Hour 1: Domonique Ruins The Interview (feat. Steve Williams)

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We back. So on the Dominique Foxworth Show, Charlie and I, after each show, determine whether we won or lost.
And sometimes later on in the day, immediately after the show, sometimes we're right, and then later on in the day we're like, hey, I think we took a loss. Or, hey, keep the streak alive.
I say that to say, at the end of today's show, we're going to have show awards, as we did last time I was here. But we also need to determine whether we won game one or not.
Because we've got a five-game series. We've got a five-game series this week, and we've got to get out here with a dub.
And I'm so, as I mentioned before, I'm so happy to have Hawk here game one. He's clutch, man.
So does that mean if we win the first three games, we just don't work Thursday Friday? Yeah. I mean, that's how a series works, baby.
So bring your A game. Bring your A game.
Of the NFL season, basically. How are we doing today so far? Are we up? I think we got a pretty good lead.
It's a close ballgame. We blew the lead with Dominique's follow-up to Lewis here.
They weren't great. It was a bit of a turd quarter.
I had a couple turnovers, baby. I had a hot start.
Got full of myself. Had a couple turnovers.
Hand up. Another thing from the Dominique Foxworth show? Accountability plays.
That's what we... Went off you, coach.
Take responsibility. Couple errors.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't tell if it went off us.
We just take responsibility if it did go off us. That is not the norm here.

No?

No.

No.

It's losing ball.

Well, this week is the norm.

We're going to be accountable.

Everybody's going to be prepared.

And if you're not, call it out.

Charlie got in trouble yesterday because he took responsibility.

I mean, not in trouble, but he took responsibility. We had a ridiculous adventure to get here yesterday.

It's a long day.

I'll be accountable. I didn't quite fully understand what Pablo was trying to tell me through Charlie.
I had no clue. But I did take the opportunity to find the funny out.
Nice. So I was bad and good.
The one thing that I can always... Did you just take accountability for being good? For being good.
Accountability is accountability no matter what side of the fence it's on. I thought I did really well.
I like to point out that I stepped up to the plate and I want to be the bigger person and let everyone know that that was the case. If this was whose line is it anyway, you would have been happy I'm on your team.
Because I could have been like, wait, one more time, slow that down. But nope, not me.
Hand up. Hand up.
I rule. I love the post-game press conference.
It's like, hey, he threw me in the ball in the corner i was trapped in bad spot but i got out of it i would like to take responsibility for how bad a spot pablo put me in before i made that shot anyway i got another random question guys i'm walking in here and looking around and who the hell is that who do i like that Stu Gatz? That's not Stu Gatz.

Not with that clean line.

No, no, no.

That was a day that for Halloween he dressed up like Dan.

I don't believe you.

You know who I think that is?

I think that's Leroy.

You're trying to tell me that that nose is a white man's nose?

That's a good question.

That's Leroy, y'all. Look at his traps.
When have you ever seen Stu Gods with those traps? Look at me, Leroy. Well, this is from the coloring book.
Do you think anyone was like, I don't know who this is. I'm just going to guess on the skin color.
I have no clue how you can argue that that is not a black man who played baseball in the 70s right like that's as clearly a man who played baseball in the 70s right can we look up how many black guys in the mlb in the 70s were named leroy because i feel like it was a lot i feel like the nameeroy was probably at its height in the 70s for black men in America. The super athletes used to go to baseball.
And that thing that kind of blows my mind to think about. We had this conversation before where there are lots of like incredible, outstanding, amazing, ridiculous athletes in sports that we've never really seen before.
There was a time when baseball was what football is. And all the super athletes like, you know what I want to do? I want to play baseball.
It was the thing, man. That's what the money was, though.
Yeah. You got to follow the money.
Like Jackie Robinson could have probably been a Hall of Fame football player. He was like the best, one of the best in the country.
So on this side, it's like, oh, that's crazy. You chose baseball? Like, then no, that made all the sense in the world.
Speaking of show awards, Andrew Hawkins got all the damn awards. This man is on all the lists.
He was on, what was it, the Athletic, New York Times, 50 under 40. Yep, yep, yep.
And today announced another award. Did they actually give you a trophy for the SBJ one? I think there's a banquet that comes, and then you get it at the banquet.
Don't say I think. I don't know.
Don't try. Don't fake humble me.
I promise. I do not know.
I didn't love how Mike just patted himself on the back. Now I do.
Yeah. Because it's better.
Just be real. Just be real with it.
Hand up. I've had a great year.
I don't want to get a look at me, Leroy. That's on me.
So it's better for you. I just, I don't know.
I'll figure it out. If it doesn't come, I'm going to make my own trophy.
Is there something wrong with that? No, no, no, no, no. There's no way out of the look at me, Leroy.
Because you pretending like you got this great honor and just like, I don't know, I get so many of them, I can't keep up. I got banquets.
I got no banquets. Some of them give me trophies.
Some of them don't. I'm just a man in this.
I am very honored to be mentioned with some incredible names. Name some of the names.
That's a good accountability. Business world.
I haven't actually. I have not seen the list.
Because you don't even care enough to look at the list? My man don't even look at the list. I'm working.
I am locked in. It came out today.
I got a text while I'm on this show that I'm on the list. I have not seen, I have no idea who else is on the list.
That is so cool. It's an honor to be nominated.
I'm just honored to be listed with all the obstacles that I've had to go through to get to this point. Mike, you do at the buzzard at 39 come on man this is i got and and sometimes it's weird to be honored right because like i actually put in all this sweat equity years ago and now this tree's all bearing fruit at the same time i've i come off way more impressive than i actually am right now in this so kudos to them for for still seeing through that lens mike four seven gang you-7 gang.
We doing it, baby. So you're going to have to give a speech? You said it's a banquet.
I don't know. Nick, I literally have no idea how this works.
I got a question. Are you the type of guy that prepares a speech but pretends like it's not prepared? Or are you the type of guy who doesn't actually prepare a speech? Or are you a guy who pulls a paper out the pocket, unfold it, and hit him? Or the phone.
I'm a not prepare the speech, and then about 40 minutes before I speak, it just comes to me. Gotcha.
That's how I am. That's obnoxious.
No, it's not. It's when I do my best work against the clock.
I get some funny in there. I find the energy of the place.

Feel, okay, make sure this is relatable.

Get the people going a little bit.

Quick, short, and sweet, and get out.

You're not a fan?

Don't sit here.

Don't give me the awkward silence.

Don't give me.

That's being a bad teammate.

This is what you do?

No, no, no.

I'm proud of you.

I think you're an amazing talent. I'm happy you're here.
He does so much. He does.
He really does. Not as much as you, though, Mike.
No, he doesn't. No, I mean, if anybody.
It's a 4-7 gang. It's a 4-7 gang.
We're one in the same, me and Mike. Apparently, y'all do too much.
That's why y'all in the 4-7 gang. Why don't you shut y'all asses up? Get there on time.
Sit your goofy ass in the for a second, seven gang. Only found one Leroy, first name Leroy, who's played in the 70s.
His name is Leroy Stanton. He was a Met, a California angel, and a Seattle Mariner.
Does he have a beard and look just like that guy on the red screen? No beard. What about the 80s? I didn't see any from the 80s.
So it's the leading decade for Leroy's, like I said.

Most likely there will be Negro League players named Leroy.

A lot of Negro League players.

Was there any white Leroy's?

Maybe that had last names, probably Leroy.

Probably, I'll look that up.

That would probably be Leroy.

Yeah.

Leroy, yeah.

There's some country singer named Leroy Van Dyke.

Oh.

Did he do the voiceover?

No.

Self shout out.

Maybe that's where that pain came from.

He knows what he's been through.

I have a lot of famous Leroys on this website.

Wow.

I was in the break.

I was in the container and there was a fiery conversation.

You guys mocked me earlier because I said that we got some hot Maryland talk coming and you mocked me. But guess what I walked into, into the shipping container.
You guys, Charlie and specifically having a fiery conversation about Maryland. So let's do it.
I actually think this topic is fascinating. We were talking about the NIL stuff and how there are changes to where the payments are coming from and how it's going to be a revs chair system.
And this is a big story for you guys. It's Kevin Willard, the coach who just led Maryland to one of the strangest sweet 16 runs imaginable because they had the buzzer beater from Derek Queen, the Crab 5, this fun team.
He was out. He was out like a week and a half before that.
It was also a travel. Yep.
Hater. It was a travel.
He didn't call it. I'm at that age now where I can't watch any basketball games.
I'm like, it's a travel. It wasn't a travel.
It's a travel. It wasn't a travel.
It was beautiful. It's a carry.
It's a travel. It's a terrible age.
Yeah. It's a bad age.
It doesn't feel good. When we get to the Ted McMillan conversation, I think I'm going to join you at that terrible age.
Anyway, Charlie, tell me why my school is bad. Your coach was publicly flirting with Villanova, has now taken the job to be the Villanova.
So he's not my coach. No longer your coach.
Your former coach had taken the job at Villanova. Just because Maryland is a Big Ten school, Villanova's in the Big East, Villanova is not going to spend NAL money on football, there will be a higher percentage of their revenue share that goes to the basketball program, which sets up a really interesting thing of what's going to happen with these ACC schools.
Are they going to choose football or basketball? Are they going to be trying to get poached by the SEC or other conferences or the Big Ten? And Maryland's in a funny spot with this because this is a basketball school that is trying to now masquerade as a football school. They're not trying to masquerade.
So the thing is, the stories pointed out that Maryland spends the second most money of anybody in the Big Ten and top ten in the country on basketball. So the idea that Willard was arguing that Maryland was shortchanging him, I think that if anyone had an argument that it was getting shortchanged, it would be the football team, right? I think you're on it, Dominique.
I don't understand this. Plus, there's more rev to share inside the Big Ten.
They got that big-time football money coming into there. So it's very curious.
I'm sure he was made a ton of promises, and Villanova's won national championships more recently, certainly, than Maryland. And that's what they have going on for them.
That school is synonymous with its men's basketball program. So I understand why he might get more commitments from that.
There's also a little bit of an element to like, let me reset that clock in this whole new age of college basketball. I'd rather be starting fresh at Villanova and have that job security now that I just raise expectations here.
But coaches like to do this thing where they complain about the resources and the resources are so ambiguous because they're kind of like closely guarded state secrets that you can just kind of conveniently use this as an excuse. No one really checks you on that like Jim Laranego.
There we go. I got it.
I was confused why Mike Ryan was so into this Maryland topic. I did some of it on Friday, but we just let – I was like, I just had this conversation somewhere.
Yeah, we did this on Friday, but we let Jim Laranaga and Leonard Hamilton join us in our content making, and we just – yeah, no, NIL portal, we hear you. That must be difficult for someone of your age.
And then no one realizes, like, he didn't lose anybody until they started sucking.

We had the most talented team ever after we went to the Final

Four. Yeah, we lost two guys to

the NBA that weren't first

round picks, and we replaced them with

Matt Cleveland, a guy from FSU that Coach Laranega

really wanted, and a first round draft pick

that's one of the better rookies in the NBA right now

in Keyshawn George. That was the most

talented Miami team ever, and they fell on their face. And then the following year, we got him a top three recruit in the nation, and he quit midway through the year.
Hand up. I shouldn't have brought up this topic to talk about Miami basketball.
I'm sorry. Yeah, well, this is why my Uber rating is low.
He's like, and yeah, this right here. But we gave him a top three recruit.
Tony Bennett did the same thing. And he's like, oh, well, you're just quitting.
You're quitting. That's not accountability.
Because the game's changing and you're just like, it's a mess. What you're saying is, no, I can't acclimate.
I have a limited skill set. I'll get us back to Maryland.
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I mean, we had to, right? No.

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Okay, I just think whatever they're doing with Revshare, it's in good hands. So if they've made – and I think it was probably more team.
They knew that this guy can't hang. Let's go get better, right? You know, no bias there.
Just up straight down the middle is how I shoot it. That's how I end up on those lists, just so you guys know.
The Kevin Wheeler stuff is interesting because he was not a crazy successful coach, but the opportunity came and he jumped ship. So I'm never going to begrudge anybody for moving on to a different opportunity or to what they believe is a better opportunity.
But it was weird the way that he did it, I thought. Because so so first he's doing press conferences where he's leaking that the AD is going to leave, and he's kind of also taking shots at the institution for not paying for him and his team to stay in New York and celebrate Christmas together.
And he's arguing that the rev share is not favorable when it actually appears the reporting suggests that the rev share is favorable for him then he skips a sweet 16 dinner with his team where he's supposed to go celebrate with them while they're on the run to sweet 16 obviously because he had some understanding with Villanova just is a weird way to go about things but I guess at a certain point I more than anyone else shouldn't understand and know that college football or college sports is gross and getting grosser and all the standards that we used to pretend to hold ourselves to we don't even like pretend anymore it is just scary for the future it's always been gross though when did it like get gross i think i think we moved the veil i guess which i guess is We can see the gross. I kind of think that people started feeling outwardly that this is gross when the players got to do what the coaches got to do the entire time.
And then it kind of held up a different line. And then the coaches were like, hey, that's unfair.
That's not cool that they can do that. We're supposed to be the only ones that get away with that.
So how does that relate to Miami? I mean, it can if you want to read into it. Why would you ask that question to my 4.7 ganger? I would say that racism.
Yes. I would say it all goes back to racism because once the black teenagers started making millions of dollars and being able to say, hey, no, I want to go to your school.
No, I actually other school why for more money wait you can't do that we can do that you can't do that you're you're a black teenager and i think that that's where it actually changed if we're getting down to the nitty-gritty are you talking about the music group young black teenagers or is that that was actually mostly white kids it wasn't dj scribble i think they were all white kids yeah yeah from the mtv raps trading card my mom's house. Tap the bottle, twist the cap.
That's where Scribble was from. So I am very biased on the Maryland sports.
Obviously, Nick is biased. He's the most biased on this topic.
But my cousin is the executive director of RevShare and general manager of Maryland Athletics. Did he get on the 40, 50, 50 list? He's over 40.
as an older cousin as an older cousin but i am i just i gotta be honest and say i'm completely biased i have no idea what the situation is going on there but i'm in support of whatever he is doing and i feel like we should be able to talk more about our biases in in sports media yeah we all have biases we should be clear and outspoken about those biases biases. Am I the only one that's pointing out the racism, though?

Yes.

Really?

Yeah.

Give him a look at Reed Leroy.

That's what he wants.

I like how you play your audience, too.

I didn't feed into it because I'm like, all right, I like what you're doing, 4.7.

You get it.

You know how to read the room.

He's a Louie.

But he's also biased against.

But he's talking about racism.

No.

No, no, no.

I'm not. I'm biased against the NCAA.
Like, no doubt. No doubt.
I've been very public, but I've always been anti-NCAA because of my very valid persecution complex. Okay, there's where it comes in.
All right, guys. We're going to take a break.
But before we do, Andrew, does your cousin's name start with an A? This is gonna be even worse.

Alright, real quick. This is a real quick story.

My cousin's name is G-Roy, okay?

But he's a junior.

Okay, his name is G-Roy.

He's a junior. G-Roy Jr.

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We back and we are joined by an incredible guest, a legend, the legendary caddy, Steve Williams. He's here to promote his book, Together We Roar, alongside Tiger for his epic 12-year, 13-major run.
It comes out on April 1st. Buy it as a gift for somebody coming up for whatever holiday you want.
Steve, thank you so much for joining us, man. I'm excited to have you.
You're a legend. Well, thanks very much.
It's nice to be on your show, guys. All right, so I want to start with, we're going to get to all the great golf stories that I'm sure you're in your book.
You're not going to give away all the best ones so people have to buy it. But I had a random question as I was thinking.
Normally, people who work in sports are great athletes themselves also. Did you grow up playing a sport other than golf? Yeah, I was a fanatical rugby player.
I'm from New Zealand and rugby is our national sport. Everyone, when they're a kid growing up here, wants to be an all-black, and I was no different to that.
Yeah, me too. When I was growing up, all I wanted to be was black too, Stevie.
So you are obviously a phenomenally tough guy. Any injuries from your rugby career or gruesome hits? No, no, no, not, not, I think I might have lost a couple of teeth before it was mandatory to wear a mouth guard.
But no, nothing too serious. I played rugby through my early college days and then obviously started caddying at a young age.
But yeah, rugby's a big game here in New Zealand. I'm not sure if you know much about it.
We're well aware of rugby being a popular game in New Zealand. We steal some of your rugby athletes occasionally to come play our American football on occasion.
And I've played rugby with some friends. It's a very violent game, but it's also very fun.
It's pretty straightforward. Pure football.
It is pure. It's like a pure version of American football is rugby.
Agreed. So, all right, the book.
What in the book? Why do you look at me like that? You're talking. I got to look at the person who's talking.
You said it's pure football. I was like, oh, Hulk about to go somewhere with this.
Then he just looked back at me. No, no, no.
I'm just a big rugby fan. All right.
Who in the tour right now could you beat? Don't get scared. I know you watch golf and you look up and you're like, hey, I can beat some of these dudes.
Name them. Name some names, Steve.
No. How do you mean you can beat some of these dudes? Oh, I mean in golf.
There's somebody on the tour you could beat. Oh, look.
I mean, anybody that's good enough to get their PGA Tour card and play on any kind of professional circuit, for every player that's out there playing, trying to make a living at golf, there's hundreds of other players that don't make it. It's a very competitive game, and to be at an elite level in golf, I don't think the average person would realize how much a player puts in and how much time goes into making it on the tour.
Let me rephrase it. They're all great players.
You're a very tough rugby man, and what you wanted me to ask is, who on the tour ass could you beat? You could beat one of them up, right? You could somebody name one of them that you want to square up with, and you can catch them because you're tougher than a golfer, right?

You're tougher than all the golfers.

Oh, look, I guess me and Phil Mickelson could probably square up one layer.

Yeah.

Great answer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I remember you called Phil a prick.

You want to see him in the streets?

We can arrange this.

We can get a little Netflix pay-per-view.

Let's get this money, Steve. Let's get this money.
Book sales money book sales through the roof oh yeah the book sales are definitely through the roof come on um so tiger's most recent um injury i'm sure that uh all of us like we have accepted that tiger is well past his prime the recent injuries are concerning what are the chances that we can see some another great run from Tiger obviously not an extended run but uh another good tournament another good major anything from Tiger what do you think yeah that's a great question I mean I my personal belief is that you know he won't give up the dream of trying to win another major championship until the time comes when he knows it's it's not a So for him, in order for him to play in a major championship and be competitive, he needs to have his body and allow his body to be healed to the point where he can practice so that when he stands on the first tee of a major championship, he knows he's fully fit and he can play 72 holes without any ailment and then he can compete. So Tiger's an incredible competitor and I think he's proud of all the records he's got.
I think one record he'd like to add is winning a major championship at 50 years and older. Phil Mickelson's proven that you can do that and there's been a number of other players that have won majors late in their career.

So, you know, Tiger's,

I don't think he's given up the dream of doing that.

And until such point where that dream's gone,

where he believes he can't compete and win a major championship,

I think he'll try and keep playing.

So hopefully we haven't seen the last of Tiger.

I mean, it'd be a phenomenal story

if he could come back and get himself ready where he could play in a major championship not only play but you know give it a chance to win no at one point you and tiger were not didn't have the greatest relationship it sounds as if you guys you feel um better about that but the real question is could you whip tiger's ass at one point when i went went to work with Tiger, I considered myself to be

reasonably fit and he gave me a whole

different perspective for what being fit was.

So yeah,

I got it.

He put me through some rigorous workouts

and

sometimes I had to say, look,

I'm done now, Tiger. I'll meet you in the car when you're

finished. He's a pretty strong dude.

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1st, 2025, alongside Tiger, his epic 12-year, 13-majors run. Steve, excuse me, Chris, what you got? Steve, do you find yourself caddying off the course where a friend is walking down a hill and you're like, this hill breaks a little to the right, and there's a little bump there that you got to avoid? Look, when you've caddied for as long as I've caddied, I guess it's just kind of ingrained and you're like this hill breaks a little to the right and there's like a little bump there that you got to avoid look when you've carried for as long as i've caddied uh i guess it's just kind of ingrained in here you know basically i i started as a as a kid at my local golf course here in new zealand sort of eight or nine years old caddying every single weekend 36 holes a day to the point where and then i caved for 40 plus years on the tour so um it's something that you'll always be inclined to view things from a caddy's perspective, not from a player's perspective, I guess.
You're like in an Uber and you're like, I should have made a left there. I think that lane is a little better than this one.
What are you doing in the middle lane here? Yeah, possibly. Is it possible that you could look up your Uber rating? Is that too much to ask? Is that too difficult? We had to go through all of our people in our room today to see who had the best Uber rating.
Is that something that you think you could manage? Well, I think you'd have to say it's a zero because I've never used an Uber. Oh, wow.
Wow. That is a private car.
Yeah. Big money.
I ain't messing with no Ubers. I got a personal driver.
I see you, Steve. I drive myself everywhere.
I haven't had the pleasure of having to use an Uber yet.

And if I have used one, my wife would have booked it for me because I don't carry apps on my phone.

So I'm a bit old school.

Steve, where would most likely a heated interaction between you and Tiger at the peak of you working with him, like a heated exchange, where would that take place?

Well, we only really had one heated exchange and it was at Augusta in 2003. Tiger got to the third hole at Augusta, the tee was positioned at the front of the tee

which made it possible where you could drive the green and I'd been out on the course earlier

that morning and told them on the practice fairway that they'd moved the tee up on the

third hole. at the front of the tee, which made it possible where you could drive the green.
And I'd been out on the course earlier that morning

and told them on the practice fairway

that they'd moved the tee up on the third hole.

So sometimes the third hole is an iron off the tee

to keep it short of the bunkers.

And sometimes you hit a driver to get over the bunkers,

depending on where the wind is and where the hole location is.

But on this particular day, the tee was moved up

so the bunkers were in play.

There's no doubt in my mind it was a driver.

He didn't like the play.

I couldn't see why he didn't like the play. I talked him into it.
He hit an absolute shit shot. And fanned it way out to the right and eventually made a bogey on a hole that you should make three, four at the worst.
And that possibly stopped the momentum that he had after starting with four, four and didn't do any good in the tournament in the end. And he carried on like an absolute pork chop for the next few holes and, you know, like a little sour baby, whatever.
And then on the ninth hole, I just actually let it rip. It's the first time I've done that since I started with him, just gave him an absolute mouthful and a bollocking about his behaviour and the way he was carrying on and that.
all good and then um yeah when we completed the round he um said hey thanks very much for the pep talk up nine and everything so yeah but like we got on like a house on fire when i was working from him i think that was the only time that we ever had any kind of you know really heated argument it was unfortunate it was during the round of a major championship but when i came up the the 18th hole, I thought, well, this might be the last time going to Tiger.

He either liked it or what I said or he absolutely hated what I said.

So, you know, he was very good about it.

So we laughed about that for a little bit.

What do you think is the best quality that you bring or the most value that you brought as a caddy?

Was it the psychological part of it or was it just the clubs?

Or I guess I should just let you answer? Just basically not afraid to voice your opinion. You know, straight up sort of bloke and you know when there's something a lot on the line, not scared to voice your opinion and you know try and sway a player your way or you know whatever it might be.
But just basically you know I think you'll find the common trait amongst all the best Ks are guys that are prepared to stand up and not be afraid to be wrong. Obviously, when it comes down to the crux of major championships and golf tournaments and that, and there's a lot on the line, it's very easy just to be what we call a yes man and just agree with the player because some Ks are afraid to be wrong, but you can't ever be afraid to be wrong.
If you can speak up and voice your opinion, you're going to be successful. Name them.
Who the yes men? Call them out. No, you don't call out your workmates, that's for sure.
Oh, we call them out around here. Hey, Stevie, I stumbled over a question.
I guarantee when we let you go, all my workmates, we are going to get along like a house on fire in this mother. Anyway, Chris, what'd you have? I want to know what you think of Bubba Watson saying that Scheffler in 2024 was better than Tiger in 2000.
Well, I mean, I think that's a staggering statement to make. I mean, look, if a player won three major championships in no other tournaments and a player won one major championship in 20 tournaments, the guy that's won three major championships gets a nod in everybody's book.
So I don't know what he was basing that on. But, guess it's above a comment.
Some guys are looking for some attention. I think that's probably what he was doing here.
Bubba's fallen off the radar, and he's probably looking for a bit of attention here. But look, Scotty Schefter had an incredible year in 2024, played unbelievable golf and somewhat similar to some of the years that Tiger put together.
But arguably you can't bet against a guy that won three major championships in one year. And also in the fashion that he did it.
If you look at the US Open at Pebble Beach and the Open Championship at St Andrews, not only were they victories, one was by 15 shots and one was by 7 shots. So they were memorable tournaments with breaking scoring records in both of them.
So, yeah, I'm not sure whether Bubba was confusing 2000 or maybe another year. What do you think about the TGL? The what? TGL.
Have you been watching at all the... Down here in New Zealand, there's no way to watch that.
So I haven't seen any of it. I can't ask that question.
I haven't followed any of it. So, yeah.
If you had to pick one thing that made Tiger so much more dominant than the next guy, his hands, his mental toughness, what would you say made Tiger so much better than everybody else in his prime? Oh, look, I think it's just his desire. I mean, his desire to be the best that he could be and, you know, be the greatest player.
A lot of people grow up when they're youngsters and they want to be the best player in the world and they're going to put a lot of effort in.

But when you actually get onto the tour and realize what it takes to be the best player,

that can sway your vision on how you're thinking about that.

But just as a continual desire, when pro athletes, as we all know and everyone's aware,

they make a lot of money and sometimes when they get a lot of money.

Oh, sorry. I hit a button.
My mistake, Steve. We'll talk about this after.
I tried to move the microphone. House on fire.
Yeah. They're going to call me out afterwards.
I tried to move the microphone, slap the butt. I'm sorry, Steve.
I ruined this interview. That was terrible.
That was horrible. Steve, please continue.
That was really bad, Steve. I'm sorry.
You chunked it. I think what happens in golf is that there's a lot of players that have a huge amount of talent.
And when they get a huge amount of success, there's a lot of wealth comes around there. And when you get a lot of wealth, there becomes a lot of toys that come around.
Whether it be a fishing boat, a private plane, fast cars, whatever it might be. And sometimes I think some of the guys that are capable of playing at the same level that Tiger did, they just take their foot off the gas a little bit because the niceties that come with your success take away some of the opportunity to practice as hard because you've got other toys to play with and so forth.
But yeah, Tiger, just his desire and work ethic to continue to be the best player that he could be and never had any distractions that took away from him trying to be. He's just a phenomenal worker and continued to work hard throughout his career to be the best player he could.
And despite all his success and fame and wealth and that, nothing changed his vision on trying to be the greatest player that's ever played the game. I'm ordering my book now not only because I want to order it and can't wait to read it, but because I would like to apologize for messing up the interview with a button press.
Together we roar alongside Tiger for his epic 12-year rung, available April 1st. What you got, Chris? What's the golf tip that you hear on the range where you know somebody's faking it and you know this person has no idea what they're actually talking about? And is it when someone says, oh, you lifted your head? Yeah, well, I mean, if you're talking about going to the driving range with your mates and that, that is certainly a common thing.
your head, oh, you lifted your head. But, oh, look, you know, there's so many moving parts to a golf swing and there's so many everybody's different than that and everybody swings the club differently and there's so many everybody has all different faults in that.
But, you know, your common player that plays golf, your average player that plays golf and doesn't play very often, the biggest mistake they make is they aim to the right and they come over the ball, which means, you know, because they're aiming right and they're trying to hit it left of where they're aiming at, what they do, they come over it and they slice it. So, you know, you guys probably play golf and you understand what a slice is and, you know, your common golfer that doesn't play a lot slices play a lot slices are born yeah that's probably the most common thing you see chris is just trying to get his golf game better so anyway thanks a lot steve make sure everyone orders the book coming out april 1st together we roar all right man appreciate you yeah good to be on your show guys enjoy the rest of the day thank you steve weather is starting warm up.
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