Hour 1: Domonique Ruins The Interview (feat. Steve Williams)

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Speaker 18 We back.

Speaker 18 So on the Dominique Foxor Show,

Speaker 18 Charlie and I, after each show, determine whether we won or lost.

Speaker 18 And sometimes later on in the day, immediately after the show, sometimes we're right. And then later on in the day, we're like, hey, I think we took a loss.
Or, hey, keep the streak alive.

Speaker 18 I say that to say, at the end of today's show, we're going to have show awards as we did last time I was here. But we also need to determine whether we won game one or not.

Speaker 18 Cause we got a five-game series. We got a five-game series this week, and we got to get out here with a dub.
And I'm so, as I mentioned before, I'm so happy to have Hawkhair game one.

Speaker 17 He's clutch. So does that mean if we win the first three games, we just don't work Thursday, Friday?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I mean, that's how a series works, baby.

Speaker 2 So bring your A game. That's what it's saying.

Speaker 7 Bring your A game.

Speaker 20 That's the first thing of the NFL season, basically.

Speaker 17 How are we doing today so far? Are we up?

Speaker 18 I think we got a pretty good lead.

Speaker 14 It's a close ball game.

Speaker 10 We blew the lead with Dominique's follow-ups to Lewis here.

Speaker 21 They weren't great.

Speaker 15 No. We went out.

Speaker 2 Third quarter.

Speaker 18 I had a couple turnovers, baby. I had a hot start, got full of myself.
Yep. Had a couple turnovers.
Hand up. Another thing from the Dominique Foxroof show, accountability plays.
That's what we so.

Speaker 22 Went off you, coach.

Speaker 18 You take responsibility.

Speaker 2 A couple errors.

Speaker 18 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we don't tell if it went off us We just take responsibility if it did go off us like I is not the norm here No, no

Speaker 2 Losing ball well this losing ball this week.

Speaker 18 It's the norm. We're gonna be accountable.
Everybody's gonna be prepared and if you're not call out Charlie got in trouble yesterday because he took responsibility.

Speaker 18 I mean not in trouble, but he took responsibility. We had a ridiculous adventure to get here yesterday.

Speaker 2 It's a long day.

Speaker 2 I'll be accountable.

Speaker 10 I didn't quite fully understand what Pablo was trying to tell me through Charlie. I had no clue.

Speaker 8 But I did take the opportunity to find the funny out. Nice.

Speaker 14 So I was bad and good.

Speaker 18 The one thing that I can always say.

Speaker 24 Did you just take accountability for being good?

Speaker 14 For being good.

Speaker 25 Accountability is accountability.

Speaker 20 No matter what side of the fence it's on.

Speaker 2 I thought you were going to be able to get out.

Speaker 25 I'd like to point out that

Speaker 25 I stepped up to the plate and I want to be the bigger person and let everyone know that that was the case.

Speaker 23 If this was whose line is it anyways, you would have been happy I'm on your team.

Speaker 2 Because I could have been like, what are you?

Speaker 7 Wait, one more time, slow that down but nope not me

Speaker 2 out hand up i rule

Speaker 18 i love the post-gave press conference that's like hey he threw me the ball in the corner i was trapped in a bad spot but i got out of it i would like to take responsibility for how bad a spot pablo put me in before i made that shot anyway i got another random question guys i'm walking in here and looking around and who the hell is that Who do I...

Speaker 14 Stugats?

Speaker 26 That's not Stugatz.

Speaker 21 Not with that clean line. Yeah, it happened.

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 14 That was the day that for Halloween, he dressed up like damn.

Speaker 18 I don't believe you. You know who I think that is?

Speaker 2 I think that's Leroy.

Speaker 18 You trying to tell me that that nose is a white man's nose?

Speaker 7 That's a good question.

Speaker 2 That's Leroy, y'all.

Speaker 14 Look at his traps.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 what I'm doing.

Speaker 20 Stew Gods with those traps.

Speaker 2 Look at me, Leroy.

Speaker 23 Well, this is from the coloring book. Do you you think anyone was like, I don't know who this is? I'm just going to guess on the skin color.

Speaker 18 I have no clue how you can argue that that is not

Speaker 18 a black man who played baseball in the 70s.

Speaker 2 Right?

Speaker 18 Like, that's clearly a man who played baseball in the 70s, right?

Speaker 20 Can we look up how many black guys in the MLB in the 70s were named Leroy? Because I feel like it was a lot.

Speaker 20 I feel like the name Leroy was probably at its height in the 70s for black men in America.

Speaker 18 The super athletes used to go to baseball. And that thing, that kind of blows my mind to think about.

Speaker 18 We had this conversation before where there are lots of like incredible, outstanding, amazing, ridiculous athletes in sports that we've never really seen before.

Speaker 18 There was a time when baseball was what football is. And all the super athletes, like, you know what I want to do? I want to play baseball.

Speaker 7 It was the thing, man.

Speaker 20 That's what the money was, though. Yeah.
You got to follow the money. Like, Jackie Robinson could have probably been a Hall of Fame football player.
He was like one of the best in the country.

Speaker 20 So on this side, it's like, oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 21 You chose baseball.

Speaker 20 Like, then, no, that made all the sense in the world.

Speaker 2 Speaking of show awards, Andrew Hawkins got all the damn awards.

Speaker 18 This man is on all the lists. He was on, what was it, the Athletic New York Times, 50 under 40.
Yep, yep, yep. And today announced another award.
Did they actually give you a trophy for the SBJ one?

Speaker 7 I think there's a banquet that comes.

Speaker 20 Oh, and you get it at the banquet.

Speaker 8 Don't say, I think, winning.

Speaker 21 I don't know. I promise.

Speaker 18 I don't fake humble me.

Speaker 25 I promise.

Speaker 2 I do not know.

Speaker 18 I didn't love how Mike just pat himself on the back. Now I do.

Speaker 18 Because it's better. Just be real.
Just be real with it.

Speaker 14 Stand up.

Speaker 22 I've had a great year.

Speaker 20 I don't want to get a look at me Leroy. That's on me.
So it's better for you. I just, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I'll figure it out.

Speaker 20 If it doesn't come, I'm going to make my own trophy. There's no way out.

Speaker 25 Is there something wrong with that?

Speaker 18 There's no no no no. There's no way out of the look at look at me, Leroy, because you pretending like you got this great honor and just like, I don't know, I get so many of them, I can't keep up.

Speaker 18 I got banquets, I got no banquets.

Speaker 18 Some of them give me trophies, some of them don't. I'm just a man in this.

Speaker 20 I am very honored to be mentioned with some incredible names. Name some of the names.
Some good accountability business world. I haven't actually, I have not seen the list.

Speaker 13 Because you don't even care enough to look at the list.

Speaker 27 My man, don't even look at the list.

Speaker 28 I'm working.

Speaker 25 I am locked in.

Speaker 20 It came out today.

Speaker 30 I got a text while I'm on this show

Speaker 20 that I'm on the list. I have not seen it.
I have no idea who else is on the list.

Speaker 8 That is so cool.

Speaker 23 It's an honor to be not.

Speaker 20 I'm just honored to be listed with all the obstacles that I've had to go through to get to this point, Mike. You understand.
I do. At the buzzard at 39.
Come on, man.

Speaker 31 I got.

Speaker 7 And sometimes it's weird to be honored, right?

Speaker 14 Because I actually put in all this sweat equity years ago, and now this tree is all bearing fruit at the same time.

Speaker 28 I come off way more impressive than I actually am right now in this.

Speaker 20 So kudos to them for still seeing through that lens, Mike.

Speaker 24 4-7 gang. You too.

Speaker 7 4-7.

Speaker 20 4-7 gang. We doing it, baby.

Speaker 18 So you're going to have to give a speech? You say it's a banquet, so... I don't know.

Speaker 20 Nick, I literally have no idea how this works.

Speaker 18 I got a question. Are you the type of guy that prepares a speech but pretends like it's not prepared?

Speaker 18 Or are you the type of guy who doesn't actually prepare a speech? Or are you a guy who pulls a paper out the pocket, unfold it, and hit him?

Speaker 17 I am.

Speaker 20 I'm going to not prepare the speech, and then about 40 minutes before I speak, it just comes to me.

Speaker 2 Gotcha. That's how I.

Speaker 17 That's obnoxious.

Speaker 20 No, it's not.

Speaker 12 It's when I do my best work against the clock.

Speaker 20 I get some funny in there. I find the energy of the place.
Feel, okay, make sure this is relatable.

Speaker 21 Get the people going a little bit.

Speaker 20 Quick, short, and sweet, and get out.

Speaker 25 You're not a fan?

Speaker 2 Don't sit here. Don't give me the awkward silence.

Speaker 31 That's being a bad teammate.

Speaker 18 This is what you do.

Speaker 27 This is how you.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 25 I'm proud of you.

Speaker 18 I think you're an amazing talent. I'm happy you're here.

Speaker 7 He does so much. He does.
He really does.

Speaker 18 Not as much as you, though, Mike. No, he doesn't.

Speaker 14 No, I mean, if anybody, it's a 4-7 game.

Speaker 20 It's a 4-7 game.

Speaker 21 We're one and the same, me and Mike.

Speaker 18 Apparently, y'all do too much. That's why y'all are at a 4-7 game.

Speaker 14 Why don't y'all just shut y'all asses up?

Speaker 14 Get there on time.

Speaker 18 Sit your goofy ass in the back for a seven-gang.

Speaker 32 Only found one one leroy first name leroy who's played in the 70s his name is leroy stanton he was a he was a california angel and a seattle mariner does he have a beard and look just like that guy on the rins no beard

Speaker 22 what about the 80s uh i didn't see any from the 80s so it's it's the leading decade for leroy's like i said yeah most likely there will be negro league players named leroy i got a lot of negro league players there was there any white leroy's

Speaker 2 uh maybe that had last last names probably leroy probably i'll look that up that would probably be leroy yeah leroy yeah there's a country singer named leroy van dyke

Speaker 20 oh did he do the voiceover

Speaker 2 no

Speaker 18 self-shout out maybe that's where that pain that pain came from he knows what he's been through i um a lot of famous leroys on this website wow i was um in the break i was in uh the container and there was a fiery conversation you guys mocked me earlier because i said that we got got some hot Maryland talk coming and you mocked me.

Speaker 18 But guess what I walked into into the shipping container? You guys, Charlie and specifically, having a fiery conversation about Maryland. So let's do it.

Speaker 10 I actually think this topic is fascinating.

Speaker 24 We were talking about the NIL stuff and how there are changes to where the payments are coming from and how it's going to be a revs chair system.

Speaker 24 And this is a big story for you guys because Kevin Willard, the coach who just led Maryland to one of the strangest Sweet 16 runs imaginable because they had the buzzer beater from Derrick Queen, the Crab 5.

Speaker 24 They were this fun team. He was out.
He was out like a week and a half before that. He started.

Speaker 2 It's also a travel.

Speaker 17 Yep.

Speaker 2 Hater.

Speaker 21 It was a travel. He didn't call it.

Speaker 10 I'm at that age now where I can't watch any basketball games. I'm like, it's a travel.

Speaker 2 It wasn't a travel. It's a travel.
It wasn't a travel. It was beautiful.
Carrie, it's a travel.

Speaker 18 It's a terrible age.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's a bad age.

Speaker 7 Where does it feel good?

Speaker 18 When we get to the Ted McMillan conversation, I think I'm going to join you at that terrible age.

Speaker 18 Anyway, Charlie, tell me why my school is bad.

Speaker 24 Your coach was publicly flirting with Villanova, has now taken the job to be the Villanova.

Speaker 1 So he's not my coach.

Speaker 24 No longer your coach. Your former coach had taken the job at Villanova.

Speaker 24 But just because Maryland is a Big Ten school, Villanova's in the Big East, Villanova is not going to spend NAL money on football.

Speaker 24 There will be a higher percentage of their revenue share that goes to the basketball program, which sets up a really interesting thing of what's going to happen

Speaker 24 with these ACC schools. Are they going to choose football or basketball? Are they going to be trying to get poached by the SEC or other conferences or the Big Ten?

Speaker 24 And Maryland's in a funny, funny spot with this because this is a basketball school that is trying to now masquerade as a football school.

Speaker 15 Wow.

Speaker 18 They're not trying to match. So the thing is, in

Speaker 18 the stories pointed out that Maryland spends the second most money of anybody in the Big Ten in top 10 in the country on basketball.

Speaker 18 So like the idea that Willard was arguing that Maryland was short changing him, I think that if anyone had an argument that it was getting short changed, it'd be the football team, right?

Speaker 2 I think you're on it, Dominique.

Speaker 23 I don't understand this.

Speaker 14 Plus, there is more rev to share inside the Big Ten.

Speaker 28 They got that big time football money coming into there.

Speaker 31 So it's very curious.

Speaker 14 I'm sure he was made a ton of promises, and Villanova's won national championships more recently, certainly, than Maryland.

Speaker 22 And that's what they have going on for them.

Speaker 10 That school is synonymous with its men's basketball program.

Speaker 12 So

Speaker 12 I understand why he might get more commitments from that.

Speaker 10 There's also a little bit of an element element to like, let me reset that clock.

Speaker 10 And in this whole new age of college basketball, I'd rather be starting fresh at Villanova and have that job security now that I just raise expectations here.

Speaker 14 But coaches like to do this thing where they complain about the resources and the resources are so ambiguous because they're kind of like closely guarded state secrets that you can just kind of conveniently use this as an excuse.

Speaker 8 No one really checks you on that like Jim Laranega.

Speaker 2 There we go.

Speaker 27 I got it.

Speaker 18 I was confused why Mike Ryan was so into this conversation.

Speaker 27 I did some of it on Friday, but we just let.

Speaker 20 We just had this conversation.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we did this on Friday, but we let Jim Larineaga and Leonard Hamilton, like, join us in our content making.

Speaker 14 And we just, like, yeah, no, NIL Portal, like, we hear where you, that must be difficult for someone of your age.

Speaker 12 And then no one realizes, like, he didn't lose anybody until they started sucking. Yeah.
Like, we had the most talented team ever after we went to the Final Four.

Speaker 14 Yeah, we lost two guys to the NBA that weren't first-round picks, and we replaced them with a Matt Cleveland, a guy from FSU that Coach Larinego really wanted, and a first-round draft pick that's one of the better rookies in the NBA right now, Keshawn George.

Speaker 7 So that was the most talented Miami team ever, and they fell on their face.

Speaker 26 And then the following year, we got him a top three recruit in the nation, and he quit midway through the year.

Speaker 24 Hand up, I shouldn't have brought up this topic to talk about Miami basketball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, this is why my Uber rating is low.

Speaker 25 And yeah, this is right here.

Speaker 33 But we give him a top

Speaker 2 recruit.

Speaker 25 Tony Bennett did the same thing.

Speaker 13 And it's like, oh, well, you're just quitting.

Speaker 13 You're quitting.

Speaker 21 That's not accountability.

Speaker 31 Because the game's changing and you're just like, it's a mess.

Speaker 10 What you're saying is, no,

Speaker 7 I can't acclimate.

Speaker 2 I have a limited skill set.

Speaker 17 I'll get us back to Maryland. I have a stat of the day.

Speaker 34 Start of the day, start of the day. It is the start of the day.

Speaker 4 Start of the day.

Speaker 4 Start of the day.

Speaker 34 Start of the day. It is the start of the day.

Speaker 15 Way too long.

Speaker 15 That's the short version.

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Speaker 17 We're talking about Kevin Willard, former Maryland coach, just headed off to Villanova. This marks the first time that a Maryland head basketball coach has left for another school.

Speaker 17 Every other time in the program's 102-year history, their coach has either been fired or retired.

Speaker 15 Oh, that is a good stat.

Speaker 18 So did we fire Bear Bryant?

Speaker 21 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I mean, we had to, right? No.

Speaker 14 I think we did. Basketball, I think they're talking.

Speaker 2 Oh, oh, so it's not, it's not all sports?

Speaker 15 No, just basketball. This program.

Speaker 17 Odd program. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Gary, we'll be better for it.

Speaker 18 It is a great program, especially the leadership there at the program. It's fantastic, man.

Speaker 20 I just think whatever they're doing with Rev Share, it's in good hands. So if they've made the, and I think it was probably more team.
They knew that this guy can't hang, let's go get better, right?

Speaker 20 You know, no bias there. Just up, straight down the middle.
It's how I shoot it. That's how I end up on those lists, just so you guys know.

Speaker 18 The Kevin Wheeler stuff is interesting because he was not a crazy successful coach, but the opportunity came and he jumped ship.

Speaker 18 So I'm not never going to begrudge anybody for moving on to a different opportunity.

Speaker 18 or to what they believe is a better opportunity, but it was weird the way that he did it, I thought, because so first he's doing press conferences where he's leaking that the AD is going to leave, and he's kind of also taking shots at the

Speaker 18 institution for not paying for him and his team to stay in New York and celebrate Christmas together.

Speaker 18 And he's arguing that the rev share is not favorable when it actually appears the reporting suggests that the rev share is favorable for him.

Speaker 18 Then he skips a Sweet 16 dinner with his team where he's supposed to go celebrate with them. Why they're on a run to Sweet 16, obviously because he had some understanding with Villanova.

Speaker 18 Just a weird way to go about things. But I guess at a certain point, I more than anyone else should understand and know that college football or college sports is gross and getting grosser.
grosser.

Speaker 18 And all the standards that we used to pretend to hold ourselves to, we don't even like pretend anymore. And it's just scary for the future.

Speaker 12 It's always been gross, though. When did it like get gross?

Speaker 18 I think we moved the veil, I guess, which I guess is better. We can see the gross.

Speaker 10 I kind of think that people started feeling outwardly that this is gross when the players got to do what the coaches got to do the entire time.

Speaker 22 And then it kind of held up a different line.

Speaker 14 And then the coaches were like, hey, that's unfair. That's not cool that they can do that.

Speaker 10 We're supposed to be the only ones that get away with that.

Speaker 18 So how does that relate to Miami?

Speaker 14 I mean, it can if you want to read into it.

Speaker 31 Why would you ask him that?

Speaker 20 Why would you ask that question to my 4.7 ganger?

Speaker 14 I would say that racism.

Speaker 12 I would say it all takes,

Speaker 10 it all goes back to racism because once the black teenagers started making millions of dollars and being able to say, hey, no, I want to go to your school.

Speaker 14 No, I actually want to go to this other school. Why?

Speaker 26 For more money? Wait, you can't do that.

Speaker 14 We can do that. You can't do that.
You're a black teenager. And I think that that's where it actually changed if we're getting down to the nitty-gritty.

Speaker 20 Are you talking about the music group, young black teenagers?

Speaker 2 That was actually mostly white kids.

Speaker 14 Wasn't DJ Scribble on?

Speaker 25 I think they were all white kids.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 21 From the

Speaker 20 TV Raps trading card I found in my mom's house.

Speaker 21 Tap the bottle, twist the cap.

Speaker 2 There it is.

Speaker 31 That's where Scribble was from.

Speaker 20 So I am very biased on the Maryland sports. Obviously, Nick is biased.
He's the most biased on this topic.

Speaker 20 But my cousin is the executive director of RevShare and general manager of Maryland Athletics.

Speaker 18 Did he get on the 40 under 50 under 40 list?

Speaker 20 He's over 40.

Speaker 20 He's an older cousin. He's an older cousin.
But

Speaker 25 I got to be honest and say I'm completely biased.

Speaker 20 I have no idea what the situation is going on there, but I'm in support of whatever he is doing. And I feel like we should be able to talk more about our biases in sports media.

Speaker 30 Yeah, we all have biases.

Speaker 18 We should be clear and outspoken about those biases. But before.

Speaker 23 Am I the only one that's pointed out the racism, though?

Speaker 2 Yes. Really? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 20 Give him a look at Releray. That's what he wants.
I like how you play your audience, too.

Speaker 25 I didn't feed into it because I'm like, all right, I like what you're doing, 4.7.

Speaker 20 I mean,

Speaker 20 you know how to read the room.

Speaker 2 He's a Louis.

Speaker 14 But he's also biased.

Speaker 7 But he's talking about racism.

Speaker 14 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I'm not.

Speaker 23 I'm biased against the NCAA.

Speaker 2 Like, no doubt. No doubt.

Speaker 10 I've been very public, but I've always been anti-NCAA because of my very valid persecution complex.

Speaker 14 Okay, there's where we're coming from.

Speaker 18 All right, guys, we're going to take a break, but before we do, Andrew,

Speaker 18 does your cousin's name start with an A?

Speaker 20 This is going to be even worse.

Speaker 25 All right, real quick. This is a real quick story.

Speaker 21 My cousin's name is G-Roy, okay?

Speaker 21 But he's a junior. Huh?

Speaker 21 Okay, his name is G-Roy.

Speaker 21 He's a junior, G-Roy Jr. His father, who is G-Roy, has a twin brother.

Speaker 20 Guess what his twin brother's name is?

Speaker 21 Leroy.

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Speaker 18 so people have to buy it. But I had a random question as I was thinking.
Normally,

Speaker 18 people who work in sports are great athletes themselves also. Did you grow up playing a sport other than golf?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I was a fanatical rugby player. I'm from New Zealand and

Speaker 19 rugby is our national sport. Everyone, when they're a kid growing up here, wants to be an all-black and I was no different to that.

Speaker 18 Yeah, me too. When I was growing up, all I wanted to be was black, too, Stevie.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 18 you are obviously a phenomenally tough guy. Any injuries from your rugby career or gruesome hits?

Speaker 19 No, no, no, no,

Speaker 19 not, not.

Speaker 19 I think I might have lost a couple of teeth

Speaker 19 before it was mandatory to wear a mouth guard, but no, nothing too serious. I played rugby through my early college days and then obviously started catting at a young age.

Speaker 19 But yeah, rugby is a big game here in New Zealand.

Speaker 19 I'm not sure if you know much about it.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah, no, we're well aware of rugby being a popular game in New Zealand. We steal some of your rugby athletes occasionally to come play our American football on occasion.

Speaker 18 And I've played rugby with some friends. It's a very violent game, but it's also very fun.
And it's pretty straightforward. Pure football.
It is pure.

Speaker 20 It's like a pure version of American football is rugby.

Speaker 19 Agreed.

Speaker 18 So, all right, the book. What in the book?

Speaker 2 Why do you look at me like that?

Speaker 2 You're talking. I got to say that.
No, because

Speaker 18 you said it's pure football. I was like, oh, Halt about to go somewhere with this.

Speaker 25 Then he just looked back at me.

Speaker 20 No, no, no. I'm just a big rugby fan.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 18 Who in the tour right now could you beat? Don't get scared.

Speaker 18 I know you watch a golf and you look up and you're like, hey.

Speaker 7 I can beat some of these dudes.

Speaker 18 Name them. Name some names, Steve.

Speaker 19 No, how do you mean you can beat some of these dudes?

Speaker 2 Oh, I mean, in golf, like yeah, you it's somebody on the tour you could beat.

Speaker 19 Oh, look, I mean, anybody that's good enough to get their PGA tour card and play on any kind of professional circuit, uh, there's for every player that's out there playing trying to make a living at golf, there's hundreds of other players that don't make it.

Speaker 19 It's a very competitive game, and to be at an elite level in golf, it's um, I don't think the average person would realize how much a player puts in and how much time goes into um

Speaker 19 making it on the tour. So let me read

Speaker 18 a very tough rugby man. And what you wanted me to ask is who on the tour ask could you beat? You could beat one of them up, right?

Speaker 18 Name one of them that you want to square up with and you could catch them because you're tougher than a golfer, right? You're tougher than all the golfers.

Speaker 19 Oh, look,

Speaker 19 I guess me and Phil McLeson could probably square off one layer of the other.

Speaker 20 Great answer.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Yeah. I remember you called Phil a prick.

Speaker 2 You want to see him in the streets we can we'd arrange this we can get a little a little netflix pay-per-view let's get this money steve let's get this money book sales through the roof oh yeah the book sales are definitely through the roof come on

Speaker 18 um so tigers most recent um injury i'm sure that uh all of us like we have accepted that tiger is Well past his prime. The recent injuries are concerning.

Speaker 18 What are the chances that we can see some, another great run from Tiger? Obviously, not an extended run, but

Speaker 18 another another good tournament, another good major, anything from Tiger. What do you think?

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 19 I mean, my personal belief is that, you know, he won't give up the dream of trying to win another major championship until the time comes when he knows it's not a possibility.

Speaker 19 So for him, in order for him to play in a major championship and be competitive, he needs to have his body in a, you know, allow his body to be healed to the point where he can practice so that when he stands on the first tee of a major championship, he he knows he's fully fit and he can play 72 holes without any ailment and then he can compete.

Speaker 19 So Tiger's an incredible competitor and, you know, I think he's proud of all the records he's got. And I think one record he'd like to add is winning a major championship at 50 years and older.

Speaker 19 Phil Mickelson's proven that you can do that. And there's been another...
number of other players that have won majors late in their career.

Speaker 19 So, you know, Tiger's, I don't think he's given up the dream of doing that.

Speaker 19 And, you know, until such a point where he, that dream's gone, where he believes he can't compete and win a major championship, I think he'll try and keep playing.

Speaker 19 So hopefully, we haven't seen the last of Tiger.

Speaker 19 I mean, it'll be a phenomenal story if he could come back and get himself ready where he could play in a major championship, not only play, but give it a chance to win.

Speaker 18 You know, at one point, you and Tiger were not, didn't have the greatest relationship. It sounds as if you guys, you feel

Speaker 18 better about that. But the real question is, could you whip Tiger's ass at one point?

Speaker 19 When I went to work for Tiger, I considered myself to be reasonably fit, and he gave me a whole different perspective for what being fit was.

Speaker 18 So yeah, I got it.

Speaker 19 He put me through some rigorous workouts.

Speaker 19 And, you know, sometimes I had to say, look,

Speaker 19 I'm done now, Tiger. I'll meet you in the car when you're finished.
He's pretty strong, dude.

Speaker 18 Together we roar. You guys need to buy it, order it.
It comes out on April 1st, 2025, alongside Tiger, his epic 12-year 13-majors run. Steve, or excuse me, Chris, what you got?

Speaker 17 Steve, do you find yourself caddying off the course where you're like a friend is walking down a hill and you're like, this hill breaks a little to the right and there's like a little bump there that you got to avoid?

Speaker 19 Look, well, you've caddied for as long as I've caddied.

Speaker 19 I guess it's just kind of ingrained into you.

Speaker 19 I'm basically, I started as a, as a kid at my local golf course here in New Zealand, sort of eight or nine years old, caddying every single weekend, 36 holes a day to the point where, and then I cave for 40 plus years on the tour.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 19 it's something that you'll always be inclined to view things from a caddy's perspective, you know, not from a player's perspective, I guess.

Speaker 17 You're like in an Uber and you're like, yeah, you should have made a left there. I think that lane's a little better than this one.
What are you doing in the middle lane here?

Speaker 19 Yeah, possibly. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Is it possible that you could look up your Uber rating? Is that too much to ask? Is that too difficult? We had to go through all of our people in our room today to see who had the best Uber rating.

Speaker 18 Is that that something that you think you could manage?

Speaker 19 Well, I think you'd have to fairly say it's a zero because I've never used an Uber. So

Speaker 20 private car.

Speaker 2 Yeah, big money.

Speaker 18 I ain't messing with no Ubers.

Speaker 2 I got a personal driver. I see you, Steve.

Speaker 19 I drive myself everywhere.

Speaker 19 Haven't had the pleasure of having to use an Uber yet. And if I have used one, my wife would have booked it for me because

Speaker 19 I don't carry apps on my phone. So I'm a bit old school.

Speaker 17 Steve, where would most likely a heated interaction between you and Caddy, you and Tiger at the peak of you working with him, like your heated exchange, where would that take place?

Speaker 19 Well, we only really had one heated exchange, and it was at Augusta in 2003.

Speaker 19 Tiger got to the third hole at Augusta. The T was positioned at the front of the T, which

Speaker 19 made it possible where you could drive the green.

Speaker 19 been out in the course earlier that morning and told them on the practice fairway that they'd moved the tee up on the third hole.

Speaker 19 So sometimes the third hole is an iron off the T to keep it short of the bunkers, and sometimes you hit a driver to get over the bunkers, depending on where the wind is and where the hole location is.

Speaker 19 But on this particular day, the T was moved up so the bunkers were in play. There's no doubt in my mind it was a driver.
He didn't like the play. I couldn't see why he didn't like the play.

Speaker 19 I talked him into it. He hit an absolute shit shot.

Speaker 19 And it fanned it way out to the right and eventually made a bogey on a hole that you should make three, four at the worst. And that probably,

Speaker 19 you know, stopped the momentum that he had after starting with four, four and, you know, what didn't do any good in the tournament in the end.

Speaker 19 And he carried on like an absolute pork chop for the next few holes and, you know, like a little sour, sour baby, whatever. And then on the night, on the ninth hole, I just actually let it rip.

Speaker 19 It's the first time I'd done that since I started with him, just gave him an absolute mouthful and a bollocking about his behavior and the way he was carrying on and that. And that was all good.

Speaker 19 And then

Speaker 19 when we completed the round, he said, hey, thanks very much for the pep talk up nine and everything. So, yeah, but like we got on like a house on fire when I was working for him.

Speaker 19 And I think that was the only time that we ever had any kind of, you know, really heated argument. It was unfortunate.
It was during the round of a major championship.

Speaker 19 But when I came up the 18th hole, I thought, well, this might be the last time going to Tiger. He either liked it or what I said or he absolutely hated what I said.
So,

Speaker 19 you know, he was very good about it. So we laughed about that for a little bit.

Speaker 18 What do you think is the best quality that you bring or most value that you brought as a caddy?

Speaker 18 Was it the psychological part of it or was it just the clubs?

Speaker 7 Or I guess I should just let you answer.

Speaker 19 Just basically not afraid to voice your opinion. I'm a straight up sort of bloke of that.
And

Speaker 19 when there's something a lot on the line,

Speaker 19 not scared to voice your opinion and

Speaker 19 try and sway a player your way or whatever it might be. But just basically,

Speaker 19 I think you'll find the common trait amongst all the best caddies are guys that are prepared to stand up and not be afraid to be wrong.

Speaker 19 Obviously, when it comes down to the crutch of major championships and golf tournaments and that, and there's a lot on the line,

Speaker 19 it's very easy just to be what we call a yes man and just agree with a player because some K's are afraid to be wrong, but you can't ever be afraid to be wrong.

Speaker 19 If you can speak up and voice your opinion, you know, you're going to be successful.

Speaker 18 Name them. Who the yes men? Call them out.

Speaker 19 No, you don't call out your workmates, that's for sure. But that's new to you.

Speaker 2 Whoa, we call them out around here.

Speaker 18 Hey, stevie i stumbled over a question i guarantee when we let you go all my workmates we are we are gonna get along like a house on fire in this mother

Speaker 17 anyway uh chris what'd you have i want to know what you think of bubble watson saying that scheffler in 2024 was better than tiger in 2000.

Speaker 19 Well, I mean, I think that's a staggering statement to make. I mean, look,

Speaker 19 if a player won three major championships and no other tournaments and a player won one major championship in 20 tournaments, the guy that's won three major championships gets a nod in everybody's book.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 19 I don't know what he was basing that on,

Speaker 19 but you know,

Speaker 19 I guess it's a bubba comment. Some guys

Speaker 19 are looking for some attention.

Speaker 19 I think that's probably what he was doing here. You know, like Bubba's falling off the radar and he's probably looking for a bit of attention here.

Speaker 19 But look, you know, like Scotty Scheffler had an incredible year in 2024, played unbelievable golf, you know, and somewhat similar to some of the years that Tiger put together, but arguably, you can't bet against a guy that won three major championships in one year.

Speaker 19 And also, in the fashion that he did it, if you look at the US Open at Pebble Beach and the Open Championship at St Andrews, not only were they victories, one was by 15 shots and one was by seven shots.

Speaker 19 So they were memorable tournaments uh with breaking scoring records in both of them so um yeah i'm not sure whether bubba was confusing 2000 with maybe another year

Speaker 18 what do you think about the tgl

Speaker 18 the which tgl have you been watching that all the the

Speaker 19 down here in new zealand there's no way to watch that so um yeah i haven't seen any of it no i i can't i can't ask that question i haven't followed any of it so yeah

Speaker 17 if you had to pick one thing that made Tiger so much more dominant than the next guy, his hands, his mental toughness, what would you say made Tiger so much better than everybody else in his prime?

Speaker 19 Oh, look, I think it's just his desire. I mean,

Speaker 19 his desire to be the best that he could be and,

Speaker 19 you know, be the greatest player.

Speaker 19 A lot of people grow up when they're youngsters and they want to be the best player in the world and they're going to put a lot of effort in.

Speaker 19 But when you actually get onto the tour and that and realize what it takes to be the best player,

Speaker 19 it can sway your vision on how you're thinking about that. But just this continual desire.
When pro athletes, as we all know and everyone's aware, they make a lot of money.

Speaker 19 And sometimes when they get a lot of...

Speaker 18 Oh, sorry. I hit a button by mistake, Steve.

Speaker 2 We'll talk about this afterwards. I try to move the microphone.
House on fire.

Speaker 18 Yeah. They're going to call me out afterwards and try to move the microphone, slap the button.
I'm sorry, Steve. I ruined this interview.

Speaker 7 That was terrible.

Speaker 20 That was horrible. Steve, please continue.

Speaker 7 That was really bad, Steve. I'm sorry.
You chunked it.

Speaker 19 I think what happens

Speaker 19 in golf is that there's a lot of players that have

Speaker 19 a huge amount of talent. And when they get a huge amount of success,

Speaker 19 there's a lot of wealth that comes around that. And when you get a lot of wealth, there becomes a lot of toys that come around.
And

Speaker 19 whether it be a fishing boat, a private plane, fast cars, whatever it might be.

Speaker 19 And sometimes I think some of the guys that are capable of playing at the same level that Tiger did, they just take their foot off the gas a little bit because

Speaker 19 the niceties that come with your success

Speaker 19 take away some of the opportunity to practice as hard because you've got other things to other toys to play with and so forth.

Speaker 19 But yeah, Tiger's just his desire and work ethic to continue to be the best player that he could be and never had any distractions that took away from him trying to be that's, you know, he's just a phenomenal worker and continued to work hard throughout his career to be the best player he could.

Speaker 19 And despite his all his success and fame and wealth and that, nothing changed his vision on trying to be the greatest player that's ever played the game.

Speaker 18 All right, I'm ordering my book now as not only because I want to order it and can't wait to read it, but because I would like to apologize for messing up the interview with a button press.

Speaker 18 Together we roar alongside Tiger for his epic 12-year rung, available April 1st. What you got, Chris?

Speaker 17 What's the golf tip that you hear on the range where you know somebody's faking it and you know this person has no idea what they're actually talking about?

Speaker 17 And is it when someone says, oh you lifted your head

Speaker 19 yeah well i mean if you're talking about going to the the driving range um with your mates and that um that that is certainly a common thing they head oh you lifted your head but oh look

Speaker 19 you know there there's there's so many uh moving parts to a golf swing and that and there's so many everybody's different in that and everybody swings the club differently and there's so many everybody has all different faults and that but you know your common player that plays golf, your average player that plays golf and doesn't play very often, the biggest mistake they make is they

Speaker 19 aim to the right and they come over the ball, which means, you know,

Speaker 19 because they're aiming right and they're trying to hit it left of where they're aiming that, what they do, they come over it and they slice it. So, you know,

Speaker 19 you guys probably play golf and you understand what a slice is. And, you know, your common golfer that doesn't play a lot slices the ball.
And, you know, that's probably the most common thing you see.

Speaker 18 Chris is just trying to get his golf game better so anyway thanks a lot steve make sure everyone orders the book coming on april 1st together we roar all right man appreciate you yeah good to be on your show guys enjoy the rest of the day thank you

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