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Speaker 7 Dan is still in New York.

Speaker 12 We're here in Miami.

Speaker 13 It's cold here.

Speaker 12 It is a little bit cold cold here.

Speaker 14 I walked out. It was a little nipply, right?

Speaker 9 Is it nipply? Yeah, nippy.

Speaker 15 Nipply. I say nipply.

Speaker 9 It's both nippy.

Speaker 16 It's a little nipply.

Speaker 9 It's not both.

Speaker 8 I've never heard somebody say it's a little nipply outside.

Speaker 9 Well, may I have.

Speaker 13 I have heard someone say it's nipply outside, but not about the weather.

Speaker 17 Hey.

Speaker 18 Tell you what, though.

Speaker 12 I woke up feeling good today. Yeah.

Speaker 15 I don't know if you guys are aware.

Speaker 6 Seems like the Florida Panthers might be back, baby.

Speaker 19 Come on now. We're clawing back.

Speaker 9 Come on now. Turn that corner.

Speaker 11 I think think I figured this whole thing out with the Florida Panthers because they can be a certain level of hurt, but once they pass that threshold of hurt and get even more hurt, then they seem to struggle.

Speaker 5 So they were, for a little bit here,

Speaker 7 they were over that threshold you're saying.

Speaker 8 That's right.

Speaker 11 But now you have Rhege back. You have Lister Reinan back.
All of a sudden, Sam Bennett finds his form.

Speaker 18 You got the defenseman scoring some goals.

Speaker 12 God forbid.

Speaker 23 Seth Jones.

Speaker 9 Cats are clawing back.

Speaker 12 Seth Jones, my dog. I don't know if you know about that.

Speaker 9 Roy, get to the table. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I think I figured it out.

Speaker 19 How many points back are we?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 24 I think there are three back of the

Speaker 8 third and like four back in the division.

Speaker 12 But they have games in hand. Games in hand.

Speaker 4 I love games in hand. I think I figured it out.

Speaker 9 More of the players need to have babies. Corner Berhage.

Speaker 23 He's on that baby bump right now.

Speaker 24 Get after it, guys.

Speaker 11 What do they say about a game in hand?

Speaker 13 We're two in the bush.

Speaker 11 That's exactly what they say.

Speaker 9 Look at me, hockey guy.

Speaker 12 When's Kazhuk coming back?

Speaker 9 Should be in about a week.

Speaker 9 What are you talking about?

Speaker 11 He's my favorite.

Speaker 4 I like that guy.

Speaker 9 Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 What a great guy.

Speaker 16 All right. It's all coming together, boys.

Speaker 11 That's pretty much the only story people were talking about in sports yesterday.

Speaker 9 It was a big one. Look, if

Speaker 6 you go into Salt Lake City and you take out the mammoth.

Speaker 9 Is that a real team?

Speaker 9 Yes, it's a real team. The Utah mammoth? There's no way.
Yes. That's fake.

Speaker 9 You guys are messing with me. Seriously.

Speaker 9 That's not real.

Speaker 10 Is it just one mammoth? It's just one mammoth.

Speaker 18 Definitely nothing else going on in sports yesterday.

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 25 This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stukats Podcast.

Speaker 27 Zaszlo taketh away and Zaslo giveth because I was about to ask Amin

Speaker 27 and

Speaker 27 I was about to ask Tony and Pablo to give me the nickname of the Utah hockey team team, and he took it away from me right at the end of the shadow show.

Speaker 27 But he did give me, and I like this trade, nippy or nipply, because I do like that 63 degrees in Miami is nipply.

Speaker 27 As I freeze off my frozen diamond nipples here, where it's 20 degrees, but also worry about the Cleveland-Chicago Bears game this weekend, where it's going to be negative 20 degrees.

Speaker 27 That seems like the most awful way to ever play football. Minus 20 degrees, I would cancel the game.
That's unfair to human beings.

Speaker 27 That is wrong to human beings.

Speaker 27 Peanut Tellman, who is no coward, said he once played on a Chicago field, ran out on the field and said, I don't want to play today. I'd like to go back into the locker room.

Speaker 27 Football is not something I'd like to do today. Yes, I mean.

Speaker 13 Dan, I don't mind them playing in that weather, but I do mind having to go watch them play in that weather. What about all those people just sitting there freezing their ass off?

Speaker 13 At least the football players have adrenaline. They're running around.
They're scared. They're excited.
They've got all these emotions going on.

Speaker 11 You have those big ninja turtle disguise jackets.

Speaker 9 Absolutely.

Speaker 13 You can't see the half shell under that jacket. What about the poor person just sitting there and roll XXX

Speaker 13 in section 655 freezing their ass off in that nipply weather, according to Zaslow?

Speaker 27 Put it on the pool at Levittard show, nippy or nipply. But you're right.

Speaker 27 I mean, the people paying for the privilege to be out in negative 20 degrees when they could be home while the player is being paid to do that does make it different but pablo i uh i was asking dominique this the other day as we walked down the new york streets and this is just 25 30 degrees here in in new york i'm like It has to hurt more to play football in this kind of cold.

Speaker 27 Would you not imagine that the bones and everything, physically,

Speaker 27 by science, that all of it hurts more and he looks at me and he says once you reach a certain level of pain that's the amount of pain there is and in football the pain is ever present and everywhere so there's no difference between playing it in negative 20 degrees and playing it in normal weather but i would think it would be horrific to play football in negative 20 degrees i've learned that i should not try to relate to football players um they have opted into a sport premised on consensual concussions, Dan.

Speaker 5 The idea that Dominique was walking around like with cutoff sleeves. He wasn't wearing a jacket.
He was wearing like a vest over a hoodie.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I find it hard to trump Dominique on the question of you guys are weak.

Speaker 27 The pain threshold is something that I don't understand as we criticize certain football players for being soft.

Speaker 5 Why is Mike looking like that?

Speaker 11 Have you ever watched an NFC North broadcast? Everything hurts more in the cold.

Speaker 20 And I've Googled this.

Speaker 11 It's actually backed by science. Your muscles are tighter.
Your joints are stiffer.

Speaker 19 Everything hurts more in the cold.

Speaker 11 It just means more in the North Division.

Speaker 27 Put it on the poll, please, at Lebatard Show. Does everything hurt more in the cold?

Speaker 27 You guys want to guess, just guess how many teams when you talk about the Panthers?

Speaker 27 And I will get to Michigan in a second, and I will get to Notre Dame because I'm not letting Bavacwa go yet, no matter how poorly Michigan behaves. I've got to talk more about the Bavaqua thing.

Speaker 27 But does, I'm just going to throw this to the room.

Speaker 27 You guys want to guess in the Eastern Conference for the Florida Panthers how many teams are under 500 when you talk about where it is the Panthers are in the standings?

Speaker 27 Does anyone in there want to guess under 500 teams in the conference? Because

Speaker 27 I honestly didn't think that what I'm about to say was actually possible in any reasonable way.

Speaker 26 Guesses?

Speaker 20 Yeah, we follow the sport a little bit down here.

Speaker 11 We're Tidal Town and a hard press to find one.

Speaker 4 I know Buffalo is pretty bad, but it's really hard to play.

Speaker 18 Columbus is probably under 500.

Speaker 11 It's really hard to make the playoffs in that sport. Everyone appears to be pretty solid and nothing is given in the NHL.

Speaker 27 How many teams? This is crazy, though. There's one team and it's two games under 500.
There's one team in the entire conference.

Speaker 27 You're only playing teams that win more than they lose in the conference.

Speaker 8 Oh, but you're talking about, you're not counting the overtime losses. You're just talking about regulation wins and losses, right?

Speaker 26 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 8 Well, all right. Yeah, then just one.

Speaker 27 Yeah, yeah you're right okay but the overtime wins and losses because somebody's got to be an overtime winner or loser right like i'm i i'm i'm just talking about bad teams like the idea you're saying buffalo is pretty bad and okay but they

Speaker 27 you know that the the conference is loaded and the reason that the panthers are struggling is not actually because they're struggling their record is fine They just play in a sport and in a conference where that record's not fine enough to get into the playoffs.

Speaker 27 And then you got what's happening. I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Zaszlo.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's a sport where if you get off to a slow start, which the Panthers have, it's really difficult to gain ground because of these overtime losses, because of the three-point game.

Speaker 8 So, like, they find themselves in a spot where they have to dig out of a hole and it's hard.

Speaker 11 We've said for several years that this is a sport that, unlike some of the other majors, can certainly afford to expand because there are so many good teams in this sport.

Speaker 11 There are very few embarrassments in that sport. It's not at all like the NBA.
Teams don't tank. Everyone is in the mix for the playoffs, it would appear.

Speaker 27 Tony, you gave away your hand when it is you said, wait a minute, that's not a real team. The Utah Mammoth is not a real team.

Speaker 27 So you're a vote for you would not have gotten correct the nickname of the Utah Mammoth. I mean, would you be honest here? Would you have known that the Utah team was known by the singular mammoth?

Speaker 31 Yes.

Speaker 27 All right, penalize him for lying, please. Get him out of the room because he's suspicious and somebody hit him with a penalty for lying.
What do you look?

Speaker 27 You're clearly lying. You did not know that the Utah team was the mammoth.

Speaker 13 Wait, so hold on. So you're just basically saying, I'm going to ask you a question, and I already think I know the answer.
And if the answer doesn't jive, then clearly you're lying.

Speaker 13 You sound like well, you look suspicious.

Speaker 27 No, but there's circumstantial evidence that you looked all around the room and you looked really suspicious when you said that.

Speaker 9 Minor penalty, two minutes.

Speaker 4 Tremendous.

Speaker 1 Ask me again. Play on.

Speaker 13 Ask me again, and I'll answer again. And let's see if I can do it less suspicious, I guess.

Speaker 27 Amin, did you know that the name of the hockey team in Utah was the singular mammoth?

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 11 I don't think it's a singular mammoth. I think that's the plural of mammoth.

Speaker 27 Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show is the plural of mammoth mammoth.

Speaker 16 I would have thought the plural is mamma.

Speaker 23 But they've only been to mammoth for 32 games, so I guess you can get a ref.

Speaker 20 Yeah, we could have, we would have accepted Utah Hockey Club.

Speaker 9 Unluckily for you, I knew it.

Speaker 27 You make a ruling here.

Speaker 27 Get out of the room, Amin.

Speaker 28 Respect the penalties, please.

Speaker 27 Is the plural of mammoth mammoth?

Speaker 5 Like deer, the plural of mammoth is mammoth.

Speaker 27 Jeremy, do you have an official ruling from the internet?

Speaker 21 Yeah, according to the club itself, mammoths is the plural.

Speaker 24 But the reason that they've used mammoth is to show one Utah.

Speaker 30 One hockey club, one mammoth.

Speaker 5 Oh, for crying out loud.

Speaker 31 I'm going to go with Pablo on this one. What is Utah?

Speaker 5 I regret weighing in on this debate.

Speaker 27 Did you know that

Speaker 27 the nickname of the Utah hockey team was the mammoth? Yes or no?

Speaker 5 Absolutely not.

Speaker 27 Okay, I did not either. That is why I am asking the question, but I felt alone and insecure.
And now that I have the company of other incompetents, I feel better for

Speaker 27 my misery and ignorance.

Speaker 27 Getting back to, and we will get to the Michigan story, as much of it as we can to, because I do think we need to be responsible about some of the details here.

Speaker 27 But it is fairly shocking to see a 39-year-old coach in a dream job fired and fired, according to the university, sending out a statement for an inappropriate relationship with a staffer.

Speaker 27 And then hours later, he's in custody. And I'm assuming he's still in custody.
And this has to be a special kind of misery to see everything fall apart for you.

Speaker 27 And again, there are other victims here other than Sharon Moore, allegedly, but there is a a guy in prison who just had his dream job or just threw away his dream job and allowed Michigan to get out from under that contract.

Speaker 27 Before I do that, because I want to better understand what has happened this week to Notre Dame, would you guys agree, would there be any disagreement from Miami at all with the statement I'm about to make, which is, if what just happened to Notre Dame happened to the college team of anyone listening to this program, they would be as angry as Bavacwa is.

Speaker 27 If the same exact thing had happened, where for a month as a made-for-television spectacle, you're in the playoff by ranking. You do nothing to lose that ranking by losing a football game.

Speaker 27 You do nothing but win your games the rest of the way. The hypothetical team of every single person listening to this show, everybody would be as mad as Bavacwa is, correct?

Speaker 27 Without a single dissension,

Speaker 27 you'd get total consensus on that when you get no consensus on anything at sports. Yes, Jeremy.

Speaker 32 I mean, it has happened to me.

Speaker 21 My team won every single game and didn't get included in the ESPN CFP Invitational.

Speaker 32 And that was a result of never being included.

Speaker 21 There is a difference between what Notre Dame got, which is the T's, but my team for two straight seasons, by the way, won every single game and never sniffed it.

Speaker 18 But Mike, I know, has a take on that.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Yeah, I was driven crazy by the mere specter of being screwed with head-to-head not mattering.

Speaker 11 I think the difference is, though, like, Pete Bavakwa has been very effective in changing the narrative.

Speaker 15 It's not because of mean tweets or re-airs that they're left out.

Speaker 11 And he has convinced a nation and that fan base that wanted a pound of flesh that that is indeed the case.

Speaker 11 The reason that they are out is because of Greg Sankey's shadowy hand over the process, and he does not have the stones for that fight.

Speaker 13 Definitely not because of my tweets. And also, Zaz, you know about that specter no i'm gonna learn though

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Speaker 27 Jeremy, Jeremy, it didn't happen to you because part of this betrayal is the duping.

Speaker 27 You never thought Central Florida was going to be in the playoffs based on where it is that it was ranked by a committee for a month in a made-for-television spectacle.

Speaker 30 That's right.

Speaker 32 But then the next season, when we went into the season, they said, well, surely that won't happen again.

Speaker 19 Sure.

Speaker 14 If you go undefeated a second straight year, maybe we'll include you.

Speaker 21 And then we did just that.

Speaker 30 So the first time around, we had to claim a national championship.

Speaker 32 And the second time, we were like, well, you know, screw you guys. I guess we'll go lose by a touchdown to Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and Justin Jefferson with our backup quarterback.

Speaker 27 I could argue that what happened to Jeremy's Central Florida team is worse.

Speaker 27 But this did not happen, okay? Where you're watching for a month your school win nine games. You're watching a made-for-television special for a month in which you're always in the playoffs.

Speaker 27 And then you watch over the month a month of arguing of, hey, if Miami beat Notre Dame, shouldn't Miami be ahead of Notre Dame?

Speaker 27 And then you look up one day when you're watching the selection committee make its selection and you're no longer in it.

Speaker 27 We're in agreement that there's not anybody out there who would say they weren't mad if that happened to their team.

Speaker 27 So my question after that is, and I asked this yesterday and I didn't get a satisfactory answer. How could Bavakwa have handled this better?

Speaker 27 Somebody tell me what is the correct way to advocate on behalf of your constituency when it feels this wrong and your job is to advocate on behalf of this constituency.

Speaker 5 Look, this is politics, and I say that very simply because the question of what should Pete Bavakwa be doing is not how do you appeal to the largest possible audience of fans in America.

Speaker 5 It's how does he represent the people he has to be worried about, which are Notre Dame fans.

Speaker 5 I don't know how you do this well. I think the entire thing is a contest of who do you like less and you will root against that entity and Notre Dame is clearly the most unliked.
And so people

Speaker 5 with Dan, I just think he was doing exactly what he's incentivized to do.

Speaker 27 I think he has done it well, though. If I just take out the,

Speaker 27 you know, the petty

Speaker 27 complaining about the ACC, if I just take that part out, I think his language is the right language to use on behalf of your fan base. Farce, you know, punched in the stomach.

Speaker 27 Mike, you tell me if Miami's athletic director had to get out in front of the public when everybody hates Miami the way that they hate Notre Dame and they would enjoy the tears of somebody whimpering in public.

Speaker 27 What is the language you would want used?

Speaker 11 Well, Dan Radikovich did put out a letter,

Speaker 11 which I was happy to see.

Speaker 11 Honestly, while everything was happening, personally, truly, I wish Dan Radikovich did more. I think Pete Babakwa has done well to make his fan base happy as they are angry after the fact.

Speaker 11 But I think he got caught with his pants down here a little bit, Dan, because you should have seen this coming. You should have been campaigning.
You should have been working the narrative.

Speaker 11 You have so many media partners. You have this huge platform with Notre Dame.
You should have been getting the message out there.

Speaker 29 Alabama, we're better than them.

Speaker 19 Oklahoma, we're better than them.

Speaker 11 The debate should have been. firmly from the Notre Dame side, Alabama versus Notre Dame headed into that SEC championship game.

Speaker 11 And then everybody would have been viewing that SEC championship game in which Alabama had negative three rushing yards through the prism of Alabama versus Notre Dame.

Speaker 11 Their whole plan was just, this is why they're upset about the tweets and the re-airs was hoping they could get away with head-to-head not mattering and being upset that people are calling it into

Speaker 15 public light Zaz.

Speaker 6 Well, is all of their fan base happy with the way Bavacois is handling this whole thing?

Speaker 6 Because you would assume, just from the outside looking in, you would assume that everyone would understand, an unbiased fan here would understand understand why Notre Dame is unhappy, yet somehow Notre Dame, who seemingly got screwed, everyone is dunking on them now, and everyone seemingly hates them even more than we thought that they did based on the things that Babacois is talking about.

Speaker 13 So, like, is he actually doing a good job?

Speaker 27 This is the part that's weird to me, Zaz.

Speaker 27 If you believe in the idea of confirmation bias, okay,

Speaker 27 all that anyone is waiting for is anyone from Notre Dame to say anything so that they can simply reverse the entirety of their opinion and be like, oh, they were wronged goes to, no, they're wrong for complaining about being wrong.

Speaker 27 Like, I have not seen, I'm not kidding you when I say I just haven't seen a lot of things like this happen where I'm on the front end and I am seeing that Notre Dame is wronged.

Speaker 27 Their athletic director comes out and does what you have to do, which is complain that you've been been wronged.

Speaker 27 And as soon as he does that, everyone says, no, you're wrong for complaining about being wrong, even though, about being wronged, even though we too would be complaining about being wronged.

Speaker 27 Any single person who's a fan who has complained about the officiating after a game, if you've complained about the officiating after any game that you've lost, This is something, this right here, what just happened, you think you have a team that's good enough to win the national championship and you're being denied the right to play for that game.

Speaker 27 It's just not something I've seen a whole lot of. And I believe it's just because people were looking for an excuse to dunk on Notre Dame.
They do it to Miami. And I think maybe Alabama.

Speaker 27 And I think those are the three programs. I don't think this happens to Ohio State.
I don't think it happens to Michigan.

Speaker 27 I think there's plenty of hate, but I don't think the nation at large laughs at someone being wrong this way unless it's only three schools. Is there a fourth?

Speaker 27 Do you guys have a fourth school that you would say that you could imagine a scenario where this happens, where someone who is articulating something and is right in articulating it is just wrong because of who he is and what he represents.

Speaker 27 And now this person, we only know his name because of this. Zaslow is sitting here enjoying this joyride, this amusement park of Bavacwa, only to make fun of him.

Speaker 27 So this person exists and is defined by he's a whimpering coward.

Speaker 5 The contrast, though, and the reason why I respect Bavacqua is because this has been a college football month in which Lane Kiffen leaves for LSU because he doesn't care about the playoff, right?

Speaker 5 Like he's like, actually, there's a bigger game here. This sport is about something bigger actually than the wins on the field.

Speaker 5 And Bavakwa is acting as every, to your point, as I think every college football fan would want their program to act, which is to be, again, I get it, truly insufferable in defense of their honor.

Speaker 5 Like you have to pick a fight.

Speaker 26 You can't be trampled on.

Speaker 5 Like that's the whole thing.

Speaker 6 That's the whole thing.

Speaker 5 The playoff matters that much.

Speaker 27 The writing of a letter. He can't stay quiet, right? That's not one of the choices.

Speaker 28 Your choices are fairly absolute here.

Speaker 27 Your choice is to

Speaker 27 make a loud complaint. It's not simply to send out a statement that has some grace in it, right? That wins him nothing with his constituency.
Saying, oh, it's okay.

Speaker 27 Like the pulling of the bowl game, the taking your ball and going home. I suppose that's something that didn't have to be done if you don't want people to react poorly to you.

Speaker 27 But I just don't think you can do this quietly if you're him.

Speaker 27 I think, do you think Bavakwa's sitting here thinking he made any mistakes here?

Speaker 27 Do you guys believe, as you see what's happening here, do you think Bavacwa goes home to his family and says, I erred here?

Speaker 5 The question is persuadable voters. Notre Dame doesn't have a lot of those.

Speaker 5 There are not a lot of people who are like, you know what, I was on the fence about Notre Dame, but Bavakwa's elegance and dignity in defending their college football position, that changed my mind.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 there's nothing he could have done, as far as I can tell, that would have resulted in anything different other than being as, again, and I get it, being as loud and indignant as possible about someone questioning whether they deserved this.

Speaker 11 I think he could have been proactive instead of reactionary. I do think that stuff matters.
Ultimately, you're talking about 13 human beings that are under pressure, listening to every criticism.

Speaker 11 And I think when it came to Miami versus Notre Dame and the head-to-head thing, the volume on that stuff mattered to me.

Speaker 13 You guys aren't asking the right questions right now. The right question was asked in the chat, actually.
Shout out to the YouTube chat.

Speaker 27 Is this Pablo's first time wearing a hoodie?

Speaker 13 Because he's got the drawstrings tied up like it is when it first ships to you. No one ever has their drawstrings like that.

Speaker 9 Take a look at

Speaker 9 a guy.

Speaker 5 His drawstrings. Look at that.

Speaker 13 Who does that?

Speaker 27 He's a gift to journalism. He has wrapped himself in a bow.

Speaker 34 And a fraud.

Speaker 5 And this is

Speaker 5 also advertising

Speaker 5 a day with Method Man, and Pablo Torre finds out.

Speaker 9 Wait a minute.

Speaker 20 So he was clearly just given this.

Speaker 13 So it is a brand new hoodie.

Speaker 19 No,

Speaker 9 Mike.

Speaker 18 Yep. Mike.

Speaker 20 Yes, we were at.

Speaker 15 Where did I get this?

Speaker 5 Where did I get this?

Speaker 11 It was April 20th. I can remember that much.

Speaker 11 And it was at a RISA concert, and it was pre-COVID.

Speaker 9 Jeremy, why are you comfortable calling Pablo a fraud?

Speaker 27 And he was so involved in his self-involvement that he didn't even hear the accusation of you calling him.

Speaker 5 I'm fighting lots of different wars right now, Dan. Jordan Hudson's threatening to sue me.

Speaker 5 Nick Wright is litigating his own reporting with me as I continue to litigate it with him on Twitter as we speak. Phil Mickelson threatened to send us a legal letter.

Speaker 5 Steve Ballmer, obviously, is somebody who is actively trying to make sure that the NBA's investigation is not proceeding, in my view, into my work with the level of rigor that it deserves.

Speaker 5 You know, the Chinese government we investigated, the House Oversight Committee is investigating, frankly, a company that was started to steal the brainwaves from athletes um

Speaker 27 the nba has another investigation into the gambling stuff related to malik beasley that we're responsible for um roy isolate that hiccup of sound so that we can embarrass pablo with it and how uh professional communicators stumbled through all of that but jeremy answer my accusation uh why are you calling him publicly a fraud and he's fighting so many wars that he doesn't even hear the accusation because he's clearly never worn that hoodie before you can see hat

Speaker 19 you've never worn that hoodie if you're now tying it and if and if you are what a crazy decision to tie that hoodie brian again to the witness stand that hoodie is at least seven years old that's not the question that's not the question he's worn you can see him buy it yeah i saw him purchase the hoodie did you see him then wear the hoodie on a separate occasion outside of that first time that he wore it and were the drawstrings still tied when he wore it why is why do you not believe us why are you not answering the question i have I feel like you're avoiding the question.

Speaker 22 I'm not answering the question, but you're not allowing me the opportunity to.

Speaker 13 This is not a pulpit, sir. You're going to answer the question and only the question.

Speaker 11 I have seen him out a handful of times since he purchased the hoodie and been like, hey, that's a hoodie we bought at that 420 thing.

Speaker 13 And were the drawstings tried?

Speaker 19 That's a new development.

Speaker 9 Okay.

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Speaker 35 How do you know I'm smiling? That's how I find my vocal range. Sometimes I just say Savannah bananas.

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Speaker 9 Yeah.

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Speaker 27 I am honestly surprised by the restraint that Pablo just showed in talking about some of this.

Speaker 27 He's a star bleeper and a name-dropper, but he left out what I thought was the most interesting detail that links both the Method Man episode that he's talking about on Pablo Torre finds out and that hoodie.

Speaker 27 And I'm just surprised he didn't share it.

Speaker 27 just before I share it is it because you don't want to spoil the end of the episode because I really thought you'd brag about what Method Man did for you toward the end of that podcast interview because I couldn't believe that I got to sit in the middle of that.

Speaker 27 And I think Mike Ryan, at least I know, I think Mike Ryan would be jealous of what Method Man did for us. But Pablo, what are you willing to reveal here?

Speaker 5 I am

Speaker 5 processing a lesson from yesterday's show in which it turned out that me being the guy who finds out stuff, if I talk about it too much, becomes really unlikable.

Speaker 5 And so I'm hoping that other people talk about the stuff that I found out for me.

Speaker 5 Because again, many different fronts, many different wars. But did I get to listen to the secret Wu-Ten?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I knew it.

Speaker 9 I knew it.

Speaker 14 You did?

Speaker 5 I was telling people back here.

Speaker 15 It's like, it has to be the Skirelli vinyl.

Speaker 4 He's got access to the Skirelli vinyl.

Speaker 19 What's it good?

Speaker 30 We're in Shkrelli mode.

Speaker 27 So if you don't know who Skirelli is, he's the most hated of the pharma bros who jacked up and gouged people with medical prices on medicine because he had access to it and no one else did.

Speaker 27 And then with that, he spent how many millions of dollars to buy the single copy of this Wu-Tang album that no one has heard?

Speaker 5 Multiple millions. I believe it's around $2 million.

Speaker 27 Okay. And yeah,

Speaker 28 it is.

Speaker 5 It's one of the craziest things that's ever happened. And Method Man's perspective as a guy, again, and Method Man, Dan and Method Man, just to be clear, like, are disturbingly intimate friends.

Speaker 5 And one of the things that I think that you guys in the Shipping Container and the Wu-Tang clan have in common is that there are a zillion of you.

Speaker 5 And how to manage the artistic integrity of everyone is hard. And so Method Man was asked, apparently, will you submit a couple of tracks?

Speaker 5 Just like rap over these beats without knowing anything about the project, submitted it to Rizza.

Speaker 5 And he learned later that this was all in the service of a Wu-Tang double album one of one that got auctioned off for multiple millions of dollars and was bought by a guy sentenced to, I believe, various fraud charges successfully by the U.S.

Speaker 5 government years later, and then realized, oh,

Speaker 5 I might have done this differently. And yet, he does have the tracks on his phone.

Speaker 27 What is happening with the war you are presently fighting with Nick Wright that has made you realize that you came off as unlikable yesterday.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 The thing that I'm struggling with is I love argument, debate, sports, television. I've worked at ESPN for 13 years.

Speaker 5 PTI, Tony and Mike both are the foremost examples of people who left journalism to do that stuff.

Speaker 5 And so I want to be very respectful when I say that I think Journalism in sports is basically going extinct. I worked worked at two places, Dan, that are now either dead or zombified.

Speaker 5 Sports Illustrated and ESPN, the magazine. Real Sports at HBO is dead.
HBO Sports fundamentally is basically dead. And the reason why is because truth is a bad business.

Speaker 5 Because it is a lot more fun and a lot easier, despite how good, by the way, how genuinely awesome Nick is at arguing about sports. And yes.
And Tony and Mike are the greatest, in my opinion.

Speaker 5 And Stephen A. and Skip Bayless, and that's that tree we all know.

Speaker 5 The thing that I struggle with is how to explain to people why journalism is both good business and also a lot harder than you think, such that the people who chose to do the easier thing can't simply say, Oh, I could do that if I wanted to.

Speaker 5 Because it's not merely that you're not, it's that maybe you should.

Speaker 5 Just from a perspective of like, what do we need more of?

Speaker 27 Well, when you say, though, unlikable, and I throw this to the group here because I have found that over the course of the last 20 years of changing how it is that I behave within the construct of this while also obviously respecting not just sports journalism, but journalism, it is a losing fight optically on whether or not you're going to be likable, not unlike what's happening with Notre Dame.

Speaker 27 If the starting point is I'm putting in front of the American people the job title of journalist, the starting point of that conversation is I don't like that person.

Speaker 29 I don't like what that person does.

Speaker 27 I don't value what it is that journalism is. I don't technically understand or care about what journalism is, the way that people are practicing it is.

Speaker 27 So if I went around the country right now and I just said to somebody, most unpopular professions, I think I'm getting journalist with lawyer and used car salesman and whatever is the distrusted form of I don't like.

Speaker 27 I don't know anything about that person and I don't like them already because what they do for a living is journalism. That's not because I grew up in a bubble of journalists growing up.

Speaker 27 I never realized this until legitimately. I didn't realize how bad it was until a moron wins the presidency running on a platform of those guys are phoning.

Speaker 5 I mean, my basic take here is that there's never been a bigger gap between what rich and powerful people want you to know and what they actually are doing. And in sports, that's especially true.

Speaker 5 Like there's a huge, everybody knows this. And by the way, I get it.
It's, it is risky. And I referenced tongue-in-cheekly all of the lawsuits that are threatened against my show.

Speaker 5 And I can tell you, Dan, that God bless our single lawyer, because there is a real actual cost potentially to that.

Speaker 9 It's not worth it. I know people.

Speaker 27 I know the cost.

Speaker 5 But you know that because this show is one of the things you chose to fund and no one else is doing that.

Speaker 5 And so the question of like, why did I, why did this bit in which I, I apparently hate Nick, even though I actually don't and I really respect him, but then he says things that actually make me just like my back sit up straight, it's because there's an insult to injury dynamic of like the choice of I'm not gonna do journalism has been made by everybody but a small handful of people because it is hard and expensive and it's hard to make a business.

Speaker 5 And my whole point, by the way, the reason why Method Man is on my show and why I do like taste testing athlete weed and why I interviewed a witch and why we do things that are absurd is because I want to show like journalism is also also fun.

Speaker 5 Like I love it. I love it in a way that I don't think I did five years ago, but now I just realize how

Speaker 5 much riskier and harder it is to do this in a way that, by the way, is beyond my capacity. I'm not the best journalist out there.

Speaker 4 Read Julie K.

Speaker 5 Brown of the Miami Herald, who like actually stopped Jeffrey Epstein. Read Don Van Atta at ESPN, formerly of the New York Times.
Read all of these people.

Speaker 5 And so the reason my back is up about this is just because I

Speaker 5 it's not about Nick. It's about the dismissiveness that people have around, oh, if we wanted to, we could.
And I'm like, I wish you would do that. And I also don't think you can.

Speaker 13 Dan, I have a theory I'd like to float by you. I was thinking about Pablo.
Why is Pablo so hated? And then I thought about Nick. I'm like, people hate Nick Wright too.
And then I thought about you.

Speaker 13 I'm like, people hate you too. And I thought about Stephen Stephen A.
I thought of all the other voices in the media that people hate. And I realized that one common denominator,

Speaker 13 you guys all have annoying voices.

Speaker 13 Everyone, every, Pobbles is tinny.

Speaker 26 Exactly.

Speaker 13 Dan's is whiny. Stephen A.

Speaker 27 is too boisterous.

Speaker 5 Hard to deny it with that club.

Speaker 13 Is there someone out there in the media who has, look, Ernie Johnson. Everyone loves Ernie Johnson.
Why? His voice is normal. No one thinks of it as annoying.

Speaker 13 But all the rest of you guys have really, really annoying voices.

Speaker 27 That's why people love me.

Speaker 13 Skip has an annoying voice. Zaz has an annoying voice.

Speaker 16 Jeremy. Every.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Jeremy's fine.

Speaker 23 My voice is fine, I mean, thank you.

Speaker 16 There you go.

Speaker 13 No one hates Roy. No one does.
No one hates Roy.

Speaker 26 Roy, the f off, man.

Speaker 27 Play that sound, please, of

Speaker 27 play that sound again of Pablo stumbling his way through communication as a professional Harvard debater.

Speaker 5 That's what my brain is like lately, by the way.

Speaker 27 That doesn't have any editing in it. That is clean, and that is exactly how it came out of his face.

Speaker 5 I sometimes don't realize that I'm accidentally scatting.

Speaker 9 That's not.

Speaker 5 I mean, the bip bop sounded like it was almost musical.

Speaker 27 I'm going to object to what it is that Amin is saying because I think annoying is second on the list of why it is all of those people,

Speaker 27 including myself, are hated. The next step on it is self-righteous, though.

Speaker 28 Like,

Speaker 27 what Pablo is articulating here that in his annoying voice, what he's articulating is the frustration of caring about something that other people don't care about, caring deeply about something that other people don't care about.

Speaker 27 And then the next step is on it, he's offended by the fact that not only do they not care about it, they think they understand what it takes to do it and they don't.

Speaker 27 And because they don't, they don't care about it.

Speaker 13 but then here's the part like Dan Patrick I would say if you really listen to him kind of self-righteous too especially when he talks about his exploits as a basketball player when he was young or whatever but Dan Patrick not an annoying voice everyone loves his voice yeah Rich Eisen a little self-righteous too especially when he's got his Hollywood friends in the studio Rich Eisen Not an annoying voice.

Speaker 13 You guys have annoying voices. If you had better voices, people would be more willing to tolerate your self-righteousness.

Speaker 27 Thank you for bringing that up because I don't think that Dan Patrick gives off a lot of self-righteous. He's not much of a strident opinion maker.

Speaker 27 Okay, apparently Amin does, but I'm going to share something that's uncomfortable to share because I've made plans with Dan Patrick while he's in town here and what he does because he knows the power of that voice and he also knows how annoying my voice is, what he does purposely.

Speaker 27 And no no other man in my life does this. No other man in my life is allowed to do this.
When he's on speakerphone, what you get in the most syrupy of sounds is, hello, Valerie.

Speaker 27 And he does it on purpose and it's offensive. Like he absolutely knows his voice is better than mine.
And so he comes off as I'm the better Dan. And he gets a little close to my wife with that voice.

Speaker 27 And I don't like it. And I've told him I don't like it.
and he keeps doing it. It's, it is disrespectful.
It, but it's done in such a good voice that I have to abide the disrespect.

Speaker 27 I can't do anything about it because all I do is sound like bavakwa in an annoying voice when I complain about it. And it makes me less likable to my wife that I'm like, Dan, that's like, stop.

Speaker 27 And he's just like, he just keeps doing it. It's like, hello, Valerie.
And he's just got a better voice than me. And it, I feel small.

Speaker 9 You'd be hosting Jeopardy.

Speaker 13 You'd be hosting Jeopardy if your voice wasn't like it is right now.

Speaker 27 Look at them laughing at me. I feel like Andrew Schultz's co-host here who's being dragged by the internet the way

Speaker 4 we're not going to do that.

Speaker 13 We're not going to do that to Akash, man.

Speaker 29 We're not? No.

Speaker 16 The internet's not going to do that.

Speaker 13 The internet can do whatever, but we're not going to do that here.

Speaker 27 I'm putting it on. I just made the comparison.
I just made the compare. I made the comparison.
I see Jeremy's face.

Speaker 17 Do you know how a fan of Mike Yostrebski has signed a two-year contract with the Atlanta Brave?

Speaker 23 He works hard.

Speaker 27 It's a good player.

Speaker 16 Yostremsky is grandma.

Speaker 9 He's a hard worker.

Speaker 26 What? No,

Speaker 27 that is not nepotism. That's not grandpa nepotism that Yostremsky is signed to a two-year deal by the Braves because his name is Yostremsky.
That's not what's happening there.

Speaker 27 I have to get to the Cyclones because you guys have a giant match on Friday. It's tomorrow.
There's going to be a lot of people there, right? You guys are going to get.

Speaker 27 We need everybody's support on this. We need Greg Cody to bring out a crowd.
Mike, what are you guys doing on Friday? It's a normal time. It's open to the public.
You got into the final.

Speaker 27 You got into the final in a matinee game that was closed to the public. How are we going to get people out there for you tomorrow? I need your support.

Speaker 11 This one is very much open to the public. It is free to attend.
It's going to be a great time at the Magic City Casino, the Frondon. There.

Speaker 20 It's Cyclones, it's Devils.

Speaker 11 Wow, amazing drinks, a great crowd. We are bringing the Clone Cartel out in full force.
There it is going to be a circus. We have a lot of tricks up our sleeve.

Speaker 20 You're going to want to be there for this electric environment.

Speaker 11 And hopefully, we can bring this home. We can raise another banner.

Speaker 20 We can win our second championship.

Speaker 25 We are favored to do so.

Speaker 9 Go, clones.

Speaker 9 I need your support.