Hour 1: Judge Pope Zaslow (feat. Jessica Smetana)

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Speaker 3 The Arkansas athletic director is still hovering over the shoulder of Mike Ryan. Jessica Smetana must be loving everything that's happening, exactly how she said it would go with Notre Dame and Miami.

Speaker 16 Should we make them promise to play nice here?

Speaker 10 Or how should we do this on Friday?

Speaker 3 No, well, first what we're going to do is play the useless sound montage, and then we're going to get to Jessica. But they don't have to promise to play nice.

Speaker 3 This is going to be Mike Ryan really pissed off, as he has been for the last few days.

Speaker 3 And I think that Jessica can dance and gloat with a victory lap because everything that's happened with Notre Dame is exactly what she said was going to happen with Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 So let's play the useless sound montage.

Speaker 17 All right, what a day.

Speaker 18 This was a rough night.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I'd never been in a city this

Speaker 21 big and this clean before. All wins are good.

Speaker 22 It's hard to go on the road to Tampa.

Speaker 21 But like I told them, man,

Speaker 19 we got beat every which way you could possibly be beat.

Speaker 23 I'm grateful to be a part of this team. I love the way that they just stay connected.
They stay together. They're never out of the fight.

Speaker 20 We had a good game plan. When you score 32 points, you're supposed to win.

Speaker 19 We were hunting up front, that's for sure. This is not a one-way street where everything is on the players.
No coaches are involved in that too.

Speaker 5 At the end of the day, it's about making plays.

Speaker 23 What a great opportunity for us to be able to learn some things offensively.

Speaker 22 We needed to do better.

Speaker 19 We got beaten every possible way. From the beginning, executed, executed.

Speaker 18 But that's life.

Speaker 26 It's good to learn.

Speaker 25 I'm excited. We're 9-2.
I'm excited that I don't have to see him until Monday.

Speaker 23 But we're never going to apologize for finding ways to be able to win.

Speaker 21 I mean, it really was kind of one of those days. I hate saying that, but it was just a little bit of one of those days.

Speaker 20 We were playing seven-on-seven football, starting from the midfield and beyond the entire game. That's tough to do in the NFL.

Speaker 3 I was really disappointed that we didn't stop him.

Speaker 23 Why would you ask me a question? Are you trying to bait me? Are you going to get me fine right there?

Speaker 18 Details and discipline.

Speaker 19 That was a box that we didn't check off today.

Speaker 18 The most important thing is, you know, just to cure the W.

Speaker 22 And fly back to L.A.

Speaker 21 You want to talk about some good bread.

Speaker 20 Anywhere I go, there's an awesome bread.

Speaker 17 Percentages.

Speaker 17 You're going to take a few and lose a few of those.

Speaker 23 And that's why I say stats are for losers.

Speaker 5 We got challenged in a lot of ways, but you're going to get challenged in the National Football League on weekends.

Speaker 20 When defense gave us a stop, you know, we turned it into points and then vice versa. If we got stopped, defense would go back and forth with that.

Speaker 5 I don't think we have any more plays left on the call sheet.

Speaker 19 We play better pissed off. Yeah, we got beat every which way you could get beat.

Speaker 5 At that point where we got to find a way just to win football games and got to keep moving forward.

Speaker 21 That's what this league's all about. You know, I didn't help those guys and I hate that.

Speaker 23 Doesn't matter what I think. I'm not the ones making the call.

Speaker 19 I thought Trevor was playing really well, especially, you know, just spitting the ball accurately.

Speaker 26 You got to be able to throw short and run long sometimes.

Speaker 20 You're trying to look at everything while also trying to focus on what you're doing. So you never try to relax.

Speaker 23 And whether we came up short and they make that field goal or whether we end up winning, there's nothing like celebrating with those guys.

Speaker 20 You don't make that decision unless, you know, I thought the play was going to work and it didn't.

Speaker 19 The guys just executed and play their tails off.

Speaker 18 We got stability at the safety position.

Speaker 26 Other than, you know, Jalen not finishing the game. Hawaii.

Speaker 20 So the United States again, but just go play in, just go play in Hawaii.

Speaker 27 I think that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 28 But in Europe, shoot, it'd be pretty cool to go play in Jerusalem.

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 20 That'd be sick.

Speaker 3 Roy, were you laughing because of Mike Tomlin speaking in poems you got to be able to throw short and run long sometimes?

Speaker 31 Yeah, yes.

Speaker 31 That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 16 Splash.

Speaker 3 He's great at little poems that say nothing. McVay's hard charging when it comes to saying little

Speaker 3 coach gibberish that doesn't mean anything. And then I'm pretty sure I heard Mike Ryan in there, did I? That was Pete Carroll.

Speaker 18 Most important thing is, you know, just to cure the W?

Speaker 3 That was not Pete Carroll.

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 13 I hear the chewing of gum.

Speaker 18 Most important thing is, you know, just to cure the W?

Speaker 10 Pete Carroll.

Speaker 3 Pregame of Monday night, I think. If last week's game for the Chiefs was a must-win against the Broncos and they lost it, what's this week's game against the Colts? Must-must-win.

Speaker 32 Double must. Season ender if they lose.

Speaker 33 Waterloo.

Speaker 3 Jessica Smitana is with us now, and there's plenty in college football to talk about.

Speaker 3 I I want to bring her in on the Lane Kiffin conversation that we were having earlier, the alleged ultimatum that he denied on the Pat McAfee show. What do you make of everything happening there?

Speaker 3 And what did you make of Mike Ryan's contention that the question, excuse me, the question that if Lane Kiffen

Speaker 3 doesn't coach during the playoff games, that the committee might consider just taking him and Mississippi out entirely the same way they did FSU when they lost a critical piece and were undefeated.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I don't know what would happen if that's the case. That's why this is so crazy because Olemas is actually in a better position this year than they were last year into getting into the playoff.

Speaker 34 That would not be the case if they had actually lost to Florida last weekend, which looked like it could happen.

Speaker 34 But it's one of those things where at first, it's like when you're in a relationship, if you have to give the other person an ultimatum, you should probably just break up.

Speaker 34 Like they've already kind of broken up with you at that point. You don't really want to get to the ultimatum route.
Obviously, his denial was noteworthy. He said that's absolutely not true.

Speaker 34 There's been no ultimatum, anything like that. And I don't know where that came from.
Like a lot of stuff out there.

Speaker 34 He then like posts, you know, his like Tumblr like poems and stuff on his Twitter account afterwards. But yeah, reportedly his family was in Gainesville and Baton Rouge last week.

Speaker 34 So that is where it's coming from. I think he knows that.

Speaker 34 And the athletic and both them and on three said there was an ultimatum. So I don't know.
You could believe Linkiffin or believe the reporting. Either way, we all know he's sniffing around.

Speaker 34 He hasn't signed an extension yet at Ole Miss. So it would not surprise anyone if he took one of these jobs

Speaker 34 as, you know, we all kind of expected when they both became open.

Speaker 35 Did you hear Kim Mulkey weigh in on the situation?

Speaker 36 No, she took all the air out of it.

Speaker 37 She was like on the Zoom leaning in like, he's meeting in Gainesville.

Speaker 34 Stop asking him.

Speaker 13 I know everybody here is so interested in Lane Kiffen.

Speaker 16 She was joking about the lack of reporters there. She guys, you guys are all on the lane beat right now.

Speaker 36 I'll do this this for you.

Speaker 38 He's in Gainesville.

Speaker 3 You mentioned, though, Jessica, who do you believe?

Speaker 10 I like her.

Speaker 29 Lane Kiffin

Speaker 29 or the reporting. You believe the reporting, right?

Speaker 34 I mean, maybe there wasn't necessarily a direct ultimatum given, but maybe...

Speaker 34 you know, maybe they're both right. Like maybe they've told him, hey, you need to make a choice about this.
Maybe they didn't give him a deadline of the egg bowl or whatever it is.

Speaker 34 But I think both can kind of be true, right? I mean, maybe we're just splitting hairs. He didn't necessarily say, I'm not looking into other jobs.
He said there's no ultimatum.

Speaker 3 Put it on the poll, please. If you have to give someone, if you have to give a person an ultimatum, should you just break up?

Speaker 3 I was asking earlier,

Speaker 3 would there be any other coach in the nation, any other coach that you wouldn't laugh at the possibility if that person doesn't coach in the playoffs, then maybe his team shouldn't be in the playoffs, even if his team deserves to be in the playoffs?

Speaker 3 Like what what Mike Ryan was suggesting there is not something I would apply to any other coach in that sport.

Speaker 34 I don't know. I mean, I don't know about all that, but I do think if he did leave the team and then they went into the playoffs and won a game, I mean, that would have to crush him, right?

Speaker 34 Like that, he, he's been wanting to be in the playoffs this whole time and for that to finally happen.

Speaker 34 Like, it's like the same reason why Brian Kelly was criticized so much when he left Cincinnati before a New Year sixth game and left Notre Dame while they were still in the conversation for the four-team playoff.

Speaker 34 Like, it would be a terrible and unprecedented thing, almost unprecedented thing to do to leave your team before a playoff. So that's why I can't really apply any sort of like precedent for it.

Speaker 3 What did you make of yesterday's made-for-television stupidity?

Speaker 34 Honestly,

Speaker 34 I don't think that Miami's necessarily out of it. I think there's still a dozen or so games left that are going to matter a lot to this.
I mean, the Oregon USC game this weekend is going to be huge.

Speaker 34 Obviously, the Iron Bowl is always, even without Hugh Freeze, I mean, maybe even because Hugh Freeze is gone is going to be a good one.

Speaker 34 We still don't know who's even going to play in the SEC championship game because there's a number of scenarios there. We don't know who's going to play in the ACC championship.

Speaker 34 There's still a backdoor way Miami gets into it. So I don't know.
My opinion since the first ranking came out was we have to just like let some of these games play out. It's possible.

Speaker 34 Notre Dame could stumble against one of their next opponents. And I don't even mean necessarily just lose, but obviously the committee will look at if they have game control.

Speaker 34 That's something that they care about a lot. Same goes for Miami.
Same goes for BYU and Utah and Vanderbilt and Alabama. So I'm not going to, I'm not counting my chickens, Dan.

Speaker 34 I'm not booking my ticket to Oklahoma for the first round playoff game against Notre Dame.

Speaker 34 But also when I came on the show two weeks ago after the first ranking, I thought Mike was going to be really mad and yell at me and he was totally defeated and was like, yeah, we played like crap and like blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 34 Miami needs to look at themselves in the mirror. And now it's like, okay, I feel like it's kind of late for all this.
Like this has been the case now for over two weeks.

Speaker 3 You can count your chickens. You can count them.

Speaker 34 I'm not counting my chickens.

Speaker 3 You can count them, though. Notre Dame can count its chickens.
What do you mean? You're playing like Syracuse. You don't have anything left.

Speaker 34 Yeah, but I think that what the committee had said last night was that if Miami and Notre Dame get closer, maybe they will factor in a head-to-head.

Speaker 34 But right now they're not in the same pod and they've ranked the teams.

Speaker 34 I know you guys have already discussed this by now, but like three at a time, they'll do, you know, or Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Alabama were the three that they were debating the order of in this ranking.

Speaker 34 It wasn't Alabama, Miami, and Notre Dame or Vanderbilt, Alabama, Notre Dame. So I think it's possible that there is some sort of upset in the middle there, and it brings the two teams closer together.

Speaker 34 I also think, like, if

Speaker 34 that is the case, then both teams should make it. I think Miami is a good football team.

Speaker 3 Jessica, another big question today regarding Notre Dame is, does Notre Dame have to kick back to the Vatican? Like, do they got a material?

Speaker 34 No, I don't think again with this.

Speaker 34 Notre Dame's comments probably.

Speaker 10 I let him go.

Speaker 33 I'm like, I'm prepared to

Speaker 17 have some discourse here, but Amin has something good here.

Speaker 3 Imagine that, guys. I try to get Jessica's answer.
She's enthusiastic and willing to give it. And what do you guys do?

Speaker 34 Talk over her allies?

Speaker 3 I think not. Okay.

Speaker 34 Thanks, Amin.

Speaker 16 I got your back.

Speaker 34 The Vatican probably, in terms of their art collection, real estate, et cetera. I think that's more valuable.

Speaker 34 But in terms of like monetary endowment funds, Notre Dame probably has close to the same amount of money as them in their endowment. I mean,

Speaker 10 I think maybe it's the other one.

Speaker 10 What?

Speaker 34 Notre Dame's got like a $13 billion.

Speaker 10 They said it like this, dude.

Speaker 17 They have a crazy endowment.

Speaker 13 The Vatican has their own city, the world.

Speaker 10 That's what I said, Tony.

Speaker 34 Did you listen to the first popularity?

Speaker 17 I've been there and Martin Lee's

Speaker 33 own city.

Speaker 32 I've been there. My point is.

Speaker 3 Okay. Okay, but if you do say it like that, it does make me believe you more when you do it with clenched teeth and sort of let some of the words sneak out between your teeth.

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Speaker 17 Mr.

Speaker 43 Mr.

Speaker 34 Shirt, if I may say for a second, Miami, they were simulating the snap count the entire game and they were clapping at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 34 And the only thing I want to see clapping are them cheeks on Mrs. Met in my face, Mike Shirt.
All right, so that's one thing.

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Speaker 34 They're a bunch of cheaters, Dan. And you know who should be cheating?

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Speaker 37 If I may jump in, I understand what they said.

Speaker 6 Somehow Notre Dame is in a different tier because of its loss to Miami than the tier that my odds are tier for beating them.

Speaker 39 We're not going to agree on Miami-Notre Dame, but they're separated by three teams.

Speaker 9 This was my issue with yesterday's television show.

Speaker 2 The chair said a bunch of things that made no sense.

Speaker 37 Three teams is not close enough to start counting head to head.

Speaker 34 Mike, if I may say, I agree with you, letting humans decide on these very complicated orderings of teams with a million variables is, I mean, there's always going to be bad choices made.

Speaker 34 We should just let the computers do it again. And by the way, the computers have Notre Dame ahead of Miami, as do the BCS right now.

Speaker 10 Right,

Speaker 35 we got away from the computers because they didn't take into account head-to-head, and that pissed us off. And now here's a committee doing the same thing.

Speaker 31 But I want to move on to some other things Hunter Yuracek said.

Speaker 6 You shouldn't be leaving one of these with more questions and more conflicts and more hypocrisies.

Speaker 31 This is something that he said basically in the same breath.

Speaker 37 He said that Oregon still gets credit for beating Penn State, even though the Nittany Lions fell off after that game.

Speaker 34 And in the same breath, he said, it hurts Virginia that Louisville fell out of the rankings that was one of their best wins this makes zero sense and it's a hell of their own design the penn state oregon thing is one of those like human calls that is difficult to really wrap your head around because penn state had not played anyone out of conference that was good before the oregon game but we watched the oregon game and penn state was toe-to-toe with them.

Speaker 34 And if you think Oregon's a good team, which I think is also up for debate, I actually think that this USC game game it might be a playoff eliminator for Oregon I don't see a way with their resume that they stay in the top 10 I guess if they lose to USC this weekend right now they're eight-point favorites at home

Speaker 34 that's because like that Penn State game really hasn't aged well but I mean I think like that one I just I don't know what you do with that Mike like I don't know what you do with that Penn State obviously completely felled down the crapper afterwards and fired James Franklin but they are a good football team statistically in some of the advanced analytics, despite the fact that they barely have a power four win.

Speaker 34 So I don't know. I think that's like totally human judgment call that I don't know what you do with it.

Speaker 6 They clearly pick and choose the advanced analytics because Miami is 40 SAG,

Speaker 6 four top 40 SAG wins, and that doesn't take into account.

Speaker 15 But I think one of the more curious things that we're talking about.

Speaker 34 Well, in fact, if you also want to look at like SAG ratings, Notre Dame is ahead of Miami in that.

Speaker 34 Yeah, look, this is all data points, and those are all really good tiebreakers, just like quality loss is a good tiebreaker in the committee's own words in the event that there isn't a head-to-head but in Miami and Notre Dame's case there is a head-to-head also if you apply the quality loss quality win logic there's no reason you should be ahead of BYU if you're Notre Dame but the thing that I can I think that the committee though is looking at the Texas AM game which was a one-point loss that Notre Dame had at home and they're just not really dinging them for it because that game came down to like a botched hold.

Speaker 10 All right. Well, I ding

Speaker 34 that's just what I think about like quality loss or whatever. I think they're seeing like that game's basically a toss-up.

Speaker 34 Like, that was a one-point game against a team that's now still undefeated and probably has a pretty good chance of making the SEC championship game as long as they beat Texas.

Speaker 35 I'm not knocking Notre Dame's playoff credentials. I think them being ahead of Alabama is the right thing.
I think Notre Dame is a playoff team.

Speaker 36 I think Notre Dame is a playoff team.

Speaker 12 No, but you think they should be ahead of Alabama?

Speaker 9 Yeah, because Alabama lost to a trash seller dweller from the ACC in Florida State.

Speaker 13 But the thing that I'm most curious by is them backlogging the top 25 with teams that can boost resumes when they don't deserve to be in there.

Speaker 6 I highlighted Arizona State, their best win,

Speaker 6 Arizona State at number 25.

Speaker 9 That represents Utah's best win.

Speaker 41 Jeff Sims was at quarterback there. Arizona State is not ranked in the AP.

Speaker 13 They are not ranked in the coaches poll.

Speaker 35 They are behind SMU and Louisville and others receiving votes there.

Speaker 6 However, they find themselves at number 25, conveniently a week after Utah's athletic director joins the committee.

Speaker 31 Also, you take number 20 Tennessee and number 22 Missouri. Those two teams have combined for zero FBS wins against teams above 500.

Speaker 31 They are just there to reverse engineer arguments for the teams that are in the top 15.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I hear you. I think that, like, even if you look at this week's AP poll, I believe North Texas,

Speaker 34 like the last five are, or six are Tennessee, JMU, North Texas, Missouri, Tulane, and Houston.

Speaker 34 I feel like we're kind of splitting hairs there. Like, I think JMU is not in the CFP rankings because their strength of schedule is not good enough.

Speaker 34 Like they have one loss to an FB Power 4 team in Louisville. Louisville's not ranked in either after they, I mean, I don't know if you guys watched the Friday Night Louisville Clemson game.

Speaker 34 What a freaking disaster that was.

Speaker 10 I mean, just a horrible game.

Speaker 34 But then like, yeah, I don't know. Tulane, they need to put in there.
I think that's fair across both the CFP and the AP. Missouri is in both.
Like North Texas has a really bad loss, but they're 9-1.

Speaker 34 They have still have a pretty good shot at winning their conference. Mike, I just don't know how you backfill that and compare like Illinois to North Texas.

Speaker 34 Like I don't think that that's necessarily wrong. It's just like depends on what you care about when you're ranking them.
Like Illinois has beaten better teams than North Texas has.

Speaker 34 They've also lost by 50 points to Indiana.

Speaker 6 Well, I'm not even using the, I'm not even using the group of five in this argument.

Speaker 6 Like Tennessee at 20 and Missoula at 22, they are only that high in this CFP to boost the argument for teams that are actually in the playoff.

Speaker 34 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think Tennessee,

Speaker 34 I can see that.

Speaker 34 I think their best win is probably

Speaker 35 Mississippi State.

Speaker 34 Mississippi State.

Speaker 41 That's a joke.

Speaker 41 That's a joke.

Speaker 36 Why are they ranked ahead of SMU?

Speaker 33 It's a joke.

Speaker 34 Because SMU lost to a pretty bad Baylor team and they lost to a pretty bad Wake Forest team by one point, only scored 12 points in that game.

Speaker 33 We're talking about losses, though.

Speaker 34 And lost to TCU, which is also,

Speaker 6 you have to ask, who did Tennessee beat?

Speaker 31 What is this mental programming that the CFP has where they value quality losses more than head-to-head matchups, more than quality wins?

Speaker 31 The point of football is to win a game, and we're out here arguing.

Speaker 43 We're entering every debate with who did they lose to?

Speaker 34 It's so philosophically,

Speaker 34 I totally understand where you're coming from. I don't even really disagree with you on any of it.

Speaker 34 I think that they're just, whether you agree with their logic logic or not, like they're looking at a team's ceiling versus their floor.

Speaker 34 And if your floor is a lot lower than another team's floor, I think they're dinging you for it. Jesse.
I don't know if I agree with it, but.

Speaker 12 Jesse, are you going to have a problem if in a couple weeks the Kanes they win their games? So they wind up moving up a couple spots, let's say, in the playoff rankings.

Speaker 12 And then the committee does exactly what Yuracek said was, okay, now Notre Dame and Miami are close together, so we got to evaluate them. Miami then jumps Notre Dame and Notre Dame finds itself out.

Speaker 12 How mad are you going to be?

Speaker 34 Yeah, I mean that would be, I think that would be disappointing, but I also think that like Notre Dame knew going into week two or week three against Texas A ⁇ M that they probably needed to win that game to be a lock in the playoff and they lost by one point.

Speaker 34 Now I think Notre Dame has vastly improved in the last eight games and I think the committee has taken note of that. Their defense is basically shutting out teams in the second half.

Speaker 34 They've held their last, you know, however many opponents to only a touchdown, maybe two.

Speaker 34 This last game game against Pitt, they shut out the offense until the last four seconds of the game when they scored in garbage time.

Speaker 34 So, I think Notre Dame is totally deserving, and of course, I'm extremely biased.

Speaker 34 I think they're also probably taking into account that CJ Carr was playing his first road game against Miami as the starting quarterback, etc.

Speaker 34 But I think that, like, that's Notre Dame knew if they were going to start 0-2, they would have to get a little lucky with the rest of the teams in the standings.

Speaker 34 And so far, they have gotten lucky, but we know that there's still two games left.

Speaker 34 And like I said earlier, if Notre Dame even has any sort of close game against Stanford, I think that could end up hurting them too, even if they win.

Speaker 3 Check out her extremely biased Notre Dame podcast with Mike Golick Jr., the Echoes. I'd be totally fine with North Texas being in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 I'd be totally fine just choosing the 12 best quarterbacks and putting them in the playoffs. I think Drew Mestermaker is one of the 12 best quarterbacks in the country.

Speaker 34 Yeah, he's good.

Speaker 34 I think that I feel bad for the G5 teams this year. I think everyone's mad at them.
And they're also

Speaker 34 in two large conferences where they can't all play against each other. And whoever ends up making it is going to be a multi-touchdown underdog.
And they're going to get laughed at.

Speaker 34 And I'm going to feel bad for them. And it's going to make me feel bad, even though it shouldn't.

Speaker 34 Because this is the playoff format that we all decided on when there were five power conferences. And now there's only four.

Speaker 3 Jessica, do you know anyone who's not already a cheerleader who watches recreationally cheerleading competitions other than the scene in Dodgeball where Justin Long goes to compete in Vegas?

Speaker 34 Do I know someone who's not a cheerleader who watches cheerleading competitions?

Speaker 26 Is that your question?

Speaker 3 Earnestly, yes.

Speaker 34 Yes, I know one person. He was the former head coach of the New England Patriots.
He actually currently coaches the North Carolina Tar Heels.

Speaker 34 He was at his girlfriend's co-ed cheer event this past weekend.

Speaker 9 Thank you, Jessica.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's why we were discussing it. And Amin was saying that nobody likes watching.
What? What was that?

Speaker 17 What does that mean?

Speaker 10 Jessica's internet minute.

Speaker 3 Go ahead, Jess. That's your cue, Jessie.

Speaker 15 Oh, okay.

Speaker 34 Wait, can I have a ruling on if this counts as an internet minute? It happened in real life, but I read about it on the internet. It does.

Speaker 16 It counts.

Speaker 41 Okay.

Speaker 34 Okay, Dan, what do you know about this reporter named Olivia Newsy slash Newtsie? I'm not sure how to say her last name.

Speaker 3 You know about that? She had an affair with Scrotum Face.

Speaker 33 Her name's Newsy.

Speaker 34 Which Scrotum Face?

Speaker 16 lot to pick from the dolphins logo

Speaker 34 because there's multiple affairs with scrotum faces that potentially occurred in this uh in this story including one with two scrotum faces all right go ahead and give me the details i wish i knew nothing about this dan but unfortunately i've learned everything that there is to know about this person against my will so uh this woman was a political reporter you may oh that's Disgusting.

Speaker 34 Dolphins logo.

Speaker 3 It's an old man's ass on the dolphin helmet.

Speaker 33 We don't know about that.

Speaker 3 It's an old man's ass on the dolphin helmet.

Speaker 34 It's like a werewolf's ass.

Speaker 34 Okay,

Speaker 34 so she was a political reporter, and I don't know, I feel like people have probably seen this name around her.

Speaker 36 It's

Speaker 3 she pretends to be a journalist

Speaker 3 while dating or having an affair with RFK, who she was profiling.

Speaker 34 So yes, the story came out last year that she had an affair with RFK Jr.,

Speaker 34 who she had written a profile for. So then she was, I guess, sort of let go of her New York mag job.
Later on became the West Coast editor of Vanity Fair.

Speaker 34 And her ex-fiancé, Dan, is also a political reporter who previously worked at the New Yorker, but was let go because of some other misconduct allegation. He wrote a blog post the other night.

Speaker 34 This is where it gets like, there's a dramatic twist. A what? He wrote a blog post or a sub stack, whatever you want to call it, the other night about her affair with this presidential candidate.

Speaker 34 But then if you read the whole thing, there's a huge twist at the end. Allegedly, this was about Mike Sanford, not even about RFK Jr.

Speaker 34 She's had multiple affairs with presidential candidates and previously dated Keith Olderman. And there's your sports tie.

Speaker 3 She's got a type.

Speaker 34 By the way, Dan, I wore a costume today. I'm the rock.
I have a fanny pack on.

Speaker 10 Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 Thank you, Jessica. Again, her extremely biased Notre Dame podcast, The Echoes, with Mike Golick Jr.

Speaker 3 Yes, we'll do it this way, I guess. This is not, not, not an echo chain.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Jessica. Appreciate the time.
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Speaker 14 Don Lebatard.

Speaker 34 Did we someone say a conservative entity?

Speaker 10 Whoa!

Speaker 10 No!

Speaker 3 Oh, see, this is what

Speaker 14 Stugats.

Speaker 10 Hers is better than mine. The fifth Sagaki.

Speaker 3 How is the fifth Sagaki better than the third and the the fourth Sagaki already?

Speaker 14 This is the Don Lebatar Show with these two guys.

Speaker 3 I wanted to ask something based on a contention that Mike Ryan has had here for a couple of days. I don't know how you guys do

Speaker 3 these kinds of measurements. Mike Ryan has said, and Tony, I'd like you to help me here because I'm going to go to a roster literally from 40 years ago.

Speaker 3 Mike Ryan has said that the University of Miami's offense this year is positioned to be the second best in the history of the program, the best one being the one with Cam Ward.

Speaker 33 No, last 20 years.

Speaker 3 Okay, so the best since, okay, so I was going to go back 40 years because I didn't realize you were, I thought you were saying it was the second best statistical offense the University of Miami has had.

Speaker 3 Regardless, Mike, the conversation I wanted to have with you is if, in the modern age, right, there are two offenses I think of in University of Miami history when I think of just sheer absurdity, right?

Speaker 3 There's the one at the beginning of the 2000s where you had Clinton Portis, Willis McGehee, Frank Gore in the backfield.

Speaker 3 You had Bryant McKinney as a first-round pick on the offensive line, and you had Andre Johnson. I don't know who the second receiver on that team was.
Andre Johnson was a top pick.

Speaker 3 But then when I look back at the 1986, I believe, offense of the University of Miami, you had, as the wide receivers, you had a second-round pick in Brian Blades, second-round pick in Brett Perriman, first-round pick in Michael Irvin, and your quarterback was Vinnie Testaverdi, a first-round pick, and Alonzo Highsmith was your running back, so that's a top five pick as well.

Speaker 3 I don't look at the University of Miami offense and see a whole bunch of first-round and second-round picks, do you?

Speaker 13 On the line, there might, we'll see what happens with Markel Bell,

Speaker 35 but Maoanoa, on the offensive line, they have two of those players.

Speaker 41 Believe it or not, out of all the offenses you just invoked, last year's was statistically the greatest offense in the history of the program.

Speaker 3 Correct. And so the question I was going to ask you and Amin when we start talking about the changes in how it is the game is played, right?

Speaker 3 You can tell me that Restrepo is the best receiver in Miami history because the production suggests as much, but he's not.

Speaker 10 Correct.

Speaker 41 And so he's not the best receiver ever put on.

Speaker 3 So what do you, so how do you do this? I just listed an assortment. Like, that's an absurdity of wealth I'm talking about, where you cannot dispute what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 That amount of talent at the skilled positions is just asinine.

Speaker 36 Did Testaverdi go number one overall?

Speaker 15 Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 3 And so you got Testa Verde number one overall. You got High Smith behind him.

Speaker 30 You got Bratton behind him as well, like Melvin Bratton. Bratton was good.

Speaker 3 Like, that was a first-round pick as well. So I'm not looking at this Miami offense.
And I mean, maybe Malachi Toney is a high pick. I don't know.
He seems undersized.

Speaker 3 Maybe his quickness is such that three years from now, he will be a high pick because he's an obviously very productive receiver.

Speaker 3 But how do you guys do this when the game has changed so much that what you're talking about is collegiate talent and passing, but you're not really talking about, oh, I see those skilled guys and they're just unbelievable.

Speaker 42 I'm sorry. I think Amin could probably invoke the NBA in that all kind of NBA stats are cuckoo right now.

Speaker 6 Like Buddy Hield's one of the greatest three-point shooters of all time.

Speaker 41 Statistically, where is he all time?

Speaker 30 So like that's the crazy thing.

Speaker 3 I remember when Reggie Miller's three-point record was broken, it was a big deal. Ray Allen did, and then Steph Curry broke his.

Speaker 3 And I just saw last night that Reggie Miller is now seventh or eighth on an all-time season.

Speaker 12 LeBron passed him, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, LeBron passed him. So it's like all these little things.
Vince Carter in one night got passed on two different things.

Speaker 3 He got passed by Steph Curry in points scored and passed by LeBron James in seasons played.

Speaker 3 The numbers are

Speaker 3 accelerating because of the pace and the style of play.

Speaker 3 But this

Speaker 3 goes right back to Dan.

Speaker 10 I hate when people are like, ooh, who's better?

Speaker 3 Like, it's impossible to compare.

Speaker 3 Like, just because the numbers are bigger doesn't necessarily mean this is a better quality athlete.

Speaker 12 I feel like, you know, because we're going back 40 years, right? 1986.

Speaker 12 I feel like sometimes we obviously acknowledge how much better, how much more skilled, bigger, faster players are today than they were, say, 40 years ago.

Speaker 12 I don't think we mention often enough how much better the coaches are.

Speaker 12 Like, coaches today, the way they they scheme, design the plays, play calling is definitely so much better and more complicated than it was 40 years ago.

Speaker 12 Like, those players that you just mentioned back in 86, if you had those guys on this Hurricanes team, it's completely different than with these current players.

Speaker 12 But this kind of coaching, meaning, you know, the kind of plays, design, schemes, and all of that.

Speaker 3 With just the technology that's available, think of scouts. Think of how many cameras we got.
Think of our ability to have playbooks not on thick stacks of paper, but on an iPad.

Speaker 3 And each play has video associated with it. The tools available to the modern athlete are so much far beyond what we had 40 years ago.

Speaker 12 There's no way the coaches back then, 1986, were close to what they are right now.

Speaker 3 Zazzy, even though...

Speaker 3 Even though it's staffing, right? Like the idea of like, how big was the staff 40 years ago versus the staff now? There's just so many people just around on the staff who can do these things.

Speaker 3 It's funny that you mentioned that because we didn't talk yesterday at all when you mentioned staff that Chip Kelly's making $6 million a year.

Speaker 3 He's the highest paid offensive quarterback in the league.

Speaker 10 Coordinator.

Speaker 3 Coordinator, excuse me.

Speaker 11 And I

Speaker 3 find amusing that so many people were upset about the conflict of interest with Tom Brady when clearly he's not providing anything on offense that is helping them in any way when Ashton Genty is carrying six times for seven yards and leads the league.

Speaker 9 And Matthew Berry told us he was going over.

Speaker 3 Yeah, leads the league and being tackled in the backfield and being hit before. Like, I've seen Ashton Genty, and this has to be a record, an NFL record.

Speaker 3 I have seen Ashton Genty hit 7,000 times this season before he gets the football. Like,

Speaker 3 there are people in that backfield. That's a bad Dallas defense.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 36 it did make a personnel change, though.

Speaker 33 That was a helpful acquisition.

Speaker 36 It directly impacted Genti.

Speaker 14 Correct.

Speaker 3 But what has happened clearly, look, I think Pete Carroll regrets going back to Oakland.

Speaker 3 I think he underestimated, as we all did, how much Geno Smith was helped by having Metcalf, Lockett, and Smith and Jagba on the same team.

Speaker 3 Like those were all on the same team at one time, those three guys, and they clearly made Geno Smith look a lot better than he looks right now.

Speaker 16 You take Ashton Genty over his rushing yards and then you check mid-game, he's got two rushes for minus one yards.

Speaker 26 Not a good feeling.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, Dallas was putting so many, they had 700 people in the box.

Speaker 36 Matthew Berry didn't tell me that.

Speaker 3 I saw Leon Lett and Tutal Jones get into the backfield and and hit Ashton Genty.

Speaker 3 The thing that happened in that game, though, what are you paying Chip Kelly for? Like, what is Tom Brady doing there?

Speaker 3 Like, we've talked so much about conflict of interest, and he's wearing a headset. What possible wisdom is he giving them?

Speaker 10 They are terrible at offense.

Speaker 42 The Chip Kelly thing is interesting, and it's why the NFL, when they talk about Lane Kiffin, they worry about his offense.

Speaker 6 Why would we trust you to develop our quarterback, even though you worked with him before, before, when you have a recent history of guys coming back from college to the NFL and their offense is not working out?

Speaker 12 When we see Brady in the booth and he's got the headset on and everything, are we sure he's not just practicing broadcasting?

Speaker 10 Well, there's no proof that he's getting better at it.

Speaker 3 So I don't know how much he's practicing.

Speaker 16 There were a few plays the last time I listened to him where I was like, he seems to be stopping that.

Speaker 16 Because, you know, before he was just pushing through the next play, there were a few times where I'm like, he may have gotten the note because he stopped talking at the right time.

Speaker 16 He's still not great, but he at least has the timing down a little better.

Speaker 32 It's kind of like one of those things with a great players. Like, why can't great players be great coaches? Like, just go do what I did.

Speaker 45 And it's like, hey, Tom, we can't.

Speaker 32 Like, I'm Geno Smith.

Speaker 45 I can't do what you did.

Speaker 3 Whose job is it to give Tom Brady notes?

Speaker 44 Who's the guy? I want to.

Speaker 3 No, no, I know whose job it is on paper. I'm talking about in real life.

Speaker 16 Who's the one? You tell him. No, you tell him.
You tell him.

Speaker 3 Tom?

Speaker 3 Can you?

Speaker 16 I pictured Burkhart just being like,

Speaker 2 try to stop before the next place starts.

Speaker 3 You guys say that, though, but I have found that athletes take to coaching well and want to be better, so they crave criticism. Like, they're different than most media people.

Speaker 3 They are not the sensitive.

Speaker 16 He's like, give it to me straight.

Speaker 26 Right after the first one, he's like, give me real notes.

Speaker 3 I assume he wants to be better at it. I don't think he wants to be bad at it.
I don't think he wants to be bad at anything.

Speaker 29 Do you think it matters, though?

Speaker 32 Like, he wants to be better. He already knows the checks coming.
It's like, I can just kind of do my thing.

Speaker 16 He sees the, like, he gets the overall vibe of the internet.

Speaker 27 I feel like he could tell that it was not positive.

Speaker 42 Tony, like, that goes against everything I know about Tom Brady.

Speaker 42 I think Tom Brady Brady is fighting like hell to not have his name brought up as the biggest gulf between what they did on the field and what they did in the booth because right now he's top of that heap.

Speaker 3 Who's got that title? Who's he taking that title from?

Speaker 33 Who? Ray Doll?

Speaker 3 That's a pretty good one. That's a pretty good nominee for somebody who was great on the field,

Speaker 3 but was famously bad at broadcasting or is famous.

Speaker 45 Remember when he wanted to be a stand-up comedian?

Speaker 32 That was like a short stint of like, yeah, I'm going to be a stand-up comedian.

Speaker 45 And we're like, who did?

Speaker 15 Really?

Speaker 33 Tom Brady.

Speaker 32 That's crazy. Before he was broadcasting, he was like, I'm going to be a stand-up comedian.

Speaker 14 We were all like, really? I don't remember.

Speaker 10 Okay. I don't remember that part.

Speaker 12 You're telling me Tom Brady's going to stand up in front of me and say things and I'm going to laugh? Look it up. No way.

Speaker 10 Look it up.

Speaker 15 I don't think you remember. I know you remember.

Speaker 32 You're locked in on stand-up comedy.

Speaker 36 I know you do.

Speaker 33 Was that for real?

Speaker 35 For real.

Speaker 3 It's like when T.I. tried to stand up.

Speaker 10 It's like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Blake Griffin tried to stand up. Blake Griffin was good at stand-up.

Speaker 33 He's good. He's good.

Speaker 30 Tom Brady bad.

Speaker 3 I have had a source of tension here for three uh for these three hours and i'm gonna say pretty close to the 24 hours before it there have been very few sources of tension with zaz since he's been here but he left here yesterday genuinely pissed off because he felt like i was asking him a question that i was asking amin i know you were and everyone was confused by whether i was asking zaz the question or whether i was asking amin the question and then amin objected by when zaz answered the question oh the look that amin was giving me I was confused while I was talking.

Speaker 12 And Amin, why are you looking at me like that? I'm answering a question here. I'm giving good information.
Amin was very upset. I like it.

Speaker 3 Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. And so the tension here develops into what ruling from among everybody.
What do we come to a... Did you say ruling?

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 9 A consensus.

Speaker 36 The honorable Jonathan Zaz

Speaker 9 with prejudice.

Speaker 3 Wait a minute. He's ruling on his own.
He's going to rule. He's got bias here.
What do you mean it's without prejudice? He's got prejudices here. He's going to rule.

Speaker 9 You're gonna get enough from you, your papal sea.

Speaker 12 Thank you, Dan.

Speaker 3 You want to explain to people? Do we have you want to explain any more? Does it need any more context than what I've just offered on what it is that you're doing?

Speaker 35 I know how to run a courtroom.

Speaker 12 Thank you very much, Dan.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 So let's revisit the question

Speaker 12 in question from yesterday's show.

Speaker 12 Let's play. I need some evidence here, and we will decide if the question

Speaker 29 was for me

Speaker 12 or the question was for a mean. Can I please? This is exhibit A.

Speaker 3 You have been very hard on LeBron James, Aslo. You have said that LeBron James is faking an injury.
Oh, yeah. It made me laugh to see the headline, LeBron James, and then parenthetically, Sciatica

Speaker 3 returns to the Lakers. You are thinking, what's about to happen here, given that the usage rate of Luca has made the Lakers look like the the Mavs that went to the finals.

Speaker 3 Because when you give Luca the ball all the time and just allow him to dominate the ball, he will dominate the game.

Speaker 3 And, I mean, I'd be curious about your thoughts here because the Lakers with Luca through 14 games, and Luca has missed a few of them, and Austin Reeves has been great.

Speaker 3 They haven't looked like they missed LeBron at all, even though statistically, LeBron was a top 10 player in the league last year.

Speaker 27 That was the first half of the question.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 12 Holy crap, what a long question. All right.

Speaker 12 I would like some eyewitness accounts.

Speaker 12 Mike Ryan, please.

Speaker 3 Some witnesses.

Speaker 10 Hey, how's it going, buddy?

Speaker 10 I was here earlier.

Speaker 36 I think that question was for Amin.

Speaker 12 Chris, I would like an eyewitness account.

Speaker 3 You're a biased judge.

Speaker 12 I'm getting eyewitness accounts.

Speaker 38 I think it started for you.

Speaker 3 You got your face. You got a witness.
You're threatening the witness.

Speaker 36 I think it started for you, and then Dan realized as he was asking it, like, oh, Zaz isn't the perfect person to ask this question, too. It's a mean.

Speaker 16 This is like a three-quarters of the way, Zaz. He pivots at the last second for a mean.
So, if you're asking me, who was this question for? I'm going Zaz.

Speaker 3 If it may please the court, he's just talking.

Speaker 12 Go ahead, Amen.

Speaker 3 He's just talking to Zaz. Zaz, you're one of those guys, da-da-da.
And he makes his point, and then he ends with the question directed at me.

Speaker 12 He asks the question, invoking Jonathan Zaslow's name, and then mid-question, you may have heard, asks another question directed at Jonathan Zaslow.

Speaker 12 and then later in this godforsakenly long question does he then address a mean

Speaker 12 I rule in favor of the question being for Jonathan Zaszlo

Speaker 10 for

Speaker 12 giveable that's my gimmick you don't pour water on me

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