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Speaker 8 We appear to have on a fired-up Monday genuine sports disagreement between Zaslow and Greg Cody. The Dolphins won.
Their coach went for it on fourth and short, fourth and goal, very short,

Speaker 8 tie game.

Speaker 8 Two minutes left in the game, went for a touchdown and failed to get the touchdown. Greg Cody, your thoughts?

Speaker 9 It was a lame-brain decision by him.

Speaker 9 We can look back on it now and retrofit it and say, ah, he had faith in his team. They won anyway.
They won. They got lucky in overtime.
They won because Jack Jones had a pick

Speaker 9 on the only terrible pass Mariota threw all day. In that situation, you go for the win.
It's late in regulation. The other team has no timeouts left.

Speaker 9 You go for the 16-13 win in regulation, and that was a long fourth and two.

Speaker 3 That was not fourth and inch.

Speaker 10 Oh, a long two.

Speaker 9 That was a fourth and two legit. And then the play they call is their backup running back plowing right into the middle of the line and being tackled by a 5,000-pound defensive tackle.

Speaker 11 What if it was a normal two yards? Not a long two yards.

Speaker 9 It was a long two yards. That matters.

Speaker 3 There's a such thing as a long two, by the way. Because

Speaker 13 when you look at the field, sometimes they put that ball a little bit closer to the three-yard line than the two-yard line.

Speaker 8 That sounds like if it's close to the three, you round up and say it's three, don't you? That's not a long two anymore.

Speaker 3 If it's a long two, no,

Speaker 8 I think it's a long two if it's right in the middle. I think if it's close to two and a half is when it's a long two.
I think if it's over two and a half, you say it's three. Do you know?

Speaker 9 Technically, though, it's two because they always go in.

Speaker 8 Sasla, what are your thoughts here?

Speaker 6 I think that

Speaker 6 two and three years ago, if Mike McDaniel was doing that, we are all like, yes, he's different.

Speaker 6 Super aggressive team. He's an offensive guy.

Speaker 15 Of course, he's going to go for it.

Speaker 3 Two years ago, or a short time he was going when he started to appoint a long two years ago.

Speaker 6 It feels like that.

Speaker 3 Yes, we'd have been okay with that.

Speaker 6 But now, and look, I've done this as well, where it's the thing to do is to be super critical of everything Mike McDaniel does because the way he looks and the way he sounds, the way he talks.

Speaker 6 And now it's not so fun that he goes to that play. I think we'd have looked at it totally different a long two years ago.

Speaker 9 No, I mean

Speaker 9 in that situation, I don't care what the analytics say. I don't care what the percentages are.

Speaker 8 Why don't you care what the analytics say and what the percentages say because they say you're wrong.

Speaker 9 I know logic.

Speaker 16 What decade are you talking?

Speaker 10 You're talking about the night in the 90s? Your take would smack.

Speaker 3 The game's not the same.

Speaker 8 A long two decades ago.

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 9 They have a chance. to take the lead late in regulation.
They blow it. They get lucky in overtime.
If they had lost that game in overtime, all of us, including that guy, would be vilifying.

Speaker 6 What the record show is pointing at me.

Speaker 9 McDaniel right now. Vilifying McDaniel.

Speaker 8 They did point at him with a vigorous, fat, sniffed notage finger. It's been noted.
The record noted.

Speaker 3 It doesn't even point it. It was like emphasis.

Speaker 9 Look, the Dolphins saved. McDaniel from embarrassment.
They saved him from himself. He made a bad decision that backfired and then got immensely lucky for it.

Speaker 2 If Dan Campbell does it, you're like, yep, good call.

Speaker 9 No, I don't. I go, why didn't you kick the the field goal, deep cap eater?

Speaker 11 The Lions last night went for it like 14 times, like fourth and six.

Speaker 3 Like, they don't give a shit.

Speaker 9 How'd that work out for him?

Speaker 3 They got robbed. That's another story.

Speaker 9 I mean, you go. Are you trying to win or are you trying to be ballsy? Mike McDaniel wants to show he's got balls the size of grapefruit.

Speaker 3 So he's trying to win the game on fourth and a long, too. No, he's trying to win the game.

Speaker 15 He was trying to win the game.

Speaker 8 All right, we'll continue this in a second. Settle down.

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Speaker 8 We will get to the microscopic dissection of the end of regulation in Spain, a truly dreadful beginning to my Sunday.

Speaker 8 Just horrific football being played by both of those teams as Zaszlo and Cody genuinely disagree about what Mike McDaniel did.

Speaker 8 Obviously, two bad football teams. How do I know? Because on fourth and short, one gets a delay of game and has to kick a field goal.

Speaker 8 And on fourth and short, another one, when it's going for it, gets a false start. And I'm like, get out of here.
Send it to Spain and stay there. Just don't come back.
Don't take the flight back.

Speaker 8 The best play of that game was Mariota avoiding a safety. That's the best play.
That was the best play in that football game.

Speaker 8 But because we love to dissect what the coaches do, I want to examine Zaszlo and Greg Cody's disagreement here because what Mike McDaniel did in a tie game at the end of regulation, going for it fourth in goal instead of kicking the field goal, which is basically what every coach would have done that we've ever watched, would have kicked the field goal.

Speaker 8 Only two since 2000 have ever done what McDaniel did. McDaniel was the second.
So in 25 years, McDaniel is the first to go for it in that situation.

Speaker 8 Cody says, I don't care what the analytics say, the analytics say you get a 3.5 better percentage chance to win the game by going for the touchdown there.

Speaker 8 Because even if you fail, fail, you're leaving them at the one yard line with no timeouts. It's going to be very difficult for them to get out of that situation.
But the mathematics say that.

Speaker 8 The thing that I wanted to ask you guys, though, about it, because I thought the announcers were really bad at the end of that game.

Speaker 3 Really bad.

Speaker 8 First of all, they didn't talk about A-chan going out of bounds at the six-yard line, which he should not have done. Like A-chan has to stay in bounds there.

Speaker 15 Has to.

Speaker 1 That was what was going to cost them the game.

Speaker 8 No, but it just, he has to know the game situation there. The announcers don't even mention it.
He gets the first down. The announcers don't even mention it.

Speaker 8 But the announcers also have to know, in the modern age, that's a good assignment. To get the Madrid game, a lot of money being spent to send everybody to Madrid.

Speaker 8 Those people need to know that the percentage of chance going for it is better at 3.5%. They need to tell the audience to make everyone back off.

Speaker 8 It can't just be anymore some offensive lineman in the booth saying, I think I'd show guts here and go for it. Give me what the math is.

Speaker 9 Well, and also give me what the trend is, which is that he's only the second guy in 25 years to take that risk, that unnecessary risk.

Speaker 8 You need the researchers to give you that information. It's why they're there.
It's why they're flown to Madrid.

Speaker 6 Well, I don't know if you could have gotten that stat right there in that spot. That is just the second time in 25 years.

Speaker 6 But certainly the former, the percentages going forward kicking, that they probably shouldn't have had.

Speaker 8 McDaniel knows what the percentages are. He's playing the percentages.
He is a math guy.

Speaker 8 He is absolutely doing there what is the correct play.

Speaker 6 But it's also, it's not just the percentages there.

Speaker 6 It's, all right and this is why i i believe mcdaniel made the right move where the game is different than what it was 10 years ago i hell i've been talking about this recently here where the kickers are so good these days that it's taken a lot of the excitement out of the game where team gets the ball a minute to go can they drive and get to field goal range well yeah they can like because these guys are kicking 60 yard field goals and it takes away a lot of the excitement.

Speaker 6 It's just two plays and he's in field goal range. That's essentially what Mike McDaniel was considering yesterday.

Speaker 6 If he kicks the field goal there, and it was just under two minutes left, which is an eternity now in today's NFL, and the Dolphins go up three, kick off, you get the ball to 30, you're 30 yards away.

Speaker 3 You're 30 yards away from time to time.

Speaker 8 Let me ask you this question, Greg, because

Speaker 8 I really do like, okay, the advancements in football that make these coaches less coward, more math.

Speaker 8 I like what it is when I'm on offense almost absolutely, with very few exceptions if I'm on offense on fourth and two I almost always want to go for that and if I'm the defense I almost always want the kicker on the field in that situation if I'm a fan of the defensive team and the other team has the ball on fourth and one or fourth and two I always want them to send the if I'm on defense I always want them to send the kicker out on the field because one and two yards they're so precise now that they just take a tight end and they they do a little play action and they just throw one of these rollout passes with such accuracy.

Speaker 8 I know a couple of fourth and shorts got stopped yesterday. I know the Lions were terrible on fourth and short.
That's the best defensive game I've seen the Eagles play during the championship run.

Speaker 8 That's the worst Lions offensive game I've seen

Speaker 8 throughout their season being good. So I know when a team fails on fourth and short, it always brings this criticism.

Speaker 8 But would you agree with me that if you're a fan of the defensive team, you always want to see the kicker run out onto the field on fourth and one and fourth and two?

Speaker 9 What I agree with is that fourth and two means go for it most of the time, situationally, most of the time.

Speaker 9 If my own team, it's the middle of the second quarter, my team is fourth and two from its own 42, I'm like, yeah, go for it. In this case, you take the three-point lead, and here's why.

Speaker 9 I don't know if you guys have noticed, Miami's defense has been pretty good the last three or four games. Pretty damn good, as it was in Madrid.

Speaker 9 If you're you're Mike McDaniel, you give your team a 16-13 lead, less than two minutes left, other team has no timeouts, and you trust your defense to not let them drive 70, 60 yards for a tying field goal.

Speaker 9 I trust my defense.

Speaker 3 No, but it would have been

Speaker 3 30 yards.

Speaker 10 Why would you trust that defense?

Speaker 9 The Dolphins' defense has been pretty good the last few games.

Speaker 6 No, but your argument there, trust them to not allow 60 or 70 yards, is literally what Mike McDaniel did by saying, if we don't get a touchdown here, I trust my defense not to give up 60 yards and a potential game-tying kick.

Speaker 6 Now, the irony is that is exactly what happened. They ended up missing the kick, but like your argument there is literally what Mike McDaniel was banking on.

Speaker 9 You would agree that the Dolphins got lucky with that pick

Speaker 9 on the first play. I mean, it's a play.

Speaker 8 They made a play. They made a play.

Speaker 9 Okay, Mariotta had had a good game. He made his only bad play of the game to begin overtime.
That's luck that bailed out.

Speaker 9 Would you also agree that if the Dolphins end up losing that game in OT, Mike McDaniel is being vilified this morning?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 8 that I'd agreed with, but fans are noisy and they are.

Speaker 3 I'm not talking about fans. I'm talking about everybody.

Speaker 14 They're math averse.

Speaker 12 Greg, the thing is, every interception, every foam, every turnover is luck, right? Just depending on if the ball's bobbled up this way, if you cut off the pass that way, if you

Speaker 12 get a hand on the football, like turnovers are lucky in just the general sense.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but this is a Dolphin defense that has had like three interceptions all season.

Speaker 9 I mean, you don't expect that, especially out of Jack Jones, who would not be a starting cornerback on any team in the league.

Speaker 3 Well, that's another thing.

Speaker 8 There are so many players on that field because all of these teams are broken.

Speaker 8 There are so many players on that field at this point in the season that are just practice squad elevations that happen to be wearing professional uniforms.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's not a real player.

Speaker 3 I mean, if you don't mind, I'd like to move away from the microanalyzation of Commanders Dolphins and talk about like more interesting stuff, which is like Stephen Ross talking about, well, the reports are Stephen Ross is looking for reasons to bring back Tua and Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 3 And you have a team that's fighting for a head coach. We thought this team was done and dusted, and yet you still don't want this quarterback speaking in front of a microphone.
That stuff. Why?

Speaker 3 What does he say weird things? He says weird things.

Speaker 8 All right, let's play the sound of him saying that,

Speaker 8 good Lord Jesus, he wants to play in the middle of the day. Well, that's what it's about.

Speaker 8 That's the joke I was making. He wants to play in Jerusalem.

Speaker 3 It's not just that. It's a weird thing to say.
He was asked about international series, and he's like, let's go to Hawaii.

Speaker 15 He was asked, where else should the league take games?

Speaker 6 Well, I think he said, where else in Europe, right?

Speaker 3 Watch.

Speaker 17 He's just asked in general.

Speaker 10 It's like a blanket statement, but then he specifies because he says something like, let's listen. Hawaii.

Speaker 19 So the United States again, but let's

Speaker 19 go play in Hawaii. I think that'd be pretty cool.
But in Europe,

Speaker 19 shoot, it'd be pretty cool to...

Speaker 19 to go play in Jerusalem.

Speaker 16 Not in Europe.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 19 That'd be sick.

Speaker 8 Anyway, the Dolphins have the following situation.

Speaker 8 I actually understand, I don't know how you guys feel about this, but when you talk about what they're doing for next season, given the contract situation of their quarterback and given that this draft doesn't have a surefire quarterback that you want to lose for, I understand putting a bandage on it for a year and saying, McDaniel to let's see if Tyreek Hill can get some value back and just putting a bandage on it for a year because you don't actually want the leadership void of let's blow the entire thing up and start over from ground zero that was a good answer though i mean wasn't at all worried about his brain whatsoever hearing him speak like that and smile like that his teeth do look great uh zaslow is done with the unwatchability of two dan just

Speaker 3 unwatchable the number of screen passes the number of throw the ball backwards it sounds like you guys watched i didn't because it was commander's Dolphins and I've seen this Dolphin team the entire time.

Speaker 3 I just kind of want to move this thing along here. I'm a little annoyed that they won because now you're like, oh, should we or shouldn't we?

Speaker 3 Some people, Stephen Ross being one of them, just come on, let's get this thing away.

Speaker 10 He got chased down by like a 350-pound line.

Speaker 8 When he was all by himself, just throw the ball away.

Speaker 6 Here's the thing with Tua.

Speaker 6 I've never seen a more immobile quarterback. And my entire childhood was Dan Marino.

Speaker 6 Like Mourino, at least he'll step up into the pocket.

Speaker 15 He avoids

Speaker 6 the sack. I mean, Marino was a statue there.
Mourino is more mobile than Tua was. And with Tua now.

Speaker 8 Marino, after the Achilles tear, you have Mourino be

Speaker 3 in the big boom. Oh, the Nike Town boom.

Speaker 6 Wearing the entire leg brace. All right, you know, look like a robot.

Speaker 15 Mourinho was more mobile than Tua is.

Speaker 6 Tua now, if there's any kind of pressure coming on a play, if Tua does not find a receiver on his very first and immediate immediate read, the play is completely screwed.

Speaker 6 He has no awareness in the pocket. He has zero ability to escape anyone, and he has zero improvisational skills.
He is brutal.

Speaker 6 The fact that if a quarterback does not hit their very first option on a play, and that's what you meaning that the play is screwed if he doesn't, and that's what you're relying on to win you games, it's impossible.

Speaker 12 That was the issue with the Mike McDaniel offense, right?

Speaker 15 It was like, oh, this offense is amazing.

Speaker 12 They're scoring all these points.

Speaker 15 Everything is so fast.

Speaker 13 But they're like, oh, what if we just take away the first read?

Speaker 12 And then they just develop.

Speaker 14 Oh, wait a second.

Speaker 13 Tua can't scan the field. He's too worried about getting hit.

Speaker 3 He can't worry about a money pocket game. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute. Okay.

Speaker 8 I will say that when they were at their healthiest and speediest, he was going one, two, three through the reads.

Speaker 3 What's happening now with Waddle as the only option, okay?

Speaker 8 An assortment of tight ends you've never heard of and don't want on the field. With Waddle as the only option, what it is is Waddle's my first trade.

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Speaker 3 Don Lebatard. All right, we got to go back out there.
That was big.

Speaker 2 Wake him up.

Speaker 19 Uh-oh.

Speaker 8 He doesn't want to be bothered anymore. Now it's getting tense because he didn't need that as a result.
He needs something that happens.

Speaker 3 You can see him motherfucking. He says,

Speaker 9 are we bothering you right now?

Speaker 8 Turn on your microphone, Greg.

Speaker 3 My microphone's on. Stugats.

Speaker 9 Paint the scene. Paint the scene is I got to go to work.

Speaker 3 Good night.

Speaker 18 This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 8 But since you mentioned

Speaker 8 Dan Marino, and I can't believe that Zaz is saying that Tua is less mobile than Dan Marino. I can't believe I'm right.
I can't believe that you're saying he's less mobile than Bernie Kozar.

Speaker 8 Bernie Kozar now.

Speaker 8 I can't believe that you're saying that Tua is lacking that kind of mobility. I think it's an exaggeration.
But when you talk about Dan Marino, they brought him out in Madrid. And

Speaker 8 he has some trouble with the chant. Chris Cody is alleging that Dan Marino has never done or heard a simple, let's go, Dolphins.

Speaker 8 let's go dolphins

Speaker 3 good on the crowd they stayed with him but it's just so awkward ones who weren't booing kind of like when he did the drum at the panther he's just odd

Speaker 9 well he's bad in public Yeah, he does not lead the league in public appearances. There was a shot of him next to Zach Thomas doing the whole ceremonial coin flip thing.

Speaker 9 He looked like he wanted to be anywhere on the face of the earth besides where he was.

Speaker 8 You guys are saying the crowd was good. That's a crowd that doesn't speak English.

Speaker 3 That's just the fans that travel.

Speaker 6 Maybe he figures the Let's Go Dolphins chant that's kind of outdated.

Speaker 2 He's trying to switch it up a little bit.

Speaker 3 Let's go

Speaker 3 That's triggering.

Speaker 8 That feels a bit death metallic.

Speaker 3 Like haunting.

Speaker 3 It is. Like in my dreams, I'm like, where is he?

Speaker 3 Where's Dan Marino? I smell him, though.

Speaker 3 It does give me a little bit of anxiety hearing him do that because that's not the way that it's supposed to go.

Speaker 3 And it reminded me of another South Florida legend trying to do a chant that left me feeling some type of way. Bobby.

Speaker 3 Bobby.

Speaker 3 That's Barkov trying to celebrate Bobrovsky. Ah,

Speaker 8 all right, pair them together.

Speaker 3 Let's see who's worse. What's wrong with people, Dan?

Speaker 8 Haunting is a good.

Speaker 15 Dan, think about this for a second. Okay, you're at the Pirates of the Caribbean.
It's dark.

Speaker 3 All of a sudden, all of a sudden, this echoes from the pirate ship.

Speaker 3 That's going to be Philly. It's the fog rolls, and you're like, where am I?

Speaker 3 Great astute observation.

Speaker 8 That is absolutely in Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein

Speaker 8 behind the ship when he's coming out of the sea.

Speaker 3 Victor! It is Frankfurt. Bobby!

Speaker 3 Victor!

Speaker 3 Bobby!

Speaker 3 Victor!

Speaker 3 Bobby!

Speaker 8 See, Barkopps is not haunting that!

Speaker 3 Barkov!

Speaker 8 Barkovs makes me happy.

Speaker 3 It's playful. Bobby.

Speaker 8 It's the way that you're in a bounce house with children and you chase them around.

Speaker 3 Bobby.

Speaker 3 What's wrong with these guys, man? At least Barkov, you know, this is not his first language. Bobby.

Speaker 8 I mean, if you've heard Dan Marino in front of microphones, like, it wouldn't feel like his first language.

Speaker 8 One of the great surprises of my entire lifetime is as long as Dan Marino lasted on that CBS pregame show because they hired him in the first place and he spent how many years doing that because he was always notoriously bad talking in front of people.

Speaker 8 Hated doing it and was boring on purpose.

Speaker 9 And yet he was a great quarterback, so we never criticize that where we're criticized too about everything, so we criticize him for everything, for mentioning Jesus, for making jokes that don't work, for not being as glib and as eloquent as we want.

Speaker 8 no one here is no one here is criticizing him for mentioning jesus

Speaker 8 we were criticizing i don't think he mentioned jesus at all putting jerusalem and

Speaker 8 putting a football game in jerusalem and in europe that's what we're doing well let me just

Speaker 9 i i need to to defend tua here okay i'm the

Speaker 3 feel free to do so in front of the microphone i hate to always be the vor

Speaker 9 but if you're looking for reasons to criticize tua after yesterday's game you're looking for reasons to criticize tua he's He's been pretty terrible this year, led the league in interceptions with 13.

Speaker 9 He had a clean game. He played an efficient game.
You know what he recognized? You know what the game plan recognized?

Speaker 9 Devon Achan is the best player on the field other than Jordan Brooks on defense, who had 20 tackles. Another reason why you trust your defense with a 16-13 lead late in the game.

Speaker 8 Greg, I don't trust that defense. Like, I really don't understand what you're doing with that defense.
That defense has not been trustworthy.

Speaker 8 Like, you can say they've been decent the last few games, but that's not a trustworthy defense. And what Zaslow's saying late in that game, you have noticed this change, right, with the kickoffs.

Speaker 8 If they start at their 35-yard line, they get one first down, all of a sudden you're kicking a 57-yard field goal because every game in the sport, every game in the sport has a 57-yard field goal.

Speaker 8 I've got that one of the strangest things to watch in football in terms of the evolution is the number of teams that get inside of 60 yards and then just hand the ball off up the middle because they they feel good about where they are on the field inside of the inside of a 60-yard field goal.

Speaker 8 That is something in my lifetime. Anything beyond 50 yards in my lifetime outside of the last five years has been a field goal that you don't want to be taking.

Speaker 8 Now it's a totally normal thing for kickers all over the league to be making 50 yard field goals.

Speaker 9 You know who's behind me in advocating my opinion? 99.9% of all NFL head coaches over the last quarter century. There's just no excuses.

Speaker 6 No, but the game changed over 25 years.

Speaker 9 The game is no different than it was three years ago or five years ago.

Speaker 6 But then don't use a 25 years as

Speaker 8 it is different.

Speaker 8 I gave the stat last week that the Bears and Giants went for it on fourth town five times in the first half.

Speaker 3 It's totally different. It's totally different.

Speaker 8 All of these teams are going for it all over the place on fourth and short. Nobody, nobody anymore.

Speaker 8 doesn't go for it on fourth and short. There's not a coach in the league that you think of as Dave Wonstedt, notoriously scared on fourth and short.

Speaker 9 I agree, but again, you have to think situationally. One of the exceptions is fourth on a long two.
When you have a gimme, you have a one-foot putt for

Speaker 9 what should be a winning field goal. You take those points in a game where points are tough to come by.

Speaker 6 By the way, when we're talking about trusting your defense in that spot, give them a three-point lead, trust the defense the end.

Speaker 6 They didn't get the conversion, and the defense then literally allowed 60 yards with the opportunity to kick the game winning field goal.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 6 you want them to trust the defense there, and the defense gave it up in a major way. Now, granted, the benefit of hindsight, but still, like, they gave it up still.

Speaker 1 Let me throw another something at you. How about a modern twist on a doorbell where Amazon driver gets there, walks up to your door, and you hear this?

Speaker 3 Let's go, dunbo!

Speaker 17 Does kind of have the sing-song-you know,

Speaker 3 I would have a different doorbell, though.

Speaker 17 Ooh, that one is nice.

Speaker 3 That's when they hold it a little bit longer. You know what I mean? So is it a quick one?

Speaker 8 Let's conjure other situations where you might be scared. You've come down the stairs at midnight because you've heard a bump in the house.

Speaker 3 It is

Speaker 8 also scary in that situation.

Speaker 3 That's the Halloween version.

Speaker 8 That became decidedly less happy. All All of a sudden, now I've got a crazy stranger.

Speaker 3 No, that's not the one I was looking for, though.

Speaker 8 I've come down the stairs the way Tony does when something in his garage falls off of the wall.

Speaker 8 Haunting is the exact way to describe that.

Speaker 3 It's gravelly. It is.

Speaker 8 Also, it doesn't sound at all like Dan Marino.

Speaker 8 If I didn't give you any context and told, and said, hey, who is this?

Speaker 8 It would take you a thousand guesses before any of you said it would be Dan Marino but let's switch subjects here because I too am am tired of talking about an epically bad football game that now puts the Miami Dolphins more in the playoff hunt than they were at four and seven was that Ed Orseron

Speaker 8 it sounds like a thick man like if I asked you if I didn't tell you anything and said describe this person visually you're saying this person is more square than stick. Let's go down.

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Speaker 8 This is a headline from The Athletic, and I say it only to enrage Mike Ryan. Notre Dame closing in.

Speaker 8 Miami shut out, question mark.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this is bullshit. It's bullshit.
And the charmed existence of a Notre Dame fan right now is insane to me. Okay, Miami's doing what the committee asks.
Be more consistent. Look better on offense.

Speaker 3 For all the talk about offense, Miami's offense is a lot better than some of the teams that's around them.

Speaker 3 In fact, Miami, Miami, I think statistically right now, is in line to have its second-best offense over the last 20 years. Miami looked thoroughly dominant on Saturday.

Speaker 3 You could say that's who Miami is. And mid-season hiccup, that's who Miami is.
They're closing the season in style. NC State didn't cross the 50 until the fourth quarter.

Speaker 21 And they have a good offense.

Speaker 3 Yes, the ACC's leading rusher had negative two yards.

Speaker 6 And NCC beat Georgia Tech last week.

Speaker 9 Yes, and they beat Georgia Tech and Virginia. Yeah.
North Carolina State State had been the ACC coach.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they beat Georgia Tech two weeks ago. That was NC State coming off a buy.
NC State's got talent on offense. I like their quarterback.
Their quarterback does have a live arm.

Speaker 3 He looked like he was floating balls because Miami's defense was playing that fast. Miami's defense is unbelievable.
But

Speaker 3 I realize this is bullshit over the weekend. Why am I living and dying watching Clemson run full-back dives, fumbling at the goal line twice, not enjoying my Friday night?

Speaker 3 Well, Notre Dame just gets to beat up on Navy and Pitt with coaches saying, this game doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 Are we really going to entertain this? Are we really going to take this down the line?

Speaker 3 I know what you're doing. You're putting Vanderbilt there.
You're putting Utah there ahead of Miami. BYU, I'm fine with for now.

Speaker 3 You're putting them there so you don't have them bunched up together, so you don't actually have to have this conversation about a head-to-head matchup. Let's put that to the side.

Speaker 3 What will see tomorrow night the rankings come out? Everyone's talking about how Notre Dame is a bona fide playoff team. No doubt about it.
No discourse about it. Miami is the exact same way.

Speaker 3 If Miami gets shut out, Notre Dame better be shut out because head-to-head has to matter.

Speaker 3 Why would anybody schedule a non-conference opponent of any consequence if you're not going to get credit for when you beat that team directly?

Speaker 8 Well, but I don't blame you, even though Navy beat my beloved South Florida Bulls.

Speaker 8 I don't blame you for being upset about part of this, but you can't wave around a victory over NC State, which has five wins, one of them over Campbell, and then just dismiss the way Notre Dame beat Pitt because that's a game, that's the scariest game left on Miami's regular season schedule is Pitt.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 you can't just dismiss Pitt while praising NC State.

Speaker 3 I'm not dismissing it. I'm contextualizing it by saying the coach, quote, I'd be happy, I'd be glad if we lose 110 to 3.

Speaker 3 Contextualizing it. And they came out flat and they came out like they didn't give a shit about that game because it doesn't actually matter when it comes to pit season.

Speaker 3 And that's the the benefit of not having to play in a conference for Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a good team.
I believe Notre Dame deserves to be in the college football playoff. Don't get it twisted.

Speaker 3 Notre Dame is good. Miami beat that very good team.
If Notre Dame is in the playoffs, Miami better be in the playoffs too, ahead.

Speaker 15 of Notre Dame too.

Speaker 3 This isn't, oh, just come in here. Miami should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame because they both played.

Speaker 8 I'd be almost willing to guarantee you that if Miami wins the rest of its games, it will get into the postseason just because this college football season is so batshit insane where everyone is losing.

Speaker 8 And I look up at halftime on Saturday and can't believe that Texas AM is down 30-3 at home to South Carolina.

Speaker 3 I hear you. I think that there's two weeks left in November, notoriously crazy for college football.
Miami might get the help. Hell, it might get the help it needs in its own conference.

Speaker 3 And that would go a long way to helping Miami's chances. What I'm saying is that concept right there is bullshit.
Miami shouldn't be in the discussion right now as needing help.

Speaker 3 That should be a conversation for Notre Dame. Notre Dame should be the team that is chasing Miami.

Speaker 3 This whole charmed existence of not having to sweat over this final month of the season when you're the guys that lost here in a game that Miami controlled, in a game that looked a lot closer than it should have.

Speaker 3 Okay,

Speaker 6 I feel like what you're doing here is a little bit like when the NBA all-stars are released and you're like, this guy should be an all-star, all right?

Speaker 6 But you're not giving us who shouldn't be an all-star, whose place he should take. So you think Notre Dame is a playoff team and you also think Miami is because you think Miami should be above them.

Speaker 6 Okay,

Speaker 6 who that's in the picture right now should be out then?

Speaker 3 Well, the teams that are directly ahead of Miami.

Speaker 6 So you're good with BYU, you said.

Speaker 3 I'm good with BYU. They have a tough game against Cincinnati.
BYU has an opportunity to lose another game here, and then that's a different discussion. So who should Miami be ahead of then?

Speaker 3 They should be ahead of Utah and they should be ahead of Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt somehow climbed on a bye week in the AP.

Speaker 6 Okay, that's fine. So then Miami, you think, should be 12, which still has them out of the playoffs.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I understand. Within striking distance, and then you have two games to win in style and show the committee that you are indeed a playoff team.
And if you're 12, then you're closer to Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 And then Notre Dame should be the one that's sweating it on the final week of the season. Because Miami beat Notre Dame.
Miami scheduled Notre Dame. Miami beat Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 I shouldn't be sweating like this. I am a madman.
I am not enjoying enjoying myself right now.

Speaker 3 And I should be enjoying myself because a couple of weeks ago, we beat their ass at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 21 We dominated that game. We controlled that game and we got a victory.

Speaker 3 A victory should matter. Don't come to me and say, well, look at what Notre Dame looks like right now.
If those two teams played, who would be favored? I don't know. My guess is Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 Guess who was favored the last time they played? Notre Dame. What happened? Miami controlled the game.

Speaker 9 Took that ass ass. I agree that if

Speaker 9 the Kanes win out and finish 10-2, they're going to make the CFP, I think, and should. But let's not lose.

Speaker 3 You guys sound like homers, though. I'm not the homer.

Speaker 3 Do you guys know the national narrative?

Speaker 15 Do you guys know the odds?

Speaker 3 I've heard the odds.

Speaker 3 You're talking about how we're going to be in the CFP if we win out.

Speaker 3 I listen to all these national podcasts. We're an afterthought.
Alabama's in good shape. Kirk Herbstreet went on television and said a three-loss Texas should be in consideration for an at-large.

Speaker 22 A three-loss Texas that lost to Florida that we dominated.

Speaker 9 Okay, but let's not lose track of the fact that UM did this to itself. At one point, they're 5-0 and number 2 in the country.

Speaker 9 They lose a game that they shouldn't have lost to Louisville, which wasn't even that close. It wasn't as close as the final score.

Speaker 3 They had spanked. I think the SMU game is worse.

Speaker 3 You're always going to lose games. You're not going to go undefeated.
Yes, I hear you. Miami's lost two games on the last play of the game.
And at least SMU is a road game.

Speaker 3 We're really going to go 21-4 over the last two years and not have a playoff to show for it.

Speaker 3 This is insane to me.

Speaker 8 I have a way for you to enjoy yourself, though. I'm going to tickle you some.
You say you're not enjoying yourself. How about some of this?

Speaker 3 Bobby. It does help.
Bobby. It does.
I know what to do. Bobby.

Speaker 3 Look,

Speaker 3 I still am worried about Miami going 2-0. But like, let that be the gambit.
Miami has to go 2-0 here. Miami doesn't handle business in November.

Speaker 3 It's why last year they missed the college football playoff. But I listen to what the committee says.
I listen to what the committee says Miami needs to do.

Speaker 3 And Miami has done that for the last two weeks. This looks like a different Miami team.
On offense,

Speaker 3 they look dynamic. They don't look predictable anymore.

Speaker 3 It's a damn shame if we look back on the season and say the staff got in its own way because a fan base was screaming about how obvious your tendencies were.

Speaker 3 And SMU won a game that they shouldn't have

Speaker 3 beat you in.

Speaker 6 Oklahoma winning this weekend really hurts.

Speaker 3 Oklahoma has a good resume. That really hurts.
Oklahoma has a good resume. Yeah, it's no, but it could have been over for them.

Speaker 6 They would have been done. And instead, they're going to get in.

Speaker 8 They're so outplayed in the game.

Speaker 15 It takes a spot from the Alabama. I can't believe that.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 15 here's another thing that bothers me.

Speaker 3 I understand Alabama's reputation and Miami's reputation. They have a common opponent.
It went totally different ways. We want to talk good losses, bad losses, quality wins.
FSU got embarrassed.

Speaker 3 FSU embarrassed Alabama. Miami played FSU.
That is a bottom feeder in the ACC.

Speaker 3 For all the SEC narrative that we have there, why doesn't that stick? Alabama lost.

Speaker 3 You know, Miami was the first game.

Speaker 8 You know the answer to your question, though. There are going to be six SEC teams in the tournament, no matter how bad the SEC is.

Speaker 3 But that's bullshit.

Speaker 3 It's bullshit.

Speaker 3 They're beating each other up and they're getting credit for depth, where Miami doesn't get credit for depth, even though the SMU team that they played has only lost one regular season conference game since joining the conference.

Speaker 3 The Louisville loss, like these are not bad teams. Notre Dame played Louisville last year.
Notre Dame was in a one-score game at home against Louisville last year.

Speaker 3 Notre Dame and several CFP teams could go to SMU and not win that game.

Speaker 14 These are not bad losses.

Speaker 3 They're bad losses in that Miami kind of beat themself.

Speaker 13 in it and that's really frustrating.

Speaker 3 But if for all this, it's not how you start, it's how you finish, talk.

Speaker 3 Well, Miami's on halfway to finishing pretty damn good because that team on Saturday looks like it definitely deserves to be in the field.

Speaker 21 Definitely.

Speaker 9 Right, but

Speaker 9 if they're going to finish 11 and 1 instead of 10 and 2, we're not even having this conversation.

Speaker 3 I can't reverse the loss. I can provide context and say Miami has done everything that it needs to do.

Speaker 9 Except win one additional game.

Speaker 3 It is nonsense that we have to have this conversation and I have to fight for my life and find the propaganda when Notre Dame lost to Miami.

Speaker 3 They're sitting at the same exact record and they don't have these conversations. Every talking head is like, yeah, total playoff team right there.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's just because their two losses are to Texas AM and Miami by four points.

Speaker 3 But that matters. But you said their losses are to Texas AM and Miami.
Miami played them head to head.

Speaker 3 They beat them.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but

Speaker 8 they're less worse losses.

Speaker 3 Less worse. Why are you talking?

Speaker 3 They are less worse losses. How is it not a terrible loss when you're in direct comparison to another team in the CFP? If you lose to that team, that's a bad loss.

Speaker 8 Losing by, Mike, there's no dispute to what I'm about to say, which is losing to Texas A ⁇ M and Miami by four points is more impressive than losing to SMU and Louisville by more than that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, by like three more points than that.

Speaker 3 Miami's loss on the last one.

Speaker 6 Even if it were the same amount of points, it's still more impressive.

Speaker 3 Okay, but

Speaker 8 we're we're going to keep tickling you.

Speaker 3 I've got some other things. We're talking about how the loss to Miami looks good, and you're just totally bypassing the loss.
I'm going to

Speaker 8 try and cheer you up. How about Ed Orgeron as a pirate in AI haunting you with Dan Marino's chanting?

Speaker 8 Tell me if that works. That's pretty good right there.

Speaker 3 Ed Orgeron.

Speaker 12 I see the old galleon in the back, Dano.

Speaker 8 And now, in order to cheer you up, I'm going to pull out the best card I've got. I've been working on it for an entire week.
Yes, me and Chat GPT. It is the Dolphins logo replaced by an old man's ass.

Speaker 17 Oh, now that's an old man's ass.

Speaker 3 That's an old man's ass.

Speaker 1 Is that Greg Cody?

Speaker 9 I would not have known that. My ass is better than that.

Speaker 3 That's a ball sack, guys. That's better not be what I love.

Speaker 3 That looks like a brain. That is a ball sack.

Speaker 9 I thought it was a brain.

Speaker 23 The Miami Dolphins should name their team the Miami ass and change their logo to an ass. Not a nice ass, like an old man's ass.

Speaker 8 I worked on that all weekend and i i i appreciate more wrinkles that you guys sending it back

Speaker 3 no one no one said these look like a pair of testicles no one said you add more wrinkles it looks like bul sack no one said that i was working on it very hard all week see the original oh wow yeah

Speaker 3 that is not what we could have used more wrinkles what we want that's what mine looks like hey yo that is not what your ass look dude good for you zaslow zaslow i'm assuming that when you walk nude through your your house,

Speaker 8 wearing sneakers or flip-flops, that that is not what you're at.

Speaker 1 I bet it looks more like the nice one than the old one.

Speaker 6 Dan nailed it, though. That is how I walked through my house naked, but just with my sneakers on.

Speaker 3 Saslo.

Speaker 3 Look how pleased he is with himself. It had to be said.

Speaker 9 It had to be said.

Speaker 3 Good one. Never heard it.
Thank you.

Speaker 8 Have you been hearing that one since childhood?

Speaker 8 We've got Nick Wright up next. He's got to be hurting.
The Chiefs have a worse record than that.

Speaker 3 Oh, he's got to be hurting?

Speaker 17 Jeremy embarrassed us yesterday.

Speaker 8 The Chiefs have a worse record than the Carolina Panthers,

Speaker 8 whose season is over, by the way, as I've been saying all the season.

Speaker 8 Bryce Young threw from 448 yards yesterday, left the field twice in a way that I thought he had career-ending injury. But twice, twice left the field, comes back out.

Speaker 8 What a group of losers they have in Atlanta, man.

Speaker 8 It must stink to be a Falcons fan. Bryce Young twice left that football game.
One of them on fourth and short.

Speaker 8 On fourth and short, he trips taking the snap, falls down, and I thought tore his hamstring while sliding backward trying to get off the ground. Comes back in the game, throws for 448 yards.

Speaker 8 And if not for Jacoby Brissette breaking the record for completions in a game, I would have said that's the best game I've ever seen a bad quarterback play.

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