PMS 2.0 1312 - Rece Davis, Greg Sankey, Daniel Jeremiah, Gable Steveson, Darius Butler, & Ian Rapoport LIVE In The ThunderDome

Welcome to the Thunderdome. I am not Pat McAfee, but do not adjust your sets.
This is actually real and it is actually happening. Pat McAfee! Crushed it.
I told Pat before the show that I would nail it and I did. I am Ian Rappaport, also known as Rappsheet, and I am hosting the Pat McAfee show today in place of Pat.
We don't know where Pat is.

He is in another country.

Parts unknown is how it was described to me. Okay.
But I am told he is joining us right there. I'm splitting the screen with you.
Yeah. I'm splitting the screen with you, Rapp.
I'm just saying, I don't know where you are right now. It could be anywhere.
Hi, Pat. I'm in Glasgow, Scotland.
Look to your right. It's right above my picture on the big screen.
Yeah, it says in Glasgow. Dirty.
Probably pieced that together. Hey, great work back there, boys.
Great work back there, boys. How you doing? I'll tell you what, Rap.
I've never been in Scotland. This is my first time over here.
And obviously, we have Monday Night Raw here tonight on Netflix. I believe it kicks off 4 p.m.
Eastern, 8 o'clock local. Only a four-hour time zone difference as opposed to, you know, some places in Europe that are like five, six hours.
And I'll tell you what, Glasgow is lovely. I've been waltzing around this town all morning, kind of getting a lay of the land, seeing some things.
Had a nice breakfast at Cafe Sono. My guy Fahy from Turkey.
This spot was unbelievable. And, you know, Fahy didn't speak a lot of English, and I don't think he understood everything I was saying, but I pointed at Scottish breakfast, and he knew exactly what I wanted.
He even gave me some extra fried eggs. So shout out to Fahy and his mom, a wonderful Turkish duo that run Cafe Sono underneath the train station here in Glasgow.
That's him cooking right there for me this morning as soon as I got into town. Then I waltzed around, you know, got a chance to get my hair did.
You know, I got my hair cut. I got him Tyler, who was Syrian.
OK, he was Syrian, but he learned how to cut hair in Kuwait from his father when he was 13. And I got the fade in Scotland.
So I don't know if this is a Syrian fade, a Kuwaiti fade, or a Scottish fade. Nonetheless, this guy was an artist.
We're talking about a magician with the scissors and his guy, Steve, in the shop was also fantastic as well. I walked around, maybe met some kilp makers, maybe kings of kilts.
Yeah, shook some hands, got a chance to meet the scottish folks and uh the sun was shining

over here in glasgow because it's a wonderful day rappaport thank you so much for traveling to indianapolis obviously it's great to see you back there with the lads and what a perfect day for you to be here obviously not because the nfl is the topic of conversation even though we'll have daniel jeremiah in the next hour but because sports are popping off in a big way especially for degener degenerate booze bags like you Yeah, madness more like March sadness rap in my right boys boys talk to table at Boston Connor at tie Schmidt one half of the hammer Now that cowboys a pitone and nine-year NFL vet Darius J Butler Start with the toxic table start with the toxic table con man I know you bet every single underdog. Sorry about it, bud.
It's been a rough couple days for you. What is your takeaway? What is your thought on the weekend that was in College Hoops? Yeah, it was a fantastic weekend.
Overall, 13 and 44 were the underdog money line bets. So yeah, you could say we didn't do too well, but we actually kicked it off in a fantastic fashion.
That was a pins mechanical company on Thursday. Got properly boozed up.
A crack was had, if you will. But, you know, as much as it stinks with the no Cinderella's, and I know the conversation this morning has been, you know, Cinderella's dead.
NIL is going to kill Cinderella forever. I don't know about that.
I more so think, you know, looking ahead is where the, you know, madness is really to be had, where these 1-4 matchups, some of the three versus two matchups are going to be incredible. Arkansas is kind of the only double-digit seed that has made it.
And even there with Calipari, with them being one of the seven SEC teams in the Sweet Six team, it does feel as though it's going to be a great close to the tournament. But, yeah, it's sad.
You know, everyone likes to see an underdog. Everyone likes to see a Cinderella.
And, personally, I want to see some buzzer beaters. And, immediately, as soon as we do finally get a buzzer beater, everyone starts bitching about a travel.
Traveling is real. No, no, no.
Traveling is not real. Yeah, hold on.
And, listen, first of all, I think if you were to slow that down D but I think he takes a dribble It's doing six foot ten. Yeah, obviously he's a freshman from Baltimore, which we learned but the story behind this dude Being asked during the timeout right before who wants the ball and he says give me the motherfucking ball I mean what an answer D but I'm a Maryland Terrapin fan going forward now that the johnnies are out strictly because of this i don't know if i'm a turp fan with you but i love that type of moxie a lot of type of juice in the huddle then backing it up and actually getting the bucket i believe gene's territory gave the explanation after the play as to why it wasn't a travel thing they call it a gather step we know traveling isn't real on the big time basketball level but, but that's an unbelievable play.
A great shot going to his left, fading away, getting that touch off the glass. Was a beautiful buzzer beater to a great, great game.
Now, my Huskies, they got knocked off yesterday. Great battle with the Florida Gators.
Took it well. Took it real well.
Dan Hurley, of course, he took it like a championship. I like my losers to be sore losers.
So you got to take the good and the bad. How can you stand up for that dude? Why wouldn't I? Back to back national champion.
No, he's a great coach. No, he's a great coach.
I'm just saying minutes, Pat, minutes seconds after. He knows cameras are in the tunnel, right? Of course.
And this is what, I mean, it's the refs. Hey what, Rap? Hey, Rap.
Listen, Rap. You and your journalist committee have decided that this isn't how a guy's supposed to act.
This is not how a coach is supposed to act. How about Dan Hurley gets to decide how Dan Hurley acts? Guy wins back-to-back national championships.
The boys absolutely love him. But I understand you journalists don't like the super competitive coach.
You know, let's go to the Super Bowl real quick. Nick Sirianni, you and your journalist friends got a lot to say about how he operates, but the boys love him.
you know let's go to the super bowl real quick nick sirianni you you and your journalist friends got a lot to say about how he operates but the boys love him you know i appreciate that dan hurley's always dan hurley rap did you hear what he said though afterwards whenever he was talked about when he talked about where he is now versus where he has been the last couple years and talking about the scrutiny and everything and he said he's going to readjust refresh reset this offseason get back to coaching i think there is a chance we see a different dan early going forward but i don't think it's a bad thing that he acts differently than everybody else because he always does it he's always a psychopath rap and the boys know it and the boys love it so the sirianni sort of corollary is a good one i think because like you know look is in the in the head coaching manual is there a page for, like, trash-talking your own fans? Probably not, would be my guess. Well, well, well, no, it was because the guy wanted to run the ball.
No, I get it. But I'm saying they love him so much in the locker room that it's sort of like that's the currency, right? Like, so, like, did I love to see Danny Hurley or Dan Hurleyley as he's now become known?

Trash talking to the refs after?

Probably not, but you know that his guys are like, that's my guy.

And I think that's the real stuff, you know?

You're looking for Daniel Hurley.

That's what you would mean.

Yes.

None of this is Daniel.

I'm looking for Daniel, correct.

I wonder if he had the dragon underwear on tone.

Have we got to the bottom of that?

Was he wearing the same skivvies as he was the last two years? Maybe that's part of the problem. I'm not positive, but all I know is in the gambling world, Dan Hurley is the goat.
He covered 14 straight, has covered 14 straight tournament games. That run is still going.
Now, he won 13 straight until the close loss against the number one Florida Gators. But in the gambling world, you can always trust Dan Hurley just like his boys can.
And if he's firing, he goes, listen, basketball, that's how basketball coaches are. I have never met a basketball coach in my entire life that isn't just an absolute psychopath.
Our high school basketball coach, off the court, great guy. Nicest history teacher of all time.
Shout ron richards on the basketball court in practice absolute psychopath that's just who basketball coaches are i love it yeah they kind of have to be i think to kind of rally everybody um and you know because you need every single ounce of energy every single possession because you never know what's going to happen and i will say that's another thing about these college hoops. I did forget about how chaotic some of these moments of basketball.
I mean, we're talking air balls. We're talking throwing layups through the backboard.
We're talking about passing it out of bounds, dribbling out of bounds. We're talking about some madness still happening on the court.
But D-Bucks, my question for you is, you know, obviously we follow the NBA a little bit closer. and I don't want to give anything away.
LeBron James is going to be on the show this week. What today? Not, not, he said he didn't want to come on when your dumb ass was on.
Right. That's actually fair.
I don't like that. Yeah.
LeBron James. Yeah.
He's going to be on this week and we follow NBA We don't fall college hoops as much indeed But obviously you do with a Yukon Huskies obviously being who they are But I forgot about the style of basketball that college hoops is it is vastly different And I think that is something that I enjoy every single March Madness in I'll tell you what if you if you get cold You can quick. That St.
John's team and obviously Patino, dog.

And he was surrounded by a lot of people that were all in, you know, whenever he wanted to saw his kid coach.

But whenever you talk about what Calipari has been able to do with his Arkansas team and then St. John's get nice cold,

it's like whoever gets hot at the right time wins this whole damn thing, D. Butch.

And I think that's what's special about this March Madness every single year. That's why we love it.
That's why we all become college basketball experts around this time of year. Always in a kind of a neutral site, so nobody really has the full real home court advantage, so I love that part of it.
And like Connor was talking about earlier, usually there is an underdog story. There is a Cinderella story, a player or a team or a coach that just kind of takes the college basketball college basketball world the sports world uh by storm right now should we got all all the top seats still remaining on each and all four i'm excited to see how it ends up cooper flag him being the you know we all assume he'll leave and become the number one pick they've been dominant florida's been dominant auburn everybody's doing their thing man so i'm excited how this is kind of when i was telling connor before the show sweet 16 outside of my team, outside of UConn.
This is when I really dial in. This is really, really when the games, everybody's watching the games.
Everybody's excited, but it is a completely different sport than the NBA game. The NBA game is different.
This one is much slower. Half court, who can get stops, who can have the ball in their hands and get a finish, make a big play down the stretch.
So I'm excited about how this thing's going to finish out. It feels like every team has a dog as a guy you know and gotta have there's a there's a lot they gotta got in this guy right here i mean oh duke and listen we didn't i i thought mcwhite guy up at yukon was potentially gonna be the exciting white of college basketball okay i i did think that was gonna be the case i didn't pay close enough attention to Cooper flag.
What a fun. I mean, he read he read whatever He's supposed to be a senior.
I think he's in high school he's must be seen in high school this guy and Obviously what he's able to do and his dad the basketball player and the high school basketball story They told during the kickoff show and I got a chance to learn learn about him. I mean, he is special.
And this Duke team, I mean, they don't look like every Duke team I've seen in the past. It feels like Shire's team a little bit different than Coach K's team.
Might I say likable. I almost kind of like him.
And I know that's not an easy thing for Duke. So congrats to them being as dominant as they have been.
And how about January, February, and Azo? They're a Sweet 16 again. Way to go, Foxy.
Way to go, Foxy. Go green, buddy.
Go white. Hell yeah.
They didn't even play their best ball, especially last night. Best player on the team, Jace Richardson.
He didn't score until about three minutes left in the game. Only had six points total in the game.
They still were able to pull it off. That's how this team has been all season long.
They got nine guys that all can play, that all can score. It's been awesome.
I'm very, very happy for them to be in the Sweet 16. Oh, look, he's all choked up.
Jesus Christ. I'm fired up.
It's huge. Yeah, so go ahead.
I was going to say, did you notice he talked about, you know, Jace only scoring six points, and what was the first thing that we saw Thursday when we were watching those games together? The ball looks a little overinflated, doesn't it? Yeah, Connor was yelling about it because we bet all the overs, you know, because we want points, right? You know what I mean, right? Let's celebrate both teams. Let's have fun.
By the way, shout out to Pens Mechanical. I think Mechanical Pins, that place was awesome.
That's where you guys were having on Thursday? Yeah. Dude, rap.
Good. I saw the Instagram.
I follow you on Instagram. Look good.
Oh, it's very kind of you. Thanks for following along.
We had a good time out there. You know, some would say talk was a little bit too high.
We don't know where he got those because it's not necessarily legal in Indiana. He found some CBD that really took his ass to the moon.
But we wanted to have a good time, and we wanted to just see points, points, points, and then everything was, and it was out. Tone, I see some people have been talking about this for years, about the NCAA maybe spiking these balls to make it a double rim effect everywhere.
Yeah, there was a player who came out this year, a few players who came out this year who said they have to adjust their shot potentially because of the overinflation of the ball, and then Dalton Kinect was talking about it. This is real? Oh, yeah.
Is this on the dark web? I have not gotten that. No, it's on just the normal web.
Really? Yeah, X.com or whatever it is. I know that you should.
This is called research, Rep. This is called research, bud.
I've been researching for this moment right here the last five days. He was boozed up all weekend.
He admitted to us earlier. He did say that.
He was boozed up all weekend. It's much madness.
How can he not be? It's much madness weekend. So I stayed home.
I sat in front of my TV to research for this. Well, I wasn't home home.
I was at a different someone else's home. Very nice.
In Montana. But I watched when I took a break from skiing.
Oh, those homes. Yeah.
When I took a break from skiing and counting money, then I would watch these basketball games take place. And I appreciate you doing that for the good of the program.
For the good of the program. Yeah, I do it for you guys.
And I'm well-researched. I know all the players on some of the teams.
I watched last night. Hey, who hit the game winner for Maryland? Derrick Queen I mean Can I just That's like four steps Four of your steps Maybe Not entirely wrong I mean look Here's what I understand Maybe six understand.
If this happened in football. Maybe six.
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Sorry.

I mean, yes.

Yes.

Yes. Especially if I get real excited.

Guys, 6'10".

Yeah.

Guys, 6'10".

Yeah.

Right.

Which I'm a small bit shorter than that.

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There's no traveling in football. That's true.
But there's other stuff that we all talk about. If it's the Chiefs.
And this, if it's the Chiefs, I mean, is this not the,

and this is not the conversation today.

It's a quick Sterator hit.

It's fine.

He was, you know, maybe bobbling.

I don't know.

Was he, was he not?

Who knows?

And then everyone's like, all right, moving on.

And I don't know why football's like this, but it is so different, Pat,

the level of ref scrutiny that happens.

I mean, I've watched it 100 times, and I've counted 65 steps.

Yeah, but you could say that traveling kind of equates,

if we're doing the NFL, comparison to a hip drop tackle.

Hip drop tackle barely got called last year when they said it was going to be

a 15-yard penalty, but it didn't get called.

People still did it.

Go ahead. Sorry, Connor.
No, and traveling is just like that. Sorry.
You go ahead. No, well, what I was going to say is the refs also heard that he said, give me the motherfucking ball.
Yeah. So they said, you know what? We'll let this guy kind of have a basketball moment here.
And I don't know if we have the press conference clip afterwards of him talking about his coach he was basically yeah here it is this is a beautiful moment here and also a sign of current college ball derek um i know you were saying you were kind of do this is your first game winner ever or yeah um i would have given it to him if I had known that. Magical moment.

He also said in that press conference, he was asked why the players were asked as a whole,

why they respond to this particular coach so well.

And Derek Queen's answer was like, I'll answer this.

He goes, well, he paid us the money, first of all.

So that's kind of the reason why.

They almost said, we're working for this guy. He's the boss and i kind of appreciate that that mindset is happening you know because we're in this modern college world where nil is happening and you know trusts are paying and schools are having to pay these players and obviously it's a wild wild west with the rules and when they can pay when you can't pay yada yada yada you name it but i appreciate the fact that it seems like the way they operate is like hey we're paying you the money you work for us okay and that's how they view it derrick queen spoke for the team he was like he's the boss he's the one paying us he's a hard coach i guess he's a player's coach he talks about him more than about life it's like and derrick queen's saying why are you that confident him just saying well i'm from baltimore for the Maryland team.
I mean, it's like, that's a beautiful story.

That could be, that could be the March story.

I thought it was going to be Colorado State.

3.7 seconds of magic.

And then Derek Queen shoves it down their throat with a sick fundamental.

Obviously, Sweet 16 is going to be great.

Can't wait to continue to watch that.

Indianapolis is hosting a site.

More college basketball news.

Ty, congrats, dude. Wow.
Got our guy. Got our guy.
Hey, listen. It got released yesterday that Iowa had basically come to terms with Drake's coach, Ben McCollum.
And because I didn't want to get burned again, I kind of pumped the brakes a little bit. I was like, you know what? I'm not going pop the champagne until we actually get him and then uh pete thamel today he he announced hey iowa has agreed to terms with ben mccollum iowa city david uh native and apparently you know west virginia i thought they might have been in on it but yeah but yeah because he uh ren baker was his athletic director at northwest Missouri State, so they have ties together.
Obviously, what he's done, he was only at Drake for one year, but they have their best year ever. But, I mean, he was born in Iowa City.
He played high school basketball in Iowa. It was a dream job, you know, which is crazy because Iowa just seems to be the quote-unquote dream job for so many of these guys.
I guess. That doesn't seem to be true.
I guess. You keep hearing that.
I think that's right. No, it'll be crazy because Iowa just seems to be the quote-unquote dream job for so many of these guys.

I guess.

I guess.

You keep hearing that.

I think that's right. No, it'll be crazy because his style, Drake had the –

they allowed the least points per game per possession of any team

in the country this year.

So, like, they play good defense.

They kind of take the shot clock down to, you know, five or less,

get a good quality shot every single time. And that is not what Iowa has been for the last 15 years.
They run a bunch. They score a bunch of points.
They don't play any defense. So it'll be very interesting to see who stays, who goes, all that kind of stuff.
But yeah, I couldn't be more ecstatic that Iowa got Ben McCollum. Yeah, I'm bummed that West Virginia was supposed to get him, obviously.
He needs to cut his hair if he's going to play Big Ten basketball. Big Ten not messing around.
Neither is the SEC. Obviously, seven teams still remaining.
Greg Sankey will join us here in about 25 minutes or so to probably take a victory lap. You know, because after the first round, they got buried because the Big Ten was 10-0.
You know, the Big Ten was kind of doing their thing. SEC had losses, and then seven teams end up in the Sweet 16.
So Sankey, yeah, and he predicted that he thought it was going to be seven before the tournament was started. So we will provide him an opportunity to take a victory lap.
Go ahead, Raph. Do you know Sankey well? No.
I met him briefly when I covered the SEC, which my first question, I know we got a guest waiting, so I want to get to, but I'll just say my first question to Sankey is going to be, do you remember me and how sad are you that I left? But we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a second.
Go ahead, Pat. Yeah, okay, make it about you, Rep.
I do respect that. Now, joining us, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who knows everything about everything happening in college sports.
He hosts college game day for football and for basketball. Ladies and gentlemen, the consummate professional, Reese David.
I'm a little worried about, I'm a little worried about Ty though, because I mean, Iowa is going to play slow, slow, slow, but the guy doesn't have four national championships. He's got 42 national championships.
So, you know. Hey Reese, he's been watching Iowa football, brother.
They play slow, slow, slow. That's a great point.
Yeah, I was hoping for that slow-ass basketball to come to West Virginia, but that wasn't the only hire. Xavier beats Texas, knocks him out of the tournament.
Coach gets hired there. How often is this the kind of musical chairs for coaches? This is kind of the status quo here.
And how many more do you think we see before the end of this whole tournament race? I don't think a lot more. I think most of the musical chairs have been filled.
You were making a great point earlier about sort of acknowledging the realities of the system with the players with Derek Queen and Kevin Willard. I think the same thing happened with NC State and Will Wade.
You know, he told them straight up, the idea was to get a powerful job and maybe there would be opportunities for them, depending on how things went. And it's a very professionalized model.
I think the thing about Sean Miller going from Xavier to Texas that's interesting is thatris del conti the texas athletic director who i know you guys know loves to loves to make the big hire sean's been very successful both at arizona and in both of his stents at xavier um you know kind of tough i'm sure from their standpoint because xavier extended him a lifeline but hey look they they knew if this opportunity came up he was going to going to move on, and he did, and he'll do a great job at Texas. But I think we're close to done because most of the big – not all, obviously, but most of the big jobs are filled, and I don't know that we'll have any more pop open right now.
West Virginia is still wide-ass open, Reese, okay? Well, as I said, not many. Not many, I said.
There's obviously that one. Who do you want, Pat? I think you should.
I think West Virginia, you want to bring back, you brought back Rich Rod, right? Not a bad idea. Yeah, a little different.
I mean, 15 years, like a year and a half. I mean, there's different conversations for everybody.
Whoever's going to win, we can't wait to see them get there. I thought McCollum was coming.
Maybe that Calhoun fella. Maybe Coach Fraser, who's already on the staff.
I'm sure Wren will do it. Okay, let's move to the tournament itself as opposed to the coaches.
Did we know that it was going to be heavily favored for the favorites? And, Reese, a lot of people are saying NIL and Transfer Portal and everything like that potentially killed Cinderella stories forever. Is that real or is this an overreaction,action you think to potentially what's happening right in front of us reese i i think that that there is some truth to it but i don't believe that it's killed it forever because the guys who are having opportunities to move up uh have to be at the other level at some point and you're going to have the cinderella teams that have veteran guys that we've the past make runs.
I mean, almost saw it with Colorado State last night. I think there will still be Cinderella's.
I do think it will be maybe a bit more rare than it's been in the past, simply because, I mean, look, every team that's contending, virtually every team that's contending, and that's a high seed, they have a large number of players who have moved up. And, you know, I think that's just the reality of where we are.
I'm for it. All of us look for better opportunities in life, and I don't have any problem with the players moving up too.
But, you know, it probably does come at the expense of it will be rare to see multiple Cinderella's like make it to the Sweet 16 or more rare than it's been in the past. Go ahead, Rep.
So one of the things we were talking about kind of coming in here, Reese, is Daniel Hurley, UConn coach, you know, went a little viral. Danny! I appreciate that, Daniel.
On the way to the locker room. But, you know, look, it's a brief moment.
It's probably the most memorable one here, but he's had a lot of memorable moments as UConn's coach. Now that they are out, can you help us appreciate the run that UConn's had over the last two into three years? Thank you, Rhett.
Thank you, Rhett. Good work.
I think it's one of the great runs in modern tournament history because it is so difficult to keep a team together. Because if you have great young players, they go to the NBA.
If you have great older players, somebody bids a lot more money, you have to manage your salary cap. Then you also have to deal with complacency, which is, as we've been told many times by people familiar to all of us, is the enemy of great.
And they were able to fight that off largely because of the force of Danny's personality. And he has to have his kind of guys playing for him.
Not just anybody's going to be able to go and play at Connecticut for Dan Hurley. You've got to have a little edge to you.
You've got to have a little bit of thick skin. And all of those guys want to be coached that way.
And I was not, I think Florida's the best team in the tournament. I still do.
And I was not at all surprised that they had to fight with every ounce of their being to take that away from UConn because UConn wasn't going to hand it over for a second. As far as the aftermath, look, I mean, he is the best coach in the game in my judgment, but that's just him.
He's going to do that stuff. He's going to have these bits of peak in the moments afterward and feel like that he got hosed and all of this.
So I'm not too bothered by it. I think he got a little bothered by some stuff I said earlier this year when he's lying on the floor and screaming at the officials and stuff like that.
He'll get over it. He's a great coach.
Did he say something to you? No, he sent word that he didn't appreciate it, so it's okay. He sent a copo? He sent one of his captains? I don't think he sent word.
I think he just shared it and then it was then it was shared with me but it's okay we're good I think the world of him I enjoy talking to it I think he's I think he's a fascinating dude man and I know he's a great coach and you know he gets you know he gets mad it's okay and we all do sometimes Reese Reese you know Rappaport came in here and he didn't know he was talking to um a, a Dan Hurley friendly crowd. You know, he came in with his journalism degree.
Oh, really? I don't like the way Danny Hurley acts, you know, in this entire thing. And he is a bit much.
And then we immediately went to Sirianni who operates in his own fashion as well. If you can get the boys to buy in, who cares? How you act? That's what coaching is all about.
You bring out the best in people. Let's talk about Calipari with the job he did with this Arkansas team.
We talked to Calipari, Western Pennsylvania, Italian, Paizano. We talked to him last year when he took the Arkansas job.
They didn't even have a team. I don't even think they had a player.
I think everybody was gone. They didn't have it.
And the way Calipari tells you, he's like, we don't even have a locker room, was basically what he was saying in the entirety. Now they go 0-5 to begin the season against the SEC.
Now they're in a Sweet 16, obviously knocking off all Paisan, Patino, St. John's team who couldn't make a shot for the life of them, which he knew was a potential problem for that St.
John's team. Let's assume they get that fixed for next year.
But why don't you talk about GOAT conversations? Calipari's in it, so is Patino, I guess, so is Izzo. Where does Calipari rank in all that? And what does this year's team look like in comparison to his previous teams, Reese? I mean, they're not nearly as deep.
They're talented, but certainly not as talented as some of his great Kentucky teams. But you're looking at a team now that is two wins away from making John Calipari the first coach to take four different programs to the final four.
Four. And Pitino was, we thought Pitino might be the guy to do that because he also has taken three.
And now it's Cal with a 10 seed. You know, the death of Cinderella is suddenly John Calipari and Arkansas with a double-digit seed and the Sweet 16.
I think it's one of his best coaching jobs. And while I think he was underappreciated at the end of Kentucky, I think the fresh, if you want to use the metaphor, fresh shot clock was really good for both parties.
It was good for Kentucky and it was good for John. And he's done a fabulous job with this team, and he seemed like the old Cal yesterday.
We had him on game day yesterday morning, and he's cracking jokes and being self-effacing and talking about all the things that have gone wrong and all of this stuff. So he seems to be in his element, a little bit of an underdog, and he seems to enjoy life a little more that way.
We're hoping it stops by here tomorrow, maybe the next day to chit-chat before the Sweet 16. LeBron James also on the show this week.
I don't know if you know that, Reese. Anyways, let's stick with the March Madness Convo.
D-Bot has a question for you, Reese. Yeah, sticking with March Madness, we're talking about teams and obviously great, great coaches.
But for the casual fan out there, tune in now. Who are the most exciting players left in the tourney now? We're in the Sweet 16.
Well, everybody knows about Cooper Flagg, Jani Broome. They've been battling for player of the year all year.
And this is not going too far out on a limb because it's a one seed. But, man, Walter Clayton Jr.
at Florida is, I mean, he just looks like an NBA guy. Such a quick and pure release.

I didn't think he was playing his best offensively yesterday.

And then when Florida needed clutch shots, he made them.

I think he is as much fun to watch as anybody in the tournament.

I think he is, you know, he's just a sensational guy.

Jace Richardson at Michigan State is a guy that's really come on in his freshman year. That's terrific, I think.
And, you know, there are a number of other guys. You know, I think Alabama has a couple of young players that are fun to watch.
Everybody knows about Mark Sears, but LeBaron Phylon is, you know, one of the fastest players that you'll see in the country. And them playing BYU, and I think you guys are familiar with the Tater Tot King, Richie Saunders, and grandfather, I think, invented, developed, or whatever you do with a Tater Tot.
That's going to be, I mean, these guys are going to be both, that's going to be the most entertaining game of all. Both those teams will score in the 90s, I think, in that Sweet 16 matchup so um there are a lot of a lot of really fun players to watch out there happy birthday to jj watt heartbreaker uh for wisconsin to go down to byu but also i didn't know the mormons had tater tots in their back pocket that's crazy i did not know that that was that was a big that was a big deal go ahead con man go ahead.
Yeah, Reese, obviously the first couple rounds we're mentioning and talking about the Cinderella's being dead. Do you think that kind of continues into these Sweet 16 Elite Eight games? Do you think those top, you know, Duke, Bama, Kentucky, some of those teams, Houston, are they going to continue to just roll? Or do you think that some of these four seeds, like a Maryland, like an Arkansas and Calipari, might be able to kind of upset those big programs? I think Arkansas has got a chance because of its matchup, and I do think Alabama has a massive challenge.
They're not shooting the ball great from three, and that's not really what you want against BYU. But Florida, Auburn, Duke, I think you see all of them move on.
I think you see Michigan State move on. So I think for the most part you'll see that.
The Tennessee-Kentucky thing is interesting because, you know, Kentucky's beaten them a couple of times this year. So Tennessee's had their issues with them.
So, you know, I think for the most part I expect you'll see – I think you'll see three one seeds in the final four. And I think there's a possibility that maybe for just the second time in tournament history that, you know, you could wouldn't be surprised at all to see Duke, Houston, Florida and Auburn all make the final four.
Is this better? Sorry to interrupt, but is this like, I know we love, we love the buzzer beaters and we love the Cinderella. But like when, you know, you get to the final weekend and there's a nine seed that we don't know any of the players, it always feels like you kind of wish.
I know the players, Pat. I'm just saying people who are more laymen.
Isn't this, in the end, for the normal humans? Right, exactly. You know what I mean, though? I think that once you get here, it's always nice to have a mix.
Last year was a pretty cool mix because you had two behemoths in UConn and Purdue. You had an ultimate Cinderella story in NC State who had, you know, who had saved their coach's job, won the ACC tournament, and then made it all the way to the Final Four.
And you had Alabama breaking through for the first time. So so you had a mix last year but I also remember being there in 2008 when all of the one seeds made it and it felt huge and I think if you have all one seeds or maybe three one seeds and a you know a Tennessee or a Michigan State or whoever it might be um you know as a two you have those huge brand names that's good too so you know there's good theater either way so

the one price you pay for the massive upset early is that it often turns into sweet 16 elite eight

type blowouts you may still get blowouts there's no guarantee against it but i do think you get

bigger matchups when you have a little more chalkiness in the bracket up to this point

rap you look very athletic very cool very. That's very nice of you.
What is this weird baseball? That's actually from Ireland, brother. The slitter.
Isn't that where you are? No, I'm in Scotland, you prick. It's not the same.
You disrespectful son of a bitch. We're going to beat the piss out of you after this.
I'm just saying it's like very similar. When I was talking to – I kept kept this very quiet But I was talking to some people close to me and I mentioned that Pat is in Ireland Which I assumed was I'm in Scotland It's a different country Just like Wales is over here There's a lot of countries over here New that one including including Tyler who did this fantastic fade.
What's that? A straight edge razor? Oh, yeah. Lit that thing on fire.
No, he did. Put a little salt on it.
Lit the thing on fire right in front of me. Yeah, it was exactly like that.
A little fire, a little shock. I don't know if they put 151 Bacardi on there Sure, and a little on fire, but Tyler was a and then he comes in attacks the neck I'm like I got sensitive skin Tyler.
He's like I got you and then he goes through the entire thing It was a magical time, but this is Scotland your prick. Okay, and this is a great country good people come to Glasgow It is it was a very active active downtown very active.
It might be the nicest day in this town history Sun shining clear skies. I was the only person with sunglasses here.
I don't think they fucking sell them over here It's been a wonderful wonderful morning legitimately let's get back to some college hoops though You sound so typical journalist Ian Rappaport. We need the big names in there reese let's go to you we're gonna have sankey joining us here in a moment sec sbn this is exactly what you and seth greenberg wanted isn't it what you guys wanted reese davis you know the funny thing is is boy we we got a little blowback from the picks made immediately on bracketology with all the ones in two seats and all the sec teams and then when the sec teams lost which is bound to happen there were 14 of them in there people saying see they stink and now they've got seven of the sweet 16 and if they don't have three in the final four then everybody will say oh they stay stink they were overrated um it was the best conference I've seen.
And, you know, whether someone says, well, the conference play wore out a team or they peaked too soon or whether someone says, you know, got them ready for the rigors of the tournament, all depends on whether they win games or not. You know, Ole Miss after its win yesterday, well, we had all these battles in conference play that got us ready.
You know, there had been some concern about Auburn, whether they had peaked too soon because of the level they had played at. So a lot of this sort of is revisionist history based on your outcome.
But it was the best conference. Doesn't mean the other teams can't beat them.
Doesn't mean that the other conferences weren't good. But it was historically great in conference play this year, and they're reaping the benefits of it now.
old miss making it is just so funny to think about because you know we were obviously a part of the conversation here very late that the sec is very good seth greenberg sec sbn host alongside you he came in it was just like the sec the sec then sankey comes on and think he's like what do you want we committed fully to basketball we knew it was a down thing we have gymnastics we have baseball we have softball we have football our men's basketball we have women's basketball our men's basketball was kind of down so we invested in men's basketball and they kind of go about you know doing the entirety then you watch the old miss team it's like they got chris beard as their coach like coaching matters in this tournament and then all of a, the Ole Miss team, which is way down, I think, in the SEC pecking order at this moment. I don't know about what it's going to be in the future.
They got Beard coaching down there. It's like, that dude creates dogs.
That's literally what his team is. So you watch it all kind of fall into place.
It's like, it makes sense that they are as dominant as they are. I can't wait for the Sankey victory lap here while they can still do it.
Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Yeah, Reese, speaking of Seth, we had him on last week, and he kind of said how in years past or starting a couple years ago, he said, hey, the ACC and the Big East should form some sort of super conference for basketball.
Now, obviously, football kind of muddies that up a little bit, but ACC used to be the king of college basketball and now duke is the only team in the sweet 16 i can't imagine they're very happy about that is there a chance that this kind of gets brought back to the table and they do kind of explore this a little bit more after how dismal of a performance the acc had in the tournament this year i i think it was a wake-up call, Ty, as if they didn't have it already. I

don't know that it will lead to any type of merger, maybe some type of scheduling arrangement to boost their resumes come Selection Sunday. But I think you've already seen a lot of the ACC teams respond to this.
A year after going to the Final Four, NC State makes a coaching change. Virginia has hired Ryan Odom now.

North Carolina is changing the way it operates in terms of general manager. I think they were a little bit, if not a lot, slow on the draw about the way things, you guys were talking about it earlier, Derek Queen saying they paid us the money.
I think North Carolina was still of the mindset of, well, Michael Jordan and Jerry Stackhouse played here. You know, you should just come play here.
And, you know, they weren't as competitive as they needed to be in some situations in terms of acquiring talent. I think that's about to change.
Duke obviously has been on the cutting edge of this and leading the way. So I think you're going to see a bit of a resurgence from the ACC.
Scheduling games against Big East would be great just because it would be entertainment and good content, but I don't think it's necessary for their survival. Reese, I love that I knew there was no way you were going to be on board with an ACC Big East.
You know, I knew that. It's like that ain't, uh, we don't need to be rearranging everything just for one particular year to be kind of changed.
But it is fast. If you're thinking, I mean, Duke UConn at MSG, that would be, I mean, granted, that's just one week of the year.
Let alone everything. Now scheduling, I'm all for scheduling arrangement, more Duke and more UConn put me down for that which is a strange thing to Yukon fans Really as a whole they can't stand Duke and I don't understand that because if anyone historically He but has had Duke's number in big spots They always win, you know, and yet for some reason they hold this they hold this contempt for Duke that I don't quite I don't know.
Do you got to defend yourself? No, we are the bluest of bloods when it comes to programs. So why would we be jealous? You look at the last however many years.
I know. Five.
You always beat them. Yeah.
I'm not of that part of the group who has this jealousy or this hatred for Duke. Don't really care that much about them.
It's all about UConn, baby. You women's've been dominant so why would we be you know dukes i mean if we want to talk about who if we want to talk about who's been more dominant as of late how come de vries wanted to get out of west virginia and go to indiana at least last two years west virginia's go ahead go ahead yeah i i't know.
I don't know the answer personally.

I mean, unless I just had a thing about, you know, Indiana, historically, one of the great programs is sort of, I mean, West Virginia has been great, too. I'm not disputing that.
Thank you. You know, just, you know, the championships and Bob Knight and the Hoosiers movie and sort of in the DNA of the culture.
Would you argue, Pat, that West Virginia is more of a football culture? Most of America is a football culture, but more of a football culture than a basketball one, even with Jerry West and the greats that have been there? Definitely, you know, coal mining. You know, that's a football place.
But the history of basketball is obviously very serious you talk about the logo for the nba coming through there now with that being said chignetti down in indiana you know don't get it twisted you know paisan came in and brought a football thing i think that's why indiana is in such a good spot with that being said as somebody who married into an indiana family i understand why devries went to indiana okay hated that west West Virginia is still currently coachless but I very much understand I got respect for right now Tony has a question for you and I think it's probably gonna be about the gambling and those of us who cheer for the little guy and bet on the underdog kind of a bummer these last few days go ahead yeah Pat knows me super well it is gonna be about the gambling. I was kind of thinking about this.
When we had the college football playoff, there was 12 teams in there, but we were like, not all 12 of these teams can win the national championship. Not going to say, hey, we knew SMU probably wasn't going to win the national championship, Indiana, whatever.
But now that we are here with 16 left in the basketball tournament, is there a chance can all 16 can all 16, since there was no super, like, upsets, and there is not the true Cinderella in this, is there a chance that any of these 16 could actually win the national championship? I don't, I would be surprised. I think there are still, I think there are still levels to five or six.
I would say the one that, I think Florida's the best team. I think Duke is right there with them.
I think Auburn is not far behind. Houston can win it.
And then after that, after those four, I think some things would have to fall right. It has to fall right for Tennessee, Alabama, Michigan State.
I think it would have to fall right. And beyond that, I would be surprised.
I don't think I've left anybody out. So I think it's really four, and then a couple of others that have a shot at it.
So seven wouldn't stun me. Anything beyond those seven teams would be very surprising to me.
Reese, you keep talking about Florida being the team you think is best. The public generally seems to be on Duke.
Why do you think, what does Florida have that Duke doesn't have? They're a little bit older, although Duke does have some veterans. And I think Seth Braynberg has put it very well.
Florida has two of everything. And they're gargantuan.
And I think, Cooper Flagg great but so too is walter clayton jr and i think florida's got just a ton of size they can play with great pace they've got they've got guys off the bench who can produce um and the shot that you're showing right now is just a fantastic shot and clayton just made some time and time again got final four experience with elijah martin who went to the final four uh with fau a couple years ago i look it's not by a wide margin i'm not saying duke can't beat them they certainly can but you know if i have to rank them in order i'm putting florida at the top of the list uh i love watching that florida team they were humming early. They were running fast.
It was

going now. Obviously, UConn was able to get back into it and it became a great game.
The offensive

rebounding that they did at the very end obviously seals it for him. But a lot of fun teams to watch.

When are you guys back on TV? It was fun watching you this weekend. Saturday morning, 11 a.m.

Eastern time slows down a little bit and we'll have a big show around the final four.

I like Jay Billis in his bedroom looking in a sport coat and a suit to be professional. I like

I'm not sure. slows down a little bit, and then we'll have a big show around the final four.
I like Jay Billis in his bedroom looking in a sport coat and a suit to be professional. I like that.
I like Pete Thamel checking in with some breaking news. Hopefully, he'll tell us that a great coach is going to West Virginia.
We appreciate the hell out of you, Reese. Likewise, guys.
Have a good one. Enjoy Scotland.
Thank you. That's the country, Ian, you piece of trash.
Ladies and hey uh rap before we uh have the sec commissioner join us here in a matter of moments why don't you tell us about what's going on with aaron rogers did anybody know he was traveling out to pittsburgh on friday and that was just a meet and greet what was it from your end of the source spectrum and uh what do you think got accomplished here and what do you think we're looking at here going forward? God, I love these photoshops. That is, he looks...
That's not a photoshop. Yeah, it looks so old.
Whoa. What? He's healthy, fit.
He's 42. Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Look at those biceps, man. Random number.
You look at vascularity. Yeah.
That is a gray beard right there. Just for men seems like a great product.
Anyway, never dye your beard. For those that are listening, we know you're dyeing your beard.
Don't do it. Don't dye it.
Bob Sala. You name it.
We can go through a lot of names of people that dye their beard, and we just want to let them know we know. Like, I'm 37 and I got a lot of gray and white in my beard.
You can't dye it turns purple we can see we know what's happening just do it anyways back to you rap i'll tell you what not a lot of dyed beards on this set right here uh you're right we would never do that rap that's what we were just saying everyone's i respect it um so as far as who you'll die your beard don't hold on let's kick them out so these these get super white. So, you know, just a little touch of gray.
Throw a little just for me touch of gray in there. Wait.
I haven't been able to tell. You got me.
It's not going to pass the goal either. That's touch of gray football, brother.
What the hell? It's a good product. I did not know that.
Never mind. Go ahead, Brad.
Anyways, on the Aaron Rodgers stuff. Jeez.
You know what this is? You found it. You know what this is? This is called reporting.
This is literally reporting. This is journalism, right? Journalism.
Great cowboy. Thank you.
Thank you. I would say this.
On the Rodgers. The silver cowboy.
Sorry. That's fine.
It's true. It was amazing to me.
And, you know, we've sort of talked about this before. The close circle that Aaron Rodgers has, not a lot of people knew about this visit.
People very close to him did not know about this visit, which, you know, look, this leaked or not leaked. I hate that word.
It broke from a reporter who's covered the Steelers for a very long time and is very tied in there only once he was in the building. Right.
So, like, for a lot of us, I think us, I think we sort of thought a visit would be coming.

But just to be frank, I was also like, I saw the news and was like,

okay, I guess it's today.

I didn't know either. And so I think there were a lot of people real close to him

that were sort of a little bit in the dark, which I think he likes.

Now, as far as the visit, and we'll get into this a little more when Greg Sankey's not waiting for us, and you'll let me know when to shut up so he can get on. But it sounded like it went really well.
And that doesn't make sense. It sounded like it went really well.
I think they both probably wanted to get to know each other. You know, the way Jerry Dulac has been reporting on the Steelers for a very long time, I assume as soon as he walks in a building, somebody sees him that Jerry knows and tips him off

and Jerry reports it and then everybody else

kind of follows suit. With that being said,

I think it was both sides wanted to get

to know. You know, the Michigan Pro Day was allegedly happening

on this particular Friday. They opted

not to go to the Michigan Pro Day to meet with

Aaron. Ownership, obviously

the con artist Omar Khan, Mike

Tomlin, probably numerous others around the

building. I don't know if this was necessarily just

him trying to get a feel out for what the Pittsburgh Steelers

would be like, but also the Pittsburgh Steelers may be getting a

Thank you. the con artist Omar Khan, Mike Tomlin, probably numerous others around the building.
I don't know if this was necessarily just him trying to get a feel out for what the Pittsburgh Steelers would be like, but also the Pittsburgh Steelers may be getting a feel out for Aaron Rodgers. Will this thing work? Maybe, you know, I, I'm, I'm pretty excited, but you saying that it was good.
The reporting, uh, the message that I got afterwards was a positive message as well for my source. Now, obviously no agreement happens during that day.
And is Aaron still contemplating whether or not he was going to continue to play? New York Giants allegedly still very much in on this, right, Rap? Is that accurate, even though they signed Jameis Winston? Yeah, I don't think. I mean, the Jameis Winston thing is sort of like we need a backup quarterback, right? So that, to me, makes sense.
You know, these things, contracts speaks.

Right. So Jameis Winston gets four million a year.

That is backup quarterback money.

Right. That is, to me, the best way to tell.

It's like, look at the contract. That will tell you everything.

I would say Giants are still in it.

Now, you know, as far as I can tell, there's not been a visit to the Giants.

But I know there's been communication there. So I've it seems to me that he knows what he needs to know right like visit the Steelers again really positive from both sides I think they came away with it being like all right like this this could work and look when when Rogers talks football like really when he talks everything it's kind of compelling and fascinating from ios to whatever uh especially in this show is 500 page report before anybody else just just uh just everything he says yeah people listen to i just on the record i'd like to let that be known maybe too much too much i'd say too much i'd say but with that being said incredibly deep thinker like i think people just kind of shoo him off at the prima donna and everything like that at that he's a hippie deep thinker wants to make sure everything's the right decision especially because to your point he is older this last decision he's probably gonna make yeah in football let's pivot away from Aaron Rogers we'll talk more about that what Ian has joining us now ladies and gentlemen is the commissioner of the southeastern conference who currently has seven teams in the men's Sweet 16.

Ladies and gentlemen, Greg Sankey.

Yeah, Commish!

Coach, Commish, we know you have something here in a few minutes,

so we appreciate you taking the time.

After the first round, you guys were getting killed.

You know, you guys lost a few games.

And then now you have almost half of the teams left in the Sweet 16.

How was the emotional rollercoaster for you over the last couple days? And how do you feel about your conference and their performance thus far? I'll start at the end. It's always nice to break records.
So we've done that on the men's side. I think we probably have a chance today.
On the women's side, I know in particular, you guys are cheering for Oklahoma over Iowa in women's basketball. Shut up! I want to get that gate.
Yeah. There's like an irrational anxiety.
If you were like next to me during these games, there's nothing I can contribute, right? And you're watching the highs and the lows. I pounded my fist on the table a couple of times over the four days of the tournament.
But good news is we had a pretty good Saturday, Sunday. Went 7-1.
Go ahead, Rep. I was actually going to get right to that.
No, look, I want to – I was going to open the floor to a victory lap, but you seem to have already taken that. When you're watching, as you should, by the way, I'm an SEC guy.
I cover Mississippi State now. Way to go, Greg.
Yeah, you're a big SEC guy. Hey, I got a cowbell in my NFL Network studio, all right? We're all in.
Which I'm sure Commissioner knew. I was wondering, how do you watch? Can you take us into, like, are you full-throated for every team? And then you move on.
No, not in a weird way, Pat. Not in a weird way.
Describe to us what it's like for you watching the NCAA tournament, knowing what you've said, knowing what a lot of people think of the SEC. What's it like? I'll show you an example.
Here's a visual example. When I'm at games, I have a little card and I have the time, the timeout, and the teams.

You know, college basketball in particular is a game of streaks, like scoring streaks, defensive streaks.

And so my nervous energy is the outlet as I track the games as they go based on the timeouts.

I was sitting next to Steve McClain, senior associate AD, works in communication to Florida yesterday

because I attended games in Lexington and Raleigh over the weekends.

Thank you. I was sitting next to Steve McClain, senior associate AD, works in communication to Florida yesterday because I attended games in Lexington and Raleigh over the weekends.

He probably has a bruise on his upper thigh because I punched him.

When things went well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Punched him harder when things went poorly.

You're sitting at a table where decorum is important.

You guys know this from a media perspective. You're in the media you can't hear and uh so i try to manage my emotions under the table how's that for an explanation but i track the games i'm interested in what happens and you know fouls that happened the end of the yukon florida game i went you know through both sides of my little note card onto another note card because there were so many reviews and timeouts and moments well Dan Hurley has something to say to you I assume and uh hopefully he'll get a no not to me everybody else not to me I'm like the good guy definitely to you uh D-Bot we'll have the last question for you here in about a second but But my question for you is, if you guys don't win the national championship now, bust.
This was all a big fail. The SEC stinks at basketball.
Is that how we should view it and talk about it? Yeah, people write that. No, not at all.
I think we've achieved things that aren't there. No, I want to be on that trophy stand.
But every one of these games is unique. You guys are competitors.
You understand that, right? The ball bounces a different way, bounces off the rim. Funny.
You know, yesterday it fell our way. You want to keep the momentum going.
And having 7 of 16, I like our chances. But at this point in the tournament, every one of these teams is a great team.
So it'll be fun to watch games be played. That's reality.
You put it at risk. If there's nothing at risk competitively, like why would people be interested? The fact that it's competitive and close, that's what's cool.
Yeah, there's been a lot of great games. Go ahead, D-Bot, last question here.
Yeah, speaking of, you know, obviously the commissioner of the SEC, probably one of the top three most powerful men in sports. Something that kind of took over my timeline, I don't know the rest of the boys here what's like your morning routine you know getting ready for for your days whether it's a tournament college football playoffs or whatever it is um usually i'm up at 5 30 go for a run uh eat breakfast at home pretty pretty boring drink my coffee in the office usually before eight we had a had a power outage because of a storm so i couldn't get my uh garage door to open a little bit of a technical what happens hold on are you like moving it from the bottom thing or how i was i was texting staff for a rock actually i was texting a little bit of design flaw we have to work on there i don't know if this is good TV or not But that's what happened So usually I get up and run And read a little bit Today I was trying to figure out how to get inside my garage So I could drive to work Hey, Commish, why don't you stick your face Into some sparkling water with ice in it tomorrow And good luck the rest of the way We appreciate the hell out of you stopping by Cheers Cheers.
Cheers to you, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, the commissioner of the SEC.
Great thank you. Yay! Hey, so that guy's a former football player, right? Old buddy? Yeah.
Alcorn State. Yeah, Tom was watching his film this morning.
Yeah, good huddle tape. Good huddle tape out there.
He can move, dude. This guy can move.
You know, like, I saw a lethal shooter once again hit a gummy bear into a bottle yesterday And then I watch this guy run and it's like some of these fitness influencers a little bit different than the others Some of these trick shot people a little bit different than the others This guy sticking his face in sparkling water at 4 a.m. Certainly something but I got massive respect for this man massive respect for this man That seems terrible.
What do you mean? There it is. 545.
I'll tell you this. I did a little cold plunging in Montana.
People don't know that. It was awful.
We'll be back after this. Pat, don't go anywhere.
Don't go anywhere. We're coming back.
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Welcome back to the Thunderdome. I am

looking at you over there because that's

where this camera is and there's other cameras

but I have found this one. I am

Ian Rappaport.

Madness!

See, I paused for dramatic effect,

Pat. I am in for Pat McAfee today.
Pat is in Luxembourg with the WWE. Jesus.
WWE. It is on...
Hey, some Scottish fella is going to run into you one day and smack you right in the mouth for disrespecting this country. Scotland.
I'm in Glasgow, Scotland. Okay? I okay i'm in glasgow it's former ship building town okay then you started working on the docks then they started getting a little financing in tech okay yeah you need to show a little bit of respect a lot of history here while also evolving into the modern day active glasgow this morning shout out to cafe sono okay my guy fahey and his mom from turkey making a wonderful scottish breakfast this morning.
Shout out to Cafe Sono. Okay, my guy Fahy and his mom from Turkey making a wonderful Scottish breakfast this morning.
It's been a fantastic day. As something pops up on my screen there, you are something.
Okay, great. Yeah, it's great.
Monday Night Raw here tonight, live, 4 p.m. Eastern on Netflix.
And you're disgusting, Rappaport, the way you talk about this country. It's a beautiful place.
I mean mean I'd love to go there and play golf one help this got a psychopath Drew McIntyre smacks the taste out of your mouth he's actually quite rap disgusting everything you're doing is disgusting but we appreciate you travel in Indianapolis. Way to do that.
Thanks. I had the middle seat on the way here.

It was tough.

Comfort plus. Yeah, but we appreciate you traveling to Indianapolis.
Way to do that. Thanks.
I had the middle seat on the way here. It was tough.
Comfort Plus. Yeah, but for you, that's like a king, right? You know, like a king-sized ride? Because I get too short as to kind of shimmy.
It is, I must say, I was in Comfort Plus, and I didn't need it. I had enough.
I was almost too much leg room. That's surprising.
Interestingly enough.

You sleep off lights?

Work?

No.

So I did this.

I was watching the Netflix golf,

you know,

golf full swing,

which was amazing.

But usually what I'll do is

I'll put my playlist on,

put my AirPods in,

and go to sleep,

but only to my music,

which is very weird,

but that's how I roll.

So full like coma pose.

Do you put the eyes? Do you put eye covers on and the neck pillow? No. Not only do I not do that, I am anti-neck pillow.
My wife has five of them because she always loses them and then has to buy a new one at the airport. So I think they're dumb and don't work and also weirdly shaped.
So I hate them and I'm out on neck pillows i would like to let everybody know um that the plane i was on had like 100 up 100 down why really never experienced anything like this before got a facetime from pyreese halliburton while i was flying up over canada and uh i'm sitting there and this facetime comes through and i answer it. 4K, the greatest connection I've ever had.
Shout out to Starlink. I know there's everybody mad about things.
I think if Starlink infiltrated people's lives a little bit more, they'd be like, hey, thanks for that happening. Wild.
I was watching the games last night on my phone while I was flying in this place. I mean, no, no.
Now this was a commercial flight, I assume.

Delta?

No, no.

JetBlue?

They do have TVs on JetBlue. I know that.

That's true.

Not one of those?

No. No, it was Big Bird.

Have to get back. LeBron James!

He was going to be on the show this week. Had to get back.

Have to do that type of thing. Obviously, we want to save the world.
I thought we were all trying to do that, but nonetheless, the Talks' Table is here at Boston Corner. I should make good to see your boys.
Good to see you. Bon, man, you just got absolutely brutalized in the shins, huh, gambling this weekend? Is this the worst weekend you've had of gambling in some time? Yeah, it's probably the worst weekend ever, and I saw some people say, oh yeah, by far.
I mean, when you're betting every single underdog money line, there's a chance you're going to get kicked in the teeth. But typically it is kind of a record like this where it's, you know, not 13 and 44, but you know, you're losing about 30 times, but one of those wins is going to be a plus 800, a plus 650.
I think the biggest one was Arkansas against St. John's,

and even that wasn't massive like we saw last year with an Oakland

or one of those FAU runs that Reese Davis kind of just mentioned there.

But that's okay because some of these underdogs in the next round now

are going to be fantastic teams.

We already looked at those matchups.

I'm assuming Kentucky is going to be a dog.

That'll be fun to bet on.

Ole Miss, BYU. I mean, the BYU team I feel like was is going to be a dog.
That'll be fun to bet on. Ole Miss, BYU.

I mean, the BYU team

I feel like was one of the most entertaining teams.

The BYU-Wisconsin game,

they were lighting it up from all

over the court. Both teams really were.

So I'm still looking forward to the next

couple rounds. I still have hope

in the underdogs, but yeah, as far as

success goes, I saw

limited to none all weekend. It was pretty brutal.
It's alright. It was great sports for all of us.
At Darius J. Butler is here, obviously a nine-year NFL vet.
Daniel Jeremiah joining us in about 15 minutes to continue to dive in the draft and everything that he's here. And one half of the hammer, Don, Cowboys, Silver Fox, AP Tone also here talking about everything going on around the NFL.
Let's do some NFL stories because we have rap sheet here. And obviously you have different takes than us.
We chatted about the James Winston deal to the New York Giants. You said that backup money.
It's easy to see the contract. We talked about Aaron Rodgers, obviously going over to Pittsburgh.
We haven't discussed Ryan Tannehill potentially being the veteran backup for J.J. McCarthy,

or how are the Vikings kind of viewing this situation?

Because what kind of seemingly got leaked over the weeks from free agency to Aaron Rodgers,

a prima donna diva, needs to make a decision, to we're sick of this guy, to wait a minute,

maybe the Vikings are trying to figure out what they want to do with the quarterback,

and Aaron is kind of weighing all options.

Where do we stand with the Minnesota Vikings? I think Tom Pellicero was the first one to report that this is JJ McCarthy's job. Is that where we are? And is Ryan Tannehill a guy that they're going to bring in to sit behind him? What do you think, Rap? Okay, we'll start with the JJ McCarthy part.
Hey, Schultz, by the way, don't fight him. Don't fight him.
Yeah, careful. He almost spit in my coffee this morning.
Rap, she was pissed. Yeah, I saw Rap clench his fist when he saw you drinking that Starbucks.
I mean, this non-labeled coffee from the lovely Marriott that I stayed, they do a great job, whatever this coffee is. It's delicious.
Not as good as my Americano I got over here in Scotland from our friends at Starbase. It is so hard to find good coffee in Europe.
Anyway. What's your strategy? Are you going to take him down by the knees when you fight him? Shoot? I was a high school wrestler.
People don't know this. I got to be 500 my senior year, so I was terrible.
And then I was average by the end. So I could be scrappy.
But just to be quick. See, I have a problem with this.

Oh, no, wait.

Oh, there you go.

You fixed it.

All right, great.

I was going to say I have a problem with the graphic, but you got the stories broke.

Unlimited is really, that's a good one.

The weight's probably a little low.

No, there's going to be no public fight.

I don't really fight.

I'm more of like, hey, can you-

Security!

No, no. See, I had a problem with that, too.
I had a problem with like, hey, can you... Security! No, no.

See, I had a problem with that, too.

I had a problem with that, too, because that's not real.

You might not know this.

People will believe anything they see on the internet.

Oh, really?

I knew it was bullshit.

I knew it was bullshit.

See?

You're talking about half-truths always happening?

D-Butt knew it was...

Yeah, they didn't sound like you.

They tried this and that.

D-Butt wasn't there.

What are we talking about?

No, but I knew that's not a rap sheet football. Yep.
You guys doubted. I think Debut is...
My man's got me. Potentially just...
I think Debut may be lying. Is it there for a little bit? We all thought maybe you did call security.
And then, you know, once you told us that you didn't, you had to tell your boss about it because it was obviously in a public place, a lot of people. Then your boss obviously reports that that makes a lot more sense.
But I but i am appreciative of you being like hey we need to get the word out there that i did not call mama and data and the reason why that'll happen is not because of me and we try to do that for you unlimited stories broke unlimited amount of cash available for schultz nonetheless vikings they're in on tannahill potentially to be the backup quarterback or how do you see this going i would say uh palissero's right it is JJ McCarthy's team going forward he's going to be the guy in OTAs he's going to get the reps and it did sound like in training camp last year they thought he was excellent now obviously the knee injury kind of pulls him back a little bit but the the you know he did the full meniscus repair generally that means full recovery and no issues going forward he He's got a lot of time health-wise. I think he's going to be good.
The Tannehill conversations, which I didn't get the sense were much – it's not like conversations being like, all right, we'll offer you $20 million, and he's like, I want $25. That's not the conversation.
If there was any conversation, it was more like, all right, might you theoretically be available if we need you? Because Ryan Tannehill sat out all last year, right? I think would probably come back for the opportunity to start for an awesome team and maybe make some decent bridge quarterback money, maybe 10 or 15, something like that. But I don't think it's like, I don't get the sense anything's imminent.
And I think they hope that they don't need him because the hope is your future is now roll with JJ McCarthy who's really talented and just move forward from there. Okay.
So they were going to be in on Daniel Jones until the Colts said, you know what, we're actually going to get Daniel Jones. And then once Daniel Jones is off the market, cause he was already in their building last year, they say, okay, we're going to roll full force with JJ McCarthy.
Do you think that's how that went? or do you think there was real conversation about what the hell happens in the quarterback room over there well i would say they were in on daniel jones till that morning like they were they were in they made an offer it was i think similar or maybe it might have been a small bit more trying to remember i can't remember the actual the exact numbers free agency was like a blur plus twitter went out it was all mess um no a nightmare it was nightmare but they made you know they offered him real money i think similar to what the cults offered him um so they were they were definitely in on it but even if daniel jones had signed with the vikings i got the sense it was more they were going to let them battle anyway right because like let's say they signed daniel jones to a 15 million dollar contract and then jj mccarthy is clearly the better quarterback in camp players know all the you know players in the locker room know who the starter is so if it was jj then he was going to start so like that's what i think it would have been anyway and that's why i think daniel jones did a great job pat of being like the colts is a better spot because I could start there and then just roll forward.

On that note, D-Bud had a little bit of a take about, like, you know, Daniel Jones all

of a sudden became the belle of the ball, right?

Wasn't that kind of a combo there, D-Bud?

Yeah, you know, once he, you know, wasn't starting and seeing him a lot on prime time,

wasn't, you know, necessarily stinking it up or blowing people away.

Once you kind of go away, kind of like our coaches.

Coaches kind of go away for that year and then they become the belle of the ball. I'm sure Mike McCarthy will probably experience that this offseason just like Sean Payton and other guys have.
So, it's interesting now that some people are excited about him being in Indianapolis, potentially either push Anthony Richardson or to actually get in the starting job. I feel like, hey, he comes here, he pushes him, get a competition, but you want to see this bring the best out of Anthony Richardson and hopefully that's what it does for, I'm sure a lot of Colts fans probably feel the same way.
Well, and Steichen too. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Well, like KOC gets a bunch of credit for being a QB whisperer and he absolutely is. But Steichen has had success with other quarterbacks like it happened with Gardner Minshew where Gardner Minshew came in, Pro Bowl, and then he gets a deal with Las Vegas.
Granted, Vegas went how it went, but it's not as if coming to Indianapolis is a huge step down as far as play caller goes, because we all know Stiken is one of those top guys at, maybe not culture, but at being a play caller on offense. Yeah, well, the culture is going to get turned around.
Okay, I've heard. They're working hard.
Okay. Are they? You talking about Colts? Yeah, Colts just had to mature a little bit.
They became professionals. They're all working hard.
Just off the RIT, but we're optimistic. Very optimistic.
What is March 24th? Very, very optimistic things change. I do love The people that Chris Ballard has bought in the building and pay big money cam by them I love him heard great things.
Heard great things about him off the field. Ward, same thing with him.
And then it's been rumors. I don't know how true this is.
Trey Henderson, are we getting him or what? Are we reuniting him in Lou or what? Good question. I'm sure there's interest.
It seems to me. So here's sort of the Bengals stance.
I mean, obviously we saw they paid the two stud receivers, right? They paid Jamar and Higgins. Got a nice contract, Jamar.
I mean, great contract. Higgins, really nice, really nice deal as well.
The Bengals do not like letting good players leave the building. Even if it's for like a huge draft pick, they don't like it.
They like to develop, draft, develop, sign their own guys. And I think they get annoyed that people think that they don't sign their guys.
So Hendrickson is awesome. He deserves a lot of money.
I think his next contract is going to be above 30. Is it going to beat, you know, Max Crosby? I don't know, but it's going to be above 30.
And I think the Bengals are working. Not I think.
I know the Bengals are working on it. And I know they would like to keep him in the building.
They would like to pay him, and I think they would like people to stop saying, why don't the Bengals pay their guys? Because they do. And I think getting Hendrickson done at a money and a value that makes sense for both sides will be a great way for the Bengals to be like, see? Like, see? Yeah.
You know? Yeah rap the interesting thing about that is in the bangles social media dunked on me and many others oh yeah it was none of us yeah it was great i thoroughly enjoy that type of shit now there's a lot of people uh that were in that video were like okay we'll see how this works out you know they have to like defend their entire stance for me i love like want to, if you would like to Vince Carter, you know, take off and dunk on me for something I say, I am 100% cool with that. I like that.
I think that's good social. I think that's good digital.
But I don't think any of us thought they were going to be able to get T and Jamar done. They do.
Over $100 million for both of them. Now, the way the contract is being set up for T Higgins, I think there's a lot more question marks on how the deal is as a whole versus what was originally reported by journalists like you and many others.
But if they were able to get Tee, Jamar, and Trey Hendrickson all signed in one offseason, that would be very much opposite of what the Bengals are, but also a great way to prove that you'll spend money on your people. And then what do they do with the rest of the roster? It'll be fascinating.
They better draft. I mean, look, you spend a lot of money on these guys, Pat.
It's awesome. It's what everybody wants.
You have to draft well when you're paying top dollar. Have to.
Eagles were able to do this. Eagles were able to pay a lot of people.
Now, granted, not as much, but at the time with where the salary cap was, when they paid the people, Eagles and Hallie and everybody over there were able to do it because they drafted very, very well. It's like, Bengals now got to do it.
And I love that they're at that era of this team. They have an indoor practice facility.
They sold sponsorship to their stadium. They have a franchise quarterback.
They're paying players. Let's go, Bengals.
Let's go, Bengals. Let's go.
I love everything about it. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt.
Yeah, Rapi, speaking of the draft, we've gotten a lot of people's takes on this, but I don't know if we've necessarily gotten yours yet. The closer we get to the draft, it seems like Cam Ward is kind of like the surefire number one pick now with the Titans.
At this point, are we thinking that him and Shador Sanders are both going to go in the top three, top five, and where does that leave a guy like Jackson Dart? Are we going to potentially see three quarterbacks maybe go in the top 15 or so? Because that's starting to pick up heat. Okay, so I'll start with the last thing first.
I think the way it's looking to me now, I would say my guess, and we'll get Daniel Jeremiah's take in a second, but my guess is we get three in the top 15. Three in the top in the top 15, because quarterbacks.
Very different statements there. No, no, sorry.
Three in the top 15 is my guess. The biggest, where Shador Sanders goes is the biggest draft question mark that I could remember in a very, very long time.
And I know that coach prime, who we love my former colleague, great dude, done an job at Colorado, has talked about the haters. I don't know that it's haters, but people have a lot of questions because he is for sure talented.
He has put two programs on his actual back and led them back to national prominence. Like what he did at Colorado is awesome.
What he did at Jackson State is unbelievable. I mean, he is a rock star, but he's, you know, it's not a slam dunk number one overall selection like I think a lot of people think Cam Ward is.
So, like, could Shador Sanders go two to Cleveland? Possible. Three to the Giants? Possible.
Could I see him going past the top ten and be the biggest question mark of the draft with every single team on the clock being like, are they going to take Shador? I could see that too. It is absolutely fascinating.
And a month out now, I have absolutely no idea. I don't know.
Yeah, I think you talk about Shador transforming two schools and two universities. That's very real.
It has to be talked about. It's not just him, obviously.
There's a lot that goes with it, but what him and Travis Hunter were able to do, Travis Hunter, certified top five pick, right? He's going to be the first non-quarterback off the board? Or is it Abdul Carter? I would say it's a toss-up. Abdul Carter maybe has a little bit of a better chance now just because...
Because the Browns? Because if the Browns don't trap have abdul carter and miles garrett i i would say that position like past rusher here once if you get elite guys they're calling him a blue chip elite type of guy usually those guys go first but we haven't you know necessarily seen anything like travis hunter i don't anticipate him playing full-time on both sides of the football but we haven't seen anything like travis hunter and abdul carter if you have if you can get an elite pass rush at the top of the draft, usually those guys are next valuable right after the quarterback. It's a great graphic right here, by the way.
I did not see this one before we go live. Is this Bowne? Is this a Bowne production? Dirty.
Dirty. Great work, Dirty.
That's a great graphic. It abdul carter looks super cool you know he looks super cool it's the front of that zeke the zeke elliott jersey pull-up is really what sells it right there and he's a dog too you know we learned about the shoulder and then the foot and everything that's kind of been happening he just shows up and wants to play ball so you would understand why the browns might want to team him up but like the browns need a young quarterback don't they they? They do, but the Browns are in conversations with Russell Wilson, right? And obviously he visited them, and so it seems now he's got mostly Browns and Giants, and obviously everyone's waiting for Aaron Rodgers, so that's sort of up in the air.
But it's interesting because if they sign Russell Wilson, first of all, I don't get the sense it's going to be a huge contract if he signs there. Second of all, everyone's going to say, well, obviously the Browns aren't taking a quarterback.
And I would say I'm not so sure about that because I could actually see them doing all of them, just all of them. Like if Russell Wilson signs a Cleveland, it's not going to be for a lot of money, then take them out of anything.
You're going to take the best available player at two, no matter what, if that's a quarterback or otherwise. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a mock drafter, a man who actually had a top five, top three trade predicted a couple of years back that made us believe that this guy might know everything about everything when it comes to the draft.
He and Rich Eisenhower's the Combine Move the Sticks. Dan O'Darimani.
What's up, buddy? What's going on, boys? Ian, I was watching Ian's face when you said that about the trade. I just wanted to see his reaction to that because, look, there was a lot of information got pulled in to make that prediction.
But, you know, and right should give uh i should give pelicero some credit there

so my bad my bad okay this is the biggest nonsense i'm sorry hold on i didn't know this was okay quick story time so me and pelicero are driving tom is our vp of restaurant reservation so we always will go to dinner at good places when we're together uh for draft week which we will be this year. Classic Arrow.

Shredding.

So we're

talking about We'll go to dinner at Good Places when we're together for draft week, which we will be this year. Classic Arrow.
Shredding. So DJ comes on speakerphone.
He's talking through a mock draft with us. And it comes up in conversation.
Now, I think I said it. Pellicero claims he said it.
DJ believes that he said it. Anything could have happened.
That maybe the Texans want both, meaning Will Anderson and Stroud. And so maybe they trade up.
Now, he mocks it, puts himself way out on the limb. And so even though I broke the trade of the Texans trading up to three, he's the one that gets the flowers on set.
And so obviously I'm not jealous no i'm happy this is me being happy for him anyway well the funny thing is pat pat as you know unfortunately there's this thing called the the record of the pat mcafee show where i went on and gave the full explanation of why i was doing that and talked about how i wanted to get at least one one of the the picks right. I feel like they're taking one of these two players.
So if I make the trade, at least I get credit for having one of the two be correct. And that's actually on record on the Pat McAfee show, if you care to go back and look at it.
That's all right. Do some research, Rap.
Go back and look it up. Nonetheless, however it came to be, in our eyes, you predicted it accurately.
Now now did you use your source says to get to that that's good mock drafting so let's talk about what your sources are saying now number two overall obviously we were just chatting about it we think that is like a linchpin potentially for the rest of the draft does another quarterback go there or does that cause chaos for people to trade up to get another quarterback maybe jackson dart if they think they're going going to be in there? From what you're leaning at right now, and obviously 3.0 went out last week. We're waiting on 4.0.
You have Abdul Carter going. Him and Miles Garrett being teamed up would be absolutely absurd in Cleveland.
How sure are you of that, or are you just trying to sit in Andrew Barry's shoes? And what do you think is going to be the next shake, maybe from the information that you've received in your mock draft yeah I wouldn't say sure I mean the thing that feels sure right now in this thing is that Cam Ward feels very very likely to go number one and then I think all bets are off I I would say this about the Browns they're going to take a quarterback I feel confident about this they're going to take a quarterback with one of their first two picks so is is that a situation where they take Shadour Sanders right there at two? If they were to take Abdul Carter at two, I think 100%, I would keep an eye on the Browns as a team that could be trading back into one to maybe get into the Jackson Dart sweepstakes. So that's where I kind of see everything with them.
And then that leaves the Giants. If Shadour gets to the Giants, and if the Giants decide, you know, that they're not going to take Shadour, then what Ian was talking about, I think that really comes into play.
It's like, okay, now it becomes a little bit trickier trying to find where that landing spot is. So I think Shadour will know after the first three picks what kind of night it's going to be because if he doesn't go in the first three, I don't think the Jets do it um and the jets you know bringing in justin fields is still young i think they want to see what they have there uh you know i thought the saints you could make a case there but the way they're kind of trying to piece everything together and bring everybody back um you know with the derrick carr situation i don't know that i feel great about that being a landing spot so for shadour all eyes are on first three picks.
And if somehow he doesn't go to one of those three teams, then it becomes pretty interesting. Before the boys have some questions, DJ, are you going to be at the draft in Green Bay? Yes, I will be there.
I will be there in Green Bay for that entire week. So we'll pop on with you during the week.
Rapshi, will you be there? Oh, I will be there. I'm excited.
They haven't told Ian yet, Pat, so let's not get ahead of ourselves. Stop it.
I got my reservation. Pat, are you...
We're not going to see you there, Pat? Yeah, well, you know, the more and more I think about it, you know, maybe we can shake their hands. Maybe we do go shake their hands.
You know'm trying to mature i'm in scotland now you know i i am uh i'm well voyaged maybe we try because it's going to be an electric factory over there that place is amazing i can't wait to see and also who our guest host potentially would be would be a good thing to be over there and it's uh it's awesome what the nfl has done with the draft so maybe we you know maybe we go shake their hands and make it happen uh it hasn't happened this is me potentially thinking about it you know and uh obviously the way this will get aggregated uh in the conversations uh and the half truths that will get pushed out there welcome to my world somebody, like, you guys are acting ridiculous. And I feel like I've done that now with that being said, don't need to be that guy all the time, but it seems like I am.
And, uh, I'm almost done with it, especially after eating a cafe, Sona this morning with Fahey and his mom, I realized that there's a lot more important things about life than always having to take a stand. So maybe it's maturity.
Maybe it's my daughter. Maybe it's the wife.
Maybe it's Cafe Sono this morning. Nonetheless, hoping to get out there.
That place is a beautiful city. Hey, Pete, Tony has a question for you, DJ.
Yeah, DJ, I'm fascinated by the conversation you guys were just having. So if Stasiger doesn't go at three, could he go at 21 to the Steelers? And I know you had Jackson Dart mocked to 21 at the Steelers.
Do you have him mocked there because you actually think he's a first-round quarterback or you think that he could potentially go in the first round? Because a lot of Steelers fans are saying no way to Jackson Dart at 21 strictly because they just have PTSD from Kenny Pickett going at 20. Yeah, I understand that.
I get that from the Steelers fans' standpoint. My thing was pretty simple on that.
I have him, you know, right on that borderline of being a first round graded player. And in a draft where there's a lot of parody and the high side is not as good as some of the other drafts we've seen.
I think it's easier to justify that. And then more importantly, you know, I think Jackson Dart, based off where they are now, we'll see what Aaron does.
but as of right now i think jackson dart would have a good chance of winning that job um so to me he's a better option than what you have on on the squad right now so that's why that one uh made some sense to me but i i'm curious you know when ian said he thought three in the top 15 um i'm just i'd love to get ian's take on that one because to me if jackson dart going in the top 15, is that New Orleans or are you talking about maybe a team coming in from back half of the first round coming up? Yeah. First of all, here's what I learned last year.
We can go through it right now and see who the quarterback teams are going to be. I say the Raiders at six are a team if they slide back.
I don't think it's going to be at six, but I think if they slide back, they could be a team. The Saints potentially, if they slide back as well, and I think they would like picks.
I would say Colts probably not. Falcons, no.
Seahawks, could they actually trade up? I mean, obviously they have Darnold, but it's a great a great contract for him but they can get out of it after one year I would say that would be another one the Steelers potentially as well and then you have some teams sort of in the back I mean how long is Matthew Stafford going to play for the Rams could they come up they could F them picks and they come up as well so everybody gets overdrafted at this time last year I knew for a fact that Bo Nix was going to be a second-round quarterback. I would have – I told everybody.
We knew it for a fact. And he went 12 and then showed that he probably should have gone earlier.
Like, everyone gets overdrafted and no one knows anything. So that's sort of my argument.
Panics as well. Panics as well.
Panics is a great example, too. I would have said second-rounder, and I could have told you all the reasons.
And then he gets in there. First of all, he gets picked in the top ten.
Second of all, he gets in there and has an absolute cannon and looks great. I mean, that's my heart.
Is Kirk Cousins going to back up down there, Rep? I think he is until somebody trades for him. Until he isn't? Is that where you're going? Holy shit.
Breaking news. Aggregate that.
Aggregate that. That was really good.
Here's what I could see. Look at me, DJ.
You know how. I'll ask you this in a sec.
But there's not a ton of surefire, absolute day one starting quarterbacks in this draft. So if someone doesn't get one who maybe thought they were going to get one, all of a sudden cousins becomes a very interesting trade possibility down the line.
DJ, I want to ask you though, today is cam wards. He's going to throw it's Miami's pro day.
It's a little later today. You talked about him as sort of the overwhelming favorite to be the first overall pick.
What do you need to see today from cam ward i mean first of all i'm in i'm uh at the network right now that's why you see that fancy uh oh you're in the green room oh wow whoa hey tell some of those middle hey tell us some of those mid-level execs that there's a chance i'm going to extend the olive branch there's a chance okay i will go up great work

great work setting all that up and everything tell them we appreciate them tell them they're great at what they are tell them they do i'm gonna tell them you're gonna need some of those rice cakes to make their way to green bay and then try and seal this deal get pat uh back in the mix rice cakes i'm currently on keto no rice cakes thank you i'll take some okay okay okay Yeah, we'll get you like a beef stick.

We'll be good.

So... no rice cakes thank you i'll take some okay okay okay i got some more or something yeah yeah we'll get you like a beef stick we'll be good um so to me at the protein we're covering grab the meat sticks sorry go ahead uh so for the pro day today with cam ward i mean i i really it's one of those pro days where it's like a proof of life pro day just just show up show that you're healthy hold up a current newspaper uh i mean i don't really need to see anything like the arm strength is excellent he can make every type of throw you see every type of throw on on video the the things that got him in trouble uh were being a little too over aggressive and trying to force some things uh you know cross body throws kind of some recklessness at times like that was the knock.
Well, the pro day, you're not going to see anything from that standpoint. There's no defense.
So to me, this is set up for him to shine, but I don't know that he necessarily has a lot at stake either because you can see all the good stuff in his tape. Yeah, I think your conversation about him being able to throw that ball right there is absolutely absurd his leadership is there i'm excited that we have a clear favorite a quarterback i'm excited to watch him kind of take the you stinky into the nfl especially in a city like nashville that needs something bad go ahead d butt yeah dj we've been talking about kind of more i know he just mentioned a couple times moving in the draft and this and this is the first year, however many years, that all the teams have come in with their own first-round pick.
So this is kind of a two-part question. How much movement do you expect on draft day, and who are the deepest, what are the deepest position groups in this draft in your position? Obviously, we don't think it's quarterback this year, but who are those position groups that are deep? Yeah, I would say, first of all, the first part of the question, like the movement thing is going to be hard because normally the movement positions are quarterbacks and pass rushers.
Well, we don't have a ton of quarterbacks. So if we do see movement, I think it would be at the top of the draft.
And then from pass rusher wise leads to the second part of the question. It's the defensive line is the deepest position in the draft.
There's a million of these guys. And it's edge rushers as well as D tackles.
It's just a stacked loaded group where we're going to see, you know, the first round is going to be heavily dominated by defensive linemen, and that's going to carry on in the second round as well. So, you know, that's, you know, that's kind of where we are with that.
I just don't know we're going to see a ton of movement because of that. So coming in with their picks, it could be kind of a stick-and-pick draft for the most part.
That's at least where we are right now at this point in time in the process. Unless maybe you're a team that has an offensive tackle need and you feel like that's a little bit of a shallow pool, maybe you'd move up a few spots.
I don't know. I'm not anticipating a ton of movement at this point in time.
Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, DJ, at the start of the draft process, Tett McMillan was like a top five pick.
And then as we get closer to the draft here, it seems like the receivers just in general, their stock has gone way down, maybe outside of Golden running how he did at the combine. Is there a chance that we only get maybe one or two receivers in the first round, or do you think when McMillan goes, whenever that is, I think you have him mocked at 22, that the dam will kind of break and we'll get a run of kind of all these guys who are potentially fringe first-round receivers? Yeah, I think we're going to get more than two.
Matthew Golden's going to go in the first round. I think when it's all said and done, Abuka will end up going in the first round.
McMillan's going to go in the first round. Grades are a little bit all over the map on him.
I never had him up there throughout the process as a top five guy. He was kind of in that, I think maybe 13 to 15 range for me for most of the process.
So that's kind of where I've had him. And you talk to teams in the league, some are lower than that.
Some are a little bit higher than that. I have not talked to anybody that had him as a top 10 guy, you know, throughout the process.
So sometimes that can kind of, you know, get out there on the media side of things, but it doesn't necessarily always carry over to the team side of things. But I think those three guys go, and I think we'll get another one in there.
It wouldn't be surprised if Luther Burden ended up getting in the first round out of Missouri. Iowa State's got two really, really talented receivers that there's some buzz and some heat on them.
So we'll see what happens there. But there's enough options and enough candidates that I think we're going to get three, four, somewhere in that range.
Do the teams that need to rebuild through the draft, like we just talked about the Bengals, they're going to have to have a great draft, obviously, at a lot of different positions because at one point, maybe F these picks. And Rap, what did you mean by that when you said that earlier? F, what did you mean by that when you said that? F these picks.
So a lot of times F is sort of used in place of a word that I can't say on TV.

I mean, I could say it.

Whoa, whoa, you better be specific.

It means...

Yeah, but...

Say it.

Hey, man, Connor, what F word are you talking about?

Screw these pics would be another way to say it.

Kids might be watching.

My kids might be watching.

They're not.

They're in school, but they could theoretically be watching.

Yeah, I understand.

But I just...

Whenever you say F word, like, you make my head say say it so just know that you're saying it okay without saying you're like you're like my google translate like i say it and you're in your head goes hold on he means i got it i got it exactly but these teams that need to transform allegedly there's just a lot of depth in this particular draft. There's going to be people looking for more picks

that need that. Is that what you're thinking, DJ, in this

entirety? I think in talking

to teams that I've talked to, there's an interesting

conversation about in trades trying

to get picks in next year's draft.

Even going out into the future.

F these picks. F this draft class

is what they're saying.

There's some thought to that.

Let's try and get resources. There's some teams that are already loaded up with comp picks next year because of what they lost in free agency.
And now if you trade down a little bit, you could be in a pretty good situation with next year's draft. So if we do see movement, I'll go back to the question that DeeBud asked because if we do see movement, I don't think you're going to have to pay sticker prices on movement.

Ian, that's the way I would phrase that.

If you are going to see movement, I don't know that the prices are going to be super high to move around. So it's interesting.
First of all, I would agree because it doesn't seem like there's that high, high-end guy who's kind of floating out. I mean, we'll see.
But you mentioned the teams looking to get future picks. the Philadelphia Eagles have done as good a job as maybe anyone in a very long time of exploiting

teams desperate for picks this year to move up and they collect future picks like nobody else so that to them organizationally from jeffrey lor all the way down has been like this is how we get value we acquire picks next year because people you go ah that's second rounder i'm not going to worry about him next year. Eagles have exploited that.
They have collected those and used it to absolutely load up. And so, like, I think you're right.
I think we're going to see the teams that, like, Eagles, Ravens, like teams that are perennially good collect picks for future to be like, we'll take them because you need this guy and we don't. Yeah, Bradley Cooper knows what he's doing over there somehow they just after he gave the motivational speech to go win the super bowl um he they it's unbelievable what they've been able to do with that roster transformation with how much money they paid everybody and then they still pay saquon top of the class three years in advance it's like if ph Philadelphia's able to continue to win, that'll be absolutely bananas.
Connor has the last question for you here, DJ. We appreciate you.
Yeah, DJ, obviously the Patriots don't need a quarterback because Drake Mays is a future Hall of Famer. But in this scenario where Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter go, you know, one or two and three back-to-back and then, you know, Shador being that other pick, obviously the Patriots aren't going there.
Elliott Wolfe actually came out and mentioned, hey, we're in a spot now because of free agency where we don't have to take biggest need. We can take best available with Hunter and Abdul gone.
Is the next best available like Ashton Jinty? Is there a world where that's who New England goes with? Because you have Will Campbell have Will Campbell going 10 and he wouldn't be considered next best available. Yeah, I would say, I would say it.
If you don't, if you don't get Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter, I would add a little line to the end of best available. I would say best available player that can help your quarterback.
So it looked, I would be looking on the offensive side of the ball and Ashton Jenty. I have him as the I think, the number three player in the draft.
So if you just go on pure best available player, it'd be Gentry. And if you're obviously looking on the offensive side of the ball, he would be the guy there from the offensive side of the ball standpoint.
So I just feel like that's got to help. Unless you can get Abdul Carter, like somehow Abdul Carter gets there, I get it.
But, man, if you draft Travis Hunter, he'd play him at receiver. He helps Drake May.
This first pick after a defensive heavy free agency, it just feels like, man, this has got to be a pick that's going to help Drake May. I'm sorry to interrupt.
You think that Travis Hunter at four to the Patriots playing receiver makes sense value-wise? That's pretty interesting. I would.
I think he's dynamic. I think he'd be their most dynamic weapon on offense,

and I think they would have a lot of fun watching those two guys,

quarterback and receiver, kind of grow up together.

Yeah, I would be excited about that if I were a Patriot fan

and somehow Travis Hunter would be there,

and I would be interested when they say Travis Hunter.

The Patriots select from Colorado Travis Hunter.

I would be listening, though, to say say is it wide receiver football is it corner is it combo like how are you going to write that on the card because the team does get to decide how that's going to be announced oh i i would i would be curious that to me that would be wide receiver slash corner not the other way around if you're the patriots dog he had the he had the dog on his chest you're right could be dog could be ath could be wr slash cb i mean hey hey pat go ahead pat real quick um you guys brought ian into the studio do you have to pay for security for him or how does that work nah he's so little he just kind of like squeaks by you know that is uh people are looking for him they just can't you know find him and that's a yeah that's a gift and a curse stay out of the coffee shops bingo 22 a or b he's able to fly in he can get comfortable and at starbucks whenever the owner's kid walks in you know he's able to kind of weasel on out of there like like action genti he's like the action genti of insiders just kind of make you miss bounce off get out of there yeah and george schultz is joe walt that's what it looked like in that photo that's what it looked like in that photo hey dj we appreciate the hell out of you buddy all right see boys thanks dude how was the big 12, dude. How was the Big 12 Pro Day? How was the Big 12 Pro Day? Oh, it was fantastic.
We had a great time. Yeah.
I thought you besmirched it a little bit at the end of our interview, but it was fun. We had a good time.
I don't love that West Virginia doesn't have their own Pro Day. Okay.
I know. I gathered that.
I gathered that. I don't love that.
Once again, we need to get back to having our own Pro Day, but I like that the Big 12 comes together and does their thing. Just like we appreciate the hell out of NFL Network's finest.
Joining us, ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah. Yay! You mean finest, except obviously.
Rich Eisen. Rich does a great job.
Wait, is it still NFL Network? It is still NFL Network. Yeah, tell us what us what you're hearing brother because this has been rumored for like two years now hasn't it it's kind of been a rumor it's kind of like uh at one point allegedly there was a deal done where disney espn was going to purchase nfl platforms and then nfl plus was added into play a little bit might be able to get a little bit more on the digital side maybe the

uh uh direct to consumer line with nfl plus what are you hearing about nfl media because this has literally been like two years of talks and then another report hits the internet last week what are you hearing yeah i was my attention was slightly divided last week so i didn't get to fully listen to the the podcast which i'm definitely going to subscribe to it if when I can figure out how to do it.

Here's my problem is I am such a gossip that no one tells me anything because they think I'll just tell everyone. Sure.
Um, which is actually generally true. Um, so I don't have, I don't have great Intel.
What, what is that? I'm a huge follower of CordCut news.com or whatever um if this if this is what our people think is best for everyone i will fully support it i have literally no idea if it's going to happen i'm sure it would be great if it did but i'm kind of like you like until like if it happens if it's real then i think that's if that's what they want i'm good with it but i have no idea there's just so many rumors about it you know because it would be a huge price I mean that would be a hefty number especially to take over the NFL's media and then if you were to take over NFL Network and I understand the way NFL Network operates more so now than maybe ever before in the past and certainly interesting but it is the best league or best network that a league has, the NFL Network.

And I think you're a massive piece of that, Rap. You should be incredibly proud of the work that you've done over there and Rich and Mooch and everybody, you know, and Kurt.
And, you know, I don't want to go through a list of people that I've appreciated their time on NFL Network. But the NFL Network is definitely the league's best network whenever it comes to all the leagues.
But this has been rumored for years now. And allegedly there was a deal done,

and then it went back to a group of people on both sides,

and then that was kind of thrown away.

And then there's been, I mean, it's a lot.

It's all a lot, you know,

but as long as we're able to see the game that we love

and the league that we love in more ways,

I think we'll all be very appreciative for it.

But are you guys operating as if you are for sale over there at NFL Network? is that kind of day-to-day like anybody could be the new owners um i am operating as if i only focus on what i have to do um so i have no idea do your job it is not to like speak for yeah i mean literally like do my job but not to speak for everyone but i would say like the only way to go to do this and it's interesting because it's a little bit like a player um whose sort of like name is in trade talks it's like either you can become obsessed by it and it'll just eat you up which doesn't feel like it's the case with the people i work with or just kind of do the absolute best you can roll with it and if it happens we'll all adjust but like i feel like psyche and mindset are pretty good, really good okay good happy to hear that it's good it's you know the nfl having a deal with espn more so than just monday night football and then obviously what we do day to day uh and everybody does day to day coverage of the nfl would be cool and obviously the people at espn would want to continue to grow sport and grow league. So I'd be excited to see what would be next.
Uh, a con man, college sports happening this weekend, not just college basketball. There was some magic.
There was a magic in some college sports, brother. I look down here and I see one glorious lad, one Canadian glorious man in Robert Rude.
What happened in college ball this weekend? Yeah. the glorious Bobby Rude has a boy, Pat, and let me tell you about this boy.
He scored a game winner, Nick Rude, for the Michigan Wolverines against the number one team in the country, the Maryland Terrapins. Third overtime, cuts down the slot, little goal, basically making Michigan's season.
I believe this put them back into the top 25 of men's college lacrosse. But if we're talking college lacrosse, especially on the men's side, I'd be remiss if I did not say that the Fairfield Stags, yes, those Fairfield Stags in Connecticut are the only remaining unbeaten team.
They're 9-0. They are absolutely rolling right now.
A couple different sites have them ranked in between 12 and 15 because I saw them at 12. I'm going to say yes, they are the 12th team in the country right now.
Men's College of Cross kind of taking over here, boys. Once March Madness ends, we had Matt Madness, which also was Electrics, but once that ends, it is kind of College college cross season, so look out for Fairfield men's legs.
But yeah, Nick Rood kind of stole the show this weekend, beating the Maryland Terps, Pat. Shout out to Nick Rood.
I got to meet him a few weeks back at a Monday Night Raw, and obviously I'm a massive fan of his father. He wasn't necessarily thrilled about the entire Canada Pat McAfee situation that was brewing because he is obviously a proud Canadian but I'm happy for Roode and the Michigan Wolverines.
Notre Dame still got a good squad in lacrosse I assume? Yeah they're still playing they're still playing well. Chris Cavanaugh still one of the best players in the country I would look for them to be around in the end as well.
Okay let's continue with college athletics you mentioned it there Matt Madness and obviously every single year that we've got a chance to watch them at Madness, we thought to ourselves, damn, they need to move this before March Madness, leading in to March Madness, because it is electrifying. The arena's roof gets blown off multiple times, showcasing the best of the best.
A man who's no stranger to the national championship for the NCAA, former national champion, former Olympic gold medalist, former WWE superstar and gentlemen joining us now Gable Steveson. Yeah Gable! How you doing? Hey I'm great thank you so much for joining us and uh obviously I've gotten a chance to get to know you over the years and with what happened this weekend I didn't know if you would be open to joining us or not open to joining us then I watched you next to Hendrickson whenever he was up on the podium and you like kind of gave him a pat on the back is there a sense of relief that the season's over is there a sense of disappointment because obviously the way it went they're talking about it being the biggest upset in the history and the reason why it's the biggest upset is because of how damn great you have been as a Minnesota go go for the wrestler where's your headspace at and what are your thoughts on everything that kind of transpired this past weekend man um you know i'm not happy with the results that happened this past weekend but you know it's a blessing to go out there in front of the crowd and from the biggest stage and and you know since since leaving in 2022 i've always wanted to go out there and give one that's good push for the university of minnesota and so's what I try to do.
I try to make things things as big as possible And I love I love the show I love going out there and feeling the jitters having your heart race and having a great opponent across for you and and it's when winner loss um The the road doesn't end for me and I keep going forward Okay, so what is next for you gable? Obviously I saw some haters, you know, anytime you're a superstar and you're dominant, like you have been in the modern world, there's going to be people that are haters. This guy couldn't even make an NFL team.
This guy, he didn't even play football. He can't make an NFL team in his first try.
Okay. Uh, and then you, you have all this success and you still choose the hard road and you make it all the way back to the national championship, which is why I respect you Your work ethic is awesome.
You're an absolute dog. Nothing you've done has been easy What is next for you? Have you thought about that or or kind of where are you at right now? Whenever you look at tomorrow as opposed to what yesterday was Oh, man The Sun always comes up the next day, you know, that's a that's a saying that everyone's always talked about But what's next for me is I I i've been boxing i've been putting on the gloves doing jujitsu classes trying to get ready for an mma career or right after right after um i stepped off the mat saturday night just a couple calls from a few new teams at in the nfl and um um just the roads keep opening and i'm just so happy that i can go out there and and put on my best performance win or lose like i said i'm always a showman i go out there and and i i turn the crowd up i show love and and and if a guy gets his hand raised across from me it's respect as always and so um the the doors are still opening and i'm i'm just so happy where i am today and where the future is going to take me i like the way you operate man you've been kind to everybody uh that i've seen you interact with and the way you were gracious in that situation Especially with the way that the reaction was like oh my god Gable steveson has been toppled like the way Daniel Cormier I don't know if you watch it back and if you ever will like the reaction was stunned by everybody And the way you handled it when you could have gone the other way Nothing short of fucking awesome brother.
You need to know that and can't wait to see what you do next rap sheet has a question for you gable uh gable you mentioned the your time in the nfl you mentioned some teams called by the way first of all if you sign please make sure i get the scoop just just being real it's hit me up i'll send you my number anyway you know you you had some experience with the billsills. You have seen wrestlers really thrive, especially in the offensive line.
Stephen Neal with the Patriots and Zach Frazier with the Steelers is a dog. What is it about wrestling that translates so well to, I guess, all positions, but specifically the offensive linemen? Just the offensive line and defensive line, too.
You go out there and it's a one on one battle with the guy in front of you. And just growing up wrestling, you look at a guy across from you and it's just like, you go out there and you want to kill.
And so that's just what it's about. It's the trenches.
It's going to be hard. It's going to be desperation to get to the quarterback or it's desperation to not let the D-line get to the quarterback.
So whatever position I can get in that, I'll be grateful. I'll be thankful.
And when I was in Buffalo, I put my best shoes on.

A lot of people don't know that was my first time ever playing football and first time I put on cleats.

Vaughn Miller and the guys had to put on.

Vaughn Miller had to help me put on my pads and strap them because I had no clue how to put them on the first day of camp.

So I appreciate Vaughn Miller for that.

No, yeah, but you weren't able to make it. You weren't able to make it.
Yeah, the guy didn't even know how to strap on fucking pads. Me and my strength coach, Scott, we got this saying, man.
A lot of people say a lot of things, but they're just talking to talk. But we're out there walking the walk and doing the best we can in our life and everybody else's life too, just to make sure everybody can see a great show for me and see the next path that I take.

I love that.

That's a great quote.

And obviously that's going to continue for the rest of your life.

You've become a superstar at a very young age.

D-Bud has a question for you, Gable.

Yeah, talking about what's next, you talked about MMA.

Do you already have a trainer?

Do you already have a regimen in mind going into that next step?

That's a completely different avenue.

You've done it before.

But what pieces have you already put in place? just just making sure i can get my hands uh certified and ready just making sure that i can see punches coming and make sure um that i'm comfortable in the cage and comfortable with guys in front of me that are going to be throwing these huge haymakers and and getting it getting in and getting out the way so i mean i got a great mentor right now i hope a lot of people people know a guy named John Jones, just a fantastic dude and the greatest part of all time. He's pretty damn good.
He's pretty damn good. So, man, I appreciate his efforts of trying to lead me into the right direction and kind of taking my back and kind of giving me the direction I need.
And, you know, I'm really young and he's been there and he's done that before. So I'm really appreciative of how he's kind of walked my steps leading into this next chapter, if that's what it is.
Okay, so amateur wrestling, obviously, they tried to kill it a few years back. I think whenever it wasn't an Olympic sport anymore, the entire wrestling community came out and said, that's not real.
And then we watch Madness every single year. It is electrifying.
We think the sport is obviously very healthy, but whenever it goes from amateur wrestling, the professional step next is either WWE, which you had obviously been around a few different times, or you get into mixed martial arts and UFC. Have you already talked to Dana? Have you already had those conversations? And how long have you been preparing potentially for a life in the cage after wrestling knowing that that is one very viable professional outlet for good amateur wrestlers um that's i think that's the best outlet for amateur wrestlers overall and i think um i've not spoken to dana personally that's one meeting that i would love to have face to face you know um i've been waiting a long time to see him.
I know after the 2021 Olympics, he reached out to me and wanted me to

come see him in Vegas and everything else. And so

that's one meeting that I would love to have and

love to see. So if I

can get in front of his face and really pitch

who I am and pitch who he can see

and who I will be, I think that'll be the greatest

thing. See you tomorrow.

Perfect out on you, Gable. Maybe you get into

TV. You saw the countdown right there.
We are

still live on YouTube. Great work out of you.
Good time you get into TV You saw the countdown right there we are still live On YouTube Great work out of you good time Perfect time I've been doing a block a little time I can see I've been a superstar been a superstar a long time We're on ESPN plus YouTube Disney plus And TikTok live still talking to Gable Stevenson obviously would be pumped To watch you in the ring the jujitsu is the thing Right and that kind of the thing like because those motherfuckers can break both your arms at the same time and that kind of the legs they break your legs and kneecaps your elbows and arms and all that so hey just just try to jump out the way if you can but yeah it's gonna be tough but yo i've always you you know me you know me for a long time i've always been out for the battle what uh what uh um if it was good or if it was bad, if people doubted,

they're always going to doubt.

But I've been here before, and this is nothing new.

That's awesome.

Gable, Connor has a question for you, brother.

Yeah, Gable, as far as environments go,

how was it yesterday?

Obviously, the president was there, but then you're still looking around.

There's a lot of history made.

I believe one of the Penn State wrestlers

became a five-time national champion as well. What was the environment like in that place all day yesterday? Crazy.
Philly showed up for Matt Madness. Carter Staracci, a five-time national champion.
Probably going to go down as the greatest NCAA wrestler of all time. I get to go out there in front of Trump, in front of Elon Musk, and everybody else and go out there and showcase a great matchup.
And that's what we want. And that's what wrestling needs.
Wrestling needs to grow. Wrestling needs that spotlight for guys like myself, Wyatt Hendrickson, Carter Starachi, and so many other guys to go out there and put on good performances.
And like I said before, win or lose, I've always been that showman. And I've always wanted to show the crowd who I am and leave that lasting legacy of who is Gable to the casual viewer that is watching on espn that has never heard of me before I wasn't paying attention close enough whenever they're doing the commentary because the moment was so gigantic Had you wrestled hendrickson before did you guys know each other very well? And well, yeah, I wrestled him one time there you were Hey when he shoots and get your leg, you know, you're fucked there Like when do you like legitimately take me into your mind a little bit nah you i mean i've i'm a great counter score wrestler and so when he got to my

legs um you can kind of get a sense that you might be fucked but you're not fucked fully

so got it yeah yeah yeah yeah so like so you know you're in between of halfway of like gosh am i

am i gonna get fucked or am i about to so i mean you get the sense of like okay it's about to happen

um and so i get taken down with 20 seconds left i'm looking at the clock like um gosh i gotta get up but you know in wrestling if if you've been around wrestling and you know starting in the parterre position and getting taken but getting taken down and having to build up from the stomach is a lot harder because guys can hang on you don't have to start in the regular position so man i'm getting full weight on top of me i'm trying to build up and and it was just it just wasn't my time and i'm cool with that and there's nothing wrong with not having your time and not having your day because i feel that out of all the other times that i probably could have pulled it off but that day it just wasn't my day and it happens yeah anytime you're going into a gladiator like sport you're exposing yourself obviously in front of millions hundreds of thousands of people watching in and every once in a while you're gonna get caught you've only lost three match i mean your records are absurd that's why when i was reading the shit on the internet of people like celebrating your loss i'm like let's not forget here the reason why this is such a big thing is because of how damn dominant you have been tell me about hendrickson though though, a little bit. Obviously you have massive respect for him, and you have to have respect for every one of your opponents, but tell me about him as a wrestler, because if I go back to the Olympic gold medal, you wrestled a big dude, too, right? A dude that was bigger than you, I'm thinking.
You ended up getting a win? Yeah, I got about 6'4". Tell me about Hendrickson a little bigger than you.
Go ahead. Keep going.
I was going to say, it felt like the same situation there. He was a little bigger.
It looked like he was a little bit bigger than you, maybe. Yeah, he was just a little bigger, but you know, it's a gladiator sport.
You want to go out there and fight, you want to go out there and battle. And that day was not my day to win a battle.
And there's nothing, always at the end of the day, I think people were going to get a reaction and were waiting for a reaction for me to act in a negative way towards the crowd and towards Hendrickson and bring out a different side of me. me but we go toe-to-toe we put it on the line and and a lot of people are going to say a lot of things about hey he lost but what i've done for wrestling i think is is unimaginable i've i've done out there and won olympic golds in the last second i've won two dan hodge trophies at heavyweight which no one else has ever done two national titles three time in the finals five time all american um my resume stands for itself and and i could probably keep going on it but um a quick search can help that out so i mean um like we talked about it wasn't today and it happens it's a gladiator sport and i'm a warrior well gabe that's why i wanted to kind of follow up and ask because i'm kind of you know your comeback which has been one of the cooler stories in college wrestling that we've seen, you lost at the end, but you don't sound like you lost.
I'm wondering at the end of all this, considering where you came from, what you've been through, the different things, coming back to the top and the brink, do you consider it a success or are you like, it would have been a success because like, how do you view this entire climb in the way it ended up man i that's a great question um i woke up today you know it's crazy oh yeah it's crazy like like i think we i think for for a long time now i've been i've been like damn like i get to wake up i get to like i have a home i have a house like I get to eat like good food. I get to see the world.

I get to go places that nobody may ever see. And and I think a lot of people were expecting just a really bad reaction from me.

And but but at the end of the day, like I've done so many great things. I've met so many great people.

I've been in so many great places and that I'll never take that for granted.

And that's why that was the main reason why I wanted to come back to University of Minnesota after leaving in 2022 was I wanted these kids to see that you can be

something special whether you win or lose you can change the sport you can be a guy that people

want to look at and take pictures with and and hang out with after the duels and after the matches

so it it's not the end of the world for me like I said the sun the sun is shining right now I'm

happy to see that the skin is glowing I'm smiling the teeth look good and I'm ready to be here

Thank you for taking the time and thank you for doing raw to wrestling what you did man. You're the best No, I appreciate you Pat.
Thank you everyone else. I appreciate it.
Oh, yeah Hey, appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Gable Steepson.
Yay, Gable. So cool.
Friend of the program, Gable. Friend of the program, Gable Steepson.
He, um, that was so fascinating to watch, and obviously, that's a reaction that you're going to get, especially when you have that much success, and you're that notable, and you're that known, especially in that heart of a sport. Like, that's my big takeaway.
He goes, after his resume, he's already made. He's already created.
He's already rich. He's got NIL deals.
Everything's already been talked about. Then he goes back and chooses to go back and day-to-day of wrestling is miserable.
It is miserable. It is so hard.
They're showing clips of him just running laps in the wrestling mats in Minnesota. that guy's already a millionaire.
He's already successful. He's running around with these college kids still just going all the way back in because he still had eligibility.
I got massive respect for his work ethic, and I believe Hendrickson will be joining us at some point this week as well to talk about his win over Gable, but Matt Madness is electrifying. You find yourself watching, and there hasn't been as many because I think it's good the underdogs haven't Really continue to go there hasn't been as many just like blowouts, you know There's been a lot of games that like you kind of are sticking around there's some games obviously over early You can tell but whenever there's bad game.
We were able to hop over to Matt madness last couple years. It's fucking Electrifying they need to move that move that to the lead up to March Madness.
Have you ever been, I was just thinking for me, I have three sporting events that I've never been to that I would die to go to. Masters, obviously one.
College World Series in Omaha, two. When I covered Mississippi State and Alabama, they never went, which is annoying.
Matt Madness to me is up there because it seems unbelievable in the building and like I have like my oldest son Max did wrestle and we've talked about going like that. I think that event would be live in person would be absolutely insane.
Yeah, I agree. There's also that cheese chase that happens over here in Europe.
We'd like to see you be a part of it. The one where you roll down the hill is that one i've seen the netflix on that it's yeah count me out what country is it in um i you're switzerland i hear switzerland yeah sure germany is it you're a scumbag dude they're not all the same i've been to some of those places by the way you bag of boats i'm sure you have they didn't want you there they were happy you left.
Especially if you ever come here to Scotland. I don't think they're going to treat you too kindly.
With that being said, I have to get a role and do my thing. Rappaport, if you could please wrap up this show in an epic fashion, I'd be grateful.
I got you. It's been fun.
Boys, I'll see you tomorrow. Boys, I will see you tomorrow.
Oh, yeah. Good show, bro.
Thank you. Rappaport, thank you so much for traveling over there.

I will see you next time.

Thank you for taking the time for the boys.

I'm going to go do my thing.

This is going to be a beautiful time here in Glasgow.

These fans are pretty insane.

What is usually in that building you're at?

This is the Ovo Hydro.

10,000 plus. I don't know the exact number.
They do all the good stuff here they do all the good stuff so many so much good stuff so much so much uh so much good stuff it's almost hard to list it all out because there's so much good stuff like if these seats could talk it would say so much good stuff and uh that's what i'm expecting tonight It's going to be awesome. Very, very updated arena.
Like the chairs,

seats are very nice. In the back, very nice.
Like it is very clean. I don't know how many events happen here, but I will say it is wonderful.
And these European crowds are insane. Rap, that's kind of the thing.
It's my first European WWE show. Not just, they take their soccer energy and their hooligan energy into wrestling.
So they sing, they understand that the fans in wrestling really matter. Oh, that's cool.
So like, I've only got to watch European WWE shows, but basically my whole life as of late, they've been coming over here more. Wasn't able to get to Belgium because it was the day after selection Sunday for March Madness and there's a lot going on.
We had a lot of coaches joining us. So this is my first European show.
I am very, very pumped to be in the building and feel these fans because they are a massive part of the show and these motherfuckers are wild. And today should be no different.
I can't wait for it. I appreciate the hell out of you, boys.
I'll see you tomorrow, okay? Good luck. See you, boys.
See you, boys. See you, boys.
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Have you guys ever been to soccer games over there, right? No, never. Of course not.
None of you guys? No, hell no. Actually? I mean, we're a big soccer show, but no.
Are we a big soccer show? No. Gump, maybe.
Gump, maybe. Maybe he's been over there.
I've never been. Only games in the U.S.
Rapsh, what did you think about seeing his heel turn in the promo he cut last week? What'd you think? I was... I know all about it, obviously.
No, I saw the memes. I saw the memes.
Everyone sent it to me in varying fashions. Okay.
I couldn't believe that he turned heel. It was a shocker.
Just sad. Yeah.
I took down all my posters. Oh, sure.
Just figured that. Which I think was too bad.
Max and Jude just tearing each other apart. Man, when they came to WrestleMania with me, they could not have loved wrestling more.
Oh, yeah. It's infectious.
I mean, because obviously they love you guys and they love Pat, and so they've watched his match like a million times in my house, and they are, yeah. What state do you send them to for school? What? Yeah, what's that place called? Is it Bivouac? We know you send them away for the summer.
I send them away for the summer, not for school, Although some people do that. I know.
One of my neighbors actually is from one of those other countries. And he went to school starting at like seven.
Like sleepaway school. Like that's what they do.
Oh, yeah. Boarding school.
Very legit. Seven? Oh, yeah.
AM or? In the Northeast, there's, I mean, Bjorn Werner. He wasn't seven, but he came over, what, 14, 15 years old? That's so crazy.
That is. That's, like, very common.
Prep school, private school, Northeast. I mean, I went to.
Like states away. Oh, I went to countries.
I went to school with a kid who was from Mexico City. High school.
We had a foreign exchange. They say Kim Jong-un went to high school in, like, Switzerland.
Yeah. Yeah.
Learned something new every day. Yeah.
I day yeah i mean it seems insane now i mean people will say it's insane when i do it to my kids for seven weeks so i don't know if everyone's down for that but i i justify that i think it's awesome for them school seems like sending away for the whole year seems different no i was saying for soccer though like what pat's talking about with like their energy they do not nobody has conversations in soccer games you sit next to person you don't you cheer and that is it and then you also when it's halftime you go drink your face off like as much as you can at halftime then you come back yeah because you can't drink in the seats yeah that's stupid stupid I mean soccer is but just that in general is stupid Yeah. That's wild.
I may or may not have tickets to the Dortmund soccer game that is going to happen, I think, in MetLife in the summer. Yeah, they always do that tour, yeah.
I'm really excited. All the good guys always play in those ones.
I'm really excited. Marco Reus.
Sure. I believe they set a switch jersey.
I have a Marco Reus jersey. I don't think he still plays for them.
He plays for LA or LA Galaxy now. Does he? Yeah.
I think I remember. I've actually been following extremely closely.
But, yeah. Anyway.
All right. Doorman's doing well in the Champions League.
Are they doing well? Yeah. We don't care.
Not in the league, in the Champions League. Take it easy, F1.
Yeah, coming from the F1 guy. Exactly.
I told you I was the fakest F1 guy. I respect that.
I watch my Netflix. You're going to Montreal, right? Think about it.
The guys I was in Montana with were discussing maybe going to a little Montreal F1. Ooh, boys trip to Montreal.
Uh-oh. I to connect to a gay person.
Don't tell Mrs. Sheet.
I've heard what goes on. She's not going to be thrilled.
Actually, hopefully she's not watching because I have not mentioned the story yet. But we'll see.
No, she went on a girls' trip to Montana, the same thing. So the girls went on a trip and then the boys went on.
Oh okay. That seems fair.
Kind of a double whammy. Yeah, exactly.

All right, good stuff.

I want to go back to what our good friend Daniel Jeremiah was talking about. Okay.

I like football and I want to talk about football.

Sure.

Okay.

Which is the quarterback landscape.

Yeah.

Right?

Because we obviously talked about Aaron Rodgers.

We talked about where he's going, which I think the Steelers sort of seem like the most likely choice at this point, although the Giants have certainly not ruled out. He hasn't visited them.
Has not visited the Giants, which I don't know that that really matters. He's never been to MetLife.
He's not going to like competing with Jameis. No, he's not.
Okay. I'm going through it in my head.
And the reaction to Jameis signing with the Giants was so weird to me. He's a starter.
I think people maybe didn't watch last year. What are you talking about? He got beat out.
He got benched, right? Is this the same guy? Listen, let's not judge what happens in Cleveland about what happened. Because also, remember, Joe Flacco led them to the playoffs, was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL for that 10-game stretch, and then they said, see you later.
So that could happen. And everyone was loving Denver's defense.
What did J-Mo do? Oh, he just put up a casual 40 on them. I don't understand how that could be the same guy who was not good at the standoff last year.
Listen, DTR, I'm sorry, he's a great young kid, but they benched him for him. And they traded him.
And they traded him for Kenny Pickett. They couldn't let Jameis start because they knew what would happen.
Hey, this guy's going to take the starting quarterback job. He's never going to look back.
And we're paying another guy fucking $800 million, so we need to make sure he's out there. No, I was thinking back to it.
It was the five-year anniversary of Brady signing in Tampa this week, right? Five years already? I mean, which also was like that was early COVID. So I remember Brady couldn't get a physical, had to go to like New York or something like that to get it.
The whole thing was crazy. But I was reminded, you talk about like the NFL revisionist or like going back to sort of like sliding door.
What if do you guys remember that the Bucks offered Jameis a contract around the time in mobile? Cause he was going to be a free agent. He didn't accept.
And then they pivoted to Brady. No, I did not.
Like literally offering his 30, 30 year. This was right.
I think at that, I think it was, it was either preLASIK or right when he got LASIK,

and that was going to fix everything, which it has not.

Had Jameis accepted the contract, it's kind of like, I don't know.

The NFL, what might have happened had that sliding door closed for the Bucs

is like, I don't know.

That's what I found myself thinking.

Brady playing with Rabel in Tennessee, maybe?

Because who was it?

It was Darlington.

I remember on ESPN, they had a whole entire board. And it was like Tennessee was one of the teams.
There's one other. I don't know why.
I can't remember it. And then Darlington actually took – Weren't the Chargers in on it? Yeah, it might have been.
I think they also made an offer. Because that's when Phillip Rivers left.
And then Darlington grabbed the pen, and he went over and wrote on the LED board, like, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And I assume that was probably around the time that Jameis kind of slid out.
And then Tampa won a Super Bowl. Wow.
And Brady held up four fingers, and people didn't remember, didn't know what down it was. It's the Bears.
Nick Foles. Thursday night football.
Nick Foles was the starter then? For the Bears, yeah. He refused to shake his hand for that game too.
Oh my God, that's rude. It's crazy.
I respect the pettiness so absolutely much. The NFL's best.
Someone did the entire theory last year where they shouldn't release free agent reports. And then week one, you find out where all these new players go.
That's the one rule I would want to impose. I would be sick.
Wait, hold on. It'd be sweet.
Hold on. So you wouldn't know where free agents are.
You wouldn't know off-season trades. You wouldn't know anything.
And then week one of the NFL season. It would suck for you.
Boom. Yeah, your job gets completely eliminated.
We turn the TV on. You're fired.
And we're like, holy shit, Rodgers is on the Steelers now? DK, he's throwing to DK. DK.
He traded for... Is George Pickens going to be part of that wide receiver core? I think he is.
I want to be careful about the aggregators because I'm aware of, but I would say it's not 100%, because there's always a little bit of like, first of all, let's say they don't sign Rodgers and it's Mace Doug.. George Pickens is going to be that happy? I don't know.
Probably. He loves Mace.
Does he? Big fan of Mace. Although Pickens did say the one guy he'd want to play with is Aaron Rodgers.
He did say that too. Those two should be together.
If George Pickens is like... Someone asked him one teammate you could have.
This was years ago. This was years ago.
Oh, actually. And he said Aaron Rodgers.
Might get it. Might get it.
Pretty cool, man. So the angst around Rodgers, I find it so hilarious.
Like Pat sort of alluded to it a little bit. It's like everyone's like, why won't you make a decision? And I'm kind of like, what are we going to talk about when he makes a decision? True.
It's all draft. He's the last thing, and then it's all draft.
And Russ, what do you mean? It feels like nobody wants Russ. Yeah, you said that contract is going to be yikes.
I mean. That speaks to how much people care.
Now, did I want him to be the Steelers quarterback again this year? No. Did you want him last year? I've talked myself into it.
You did. But he didn't.
I don't think he played bad enough to get kind of how he's being treated right now. Sorry.
My wife just texted me. I guess she is watching.
Oh, I thought. Bye-bye, Montreal.
We're going up there. Sorry.
I thought that was a breaking news face. It's worse.
She says, you're going nowhere. Ooh.
Sorry. Not.
Man, good run for you, though. It's okay.
Hope you enjoy Montana. She's going anywhere.
It's not a, as I told her very nicely, it's not a quid pro quo, but I want her to go on all the girls' trips she possibly can because I want her to enjoy herself and have a great time with her friends. Well, and you guys get that cool eight weeks like we talked about where you're sending the kids away like you guys get to do anything we're at we have to plan it this year we got we got to get on we've been a little busy we have to figure out where we're going it's a whole you went to iraul you went to europe last year right oh now she's texting me again yeah went to went to europe last year i learned all the different countries that pat was talking about of course you did you did a great job with that uh so we have had this off season though some um record-breaking contracts market changing contracts miles garrett eric stingley uh jamar chase now they all kind of reset the market can we expect any other big time extensions before the draft before the draft i don't know talk about the steel? If TJ Watt's got a year left, I know getting something done with him is something that the Steelers want to do.
I mean, that's a guy you want to make sure he's around until the end of time. So, like, could he become the next to Eclipse 40? I think he could.
Wow. Okay.
I think he could. With Pittsburgh? With Pittsburgh.
Because if you're TJ Watt, like, why would you sign unless it's – like, if you're as good as Miles Garrett, and I think he is. With Pittsburgh? With Pittsburgh.
Because if you're TJ Watt, why would you sign unless it's...

If you're as good as Miles Garrett, and I think

he is, then

that's what he should be getting.

Is that the consensus around the people that you

speak to, that he's in that same...

I know a lot of people see him 1A, 1B

maybe, and some people that I've talked

to may see Miles Garrett as clearly the

top guy at this point in the game.

Football people. Yeah.
Numbers would suggest otherwise. Well, I mean, numbers, you know, numbers are numbers.
Numbers don't lie. To me, it's 1A and 1B.
I think they're at least comparable, certainly just as decorated. But I think the problem is if you're T.J.
Watt, and let's say you accept a contract that's $35 million a year, great deal, going to be rich. Whatever it is.
Right? But then everyone's going to know that you're a bit lower. Like, it really does sort of set where you are as far as, like, in the hierarchy.
You're T.J. Watt.
Like, why would you not? Like, you want higher so everyone knows this is best. Numbers do matter when it comes to contracts, for sure, I think.
I know I've never been in a negotiation, but what about Micah? Micah's going to be higher. See, Micah's younger, too.
Oh, yeah. Six years younger.
How old is T.J. Walker compared to Miles? I think they're the same age.
Miles is 29, but it'll be 30. Yeah, it's like a year apart.
That's a big year. It's a year, yeah.
But no, Mic think micah will probably just me assuming micah probably um hutch probably the next guy's yeah what about hutch coming off the broken leg rap sheet does that change anything at all i don't think so i know well timing wise i don't think so all right i'm sorry timing wise yes actual like what it'll end up as i don't think so The Lions have been very, very proactive in locking up their studs early. Penny Sewell got a huge deal early.
Amon Ra. Amon Ra.
Lee McNeil. They lock up their guys really early because they're smart.
I'm trying to remember what Amon Ra's deal is. I think Amon Ra's deal was $28 million over the first three years average, right? I think that's what it was.
I thought it was to the third i think the overall number was 30 i think it was four for 120 overall it was 30 that sounds right right and then 28 over the average over the first three and so like that's an awesome deal yeah but they end up saving them money because all the receiver deals after like brandon you comes in at 30 and then it of like, well, you'd rather have Amin Ra than Brandon Ayuk, right? No doubt. So that ends up saving the money, so doing that early.
So anyway, I would imagine Hutch gets done as soon as they are absolutely 100% sure that he's healthy and ready to roll. What about Purdy? We've been talking about the Purdy contract for like two years now, and now it's kind of time, and they've obviously moved on from a bunch of people.
I don't know. Are they still trying to ship people out of the building? I know Iyuk was kind of rumored, rather, by some people to get traded.
Is that still happening, or are we going to get Purdy this year? Well, first, the Iyuk thing. That was more than rumored.
That was confirmed by John Lynch that was the craziest thing is like usually that kind of stuff like sign a guy to a contract and oh you might trade him usually people are like ah that's ridiculous John Lynch was literally like on local radio was like well you know you certainly have to consider everything I'm like but you know is he going to be ready for the season is he going to be healthy I'm. Like, I could see him sitting out the first couple games.
Like, that was a serious injury he had. So who would trade for someone when you don't know? The Browns.
People have said that they might. I mean, they actually tried to trade for him last year.
Same with New England. Yeah.
New England being the other team for every free agent and every trade wide receiver was like my favorite sort of side storyline of free agency. Yeah, me too.
It was the Steelers for a while until they got DK, obviously. Stephon Diggs in the building now.
Oh, yeah. Sounded like that went well.
He didn't sign, so how well could it have gone? Well, but he's only like four months out from acl surgery so like it's i'm like a you know during free agency so hectic right you go to the combine and it's like you might have some drinks you stay out late brain is all right with a guy in a starbucks i didn't get your pants scream for security yeah yeah you know all those things all those things i was so annoyed when people were like you got, you got into a fight with someone. I didn't get into a fight with anyone.
I just stood there while somebody else tried to get into a fight with me. Did you cross your arms? No, because...
You should have ball tapped him. In a fight...
Cup check. No, I was standing there.
I carry coffee around all the time at the combat because I'm always so freaking tired And so I had coffee in one hand So even if there was some sort of something I probably would have had to ruin my suit But not because of what you said But because I would have spilled coffee They reported that, I didn't know if Who reported that? Sounds like a Florio Yeah, it might said that like the they had like pictures from like the hotel you soiled your you know florio pants and you're crying into tissues that was the only thing florio had literally the whole thing word for word like two hours how many people were in there it was packed 50 holy shit and everyone like record scratch yeah stop what they're doing yeah holy the most ridiculous thing is now i mean i guess it doesn't necessarily hurt to say this. So you've seen the picture, right? Mike Garofalo took the picture and then sent it to literally everyone.
I mean, that's an insider. So it's like, how did this picture get out? I love that move.
I know how this picture got out. Like, Garifold was sent to everyone he knew.
And which, like, first of all. Holy shit, she's getting fucking confronted by Jordan Schultz right now.
And, like, he's a good friend. You would have thought that he might have been.
Doesn't sound like it, Ravstein. No, it's like, shouldn't he have jumped in? Instead, he was like, all right, like, let's take this picture.
That's good reporting. I mean, he knew that was going to – he's all, man, this is going to just steal all the headlines this week.
It's all anyone's going to be able to be talking about. Yeah, it was honestly a bad move for him not tweeting it.
Who's the third gentleman here? Is that Dan Jones? That's Fowler. Jeremy? Yeah.
So, Jeremy, did he tuck tail or did he jump in? He just stood there. And you were talking to Fowler before Schultz came over and said, what's up, motherfucker? I was talking to an agent who you can't see.
He was actually coming out of the picture. There's two agents.
One's to the left and then one is behind. Yeah.
But, yeah, Fowler, I love Fowler, but he just stood there.

How about someone like, come on, come on.

Yeah, and Schultz has the, is that fucking right eyes on?

He's got the crazy eyes going.

Yeah, big time.

And you can see me kind of like,

leaning left like, geez, we're going to get away from it.

Is this the first time I have some shit like this

that's happened to you? In your career?

Yeah.

Didn't Dellinger confront you after you tried to have sex with his wife? What? I did not try to have sex. No, that is a...
No, she changed her name to sex with my phone. Oh, I forgot.
You remember? I knew it was something. It was something along the line.
I knew it was something weird like... Guys, wife is watching.
Pull down. He told the story.
He told the story on the phone. His wife is like a very well-respected White House reporter, by the way, and I'm sure she's not watching, but if she is.
Well, I'm glad we're getting this out of the way then because that's the rumor you started on the show. Clear it up.
I start lots of rumors. That's your job, man.
Yeah, it's part of it. People are always like, can you believe, was that weird to be in the center of all that in the combine? I'm like, I'm in the center of nonsense all the time yeah true it feels like it's free agency week way before you do love nonsense i mean this is why i'm in it like i was i mean not that is the reason sure that was the first time that's ever happened usually people if they have like a like an actual beef will be like can we talk about this like you know sure let's let's sit and discuss as like gentlemen yeah that was not a it was very gentlemanly do you get sick of it like how long do you think you'll keep going like can you take a shower yeah it's so much shit and like when woe's retired i feel like it did kind of give some people the perspective of of like oh, this stuff completely takes over Insider's lives.
His whole entire thing about his friend's funeral, and he was like, holy fuck, I need to legitimately change my life, and that's why he left. So he couldn't take a piss anymore.
Couldn't shower. Couldn't poop.
I do all those things. You shower? Yeah.
I showered this morning. But are you anxious doing it? No, I have my phone with me all the time.
In the shower? In the shower. Okay.
Every time. If you've got to take a piss, it's a great time because you come out, you check your phone, and you do your thing.
Do you put it in one of those beach lanyards that you put in a plastic Ziploc bag? No, I just let it ride. But when I was skiing, I had an attachment on.
It was tethered to my ski jacket so I could check on the lift. Yeah, that's smart.
like the homeless guy gloves Sliced off the top so you can still use your fingies Oh boy Caught that Exactly the Marv merchants if you will They sell great stuff Watching those idiots fall on the traps Is still one of my favorite sequences Best Best part of Christmas every year. I mean, I still like, my humor is not exactly like highbrow.
There we go. Bang.
Classic. The Marv Ones.
It must be very weird for them to be like, Joe Pesci is like a legitimately accomplished actor. And this, I don't know if it's his most famous role, but it's definitely in the top.
He's like a goat farmer now. He actually just, dead serious.
Is he a goat farmer? Daniel Stern. Yeah, the guy on the right.
Yeah, Joe Pesci. He's talking about Joe Pesci.
Daniel Stern is a goat farmer? Yeah, he does. He has like a massive farm and like does like art inside like this massive warehouse.
Yeah, he's kind of... Off the grid.
Yeah. Like Giovanni Carmazzi.
Giovanni Carmazzi's off the grid? Yeah, he's a go- Gio Barca? No, no, no. One of the Brady Six.
Oh. The quarterback that the Niners drafted that thought Brady was going to be him.
Gino Gadouli? No. I thought Gio was off the grid.
There was a guy... Do you guys know who Jack Johnson is? Singer? Yeah, of course.
Banana pancakes. Come on, dude.
My wife and I danced to that at our wedding, by the way. That was your song? That was our couple song.
That was your wedding song. It was good.
Banana pancakes. Waking up to her? Interesting.
Jack Johnson. I don't know.
Anyway, I hear he is an avocado farmer now. Has taken himself completely off the grid and is a wildly successful California.
Avocados from Mexico? Those are from. From, yeah.
He still lives in Hawaii, though, right? Does he? I would do so. He was touring a couple years ago.
His vibe seems like Hawaii. I don't know.
Anyway, that would be, I mean, talk about the Woj thing. Yeah.
The amount of people who have asked me, like, oh, are you going to retire and become like a GM of college? I was like, that's not me. GM of the Columbia crew team? I would be.
The Lions? Do we have NIL deals in crew? No. No, shoot.
Change the game, bro. Yeah.
25 bucks in New Wars for your boat. I get it done.
There's money in crew. I know that.
You go do crew, and then you become like an investment banker or something. So it's not in crew.
It's in the people in crew. I know what you're saying.
So is Purdy going to get paid? What do you think? Oh, yeah, Purdy. I think he's going to get paid.
The contract is so hard because it's like, I think what you'd sort of like is like, all right, well, he made almost no money the whole time. So like maybe he'll sort of inch his way up.
But like all those guys, like he should be in the 50s, right? Yep. Yeah.
But I think when people think about him, they talk about him more like he's a 30s or 40s quarterback. You know what I mean? People do.
They do. They talk about him like he's going to get a Darnold contract or a Baker contract.
Except it's like, if you didn't know where he got... And I hate this about the draft.
Because he was drafted last, people still think about him like he's the last pick,

but it's like, who's more accomplished? Justin Herbert or Brock Purdy?

Purdy.

Purdy.

I mean, Purdy's more accomplished than basically everybody up there, except for Jalen Hurts.

Yeah.

And Burrow's similar, right?

I would say Burrow's similar, but I would damn near put Purdy either at him or above him. Right.
But this is the problem. I'm sure you saw this.
It's like players get discussed from their draft status. Yeah, that draft position sticks with you.
That's partly why we saw Stingley just reset the market the way he did. He was the number three overall pick.
He lived up to the high. Most of the guys that kind of break that barrier and reset markets, usually those are top-tier, first-round type picks, and that just sticks with you throughout.
Miles Garrett, obviously he's been great. First overall pick, you don't expect that from him.
That's why Hutch, Hutch be the next guy. Michael Parsons, same thing.
But I think Brock Purdy will definitely jump into that 50-year. I don't think anybody in the next couple years will jump that 60 million mark um once Josh Allen kind of redid his deal and stayed at 55 I think that's kind of gonna hold hold it back yeah for sure yeah hold him back you mean that's no the next guy I mean the the salary cap it jumps up so much next year so I'm sure there will be a guy soon but once I think that surprised me that josh allen took that 55 a year obviously the guarantees are huge but that gap right now where dak is that i don't think anybody jumps that just just like miles garrett just like stingley with that big five million a dollar a year gap um i think that'll that'll remain at least for another year how about lamar i think he goes yeah he's got a big got a big number coming up big cap number coming up.
What about Patrick? What about Mahomes? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Mahomes is tougher because he took the long deal, obviously to help during COVID, to help them build. But I do wonder if at some point, like with trying to figure out where the Josh Allen deal comes in is tough because basically what they did is something no teams ever do.
They ripped up the deal. They just said, we're going to give you a new deal and it's 55.
Right? Instead of like, we're going to tack on two years and in many years you're going to be at 60. Took a new real deal.
That like, you know, that never happened. With three years left, right? Yeah.
Okay. With, I think it was four years left.
Okay, four years left. You know? And so, like, would Mahomes do that knowing it might hurt the Chiefs as far as, like, player acquisition? Like, I don't know that he would.
I think he's more along – I think. He's more along the Brady plan of, like, you guys can say I'm undervalued, but I'm going to keep competing for Super Bowls.
Yeah. Don think he's good enough, though, where even the guys they bring in, and they bring in some of these older veterans who aren't going to be making a bunch of money anyway.
It's not like D-Hop was going to be getting a ton of money from them. He could be like, you know what, it's been, I've done this enough.
I'm already the best quarterback in the NFL, arguably one of the best, maybe the best quarterback ever. It's time I'm the highest paid guy in the NFL, and I'll make the guys we bring in better anyway.
God, I think about this all the time. I mean, like, if you're Mahomes, like, do you get a note? And I think Brady – I mean, you knew him better than I did, but, like, I don't think he cared really about what people said about – I mean, he took below-market deals for years.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it didn't seem like he cared, right? Yeah, he didn't seem like, but for Mahomes not to be on this, as long as this is asinine.
And obviously Brady and all these big-time franchises, yeah, they got so much shit going on off the field for him, endorsement- wise and things like that, that they're going to be good.

And you know, you know, part of the people that represent, you know, my homes and all those things.

But for him not to be on this deal and this obviously list will only get longer, it's

crazy at this point.

You guys were talking about, I didn't even, I didn't even think about it.

He's literally not on there.

No.

I don't even think he's close.

He's like 40 something.

Or obviously, obviously.

I mean, his deal was kind of funky last year.

42.

So maybe he doesn't care, but like also that's bullshit.

You know, like I can't imagine deal was kind of funky last year. 42?

So maybe he doesn't care, but also that's bullshit.

You know?

I can't imagine if he sees this and he's just like, whatever.

I've won a couple Super Bowls.

It's like.

I mean, we were talking about with the edge rushers.

It's like some of money is what you are not worth money-wise,

but you're ranking.

So to your point, I kind of wonder. I don't know, like we know he's the best.
Where's he at? What's the app? So 40, yeah, I mean that was the original deal. And then where's the cash? Can you hit the cash button? There we go.
So yeah, 40. So 50 this year.
Yeah, so 45 and a half last year whatever so 50 this year but like would be a good time i mean he's got you know a cap number that's large this would be a good time for it i just don't know like is he gonna demand it um you think he just doesn't give a fuck or he's happy. Maybe he wants people to be like this is the least selfish guy because he's made money.
He's making a lot of money outside of the NFL as well. Owns a couple of teams.
I would say with that, Royals and Sox team. That's my whole thing though because I know he's into that stuff and more money definitely helps.
it in too much. Like, if he wants to be in ownership groups for teams,

more money would definitely help with that.

I mean, and like Brady, you know, Brady obviously gets some criticism

or whatever you'd call it for being part owner of the Raiders,

and obviously he's with Fox, and it's sort of like, you know,

like Florio rips him all the time, for better or worse.

I wonder if that's going to be sort of the new currency to be like, when you're Mahomes and you see Brady doing it and God forbid he wins in Vegas, like, is Mahomes going to be like, what's my team? Because everyone talked about Peyton Manning doing this. Yeah.
Never did it. With Denver.
Yeah. Or like, I think we thought with the Saints maybe.
No, no, it was Tennessee. That's right.
Where people, we kind of thought he thought he would buy and he didn't. I wonder if Mahomes is like, this is me.
This is my next kind of frontier. But you're right, you need money for that.
A lot of it. It's great.
TNFL, baby. I don't know.
A lot of money. I would say to Brady, and I was thinking about this because I was in, where I was skiing, it was a lot of Brady talk.
And actually, talking about the Jordan Schultz thing, I did talk to a source, a really close source, who witnessed the Brady-Rogers meeting on the slopes. Literally witnessed it.
And I was told, according to a source, they skied into each other. Not like into each other, but chatted, skied together, and then that was it.
Good source. Did they race? They probably had to have raced.
Yeah, they raced. They didn't talk about it, but they just did it.
I mean, I assume Brady's a pretty good skier, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, he's not that great of a golfer.
You'd think he'd be better. He's pretty good at golf.
He's not bad. He hit that hole-in-one.
Remember? From the middle of the fairway. Remember that? shot yeah yeah yeah remember that was real so i don't know is he a good golfer i think he's probably better than me i assume i don't know yeah i mean but but anyway like i wonder you know the the brady angst over his vegas stint like i kind of wonder if he if he makes them good if he helps them be good like i think this is going to be probably the biggest story in football is like led them back helped hire pete carroll got gino who we'll see what he is but like i don't know like i i mean i don't know how bullish you guys are on brady and the brady ownership and brady steering of these of this team but i think it's going to be pretty freaking interesting going forward.
Yeah, definitely high on it. But, you know, Denver, Chargers, Chiefs.
Yeah, tough division. Do we think any of those teams are getting worse? I think Brady is a great story.
I think it is cool. And I don't think it really matters what he does in Vegas because he's already, you know, the greatest of all time.
But it's like, are any of those three teams doing worse? But ownership is, in 10 years, he could turn around. It doesn't have to be.
Yeah, freaking 30 years. If he brings the Raiders to a national contention, they're contending for titles and shit, and then X however many years, or year after year, that'll be as impressive as what he's done as a football player.
With what the Raiders have been for the last, what? Couple decades? 25 years? Yeah, at least since just win baby, I feel like, Al Davis days, if he brings them back to promise, because Raiders, you know, is an iconic brand, you know, in the NFL, but if he does that from the ownership level, you know, gets a team in there that can contend, you know, as decades, you talk about about how tough that division is in the same division as Patrick Mahomes, who

is, in most opinion, the second greatest quarterback right now.

That'll be wow.

That'll be crazy.

Yeah.

Put some respect on Rich Cannon's name.

Yeah.

First and foremost.

2001.

Yeah.

Super.

How do you think they do that?

Do you think Geno, like right now, looking at the team, like – I think it'll be better. Be better.
Be competitive. They still got great pieces there.
You think Aiden O'Connell is better than Geno Smith? No, I do not. Absolutely not.
But it will be the next iteration because Pete Carroll is only going to be around for probably like four more years tops. He's not coaching into his 80s.
I was thinking three would be like... 72?

I think so, yeah.

Yeah, or 73, something like that.

Turn in 73, I think.

And that's why it was so interesting.

And it's funny.

Culture is so insanely important.

And I don't know how good they're going to be this year.

My guess is better because certainly we're not going to be worse.

It's an easy guess, yeah.

I mean, that's not exactly right.

Probably fucking sunk, yeah.

Right.

But getting someone to teach everyone the culture and understand how to be a professional is so much of it. The stories you would hear out of the Raiders building the last couple years, not exactly a bastion of professionalism.
Not great. And even people who did a really good job there, like Dave Ziggle was the GM, I would argue he drafted well.

Telesco drafted really well his one draft.

But, like, there was so much other clutter, noise, nonsense,

dealing with all the time that, like.

Well, now they also have the WizKid at GM, too, so.

I think that'll be good, too.

Jimbo Gladstone was with the Jaguar.

Before Jimbo Gladstone got hired, the WizKid. Spitek.
John Spitek. Yeah.
One of the Bucs disciples. Yeah.
Tom met him down in Tampa and said, well, this guy's the WizKid. So, like, what would you say is bringing them back success? You're saying this year or the next five, ten years? Yeah.
Like playoffs every year and then. So like a consistent thing, not like a conference title.
Yeah, consistent. And he's ownership, so he's going to be there, I would assume, for a while.
And if he's coming in day one and Mark Davis is kind of giving him, it seems like from what we've heard that, hey, you're kind of running the show. That's what it says.
And for the next, you know, five, ten, fifteen, once again, Pete Carroll era will be short, we all assume. Geno, we don't know how long he'll be there.
But if you get a coach, GM, quarterback, you have like, okay, the Raiders are in the conversation year in and year out, and then actually competing, you know, AFC titles, you know, division wins. Not finishing fourth every year.
Yeah, that'll be – I mean, they got some pieces. Max is still there.
Brock Bowers is still there. I kind i kind of wondered if max would kind of be like well i wonder if that's part of the reason why they get someone like p like a serious head coach who can kind of stabilize things and get them going in the right direction because like one more year of them being really bad he might have been like fuck this place i want to go win somewhere i mean like going into the it's funny like i always look back at our like super bowl story.
Well, we talked about Super Bowl Sunday, and it was like, is Max Crosby going to stay or is he going to ask to be traded? Is Micah going to stay or is he going to – and it seems like everyone probably stays. I mean, we got some good clicks out of it, but it seems like everyone stays.
But that was really a question. It was like, is he going to believe in this place enough to where I'll actually stick around? And the other thing was, is we all thought that Gino was going to get an extension in Seattle.
And this was like the, the arc of this was so crazy. Cause like free agency week, it's like, I knew they were having negotiations with Gino.
I knew they weren't getting anywhere. I knew it was like, sound sounded like it was like a full communication breakdown in Seattle with Gino.
And then all of a sudden you start to hear confidence from like the Sam Darnold world of like, okay, wait a minute. Like something is going on.
And like, that's how we ended up figuring out that he was going to be traded. Cause it was like, hold on.
Like I remember here, we heard of a secret conversation with raiders in seattle during the combine where they talked about a gino trade that involves metcalf and max i think if i remember this correctly yeah everyone kind of laughed about it but they didn't stop talking it was just kind of like whoa that's crazy and i was like all right if their secret conversations there, if they're ready to move on from Gino because they didn't get a contract

extension, like what the heck is going on?

And then trading him and Darnold was like, once that happens,

like that's obviously where Darnold's going.

Yeah.

So did other teams make offers to Darnold?

Or was that the best offer?

I think that was the only offer.

I think it was because it wasn't like Gino was on the block.

It was like this team has engaged. And then I think they were sort of like, all right, we know each other.
Obviously, Pete and John. No, I mean for Darnold.
Was that the only offer Darnold got? It wasn't the only offer, but it was the only offer close to there. Well, I don't know that there were other formal offers, I would say, But, like, it did seem like, like, unless it was, that's not true.
Vikings had an offer. They offered them? Vikings had an offer.
But it wasn't that close? No. Their offer, the Vikings offer, I believe, was more in the 20s.
How many years? Damn. I think it was one.
Oh, so they wanted to give him just like a tag, but half a tag?

I think that's what it was.

Yeah.

So, like, they were actually, I know the Vikings were, like,

considering tagging him, Darnold.

And then it's like tag him, tag him to trade him.

And then they didn't end up doing it because there wouldn't have been a market.

Yeah.

They're ready to go to JJ.

Yeah.

But if you offer that, you don't tag.

They're ready to go to JJ. But what about Geno?

Now that he's traded, where are the conversations with Vegas in the new deal? Doesn't sound like they've really kind of got off the thing. Like, I don't – I mean, I'm sure they've had – Good start.
I mean, I was actually surprised. Like, I would have thought, like, a deal would have come with the trade.
Yeah. Because that's – If you're – you know, that'd be a way to do it.
But, I mean, maybe they don't, maybe they're, I mean, I don't know they'll make them play it out, but that gets interesting if that happens. Because then it's like, then they're in the same situation the Vikings were in with Donald, where it's like, do we tag him? Do we keep going? Like, do we move on? Like, I don't know.
Maybe we can see how the draft plays out. Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say.
Because, obviously, Brady and New England, if Hunter and Carter are gone and Shadir's there at four, could you see Brady and New England trade and they go back to six and then take whoever the fuck is there and the Raiders trade up? Yeah, Raiders go to four, New England goes to six. I don't think...
I hate doing this with the draft because everyone lies. It's all just fucking fodder, yeah.
But I don't believe that the Raiders consider any quarterback to be that high. Okay.
So I don't think they would come up – now, maybe if Cam Ward suddenly was there. But that's what's, like, so interesting.
And I think Daniel Jeremiah did a really good job of explaining it. It's like the prospects are good.
The middle of the draft is good. like, it feels to me now that Shador and then a little bit later, like maybe a couple other quarterbacks, maybe.
But, like, Jackson Dart sort of be in the 20s. But it doesn't seem like there's that many high ends.
So, it's like, he's right. Like, if Shador doesn't go three, that's the biggest story of the draft.
And we know Jacksonville is not taking the quarterback, too, with Lawrence. And Brady, I mean, he knows Shador very, very well.
Can we see the draft order again? Well, yeah, like the whole Shador-Gino thing and the fact that they haven't given him a deal. Yeah, makes sense.
There's a chance if he doesn't go three that, you know, or Saints at, I mean, like 20. Saints at nine I've thought about.
I mean, I'd say Jets at seven. Yeah.
Talking about anybody that needs a quarterback with, especially with players like Garrett Wilson who are one of those, hey, I'm not going to sit around on a fucking shitty team. Yeah.
I mean, Fields didn't get bad money there. He didn't get started.
Was it $20 million or something?

Yeah.

I mean, he got good money.

That's the most money he's made.

But you're right.

It's not like we're set at quarterback.

Now, I happen to be a big Fields fan, so I think he's going to play well.

Him and Brees Hall.

And Garrett Wilson.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, there's a lot of teams that sort of, sort of could use one. Like, the Saints are an interesting one to me.
They're doing all the quarterback homework. I could see them.
I know he mentioned the Browns being a team that could come back. I could see the Saints coming back into the first round trying to take one.
Late. You know, because, like, that'll be – Jackson Dart will be sitting there.
Quinn Ewers, who's got his pro date tomorrow. Like, might he be a late one? Maybe someone could come up.
Like, I don't know. Yeah, because there's six teams in the top ten that need quarterbacks.
The first three, and then Raiders, Jets, Saints. Yeah.
Which, like, it's funny. Like, from my standpoint, like, all I want is just draft chaos, right? Of course.
Absolute. Like, that's why we're talking about the Will Anderson trade.
It's like, that was freaking chaos. Count me in for that.
But if we see, if Shador slides, biggest story of the draft right there. No doubt about it.
And then it's like, because the crazy thing for him, and you guys will have to let me know what you think of this, but this is what I think about. If Sh sanders goes to a team without a fully solid coach with a coach who might be on the hot seat he goes there is anyone talk like how many times are we going to mention could dion be the coach of this team next year a lot right yeah yep no doubt i mean that's that was a big conversation storyline with dallas It was.
In my opinion, he was obviously never going to Dallas with that contract, but that was still a big conversation. Hey, Dallas, you replaced Mike McCarthy, DM, Shadour.
So, yeah, that is definitely... You always talk certain prospects and then certain players even.
You know, once they get it, it's just other shit that comes with them. Good, bad, or indifferent.
Aaron Rodgers, it's going to be a lot of shit that comes with Aaron Rodgers Tim Tebow towards in his career he's trying to be a tight end and backup quarterback it's going to be a lot of Cam Newton it's going to be a lot of shit that comes with certain people I think it's going to be the same with uh Shador so yeah that's a that's a it's a fair point and obviously owners and people are attuned to what's going on with our story they probably love it though yeah and that was like the let Dak walk thing because his contract wasn't really locked in. It was like, hey, this guy could be a free agent, and then they just trade up and draft Shador and hire Dion.
But if you had to bet right now, which you can't, would you say Shador's going in? Because Cam Ward's going one. It feels like that's done.
Whether it's Titans or not. And think the titans are still in evaluation mode on whether they're going to trade or pick yeah if it's not titans who is it giants probably would be my guess is bill levis on the market then he's not on the market but i would say he's definitely someone i'm watching like i think there's a couple backup quarterbacks which like he was benched last year, so I think it's fair to characterize him.
I think there's a couple guys that I'm sort of monitoring to be like, all right, like you mentioned Aiden O'Connell. He didn't come in with Pete.
Teams need a bat. Could he be on the move? I think there's a couple.
Malik Willis. Malik Willis.
Although Malik Willis played well last year. That's what I'm saying.
You get a second-round pick, first-round pick.

Who came in, did not lose the game.

First-round pick.

Maybe two first-round picks.

There's certainly a chance.

There's certainly a world in which that happens.

I mean, Joe Milton.

Joe Milton's going for a first.

I mean, Joe Milton is very, very interesting.

Would you follow them as closely as anyone I know?

What would you think of a Milton trade?

I'm good.

Go ahead.

You go ahead?

Yeah.

Tell me what.

Personally, my perfect draft for the Patriots, well, they already brought in Dobbs, so why carry three quarterbacks? But my perfect draft for the Patriots is they take a Hunter or Jinty or Tyler Warren or something at four and then trade back in to the first round towards the end and take one of those, the Oregon tackle or one of those type of tackles that they really love. And you really wouldn't have to give up that 38 pick because you trade Joe Milton for a third, would you say two-thirds get you back into the back half of the second? Yeah, I think that's probably right.
You know what I mean? So then you still have a pick in every single round. You're giving up Joe Milton, and you're giving up, let's just say, 69 because it's the higher pick.
Oh, that's why you picked 69? No, I picked 69 just because I don't think 77 and Joe Milton get you there, but maybe saying that top 70 pick does. Then all of a sudden you're getting two first round guys.
At 38, everyone's talking about Abdul Carter. At 38, then you're getting one of those top pass rushers.
You're legitimately getting a top tier player right at the top with a Hunter or a Jinty or someone there to help Drake May. You're getting a tackle in the back half of that first round, whoever that is.
And then you're also getting a pass rusher, which I would put third in the list of things that the Patriots need just because Harold Landry, Milton Williams, Keon White, Christian Barmore. Is that for the Patriots? A lot of people say Donovan Jackson saved Ohio State's season because of all the O-line injuries, and he basically was the rock on that.
He's on an island. Yeah.
And like Travis Hunter, like all cases is definitely who I would want the Patriots to get, and he's wide receiver one, and then he comes in in the red zone to play corner, and then corner, and then we just lock it down. And so, I mean, I don't know.
I felt surprised to hear Daniel Jeremiah say that. Like, I say that he would be a – A turn the card in? So, I've listened to DJ on and move the sticks a ton, him and Bucky, and then also Field and Kuyper.
They all say that if Travis Hunter was just a wide receiver, he would be the number one right receiver in this draft class by far. So crazy.
It would be a top 10 wide receiver by far. If he was just wide receiver.
So that's how I would want him. And we don't need him at corner.
You got Gonzalez and Carlton. I know, but like if he is a lockdown corner, him and Gonzalez playing it.
Dude, that's why I think the red zone, you bring him in, and then it's just like, okay, you have to throw it. You leave Gonzo on an island.
Hear me out here. You leave Gonzo on an island.
You double whoever Carlton Davis is on, and then you leave Hunter on an island, and you send eight, and you make him throw it at Travis Hunter. Engage eight.
Engage eight. Throw it at Travis Hunter.
Let's see if we can get a couple red zone picks. That is legitimately what I would do.
But also, if Hunter and Abdul Carter are gone, I think Jinty would be awesome. Because look what just happened.
The last two Super Bowls. God.
Running the ball. Favre loves a running back.
He loves a good running back. Ramondre Stevenson and him.
That kind of has shade to Dave Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs, wouldn't you say? I would. I would.
I tell you that much. Yeah.
Think about it, Rob. The fact that a running back could be taken so early and no one's laughing is amazing.
It has come all the way back. It's flipped.
DJ thinks there's a chance that him or Gentry and Omari on Hampton both go in the top 10. Six or Gentry six.

He has Gentry special too.

And then Hampton attended the Bears potentially.

That's interesting. He ain't Gentry.

God, Bears.

I don't know, Connor.

If it was, they would have been better.

Bears, I mean, Bears are another team.

I was actually thinking when you guys were talking about,

when we were all talking about Geno, like people ask me like,

who's the team that gets, I mean, I feel like.

It's always the Bears.

Yeah.

Seahawks would be one that I was thinking of. Bears, again, with the Ben Johnson addition, I feel like they could be pretty good.
We say that every year with the Bears. Has it been every year? It's our year, though.
It's our year. Pretty much.
It's been them for a lot of years. I'm a Packers fan, so yeah, I'm pretty sure that every offseason,

see if the Bears are in free agency?

Bears might win fucking 10 games this year.

There were years when the Panthers... Those top four teams, I feel like there's just one clear team

that has the best chance next year.

Titans?

I think we know which team I'm talking about.

Commanders?

They're not in the top four.

That is clearly New England, my friend. Okay.
So you think, I mean, there is one every year who jumps out and has like. It's happened the last two years.
I say Commanders. I was thinking of the Commanders as that team.
Yeah. And the year before was the Texans.
They had the two pick. I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. I mean, the Bears are going to be much better than 5-12, that's for sure.
Probably. Who knows, though? You know, Jimbo Gladstone and Liam Cohn? They might fucking flip that thing around.
Yeah, quarterback. I mean, Houston's got half an old line now.
Yeah. I like that Gladstone, I have no idea how good he's going to be.
I mean, it seems like he has... McVay loves him.
McVay does love him.

Said he was a dog.

But he is a little bit like... McVay got hired too early by the Rams,

but they were like, he's special and

we don't care. We'll work with it because...

What do you mean too early?

30 years old!

I mean, but...

No, but like, when the Rams are

interviewing him, everyone said the same thing. They're like, he is, he's not ready, he's too young, but we have to hire him because we might lose him.
And I'm sort of like, why would you hire a 29? But it turned out to be one of the best times. Les Snead said that when we had him on the show last week.
He was like, in retrospect, we probably should have hired him earlier. So we probably should have hired him when he was 28.
God, Les does so many things that seem at the time to make zero sense and then just crushes it. Matt's a scientist.
F him poo. He's done? He's probably got to take a piss.
Yeah. Oh.
We have been standing here for a very long time. Or poop.
Or poop. He could have to poop.
I think he had steak and eggs this morning. That's kind of a recipe for a...
Little fettuccine Alfredo right after. Yeah, exactly.
That's kind of

a big dump recipe.

That's going to happen.

We got six minutes left. I don't know if he's going to come back.

Do we have to say goodbye to him if he doesn't come back?

No. I don't think so.

You're running the show.

Whatever you're running. You're

steering this boat. You should call me Chef.

Who'd you call? Oh, no. God damn it.

We went to the whole show. We're so close.
We were so close. What the fuck, man? Wow.
That hurts. Fucking bullshit.
You did it to me on air. That's loud, man.
Somewhere in the room. Austin guy, too.
We were at the league meetings last year. I remember it.
It hurt my soul. I'm sorry, Raphsheet.
You know how I feel about you. I appreciate that.
I fucked up.

Yeah, listen.

I fucked up.

You got to own it.

That's, I mean.

Hand up.

No excuses.

I fucked up.

It's all right. You know, when I was covering in the locker room,

you always appreciated those guys who give up a big play

and stand up and go, that's on me.

That's on me.

That's what I do.

I've never shied away from that.

I cheated on my math project when I was in high school. Teacher called me out.
Did you really? Oh, yeah. You cheated on it? Copied the whole thing.
Stop. No, you did not.
Oh, yeah. Did you get caught? Yeah.
What? I got caught. Mr.
Pine pulled me in. How'd you get caught? It was bar for bar, my friend.
It was the exact same thing as someone else in my class and mr pine called me in and i said i fucked up i got a zero you got a zero i got a zero yeah he didn't even give you the answers right that like you had on your own it was all just oh every i didn't do one thing i basically changed the names on it and then i submitted it and then I just kind of ate that bullet. Hand up.
I fucked up. Okay.
That's what I said. Mr.
Pye was like honestly respect because I did this with three other people that cheated and they all denied it and you're the only one that said I fucked up. That is amazing.
That being said, you're going to get a zero in detention for a month. Got a zero.
I already notified your parents.

You're going to have to ace the final to pass this class.

I said, all right, Mr. Pine, that's business, baby.

Notified the parents.

God.

Yeah, that was tough.

That was tough, you know, going home.

Didn't get ice cream that night.

Tell you that much.

But, I mean, that's the risk you take when you cheat.

Don't cheat, kids. That's the lesson here.
Don't cheat. Or don't get caught.
Yeah, I would say that'd be the other. Well, that was the only time I got caught.
You don't want to hear about my Latin class. No, certainly don't.
Wonderful lady taught that one. This is, you know, all a stupid conversation, though.
I mean, I would say that's probably. I apologize for calling you that.
Thank you. No, I don't think we'll ever...
I can't come back from that. I think we've done a great job today of carrying this through.
You too. Great work.
You too are. Great work.
I appreciate it. It's always fun to hang out with you guys.
It's the best part of my day. Yeah, it is a good time.
All right. That's all we got.
Yep. What do we need to keep an eye out for? Hold on.
I'm listening to my ear. All right.
Keep an eye out for? I'm glad you mentioned it. Pat McAfee is going to be on Raw.
4 o'clock on Netflix. Hell yeah.
I will be watching. Yep.
Obviously, like I always do. I'm a huge wrestling fan, as you guys know.
I think the Twin Towers are going to be on tonight. Sure.
That's my only wrestling reference. Who the fuck is that? That was an old wrestling tag team.
Don't look at me. I'm pretty new to it.
Hulk Hogan, I think, is... Anyway, you asked where we were watching for.
Before we go, real quick. Where the heck is Aaron Rodgers going to sign? Where does Russell Wilson go after that? Which direction? Okay.
That's the big boss man. No, they were the...
Is that a near con? Oh, man. That kind of does look like him a bit.
The boss man's outfit was just... I cannot comment on that.
Oh my god. It actually is.
I've never seen that guy in the same room as me. That's Akeem, right? Is he both? I mean...
The ultimate in racial appropriation there. Or ethical appropriation.
Anyway, what do the Titans do at 1? These are my storylines for the next month. What do the Titans do at one? Do they decide to pick?

If not, do the Giants come up?

And then where the heck

is everyone going to get drafted?

Plenty to carry us through

over the next month.

Thank you guys for joining us.

You guys rock.

You make me feel at home

and I love hanging out with you.

Join us tomorrow

when the actual host,

Pat McAfee,

will hopefully be here

assuming his JetBlue flight

makes it on time.

Thank you very much for joining us.

Take care. has your back.
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