PMS 2.0 1312 - Rece Davis, Greg Sankey, Daniel Jeremiah, Gable Steveson, Darius Butler, & Ian Rapoport LIVE In The ThunderDome

Speaker 1 Welcome to the Thunderdome.

Speaker 1 I am not Pat McAfee, but do not adjust your sets. This is actually real, and it is actually happening.

Speaker 2 Crushed it.

Speaker 1 I told Pat before the show that I would nail it, and I did.

Speaker 1 I am Ian Rappaport, also known as Rap Sheet,

Speaker 1 and I am hosting the Pat McAfee show today in place of Pat. We don't know where Pat is.

Speaker 1 He is in another country.

Speaker 1 Parts Unknown is how it was described to me. Okay.
But I am told he is joining us right now.

Speaker 3 I'm splitting the screen with you.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I'm splitting the screen with you, Rap.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, I don't know where you are right now. It could be anywhere.

Speaker 3 Hi, Pat. I'm in Glasgow, Scotland.
Look to your right. It's right above my picture on the big screen.
Yeah, it says in Glasgow, dirty. Probably pieced that together.

Speaker 3 Hey, hey, great work back there, boys. Great work back there, boys.

Speaker 3 How you doing? I'll tell you what, Rap. I've never been in Scotland.
This is my first time over here. And obviously, we have Monday Night Raw here tonight on on Netflix.
I believe it kicks off 4 p.m.

Speaker 3 Eastern, 8 o'clock local, only a four-hour time zone difference as opposed to, you know, some places in Europe that are like five, six hours. And I'll tell you what, Glasgow is lovely.

Speaker 3 I've been waltzing around this town all morning, kind of getting a lay of the land, seeing some things. Had a nice breakfast at Cafe Sono.
My guy Fahi from Hurkey, this spot was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 And, you know, Fahi didn't speak a lot of English, and I don't think he understood everything I was saying. But I pointed at Scottish breakfast, and he knew exactly what I wanted.

Speaker 3 Even gave me some extra fried eggs. So shout out to Fahid and his mom, a wonderful Turkish duo that run Cafe Sono underneath the train station here in Glasgow.

Speaker 3 That's him cooking right there for me this morning as soon as I got into town. Then I waltzed around, you know, got a chance to get my hair did.

Speaker 3 You know, I got my hair cut by a guy named Tyler, who was Syrian. Okay, he was Syrian, but he learned how to cut hair in Kuwait from his father when he was 13.
And I got the fade in Scotland.

Speaker 3 So I don't know if this is a Syrian fade, a Kuwaiti fade, or a Scottish fade. Nonetheless, this guy was an artist.
We're talking about a magician with the scissors.

Speaker 3 And his guy, Steve, in the shop was also fantastic as well. I walked around, maybe met some filt makers.
Maybe,

Speaker 3 yeah, shook some hands, got a chance to meet the Scottish folks. And the sun was shining over here in Glasgow because it's a wonderful day.
Rappaport, thank you so much for traveling to Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 Obviously, it's great to see you back there with the lads. And what a perfect day for you to be here.

Speaker 3 Obviously, not because the NFL is the topic of conversation, even though we'll have Daniel Jeremiah in the next hour, but because sports are popping off in a big way, especially for degenerate booze bags like you.

Speaker 3 March madness, more like March sadness, rap. Am I right? Boys, boys, toxic table at Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt.
One half of the hammer.

Speaker 3 Nailed down. Cowboys AP Tone and nine-year NFL vet Darius J.

Speaker 2 Butler.

Speaker 3 Let's start with the toxic table. Let's start with the toxic table.
Con man, I know you bet every single underdog. Sorry about it, bud.
It's been a rough couple days for you. What is your takeaway?

Speaker 3 What is your thought on the weekend that was in college hoops?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a fantastic weekend. Overall, 13 and 44 were the underdog money line bets.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, you could say we didn't do too well, but we actually kicked it off in a fantastic fashion at what is a Pins Mechanical Company on Thursday. Got properly boozed up.

Speaker 2 A crack was had, if you will. But, you know, as much as it stinks with the no Cinderellas, and I know the conversation this morning has been, you know, Cinderella's dead.

Speaker 2 NIL is going to kill Cinderella forever. I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 I more so think, you know, looking ahead is where the, you know, madness is really going to be had, where these 1-4 matchups, some of the, you know, 3 versus 2 matchups are going to be incredible.

Speaker 2 Arkansas is kind of the only double-digit seed that has made it.

Speaker 2 And even there, with Cal Pari, with them being one of the seven sec teams in the sweet six team it does feel as though it's going to be a great close to the tournament but yeah it's sad you know everyone likes to see an underdog everyone likes to see a cinderella and personally i want to see some buzzer beaters and immediately as soon as we do finally get a buzzer beater everyone starts bitching about a travel traveling is not real

Speaker 2 Traveling's not real. Hold on.

Speaker 3 Hey, listen, first of all, I think if you were to slow that down, Debuts, I think he takes a dribble. This dude's 6'10.

Speaker 3 Obviously, obviously he's a freshman from baltimore which we learned but the story behind this dude being asked during the timeout right before who wants the ball and he says give me the motherfucking ball i mean what an answer debut i'm a maryland terrapin fan going forward now that the johnnies are out strictly because of this i don't know if i'm a terp fan with you but i love that type of moxie i love that type of juice in the huddle then backing it up and actually getting the bucket i believe gene stirritor gave the explanation after the play as to why it wasn't a travel i think they call it a gather step.

Speaker 2 We know traveling isn't real on the big-time basketball level, but that's an unbelievable play. A great shot going to his left, fading away, getting that touch off the glass.

Speaker 2 Was a beautiful buzzer beat it to a great, great game now. My Huskies, they got knocked off yesterday.
Great battle with the Florida Games. Took it well.
Took it real well.

Speaker 2 Of course, he took it like a championship. I like my losers to be sore losers.
So you got to take the good and the bad.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get up for that, dude.

Speaker 2 Why wouldn't I?

Speaker 2 The back-to-back national champion.

Speaker 1 He's a great coach. No, he's a great coach.
I'm just saying,

Speaker 1 minutes, Pat, minutes at, like, seconds after, he knows cameras are in the tunnel, right?

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 1 And, and this is what, I mean, it's the refs.

Speaker 3 Hey, what, rap? Hey, Rap, listen. Listen, Rap.
You and your journalist committee have decided that this isn't how a guy's supposed to act. This is not how a coach is supposed to act.

Speaker 3 How about Dan Hurley gets to decide how Dan Hurley acts? Guy wins back-to-back national championships. The boys absolutely love him.

Speaker 3 But I understand you journalists don't like the super competitive coach. You know, let's go to the Super Bowl real quick.
Nick Siriani.

Speaker 3 You and your journalist friends got a lot to say about how he operates, but the boys love him. You know, I appreciate that Dan Hurley's always Dan Hurley.

Speaker 3 Rap, did you hear what he said, though, afterwards, whenever he was talking, when he talked about where he is now versus where he has been the last couple of years and talking about the scrutiny and everything?

Speaker 3 And he said he's going to readjust, refresh, reset this offseason, get back to coaching.

Speaker 3 I think there is a chance we see a different Dan Hurley going forward, but I don't think it's a bad thing that he acts differently than everybody else because he always does it.

Speaker 3 He's always a psychopath, right? And the boys know it and the boys love it.

Speaker 1 So the Siriani sort of corollary is a good one, I think, because like, you know, look,

Speaker 1 is it in the, in the head coaching manual, is there a page for like trash talking your own fans? Like, probably not, would be my guess. Well,

Speaker 3 no, it was because the guy wanted to run the ball.

Speaker 1 No, I get it, but I'm saying they love him so much in the locker room that it's sort of like, that's the currency, right?

Speaker 1 Like, so like did i love to see danny hurley or dan hurley as he's now become known like tossed uh trash talking the refs after probably not but you know that his guys are like that's my guy and i think that's the most that that's the real stuff you know you're looking for daniel hurley that's what you look

Speaker 2 yes none of this daniel dan i'm looking for daniel correct yeah i wonder if he had the dragon underwear on tone have we got to the bottom of that was he wearing the same skibbies as he was the last two years maybe that's part of the problem i'm not positive uh but I know all I know is in the gambling world, Dan Hurley is the GOAT.

Speaker 2 Okay, he covered 14 straight, has covered 14 straight tournament games. That run is still going.
Now, he won 13 straight until the close loss against the number one Florida Gators.

Speaker 2 But in the gambling world, you can always trust Dan Hurley, just like his boys can. And if he's firing, he goes, listen, basketball, that's how basketball coaches are.

Speaker 2 Like, I have never met a basketball coach in my entire life that isn't just an absolute psycho factor. Like,

Speaker 2 our high school basketball coach, off the court, great guy. Nicest history teacher of all time.
Shout out Ron Richards on the basketball court in practice. Absolute psychopath.

Speaker 2 That's just who basketball coaches are. I love it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they kind of have to be, I think, to kind of rally everybody.

Speaker 3 And, you know, because you need every single ounce of energy, every single possession, because you never know what's going to happen. And I will say that's another thing about these college hoops.

Speaker 3 I did forget about how chaotic some of these moments of basketball are. I mean, we're talking air balls.
We're talking throwing layups through the backboard.

Speaker 3 We're talking about passing it out of bounds, dribbling out of bounds. We're talking about some madness still happening on the court.

Speaker 3 But, Debucks, my question for you is: you know, obviously, we follow the NBA a little bit closer.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 I don't want to give anything away. LeBron James is going to be on the show this week.
What?

Speaker 2 What? Today?

Speaker 3 He said he didn't want to come on when your dumbass was on, Rad.

Speaker 2 That's actually fair.

Speaker 3 LeBron i don't like that yeah lebron james yeah he's going to be on this week and we follow the nba we don't follow college troops as much d but obviously you do with the yukon huskies obviously being who they are but i forgot about the style of basketball that college hoops is it is vastly different and i think that is something that i enjoy every single march madness and i'll tell you what if you if you get cold you can lose quick that st.

Speaker 3 john's team and obviously patino dog and he was surrounded by a lot of people that were all in, you know, whenever he went and saw his kid coach.

Speaker 3 But whenever you talk about what Calipari's been able to do with his Arkansas team, and then St.

Speaker 3 John's getting ice cold, it's like whoever gets hot at the right time wins this whole damn thing, Debuts. And I think that's what's special about this March Madness every single year.

Speaker 3 That's why we love it.

Speaker 2 That's why we all become college basketball experts around this time of year.

Speaker 2 Always in a kind of a neutral site, so nobody really has the full real home court advantage. So I love that part of it.
And like Connor was talking about earlier, usually there is an underdog story.

Speaker 2 There is a Cinderella story, a player or a team or a coach that just kind of takes, you know, the college basketball world, the sports world by storm.

Speaker 2 Right now, so we got all the top seeds still remaining on each, on all four. I'm excited to see how it ends up.

Speaker 2 Cooper flag, him being the, you know, we all assume he'll leave and become the number one pick. They've been dominant.
Florida's been dominant. Auburn, everybody's doing their thing, man.

Speaker 2 So I'm excited how, this is kind of when I was telling Connor before the show, Sweet 16 outside of my team, outside of UConn, this is when I really dial in.

Speaker 2 This is really, really, when the games, everybody's watching the the games, everybody's excited. But it is a completely different sport than the NBA game.
The NBA game is different.

Speaker 2 This one is much slower. Half court, who can get stops, who can have the ball in their hands and get a finish, make a big play down the stretch.

Speaker 2 So I'm excited about how this thing's going to finish out.

Speaker 3 It feels like every team has a dog, has a guy.

Speaker 3 They got a guy. And this guy right here, I mean,

Speaker 3 Duke, and listen, we didn't, I thought McWhite guy up at Yukon was potentially going to be the exciting white of college basketball. Okay, I did think that was going to be the case.

Speaker 3 I didn't pay close enough attention to Cooper Flag. What a fun.
I mean, he re-whatever. He's supposed to be a senior, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, re-class

Speaker 3 in high school. He's supposed to be a senior in high school, this guy.

Speaker 3 And obviously, what he's able to do, and his dad's a basketball player, and the high school basketball story they told during the kickoff show, and I got a chance to learn about him.

Speaker 3 I mean, he is special. And this Duke team, I mean,

Speaker 3 they don't look like every Duke team I've seen in the past. It feels like Shire's team, a little bit different than Coach K's team.

Speaker 3 Might I say

Speaker 3 likable? I almost kind of like them.

Speaker 3 And I know that's not an easy thing for Duke. So congrats to them being as dominant as they have been.
And how about January, February, and Ezo in Sweet 16 again?

Speaker 2 Way to go.

Speaker 3 Way to go, Foxy. Go green, buddy.

Speaker 2 Go white.

Speaker 4 Hell yeah. They didn't even play their best ball, especially last night.
Best player on the team, Jace Richardson. He didn't score until about three minutes left in the game.

Speaker 4 Only had six points total in the game. They still were able to pull it off.
That's how this team has been all season long. They got nine guys that all can play, that all can score.
It's been awesome.

Speaker 4 I'm very, very happy for them to be in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 3 Oh, look, he's all choked up a bunch of people. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 I'm fired up. This is a wow.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so...

Speaker 2 Go ahead. I was going to say, did you notice he talked about, you know, Jace only scoring six points?

Speaker 3 And what was the first thing that we saw Thursday when we were watching those games together the ball looks a little overinflated doesn't it yeah connor was yelling about it because we bet all the overs you know because we want points right you know what i mean rap we want let's celebrate both teams let's have fun by the way shout out to pins mechanical i think mechanical pins that place waves awesome that's where you guys were hanging on thursday yep dude

Speaker 2 good i saw this

Speaker 2 i follow you on instagram look good

Speaker 3 Oh, it's very kind of you. Thanks for following along.
We had a good time out there. You know,

Speaker 3 some would say talk was a little bit too high. We don't know know where he got those because it's not necessarily legal in Indiana.

Speaker 3 He found some CBD that really took his ass to the moon, but we wanted to have a good time and we wanted to just see points, points, points. And then everything was

Speaker 3 and then it was out. Tone, I see some people have been talking about this for years about the NCAA maybe spiking these balls to make it a double rim effect everywhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there was a player who came out this year, a few players who came out this year who said, you know, they have to adjust their shot shot potentially because of the overinflation of the ball.

Speaker 2 And then Dalton Connect was talking about it. Just grew.
Oh, yeah. yeah.

Speaker 1 This is on the dark web. I have not gotten it.

Speaker 2 No, it's on just normal web.

Speaker 5 Really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, X.bom or whatever it is. I know.

Speaker 1 I know that you're welcome.

Speaker 3 It's called research, rap.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do it.

Speaker 1 I've been researching for this moment right now.

Speaker 2 He was boozed up all weekend. He admitted to us earlier.

Speaker 6 He's very boozed up all weekend.

Speaker 3 Well, Marsh Madness. How could he not?

Speaker 1 So I stayed home. I sat in front of my TV to research this moment for this.

Speaker 2 Well, I wasn't home home.

Speaker 1 I was at a different someone else's home.

Speaker 2 Very nice.

Speaker 1 In Montana.

Speaker 2 But I was, I watched, when I took a break from skiing, I watched those homes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 When I took a break from skiing and counting money,

Speaker 3 then I would watch these basketball games take place. And I appreciate you doing that for the good of the program.

Speaker 2 For the good of the program. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do it for you guys. And I am

Speaker 1 well researched. I know all the players

Speaker 1 on some of the teams. Uh-huh.
I watched last night.

Speaker 3 Hey, who hit the game winner for Maryland?

Speaker 2 Derrick Queen. Oh,

Speaker 1 and i mean can i just that's like four steps oh

Speaker 2 four of your steps maybe

Speaker 1 one two every not not entirely wrong i mean look here's what i understand if this happened in maybe six yeah sorry i mean yeah it's a little yes yes especially if i get real excited then it's gonna short 10 yeah guy's six ten yeah um right which i'm a small bit shorter than that four

Speaker 1 if this happens in football this is the conversation all day long There's no trailing in football. That's true.
But there's other stuff that we all talk about. It's the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And if it's the Chiefs, I mean, is this not the and this is not the conversation today? It's a quick sterator hit. It's fine.
He was, you know, maybe Bob Lake. I don't know.
Was he not? Who knows?

Speaker 1 And then everyone's like, all right, moving on. And, right? I mean, it's so.

Speaker 1 And I don't know why football is like this and this, but it is so different, Pat, the like level of ref scrutiny that happens. I mean, I've watched it a hundred times and I've counted 65 steps.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but you could, you could

Speaker 2 like, you could say, you could say that

Speaker 2 traveling kind of equates, if we're doing the NFL comparison, to like a hip drop tackle.

Speaker 2 Like hip drop tackle barely got called, you know, last year when they said it was going to be a 15-yard penalty, but it didn't get called. People still did it.
And then

Speaker 3 go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 2 No, and traveling is just like that. Sorry, you go ahead.

Speaker 3 No, well, what I was going to say is the refs also heard that he said, give me the motherfucking ball.

Speaker 3 So they said, you know what? We'll let this guy kind of have a basketball moment here. And I don't know if we have the press conference clip afterwards of him talking about his coach.

Speaker 3 He was basically, yeah, here it is. This is a beautiful moment here.
And also a sign of current college ball.

Speaker 2 Derek,

Speaker 7 I know you were saying you were kind of due.

Speaker 6 This is your first game winner ever?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would have given it to him if I had known that.

Speaker 3 Magical moment. He also said in that press conference, he was asked why the players were asked as a whole, why they respond to this particular coach so well.

Speaker 3 And Derek Queen's answer was like, I'll answer this. He goes, well, he paid us the money, first of all.
So

Speaker 3 that's kind of the reason why, like, they almost said, like, we're working for this guy. Like, he's the boss.

Speaker 3 And I kind of appreciate that that mindset is happening, you know, because we're in this modern college world.

Speaker 3 where NIL is happening and, you know, trusts are paying and schools are having to pay these players.

Speaker 3 And obviously it's a wild, wild west with the rules and when they can pay, when you can't pay, yada, yada, yada, you name it.

Speaker 3 But I appreciated the fact that it seems like the way they operate is like, hey, we're paying you the money. You work for us.
Okay. And that's how they view it.
Derek Queen spoke for the team.

Speaker 3 He was like, he's the boss. He's the one paying us.
He's a hard coach, I guess. He's a player's coach.
He talks about him more than about life.

Speaker 3 It's like, and Derrick Queen's saying, why are you that confident? Him just saying, well, I'm from Baltimore for the Maryland team. I mean, it's like, that's a beautiful story.

Speaker 3 That could be, that could be the March story. I thought it was going to be Colorado State.
They had 3.7 seconds of baskets. And then Derrick Queen shoves it down our throat with a sick fundamental.

Speaker 3 Obviously, Sweet 16 is going to be great. Can't wait to continue to watch that.
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Speaker 3 Ty, congrats, dude.

Speaker 2 Wow. Got our guy.
Got our guy.

Speaker 6 Hey, listen,

Speaker 6 it got released yesterday that Iowa had basically come to terms with Drake's coach Ben McCollum. And because I didn't want to get burned again, I was, I kind of pumped the brakes a little bit.

Speaker 6 I was like, you know what? I'm not going to pop the champagne until we actually get him. And then Pete Thamel today, he announced, hey, Iowa has agreed to terms with Ben McCollum, Iowa City

Speaker 6 native. And apparently, you know, West Virginia, I thought they might have been in on it, but

Speaker 6 because he, Ren Baker was his athletic director at Northwest Missouri State, so they have ties together.

Speaker 6 Obviously, what he's done, you know, he was only at Drake for one year, but they have their best year ever. But, I mean, he was born in Iowa City.
He played, you know, high school basketball in Iowa.

Speaker 6 It was a dream job, you know, which is crazy because Iowa just seems to be the quote-unquote dream job for so many of these guys.

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 2 I guess you keep hearing that.

Speaker 6 I think that's true. No, it'll be crazy because

Speaker 6 his style.

Speaker 6 Drake had the, they allowed the least points per game per possession of any team in the country this year. So they play good defense.

Speaker 6 They kind of take the shot clock down to five or less, get a good quality shot every single time. And that is not what Iowa has been for the last 15 years.
They run a bunch.

Speaker 6 They score a bunch of points. They don't play any defense.
So it'll be very interesting to see kind of who stays, who goes, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I couldn't be more ecstatic that Iowa got Ben McCollum.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm bumped out. West Virginia was supposed to get him, obviously.
He needs to cut his hair if he's going to play Big 12 basketball, Big Ten basketball.

Speaker 3 Big 10 not messing around neither is the sec obviously seven teams still remaining uh greg sankey will join us here in about 25 minutes or so to probably take a victory lap you know because after the first round they got buried because the big 10 was 10 and oh you know the big 10 was kind of doing their thing sec had losses and then seven teams end up in the sweet 16.

Speaker 3 so sankey yeah and he predicted that he thought it was going to be seven before the tournament even started. So we will provide him an opportunity to take a victory lap.
Go ahead, Rap.

Speaker 3 Do you know Sankey well? No,

Speaker 1 I met him briefly when I covered the SEC, which my first question, I know we got a guest waiting, so I want to get to, but I'll just say my first question to Sankey is going to be, do you remember me and how sad are you that I left?

Speaker 1 But we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a sec.
Go ahead, Pat.

Speaker 3 Yeah, okay, make it about you, Rap. I do respect that.
Now, joining us, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who knows everything about everything happening in college sports.

Speaker 3 He hosts College Game Day for football and for basketball. Ladies and gentlemen, the consummate professional, Reese Dave Eddie.

Speaker 10 I'm a little worried about Ty, though, because, I mean, Iowa is going to play slow, slow, slow. But the guys up to have four national championships.

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 10 He's got 14 national championships, so, you know.

Speaker 3 Hey, Reese, he's been watching Iowa football, brother.

Speaker 2 They played slow, slow, slow. That's a great point.

Speaker 3 I was hoping for that slow-ass basketball to come to West Virginia, but that wasn't the only hire. Xavier beats Texas, knocks him out of the tournament.
Coach gets hired there.

Speaker 3 How often is this the kind of musical chairs for coaches? This is kind of the status quo here, and how many more do you think we see before the end of this whole tournament, Reese?

Speaker 10 I don't think a lot more. I think most of the musical chairs have been filled.

Speaker 10 You were making a great point earlier about sort of acknowledging the realities of the system with the players of Derek Queen and Kevin Willard.

Speaker 10 I think the same thing happened with NC State and Will Wade.

Speaker 10 You know, he told them straight up, the idea was to get a powerful job and maybe there would be opportunities for them depending on how things went. And it's a very professionalized model.

Speaker 10 I think the thing about Sean Miller going from Xavier to Texas that's interesting is that Chris Del Conti, the Texas athletic director, who I know you guys know,

Speaker 10 loves to make the big hire. Sean's been very successful both at Arizona and in both of his stents at Xavier.

Speaker 10 You know, kind of tough, I'm sure, from their standpoint, because Xavier extended him a lifeline. But, hey, look, they knew if this opportunity came up, he was going to move on,

Speaker 10 and he did, and he'll do a great job at Texas. But

Speaker 10 I think we're close to done because I think most of the big, not all, obviously, but most of the big jobs are filled. And I don't know that we'll have any more pop open right now.

Speaker 3 West Virginia is still wide-ass open, Reese.

Speaker 10 That's why I said, not many, not many. I said, there's obviously that one.
Who do you want, Pat? I think you should, I I think West Virginia, you want to bring back Huggins.

Speaker 10 You brought back Rich Rod, right?

Speaker 2 Not a bad idea.

Speaker 3 Yeah, a little sooner, a little different. I mean, 15 years, like a year and a half.
I mean, there's, you know, there's different conversations for everybody.

Speaker 3 Whoever's going to win, we can't wait to see them get there. I thought McCollum was coming.
Maybe that Calhoun fella, maybe Coach Fraser, who's already on the staff. I'm sure Wren will do it.

Speaker 3 Okay, let's move to the tournament itself as opposed to the coaches. Did we know that it was going to be heavily favored for the favorites?

Speaker 3 And, Reese, a lot of people are saying NIL and Transfer Portal and everything like that potentially killed Cinderella stories forever.

Speaker 3 Is that real or is this an overreaction, you think, to potentially what's happening right in front of us, Reese?

Speaker 10 I think that there is some truth to it, but I don't believe that it's killed it forever because the guys who are having opportunities to move up have to be at the other level at some point.

Speaker 10 And you're going to have the Cinderella teams that have veteran guys as we've had in the past. make runs.
I mean, almost saw it with Colorado State last night.

Speaker 10 I think there will still be Cinderellas. I do think it will be maybe a bit more rare than it's been in the past, simply because, I mean, look,

Speaker 10 every team that's contending, virtually every team that's contending, and that's a high seed, they have a large number of players who have moved up.

Speaker 10 And, you know, I think that's just a reality of where we are. I'm for it.
All of us look for better opportunities in life, and I don't have any problem with the players moving up, too.

Speaker 10 But, you know, it probably does come at the expense of it will be rare to see multiple cinderellas like make it to the sweet 16 or more rare than it's been in the past all right rap

Speaker 1 so one of the things we were talking about kind of coming in here reese is uh daniel hurley uh ucon coach you know went a little viral on danny on the way to i appreciate that daniel on on the way to the um on the way to the locker room but you know look it's a brief moment um it's probably the most memorable one here but he's had a lot of memorable moments as UConn's coach.

Speaker 1 Now that they are out, can you help us appreciate the run that UConn's had over the last two

Speaker 1 into three years? Thank you, Rhett.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Rho.

Speaker 10 I think it's one of the great

Speaker 10 runs in modern tournament history because it is so difficult to keep a team together. Because if you have great young players, they go to the NBA.

Speaker 10 If you have great older players, somebody bids a lot more money, you have to manage your salary cap.

Speaker 10 Then you also have to deal with complacency, which is, as we've been told many times by people familiar to all of us, is the enemy of greatness.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 they were able to

Speaker 10 fight that off largely because of the force of Danny's personality. And he has to have his kind of guys playing for him.

Speaker 10 Not just anybody's going to be able to go and play at Connecticut for Dan Hurley. You've got to have a little edge to you.
You've got to have a little bit of a thick skin.

Speaker 10 And all of those guys want to be coached that way. And I was not, I think Florida's the best team in the tournament.
I still do.

Speaker 10 And I was not at all surprised that they had to fight with every ounce of their being to take that away from UConn because UConn wasn't going to hand it over for a second. As far as the aftermath,

Speaker 10 look,

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 he is the best coach in the game, in my judgment. But that's just him.
He's going to do that stuff.

Speaker 10 He's going to have these fits of peak, you know, in the moments afterward and feel like that he got hosed and all of this. So I'm not too bothered by it.

Speaker 10 I think he got a little bothered by some stuff I said earlier this year when he's lying on the floor and screaming the officials and stuff like that. But you know, he'll get over it.

Speaker 10 He's a great coach.

Speaker 2 Did he say something to you?

Speaker 10 No, he sent word that he didn't appreciate it. So it was okay.
But I don't bother.

Speaker 3 He sent a capo? He sent like one of his captains.

Speaker 10 I don't think he sent word. I think he just shared it and then it was shared with me.
But it's okay. We're good.
I think the world of him. I enjoy talking to him.

Speaker 10 I think he's a fascinating dude, man. And I know he's a great coach.
And, you know, he gets, you know, he gets mad. It's okay.
And we all do sometimes.

Speaker 3 Brees, you know, Rappaport came in here and he didn't know he was talking to a Dan Hurley friendly crowd. You know, he came in with his journalism degree.
Oh, really?

Speaker 3 I don't like the way Danny Hurley acts, you know, and this entire thing. And he is a bit much.
And then we immediately went to Tiriani, who operates in his own fashion as well.

Speaker 3 If you can get the boys to buy in, who cares how you act? That's what coaching is all about. Cause you bring out the best in people.

Speaker 3 Let's talk about Calapari with the job he did with this Arkansas team. We talked to Calapari, Western Pennsylvania Italian, Paisano.
We talked to him last year when he took the Arkansas job.

Speaker 3 They didn't even have a team. I don't even think they had a player.
I think everybody was gone. That's right.
They didn't have it.

Speaker 3 And the way Calapari tells you, he's like, we don't even have a locker room was basically what he was saying in the entirety. Now they go 0-5 to begin the season against the SEC.

Speaker 3 Now they're in a sweet 16, obviously knocking off Paison Petino, St. John's team, who couldn't make a shot for the life of them, which he knew was a potential problem for that St.
John's team.

Speaker 3 Let's assume they get that fixed for next year. But whenever you talk about GOAT conversations, Calapari's in it.
So is Petino, I guess. So is Izzo.
Like, where does Calapari rank in all that?

Speaker 3 And what does this year's team look like in comparison to his previous teams, Reese?

Speaker 10 I mean, they're not nearly as deep.

Speaker 10 They're talented, but certainly not as talented as some of his great Kentucky teams.

Speaker 10 But you're looking at a team now that is two wins away from making John Calapari the first coach to take four different programs to the final four.

Speaker 2 Four.

Speaker 10 And Petino was, we thought Petino might be the guy to do that because he also has taken three.

Speaker 10 And now it's Cal with a 10 seed.

Speaker 10 You know, if you, the death of Cinderella is suddenly John Calapari in Arkansas with a double-digit seed and the sweet 16.

Speaker 10 I think it's one of his best coaching jobs.

Speaker 10 And while I think he was underappreciated at the end at Kentucky, I think the fresh, if you want to use the metaphor, a fresh shot clock was really good for both parties.

Speaker 10 It was good for Kentucky, and it was good for John. And he's done a fabulous job with this team.
And he seemed like the old Cal yesterday.

Speaker 10 We had him on game day yesterday morning, and he's cracking jokes and being self-effacing and talking about all the things that have gone wrong and all of this stuff.

Speaker 10 So he seems to be in his element, a little bit of an underdog, and he seems to enjoy life a little more that way.

Speaker 3 We're hoping he stops by here tomorrow or maybe the next day to Chit Chapter 4, the Sweet 16. LeBron James also on the show this week.
I don't know if you know that, Reese.

Speaker 3 Anyways, let's stick with the March Madness convo. D-Bot has a question for you, Reese.

Speaker 2 Yeah, sticking with March Madness, we're talking about teams and obviously great, great coaches.

Speaker 2 But for the casual fan out there tuned in now, who are the most exciting players left in the tourney now? We're in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 10 Well, everybody knows about Cooper Flag and Jania Broom. They've been battling for player of the year all year, and this is not going too far out on a limb because it's a one seed.

Speaker 10 But, man, Walter Clayton Jr. at Florida is, I mean, he just looks like an NBA guy.
Such a quick and pure release. I didn't think he was playing his best offensively yesterday.

Speaker 10 And then when Florida needed clutch shots, he made them. I think he is as much fun to watch as anybody in the tournament.
I think he is, you know, he's just a sensational guy.

Speaker 10 Jace Richardson of Michigan State is a guy that's really come on in his freshman year.

Speaker 10 That's terrific, I think. And

Speaker 10 there are a number of other guys.

Speaker 10 I think Alabama has a couple of young players that are fun to watch. Everybody knows about Mark Sears, but LeBaron Phylon is one of the fastest players that you'll see in the country.

Speaker 10 And them playing BYU, and I think you guys are familiar with the Tater Tot King, Richie Saunders, grandfather, I think, invented, developed, or whatever you do with a Tater Tot.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that's going to be, I mean, these guys are going to be, that's going to be the most entertaining game of all.

Speaker 10 Both those teams will score, you know, in the 90s, I think, in that Sweet 16 matchup. So there are a lot of really fun players to watch out there.

Speaker 3 Happy birthday to J.J. Watt, heartbreaker for Wisconsin to go down to BYU.
But also,

Speaker 3 I didn't know the Mormons had tater tots in their back pockets. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 I did not know that.

Speaker 3 That was a big deal. Go ahead, Conman.
Go ahead, Carmen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Reese, obviously the first couple rounds we're mentioning and talking about the Cinderella's being dead. Do you think that kind of continues into these Sweet 16 Elite Eight games?

Speaker 2 Do you think those top, you know, Duke, Bama, Kentucky, some of those teams, Houston, are they going to continue to just roll?

Speaker 2 Or do you think that some of these four seeds, like a Maryland, like an Arkansas and Calapari, might be able to kind of upset those big programs?

Speaker 10 I think Arkansas has got a chance because of its matchup, and I do think Alabama has a massive challenge.

Speaker 10 They're not shooting the ball great from three, and that's not really what you want against BYU. But Florida, Auburn, Duke, I think you see all of them move on.
I think you see Michigan State move on.

Speaker 10 So I think for the most part, you'll see that. The Tennessee-Kentucky thing is interesting because, you know, Kentucky's beaten them a couple of times.
this year.

Speaker 10 So Tennessee's had their issues with them. So, you know, I think for the most part, I expect you'll see, I think you'll see three one seeds in the final four.

Speaker 10 And I think there's a possibility that maybe for just the second time in tournament history that, you know, you couldn't be surprised that obviously

Speaker 10 Duke, Houston, Florida, and Auburn all make the final four.

Speaker 1 Is this better? Sorry to interrupt, but is this like, I know

Speaker 1 we love the Buzzerbeaters and we love the Cinderella, but like when

Speaker 1 you get to the final weekend and there's a nine seed that we don't know any of the players, like it always feels like, ah, you kind of wish like, you know, I know the players, Pat.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying people who are more laymen.

Speaker 1 Isn't this, in the end, the layman, yeah, for the normal humans.

Speaker 1 Right, normal, right, exactly. You know what I mean, though?

Speaker 10 I, I think that once you get here, it's always nice to have a mix. Last year was a pretty cool mix because you had two behemoths in UConn and Purdue.

Speaker 10 You had an ultimate Cinderella story in NC State who had, you know, who had saved their coach's job, won the ACC tournament, and then made it all the way to the Final Four.

Speaker 10 And you had Alabama breaking through for the first time. So you had a mix last year.
But I also remember being there in 2008 when all of the one seeds made it, and it felt huge.

Speaker 10 And I think if you have all one seeds or maybe three one seeds in a

Speaker 10 Tennessee or a Michigan State or whoever it might be,

Speaker 10 as a two, if you have those huge brand names, that's good too. So, you know, there's good theater either way.

Speaker 10 So the one price you pay for the massive upset early is that it often turns into Sweet 16 Elite Eight-type blowouts. You may still get blowouts.

Speaker 10 There's no guarantee against it, but I do think you get bigger matchups when you have a little more chalkiness in the bracket up to this point.

Speaker 3 Rap, you look very athletic, very cool, very calm. That's very nice of you.

Speaker 1 That's weird. Baseball.

Speaker 3 That's actually from Ireland, brother.

Speaker 2 Slitzer, isn't that where you are?

Speaker 2 No, I'm in Scotland, you frick. It's not this day.
You disrespectful son of geography.

Speaker 2 We're going to beat the piss out of you.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, it's like very similar.

Speaker 1 When I was talking to, I kept this very quiet, but I was talking to some people close to me, and I mentioned that Pat is in Ireland,

Speaker 1 which I assumed was true. I'm in Scotland.

Speaker 3 And it is a different country than Ireland. Just like Wales is over here.

Speaker 2 All of countries are here. New that one.

Speaker 3 Including Tyler, who did this.

Speaker 3 Fantastic fade. Even

Speaker 3 what's that? The straight-edge razor? Oh, yeah. Is that what a

Speaker 3 fucking lit the thing on fire? No, he did. Let the thing on fire.
Actually, put a little salt on it, lit the thing on fire right in front of me.

Speaker 2 And then he put the thing on it. I'm like,

Speaker 3 yeah, it was exactly like that. A little fire, little shotgun.
I don't know if they put 151 Bacardi on there. Sure.
And then lit it on fire. But Tyler was a, and then he comes in, attacks the neck.

Speaker 3 I'm like, I got sensitive skin, Tyler. He's like, I got you.
And then he

Speaker 3 goes through the entire thing. It was a magical time.
But this is Scotland, you prick. Okay.

Speaker 3 And this is a great country good people come to glasgow it is uh it was a very active active downtown very active it might be the nicest day in this town's history sun shining clear skies i was the only person with sunglasses so that i don't think they celebrate here it was

Speaker 3 it was a it was a it's been a wonderful wonderful morning legitimately let's get back to some college hoops though you sound so typical journalists ian rapperport we need the big names in there but reese let's go to you we're gonna have sankey joining us here in a moment secspn this This is exactly what you and Seth Greenberg wanted, isn't it, Reese?

Speaker 3 It isn't what you guys wanted, Rhys Davis.

Speaker 10 You know, the funny thing is, is, boy, we got a little blowback from the picks made immediately on brachatology with all the ones and two seeds and all the SEC teams.

Speaker 10 And then when the SEC teams lost, which is bound to happen, there were 14 of them in there. People say, see, they stink.
And now they've got seven of the Sweet 16.

Speaker 10 And if they don't have three in the final four, then everybody will say, oh, they stink. They were overrated.

Speaker 10 It was the best conference I've seen. And, you know,

Speaker 10 whether someone says, well, the conference play wore out a team or they peaked too soon or whether someone says it, you know, got them ready for the rigors of the tournament all depends on whether they win games or not.

Speaker 10 You know, Ole Miss after its win yesterday, well, we had all these battles in conference play that got us ready.

Speaker 10 You know, there had been some concern about Auburn, whether they had peaked too soon because of the level they'd played at.

Speaker 10 So a lot of this sort of is revision as history based on your outcome, but it was the best conference. Doesn't mean the other teams can't beat them.

Speaker 10 Doesn't mean that the other conferences weren't good, but it was historically great in conference play this year, and they're reaping the benefits of it now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, old myths making it is just so funny to think about because, you know, we were obviously a part of the conversation here very late that the SEC is very good.

Speaker 3 Seth Greenberg, SEC SPN host alongside you, he came in and was just like, the SEC, the SEC. Then Sankey comes on and and Sankey's like,

Speaker 3 what do you want? We committed fully to basketball. We knew it was a down thing.
We have gymnastics. We have baseball.
We have softball. We have football.

Speaker 3 Our men's basketball, we have women's basketball. Our men's basketball was kind of down.
So we invested in men's basketball and they kind of go about, you know, doing the entirety.

Speaker 3 Then you watch the old Miss team. It's like, they got Chris Beard as their coach.
Like, coaching matters in this tournament.

Speaker 3 And then all of a sudden, the old Miss team, which is way down, I think, in the SEC pecking order at this moment, I don't know about what it's going to be in the future.

Speaker 3 They got beard coaching down there. It's like that dude creates dogs.
Like, that's literally, that's what his team is. So, you watch it all kind of fall into place.

Speaker 3 It's like, it makes sense that they are as dominant as they are. I can't wait for the Sankey victory lap year while they can still do it.
Go ahead, Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Reese, speaking of Seth, we had him on last week, and he kind of said how, in years past, or starting a couple years ago, he said, hey,

Speaker 6 the ACC and the Big East should form some sort of super conference for basketball.

Speaker 6 Now, obviously, football kind of muddies that up a little bit, but after, I mean, ACC used to be the king of college basketball, and now Duke is the only team in the Sweet 16.

Speaker 6 I can't imagine they're very happy about that.

Speaker 6 Is there a chance that this kind of gets brought back to the table and they do kind of explore this a little bit more after how dismal of a performance the ACC had in the tournament this year?

Speaker 10 I think it was a wake-up call, Ty, as if they didn't have it already.

Speaker 10 I don't know that it will lead to any type of merch or maybe some type of scheduling arrangement to boost their resumes come selection Sunday.

Speaker 10 But I think you've already seen a lot of the ACC teams respond to this. A year after going to the Final Four, NC State makes a coaching change.

Speaker 10 Virginia has hired

Speaker 10 Ryan Odom now. North Carolina is changing the way it operates in terms of general manager.

Speaker 10 I think they were a little bit, if not a lot, slow on the draw about the way things, you guys were talking about it earlier, Derek Queen saying They paid us the money.

Speaker 10 I think North Carolina was still of the mindset of, well, Michael Jordan and Jerry Stackhouse played here. You know, you should just come play here.

Speaker 10 And, you know, they weren't as competitive as they needed to be in some situations in terms of acquiring talent. I think that's about to change.

Speaker 10 Duke obviously has been on the cutting edge of this and leading the way. So I think you're going to see a bit of a resurgence from the ACC.

Speaker 10 Scheduling games get a big used to be great just because it would be entertainment and good and good content. But I don't think it's necessary for their survival.

Speaker 3 Reese, I love that I knew there was no way you were going to be on board with an ACC Big East.

Speaker 2 I knew that.

Speaker 3 It's like that ain't,

Speaker 3 we don't need to be rearranging everything just for one particular year to be kind of changed. But it is fascinating.
If you're thinking, I mean, Duke Yukon.

Speaker 3 at MSG, that would be, I mean, granted, that's just one week of the year.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Let alone everything.

Speaker 10 Now, scheduling arrangements, I'm all for scheduling arrangements, but more Duke and more UConn.

Speaker 10 You can put me down for that, which is a strange thing. The UConn fans, really, as a whole, they can't stand Duke.
And I don't understand that because if anyone historically

Speaker 10 has had Duke's number in big spots, they always win.

Speaker 10 And yet, for some reason,

Speaker 10 they hold this contempt for Duke that I don't quite know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know. Teabot, you guys jealous?

Speaker 2 I mean, we are the blues of bloods when it comes to programs. programs.
So why would we be jealous? You look at the last hot year.

Speaker 10 I know.

Speaker 9 You always beat them.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not of that

Speaker 2 part of the group who has this jealousy or this hatred for Duke. Don't really care that much about him.
It's all about you, Combat. You're women's and men's.

Speaker 2 We've been dominant, so why would we be, you know, Duke's all the time? I mean,

Speaker 3 if we want to talk about who, if we want to talk about who's been more dominant as of late, how come DeVries wanted to get out of West Virginia and go to Indiana at least?

Speaker 3 Last couple of years, West Virginia's. Go ahead.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I don't know the answer personally. I mean, unless Nina just had a thing about, you know, Indiana, historically, one of the great programs is sort of, I mean, West Virginia has been great too.

Speaker 9 I'm not disputing that.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 10 You know, just

Speaker 10 the championships and Bob Knight and the Hoosiers movie and sort of in the DNA of the culture. Would you argue, Pat, that West Virginia is more of a football culture?

Speaker 10 most of America is a football culture but more of a football culture than a basketball one even with Jerry well Jerry West and the the greats that have been there

Speaker 3 uh definitely a you know coal mining you know that's a football place but the history of basketball is obviously very serious you talk about the logo for the nba coming through there now with that being said Stignetti down in Indiana.

Speaker 3 You know, don't get it twisted. You know, Baison came in and brought a football thing.
I think that's why Indiana is in such a good spot.

Speaker 3 With that being said, as somebody who married into an Indiana family, I understand why DeVries went to Indiana. Okay.

Speaker 3 Hate it that West Virginia is still currently coachless, but I very much understand that I got respect for Ren.

Speaker 3 Now, Toen has a question for you, and I think it's probably going to be about the gambling. And those of us who cheer for the little guy and bet on the underdog,

Speaker 3 kind of a bummer these last few days. Go ahead, Toan.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Pat knows me super well. It is going to be about the gambling.
And

Speaker 2 I was kind of thinking about this. When we had the college football playoff, you know, there was 12 teams in there, but we were like, not all 12 of these teams can win the national championship.

Speaker 2 Not going to say, like, hey, we knew SMU probably wasn't going to win the national championship, Indiana, whatever.

Speaker 2 But now that we are here with 16 left in the basketball tournament, is there a chance, like, can all 16,

Speaker 2 since there was no super like upsets and there is not the true Cinderella in this, is there a chance that any of these 16 could actually win the national championship?

Speaker 10 I don't, I would be surprised. Okay.

Speaker 10 I think there are still

Speaker 9 five or six.

Speaker 10 I would say the ones I think Florida is the best team. I think Duke is right there with them.
I think Auburn is not far behind. Houston can win it.

Speaker 10 And then after that, after those four, I think some things would have to fall right. It has to fall right for

Speaker 10 Tennessee, Alabama, Michigan State. I think it would have to fall right.
And then beyond that,

Speaker 10 I would be surprised. I don't think I've left anybody out.
So I think it's really

Speaker 10 and then a couple of others that have a shot at it.

Speaker 10 So seven wouldn't stun me. Anything beyond those seven teams would be very surprising to me.

Speaker 1 Reese, you keep talking about Florida being the team you think is best. The public generally seems to be on Duke.
Why do you think, what does Florida have that Duke doesn't have?

Speaker 10 They're a little bit older, although Duke does have some veterans. And I think Seth Breenberg has put it very well.

Speaker 10 Florida has two of everything, and they're gargantuan, and I think, you know, the Cooper flag is great, but so too is Walter Clayton Jr.

Speaker 10 And I think Florida's got just a ton of size. They can play with great pace.

Speaker 10 They've got guys off the bench who can produce.

Speaker 10 And the shot that you're showing right now is just a fantastic shot. And Clayton just made some time and time again.

Speaker 10 Got Final Four experience with Elijah Martin, who went to the Final Four with FAU a couple couple years ago.

Speaker 10 Look, it's not by a wide margin. I'm not saying Duke can't beat them.

Speaker 9 They certainly can.

Speaker 10 But, you know, if I have to rank them in order, I'm putting Florida at the top of the list.

Speaker 3 I love watching that Florida team. They were humming early.
They were running fast. It was going.
Now, obviously, Yukon was able to get back into it, and it became a great game.

Speaker 3 The offensive rebounding that they did at the very end obviously seals it for them. But a lot of fun teams to watch.
When are you guys back on TV? It was fun watching you this weekend.

Speaker 10 Saturday morning, 11 a.m. Eastern Time.
Slows down a little bit, and then we'll

Speaker 10 have a big show around the final floor.

Speaker 3 I like Jay Billis in

Speaker 3 his bedroom looking in a sport coat and a suit to be professional. I like that.

Speaker 3 I like Pete Thamel checking in with some breaking news. Hopefully, he'll tell us that a great coach is going to West Virginia.
We appreciate the hell out of you, Reese.

Speaker 10 Likewise, guys. Have a good one.
Enjoy Scotland.

Speaker 3 Thank you. That's the country, Ian, you piece of trash.
Lay out at Reese David.

Speaker 3 Hey, Rap, before we have the SEC commissioner join us here in a matter of moments, why don't you tell us about what's going on with Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 3 Did anybody know he was traveling out to Pittsburgh on Friday? And that was just a meet and greet. What was it from your end of the source

Speaker 3 spectrum? And what do you think got accomplished here? And what do you think we're looking at here going forward?

Speaker 1 God, I love these Photoshops. That is, he looks.

Speaker 2 That's not a Photoshop. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He looks so old.

Speaker 2 So as far as

Speaker 3 he's healthy, fit.

Speaker 2 He's 42.

Speaker 1 Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 Look at those biceps, man. Random.

Speaker 3 Yeah, look at that vascularity.

Speaker 1 That is a gray beard right there. Just remember.
Afford a gray product. Anyway,

Speaker 3 never dye your beard. For those that are listening, we know you're dying your beard.
Don't do it.

Speaker 2 Don't do it. Dye and dig it.
Bob Sala.

Speaker 3 You name it. We can go through a lot of names of people that dye their beard, and we just want to let them know we know.
Like, I'm 37, and I got a lot of gray and white in my beard.

Speaker 3 You can't dye it because it turns purple. We can see.
We know what's happening. Just do it.
Anyways, back to you, Rap.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you what, not a lot of dyed beards on this set right here.

Speaker 3 You're right. We would never do that, Raps.
That's what we were just saying. I respect it.

Speaker 1 Everyone's. I respect it.

Speaker 1 So as far as who...

Speaker 3 Don't you dye your beard? Don't hold on. Let's kick them out.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 these things right here get super white. So, you know, just a little touch of gray.
Throw a little just from a touch of gray in her. Wait.

Speaker 3 I haven't been able to tell.

Speaker 3 You got me.

Speaker 2 That's touch of gray football, brother. What the hell?

Speaker 3 I did not know that. Never mind.
Go ahead, and rap. Anyways, on the Aaron Rodgers stuff.
Jeez. This is called

Speaker 2 what it is.

Speaker 1 This is called reporting. This is literally reporting.

Speaker 9 This is journalism right now. Journalism.

Speaker 2 Great cowboy.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I would say this on the Rodgers.

Speaker 3 The silver cowboy.

Speaker 2 That's fine.

Speaker 1 It's true.

Speaker 1 It was amazing to me. And, you know, we've sort of talked about this before, the close circle that Aaron Rodgers has.
Not a lot of people knew about this visit.

Speaker 1 People very close to him did not know about this visit, which, you know, look, this leaked or not leaked, I hate that word.

Speaker 1 It broke from a reporter who's covered the Steelers for a very long time and is very tied in there

Speaker 1 only once he was in the building, right? So like for a lot of us, I think, you know, we sort of thought a visit would be coming, but just to be frank, like I was also like,

Speaker 1 I saw the news and was like, okay, I guess it's today. I didn't know either.
And so I think there were a lot of people real close to him that were sort of a little bit in the dark,

Speaker 1 which I think he likes. Now, as far as the visit, and we'll get into this a little more when Greg Sankey's not waiting for us and you let me know when to shut up so he can get on.

Speaker 1 But it sounded like it went really well.

Speaker 2 And that is my sense. It sounded like really well.

Speaker 3 I think he wanted to, I think they both probably wanted to get to know each other.

Speaker 3 You know, the way Jerry Dulak has been reporting on the Steelers for a very long time, I assume as soon as he walks in a building, somebody sees him that Jerry knows and tips him off and Jerry reports it and then everybody else kind of follows suit.

Speaker 3 With that being said, I think it was both sides wanting to get to know. You know, the Michigan Pro Day was allegedly happening on this particular Friday.

Speaker 3 They opted not to go to the Michigan Pro Day to meet with Aaron ownership. Obviously, the con artist Omar Khan, Mike Tomlin, probably numerous others around the building.

Speaker 3 I don't know if this was necessarily just him trying to get a feelout for what the Pittsburgh Steelers would be like, but also Pittsburgh Steelers may be getting a feelout for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 Will this thing work, maybe? You know,

Speaker 3 I'm pretty excited, but you're saying that it was good. The reporting, the message that I got afterwards was a positive message as well from my source.

Speaker 3 Now, obviously, no agreement happens during that day. And is Aaron still contemplating whether or not he was going to continue to play?

Speaker 3 New York Giants allegedly still very much in on this, right, Rap? Is that accurate, even though they signed Jameis Winston? Yeah, I don't think.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Jameis Winston thing is sort of like we need a backup quarterback, right?

Speaker 1 So, and that to me makes sense.

Speaker 1 These things, contracts speaks, right? So Jameis Winston gets $4 million a year. That is backup quarterback money, right? That is, to me, the best way to tell.
It's like, look at the contract.

Speaker 1 That will tell you everything.

Speaker 1 I would say Giants are still in it. Now, you know, as far as I can tell, there's not been a visit to the Giants, but I know there's been communication there.
So

Speaker 1 it seems to me that he knows what he needs to know. Right? Like, visited the Steelers.
Again, really positive from both sides.

Speaker 1 I think they came away with it being like, all right, like this, this could work.

Speaker 1 And look, when Rogers talks football, like really, when he talks everything, it's kind of compelling and fascinating from

Speaker 1 to whatever,

Speaker 1 especially in this show, isn't it?

Speaker 3 500-page report before anybody else.

Speaker 3 Just everything he says, yeah, people listen to. Just on the record, I'd like to let that be known.
Maybe too much. Too much, I'd say.
Too much, I'd say.

Speaker 3 But with that being said, incredibly deep thinker. Like, I think people just kind of shoe him off as a prima donna and everything like that.

Speaker 3 He's a hippie, deep thinker, wants to make sure everything is the right decision, especially because to your point, he is older. This is the last decision he's probably going to make in football.

Speaker 3 Let's pivot away from Aaron Rodgers. We'll talk more about that, what Ian has.

Speaker 3 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is the commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, who currently has seven teams in the men's Suite 16. Ladies and gentlemen, Grip Sanctuary.

Speaker 3 Coach, Commission, we know you have something here in a few minutes, so we appreciate you taking the time. After the first round, you guys were getting killed.

Speaker 3 You know, you guys lost a few games, and then now you have almost half of the teams left in the Sweet 16. How was the emotional roller coaster for you over the last couple of days?

Speaker 3 And how do you feel about your conference and their performance thus far?

Speaker 11 I'll start at the end. It's always nice to break records.
So we've done that on the men's side. I think we probably have a chance today.

Speaker 11 On the women's side, I know in particular, you guys are cheering for Oklahoma over Iowa and women's basketball league.

Speaker 2 Shut up.

Speaker 2 Shot right out of the gate. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 11 there's There's like an irrational anxiety. If you were like next to me during these games, there's nothing I can contribute, right?

Speaker 11 And you're watching the highs and the lows.

Speaker 11 I pounded my fist on the table a couple of times over the four days of the tournament. But good news is we had a pretty good Saturday, Sunday.
Went 7-1.

Speaker 2 Go ahead, Rap.

Speaker 1 I was actually going to get right to that. No, look,

Speaker 1 I was going to open the floor to a victory lap, but you seem to have already taken that.

Speaker 5 When you're watching,

Speaker 1 as you should, by the way, I'm an SEC guy. I covered Mississippi Friday.

Speaker 9 Let it go.

Speaker 2 Let it go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're good. Columbia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but hey, I got a cowbell in my NFL Network studio. All right.

Speaker 2 We're all in.

Speaker 2 Which

Speaker 1 I'm sure Commissioner knew.

Speaker 1 I was wondering, how do you watch? Like, can you take us into like,

Speaker 2 are you full-throated, like, for every team? And then you move.

Speaker 1 No, not in a weird way, Pat.

Speaker 2 Not in a weird way.

Speaker 1 Like, describe to us what it's like for you watching the NCAA tournament, knowing what you said, knowing what a lot of people think of the SEC, what's it like?

Speaker 11 I'll show you.

Speaker 11 Here's a visual example. When I'm at games, I have a little card and I have the time, the timeout, and the teams.

Speaker 11 You know, college basketball in particular is a game of streaks, like scoring streaks, defensive streaks. And so my nervous energy is the outlet as I track the games as they go based on the timeouts.

Speaker 11 I was sitting next to Steve McClain, senior associate D, works in communication to Florida yesterday because I attended games in Lexington and Raleigh over the weekends.

Speaker 11 He probably has a bruise on his upper thigh because I punched him when things went well.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Punched him harder when things went poorly.

Speaker 11 You're sitting at a table where decorum is important. You guys know this from a media perspective.
You're all in the media.

Speaker 2 You can't hear and stand.

Speaker 11 So I try to manage my emotions under the table. How's that for an explanation? But I track the games.
I'm interested in what happens and, you know, fouls that happen.

Speaker 11 The end of the UConn, Florida game, I went, you know, through both sides of my little note card onto another note card because there were so many reviews and timeouts and moments.

Speaker 3 Well, Dan Hurley has something to say to you, I assume, and hopefully he'll get a job. No, not to me.

Speaker 11 Everybody else, not to me.

Speaker 2 I'm like the good guy.

Speaker 11 Definitely to you.

Speaker 3 Deeba, we'll have the last question for you here in about a second. But my question for you is, if you guys don't win the national championship now, bust.

Speaker 3 This is all big fail. The SEC stinks of basketball.

Speaker 3 Is that how we should view it and talk about it?

Speaker 11 Yeah, people write that. No, not at all.
I think we've achieved things that aren't there. Now, I want to be on that trophy stand.
But every one of these games is unique. You guys are competitors.

Speaker 11 You understand that, right? The ball bounces a different way, bounces off the rim.

Speaker 11 Funny. You know, yesterday it fell our way.
You want to keep the momentum going. And having seven of 16, I like our chances.

Speaker 11 But there's at this point, at this point in the tournament, every one of these teams is a great team. So it'd be fun to watch games be played.
That's reality. You put it at risk.

Speaker 11 If there's nothing at risk competitively, like, why would people be interested? The fact that it's competitive and close, that's what's cool.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's been a lot of great games. Go ahead, Debut, last question.

Speaker 2 Yeah, speaking of, you know, obviously the commission of the SEC, probably one of the top three most powerful men in sports.

Speaker 2 Something that kind of took over my time. I don't know about the rest of the boys here.
What's like your morning routine?

Speaker 2 You know, getting ready for your days, whether it's a tournament, college football, playoffs, whatever it is.

Speaker 11 Usually I'm up at 5.30, go for a run,

Speaker 11 eat breakfast at home, pretty boring, drink my coffee in the office, usually before eight. We had a...

Speaker 11 Had a power outage because of a storm, so I couldn't get my garage door to open.

Speaker 2 a little bit of a technical so then what happens hold on what are you like

Speaker 11 in it on the bottom thing or how i was i was texting staff for a ride actually texting staff somebody a little bit of a design flaw we have to work on there

Speaker 11 i don't know if this is good tv or not but that's what happened so usually i get up and run and and uh read a little bit today i was trying to figure out how to get inside my garage so i could drive to work okay hey commish why don't you stick your face into some sparkling water with ice in it tomorrow?

Speaker 3 And good luck the rest of the way. We appreciate the hell out of you stopping by.

Speaker 11 Cheers.

Speaker 3 Cheers to you, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, the commissioner of the SEC.
Great. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Commission.

Speaker 3 Hey, so that guy's a former football player, right?

Speaker 2 Old buddy? Yeah. Yep.
How Corn State. Yeah, Tone was watching his film this morning.
Yeah, good huddle tape. Good huddle tape out there.

Speaker 3 He can move, dude. This guy can move.
You know, like, I saw a lethal shooter once again hit a gummy bear into a bottle yesterday. And then I watched this guy run.

Speaker 3 And it's like, some of these fitness influencers a little bit different than the others some of these trick shop people a little bit different than the others this guy sticking his face in sparkling water at 4 a.m certainly something but i got massive respect for this man massive respect for this man that seems terrible what do you mean go on there it is for it 545 i'll tell you this i did uh i did a little cold plunging in montana people don't know that it was awful we'll be back after this pat don't go anywhere don't go anywhere we're coming back

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Speaker 1 Welcome back to the Thunderdome.

Speaker 1 I am looking at you over there because that's where this camera is and there's other cameras but I have found this one. I am Ian Rappaport.

Speaker 2 Many

Speaker 1 see I paused for dramatic effect pat.

Speaker 1 I am in for Pat McAfee today. Pat is in Luxembourg with the WWE.
Jesus.

Speaker 2 WWE.

Speaker 1 It is on.

Speaker 3 You need, hey, some Scottish fella is going to run into you one day and smack you right in the mouth for disrespecting this country.

Speaker 3 Scotland. I'm in Glasgow, Scotland.
Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm in Glasgow. It's former shipbuilding town.
Okay. Then they started working on the docks.
Then they started getting a little finance in tech. Okay.
Yeah. You need to show a little bit of respect.

Speaker 3 A lot of history here while also evolving into the modern day. Active Glasgow this morning.
Shout out to Cafe Sono, okay?

Speaker 3 And my guy Fahi and his mom from Turkey making a wonderful Scottish breakfast this morning.

Speaker 3 It's been a fantastic day as something pops up on my screen there. You are something.
Okay, great. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 It's great. Monday Night Raw here tonight, live, 4 p.m.
Eastern on Netflix. And you're disgusting, Rappaport, the way you talk about this country.
It's a beautiful place.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'd love to go there and play golf when I help the Scottish psychopath Drew McIntyre smacks the taste out of your mouth.

Speaker 3 He's actually quite calculated.

Speaker 2 Quite calculated. Not much of a psychic.

Speaker 2 Rap.

Speaker 3 Disgusting. Everything you're doing is disgusting, but we appreciate you traveling to Indianapolis, rap.
Why do you do that?

Speaker 1 I had the middle seat on the way here. It was tough.

Speaker 2 Comfort plus.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but for you, but for you, that's like a king, right? You know, like a king-sized rod. Because I mean, two shoulders are kind of shimmy.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it is. I must say, I was in Comfort Plus, and I didn't need it.

Speaker 2 I had enough, I was almost too much leg room. That's surprising.
Interestingly enough. You sleep off lights, work, read? No.

Speaker 1 So I just lose.

Speaker 1 I was watching the Netflix golf, you know, golf.

Speaker 2 Full swing.

Speaker 1 Full swing, which was amazing. But usually what I'll do is I'll put my playlist on, put my AirPods in, and go to sleep, but only to my music, which is very weird, but that's how I roll.

Speaker 1 So full like coma. No.
Coma posed.

Speaker 3 Do you put the eyes? Do you put the eye covers on and the neck?

Speaker 2 No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 not only do I not do that I am anti-neck pillow my wife has five of them because she always loses them and then has to buy a new one in the airport so I think they're dumb and don't work and also are weirdly shaped so I hate them and I'm out on neck pillows I would like to let everybody know

Speaker 3 that the plane I was on

Speaker 3 had like hundred up hundred down wild really never

Speaker 3 never experienced anything like this before got a FaceTime from Tyrese Halliburton while I was flying up over Canada and I'm sitting there, and this FaceTime comes through, and I answer it: 4K.

Speaker 3 The greatest connection I've ever had. Shout out to Starlink.
I know there's everybody mad about things.

Speaker 3 I think if Starlink infiltrated people's lives a little bit more, they'd be like, hey, thanks for that happening. Wild.

Speaker 3 I was watching the games last night on my phone while I was flying in this place.

Speaker 2 I mean, no, no going.

Speaker 1 Now, this was a commercial flight, I assume

Speaker 1 Delta?

Speaker 2 Frontier? Hmm? No, no. JetBlue?

Speaker 1 They do have TVs on Jet Blue. I know that.

Speaker 2 That's true. They do.
Another game.

Speaker 1 Not one of those.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 No, it was Big Bird. Have to get back.
LeBron James. You know, he's going to be on the show this week.
Had to get back. You know, have to do that type of thing.
Obviously, we want to save the world.

Speaker 3 I thought we were all trying to do that. But nonetheless, the talks are table's here at Boston Connor at Tai Shamako to see you, boys.

Speaker 2 Well, see you.

Speaker 3 Hon, man. You just got absolutely brutalized in the shins, huh? Gambling this weekend.
Is this the worst weekend you've had of gambling in some time?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's probably the worst weekend ever. And And I saw some people say, oh, yeah, by far.

Speaker 2 I mean, when you're bet in every single underdog money line, there's a chance you're going to get kicked in the teeth.

Speaker 2 But typically, it is kind of a record like this where it's, you know, not 13 and 44, but, you know, you're losing about 30 times. But one of those wins is going to be a plus 800,

Speaker 2 a plus 650. I think the biggest one was Arkansas against St.
John's. And even that wasn't.

Speaker 2 massive like we saw last year with an Oakland or, you know, one of those FAU runs that Rhys Davis kind of just just mentioned there.

Speaker 2 But, you know, that's okay because some of these underdogs in the next round now are going to be fantastic teams. Like we already looked at those matchups.
I'm assuming Kentucky is going to be a dog.

Speaker 2 That'll be fun to bet on. O miss BYU.
I mean, the BYU team, I feel like, was one of the most entertaining teams. The BYU Wisconsin game, they were lighting it up from all over the court.

Speaker 2 Both teams really were.

Speaker 2 I'm still looking forward to the next couple rounds. I still have hope in the underdogs.
But yeah, as far as success goes, I saw limited to none all weekend. It was pretty brutal.

Speaker 3 It's all right. It was great sports for all of us.
At Darius J. Butler is here, obviously nine-year NFL vet.

Speaker 3 We'll have Daniel Jeremiah joining us in about 15 minutes to continue to dive in the draft and everything that he's here. And what happened with the hammer? Da dawn.
Cowboys, Silver Fox, A.P.

Speaker 3 Tone, also here talking about everything going on around the NFL. Let's do some NFL stories because we have Rapsheet here and obviously you have different takes than us.

Speaker 3 We chatted about the Jameis Winston deal to the New York Giants. You said that backup money.
It's easy to see the contract. We talked about Aaron Rodgers, obviously going over to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 We haven't discussed Ryan Tannehill potentially being the veteran backup for J.J. McCarthy or how are the Vikings kind of viewing this situation?

Speaker 3 Because what kind of seemingly got leaked over the weeks from free agency to Aaron Rodgers, a prima donna, diva, needs to make a decision to we're sick of this guy to wait a minute, maybe the Vikings are trying to figure out what they want to do with the quarterback and Aaron is kind of weighing all options.

Speaker 3 Where do we stand with the Minnesota Vikings? I think Tom Pellisero was the first one to report that this is J.J. McCarthy's job.
Is that where we are?

Speaker 3 And is Ryan Tannehill a guy that they're going to bring in to sit behind him? What do you think, Rap?

Speaker 1 Okay, we'll start with the J.J. McCarthy part.

Speaker 3 Hey, Schultz, by the way, don't fight him. Don't fight him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, careful.

Speaker 2 He almost spit in my coffee this morning. Rapshe was pissed.
Yeah, I saw Rap clench his fist when he saw you drinking that Starbucks earlier.

Speaker 1 I mean, this non-labeled coffee from the

Speaker 1 lovely Marriott that I stayed,

Speaker 1 they do a great job. Whatever this coffee is, is delicious.

Speaker 3 Professor's good is my Americano I got over here in Scotland from our friends at Starbucks.

Speaker 1 It is so hard to find good coffee in Europe.

Speaker 2 Anyway. What's your strategy? Are you going to take him down like by the knees when you fight him?

Speaker 1 I was a high school wrestler. People don't know this.

Speaker 1 I got to be 500 my senior year, so I was terrible, and then I was average by the end.

Speaker 1 So I could be scrappy, but just to be quick, see, I have a problem with this.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, wait. Oh, there you go.
You fixed it. All right, great.
I was going to say, I have a problem with the graphic, but you got the stories broke unlimited is really,

Speaker 1 that's a good one. The weight's probably a little low.

Speaker 1 No, there's going to be no, there's going to be no public fight. I don't really fight.

Speaker 1 I'm more of like a, hey, can you?

Speaker 2 Because that's not real. People will believe, you might not know this.

Speaker 1 People will believe anything anything they see on the internet. Oh, really?

Speaker 2 I knew it was bullshit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, really.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 See, you're talking about Debut's always happening.

Speaker 2 D-Butt knew it was. Yeah, they did sound like you.
He tried this in that.

Speaker 3 D-Buck wasn't there.

Speaker 3 What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 I know. No, but I knew that's not rap sheet football.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 You guys definitely.

Speaker 3 I think D-Butt potentially just...

Speaker 3 I think D-Butt may be lying. There for a little bit.
We all thought maybe you did call security. And then,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 once you told us that you didn't, you had to tell your boss about it because it was obviously in a public place, a lot of people. then your boss obviously reports it.
That makes a lot more sense.

Speaker 3 But I am appreciative of you being like, hey, we need to get the word out there that I did not call mama and data.

Speaker 3 And the reason why that'll happen is not because of me. And we try to do that for you.
Appreciate that. Unlimited stories broke.
Unlimited amount of cash available for Schultz.

Speaker 3 Nonetheless, Vikings, they're in on Tannehill potentially to be the backup quarterback. Or how do you see this going?

Speaker 1 I would say Palisero is right. It is J.J.
McCarthy's team going forward. He's going to be the guy in OTAs.
He's going to get the reps.

Speaker 1 And it did sound like like in training camp last year, they thought he was excellent. Now, obviously, the knee injury kind of pulls him back a little bit, but the,

Speaker 1 you know, he did the full meniscus repair. Generally, that means full recovery and no issues going forward.
He's got a lot of time health-wise. I think he's going to be good.

Speaker 1 The Tannehill conversations, which I didn't get the sense were much convert, like, it's not like conversations being like, all right, we'll offer you 20 million. And he's like, I want 25.

Speaker 1 Like, that's not the conversation. If there was any conversation, it was more like, all right, like, might you theoretically be available if we need you?

Speaker 1 Because Ryan Tano sat out all last year, right?

Speaker 1 I think would probably come back for the opportunity to start for an awesome team and maybe make like some decent bridge quarterback money, maybe 10 or 15, something like that.

Speaker 1 But I don't think it's like, I don't get the sense anything's imminent. And I think they hope that they don't need him.
Because the hope is your future is now. Roll with J.J.

Speaker 1 McCarthy, who's really talented, and just move forward from there.

Speaker 3 Okay, so they were going to be in on Daniel Jones until the Colts said, you know what, we're actually going to get Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 And then once Daniel Jones is off the market, because he was already in their building last year, they say, okay, we're going to roll full force with J.J. McCarthy.
Do you think that's how that went?

Speaker 3 Or do you think there was real conversation about what the hell happens in the quarterback room over there?

Speaker 1 Well, I would say they were in on Daniel Jones till that morning. Like they were, they were in.
They made an offer. It was...
I think similar or maybe it might have been a small bit more.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to remember. I can't remember the actual, the exact numbers.
Free agency was like a blur plus. Twitter went out.

Speaker 2 It was all a mess.

Speaker 1 No, a nightmare. It was a nightmare.
But they made, you know, they offered him real money, I think similar to what the Colts offered him. So they were, they were definitely in on it.

Speaker 1 But even if Daniel Jones had signed with the Vikings, I got the sense it was more, they were going to let them battle anyway, right? Because like.

Speaker 1 Let's say they signed Daniel Jones to a $15 million contract, and then J.J. McCarthy is clearly the better quarterback in camp.
Players know.

Speaker 2 All the players, you know, players in the locker group know who the starter is.

Speaker 1 So if it was JJ, then he was going to start. So like, that's what I think it would have been anyway.

Speaker 1 And that's why I think Daniel Jones did a great job, Pat, of being like, the Colts is a better spot because I could start there and then just roll forward.

Speaker 3 On that note, D-Bun had a little bit of a take about like, you know, Daniel Jones all of a sudden became the bell of the ball, right? Wasn't that kind of the combo there, D-Bud?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, once he, you know, wasn't starting and seeing him a lot on prime time, wasn't you know necessarily stinking it up or blowing people away.

Speaker 2 Once you kind of go away, kind of like our coaches coaches kind of go away for that year and then they become the bell of the ball i'm sure mike mccarthy will probably experience that this offseason just like sean payton other guys have so it's interesting now that some people are excited about him being in indianapolis potentially either push anthony richardson or to actually get in the starting job i'm i feel like hey he comes here he pushes him get a competition but you want to see this bring the best out of anthony richson and hopefully that's what it does for i'm sure a lot of coach fans probably feel the same way well and stike and

Speaker 3 Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. Well, like KOC gets a bunch of credit for being a QB whisperer, and he absolutely is.
But Steichen has had success with other quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 Like it happened with Gardner Minshew, where Gardner Minshew came in Pro Bowl, and then he gets a deal with, you know, Las Vegas. Granted, Vegas went how it went.

Speaker 2 But it's not as if coming to, you know, Indianapolis is a huge step down as far as play caller goes because we all know Steichen is one of those top guys at, maybe not culture, but at being a play caller on offense.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, the culture is going to get turned around.

Speaker 2 Okay, I've heard they're working hard. Okay.
Are they?

Speaker 1 You talking about Colts?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Colts just had to mature a little bit. They became professionals.
They're all working hard. This offset.
Yeah, right, D-Bot. We're optimistic.

Speaker 2 Very optimistic. What is this? March 24th.
Very, very optimistic. Things change around.
I do love the people that Chris Ballard has brought in the building and paid big money. Cam Bidem, I love him.

Speaker 2 Heard great things about him off the field.

Speaker 2 Woolworth, same thing with him. And then it's been rumors.
I don't know how true this is. Trey Henderson, are we getting him or what? Oh, are we reuniting him and Lou or what?

Speaker 3 Quick question. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure. There's interest.

Speaker 1 It seems to me, so here's sort of the Bengals stance. I mean, obviously we saw they paid the two stud receivers, right? They paid Jamar and Higgins.
Got nice contract. Jamar, I mean,

Speaker 1 great contract. Higgins, really nice, really nice deal as well.
The Bengals do not like

Speaker 1 Letting good players leave the building, even if it's for like a huge draft pick. They don't like it.
They like to develop, draft, develop, sign their own guys.

Speaker 1 And I think they get annoyed that people think that they don't sign their guys. So Hendrickson is awesome.
He deserves a lot of money. I think his next contract is going to be above 30.

Speaker 1 Is it going to beat

Speaker 1 Max Crosby? I don't know, but it's going to be above 30.

Speaker 1 And I think the Bengals are working. Not I think.
I know the Bengals are working on it. And I know they would like to keep him in the building.
They would like to pay him.

Speaker 1 And I think they would like people to stop saying, why don't the Bengals pay their guys? Because they do. And And I think getting Hendrickson done

Speaker 1 at a money and a value that makes sense for both sides will be a great way for the Bengals to be like, see?

Speaker 1 Like, see?

Speaker 2 Yeah. You know? Yeah,

Speaker 3 the interesting thing about that is, and the Bengals social media dunked on me and many others. Oh, yeah.
None of us, yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 thoroughly enjoy that type of shit. Now, there's a lot of people that were in that video.
We're like, okay, we'll see how this works out. You know, they have to like defend their entire stance.

Speaker 3 For me, I love like, hey, if you want to, if you would like to Vince Carter, you know, take off and dunk on me for something I say, I am 100% cool with that. I like that.
I think that's good social.

Speaker 3 I think that's good digital. But I don't think any of us thought they were going to be able to get T and Jamar done.
They do. over $100 million from both of them.

Speaker 3 Now, the way the contract is being set up for T.

Speaker 3 Higgins, I think there's a lot more question marks on how the deal is as a whole versus what was originally reported by journalists like you and many others.

Speaker 3 But if they were able to get T, Jamar, and Trey Hendrickson all signed in one offseason, that would be very much opposite of what the Bengals are, but also a great way to prove that you'll spend money on your people.

Speaker 3 And then what do they do with the rest of the roster? It'll be, it'll be fascinating.

Speaker 2 They'll make a better draft.

Speaker 1 I mean, they, look, you spend a lot of money on these guys, Pat. It's awesome.
It's what everybody wants. You have to draft well when you're paying top dollar.
Have to.

Speaker 3 Eagles, Eagles were able to do this. Eagles were able to pay a lot of people.

Speaker 3 Now, granted, not as much, but at the time with where the salary cap was, was, when they paid the people, Eagles and Hallie and everybody over there were able to do it because they drafted very, very well.

Speaker 3 It's like Bengals now got to do it. And I love that they're at that era of this team.
They have an indoor practice facility. They sold sponsorship to our stadium.
They have a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 3 They're paying players. Let's go, Bangles.
Let's go, Bangles.

Speaker 2 Let's go.

Speaker 3 I love everything about it. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Rapid, speaking of the draft, we've gotten a lot of people's takes on this, but I don't know if we've necessarily gotten yours yet.

Speaker 6 The closer we get to the draft, it seems like Cam Ward is kind of like the surefire number one pick now with the Titans.

Speaker 6 At this point, are we thinking that him and Shadur Sanders are both going to go in the top three, top five? And where does that leave a guy like Jackson Dart?

Speaker 6 Like, are we going to potentially see three quarterbacks maybe go in like the top 15 or so? Because that's starting to pick up heat.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I'll start with the last thing first.

Speaker 1 I think the way it's looking to me now, I would say my guess, and we'll get Daniel Jeremiah's take in a second, but my guess is we get three in the top five, top 15, three in the top 15.

Speaker 2 Because quarterbacks are.

Speaker 3 Very different statements, sir.

Speaker 1 No, no, sorry. Three in the top 15 is my guess.
The biggest,

Speaker 1 where Shador Sanders goes is the biggest draft question mark that I could remember in a very, very long time.

Speaker 1 And I know that Coach Prime, who we love, my former colleague, great dude, done an incredible job at Colorado, has talked about the haters.

Speaker 1 I don't know that it's haters, but people have a lot of questions because he is for sure talented. He has put two programs on his actual back and led them back to national prominence.
Like,

Speaker 1 what he did at Colorado is awesome. When he did it at Jackson State, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 he is a rock star, but he's, you know, it's not a slam-dunk number one overall selection like I think a lot of people think Cam Ward is. So, like, could Shador Sanders go two to Cleveland? Possible.

Speaker 1 Three to the Giants? Possible. Could I see him going past the top 10 and be the biggest question mark of the draft with every single team

Speaker 1 on the clock being like, are they going to take Shador? I could see that too. Like, it is absolutely fascinating.
And a month out now, I have absolutely no idea.

Speaker 3 I don't know. Yeah, I think, you know, you talk about Shador transforming

Speaker 3 two schools and two universities. That's very real.
It has to be talked about. It's not just him, obviously.
There's a lot that goes with it, but like what him and Travis Hunter were able to do.

Speaker 3 Travis Hunter, certified top five pick, right?

Speaker 2 he's gonna be the first non-quarterback off the board or is abdul carter uh i would say it's a toss-up abdul carter maybe has a little bit of a better chance now just because because the browns because if the browns don't draft shador they have abdul carter and miles garrett i i position that position like pass rusher yeah once you get elite a guys they're calling him a blue chip elite type of guy usually those guys go first but we haven't you know necessarily seen anything like travis hunter i don't anticipate him playing full-time on both sides of the football but we haven't seen anything like Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter.

Speaker 2 If you have, if you can get an elite pass rusher at the top of the draft, usually those guys are next valuable after the quarterback.

Speaker 3 It's a great graphic right here, by the way. I did not see this one before we go live.
Really? Is this Bone? Is this a Bone production?

Speaker 4 Dirty.

Speaker 3 Dirty, great work, Darty. That's a great, that's a great, that is a, that is a great graphic.
It looks, Abdul Carter looks super cool.

Speaker 2 You know, he looks super cool

Speaker 3 in the front of that thing.

Speaker 1 The Zeke Elliott jersey pull-up is really what sells it right there.

Speaker 3 And he's a dog, too. You know, we learned about the shoulder and then the foot and everything that's kind of been happening.
He just shows up and wants to play ball.

Speaker 3 So you would understand why the Browns might want to team him up. But like, the Browns need a young quarterback, don't they? And it's like,

Speaker 2 they do.

Speaker 1 But like, so the Browns are in conversations with Russell Wilson. right? And they obviously he visited them.
And so it seems now he's got mostly like Browns and Giants.

Speaker 1 And obviously everyone's waiting for Aaron Rodgers. So that's sort of up in the air.

Speaker 1 But it's interesting because if they sign Russell Wilson, first of all, I don't get the sense it's going to be a huge contract if he signs there.

Speaker 1 Second of all, everyone's going to say, well, obviously the Browns aren't taking a quarterback. And I would say, I'm not so sure about that because I could actually see them doing all of them.

Speaker 1 Just all of them. Like if Russell Wilson signs at Cleveland, it's not going to be for a lot of money.
Doesn't take them out of anything. You're going to take the best available.

Speaker 3 player at two no matter what if that's a quarterback or otherwise joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who's a mock drafter a man who actually had a top five, top three trade predicted a couple years back that made us believe that this guy might know everything about everything when it comes to the draft.

Speaker 3 He and Rich Eisen host the combine move the sticks, ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Diermani.

Speaker 2 What's up, buddy?

Speaker 9 What's going on, boys? Ian, I was watching Ian's face when you said that about the trade. I just wanted to see his reaction to that because,

Speaker 9 look, there was a lot of information got pulled in to make that prediction. But, you know, and I rightfully so.

Speaker 9 I should give Pellicero some credit.

Speaker 2 So, my bad. My bad.
Okay. This is the biggest nonsense.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. Hold on.
I didn't know this was. Okay, quick story time.

Speaker 2 What is this?

Speaker 1 Quick story time. So, me and Pellicero are driving.

Speaker 1 Tom is our VP of Restaurant Reservation, so we always will go to dinner at good places when we're together for draft week, which we will be this year.

Speaker 3 Classic Arrow.

Speaker 2 Treading.

Speaker 1 So we're talking.

Speaker 1 DJ comes on speakerphone. He's talking through a mock draft with us.
And it comes up in conversation. Now, I think I said it.
Oh. Pellicero claims he said it.
DJ believes that he said it.

Speaker 1 Anything could have happened that maybe the Texans want both, meaning Will Anderson and

Speaker 1 Stroud. And so maybe they trade up.
Now,

Speaker 1 he mocks it, puts himself way out on the limb. And so even though I broke the trade of the Texas trading up to three, he's the one that gets the flowers

Speaker 1 on set.

Speaker 2 And so obviously I'm not jealous. I'm happy.

Speaker 2 No, I'm happy.

Speaker 2 This is me being happy for him. Anyway,

Speaker 2 well, the funny thing is,

Speaker 9 Pat, as you know, unfortunately, there's this thing called the record of the Pat McAfee show, where I went on and gave the full explanation of why I was doing that and talked about how I wanted to get at least one of the picks right.

Speaker 9 I feel like they're taking one of these two players.

Speaker 3 So if I make the trade, at least I get credit for having one of the two be correct and that's actually on record on the pat mcafee show if you're sure to go back and look at it that's all right yeah do some research rap go back and look it up nonetheless uh however it came to be in our eyes you predicted it accurately now did you use your source

Speaker 3 to get to that that's good mock drafting so let's talk about what your sources are saying now number two overall obviously we were just chatting about it we think that is like a linchpin potentially for the rest of the draft does another quarterback go there or does that cause chaos for people to trade up to get another quarterback, maybe Jackson Dart, if they think they're going to be in there?

Speaker 3 From what you're leaning at right now, and obviously, 3.0 went out last week. We're waiting on 4.0.

Speaker 3 Um, you have Abdul Carter going, him and Miles Garrett being teamed up would be absolutely absurd in Cleveland. Uh, how sure are you of that, or are you just trying to sit in Andrew Berry's shoes?

Speaker 3 And what do you think is going to be the next shake, maybe, from the information that you've received in your mock draft?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I wouldn't say sure. I mean, the thing that feels sure right now in this thing is that Cam Ward feels very, very likely to go number one.
And then I think all bets are off.

Speaker 9 I would say this about the Browns. They're going to take a quarterback.
I feel confident about this. They're going to take a quarterback with one of their first two picks.

Speaker 9 So is that a situation where they take Shadur Sanders right there at two?

Speaker 9 If they were to take Abdul Carter at two, I think 100% I would keep an eye on the Browns as a team that could be trading back into one to maybe get into the Jackson Dart sweep stakes. So

Speaker 9 that's where I kind of see everything with them. And then that leaves the Giants.

Speaker 9 If Shadur gets to the Giants and if the Giants decide that they're not going to take Shadur, then what Ian was talking about, I think that really comes into play is like, okay, now it becomes a little bit trickier trying to find where that landing spot is.

Speaker 9 So I think Shadur will know after the first three picks what kind of night it's going to be because if he doesn't go in the first three, I don't think the Jets will do it.

Speaker 9 And the Jets, you know, bringing in Justin Fields is still young. I think they want to see what they have there.

Speaker 9 You know, I thought the Saints, you could make a case there, but the way they're kind of trying to piece everything together and bring everybody back, you know, with the Derek Carr situation, I don't know that I feel great about that being a landing spot.

Speaker 9 So for Shadur, all eyes are on the first three picks. And if somehow he doesn't go to one of those three teams, then it becomes pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 Before the boys have some questions, DJ, are you going to be at the draft in Green Bay?

Speaker 9 Yes, I will be there. I will be there in Green Bay for that entire week.
So we'll pop on with you during the week.

Speaker 3 Or Apschi, will you be there?

Speaker 1 Oh, I will be there. I'm excited.

Speaker 9 They haven't told Ian yet.

Speaker 9 They haven't told Ian yet, Pat. So let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 2 I got my reservation. Pat, are you...

Speaker 1 We're not going to see you there, Pat?

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, you know, the more and more I think about it, you know,

Speaker 3 maybe we shake their hands. Maybe we do go shake their hands.
You know, I'm trying to mature. I'm in Scotland now.
You know,

Speaker 3 I'm well-voyaged. Maybe we try because it's going to be an electric factory over there.
That place is amazing. I can't wait to see.

Speaker 3 And also who our guest host potentially would be, would be a good thing to be over there. And it's awesome what the NFL has done with the draft.

Speaker 3 So maybe we, you know, maybe we go shake their hands and make it happen.

Speaker 3 It hasn't happened. This is me potentially thinking about it, you know, and obviously the way this will get aggregated in the conversations

Speaker 3 and the half-truths that will get pushed out there. Welcome to my world, Pat.

Speaker 1 Welcome to my world.

Speaker 3 Somebody has to say, like,

Speaker 3 you guys are acting ridiculous. And I feel like I've done that.
Now, with that being said, don't need to be that guy all the time, but it seems like I am.

Speaker 3 And I'm almost done with it, especially after eating at Cafe Sono this morning with Fahey and his mom.

Speaker 3 I realized that there's a lot more important things about life than always having to take a stand. So maybe it's maturity.
Maybe it's my daughter. You know, maybe it's the wife.

Speaker 3 Maybe it's Cafe Sono this morning. Nonetheless, hoping to get out there.
That place is a beautiful city. AP Tone has a question for you, DJ.

Speaker 2 Yeah, DJ, I'm fascinated by the conversation you guys were just having. So if Say Seder doesn't go at three,

Speaker 2 could he go at 21 to the Steelers? And I know you had Jackson Dart mocked to 21 at the Steelers.

Speaker 2 Do you have him mocked there because you actually think he's a first-round quarterback, or you think that he could potentially go in the first round?

Speaker 2 Because a lot of Steelers fans are saying no way to Jackson Dart at 21 strictly because they just have PTSD from Kenny Pickett going at 20.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I understand that. I get that from the Steelers fans standpoint.
My thing was pretty simple on that.

Speaker 9 I have him right on that borderline of being a first-round graded player, and in a draft where there's a lot of parody and the high side is not as good as some of the other drafts we've seen, I think it's easier to justify that.

Speaker 9 And then, more importantly,

Speaker 9 I think Jackson Dart, based off where they are now, we'll see what Aaron does. But as of right now, I think Jackson Dart would have a good chance of winning that job.

Speaker 9 So, to me, he's a better option than what you have the squad right now. So that's why that one made some sense to me.
But I'm curious, you know, when Ian said he thought three in the top 15,

Speaker 9 I'm just, I'd love to get Ian's take on that one because to me, if Jackson Dart were going in the top 15, is that New Orleans? Or are you talking about maybe a team coming in,

Speaker 9 you know, from back half of the first round coming up?

Speaker 2 Yeah. So

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 1 No, so first of all, here's what I learned last year. Okay.
I mean, look, so we can go through it right now and see who the quarterback teams are going to be, right?

Speaker 1 I would say the Raiders at six are a team if they slide back.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's going to be at six, but I think if they slide back, they could be a team. The Saints, potentially, if they slide back as well, and I think they would like picks.

Speaker 1 I would say Colts, probably not. Falcons, no.

Speaker 1 Seahawks, could they actually trade up? I mean, obviously they have Donald, but it's a great contract for him, but they can get out of it after one year.

Speaker 1 I would say that would be another one. The Steelers, potentially as well.
And And then you have some teams sort of in the back. I mean, how long is Matthew Stafford going to play for the Rams?

Speaker 1 Could they come up? They could F them picks and they come up as well. So everybody gets overdrafted.
At this time last year, I knew for a fact that Bo Nix was going to be a second round quarterback.

Speaker 1 I would have, I told everybody, we knew it for a fact. And he went 12 and then showed that he probably should have gone earlier.
Like everyone gets overdrafted and no one knows anything.

Speaker 1 So that's sort of my argument.

Speaker 3 Panix as well. Panix as well.

Speaker 1 I would have said second rounder, and I could have told you all the reasons. And then he gets in there.
First of all, he gets picked in the top 10.

Speaker 1 Second of all, he gets in there and has an absolute cannon and looks great.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 3 Kirk Cousins and is Kirk Cousins going to back up down there, Rap?

Speaker 1 I think he is

Speaker 1 until somebody trades for him.

Speaker 2 Until he is out where you had to go with his money. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 Great news.

Speaker 2 Aggregate that.

Speaker 2 No, that was really good.

Speaker 1 Here's what I could see is, and look, I mean, DJ, you know how,

Speaker 1 I will ask you this in a sec, but there's not a ton of surefire, absolute day one starting quarterbacks in this draft.

Speaker 1 So if someone doesn't get one who maybe thought they were going to get one, all of a sudden, Cousins becomes a very interesting

Speaker 1 trade possibility down the line. DJ, I want to ask you, though, today is Cam Ward's, he's going to throw.
It's Miami's pro day. It's a little later today.

Speaker 1 You talked about him as sort of the overwhelming favorite to be the first overall pick what do you need to see today from cam ward

Speaker 9 yeah i mean first of all i'm in i'm uh at the network right now that's why you see that fancy uh oh you're in the green room

Speaker 2 whoa

Speaker 3 hey tell

Speaker 3 tell some of those middle hey tell some of those mid-level execs that there's a chance i'm going to extend the olive branch there's a chance okay I will go up tell them great work

Speaker 9 great work setting all that up and everything tell them we appreciate them tell them they're great at what they do tell them they do I'm gonna tell them I'm gonna tell them you're gonna to need some of those rice cakes to make their way to Green Bay and then try and seal this deal and get Pat back in the mix.

Speaker 9 Rice cakes.

Speaker 3 I'm currently on keto. No rice cakes.
Thank you. I'll take some

Speaker 2 meat. Okay.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we'll get you like a beef stick. We'll be good.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 to me, at the pro day today, we're trying to get away from the...

Speaker 3 Grab the meat sticks. Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 9 So for the pro day today with Cam Ward, I mean, really, it's one of those pro days where it's like a proof of life pro day. Just Just show up, show that you're healthy, hold up a current newspaper.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 I don't really need to see anything. Like, the arm strength is excellent.
He can make every type of throw. You see every type of throw on video.

Speaker 9 The things that got him in trouble were being a little too over-aggressive and trying to force some things, you know, cross-body throws, kind of some recklessness at times. Like,

Speaker 9 that was the knock. Well, the pro day is not going to, you're not going to see anything from that standpoint.
There's no defense.

Speaker 3 So uh to me this is this is set up for him to shine um but i don't know that he necessarily has a lot at stake either because you can see all the good stuff in his tape yeah he uh i think your conversation about him being able to threaten that ball right there is absolutely absurd his leadership is there i'm excited that we have a clear favorite a quarterback i'm excited to watch him kind of take the you stinky into the nfl especially in a city like nashville that needs something bad go ahead debut yeah dj uh we've been talking about kind of i know Ian just mentioned a couple of times moving in the draft, and this is the first year, however many years, that all the teams have come in with their own first-round pick.

Speaker 2 So it's kind of a two-part question. How much movement do you expect on draft day? And who are the deepest, what are the deepest position groups in this draft in your position?

Speaker 2 Obviously, we don't think it's quarterback this year, but who are those position groups that are deep?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I would say, first of all, the first part of the question, like the movement thing is going to be hard because normally the movement positions are quarterbacks and pass rushers. Well,

Speaker 9 we don't have a ton of quarterbacks, so if we do see movement, I think it would be at the top of the draft.

Speaker 9 And then, from pass rusher-wise, leads to the second part of the question. It's the defensive line is the deepest position in the draft.

Speaker 9 There's a million of these guys, and it's edge rushers as well as D-tackles.

Speaker 9 It's just a stacked, loaded group where we're going to see, you know, the first round is going to be heavily dominated by defensive linemen, and that's going to carry on into the second round as well.

Speaker 9 So, you know, that's you know, that's kind of where we are with that. I just don't know we're going to see a ton of movement because of that.
So,

Speaker 9 you know, everybody coming in with their picks,

Speaker 9 it could be kind of a stick and pick draft for the most part.

Speaker 9 That's at least where we are right now at this point in time in the process. Unless, you know, maybe you're a team that

Speaker 9 has an offensive tackle need and you feel like that's a little bit of a shallow pool. Maybe you'd move up a few spots.
But I don't know. I'm not anticipating a ton of movement at this point in time.

Speaker 3 Go ahead, Ty.

Speaker 6 Yeah, DJ, at the start of the draft process, Tet McMillan was, you know, like a top-five pick.

Speaker 6 And then as we get closer to the draft here, it seems like the receivers, just in general, their stock has gone way down, maybe outside of Golden running how he did at the combine.

Speaker 6 Is there a chance that we only get maybe one or two receivers in the first round?

Speaker 6 Or do you think when like McMillan goes, whenever that is, I think you have him mocked at like 22, that the dam will kind of break and we'll get a run of kind of all these guys who are potentially fringe first-round receivers?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I think we're going to get more than two.

Speaker 9 Matthew Golden's going to go in the first round. I think when it's all said and done, Abuka will end up going in the first round.
McMillan's going to go in the first round.

Speaker 9 Grades are a little bit all over the map on him. I never had him up there throughout the process as a top five guy.
He was kind of in that,

Speaker 9 I think maybe 13 to 15 range for me for most of the process.

Speaker 9 So that's kind of where I've had him, and you talk to teams in the league. Some are lower than that, some are a little bit higher than that.

Speaker 9 I have not talked to anybody that had him as a top 10 guy, you know, throughout the process.

Speaker 9 So, sometimes that can kind of get out there on the media side of things, but it doesn't necessarily always carry over to the team side of things.

Speaker 9 But I think those three guys go, and I think we'll get another one in there. It wouldn't be surprised if Luther Burden ended up getting in the first round out of Missouri.

Speaker 9 Iowa State's got two really, really talented receivers that there's some buzz and some heat on them. So, we'll see what happens there.

Speaker 9 But there's enough options and enough candidates that I think, you know, we're going to get three, four,

Speaker 9 somewhere in that range.

Speaker 3 Do the teams that need to rebuild through the draft, like we just talked about, the Bengals, they're going to have to have a great draft, obviously, in a lot of different positions.

Speaker 3 Because, you know, at one point, maybe F these picks and rap, what did you mean by that when you said that earlier? F. What did you mean by that? You said that F these picks.

Speaker 1 A lot of times F is sort of used in place of a word that I can't say on TV. I mean, I could say it.

Speaker 2 Whoa, whoa, you better be specific. It means,

Speaker 3 hey, Madden,

Speaker 2 Connor,

Speaker 3 what F-word are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Screw these picks would be another way to say it.

Speaker 1 Kids might be watching. My kids might be watching.
They're not. They're in school, but they could theoretically be watching.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I understand. But I just, whenever you say F-word, like you make my head say it.
So just know that you're saying it, okay?

Speaker 2 Without saying it.

Speaker 1 You're like my Google Translate.

Speaker 2 Like I say it and you're in your head goes, hold on.

Speaker 1 He means, I got it.

Speaker 2 I got it. Exactly.

Speaker 3 But these teams that need to transform, allegedly, there's just a lot of depth in this particular draft. There's going to be people looking for more picks that need that.

Speaker 3 Is that what you're thinking, DJ, in this entirety?

Speaker 9 I think in talking to teams that I've talked to, there's an interesting conversation about in trades trying to get picks in next year's draft and even, you know, going out into the future.

Speaker 3 F these picks. F this draft class is what they're saying.

Speaker 9 Well, I mean, yeah, there's there's some thought to that of this like, hey, let's try and get resources.

Speaker 9 There's some teams that are already loaded up with comp picks next year because of what they lost in free agency.

Speaker 9 And now if you trade down a little bit, you could be, you could be in a pretty good situation with next year's draft.

Speaker 9 So, if we do see movement, I'll go back to the question that Debut asked because if we do see movement, I don't think you're going to have to pay sticker prices on movement, Ian.

Speaker 9 I would, I would, that's the way I would phrase that. If you are going to see movement, I don't know that the prices are going to be super high to move around.

Speaker 1 So, it's interesting. First of all, I would agree because it doesn't seem like there's that high, high-end guy who's kind of floating out.
And we will see.

Speaker 1 But you mentioned the teams looking to get future picks.

Speaker 1 The Philadelphia Eagles have done as good a job as maybe anyone in a very long time of exploiting teams desperate for picks this year to move up, and they collect future picks like nobody else.

Speaker 1 So, that to them, organizationally, from Jeffrey Lurt all the way down, has been like, this is how we get value. We acquire picks next year because people, you go, ah, that's second rounder.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to worry about him next year. Eagles have exploited that.
They have collected those and used it to absolutely load up. And so, like, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to see the teams that like Eagles, Ravens, like teams that are perennially good collect picks for future to be like, we'll take them because you need this guy and we don't.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Bradley Cooper knows what he's doing over there in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 He and I got to get selfie at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 Somehow they just, after he gave the motivational speech to go win the Super Bowl,

Speaker 3 it's unbelievable what they've been able to do with that roster transformation with how much money they've paid everybody. And then they still pay Saquon top of the class three years in advance.

Speaker 3 It's like if Philadelphia is able to continue to win, that'll be absolutely bananas. Connor has the last question for you here.
DJ, we appreciate you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, DJ, obviously the Patriots don't need a quarterback because Drake May is a future Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 But in this scenario where Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter go, you know, one or two and three back to back, and then, you know, Shador being that other pick, obviously the Patriots aren't going there.

Speaker 2 Elliott Wolfe actually came out and mentioned, hey, we're in a spot now because of free agency where we don't have to take biggest need.

Speaker 2 We can take, take, you know, best available with, you know, Hunter and Abdul gone. Is the next best available like Ashton Genty? Like, is there a world where that's who New England goes with?

Speaker 2 Because, you know, you have Will Campbell going 10 and he wouldn't be considered next best available.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 I would say it.

Speaker 9 If you don't get Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter, I would add a little line to the end of best available. I would say best available player that can help your quarterback.

Speaker 9 So I would be looking on the offensive side of the ball and Ashton Genty, I have him as I think the number three player in the draft. So if you're just going pure best available player, it'd be Genty.

Speaker 9 And if you're obviously looking on the offensive side of the ball, he's the, you know, he would be the guy there from the offensive side of the ball standpoint. So I just feel like that's got to help.

Speaker 9 Unless you can get Abdul Carter, like somehow Abdul Carter gets there, I get it. But man, like if you draft Travis Hunter, he'd play him at receiver.
He helps Drake May.

Speaker 9 This first pick after a defensive heavy free agency, it just feels like, man, this has got to be a pick that's going to help Drake May.

Speaker 1 You think, I'm sorry to interrupt. You think that Travis Hunter at Ford of the Patriots, playing receiver, makes sense value-wise? That's pretty interesting.

Speaker 9 I would. I think he's dynamic.

Speaker 9 I think he'd be their most dynamic weapon on offense, and I think they would have a lot of fun watching those two guys, quarterback and receiver, kind of grow up together.

Speaker 9 Yeah,

Speaker 9 I would be excited about that if I were a Patriot fan and somehow Travis Hunter would be there.

Speaker 9 And I would be interested when they say Travis Hunter, you know, the Patriots select from Colorado, Travis Hunter.

Speaker 9 I would be listening, though, to say, is it wide receiver?

Speaker 2 Football, is it corner?

Speaker 9 Is it combo? Like, how are you going to write that on the card? Because the team does get to decide how that's going to be announced.

Speaker 9 I would be curious. To me, that would be wide receiver/slash corner, not the other way around if you're the Patriots.

Speaker 2 Dog,

Speaker 2 he had the dog on his chest.

Speaker 3 You're right. Could be dog, could be A-T-H,

Speaker 3 could be W-R/slash CB.

Speaker 2 I mean, hey, people. Hey, Pat.

Speaker 3 Go ahead.

Speaker 2 Pat, real quick.

Speaker 9 You guys brought Ian into the studio. Do you have to pay for security for him or how does that work?

Speaker 3 Nah, he's so little, he just kind of like squeaks by.

Speaker 3 People are looking for him. They just can't

Speaker 3 find him. And that's a gift and a curse.
Stay out of the coffee shops.

Speaker 3 Bingo. 22A or B, he's able to fly in.
He can get comfortable.

Speaker 3 And at Starbucks, whenever the owner's kid walks in, he's he's able to kind of weasel on out of there, which is good at like Ashton Genty.

Speaker 9 He's like the Ash and Genty of Insiders, just kind of make you miss, bounce off, get out of there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Jordo Schultz is Joe Walt.

Speaker 3 That's what he looked like in that photo. That's what he looked like in that photo.
Hey, DJ, we appreciate the hell out of you, buddy.

Speaker 10 All right, see you, boys.

Speaker 2 Thanks, dude.

Speaker 3 How was the Big 12 Pro Day? How was the Big 12 Pro Day?

Speaker 9 Oh, it was fantastic. We had a great time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I thought you besmirched it a little bit at the end of our interview, but was uh, it was fun, we had a good time.

Speaker 3 I don't love that West Virginia doesn't have their own pro day.

Speaker 9 Okay, I don't, I know, I gathered that, I gathered that.

Speaker 3 I don't love that. Once again, we need to get back to having our own pro day, but I like that the Big 12 comes together and does their thing.

Speaker 3 Uh, just like we appreciate the help out of NFL Network's finest joining us, ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 2 Yay!

Speaker 1 You mean finest, except obviously

Speaker 3 Rich Eisen.

Speaker 1 Rich does a great job.

Speaker 2 Wait, is it still NFL Network?

Speaker 1 It is still

Speaker 3 tell us what you're hearing, brother, because this has been rumored for like two years now, hasn't it? This has kind of been a rumor.

Speaker 3 It's kind of like at one point, allegedly, there was a deal done where Disney ESPN was going to purchase NFL platforms, and then NFL Plus was added into play a little bit, might be able to get a little bit more on the digital side, maybe the

Speaker 3 direct-to-consumer line with NFL Plus. What are you hearing about NFL Media? Because this has literally been like two years of talks, and then another report hits the internet

Speaker 3 last week.

Speaker 1 What are you hearing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was, my attention was slightly divided last week, so I didn't get to fully listen to the podcast, which I'm definitely going to subscribe to it when I can figure out how to do it.

Speaker 1 Here's my problem:

Speaker 1 I am such a gossip that no one tells me anything because they think I'll just tell everyone,

Speaker 1 which is actually generally true.

Speaker 1 So I don't have great.

Speaker 1 I don't have great intel.

Speaker 2 What is that?

Speaker 1 I'm a huge follower of cordcuttersnews.com or whatever.

Speaker 1 If this is what our people think is best for everyone, I will fully support it. I have literally no idea if it's going to happen.
I'm sure it would be great if it did, but I'm kind of like you.

Speaker 1 If it happens, if it's real, then I think if that's what they want, I'm good with it. But I have no idea.

Speaker 3 There's just so many rumors about it, you know, because it would be a huge price. I mean, that would be a hefty number, especially to take over the NFL's media.

Speaker 3 And then if you were to to take over NFL Network, and I understand the way NFL Network operates more so now than maybe ever before in the past.

Speaker 3 And certainly interesting, but it is the best league or best network that a league has, the NFL Network. And I think you're a massive piece of that, Rap.

Speaker 3 You should be incredibly proud of the work that you've done over there.

Speaker 3 And Rich and Mooch and everybody, you know, the, and Kurt and, you know, I don't want to go through a list of people that I've appreciated their time on NFL Network, but the NFL Network is definitely the league's best network whenever it comes to all the leagues.

Speaker 3 But this has been rumored for years now. And

Speaker 3 allegedly, there was a deal done, and then it went back to a group of people on both sides, and then that was kind of thrown away. And then there's been, I mean, it's a lot.
It's all a lot, you know.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 as long as we're able to see the game that we love and the league that we love in more ways, I think we'll all be very appreciative for it.

Speaker 3 But are you guys operating as if you are for sale over there at NFL Network? Is that kind of day-to-day? Like anybody could be the new owners?

Speaker 1 I am operating as if I only focus on what I have to do. So I have no idea.

Speaker 1 It is not to like speak for, yeah, I mean, literally, like, do my job, but not to speak for everyone.

Speaker 1 But I will say, like, the only way to go to do this, and it's interesting because it's a little bit like a player

Speaker 1 whose sort of like name is in trade talks.

Speaker 1 It's like either you can become obsessed by it and it'll just eat you up, which doesn't feel like it's the case with the people I work with, or just kind of do the absolute best you can, roll with it, and if it happens, we'll all adjust.

Speaker 1 But like, I feel like psyche and mindset are pretty good.

Speaker 5 Like really good.

Speaker 3 Okay, good. Happy to hear that.
It's good. It's, you know, the NFL having a deal with ESPN more so than just Monday Night Football.

Speaker 3 And then obviously, well, what we do day to day and everybody does day-to-day coverage of the NFL would be cool. And obviously, the people at ESPN would want to continue to grow sport and grow league.

Speaker 3 So I'd be excited to see what would be next. A con man, college sports happening this weekend, not just college basketball.
There was some magic. There was some magic in some college sports, brother.

Speaker 3 I look down here and I see one glorious lad, one Canadian glorious man in Robert Roode. What happened in college ball this weekend?

Speaker 2 Yeah, the glorious Bobby Roode has a boy, Pat. And let me tell you about this boy.

Speaker 2 He scored a game winner, Nick Roode, for the Michigan Wolverines against the number one team in the country, the Maryland Terrapins.

Speaker 2 Third overtime, cuts down the slot, little goal, basically making Michigan season. I believe this put them back into the top 25 of men's college lacrosse.

Speaker 2 But if we're talking college lacrosse, especially on the men's side, I'd be remiss if I did not say that the Fairfield Stags, yes, those Fairfield Stags in Connecticut are the only remaining unbeaten team.

Speaker 2 They are 9-0. They are absolutely rolling right now.
A couple different sites have them ranked in between 12 and 15.

Speaker 2 Because I saw them at 12, I'm going to say, yes, they are the 12th team in the country right now. But men's college cross kind of taking over here, boys.

Speaker 2 Once March Madness ends, you know, we had Matt Madness, which also was Electrics, but once it ends,

Speaker 2 it is kind of college cross season. So look out for, you know, Fairfield men's legs.
But yeah, Nick Rude kind of stole the show this weekend beating the Maryland Terbs, Pat.

Speaker 3 Shout out to Nick Roode. I got to meet him a few weeks back at a Monday Night Raw, and obviously I'm a massive fan of his father.

Speaker 3 He wasn't necessarily thrilled about the entire Canada Pat McAfee situation that was brewing because he is obviously a proud Canadian. But I'm happy for Rood and the Michigan Wolverines.

Speaker 3 Notre Dame still got a good squad in the cross, I assume.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're still playing. They're still playing well.
Chris Kavanaugh is still one of the best players in the country. I would look for them to be around in the end as well.

Speaker 3 Okay, let's continue with college athletics. You mentioned it there, Matt Madness.

Speaker 3 And obviously, every single year that we've gotten a chance to watch the Matt Madness, we thought to ourselves, damn, they need to move this before March Madness, leading in to March Madness, because it is electrifying.

Speaker 3 The arena's roof gets blown off multiple times, showcasing the best of the best.

Speaker 3 A man who's no stranger to the national championship for the NCAA, former national champion, former Olympic gold medalist, former WWE superstar.

Speaker 3 Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, Gable Steve State.

Speaker 2 Yay, Gable.

Speaker 2 How you doing? Gabel, good.

Speaker 3 Hey, I'm great. Thank you so much for joining us.
And obviously, I've gotten a chance to get to know you over the years.

Speaker 3 And with what happened this weekend, I didn't know if you would be open to joining us or not open to joining us.

Speaker 3 Then I watched you next to Hendrickson whenever he was up on the podium and you like kind of gave him a pat on the back. Is there a sense of relief that the season's over?

Speaker 3 Is there a sense of disappointment? Because obviously the way it went, they're talking about it being the biggest upset in the history.

Speaker 3 And the reason why it's the biggest upset is because of how damn great you have been as a Minnesota Gopher and Wrestler. Where's your headspace?

Speaker 7 at and what are your thoughts on everything that kind of transpired this past weekend man um you know i'm not happy with the results that happened this past weekend, but, you know, it's a blessing to go out there in front of the crowd and from the biggest stage.

Speaker 7 And, you know,

Speaker 7 since leaving in 2022, I've always wanted to go out there and give one that's good push for the University of Minnesota. And so that's what I try to do.
I try to make things as big as possible.

Speaker 7 And I love the show. I love going out there and feeling the jitters, having your heart race and having a great opponent across for you.
And it's win or loss.

Speaker 7 The road doesn't end for me. And I keep going forward.

Speaker 3 Okay, so what is next for you, Gable? Obviously, I saw some haters.

Speaker 3 You know, anytime you're a superstar and you're dominant, like you have been in the modern world, there's going to be people that are haters. This guy couldn't even make an NFL team.

Speaker 3 This guy, he didn't even play football. He can't make an NFL team in his first try.
Okay.

Speaker 3 And then you have all this success and you still choose the hard road and you make it all the way back to the national championship, which is why I respect you. Your work ethic is awesome.

Speaker 3 You're an absolute dog. Nothing you've done has been easy.
What is next for you?

Speaker 3 Have you thought about that Or kind of where are you at right now whenever you look at tomorrow as opposed to what yesterday was?

Speaker 7 Oh, man. The sun always comes up the next day.
You know, that's a saying that everyone's always talked about. But what's next for me is

Speaker 7 I've been boxing. I've been putting on the gloves, doing jiu-jitsu classes, trying to get ready for an MMA career.

Speaker 7 Or right after I stepped off the mask Saturday night, just a couple of calls from a few new teams in the NFL. And

Speaker 7 just the roads keep opening. And I'm just so happy that I can go out there and put on my best performance, win or lose.
Like I said, I'm always a showman. I go out there and I turn the crowd up.

Speaker 7 I show love.

Speaker 7 And if a guy gets his hand raised across from me, it's respect as always. And so

Speaker 7 the doors are still opening. And I'm just so happy where I am today and where the future is going to take me.

Speaker 3 I like the way you operate, man.

Speaker 3 You've been kind to everybody that I've seen you interact with and the way you were gracious in that situation, especially with the way that the reaction was like, oh, my God, Gable Stevenson has been toppled.

Speaker 3 Like the way Daniel Cormy, I don't know if you watch it back and if you ever will, like, the reaction was stunned by everybody.

Speaker 3 And the way you handled it when you could have gone the other way, nothing short of fucking awesome, brother. You need to know that.
And can't wait to see what you do next.

Speaker 3 Rapsheet has a question for you, Gable.

Speaker 1 Gable, you mentioned

Speaker 1 your time in the NFL. You mentioned some teams called.
By the way, first of all, if you sign, please make sure I get the scoop.

Speaker 2 No, I got you.

Speaker 1 Just being real, hit me up. I'll send you my number.

Speaker 2 Anyway, you know what?

Speaker 1 you had some experience with the Bills. You have seen wrestlers really thrive, especially in the offensive line.
Stephen Neal with the Patriots. I know Zach Frazier with the Steelers is a dog.

Speaker 1 What is it about wrestling that translates so well to, I guess, all positions, but specifically the offensive lineman?

Speaker 7 Just the offensive line and defensive line, too. You go out there and it's a one-on-one battle with the guy in front of you.

Speaker 7 And just growing up wrestling, you look at a guy across from you and it's just like you go out there and you want to kill. And so that's just what it's about.
It's the trenches. It's going to be hard.

Speaker 7 It's going to be, it's going to be desperation to get to the quarterback or it's desperation to not let the D-line get to the quarterback. So

Speaker 7 whatever position I can get in at, I'll be grateful. I'll be thankful.
And when I was in Buffalo, I put my best shoes on. A lot of people don't know.

Speaker 7 That was my first time ever playing football and first time I put on cleave. Wow.

Speaker 3 Vaughn Miller and the guys had to put on.

Speaker 7 Von Miller had to help me put on my pads and strap them because I had no clue how to put them on the first day of camp. So I appreciate Von Miller for that.

Speaker 3 No, yeah, but you weren't able to make it. You weren't able to make it.
Yeah, the guy

Speaker 3 strap fucking pads.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Pat, we got this, me and my strength coach, Scott, we got this saying, man, a lot of people say a lot of things, but they just talk and talk.

Speaker 7 But we're out there walking and walking, doing the best we can in our life and everybody else's life too, just to make sure everybody can see a great show for me and see the next path that I take.

Speaker 3 And I love that. That's a great quote.
And obviously that's going to continue for the rest of your life. You've become a superstar at a very young age.
D-Bud has a question for you, Gable.

Speaker 2 Yeah, talking about what's next. You talked about MMA.
Do you already have a trainer? Do you already have a regimen in mind going into that next step?

Speaker 2 That's a completely different avenue. You've done it before, but

Speaker 2 what pieces have you already put in place?

Speaker 7 Just making sure I can get my hands certified and ready.

Speaker 7 Just making sure that I can see punches coming and make sure that I'm comfortable in the cage and comfortable with guys in front of me that are going to be throwing these huge haymakers and

Speaker 7 getting in and getting out the way. So, I mean, I got a great mentor right now.

Speaker 7 i hope a lot of people know a guy named john jones um just a fantastic dude and and and uh the greatest part of all time he's pretty he's pretty damn good you know um um

Speaker 7 he's pretty damn good so man i appreciate his efforts of trying to lead me into the right direction and kind of kind of taking my taking my back and kind of giving me the direction i need and you know i'm really young and he's been there and he's done that before so it's um i'm really appreciative of how he's kind of walked my my steps leading into this next chapter if if that's what it is.

Speaker 3 Okay, so amateur wrestling, obviously, they tried to kill it a few years back. I think whenever it wasn't an Olympic sport anymore, the entire wrestling community came out and said, that's not real.

Speaker 3 And then we watch Matt Madness every single year. It is electrifying.
We think the sport is obviously very healthy.

Speaker 3 But whenever it goes from amateur wrestling, the professional step next is either WWE, which you had obviously been around a few different times, or you get into mixed martial arts and UFC.

Speaker 3 Have you already talked to Dana? Have you already had those conversations?

Speaker 3 And how long have you been preparing potentially for a life in the cage after wrestling, knowing that that is one very viable professional outlet for good amateur wrestlers?

Speaker 7 I think that's the best outlet for amateur wrestlers overall. And I think I've not spoken to Dana personally.
That's one meeting that I would love to have face-to-face.

Speaker 7 You know, I've been waiting a long time to see him. I know after the 2021 Olympics, he reached out to me and wanted me to come see him in Vegas and everything else.

Speaker 7 And so that's one meeting that I would love to have and love to see. So

Speaker 7 if I can can get in front of his face and really pitch who I am and pitch who he can see and who I will be, I think that'll be the greatest thing.

Speaker 3 See tomorrow, perfect out on you, Gable. Maybe you get into TV.
You saw the countdown right there. We are still live

Speaker 3 on YouTube.

Speaker 3 Great work out of you. Good time.

Speaker 2 Hey, perfect time.

Speaker 3 TV matchup.

Speaker 2 We're still live on YouTube.

Speaker 7 I've been on the block a little times.

Speaker 2 I can see.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I've been a superstar. I've been a superstar a long time.
We're on ESPN Plus, YouTube, Disney Plus, and TikTok Live. Still talking to Gable Stefson, obviously.

Speaker 3 Would be pumped to watch you in the ring. The jiu-jitsu is the thing, right? And that kind of the thing?

Speaker 3 Like, because those motherfuckers can break both your arms at the same time in that kind of legs.

Speaker 7 They break your legs, your kneecaps, your elbows, your arms, and all that. So, hey, just try to jump out the way if you can.
But

Speaker 7 it's going to be tough, but yo, I've always, you know, me, you know me for a long time. I've always been out for the battle.

Speaker 7 What a, what a, um, if it was good or if it was bad, um, if people doubted, and you know, you know, they're always going to doubt. But I've been here before, and this is nothing new.

Speaker 3 That's awesome. Gabel, Connor has a question for for you, brother.
Yeah, Gable, as far as

Speaker 2 environments go, how was it yesterday? You know, obviously the president was there, but then you're still looking around. And, you know, there's a lot of history made.

Speaker 2 I believe one of the Penn State wrestlers became a five-time national champion as well. What was the environment like in that place all day yesterday?

Speaker 7 Crazy. Philly showed up for

Speaker 7 Matt Madness. Carter Stirachi, a five-time national champion.
Probably going to go down as the greatest NCAA wrestler of all time.

Speaker 7 I get to go out there in front of Trump, in front of of Elon Musk, and everybody else and go out there and showcase a great matchup. And that's what we want.
And that's what wrestling needs.

Speaker 7 Wrestling needs to grow. Wrestling needs that spotlight for guys like myself, Wyatt Hendrickson, Carter Stirachi, and so many other guys to go out there and put on good performances.

Speaker 7 And like I said before, win or lose, I've always been that showman, and I've always want to show the crowd who I am and leave that lasting legacy of who is Gable to the casual viewer that is watching on ESPN that has never heard of me before.

Speaker 7 I wasn't paying attention close enough whenever they were doing a commentary because the moment was so gigantic had you wrestled hendrickson before did you guys know each other very well and when i shoot when he's there you were hey when he shoots and gets your leg you know you're fucked there like when do you like legitimately take me into your mind a little bit nah i mean i've i've i'm a i'm a great counter score wrestler and so when he got to my legs um you can kind of get a sense that you might be fucked but you're not fucked fully so got it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so like so you you know you're in between of halfway of like gosh am i am i gonna get fucked or am i about to so i mean you get the sense of like okay it's about to happen um and so i get taken down with 20 seconds left i'm looking at the clock like um gosh i got to get up but you know in wrestling if if you've been around wrestling and you know starting in the parter position and getting taken but getting taken down and having to build up from the stomach is a lot harder because guys can hang on you don't have to start in the regular position so man i'm getting full weight on top of me i'm trying to build up and and it was just it just wasn't my time and i'm cool with that and there's nothing wrong with not having your time and not having your day because I feel that out of all the other times that I probably could have pulled it off, but that day just wasn't my day.

Speaker 2 And it happens. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Anytime you're going into a gladiator-like sport, you're exposing yourself, obviously, in front of millions, hundreds of thousands of people watching.

Speaker 3 And every once in a while, you're going to get caught. You've only lost three matches.
I mean.

Speaker 3 Your records are absurd. That's why when I was reading the shit on the internet of people like celebrating your loss, I'm like, let's not forget here.

Speaker 3 The reason why this is such a big thing is because of how damn dominant you have been. Tell me about Hendrickson, though, a little bit.

Speaker 3 Obviously, you have massive respect for him, and you have to have respect for every one of your opponents.

Speaker 3 But tell me about him as a wrestler, because if I go back to the Olympic gold medal, you wrestled a big dude, too, right? Dude, that was bigger than you. I think you have a kid to win.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Hendricks is a little bit bigger than you.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. Keep going.
You can.

Speaker 3 I was going to say, it felt like the same situation there. He was a little bigger.
It looked like he was a little bit bigger than you, maybe. Yeah, he was just a little bigger.

Speaker 7 But, you know, it's a gladiator sport. You want to go out there and fight.
You want to go out there and battle.

Speaker 7 and and that day was not my day to win a battle, and and there's nothing all always at the end of the day, I think people were going to get a reaction and were waiting for a reaction of me to act in a negative way towards the crowd and towards Hendrickson and and and bring out a different side of me.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 we go toe-to-toe. We put it on the line, and a lot of people are going to say a lot of things about, hey, he lost, but what I've done for wrestling, I think, is unimaginable.

Speaker 7 I've done, I've been out there and won Olympic golds in the last second.

Speaker 7 I've won two Dan Hodge trophies at heavyweight, which no one else has ever done, two national titles, three time in the finals, five time All-American.

Speaker 7 My resume stands for itself, and I could probably keep going on it, but a quick search can help that out. So, I mean,

Speaker 7 like we talked about, it wasn't the day, and it happens. It's a gladiator sport, and I'm a warrior.

Speaker 1 Well, Gabo, that's why I wanted to kind of follow up and ask, because I'm kind of, you know, your comeback, which has been one of the cooler stories in college wrestling that we've seen.

Speaker 1 You lost at the end, but you don't sound like you lost.

Speaker 1 I'm wondering at the end of all this, considering where you came from, what you've been through, the different things, coming back to the top and the brink, do you consider it a success?

Speaker 1 Or are you like, it would have been a success? Because like, how do you view this entire climb and the way it ended up?

Speaker 7 Man, that's a great question.

Speaker 7 I woke up today. You know, it's crazy.
Oh, yeah. It's crazy.
Like, like, I think we, I think. For a long time now, I've been like, damn, like, I get to wake up.
I get to, like, I have a home.

Speaker 7 I have a house.

Speaker 7 like I get to eat like good food I get to see the world I get to go places that nobody may ever see and and I think a lot of people were expecting just a really bad reaction for me and but but at the end of the day like I've done so many great things I've met so many great people I've been in so many great places and that I'll never take that for granted and that's why

Speaker 7 that was the main reason why I wanted to come back to University of Minnesota after leaving in 2022 was I wanted these kids to see that you can be something special.

Speaker 7 Whether you win or lose, you can change a sport. You can be a guy that people want to look at and take pictures with and hang out with after the duels and after the matches.
So

Speaker 7 it's not the end of the world for me. Like I said, the sun is shining right now.
I'm happy to see that. The skin is glowing.
I'm smiling. The teeth look good and I'm ready to be here.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they certainly do. And the resume is packed and we can't wait to see what you do next.
Thank you for taking the time and thank you for doing to wrestling what you did, man. You're the best.

Speaker 7 No, I appreciate you, Pat. Thank you.
Everyone else, I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Hey, we appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Gable Stevenson.

Speaker 2 So cool. Friend of the program, Gable.

Speaker 3 Friend of the program, Gable Stevenson.

Speaker 3 That was so fascinating to watch.

Speaker 3 And obviously, that's a reaction, you know, that you're going to get, especially when you have that much success and you're that notable and you're that known, especially in that heart of a sport.

Speaker 3 Like, that's my big takeaway. He goes, after his resume is already made, okay, already created.
He's already rich. He's got NIL deals.

Speaker 3 Everything's already been talked about.

Speaker 3 Then he he goes back chooses to go back and like day-to-day of wrestling is miserable like that is just it is miserable it is so hard it is so they were showing clips of him just running laps in the wrestling mats in minnesota it's like that guy's already a millionaire you know he's already successful he's running around with these college kids still just like going all the way back in because he still had eligibility i got massive respect for his work ethic and i believe hendrickson uh will be joining us at some point this week as well nice to talk about his win over words but uh over uh gable but matt madness is electrifying you you find yourself watching and there hasn't been as many because i think it's because the underdogs haven't uh really continued to go there hasn't been as many just like blowouts you know there's been a lot of games that like you kind of are sticking around there's some games obviously over early you can tell but whenever there's bad game we were able to hop over to matt madness last couple years it's

Speaker 1 electrifying they need to move that to the lead up to market madness have you ever been like i was just thinking for me like i have three sporting events that I've never been to that I would die to go to.

Speaker 1 Masters, obviously, one, College World Series in Omaha, two. When I covered Mississippi State and Alabama, they never went, which is annoying.

Speaker 1 Matt Madness, to me, is up there because it seems unbelievable in the building. And like, I have, like, my oldest son, Max, did wrestle, and we've talked about going.

Speaker 1 Like, that, I think that event would be live in person would be absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I agree. There's also that cheese chase that happens over here in Europe.
We'd like to see you be a part of it.

Speaker 2 We'd like to see you be a part of the roll down the hill. Is that what you're doing, Rattle?

Speaker 1 I've seen the Netflix on that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, count me out. What country is that in, Raphael?

Speaker 2 I'm Switzerland. I or Switzerland, yeah.
Sure. Germany?

Speaker 2 Is it? They're a scumbag, dude.

Speaker 3 They're not all the same.

Speaker 2 I've been to some of the other people. They're not all the same.

Speaker 2 You bag of bones. I'm sure you have.

Speaker 3 They didn't want you there. They were happy you left.
Especially if you ever come here to Scotland. I don't think they're going to treat you too kindly.

Speaker 3 With that being said, I have to go roll and do my thing. Rapping board, if you could please wrap up this show in an epic fashion, I'd be grateful.

Speaker 1 I got you.

Speaker 3 It's been fun. Boys, I'll see you tomorrow.
Boys, I will see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 Good show, bro.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Rappaport, thank you so much for traveling over there.
I will see you next time. Thank you for taking the time for the boys.
I'm going to go do my thing.

Speaker 3 This is going to be a beautiful time here in Glasgow. These fans are pretty

Speaker 2 insane.

Speaker 1 What is usually in that building you're at?

Speaker 3 So this is the Ovo Hydro, Ovo Hydro,

Speaker 3 10,000 plus. I don't know the exact number.

Speaker 3 They do all the good stuff here. They do all the good stuff.

Speaker 3 So much good stuff here.

Speaker 3 So much good stuff. It's almost hard to list it all out because there's so much good stuff.

Speaker 3 If these seats could talk, it would say so much good stuff. And that's what I'm expecting tonight.
It's going to be awesome. Very, very updated arena.
Like the chairs, seats are very nice.

Speaker 3 In the back, very nice. Like it is very clean.
I don't know how many events happen here, but I will say it is wonderful. And

Speaker 3 these European crowds are insane, rap. That's kind of the thing.
It's my first European WWE show.

Speaker 3 Not just, they take their soccer energy. and their hooligan energy into wrestling.
So they sing, they understand that the fans in wrestling really matter. Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 3 So like I've only, I've only got to watch European WWE shows, like basically my whole life. As of late, they've been coming over here more.

Speaker 3 Wasn't able to get to Belgium because it was the day after Selection Sunday for March Madness, and there's a lot going on. We have a lot of coaches joining us.
So, this is my first European show. I am

Speaker 3 very, very pumped to be in the building and feel these fans because they are a massive part of the show, and these motherfuckers are wild. And today should be no different.
I can't wait for it.

Speaker 3 I appreciate the hell out of you, boys. I'll see you tomorrow, okay?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, man. Good luck.

Speaker 3 Say you boys, see you boys, see you boys.

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Speaker 1 Have you guys ever been? You've been to soccer games over there, right?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. Of course not.
None of you guys? No, hell no. Actually, I mean, we're a big soccer show, but no.
Are we a big soccer show? No. Maybe.
Gumpy. Gumpy, maybe he's been over there.

Speaker 9 No, I've never been on the games in the U.S.

Speaker 2 Rapshaw. What did you think about Cena's heel turn?

Speaker 2 In the promo he cut last week.

Speaker 1 What'd you think?

Speaker 1 I was...

Speaker 1 I know all about it, obviously.

Speaker 2 Jeez,

Speaker 1 I saw the memes. Everyone sent it to me in varying fashions.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I couldn't believe that he

Speaker 2 turned heel. It was a shocker.
Just sad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I took down all my posters.

Speaker 2 Oh, sure.

Speaker 1 Which I think was too bad.

Speaker 2 Max and Jude just tearing each other apart.

Speaker 1 Man, when they

Speaker 1 came to WrestleMania with me, they could not have loved wrestling more. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's infectious.

Speaker 1 I mean, because, you know, obviously they love you guys and they love Pat, and so they've watched his match like a million times in my house. And they are,

Speaker 2 yeah. What state do you send them to for school?

Speaker 2 Yeah, what's that place called? Is it Bivwack?

Speaker 2 We know you send them away for the summer.

Speaker 1 I send them away for the summer, not for school.

Speaker 1 Although some people do that.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 One of my neighbors actually is from one of those other countries. And

Speaker 1 he went to school starting at like seven, like sleep away school.

Speaker 2 Like, that's what they.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, boarding school. Very legitimate.
Seven? Oh, yeah. A.M.
or. In the Northeast, there's, I mean, Bjorn Werner.
He wasn't seven, but he came over, what, at 14, 15 years old? That's so crazy.

Speaker 2 And he went to.

Speaker 2 That's like very common, prep school, private school, northeast. Like, I mean,

Speaker 2 Oh, I went to countries. I went to school with a kid who was from Mexico City.

Speaker 2 High school.

Speaker 6 We had a foreign exchange. They say Kim Jong-un went to a high school in like Switzerland.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Awesome.
Learn something new every day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it seems insane now. I mean, people will say it's insane when I do it to my kids send them away for seven weeks.

Speaker 1 I don't know if everyone's down for that, but I justify that. I think it's awesome for them.
School seems like sending away for the whole year seems different.

Speaker 1 No, I was saying for soccer, though, like what Pat's talking about with like their energy, they do not, nobody has conversations in soccer games.

Speaker 1 You sit next to a person, you don't, you cheer, and that is it. And then you also, when it's halftime, you go drink your face off like as much as you can at halftime, then you come back.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because you can't drink in the seats. Yeah.
That's stupid.

Speaker 1 Stupid.

Speaker 2 I mean, soccer is, but just that in general is stupid. Yeah.
That's wow.

Speaker 1 I may or may not have tickets to the Dortmund soccer game that is going to happen, I think, in MetLife

Speaker 1 in the summer. Oh, so yeah,

Speaker 2 they always do that tour, yeah.

Speaker 6 All the good guys always play in those ones.

Speaker 2 Really good, right?

Speaker 2 Marco Royce, sure. I believe they said a soccer.

Speaker 1 I have a Marco Royce jersey. I don't think he still plays for them, but he does.

Speaker 9 He plays for LAFC or LA Galaxy now.

Speaker 2 Does he? Yeah. I think I remember.

Speaker 1 I've actually been following extremely closely.

Speaker 2 But yeah.

Speaker 2 Anyway.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 2 Dorman's doing well in the Champions League. Are they doing well? Yeah.
We don't care. Not in the league, in the Champions League.
Take it easy, F1. Yeah, coming from the F1 guy.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 I told you I was the fakest F1 guy.

Speaker 2 I respect it.

Speaker 1 I watched my Netflix.

Speaker 2 You're going to Canadian one, right?

Speaker 1 We're

Speaker 1 thinking about the guys I was in Montana with were discussing maybe going to a little Montreal.

Speaker 6 Ooh, boys trip to Montreal.

Speaker 2 I got to connect you with Gay Christian. Go tell Mrs.
Sheet.

Speaker 2 I heard what's going on.

Speaker 1 She's not going to to be thrilled. We have not, actually, hopefully she's not watching because I have not mentioned the story yet.
But we'll see.

Speaker 1 No, she went on a girls trip to Montana the same thing. So the girls.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay, I like that. And then the boys.
Oh, okay. All right.
See, kind of a double whammy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 All right. Good stuff.
I want to go back to what our good friend Daniel Jeremiah was talking about. Okay, which is I like football and I want to talk about football.

Speaker 2 Sure. Okay.

Speaker 1 Which is.

Speaker 1 The quarterback landscape, right? Because we obviously talked about, we talked about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 We talked about where he's going, which I think I think the Steelers sort of seem like the most likely choice at this point although the Giants have certainly not ruled out he has a visit

Speaker 1 has not has not visited the Giants, which I don't know that that really matters.

Speaker 2 He's never been to MetLife.

Speaker 2 He's not going to like competing with Jameis. No, he's not.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 It is, I'm just, I'm going through it in my head. And the reaction to Jameis signing with the Giants was so weird weird to me.

Speaker 2 Like, he's a starter.

Speaker 1 I think people maybe didn't watch last year.

Speaker 2 What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 He got beat out. Like, he got benched, right? Is this the same guy?

Speaker 2 Listen, let's not judge what happens in Cleveland about what happened.

Speaker 2 Because also, remember, Joe Flacco led them to the playoffs, was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL for that 10-game stretch. And then they said, see you later.
So that could happen.

Speaker 2 And everyone was loving Denver's defense. What did J-Mo do? Oh, he just put up a casual 40 on them.

Speaker 1 I don't understand how that could be the same guy who was not good at

Speaker 2 last year.

Speaker 2 Listen, DTRA, sorry, he's a great young kid, but like they benched him for him.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they traded him. Yeah.
And then traded him. For Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 6 They couldn't let Jameis start because they knew what would happen. Hey, this guy's going to take the starting quarterback job.
He's never going to look back.

Speaker 6 And we're paying another guy fucking $800 million.

Speaker 2 So we need to make sure he's out there.

Speaker 1 No, I was thinking back to it was the five-year anniversary of Brady signing in Tampa this week, right?

Speaker 2 Five years already?

Speaker 1 I mean, which also was like, that was early COVID. So I remember Brady couldn't get a physical, had to go to like New York or something like that to get it.
The whole thing was crazy.

Speaker 1 But I was reminded, you talk about like the NFL revisionist or like, you know, going back to sort of like sliding door, what if.

Speaker 1 Do you guys remember that the Bucs offered Jameis a contract around the time in Mobile because he was going to be a free agent? He didn't accept, and then they pivoted to Brady.

Speaker 2 No, I did not.

Speaker 1 Like literally offered.

Speaker 2 This is after his 30, 30 year?

Speaker 1 This was right, I think at that, I think it was, it was either pre-LASIC or right when he got LASIC, and that was going to fix everything, which it has not.

Speaker 1 Had Jameis accepted the contract, I have, like, it's kind of like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 The NFL, like, what might have happened had that sliding door closed for the Bucs is like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 That's what I found myself thinking. Brady playing with Rabel in Tennessee, maybe? Because who was it?

Speaker 2 It was Darlington when they, I remember on ESPN, they had like a whole entire board, and it was like Tennessee was one of the teams. There's one other.
I don't know why. I can't remember it.

Speaker 2 And then Darlington actually

Speaker 1 weren't the Chargers in on it? Yeah, it might have been. I think they also made an offer.

Speaker 2 Because that's when Philip Rivers left. And then

Speaker 2 Darlington grabbed the, you know, the pen and he went over and wrote on the LED board like Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And that's, I assume that was probably around the time that Jameis kind of slid out.

Speaker 2 And then Tampa won the Super Bowl. Wow.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Brady held up four fingers and people didn't, remember, didn't know what down it was?

Speaker 2 That's the Bears. Nick Foles.
Very hot. Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 1 Nick Foles was the starter then?

Speaker 2 For the Bears, yeah.

Speaker 4 He refused to shake his hand for that game, too.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, that's

Speaker 1 crazy. I respect the pettiness so absolutely much.
The NFL's best.

Speaker 2 I wish someone did the entire theory last year where they shouldn't release free agent reports. And then week one, you find out where all these new players go.

Speaker 2 That's the one rule I would want to impose. I would be sick.
Wait, hold on. Sweet.
Hold on. So you wouldn't know where free agents are.
You wouldn't know off-season trades. You wouldn't know anything.

Speaker 2 And then week one of the NFL season. Suck for you.
Boom. Yeah.
Your job gets completely lost. We turn the team.
You're fired. And we're like, holy shit, Rodgers is on the Steelers now.

Speaker 2 DK, he's throwing a DK. DK, Matt Cap.

Speaker 2 He traded for it.

Speaker 2 Is George Pickens going to be a part of that wide receiver corps? I think he is.

Speaker 1 If they

Speaker 2 it's not,

Speaker 1 I want to be careful about the aggregators because I'm aware of, but I would say it's not 100%.

Speaker 1 Okay. Because there's always a little bit of like, first of all, like, let's say they don't sign Rodgers and it's.

Speaker 2 Mace dog.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, George Pickens going to be that, that happy? I don't know.

Speaker 6 Probably. He loves Mace.
He loves Mace.

Speaker 2 Does he?

Speaker 2 Big fan of Mace. Okay.
Although Pickens did say the one guy he'd want to play with is Aaron Rodgers. He did say that, too.

Speaker 1 I mean, those two should be together. If George Pickens is like, if George Pickens is...

Speaker 2 That's really, someone asked him one teammate you could have. And

Speaker 2 this was years ago. Oh, wait, actually.
And he said Aaron Rodgers. Yeah.
Yeah. Might get it.
Might get it. Be pretty cool, man.

Speaker 1 It's so the angst around Rodgers, I find it so hilarious. Like, Pat sort of alluded to it a little bit.
It's like, everyone's like, why won't you make a decision?

Speaker 1 And I'm kind of like, what are we going to talk about when he makes a decision? Like, true.

Speaker 2 Just. It's all draft.
He's the last thing, and then it's all draft. And Russ.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? No,

Speaker 2 it feels like nobody wants Russ.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you said you're like, that contract is going to be yikes.

Speaker 2 I need it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't, I mean.

Speaker 2 That speaks to how much people care. Now, did I want him to to be the Steelers quarterback again this year? No.

Speaker 1 Did you want him last year?

Speaker 2 I talked myself into it.

Speaker 1 You did.

Speaker 2 But he didn't. I don't think he played bad enough to get kind of how he's being treated right.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 My wife just texted me. I guess she is watching.
Oh, I thought that pays.

Speaker 2 Bye-bye, Montreal. Won't be going up there.
Sorry. I thought that was a breaking news face.

Speaker 1 It's worse. She says, you're going nowhere.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 2 Not. Man.
Good run for you, though. Okay.
Hope you enjoy Montana.

Speaker 2 No, what I really need. You can go anywhere.

Speaker 1 It's not a, as I told her very nicely, it's not a quid pro quo, but I want her to go on all the girls trips she possibly can because I want her to enjoy herself and have a great time with her friends.

Speaker 2 Well, and you guys get that cool eight weeks like we talked about where you're sending the kids away. Like, you guys get to do anything.

Speaker 1 We have to plan it this year.

Speaker 1 We got to get on. We've been a little busy.
We have to figure out where we're going. It's a whole

Speaker 2 went to Europe last year, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, now she's texting me again. Yeah, went to Europe last year.
I learned all the different countries that Pat was talking about.

Speaker 2 Of course you did. You did a great job of that.
Some we have had this offseason, though, some

Speaker 2 record-breaking contracts, market-changing contracts. Miles Garrett, Derek Stingley, Jamar Chase, now they all kind of reset the market.

Speaker 2 Can we expect any other big-time extensions before the draft?

Speaker 1 Before the draft, I don't know. Talk about the Steelers, right?

Speaker 1 Look, TJ Watts got a year left. I know getting something done with him is something that the Steelers want to do.
I mean, that's a guy, you know,

Speaker 1 you want to make sure he's around until the end of time. So, like, could he become the next to Eclipse 40? I think he could.

Speaker 2 Wow, okay. I think he could.
With Pittsburgh?

Speaker 1 With Pittsburgh. Because if you're TJ Watt, like, why would you sign unless it's, like, if you're as good as Miles Garrett, and I think he is,

Speaker 1 then that's what he should be getting.

Speaker 2 Is that the consensus around the people that you speak to that he's in that same, I know a lot of people see him, you know, 1A, 1B maybe, and some people that I've talked to may see Miles Garrett as clearly the top guy at this point.

Speaker 2 Football people. Yeah.
Numbers would suggest otherwise. Well, I mean, numbers, you know, numbers are numbers.
Numbers don't lie.

Speaker 1 To me, it's 1A and 1B.

Speaker 1 I think they're at least comparable, certainly just as decorated. But I think the problem is if you're TJ Watt and let's say you accept a contract that's $35 million a year.
Great deal. $28.

Speaker 1 Gonna be rich, whatever it is, right? But then everyone's gonna know that you're a bit lower. Like it really does sort of set where

Speaker 1 you are as far as like in the hierarchy.

Speaker 1 TJ Wild, like, why would you not like you want higher so everyone knows this is better?

Speaker 2 Numbers do matter when it comes to contracts for sure. I think

Speaker 2 no, I've never been in a negotiation, but what about Micah?

Speaker 1 Micah's gonna be higher.

Speaker 2 Yeah, see, Micah's younger, too. Oh, yeah, so like six years younger.
How old is TJ Wild compared to Miles? One. I think they're the same age.
Oh,

Speaker 2 Miles 29, but it'll be 30. Yeah, like basically a year apart.

Speaker 2 It's a big year. There's a big year.
It's a big year, yeah. Yeah, it's a big, big year.
No, Micah's only like 25. Yeah, he'll, I think, I think Micah will probably, just me assuming Micah or probably

Speaker 2 Hutch

Speaker 2 probably be the next guys.

Speaker 4 Yeah, what about Hutch coming off the broken leg rap sheet? Does that change anything at all?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Now, well, timing-wise, I don't think so.
All right, I'm sorry. Timing-wise, yes.
Actual, like what it'll end up as I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Like, the Lions have been very, very proactive in locking up their studs early. Like, Penny Sewell got a huge deal really early.

Speaker 1 Amon Raw, Sabrina, Amon Ra, Ali mcneil like they lock up their guys really early because they're smart i mean this is it's like

Speaker 1 they i'm trying to remember what amonra's deal i think amonra's deal was 28 million over the first three years average right i think that's what i thought it was 30.

Speaker 2 i thought he got to the 30 i think the overall number was 30 yeah i think it was four for 120.

Speaker 1 overall it was 30 that sounds right right and then 28 over the average over the first three and so like that's an awesome deal yeah but they end up saving them money because all the receiver deals after like brandon ayuk comes in at 30 and then it's sort of like well you'd rather have amino than brandon ayuk right no doubt like so that's that ends up saving the money so doing that early so anyway i would imagine hutz gets hutch gets done um as soon as they are absolutely 100 sure that he's healthy and ready to roll what about uh purdy we've been talking about the purdy contract for like two years now and now it's kind of time and they've obviously it's time moved on from a bunch of people i don't know are they contributing to ship people out of the building?

Speaker 2 I know IUK was kind of rumored by some people to get traded. Is that still happening? Or are we going to get purdy this year?

Speaker 1 It was, well, first the IUK thing. That was more than rumored.
Like, that was confirmed by John Lynch. That was the craziest thing.

Speaker 1 It's like, usually that kind of stuff, like sign a guy to a contract and, oh, you might trade him. Usually people are like, ah, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 John Lynch was literally like on local radio, was like, well, you know, you certainly have to consider everything.

Speaker 2 And I'm like,

Speaker 1 but, you know, is he going to be ready for the season? Is he going to be healthy? I'm not sure. Like, I could see him sitting out the first couple of games.
Like, that was a serious injury he had.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So who would trade for someone when you don't know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. The Browns.

Speaker 2 Well said. People have said that they might.

Speaker 1 We might. I mean, they actually tried to trade for him last year.

Speaker 2 Same in New England.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 New England being the other team for every free agent and every trade wide receiver was like my favorite sort of side storyline of agency.

Speaker 2 Me too. It was the Steelers for a while until they got DK, obviously.
Yeah. You know, Stefan Diggs in the building now.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Sounded like that went well.

Speaker 2 He insigned, so how well could it have gone? Well, but

Speaker 1 he's only like four months out from ACL surgery. So like, it's, I'm like, you know, during free agency is so hectic, right?

Speaker 1 You go to the Combine, and it's like you might have some drinks, you stay out late, brain is all scraped.

Speaker 6 You got to fight with a guy in a Starbucks.

Speaker 2 I didn't get your fights.

Speaker 2 Scream for security.

Speaker 2 You know, all those things, all those things.

Speaker 1 I was so annoyed when people were like, you got into a fight with something. I'm like, I didn't get into a fight with anyone.
I just stood there while somebody else tried to get into a fight with me.

Speaker 2 Did you cross your arms? Or did you? No, because you should have ball tapped them. In a fight.

Speaker 1 Cup check.

Speaker 1 No, I was standing there. I carry coffee around all the time at the combo because I'm always so freaking tired.
And so I had coffee in one hand.

Speaker 1 So like, even if there was some sort of something, I probably would have had to to like ruin my suit, but not because of what you said, but because I would have stayed.

Speaker 6 They reported that.

Speaker 2 I didn't know if that was legit.

Speaker 2 Who reported that? I think it sounds like a Florio. Is that my Florio?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it might have been Florio. Said that, like, the they had like pictures from like the hotel.

Speaker 2 You soiled your, you know, Florio's pants and crying into tissue.

Speaker 1 Yep. That was the only thing.
Florio had literally the whole thing word for word, like two hours long.

Speaker 6 How many people were in there? It was packed.

Speaker 2 50. Holy shit.
And everyone, like, record scratch. Yeah.
Stop what they're doing. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 The most ridiculous thing is,

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess it doesn't necessarily hurt to say this. It's like, so you've seen the picture, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Mike Garifolo took the picture

Speaker 1 and then sent it to literally everyone.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 So it's like, how did this picture get out?

Speaker 2 I love that move.

Speaker 1 I know how this picture got out. Like, Garifolo sent it to everyone he knew.

Speaker 2 And which, like, holy shit, she's getting fucking confronted by George Chultz right now.

Speaker 1 And, like, he's a good friend.

Speaker 2 You would have thought that he might have been.

Speaker 1 Doesn't sound like it, Raphael.

Speaker 2 No, it's like, shouldn't he have jumped in and be like, should have done something?

Speaker 1 Instead, he was like, all right, like, let's take this picture.

Speaker 2 And then we all would have hold in favor. That's good reporting.

Speaker 6 I mean, he knew that was going to, he's, oh, man, this is going to just steal all the headlines this week. This is all anyone's going to be able to be talking about.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was honestly a bad move for him not tweeting it. Who's the third Justinian?

Speaker 2 Is that

Speaker 2 Dexter? That's Phil. Jeremy?

Speaker 2 yeah so jeremy did he tuck tail or did he jump in like truck there and you were talking to fowler before schultz came over and said what's up motherfucker i was talking to uh an agent like who you can't see was actually at

Speaker 1 the picture uh his there's two agents one to the left and then one is behind yeah um

Speaker 1 but yeah fowler i love fowler like he just but he just stood there How about something like, oh, come on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Schultz has those tweeting. He's that fucking right eyes on.

Speaker 6 He's got the crazy eyes going.

Speaker 2 Yeah, big time. Yep.
And you can see me kind of like, yeah, leaning left, like, geez, weirdo, get away from it. Is this the first time some shit like this has happened to you? In your career?

Speaker 2 Does that?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean.
Didn't Dellinger confront you after you tried to have sex with his wife? What did I try to have sex? No, that is a.

Speaker 1 No, she changed her name to sex.

Speaker 2 Oh, I forgot. You don't really know.

Speaker 2 There's something long.

Speaker 2 Weird like. Guy's wife is watching.

Speaker 2 He told the story on the phone.

Speaker 1 His wife is like a very well-respected White House reporter, by the way, and I'm sure she's not watching, but if she is.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm glad we're getting this out of the way then, because that's the rumor he's starting on the show. Clear it up.

Speaker 1 I start lots of rumors.

Speaker 2 That's your job. Yeah, it's part of it.

Speaker 1 People are always like,

Speaker 1 can you believe like you like, was that weird to be like in the center of all that in the combine? I'm like, I'm in the center of nonsense all the time. Yeah, true.
It feels like.

Speaker 1 It's free agency week way before.

Speaker 2 You do love nonsense.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is why I'm in it. Like, I was, I mean, not that is the reason.
Sure, sure. That was the first time that's ever happened.

Speaker 1 Usually people, if they have like a, like an actual beef, will be like,

Speaker 1 can we talk about this? Like, you know,

Speaker 1 let's sit and discuss as like gentlemen. Yeah.
That was not a...

Speaker 2 It wasn't very gentlemanly. Do you get sick of it? Like, how long do you think you'll keep going? Like, can you take a shower? Yeah, it's so much shit.

Speaker 2 And like when Woese retired, I feel like it did kind of give some some people the perspective of like, oh, this stuff completely takes over insiders' lives.

Speaker 2 Like Woese did his whole entire thing about, you know, his friend's funeral. And he was like, holy fuck, I need to legitimately change my life.
And that's why he left.

Speaker 6 So he couldn't take a piss anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Couldn't shower. Couldn't hope.

Speaker 1 I do all those things.

Speaker 2 You shower?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I showered this morning. But are you just anxious doing it?

Speaker 1 No, I have my phone with me all the time.

Speaker 2 In the shower. In the shower.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Every time. And every, like, going, if you got to take a piss, it's a great time because you come out, you check your phone, and you do your shower.

Speaker 2 Did you put it one of those like beach lanyards that you put in a plastic Ziploc bag?

Speaker 1 No, I just let it ride. But when I was skiing, I had an attachment on, like, a, it was tethered to my ski jacket so I could check on the lift.

Speaker 2 Sure, yeah, that's smart.

Speaker 6 Okay, no, um, did you have like the homeless guy gloves sliced off to the top so you could still use your fingies if you needed to?

Speaker 2 Oh boy, sticky bandits caught that, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 The Marv merchants, if you will.

Speaker 2 I uh

Speaker 2 they sell the Marv won't

Speaker 1 watch those idiots fall on the traps is still one of my favorite sequences.

Speaker 2 Best part of Christmas every year.

Speaker 1 I mean, I still like,

Speaker 1 my humor is not exactly like highbrow.

Speaker 2 There we go.

Speaker 2 Bang. Classic.
Yeah, the Marv Ones.

Speaker 1 Must be very weird for them to be like, Joe Pesci is like a legitimately accomplished actor who's had like,

Speaker 1 and this, like, I don't know if it's his most famous role, but it's definitely

Speaker 1 in the top.

Speaker 2 He's like a goat farmer now. He actually just, dead serious.
Is he a goat farmer? Daniel Stern. Yeah, the guy on the right.
Yeah, Joe Petty. He's talking about Joe Pettit.

Speaker 1 Daniel Stern is a goat farmer?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he has like a massive

Speaker 6 farm and like does

Speaker 6 like art inside this massive warehouse. Yeah, he's kind of off the grid.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like Giovanni Carmazzi.

Speaker 1 Giovanni Carmasi's off the grid?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's a goat farmer.

Speaker 2 Huh? No, no, no. One of the Brady six.
Oh. The quarterback that the Niners drafted that thought Brady was going to be him.
Gio Godouli?

Speaker 2 No. Oh, Gio off the grid.

Speaker 1 There was a guy. Do you guys know who Jack Johnson is? Singer?

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 Banana pancakes.

Speaker 1 Come on, dude. My wife and I danced to that at our wedding, by the way.

Speaker 2 That was your song?

Speaker 1 That was our couple song.

Speaker 2 That was your wedding song. It's good.
Banana pancake. Waking up to her.
See you, Jack Johnson. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I hear he is an avocado farmer now. Has like taken himself completely off the grid and is like a wildly successful couple.

Speaker 2 Avocados from Mexico?

Speaker 2 Those are from.

Speaker 2 From. Yeah.
He still lives in Hawaii, though, right? Does he?

Speaker 6 I assume so.

Speaker 6 He is touring a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 His vibe sounds like Hawaii. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Anyway, that would be... I mean, talk about the Woge thing.
Yeah. The amount of people who've asked me, like, oh, are you going to retire and become like a GM of college? I was like, that's not me.

Speaker 6 GM of the Columbia crew thing.

Speaker 2 I would be.

Speaker 1 Alliance.

Speaker 1 Do we have NIL deals? No. I would be up.

Speaker 2 Should change the game, bro. Yeah.

Speaker 2 25 bucks in New Orse for your boat. I get it done.

Speaker 1 There's money in crew.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 You go do crew and then you become like an investment bank or something. That's basically what everybody says.

Speaker 2 So it's not in crew. It's in the people in crew.

Speaker 2 I know what you're saying. So is Purdy going to get paid?

Speaker 1 What do you think? Oh, yeah, Purdy.

Speaker 2 I think he's going to get paid.

Speaker 1 The contract is so hard because it's like,

Speaker 1 I think what you'd sort of like is like, all right, well, he made almost no money the whole time. So like, maybe he'll sort of inch his way up.

Speaker 1 But like all those guys, like he should be in the 50s, right?

Speaker 2 Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think when people think about him, they talk about him more like he's a 30s or 40s court.

Speaker 2 Not a lot. They do.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? People do.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. They talk about him like he's going to get like a Darnold contractor.
Right. A Baker contractor.
Except it's like,

Speaker 1 if you didn't know where he got, and I hate this about the draft because, like, because he was drafted last,

Speaker 1 people still think about him like he's the last pick, but it's like, like, who's more accomplished? Justin Herbert or Brock Purdy?

Speaker 2 Purdy. Purdy.
I mean, Purdy's more accomplished than basically everybody up there, except for Jalen Hurts and Lamar. And

Speaker 1 Burroughs similar, right?

Speaker 2 Jerry Golden. I would say Burroughs similar, but I would damn near

Speaker 2 Purdy either at him or above them. Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's, but that's, but this is the problem because no one, I mean, you're not sure you saw this. Like, it's like players get disgusted.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Players get disgusted from their drafts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that draft position sticks with you. That's why we saw, partly why we saw Stingley just reset the market the way he did.
He was a number three overall pick. He lived up to the high.

Speaker 2 Most of the guys that kind of break that barrier and reset markets, usually those are top-tier first-round type picks.

Speaker 2 And that just sticks with you throughout lives garrett obviously he's been great first or all pick you don't expect that from him that's why hutch hutch will be the next guy michael parsons same thing but i think brock purdy will definitely jump into that 50 uh 50 a year i don't think anybody in the next couple years would jump that 60 million mark um once josh allen kind of redid his deal and stayed at 55 i think that's kind of gonna hold hold it back yeah For sure.

Speaker 2 Holding back, you mean that's no, the next guy. I mean, the salary cap, it jumps up so much next year, so I'm sure there will be a guy soon.

Speaker 2 But once, I think that surprised me that Josh Allen took that 55 a year.

Speaker 2 Obviously, the guarantees are huge, but that gap right now where Dak is at, I don't think anybody jumps that just like Miles Garrett, just like Stingley with that big $5 million a year gap.

Speaker 2 I think that'll remain at least for another year.

Speaker 2 How about Lamar?

Speaker 2 I think he goes through the battle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got a big, got a big number coming up, big cap number coming up.

Speaker 2 What about Patrick? What about Mahomes? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Mahomes is tougher because he

Speaker 1 took the long deal, obviously, to help, you know, during

Speaker 1 to help them build. But I do wonder if at some point, like with

Speaker 1 trying to figure out where the Josh Allen deal comes in is tough because basically what they did is something no teams ever do. They ripped up the deal.

Speaker 1 They just said, we're going to give you a new deal and it's 55. Right? Instead of like, we're going to attack on two years and in many years, you're going to be at 60, took a new real deal that, like,

Speaker 1 you know, that

Speaker 2 with three years left, right? Yeah. Okay.
with

Speaker 2 i think it was four years okay four years left you know um and so like

Speaker 1 would mahomes do that knowing it might hurt the chiefs as far as like player acquisition like i don't know that he would i think he's more of along i think he's more along the brady plan of like

Speaker 1 you guys can say i'm undervalued but i'm gonna keep competing for super bowls you know

Speaker 6 okay don't you think he's good enough though where like even the guys they bring in and like they bring in some of these older veterans who aren't going to be making a bunch of money anyway it's like it's not like d-hop was going to be getting a ton of money from them like he could be like you know what it's been i've done this enough like i'm already the the the best quarterback in the nfl arguably the one of the best court maybe the best quarterback ever like it's time i'm the highest paid guy in the nfl and i'll i'll make the guys we bring in better anyway god i think about this all the time i mean you like if you're mahomes like Do you get annoying?

Speaker 2 And I think Brady, I mean, you knew him better than I did, but like, I don't think think he cared really about what people said about I mean he took below market deals for years oh yeah did he I mean it didn't seem like he cared right yeah he didn't seem like but for Mahomes not to be on this like as long as this is crazy it's that's that's asinine and obviously Brady and all these big time franchise yeah they got so much shit going on off the field for him you know endorsement wise and things like that that they're going to be good and you know you know part of the people that represent you know Mahomes and all those things but for him not to be on this deal and this obviously list will only get longer is crazy at this point.

Speaker 1 You guys were talking about it. I didn't even, I didn't even think about it.
He's literally not on there. Dude,

Speaker 2 I don't even think he's close. He's like 40-something? Or obviously, obviously, I mean, this deal was kind of funky last year.
42?

Speaker 6 So maybe he doesn't care, but like, also, that's bullshit. You know, like, I can't imagine if he sees this and he's just like, all right, whatever.

Speaker 2 I've won a couple Super Bowls. It's like.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, we were talking about with the edge rushers. It's like

Speaker 1 some of money is what you are not worth money-wise, but like you're ranking. So like, I like, to your point, like, I kind of wonder,

Speaker 1 I don't know, like, we know he's the best.

Speaker 1 Where is he at? What's the so 40? Yeah, I mean, that was the original deal. And then where's the cash? Can you hit the cash button?

Speaker 2 There we go.

Speaker 2 So yeah, 40.

Speaker 1 So 50,

Speaker 1 so 50 this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so 45 and a half last year or whatever. So 50 this year.
But like, would be a good time. I mean, he's got, you know, a cap number that's large.
This would be a good time for it.

Speaker 1 I just don't know, like, is he going to demand it?

Speaker 1 Do you think he just doesn't give a fuck? Or he's happy. Yeah.
Maybe he wants people to be like, this is the least selfish guy. Sure.
Because, like, he's made money.

Speaker 6 He's making a lot of money outside of the NFL as well.

Speaker 2 Ows a couple of teams or something. I'll say with that.
He's got part ownership, Royals, Royals, and

Speaker 2 that's my whole thing, though, because I know he's into that stuff. And more money definitely helps.
We're getting in too much.

Speaker 2 Like, if he wants to be in ownership groups for teams, more money would definitely help with that.

Speaker 1 I mean, and like Brady, you know, it's Brady obviously gets some criticism or whatever you'd call it for being part owner of the Raiders.

Speaker 1 And obviously, he's with Fox, and it's sort of like, you know, like Florio rips him all the time for better or worse.

Speaker 1 I wonder if that's going to be sort of the new currency to be like, when you're Mahomes and you see Brady doing it, and God forbid he wins in Vegas, like, is Mahomes going to be like, what's my team?

Speaker 1 Because everyone talked about Peyton Manning doing this. Yeah.
Never did it.

Speaker 2 With Denver? Yeah. Or, like,

Speaker 1 I think we thought with the

Speaker 1 Saints, maybe. No, no, it was Tennessee.
That's right. Where people, we kind of thought he would buy it and he didn't.
Like, I wonder if Mahomes is like, this is me.

Speaker 1 Like, this is my next kind of frontier. But you're right.
You need money for that.

Speaker 2 A lot of it.

Speaker 2 TNFL, baby?

Speaker 2 I don't know. A lot of money.

Speaker 1 I would say, like, to Brady, and I was thinking about this because I was in, you know, where I was skiing it was a lot of brady talk and actually

Speaker 1 talk about the jordan schultz thing i did talk to a source really close source who witnessed the brady rogers meeting on the slopes

Speaker 1 literally witnessed it and i was told according to a source they skied into each other not like into each other but chatted skied together and then that was it

Speaker 2 good source Did they race? They probably did. They had to have races.
Yeah, they raced. They didn't talk about it, but they just did it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I assume Brady Brady's a pretty good skier right now.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's not that great of a golfer. You'd think he would be better.

Speaker 2 He's pretty good. He's not bad.
He's hit that hole in one. Remember? From the middle of the fairway.

Speaker 2 All right. Was this the drone shot? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Remember? That was real. So, I don't know.
Is he a good golfer? I think he's.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's probably better than me.

Speaker 2 I assume.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, but anyway, like, I wonder, you know, the Brady angst over his Vegas stint. Like, I kind of wonder if he

Speaker 1 if he makes them good, if he helps them be good, like, I think this is going to be probably the biggest story in football.

Speaker 1 Led them back, helped hire Pete Carroll, got Gino, who we'll see what he is, but like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like, I, I mean, I don't know how bullish you guys are on Brady and the Brady ownership and Brady steering of these, of this team, but I think it's going to be pretty freaking interesting going forward.

Speaker 2 Yeah, definitely high on it, but you know, Denver, Chargers, Chiefs. Yeah, tough to be.

Speaker 2 Do we think any any of those teams are getting worse

Speaker 2 i i think brady is a great story i think it is cool and i don't think it really matters what he does in vegas because he's already you know the greatest of all time but it's like are any of those three teams doing worse but ownership is he could this is in 10 years he could turn around like yeah

Speaker 2 freaking 30 years

Speaker 2 he brings the raiders to the national contention or they're contending for titles and shit in the next however many years or there year after year like that'll be as impressive as what he's done as a football player yeah with what the raiders with the what the raiders have been for the last what a couple decades

Speaker 2 yeah at least since just when baby i feel like al davis days if he brings them back to promise because raiders you know is an iconic brand you know in the nfl but he if he does that from the ownership level you know gets a team in there that can contend you know as decades year you talk about how tough that division is in the same division as Patrick Mahomes, who is, in most opinion, the second greatest quarterback right now, that'll be wow.

Speaker 2 that'll be crazy yeah put some respect on rich cannon's name yeah

Speaker 2 2001 foremost uh but 2001 yeah oh yeah so

Speaker 2 how how do how do you think they do that like no with is g do you think gino like right now oh but looking at the team like i mean it'll be better

Speaker 2 competitive they still got great pieces there's better than gino smith no i do not

Speaker 6 absolutely not but it will be it'll be the next iteration because pete carroll's only going to be around for probably like four more years tops like he's not coaching into his 80s i I was thinking three would be like, and that's why I think

Speaker 2 so.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, 73, something like that.

Speaker 2 Turning 73, I think.

Speaker 1 And that's why it was so interesting. And like, it's funny.
Culture is like, you know, culture is like so insanely important. And I don't know how good they're going to be this year.

Speaker 1 My guess is better because. Certainly we're not going to be worse.

Speaker 2 It's an easy guess, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's not exactly what I'm going to do.

Speaker 2 But like, right.

Speaker 1 But like getting someone to teach everyone the culture and understand how to like be a professional is so much of it. Like

Speaker 1 the stories you would hear out of the Raiders building the last couple years, not exactly a bastion of professionalism. Like, not great.

Speaker 1 And like, even people who did a really good job there, like, Dave Ziggler was the GM, I would argue he drafted well.

Speaker 1 Tolesco drafted really well, his one draft, but like, there's so much other clutter, noise, nonsense dealing with all the time that, like, well, now they also have the Whiz kid at GM, too.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 that's, I think that'll be good, too.

Speaker 2 Jimbo Gladstone was with the

Speaker 2 Jaguar before Jimbo Gladstone got hired.

Speaker 2 The Wiz Kid.

Speaker 2 John Spy Tech. Yeah.

Speaker 1 One of the Bucks.

Speaker 1 Bucks disciples.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Tom met him down in Tampa and said, well, this guy's the Wiz Kid.
So, like, what would you say is bringing them back success?

Speaker 2 You're saying this year? No, no, no, it's five, ten years. Yeah.
Competing. Like playoffs every year.
And then

Speaker 2 so, like a consistent thing, not like a conference. Yeah, consistent.
Yeah. Consistent.
And should he's ownership, so he's going to be there, I would

Speaker 2 assume for a while and if he's coming in day one and uh mark davis is kind of giving him it seems like from what we've heard that he hey you're kind of running the show all right that's what it is and for the next you know five ten fifteen once again pete care era will be short we all assume gino we don't know how long he'll be there but if you get a coach gm quarterback and you have like okay the raiders are in the conversation year in and you're out and then actually competing you know, AFC titles, you know, division wins, like

Speaker 2 fourth every year. Yeah, that'll be crazy.
And Brock, I mean, they got some pieces. Max is still there.
Brock Bowers is still there.

Speaker 1 I kind of wondered if Max would kind of be like.

Speaker 6 Well, I wonder if that's part of the reason why they get someone like Pete Carrett, like a serious head coach who can kind of stabilize things and get him going in the right direction.

Speaker 6 Because one more year of them being really bad, he might have been like, fuck this place.

Speaker 2 I want to go win somewhere.

Speaker 1 I mean, going into the... It's funny, like, I always look back at our Super Bowl storyline.
I said, well, we talked about Super Bowl Sunday, and it was like,

Speaker 1 is Max Crosby going to stay or is he going to ask to be traded? Is Micah going to stay or is he going to, and like, it seems like everyone probably stays.

Speaker 1 I mean, we got some good clicks out of it, but it seems like everyone stays. But like, that was really a question.
It's like, is he going to believe in this place enough to where like,

Speaker 1 like, I'll actually stick around? And the other thing was, is we all thought that Geno was going to get an extension in Seattle.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this was like the, the arc of this was so crazy because like free agency week, it's like, I knew they were having negotiations with Geno. I knew they weren't getting anywhere.

Speaker 1 I knew it was like, it sounded like it was like a full communication breakdown in Seattle with Gino.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, you start to hear confidence from like the Sam Darnold world of like, okay, wait a minute, like something is going on.

Speaker 1 And like, that's how we ended up figuring out that he was going to be traded because it was like, hold on. Like, I remember we heard of.

Speaker 1 a secret conversation with Raiders in Seattle during the Combine where they talked about a Gino trade that involves Metcalf and Max. I think, if I remember this correctly,

Speaker 1 everyone kind of laughed about it, but they didn't stop talking. It was just kind of like, whoa, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 And I was like, all right, if their secret conversation's there, if they're ready to move on from Geno because they didn't get a contract extension, like, what the heck is going on?

Speaker 1 And then up trading him, and Darnold was like, once that happens, like, that's obviously where Darnold's going. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So did the other teams make offers to Darnold?

Speaker 1 Or was that the best offer? I think that was, I think that was the only offer.

Speaker 1 I think it was, because I don't, wasn't like it wasn't like gino was on the block it was like this team has engaged and then i think they were sort of like all right we know each other obviously pete and john know no i mean for darn old was that the only offer darnold got

Speaker 1 it wasn't the only offer but it was the only offer close to there well i uh

Speaker 1 i don't know that there were other formal offers i would say but like it did seem like

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 unless it was that's not true

Speaker 1 vikings had an offer they offered him vikers had an an offer.

Speaker 2 But it wasn't that close. No.

Speaker 1 Their offer, the Vikings' offer, I believe, was more in the 20s.

Speaker 2 How many years? Damn.

Speaker 1 I think it was one.

Speaker 2 Oh, so they wanted to give him just like a tag, but half a tag?

Speaker 1 I think that's what it was. So like they were actually, I know the Vikings were like considering tagging him, Darnold.
And then it's like, tag him, tag him to trade him.

Speaker 1 And then they didn't end up doing it because there wouldn't have been a market.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're already going to JJ. Yeah.
You offer that, you don't take like you. They're ready to JJ.
But what about Gino?

Speaker 2 Now that he's traded, where are the conversations with Vegas in the new deal?

Speaker 1 Doesn't sound like they've really kind of

Speaker 1 got off the thing. Like, I don't, I mean, I'm sure they've had.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was actually surprised, like,

Speaker 1 I would have thought

Speaker 1 a deal would have come with the trade. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because that's.

Speaker 1 If you're, you know, that'd be a way to do it, but

Speaker 1 I mean, maybe they don't, maybe there's, I mean, I don't know they'll make them play it out, but that gets interesting if that happens. It's like,

Speaker 1 Then they're in the same situation the Vikings were in with Donald, where it's like, do we tag him? Do we keep going? Like, do we move on? Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Maybe we should see how the draft plays out. Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say.
Because obviously, Brady and New England, if

Speaker 2 Hunter and Carter are gone and Shadir's there at four, could you see

Speaker 2 Brady and New England trade and they go back to six and then take whoever the fuck is there?

Speaker 1 Raiders trade up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Raiders go to four. New England goes to six.

Speaker 1 I don't think

Speaker 1 I hate doing this with the draft because like everyone lies.

Speaker 2 It's all just fucking fodder, yeah.

Speaker 1 But I don't believe that the Raiders consider any quarterback to be that high. Okay, like so I don't think they would come up.

Speaker 1 Now, maybe if Cam Ward suddenly was there, but that's what's like so interesting. And I think Daniel Jeremiah did a really good job of explaining it.
Is like the prospects are good.

Speaker 1 The middle of the draft is good, but like it feels to me now that Shador and then a little bit later,

Speaker 1 like maybe a a couple other quarterbacks, maybe. But like,

Speaker 1 Jackson Dart sort of be in the 20s, maybe, but it doesn't seem like there's that many high-end. So it's like, like, he's right.
Like, if Shador doesn't go three, that's the biggest story of the draft.

Speaker 2 And we know

Speaker 2 we assume Jacksonville's not taking a quarterback two or Lawrence. So in Brady, I mean, he knows Shador.
Can we see the draft order again?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, like the whole Shador Gino thing and the fact that they haven't given him a deal. Yeah.
Makes sense. There's a chance if he doesn't go three

Speaker 2 that, you know, or Saints at nine, like 20.

Speaker 1 Saints and nine, I've thought about.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I'd say Jets at seven. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're talking about anybody that needs a quarterback, especially with players like Garrett Wilson, who are one of those, hey, I'm not going to sit around on a fucking shitty team.

Speaker 2 That can help. I mean, Fields didn't get bad money there.
He didn't get started. He got 20, was it, 20 million or something?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, he got good money.
That's the most money he's made. But you're right.

Speaker 1 It's not like we're set at quarterback.

Speaker 1 Now, I happen to be a big Fields fan, so I think he's going to be, I think he's going to play well.

Speaker 2 I mean, him and Brees Hall

Speaker 2 and Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, but, but, I mean, there's, there's a lot of teams that, like, sort of could use one.
Like, the Saints are an interesting one to me.

Speaker 1 They're doing all the quarterback homework. I could see them.
I know he mentioned the Browns being a team that could come back.

Speaker 1 I could see the Saints coming back into the first round, trying to take one. Late.

Speaker 1 You know, because like that'll be, like, Jackson Dart will be sitting there, Quinn Ewers, who's got his pro day tomorrow. Like, might he be a late one? Maybe someone could come up.
Like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because there's six teams in the top 10 that need quarterbacks, the first three and then Raiders, Jet Saints.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which like it's funny. Like from my standpoint, like

Speaker 1 all I want is just draft chaos, right?

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 1 Absolute, like, that's why we're talking about the

Speaker 1 Will Anderson trade. It's like, that was freaking chaos.
Like, count me in for that. But if we see, like, if Shador slides, biggest story of the draft right there.
Like, no doubt about it.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, because the crazy thing for him, and you guys will have to let me know what you think of this, but this is what I think about.

Speaker 1 If Shador Sanders goes to a team without a fully solid coach, with a coach who might be on the hot seat, he goes there.

Speaker 1 Is anyone talking? Like, how many times are we going to mention, could Dion be the coach of this team next year? A lot.

Speaker 2 Right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep. No doubt.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 That That was a big conversation storyline with Dallas. And he was.
He was, in my opinion, was obviously never going to Dallas with that contract, but that was still a big conversation.

Speaker 2 Hey, Dallas, you placed Mike McCarthy, Deion, Shadur. So, yeah, that is definitely.
You always talk certain prospects.

Speaker 2 And then certain players, even, you know, once they're just other shit that comes with them, good, bad, or indifferent. Aaron Rodgers, it's going to be a lot of shit that comes with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 Tim Tebow, towards the end of his career, you signed him to be a tight end and backup quarterback. It's going to be a lot of Cam Newton.
It's going to be a lot of shit that comes with certain people.

Speaker 2 I think it's going to be the same with Shadur. So

Speaker 2 that's a fair point. And obviously, owners and people are tuned to what's going on with Shard Story.
They probably love it, though.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that was like the let Dak walk thing because his contract wasn't really logged in. It was like, hey, this guy could be a free agent.

Speaker 2 And then they just trade up and draft Shador and hire Deion. But if you had to bet right now.

Speaker 1 Which obviously I don't. Which you can't, yeah.

Speaker 2 Would you say Shadur's going in? Because Cam Ward's going one. It feels like that's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Whether it's Titans or or not.

Speaker 1 I think the Titans are still in evaluation mode on whether they're going to trade or pick.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if it's not Titans, who is it?

Speaker 1 Giants probably would be my guess.

Speaker 9 Is Bill Levis on the market then?

Speaker 1 He's not on the market, but I would say he's definitely someone I'm watching.

Speaker 1 Like, I think there's a couple backup quarterbacks, which, like, he was benched last year, so I think it's fair to characterize him as.

Speaker 1 I think there's a couple of guys that I'm sort of monitoring to be like, all right, like, like you mentioned, Aiden O'Connell, like, could, like, didn't come in with Pete. Teams need a bat.

Speaker 1 Like, could he be on the move? Like, I think there's

Speaker 2 Malik Willis. Malik Willis.
Malik Willis. Although Malik Willis played well last year.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Second round pick, first round pick.

Speaker 6 He came in, did not lose that game.

Speaker 2 First round pick, yeah. Maybe two first round picks.

Speaker 6 There's certainly a chance.

Speaker 2 There's certainly a world in which that happens. I mean, Joe Milton.
Joe Milton's going for a first.

Speaker 1 I mean, Joe Milton is very, very interesting. Would you, you follow them as closely as anyone I know.
What would you think of a Milton trade?

Speaker 2 I'm good. Go ahead.
You go ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Tell me what you're doing. Personally,

Speaker 2 give me your argument. My perfect draft for the Patriots.
Well, they already brought in Dobbs, so why carry three quarterbacks?

Speaker 2 But my perfect draft for the Patriots is they take a, you know, Hunter or Jinti or Tyler Warren or something at four and then trade back in to the first round towards the end and take one of those, you know, the Oregon tackle or or one of those type of tackles that they really love and that you you know you really wouldn't have to give up that 38 pick because you know you trade joe milton for a third would you say you know two-thirds get you back into the back half of the yeah i think that's probably right you know what i mean so like then you still have a pick in every single round you're giving up joe milton and you're giving up let's just say 69 because it's the higher pick oh that's why you pick 69 no i picked 69 just because you know i don't think 77 and joe Millen gets you there, but maybe, you know, saying that top 70 pick does.

Speaker 2 And so then all of a sudden you're getting two first-round guys, and at 38, you know, everyone's talking about Abdul Carter. At 38, then you're getting one of those top pass rushers.

Speaker 2 So you're legitimately getting a

Speaker 2 top-tier player right at the top with a hunter or a jinty or someone there to help Drake May. You're getting a tackle in the back half of that, you know, first round, whoever that is.

Speaker 2 And then you're also getting a pass rusher, which, you know, I would put third in the list of things that the Patriots need just because Harold Landry, Milton Williams, Keon White, Christian Barmore.

Speaker 2 That's the only draft they got right there. That would be, is that for the Patriots?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So a lot of people say Donovan Jackson saved Ohio State season because of all the O-line injuries, and he basically was the rock on that.
It's on an island. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, and like Travis Hunter, like all

Speaker 2 cases is definitely who I would want the Patriots to get. And I would, he's wide receiver one, and then he comes in, you know, in the red zone to play corner, and then we just lock it down.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know, I felt surprised to hear Daniel Jeremiah say that. Like, I say that he would be a

Speaker 2 turn to card in? So I've listened to DJ on and move the sticks a ton, him and Bucky, and then also Field and Kuiper. They all say that if...

Speaker 2 Travis Hunter was just a wide receiver, he would be the number one ride receiver in this draft class by far. Crazy.
It would be a top 10 wide receiver by far. Yeah.
Yeah. If he was just wide receiver.

Speaker 2 So that's why I would want him. And we don't need him at corner.
You got Gonzalez and Carlton.

Speaker 1 I know, but like,

Speaker 1 if he is a lockdown corner, him and Gonzalez playing it in the same place.

Speaker 2 Dude, I mean, that's why I think the red zone, you bring him in, and then it's just like, okay, you have to throw it.

Speaker 2 You leave Gonzo on an island. Hear me out here.
Okay. You leave Gonzo on an island.
You double whoever Carlton Davis is on, and then you leave Hunter on an island.

Speaker 2 And you send eight, and you make him throw it at, you make him throw it at Travis Hunter. Engage eight.
Engage eight and throw it it at Travis Hunter. Let's see if we can get a couple red zone picks.

Speaker 2 That is legitimately what I would do. But also, if Hunter and Abdul Carter are gone, I think Ginty would be awesome.
Because look what just happened.

Speaker 2 The last two Super Bowls. God.
Running the running back. Payroll loves a running back.
He loves a good running back. Ramondre Stevenson and him.

Speaker 2 That kind of has shade to David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs. What did you say?

Speaker 2 I would.

Speaker 2 I would.

Speaker 2 Tell you that much. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Think about it, Rap.

Speaker 1 The fact that a running back could be taken so early and no one's like laughing is amazing. Like, it has come all the way through.

Speaker 2 DJ thinks there's a chance that him or Genti and Amario and Hampton both go in the top 10.

Speaker 2 Six or Genti, six. He has Genti.
Hampton special too. And then Hampton attended the Bears potentially.
That's interesting. Geney.
God, Bears. I don't know, Connor.

Speaker 2 If we did, they would have been better.

Speaker 1 Bears, I mean, Bears are another team.

Speaker 1 I was actually thinking when you guys were talking about, when we were all talking about Gino, like people asked me, like, who's the the team that could, I mean, I feel like. It's always the Bears.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Seahawks would be one that I was thinking of.
Bears, again, like with the Ben Johnson edition and like...

Speaker 2 I feel like they could be pretty good.

Speaker 2 We say that every year with the Bears.

Speaker 1 Has it been every year?

Speaker 2 It's our year, though. It's our year.
Pretty much.

Speaker 2 It's been them for a long year. All Pactors fans.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, I'm pretty sure that every offseason say, Shoot, the Bears in Free Agency? Bears might win fucking 10 games this year.

Speaker 1 There were years of the Red Panthers.

Speaker 2 look these those top four teams i feel like there's just one clear team that has the best chance next year

Speaker 2 titans

Speaker 2 i think we know which team i'm talking about commanders they're not in the top four oh that is that is clearly new england my friend okay so you think i mean there is one one every year who jumps out and has like it's happened the last two years i say commanders i was thinking of the commanders as that team yeah and the year before was the texans yeah they had the two pick i'm just saying saying.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying. I mean, the Bears are going to be much better than 5-12, that's for sure.
Probably.

Speaker 6 Who knows, though? You know, Jimbo Gladstone and Liam Cohen.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they might fuck around.

Speaker 6 Flip that thing around.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the quarterback. I mean, Houston's got half an O-line now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that Gladstone.

Speaker 1 I have no idea how good he is going to be. I mean, it seems like he has.
McVay loves him.

Speaker 2 McVay does love him. Said he was a dog.

Speaker 1 He has. But he is a little bit like...
Like, McVay got hired too early by the Rams, but they were like, he's special and we don't care. Like, we'll work with it because.
What do you mean, too early?

Speaker 2 Well, so. 30 years old.

Speaker 1 No, but like when he, when the Rams are interviewing him, everyone said the same thing. They're like, he is,

Speaker 1 he's not ready. It's too young.
But we have to hire him because we might lose him. And I'm sort of like, why would you hire a 29? But it turned out to be one of the best.

Speaker 6 Les Need said that when we had him on the show last week. He was like, in retrospect, we probably should have hired him earlier.
So we probably should have hired hired him when he was like 28.

Speaker 1 God, Les does so many things that seem at the time to make zero sense and then just crushes it.

Speaker 6 Mad scientist.

Speaker 2 Who's done?

Speaker 6 He's probably got to take a piss.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have been standing here for a very long time more poop.

Speaker 2 More poop.

Speaker 6 He could have to poop. I think he had steak and eggs this morning.

Speaker 2 That's kind of a recipe for a little fettuccine Alfredo right after. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 That's kind of a big dump recipe.

Speaker 2 That's going to happen.

Speaker 1 We got six minutes left. I don't know if he's going to come back.

Speaker 1 Do we have to say goodbye to him if he doesn't come back?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I don't think so. You're running the show.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 you're steering this boat.

Speaker 2 What'd you call him? Oh, no. God damn it.
Went through the whole show.

Speaker 1 She's so close.

Speaker 2 What the fuck, man?

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 That hurts. Fucking.

Speaker 2 You did that to me on air.

Speaker 2 Austin guy, too. We were at the league meetings last year.

Speaker 2 I remember it. It hurt my soul.
I'm sorry, Rapsheet. You know how I feel about you.
I appreciate that. I fucked up.
Yeah, listen.

Speaker 1 I fucked up. You got to own it.
That's, I mean. Hand up.

Speaker 2 No excuses. I fucked up.

Speaker 1 It's all right. You know, when I was covering in the locker room, you always appreciated those guys who give up a big play and stand up and go, that's on me.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 2 That's on me. That's what I do.
You know, I've never shied away from that. I cheated on my math project when I was in high school.
Teacher called me out. Did you really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 You cheated on it? Copied the whole thing. Stop.
You did?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Did you get caught? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What? I got caught. Mr.
Pond. How'd you get caught? How'd you get caught? It was bar for bar, my friend.
It was the exact same thing as someone else in my class and Mr.

Speaker 2 Pine called me in and I said, I fucked up. I tried to copy the whole thing

Speaker 2 and I got a zero.

Speaker 2 You got a zero? I got a zero. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He didn't even give you the answers right that like you had on your own. It was all just.

Speaker 2 Oh, every I didn't do one thing. I basically changed the names on it, and then I submitted it.
And then I, you know, I just, I just kind of ate that bullet. Hand up.
I fucked up. Okay.

Speaker 2 That's what I said. Mr.
Pine was like, honestly, respect because I did this with three other people that cheated and none of it. They all denied it.
And you're the only one that said I fucked up.

Speaker 2 That is amazing. That being said, you're going to get a zero in detention for a month.
Got a zero. I already notified your parents.

Speaker 2 You're going to have to ace the final to pass this class. I said, all right, Mr.
Pine, that's business, baby.

Speaker 1 Notified the parents. God.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was tough. That was tough, you know, going home.
Didn't get ice cream that night.

Speaker 2 Tell you that much. But

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the risk you take when you cheat. Don't cheat, kids.
That's the lesson here. Don't get caught.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say that'd be the other. Well, that was the only time I got caught.

Speaker 2 You don't want to hear about my Latin class?

Speaker 2 No, certainly don't. Oh, wonderful lady taught that one.

Speaker 2 This is, you know, all a stupid conversation, though.

Speaker 1 I mean, I would that's probably.

Speaker 2 I apologize for calling you that.

Speaker 1 Thank you. No, I don't think we'll ever, I can't come back from that.
I think we've done a great job today, of carrying this through. You too.

Speaker 2 Great work. You too, for two.

Speaker 2 Great work.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it. It's always fun to hang out with you guys.

Speaker 2 It's the best part of my day. Yeah, it is a good time.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 That's all we got. Yep.

Speaker 2 What do we need to keep an eye out for? Hold on, I'm listening to my ear. All right.

Speaker 1 Keep an eye out for. Glad you mentioned it.
Pat McAfee is going to be on Raw Raw 4 o'clock on Netflix.

Speaker 1 I will be watching. Yep.

Speaker 1 Obviously, like I always do. I'm a huge wrestling fan, as you guys know.

Speaker 1 I think the Twin Towers are going to be on tonight.

Speaker 2 Sure. Who, I don't know.

Speaker 2 That's my only wrestling fan. Who the fuck is that? That was an old wrestling tag team.
Don't look at me.

Speaker 2 I'm pretty new to.

Speaker 1 Hulk Hogan, I think, is no.

Speaker 2 Anyway,

Speaker 1 you asked where we're watching for before we go, real quick.

Speaker 1 Where the heck is Aaron Rodgers going to sign? Sure. Where does Russell Wilson go after that?

Speaker 1 Which direction?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 That's the big boss man.

Speaker 2 No, they were the.

Speaker 2 Is that a near con?

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 6 That kind of does look like him a bit.

Speaker 1 Is that Z? The boss man's outfit was just... Yeah, top outfit.
I cannot comment on that.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 It actually

Speaker 2 was me.

Speaker 1 That's Akeem, right?

Speaker 2 Z bow. Bode.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 the ultimate in racial appropriation there. Or ethical appropriation.

Speaker 2 Anyway, sure.

Speaker 1 What do the Titans do at one?

Speaker 1 These are my storylines for the next month. What do the Titans do at one? Do they decide to pick? If not, do the Giants come up? And then where the heck is everyone going to get drafted?

Speaker 1 Plenty to carry us through over the next month. Thank you guys for joining us.
You guys rock. You make me feel at home, and I love hanging out with you.

Speaker 1 Join us tomorrow when the actual host, Patton McAfee, will hopefully be here assuming his jet blue flight makes it on time. Sure.
Thank you very much for joining us.

Speaker 2 Take care.

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