PMS 2.0 1278 - Michael Lombardi, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Orlovsky, Coach Chuck Pagano, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome. On this Aaron Rodgers Thursday, January 16th, 2025, this program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football! It is wonderful. We'll be talking to Aaron in the second hour.

Speaker 1 We'll be talking to the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Hill football team, Michael Lombardi, who's been a topic of conversation in football, obviously, because he's been refuting basically every single narrative that Bill Belichick is trying to get back to the NFL, even even though he's currently the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Heroes, where Lombo is the general manager.

Speaker 1 I think the reason why Lombo is so aggressively open against it is because there's probably a lot of college teams that are utilizing Bill Belichick's going to the NFL, Bill Belichick's going to the NFL as a recruiting advantage against North Carolina.

Speaker 1 So as they're trying to build their team through the transfer portal and put everything together down there in North Carolina, all anybody's seeing reports all over the place is that Bill Belichick's trying to get to the NFL.

Speaker 1 Bill Belichick's trying to get to the NFL. That'll certainly be used against North Carolina whenever you're recruiting somebody.
And all you need is a good class. You get a good class.

Speaker 1 You can flip an entire program, which is exactly what Bill and Lombeau are trying to do down there in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 I think it's logical for people to expect Bill Belichick to be like, okay, I'm done with the college thing. I went to a couple high schools.
I did some negotiating with 17-year-olds.

Speaker 1 I've been talking to 50 different agents and managers and now the college world, what it is.

Speaker 1 I could be done with that and go back to the NFL, especially with the job openings and what people are looking for this coaching cycle, seemingly versus other coaching cycles of the past.

Speaker 1 So it's all very believable, these reports that are being thrown out there. We'll ask Lombo his thoughts on it in about 20 minutes or so.
I cannot wait to chat with him. Yes.

Speaker 1 I love conversating with Lombo. I had no idea until yesterday that he started some shit at NFL films whenever he was on our show.
That is Lombo Football. He is wide open.

Speaker 1 He has been great as a podcast host, as an author, as a live show host, as a daily newsletter writer, because he has a lot of thoughts, a lot of opinions, a lot of knowledge, and also a lot of experience in football more so than anybody that's talking shit about him on a regular basis

Speaker 1 so i can't wait to hear what he has to say in about 20 minutes and then aaron roggers obviously southern california native everything that's going on with the fire i believe he had to evacuate we'll catch up with that with him and then also what's he doing yeah

Speaker 1 what's he doing next year

Speaker 1 What are his thoughts next year? There's a lot of conversations because remember, he's open to anything, attached to nothing, I believe is the exact quote.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of ifs that have been put into place for him to have to answer questions.

Speaker 1 If he wants to come back to play, if the New York Jets want him back, if that is going to be the case, then maybe he plays for the New York Jets next year.

Speaker 1 If he wants to come back to play, if the Jets don't want him back, then all of a sudden he's part of the QB market where there's going to be seven different spots, allegedly, that are going to be looking for a quarterback.

Speaker 1 And then there's only a few college guys that they're saying are NFL ready or NFL caliber quarterbacks coming through the draft.

Speaker 1 And then you've got a lot of maybe that second, third chapter free agent quarterback, just like we saw the, you know, the resurgence of the Renaissance man baker mayfield down there and then sam donnold who we thought okay 45 50 million dollars a year maybe with his second coming over there in minnesota he'll be a free agent russell wilson will be back on the market kirk cousins potentially will be back on the market although all signs are leading to that being the case and then if you look at drew lock daniel jones jimmy g i mean that's all these are all the names that are going to be out there seven jobs potentially open maybe more, maybe less.

Speaker 1 We shall see. And then you look at the college guys, everybody's talking about Shadur, Jalen Milro, quinn yours cam ward nobody's talking about will howard nope except for us

Speaker 1 and i didn't talk about will howard all year i didn't talk about will howard last year when he was the big 12 player of the year at kansas state and went to overtime against this texas team uh as a kansas state wildcat and what he has done and and with these eyes With these eyes, what I've seen him do, how he has led, how he was perfect.

Speaker 1 And he hasn't even ran that much this year in this Chip Kelly offense because they don't need it because all the weapons they have on the outside, Kansas State, he was running all over the place.

Speaker 1 6'3, 240. 6'3, 240.
And he obviously has weapons.

Speaker 1 That's a bucket. I mean, he just dropped the right in to a bucket.
He's able to read defenses, make the right. That's a ball.
That's an NFL throw right there.

Speaker 1 And also, something we got to see that not everybody else gets to see. I saw this guy coming out of the tunnel.

Speaker 2 We're talking about sticking.

Speaker 1 We're talking about

Speaker 1 swag. Yeah, we're talking about a little bit of,

Speaker 1 you know, gum. play.

Speaker 1 We're talking a little. He's got some guts act.
Had a shyste on whenever he's playing against Tennessee. Obviously, no sleeves.
It's like, I like this guy. I like him a lot.
One half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Dad. Cowboys AP tone.
You said you did a mock draft. You picked him up in the fourth round.
They're talking about this quarterback draft class not being great.

Speaker 1 And then they're not mentioning this guy's name. Doesn't make sense to me, but you did your mock draft, got him in the fourth round.
I think Mel Kuyper's projecting him to be in the fourth round.

Speaker 1 I am baffled by that, especially with what he's been doing on the biggest stages that you can get in college ball in the history of college ball throughout these 12 televiss.

Speaker 2 Yeah, personally, I drafted him today in the fourth round for the Pittsburgh Steelers on PFF's mock draft.

Speaker 1 Congratulations. I think that's Steel.

Speaker 2 I thought it was the Steel too, but it turns out, judging by the replies, he's a very, very polarizing figure on the internet.

Speaker 2 It was either, hey, that's a great pick, or this guy's the worst human being of all time. I don't know why Will Howard's so polarizing.
Maybe just because he plays for Ohio State.

Speaker 2 I think he's a good quarterback. I think he's the potential to be a great quarterback based off of, you know, arm strength, highs, sorry, size, height, all those intangibles that you talk about.

Speaker 2 And he's a leader. Like we've talked about it.
He is a,

Speaker 2 when he got the

Speaker 2 concussion, not concussion against Michigan and was just spritting up and down the sideline, this guy's got a bit of a pizzazz to him as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the concussion against Michigan, potentially why, you know, I mean, that's, you talk about their season and what is the downfall? Well, obviously he has that situation against Oregon.

Speaker 1 Okay, so hold that against him. Then they lose to Michigan.
Okay, hold that against him. How do you respond in the biggest moment? Oh, you choke, you choke against Oregon.
He choked.

Speaker 1 The guy couldn't execute in the highest pressure. Has he now in these different situations? I think Will Howard deserves a lot more respect.

Speaker 1 Let's go to the talks at the table at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Great to see you boys.
You boys have seen him live. And

Speaker 1 this is just like when you see Drake May.

Speaker 1 You see Drake May and it's like, wow, that baby face, you don't think. especially with how he moves.
You don't think how big he is.

Speaker 1 Then we run into him in a hotel during college game day, whenever we had North Carolina game. And I'm looking like this at this guy.
I'm like, I did not know. I did not know it was built like this.

Speaker 1 And then Will Howard, same exact. I mean, you're looking up at Will Howard.
He's a massive strapping lad.

Speaker 1 It's a wild time, but he's got his team in the national championship. Riley Leonard hasn't been talked about as a guy.

Speaker 1 And I think it's strictly because of his arm and how he throws and everything like that. He's not the only quarterback in the history of college that hasn't had the greatest arm coming out.

Speaker 1 It's just like, feels like a couple guys haven't been talked about.

Speaker 1 Feels like the draft class as a whole has been talked about as being shite, which I don't think is fair uh because who knows who's going to be good who knows who's going to be terrible yeah i mean there's top five picks at quarterback position who stink and then there's guys 199.

Speaker 1 it's like how do you know who's good well the way they throw it it's like the only thing that matters is in here brother This is the only thing that matters at that position.

Speaker 1 Have to be able to make throws.

Speaker 1 Have to be able to do it. But how's the work ethic? How's the leadership? How's the football love? And then how can you dissect defenses? And how can you show up in the biggest moments?

Speaker 1 I think Riley Leonard and Will Howard at this point have showed up in the biggest of moments thus far. Obviously, another opportunity on Monday night in the national championship.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and they can both move, which is awesome. I feel like you have to have that going into the NFL now, especially at the quarterback position.

Speaker 4 But when you talk about the biggest moments, like also some of the biggest teams, like Tennessee, the big takeaway when we watched them all year was like their defense flies around.

Speaker 1 They focus.

Speaker 4 They play hard and they hit. Yeah, and they dominated Tennessee, and granted, at home in the Colds, whatever.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's a strike right there.

Speaker 1 That is a strike right there.

Speaker 4 Absolute seed. And there's some of those all over the place.
And look who he's playing against Oregon. Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 The the best team all season, one of the best offenses and defenses that they probably went against all year. And he's leading that team against, you know, the best offense and defense.

Speaker 4 So I assume he has a, you know, a say in getting the team ready as far as pregame, getting the boys hyped up. And then, of course, the last game.

Speaker 4 Like, Texas was one of the bigger, best teams that we all saw.

Speaker 1 Very expensive. A lot of pros.

Speaker 4 A lot of pros on that team. A lot of money.
money gone into that team. You know, you talk about, you know, the teams that benefited from everyone talking about Ohio State State spending 20 million.

Speaker 4 Texas was one of those teams because they probably spent upwards, if not more than 20 million to get the guys to retire.

Speaker 1 Everybody that's left, they spent at least 20 million. Exactly.
And that was probably goes back one round. And I think we just didn't know that everybody was going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 Not everybody is able to do that. The teams that are, though,

Speaker 1 certainly going to have quite an advantage.

Speaker 1 You're seeing them around right now. April 8th ruling.
We'll see how that goes. Joining us here is a man who's an absolute legend, not only on these parts, but the entire football landscape.

Speaker 4 For For sure.

Speaker 1 36 years in football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagona.
Yeah, Coach. Hey, Coach, you just heard us break down, Will Howard.

Speaker 1 I think you've been watching the games alongside of us for these college football playoffs, and then you're watching those highlights. I see you say that looks like it.
That looks like a.

Speaker 1 Why do you think he's not being chatted about? And what do you think it takes for a college quarterback to be great in the NFL?

Speaker 1 Well, when you were talking about him this morning, I went and pulled up on my iPad. You said, hey, check him out.
So I went and watched that Oregon game. Did he miss a pass?

Speaker 1 What was his completion percentage no he was great high

Speaker 1 i mean because all those throws are are spot on they're all runner's balls they're not behind

Speaker 1 it's four degrees out here it's a lot of snow more snow than we could have fathomed here

Speaker 1 it's not as fine in the seravo

Speaker 1 it looked like the front

Speaker 1 or green bay whatever or minnesota cold ass text indianapolis not normally a snow place because it's so windy you know so normally it's the crop snow. It's thin snow.
You're not snowball shining.

Speaker 1 Wintery mix. Yeah, it's only quick in, quick out.
You normally are able to see just grass. It's only frozen.
You don't normally see. Snow's been sticking around this year and cold as shit.
Shite.

Speaker 1 So I hope you're able to battle through today with your voice. No, we're good.
We're good. So he met, so this looks like another big bend, right? So if there's,

Speaker 1 there's still going to be a handful of, you know, offensive systems like Goff in Detroit right now with... with Ben Johnson, right?

Speaker 1 That want a pocket passer, want a big, tall, like, is this guy, when you stood stood next to him, does he look like

Speaker 1 Andrew Law? Like big, strong, physical. 2-4.
So he's got all the metrics. It looks like he can process and he can read a defense because he knows where to go with the ball.

Speaker 1 He throws a pretty ball. He's a good enough athlete to get out of cover.
Watch this, watch this. Watch him celebrate with the boys.
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Speaker 1 And to me, that's the biggest thing. Like, so.
We've made a ton of mistakes on quarterbacks over the year, everybody, right?

Speaker 1 But the one thing you don't want to make a mistake on is the football IQ, the football character.

Speaker 1 So who's the guy that steps in a huddle where like all of his teammates, like you can tell, you can go to a game, you can go to a practice, and you can just watch the body language and you can watch his teammates around him, how they respond to him.

Speaker 1 Is there like, is he a guy? That's it. He's got it.
Is he a guy? So everybody says it.

Speaker 1 So you go to those practices, you go to those games, and you can see it, like the way his teammates respond and the way they rally around him and how he, you know, celebrates with his teammate.

Speaker 1 Like you can see a guy like guys, like, they score a touchdown, like, nobody's around him, or he goes by himself, like, that guy said. Nobody went to his party.
Nobody won. No, yeah.
Nobody won.

Speaker 1 So it looks like he has it. Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 And from Guinea, I mean, as he was doing that celebration, he literally just was staring through my soul because I do believe I picked against them in that particular game.

Speaker 1 No, no, you picked XFPs one of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so basically he was looking over at us, though, and it's like he has a handshake with all his teammates, all of them. He's brand new, and he's played so much football.

Speaker 1 He has played five years now of football at a very, I mean, it's a lot of plays. So people talk like, why was Bo Nicks able to succeed so much? It's like he played a lot of football.
60 stars.

Speaker 1 A lot of football. Accurate, too.
He was able to complete a lot of passes. You just talked about that.
C.J. Stroud.
Why was C.J. Stroud? Played a lot of football.
Jayden Daniels, a lot of football.

Speaker 1 Like, this dude has played a lot of college ball.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that's going to be an abnormal thing going forward because I think a lot more people are sticking around because NIL money is more than rookie year money, even though second-year money, third-year money, fourth-year year money, second contract money are in a stratosphere that no NIL will able to ever be able to get to.

Speaker 1 So you're kind of delaying your path to that, but you're certainly getting paid a lot more money than you probably would your rookie season as a salary.

Speaker 1 So I think it's going to keep guys in playing more football. But it's like, I think this guy's special right here.

Speaker 1 I think this dude is a guy. I think he's a guy.
And the fact that I think the draft process, because they're putting him in the fourth round, I think he's going to have to go through the combine.

Speaker 1 He's going to have to grind it out. Like, he's going to have to do very well.
That's a big day for him. I think his pro day is going to have to be a big day.

Speaker 1 I think his interviews are going to have to go very well.

Speaker 1 You know, some quarterbacks at this stage, especially with the amount of success that he has had, certainly with what his team is having now, even though Riley Leonard on the other side is like, I play law football too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do we?

Speaker 1 I'm a lead. My guys love me.
Duke. What I've been able to do.
Yeah, Duke and Notre Dame. It's like, they're thinking the same exact thing.

Speaker 1 I think this year, this draft process, we're going to have to see these guys prove themselves. And it's the first time we've seen that in a long time.
It's quarterback position tie.

Speaker 5 Well, we'll see.

Speaker 5 I mean, like, everything obviously changes if he goes to the combine and runs like a 4-7 or like a 4-6-5 you know then i feel like that's one of those things where it's like oh okay maybe he's much more athletic than than we thought he is but do you think because the chip kelly offense he hasn't been moving much i think so they say big mayonnaise

Speaker 1 exactly exactly

Speaker 5 exactly at the speed of nothing we've talked about it a little bit like he definitely gets dinged for being at oh state and for them having as much talent as they had but like look at when he was at kansas state like he there was a couple guys that went to the NFL, but he wasn't playing with, you know, the type of roster he is now.

Speaker 5 And you still have to, like,

Speaker 5 it's not like, I mean, granted, Ohio State brought him in and he was going to be the starter, but you still have to earn that.

Speaker 5 And when you're playing around a bunch of other five-stars, for him to be like the de facto, like we've seen him doing these games, like the way he is on the sideline, his energy, and it's not just with the offense, it's with the defense.

Speaker 5 We saw the way he was, you know, getting in Jack Sawyer's face and pumping him up after the scooping score for the touchdown.

Speaker 5 Like, I think that's also very impressive, and that's something that gets discounted a little bit.

Speaker 5 Like, it is his first year at Ohio State, you know, and there's no guarantee that he would come in and just immediately get his teammates' respect and love and admiration, especially when they had the kind of season that they did where, you know, the sky was falling after Michigan.

Speaker 5 They lose to the, like, you know, they lose the Oregon game. Like, him kind of being level-headed and keeping it and saying, hey, everything's still out in front of us.
That's massive.

Speaker 5 And then for him to come out and play his best football of the season, like, I think no matter what, I think he is a lot better.

Speaker 5 We personally, after seeing him live in person the last several weeks, it's like, what's going on here? But I think no matter what, he's made himself a lot of money in this playoff.

Speaker 1 I think, and well deserved. And to your point about the sky falling, after that Michigan loss, his teammates all paid a lot of money,

Speaker 1 all five stars, thinking, man, we wasted this year with this guy. You could turn on him.
Legit. But instead, they didn't.
And obviously could have turned on Ryan Day. They didn't.

Speaker 1 They kind of stuck together and rallied whenever the outside certainly lost a lot of hope in what was possible for them. I love this dude.
And Riley, too.

Speaker 1 Like after that Northern Illinois game, he obviously wrote about it in the Players Tribune, about having to get a cop, take him home, and where he was.

Speaker 1 He went late in the indoor facility because of how depressed he was. Felt like he let down Notre Dame and how they've responded and followed behind him.

Speaker 1 I like the fact that these two quarterbacks in a position that they're in, that they're going to have to go prove it, not only on Monday night, but going into the NFL.

Speaker 1 I think you have something about the draft process.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like those two, you talked about proving it. Those two are both going to the senior bowl.
So that we'll both, we'll see both of them there at the senior bowl.

Speaker 2 We're also going to see Jackson Dart, Dylan Gabriel, and Jalen Miller all at the senior bowl. So it's like one of those years where these guys do have to go out and prove themselves.

Speaker 2 So we're not going to see these guys sitting out not throwing at things. We're going to see them a lot over the next few months before the draft.

Speaker 1 Which will kind of inevitably help them.

Speaker 4 Like they're not going to go to a terrible situation.

Speaker 1 Potentially.

Speaker 3 Potentially, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a chance during this draft process, and I'm picking Will Howard, but let's say it's somebody else, somebody in the interviews. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some coach that's like, hey, are we going to let somebody else feel the same way we feel about this person? And that's quarterback position.

Speaker 1 That's when you see movement to potentially get drafted. But to your point, if it stays how it stays right now, it's like you potentially get drafted second, third round to a good team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, 20, even end of the first round. Like, if we're talking about the Steelers as a team, looking for a quarterback, like that'd be a great situation to go to.

Speaker 4 And you can say whatever you want about the Steelers, but like they have a great defense, and that would be a good football town to end up in, no matter matter what you want to say about the Steelers, Tone.

Speaker 4 But still, any of those teams

Speaker 4 that might be QB needy, you know, and I wouldn't throw the Jets in there just because of all the things that have happened with the Jets and kind of what it's surrounded.

Speaker 4 And we don't know what's happening with Aaron. And we don't know what's happening with Aaron yet.

Speaker 4 But like you talk about a team with, you know, a good defense, a great running back, a great wide receiver.

Speaker 4 Like there are situations out there where if you're a quarterback like one of these guys who isn't regarded as one of the top five picks, top 10 picks in the draft, that you could end up in a great situation and set up to succeed in the NFL.

Speaker 1 You've been a part of the draft process a lot more than I have on the inside. Is there a chance somebody like really impresses and they move up, especially at the quarterback position?

Speaker 1 That's most important position. in the NFL.
A team will certainly use a first rounder on a quarterback that they hope and think will be something special.

Speaker 1 How much movement can happen during that draft process for a guy like Will or Riley or any of these guys that aren't being Jalen Milro even?

Speaker 1 What is the draft process like and how much can people move? I think there are a bunch happen, especially after

Speaker 1 you go through

Speaker 1 all-star games, you go through the combine, and then you start the interview process and then you have 30-30s.

Speaker 1 So I think once these guys figure out who these guys are, so I don't know what the knock is on Will Howard.

Speaker 1 I don't know why he's sitting there as a potential fourth rounder, if there's something off the field. Tone, you mentioned he's got a baby face.
He looks too young for

Speaker 1 no beers. He's going to get carted if he buys beers from the boys.
Well, we've had some young-looking people come into these programs and do okay, you know, just because of that.

Speaker 1 But yeah, there's, I mean, because it only takes one, right? Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. So it only takes one.
So yes, things can change.

Speaker 1 Kid can come in. He can just totally knock the socks off of everybody in your organization, even on a top 30.
Like, okay, wow, this guy. And then as soon as they get to break down

Speaker 1 and listen to him dissect the film, I'm sure like Sean Payton, when he went and did Bo, and he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, okay, this is the next human that I want to work with.

Speaker 1 He's got it, like, because of this, and you hear about how complex that offense is and just the play calling, and that Bo doesn't even have a, doesn't do a risk.

Speaker 1 He memorizes every, like Andrew did that. He's 35 years old.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Andrew did that.
Yeah. And these play calls go from this wall to that wall.
Yeah. And there's...
like 10,000 on a play sheet. You see these play sheets, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have no idea how they do just dad. You've been on defensive side of the ball the entire time.
I don't know how these paper guys do. But dad, okay, now identify the defense too.

Speaker 1 Who's the mic? What's the protection going to be? Oh, I have motion two. Okay, bring this guy

Speaker 1 and then bring this one and then snap the ball. Remember the snap count.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, what's it on? So I just called this, what are we on? Okay, we're on two. Okay, good, cool.

Speaker 1 And then snap the ball, and then all the guys are doing all this, and then figure out, okay, it was covered two that they were.

Speaker 1 I told the story of Andrew Luck luck showing up first day delayed spring because he had to graduate to be a engineer or something like that architect oh yeah architectural engineer i think yeah both an engineer and one building

Speaker 1 there were several degrees i think yeah there were all of them happening so like stanford real school so they weren't like no you can't do this like just wrap this up and then you can go to otas so he was late to otas it was like a week and a half just a lot yeah it was like a week and a half two weeks of otas which is a lot of onfield stuff but his first day there he made a check that was at the end of the playbook and nobody else had it.

Speaker 1 Like the offensive line had no fucking idea what he was talking about. Wide receivers had no idea what he was talking about.
And this is like his first day in the building.

Speaker 1 So he's like, check, check, check, goes to something. Everybody like looks at him.
What is that? And then Bruce Arians has to motherfuck him and say, well, no, no, we're not there yet.

Speaker 1 You son of a bitch. Like the whole, the whole thing like that.
And that was like his introduction to the team. And I think that was when we were all like, oh, okay, like this is the

Speaker 1 chosen. Yeah, yeah.
It's 100 level for everybody but him. He was already on 500.
And

Speaker 1 what? Looking up at him. Based on a bitch.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Avatar.

Speaker 4 And that's what kind of happened last year with Atlanta. Like, you could throw Pennix in there.

Speaker 4 And granted, Pennix was considered a first-round pick, but like no one, I think he was plus 2,000 to go to Atlanta at eight or nine, wherever he went.

Speaker 4 And like, that's a team who fell in love with the guy. Like, they paid Kirk Cousins $100 million guarantee, but they're like, hey, we love this kid.

Speaker 4 So why would we pass on a quarterback that we love when we know like Kirk Cousins isn't a 10-year, 12-year option?

Speaker 1 And nobody outside the building out of the nose the mentalists mentalists knew it was possible.

Speaker 1 To kind of put a wrap on this particular conversation before we bring in the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Hills football team, here's Will Howard talking about nobody talking about him.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 6 I try not to, but it does seep in a little bit.

Speaker 6 You know, obviously, you know, people say things and, you know, it feels like I just keep getting, you know, nobody really wants to give me a, you know, give me any credit, but, you know, I love that.

Speaker 6 You know, keep it, keep it coming, man.

Speaker 6 As much motivation as I can get, I'm going to take. And, you know, I love people challenging me and

Speaker 6 challenging this team because it keeps that chip on our shoulder and keeps that edge. And when we play like that, when we play like

Speaker 6 a little pissed off and

Speaker 6 have a little chip on our shoulder, I think that's good for us.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's Will Howard chit-chatting about loving it and listening to it and hearing it. Everybody hears everything these days.
We have found that out. Yeah.
We have found that out. Hard not to.

Speaker 1 Certainly. Yeah, whenever we run into somebody that we just so happen to potentially

Speaker 1 crack a joke about. Vice versa.
Yeah, and also, yeah, we are joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who has heard at NFL Films. He's heard around the league.
He's heard on the internet.

Speaker 1 He's heard on Live Air. He's read in books and heard in TED Talks.
And now he's a general manager of a college football team down there in beautiful North Carolina for the Tar Heels.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Yeah,

Speaker 1 how are we doing today? Hi, Zahn. How are you doing down there in North Carolina? Still doing college football, huh?

Speaker 7 We are doing good. We're out recruiting.
Everybody's on the road. Coach Belichick is on the road.
He's in D.C. today.

Speaker 7 In spite of all the stories trying to say that he's not working and here and contract, all that, Coach is on the road recruiting. He's in Baltimore.
He's in actually D.C. today.

Speaker 7 He'll be in Baltimore tomorrow. And we're trying to get some players to become Tar Heels.
We're excited.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk about all of this because there's so many different layers to this.

Speaker 1 Other teams that are recruiting the same guys that you guys are recruiting are definitely using these reports against you guys.

Speaker 1 I've assumed in recruiting, which is is why you have been so loud and adamant about the fact that you guys are committed to the North Carolina football team.

Speaker 1 Is that an accurate assessment on the situation?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I'm loud because I think so many of them, especially the one that keeps going on, is being generated by someone who doesn't like our program, doesn't like me or like Coach Belichick, and refuses to allow it to go.

Speaker 7 Parcels used to say to me all the time, quit kicking the horse, he's already dead. Well, they keep quick kicking something that doesn't exist, you know?

Speaker 7 And so it's click for their website, which is wonderful. And then they take shots at us as individuals.
But look, somebody has to stand up for our program, right?

Speaker 7 And somebody has to be able to put their voice into the program. Everyone says, well, why isn't Bill speaking out? Bill doesn't speak out.

Speaker 7 That's what I'm supposed to do as the general manager here is to let people know what's going on with our program. He's not going anywhere.
You know, contracts are very complicated.

Speaker 7 And I think if you understand the North Carolina system, it is a state institution it takes a while to get things done there's a lot of hurdles to go through but we're all getting paid I haven't signed my contract yet Pat I mean so this is just a complete story that people want to run with I've said this many times I was with Bill every day in the office during the fall we talked about every single NFL job that could open up and every time I would bring one up with hopes that he would be interested he shot it down he's where he wants to be and I know it's hard to get it through some of these thick people's heads that he wants to be somewhere else.

Speaker 7 Like, this is where he wants to be. And I am not just a spokesman, but I'm telling you exactly how it is.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it's a believable narrative, especially it's what you hear from all the older coaches in college ball about how miserable it is having to do college football.

Speaker 1 But what Bill was pitching to us was basically like, hey, it's pro football now. This has actually been our wheelhouse more so than it's ever been probably, right?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't have an owner that's going to come down here and tell me what to do. I don't have an owner's son who's going to tell me we need to look at pro football focus more often.

Speaker 7 I don't have any of that, right? I don't have that. I can watch tape.
I can look at players. We can recruit.
I mean, it's really the perfect.

Speaker 7 And he can build this program and he can impact young men more the future and for today. And if you want to be a pro player and you want to understand what a pro organization looks like, here we are.

Speaker 7 All this nonsense. Well, they haven't hired any coaches and the ACC is nervous.
Oh, they're nervous, all right. We hired, I hired a whole personnel department over here.
They're winding tape.

Speaker 7 We built a whole pro organization with a pro grading system and they're all over there grinding tape. And then we've hired coaches as we go along.

Speaker 7 I don't understand how people can keep generating a story that has no story to it.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you've agreed to terms, right? You've agreed to terms on a contract, you and Bill both with North Carolina. That has to get approved by a lot of different parties.

Speaker 1 So we kind of got that figured out. College ball isn't more miserable for you guys.

Speaker 1 You actually see it the opposite way because you don't have to deal with a looming billionaire who has different ideas.

Speaker 1 Recruiting, he's on the road right now, doesn't hate it at all, actually likes it?

Speaker 7 No, loves it. I mean, he really enjoys it, and the reception's been wonderful.
You know, it's been really good. He goes out there, he meets all the kids, and then we've been able to put some

Speaker 7 offers. We haven't been.
We've kind of got, we came in here behind. You know, we need to build a draft board or a high school board.

Speaker 7 We need to build a portal board, and we're trying to do it on a line-item basis, which is difficult, but we will find smart, tough, dependable kids that want to be a part of a pro program.

Speaker 7 There's plenty of them out there.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that jot that went off. We're checking a lot of these boxes here that would make sense on why Bill would want to go.

Speaker 1 You haven't got a complete coaching staff yet, but you have an entire pro personnel group, which I think is very new for college ball.

Speaker 1 So what you're saying is instead of reporting that we've actually pieced together the most important part of modern ball, you keep reporting about the coaching staffs.

Speaker 1 We'll get to that is kind of the thought, right? There's a process here and what we need to do, a timeline on it all?

Speaker 7 Yeah. Well, first of all, people don't understand the NFL rules, right? So after two weeks when coaches are not in the playoffs, you can actually go talk to them if they're free agents.

Speaker 7 So we wanted to wait and see how many coaches who are going to become, who are working in the NFL, who want to be here. And our phones have a lot of contacts on that.

Speaker 7 And then also we wanted to see what some of the college coaches who were available. We thought building a staff was probably the last thing we needed to do.

Speaker 7 We needed to improve the talent pool here at North Carolina. That was really important to us.
And so we needed to build a system of operation within this department.

Speaker 7 We needed processes and systems put in place so that we're just not randomly offering players. And we had to hire certain people to get that.
Then we had to hire a strength coach, right?

Speaker 7 So we hired the New England, former New England strength coach Moses. He's down here.
And then he had to hire a staff. And now his entire staff is in place.

Speaker 7 And so now we we can start our off-season program.

Speaker 7 Hiring the receiver coach, hiring the O-line coach, we were going to wait until the time was right until we got everybody in the building so that all the staffs could work together, interview those people at one time.

Speaker 7 We're not just throwing this out there. This is well thought out.
I mean, the guy's won six Super Bowls. He's put together a staff before.

Speaker 1 Okay, so on all of those notes there, I think in college ball, the position coaches can't even really coach yet.

Speaker 1 Anyways, the weight room is the most important part because that is the off-season program in there.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to get a staff before, obviously, the football aspect of it all comes back into the college calendar. On that note, Coach Pagano has a couple questions.

Speaker 1 Hey, Lamba, I'm sure a lot of the pushback, you know, the narratives, the talk about Bill, you know, the contract and going back to the National Football League, until you do get a bunch of coaches hired, I'm sure you're having to go into these high schools and these homes.

Speaker 1 You're talking to these recruits, and they're asking you, okay, we know who the defensive coordinator is going to be, right? It's going to be Steve. Who's the D-line coach? Who is the O-line coach?

Speaker 1 Who's the receiver coach? You guys know. You have a good idea.
I see you guys brought in Mike Prefer. Now,

Speaker 1 what a get that is. I mean, you've got 20-plus years of experience at the National Football League, right, coaching at the I love Coach Prefer.

Speaker 1 I thought he was unbelievable when he was coaching special teams. So you got a good one there.
Talk to us a little bit about that one.

Speaker 1 And then just how you're defending, you know, Bill, and the rest of your

Speaker 1 process about hiring guys and why you're taking so long and how you're, you know, keeping these coaches and these high school,

Speaker 1 you know, keep them on the hook so people aren't killing you and recruiting with that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, Coach Prefer, you know, a Naval Academy graduate would put him at the top of the list for Coach Belichick, so that's important. And, you know, all the NFL experience.

Speaker 7 Plus, for your special teams, coach, you want somebody that understands player personnel because it's, as you guys all know, it's a matchup game.

Speaker 7 You know, you want to make sure you have the right guys in the kicking game. And I think gutting coach here is outstanding.

Speaker 7 But I don't think people truly understand about Coach Belichick and the system that he's put in place. It's a head coach driven system.

Speaker 7 So everything that we do here starts and ends with the head coach's offense. That doesn't mean nobody has a voice.
We all have a voice.

Speaker 7 We all have the ability to share our information, but everything is being channeled through him. We're not an independent contractor organization.

Speaker 7 The wide receiver coach isn't going to just arbitrarily pick all the players he wants and not tell anybody. Or the D-line coach.
This is going to be a process like the NFL.

Speaker 7 We're going to build a board and ultimately Coach Belichick and myself, we're going to grade all the players who we offer scholarships to and then we're going to go out and recruit them.

Speaker 7 So we're a different model than a lot of teams where the head coach is somewhat of a overseer. No, our head coach runs the entire program and I think we have to explain that to kids.

Speaker 7 We have to explain that, yes,

Speaker 7 you're going to have a relationship with your receiver coach or your running back coach. But the reality of it is, if that coach leaves, we're not changing our systems.

Speaker 7 We're not changing our protocols. We're not changing our process.
We're going to get someone who's going to come in and fulfill the requirements of that job because the head coach is still here.

Speaker 7 That's the part we have to drive home. I think that's unique in college football.

Speaker 1 Watching film, you feel like you guys got a great advantage. I mean, I assume Bill hasn't even gotten into, he said, I think I was just watching as a fan, the playoffs or something like that.

Speaker 1 He hasn't. dove into the film yet.

Speaker 1 And obviously Bill has had to do a lot of for the draft process, watching film and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have your strategy pretty much figured out on what you're looking for, how you want to build a team to make it successful down there?

Speaker 7 It's the same as the pro. I mean, we want the same thing.
Obviously, we're dealing with younger players. We've got to do a better job of projecting.

Speaker 7 There's a tight end that we're recruiting in Western North Carolina who plays tight end. He looks like he could be a dynamic center.

Speaker 7 So, you know, we have to project players into different positions because these are still young men. They're not grown up.

Speaker 7 It's not as easy as throw the Tennessee tape on and watch the right tackle and see if he's going to play right tackle in the NFL.

Speaker 7 You've got to do some projections of this and look at the player and say, where is he going to be in two years? Especially at the high school quarterback level. You know, there's so much shotgun.

Speaker 7 Where's the guy's rhythm? How's he throwing the football? So everything we're doing, we scout inside out, not outside in.

Speaker 7 We're going to find players that fit the systems that are generated from Coach Belichick that we want to run here at North Carolina.

Speaker 7 And that's why we're going to continue this program in a sustainable fashion. So we know what we're looking for at each position, whether it's the center, whether it's the right tackle, left tackle.

Speaker 7 They all have a job description that we want and traits that we're looking for in those positions.

Speaker 1 How's it been going talking to these players that you're looking to fit into the positions that you need? Hey, we need this type of guy here. We need this type of guy here.

Speaker 1 Then you obviously find the film. You're a pro personnel department.
We need to find this type of guy. Who are they? Then you go and recruit them.

Speaker 1 I assume there's a lot of, you said positive reception. I assume just like NFL guys feel good whenever Bill comes into a press conference and compliments them.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's probably a pretty pretty good feeling for these dudes and their families whenever you guys walk in and say, hey, we think you would be a guy that would fit in well in our program.

Speaker 1 And then you sell him on a program. How has the reception been? How much of it is money-based too?

Speaker 1 Are you guys still having to obviously battle with that entire aspect of what college ball is right now?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, like I tell every kid that comes up to my office looking for an NIL deal. Look, don't be shy.
Come in here. This is professional football.

Speaker 7 You know, if you're going to do the contract yourself. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 Hey, I don't want to stop you right there. Are you helping them with business too? I think that's something something that needs to happen.

Speaker 1 I think there's something that needs to happen for a stand up for themselves.

Speaker 7 I'm not saying I'm going to tell them yes to what they want, but they're going to have to have enough guts to walk in the room and say, This is what I'm looking for. That's part of growing up.

Speaker 7 That's part of being a professional. We are a professional business, and the relationship that they and I have has to be based purely on honesty.
I can't lie to any of these kids.

Speaker 7 They may not hear what I want to hear, tell them what they want to hear, but I'm going to tell them the truth based on what I see. And so, that's part of this whole thing.

Speaker 7 I really believe that that's the kind of culture we're in. And that's what makes it a lot easier.
And these young kids, you know, they're impressionable. They see pro football, all that.

Speaker 7 What makes it so unique for us to explain our system is we can take Bill's done this many times. Take a young kid who wants to play slot receiver, for example.

Speaker 7 All right, well, we'll just throw on some New England tape. You want to be a slot receiver? Here's the offense we run.
Watch Troy Brown. Watch Danny Amadola.
Watch Julian Edelman.

Speaker 7 You know, watch all these slot receivers. Watch Wes Welker.
We've had all these slot receivers. This is you playing.

Speaker 7 If you want to be an outside receiver, we have an outside receiver from Penn State coming in on Friday. You want to be an outside? Here's the routes Randy Moss ran.

Speaker 7 Here's what this looks like playing in this offense. Deion Branch played here.
So it's a lot easier to explain to the players. And it's, hey, look, Mike Rabel's the new head coach of the Patriots.

Speaker 7 We sign an outside linebacker with size. We'll put on the Patriot tape and show them what Rabel does.

Speaker 1 Wes Welker just got a job

Speaker 1 opening as well.

Speaker 1 And Rabel, depending upon who he decides or ends up making his offensive coordinator, a lot of those plays were being made by a guy named Josh McDaniel's at offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 He's available allegedly right now. Now, how that ends, I don't want to get into your guys' business, but it feels like you guys are going to be able to figure some things out.

Speaker 1 Hopefully, you're able to have success early because if you have success early, then it's a much easier sell. going forward.

Speaker 1 Then you almost get in the point where, you know, I think every program is trying to get like this, especially in this world, a little bit of a hometown discount, you know, about what the future looks like.

Speaker 1 If you're not getting that, you're not going to succeed. Kirby Smart's able to get that down.

Speaker 1 They're paying players, but Kirby Smart's able to get a hometown discount because they know you go to Georgia, there's a good chance you're going to win, and there's a good chance you're going to make 10 FL.

Speaker 1 Nick Saban was able to get that type of, you know, kind of respect from people. Hey, even though I'm not going to have a starting role here, I'm going to be a third stringer.

Speaker 1 I know that if I put in the work, I'm going to be able to become a pro, so I'm going to make this decision. as opposed to it.

Speaker 1 It's like, once you get the reputation, I know Bill Belichick already has that for being a successful genius and you, multiple times Super Bowl winner as well, have that thing.

Speaker 1 But if you can win quick, all these jobs get a lot easier. Like Marcus Freeman, being able to win quick gets much easier.

Speaker 1 If it's like, hey, we need four or five years to win, nobody's sticking with you. I mean, it is just, that's just how it is.
It's crazy time in college ball. I can't wait to watch you guys operate.

Speaker 1 I hope you do lend some advice business-wise to these guys, though, because we're in an entrepreneurial generation.

Speaker 1 Everybody can make their own money in their phone, in their pocket, you know, one way or another. I think you got a lot more hustlers.
I, as somebody who is

Speaker 1 utilized you as a sounding board for $100 million plus deals, multiple occasions, I think you'd be remiss if you didn't utilize that as a weapon too for this generation. Like, hey.

Speaker 7 We're going to do what we used to do in New England starting May 15th was we had the off-season program where all these young kids, they come from college and we take them through an entire program.

Speaker 7 First thing you want to do, if you get drafted in the NFL, first thing you want to do, lose your cell phone. Lose your cell phone because all of a sudden you got friends you never thought you had.

Speaker 7 So get a new cell phone number. So we're going to teach everybody the same program that we ran in New England on player development.
That's going to be an ongoing occurrence here.

Speaker 7 And we're also going to tap into, we've got an incredible leadership

Speaker 7 school here, Jim Coleman Leadership Center that we started, that Jim Coleman started in honor of his father.

Speaker 7 It's a tremendous part of the University of North Carolina system, and that's something that's near and dear to my heart.

Speaker 7 And we're going to teach, we teach leadership once a week to all the freshmen here on the campus. Kevin Donnelly, the former player for the Houston Oilers, he's part of our staff.

Speaker 7 He does that as well. So it's really about enhancing you on a professional level because we have to teach these kids that they're no longer amateurs, they're professionals.

Speaker 7 And it's all about how do you get there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I'm... Yeah, I think you should be talking to these people.
And that's a massive, that's, I mean, I didn't pay you any money.

Speaker 1 you know, and I guess that's kind of fucked up for me not doing that. But like, there's only two people I'm calling before I'm going in and negotiating or final negotiations.

Speaker 1 And it's you and Nick Kahn. And I think Nick Khan.
That's a good one. Yeah, exactly.
And so are you. I mean, these are the people that I get to call.
I'm very lucky that I'm able to do that.

Speaker 1 But like, there's been a couple of things where you've told me and how I should frame it in my mind, looking at it, that has been like a missing piece going into a presentation.

Speaker 1 And then just obviously the boys and I have benefited from it. So it's like, I think this generation is good with learning about that shit.
Like I think

Speaker 1 yeah, I think, but I think they're cool with learning about it.

Speaker 1 But I think there's a chance that if like they would be susceptible to people that don't know what they're talking about, talk about this particular world as well.

Speaker 1 You know, like I think anytime there's a massive amount of success to be had, there's always going to be leeches, you know, and there's a lot of leeches that have come into this NIO agency world, business world.

Speaker 1 And I know that you have to negotiate directly against these people. So it's kind of a tough spot for you to be in.

Speaker 1 But as you're negotiating with these guys, I hope you are at least informing them on why you're saying this and how a better way of going about it maybe in the future would be or something like that.

Speaker 1 Like, I hope there is that because I think you're a talent in that world, in that aspect, and you've been doing it a very long time.

Speaker 7 Well, thank you. I think it's really important for me to convince the kids they got to stand up for themselves and they got to speak for themselves.

Speaker 7 But also, I think it's really important that they understand that nobody is paying in any world, whether it's in the professional world or in college, for speculation.

Speaker 7 Everybody's paying for performance. Past performance predicts future achievement.

Speaker 7 And so if you have an ability to play well as a freshman, you're going to gradually work your way up the salary structure within a college framework.

Speaker 7 But if you haven't done anything, don't come knocking on my door looking for money because there's no performance. It's all based on performance and you got to do it.

Speaker 7 You're in a performance-based look. You wouldn't have the Ram truck advertisement there if there weren't great ratings, right? You know,

Speaker 7 it's all performance-based, you know, and you wouldn't be driving a beautiful Ram truck. I mean, that's all everything is based on performance.

Speaker 7 And at North Carolina, it's based on performance and you earn it. No matter if you're a walk-on or you're a scholarship player, you got to earn it.

Speaker 1 Life is merit-based. It always will be, I think, and I hope, even though there's some nepotism and some networking that get people good jobs.
And you want to talk about performance-based?

Speaker 1 There's a reason Ram trucks all over the place.

Speaker 1 This 2,500 heavy-duty Rebel Ram. Yeah.
Diesel powered.

Speaker 1 Oh, my performance through the roof. Just like Lomba.
Okay, we're going to pivot away from North Carolina. Andrew Pro.
I'm going to talk about a lot of the NFL stuff that you would know a lot about.

Speaker 1 Conman has a question for you. Yeah, Lomba, you brought up Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 4 Obviously, he got hired in New England last week. Huge.
Everyone in New England's pumped. I will say, if you steal any of the coaches he's thinking of hiring, you're a son of a bitch.
And I hate you.

Speaker 4 But with that being said, hopefully that doesn't happen. What do you think about the hire? And how should I kind of feel about this year's expectations with Mike Vrabel at the helm?

Speaker 4 Because at the current moment in time, I think Drake May is going to win the MVP and we're going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Well, I think what you found out was everybody going to Dairy Queen after the game didn't work, right? Everybody being nice and friendly and fuzzy and having a great time.

Speaker 7 And now they brought in somebody who understands how to lead. They brought in somebody who can hold players accountable.
And he does it from an ex-player's point of view, which is really impressive.

Speaker 7 You know, he's got a commanding figure to him. He's a great coach.
He's smart. For the life of me, I don't understand why he sat out of last year.
I think it's a tremendous hire.

Speaker 7 I have great respect for Mike Rabel. I think he knows what he wants.
He'll do exactly what we talked about here at North Carolina. He's going to scout inside out.
The team will be tough.

Speaker 7 Practices will be demanding. He also knows how to work the players through it because he's done it and he speaks from a voice of authority.
I think it's really one of the best hires.

Speaker 7 I mean, for him to be out of football based on what had happened in the NFL last year in terms of the coaching is hard to believe.

Speaker 7 I mean, look, some of these teams, Tennessee made a coaching change, they didn't get better. New England made a coaching change, they didn't get better.

Speaker 7 Atlanta made a coaching change, they didn't get better. Sometimes change doesn't make you better.

Speaker 7 I thought when they let Tennessee, when Tennessee let Mike Brable go, that was a mistake, and I think New England benefited from it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Fraves was able to get the Tennessee Titans at the number one overall seat in the AFC with like 100 players or 90-some players on IR.

Speaker 1 Like he's obviously creates seemingly a winner whenever he is in charge. That Tennessee Titans team speaking about him, the way Will Compton still talks about him, right?

Speaker 1 Even with who Will Compton was, which is obviously a dog, 90 or 10, obviously. He's got

Speaker 1 on the horizon potentially. Incoming.
Especially with how he's been doing. But then Taylor LeWan, who high-profile starting tackle, you know, so that's the entire roster there.

Speaker 1 Basically chit-chatting about Frabel. All the same thing.
Hard-nosed, tough guy, obviously talk shit.

Speaker 1 But he's an accountability-driven coach. And the way he wins.
And we're going to win. And he's a strategist.
And he's like a genius when it comes to football.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was the biggest thing.

Speaker 4 He was giving an interview and he talked about like the percentages of teams that win when they throw over 50 times and what the percentages of teams when they win when they run the ball, you know, 30 plus times.

Speaker 4 Like to your point, the strategist, football genius, people aren't really giving him credit because there's people online saying like this guy isn't a good coach. I don't know why people are pumped.

Speaker 1 Well, just like the MCDC shit, just like people said about MCDC, because it's hard to get past the, oh, this guy's a big dumb dip shit, you know, like, because there's been people that have been built and looked and maybe have the similar past as these two people that have certainly been like that.

Speaker 1 Let's not, let's not rule out all the big dumb dipshits meatheads there have been in the past where people could potentially send prejudice onto two new meatheads that might not be big dumb dipshits that are actually, you know, motivational and smart and deep thinking.

Speaker 1 Charming. And charming, man.
Yeah, I got a dip in, but man, you know, wife and I watch rom-com, you know, man. I'm not worried about it.
So it's like, I think that's where. Vrabel lies.

Speaker 1 And I think the NFL and football as a whole are lucky that he's back in a big time position. And I think the arrest of the NFL is pissed.
The Patriots are probably going to be back.

Speaker 1 Now, let's talk about a team that might never be back or maybe will be. Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Lombo, I think one of the more interesting openings is the Raiders. And it's a team, obviously, that Bill was, you know, tied to a bunch because Brady's there.

Speaker 5 But now reports are coming out that Ben Johnson, it seems like that is more and more likely, that that's where he's going to wind up. And all last year, we were talking about, hey, Ben Johnson.

Speaker 5 He's in a perfect spot because he can kind of pick and choose here. He's the hottest name.
Their offense has been unbelievable unbelievable the last two years.

Speaker 5 And then you look at the Raiders as a whole, and they don't have a quarterback. They have holes everywhere.
Is the allure of Tom Brady being

Speaker 5 a partial owner and having hands-on in this process, is that enough to get one of these marquee guys to say, yep,

Speaker 5 whatever you need me to do, I'm going to go to Vegas because I want to coach under Tom.

Speaker 5 And do you believe Tom being around there is enough for the Raiders to turn things around rather quickly when they've been so shitty for so long?

Speaker 7 I think it's certainly a step in the right direction.

Speaker 7 I mean, you get a guy that understands what it takes to win, a former player who's achieved at the highest level of his profession, the greatest quarterback, the GOAT, and you get him in there and you sit in a meeting with him and he knows what it takes to win.

Speaker 7 He knows what locker rooms need to have to win.

Speaker 7 And so I think if you're Ben Johnson and you're having a conversation with Tom through his agent and through all the people, I think you get a sense of comfort.

Speaker 7 Look, I think a lot of these jobs are driven by what's the ownership behavior, right? I mean, what is the ownership behavior?

Speaker 7 And we've seen that Mark Davis has been impatient, but now we see that I think it's time for him to allow someone to come in and buffer this.

Speaker 7 And I think ultimately that'll be a good situation, and he'll be able to find players and develop talent.

Speaker 7 Look, wherever Ben Johnson goes to the Raiders, he's not going to be able to turn that program around in a year, but he's going to find a quarterback to help that he could turn it around and build the team inside out.

Speaker 7 And I think Tom has a really good understanding of team building. I've spoken to Tom many times in the past about team building, about how to scout inside out.
I think Tom's going to do great.

Speaker 1 Hey, that was an incredibly smooth move of your phone, either silencing it or passing something off while giving a perfect take. That's why you're the difference, brother.

Speaker 1 That's why you are the X factor in everything.

Speaker 1 All day busy right now? We're very busy.

Speaker 7 No, it's, you know, every day is the same. You know, you just, you got to solve problems.
You got to put fires out, and you got to find players.

Speaker 7 I mean, look, one thing about this program, it's all about consistency. It's about doing it every single day and getting better at what you do.
And that's what that's that.

Speaker 7 That's standards for me, too. I've got to uphold to it.
Whether if I ask the players to do it, we better make damn sure we're doing it on the fourth floor here.

Speaker 1 Fourth floor. I love that.
Yeek.

Speaker 1 UNC is going to be back, maybe. Huh? Doesn't it sound like

Speaker 1 the Raiders might be back, too? Maybe.

Speaker 7 The NFL needs the Raiders to be good. They really do.
They're such a great fan base. They really are.

Speaker 1 It's like they hated you for a while. You remember that this season? Whenever you were.

Speaker 7 They always hate me. They hate me because I speak the truth to them.

Speaker 7 They haven't won a playoff game since we lost the Super Bowl. I mean,

Speaker 7 0-2. I mean, they haven't won a play.
They've been, what, three playoff games? They've lost every wild card.

Speaker 7 Nobody wants to hear the truth, but the problem has been since we lost the great Rich Gannon, that program has really struggled. And now they've got to get somebody.

Speaker 7 Look, every reason why teams lose is

Speaker 7 there's not a command center. There's not somebody bringing a plan in on how we're going to win.
And it has to come from a paramilitary basis. It's got to come from a supreme commander.

Speaker 7 I think New England just got a supreme commander, right? The Raiders have a supreme commander, and Tom Brady.

Speaker 7 That's how you win.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Supreme commanders.

Speaker 1 You need one voice at the end of the day. Somebody has to have two votes, you know, because there's always going to be disagreements in my eyes.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, there's people that are going to say committees have been able to figure things out, even though committees, every time we hear about them, they're not figuring things out.

Speaker 1 I don't know if committees have ever figured something out and it all go the way it's supposed to go. But in my eyes, one person having a vision is certainly a right answer.

Speaker 1 Now, if it's wrong, then we know who, right? Yeah. We can replace person.
If it's right, though, we also know who, plus alongside others.

Speaker 1 So I think Supreme Commander is a hilarious way to describe that. And I will start taking it as if it's my own.

Speaker 1 But I appreciate the fact that you guys go a bunch of Supreme Commanders down there in North Carolina. 22 years.

Speaker 7 We got one. We know

Speaker 1 where we're going.

Speaker 7 We got one. We know where we're going.

Speaker 7 And there's going to be no confusion. And people that don't want to get on board, we'll find somewhere else.
Because here's what I do know.

Speaker 7 You know, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back. You know, everybody's replaceable, me included.
So that's the culture you want.

Speaker 7 That's the culture that Tom will bring to the Raiders. That's the culture that New England's going to go back to with there.
There won't be people in meetings.

Speaker 7 There won't be administrators coming down.

Speaker 7 You know, they've made changes already to benefit Mike Brable in New England that were prohibiting them from being successful because they wanted to try that, what I call that dairy queen method.

Speaker 7 Like we're all going to sing kumbaya and go get ice cream.

Speaker 1 Uh-uh. Yeah, we all got it right.
We did good here. We did good here.
Chuck wanted to ask you a quick question on that particular thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as far as the GM search goes there at at the Raiders, that's open as well.

Speaker 1 Have you heard anything like if Ben Johnson is the guy that they're targeting, they're pairing these guys up now, coming into a building.

Speaker 1 So they get two guys that are going to work together, be collaborative, all that stuff, get along. Any word on that?

Speaker 7 I know that they're talking through a host of people, but I do think Tom understands more than anything, there has to be symmetry between the two. They don't have to get along, right?

Speaker 7 What they have to do is share the same vision. And I think the best thing you can have is a debate.

Speaker 7 I mean look Jim Harbaugh goes out to the Chargers He hires someone that he's very comfortable with that will debate him and force him to think differently about players.

Speaker 7 It doesn't mean we're all going to get along, but we share the same philosophy. We know exactly what we want in every player.

Speaker 7 We know how we're going to build this team inside out and no one's going to argue about it, right?

Speaker 7 No one's going to argue that the Chargers take an offensive lineman when somebody in the back of the room thinks we should take a receiver because everybody's in tune to the philosophy that Harbaugh said.

Speaker 7 See, that's the key. And if you're Ben Johnson, you come in there with a philosophy.
Here's what I want to do offensively, defensively, the kicking game.

Speaker 7 And it's the job of the personnel guy to work within the framework of that and sell that to the people who are

Speaker 7 doing all the scouting.

Speaker 7 That's how you get alignment. All this crap about being on the same page goes out the window as soon as you lose a game.

Speaker 7 But to create true alignment, you've got to get the leaders have to preach everything that you want to do. It's the first thing we did here.
What's our recruiting message?

Speaker 7 We've to get that to people so the kids know exactly, hey, if you don't want it, no problem. You know, I say this all the time to kids.
Yes is good. No is good.
Maybe stinks. I hate maybe.

Speaker 7 Maybe I'm interested. Maybe I'm not.
No, I'm moving on. Would you tell me you're maybe? We're going to the next kid.
Right? No, and I know I can deal with. Maybe I can't.

Speaker 1 Man, I'm excited to see if this works. Legitimately, just because everything we're hearing about this current process is like very different than that.

Speaker 1 But the allure of like, hey, this is a professional football academy pretty much is what you're going to and if you don't end up in the nfl you are going to end up a great business person you're going to end up a great whatever because this is like a like so i think you're going to find your people like i think you are going to find your people i'm excited to see how quickly that all happens once again you win it's an easy yep that's an easy sell which you guys have always done now let's talk about supreme commanders one that has been in charge for a long time and also has some acting chops.

Speaker 1 Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yep, we're talking about Supreme Commander Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 I just wanted to get your whole situation on Jerry and how he's handled, you know, not allowing Big Mike to interview with the Bears and then allowing Big Mike to leave, not getting a contract done, which, you know, in return, you don't get to

Speaker 2 talk to any of the coordinators of the teams in the divisional round.

Speaker 2 And now they're bringing in, you know, Kellen Moore and Jason Witten and Deion Sanders potentially. What's your thoughts on what's going on in Dallas altogether?

Speaker 7 Well, I think, look, you have to buy into what Jerry wants to do. I think when you watched the Landman episode, where Jerry probably had a Golden Globe performance, you know, it was tremendous.

Speaker 7 And we wrote about it for the Daily. It was just really good.
It almost brought you to tears the way he did it. It was, but I think.

Speaker 1 One take, we've learned.

Speaker 7 One take? I didn't know that. Unbelievable.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, what I thought it really did for me is knowing the Cowboys for as long as I have, it really clarified a lot of things.

Speaker 7 And it made me understand what he was trying to do to be around his kids.

Speaker 7 And I think when you go down there and accept that job, it's your job to figure out how to make it work under those parameters, right? Because those parameters are non-negotiables in Jerry's world.

Speaker 7 I think it's very challenging because the players know they work for Jerry. I think that's the hardest part.
And so they've got to find a way to bridge that. a little bit.

Speaker 7 But what they need down there is they need somebody to get a uniform like they had with Parcells. And look, Mike did a really good job down there.
I mean, Mike, what? Hey, he won a lot of games.

Speaker 7 Unfortunately, he couldn't win a playoff game. So they've got to ask themselves, how do we get over the hump?

Speaker 7 But I think I was surprised he didn't hire Mike back because I felt like at 82 years old, he has a hard time wanting change. I think it'll be interesting.
what he tries to do moving forward.

Speaker 7 But I do think they need somebody who's going to be able to talk to Jerry in a way to where it allows the coach to get the things he needs to get done within the framework of what Jerry wants to do.

Speaker 1 Beginning of the show yesterday, I thought there was no chance Prime was going to be a head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. By hour or two, I was about 50-50.
By the end of the show, I was like.

Speaker 1 Deion Sanders is going to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Now, that is me doing a daily sports show.

Speaker 1 Okay, so having to talk about all of it so often, yada, yada, yada, and hearing all angles and all different sides, having multiple different opinions literally day to day as new information is presented to us.

Speaker 1 It's like Prime would be the guy that you would think would be able to talk to Jerry, right?

Speaker 1 Because the amount of respect that they have, hopefully, for each other, especially if they were able to do it. So, maybe he'd be able to navigate those waters a little bit better.

Speaker 1 And same with Jason Witten. Like, maybe that's why these two are allegedly being targeted so hard.

Speaker 1 And allegedly, Jane Slater, I do believe, was reporting that Jerry Jones is viewing this as a solo Supreme Commander mission to hire the next head coach.

Speaker 1 That's fascinating, especially with that landman scene where one and done,

Speaker 1 improv. So good.
Even a little punch joke over there. Spry chicken.

Speaker 1 You

Speaker 7 talking to you.

Speaker 7 Don't let me put my rubber glove on the next time I come in here. You know, I love that.
He tagged that on the way out the door, too. It was all done really well.
It was perfect.

Speaker 7 I think, you know, a lot of this will depend on the staff, who he wants to bring in. But I do think Stephen Jones is the voice of reason within that building.

Speaker 7 And I think he has tremendous influence on his father. I do believe that.

Speaker 7 I don't think Jerry will make this decision without Steven and Jerry Jr., at least and Charlotte contributing because they've laid that all out.

Speaker 7 So I think that part of that job is you got to get along with the family. Yeah, definitely.
So you got to get along with the family.

Speaker 1 Anytime you're going into a family business, you're going to have to understand that you're operating in a different set of roles. You're an outsider coming in there.

Speaker 1 And if you're already part of the family, it might be easier to kind of get the job done. We appreciate the hell out of you.
Good luck down in the middle. Love it, guys.

Speaker 7 Love it, guys. Enjoy the games this weekend.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We got like 20 seconds.
Any liens? Any leans on any of those? Are you not paying attention?

Speaker 7 Look, I think that

Speaker 7 Buffalo 2-3, that's the hardest seeding right there. I think to me, weather is going to be a factor.
I love Baltimore all year. Their defense has really improved.

Speaker 7 Zach Orr from the start of the year to the middle has been tremendous. Look, Detroit's so good, but then when you break down Washington's numbers, they're good on third down.

Speaker 7 They make explosive plays. Detroit's won 28th in the league in explosive plays allowing.
Detroit's got to control the pace of that game. I think that's really important.

Speaker 1 We'll see you next hour. Thanks, Lobo.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Football is the greatest, and we're so lucky that we get to talk about it every single day. I'm not alone, obviously.
The Toxic Table is here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. How you doing, Ty?

Speaker 1 Doing great.

Speaker 5 Doing absolutely great. Hey, listen, national championships right around the corner.
It's Monday night. I know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 Divisional rounds coming up.

Speaker 5 This weekend, too. So feeling great, but also kind of creeping into the back of your mind.
It's crazy that the season has flown by this fast.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We still got a lot of time.

Speaker 3 We still got a month plus here, so we're good.

Speaker 1 But somebody said to me last night on a call,

Speaker 1 I'll see you down in the Super Bowl, right?

Speaker 1 Or was that yesterday with

Speaker 1 Keith Costro? That's what it was. Yeah, it was Keith.
I'll see you down in the Super Bowl. Yeah, certainly.
In my head, it's like he's like a few weeks. Three points.
Four months now. A few weeks.

Speaker 1 It's less than a month for sure. Oh, my God.
36 years in football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL. Coach Pagano is here.
Coach. Flew by.
A few weeks. He was awesome.
Freaking flew by.

Speaker 4 We only have eight games off.

Speaker 5 It's crazy. There you go.

Speaker 1 Oh, mama. I'm in fear from my life from the long

Speaker 1 arm of the law.

Speaker 1 When the season ends, we talk about sports we don't know, but we love ball.

Speaker 2 It's coming around. More sports get it their time to shine.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 1 Starting with one, counting down to now four or five different sports get a chance to shine in a matter of a few weeks. Can't wait for it.

Speaker 1 Oh, that NHL season's going to be fantastic because people forget hockey is awesome. That's rolling closely.
And then you want to talk about lacrosse?

Speaker 1 Did you see the Box Lacrosse League the other day? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Bomb! Knockout! Yeah, dude! Mitt knocked a guy out in the middle of a lacrosse game the other night. Can't wait to follow that.

Speaker 1 And have you seen the association? There's not a lot of people watching the association.

Speaker 1 I'm going to tell you, if they start having nights like they had last night on a regular basis, more people are going to be watching. It was poster night in the NBA.
Chris,

Speaker 1 Braun,

Speaker 1 get the rock. Hi!

Speaker 1 Normally they're doing a milk check over there instead of going,

Speaker 1 that was awesome. That wasn't the only one, though.
Last night was filled with it. How about Zach 80, 7'4, over 7'3? Wemby! That's in the first quarter.
You're gonna get back?

Speaker 1 The battle of the Giants. Two seven-footers battling underneath.
One from Canada, one from France. The NBA down in San Antonio has a couple giants.
Well, let's see, Wemby. What do you do to get back?

Speaker 1 Ah, didn't even jump. Blocked the seven foot four guy at the rim.
This is all last night. This is one night.

Speaker 1 And then in this game, the biggest highlight of the night, the one that you've certainly seen, which didn't even count.

Speaker 1 Hi-yo!

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I mean, that is,

Speaker 1 and then I saw some people on the internet that have never played a sport in their life say, yeah, it's not a dunk. He didn't even tell you, he just threw it in.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 even more impressive. Like people acting like because his hand didn't rattle the rim or the backboard, that it's not as impressive as being so high.
Okay, over a seven foot three

Speaker 1 anomaly.

Speaker 1 He has the alien logo as his logo because they don't make him. Had eight blocks in the first half last night.
He's already being considered the greatest defender of all time, standing at the rim.

Speaker 1 How tall is Jaw? Six foot?

Speaker 1 Two, three?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, whatever the case, anybody could get it. That's why whenever he was starting out down there in Memphis, it was a rise to superstar him.
He was on commercials. He was the guy.

Speaker 1 Anybody could get it. He actually once said, I'm not going to talk anymore.
A little bit too dangerous. Yeah.
Well, Joe, I'm happy you're taking to the skies again because this didn't even count.

Speaker 1 And I think it helped out the NBA immensely.

Speaker 1 Cockback

Speaker 1 so high in the sky that he could just throw it into the hoop. People act like that isn't impressive.
Get the hell out of here. These Giants battling was certainly worth a watch last night.
Eclipse.

Speaker 1 Like we all did. Right.
I was just scrolling. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. And then a holy

Speaker 1 shite

Speaker 1 when Braun went bananas. But these two battling it out.
Shout out to Purdue, Zach Eady. Obviously, we saw him at a couple different events.
He had one of those big-ass hats on. Looked average.

Speaker 1 Looked like a normal hat on him. So congrats to him pulling that off.
And then Wemby. And obviously, the points per game, a little bit different.
Rebounds per game is a little bit different.

Speaker 1 Blocks per game, a little bit different. Eady is a rookie.
He's also on a Memphis Grizzlies team that might be able to. Do some damage.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're going a little bit. That would set the record for most blocks per game in a single season in the history of basketball.

Speaker 1 Eight in the first half last night in blocks. Crazy.
You know, triple-doubles are normally like points, boards, and assists. This dude blocks 10 a game.

Speaker 1 It's like a thing.

Speaker 1 It just kind of happens because he just does this number here and he's above the rim. You know, I played volleyball in high school.
Great sport. Great sport.

Speaker 1 And I actually had some colleges looking at me to play college volleyball, which is a pretty cool thing. And I was an outside hitter.
Okay, so I would jump up, you know, bow and arrow that thing.

Speaker 1 And I'm going down with it. All right.
So that was kind of my role. I was able to play in the back row, but I'm coming from back row as well.
You know, I'm doing the entire thing.

Speaker 1 And I didn't know volleyball well enough. Only played like one year.

Speaker 1 So whenever the, and at that point, I had already committed to West Virginia to kick footballs and already told like soccer schools, I'm not going to be playing soccer because I'm going to go kick football.

Speaker 1 So volleyball was any spring. Didn't play soccer that spring because I was already going to go kick.
So, you know, kind of that whole thing. Played volleyball.

Speaker 1 So at the end of the season, had a pretty good year. Great team.
Great group of dudes. A lot of soccer guys on that team.
We had so much fun. I learned the sport kind of as we were going through.

Speaker 1 My favorite sport that I played in high school just because of the environments. So we were filling up gymnasiums for these games.
I mean, it was,

Speaker 1 it was awesome. It was a good time.
I think we were in an entertaining team. If I had to guess, I think people would say, you know, that plump team, pretty entertaining to watch.

Speaker 1 A lot of Moxie on our team. A lot of Moxie on our team.
Tone did not play. No, Facebook.

Speaker 1 Tone got in a fight, actually, alongside CFO Phil and many others in the crowd because, because, you know, we did bring other teams' crowds out too, because of potential things that were being said.

Speaker 1 I mean, we had, it was electrifying.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be, it was my favorite sport that I played in there, but but at the end, I had a couple schools that, like, you know, wanted to talk to me or whatever. And,

Speaker 1 you know, I don't know shit about volleyball, so I sit down and we're chit-chatting.

Speaker 1 And they're like, well, we're thinking you could be a libero for us with how athletic you are and your ability in the back row. We think you'll be able to figure it out.
Libero is a constant back row.

Speaker 1 They wear the different jersey. And you're just getting, I mean, it's

Speaker 1 it is not a fun. I mean, those balls are going 100 miles and you're getting bang, bang.
It is not fun.

Speaker 1 On the flip side, you hitting those things into these people and the thud that happens and a ball goes flying off. Awesome feeling.
I mean, it is awesome. I was like, I'm an outside hitter.
You know,

Speaker 1 I'm a Liberal. I'm an outside hitter.
And I believe the one coach told me,

Speaker 1 we have a six foot nine guy from Lithuania who is our outside hitter. And we'll be playing a guy who's six foot seven from somewhere else.
So are you going to go over that guy?

Speaker 1 Because he just raises his hands like this and he's able to block you. It's like Wemby.
If he was to play volleyball,

Speaker 1 he would literally just be able to do the windshield.

Speaker 1 Like being built like that, being being that athletic, and then them preparing him to remain healthy with like the little muscle exercises in his feet and his ankles, because they did a study on where tall people normally end up falling apart at.

Speaker 1 Because when you're that big, your joints just kind of get beat to hell. Them since high school, I think, have been trying to build up said muscles and said joints so that he can last.

Speaker 1 And it's like what he's able to do and shoot.

Speaker 1 and block and wiggle and every it's like he's special he is a special talent to watch yeah he's an alien now but 10 years from now there there's probably going to be a couple of them bingo i mean even thinking about cooper fly like cooper fly is 6'10 kevin durant i mean kevin durant started this i don't want to say started this but when kevin durant was at texas and then when he gets to the nba they didn't think he was going to work in the nba because he was too thin remember this guy's too thin he's too thin he's too thin and then he goes and starts doing his shit it's like oh we got a seven footer sorry six foot elevener that doesn't want to be called seven foot that's how different the game is

Speaker 1 he was six foot eleven guy who was able to wiggle and shoot and everything it's like now that's just kind of the. It's like a thing, yeah.

Speaker 4 There's another guy, I think, who's 16 now overseas who is on this same kind of trajectory where he's doing all the shit and he's also like seven feet.

Speaker 1 What's the kid at IMG? Seven foot what?

Speaker 1 He's at Florida now. Yeah, Florida.
Yeah, what is he?

Speaker 4 He's 7'9. He is out for the season with a foot injury.

Speaker 1 That is the hard thing about Giants.

Speaker 1 It is hard for their body to be able to keep up with their size. It feels like they've been preparing Wemby for this moment.
It's been fun to watch. Not a lot of people watching, though, I guess.

Speaker 1 But we'll get into it in just a few weeks whenever we were at Super Bowls. Just a few weeks.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, currently in a base or an attic in Ohio.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. Yeah, AJ.

Speaker 1 AJ, just beat a high

Speaker 1 last night.

Speaker 7 I'll tell you what, are people really saying Ja didn't dunk that ball?

Speaker 7 I understand he didn't touch the rib technically with his hand, but I mean, the fact that he even challenged him and he went up there for that was awesome.

Speaker 1 So those tweets actually happening. Close your eyes.
Imagine what the person looks like that tweeted it. Yes, you are right.
I did some research. You are 100% exactly what you thought it was.

Speaker 1 I mean, if Jaw was to play any sport, obviously he would be successful. But I love that he's playing.
I like that he's back. And it feels like he had to take some hard lessons earlier in his career.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I had a little problem with those Instagram lives. Every time they came on, he's like, where's my

Speaker 1 every single time?

Speaker 1 I could never let one Instagram live fly. Every single time we're live on IT, where,

Speaker 1 let me find it. Turn around.

Speaker 1 I can smell it. Keep it going.
Got it right here. Yep.
All right, show it real quick. Boom.

Speaker 1 That was literally what it felt like. It was.
And we're all like, Jesus Christ, man, just come on, dude. You know, like, you were so much fun.
Had to learn. He was young.
Very, very young.

Speaker 1 I assume he had to learn a lot of lessons quickly about life. Now he's all the way back, and it's like, let's go.
Let's keep doing that. I think the NBA certainly, certainly needs it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, much better with him than without. Yeah, the NBA, though, is, I guess nobody's.

Speaker 7 People are mad they're shooting so many threes.

Speaker 4 Is that the thing? Well, no one cares because look at the teams at the top. Like, everyone hates the Celtics, of course, but Cleveland, not the biggest market.

Speaker 4 Oklahoma City, also not the biggest market. And then, like, the superstars, the oldest ones are kind of on their way out.

Speaker 4 So, it's one of those things where that whole conversation last year during the playoffs, like, who's the face of the league?

Speaker 4 Like, all the potential faces of the league aren't the most liked people in the league.

Speaker 1 Well, I think they never tried to be liked by anybody. Yeah.
These NBA guys. They never tried to be, and I say that as not that they're not affable people, but they never do any interview.

Speaker 1 Like, you never heard any of these guys talk outside of just NBA media. You know, we never really, you don't see them on show.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think I know much about a lot of these guys that I'm a massive fan of.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, I think, you know, all the smoke coming around in the NBA getting like podcasts, I think that has helped.

Speaker 1 But I think whenever you think about just from a national 30,000-foot perspective, I don't think anybody knows much about a lot of these guys other than just them playing basketball.

Speaker 1 And then also when those type of people hear, hear oh they're arresting their bodies

Speaker 1 back in my day it's like don't know anything about them so can't really like them personally hear that they have a poor work ethic even though nowadays these guys are bigger stronger faster going on like everything like that so i think there's a little bit of a combo on why maybe people aren't paying attention as much but i think it's definitely gettable i think you can get back especially with the dudes that we've met like halibur yeah i fucking love he's the bit he's he's pretty rare though kevin durant i love kevin durant but nobody really knows much about him until he starts doing up an adams okay Kay Adams.

Speaker 1 And then that's whenever it starts clipster Kenny.

Speaker 5 But I think that's part of the thing too is those guys really don't. They don't have to do that stuff because they're making so much money.

Speaker 5 And if you're balling out on the court, like you're going to get a shoe deal. You'll probably get like a, you know, Gatorade or Power 8 or whatever.

Speaker 5 Like they really don't have to do all that other outside stuff unless they really want to.

Speaker 5 And I think another one of the issues, like we showed the Christian Braun dunk, like that's an awesome highlight. That was unbelievable.
Great posterization.

Speaker 1 But I mean, look at the score.

Speaker 5 It's like, it's not a competitive game at all. So it's like, if that's what you're watching it for, yeah, you're going to get plays like that.

Speaker 5 You're going to get some sweet dunks and everything, but it kind of goes back to everything else we're talking about. It's like, these games aren't competitive.

Speaker 5 It's like one team is much better than the other team, and it kind of just stays that way.

Speaker 1 And the other team might tap out too because they know they're going to game tomorrow. Exactly.
If we're going to get killed tonight, why waste any energy?

Speaker 1 It's certainly the thing is Chuck drops his bottle. Let's pivot away from

Speaker 1 his mic pack.

Speaker 1 This guy literally can't hear anything right now. No.
Sorry, boys. Hey, don't worry about it.
He's got his ear. He's got his ear.
There's a really cool game now.

Speaker 1 He doesn't even know that. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Food is crazy.

Speaker 1 Can you hear me? No. There he is.

Speaker 1 New York and Philly was a hell of a game. Yeah, you're right.
Brunson, 38. Oh, Josh Hart, I think, went bananas as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, how about it? Okay. All right, let's pivot away from the off-season sports and talk about the current sport that is happening.
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four-time NFL MVP.

Speaker 1 He is a quarterback for the Jets right now. What does the future hold? I don't know if any of us know.

Speaker 1 We will certainly ask, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, all-time great future first ballot hall of famer, Aaron Rogers.

Speaker 1 How you doing, brother?

Speaker 9 What an honor to be on the PMS on Thursday with the legend, Coach Pagano.

Speaker 1 That means a lot because you know how I feel about you and the respect that I have for you. I got a beautiful question for you today.
Yes, please do. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 So I was contemplating retirement, Aaron, in 2020. You know, my last two seasons that I coached were in Chicago, place you owned and made everybody know that on several occasions.

Speaker 7 But there was a game.

Speaker 9 We enjoyed your visit there.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm talking about. Okay.

Speaker 1 Sarcasm's easy, Aaron.

Speaker 1 Sarcasm's easy.

Speaker 1 Last game of the season, 2020, COVID year, right? You guys are down at our place.

Speaker 1 Second quarter, we're up 10-7.

Speaker 1 I'm only asking you because you're the only one that's got a brain to remember every single play, let alone like the ones that you figured out what the hell we were going to do before we did it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the rest is history. And I'm still apologizing to the linebacker who I put in like the worst position you could put a guy in.
But it was third and four,

Speaker 1 eight minutes and 40 seconds to go in the second quarter.

Speaker 1 And I'm trying to figure out, okay, what do we do with this? You guys are in empty, two by three, two guys to the left, three to the right.

Speaker 1 Lazard was at number three, inside receiver, trip side. 17 was to your left.

Speaker 1 And right before, and the play clock's under five seconds. And so you signaled out to 17 something.

Speaker 1 Because I think you already had identified that, okay, 20 Duke Shelley. You remember Duke Shelley? Duke Shelley's come off this side.
Robert Quinn got lined up laid over on this side. So

Speaker 1 why'd you have to do it? Like

Speaker 1 I was contemplating

Speaker 1 retirement.

Speaker 1 But that kind of sealed it.

Speaker 1 That play right there, I just got it. Ended a 36-year career.

Speaker 1 I almost got a linebacker, you know, fired. for the position that I put him in.
Do you remember the play?

Speaker 9 I do remember the play.

Speaker 1 So what was it? What did you figure out?

Speaker 1 Was this a Chuck Pagano tendency or did they give it away too much? Here it is, right here. This is literally, is this the play?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Second.

Speaker 1 That was not the play? Oh, that's like it was. Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 1 I can't see. 72 yards later.
We're up 10-7. We got hope.
We got life.

Speaker 1 You remember this? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Of course. Yes.

Speaker 1 What tipped it off?

Speaker 1 What could I have done different? Is what Chuck's saying?

Speaker 9 I think sometimes in empty you just got to get those guys up on the line

Speaker 9 Because then you really have to make a protection adjustment You don't feel like you can beat it with the ball if you run back the clip I felt like in the situation even if Duke came off the slot I believe I took a I took a three and no hitch to throw this here

Speaker 1 No free runner.

Speaker 9 I took a tight I took a tight hitch. Yeah, I mean he's

Speaker 9 you know

Speaker 9 I think we'd seen something on film.

Speaker 9 You guys had done something similar and I'd remember kind of in the back of my mind saying, if I have speed at three on this vertical, you know, in this situation, we're an empty, and they bring the slot, I can probably retreat and lob it up down the field.

Speaker 9 It just so happened we had our fastest guy

Speaker 9 at three there in Marquez.

Speaker 9 You know, part of it is when the defense really can all work together.

Speaker 9 Now, it wasn't just necessarily of Shelly doing that, but, you know, in third and four in that situation, we're on, what, the 30-yard line or whatever, the safety is playing a little too aggressive, I think, down there on number two.

Speaker 9 He can probably play a little high to low from three to two there, based on the timing.

Speaker 9 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Taking notes just in case somebody calls. I don't think they are until they see this.

Speaker 9 Well, Chuck, as you know, and none of you watch a lot of ball, like the best defenses

Speaker 9 that run

Speaker 9 the protection, the pressures that are going to get after your protection is when the vision knows and understands what time the ball is to come out. So those guys can play first movement.

Speaker 9 I feel like in this situation, the safety

Speaker 9 was too quick to play like our number two to the three receiver side, stopping instead of just playing high to low there,

Speaker 9 you know, giving your linebacker a little bit of help.

Speaker 9 Now, if Shelly's on a line of scrimmage and it's like, oh, fuck it, we're, you know, he's coming, then you, then, you know, you have to make the correct protection call there to even have a chance.

Speaker 9 But because he's still coming from the slot and you're trying to super disguise, which is great, as long as everybody's working together, gave me a little bit of opportunity to throw it down the field.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because

Speaker 1 Devontae looked,

Speaker 1 but you knew you had time. The guy was coming from Michigan.
I mean, you got to get him up on the line. Jesus Low Winter.
You could have done me a favor.

Speaker 1 Devontae looked, just dumping it to him, but no, we had to go over the top. Good call.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I apologize.

Speaker 1 No, it's all good. That's all good.

Speaker 9 I feel like that play, I've always respected you.

Speaker 9 And you guys got us back in 2012, if you remember.

Speaker 9 We were beating the hell out of you guys at halftime, I think 21 to 3.

Speaker 9 You guys came back and beat us there. Andrew had a great game.

Speaker 1 That was my first game.

Speaker 1 I was in the hospital. That was my first game I met.
That's Chuck Strong game. That's orange.

Speaker 9 But that was the Chuck Strong game. That was your team, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 That was your team.

Speaker 9 We're all wearing the shirts in pregame. Oh, so you let him win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I appreciate you doing this. Okay, Saturday.
Well,

Speaker 9 I thought, you know, I didn't actually realize it was for Pagano. I thought it might have been Chuck Norris, and I'm a big Chuck Norris fan.
So I was thinking, is this Chuck Chuck Norris?

Speaker 9 What are we doing here?

Speaker 9 And somebody told me, and somebody told me, no, this was Chuck Pagano. I said, oh, okay, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 Reggie came out with the orange gloves, I believe, did the entire. I mean, that was a magical day in the history of the world.

Speaker 9 That was the energetic. I remember just how special that day was.
It had to be for you, Chuck, because the

Speaker 9 overwhelming support and love that was pouring out there was pretty cool

Speaker 9 to watch.

Speaker 1 I still wish we'd beat the hell out of you guys, but yeah, of course, of course, it would have been cool to go in there on Chuck Strong night and be a little stronger.

Speaker 1 We get it, you know, and Chuck would end up beating Leukemia and return in that season, which was awesome. And you're a legend.
Everybody that's ever played for you feels the exact same way.

Speaker 1 We love you. Now,

Speaker 1 you not only retired him, you've retired a lot of people, I assume, throughout your career at different positions. Let's talk about you and your retirement potentially.

Speaker 1 Hearing you talk about that football right there and chit-chat about the move and what you see and what you like. And I think you've told us before, like you're such a competitor.

Speaker 1 The only place that you really feel like you can scratch the itch of competition on a full-time basis is amongst the best, which is in the NFL.

Speaker 1 How much have you had to think and contemplate about your future? How much pressure is being put on you to think about that decision?

Speaker 1 And how are you managing that with everything that's going on back in Southern California, legitimately? Like, how are you as a person? And how are you thinking about everything professionally?

Speaker 1 Because I assume there's a decision that has to be made.

Speaker 9 Well, the season is not technically over. You know, I always feel like the season's over once the Super Bowl is over.

Speaker 9 And then, you know, kind of everything that resets. Everybody's zero and zero again, and there's a chance for everybody to reset.
Now, there's obviously moving pieces in New York.

Speaker 9 There's been a number of job interviews for GM and for head coach.

Speaker 9 There's even more names,

Speaker 9 you know, being released every day that the team is looking at.

Speaker 9 But I've had limited communication with them. You know, I've been dealing with...

Speaker 9 trying to protect my house here. My house is fine.
I'm not in the areas that have been affected. But it's been a weird, you know, weird time for so many

Speaker 9 people that live down here, friends of mine that lost houses, number of friends in Palisades, lost their homes, a number of friends in Pasadena affected, and

Speaker 9 friends around Runyon Canyon.

Speaker 9 It's been a tough time for sure.

Speaker 9 A lot of the

Speaker 9 kind of attention has gone to so many celebrities who lost their houses. There's some affluent areas in both Palisades and

Speaker 9 some of those areas in Malibu that got affected. But there's a lot of other people that just your

Speaker 9 average great Southern California folks who lost everything as well. And it's going to be tough to rebuild.

Speaker 9 Anybody who's ever tried to build a freaking structure in Southern California knows how ridiculous

Speaker 9 just trying to get a freaking permit to build anything is.

Speaker 9 Maybe there'll be some common sense politics that makes things easier for people to rebuild, but you're talking about a multi-year comeback for so many of these areas.

Speaker 9 It's going to be really tough for people. So it's been a tough time.
There's been loss of life. There's obviously been a lot of structures that have been burned down.

Speaker 9 You know, I think really the disheartening thing besides obviously the loss of homes, because it's more than just a house, right? It's a home where there's memories and years.

Speaker 9 And you're talking about elderly people who've been there for 40, 50 years on the beach or Palisades or in Altadino, whatever these areas are. But it's the arson.
You know, there's a ton of arson.

Speaker 9 We already know there's a ton of arson in LA in general.

Speaker 9 It's one of those kind of things that people don't don't like talking about in Southern California because of all the money that goes to

Speaker 9 various initiatives.

Speaker 9 And I'm not even going to mention it just because it's kind of a hot button. But there's a lot of arson and people have been caught doing it.

Speaker 9 People have been caught walking around blowtorches and different shit, which is crazy. And it's inhumane, is what it is.
And it's sickening.

Speaker 9 And then the looting that's gone on, people impersonating firefighters, people starting fires and to loot the same areas.

Speaker 9 There's a lot of

Speaker 9 things that really make you question humanity in general, and it's a bad look

Speaker 9 because people have lost their lives, people have lost their houses, their homes, their memories, everything, their pets.

Speaker 9 And then you have people who are legitimately starting fires in areas. The Run Incanning Fire.

Speaker 9 That was an arson. There was a fire that was actually started real close to my house.
There was arson that thankfully got put away really quick. So

Speaker 9 that's the shitty part about all this. The beautiful part is the way that so many people have come together and have

Speaker 9 gotten meals together and supplies together for these incredible men and women fighting these fires.

Speaker 9 The people who are flying these planes. I saw this incredible video probably about a week ago of the fucking most beautiful like drop from a plane that actually doused this fire.

Speaker 9 There's a lot of

Speaker 9 really talented people who've been working on this, putting in crazy freaking hours. So

Speaker 9 my heart and my hat is tipped to the incredible men and women who are putting in crazy hours, not just from Southern California, but the people that came down from Northern California and other states, and the supplies have been given in for those people has been amazing.

Speaker 9 So it's been a tough time for Southern California. We obviously see we had some bad fires,

Speaker 9 you know, six, seven years ago, I believe, there was a really bad fire. Northern California has seen, you know,

Speaker 9 some really rough ones, Paradise, Reading, Santa Rosa areas, especially. So it's been,

Speaker 9 you know, I'm not even going to get into, you know, the frustrations just because that's a whole nother rabbit hole around some of the leadership stuff. But

Speaker 9 yeah, it's been a tough time for everybody involved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm sorry that you and everybody has had to go through it. Obviously,

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, what are you doing? You literally luck out.

Speaker 1 You literally luck out in this entire, and that's obviously we have friends that also live in Southern California, and it's just like whether or not you're lucky.

Speaker 1 It's almost like it wasn't, it wasn't picking and choosing. It was just sporadic wind, 100 mile an hour winds or something, just picking one up and missing a home somehow.

Speaker 1 And then a patch of homes somehow gets saved amongst all the rubble. And then there's like survivor's remorse remorse happening.
So it's like, there's nothing good happening in any of this.

Speaker 1 And I want to let you know, and obviously I hope you've heard the calls from everybody. We are all

Speaker 1 letting you know that we think what you were going through absolutely sucks. And it is so devastating and so sad and horrific.

Speaker 1 And the stories about the arsons, obviously, there's always going to be assholes that walk amongst us. And hopefully there comes a time where we're able to handle everything and it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 But the heroes that are sprinting in there are also walking amongst us that we're not really reminded of until something like this happens.

Speaker 1 So like, obviously, thanks to them, to hell with the assholes trying to prey on the situation and to everybody that is dealing with it, we are so, so sorry.

Speaker 1 That is literally, I think, all we can say from over here. And hopefully going forward, there's some measures that are taken so we don't have to experience this again.

Speaker 1 And I don't want to like pivot away from that because of how real and serious that all is that you're going through.

Speaker 1 But like the decision about the season ending, the Super Bowl not hearing from the Jets, I assume, has this perspective changed?

Speaker 1 Has this thing changed a perspective for you about your life and how fragile and how quick everything can kind of go? And has that changed it? Like, is there any life perspective things happening?

Speaker 1 I know that you're a pretty deep thinker, especially around these moments. This type of situation change anything for you?

Speaker 9 Listen, I've sat in a hole in the ground in

Speaker 9 nowhere's though, Oregon, and I've sat in numerous ayahuasca ceremony circles. So I've done a lot of contemplating in my time and gotten some good perspective adjustments over over the years.

Speaker 9 This is, you know, this is nothing that changes my perspective other than it's heartbreaking

Speaker 9 because so many times when there's, you know, I think we can all relate to this

Speaker 9 reality, so many times where there are issues, you know, whether it's what happened in North Carolina or

Speaker 9 what seems like yearly devastating hurricanes that happen or when a bad tornado goes through or

Speaker 9 you know, whatever the natural disasters or unnatural disasters that happen, happen, so many times that is that out of mind, and your heart goes out to those people, but you don't really have like a connection, so many of us, to that specific occurrence or event.

Speaker 9 But it's different here. You know, I literally flew in, no power,

Speaker 9 which again, my light is much less than anybody else has gone through, but I'm just telling you what happened. And I flew in, there's no power.
I drive over the hill the next day,

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 I call Miles. I was like, well, the first thing I did, I was checking on their palisades and

Speaker 9 obviously, you know, we all know Miles Teller. We're either fans or, you know, personally, I've known Miles for 17, 18 years.

Speaker 1 Love Miles. Love Miles.

Speaker 9 Him and his wife, Kelly, they're incredible people. And called him, and he's like, yeah, we lost everything.
So that was the first...

Speaker 9 literally within 24 hours of landing the first and with no power he was like the first person I called was just to check on him and that's when it really hit home like this is you know this is legitimate.

Speaker 9 They didn't have a chance. They had a short amount of time.
They got everything they could. They got bugsy and

Speaker 9 with little they could fill into a car and got out. So that's the reality.
But the reality is there's thousands of people like that who've been dealing with that, got displaced, lost everything.

Speaker 9 And like you said, there's some people that somehow won the lottery and their house got missed.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 9 you're talking about a crazy rebuild that's going to,

Speaker 9 you know, that's going to take years because it would take years anywhere but it's LA with terrible

Speaker 9 you know just I'm not even gonna end to it just because it's so ridiculous just I mean you could go on a small you know diatribe about the lack of leadership

Speaker 9 for so long but as far as my own decision you know I told them I'm gonna take some time they haven't even made a decision on a GM or a coach yet once that happens then that'll take us to the next step which is conversation I'm assuming with whoever that individual is and then

Speaker 9 you know but this is a time where I'm taking time time for my body and,

Speaker 9 you know, my mind to clear things. Obviously, it's different because, you know,

Speaker 9 all that's going on in LA. And again, there's been

Speaker 9 incredible work done by

Speaker 9 all the firefighters out here in the departments. And things are actually looking up,

Speaker 9 which is great. So, big shout out to all the men and women working so hard for us

Speaker 9 to save so many lives And all the heroes, all the

Speaker 9 non-professional firefighters, there's a ton of heroes out there who bought their own supplies and saved their houses and neighbors' houses. And the stories are starting to leak out.

Speaker 9 It's pretty fucking incredible.

Speaker 9 A lot of heroes in this and a lot of villains. And those villains should be prosecuted to the highest degree of the law.

Speaker 1 Okay, and hopefully that will take place.

Speaker 1 Before we move into the next step of the conversation, we'd like to tell Miles and Kelly and Bugsy, we are happy you're you're okay. It sucks that that happens bad in a bad, bad way.

Speaker 1 But I feel like being around Miles, even in this negative, devastating thing, he's going to bring juice. Oh, yeah.
That guy's awesome. Still bring it.
He is awesome. Still bring it.

Speaker 1 I hated him at the beginning. You did? Hated him.
Thought he threw me under the bus for no reason.

Speaker 1 I didn't create the story. All right, so what are you coming after me for? You need to go after somebody else.
Did not like him.

Speaker 9 You kind of ran with a story without knowing the whole truth.

Speaker 1 I didn't report it. And I didn't know guy.
And it was a great...

Speaker 1 It was a great... Certainly.
I did not report it, though. A legitimate place in his world reported it.

Speaker 1 TMZ, I believe, was the person.

Speaker 9 He got jumped by a psycho.

Speaker 1 I heard he lost the fight. So in the moment, you know, and I heard there was an entire situation going on over there.
So we just talked about it, how it was reported. And I didn't know Miles.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, I dropped it into a WWE show.

Speaker 1 This guy just go punch you in the face like like he's miles teller i thought it was a great like i thought it was great but topical just happened earlier in the day this is i didn't make up this story it was being reported didn't know miles thought that's what happened and then all of a sudden miles responds hey cool segue dude did the whole thing i got jumped almost died hand robbed and it's like i'm like okay so you so then all the tabloids around the world were like miles teller dunks on pat mcafey who tries to make a mockery of the situation so i'm getting murdered again in different languages just like we have done in past together.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, fuck this guy. You didn't have to come out.
I didn't create the story. I'm just talking about things that are already in our lexicon and being reported as such.

Speaker 9 And then we talked. Hey, good word.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Nice.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 Thank you. I appreciate I said a few of them in there.
And then whenever I talked to Miles for the first time and we kind of chat and we golfed together, it was like, oh, this is good, dude.

Speaker 1 And he probably

Speaker 1 thought that we were potentially friends at the time.

Speaker 9 So me Barry. He thought you guys might be thrown down a little bit.

Speaker 1 I was ready to. Yeah, I was completely ready to.
At the UFC fight, we ran into each other. And I had a neck brace on because Baron Corbin had just

Speaker 1 given me the end of days.

Speaker 1 On the outside, I was with Nick Con, Triple H, the McMahon family. We go to this UFC fight.
We show up for Stylebender coming in with the Undertaker theme. And, you know, Chris Pratt's two doors down.

Speaker 1 We had just talked about his performance in Jurassic Park. Really? Yeah, you didn't know him.

Speaker 1 Jurassic World did not know him. I did not know any of Chris Pratt's work other than Jurassic World.
And I certainly had my opinions on that entire thing.

Speaker 1 And then right next to him is Miles and Kelly. And it's like, all right, on the way, I'm actually telling Triple H on the way out of here, like,

Speaker 1 hey, there might be some shit on the way out of here. And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, there might be some shit on the way out of here.

Speaker 1 He goes, all right, I'll break it up if you start losing. I'm like, all right, thank you.

Speaker 1 That's Triple H. Like, that's a hilarious laugh.
I have a neck brace on. I have a fucking neck brace on.
I'm in a tank top. You know, so I walk by and Miles goes, hey, can we talk for a second?

Speaker 1 I go, absolutely. You know, and then here's Triple H.
If you look at the photos, Triple H is like, watching the whole thing. I think he's like, holy shit, like this is actually going to go.

Speaker 1 Kelly starts yelling at me because I go, I don't know what your problem is to Miles, was that what I said to him? And she goes, don't talk to him like that. I didn't know who she was.
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 I said, I will not be talking to you. Okay, at this moment.
So please. So very like matter of fact.

Speaker 9 Oh, I didn't realize this is our win. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 She, because she like started yelling at me. And once again, now that I know him, mad respect for her also being like, you punk.
Like, I appreciated it. Hindsight appreciated it.

Speaker 1 In the moment, was ready. All right, here we go.
I'm fighting Miles Teller in this entire thing. But then we had a quick interaction.

Speaker 9 He's a big dude, though. I would have been

Speaker 1 Triple H would have been doing a quick, easy haul. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
You know, the guy's got a neck brace on.

Speaker 1 If they would have been attacking a guy with a neck brace, I'd be just seen.

Speaker 9 That was a good setup for you, though, to put that on right before that. Yeah, they're getting a little bit of.

Speaker 1 Here's the photo. That's literally what I look like walking in and out of there.
I mean, you got to be absolutely kidding me.

Speaker 1 It was fun. It was an honor, but that was our first interaction.
Seemed like a good dude. Then we talked again later.
Then we got to hang out.

Speaker 1 And I was like, man, I was completely wrong about this guy. I apologize, Miles Toter.
That is 100% on me.

Speaker 1 And I think the reason why he corrected us as opposed to the main story is because I think he thought we were like

Speaker 1 Fred, like. Same group.
Sympotical. Yeah.
You know, like we all know the same people. So he was like most disappointed with me as opposed to, so I'm like, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 So I fucking love Miles and Kelly. I've never met Bugsy.
Bugsy's a dog.

Speaker 1 A cat?

Speaker 1 Dog?

Speaker 1 Okay, you know, I don't. I'm asking.
Is it a dog, cat, hamster?

Speaker 9 It's a

Speaker 9 service animal. Okay.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Bugsy.

Speaker 1 I've never met Bugsy. I love Bugsy as well.

Speaker 9 AJ, thanks for chiming in finally. Thank you for chiming in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, to the Teller family, we do apologize

Speaker 1 that you're going through this. We love you guys.

Speaker 9 We love you guys.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 if anybody set anything up over there, we'd love to help, you know, however we absolutely can.

Speaker 9 Go ahead, Adrian. I think Miles might need some shirts, you know, some black shirts, black tanks, you know, maybe send those over.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Listen, if he was to wear one of that, how about him dancing?

Speaker 5 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's the best.

Speaker 9 He's a good dancer.

Speaker 1 So talented. And then we were...
Somebody was talking about this.

Speaker 9 He's terrible at driving, terrible at driving golf carts under ropes.

Speaker 9 Good dancer. Oh, we got a dancer.

Speaker 1 We got one of these. We're taking the top off at the red light.

Speaker 9 No, he snapped my driver underneath the rope. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Two years ago. Two years ago on the Wednesday before Tahoe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 9 All right, Age, what's your question?

Speaker 1 Hold on.

Speaker 9 Hold on, we got to talk there for a while.

Speaker 1 We got to talk more about it because he's a talent. This guy is a super talent.
He is talented. I didn't watch any of his movies growing up either, so that's 100% on me.
I didn't know who he was.

Speaker 1 But we were with somebody who was talking shit on him about his.

Speaker 9 Have you seen that awkward moment?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So good.
No, definitely not.

Speaker 9 Classic. Great movie.

Speaker 1 Ham, Efron, Michael B.

Speaker 5 Jordan.

Speaker 2 A couple single guys in New York.

Speaker 1 Zach Efron. There's a whole other situation that I fucking just walked myself right into.
Yeah. God, you must have tore this town down last night.
I've been sober for about six, seven months now.

Speaker 1 All right, Jesus Christ. Nice to meet you, man.
I am so, I don't, you know, I didn't know. I didn't know anything.
So that's, it's pure ignorance on my side. I think everybody knows that.

Speaker 1 So that is very kind of them. I'm in my world.
I'm in my world. Football is my world.

Speaker 1 And anytime I get a chance to get out in wrestling, anytime I get out of there, you know, I just try not to embarrass the program.

Speaker 1 I certainly certainly have, though, and we're going to try to get better. But, Miles,

Speaker 1 Miles, thank you for answering whenever that dip shit was trying to talk shit. He did that drum solo in

Speaker 1 Whiplash. That's him.
He did.

Speaker 9 He did.

Speaker 1 Everybody thinks that a hand replacement.

Speaker 9 I'm telling you, he's one of the most talented guys I've ever seen off the golf course.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's not a great golfer. He uh, neither am I, though.
Everything else, though.

Speaker 9 Off everything else.

Speaker 1 That was right after.

Speaker 9 I mean, are you talking about like bar games and

Speaker 9 bags,

Speaker 9 darts, washers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's good. Clip cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good vibes, Miles Teller. Yeah.
Great.

Speaker 1 Hey, and we're sending ours to you, Teller family. And it's great to be friends with you guys.
You know, was willing to war. Happy we're not.
Happy we are not. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 7 Aaron,

Speaker 7 how'd you leave it when you left New York? Do you meet with Brick and Woody, I assume, and have exit meetings? I'm not sure how you leave with them and what the next timeline might be.

Speaker 7 And I don't know if you know this, but Monday, Ohio State plays Notre Dame at the national championship. Also, the inauguration, I see some different people announcing they may be performing.

Speaker 7 Are we going to turn the TV on and see you sitting next to Elon and maybe Zuck and some of those big hitters up there on the stage?

Speaker 1 Go along!

Speaker 7 You should complete a ball there.

Speaker 9 Well, I had seen that there were a couple inquiries.

Speaker 9 I don't know if there were invitations or not about me going out there, only related to Bobby because it looks like Bobby's going to be in the cabinet uh i will not be anywhere near uh

Speaker 9 uh dc

Speaker 9 um

Speaker 9 why but uh

Speaker 1 why uh yeah i don't i don't want any part of that congrats on red die by the way yeah red die's got rfk has already got his first win boom

Speaker 9 well there yeah it's first of many i hope it's going to be interesting to see what happens i i want what i do want to watch is i want to watch his confirm i want to watch his confirmation hearing and just see see who tries to fuck with him.

Speaker 9 Like, please, somebody try and get after him and just watch him absolutely mop the floor with any of these senators. So, you better come ready, senators.
Come ready and

Speaker 9 try and see if you can pull one over on

Speaker 9 my boy Bobby because

Speaker 9 Bobby's a fucking smart dude and no notes off the cuff and

Speaker 9 can handle his own pretty well. So,

Speaker 9 excited for him to

Speaker 9 and honestly, so should everybody.

Speaker 9 Like, if you spend a uh a minute researching ingredients in products in the states compared to overseas uh it's disgusting it's disgusting what they allow here the levels that they allow here products that are terrible for you products they know are carcinogenic

Speaker 9 so it's going to be as uh he's doing a service to everybody if you just let him and get the hell out of the way and stop trying to label him as whatever the fuck they want to label him these days He just wants to make sure that everything that's being given to our kids is safe.

Speaker 9 Everything that

Speaker 9 ingesting on a day-to-day basis is safe, uh, and he's going to make America healthy again. He's going to freaking die trying.
So, wouldn't you want that?

Speaker 9 The guy in charge, the guy that goes down to Gold's gym in Venice, now he does wear jeans when he works out, but the guy's down there shirtless doing freaking 30 pull-ups and

Speaker 9 lifting a bunch of weights, looking jocked for 70 years old. Really jocked, yeah.

Speaker 9 Speaking of pull-ups, speaking of of pull-ups, Woody Johnson is a big pull-up guy.

Speaker 9 I can tell you, you know, I think

Speaker 9 he definitely likes to talk about how many pull-ups he can do, which I feel like is a lot. Now, he had a little injury that stopped him, but

Speaker 9 when I talked to him a couple months ago, he said he's back on the pull-ups. So I'm happy to hear that.
But yeah, I met with

Speaker 9 Woody.

Speaker 1 Good transition right there. That was a great transition, Boody, right there.

Speaker 9 Met with Christopher and

Speaker 9 Jaime and

Speaker 9 Coach Ulbrick and everybody there had a lot of nice conversations.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it was, you know, that was a weird transition because literally Monday, you know, we're there, meet with everybody, we start hearing about the fires, Tuesday I'm flying out to the West Coast and

Speaker 9 I land and it's just shit's going crazy. You know, just shit's on fire and

Speaker 9 winds are crazy. And, you know, I got to the house, the, you know, winds were going absolutely nuts.
The gate was flying off the handles and

Speaker 9 no power. And then my first, like I said, get over the hill.
I'm like, shit, this is on fire. I mean, we're literally driving my buddy to the airport.
It looks like, I mean, the whole sky is dark.

Speaker 9 There's on the right,

Speaker 9 we're going south on a 101. The right crazy sky, fire, and straight ahead past the Dina Altadina.
There's a crazy, you know, crazy sky as well with flames. So it was weird coming back.

Speaker 9 But yeah, I had good conversations with all those people and made my way out here. And then obviously, shit, it's been a little bit crazy for the last nine days or so.

Speaker 1 What are those conversations? How those conversations go? Because nobody knows what the future is. I think that's what the next question would be if hashtag journalisms was to take place.

Speaker 1 How do those convos go? Just like everybody kind of states where we are, what the situation is. We all understand where we are and what the future could look like.
Is that kind of how that goes?

Speaker 1 And I heard Coach Old Brick. I didn't hear.
There's only one brick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that's all about. I read in the New York Times the athletic could be a little bit different than that.
You don't have to expand.

Speaker 1 But what are those meetings like whenever you chat with these people?

Speaker 9 Most of those conversations are meant for the people in those rooms.

Speaker 1 Take us in there. Yeah.
Put us in a room where it happens. Take us in.

Speaker 9 The best conversations are where,

Speaker 9 over the years for Examines, are where there's somebody taking notes, whether the person you're talking to or somebody else in the room taking notes, and there's constructive criticism on ways to improve

Speaker 9 how we do things around the building. That's like from player to coach.
And then from coach to player, there's constructive ways in which you can show up, do your job better as well.

Speaker 9 You know, there are some great ones over the years with Mike. You know, Mike was...

Speaker 9 We used to, because we had such a close relationship, I would be, you know, later in my career, it went by seniority.

Speaker 9 So, you know, once I I got into like the middle 2010s, I was one of the oldest guys on the team. So, my slot to meet with Mike, there's 15-minute slots.

Speaker 9 He met with everybody on the team, which I thought was awesome too. Like, literally, everybody on the team got a 15-minute slot.
And most of the time, it went more than that.

Speaker 9 But we would meet, but then we would meet for an extended time

Speaker 9 later in the week or at his house or my house. And,

Speaker 9 you know, I always felt like everything I told Mike,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 got taken to heart.

Speaker 9 And then he would always have things for me to think about, to work on, to

Speaker 9 contemplate in the off-season. So I really appreciate his feedback over the years.
It always made me feel like

Speaker 9 I was being listened to and that there were things that we could improve on moving forward.

Speaker 9 But those meetings went hours. These were much shorter than that.
I gave some constructive things.

Speaker 9 There's always things.

Speaker 9 There's so much that goes into the whole thing. There's the food bar, there's the locker room, there's travel, there's hotel stuff, there's different, you know, you're just giving little constructive

Speaker 9 things here and there that maybe they take to heart, maybe they don't.

Speaker 9 But I think there's always ways to improve. And I was impressed to see that, you know, the meeting with Christopher and Jaime was a lot about that.

Speaker 9 The meeting about Woody

Speaker 9 was more about

Speaker 9 team, future, different things. But I think everybody understands that

Speaker 9 it's going to come down to a GM and a a coach and myself

Speaker 9 and whether we all want to

Speaker 9 do a dance together or if

Speaker 9 it's not in the cards.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Tango potential still in New York. If not, there's other spots that are going to be looking for a quarterback.

Speaker 1 If you were to remain a quarterback in the NFL, that's a decision that you obviously will have to make. Open to anything, attached to nothing at the current moment.
You mentioned Big Mike.

Speaker 1 He's available, isn't he?

Speaker 1 Big Mike's going to be out there somewhere. And if they're

Speaker 9 hell of a ball coach, hell of a ball coach.

Speaker 9 What he did this year with the amount of injuries that they had, I thought was amazing. Hearing the guys talk about him, I wasn't surprised just because

Speaker 9 anybody plays for Mike and gets to know him a little bit and get to feel that

Speaker 9 great big heart that he's got.

Speaker 9 It's special.

Speaker 9 You know, it was interesting because anybody knows the business, and Chuck, you know this better than anybody. Most of the time, coaches have an extra year on their deal, right?

Speaker 9 So it gives you that buffer

Speaker 9 if you get released. You have a year to kind of not have to rush back in there.
All these guys, and maybe you can speak more on this, Chuck.

Speaker 9 I'd be interested in what the mindset is, and maybe if this has ever happened to you, but I think most of the coaches on the staff went into the season without another year on their deal.

Speaker 9 They were in their last year of their deal. That's a freaking tough way to go about doing it with no guarantees afterwards.
Have you ever been in that position before, Chuck? Yeah,

Speaker 1 you know, after the 2015, the fourth year of my contract, I went in after three years. We made it all the way to the AFC Championship game, got the doors beat off of us.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the boss. Yeah.
Pats. But anyway, you know who it was.
But Aaron went in, and I thought, you know, we were 11-5, 11-5, 11-5, made the playoffs every year, advanced in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And if you're thinking, okay, hey.

Speaker 1 Time to get something new, right?

Speaker 9 Time to get some money here. Let's go.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, I watched like, you know, and I love Jason Garrett. He did a a great job.
He's 8-8, 8, 8, 8, 8. And he got a new six-year deal at 6 or 7 per.

Speaker 1 So I'm thinking, hey, this could be a decent little deal today.

Speaker 1 And only come to find out that, hey, we're just going to, you know, whatever. So I was like, okay,

Speaker 1 forget it. I don't want anything.
I'm going to bet on myself. So he went into that last year

Speaker 1 with nothing.

Speaker 1 And then, Aaron, to have to walk down the hallway when they come in, and this happened a couple of times, and you have to tell your assistant coaches, like they're not re-upping us because every year like you win and you do well they come down they give me the old one they give you a new one and they you always have that year you know and then guys get pissed because they're under contract and then guys won't let them leave well you sign the thing it's it's you know it's insurance it's insurance it's guaranteed it's insurance for you but then on the other hand you know you're not a free because they can block you so to speak but and sometimes sometimes guys will bet on themselves and not sign the contract if they're position coaches that want a chance to interview for a job,

Speaker 9 which I totally respect that. I agree.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 But it's when most of the staff and the head coach and the coordinators don't have, that to me was like.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.

Speaker 9 But I would think there's no, I mean, talk about having zero confidence you're going to be back.

Speaker 1 But to your point about Big Mike and the job that he did, to go in there and then shut the doors and say, okay.

Speaker 1 None of us, including myself, we don't have guarantees. We don't have that extra year, but you know what?

Speaker 1 We signed the contracts. We got the name on the back of our jersey, the decal inside of our helmet, and by God, hey, look, this ain't gonna be a distraction.
We're not gonna talk about this.

Speaker 1 We're gonna prepare, we're gonna coach, we're gonna put the time in, and we'll show them. What would be the reason why Jerry wouldn't bring back Big Mike, you think?

Speaker 1 Like, why do you think Dio would not? You know, there's a lot of speculation out there. I think maybe Coach McCarthy wanted maybe a little bit more from a guarantee standpoint, maybe more years.

Speaker 1 I heard, you know, Troy mentioned this, some other people mention this, that maybe he wanted four or five years, Aaron, and that Jerry maybe was like, okay, we'll do two. So maybe there was something.

Speaker 1 These are all legit. These are all legit.
Yeah, no, yeah, legit. Yeah, but there's rumors hitting like why the deal didn't come play.
I assume Dallas Cowboys will put out their reasons.

Speaker 1 I don't know if Big Mike is a guy that leaks stuff, doesn't feel like he is, but he's on the move. He's going somewhere else.
And Aaron might be on the move too. And Devontae might be on the move too.

Speaker 1 Are we calling up Jordy from the damn farm? Are we putting this thing together? We shall see. Open to anything, attached to nothing.
Now, let's talk about this weekend. I know you have to go.

Speaker 1 We appreciate your time. Tone has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I know you got a lot going on, but will you make it appointment viewing Sunday when the Ravens and Bills play each other? Josh and Lamar are playing each other.

Speaker 2 The winner gets the MVP, we've been told. I think that's how it's going to work out this year.

Speaker 2 And then in your past, did you have any like huge games like that where the where it was you who I mean four MVPs versus someone who was second in MVP like like a matchup of this magnitude

Speaker 9 I mean, you'd have to go back and look at that.

Speaker 9 In 16, I thought like

Speaker 9 maybe I should have won MVP based on the run that we had. And we played in the NFC championship.
The guy that did win MVP, Matt Ryan, and they beat the hell out of us.

Speaker 9 That kind of determined that maybe they made the right decision there.

Speaker 9 But no, we've had some good matchups over the years. Obviously, the NFC Championship against Tom was

Speaker 9 a great matchup. They had a great team.

Speaker 9 Game, felt like we should have won. Obviously, we had made a lot of mistakes in that game.

Speaker 9 But I will say this: this is the problem, and I'm just prognosticating here, but big problem in the football media is

Speaker 9 what is going to happen to the loser of that game?

Speaker 1 Can't get it done. Can't get it done.

Speaker 9 Both guys had incredible seasons, right? Incredible season.

Speaker 9 Josh, you know, I don't know, like until the media, which has a big sway, kind of jumped on the Lamar train, which shit, I don't blame him because he had an incredible season, too.

Speaker 9 But it seemed like it was Josh's MVP

Speaker 9 to win. He had a phenomenal season,

Speaker 9 arguably the best player in the league. And the other guy who would probably be in the conversation besides Saquon is Lamar Jackson.
And just a little Hulhum 41-4

Speaker 9 season for him.

Speaker 9 But again,

Speaker 9 they both haven't

Speaker 9 won been to a Super Bowl, which is everybody's measuring stick for giving somebody some sort of elite status that we have to grovel to receive from

Speaker 9 the media. Is that right?

Speaker 7 You think it's right that way? You guys are judged by Super Bowl wins, I guess.

Speaker 9 Who gives a shit?

Speaker 9 Judged by who?

Speaker 1 Me. Judged

Speaker 1 con man

Speaker 1 tie definitely no associated press

Speaker 1 shaman judge every once in a while of course the associated press tone though i don't know about the shaman down there at the ayahuasca retreat they're certainly judging and maybe in the darkness retreat poor ones do the poor ones associated press tone is definitely judging no doubt that is what he's all about i only lift up

Speaker 1 What

Speaker 1 all right, Aaron, we appreciate you so much. That's a perfect way to end this thing.
You're the man.

Speaker 1 We send positive vibes to everybody, yourself included, over there in Southern California. And we appreciate the hell out of you, man.
Keep y'all.

Speaker 9 Hey, thanks. Thanks, guys.
And once again, just a big shout out to all the incredible men and women in uniform because there was obviously incredible firefighters.

Speaker 9 There was the police who were taking care of everything. We had National Guard protecting the neighborhoods from the looting.

Speaker 9 Just incredible. Those are the real heroes for sure who saved lives and houses and structures and businesses.
And it's going to be a long rebuild

Speaker 9 like

Speaker 9 the devastation post campfire up there in Paradise and post the fires in Santa Rosa and Reading and Maui, obviously.

Speaker 9 But a lot of love going out to anybody that

Speaker 9 lost their homes and a lot of gratitude to everybody out there who's keeping us safe because there's so many incredible men and women who are putting their lives on the line in these crazy, crazy temperature fires and with the 80 to 100 Mount Irwins.

Speaker 9 So appreciate you guys. Chuck, love you, brother.

Speaker 1 Love you too. Me too.

Speaker 9 And your bro as well.

Speaker 9 Love seeing John as well. He's a great man.

Speaker 1 And you're putting him in retirement home, so I hope you feel good about it.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you, man. We echo your sentiment completely.
Obviously, we're not out there, so we're not as close as do it. But thanks to all the people serving the community over there.

Speaker 1 And I'm excited to watch you build back stronger, right? Absolutely.

Speaker 9 Ladies and gentlemen, Pope Cal Strong.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Some of those photos, man. Cool, crazy.
Very crazy. All right.
We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, four-time NFL TV.
Aaron Rodger here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to a break. On the other side, we will cover all the stories that we haven't hit yet across the entire sports world.

Speaker 1 And Chuck Bagano will be making his picks for the entire weekend. Let's go.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And for the national championship.

Speaker 1 Remember, he sucked on Thursday this year. Yep, he did.
But Saturdays, Sundays, guy was great. That's what your words, not ours.
We didn't know.

Speaker 1 How about Mondays? How have you been on Mondays? Well, there was one recent deal i did that counted for like two or three

Speaker 1 yeah yeah of course he's been exact score ravens

Speaker 1 that's right ravens steelers 3510 ravens browns ravens browns 18 last basketball league yeah i remember that exact score that was fun a lot of points but

Speaker 1 not enough lucky very lucky handout season for trucks

Speaker 1 Big time.

Speaker 1 Chuck hadn't take handouts. He's a football game.
No, he did.

Speaker 4 He did, I believe it was the second to last Thursday night game.

Speaker 1 Well, the spread was changing. I'd take that as well.
Lions Packers. That's a hand.

Speaker 1 Nah,

Speaker 1 it's a decisive gift. Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 It's a vibes gift that was presented to Chuck, and he took it.

Speaker 7 He did?

Speaker 1 Especially with the way things were going. Good wording.
3510 is.

Speaker 4 That is worth. I mean, hey, look, that's.

Speaker 1 And you know what's funny? People hit that. People actually bet that.
You know what's funny? You shared that with me. That was really cool.
Yes. true.
I spent $5.30.

Speaker 1 Got like $835 or $900 or something. Yeah, good.
And then he,

Speaker 1 I guess I didn't think about it. The people that tweeted and said they did it are like, Chuck never gives an exact score.

Speaker 1 So whenever I heard it, it was just like, ah, I might as well put some money on that.

Speaker 1 Hits, home. Let's do it again.
Let's do it again. Maybe hit all four games this weekend.
Exact scores. That's the standard.
Competitive millionaire.

Speaker 1 You know what the score of the Baltimore Buffalo game was in week four, I believe, this year? What was it? 35-10. Yeah.
Wait a minute. Are we getting a nose-demand list type situation, Ranger?

Speaker 1 Let's get to a break. That's freaking me out.

Speaker 4 I played a Madden game last night, Ravens, Bills.

Speaker 1 What was the score? 35-10. No.
I swear to God.

Speaker 1 Swear to God. Let's get to a break.
It's freaking me out.

Speaker 4 Derrick Henry had three times. Simulation.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 4 Speaking of.

Speaker 1 Axel Harris, Axel Hawk

Speaker 1 versus sections.

Speaker 1 35 wins, 10 losses. Yeah.
Entire sections of stadiums.

Speaker 1 Think about that.

Speaker 4 Vetter against Toads?

Speaker 1 35, 10.

Speaker 1 Had him early.

Speaker 1 Vetter buried it. Tucked his shirt in, walked right out.
Business has been handled.

Speaker 1 Deal with it.

Speaker 5 Took a massive shite this morning. Thought I lost 35 pounds.
Turns out. Only lost 10.

Speaker 1 Holy

Speaker 1 good. Holy hell.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 any 35 references that you can just kind of come off from your morning that you had here?

Speaker 2 You know, my family tells me I should act like my age, which is 35, but I actually act like I'm 10.

Speaker 4 All right. I like that one, too.

Speaker 1 All things are kind of turning out one way. Yeah.
Let's get to a break.

Speaker 4 I have an update.

Speaker 1 Daniel Lofsky's kids team beat Gunner and Bo yesterday. Wow.
Last night.

Speaker 1 Was it 35?

Speaker 1 Yeah, was it? Definitely. It's 35, too.
I think it ended up being an eight-point differential. Oh, okay.
Or maybe a nine-point differential. Remember? Write the text to everybody.

Speaker 1 He did.

Speaker 1 We're down one with six to go.

Speaker 1 They went on a 10-1 run.

Speaker 1 I said, sweet, you won by eight. And he said, or nine.

Speaker 1 And I said, well, I don't know how math works anymore, I don't think. And I said, congrats on the win.
And they gave a fist pound back.

Speaker 1 Still don't know what the final score was, but I know it wasn't 35-10.

Speaker 1 I was going to say. Let's call him.
Let's call him up. We need to get an answer on this.

Speaker 4 We need to get an answer on a couple things.

Speaker 1 Because there's some math. Yeah, exactly.
Who is he coaching?

Speaker 4 No, like, what was he doing dancing like that at Jeff Rodson's show?

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're right.

Speaker 1 The internet's the greatest place on earth. I saw Dan Orlovsky getting killed because this guy danced.

Speaker 7 No, getting killed. What do you mean? The guy's a good dancer.

Speaker 1 Hey, Dan, you're a good dancer. That's what the video is.
Yeah, but if you've seen the remarks underneath, it was almost like a pop call. Like, hey, Barry, Dan Orlovsky.

Speaker 1 You know, there's a lot of people been doing that lately. Like, hey, use this as an opportunity to kill somebody.
It's like, oh, great. What was that person doing?

Speaker 1 Just hanging out coaching their kids' game. That's right.
That's all they're doing. And all of a sudden, somebody that happens to be a basic looking white with some color.

Speaker 1 Jennifer Hudson with a little Dan O'Hare.

Speaker 1 It's over. Hey, let me provide another opportunity to kill a guy.

Speaker 1 There isn't enough, but here's another one. And I'll tell you what, Dan deserved it.
Yeah. That guy shouldn't look like him that much.
He shouldn't. That's on Dan.
Dan didn't fucking deserve that.

Speaker 1 Shave your head, Dan. He brings peace on himself.
He tries. Yeah, he lives under the hoop.
That's the thing. He lives under the hoop like he lives there.
So every once in a while, he's going to Wemby.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, but every once in a while, he's going to get jail, Vince Carter.

Speaker 1 And it does. It does happen today.
And you know what he does? He goes right back in the paint.

Speaker 4 Dusts off his paint.

Speaker 1 Oh, he never stays down.

Speaker 1 You bury him 10 times.

Speaker 1 He'll give a wild take 11 times. Finger.
There's no stopping the Merlovsky train.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 Sounded like he really wanted to coach. Did you hear that yesterday? It was like an interview whenever he was on.
Yep. He was laying it out.

Speaker 1 I don't know what his contract status is in the TV world, but like it felt like he was.

Speaker 7 What was the Unexpected Doors subtweet that he put out? That's another, when you put that onto how he was speaking, you're like, okay, what's going on?

Speaker 1 He is a subtle. Shit, so annoying, man.
Tagging.

Speaker 1 Buyouts got to be nothing.

Speaker 1 You fart that much on TV. Your buyouts can't be that.
Oh, he fried another offer. Exactly.
All right, let's get to a break. He did not answer.
What's his deal? What's that all about?

Speaker 1 Hey, quick shout-out.

Speaker 1 What's that, brother? Quick shout-out.

Speaker 1 Of course. Yes.
Constance. Yeah.
Wait, is this Palestine? Is it January 16th?

Speaker 1 Sis lost her house. Oh, no.
She lives in the Palestinian. 40 years there.
Good shout out. So shout out to Constance.
Gumpy, if you want to say some cold crap. Serious crap.

Speaker 1 That would be controlling somebody.

Speaker 1 Right next door to Aaron, right there by Malibu. We would like to let Connie know that we are so sorry that that happened to her and many others.
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 To be clear, I think Connor and myself thought a positive thing was coming. Like another birthday.

Speaker 11 A shout-out usually isn't somebody.

Speaker 1 No, here is. Hey, a bingo hole victory for the first time.
Here's the positive, right?

Speaker 4 She's getting $750 from Joe Biden.

Speaker 1 Already moving forward. Like, okay, look, we've got our lives.
We've got our health. We've got our kids.
Life's good. It's a material thing.
You can rebuild. You can start over.
Connie, we love you.

Speaker 1 Good luck, Connie. That's a great mindset.

Speaker 1 That's not an easy mindset. Not everybody's going to be able to have that immediately, but that's why she's an absolute G.
That's right.

Speaker 1 I do not envy anybody. There she is.
Greatest sumo restaurant

Speaker 1 has ever had. Tomo oregato.
Tomo. Constance Pagano.

Speaker 1 Yes. Tomo oregato.
Constance Pagano. Tomo.
Constance oregato. Constanto.
Constance Pagano. Ohio, Constance.
Good morning, I believe.

Speaker 1 Japanese. Do not touch on my mustache.
No,

Speaker 1 that got us in trouble. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 Do not touch my mustache. Is that what it was? It sounded like they were saying, do not touch my mustache.
You said sayonara. So I just started saying that sayonara that plays over there no um

Speaker 1 their language sounds nothing like ours no no at all yeah i'd say and it reads nothing like ours either over there no so you hear something that sounds like what you're saying it's almost like what my 21 month old is doing now sure she makes the sounds of what the words are all of them

Speaker 1 dropped a no shit the other day it was awesome i've never seen i've never been more like proper usage right there yes you know i don't know if she knew what it was right but she you know she's doing the sounds that was very much what it was like over in Japan with Japanese because I was trying to embrace these people.

Speaker 1 They are not talkers outside of their house. No.

Speaker 1 It is a very quiet society. I was trying to really have a good time over there and embrace it.
And I trying to talk. And I'm a communicator, I think.

Speaker 1 And the words were tough. The words were tough.
But one of the translators sent me in there.

Speaker 1 I thought I was saying one thing.

Speaker 1 I was saying something else. He gave you a bomb.

Speaker 1 Well, no, because I'm an American in Japan, so that would, uh, that's, that is still part, that is still, yeah, it doesn't play. They gave us a lot of warnings, actually.
Do not go to here.

Speaker 1 There are still some. Do not go here.
And obviously, we had

Speaker 1 directly there. Had a great time.
It was a beautiful country, beautiful culture. Yeah.
Legitimately. Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 People are much nicer to us than I think they were telling us they were going to be to us. I think a lot of people were expecting them to not be.

Speaker 1 We got along well over there, I think, in Japan. I think we made some real friends.
Unbelievable. You ever seen a place so, like, as many people that live there

Speaker 1 and how clean and how much order there is? I mean, there is no BS going on. And

Speaker 1 there's no cops. There's no, there's nobody.
I mean, everybody just minds their own business, to your point about not talking. They had the mask on long before they were required.

Speaker 1 Everybody was wearing them over there. And you're talking about no cops.
Thank God, because Chuck kicked a door down in one of the bars. So

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, we got out of there quickly. I don't think we earned any friends in that particular establishment, but we found another.
And we got a lot more. Did we ever? We found a few.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's some sake. A lot of sake.
A lot of sake. Hey, hey, quail eggs and sake.
That's yes, I agree.

Speaker 1 Hey.

Speaker 1 Talk about seeing some.

Speaker 1 Well, the door.

Speaker 1 What's that, brother?

Speaker 7 You drink sake cold or hot?

Speaker 1 I've had it both ways. Both.
There's also a

Speaker 1 rattlesnake

Speaker 1 moonshine. Well, in those bottles.
Venom? That hunter? Yeah. All those bottles had the snake in them.
Yeah. Real fucking wild.
Yeah, it was wild shit.

Speaker 1 I mean, there was some wild shit over there, and I feel like they they were taking advantage just because we were dumb Americans, but we weren't on board with it. We had a great time.
I'll go back.

Speaker 1 How about Gant? He had family there. Yeah, we met up with an uncle.
He's working in the

Speaker 1 stock market over there because it's 12 hours ahead, 16 hours ahead, or something like that.

Speaker 1 So normally the Japanese market is a good indicator on what's going to happen. In the United States market, so he was over there in Tokyo.
I mean, it was crushing it. I feel like we learned a lot.

Speaker 1 He took us to a local sushi place. I mean, it was.

Speaker 4 That was good.

Speaker 1 We got good boozed up there. Yeah, we got pretty.

Speaker 1 The ride over, I think we

Speaker 1 had a

Speaker 1 train ride.

Speaker 1 That took forever. We got pretty fucked up pretty much everywhere we were.
We should go. We did our thing, USO, which was great to see all the military.

Speaker 1 The military families that are living over there, which is a lot, we got a lot of people in Japan. We got an entire island in Japan down there.

Speaker 1 The families of those who are serving, living a completely backwards life. It feels like that USO trip is one where they're like actually appreciative that like American culture is there.

Speaker 1 You know, I think some USO tours you go on,

Speaker 1 they're not necessarily thrilled that they have to come meet. You know, they're in the middle of some, you know, we are not at necessarily.

Speaker 1 But this one was like a lot, I think, for the families, because it was like a piece of American culture was over there.

Speaker 1 Even the people that weren't Colts fans were like happy to see some American culture.

Speaker 1 And then as we were transporting to the next town or next city, we certainly wanted to wanted to say hello to the locals. Sure.
Yes, we do. And we did.
We did. You got to get a feel for it.

Speaker 1 I got to understand what the culture was. Don't know if I'm going to get back.
Godzilla.

Speaker 1 It's so much. Godzilla.
Yeah, Godzilla Anthony Costanzo. You should have seen him over there.

Speaker 1 What's this one?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's abnormal where we come from, too.

Speaker 1 And then we just kept it rolling. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who might be able to clarify some things.
Dan Orlaski.

Speaker 1 Dan, how you doing, Bub?

Speaker 1 I'm great. How are you? I'd be much better if you answered some questions.
Thank you for taking the time here. It looks like you're in transport from one television show to the next.

Speaker 1 And we talked about you coaching in the NFL potentially tomorrow or next year. And then you chat about your coaching championship game last night.
And I texted with you.

Speaker 1 I told the boys you said you were down one with six to go. Then you go on a 10-1 run.
And I said, oh, you win by eight. And then you said, or nine.

Speaker 1 And then we said, nonetheless, congratulations on a big-time win. You guys stuffed Boeing Gunner.
How do Orlovsky boys play? And how much did you actually win? by?

Speaker 1 Because I don't think I understand the math equation enough.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it wasn't a championship game. It was just undefeated undefeated versus undefeated.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Season's just kind of getting started.

Speaker 7 I don't think I said championship game. Two and over.
I just said big game.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 7 it wasn't too and it didn't. I never said it was a championship game.

Speaker 1 Kind of made us feel like it was

Speaker 1 a championship. Everybody kind of thought it was a championship.
I think, AJ, you thought it was a championship match? Yeah. Yeah, I did.
Toxic table. Without a doubt.

Speaker 7 No basketball is fucking a championship game in Jane, like the early Jane tournaments.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you're right. They don't play weekend tournaments.
Yeah, that isn't a thing. That was a shirt and t-shirt.

Speaker 7 Well, it wasn't a weekend. It was a Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that's where the championship is because it was decided on a weekend, obviously.

Speaker 1 Midweek.

Speaker 1 More eyes on us in Watch Film.

Speaker 7 Bo had some success. He had some good reverse layups

Speaker 1 and some steals.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 That was his go-to move. It was frustrating.

Speaker 1 Gunner.

Speaker 7 Gunner had some good shots, but I do think defensively as a team, we did a solid job.

Speaker 7 Gunner.

Speaker 7 my sons, Noah, stunk. Uh,

Speaker 7 no, he wasn't, he wasn't strong enough with the ball.

Speaker 7 In my opinion, uh,

Speaker 7 he played hard, he played hard uh, for moments, but I think he could play harder. Hunter played, hunter played his rear end off, three and D guy, um, played very good defensively.

Speaker 4 Um, that's your boy.

Speaker 7 I think the

Speaker 7 I, I, I, I don't, it was either 42 to 33

Speaker 7 or 43 to 32. It's one of those.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, that would either be 11 or 9. Neither of them would be 8, which is the math that you gave me immediately after the game.
But nonetheless, we are very happy. How about Hendrix and Ari?

Speaker 1 Ari put up a couple good shots. Ari could hoop now.
That kid could hoop.

Speaker 7 The only downside is

Speaker 7 he's got to work on his perimeter game. He's got to work on his perimeter game, but

Speaker 7 he can get to the rack. A couple Euro steps by him.

Speaker 7 Hendrix was who I thought he was. Just plays really, really good.
Decent

Speaker 7 hustles to the ball. Not a scoring threat, though, right now.
Not a scoring threat, but plays as tail off.

Speaker 1 Well, all these bullshit are obviously going to get better because of good coaching.

Speaker 1 After yesterday's announcement to the world that you're definitely going to get into coaching next year, if you get the opportunity, has any more people called you? And what are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 7 Jeez, dude, you came in such a position with these, man.

Speaker 1 That's journalism. Hashtag.

Speaker 7 I have had one more person reach out since that moment. Never guessed.
I haven't spoken to them. It was just a brief text message, and I have to call them.

Speaker 7 I still feel the same way.

Speaker 1 What they say, hey, man, I heard your offensive playbook is going to be all the good plays and none of the bad plays. Why doesn't everybody do that? Do you want to come to join our teams?

Speaker 1 Is that what they said?

Speaker 7 Verbatim. No, they just said, hey,

Speaker 7 are you seriously entertaining coaching? And I responded back with, yeah, it's something I'm interested in. And they said,

Speaker 1 can we talk today and i said sure all right excited to hear how that goes hopefully you'll keep us updated the world you'll sub tweet your way through it hopefully and uh congrats to your lovski boys noah let's tighten it up come on a lot of season left brother dad's pissed at you dude

Speaker 1 the hunter way to go

Speaker 7 i gotta get noah to play hard all the time he's still like

Speaker 7 he's still kind of just at moments does it at moments i'm like what are we doing dude hey you're the teaching you're allowing it that's right smack him around your mano explode

Speaker 1 I said to him. That's part of your resume.
That's part of your resume. That's right.
You heard Chuck, Chuck's former coach.

Speaker 7 Coach, I told him last night during a play where he didn't do what I kind of had stressed. He didn't get on the ground for a loose ball.
And I looked at him.

Speaker 7 I said, either get on the ground or get off the court.

Speaker 1 I like that. He's exactly crazy.

Speaker 1 What do you do? He crawled off the court, rolled off the court, or did he

Speaker 1 stay on her?

Speaker 7 He's pretty good with that stuff.

Speaker 7 I can't do that to Hunter because Hunter will

Speaker 7 still kind of get too emotional about it. He's pretty good at all right.

Speaker 7 He gets into the right mindset after that.

Speaker 1 You got to coach each person individually. Exactly.
You got to be able to reach everyone. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Hopefully, more people will understand that you're ready to coach because last night, Bo and Gunner had no shot. They knew it.
They knew it going in. And there's a lot of season left.

Speaker 1 Congrats on still being undefeated, even though you missed Let us all think it was a championship. We're still happy about an early season Wednesday win

Speaker 1 for your boys. Ladies and gentlemen, what's that?

Speaker 7 Hey, tell Deeput. Deeput just texted me saying, wear a seatbelt.

Speaker 1 You should. It's a good point.
Are you in a front seat or back seat?

Speaker 7 I'm not driving.

Speaker 1 I'm not driving.

Speaker 4 So what? You can kill everybody if you don't have a seatbelt in a car.

Speaker 1 Not you, but you could in your own car. Yeah.
I don't know how you would do it because their body

Speaker 1 chopped the driver's head off.

Speaker 1 Break everybody's neck.

Speaker 4 What a muscle.

Speaker 1 Aqush.

Speaker 1 Aqush, very thankful for the seatbelt. Now, granted, you can actually see the seatbelt welt across his entire stomach around his body.
And then you see bruising. Almost looks internally.
Yeah, bad.

Speaker 1 Bad bruising around the rest of his stomach because a drunk driver smoked him last week whenever he got home back to Phoenix. AQ? Airbags, the whole thing, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it looks nasty. It looks very, very nasty.

Speaker 1 I've never been a seatbelt wearer. Okay, never.

Speaker 1 Because when I was younger, one of my friend's uncles died in a crash because he couldn't couldn't get the seatbelt off. It was actually melted.
It was a fire. So like, I heard that.

Speaker 1 And then every time I hear somebody be like, well, a seatbelt saves your lives. I'm like, well, I actually heard.

Speaker 4 I know, okay.

Speaker 1 There is a situation where it was the complete opposite that happened. So I always thought about that.

Speaker 1 But then like, you know, you hear these stories, like AQ shares a story, and then somebody else shares a story. And then something happens at a, like a game day person has a story.

Speaker 1 And it's like, now with my daughter,

Speaker 1 I fucking put that thing on. And every time I put it on, it's like,

Speaker 1 like it's the first time in my life I put it on. I always go, yeah.
Doing right.

Speaker 1 I'm wearing a seatbelt i always feel like i'm uh an adult now you can't do it obviously all right we understand we understand you trust the driver i guess trust the driver i'm bad at it too i'm bad at it i'm bad at it me too i actually had it in and around the back of the seat so i didn't even have to feel it and i didn't have to hear the beeping that's why i used to be now every time

Speaker 1 click it up click it or ticket brother

Speaker 1 i don't love that that became a rule i don't think they should be looking for more reasons to pull people over i don't think that's a thing anymore it isn't yeah yeah it's a secondary ticket okay good but i'm sure they can find a primary reason to get you on this like a different car look phones are primary now

Speaker 1 yeah sure phones phones are distracted driving is a big topic of conversation not good at that either i'm curious i ride motorcycle you know what are you good so i see like you actually see into cars

Speaker 1 and it's like if you're in a two-lane and you can see in the car phone it's like we're either gunning this by them or we are we are not going to, you can tell, like, when people are,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say like a ticking time, but almost.

Speaker 1 Yeah, leaning, you know, and it's like, we do got to get better as a society so we can all continue to enjoy all the benefits of technology that we have. So let's continue.
Let's not fuck it up.

Speaker 1 And let's stop drunk driving. Okay.
Let's wear our seatbelts so we stay alive for our family.

Speaker 1 If that's how you feel.

Speaker 1 And let's enjoy this life. All right, coach.
We appreciate you, man.

Speaker 7 All right, boys.

Speaker 1 All right, dude. I'll throw a shocker your way, too, bro.
Shocker.

Speaker 4 Slater. Why were you dancing at that show earlier?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jennifer Hudson show. What were you doing?

Speaker 7 You're good, man. Yeah, good and good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got moved. I said that video.

Speaker 7 Is that that video that's everyone tagging me in type today?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. They're not just tagging me.
They're also supporting. You're grooving, brother.

Speaker 1 You got a good knee bend, I'll say. Yeah.
I don't expect that out of you. Do we have that? Yeah.
I'm sure we can blow it up.

Speaker 1 What are you doing?

Speaker 1 I missed it. Down in time.
How's the appearance go? Was it a typical white?

Speaker 1 No, no. Look at a knee bend.

Speaker 7 Your hips feel great.

Speaker 1 No, go earlier. Go early the whole thing.

Speaker 7 Yeah, there's a little bit more to it. Yeah, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 There it is, Dan. Let me hear it.

Speaker 1 They make a noise.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. They are glad.
How is it for you? Good for me. Good for us.

Speaker 4 Daniel Orlovsky.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hey, team.
I think, I don't know if he was necessarily pumped that he was going to do this. Didn't look at the camera one time, kind of stayed away from it.

Speaker 1 A little shy in a way, but absolutely killed it. There's Dano on the way out.
Is that NFL Live every day? Jazz Hands. Right Right in the Jennifer Edson show.
Hey. Hey.

Speaker 1 Hey. All right, Dan.
Think about adding on to the right show. Go ahead.

Speaker 7 We don't know who that is.

Speaker 4 He's an actor from Abbott Elementary, I believe.

Speaker 1 Great show. That shows a good one.
That's got Joel on it?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Abbott Elementary? Joel.
Yeah, Joel's in it. Joel who? Joel Austin.

Speaker 2 No, there's only three Joels. There's Joel Klatt, Joel Austin, and then Joel.

Speaker 1 Joel McHale. That bingo thing.
And he's on Abbott Elementary? He's not. God, no.
He's on.

Speaker 4 A similar type of show, though.

Speaker 1 I love Joel McCaille. He was on for Washington on game day.
Correct. Came in full body paint.
Yeah. Dog.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 And I picked up a dog, I think. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not his dog. No, the husky.
Yeah, and held. And they got paint on dog legend.

Speaker 1 So he's not an Abbott Elementary. He is not.
Who is an Abbott Elementary dog?

Speaker 5 Zach Gregger is Quinta Brunson.

Speaker 1 It's won a bunch of awards.

Speaker 5 So, yeah, it's nobody you would know. Oh, have you seen Parent Trap with Lindsey Love?

Speaker 1 I have.

Speaker 5 I have seen that. You know, Jesse, the one who is like Dennis Quaid's housekeeper?

Speaker 1 Yes. She's in that.
Okay. There you go.
Parent Trap's a good movie.

Speaker 1 Housekeeper has a great role

Speaker 1 together. Very important role in that entire movie is the housekeeper.
Yeah, there she is, Lisa Ann Walter. Yep, bingo.
That is her. Yep.
Huge role in Parent Trap. Without a doubt.
I do remember that.

Speaker 1 Lisa and Walter.

Speaker 1 So there actually isn't a white guy in the show.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Chris Perfetti, the guy who...

Speaker 1 Chris Perfetti. That's not.
So I was way off. I mean, I wasn't even close to guessing somebody in this particular show.
No, no.

Speaker 5 Joel McHale does have a show on Fox, though. This is an NBC show.

Speaker 1 Of course it is.

Speaker 1 Dana, why don't you get into acting instead of coaching? We need you out there, especially with those dance moves. We appreciate you, man.

Speaker 7 Not happen. Later.

Speaker 1 Are you on NFL Live today, or we got more TikToks to make?

Speaker 7 NFL Live and then Sports Center at 6.

Speaker 1 All right. Well,

Speaker 1 hang loose, bro. Approach it, bro.
Good luck, bro. I'll throw that thing at you.

Speaker 1 You got this, bro.

Speaker 1 Certainly had us believing that was a championship game last night.

Speaker 1 Only reason why we asked about Gunner and Bo and Hendrix and Ari is because we wanted another championship line. Think of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's all right. Now we're falling the season with these boys.
Exactly. No one Hunter need to tighten it up.
Hey, let's win an Addie, boys.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if that's possible at that age and what level they're at, but let's win this thing. I'm pulling for them.
Bo and Gunner are going to come back stronger if I know anything about him.

Speaker 1 No doubt. A lot of season left for Bo and Gunner.
Based on what he said, get on the floor or get off.

Speaker 5 I like that. Based on what he he said about Hendrix, that kid's going to be a fucking wrestler.

Speaker 1 Defensive

Speaker 1 can't score yet.

Speaker 5 He ain't going to be a basketball player, so he should have fun while he can.

Speaker 1 They're still trying to learn their way. Yep.
You know, basketball will certainly teach him something that'll help him in whatever sport he goes into. Or maybe he becomes

Speaker 1 an assassin. Yeah, he could.
Maybe. We don't know.

Speaker 7 Ari. We know Ari's the best player on the team.
We know that. Dan keeps shading him for some reason and won't like.
We have to ask him to keep bringing him up.

Speaker 1 Well, I think it's because he and Hunter potentially play similar roles on the team. But Ari.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Euros. Euro

Speaker 1 name like that.

Speaker 1 Gonna go. All right.
Let's get to a break. We're back on the other side.
Chuck Ragono will pick all the games this weekend. Football.
I'm excited to hear it. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 This should be good.

Speaker 1 I'm excited. I've done a lot of research.
What are all these notes?

Speaker 1 Can't see him behind our stack of papers, but he's got a bunch of papers too. Four notebooks.

Speaker 1 How many notebooks this year?

Speaker 1 I think four.

Speaker 1 Chase. Or 500 grand.
Yeah. Come on.
You know what question I wanted to ask Dan? Chase Louise. What's that? And I'll ask you boys a question.

Speaker 1 Do you think the text was from a guy that's currently employed as a head coach or one that's possibly? Martin Davis.

Speaker 7 I assume Mark Davis was the text.

Speaker 2 To Dan?

Speaker 1 Call Dan. Call Dan back.
Call Dan Back. Let's ask him that question.
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because somebody trying to put a

Speaker 1 putting a staff together to pitch the staff? Yeah. Or does somebody have a hole in their staff? My guess would be

Speaker 1 one of the newbies.

Speaker 1 Or maybe somebody that's going to lose a guy to a job. That's the only two options, right? Hey, Tan Rolovsky is back.
Hey, Chuck has a question for you. You can obviously choose not to answer it.

Speaker 1 So the text that you got, I was just curious, was that from a coach that's currently employed as a head coach or one that possibly is going to be employed as a head coach?

Speaker 7 He would be one that has the potential to become employed as one.

Speaker 1 Okay, so they're like pitching staffs, trying to see what the staff would be. Have you gotten messages from people that have a staff and maybe lose a position coach

Speaker 7 dude ah yes okay good

Speaker 1 climate in wisconsin potentially all right we appreciate you ladies and gentlemen

Speaker 1 i can get you more mansion

Speaker 1 before you make that decision make sure you make that decision call me yeah well he's gone he don't want to hear it coach you got 36 years of coaching football why the would he want your advice he's hung up on your face yeah

Speaker 7 what if it was lombo though what if it was lombo trying to see if he wants to be the ocean north North Carolina?

Speaker 2 I know they respect each other.

Speaker 1 They got one. They got one.
He hired Freddie Kitchens. Who? Oh, he did.
They retained him.

Speaker 1 Oh, he retained him. Yeah, he retained Freddie, I think.
At North Carolina? Yeah. Man, I just

Speaker 1 thought he was a McDaniels right here. I don't think he's the OC, though.
No. At least I thought I read that.
He ain't coming to Newton.

Speaker 4 Who? Dan Orlofsky. I heard you just say Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 That ain't happening. No, well, I'm talking about down in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 I said to Lombardi, Josh McDaniels potentially going to be available depending upon what happens up in New England or other places. I didn't even know they kept Freddie Kitchens down there.

Speaker 1 Once again, there's me just fucking saying something very disrespectful without knowing it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't think he's OC either.

Speaker 1 Okay, good, good, good. He's a big, big fella, too.
Well, he's. I don't know how big Miles is.
I didn't even know who Miles Teller was. I had to look him up.

Speaker 1 So I learned about him on Top Gun, but he's a child star, I guess, from way back. I did not know.
I didn't watch any of the games.

Speaker 1 I didn't play any of the games. You know, I didn't do that.

Speaker 7 I don't know if he's a, is he a child? Was he a child? I mean, he was in movies when he was young, I guess, but I don't think he was on like Nickelodeon, was he?

Speaker 5 No, but like as a teenager, he started.

Speaker 5 nice who was he in it wasn't mickey mouse clubhouse project x was probably like that's the one he played miles teller yeah he played himself but he wasn't like a big-time superstar at the time no

Speaker 1 but he was in a lot of what was the one he talked about that awkward moment yeah yeah he mentions that movie all the time i've never seen it mid-20s late 20s who watched that movie was that a kids movie no when we were in like probably after college so he's not a child star no is it a rom-com yeah yeah i'd say rom-com

Speaker 1 about him what's a rom-com a romantic comedy it's

Speaker 1 You don't know.

Speaker 7 Wait, what Matt McConaughey did for 10 years?

Speaker 2 That awkward moment was 2014.

Speaker 1 Vince Vaughn, Matthew McConaughey, those types of things. I thought that was like, yeah.
What'd you think it was? Corno? What do you think?

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Miles Teller's shit. Whipping dick around her.
That's what you think. You think he's the only famous guy? That is one of the gags.
I'm not going to say anything bad. I learned a lot from John.

Speaker 1 Certainly not. Miles Teller.
I don't want to be walking through a deal with a neck brace on. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Listen, he would have looked bad if he fought a guy in a neck brace, especially after what was coming out of Hawaii. I knew that.
And if he fought Joe Pagano in a neck brace? Jeez.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'd be a tough fuck.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine Chris Pratt and Miles Teller, though, just both fighting me at that moment? I mean, I walked in. It couldn't have been a more worst timing

Speaker 1 group of celebrities of all time.

Speaker 4 That was when Chris Pratt was like trading for the terminal list, too.

Speaker 1 So he was strapped down. He was down there.
He was carrying trading.

Speaker 1 And that was the first thing I'd seen in Chris Pratt was Jurassic World. Then I watched

Speaker 1 the Terminalist with Jack Carr, and I'm like, wow, I love this guy. He's got a man.

Speaker 1 He's the greatest human of all time. I wish I could go back in time.
That's all me. Didn't watch a lot of movies.
Didn't watch a lot of shows.

Speaker 1 Books, not really my thing either. So I'm learning as we go.
A lot of good people out there.

Speaker 4 Chris Pratt's great.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 He's a great actor. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow War, also a great one on Amazon. And what was the one where he was here in Indiana?

Speaker 3 Parks and Rec. Boom.

Speaker 4 That was his start. Yeah.
And he's like the best part of that show.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 He was homeless, right? Didn't they say he was homeless? Yeah, he's like the

Speaker 1 parts of it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he lived in a hole for a little bit.

Speaker 1 His life. Jovial fat guy.

Speaker 5 Oh, in real life. Yeah, he was in Hawaii, just like living in a van on the beach down there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it costs a lot of money to get to Hawaii, so you make that decision to do that, which is kind of not really doing much. No, yeah.
In your life, you were becoming superstar?

Speaker 5 He worked at Bubba Gump and kept making,

Speaker 5 he was a waiter, and he kept making some girl laugh. And she was like a big-time talent exec in L.A.

Speaker 1 And she was like, hey, you should leave here and move to LA and that's all she wrote yeah legit congrats Chris Pratt sorry for disrespecting Jurassic World I think you watched it you knew where I was coming from I think that actually happened I don't think he's in a new one yeah I'm not doing that again he's married to Arnold's daughter the script was too good he's a George Schneeger really

Speaker 1 they have a kid

Speaker 1 How's Arnold? I saw him walking the other day. He looked like

Speaker 1 they canceled the Super

Speaker 1 commercial with All State or State Farm. Yeah.
Yeah, because everything that's going on. Let's get to a break.
Aaron's starting to dive into that it was

Speaker 1 yeah there's a couple i'm not even gonna get into that dietrey with that being said i've been listening to all of it for the last three four days coming out of there bill bird did it a bit last night it's a lot with leadership out there it's crazy well it's just like when covet happened like um your local positions

Speaker 1 like back in the day mayor were you taking care of uh

Speaker 1 potholes yeah some other in most cities now i'm not talking about l a la is vastly different obviously la got a lot going on, but in most cities, it's like, what are you normally dealing with on day to day?

Speaker 1 Let's cut ribbon here. Let's do some initiatives for our schooling.

Speaker 1 Build a field. Let's build a house, maybe a shelter.

Speaker 1 Let's do that type. And then COVID happened and now the spotlight was on.

Speaker 1 Now local leadership meant more than ever. And I think a lot of people saw a lot of things and were like, well, how is this happening? And then here, this takes place.

Speaker 1 And it's like, shh, well, how is this? I don't.

Speaker 1 Every time, seemingly, there's been a lot of people that have failed to test.

Speaker 1 And when it comes to that particular thing, thing but then we got to remember there's probably some people somewhere that do not get highlighted that are doing great work that are in public service even in la right now as they're continuing to try to figure it all out so let's remember there's always good in everything even though there's always going to be assholes we have to remember that in life you know some people think we're the assholes sure

Speaker 7 way more good there's way more good than terrible but the terrible ones just stick out more negativity hogs the publicity but let's never forget that there's heroes that walk walk amongst us.

Speaker 1 For every bad thing, there's somebody good or a group of people good trying to combat it. That's always happening.
But this one is always going to be talked about more. We're lucky to be alive.

Speaker 1 Let's never forget it. We thank everybody that runs into the dangers as opposed to running away from it.

Speaker 1 It is wonderful. That's A.J.
Hawk, the Toxic Tables here at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt. One half of the hammer.
Dad. Cowboys AP Tone is here.

Speaker 1 Are you worried about your AP votes officially being released to the public and the decisions that you made, the careers that you potentially altered, pal?

Speaker 2 No, no, I did the work. I did my due diligence.
I feel really good about everything.

Speaker 1 I like that. Nice.

Speaker 4 Stand by it. That does.
That was strong.

Speaker 1 SOB. SOP.
Let's go to the other half of the hammer. Don.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino. Gumpy, how you feeling, pal?

Speaker 11 All is well. Great day to be alive.

Speaker 1 National championship on Monday. Divisional round over the next couple of days.
This is a great time to be a football fan, buddy. Juiced up.
How about the Dolphins?

Speaker 11 We stink.

Speaker 11 It is what it is.

Speaker 11 Next year is, I said it this year, but next year is officially make or break. If you don't make the playoffs, you don't win a playoff game.
Mike McDaniel will be gone. Tuo possibly gone.

Speaker 11 It'll be a start all over again.

Speaker 1 There's a chance that that's the same thing with the Colts. There's a chance.

Speaker 1 Not 100% sure, but there's a chance that it is a make or break year.

Speaker 1 And you would think that that would have happened already a few different times, but now it feels like we are definitely in one of those.

Speaker 1 A man who used to be the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts, 36 years in the football coaching world, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL, Chuck Baglaws. Maybe Chuck.

Speaker 1 Chuck, the coaching cycle is obviously, is it one of high anxiety for people or is this great opportunity, you think, if you're a coach sitting around the NFL right now?

Speaker 1 As far as like if you're one of the guys that's potentially got one of these jobs or you're out of work and you're trying to get a So Dan Orlofsky right there said that somebody who's potentially putting together a staff has potentially reached out to him see if he would like to be a part of it or whatever and they're going to talk today and more how many different people with quarterback position is a head coach potentially sending texts to to find out how many quarterback coaches they have they're just trying to get a sense and a feel of hey if i was to get a job would you come with me what is the likelihood of that part of the selling point when you go in to interview for these jobs is one of the biggest factors is like who's going to be your OC, who's going to be your DC.

Speaker 1 If you're not necessarily a head coach that's going to call one side of it, you're a defensive guy or an offensive guy.

Speaker 1 So you're going to have to have a list that you've put together and you've had a list of names and people that you've worked with, some that you haven't, but you've vetted a ton of people and you need to go in there with probably three or four names

Speaker 1 at each spot. Because you're obviously like, you've got A, you've got B, you've got C, you've got D.

Speaker 1 And that's coordinator spots, special teams, assistants, you know, every spot on defense, every position, you know, spot on offense. So

Speaker 1 because you're going to have to go in and sell yourself, you're going to have to go in and sell your vision, your identity, what your culture is going to look like, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 But then, okay, who's the staff?

Speaker 1 Who's going to be, you know, if you're a defensive guy, you're going into Chicago, the main thing that Warren and Poles and those guys are going to want to know is, like, okay, who's the OC?

Speaker 1 Who's the quarterback coach? And who's going to get this dude

Speaker 1 to where we need him? need him to be.

Speaker 1 You would hope that's what they're looking for. We don't know if that's the case.
It is the Chicago Bears. True, true.

Speaker 1 No offense to Chicago Bears, but I think Chicago Bears fans understand that that is a very reasonable question to ask at this standpoint. At Viva Lazito, is that accurate? Very accurate, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would hope that that was potentially be what they're looking at, but they might get wild by something else. You never know.
You never know with Chicago. They're asking around.

Speaker 4 I mean, they wanted to interview Marcus Freeman. They did.
You know, they want to do all this cool Zaney stuff. I saw they did David Shaw the other day.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? I like David Shaw. Obviously, he had a great run up there at Stanford, I believe.
And then, you know, Marcus Freeman near Chicago. Yeah.
A lot of Irish in Chicago. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, and potentially locational type thing, but also maybe Marcus Freeman's agent. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Which is also weird.

Speaker 7 Smart. That'd be smart.

Speaker 1 Marcus Freeman just signed a four-year extendo. Yeah.
Big old. This year.

Speaker 10 Not sure if you guys heard about Big Mike last night. He ate about 72 ounces of steak after his interview with the Bears.

Speaker 1 Okay, by himself or?

Speaker 10 It was family style, but he took the whole steak down himself.

Speaker 1 Okay, it was family style. Who was all there?

Speaker 10 All Bears brass.

Speaker 1 Okay, so after the interview,

Speaker 1 let's go get a steak. And Big Mike says, sounds good to me.

Speaker 1 And he walks over there and he cleans out the family style. They spread out.
He cleaned it out, yeah. They had it chopped up on a plate in front of everybody.
Hey, let's go ahead and pass that around.

Speaker 1 That's mine. He meets it.
That's all I'm going to bear. Don.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how we're doing it around here. You want a guy who wants to eat a steak, right? That's what we're looking for.

Speaker 10 He impressed the brass by that, yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the brass were impressed by the steak eating.

Speaker 1 Yes. Man, this guy's a real carnivore, man.
Hire him.

Speaker 4 Maybe that's why they've sung for so long. Hey, this guy can eat eat a bunch of fucking steak.

Speaker 1 You think Caleb was impressed? Because to me, that's the guy that's calling the shots right now and what he wants. You think Caleb Williams is calling the shots at Chicago?

Speaker 1 Oh, you saw the podcast he was on, right? The St. Brown Brothers podcast, where he's talking about this, that, and the other, what he's looking for.
No,

Speaker 1 he's laying in bed with his head up against the pillow on the backboard. I mean,

Speaker 1 Chuck loves his posture. Chuck, he's laying down.
He's

Speaker 1 like a very QB1 like him. Can we pull that,

Speaker 1 please? I've not seen that.

Speaker 1 I've not seen this guy. He's laid out like you know, pillows, like he just got out of damn bed, like he's still in bed.
It's three and a half.

Speaker 1 He just got that workout, he's in between two days, three days, maybe. He's getting better.

Speaker 5 He doesn't know what time they filmed it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he also doesn't know what time it is because all he is is in between first workout and third workout. That's all he is.
I asked him, What do you want?

Speaker 1 What are you looking for in the next head coach? And he gave an answer. He basically said he gave a big answer.

Speaker 4 He said, Ben Johnson, essentially.

Speaker 1 So, this is kind of the thing because I remember in hard knocks, remember he was telling Roma Dunze how he wanted the routes run

Speaker 1 and keen.

Speaker 1 I need you to do this. And I'm like, that's how an NFL quarterback is supposed to act.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's a little early for that. Do you even know the offense? Like, do you even know where you want this person? How do you know that's where you want this person?

Speaker 1 You don't even know the

Speaker 1 offense yet. So I thought, wow, this guy's massively confident.
This guy knows what he wants. Or dumb.
This guy's.

Speaker 1 Which Charlie

Speaker 1 could be the case. We don't know yet.
We don't know yet. But I think there's a lot of him like studying how others act, you know, how like other quarterbacks act.

Speaker 1 On his phone, I think he has his goals and he's to chase Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 So he watches how Tom Brady may be acting at the end of his career or Aaron Rodgers acting at the end of his career or these guys that he has mass Peyton Manning at the end of his career as opposed to like what it is to get to that point.

Speaker 1 Personally, that's what I felt like I was watching whenever I was seeing the way he was acting off the field.

Speaker 1 And then I thought, well, maybe this guy's more professional than anybody else has ever been because he's the highest paid NIL guy of all time. Remember, he was starting a fund.

Speaker 1 He was starting an investment fund, and he was telling, like, all these things I was watching. I'm like, this guy's acting like he's in his 18th year in the league already.

Speaker 1 He wanted part ownership. Allegedly.

Speaker 1 We don't know if he said that. That came from the family, allegedly, but there's sources within the whole thing.
But then you see how the season goes.

Speaker 1 And then you hear how things are being said and how it all unravels.

Speaker 1 It's like, I think he potentially got a nice little wake-up call potentially to what the NFL is, what the NFL football style is, what professional football is as he goes forward.

Speaker 1 Then you tell me that he gives this answer on what he wants for the head coach. I guess it's three minutes and 41 seconds.
So we're definitely not running that.

Speaker 1 But the fact that he gave a 221-second answer on what he wants as a head coach, this guy's decisive. He knows.
He's decisive. He knows what he's looking for.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people would say, you don't fucking know shit. Okay.

Speaker 1 You don't know.

Speaker 1 You don't know shit. I think a lot of people would say football.

Speaker 1 Football people would say, hey, you don't know shit. So like

Speaker 1 well, counter that

Speaker 1 the bears know,

Speaker 1 you know, like, no, that's the counterpoint. I don't know, you know, I don't know in the in the clip, though, too.

Speaker 10 He also says, like, he says he would like an offensive mind, he would want a young guy, he would want someone that could stick with him for like 10-15 years.

Speaker 10 He never really says, Ben, but obviously, like, with uh, Amon Rav, there, he like cues at it.

Speaker 10 But through the whole thing, like, he says, selfishly, I would want this, but the team probably wants something else.

Speaker 1 Got it, okay, you know, and he ended it with, okay, so he goes, Ben Johnson? Yeah, if that happens, yeah. But then if it's not, oh, it is what it is.
Yeah, it is what he said.

Speaker 1 That's how he finished that. Chuck, you're so mad about this.
Chuck Hayden.

Speaker 1 It sounds like you are not very thrilled about this particular interview. Well, this is the frace of the fan franchise.

Speaker 1 You're that dude, so you have to understand the responsibility that comes with that. And it's not the response isn't just not going on the St.
Brown brother pod. It's good.
It's a good show.

Speaker 1 It's a good show. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I love those two dudes. I was on it one time earlier this year.
Whoa. So must have done a hell of a job because it was one and done.
Yeah, I was. And I love the St.
Brown brothers.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of podcasts that are like that. That just once you're a guest, you know, you kind of move on.
You were on it? Chuck Pagano episode there with the Amon Ross St. Brown brothers.

Speaker 1 Excited to listen to that. What's the other? It's

Speaker 1 just, they just had me on a little deal,

Speaker 1 you know, a bet deal, like give them prop bets. Their dad.
Their dad is young. Yeah.
Bodybuilder. Yeah.
Those guys are doing that.

Speaker 1 Those guys are doing squats at an age, like you're not. And their mom in Olympian, too? Hard worker.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 like the traits that you're looking for. Got him.
Feels like

Speaker 1 they got him. Does Caleb? We shall see.

Speaker 5 He also, Caleb did get duped by the fake Ben Johnson texting him saying, Hey, just gonna let you know. I'm gonna take the job.
And

Speaker 5 Caleb fell forward, hook line sinker. There's a fake.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 See what Carmen talked about. Karma's real.
You know, just shut up and work.

Speaker 1 Well, is the Bears. 36 years as a football coach, Chuck Bogano, standing at an age of

Speaker 1 what? You tell me.

Speaker 1 How old are you? 64. Okay.

Speaker 1 Shut up and work is his take on the entire situation. I think there's probably a lot of people.
I'm all for guys having a platform

Speaker 1 and using it. But when it becomes a distraction to the head coach and every part of the organization and front office, whoever.
Virginia McCasky, she's 102 years old. She don't need to hear that.

Speaker 1 She can't. Oh, yeah.
She's hearing that for sure.

Speaker 11 She was dialed into this one, is not hearing that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she is.

Speaker 4 You've been in there. Is it as big as a dumpster, uh, dumpster fire, as it seems? Because, like, it has for quite some time felt like an absolute shit show.

Speaker 1 Get the right leader in there, and you got yourself something. It's one of the most, I mean, they started playing ball there.
It was freaking Curly Lambo and George Hallis. It's completely

Speaker 1 irrelevant to what I'm asking.

Speaker 4 Is it a completely

Speaker 4 in there right now and when you were there, or no?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 Just not go to football?

Speaker 1 You got to make good decisions at certain, you know.

Speaker 1 Every day.

Speaker 4 Is there organizational alignment, as we have said the last few times regarding teams?

Speaker 1 They have a president, I think, in Warren. They have a general manager in polls.
They're looking for a head coach. So when you look at ownership and you look at president and you look at, you know,

Speaker 1 general manager, those things, you've got the pillars in place now the right pillars we're gonna find out okay so now kevin warren's an interesting cat i assume he's had to do something to get the gigs that he gets and the feng shue he's a master that was amazing on hard knocks i did appreciate listening to the former big ten commissioner

Speaker 1 lay out how sweets should have because he watched bar rescue with john taffer correct a couple times yes which would be a good these not a bad i mean he is a bad teacher not a bad teacher's the guy to let you know yeah so need to open this up.

Speaker 1 We got a funnel in here. You know, bad energy, bad vibes.
I fucking... Hey, that show, Bar Rescue, got me through a couple training camps.

Speaker 1 That and Pond Stars just binging right through them. What a run.
What a run both those shows had. What a run.

Speaker 4 You're still watching Squid Game?

Speaker 1 It's been tough. It's been tough for me to get going on that.

Speaker 7 Is that season two?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I never finished. I watched a couple episodes of the first one.

Speaker 1 So the issue I'm having is I watched the reality show game of Squid Games.

Speaker 7 Is that Mr. Beast?

Speaker 1 No, no, that's a whole nother one. Netflix did one, they did like a game show squid games.

Speaker 1 Lady ended up winning it with rock, paper, scissors. You remember?

Speaker 1 My. My.
The lady, the guy that she was playing against was like, I was just throwing random, and she was

Speaker 1 like CIA ambulance. Yeah, she was actually like beating him, gets the key.

Speaker 1 So I'm struggling with remembering what last season was versus what my run was in squid games. And then also you put on top of it that it's clearly dubbed.

Speaker 1 It's been hard for me to get into season two. I'm going to say it's been hard for me to get into season two.
I can't do the dubbed.

Speaker 4 To your point, I have to just watch and read.

Speaker 1 Really? So you're reading the whole season?

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, because I can't do the dubbed two.

Speaker 1 You're reading the whole season?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I did for the first season. I haven't started the second yet, but I'll do that again.

Speaker 1 I've done it for a couple shows. How do you know? Korean, Korean.
What do you mean? I don't know what the...

Speaker 2 The dubbed kind of stinks, so I might have to switch to the.

Speaker 1 The dubbed is terrible in all of those shits.

Speaker 4 It definitely changes.

Speaker 1 Is the first one dubbed?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I can't read a whole season. No way.
I guess I didn't see any of it then.

Speaker 5 If you do it that way, though, like you can't watch it, like if you're at all tired or like you're in bed or like about to, like, you can't watch it because you just, you'll miss so much shit.

Speaker 5 Like, you actually have to be locked in and like commit. Like, okay, I'm going to watch this episode right now.

Speaker 1 So the issue is the dub

Speaker 1 acting has to be good, and then the acting acting has to be good. Correct.
So now we got a couple different people that need to figure it out while I'm watching.

Speaker 1 And there's been a few deliveries of some lines, I assume, and some key moments where I'm like, I can't take this. Sucks.

Speaker 10 I will say that dub this year is a lot better because they obviously did it for the American watchers compared to like season one when it was just made for Korean.

Speaker 12 It's kind of redundant, but I watch it dubbed with the subtitles on. Definitely.
So I'm reading it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
I'm hearing.

Speaker 12 the dub and I'm not focusing on the mouth mismatching the dub and I normally don't do that with shows but I've been able to do it with this one and it's helped.

Speaker 1 I have captions on everything just in case just to catch like what's potential I like that I like having captions too.

Speaker 1 But I have to hear though I have to I wouldn't be able to do the Korean and then English there. I would not be able to it's it's awesome.

Speaker 4 I've done I mean granted I've done this for now Shogun because Shogun's yeah but you're like a reader right? Yeah I mean I don't and you are a reader as well.

Speaker 2 Shogun was all dubbed.

Speaker 1 So you guys are much better readers than I am. I think I can't keep up with everything.

Speaker 7 It makes you a better reader. I think having the closed caption on there makes you a better reader.
It forces you to at least do it and look at it.

Speaker 1 Internet videos need the

Speaker 7 big time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You might as well not put a video on the internet without them. I mean, we do every day live clipping, but any video that we make that isn't live, it's like has to have the caption on it.

Speaker 1 Because there's people that can't have sound where they are and just kind of want to read it, see what they all happen.

Speaker 2 I haven't had sound on for years.

Speaker 1 Years. And if I accidentally do, startling.
Yeah. I'll fucking.
Whoa, sheesh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That little

Speaker 1 with the

Speaker 1 brightness and the

Speaker 1 that's a good

Speaker 1 that was a good development. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Having to hold that thing down before. Yeah, one of their best ones.

Speaker 1 I haven't I have the new phone. I haven't opened a box.
I'm worried to do the whole transition. Oh, God.
That can be a nightmare. So, especially when you're 100 years old.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about you, homie. No, but that's why you have kids, and someday you're going to be sitting in my seat, my shoes, and Mackenzie's going to be the one walking you through everything.

Speaker 1 No, because we grew up in the technology. Yeah, but there's going to be something new.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The kids are ahead of you. The kids are ahead.

Speaker 1 You think we had our tech boom for our generation? I mean,

Speaker 1 just like thinking about our booms.

Speaker 7 You'll never be on par with your kids, though. Your kids will always be ahead.
Technology always.

Speaker 1 My daughter, 21 months, she knows how to open the thing, put the code in, find out. I mean, she's not even two years old yet, and she knows exactly where.

Speaker 1 And if she can't figure it out, she's grabbing my hand and moving it to the place where, hey, need to scroll this thing because she doesn't have the ability to scroll.

Speaker 1 It is wild watching her pick it up like that. And there's a lot of, I've seen a lot of people on the internet say, well, she has too much screen time.
She already knows that whole thing. It's like,

Speaker 1 I created a business off my phone. So I'm very okay with my daughter.

Speaker 7 It's a big high horse situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but also to your high horse,

Speaker 1 I will grandstand back if we're going to do this. My daughter understanding how to navigate social media and the internet in tech is a massive advantage in in the world that we are in right now.

Speaker 1 So acting like it's a negative, which I can see how it would be, but I think the negative would be if she isn't proficient at this type of shit. So that's a tough, that's a tough little game that is.

Speaker 7 You got to make it a positive. You got to like, let's make this the world you're growing up in.
How do we make it a positive for you?

Speaker 13 And can't be all day.

Speaker 7 The negative.

Speaker 1 Can't be all day.

Speaker 7 Like if you can, like if your kids can sit there and edit videos at 10 years old on an iPad, that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 7 I've had them do that for my, I sent my kids like a bunch of like pictures and videos and said, hey, can you make something for mom's birthday?

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 7 Like my 12-year-old, 11-year-old sitting there and can put something together that is two minutes long and has cool music.

Speaker 4 That's awesome. Yeah, like there will be things, I think, for sure, but I think the grand, huge change.

Speaker 5 I mean, I just think of

Speaker 5 how far cell phones have come since your first, like my first cell phone, your first cell phone, your first, like it's night and fucking day. You couldn't even really get on the internet.

Speaker 1 What's the next step? The chips?

Speaker 1 Probably, but I don't think we. You probably don't know the next step.

Speaker 1 i don't think that's going to happen during ai are yeah everybody's kind of embracing ai at the moment i heard some musicians i think it was timberland maybe producer timblin

Speaker 1 was like uh

Speaker 1 i think it was him might have been another dj producer that basically said like hey these young up and coming beat you better learn how to utilize ai as your tag team partner and then i think like graphic designers are saying the same thing like obviously ai has capability to do things quicker than you would ever be able to to do it, but they miss out on the, there's a human element that can be added to the AI.

Speaker 1 So it's almost like the tag team partner of AI is going to be the future, it feels like. And then inevitably, what, Nick?

Speaker 12 You know, you know what's going to happen. AI is going to do whatever it wants.
It's going to get sick of listening to it. It's going to get sick of the old tag team.

Speaker 12 It's going to Sean Michaels, Marty Jannetti super kick through the glass, and we're done for.

Speaker 1 It's not going to Seth Rollins a chair to run in reigns, break up the shield. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 There's a chance. We don't need you.

Speaker 1 You need us.

Speaker 1 Become sentient. And we're going to say, oh, mama.
I'm in fear for my life from the long

Speaker 1 mom of the lie.

Speaker 1 The fuck was that? Somebody just tried to hit the.

Speaker 1 Is that what that was? What was it? It sounded like it.

Speaker 4 I know, but I can hear Chuck's

Speaker 4 deaf things in my ear going off.

Speaker 1 I can as well. Oh, yeah, here go Chuck.

Speaker 7 Okay, good. Yeah, something was up.

Speaker 1 You touched your shit during the break. Your ear.

Speaker 1 Oh, you have them over there? Why are they here? I turned them off.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 no, they did not.

Speaker 1 Those are supposed to be over there.

Speaker 11 This is the end of the season.

Speaker 1 So we're three days away from the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 We're ending the season just like we started it. Did we not learn our lessons? This is summer lessons.
Turn them off.

Speaker 1 It doesn't work. AI turned them on because you started talking about AI.
You're talking about China yesterday. You're talking about TikTok.

Speaker 1 And they knew I had that shit up here because of tracking my ass. And all all of a sudden, to get me in trouble on this show,

Speaker 1 get you guys fired up. They turned these some bitches on.

Speaker 2 Before we go too far down this road, did Bill just murder someone?

Speaker 1 I don't know. What was that? Was that Mitt doing the

Speaker 10 Mitt might be falling

Speaker 1 in there? He could be lifting, or he could be trying to do the part in that song where it's that wasn't right.

Speaker 1 What? Are they off now? Can you still hear them?

Speaker 1 Actually, no. No.
You want to know what wasn't right? No. Me.
I apologize. And that's it.
But that was AI.

Speaker 4 Okay. Got any more shout-outs?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 really?

Speaker 1 Miss Terry, actually. Miss Terry's birthday was yesterday.
Oh, yeah. Happy birthday, Miss Terry.
Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 Say you something, gump.

Speaker 11 That's a shout-out. That's not condolences.

Speaker 1 No, every time I do it. I understand what it is.
You ain't going to go after you. You understand what shout-out means? You know your place.

Speaker 1 All year.

Speaker 11 All year. We're fucking divisional playoff round.

Speaker 11 Didn't learn a damn thing all year coach same as week one that's why the bears are shite oh no why'd you go after them

Speaker 1 because you just told us they were gonna be good they're obviously not yeah you're wrong they got no hope on that note let's pick some games hell yeah yeah you got confidence at an all-time high now after that whole on that note burial of gumpy i apologize bill what happened i love gump what was that sound

Speaker 1 oh you turn the corner fix your hat do the whole song and dance

Speaker 4 toss someone into a vat of battery acid something so that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 It's not jocked.

Speaker 1 You can't see him behind Jamba. Jabba.
Love's hiding behind Jabba. But he is getting absolutely jacked.
Jabba's doing a little one-two step. Love that.
I get a contract as a three-tech, Bill.

Speaker 1 I don't like that Bill posted on the internet. Jocked.
The worst thing you can do is get a hobby and a photo deal.

Speaker 4 He's not wrong. Oh, first thing I said to him was, oh, yeah, man, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 No, do you? But it's not a hobby. It's a lifestyle.
He's committing to it completely. I'm proud of Bill.

Speaker 2 You just can't tell anyone in here that you have a hobby.

Speaker 1 It's not a hobby, though. That's what I'm saying.
He's changing his entire life. Or a lifestyle.
He's changed his whole life. We will know, though.

Speaker 1 He's got a temple, obviously. What's that? Bodies is temple.
That's always been like that, though. Now he is a

Speaker 1 locked in.

Speaker 7 What made him turn? What made him switch?

Speaker 1 I think he got beat up by like 10 guys.

Speaker 1 Oh. That's what happened, right, Bill? Yeah.
Yeah. Bill got beat up by like 10 guys, and then he said never again.

Speaker 4 Miles teller style.

Speaker 1 Never again. Yeah, downtown Indianapolis got jumped.
And he said, I'm not going to let that ever happen again. So now he's in the weight room every day.

Speaker 2 Always and always has a side piece on him.

Speaker 1 So try him. And that's why we wonder

Speaker 1 what the

Speaker 1 sound was.

Speaker 1 That's 15-yard pounds right there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Illegal use of

Speaker 1 handgun.

Speaker 1 Chuck Pagano, 15 yards to keep him moving. How big? Can we do that?

Speaker 1 You can do old school. I think you can even do like a

Speaker 1 stab or someone. Yeah, like a sword or a

Speaker 1 spear. Oh, yeah, sure.
I think you can, maybe, can you light light a cannon?

Speaker 3 Can you unsheath the sword?

Speaker 1 Definitely. Can you?

Speaker 2 Because that kind of...

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then you have a little duel.

Speaker 1 And then somebody even...

Speaker 5 Yeah, someone's got to lean in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Please.

Speaker 1 Please do that. So New England has to get rid of the muskets.

Speaker 4 Muskets, yeah. No, no, no, it doesn't count.
Once again, because New England invented America. So, like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Looks like.

Speaker 1 How about the muzzle loaders up there? Always working. Always.
Those are not a high percentage operation, especially with how quickly everybody has to turn it around. They fucking...

Speaker 1 They they walked in

Speaker 4 they're still in the militia it's a great celebration hmm they're still in it they i assume those gentlemen uh participate in the reenactment of uh you're talking about the bam bad at bam bad

Speaker 1 bam bad at bam bam bad at minute men yes mano missy elliott banger right there she didn't win the one man man but we needed them

Speaker 1 In a revolutionary war, didn't we?

Speaker 4 And they came through, didn't they?

Speaker 1 Let's make some picks. Chuck Bagona's gonna come through for us.
Divisional weekend, Chuck, AJ and I will not be doing the picks. You will be the only one here.

Speaker 1 We will make our picks tomorrow, officially, as we learn more. And this is on Thursday before we know Zay Flyers, for instance.
He is not a practice again today. Yep.
That is a big deal.

Speaker 1 We'll know more tomorrow, especially rolling into the weekend. Let's start with the Texans and the Chiefs.
Chiefs favored by eight at home. J.J.

Speaker 1 Watt went on a diatribe, a monologue about how the Texans not only have C.J. Stroud in an offense with Nico Collins back, but also a defense defense that's championship caliber.

Speaker 1 He was Derek Stingley last year on the other side. Daniil Hunter, the boys up front, the linebackers, Aziz Al-Shair is back.
They got a defense that can win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Well, they have a team that beats the Chiefs in Kansas City. Chuck, how do you see the game going? What are your thoughts? I think they keep it close.
I think they do. I think, you know, you got...

Speaker 1 Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson, they got 23 sacks between them. This rookie Bullock, the safety, he's got five picks along with Stingley's five.
So 10 between those two guys,

Speaker 1 they're humming. And we saw the, you know, Azee when he got back in there.
Now he's a little bit, is he healthy?

Speaker 1 Is he back from that coin deal? He went out of that game. I don't know.
But you could feel him early in that game. They played earlier this season.
That was a one-score game.

Speaker 1 They lost by eight in that ball game. It was like a four or five-point game.
And then Kansas City ran the ball, kind of ran the, took the air out of the game. But they were right there.

Speaker 1 The only difference in that game, if you look at the rush yards, the pass yards, all those kind of things, is pretty even.

Speaker 1 Other than the most, you know, the one thing that we always look to, turnovers decide a lot of these games, other than score. They turn it over twice,

Speaker 1 you know, in that ball game. C.J.
Stroud did. So who do you like? You like the Texans? I'm going to take Texans and the points.
Okay, Age, how do you feel about Chuck's pick there?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly where I'm leaning yet, but yeah, Chiefs minus eight feels like a lot, but what if the Chiefs just become the Chiefs that we're used to? Yeah. Scored on them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, agreed. And I think that's what the sports folks are potentially saying.

Speaker 1 Even though they didn't score a point with Carson Weitzer, quarterback, final game of the season, they got blown out 35-0 or whatever the case was.

Speaker 4 Yeah, irrelevant side of the day is the Chiefs are 0-2 this year at four o'clock games.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 They haven't played since December 25th either. They're starters.
Yeah, they took two weeks off.

Speaker 1 So what's first half, you know, especially after what the Texans have done in the last two weeks, they played a lot better. They were in a little bit of a

Speaker 1 snide. Last two weeks, Titans and obviously last week in the playoffs, they go on a little bit of an up.
Tank Dell had a big game for him in the regular season. He's obviously no longer there.

Speaker 1 He caught a touchdown passed back then. That's where he got.

Speaker 2 C.J. Stroud attended his funeral that day.

Speaker 1 C.J. Stroud's bummed out.
Their best friend.

Speaker 1 It's got to be Nico, and I think Woods has a big day. Okay, so Texans plus eight is where Chuck is on the first game.
Let's get a Saturday at 8 o'clock. Nine points, Brick.

Speaker 1 Saturday at 4.30, Saturday at 8. Both huge divisional round spreads.
And obviously, Sunday, 6 is still big. What are your thoughts on Commanders, Lions, Chuck Pagano.
Yeah, I'm going dog here.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the points. I think the Lions win, but I'm going to take the Commanders.
Detroit has struggled against mobile quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. You know, you look at Anthony Richardson.
He had over six yards per carry. He played pretty good against these guys.
They didn't score any points.

Speaker 1 They scored six points in that game, but I just think

Speaker 1 they haven't seen Daniels. He's an athletic quarterback.
They played Buffalo early in this year, and Josh had his way as well running around on this defense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so but the one thing is, you know, you get Montgomery back for the Lions. Again, I think they'll win the game, but I don't think they'll cover.
That's too many points.

Speaker 1 But you got the number six rush offense in Detroit going against Washington, who was number 30th in rush defense. Oh, no, so nine's no problem.

Speaker 1 No problem.

Speaker 1 Ford Field. Remember, other teams can score on the Lions.
It doesn't matter. That's like their thing.
Like, yeah, you guys are allowed to score. Just can't keep it.

Speaker 1 They're just dangerous. It's just all the pressures on Detroit.
There's no pressure on Washington. They already exceeded all expectations by a million.
You know, so they're playing with house money.

Speaker 1 They're going to go in there, lose. Quinn's loose anyway.
So they're just going to play.

Speaker 1 And so that's dangerous. Yeah, I agree.
Okay, so eight and nine. And we're going to weapon a quarterback.
Eight and nine, too big for Chuck to pass up. He'll take the dogs on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Sunday. Rams, Eagles, cross country, short week.
We talked to Puka yesterday. He seems to have great vibes.
When is that ever not the case with Oos over there, who's who's unbelievable?

Speaker 1 Six-point favorites at home are the big Dom-led Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, Lane Johnson, an offensive line that's unbelievable.
A.J.

Speaker 1 Brown, Devontae Smith, Goddard's throwing bodies around at the tight end position. A defense that is obviously great at all three levels, taking on Matthew Stafford in the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 1 A young defense that has come together late. Matthew Stafford, obviously able to spin it.
They got weapons. They got McVay's brain.
How do do you see this one going, Chuck Pagano? Kyron Williams

Speaker 1 running the rock. Now, they gave up 255 yards in a rushing to Saquon.

Speaker 1 First time they played in a regular season.

Speaker 1 What week was that?

Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 1 week 12.

Speaker 1 They lost 20 to 37. But both those runs, he had 142 on two runs.
So he had a 70-yard tutty. and a 72-yard tudd.
Start the second half. Bark.

Speaker 1 First running back to have two 70-plus-yard touchdowns and whatever. I forget what the stat was.
I'm remembering now from him.

Speaker 1 You know, so

Speaker 1 Hertz was efficient. A.J.
Brown had a good day, six for 109 in that game, but totally different Rams team. Totally different Rams team.

Speaker 1 You've got Stafford, who's in a game like this, I ain't betting against him. Again,

Speaker 1 I think Philly wins his game just because, you know, they got the number one ranked defense. They're playing really good on that side of the ball.

Speaker 1 But if anybody can go spin that thing around, Puka, Cooper Cup, Kyron Williams, and that defense right now, what Chris Schuler's doing with that defense, I know Deep Butts talked about it yesterday.

Speaker 1 You guys watched it, nine sacks, nine sacks, and they were all

Speaker 1 maybe only one was five man, like all four man, all four man,

Speaker 1 a lot of games. You know, Fisk, that curse is an animal, young on that side.
They're going to put number 24 Williams. He'll shadow A.J.
Brown in this game. They don't do that on Philly.

Speaker 1 They just play left and right. Quinyon plays the right side.
Slay plays the left, but they're going to match up on the other side. I like staff.
I like the Rams going in here.

Speaker 1 All of the dogs thus far, eight-point spread, nine-point spread, six-point spread. Chuck says, this is going to be much closer games than the books seemingly think.
Divisional weekend?

Speaker 1 These are the best eight teams in a league.

Speaker 1 We're going to have great games. We're not going to have blowouts.
It's going to be one-score games. That's why you have picked the way that you've picked.
Now let's go to the big one.

Speaker 1 The headliner, the marquee, MVP versus MVP runner-up. Two seasons that are going to be historic one way or another.

Speaker 1 Ravens, with the addition of Derrick Henry, have gone back to their power football explosive ways. But Lamar Jackson's thrown it better than he ever has.

Speaker 1 The Buffalo Bills coming in the season, they lost basically 90% of the players that we know on their roster. Josh Allen's going to get a chance to take a team on his back.
How far can he go with it?

Speaker 1 Well, home game, divisional round, Buffalo Bills. Who do you like? How do you like it? One-point spread.
Ravens are favored going into Buffalo. Weather update, please, in what the game is going to be?

Speaker 4 It is going to be 12 degrees, I believe. That kick feels like negative three with some snow.

Speaker 1 Cold as hell. It's going to be a Buffalo game here in the divisional round.
Chuck Pagano? Just like how, just how they like it. The Buffalo Beals? No, the Ravens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the one favorite I'm going to go with is them. I just think Lamar and Derrick Henry, Derrick had 190, 199 yards against him in that 35-10.
35-10. The first time he touched the ball, he went 87.

Speaker 1 35-10. 87.
35-10. And you know that Buffalo loves to play nickel, right, AJ? They love to play nickel.
Taryn Johnson is that nickel back, number seven.

Speaker 1 He got knocked out of the game last week, came back and played. He'll be in there.
But they play small ball, and they don't care what you line up in.

Speaker 1 You can be in 22, you can be in 12, you can be whatever. They're going to put that group on the field and live with that group.

Speaker 1 So I just think Lamar, Derrick Henry, Zay, whether he plays or not, you got Mark Andrews, you got Bateman, you got Aguilar, you got Isaiah likely,

Speaker 1 and Lamar is not going to be denied. Josh Allen's, same thing.
They both deserve MV. I don't care who gets it out of either one of them.
Congrats to both.

Speaker 1 They're both more than, I wish they'd just split it between them. Oh, yeah.
But then they'd both get cooked for that, even though it wouldn't be their decision. No question.
Because that's what we do.

Speaker 1 The world is. That's what we love to do.
You talked about Buffalo Beatles playing small ball and defensive side. You said they don't care if it's 22 or 12.

Speaker 1 Just for people that don't know, 22 is two running backs, two tight ends. And the two running backs would be Derrick Henry and Patrick Ricard, both over 240, one of them being 280 pounds.

Speaker 1 And then Mark Andrews and Likely would be the two tight ends. And then Lamar Jackson, the fastest person on the field, would be the quarterback with the ball in between, all of that.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of meat, and then there's a lot of explosion. It could be 22X.

Speaker 1 So you put another big lineman in there. So you got

Speaker 1 another 320-pounder at the point, and then Mark Andrews. So if you don't want Andrews and Likely out there, you just put 22X.

Speaker 1 You get even bigger.

Speaker 1 And the Ravens will do that. Yep.
And they will do that. And the defense,

Speaker 1 they played good. Since the bye, last five weeks,

Speaker 1 like 11 points a game, 250 total yards a game. And like third down, they're 31%.
If you're at 31%, you're number one in the league right now. Getting off the field.

Speaker 1 Chuck McGonna doesn't care about having field advantage in the division round, took everybody every away team on the weekend. Okay.
Let's now go to the national championship on Monday night.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we will have have a show on Monday live from Atlanta, the home of the national championship. Then there'll be a college game day, and then the game will be taking place at 7.30 p.m.

Speaker 1 We will be doing a field pass on ESPN too. If you'd like to join us for some stupidity, or you go over to ESPN and I assume ABC for Chris Fowler Herb Street and a real broadcast.

Speaker 1 Our dumbasses will be on ESPN too. We're lucky to do that.
We can't wait to get down there. Ohio State.
Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 Ohio State favored by eight in the national championship. We We have seen blowouts in the national championship before.
Recent history has showcased that.

Speaker 1 And there has been, obviously, incredible games that have lived up to the title of the best in the country. Will Howard, Riley Leonard, similar stories.
Similar stories.

Speaker 1 Jack Sawyer's got a lot to play for. Obviously, Captain Jack Sawyer, the Ohio kid, loses to Michigan, gets into a fight with the people that are planting the flag, says, not on my watch.

Speaker 1 And what has he done? Oh, come back to lead the team basically to a natty. He obviously wants it, but so is Xavier Watson, the entire entire Notre Dame team.

Speaker 1 Marcus Freeman, 39 years old, young upstart with a big brain, has been able to rally a team that hasn't been able to have that much success in a postseason in a long time, changes the roster, makes the magic happen, and Ryan Day,

Speaker 1 who has the weight of the entire world of Ohio on his shoulders at all times because how things have gone. That's the job as the Buckeyes head coach, just like it's a job as a Notre Dame head coach.

Speaker 1 The way he's gotten his team to rally since the most devastating loss they've seen in some time is nothing short of miraculous. Eight-point favorites in Atlanta for the Natty.

Speaker 1 Chuck Pagano, who do you like? How do you like it?

Speaker 1 I like A.J. Hawks, Buckeyes.
Whoa, quick pick.

Speaker 1 I just think that best thing that ever happened to him, and I hate it for him because of how the people are and the fans and all that, but getting beat by Michigan, obvious wake-up call, what they did to Tennessee, and then what they did to Texas, right?

Speaker 1 Or did I miss one in there? Or had to win.

Speaker 1 Oregon and boat boat race them. Yeah.
Like that was 31-0 before they could blink, right? Or something like that? Yeah. Played bad against Texas, I think.
Yeah. From watching.

Speaker 1 AJ, isn't it weird that it feels like we have,

Speaker 1 you know, doing these field passes and we missed one in Notre Dame's game. So I think.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we. Georgia.

Speaker 1 We weren't at Georgia. Yeah, we weren't in Notre Dame, Georgia, whenever that took place.
That was a massive one down there at Sugar Bowl. So we weren't there for that particular game.

Speaker 1 We've been on the field for every Ohio State game.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I don't want to say it feels like we're embedded with it, but embedded means like on the inside, but we have seen everything they have done over the last three weeks.

Speaker 1 Sideline altercations, pregame warm-ups, vibes in warm-ups, how they come out of the tunnel in the second half, plays that are being made in the biggest stage.

Speaker 1 It's like watching them play against Texas is like, oh, this is nowhere near Ohio State's best effort. Like this is nowhere near.
Two-score win over Texas.

Speaker 1 You know, and it's like, they're not going to make those same mistakes again, or are they? Like, is who they played against Tennessee and Oregon not who they actually are? This is who they are.

Speaker 1 That's the big question. Because I'm not 100% sure he can make those mistakes against his Notre Dame team.
Is

Speaker 1 Notre Dame team, I think, will drag you down there. I think they will.
Deep water. They will take you into the deep water.
I think that's how they play. I think they like playing like that.

Speaker 1 I think they're proud of the fact that they play like that. So it's like, can Ohio State get back to playing massively efficient football like they have been? I mean, that's a question of the game.

Speaker 1 I think they can with all the talent that they have. I think that is really good.
They're so athletic. They are so talented.
I mean, that runner, 32. Trayvion Henderson.

Speaker 1 Like, when they decided to blitz that first play in that two-minute drill. Screen.
And they threw that screen right behind it. I've been on the end of one of those.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Hopefully.
And you know who it was? Chris Johnson. Remember how fast that cat was? Yeah, 4-2.
Yeah, I was at East Carolina. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, at North Carolina, and we were playing at East Carolina. He was the running back for.
Yeah, you said nickel hot. And hey, let's run volcano.
Okay, good idea. Let's throw a screen right behind it.

Speaker 1 80.

Speaker 1 Just early. Was that early in the game? It looked just like this.
Was that early in the game or? First series. Yeah, so that kind of sets the tone, too, on what he's about to do.

Speaker 1 Chris Johnson, Y2J, whenever he started rolling, it was like he took the top off early. Trayvion Henderson, obviously, at the beginning of that game, gets a 15-yard penalty.

Speaker 1 He almost gets benched because he cost his team. Nick Saban came over and was like, hey, this whole game changed.

Speaker 1 When Trayvion Henderson decided to smack that guy in the face and set him back behind the sticks, and then they haven't been able to do anything since. And it it was like literally the next play.

Speaker 1 What? Trayvon Henryson was in, and he was able to get back and make right at the exact time. It's like, that team's humming.
So is Notre Dame, though. So is Notre Dame.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Their fans are telling me. They're fun to watch.
Fun. They're a gritty team.

Speaker 7 Riley Leonard's a better passer than people give him credit for, too.

Speaker 1 Agreed. He really is.
I think he's gotten better, certainly. Like, I think people judge him like maybe last year when he was at Duke or beginning of the season, how he's doing, and yada, yada.

Speaker 1 It's like he's clearly been

Speaker 1 working and like getting better at everything. And his leadership is remarkable.
That team's big, too. That offensive line, they had to deal with backups at different places.

Speaker 1 They had the depth to be able to handle it against Penn State. It's like

Speaker 7 these are. How much do you want to run? If you're the quarterback,

Speaker 7 how many QB runs do you want to have when we've seen guys getting their heads taken off multiple times throughout the playoffs?

Speaker 1 Riley, Kincut. Arch.

Speaker 7 Arch got in for one play.

Speaker 7 Whatever, he got, he got the first down, but man, he took a shot.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people are wondering why he wasn't in on the first and goal from the one. It was like, I think, from our perspective, we thought Arch potentially got dinged.

Speaker 7 I assumed he was dinged, but that dude got up and he was all right.

Speaker 1 He did get up, and it never got announced. But, like, first and goal at the one-yard line, with the way they'd been handling that, a lot of people are wondering why is Arch not on the field?

Speaker 1 He's kind of the running quarterback. It's like, I think he got,

Speaker 1 I think that was a, it was, yeah.

Speaker 1 The ball came out, right? Yeah, yeah, but they ruled him down.

Speaker 2 Riley's been their leading rusher, carrier, carries-wise, in all three playoff games. He's fun to watch, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Great athlete, good wiggle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Watch his basketball highlights from high school if you just want to milk check real quick. Yeah.
Yeah. Guys, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 We're lucky for it all. Good kid, too.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 seems like everybody loves him. Samuel Will hired.
Yeah. It's got clever captions.
Does. On his Instagram.

Speaker 1 Like that.

Speaker 1 They've got to be paying him a lot of money. Yeah, the money we're hearing being floated out right now allegedly Quinn Euros turned down $8 million.
Yeah, I don't believe that for a second.

Speaker 1 Carson Beck allegedly getting $4 million to go to Miami, but then it was reported it's $3 million.

Speaker 1 And then it was reported, like, who knows what's real and what isn't these days.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's some incentives in there.

Speaker 4 Thamel also told us they need 700 to 1 million.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because, like, if Cam Ward got, what, 1.1 was the report? It's like, you're telling me

Speaker 4 1.6. So you're telling me they gave Quinn Ears.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but Cam was

Speaker 1 kind of unknown.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Harts and Bach's getting 4 million.

Speaker 1 But we don't know if that's really what I'm saying. I don't believe anything.
If you got Will Howard and Quinn Ewers sitting there, who are you taking? Me? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty obvious you all have to do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's easy. And I'm now, yes.
After watching the 2010s. And 8 million, no chance.
No chance. I mean, there's some teams? Five, I would believe.
There's some teams, I think, the alumni, I mean.

Speaker 1 For four years, for sure. But not just a one-year rental? Yeah, for one year.

Speaker 1 all you need is one donor

Speaker 1 that's all you need that has a lot of money that is like this is what I want I want I want this to happen we've talked to we know there's some running backs out there getting over a million so I wouldn't be surprised what the court what it what any quarterback a lot of running backs getting over a million in the big ten mostly

Speaker 1 Beck don't care. It's his girlfriend's school.
Bingo. They're already doing TikToks, I heard.
That's right. He's worried about getting that elbow.
You see the first one? Come on.

Speaker 7 What about it?

Speaker 1 Shut up and play football. Exactly.
That's what the 60. Yep.
Four. Four-year-old

Speaker 1 football coach.

Speaker 2 Ain't no Ken Dorsey up there.

Speaker 1 No, sir. That guy was a dog.
Dude's already a multi-millionaire.

Speaker 1 So is his girl.

Speaker 1 They can do whatever the hell they want. That's how they view it.

Speaker 1 I think. I don't know if Carson Beck still viewed it as such an NFL guy.
That's why going down there could be a good year for him to obviously have success.

Speaker 1 I guess Alabama and Georgia allegedly were looking to Georgia bring Carson back and then Alabama bring him over. That would have been a big signing for old Kalen DeBora.

Speaker 1 Did he hire Grubb, Province Coordinator yet? Should. I wonder.

Speaker 1 Not yet, I don't think. All right.
That was supposed to happen, like, or already done. Yeah, I wonder what happened.
Did it happen?

Speaker 1 I don't know that.

Speaker 1 But he's been let go, Seattle, right? Yeah. Yes.
You want to do a giveaway for the people? Oh, love to. What are you going to do? Throw a football.
Oh, yeah. Into that hoop right over there?

Speaker 1 The end of that one. Are you going to make it? First try?

Speaker 1 Yep. Probably got a pretty good shot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you were pretty dialed in.

Speaker 1 Before show?

Speaker 1 Yeah. You were throwing some around? I warmed up.
You threw a couple. Spinning it a little bit.
Got the wing loose. I doubt it.
It wasn't a laser shot like Coach Holtz talked tone into taking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, and then Coach Holtz said, you can't be that naive, kid. And then that's kind of what it was.
No, you just said, hit the right quartile. Yeah.
Quartile. Upper quadrant.

Speaker 1 Are you supposed to say,

Speaker 1 upper quadrant of the upper quartile. Yes.
Who is that, Ursay or Chris?

Speaker 1 Watch American Prime Evil 2, if you haven't yet. Jim's in it at her.
Yeah. Great camera.
I saw his clip.

Speaker 4 Did you see it? Tough time to be in a show.

Speaker 7 What? Well, it looked like it's audition tapes.

Speaker 1 Because Jerry, I mean. Yeah.
I mean, Jerry Jones had a.

Speaker 4 Because with Jim, it's, hey, Jim was in, but

Speaker 1 did you see Jerry? And Landman. Yeah.
Yeah. I wonder if.
I think both guys crossed it.

Speaker 1 Jerry might win an award. I've not seen the Jim one.

Speaker 1 Serious faces in it.

Speaker 5 Certainly look like Jim was kind of just sitting there shooting whiskey for about three seconds. He certainly wasn't delivering a five-minute one-take monologue like Jared did.

Speaker 1 How bad do you feel about dotting Jerry?

Speaker 5 I don't feel bad at all.

Speaker 5 I'm glad he can do it. That just makes me think, hey, next time you step up to the microphone, don't sound like you got a mouth full of dog shite.

Speaker 5 And fucking say what you got to say.

Speaker 1 Act like.

Speaker 5 Act like that, Jerry. Act like an actor.

Speaker 1 Why are we we

Speaker 1 like surprised, like, based on what he's done?

Speaker 1 I was not. Like, that he could pull something like that off? Did you see

Speaker 4 the huh?

Speaker 5 Did you see him talking in that press conference right before that?

Speaker 4 About Big Mike?

Speaker 2 Did you?

Speaker 1 What did it sound like?

Speaker 5 Well, you just, but, you know, Mike, he kind of, you know, had to do what he and listened. We might do some.
I mean, he just gibberish.

Speaker 5 Marbles in his mouth, and then you see that landman, and it's like, Jesus Christ, fucking Daniel Day-Lewis out here. It's unbelievable.
So it leads you to believe that, yeah, maybe he didn't, but hey.

Speaker 1 So to your point right there, like Landman, he knew the scene. He knew exactly what was required, what the expectations were, and had been in it, lived it exactly.
Great point.

Speaker 1 Like, he's caught off guard with this. Like, that's why you don't have a plan planned.
Caught off guard. No, he thought he was going to get Big Mike back, I guarantee you.
It was up to him.

Speaker 1 And then wasn't able to get a deal done. Wasn't able to get a deal done.

Speaker 1 I don't have sources. I don't have anything.

Speaker 1 That's going around the coaching world right now.

Speaker 1 If Chuck is saying it, he has a guy 36 years as a football coach. His group text consists of football coaches talking about football stuff.

Speaker 1 He actually signed up for the 33rd team, I believe, so he could be around more football people doing more football stuff. If you listen to Lombardi, did football his whole life.
What was he doing?

Speaker 1 Waking up at 5 a.m. to go to do football stuff with football people.

Speaker 1 So I think what it sounds like from what Chuck is saying, in the football coaching world, the conversation is Jerry did want Mike back potentially at different terms than what Mike was thinking that he would be going.

Speaker 1 I think they just couldn't come to an agreement.

Speaker 1 So Mike wanted a better uniform and didn't want to have to wear that hat anymore.

Speaker 2 Who are you guys picking for the Jets as head coach? What's that? Who are you guys picking at the 33rd team for the Jets head coach and Jim?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mike.

Speaker 1 in that.

Speaker 1 When the 33rd team talks about,

Speaker 1 do you say, all right, give us every name that could be a football coach. Go.
Go, no. And then they just

Speaker 1 have no idea what's going on. They don't like you in that? And they just send that over to Woody? Apparently.
No, that's.

Speaker 2 They don't trust you.

Speaker 1 That's weird. No, I mean,

Speaker 1 they hired Mike T and a couple of guys that have been involved for a long time to help them with the search. Smart.
Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 What if Mike T hires himself back?

Speaker 1 Do you think Mike T can find any other names that could potentially want to be interviewed for a head coaching job for the New York Jets? I haven't seen them all.

Speaker 1 Have they interviewed a bunch of people? A lot of people. Everybody.
They used maximum characters on Twitter one time, which isn't possible nowadays.

Speaker 1 You can write whatever you want on there to list off all the names that they're interested in talking to. It was like 17, 18 people, 20 people.

Speaker 1 What are the prognosticators saying that who's going to be? Aaron Glenn. Yes.
Because they've been bringing in a head coach and a GM together.

Speaker 1 Aaron Glenn on the front end, who I think

Speaker 1 a lot of people are piecing together. Yeah, you said they pushed it.
So like the assistant GM at KC and Matt Nagy

Speaker 1 and then I think Ryan and

Speaker 1 B-Flow.

Speaker 1 And I don't know who the rest of them were, but I think they're trying to get that. A lot of teams now are trying to get that right as they're walking in the door, that component, that relationship.

Speaker 1 And that's always going to work.

Speaker 1 Are we doing a giveaway or what? Like Lombo said, until you lose. Yeah, until you lose.
Then who's in charge? You need one Supreme Commander. Did you hear that word?

Speaker 1 I guess those words, that title? H?

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah. I mean, Lombo's used that for a while, but it does.

Speaker 7 A lot of times when you say Supreme Commander, it's usually not in a positive light when they're speaking about someone, right?

Speaker 1 Lombo's used Supreme Commander a lot.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he's used it before on his podcast.

Speaker 1 Oh, I haven't heard it. He hasn't said it to me.

Speaker 1 That's my first time hearing it. I was like, what a hilarious way to describe something.
We We get what you're saying, dude. We understand exactly what you're saying.
That's incredible.

Speaker 1 Need a supreme commander.

Speaker 4 Just like New England.

Speaker 1 They got one. One voice.

Speaker 4 Already kicking on. One sound.
The bullshit.

Speaker 1 All right. Chuck Pagani.

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Speaker 1 those boys 12 11 7 11

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 noah hunter and then i don't know the other you didn't say the other one's name they're i i've run into them a few different times cool group it's a cool group of kids and then his daughter is like the coolest of them all.

Speaker 1 She's awesome. Older or younger? Younger.

Speaker 1 The lads, though, they always dress the same.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely. The lads are all dressed the same, you know, when they're walking to places.
That's something they're going to have to, they're probably not going to like whenever they get older.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But it's just like kind of how it goes.
Could you imagine having triplets? Imagine those first three weeks. Holy shit.

Speaker 7 First three weeks. Imagine when those kids are like

Speaker 7 two to five, too. Like, there's, yeah, there's a lot.
All of it.

Speaker 1 I don't know how they I don't know how they can grow. It's got got to be really cool now.

Speaker 7 Like, they got to be their own little wolf pack now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they got a team here, you know, and then holidays going forward are going to be big whenever they become adults.

Speaker 1 It's a big family, but it's like those first three weeks, I think I thought of the Orlovskies a couple times, like triplets. How are you?

Speaker 7 I thought of John and Kate plus eight when I first had kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they did that on purpose, right, didn't they?

Speaker 7 Well, did they want to have that many or they because, yeah, did they really want to have that many?

Speaker 1 I think it was something where they wanted to become famous. I think,

Speaker 1 if I remember right that ended up being pretty nasty i think i think john did not work out john and kate and theater i think in a certain different spot i watched that a little bit that seemed crazy

Speaker 1 these cults that have like 13 14 kids yep that feels wild

Speaker 1 there's a couple religions that think they're gonna reproduce their way into dominance oh yeah world dominance not a terrible idea some of them have

Speaker 1 single that's conversation for another day i'm not going to get into that aaron wood

Speaker 1 I don't even want to get into that.

Speaker 5 That being said.

Speaker 1 I think we should get into it.

Speaker 1 Did you see TGL? Ratings are up from week one to week two. Tiger golfing brings eyes.

Speaker 1 The tiger bumped, right? I guess. Coach, Chuck.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we got figured out.

Speaker 11 Well said, coach. Chuck

Speaker 1 Chuck ailed it. Chuck loves golf, too.
I think Chuck did not like it. I moved away from it quicker than Sam did.
When you said Sam walked away after four minutes, I lasted three.

Speaker 1 Did you see Tiger? I left right after Rocky and the intro. You didn't like the intro, the intro was awesome.
You didn't even give the golf a chance. It's a freaking clown show.

Speaker 1 It's new, it's innovative.

Speaker 1 They got a lot of work to do because there's people who invested in that. I'm sorry, but

Speaker 1 you're going to have to come up with something else.

Speaker 1 Ratings went up. Ratings are Chuck.

Speaker 1 He's got Nielsen Pagano and we trust everybody that throws the ratings out, right?

Speaker 1 I'll tell you, it is hard because they put us into that world now.

Speaker 1 And I'll get like,

Speaker 1 you know, Fawcett, we love Fosso.

Speaker 1 Fawcett will be like, can I put out like a ratings report on the show? And I'm like, kind of kills our gimmick about how ratings don't mean anything. Kind of kills our entire gimmick.

Speaker 1 But it feels like we should say, so this is always Fawcett's. It feels like we are obligated to say that

Speaker 1 it's doing good. And then I immediately go, doing good in whose eyes? Who's saying it's who's saying it's doing good?

Speaker 1 Because then we kind of legitimize something that we've always been like, how the fuck do they know?

Speaker 1 Like in the modern world, with the different devices and streaming and DVR, let alone all the different platforms, then you want to think, how do they know?

Speaker 1 Unless it's on one platform that completely opens up its books and you can see exactly how many things, how do you know what any of it is? Well, it's a projection from boxes that are in.

Speaker 1 It's like, okay.

Speaker 1 That makes sense, but I'm sure Nielsen knows. And if they're all being judged on the same platform, I guess that's what makes it a level playing field.

Speaker 1 So tgl was up from week one to week two allegedly and then the pacers cavaliers beat it by a little bit yeah so it almost it almost won the evening from the ratings that were being reported by however they get those you know however they get those and what those mean tgl still up over a million though yeah it's a lot of people

Speaker 1 it's a lot of people on a wednesday night or tuesday night whatever it was Tuesday night. Nothing's on.
And I went to bed and started reading.

Speaker 1 Love gosh. And I'm like you, I hate reading, but I'm forcing myself.
I'm on this hard 75 deal kick. There you go.
No booze.

Speaker 7 Hard.

Speaker 1 Okay. No booze.
No booze. Hey, weed.
Diet. A lot of.
Yeah, I do my gummies. Okay, yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 You're not doing anything. Welcome to life.
And what are we doing? God, I got some new ones for Christmas, and I've been up in the deal.

Speaker 1 I'm having like some wild,

Speaker 1 like sleeping like a baby. Yeah, good dreams.
Great dreams. Like

Speaker 1 punching, I mean, waking up. Eating his dance,

Speaker 1 eating so much.

Speaker 1 My dreams are crazy.

Speaker 1 Waking up in a puddle. What is that, 10? You're up to 10, 10 milligrams?

Speaker 7 Waking up on all fours.

Speaker 4 Hard 75.

Speaker 1 Spluge everywhere. Why am I on all fours? More like hard 75.

Speaker 4 What the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 Where did this spooge come from? Tina?

Speaker 7 Cat and camera.

Speaker 1 Hey, these are good. What is it, 10 milligrams?

Speaker 1 Shit, Cat couldn't scratch that thing. All right.
Chucky, he needs new sheets.

Speaker 1 He's got some goater pills in a goat. 10 milligrams? And are you sure they're edibles?

Speaker 1 Are we spiking those with anything else, Miss Tina, potentially? So it's a combo. It's got

Speaker 1 CBD and THC. Yeah, do you know how much? And

Speaker 1 2.5 each. Each.
Oh, okay. You still got a ways to go.
Good news for you. No, because

Speaker 1 the only thing I ever think of is like when you throw out this 120 number, and I'm like, there's no fucking way. Yeah, it's not just a one-piece.

Speaker 1 That is a combination of what's potentially in you at a time. No, but I can't even imagine.
Those are good days. The hallucinations I would have.
Those are wild days.

Speaker 1 AJ is actually a funny character in this entire thing because he has a craps.

Speaker 1 table basically of these things uh because there'll be like a five milligram one and then there'll be a 20 milligram one and then he'll have a 62 milligram one somehow and they're all in the same bottle and they all look the exact same hey do you want 10 or 60 uh it could be either okay sweet let me go ahead and dive in, I guess.

Speaker 1 And then you just wait, and then you find out over the next 10, 20 minutes while you're in a plane. It's a good time, H.
You're one of the most entertaining

Speaker 1 distributors, I think, of edibles that I've ever been around in my entire life.

Speaker 1 Could be five, could be 27.

Speaker 7 That's part of it, right? Isn't that part of it?

Speaker 1 No, that's what he used to do.

Speaker 11 10 or 44 is a wild move.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Gump was right there in front of me whenever it was all taking place.
Hey, I got an extra one. You want this?

Speaker 7 That was a rare, a rare instance where I didn't know the exact.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure.
I think it's probably smart to know.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I know.
I know. Yeah, that's old school.
Like, back

Speaker 1 before the

Speaker 1 commercialization of edibles and THC and everything like that, and science and medicine coming in and saying what it benefits and what it doesn't benefit and what you're able to do and all that shit.

Speaker 1 You know, this used to be done just by whoever happened to see a YouTube video or know somebody older than them that was able to make the butter that had weed inside of it.

Speaker 1 And if somebody knew how to make the butter, then they were kind of in control of an afternoon or two. And they had no idea how much to put in there.

Speaker 1 So they'd be like, you got to put an ounce in here. That's that we got to put an ounce in here for an entire thing of brownies.

Speaker 1 And then some people would come in and go, need two ounces to put in here. This is what I've been taught, you know? And then you try to act like they know what the fuck they're talking about.

Speaker 1 But who knows if that was distributed equally? Who knows how much it actually was per bite?

Speaker 1 Like the roll of the dice of the homemade edibles back in the day, brownies more specifically, you had no clue what you were signing up for. You had no idea.
I had one to coffee for 24 hours.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think if you were to compare it to milligrams, it might have been a 200 milligram brownie that I ate.
And I think the guy that made it was like, you should not eat that whole thing.

Speaker 1 And I was like, it's going to be too crazy. And then 24 hours later, I was still feeling it.

Speaker 1 So where we are now, much better than where it used to be whenever it comes to like predicting what it could be.

Speaker 1 Unless you got like an AJ who says, hey, this could be like an eight hour thing or like a hour and a half thing for the flight. You tell me.
And that's kind of the game.

Speaker 1 I guess that's kind of the game in there. Two and a half, though, you're in a good spot.
The CBD and THC ones, I enjoy a lot. It makes your joints feel better.

Speaker 1 I think it does make me feel more comfortable. I think those are good.
I think it's a good split. Two and a half, though, you still got, which is good news, not bad news.

Speaker 1 You still got a lot of room to get to where AJ tries to get to.

Speaker 1 AJ's like, you want a potential coma?

Speaker 1 I got one right here.

Speaker 7 No, it does the opposite. It gives you energy.
You straighten your right knee and you get above a certain amount.

Speaker 1 It's great for the joints. Tim McAfee, anti-smoking forever, you know? Hippies.
I don't want to be a fucking associated with a hippie. Never.
Smoking dope. I ain't doing that.

Speaker 1 I say nope to dope, Tim McAfee said. Then he had an edible and he's like, my knees feel a little bit.
It's great. My shoulders, a little bit.
What are these things? I'm all there. This ain't.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This ain't what. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tim.

Speaker 1 This state, I think, is having a vote. Today or tomorrow,

Speaker 1 Indiana. To potentially medicinal, which is is good because there's people.
Do you think it'll pass? Do we have enough? It's very conservative, isn't it? Very conservative state here.

Speaker 4 Medicinal is so different, though. Yeah, I could see that going.
Recreation never, but I could see like a medicinal.

Speaker 1 New governor, so it would be a new kind of voice in the entire thing. And Holcomb did a lot of great things here in Indiana.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, people would say they appreciate what he did in his gubernatorial run and era here in Indiana.

Speaker 1 But like the weed thing, anytime it was brought up in any of these campaigns locally, it was always, I need to see more research. I need to see more research.
I need to see more research.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it feels like there's a lot of research out there, especially for medicinal, for real things like arthritis and let alone the cancer leukemia.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 And then also the alternative, what it is, big pharma, what that has happened. You know, so it's, I think we're in a, I think the ball's rolling.
I think the ball's rolling.

Speaker 1 Anytime we get to a state, though, where it's obviously legal, we can't bring it back to us, back to Indiana. So we got to eliminate it somehow.
And that is, that is.

Speaker 1 You can go suck down all the Marlboros you want in this state and drink all the damn beer and whiskey, but

Speaker 1 cannabis is actually,

Speaker 1 you say medicinal, good for you, but we're okay with the others. Well, you got a lot of big politics to play there.

Speaker 1 Big tobacco, big alcohol, big pharma.

Speaker 2 Also, who said SIGs and alcohol is not good for you? All right.

Speaker 1 Some idiot.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, Chuck, let's do a giveaway, shall we? 30 people, $500 on this big-time Aaron Rodgers Thursday, January 16th, 2025. Chuck, all you got to do is put the ball into the hoop right over there.

Speaker 1 If you're able to accomplish that test, 30 people are going to be $500 richer. How do you feel about that? Pretty good? I feel really good.
AJ, how do you feel about Chuck putting this thing in there?

Speaker 7 I feel really good. I think this first try, he's going to drain it.

Speaker 1 Amen. Chuck, do it for the people.
Your cactus jacks. Oh, no.
Holy hell. What the hell? We didn't see that coming.
Well,

Speaker 1 I'm going to get loose again.

Speaker 7 Where's he going?

Speaker 1 What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Where are you going?

Speaker 1 Embarrassed himself when he looked at the hood. Good gate.

Speaker 1 Not bad.

Speaker 7 It is a good gate. Oh, he's just getting the ball.

Speaker 1 There's another one over there. That's lava.

Speaker 7 Jeez, Bill is jacked.

Speaker 1 Bill is jacked. Beefcake.
Welcome to the show. Beefcake, Bill.

Speaker 1 It's a house.

Speaker 7 It's a scary individual.

Speaker 1 Chuck walked it off. I appreciate him doing that.
Take a lap, Chuck. Take a lap.

Speaker 1 Take the long way home.

Speaker 1 Sit it down. Yep, what's the reason? That never happened.
Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano will attempt to win 30 people $500. All he has to do is put that football into that hoop right over there.

Speaker 1 In the cactus, Jack, shout out to Travis Scott. Oh,

Speaker 4 more like it. It would have been nice.

Speaker 1 That's what we're talking about. That was a good shot.
Hey, Coach Lou Holtz has something to say to you.

Speaker 4 Listen, I'm going to refer to you as Charlie because you're younger than me. And if I would have coached you, I probably would have called you Charlie.

Speaker 4 That first fucking throw, throw, I'll tell you what, you'd have never played for me, son, ever, throwing like that. That second throw, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 I saw you out here earlier throwing pretty good.

Speaker 4 Enough with the excuses, old male. I hear you talking about your gummies and your joints and all this shit.
Act like you want it, for Christ's sake, okay?

Speaker 4 Fucking put it in the hoop. All right?

Speaker 4 I'm sick and tired of this sad-sack bullshit. We got these people watching this show.
These good people. These God-fearing, nice people, men, women, hulker maniacs.

Speaker 4 There's probably a couple hulker maniacs watching the show as well.

Speaker 4 How much of Williamson buddy?

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 4 How does that sound? Okay?

Speaker 4 Fucking throw the football. Let's go.
Throw that sunbitch as hard as you can and make the fucking shot.

Speaker 1 30 people, $500 potentially.

Speaker 1 Chuck Pagano!

Speaker 1 Oh, mama.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 That's right, this is the one.

Speaker 1 Ton Diggs, who's an AP voter, he has power and say, has something to say to you?

Speaker 2 Chuck, normally, I'm a selfish human being.

Speaker 2 So I'd prefer you not to make this because it would embarrass me because I have not made one of these throws the last three attempts that I've been on this stage. But,

Speaker 2 you know, Coach Lou Holtz kind of inspired me

Speaker 2 to cheer for the good people out there, the God-fearing people out there. And so I wish you the best of luck on this upcoming throw because I know you have it in your heart.

Speaker 2 I know you have it in your arm.

Speaker 1 God bless.

Speaker 1 People are calling your last miss a rim job saying that's what you've been dreaming about when you're on your edibles, Chuck Pagano. 30 people.

Speaker 1 You want this baby dude, two-pointed? No, moment. We have two shots up.

Speaker 1 Only need one. You only get one shot.
One opportunity.

Speaker 1 Don't miss your chance to blow. Because opportunity comes once in a lifetime.
Yo,

Speaker 1 30 people, $500. Boston Conner has something to say to you.
He said you looked young earlier today. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't think you have a chance, to be fair. I'm going to be honest with you.
I think we've been doing this gimmick with you for I don't know how many weeks.

Speaker 4 I can't remember the last time you made it.

Speaker 1 I'm so close. I'm so close.
Look at this. Look at me.

Speaker 1 I'm an old guy, but I can still throw the football. Right in his face.

Speaker 3 You have been close at it.

Speaker 1 Right in his face. 30 people, $500.
You're making it

Speaker 1 throw the fuck home. That's what we're here for.
That's what we're here for. You got doubters.
You got haters. You got a chance to do something about it.
Chuck Pagano.

Speaker 1 Oh, was it close again? I didn't see. That would have been the one.

Speaker 4 That would have been the best season. Was it close, guys? I didn't see it this time.

Speaker 1 That would have been the best one of the season. It was real close.

Speaker 1 Look at how Connor can go home celebrating.

Speaker 1 Bubba Gampino, who obviously is pulling hard for Connie Pagano.

Speaker 1 And everybody out there in Southern California, has a message for you, Chuck, about how you've been doing as of late in this particular game.

Speaker 11 Chuck, there's an old saying

Speaker 11 it says you're only as good as your last game what's happened this year does not matter if you make this last shot brother do you want to be remembered forever as a hero for 30 people to win $500

Speaker 1 or do you want to be the guy that hasn't been able to get a Thursday night bet right

Speaker 1 choice is yours says Gumpy 30 people $500 with the

Speaker 5 That always happens when you go to the Duke.

Speaker 4 It's too heavy for him.

Speaker 1 Bonus ball. No, it's gone.

Speaker 1 It's gone forever. Man.
It's a good attempt. Another week.
I know you'll make it. I know you'll make it someday.

Speaker 1 Bill almost got his head splattered off in the mud.

Speaker 1 That's real. He almost did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was very close. He did not know.
He's talking about how loyal and, I mean, that's a good one. He didn't move.
Yeah, he's locked in. That's Bill.
That's why nothing's a hobby.

Speaker 1 It's a lifestyle. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's beefcake, Bill. That's right.

Speaker 1 All right, we're out of here. Can't thank you guys enough.
We'll be back tomorrow with a Feel Good Friday, and then we'll propel into Divisional Round weekend with

Speaker 1 an attitude that's never been seen before. Hell yeah.
Such a positive one, knowing that all the games are going to be fantastic.

Speaker 1 Then on Monday, not only do we have the national championship Monday night, we're going to be live in Atlanta. I think we got some big time special guests stopping by.
Really? Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Big time special guests. Might have been a little bit of a hint here today.

Speaker 1 Leave you at that. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice might change your life.
Like Pizza Hut has. Yeah.
Did you see it pop up there? I did. We're in the middle of a conversation.

Speaker 1 It was hard not to be like, Pizza and Wings, Pizza and Wings. I know.
My eyes just go right to it every time.

Speaker 1 It was hard not to, look at the cheese. Oh, man.
The perfectly placed pepperoni. I know.
Pepperon.

Speaker 1 Which team are you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 You don't got to choose a team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Team Hut.
Are they bone in?

Speaker 2 Because that's an easy decision.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if it's bone in wings, I think it's a little bit closer battle. If it's a chicken huggets with great sauce, which they have the best

Speaker 1 out of anybody, I think it's a little bit easier decision. But I would like to remain Switzerland.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 1 I'm on both teams here. Yeah, exactly.
They're both great. Amen.
But I appreciate that there are some people that say no one.

Speaker 5 And we mean no one.

Speaker 1 Out Pizza's the Hut, and they refuse to try anything else from Pizza Hut, so they're definitely on Team Pizza. But if you have the bone-in wings, I think you're going to say, well, wait a minute now.

Speaker 1 Change your life?

Speaker 1 Wait a minute now.

Speaker 1 Because kind of like Wingy. Yeah, they love Wingy.

Speaker 1 They got fryers in all their stores.

Speaker 1 So their wings are just like wing shops, but they don't happen to promote it as much. They more so promote the boneless and then pizza.

Speaker 1 Their wings, bone, and wings are legit and their sauces are magnificent.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Pizza Hut.

Speaker 1 Shout out. Shout out.
Let's get the hell out of here. Chuck, thank you for your great work this week.
Love your notes. Thank you.
Love every single thing about it.

Speaker 1 Be a friend, tell a friend something nice about change your life. We're in this thing together.
Let's never forget it. Team on me, team on three, one, two, three.
Team. Goodbye.

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