Hour 2: Don Marino (feat. Mina Kimes)

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Speaker 2 Oh, look at who's here. Everyone gets very excited when Mina Kimes is here.
And to honor Mina Kimes making an appearance, we got breaking news.

Speaker 12 Dano, hot off the press, Dylan Gabriel in the concussion protocol, Shadur Sanders to make his first start this Sunday.

Speaker 11 Okay.

Speaker 2 We will start then in the obvious place of showing Mina that beauty pageant contestant from Chile

Speaker 2 doing death metal during the talent portion of the beauty pageant.

Speaker 2 If you're just listening, it's a beautiful woman doing death metal during the talent portion of a beauty pageant. Mina, your thoughts?

Speaker 13 Uncannily close to my Cookie Monster impression or my Elmo impression, both of them, right? If I remember correctly.

Speaker 13 I don't know if it started as Cookie Monster or I pretended to be Elmo and was interpreted as Yoda, but the net result was a lot like that. I think we can all agree.

Speaker 2 All right. Do me the favor, Chris, of finding me some generic death metal sound that we can have Mina do either her Cookie Monster or

Speaker 9 Elmo, too.

Speaker 12 Yeah, just a generic death metal sound.

Speaker 9 Let me go ahead.

Speaker 2 Just, you know, come on. You can find it.
I know you can.

Speaker 2 Let's talk not about Shador Sanders, but the thing I did want to talk about, because I really feel, Mina, like we're super ignorant about the concussion stuff, everybody. the idea that C.J.

Speaker 2 Stroud on Tuesday, that they could say, yep, third week, he's out. He's not, like the stuff happening in his head must be pretty bad.

Speaker 13 I just want to say. You might be the only person in sports media who's going in the concussion direction off of the Shiro.

Speaker 13 I know you're not talking about Shidora, who's starting because of the concussion, but I don't think a single person has expressed any concern for the health of Dylan Gabriel in all of this.

Speaker 13 There is zero Dylan Gabriel or concussion discourse. But yeah, to actually answer your question, the CJ Stroud stuff is scary.

Speaker 13 Whenever you see multiple weeks, you know that means that tests are not being passed. Concerns are had by both either the team or the player, which I suspect might be both in this case.

Speaker 13 And that is really scary. I think about some players,

Speaker 13 for example, Jaquan Brisker in Chicago, who just missed tons of games. And you start hearing that week after week, and he's not back after the customary week away, and you do start to get concerned.

Speaker 2 The coverage of Shador Sanders bothers me. Like the disproportionate.

Speaker 13 Which part? I think it's so normal and not at all insane.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just that we're talking

Speaker 2 about a fifth-round pick who can't play and we're talking about him only because he's famous.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think it's the what I would object to,

Speaker 13 I'm not saying you're saying this, but I think like the idea that this is new, because right, we all remember Teebo Mania.

Speaker 13 Every now and then there comes a player along who not only invites an undue level of scrutiny and interest, but also I think a lot of takes from people who don't even, like, who aren't immersed in the sport.

Speaker 13 A lot of the, you know, reaction was last week, you know, okay, let's make excuses. Well, he didn't even get reps with the first team.

Speaker 13 And I know Cam Newton gave a take about this, but for the most part, it was people who don't really seem to cover football that much saying it was outrageous, even though it's pretty much the norm.

Speaker 13 Or honestly, people being overly hard on him.

Speaker 13 Like it was predictable as I'll get out that a fifth round pick in that offense, which sucks that offensive line which is terrible would look awful i i do think he has a real opportunity this weekend because in addition to getting the uh much discussed reps the raiders defense we saw what dallas did to them um i think he's going to have an easier he could have an easier go of it and you know a real opportunity to show that he belongs in this league how do people mean how do people with a straight face say that kevin stafansky doesn't want shador sanders to succeed how does that make any sense i think there's a lot of just reaching for ex

Speaker 13 here's what what I'll say, though. I would be surprised if Kevin Stefansky wanted them to draft Shador, but also what you're saying is insane.

Speaker 13 Like, why would he self-sabotage, right? He doesn't want to look bad. I mean, there's a chance Kevin Stefansky isn't the coach of the Browns next year, the two time, you know, coach of the year.

Speaker 13 And there's no reason, it's insane to think that he would willingly want the offense, his offense to look, he's not play calling Tommy Reese's, but it doesn't make sense. It's absolutely bad shit.

Speaker 16 Mina, Mina, that Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs game is going to be hugely consequential for who's going to be Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 17 The fact that Kansas City lost that game, it kind of cements that they're going to have to do this thing on the road if they get an opportunity to do it at all.

Speaker 16 Specific to KC, what do you think their postseason chances are now?

Speaker 13 Pretty low, man.

Speaker 13 I mean, maybe they squeak in.

Speaker 13 I have to look at everybody's schedule, but even if they do squeak in, I'm going to be, it's going to be hard to pick them against a lot of the better competitors in the AFC.

Speaker 13 Even a team like the Bills that's flawed, that really can't defend the run, is actually a bad matchup for Kansas City because Kansas City can't run the ball. And you saw that right when they played.

Speaker 13 And I think that's the thing. When I look at this Chiefs team, everyone points to like, oh, they had the luck in the one-score games last year and now the luck is gone.

Speaker 13 And that's 100% true and something we should remember.

Speaker 13 We will not remember. But when another team does it this year and you're looking at one-score records, people should remember it.

Speaker 13 But the thing I think striking that strikes me when I watch them is it's just a very fundamentally flawed team. They can't run the football.

Speaker 13 They struggle against man coverage and they can't rush the pass here. And those are pretty important things when it comes to winning playoff games.

Speaker 12 Mina, was Dan's take right that their offense is kind of constipated?

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Constipated is such a great word to describe it because if you can like, you know, just play tight man coverage and, you know, the Broncos can do that, or even you're not too afraid of getting beat over the top.

Speaker 13 And Mahomes missed a couple balls in that game. Everything does feel really tight.

Speaker 13 Everything does feel like you're just playing for third down. I don't know why I did a constipated voice there.
You're playing for third down and just trying to squeeze out. Oh, God.

Speaker 13 Actually, I don't know. You're right.
You're on for you.

Speaker 9 No, I'm not doing that. You're doing the push rate.

Speaker 2 You're keep doing this. Yes.
You need the perfect. Is your offense needs? Is it a modium or is that the opposite?

Speaker 13 Metamusal. Yeah.
I don't know what what that is. I hate how quickly I answered that.

Speaker 2 Isn't their EPA good, though? Like, don't they have, isn't it like the

Speaker 13 look at you?

Speaker 13 I'm just so proud of my large adult son dad using EPA on his show. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, too.

Speaker 13 Like, until a couple weeks ago, the offense was like when Rashid Reyes came back, it was like, oh, we are freaking bad. I felt that way watching them.
But I think you're just seeing the flaws.

Speaker 13 And a lot of it comes down from the inability to run the ball because there's a lot of defenses around the NFL that can't stop the run and or are begging you to run.

Speaker 13 And if you're a team that just consistently cannot do it, that has now been the least explosive rushing game in the entire NFL for multiple years in a row and for some reason decided not to draft a running back and has not altered things, yeah, you're going to run into teams that are just like, cool, we will choke you out through the air.

Speaker 13 And if you can't run the ball, so be it.

Speaker 2 Chris, go ahead and give me some public domain death metal music and let's see what Cookie Monster Elmo, what Amina decides to do with the public domain death metal music

Speaker 13 wear the cookies on the cookie monster me want cookie

Speaker 2 doesn't like that yeah no i'm a big fan of everything that's happening there So I thought...

Speaker 2 I thought the most impressive thing...

Speaker 15 Come on, it's the chorus.

Speaker 2 I thought the most impressive thing that I saw in football this weekend is Seattle kicking for the game with that kind of turnover disparity.

Speaker 2 I looked through some of the stats and can't believe that it's like the Peyton Manning MVP offense of the Broncos. It's the greatest show on turf.

Speaker 2 And it's the Seattle Seahawks when it comes to having over 100 and point differential, but being negative on turnover margin. That is an exceptional football team.

Speaker 2 That team will win the Super Bowl if it can figure out how not to turn over the ball in the playoffs.

Speaker 13 I think I saw that the defense that was the most statistically impressive performance by a defense against Matthew Stafford ever in his career.

Speaker 13 I mean, and Matthew Stafford has been playing unbelievable this year, right? So I thought it was one of the more impressive regular season performances by defense that I can remember.

Speaker 13 They are incredibly well coached. They're talented at all three levels.
The pass rush is unbelievable. And yeah, for them to get that close, it is.

Speaker 13 I think it's going to raise a lot of interesting discussions about what you said, which is how do you keep Sam Darnold from doing what he did in that game in the same thing he did against the Rams.

Speaker 13 And I think for Seattle's purposes,

Speaker 13 it's not just like Sam Darnold doesn't have the clutch gene. Sam Darnold is a choker on the playoff, you know, the big stage.

Speaker 13 It's Sam Darnold struggles against specific types of interior pressures when he has to sort out the rush. That is how I felt watching him last year.
That's how I felt watching him in this game.

Speaker 13 I thought the Rams did a fantastic job of drawing out the exact types of pressures that give Darnold trouble. So for Seattle now, it's like you got two months to fix that.
Not two months, right?

Speaker 13 It's November cheese leaves.

Speaker 13 You got a month and a half to fix that. You got to figure out a way to run the ball too against defenses that go light like LA.

Speaker 13 And the other thing with Darnold, because the defense is so good, bro, just take a sack. Like he was trying to make plays happen on all of those that just weren't there.

Speaker 13 But you got the freaking rebirth of the Legion of Boom on your side. Just take the sack.
Live to play another day because they're going to hold them to very few points.

Speaker 2 I read some stats earlier this week that he's 21 and 4, Darnold is against people who aren't Chris Schuler, but against Chris Schula, the defensive coordinator for the Rams.

Speaker 2 He 0-3, 12 sacks, 5 interceptions. So is it interior pressure? Is it that the Rams are good at interior pressure?

Speaker 9 Or which is it more of?

Speaker 2 Interior pressure of the Rams or Chris Schuler?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I think it's the pressure designs by Chris Schula because on three of the four interceptions, it wasn't just defensive tackles winning straight up.

Speaker 13 He was like showing all-out blitzes. Guys were dropping.
So Sam was like, oh, what's going on? What's going on? Who's actually coming?

Speaker 13 And then you would have edges in many cases looping around the inside. So it was like Darnold holding on the football little take because he was confused.

Speaker 13 And then here comes Byron Young barreling through the A gap or Puna Ford in one case.

Speaker 13 So like, I think just going back and re-watching them, Dan, like all the similarities in the pressure designs, Shula very smartly leaned on that, but also the players are very good.

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Speaker 13 Did you get lost on the way to Home Depot today, Dan? Like, what's going on with the platform?

Speaker 9 Get his ass, Mina.

Speaker 11 Stugats.

Speaker 13 But dude, you look like you're about to ask me to, like, check the oil on my car or, like, come over and, like, look around and point things in my house that need to be fixed.

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Speaker 15 Mina, what do you make of Mike McDaniel becoming just the second coach this century to go for fourth and goal with under two minutes left in a tie game?

Speaker 13 I think it's the kind of thing you do when you're in like full effort mode, right? Like

Speaker 13 Mike McDaniel is like having a senior spring, as we used to call it in high school, where it's just like, I'm out of here. Maybe I'm out of here anyways, whatever.

Speaker 13 Like he did a bit after, you guys saw that, right? He like went into the press conference, did like a full-blown Lebatard style bit.

Speaker 13 Nobody cared because they won and it was forgotten. I think if they had lost, there would have been a lot of calls to fire him this week.

Speaker 16 Mina, thank goodness for the Bucs that Baker won all those coin flip games at the beginning of the season because they had a slew of injuries and then really tough opponents.

Speaker 8 But if you look at Baker's performances over the last month, even though you can contextualize them, he hasn't been that good. What's going wrong for Tampa and can they write the ship?

Speaker 13 Oh, my throat is really feeling that Cookie Monster Metal impressions, by the way. I just realized that.
You went and got it, though.

Speaker 2 You really, you, you,

Speaker 13 don't tempt me to do it again.

Speaker 2 You want to give you all your analysis in Death Metal Voice?

Speaker 9 I got to do it. That was your takeaway from what you said.

Speaker 13 please don't do that don't worry about that mina i gotta do my show by the way the mini cabi show featuring lenny we preview all the games for two hours later today i can't i can't kill my voice like that um okay so i think a lot of the stuff's catching up in terms of like not having his dudes out there right uh imika

Speaker 13 well i almost went full gronk there it's a boo

Speaker 13 has been awesome but he cannot just be the entire focal point of your passing attack and then the bucks run game has taken a step back to although they were very good against buffalo which is not hard hard, but you know, they haven't had Buck Irving.

Speaker 13 I do think getting guys back in the offensive line, the right tackle, will help them. And the other thing is, like, they just played really good teams, Mike.

Speaker 13 Like, looking back on their schedule going into the season, I don't think it looked nearly as hard as it when you realize, oh my goodness, the Bucks have had a gauntlet to face.

Speaker 13 And but fortunately, they're in the NFC South, and so things are still very winnable.

Speaker 25 So good.

Speaker 9 Imika egg big boo.

Speaker 17 Do you think that they're gonna pull like one of these 49er tricks where they get all their guys back at the right time and they find their groove and all this is just they're hurt and they're playing the cream of the crowd?

Speaker 13 Is that a 49er?

Speaker 13 Is that a 49-er trick? Because I don't feel like they ever get their guys back at the right time.

Speaker 14 Well, they just end up getting re-hurt.

Speaker 13 Well, a big issue with them, I think they're still good. I think the defense is really good too.

Speaker 13 I think Josh Allen just kind of went nuclear.

Speaker 13 The issue for me, and this is an issue, like I just don't know who the Panthers are.

Speaker 13 I am supposed to at this point in the season have a firm grasp on how i feel about teams and i can tell you who's good and who's bad and where i i i you could not pay me to bet on the carolina panthers like if you gave me a hundred dollars instead bet on a panthers game i would just give it back to you and say keep your money because i truly that team more than any other team in the nfl i have no freaking clue week to week although i did see they were undefeated in games where they've won the coin flip and i think they've lost every game where they've lost the coin flip so that to me is as good a piece of analysis as the Carolina Panthers as you got to get.

Speaker 2 That stinks as analysis, and they

Speaker 2 stink as a football team.

Speaker 13 I like it. I like it, too.

Speaker 9 I like Dan's analysis.

Speaker 16 Dan's Carolina Panther analysis this season has been on the money.

Speaker 23 They stink.

Speaker 14 Their season is over, even though they're firmly entrenched in the middle.

Speaker 13 They don't stink. Okay, their defense has improved a lot this year from last year.

Speaker 2 Bryce Young threw for 448 yards, and there were two career-ending injuries he had in that game. He went to the sideline.

Speaker 9 I'm like, his season and his career are over.

Speaker 12 He's not the guy that's out for the year in that game.

Speaker 14 Crazy.

Speaker 13 There was a point where the line, I think it was Kaden Ellis, just like suplexed him. And I thought, there's no way he looked so small and he just got folded up.

Speaker 13 And then he went boing, bounced right up.

Speaker 18 So Pennix suffers another knee injury.

Speaker 16 Really sad when you consider what he's gone through in college. You're a big-time Washington Huskies supporter.
You love Michael Pennix, but this kind of feels like it may really be a wrap for him.

Speaker 16 That was a book on him when he entered the draft that his knees couldn't take the league.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think it's,

Speaker 13 I hope I'm not wrong, but I believe it's the other knee. But yeah, still the same injury concerns persist.

Speaker 13 The other thing I will say is Michael Pennix had been really inconsistent this year, even before the injury, right?

Speaker 13 Like there were games like the Bills game at night where you're watching, you're thinking, yes, the Falcons have their guy. He's got a cannon.
Drake London is unbelievable.

Speaker 13 And then there were games where he just couldn't hit broadside of the barn, quite frankly.

Speaker 13 So even before the injury, you're already, I would have been unsure about where to proceed if you're an Atlanta Falcons fan. And now you go into next year, you don't have your first round pick.

Speaker 13 You gave it to the Rams, which is ridiculous. Kirk Cousins is probably going to be gone.

Speaker 13 And you had a question mark at quarterback. And probably they're going to wipe the slate clean too with the staff.
So it's a pretty brutal situation all around.

Speaker 13 I think they'll probably give Pennix another shot, but they'll probably have to bring in competition.

Speaker 15 Mina, at this point, what constitutes a successful season for the Bears?

Speaker 13 I would say just my view is just being a playoff team is enough. I imagine Bears have higher aspirations than that.
They would say they want to win a playoff game. Let me rephrase that.

Speaker 13 Being a playoff team and then getting there and not pooping your pants.

Speaker 13 So like I would like to see them get in the playoffs, which seems very doable at this point, and then just look like they belong. They don't have to win, I think.

Speaker 13 And again, I don't think Bears fans would agree with that. Oh, I still have to say that.

Speaker 2 I think it's already a success because they know they have the best quarterback they've ever had as a franchise.

Speaker 13 And a good coach. And I mean, the run game has been wildly fixed.
I just think they don't have enough of a pass rush. There's issues with run defense.

Speaker 13 So, you know, it's, but, but, yeah, I agree about that. The quarterback and the coach seem to be sort of coming together too as the season goes along, so you feel good about where things are going.

Speaker 2 You mentioned the pooping of the pants. I will show you a Packers defensive lineman peeing on the sidelines here.

Speaker 23 Exactly what I wanted to see.

Speaker 2 Obviously peeing on the sidelines here.

Speaker 26 Good job by the coaches there. Clearly looking away, making him feel very safe.
Yes,

Speaker 9 excellent work. Brian Cranston?

Speaker 2 There is a lot of looking away there.

Speaker 2 That could be either Brian Cranston or Aaron Paul.

Speaker 18 It looks like both of them.

Speaker 2 I don't have any commentary here. Do you?

Speaker 13 Are you watching Pluribus? Sorry, Brian Cranston just got me thinking about that because of Breaking Bad. Dan, I feel like this is extremely your shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 I'm two episodes in, And yeah, and I love all the breaking bad Easter eggs in it. Like, just

Speaker 2 all the little nuances of Vince Gilligan.

Speaker 2 Why are you breathing so hard? Did you want to talk pluribus with me?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Are you into pluribus too?

Speaker 19 I'm into it. I'm into, I'm into it.

Speaker 2 How the protagonist is an absolute miserable asshole.

Speaker 13 I know. I love it.
I love it. Like, and

Speaker 13 it's... Like, okay, so like my interpretation of it just briefly is like, this is like a real allegory for grief, right?

Speaker 13 Like how when you're grieving, nobody understands you, everybody wants to help, and you just want them to just shut the F up and go away if you're a certain kind of person, which this person is.

Speaker 13 But it's like turned up to, it's like, okay, what if we took that and then turned it into like a hilarious X-Files episode, meets breaking bad with a woman who is like the most miserable version of that?

Speaker 13 And how far can you, as a viewer, your sympathies for her, go?

Speaker 13 I just love how he's like pushing on our sensibilities and like how whether or not we will stick with this woman because she is really hard to watch.

Speaker 2 I love it. Mina, the incredible thing is, at first I was like, yes, this person is grieving.
Of course, it's hard to come to grips with it.

Speaker 2 And then we got the little flashback in the other episode, like, oh, no, this is just who you are.

Speaker 9 To some degree, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, to a lot of degree. Look, the bed's made of ice.
We get it.

Speaker 19 It was a nice hotel.

Speaker 9 Oh, but they're also,

Speaker 2 the way they're selling it is the most miserable person on the earth tries to save the world from happiness.

Speaker 13 Haven't you ever,

Speaker 13 you know, I think it's about grief, but it could be about anything where you mentally are going through something, whether it's grief or depression or a personal issue, and you just feel like all of your friends are annoying the hell out of you trying to help?

Speaker 13 Like, or everyone in your life just completely does not understand what you're going through and their efforts to cater to you are like actually working against, like, it's more and more annoying as it goes on.

Speaker 13 Like, isn't that a universal feeling that we can all relate to?

Speaker 2 I would imagine so. I would also imagine that some of the things I've been thinking about this lately with David Sampson,

Speaker 2 when you're grieving like that, your world has been turned upside down, you kind of get mad at the world because everyone else is still living their life, and yours, you're lonely with the idea of like, how can anyone else not be in pain when I'm suffering like this?

Speaker 13 And it feels like they all have this like weird hive mind in some ways. Like, how are you guys?

Speaker 13 You guys are just like, oh, cool, you're all just like marching along and excited about, you know, pumpkin spice lattes coming out. And you're just like, how are you living your life like that?

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 13 I think it's spectacular. We're, by the way, at my other pod, viewer discretion, we're going to talk about it next week.

Speaker 13 So if you ever listen, if you're watching that show and you're into that, go check it out.

Speaker 2 How about the chair company? Are you watching that?

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 13 of course.

Speaker 13 I want to know what it's like to watch that show if you've not watched I Think You Should Leave, which is

Speaker 13 his other show on Netflix that my friend Zach Caden created. Oh, he's also involved with this, but like that show is so much pretext for this show.
I know. And it,

Speaker 13 I feel like, I just can't imagine like a standard HBO viewer who, I know, I know.

Speaker 13 But I just can't imagine like being a normal HBO Sunday night viewer and being like, oh, I'll check this out. Like and not being familiar with Tim Robinson's.
By the way,

Speaker 13 I posited a theory, and I think there's some substance to it, that Tim Robinson is loosely basing his character in the chair company on Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 13 Who was on Detroiters?

Speaker 13 So they know each other. Let's talk this one out.

Speaker 17 Why? Okay.

Speaker 13 So literally last Sunday night, I was watching, they did a side interview with Jim Harbaugh, like a halftime interview. I think this was a few Sundays ago.

Speaker 13 And everything about it, his mannerisms, his like weird focus on like random shit, his ability to like he couldn't shake his obsession with whatever he was talking about.

Speaker 13 It was so similar to the character, the main character in the chair company that I, when I went, then we watched the chair company later, I was like, I feel like I'm watching the extension of the halftime interview and Jim Harbaugh is just like going down a rabbit hole.

Speaker 13 And you know, that family has had to deal with Jim Harbaugh, you know, doing his proverbial Jeep tours company or something, whatever.

Speaker 13 Like, you know, he's going down some weird roads that we don't know about.

Speaker 2 Chris, which would have been better in terms of hitting her with look at me would it have been this one

Speaker 9 look at me louisa

Speaker 2 would it have been this one

Speaker 9 look at me louis

Speaker 13 i actually had someone i'm gonna do it again i actually had someone run the theory by tim robinson who is on a header again

Speaker 13 lay this out lay this out

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the name drop. I think the name drop is better than this.

Speaker 9 Look at me, Louis.

Speaker 13 Look at me. No, I like the.
Yeah, I like the name drop sound.

Speaker 2 Look at me, Louie.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Amin. You've been interrupted 16 times.

Speaker 2 Look at me, Louie, is reserved for when you are acting in a way that it's like, look at me, I'm holier than thou.

Speaker 2 Our papacy excluded, of course. Name drop is when you do what Amina just did, where it's like, yeah,

Speaker 2 I had someone run it by old Tim.

Speaker 16 That's someone who's.

Speaker 13 Nobody wants to know what he said in response to the theory.

Speaker 9 Did he respond?

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 3 He responded?

Speaker 13 You know what? He did respond. And because of how you guys have acted, I'm not going to tell you what he said.

Speaker 9 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 9 In that case, sing again. Wow.

Speaker 9 Can't do it. Can't do it.

Speaker 13 Don't make me sing. Don't make me sing.

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Speaker 10 This is the Dan Lebatar Show with the Stugats.

Speaker 2 You wanted to ask her something, Zaz, before we got carried away with hijinks?

Speaker 15 Thank you, my son. Mina, were you shocked at the end of the last episode of Chair Company?

Speaker 13 We haven't watched the last episode yet. No, no, like two episodes.

Speaker 2 The second, the last one. There's not

Speaker 2 the last one is not as shocking as the one before. Spoiler alert.

Speaker 13 Okay, so it's a perfect example, Zaz as of like how no because i've watched i think you should leave and i'm familiar with the oeuvre but i was like watching that and thinking if you were not if you have not watched this man's work you must be like just befuddled by what you're seeing on your television.

Speaker 15 Okay, that's actually how, that's actually how I'm experiencing it now, Mina, because I started watching the chair company and now I've been watching I Think You Should Leave.

Speaker 2 He started with friendship. He started Tim Robinson with friendship and said he got secondhand awkward embarrassment.

Speaker 15 I didn't know if I was going to be able to finish the movie.

Speaker 13 I have a little Tim Robinson zipline guy behind me, by the way.

Speaker 13 That's not a meme prop. That's a.

Speaker 13 That's literally just a prop that's relevant to the discussion.

Speaker 13 Yeah, you should watch. I think you should leave.
Watch the first season.

Speaker 13 Oh, you sorry. Okay, sorry.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 I feel like if, yeah, I mean,

Speaker 13 it, how do I explain? It is just like an embrace of like randomness that doesn't really exist

Speaker 13 in comedy, right? Like we're just like no one

Speaker 13 can predict anything that anyone's about to say, say. It's like it's a in a world where like increasingly every content is just AI spitting out like, hey, what's the next sentence going to be?

Speaker 13 AI could never write a single line of dialogue or scene in a show like this because it only comes from the most demented brains on earth.

Speaker 15 I made my older son sit down and watch I Think You Should Leave With Me. He got mad at me.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that's a common experience of people watching I think you should think about it.

Speaker 2 I think that's something. I've told you guys the story that I was with my brother's fiancé at a loud place

Speaker 2 and I was recommending the show to her and she thought I was being mean because she couldn't hear me and I just kept saying, I think you should leave.

Speaker 9 That's actually a great sketch for that show.

Speaker 2 Who do you imagine is going to win Colts off a bye versus Kansas City? And I will say,

Speaker 2 if you have not listened to the Lenny show featuring Mina Kimes, it has a lot of information in it. It is a data dump unlike anything I have heard in analysis, the way she geeks out on the

Speaker 2 specifics of where the advantages are.

Speaker 2 So when you see that game, you introduced me to the idea that the Bills, you weren't brave enough to pick the Bills against the Chiefs, but you said that game would go the way it would because you're like the Chiefs cannot stop the run up the middle and the Bills are great at running up the middle and you didn't trust the Bills enough.

Speaker 2 When you look at this particular game, it would seem to me that Jonathan Taylor is better on the outside that he is up the middle, but you see what happening there.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm going to pick the Colts in this, and we're going to, you know, break it down in more detail. But I think with the Chiefs,

Speaker 13 to me,

Speaker 13 it's a lot of things with the defense. I don't think they can get the kind of pass rush that it's going to disrupt Daniel Jones.

Speaker 13 And I think also with the Colts offense, so much of what they do is RPOs, play action, teams trying to stop the run. Those are things that the Chiefs are bad at as well.

Speaker 13 Stopping play action is a thing that comes to mind too. You saw the Chargers and what they did to them in week one, and that's been an issue all year long, just going after those linebackers.

Speaker 13 So I just think the way this Colts offense is built, they can attack Kansas City.

Speaker 13 And then on the other side of the ball, you know, the addition of Sas Gardner is big because I think to play the Chiefs, if you can play man coverage consistently, they just can't win, man.

Speaker 13 Like those receivers are not winning. And Travis Kelsey does his best work against Zone.
So I think that is going to help them a great deal in that matchup.

Speaker 15 How funny is the very fair sentence from Mina? I don't think the Chiefs are going to be able to disrupt Daniel Jones.

Speaker 13 Wild, right? What a time.

Speaker 18 Mina, a little thought exercise here.

Speaker 24 At the end of the college football season, Team A is 10-2, and then Team B is 10-2. They both have some solid wins, but team B beat Team A head-to-head.

Speaker 4 Who should be ranked higher?

Speaker 13 Is this about Notre Dame and Miami?

Speaker 14 It's about Team A and Team B.

Speaker 13 I'm just trying to guess because I'm really not locked in.

Speaker 14 Team A and Team B.

Speaker 13 I'm going to go with the team that's not Miami.

Speaker 27 I need you to horse.

Speaker 13 I have no idea. That was a joke.
I really don't know.

Speaker 26 Two minutes for boring.

Speaker 2 You can leave now, Mike.

Speaker 2 I think you should leave.

Speaker 22 There you go. So,

Speaker 2 can you give me Chris Cody? I want to play this for Mina if she hasn't heard it. Maybe she can guess on what this is.

Speaker 13 Is it

Speaker 13 people in Spain saying Let's Go Dolphins?

Speaker 2 It's a person. Let's see.
Let's go doling.

Speaker 13 Who is it?

Speaker 19 It's a pirate Ed Orgeron.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 it is Dan Marino in.

Speaker 2 Don Marino.

Speaker 14 It is Don Marino.

Speaker 9 Don Marino.

Speaker 26 Dan Marino not understanding how Let's Go Dolphins chant should be.

Speaker 25 How do you know he's not trying to change the chant? Let's go Dolphin Marino.

Speaker 17 Because he was in Spain. Get it?

Speaker 14 Don Marino.

Speaker 9 No, I got it.

Speaker 9 Just making sure.

Speaker 4 No, not for you.

Speaker 12 You were saying it.

Speaker 13 Where are we at? Well, let me tap into your guys. Where are we at on the Mike McDaniel? Like, are we full fire or we play this out?

Speaker 2 Well, I just think if you're stuck with the contracted quarterback, you wait for Tyreek Hill to get back and you put the bandage on it for next year because you don't want to sweep out your GM, your coach, and your quarterback all in the same year in a bad quarterback draft.

Speaker 2 Like you don't, you don't even have hope on the horizon, so might as well just bandage it up for a year. That's me.
I don't think that's the audience. I don't think that's

Speaker 2 the fan base, I think, wants everybody out here, even if they don't have a better solution.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Andy's five, Andy's 500 as a coach. Like,

Speaker 2 I understand why you're mad at him, but it's not like

Speaker 23 he doesn't know what he's doing offensively.

Speaker 13 The Bills game, I mean, what they did on the ground in that game, some of his, I mean, he's a brilliant run game designer. I think you saw that on display.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I've been like, when they fired Greer, I think my reaction was,

Speaker 13 I don't know if they're going to upgrade a Mike McDaniel this offseason. And so I'm in kind of agreement with you.
And I was surprised at how many Dolphins fans were upset about him, I guess.

Speaker 13 I understand you're losing, but pretty obviously, I don't think he's... on the list of problems with the team very high.

Speaker 12 Mina, would it work with a better quarterback or what kind kind of quarterback would that Mike McDaniel offense work better with?

Speaker 26 Maybe one that can move.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think that would be helpful. I think moving would be helpful.
Arm strength would be helpful.

Speaker 13 You know, the predictability of it makes it...

Speaker 19 Does Tua have any value?

Speaker 2 Does he have any trade value with that contract?

Speaker 13 I kind of don't.

Speaker 13 I think when I looked at it, it wasn't like if they traded him, it would be like that massive for another team. They would have to eat it.
But I think I just,

Speaker 13 can you imagine being a fan base of another team and that's your solution? Like, I don't think that would go over very well.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that said, you've heard me say before that I don't know how to untangle quarterback play from skill play.

Speaker 2 So Geno Smith goes to the Raiders and I'm like, oh, so when you have Smith and Jigba and Lockett and Metcalf, you can look like Geno Smith, even though when you leave him, you look like the Jets quarterback again.

Speaker 13 Yeah, and I think what I,

Speaker 13 you know, obviously had to eat a lot of crow on, is it crow? Are you eating crow?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's as wrong as you've been thinking the Raiders were going to be a good at offense because you're such a Pete Carroll, you know, biased person.

Speaker 13 Eat crow, I think. I don't know.
Where did that come from, by the way? Because somebody

Speaker 13 was. Yeah.
Okay. Somebody ate a crow and was like, that was a bad idea.
Well, so that was me.

Speaker 13 What I failed to identify, I think, most of all, was that how bad the Raiders' offensive line would be and how that would bring out Geno Smith's worst tendencies and make them worse.

Speaker 13 And I think that's what we're seeing. I I mean, you saw that on Monday, right? Like that it's non-playable, non-functional situation, but the quarterback is also amplifying it.

Speaker 13 So it's like bad things making other bad things worse.

Speaker 2 Can you look up Eat Crow for us, the origins of that? Because I don't know why. I understand the expression, but I don't know how it began and why anyone is eating crow.

Speaker 12 Looks like it's a folk tale or comes from a folk tale around the 1850 describing the humiliation of being forced to eat an unappetizing crow.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't imagine the crow. I imagine

Speaker 2 in terms of the birds, the crow would be the least of the appetizing birds, right?

Speaker 11 Dirty bird.

Speaker 13 Pigeon is worse than crow. I'd rather eat crow.

Speaker 2 The falcon was a dirty bird.

Speaker 13 Falcon's probably delicious.

Speaker 2 Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Lebitard Show. Is a falcon definitely delicious?

Speaker 13 Is squab pigeon?

Speaker 2 Is

Speaker 9 what is it?

Speaker 13 Because I've eaten squab.

Speaker 9 I don't know what squab is.

Speaker 11 Unless that's a made-up bird.

Speaker 13 know. It's not a made-up bird.
What is

Speaker 2 it?

Speaker 2 What is squab? I don't know what squab is.

Speaker 13 Quail. Squab's quail.
Squab's quail.

Speaker 9 Okay, quail.

Speaker 9 I've never eaten pigeon.

Speaker 11 Quail eggs, by the way, very small.

Speaker 9 That is correct.

Speaker 14 You know, when you're looking around the eggs, you're like, what are those? So small. Mina,

Speaker 16 always lovely to see you.

Speaker 2 Don't be a stranger. Again, I will remind everybody around here: the podcast is exceptional.

Speaker 2 Lenny is better than she is, but Mina is also pretty good. And it's the Mina Kime featuring Lenny.

Speaker 18 You're going to give her the death metal.

Speaker 2 One more time. You want to do a promo as a death metal the death metal person for the Lenny show featuring Mina Kimes?

Speaker 13 Oh wow.

Speaker 13 I love cookies, but not as much as I love the Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny.

Speaker 2 It's it's a very good show, and I'm telling you,

Speaker 2 per square inch, there is not more football information

Speaker 2 that you can get stuffed in your face. Who are you doing it with today?

Speaker 13 Well, not you thought Ben Solak was Bill Barnwell when you texted me about it. I still appreciated you listening to it.
I think that's the first time that's ever happened. But

Speaker 13 this last week, Dominique and I do it every Tuesday. And then on Thursdays, we have a preview that comes out every Thursday morning.

Speaker 13 And this week, I'm having my friend Luke Stern at it on, but every week it's different.

Speaker 2 It's nice seeing you. Thank you for stopping by.
by.

Speaker 2 You were looking for to play for her that six second of her yammering where she got sort of stuck on a treadmill and you never found it.

Speaker 2 And now I'm left with 10 seconds of a segment where I thought I was just going to conclude it with 10 seconds of Mina trying to talk and failing.

Speaker 2 Instead, it's me trying to talk and definitely failing.

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