PMS 2.0 1278 - Michael Lombardi, Aaron Rodgers, Dan Orlovsky, Coach Chuck Pagano, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on this Aaron Rodgers Thursday, January 16, 2025. This program starts now.
Football! It is wonderful. We'll be talking to Aaron in the second hour.
We'll be talking to the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Heel football team, Michael Lombardi, who's been a topic of conversation in football, obviously, because he's been refuting basically every single narrative that Bill Belichick is trying to get back to the NFL, even though he's currently the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Heroes, where Lombo is the general manager. I think the reason why Lombo is so aggressively open against it is because there's probably a lot of college teams that are utilizing Bill Belichick's going to the NFL, Bill Belichick's going to the NFL as a recruiting advantage against North Carolina.
So as they're trying to build their team through the transfer portal and put everything together down there in North Carolina, all anybody's seeing reports all over the place is that Bill Belichick's trying to get to the NFL, Bill Belichick's trying to get to the NFL. That'll certainly be used against North Carolina whenever you're recruiting somebody.
And all you need is a good class. You get a good class, you can flip an entire program, which is exactly what bill and lombo are trying to do down there in north carolina i think it's logical for people to expect bill belichick to be like okay i'm done with the college thing i went to a couple high schools i did some negotiating with 17 year olds i've been talking to 50 different agents and managers and now the college world what it is i could be done with that and go back to the nfl especially with the job openings and what people are looking for this coaching cycle seemingly versus other coaching cycles of the past so it's all very believable these reports that are being thrown out there we'll ask lombo his thoughts on it in about 20 minutes or so i cannot wait to chat with him yes i love conversating with lombo yeah i had that he started some shit at NFL Films whenever he was on our show.
That is Longbow football. He is wide open.
He has been great as a podcast host, as an author, as a live show host, as a daily newsletter writer because he has a lot of thoughts, a lot of opinions, a lot of knowledge, and also a lot of experience in football. More so than anybody that's talking shit about him on a regular basis.
So I can't wait to hear what he has to say in about 20 minutes. And then Aaron Rodgers, obviously Southern California native, everything that's going on with the fire.
I believe he had to evacuate. We'll catch up with that with him.
And then also, what's he doing? Yeah. What's he doing next year? Who knows? What are his thoughts next year? There's a lot of conversations because, remember, he's open to anything attached to nothing, I believe is the exact quote.
And there's a lot of ifs that have been put into place for him to have to answer questions if he wants to come back to play, if the New York Jets want him back, if that is going to be the case, then maybe he plays for the New York Jets next year. If he wants to come back to play, if the Jets don't want him back, then all of a sudden he's part of the QB market where there's going to be seven different spots, allegedly, that are going to be looking for a quarterback.
And then there's only a few college guys that they're saying are NFL-ready or NFL-caliber quarterbacks coming through the draft. And then you've got a lot of maybe that second, third chapter free agent quarterback, just like we saw the resurgence of the renaissance man, Baker Mayfield, down there.
And then Sam Donald, who we thought, okay, $45, $50 million a year maybe with his second coming over there in minnesota he'll be a free agent russell wilson will be back on the market kirk cousins potentially will be back on the market although all signs are leading to that being the case and then if you look at drew lock daniel jones jimmy g i mean that's all these are all the names that are going to be out there seven jobs potentially open maybe more maybe less shall see. And then you look at the college guys.
Everybody's talking about Shadur, Jalen Milrow, Quinn Ewers, Cam Ward. Nobody's talking about Will Howard.
Nope. Except for us.
And I didn't talk about Will Howard all year. I didn't talk about Will Howard last year when he was the Big 12 Player of the Year at Kansas State and went to overtime against his Texas team as a Kansas State Wildcat.
And what he has done, and with these eyes, with these eyes, what I've seen him do, how he has led, how he's perfect. And he hasn't even ran that much this year in his Chip Kelly offense because they don't need it because of all the weapons they have on the outside.
Kansas State, he was running all over the place. 6'3.
6-3 240 and he obviously has weapon service that's

a bucket i mean he just dropped the rate in to a bucket he's able to read defenses make the right that's a ball that's an nfl throw right there and also something we got to see that not everybody else gets to see i saw this guy coming out of the tunnel we're talking about Oh, yeah.

Mark.

Seeker swag.

Yeah.

We're talking about a little bit of, you know. We're talking a little.
He's got some gut sack. Had a shiesty on whenever he was playing against Tennessee.
Obviously, no sleeves. It's like, I like this guy.
I like him a lot. One half of the hammer.
Died. Cowboys AP tone.
You said you did a mock draft. You picked him up in the fourth round.
they're talking about this quarterback draft class not being great and then they're not mentioning this guy's name doesn't make sense to me but you did your mock draft about him in the fourth round i think mel kuyper's projected him to be in the fourth round i am baffled by that especially with what he's been doing on the biggest stages that you can get in college ball in the history of college ball throughout these 12 team playoffs yeah personally i drafted him today in the fourth round for the pittsburgh steelers on pff's mock draft uh congratulations i think that's a steal i thought it was a steal too but it turns out judging by the replies he's a very very polarizing uh figure on the internet it was either hey that's a great pick or this guy's the worst human being of all time i don't know why will Will Howard's so polarizing, maybe just because he plays for Ohio State. I think he's a good quarterback.
I think the potential to be a great quarterback based off of arm strength, size, height, all those intangibles that you talk about. And he's a leader.
We've talked about it. He is a...
When he got the concussion, not concussion, against Michigan, and was just spritting up and down the sideline, this guy's got a bit of a pizzazz to him as well. Yeah, and the concussion or not concussion against Michigan and was just spritting up and down the sideline this guy's got a bit of a pizzazz to him as well yeah and the concussion against Michigan potentially why you know I mean that's you talk about their season and what is the downfall well obviously he has that situation against Oregon okay so hold that against them then they lose to Michigan okay hold that against him how do you respond in the biggest moment? Oh, you choke.
You choke against Oregon. He choked.

The guy couldn't execute in the highest pressure.

Has he now in these different situations?

I think Will Howard deserves a lot more respect.

Let's go to the talks at the table at Boston Conner and at Ty Schmidt.

Great to see you boys.

You boys have seen him live.

This is just like when you see Drake May.

Yeah.

You see Drake May and it's like, wow, that baby face, you don't think,

especially with how he moves, you don't think how big he is. Then we run into him in a hotel during college game day whenever we had a North Carolina game, and I'm looking like this at this guy.
I'm like, I did not know it was built like this. And then Will Howard, same exact.
I mean, you're looking up at Will Howard. He's a massive strapping lad.
It's a wild time, but he's got his team in the national championship. Riley Leonard hasn't been talked talked about as a guy and i think it's strictly because of his arm and how he throws and everything like that he's not the only quarterback in the history of college that hasn't had the greatest arm coming out it's just like feels like a couple guys haven't been talked about feels like the draft class as a whole has been talked about as being shite which i don't think is fair uh because who knows who's going to be good who knows who's going to be terrible yeah i mean there's top five picks a quarterback position who, there's top five picks at quarterback position who stink.
And then there's guys 199. It's like, how do you know who's good? Well, the way they throw it, it's like, the only thing that matters is in here, brother.
This is the only thing that matters at that position. Have to be able to make throws.
Have to be able to do it. But how's the work ethic? How's the leadership? How's the football love? And then how can you dissect defenses? And how can you show up in the biggest moments? leonard and will howard at this point have showed up in the biggest of moments thus far obviously another opportunity on monday night in the national championship yeah and they can both move which is awesome i feel like you have to have that going into the nfl now especially at the quarterback position but when you talk about the biggest moments like also some of the biggest teams like tennessee the big takeaway when we watched them all year was like their defense flies around.
They play hard and they hit. They dominated Tennessee and granted at home in the cold, whatever.
That's a strike right there. Absolute seed.
And there's some of those all over the place. And look who he's playing against, Oregon.
The best team all season. One of the best offenses and defenses that they probably went against all year year and he's leading that team against you know the best offense and defense so i assume he has a you know a say in getting the team ready as far as pre-game getting the boys hyped up and then of course the last game like texas was one of the bigger best teams that we all saw very expensive a lot of pros a lot of pros on that team a lot of money lot of money gone into that team.
You talk about the teams that benefited from everyone talking about Ohio State spending $20 million. Texas was one of those teams because they probably spent upwards if not more than $20 million to get the guys to retain the guys.
Everybody that's left has spent at least $20 million. Exactly.
That probably goes back one round. I think we just didn't know that everybody was going to be able to do that.
Not everybody is able to do that. The teams that are, though, certainly going to have quite an advantage.
You're seeing them around right now. April 8th ruling, we'll see how that goes.
Joining us here is a man who's an absolute legend. Not only on these parts, but the entire football landscape.
For sure. 36 years in football, 18 in college, 18 in the NFL.
Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Pagone. Yeah, Coach.
Hey, Coach, you just heard us break down, Will Howard. I think you've been watching games alongside of us for these college football playoffs.
And then you're watching those highlights. I see you saying, that looks like it, that looks like it.
Why do you think he's not being chatted about? And what do you think it takes for a college quarterback to be great in the NFL? Well, when you were talking about him this morning, I went and pulled up on my iPad. You said, hey, check him out.
So I went and watched that Oregon game. Did he miss a pass? What was his completion percentage? No, he was great.
High. I mean, because all those throws are spot on.
They're all runner's balls. They're not behind.
Is he okay? It's four degrees out here. There's a lot of snow.
More snow than we could have fathomed here. I thought it was flying into Surrey Aval.
It looked like the first. There is nothing.
Or Green Bay, whatever. Or Minnesota, any of the cold-ass times.
Indianapolis is not normally a snow place because it's so windy. So normally it's a crop snow.
It's thin snow. You know, it's snowball snow.
Wintery mix. Yeah, it's normally quick in, quick out.
You normally are able to see just grass. It's normally frozen that you don't normally see.
Snow's been sticking around this year and cold as shit. Shite.
So I hope you're able to battle through today with your voices. No, we're good.
We're good. So this looks like another Big Ben, right? So there's still going to be a handful of offensive systems like Goff in Detroit right now with Ben Johnson, right? That want a pocket passer, want a big tall.
Like, is this guy, when you stood next to him, does he look like Andrew? Like, big. Strong.
Physical. So he's got all the metrics.
It looks like he can process and he can read a defense because he knows where to go with the ball. He throws a pretty ball.
He's a good enough athlete to get out of trouble. Watch this.
Watch this. Watch him celebrate with the boys.
Ah. Uh-huh.
Ah. Uh-huh.
Ah. And to me, that's the biggest thing.
Like, so we've made a ton of mistakes on quarterbacks over the years. Everybody, right? But the one thing you don't want to make a mistake on is the football IQ.
The football character. So who's the guy that steps in the huddle where, like, all of his of his teammates? You can tell.
You can go to a game. You can go to a practice, and you can just watch the body language, and you can watch his teammates around him, how they respond to him.
Isn't it like, is he a guy? Is he a guy? So everybody says it. So you go to those practices, you go to those games, and you can see it.
The way his teammates respond, and the way they rally around

him, and how he

celebrates with his teammate. You can

see a guy like

they score touchdowns, and nobody's around him,

or he goes by himself.

Nobody wants his birthday party.

It looks like he has it.

Yeah, I think so.

As he was doing that celebration, he

literally just was staring through my soul, because I do believe i picked against them in that particular game uh no no no yeah so basically he was looking over at us though and it's like he has a handshake with all his teammates all of them he's brand new and he's played so much football he has played five years now of football at a very i mean it's a lot of plays so people people talk about why was Bo Nix able to succeed so much as he played a lot of football. 60 starts.
A lot of football. Accurate, too.
He was able to complete a lot of passes. You just talked about that.
C.J. Stroud.
Why was C.J. Stroud still? Played a lot of football.
Jaden Daniels. A lot of football.
This dude has played a lot of college ball. I'm not saying that's going to be an abnormal thing going forward because I think a lot more people are sticking around because NIL money is more than rookie year money, even though second year money, third year money, fourth year money, second contract money are in a stratosphere that no NIL will ever be able to get to.
So you're kind of delaying your path to that, but you're certainly getting paid a lot more money than you probably would your rookie season as a salary. So I think it's going to keep guys playing more football but it's like i think this guy's special right here i i think this dude is a guy i think he's a guy and uh the fact that i think the draft process because they're putting him in the fourth round i think he's gonna have to go through the combine he's gonna have to grind it out like he's gonna have to do very well that's a big day for him i think his pro day is gonna have to be a big I think his interviews are going to have to go very well.
You know, some quarterbacks at this stage, especially with the amount of success that he has had, certainly with what his team is having now, even though Riley Leonard on the other side is like, I play a lot of football too. Yeah.
What do we, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, my guys love me. Duke.
What I've been able to get Duke and Notre Dame. It's like, they're thinking the same exact thing.
I think this year, this draft process, we're going to have to see these guys prove themselves. It's the first time we've seen that in a long time at the quarterback position, Ty.
We'll see. Everything obviously changes.
If he goes to the combine and runs a 4-7 or a 4-6-5, then I feel like that's one of those things where it's like, okay, maybe he's much more athletic than we thought he is. You think because of Chip Kelly offense, he hasn't been moving much.
So they say big, mayonnaise, this guy's moving at the speed of nothing. We've talked about it a little bit.
He definitely gets dinged for being at Ohio State and for them having as much talent as they had. But look at when he was at Kansas State.
There was a couple guys that went to the NFL, but he wasn't playing with the type of roster he is now. And you still have to, like, it's not like, I mean, granted, Ohio State brought him in and he was going to be the starter, but you still have to earn that.
And when you're playing around a bunch of other five stars, for him to be like the de facto, like we've seen him doing these games, like the way he is on the sideline, his energy, and it's not just with the offense, it's with the defense. We saw the way he was, in Jack Sawyer's face and pumping him up after the scoop and score for the touchdown.
I think that's also very impressive, and that's something that gets discounted a little bit. It is his first year at Ohio State, and there's no guarantee that he would come in and just immediately get his teammates' respect and love and admiration, especially when they had the kind of season that they did where, you know, the sky was falling after Michigan.
They lose to the, like, you know, they lose the Oregon game. Like, him kind of being level-headed and saying, hey, everything's still out in front of us, that's massive.
And then for him to come out and play his best football of the season, like, I think no matter what, I think he is a lot better. We personally, after

seeing him live in person the last several

weeks, it's like, what's going on here?

But I think no matter what, he's made himself

a lot of money in this playoff.

Well deserved. And to your

point about the sky falling,

after that Michigan loss, his teammates

all paid a lot of money.

All five stars. Thinking, man, we wasted

this year with this guy. You could turn on him.
But instead, they't and obviously could have turned on ryan day they didn't they kind of stuck together and rallied whenever the outside certainly lost a lot of hope in what was possible for them i love this dude and riley too like after that northern illinois game he obviously wrote about it in the players tribune about having to get a cop take him home and where he was he went indoor facility because of how depressed he was, felt like he let down Notre Dame, and how they've responded and followed behind him. I like the fact that these two quarterbacks in a position that they're in, that they're going to have to go prove it, not only on Monday night, but going into the NFL.
I think you have something about the draft process? Yeah, like those two, you talked about proving it. Those two are both going to the Senior Bowl, so we'll see both of them there at the Senior Bowl.
We're also going to see Jackson Dart, dylan gabriel and jalen milrow all at the senior bowl so it's like one of those years where these guys do have to go out and prove them prove themselves so we're not going to see these guys sitting out not throwing at things we're going to see them a lot over the next few months before the draft which will kind of inevitably help them like they're not going to go to a terrible situation like if these actually potentially yeah like there's a chance during this draft process and i'm picking will howard but let's say it's somebody else somebody in the interviews yeah sure there's gonna be some coach it's like hey are we gonna let somebody else feel the same way we feel about this person and that's quarterback position that's when you see movement to potentially get drafted but to your point if it stays how it stays right now it's like you potentially get drafted second third round to a good team 20 even even end of the first round like if we're talking about the steelers as a team looking for a quarterback like that'd be a great situation to go to and you can say whatever you want about the steelers but like they have a great defense and that would be a good football town to end up in no matter what you want to say about the steelers tone but still any of those teams that might be q QB needy. And I wouldn't throw the Jets in there just because of all the things that have happened with the Jets and kind of what it's surrounding.
And we don't know what's happening with Aaron. And we don't know what's happening with Aaron yet.
But you talk about a team with good defense, a great running back, a great wide receiver. There are situations out there where if you're a quarterback like one of these guys who isn't regarded as one of the top five picks, top ten picks in the draft, that you could end up in a great situation and set up to succeed in the NFL.
You've been a part of the draft process a lot more than I have on the inside. Is there a chance somebody really impresses and they move up, especially at the quarterback position? That's the most important position in the NFL.
A team will certainly use a first-rounder on a quarterback that they hope and think will be something special. How much movement can happen during that draft process for a guy like Will or Riley or any of these guys? Jalen Milrow even.
What is the draft process like and how much can people move? I think a bunch happens, especially after you go through all-star games, you go through the combine, and then you start the interview process, and then you have 30-30s. So I think once these guys figure out who these guys are, so I don't know what the knock is on Will Howard.
I don't know why he's sitting there as a potential fourth rounder, if there's something off the field. Tone, you mentioned...
He's got that baby face. He looks too young too young he's gonna get carded if he buys beers for the boys well we've had some young looking you know people come into these programs and do okay you know just because of that but but but yeah there's there's i mean because it only takes one right beauty's in the eye of the beholder so it only takes one so yes things can The kid can come in, he can just totally knock the socks off of everybody in your organization, even on a top 30.
Like, okay, wow, this guy. And then as soon as they get to break down and listen to him dissect the film, I'm sure like Sean Payton, when he went and did Bo, and he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt, okay, this is the next human that I want to work with.
He's got, like, because of this. And you hear about how complex that offense is and just the play calling.
And that Bo doesn't even have a, doesn't do a risk. He memorizes every, like Andrew.
He's 35 years old. Andrew did that.
Yeah. And these play calls go from this wall to that wall.
Yeah. And there's like 10,000 on a play sheet.
You see these play sheets, right? I have no idea how they do just that. I'm on the defensive side of the ball the entire time.
I don't know how these playbacks do it. But that, okay, now identify the defense too.
Who's the mic? What's the protection going to be? Oh, I have motion too. Okay, bring this guy over here and then bring this one and then snap the ball remember the snap count oh yeah what's it on so I just called this what are we on okay we're on two okay good cool and then and then snap the ball and then and then all the guys are doing all this and then figure out okay it was covered too that they were I told the story of Andrew Luck showing up first day delayed spring because he had to graduate to be a something like that.
Architect? Yeah, architectural engineer. Yeah, both.
An engineer and an architect. There were several degrees, I think.
Yeah, all of them happening. So Stanford, real school.
So they weren't like, no, you can't do this. Just wrap this up and then you can go to OTAs.
So he was late to OTAs. It was like a week and a half.
Just a lot. Yeah, it was like a week and a half, two weeks of OTAs, which was a lot of on-field stuff.
But his first day there, he made a check that was at the end of the playbook, and nobody else had it. Like the offensive line had no fucking idea what he was talking about.
Wide receivers had no idea what he was talking about. And this is like his first day in the building.
So he's like, check, check, check, goes to something, and everybody like looks at him. What is that? And then Bruce Arians has to motherfuck him and say, we don't know, we're not of a bitch.
The whole thing like that. And that was his introduction to the team.
And I think that was when we were all like, oh, okay. This is the chosen one.
It's 100 level for everybody but him. He was already on 500.
And looking up at him. Big son of a bitch.
Avatar. And that's what kind of happened last year with Atlanta.
You could throw Pennix in there. And granted, Pennix was considered a first-round pick.
But no one – I think he was plus 2,000 to go to Atlanta at eight or nine, wherever he went. And that's a team who fell in love with a guy.
They paid Kirk Cousins $100 million guarantee. But they were like, hey, we love this kid.
So why would we pass on a quarterback that we love when we know like Kirk Cousins isn't a 10-year, 12-year option? And nobody outside the building other than knows the mentalist knew it was possible. Yeah, that's right.
To kind of put a wrap on this particular conversation before we bring in the general manager of the North Carolina Tar Heels football team, here's Will Howard talking about nobody talking about him. You know, I try not to, but it does seep in a little bit.
You know, obviously things and it feels like I just keep getting, nobody really wants to give me any credit, but I love that. Keep it coming, man.
As much motivation as I can get, I'm going to take. And I love people challenging me and challenging this team because it keeps that chip on our shoulder and keeps that edge.
And when we play like that, when we play like a little pissed off and have a little chip on our shoulder, I think that's good for us. Okay, so that's Will Howard chit-chatting about loving it and listening to it and hearing it.
Everybody hears everything these days. We have found that out.
We have found that out. Hard not to.
Yeah, whenever we run into somebody that we just so happened to potentially crack a joke about vice versa yeah and also yeah we are joining us now ladies and gentlemen is a man who has heard at nfl films he's heard around the league he's heard on the internet he's heard on live air he's read in books and heard in ted talks and now he's a general manager of a college football team down there in beautiful North Carolina for the Tar Heels. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi.
How are we doing today? Hi, Zahn. How are you doing down there in North Carolina? Still doing college football, huh? We are doing good.
We're out recruiting. Everybody's on the road.
Coach Belichick is on the road. He's in D.C.
today. In spite of all the stories trying to say that he's not working in here and contract, all that, Coach is on the road recruiting.
He's in Baltimore. He's in actually D.C.
today. He'll be in Baltimore tomorrow.
And we're trying to get some players to become Tar Heels. We're excited.
Okay, so let's talk about all of this because there's so many different layers to this. Other teams that are recruiting the same guys that you guys are recruiting are definitely using these reports against you guys, I assume, in recruiting, which is why you have been so loud and adamant about the fact that you guys are committed to the North Carolina football team.
Is that an accurate assessment on the situation? Yeah, I mean, I'm loud because I think so many of them, especially the one that keeps going on, is being generated by someone who doesn't like our program doesn't like me or like coach belichick and refuses to allow it to go it's parcells used to say to me all the time quick kicking the horse he's already dead well they keep quick kicking something that doesn't exist you know and so it's click for their website which is wonderful and then they take shots at us as individuals look, somebody has to stand up for our program, right? And somebody has to be able to put their voice into the program. Everyone says, well, why isn't Bill speaking out? Bill doesn't speak out.
That's what I'm supposed to do as the general manager here is to let people know what's going on with our program. He's not going anywhere.
You know, contracts are very complicated. And I think if you understand the North Carolina system, it is a state institution.
It takes a while to get things done. There's a lot of hurdles to go through, but we're all getting paid.
I haven't signed my contract yet, Pat. I mean, so this is just a complete story that people want to run with.
I've said this many times. I was with Bill every day in the office during the fall.
We talked about every single NFL job that could open up. And every time I would bring one up with hopes that he would be interested, he shot it down.
He's where he wants to be. And I know it's hard to get it through some of these thick people's heads that he wants to be somewhere else.
Like this is where he wants to be. And I am not just a spokesman, but I'm telling you exactly how it is.
Well, I think it's a believable narrative, especially with what you hear from all the older coaches in college ball about how miserable it is having to do college football. But what Bill was pitching to us was basically like, hey, it's pro football now.
This is actually in our wheelhouse more so than it's ever been probably, right? Yeah, I don't have an owner that's going to come down here and tell me what to do. I don't have an owner's son who's going to tell me we need to look at pro football focus more often.
I don't have any of that, right? I don't have that. I can watch tape.
I can look at players. We can recruit.
I mean, it's really the perfect, and he can build this program, and he can impact young men more the future and for today. And if you want to be a pro player, and you want to understand what a pro organization looks like, here we are.
All this nonsense, while they haven't hired any coaches, and the ACC is nervous. Oh, they're nervous, all right.
I hired a whole personnel department over here. They're whining tape.
we built a whole pro organization with a pro grading system and they're all over there grinding tape and then we've hired coaches as we go along i don't understand how people can keep generating a story that has no story to it okay so you've agreed to terms right you've agreed to terms on a contract you and bill both with, with North Carolina. That has to get approved by a lot of different parties.
So we kind of got that figured out. College ball isn't more miserable for you guys.
You actually see it the opposite way because you don't have to deal with a looming millionaire who has different ideas. Recruiting, he's on the road right now, doesn't hate it at all, actually likes it? No, loves it.
I mean, he really enjoys it. And the it's been really good he goes out there he meets all the kids and then we've been able to put some office office we haven't been we've kind of got we we came in here behind you know we need to build a draft board or a high school board we need to build a a portal board and we're trying to do it on a line item basis which is difficult but we will find smart tough dependable kids that want to be a part of a pro program there's plenty of them out there okay so that jot that one off we're checking a lot of these boxes here that would make sense on why bill would want to go you haven't got a complete coaching staff yet but you have an entire pro personnel group which i think is very new for college ball so what you're saying is instead of reporting that we've actually pieced together the most important part of modern ball, you keep reporting about the coaching staffs.
We'll get to that is kind of the thought, right? There's a process here on what we need to do, a timeline on it all? Yeah. Well, first of all, people don't understand the NFL rules, right? So after two weeks when coaches are not in the playoffs, you can actually go talk to them if they're free agents.
So we wanted to wait and see how many coaches who are going to become who are working in the NFL who want to be here. And our phones have a lot of contacts on that.
And then also, we wanted to see what some of the college coaches who were available. We thought building a staff was probably the last thing we needed to do.
We need to improve the talent pool here at North Carolina. That was really important to us.
And so we needed to build a system of operation within this department. We needed processes and systems put in place so that we're just not randomly offering players.
And we had to hire certain people to get that. Then we had to hire a strength coach, right? So we hired the New England, former New England strength coach, Moses, who's down here.
And then he had to hire a staff. And now his entire staff is in place.
And so now we can start our off-season program. Hiring the receiver coach, hiring the O-line coach, we were going to wait until the time was right, until we got everybody in the building so that all the staffs could work together, interview those people at one time.
We're not just throwing this out there. This is well thought out.
I mean, the guy's won six Super Bowls. He's put together a staff before.
Okay, so on all of those notes there, I think in college ball, the position coaches can't even really coach yet. Anyways, the weight room is the most important part because that is the off-season program in there.
You're going to have to get a staff before, obviously, the football aspect of it all comes back into the college calendar. On that note, Coach Pagano has a couple questions.
Hey, Lombo, I'm sure a lot of the pushback, you know, the narratives, the talk about Bill, you know, the contract and going back to the National Football League, until you do get a bunch of coaches hired, I'm sure you're having to go into these high schools and these homes. You're talking to these recruits, and they're asking you, okay, we know who the defensive coordinator is going to be, right? It's going to be Steve.
Who's the D-line coach? Who is the O-line coach? Who's the receiver coach? You guys know. You have a good idea.
I see you guys brought in Mike Prefer. Now, what a get that is.
I mean, you've got 20-plus years of experience at the National Football League, right, coaching at the – I love Coach Prefer. I thought he was unbelievable when he was coaching special teams.
So you got a good one there. Talk to us a little bit about that one.
And then just how you're defending, you know, Bill and the rest of your, you know, process about hiring guys and why you're taking so long and how you're, you know, keeping these coaches and these high school – you know, keep them on the hook so people aren't killing you and recruiting with that. Yeah, I mean, Coach Prefer, you know, a Naval Academy graduate, would put him at the top of the list for Coach Belichick, so that's important.
And, you know, all the NFL experience. Plus, for your special teams coach, you want somebody that understands player personnel.
Because it's, as you guys all know, it's a matchup game. You know, you want to make sure you have the right guys in the kicking game.
And I think Gutten Coach here is outstanding. But I don't think people truly understand about Coach Belichick and the system that he's put in place.
It's a head coach-driven system. So everything that we do here starts and ends with the head coach's office.
That doesn't mean nobody has a voice. We all have a voice.
We all have the ability to share our information, but everything is being channeled through him. We're not an independent contractor organization.
The wide receiver coach isn't going to just arbitrarily pick all the players he wants and not tell anybody, or the D-line coach. This is going to be a process like the NFL.
We're going to build a board, and ultimately, Coach Belichick and myself, we're going to grade all the players who we offer scholarships to, and then we're going to be a process like the NFL. We're going to build a board and ultimately Coach Belichick and myself, we're going to grade all the players who we offer scholarships to and then we're going to go out and recruit them.
So we're a different model than a lot of teams where the head coach is somewhat of a overseer. No, our head coach runs the entire program and I think we have to explain that to kids.
We have to explain that, yes, that you're going to have a relationship with your receiver coach or your running back coach but the reality of it is if that coach leaves we're not changing our systems we're not changing our protocols we're not changing our process we're going to get someone who's going to come in and fulfill the requirements of that job because the head coach is still here that's the part we have to drive home i think that's unique in in college football. Watching film, you feel like you guys got a great advantage.
I mean, I assume Bill hasn't even gotten into, he said, I think I was just watching as a fan, the playoffs or something like that. He hasn't dove into the film yet.
And obviously Bill has had to do a lot for the draft process, watching film and everything like that. Do you guys have your strategy pretty much figured out on what you're looking for, how you want to build a team to make it successful down there? It's the same as the pro.
I mean, we want the same thing. Obviously, we're dealing with younger players.
We've got to do a better job of projecting where there's a tight end that we're recruiting in Western North Carolina who plays tight end. He looks like he could be a dynamic center.
So, you know, we have to project players into different positions because these are still young men. They're not grown up.
They're not. It's not as easy as throw the Tennessee tape on and watch the right tackle and see if he's going to play right tackle in the NFL.
You've got to do some projections of this and look at the player and say, where is he going to be in two years? Especially at the high school quarterback level. You know, there's so much shotgun.
Where is the guy's rhythm? How's he throwing the football? So everything we're doing, we scout inside out, not outside in. We're going to find players that fit the systems that are generated from Coach Belichick that we want to run here at North Carolina.
And that's why we're going to continue this program in a sustainable fashion. So we know what we're looking for at each position, whether it's the center, whether it's the right tackle, left tackle, they all have a job description that we want and traits that we're looking for in those positions how's it been going talking to these players that you're looking to fit into the positions that you need hey we need this type of guy here we need this type of guy here then you obviously find the film your pro personnel department we need to find this type of guy who are they then you go and recruit them i assume there's a lot of you said positive reception i assume just like nfl guys feel good whenever bill comes into a press conference and compliments them i feel like it's probably a pretty good feeling for these dudes and their families whenever you guys walk in and say hey we think you would be a guy that would fit in well in our program and then you sell them on a program how has the reception been how much of it is money based too are you guys still having to obviously battle with that entire aspect of what college ball is right now? Yeah.
I mean, like I tell every kid that comes up to my office and looking for an NIL deal, look, don't be shy. Come in here.
This is professional football. You know, if you're going to do the contract yourself.
Oh, wait, wait, wait. I want to stop you right there.
Are you helping them with business too? I think that's something that needs to happen. I think there's something that needs to happen.
What I'm trying to help them for is stand up for themselves. I'm not saying I'm going to tell them yes to what they want, but they're going to have to have enough guts to walk in the room and say, this is what I'm looking for.
That's part of growing up. That's part of being a professional.
We are a professional business and the relationship that they and I have has to be based purely on honesty. I can't lie to any of these kids.
They may not hear what I want to hear, tell them what they want to hear, but I'm going to tell them the truth based on what I see. And so that's part of this whole thing.
I really believe that that's the kind of culture we're in, and that's what makes it a lot easier. And these young kids, you know, they're impressionable.
They see pro football, all that. What makes it so unique for us to explain our system is we can take bills done this many times.
Take a young kid who wants to play slot receiver, for example. All right, well, we'll just throw on some New England tape.
You want to be a slot receiver? Here's the offense we run. Watch Troy Brown.
Watch Danny Amendola. Watch Julian Edelman.
You know, watch all these slot receivers. Watch Wes Welker.
We've had all these slot receivers. This is you playing.
You want to be an outside receiver? We have an outside receiver from Penn State coming in on Friday. You want to be an outside? Here's the routes Randy Moss ran.
Here's what this looks like playing in this offense. Deion Branch played here.
So it's a lot easier to explain to the players. Hey, look, Mike Vrabel's the new head coach of the Patriots.
We sign an outside linebacker with size. We'll put on the Patriot tape and show them what Vrabel does.
Wes Walker just got a job opening as well. And Vrabel, depending upon who he decides or ends up making his offensive coordinator, a lot of those plays were being made by a guy named Josh McDaniels, an offensive coordinator.
He's available allegedly right now. Now, how that ends, I don't want to get into your guys' business, but it feels like you guys are going to be able to figure some things out hopefully you're able to have success early because if you have success early then it's a much easier sell going forward then you almost get in the point where you know i think every program is trying to get like this especially in this world a little bit of a hometown discount you know about what what the future looks like if you're not getting that you're not going to succeed kirby smart's to get that down.
They're paying players, but Kirby Smart's able to get a hometown discount because they know you go to Georgia, there's a good chance you're going to win, and there's a good chance you're going to make it to the NFL. Nick Saban was able to get that type of respect from people.
Hey, even though I'm not going to have a starting role here, I'm going to be a third stringer. I know that if I put in the work, I'm going to be able to become a pro, so I'm going to make this decision as opposed decision as opposed to it it's like once you get the reputation i know bill belichick already has that for being a successful genius and you multiple times super bowl winner as well have that thing but if you can win quick all these jobs get a lot easier like marcus freeman yeah being able to win quick gets much easier if it's yeah if it's like a hey we need four or five years to win nobody's sticking with you i mean it is just that's just how it is it's crazy time in college ball i can't wait to watch you guys operate i hope you do lend some advice business-wise to these guys though because we're in an entrepreneurial generation everybody can make their own money in their phone in their pocket you know one way or another i think you got a lot more hustlers i as somebody who is uh utilized you as a sounding board for 100 million dollar plus deals multiple occasions i think uh you'd be remiss if you didn't utilize that as a weapon too for this generation like hey we're gonna do what we used to do in new england starting may 15th was we had the off-season program where all these young kids, they come from college, and we take them through an entire program.
First thing you want to do, if you get drafted in the NFL, first thing you want to do, lose your cell phone. Lose your cell phone because all of a sudden you've got friends you never thought you had.
So get a new cell phone number. So we're going to teach everybody the same program that we ran in New England on player development.
That's going to be an ongoing occurrence here. And we're also going to tap into, we've got an incredible leadership school here.
A Jim Coleman Leadership Center that we started, that Jim Coleman started in honor of his father. It's a tremendous part of the University of North Carolina system.
And that's something that's near and dear to my heart. And we're going to teach, we teach leadership once a week to all the freshmen here on the campus.
Kevin Donnelly, a former player for the Houston Oilers. He's part of our staff.
He does that as well. So it's really about enhancing you on a professional level because we have to teach these kids that they're no longer amateurs, they're professionals.
And it's all about how do you get there? Yeah, but I'm, yeah, I think you should be be talking to these people and that's a mass that's i mean i didn't pay you any money you know and i guess that's kind of fucked up for me not doing that but like there's only two people i'm calling before i'm going in and negotiate or final negotiations and it's you and nick con and i think he's a good one yeah exactly and so are you i mean these are the people call. I'm very lucky that I'm able to do that.
But like, there's been a couple of things where you've told me and how I should frame it in my mind, looking at it, that has been like a missing piece going into a presentation and then just obviously the boys and I have benefited from it. So it's like, I think this generation is good with learning about that shit.
Like I think. They need to.
Yeah, I think. But I think they're cool with learning about it, but I think there's a chance that if like, they would be susceptible to people that don't know what they're talking about, talking about this particular world as well.
You know, like I think anytime there's a massive amount of success to be had, there's always going to be leeches, you know, and there's a lot of leeches that have come into this NIL agency world, world and i know that you have to negotiate directly against these people so it's kind of a tough

spot for you to be in but as you're negotiating with these guys i hope you are at least informing

them on why you're saying this and how a better way of going about it maybe in the future would

be or something like that like i hope there is that because i think you're a talent in that world

in that aspect and you've been doing it a very long time well thank you i think it's really

important for me to convince the kids they got to stand up for themselves and they got to

Thank you. I think it's really important for me to convince the kids they've got to stand up for themselves and they've got to speak for themselves.
But also, I think it's really important that they understand that nobody is paying in any world, whether it's in the professional world or in college, for speculation. Everybody's paying for performance.
Past performance predicts future achievement. And so if you have an ability to play well as a freshman you're going to gradually work your way up the salary structure within a college framework but if you haven't done anything don't come knocking on my door looking for money because there's no performance it's all based on performance and you got to do it and so you're in a performance based look you wouldn't have the ram truck advertisement there if there weren't great ratings right you know it's all performance-based you know and you wouldn't be driving a beautiful ram truck i mean that's all everything is based on performance and at north carolina it's based on performance and you earn it no matter if you're a walk-on or you're a scholarship player you got to earn it life is merit-based it always will be i think and i hope even though there's some nepotism and some networking that give people good jobs and you want to talk about performance based there's a reason ram trucks all over the place it's 2500 heavy duty rebel ram yeah diesel power oh my performance through the roof just like lombo okay we're gonna pivot away from north carolina and your program talk about a lot of the nfl stuff that you would know a lot about.
Conman has a question for you. Yeah, Alombo, you brought up Mike Vrabel.
Obviously, he got hired in New England last week. Huge.
Everyone in New England's pumped. I will say, if you steal any of the coaches, he's thinking of hiring.
You're a son of a bitch, and I hate you. But with that being said, hopefully that doesn't happen.
What do you think about the hire? And how should I kind of feel about this year's expectations with mike frable at the helm because at the current moment in time i think drake may is going to win the mvp and we're going to win the super bowl well i think what you found out was everybody going to dairy queen after the game didn't work right everybody being nice and friendly and fuzzy and having a great time and now they brought in somebody who understands how to lead they brought in who can hold players accountable. And he does it from an ex-player's point of view, which is really impressive.
You know, he's got a commanding figure to him. He's a great coach.
He's smart. For the life of me, I don't understand why he sat out of last year.
I think it's a tremendous hire. I have great respect for Mike Vrabel.
I think he knows what he wants. He'll do exactly what we talked about here at North Carolina.
He's going to scout inside out. The team will be tough.
Practices will be demanding. He also knows how to work the players through it because he's done it and he speaks from a voice of authority.
I think it's really one of the best hires. I mean, for him to be out of football based on what had happened in the NFL last year in terms of the coaching is hard to believe.
I mean, look, some of these teams, Tennessee made a coaching change. They didn't get better.
New England made a coaching change. They didn't get better.
Atlanta made a coaching change. They didn't get better.
Sometimes change doesn't make you better. I thought when they let Tennessee, when Tennessee let Mike Braybill go, that was a mistake.
And I think New England benefited from it. Yeah, Braybill was able to get the Tennessee Titans at number one overall seed in the AFC with like a hundred players, 90 some players on IR, like he's obviously creates seemingly a winner whenever he is in charge.
That Tennessee Titans team speaking about him, the way Will Compton still talks about him, right? Even with who Will Compton was, which is obviously a dog. Year 10, obviously.
On. Yeah, incoming.
Especially with how he's been doing. But then Taylor LeJuan, who high-profile starting tackle, you know, so that's the entire roster there.
Basically chit-chatting about Vrabel. All the same thing.
Hard-nosed, tough guy. Obviously talks shit.
But he's an accountability-driven coach. And the way he talks.
And we're going to win. And he's a strategist.
And he's a genius when it comes to football.

Yeah, that was the biggest thing.

He was giving an interview and he talked about the percentages of teams that win when they throw over 50 times and what the percentages of teams when they win when they run the ball

30 plus times.

To your point, the strategist, football genius, people aren't really giving him credit because

there's people online saying, this guy isn't a good coach.

I don't know why people are pumped. Well, just like the MCc shit just like people said about mcdc because it's hard to get past the oh this guy's a big dumb dipshit you know like because there's been people that have been built and looked and maybe have a similar past as these two people that have certainly been like that let's not let's not uh rule out all the big dumb dipshits meatheads there have been in the past where people could potentially send prejudice onto two new meatheads that might not be big dumb dipshits that are actually you know motivational and smart and deep thinking and charming man yeah i gotta dip in but man you know wife and i'll watch a rom-com you know man i'm not worried about it so it's like i think that's where Vrabel lies, and I think the NFL and football as a whole are lucky that he's back in a big-time position.
And I think the rest of the NFL is pissed the Patriots are probably going to be back. Now, let's talk about a team that might never be back, or maybe will be.
Ty, has a question for you. Yeah, Lombo, I think one of the more interesting openings is the Raiders, and it's a team, obviously, that Bill was, you know, tied to a bunch because Brady's there.
But now reports are coming out that Ben Johnson, it seems like that is more and more likely that that's where he's going to wind up. And all last year, we were talking about, hey, Ben Johnson, he's in a perfect spot because he can kind of pick and choose here.
He's the hottest name. Their offense has been unbelievable the last two years.
And then you look at the Raiders as a whole, and they don't have a quarterback. They have holes everywhere.
Is the allure of Tom Brady being a partial owner and having hands-on in this process, is that enough to get one of these marquee guys to say, yep, whatever you need me to do, I'm going to go to Vegas because I want to coach under Tom? And do you believe Tom being around there is enough for the Raiders to turn things around rather quickly when they've been so shitty for so long? I think it's certainly a step in the right direction. I mean, you get a guy that understands what it takes to win, a former player who's achieved at the highest level of his profession, the greatest quarterback, the GOAT, and you get him in there and you sit in a meeting with him and he knows what it takes to win.
He knows what locker rooms need to have to win. And so I think if you're Ben Johnson and you're having a conversation with Tom through his agent and through all the people, I think you get a sense of comfort.
Look, I think a lot of these jobs are driven by what's the ownership behavior, right? I mean, what is the ownership behavior? And we've seen that Mark Davis has been impatient. But now we see that I think it's time for him to allow someone to come in and buffer this.
And I think ultimately that'll be a good situation. And he'll be able to find players and develop talent.
Look, whoever Ben Johnson goes to the Raiders, he's not going to be able to turn that program around in a year. But he's going to find a quarterback to help that he could turn it around and build the team inside out.
And I think Tom has a really good understanding of team building. I've spoken to Tom many times in the past about team building, about how to scout inside out.
I think Tom's going to do great. Hey, that was an incredibly smooth move of your phone, either silencing it or passing something off while giving a perfect take.
That's why you're the difference, brother. That's why you are the X factor in everything.
All day busy right now? We're very busy? No, it's, you know, every day's the same. You know, you just, you got to solve problems.
You got to put fires out and you got to find players. I mean, look, one thing about this program, it's all about consistency.
It's about doing it every single day and getting better at what you do. And that's standards for me, too.
I've got to uphold to it. If I ask the players to do it, we better make damn sure we're doing it on the fourth floor here.
Fourth floor. I love that.
UNC is going to be back, maybe. Huh? Doesn't it sound like it? The Raiders might be back, too.
Maybe. Raiders.
The NFL needs the Raiders to be good. They really do.
They're such a great fan base. They really are.
They hated you for a while. You remember that? Oh, yeah.
They always hate me. They hate me because I speak the truth to them.
They haven't won a playoff game since we lost the Super Bowl.

I mean, in 2002, I mean, they haven't won three playoff games.

They've lost every wild card.

Nobody wants to hear the truth.

But the problem has been since we lost the great Rich Gannon,

that program has really struggled.

And now they've got to get somebody.

Look, every reason why teams lose is there's not a command center. There's not somebody bringing a plan in on how we're going to win.
And it has to come from a paramilitary basis. It's got to come from a supreme commander.
I think New England just got a supreme commander, right? The Raiders have a supreme commander and Tom Brady. That's how you win.
Hell yeah. Supreme commanders.
You need one voice at the end of the day somebody has to have two votes you know because there's always going to be disagreements in my eyes now granted there's people that are going to say committees have been able to figure things out even though committees every time we hear about them they're not figuring things out i don't know if committees have ever figured something out and it'll go the way it's supposed to go but in my eyes one person having a vision is certainly a right answer now if it's wrong then we know who right yeah then we can replace person if it's right though we also know who plus alongside others so i think supreme commander is a hilarious way yeah to describe that and i will start taking it as if it's my own. But I appreciate the fact that you guys got a bunch of spring commanders down here in North Carolina.
22 years. Right, we got one.
We know where we're going. We got one.
We know where we're going, and there's going to be no confusion. And people that don't want to get on board, we'll find somewhere else.
Because here's what I do know. You know, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back.
You know, everybody's replaceable, me included. So that's the culture you want.
That's the culture that Tom will bring to the Raiders. That's the culture that New England is going to go back to with there.
There won't be people in meetings. There won't be administrators coming down.
You know, they've made changes already to benefit Mike Brable in New England that were prohibiting them from being successful because they wanted to try what I call that Dairy Queen method. Like, we're all going to sing Kumbaya and go get ice cream.
Yeah, we all got it right. We did good here.
Chuck wanted to ask you a quick question on that particular. As far as the GM search goes there at the Raiders, that's open as well.
Have you heard anything like if Ben Johnson is the guy that they're targeting? They're pairing these guys up now, coming into a building. So they get two guys that are going to work together, be collaborative, all that stuff, get along.
Any word on that? I know that they're talking through a host of people, but I do think Tom understands more than anything, there has to be symmetry between the two. They don't have to get along, right? What they have to do is share the same vision.
And I think the best thing you can have is a debate. I mean, look, Jim Harbaugh goes out to the Chargers.
He hires someone that he's very comfortable with that will debate him and force him to think differently about players. It doesn't mean we're all going to get along, but we share the same philosophy.
We know exactly what we want in every player. We know how we're going to build this team inside out, and no one's going to argue about it, right? No one's going to argue that the Chargers take an offensive lineman when somebody in the back of the room thinks we should take a receiver because everybody's in tune to the philosophy that Harbaugh set.
See, that's the key, and if you're Ben Johnson, you come in there with a philosophy. Here's what I want to do offensively, defensively, the kicking game.
And it's the job of the personnel guy to work within the framework of that and sell that to the people who are doing all the scouting. That's how you get alignment.
All this crap about being on the same page, it goes out the window as soon as you lose the game. But to create true alignment, you've got to get the leaders have to preach everything that you want to do.
It's the first thing we did here. What's our recruiting message? We got to get that to people so the kids know exactly.
Hey, if you don't want it, no problem. You know, I say this all the time to kids.
Yes is good. No is good.
Maybe stinks. I hate maybe.
Maybe I'm interested. Maybe I'm not.
No, I'm moving on. When you tell me you're maybe, we're going to the next kid.
Right? No, I can deal with maybe I can't. Man, I'm excited to see if this works.
Legitimately. Just because everything we're hearing about this current process is like very different than that.
But the allure of like, hey, this is a professional football academy pretty much is what you're going to. And if you don't end up in the NFL, you are going to end up a great business person you're going to end up a great whatever because this is like a like so i think you're going to find your people like i think you're going to find your people i'm excited to see how quickly that all happens once again you win it's an easy yep that's an easy sell which you guys have always done now let's talk about supreme commanders one that has been in charge for a long time and also has some acting chops tone has a Question for you.
Now, let's talk about Supreme Commanders, one that has been in charge for a long time

and also has some acting chops.

Tone has a question for you.

Yeah, we're talking about Supreme Commander Jerry Jones

of the Dallas Cowboys.

I just wanted to get your whole situation on Jerry

and how he's handled not allowing Big Mike to interview with the Bears

and then allowing Big Mike to leave, not getting a contract done,

which in return you don't get to talk to any of the coordinators of the teams in the divisional round. And now they're bringing in Kellen Moore and Jason Witten and Deion Sanders potentially.
What's your thoughts on what's going on in Dallas altogether? Well, I think, look, you have to buy into what Jerry wants to do. I think when you watch the Landman episode where Jerry probably had a Golden Globe performance, you know, it was tremendous.
And we wrote about it for the Daily. It was just really good.
It almost brought you to tears the way he did it. One take! One take we've learned.
One take? I didn't know that. Unbelievable.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, what I thought it really did for me is knowing the Cowboys for as long as I have.

It really clarified a lot of things. And it made me understand what he was trying to do to be around his kids.

And I think when you go down there and accept that job, it's your job to figure out how to make it work under those parameters.

Right. Because those parameters are non-negotiables in Jerry's world.

I think it's very challenging because the players know they work for Jerry.

I agree. under those parameters, right? Because those parameters are non-negotiables in Jerry's world.
I think it's very challenging because the players know they work for Jerry. I think that's the hardest part.
And so they've got to find a way to bridge that a little bit. But what they need down there is they need somebody to get a uniform like they had with Parcells.
And look, Mike did a really good job down there. I mean, Mike, what? He won a lot of games.
Unfortunately, he couldn't win a playoff game. So they've got to ask themselves, how do we get over the hump? But I think I was surprised he didn't hire Mike back because I felt like at 82 years old, he has a hard time wanting change.
I think it'll be interesting what he tries to do moving forward. But I do think they need somebody who's going to be able to talk to Jerry in a way to where it allows the coach to get the things he needs to get done within the framework of what Jerry wants to do.
Beginning of the show yesterday, I thought there was no chance Prime was going to be a head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. By hour two, I was about 50-50.
By the end of the show, I was like, Deion Sanders is going to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. That is me doing a daily sports show.
So having to talk about all of it so often, yada, yada, yada, and hearing all angles and all different sides, having multiple different opinions literally day to day as new information is presented to us. It's like Prime would be the guy that you would think would be able to talk to Jerry, right? Because the amount of respect that they have, hopefully for especially if they were able to do it so maybe he'd be able to navigate those waters a little bit better and same with jason whitten like maybe that's why these two are allegedly being targeted so hard and allegedly jane slater i do believe was reporting that jerry jones is viewing this as a solo supreme commander mission to hire the next head coach that's fascinating especially with that landman uh scene where one and done improv so good even a little punch joke over there spry chicken you talking to you don't don't let me put my rubber glove on the next time i come in here you know i love that he tagged that on the way out the door too it was all done really well it was perfect i look i, you know, a lot of this will depend on the staff who he wants to bring in.
But I do think Stephen Jones is the voice of reason within that building. And I think he has tremendous influence on his father.
I do believe that. I don't think Jerry will make this decision without Stephen and Jerry Jr.
at least and Charlotte contributing because they've laid that all out. So I think that part of that job is you've got to get along with the family.
Yeah, definitely. So you've got to get along with the family.
Anytime you're going into a family business, you're going to have to understand that you're operating in a different set of rules. You're an outsider coming in there.
And if you're already part of the family, it might be easier to get the job done. We appreciate the hell out of you.
Good luck down there, brother. Love it, guys.

Love it, guys.

Enjoy the games this weekend.

Yeah, we got like 20 seconds.

Any leans?

Any leans on any of those?

Are you not paying attention?

Look, I think that Buffalo 2-3, that's the hardest seeding right there.

I think to me, weather's going to be a factor.

I love Baltimore all year.

Their defense has really improved.

Zach Gore from the start of the year to the middle has been tremendous. Look, Detroit's so good, but then when you break down Washington's numbers, they're good on third down.
They make explosive plays. Detroit's won 28th in the league in explosive plays allowing.
Detroit's got to control the pace of that game. I think that's really important.
We'll see you next hour. Thanks, Lobo.
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Let's get them over with. Football is the greatest, and we're so lucky that we get to talk about it every single day.
I'm not alone, obviously. The Talks of Table is here at Boston Corner and at Ty Schmidt.
How you doing, Ty? Doing great. Doing absolutely great.
Hey, listen, national championships right around the corner. It's Monday night.
I know. It's crazy.
Divisional rounds coming up. This weekend, too.
So, feeling great, but also kind of creeping into the back of your mind. It's crazy that the season has fallen by this fast.
Okay, yeah,, yeah, yeah. We still got a lot of time.
We still got a month plus here, so we're good. Somebody said to me last night on a call, I'll see you down at the Super Bowl, right? Or was that yesterday with Keith Castro? That's what it was.
Yeah, it was Keith. I'll see you down at the Super Bowl.
Yeah, certainly. In my head, he's like a few weeks.
Three, four months. A few weeks.
It's less than a month for sure. Oh, my God.
36 years in football. 18 in college, 18 in the NFL.
Coach Pagano is here. Coach.
Flew by. A few weeks.
That's awesome. Freaking flew by.
We only have eight games off. It's crazy.
There you go. Oh, mama, I'm in fear for my life.
I'm the law. I'm of the law.
When the season ends, we talk about sports we don't know, but we love ball. It's coming up.
More sports get their time to shine. That's right.
Started with one, counting down to allow four or five different sports to get a chance to shine in a matter of a few weeks. Can't wait for it.
Oh, that NHL season's going to be fantastic. It's hot.
Because people forget hockey is awesome. That's right.
Going closely. And then you want to talk about lacrosse? Did you see the box lacrosse league the other day? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Bomb.
Knockout. Yeah, dude! Mitt knocked a guy out in the middle of a lacrosse game the other day oh yeah oh yeah bomb knockout yeah dude mitt knocked the guy out in the middle of a lacrosse game the other night i can't wait to follow that and have you seen uh the association they're saying not a lot of people watching the association i'm gonna tell you if they start having nights like they had last night on a regular basis more people are going to be watching.
It was poster night in the NBA Chris get the rock hi normally they're doing milk check over there instead of you hi that was awesome that wasn't the only one though last night was filled with it how about Zach 80 7 foot 4 over 7 Wemby! That's in the first quarter.

You're going to get back?

The Battle of the Giants, two 7-footers battling underneath.

One from Canada, one from France.

The NBA down in San Antone has a couple Giants.

Well, let's see, Wemby, what do you do when you get back?

Ah!

Didn't even jump.

Blocked the 7'4 guy at the rim.

This is all last night.

This is one night.

And then in this game, the biggest highlight of the night, the one that you've certainly seen, which didn't even count. Ha-hoo! God, jaw.
I mean, that is... Ha-hoo! And then I saw some people on the internet that have never played a sport in their life say, yeah, it's not a dunk.
He didn't even tell you. He just threw it in.
it in yeah yeah even more impressive like people acting like because his hand didn't rattle the rim or the backboard that it's not as impressive as being so high okay over a seven foot three yep anomaly he has the alien logo as his logo because they don't make him had eight blocks in the first half last night. He's already being considered the greatest defender of all time, standing at the rim.
How tall is Ja? Six foot? Two, three. Whatever the case, anybody could get it.
That's why whenever he was starting out down there in Memphis, it was a rise to superstardom. He was on commercials.
He was the guy. Anybody could get it.
He actually once said, I'm not going to talk anymore. A little bit too dangerous.
Yeah. Well, Joe, I'm happy you're taking to the skies again because this didn't even count.
And I think it helped out the NBA immensely. Cock back.
So high in the sky that he could just throw it into the hoop. People act like that isn't impressive.
Get the hell out of here. These Giants battling was certainly worth a watch last night.
The clips. Like we all did.
Right. I was just scrolling.
Holy shit. Holy shit.
Holy shit. And then a holy shite.
When Braun went bananas. But these two battling it out.
Shout out to Purdue. Zach Eady.
Obviously, we saw him at a couple different events. He had one of those big-ass hats on.
Looked average. Looked like a normal hat on him.
So congrats to him pulling that off. And then Wemby.
And obviously, the points per game are a little bit different. Rebounds per game is a little bit different.
Blocks per game, a little bit different. Eady is a rookie.
He's also on a Memphis Grizzlies team that might be able to do some damage. Yeah damage yeah they're going a little bit that would set the record for most blocks per game in a single season in the history of basketball eight in the first half last night in blocks crazy you know triple doubles are normally like uh points boards and assists this dude blocks 10 a game like very it's like a thing he just it just kind of happens because he just does this number here and he's above the rim you know i played volleyball in high school great sport great sport and uh actually had some colleges looking at me to play college volleyball which is a pretty cool thing and i was an outside hitter okay so i would jump up you know bow and arrow that thing and i'm going down with it all right so that was kind of my role i was able to play in the back row but i back row as well.
You know, I'm doing the entire thing. And I didn't know volleyball well enough.
I only played like one year. So whenever the, at that point, I had already committed to West Virginia to kick footballs and already told like soccer schools, I'm not going to be playing soccer because I'm going to go kick football.
So volleyball was in the spring. Didn't play soccer that spring because I was already going to go kick.
So, you know, kind of that whole thing. Play volleyball.
So at the end of the season, I had a pretty good year. Great team, great group of dudes.
A lot of soccer guys on that team. We had so much fun.
I learned the sport kind of as we were going through. My favorite sport that I played in high school just because of the environment.
So we were filling up gymnasiums for these games. I mean, it was awesome.
It was a good time. I think we were in an entertaining team.
If I had to guess, I think people would say, you know, that plump team, pretty entertaining to watch. A lot of moxie on our team.
A lot of moxie on our team. Tone did not play.
No, baseball guy. Tone got in a fight, actually, alongside CFO Phil and many others in the crowd, because we did bring other teams' crowds out, too, because of potential things that were being said.
I mean, we had... It was electrifying.
It was my favorite sport that I played in there, but at the end, I had a couple schools that wanted to talk to me or whatever. And I don't know shit about volleyball.

So I sit down and we're chit-chatting.

And they're like, we're thinking you could be a libero for us with how athletic you are and your ability in the back row.

We think you'll be able to figure it out.

Libero is a constant back row.

They wear the different jersey.

And you're just getting...

I mean, it's...

Eating it.

It is not fun.

I mean, those balls are going 100 miles.

And you're getting bang, bang.

It is not fun.

On the flip side, you hitting those things into these people, and the thud that happens, and the ball goes flying off. Awesome feeling.
I mean, it is awesome. I was like, I'm an outside hitter.
I'm an outside hitter. And I believe the one coach told me, we have a six foot nine guy from Lithuania who is our outside hitter.
And we'll be playing a guy who's six foot seven from somewhere else so are you going to go over that guy because he just raises his hands like this and he's able to block you it's like wemby if he was to play volleyball man if he was there he would literally just be able to do the windshield like being built like that being that athletic and then them preparing him to remain healthy with like the little muscle exercises in his feet and his ankles because they did a study on where tall people normally end up falling apart at because when you're that big, your joints just kind of get beat to hell. Them since high school, I think, have been trying to build up said muscles and said joints so that he can last.
And it's like what he's able to do and shoot and block and wiggle and it's like he's special he is a special talent to watch yeah he's an alien now but 10 years from now there there's probably going to be a couple of them bingo i mean even thinking about cooper fly like cooper fly 6 10 kevin durant i mean kevin durant kind of started this i don't want to say started this but when kevin durant was at texas and then when he gets to the nba they didn't think he was going to work in the nba because he was too thin remember this guy's too thin he's too thin he's

too thin and then he goes and starts doing his shit it's like oh we got a seven footer sorry

six foot elevener that doesn't want to be called seven foot that's how different the game is

he was six foot eleven guy who was able to wiggle and shoot and everything it's like now that's just

kind of the it's like a thing yeah there's another guy i think who's 16 now overseas who is

on the same kind of trajectory where he's doing all the shit and he's also like seven feet what's the kid at img seven for what he's at florida yeah florida yeah what is he uh he's seven nine he is out for the season with a foot injury yeah which that is the hard thing about giants yeah it is hard for their body to be able to keep up with their size feels like they've been preparing wemby for this moment. It's been fun to watch.
Not a lot of people watching, though, I guess. But we'll get into it in just a few weeks when we're at Super Bowl.
Just a few weeks. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man who's a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner, currently in a base or an attic in Ohio.
Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk. AJ, did you see the high last night? I'll tell you what.
Are people really saying Ja didn't dunk that ball? I understand he didn't touch the rev technically with his hand, but I mean, the fact that he even challenged him and he went up there for that was awesome. So those tweets actually happening.
Close your eyes. Imagine what the person looks like that tweeted it.
Yes, you are right. I did some research.
You are 100% exactly what you thought it was.

I mean, if Ja was to play any sport, obviously, he would be successful.

But I love that he's playing.

I like that he's back.

And it feels like he had to take some hard lessons earlier in his career.

He had a little problem with those Instagram Lives.

Every time they came on, he's like, where's my – every single time.

I could never let one Instagram Live fly.

Every single time we're live on – where? Let me find it. Is there one around? I can smell it.
Keep it going. Got it right here.
All right, show it real quick. Boom! That was literally what it felt like.
It was. And we're all like, Jesus Christ, man.
Just come on, dude. You know, like you were so much fun.
Had to learn. He was young.
Very, very young. I assume he had to learn a lot of lessons quickly about life.
Now he's all the way back, and it's like, let's go. Let's keep doing that.
I think the NBA certainly needs it. Yeah, much better with him than without.
Yeah, the NBA, though, is, I guess somebody's. People are mad they're shooting so many threes.
Is that the thing? Well, no one cares because look at the teams at the at the top. Everyone hates the Celtics, of course, but Cleveland, not the biggest market.
Oklahoma City, also not the biggest market. And then the superstars, the oldest ones, are kind of on their way out.
So it's one of those things where that whole conversation last year during the playoffs, like who's the face of the league? All the potential faces of the league aren't the most liked people in the league. i think they never tried to be liked by anybody yeah these nba guys they never try to be and i say that is not that they're not affable people but they never do any interview like you never heard any of these guys talk outside of just nba media you know we never really you don't see them on show like i don't think i know much about a lot of these guys that i'm a massive fan of.
Now, granted, I think, you know, all the smoke coming around in the NBA, getting like podcasts. I think that has helped.
But I think whenever you think about just from a national 30,000 foot perspective, I don't think anybody knows much about a lot of these guys other than just them playing basketball. And then also when those type of people hear, oh, they're arresting their bodies.
Back in my day, it's like don't know anything about them, so can't really like them personally. Hear that they have a poor work ethic, even though nowadays these guys are bigger, stronger, faster, going on, like, everything like that.
So I think there's a little bit of a combo on why maybe people aren't paying attention as much, but I think it's definitely gettable. I think you can get back, especially with the dudes that we've met.
Like Halliburton, I fucking love him. He's the best.
He's pretty rare, though. rare though.
Kevin Durant. I love Kevin Durant.
But nobody really knows much about him until he starts doing up in Adams with K Adams. And then that's whenever clips start kind of getting out.
But I think that's part of the thing too is those guys really don't, they don't have to do that stuff because they're making so much money. And if you're balling out on the court, like you're going to get a shoe deal.
You'll probably get like a, you know, Gatorade or Powerade or whatever. Like they really don't have to do all that other outside stuff unless they really want to.
I think another one of the issues, we showed the Christian Braun dunk. That's an awesome highlight.
That was unbelievable. Great posterization.
But, I mean, look at the score. It's not a competitive game at all.
So it's like, if that's what you're watching it for, yeah, you're going to get plays like that. You're going to get some sweet dunks and everything.
But it kind of goes back to everything else we're talking about. It's like, these games aren't competitive.
It's like one team is much better than the other team, and it kind of just stays that way. And the other team might tap out, too, because they know they're going to game tomorrow.
If we're going to get killed tonight, why waste any energy? It's certainly a thing. As Chuck drops his bottle, let's pivot away from his Mike Pack.
This guy literally can't hear anything right now. Sorry, boys.
don't worry about it. He's got his old asshole.
He doesn't even know that. You're such a dipshit, man.
Absolute buffoon. It's crazy.
Can you hear me? No. There he is.
New York and Philly was a hell of a game. Yeah, you're right.
Brunson, 38. Ooh, Josh Hart, I think, went bananas as well.
Triple bubble. Yeah, how about it? Okay, all right, let's pivot away from the off-season sports and talk about the current sport that is happening.
Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a four-time NFL MVP. He is a quarterback for the Jets right now.
What does the future hold? I don't know if any of us know. We will certainly ask, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, all-time great, future first ballot Hall of Famer, Aaron Rodgers.
How you doing, brother? What an honor to be on the PMS on Thursday with the legend, Coach Pagano. That means a lot because you know how I feel about you and the respect that I have for you.
I got a beautiful question for you today. Yes, please do.
Yeah, go ahead. So I was contemplating retirement, Aaron, in 2020.
You know, my last two seasons that I coached were in Chicago, a place you owned and made everybody know that. Landly.
Several occasions. Landly.
But there was a game. We enjoyed your short visit there.
Okay. That's what I'm talking about, okay? Sarcasm's easy, Aaron.
Sarcasm's easy. So, last game of the season, 2020, COVID year, right? You guys are down at our place.
Second quarter, we're up 10-7. I'm only asking you because you're the only one that's got a brain to remember every single play, let alone like the ones that you figured out what the hell we were going to do before we did it.
And, you know, the rest is history. And I'm still apologizing to the linebacker who I put in like the worst position you could put a guy in.
But it was third and four. Eight minutes and 40 seconds to go in the second quarter.
And I'm trying to figure out, okay, what do we do with this? You guys are in empty. Two by three.
You had two guys to the left, three to the right. Lazard was at number three, inside receiver to the trip side.
17 was to your left. And right before, and the play clock's under five seconds.
And so you signaled out to 17-something, because I think you already identified that. Okay, 20, Duke Shelley.
You remember Duke Shelley. Duke Shelley's coming off this side.
Robert Quinn got lined up late over on this side. So why'd you have to do it? I was contemplating retirement, but that kind of sealed it.
That play right there. Ended a 36-year career.
I almost got a linebacker fired for the position that I put him in. Do you remember the play? I do remember the play.
So what was it? What did you figure out? Was this a Chuck Pagano tendency or did they give it away too much? Here it is, right here. This is literally, is this the play? No.
Second. That was not the play? Well, that's the play.
Yeah, that's it. I can't see.
72 yards later later we're up 10-7 we got hope we got life you remember this yeah of course yes what tipped it off what had what could i have done different is what chuck's saying i think sometimes an empty you just got to get those guys up on the line because then you really have to make protection adjustment. You don't feel like you can beat it with the ball.
If you run back the clip, I felt like in the situation, even if Duke came off the slot, I believe I took a three and no hitch to throw this year. No, free runner.
I took a tight hitch, yeah. I mean, he's, you know, i think we'd seen something on film you guys had done something similar and i i remembered kind of in the back of my mind saying if i have speed at three on this vertical you know in this situation we're an empty and they bring the slot i can probably retreat and lob it up down the field it just so happened we had our fastest guy at three there in marquez um you know part of it is is when the defense really can can all work together now it wasn't just necessarily of shelly doing that but you know in third and four in that situation we're on what the 30 yard line or whatever the safety is playing a little too aggressive i think down there on number two he can probably play a little high to low from three to two there based on the timing.
You know what I mean? Because he knows just in case somebody calls.

I don't think they are. They see this.
Well, Chuck, as you know, and I know you watch a lot of ball, like the best defenses, you know, that run the, the, the, the protection, uh, the

pressures that didn't get up, going to get after your protection is when they, the vision knows and understands what time the ball has to come out so those guys can play first movement i feel like in this situation the safety was too was too quick to play like the our number two to the three receiver side stopping instead of just playing high to low there um you know giving your linebacker a little bit of help now if shelley's on the line of scrimmage and it's like, oh, fuck it,

you know, he's coming, then, you know,

you have to make the correct protection call there to even have a chance.

But because he's still coming from the slot and trying to super disguise,

which is great, as long as everybody's working together,

gave me a little bit of opportunity to throw it down the field.

Yeah, because Devontae looked, but you knew you had time. That guy was coming from Michigan.
I mean, you didn't get him up on the line. You could have done me a favor.
Devontae looked, just dumping it to him. But, no, we had to go over the top.
Good call. Yeah.
I apologize. No, it's all good.
It's all good. I feel like that player, I've always respected you.

And you guys got us back in 2012, if you remember.

We were beating the hell out of you guys at halftime, I think, 21-3.

You guys came back and beat us there.

Andrew had a great game.

That was my – I was in the hospital.

That was my first game I missed.

That's Chuck Strong game.

But that was the Chuck Strong game.

Yeah, that was your team, though.

Yeah.

That was your team.

We're all wearing the shirts in pregame.

Oh, so you let them win.

Thank you. in my mouth.
That's Chuck Strong game. But that was the Chuck Strong game.
That was your team though. That was your team.
We're all wearing the shirts in pregame. Oh, so you let them win.
Yeah, I appreciate you doing that. This Saturday.
I didn't actually realize it was for Pagano. I thought it might have been Chuck Norris, and I'm a big Chuck Norris fan.
I was thinking, is this Chuck Norris? What are we doing here? And somebody told me, no, this was Chuck Pagano. I said, oh, okay, oh okay okay cool reggie came out the orange gloves i believe uh did the entire i mean it was that was a magical day in the history that was a that was an energetic i remember just how special that day was it had to be for you chuck because the over overwhelming overwhelming support and love that was was born out there was pretty cool very humble to watch now i still wish we'd we'd beat the hell out of you guys but yeah of course of course would have been cool to go in there on chuck strong night and be a little stronger we get it you know and chuck would end up beating leukemia and return in that season which was awesome and uh you're a legend everybody that's ever played for you feels the exact same way we love you now you don't only you don't only retired him you've retired a lot of people i assume throughout your career at different positions let's talk about you and your retirement potentially hearing you talk about that football right there and chit chat about the move and what you see and what you like and i think you've told us before like you're such a competitor the only place that you really feel like you can scratch the itch of competition on a full-time basis is amongst the best which is in the nfl how much have you had to think and contemplate about your future? How much pressure is being put on you to think about that decision? And how are you managing that with everything that's going on back in Southern California legitimately? Like, how are you as a person? And how are you thinking about everything professionally? Because I assume there's a decision that has to be made.
Well, the season is not technically over. You know, I always feel like the season's over once the Super Bowl's over.
And then kind of everything resets. Everybody's zero and zero again, and there's a chance for everybody to reset.
Now, there's obviously moving pieces in New York. There's been a number of job interviews for GM and for head coach.
There's even more names being released every day that the team is looking at. But I've had limited communication with them.
You know, I've been dealing with trying to protect my house over here. My house is fine.
I'm not in the areas that have been affected. But it's been a weird, you know, weird time for so many, you know, people that live down here, friends of mine that lost houses.
A number of friends in in palisades lost their homes a number of friends in pasadena affected and uh friends around runyon canyon it's been you know it's been a tough time uh for sure um you know a lot of the uh a lot of the you know kind of attention has gone to so many celebrities who lost their houses there's you know some affluent areas in both palisades and some of those areas in Malibu that got they got affected but there's a lot of other people that just your you know average great Southern California folks who who lost everything as well and it's gonna be tough to rebuild you know anybody who's ever tried to build a freaking structure in Southern California knows how ridiculous the you know just you know, just trying to get a freaking permit to, to build anything is maybe there'll be some common sense politics that makes things easier for people to rebuild. But you're talking about a multi-year comeback for some, so many of these areas, it's going to be really tough for people.
So it's been a tough time. There's been loss of life.
There's obviously been a lot of structures that have been burned down. You know, I think really the disheartening thing besides, obviously, the loss of homes, because it's more just a house, right? It's a home where there's memories and years.
You're talking about elderly people who've been there for 40, 50 years on the beach or in Palisades or in Altadena or whatever these areas are. But it's the arson.
You know, there's a ton of arson. We already know there's a ton of arson in LA in general.
It's one of those kind of things that people don't like talking about in Southern California because of all the money that goes to various initiatives. And I'm not even going to mention it just because it's kind of a hot button.
But there's a lot of arson, and people have been caught doing it. People have been caught walking around blow torches and different shit which is crazy and it's it's inhumane is what it is and it's sickening and then the looting that's gone on people impersonating firefighters people starting fires and to loot the same areas there's a lot of like things that really make you question humanity in general and it's a it's a bad look because people have lost their lives people have lost their houses their homes their memories everything their pets and then you have people who are legitimately starting fires in in areas the running canyon fire that was a there was an arson there was a fire that was actually started real close to my house that was arson that thankfully got put away really quick so that's that's the the shitty part all this.
The beautiful part is the way that so many people have come together and have gotten meals together and supplies together for these incredible men and women fighting these fires. The people who are flying these planes, I saw this incredible video probably about a week ago, the fucking most beautiful drop from a plane that absolutely doused this fire.
There's a lot of, you know, really talented people who've been working on this, putting in crazy freaking hours. So my heart and my hat is tipped to the incredible men and women who are putting in crazy hours, not just from Southern California, but the people that came down from Northern California and other states and supplies have been given in for those people.
been amazing so it's been a tough time for Southern California we have to see we had some bad fires you know six seven years ago I believe there was a really bad fire in Northern California has seen you know some really rough rough ones with Paradise Reading Santa Rosa areas especially so it's been you know I'm not even gonna get into you know the frustrations just because that's a whole nother rabbit hole around some of the leadership stuff but uh yeah it's been a tough time for everybody involved yeah and i'm sorry that you and everybody has had to go through it obviously i mean listen you literally luck out you literally luck out in this and that's obviously we have friends that also live in southern california and it's just like whether or not you're lucky it's almost like it wasn't it wasn't picking and choosing it was just sporadic wind 100 mile an hour winds or something just picking one up get and missing a home somehow and then a patch of homes somehow gets saved amongst all the rubble and then there's like survivor's remorse happening so it's like there's nothing good happening in any of this and uh i want to let you know and and obviously i hope you've heard the the calls from everybody we're all letting you know that we think what you were going through absolutely sucks and it is so devastating and so sad and horrific and the stories about the arsons obviously there's always going to be assholes that walk amongst us and hopefully there comes a time where we're handle everything and it doesn't happen. But the heroes that are sprinting in there are also walking amongst us that we're not really reminded of until something like this happens.
So, like, obviously, thanks to them, to hell with the assholes trying to prey on the situation, and to everybody that is dealing with it. We are so, so sorry.
That is literally, I think, all we can say from over here. And hopefully going forward, there's some measures that are taken so we don't have to experience this again and uh i don't want to like pivot away from that because of how real and serious that all is that you're going through but like you the decision about the season ending super bowl not hearing from the jets i assume has this perspective changed as has this thing changed the perspective for you about your life and how fragile and how quick everything can kind of go? And has that changed it? Like, is there any life perspective things happening? I know that you're a pretty deep thinker, especially around these moments, this type of situation change anything for you? Listen, I've sat in a hole in the ground in Nowheresville, Oregon, and I've sat in numerous ayahuasca ceremony circles.
So I've done a lot of contemplating in my time and gotten some good perspective adjustments over the years. This is nothing that changes my perspective other than it's heartbreaking because so many times when there's, I think we can all relate to this reality, so many times where there are issues you know whether it's what happened in north carolina or the what seems like yearly uh devastating hurricanes that happen or when a bad tornado goes through or you know whatever the the natural disasters or unnatural disasters that happen so many times that is that out of mind and your heart goes out to those people but you don't really have like a connection so many of us that specific occurrence or event but it's different here you know I literally flew in no power which again my my blight is much less than anybody else has gone through but I just I'm just telling you what happened and I flew in there's no power I drive over the hill the next day um uh and I call uh I called Miles I was like well the first thing I did I was checking on because I heard Palisades and uh and and obviously you know we all know uh Miles Teller we're either fans or you know personally I've known Miles for 17 18 years love Miles love him and his wife Kelly they're incredible people and and called them and he's like yeah we lost everything so like that was the first literally within 24 hours of landing the first and with no power he's like the first person i called was just to check on him um and that's when it really hit home like this is you know this is legitimate they they didn't have a chance they had a you know short amount of time they got everything they could they got bugsy and and uh and with little they could they could fill in their car and got out so that's the reality but the reality is there's thousands of people like that who've been dealing with that got displaced lost everything and like you said there's some people that somehow you know won the lottery and their house got missed um but uh you're talking about a crazy rebuild that's going to take years because it would take years anywhere, but it's LA with terrible, you know, just, I'm not even going to end to it just because it's so ridiculous.
Just, I mean, you could go on a small, you know, diatribe about the lack of leadership for so long. But as far as my own decision, you know, I told them I'm going to take some time.
They haven't even made a decision on a GM or a coach yet. Once that happens, then that'll take us to the next step, which is conversation.
I'm assuming with whoever that individual is. And then, you know, but this is a time where I'm taking time for my body and, you know, my mind to clear things.
Obviously, it's know all that's going on in LA and again there's been incredible incredible work done by the all the fire firefighters out here in departments and things are actually looking up which is which is great so big shout out to all the men and women working so hard for us to save so many lives and all the heroes, although you know, the non professional firefighters, there's a ton of heroes out there who bought their own supplies and save their houses and neighbors houses and the stories are starting to leak out is pretty fucking incredible. Yeah.
A lot of a lot of heroes in this and a lot of villains and those villains should be prosecuted uh to the highest degree of the law okay and hopefully that will take place uh before we move into the next step of the conversation we'd like to tell miles and kelly and bugsy we are happy you're okay sucks that that happens bad in a bad bad way uh but i feel like being around miles even in this negative devastating thing he's gonna bring the juice oh yeah that guy's awesome still bringing it he is awesome the man i hated him at the beginning you did hated him yeah i thought he threw me under the bus for no reason okay i didn't create the story all right so what are you coming after me for you need to go after somebody else did not like him and you kind of ran with the story without knowing the whole truth i didn't report it and i didn't know the guy and it was a great it was a great certainly i did not report it though a legitimate place in his world reported it tmz i believe was the person he got jumped he got jumped by a psycho i heard he lost the fight so in the moment you know and i heard there was an entire situation going on over there so we just talked about it how it was reported and i didn't know miles and then all of a sudden i drop it into a wwe show this guy just got punched in the face like he's miles teller i thought it was a great like i thought it was great but of top happened earlier in the day. This is, I didn't make up this story.
It was being reported. Didn't know Miles.
Thought that's what happened. And then all of a sudden Miles responds.
Cool segue, dude. Did the whole thing.
I got jumped, almost died and robbed. And it's like, I'm like, okay, so you, so then all the tabloids around the world were like, Miles Teller dunks on Pat McAfee who tries to make a mockery of the situation.
So I'm getting murdered again in different languages, just like we have done in the past together. And I'm like, fuck this guy.
You didn't have to come back. I didn't create the story.
I'm just talking about things that are already in our lexicon and being reported as such. Hey, good word.
Thank you. Nice.
Thank you so much. Word.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
I sent a few of them in there. And whenever i i talked to miles for the first time and we kind of chat and we golfed together it was like oh this is good dude and he probably probably thought that we were potentially friends at the time so me bear you thought you guys might be thrown down a little bit i was ready to yeah i was completely ready to at the ufc fight we ran into each other and uh i had a neck brace on because Baron Corbin had just given me the end of days on the outside.
I was with Nick Khan, Triple H, the McMahon family. We go to this UFC fight.
We show up for Stylebender coming in with the Undertaker theme. And, you know, Chris Pratt's two doors down.
We had just talked about his performance in Jurassic Park. Yeah, you didn't know him at the time either.
Jurassic World did not know him. I not know any of chris pratt's work other than jurassic world and i certainly had my opinions on that entire thing he did not love and then right next to him is miles and kelly and i was like all right on the way i'm actually telling triple h on the way out of here like hey there might be some on the way out of here and he's like what do you mean i'm like there might be some on the way out of here he goes all right i'll break it up if you start losing i'm like all right thank you that's a hilarious i have a neck brace on i have a neck brace on i'm in a tank top you know so i walk by and miles goes hey can we talk for a second i go absolutely you know and then here's triple h if you look at the photos triple h is like watching the whole thing i think he's like holy like this is actually gonna go kelly kelly starts yelling at me because i go i don't know what your problem is to miles was that what i said to him and she goes don't talk to him like that i didn't know who she was i had no idea i said i will not be talking to you okay at this moment so please so very like matter of fact wow i didn't realize this is how i went oh yeah she because she like started yelling at me and i once again now that i know him mad respect for her also being like you put like i appreciated it hindsight appreciate it in the moment was ready all right here we go i'm fighting miles teller in this entire thing but then we had a quick he's cut he's a big dude though i would have been yeah two plates would have been doing a quick easy haul yeah oh yeah yeah yeah know, the guy's got a neck brace on.
If they would have been attacking a guy with a neck brace. Sure.
I mean, the scene. That was a good setup for you, though, to put that on right before that.
Yeah, there I am. Just to get a little bit of.
Here's the photo. That's literally what I look like walking in and out of there.
I mean, you've got to be absolutely kidding me. It was fun.
It was an honor. But that was our first interaction.
Seemed like a good dude. Then we talked again later.
Then we got to we got to hang out and i was like man i was completely wrong about this guy i apologize miles tover that is 100 on me and i think the reason why he corrected us as opposed to the main story is because i think he thought we were like like fret like same group simpatico yeah you know like we all know the same people so he was like most disappointed with me as opposed to i'm like i'm so sorry so i love miles and kelly i've never met bugsy bugsy's a dog a cat dog okay you know i don't i'm asking is it a dog cat hamster it's it's a you know a service animal okay so what uh shout out to buggy i've never met dogsy i love buggy as well and uh to the j thanks for chiming in finally thank you for chiming in there yeah to the teller family we do apologize uh that you're going through this we love you guys we love we love you guys and if anybody need like if anybody set anything up over there we would love to help you we absolutely can. Go ahead, AJ.
I think Miles might need some shirts, you know, some black shirts, black tanks. You know, maybe send those over.
Oh, yeah. Listen, if he was to wear one of those, how about him dancing? Oh, my God.
Yeah. That's the best.
He's a good dancer. So talented.
And then we were, somebody was talking. He's terrible at driving, terrible at driving golf carts under ropes.
But a good dancer. Oh, we got a, we got one of these.
We're taking the top off at the red light. No, he snapped my driver underneath the rope.
Two years ago. Two years ago on the Wednesday before Tahoe.
Yeah. All right.
All right, age. What's your question? Hold on.
Hold on. We got to talk more about it because he's a talent.
This guy is a super talent.

I didn't watch any of his movies growing up either, so that's 100% on me.

I didn't know who he was.

But we were with somebody who was talking shit on him about his drama. Have you seen that awkward moment?

So good.

No, definitely not.

Classic.

Great movie.

Him, Efron, Michael B. Jordan.

A couple of single guys in New York.

Zach Efron, there's a whole other situation that I fucking just walked myself right into.

God, you must have tore this town down last night. I've been sober for about six, seven months now.
All right, Jesus Christ. Nice to meet you, man.
I am so, you know, I didn't know anything. So that's, it's pure ignorance on my side.
I think everybody knows that. So that is very kind to them.
I'm in my world. I'm in my world.
Football's my world. And anytime I get a chance, get out there, and wrestling, and anytime I get out of there, I just try not to embarrass the program.
I certainly have, though, and we're going to try to get better. Miles, thank you for answering whenever that dipshit was trying to talk shit.
He did that drum solo in Whiplash. That's him.
He did. Everybody thinks that it was a hand replacement.
I'm telling you, he's one of the most talented guys I've ever seen.

Off the golf course.

Yeah, he's not a great golfer.

Neither am I, though.

Everything else, though.

Off.

Everything else.

That was right after.

I mean, are you talking about like bar games and bags, darts, washers?

Yeah. He's good.
Clip cup. Yeah.
Yeah. Good vibes, Miles Teller.
Yeah. Great vibes out.
Hey, and we're sending ours to you, Teller family. And it's great to be friends with you guys.
You know, was willing to war. Happy we're not.
Happy we are not. Go ahead, AJ.
Aaron, how'd you leave it when you left New York? You meet with Brick and Woody, I assume, and have exit meetings. I'm not sure how you leave with them and what the next timeline might be.
And I don't know if you know this, but Monday, Ohio State plays Notre Dame, the national championship. Also, the inauguration.
I see some different people announcing they may be performing. Are we going to turn the TV on and see you sitting next to Elon and maybe Zuck and some of those big hitters up there on the stage? Go long!

You should complete a ball there. Well, I

have seen that there were a couple

inquiries.

I don't know if they're invitations or not

about me going out there. Only

related to Bobby, because it looks like Bobby

is going to be in the cabinet.

I will not be anywhere near

D.C.

Why?

Why?

Yeah, I don't want any part of that.

Congrats on Red Dye, by the way.

Yeah, Red Dye's got RFK.

He's already got his first win.

Boom.

Well, yeah, it's the first of many,

I hope.

It's going to be interesting

to see what happens.

What I do want to watch is

I want to watch his confirmation

hearing and just

See you next time. It's the first of many, I hope.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens. What I do want to watch is I want to watch his confirmation hearing and just see who tries to fuck with him.
Like, please, somebody try and get after him and just watch him absolutely mop the floor with any of these senators. You better come ready, senators.
Come ready and try and see if you can pull it over on my boy Bobby because Bobby's a fucking smart dude, and no notes off the cuff can handle his own pretty well. So excited for him to, and honestly, so should everybody.
Like if you spend a minute researching ingredients in products in the States compared to overseas, it's disgusting. It's disgusting what they allow here, the levels that they allow here, products that are terrible for you, products they know are carcinogenic.
So it's going to be his, he's doing a service to everybody if you just let him and get the hell out of the way and stop trying to label him as whatever the fuck they want to label him these days. He just wants to make sure that everything that's being given to our kids is safe.
Everything that we're, we're ingesting on a day-to-day basis is safe. And he's going to make America healthy again.
He's going to freaking die trying. So wouldn't you want that? It's the guy fucking, the guy in charge, the guy that goes down to Gold's gym in Venice.
Now he does wear jeans when he works out, but the guy's down there shirtless doing freaking 30 pull-ups and lifting a bunch of weights, looking jocked for 70 years old. That's really jocked, yeah.
Speaking of pull-ups, Woody Johnson is a big pull-up guy. I can tell you.
I think he definitely likes to talk about how many pull-ups he can do, which I feel like is a lot. Now, he had a little injury that stopped him, but when I talked to him a couple months ago, he said he was back on the pull-ups.
I'm happy to hear that. But, yeah, I met with Woody.
Good transition right there. That was a great transition by you right there.
I with Christopher and Jaime and Coach Ulbrich and everybody there.

Had a lot of nice conversations.

Yeah, it was a weird transition because literally Monday, we're there.

I meet with everybody.

We start hearing about the fires.

It's Tuesday.

I'm flying out to the West Coast. I land, it's just it's going crazy you know just sits on fire and uh winds are crazy and you know i got to the house there you know winds were going absolutely nuts gate was flying off the handles and no power and and then my first you know like i said get over the hill i'm like shit this is on fire i mean we're literally driving my buddy to the airport it looks like i mean the whole sky is dark there's on the right we're going we're going south on the 101 the right crazy sky uh fire and straight ahead pasadena altadena there's a crazy you know crazy sky as well with flames so it was it was weird coming back but um yeah i had good conversations with all those people and and i made my way out here and then obviously shit's been a little bit uh crazy for the last nine days or so what are those conversations how this conversation goes because nobody knows what the future is i think that's what the next question would be if uh hashtag journalism uh was to take place how do those convos go just like everybody kind of states where, what the situation is.
We all understand where we are and what the future could look like. Is that kind of how that goes? And I heard Coach Olbrick.
I didn't hear. There's only one brick.
Yeah. I don't know what that's all about.
I read in New York Times, the athletic would be a little bit different than that. You don't have to expand.
But what are those meetings like whenever you chat with these people most of that most of those conversations are meant for the people in those

rooms um take us in there yeah put us in a room where it happens take us in if we were the best

conversations are where over the years for exit means are where there's uh somebody taking notes

whether the person you're talking to or somebody else in the room taking notes. And there's constructive criticism on ways to improve how we do things around the building.
That's like from player to coach. And then from coach to player, there's constructive ways in which you can show up, do your job better as well.
There are some great ones over the years with Mike. You know, Mike was, we used to, because we had such a close relationship, I would be, you know, later in my career, it went by seniority.
So, you know, once I got into like the middle 2010s, I was one of the oldest guys on the team. So my slot to meet with Mike, there's 15 minute slots.
He met with everybody on the team, which I thought was awesome too. Like literally everybody on the team got a 15 minute slot.
And most of the time it went more than that. But we would meet, but then we would meet for an extended time later in the week or at his house or my house.
And, you know, I always felt like everything I told Mike, you know, got got taken to heart. And, and, and then he would always have things for me to think about to work on to, to contemplate in the offseason.
So I was I really appreciate his feedback over the years, you know, always made me feel like I was being listened to and that there were things that, you know, we can improve on moving forward. meetings went went hours these these were much shorter than that i gave some constructive uh things you know there's there's always things uh it's there's so much that goes into the whole thing there's there's the food part there's the locker room there's travel there's um hotel stuff there's different you know you're just giving little constructive uh things here and there that maybe they take to heart maybe they don't but i think there's always ways to to improve and i was impressed to see that uh you know the meeting with christopher and jaime was a lot about that uh the meaning about woody was uh was more about uh you know uh team future different things but i think think everybody understands that it's going to come down to a GM and a coach and myself and whether we all want to do a dance together or if it's not in the cards.
Okay. Tango potential still in New York.
If not, there's other spots that are going to be looking for a quarterback. If you were to remain a quarterback in the NFL, that's a decision that you obviously will have to make.
Open anything, attach to nothing at the current moment. You mentioned Big Mike.
He's a veil boy, isn't he? Big Mike's going to be out there somewhere. And if they're a veil...
Hell of a ball coach. Hell of a ball coach um what he did this year with the amount of injuries that they had i thought was was amazing hearing the guys talk about him i wasn't surprised just because you know anybody plays for mike and gets to know him a little bit and and get to feel that uh a great big heart that he's got you know it's it's it's special so um you know it was interesting because anybody knows the business and chuck you know this better than anybody most of the time coaches have an extra year on their deal right so it gives you that buffer if you get if you get released you have a year to kind of not have to rush back in there all these guys maybe you can speak more on this chuck i'd be interested in what the mindset is and maybe if this has ever happened to you but but i think most of the coaches on the staff went into the season without another year on their deal.
They're in the last year of their deal. That's a freaking tough way to go about doing it with no guarantees afterwards.
Have you ever been in that position before, Chuck? Yeah. After the 2015, the fourth year of my contract, I went in after three years.
We made it all the way to the AFC Championship game, got the doors beat off of us. By who? Yeah, the boss.
Yeah, Pats. But anyway, you know who it was.
But Aaron went in, and I thought, you know, we were 11-5, 11-5, 11-5, made the playoffs every year, advancing the playoffs, and you're thinking, okay, hey, time to get something new, right? Time to get some money here. Let's go.
Come on. You know, I watched like, you know, and I love Jason Garrett.
He did a great job. He's 8-8, 8-8, 8-8, and he got a new six-year deal at six or seven per or something.
Hey, this could be a decent little deal. And only come to find out that, hey, we're just going to, you know, whatever.
So I was like, okay, forget it.

I don't want anything.

I'm going to bet on myself.

So we went into that last year with nothing.

And then Aaron, to have to walk down the hallway when they come in,

and this happened a couple times,

and you have to tell all your assistant coaches, like, they're not re-upping us.

Because every year, like, you win and you do well, they come down, they give you the old one, they give you a new one, and you always have that year. And then guys get pissed because they're under contract, and then guys won't let them leave.
Well, you sign the thing, it's insurance, it's guaranteed it's insurance for you, but then on the other hand, you're not afraid because they can block you, so to speak. And sometimes guys will bet on themselves and not sign the contract.
If they're position coaches that want a chance to interview for a job, which I totally respect that. I agree.
Yeah. But it's when most of the staff and the head coach and the coordinators don't have.
That to me was like. Yeah.
I would think there's no. I mean, talk about having zero confidence you're going to be back.
But to your point about Big Mike and the job that he did, to go in there and then shut the doors and say, okay, none of us, including myself, we don't have guarantees. We don't have that extra year.
But you know what? We signed the contracts. We got the name on the back of our jersey, the decal on the side of our helmet.
And by God, hey, look, this ain't going to be a distraction. We're not going to talk about this.
We're going to prepare. We're going to coach.
We're going to put the time in, and we'll show them. What would be the reason why Jerry wouldn't bring back Big Mike, you think? Like, why do you think Dio would not? You know, there's a lot of speculation out there.
I think maybe Coach McCarthy wanted maybe a little bit more from a guarantee standpoint,

maybe more years.

I heard Troy mention this.

Some other people mention this, that maybe he wanted four or five years, Aaron,

and that Jerry maybe was like, okay, we'll do two.

So maybe there was something.

These are all legend.

These are all legend. Yeah, no, yeah, legend.

Yeah, but there's rumors hitting like why the deal didn't come.

I assume Dallas Cowboys will put out their reasons.

I don't know if Big Mike is a guy that leaks stuff doesn't feel like he is, but he's on the move. He's going somewhere else and Aaron might be on the move too.
And Devontae might be on the move too. Are we calling up Jordy from the damn farm? Are we putting this thing together? We shall see.
Open to anything attached to nothing. Now, let's talk about this weekend.
I know you have to go. We appreciate your time.
Tone has a question for you. Aaron, I know you've got a lot

going on, but will you make it appointment viewing

Sunday when the Ravens and Bills

play each other, Josh and Lamar are playing

each other, the winner gets the MVP,

we've been told. I think that's how it's

going to work out this year. And then

in your past, did you have any

huge games like that where it was you

coming for MVPs versus

someone who was second in

MVP, like a matchup of this magnitude?

I mean, you'd have to go back and look at that.

In 16, I felt like maybe I should have won MVP based on the run that we had.

And we played in the NFC Championship, the guy that did win did win MVP Matt Ryan and he beat the hell out of us that kind of that determined that maybe they right made the right decision there but but no we had some good matchups over the years obviously the NFC Championship against Tom was a well you know it was a great great great matchup. They had a great team.
Game felt like we should have won. Obviously, we had made a lot of mistakes in that game.
But I will say this, you know, this is the problem, and I'm just prognosticating here. But big problem in the football media is what is going to happen to the loser of that game can't get it done can't get it done both guys both guys had incredible seasons right incredible season josh you know i don't know like until the media which has a big sway kind of jumped on the lamar train with shit i don't blame him because he had an incredible season too but it seemed like it was josh's mvp uh to win he had a phenomenal season uh arguably the best player in the league and the other guy who would probably be in the conversation besides saquon is lamar jackson and just a little ho-hum 41 and 4 uh season for him uh but again they've they both haven't, you know,

been to the Super Bowl,

which is everybody's

measuring stick for giving somebody

some sort of elite status that we

have to grovel to receive

from the media.

Is that right? You think it's right that way?

You guys are judged by Super Bowl wins,

I guess?

Who gives a shit, you know judged by judged by who me con man ty definitely no associated press i'm sure the shaman judge every once in a while of course the associated press tone though i don't know about the shaman down there the ayahuasca retreat they're certainly judging and maybe in the darkness retreat the poor ones do the poor one associated press tone is definitely judging no doubt that is what he's all about i only lift up what all right aaron we appreciate you so much that's the perfect way to end this thing you're the man we send positive vibes everybody you yourself included over there in southern california and we appreciate the hell out of you, man. Keep going.
Hey, thanks. Thanks, guys.
And once again, just a big shout out to all the incredible men and women in uniform because there was obviously incredible firefighters. There was the police who were taking care of everything.
We had National Guard protecting the neighborhoods from the looting. Just incredible.
Those are the real heroes, for sure, who saved lives and houses and structures and businesses. And it's going to be a long rebuild, like the devastation post campfire up there in Paradise and post fires in Santa Rosa and Reading and Maui, obviously.
But a lot of love going to anybody lost uh lost their homes and a lot of gratitude to everybody out there who's keeping us safe because there's so many incredible men and women who are putting their lives on the line in these crazy crazy temperature fires and and with the 80 to 100 mile wind so appreciate you guys chuck love your brother uh and you too and uh and your bro as well. Love seeing John as well.
He's a great man. You're putting him in retirement home, so I hope you feel good about it.
We appreciate you, man. We echo your sentiment completely.
Obviously, we're not out there, so we're not as close as to it, but thanks to all the people serving the community over there, and I'm excited to watch the build back. Stronger, right? Absolutely.
Ladies and gentlemen. SoCal strong.
Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
Some of those photos, man. Crazy.
Very crazy. All right.
We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, four-time NFL MVP, Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah. All right.
Let's get to a break. On the other side, we will cover all the stories that we haven't hit yet across the entire sports world.
And Chuck Pagano will be making his picks for the entire weekend.

Let's go.

And for the national championship.

Wow.

Remember, he sucked on Thursday this year.

Yes, he did.

But Saturdays, Sundays, guy was great.

That's what your words, not ours.

We didn't know.

How about Mondays?

How have you been on Mondays?

Well, there was one recent deal I did that counted for like two or three, you said.

Yeah, yeah, of course. He's been on.
Exact score, Ravens. That's right.
Ravens-Steelers? 35-10. Ravens-Browns.
Ravens-Browns. 18.
Last basketball week. Yeah, I remember that.
Exact score. That was fun.
That's a lot of points, but not enough. Lucky.
Very lucky. Handout season for Chuck.
It's not about luck. Big time.

Chuck didn't take handouts.

He's a football guy.

He did.

He did.

I believe it was the second to last Thursday night game.

Well, the spread was changing.

Yeah.

I'd take that as well.

Lions Packers.

That's a hand.

No, it's a decisive gift.

Oh.

Okay.

It's a vibes gift that was presented to Chuck, and he took it. He did.
Especially with the way things were going. Good wording.
$35.10 is... That is worth...
I mean, hey, look. And you know what's funny? People hit that.
People actually bet that. You know what's funny? You shared that with me.
That was really cool. Yes.
I spent $5.30. Got like $835 or $900 or something.
And then he, I guess I didn't think about it.

The people that tweeted and said they did it are like,

Chuck never gives an exact score.

So whenever I heard it, it was just like,

ah, might as well put some money on that.

Hits home.

Let's do it again.

Let's do it again.

Maybe hit all four games this weekend.

Exact scores.

That's the standard.

You could be a millionaire.

You know what the score of the Baltimore-Buffalo game was in week four? I believe this year. What was it? 35-10.
Wait a minute. Are we getting a nose-to-mentalist type situation right now? Holy shit.
Let's get to a break. It's freaking me out.
I played a Madden game last night. Ravens-Bills.
What was the score? 35-10. No! Swear to God.
Let's get to a break. It's freaking me out.rick Henry had three touchdowns.
Simulation. Holy shit.
Speaking of. Axel Harris.
Axel Hawk. Versus sections.
35 wins, 10 losses. Yeah.
Entire sections of stadiums. Think about that.
Vetter against Toast. 35-10.
Had him early. Vetter buried it.
Tucked his shirt in Walked right out Business has been handled Deal with it Took a massive shite this morning Thought I lost 35 pounds Turns out Only lost 10 Holy hell How good I mean. Tony, anything? Any 35 references that you can just kind of come off from your morning that you had here? You know, my family tells me I should act like my age, which is 35, but I actually act like I'm 10.
All right. I like that one, too.
All things are kind of turning up one way. Yeah.
Let's get to a break.

I have an update.

Dan Orlovsky's kids team beat Gunnar and Bo yesterday.

Last night.

Was it 35?

Yeah, was it?

Definitely.

It was 35-10.

I think it ended up being an eight-point differential.

Okay.

Or maybe a nine-point differential.

Remember?

Read the text to everybody.

Yeah, you did.

We're down one with six to go. They went on a 10-1 run.
I said, sweet, you won by eight. And he said, or nine.
And I said, well, I don't know how math works anymore, I don't think. And I said, congrats on the win.
And they gave a fifth pound back. Still don't know what the final score was.
But I know it wasn't 35-10. I was going to say.
Let's call him up. We need to get an answer on this.
We need to get an answer on a couple things. Because there's some math.
Yeah, exactly. Who was he coaching? No, no, no.
What was he doing dancing like that at Jeff Rodgers' show? It's true. Oh, you're right.
The internet's the greatest place on earth. I saw Dan Orlovsky getting killed because this guy.
No, getting killed? What do you mean? The guy's a good dancer. Great dude.
That's what the video is. But if you've seen the remarks underneath, it was almost like a protocol.
Like, hey, Barry, Dan Orlovsky. There's a lot of people been doing that lately.
Like, hey, use this as an opportunity to kill somebody. It's like, oh, great.
What was that person doing? Just hanging out coaching their kids, Gabe. That's right.
That's all they're doing. And all of a sudden, somebody that happens to be a basic looking white.
With a little Dan O'Hare. Yep.
It's over. Hey, let me provide another opportunity to kill a guy.
There isn't enough, but here's another one. And I'll tell you what, Dan deserved it.
Yeah. That guy shouldn't look like him that much.
He shouldn't. That's on Dan.
Dan did fucking deserve that. Shave your head,, Dan.
He brings water on himself. He tries.
Yeah, he lives under the hoop. That's the thing.
He lives under the hoop. Like he lives there.
So every once in a while, he's going to Wemby. Yeah.
But every once in a while, he's going to get Joe Vince Carter. And it does.
It does happen to Dan. And you know what he does? He does rape back in the paint.
He does. Dust off his paint.
Oh, he never he never stays down you bury him 10 times he'll give a wild take 11 times there's no stopping the Orlovsky train it sounded like he really wanted to coach did you hear that yesterday it was like an interview whenever he was on he was laying it out I don't know what his contract status is in TV world but it felt like he was what was the unexpected the unexpected Doors subtweet that he put out? When you put that on to how he was speaking, you're like, okay, what's going on? He is a sub. Shit's so annoying, man.
The buyout's got to be nothing. You fart that much on TV, your buyout can't be that.
See, he fried another opportunity. Exactly.
All right, let's get to a break. He did not answer.
What's his deal? What's that all about? Hey, quick shout-out. Quick shout-out.
What's that? Quick shout-out. Of course.
Yes. Constance.
Yeah. Wait, is this Palisades? Is it January 16th? Sis lost her house.
Oh, no. She lives in Palisades.
40 years there. Good shout-out.
So shout-out to Constance. Gumpy, if you want to say some bullc.
That would be condolences, not a shout out. Right next door to Aaron, right there by Malibu.
We would like to let Connie know that we are so sorry that that happened to her and many others. It's terrible.
To be clear, I think Connor and myself thought a positive thing was coming. Yeah.
Like another birthday. A shout out usually isn't something like that.
Maybe a bingo hole victory for the first time. Here's the positive, right? She's getting $750 from Joe Biden.
Already moving forward.

Like, okay, look, we've got our lives.

We've got our health.

We've got our kids.

Life's good.

It's a material thing.

You can rebuild.

You can start over.

Connie, we love you.

Good luck, Connie.

That's not an easy mindset.

Not everybody's going to be able to have that immediately.

But that's why she's an absolute G.

That's right.

I do not envy anybody.

There she is.

Greatest sumo wrestler America's ever had.

Domo arigato.

Domo.

Constance Pagano.

Yes.

Domo arigato.

Constance Pagano.

Domo arigato.

Domo arigato.

Constance Pagano.

Ohio.

Constance.

Good morning, I believe. Japanese.
Do not touch on my mustache. Oh, that got us in trouble.
I don't know what that means. Do not touch my mustache.
Is that what it was? It sounded like they were saying, do not touch my mustache. You said sayonara.
So I just started saying it to everybody. Sayonara, that plays over there.
No. Their language sounds nothing like ours.
No. At all.
Yeah, I'd say um their language sounds nothing like ours no no at all yeah i'd say and it reads nothing like ours either over there no so you hear something that sounds like what you're saying it's almost like what my 21 month old is doing now sure she makes the signs of what the words are all of them well dropped the no shit the other day it was awesome i've never seen i've never been more like proper usage right there. Yes.
You know, I don't know if she knew what it was right, but she, you know, she's doing the sounds. That was very much what it was like over in Japan with Japanese.
Because I was trying to embrace these people. They're not, they are not talkers outside their house.
No. They do not.
It is a very quiet society. I was trying to really have a good time over there and embrace it.
And trying to talk and i'm a communicator i think

and uh the words were tough the words were tough but one of the translators sent me in there

i thought i was saying one thing i was saying something else he gave you a bomb

well no because i'm an american in japan so that would uh that's that is still

they gave us a lot of warnings actually do not Do not go to here. There are still some.
Do not go here. And obviously, we had directly there.
Had a great time. It was a beautiful country.
Beautiful culture. Yeah.
Legitimately. Unbelievable.
People were much nicer to us than I think they were telling us they were going to be to us. I think a lot of people were expecting them to not be...
We got along well over there, I think, in Japan. I think we made some real friends.
It was unbelievable. You ever seen a place so, like, as many people that live there? Clean.
And how clean and how much order there is? I mean, there is no BS going on. And there's no cops.
There's nobody. I mean, everybody just minds their own business, to your point about not talking.
They had the mask on long before they were required.

Everybody was wearing them.

Yeah, and you talk about no cops.

Thank God, because Chuck kicked the door down in one of the bars.

Cuts.

Yeah, I mean, we got out of there quickly.

I don't think we earned any friends in that particular establishment.

But we found another.

Did we ever.

We found a few.

I don't know.

Some sake?

A lot of sake.

A lot of sake.

Hi, hi. Quail eggs and sake.
That's yes, I believe. Hi.
I don't know. Some sake.
A lot of sake. A lot of sake.
Hite, hite. Quail eggs and sake.
Hite. That's yes, I believe.
Hite. Talk about seeing some.
Well, the door. What's that, brother? You drink sake cold or hot? I've had it both ways.
Both. There's also a rattlesnake moonshine.
Well, in those bottles. Denim? Yeah.
All those bottles had the snake in them. Yeah.
Really? Fucking wild. Yeah, it was wild shit.
I mean, there was some wild shit over there. And I feel like they were taking advantage of us because we were dumb Americans.
But we went on board with it. We had a great time.
I'll go back. How about Conte and family there? Yeah, we met up with an uncle.
He's working in the stock market over there because it's 12 hours ahead. We're 16 hours ahead or something like that.
So normally the Japanese market is a good indicator on what's going to happen in the United States market. So he was over there in Tokyo.
I mean, it was... Crushing it.
I feel like we learned a lot. He took us to a local sushi place.
I mean, it was... That was good.
We got good boozed up there. Yeah, we got pretty...
The ride over, I think, we had a train ride. That took forever.
We got pretty fucked up pretty much everywhere we were. Sure, we should go.
We did our thing, USO, which was great to see all the military. The military families that are living over there, which is a lot.
We got a lot of people in Japan. We had an entire island in Japan down there.
The families of those who are serving, living a completely backwards life, feels like that USO trip is one where they're actually

appreciative that American culture

is there. I think some USO

tours you go on,

they're not necessarily thrilled that they have to come meet.

They're in the middle of some

we are not at necessarily. But this one

was a lot, I think, for the families, because it was

a piece of American culture was over there.

Even the people that weren't Colts fans were happy to see

some American culture. And then

as we were transporting to the next town

or next city, we certainly wanted to

Thank you. of american culture was over there even people that weren't colts fans were like happy to see some american culture and then as we were transporting to the next town or next city we certainly wanted to wanted to say hello to the to the locals sure yes and we did we did you got to get a feel for it i had to understand what the culture was don't know if i'm gonna get back yeah godzilla anthony castanzo you should have seen him over there.
What's this one?

Yeah.

He's abnormal where we come from, too.

And then we just kept it rolling.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

as a man who might be able to clarify some things,

Dan Olofsky.

There you go, Dan.

Dan, how you doing, bud?

I'm great. How are you?

I'd be much better if you answered some questions.

Thank you for taking the time here.

It looks like you're in transport from one television show to the next.

Thank you for taking the time here. It looks like you're in transport from one television show to the next.
We talked about you coaching in the NFL potentially next year, and then you chatted about your coaching championship game last night. And I texted with you.
I told the boys, you said you were down one with six to go. Then you go on a 10-1 run, and I said, oh, you win by eight.
And then you said, or nine. And then we said, nonetheless, congratulations on a big-time win.
You guys stuffed Bowen Gunner. How do Orlovsky boys play, and how much did you actually win by? Because I don't think I understand the math equation enough.
Yeah, it wasn't a championship game. It was just undefeated versus undefeated.
Oh, okay. Season's just kind of getting started.
I don't think I said championship game.

I just said big game.

No, it wasn't two.

No, it didn't.

I never said it was a championship game.

Kind of made us feel like it was.

Everybody kind of thought it was a championship.

I think, AJ, you thought it was a championship match?

Yeah.

Yeah, I did.

Talk to the table?

No basketball is a championship game in, Gene. Like, early, early, Gene.
Oh, yeah, you're right. They don't like weekend tournaments Yeah, that isn't a certain t-shirt.
Oh, it wasn't a weekend. It was a Wednesday Yeah, but that's where the championship is because it was decided on a weekend obviously.
Yeah, so midweek More eyes on it film Bo had some success. He had some good reverse layups.
And some steals.

Up and unders.

Yeah, yeah.

That was his go-to move.

It was frustrating.

Gunner.

Gunner had some good shots. But I do think defensively as a team, we did a solid job with Gunner.

My sons, Noah stunk.

No, he wasn't strong enough with the ball. Bars to be out here.
Come sons, Noah stunk. Uh, no, he, he wasn't, he wasn't strong enough with the ball.
He didn't steal me. Come on, Noah.
Enough in my opinion. Uh, he played hard.
He played hard, uh, for moments, but I think he could play harder. Hunter played, Hunter played his, his rear end off.
Three and D guy, um, played very good defensively. Um, as your boy.
I think the, I, think that I don't. It was either 42 to 33 or 43 to 32.
It's one of those. Okay.
Well, that would be 11 or 9. Neither of them would be 8, which is the math that you gave me immediately after the game.
But nonetheless, we are very happy. How about Hendricks and Ari? Ari put up a couple good shots.
Ari could hoop now. That kid could hoop.
The only downside is he's got to work on his perimeter game. He's got to work on his perimeter game, but he can get to the rack.
A couple of Euro steps by him. Hendricks was who I thought he was.
Just plays really, really good. As advertised.
Fustles to the ball. Not a scoring threat, though, right now.
Not a scoring threat, but plays just tail off. Well, all these boys are obviously going to get better because of good coaching.
After yesterday's announcement to the world that you're definitely going to get into coaching next year if you get the opportunity, has any more people called you and what are your, what are your thoughts on it? Jeez, dude, you came in such a position with these, man. journalism hashtag uh i have had one more person reach out uh since that moment everybody guessed i haven't spoke to them it was just a brief text message and i have to call them um ready i still i still feel the same way what they say hey man i heard your offensive playbook is going to be all the good plays and none of the bad plays why doesn't everybody do that you want to come to join our team is that what they said uh verbatim no they just said hey are you seriously entertaining coaching and i responded back with yeah it's something i'm interested in and they said uh can we talk today and i said sure all rightited to hear how that goes.
Hopefully, you'll keep us updated.

The world, you'll subtweet your way through it, hopefully.

And congrats to you, Orlovsky, boys.

Noah, let's tighten it up.

Come on.

Long season left, brother.

Dad's pissed at you, dude.

Honestly, Hunter, way to go.

I got to get Noah to play hard all the time.

He's still kind of just at moments, does, and at moments, I'm like, what are we doing, dude?

Hey, you're the teaching error allowing it. That him around that's part of your resume that's right Chuck's former coach coach I told him last night during a play where he didn't do what I kind of had stressed he didn't get on the ground for a loose ball and I looked at at him.
I said, either get on the ground or get off the court. I like that.
He's that. He's incredible.
What did he do? He crawled off the court, rolled off the court, or did he stay on? He stay on there. He's pretty good with, like, that stuff.
I can't do that to Hunter because Hunter will, you know, still kind of get too emotional about it. He's pretty good.
Like, all right. You know, he gets into the right mindset after that.

You got to coach each person individually.

Exactly.

You got to be able to reach everyone.

I appreciate that.

Hopefully more people will understand that you're ready to coach.

Because last night, Bo and Gunnar had no shot.

They knew it.

They knew it going in.

And there's a lot of season left.

Congrats on still being undefeated.

Even though you misled us all to think it was a championship,

we're still happy about an early season Wednesday win. Boom win for your boys.
Ladies and gentlemen, what's that? Hey, tell D-Buck just texted me saying, wear a seatbelt. You should.
That's a good point. Are you in the front seat or back seat? I'm not driving.
I'm not driving. So what? You can kill everybody if you don't have a seatbelt in a car.
Not you, but you could. In your own car.
I don't know how you would do it. Your body flew up and shot the driver's head off.
You'd still die. Break everybody's neck.
AQ, very thankful for the seatbelt. Now granted, you can actually see the seatbelt welt across his entire stomach around his body.
And then you see bruising. Almost looks internally bad bruising around the rest of his stomach because a drunk driver smoked him last week whenever he got home back to Phoenix.
Thank you. Airbags, the whole thing, yeah.
And it looks nasty. It looks very, very nasty.
I've never been a seatbelt wearer. Okay? Never okay never because when i was younger one of my friend's uncles died in a crash because he couldn't get the seat belt off it's actually melted it was a fire so like i heard that and then every time i hear somebody be like well seatbelt saves your lives i'm like well i actually heard i know there is a situation where it was the complete opposite that happened so i always thought about that but then like you know you hear these stories like aq shares a story and then somebody else shares a story then something happens at uh like a game day person in a story it's like now with my daughter i fucking put that thing on and every time i put it on it's like it's like it's first time in my life i put it on i always go yeah i'm wearing a seatbelt i always feel like i'm an adult now you can't do it obviously all right we understand we understand you trust the driver i guess trust the driver i'm bad at it too i'm bad at it i'm bad at it me too i actually had it in and around the back of the seat so i didn't even have to feel it and i didn't have to hear the beeping that's what i used to be now every time click it up clicker ticket brother i don't love that that became a rule i don't think they should be looking for more reasons to pull people over.
I don't think that's a thing anymore. It isn't.
Yeah, it's a secondary ticket. Okay, good.
But I'm sure they can find a primary reason to get you in there. It's like a different company.
Phones are primary now. Yeah, sure.
Phones. Distracted driving is a big topic of conversation.
Not good at that either. I i ride motorcycle you know so i see like you actually see into cars and it's like if you're in a two lane and you can see in the car phone it's like we're either gunning this by them or we are we are not gonna you can tell like when people are i want to to say a ticking time, but almost.
Yeah, leaning.

We do got to get better as a society so we can all

continue to enjoy all the benefits

of technology that we have. So let's continue.

Let's not fuck it up. And let's stop drunk

driving. Let's wear our seat

belts so we stay alive for our family.

If that's how you feel.

And let's enjoy this

life. Alright, coach.
We appreciate you, man. All right, boys.
All right, dude. I'll throw a shock at your way too, bro.
Shocker. Later.
Why were you dancing at that show earlier? Yeah, Jennifer Hudson show. What were you doing on there? You're good, man.
Yeah, you got mood, brother. Is that that video that's everyone tagging me in type thing? Yeah, yeah.
They're not just tagging. They're also un-tacking.
You're supporting. You're good, man.
Yeah, you got moved, brother. I said that video.
Is that that video that's everyone tagging me in type thing?

Yeah, yeah.

They're not just tagging.

They're also outtacking.

You're grooving, brother.

You got good knee bend, I'll say.

Yeah.

I don't expect that out of you.

Do we have that?

Yeah.

I'm sure we can pull it up.

What are you doing?

I missed it.

Don't entice it.

How'd the appearance go?

Was it a typical wife?

No, no, no.

Look at the knee bend.

Your hips feel great.

No, go earlier. Go earlier.

Go earlier.

Get the whole thing.

Yeah, there's a little bit more to it.

There it is.

Let me hear it.

Make a noise.

Hey, Dano.

Oh, wow.

They are glad.

Who is that?

Good for you.

Good for me.

Good for us.

Daniel Orlowski.

Yeah, hey, team.

I think, I don't know if he was necessarily pumped that he was going to do this.

Didn't look at the camera one time.

Kind of stayed away from it.

A little shine away, but absolutely

killed it. There's Dano on the way out.

Is that NFL Live every day?

Right in the Jennifer Hudson show.

Hey.

Alright, Dan, think about adding that to the routine.

Go ahead.

We don't know who that is.

He's an actor from Abbott Elementary, I believe.

Great show. That show's a good one.

It's got Joel on it.

Yeah. Abbott Elementary.
Joel. Yeah, Joel's in it.
Joel who? No, there's only three Joels. There's Joel Klatt, Joel Osteen, and then Joel McHale.
Bingo, thank you. And he's on Abbott Elementary? He's not.
Similar type of show, though. I love Joel McHale.
He was on for Washington on game day. Correct.
Came in full body paint. Dog.
And I picked up a dog, I think. Not his dog.
No, the Husky. Yeah, and held it.
And they got paint on dog legend. So he's not an Abbott Elements.
He is not. Who is an Abbott Elements? That creator is Quinta Brunson.
It's won a bunch of awards. So, yeah, it's nobody you would know.

Oh, have you seen Parent Trap with Lindsay Lohan?

I have.

I have seen that.

You know Jesse, the one who is like Dennis Quaid's housekeeper?

Yes.

She's in that.

Okay.

There you go.

Parent Trap's a good movie.

Housekeeper has a great role.

Tied together.

Very important role in that entire movie is the housekeeper.

Yeah, there she is.

Lisa and Walter.

Yep. Bingo.
That is her. Huge role in Parent Trap.
Without a doubt. I do remember that.
I say Walter. So there actually isn't a white guy in the show.
Yeah, Chris Perfetti, the guy who's dancing. Chris Perfetti.
That's not... So I was way off.
I mean, I wasn't even close to guessing somebody in this particular show. No, no.
Joel McHale does have a show on Fox, though. This is an NBC show.
Of course it is.

Dana, why don't you get into acting instead of coaching?

We need you out there, especially with those dance moves.

We appreciate you, man.

Not happen. Later.

Are you on NFL Live today, or we got more TikToks to make?

NFL Live and then SportsCenter at 6.

All right, well, hang loose, bro.

Appreciate it, bro. Crush it, bro.

Good luck, bro.

I'll throw that thing at you.

You got this, bro.

Dan Roloski.

Certainly had us believing that was a championship game last night.

Yeah.

Not a doubt.

Only reason why we asked about Gunnar and Bo and Hendricks and Ari is because we wanted

another championship lineup.

Yeah.

Sorry, now we're following the season with these boys.

Exactly.

No 100 need to tighten it up. Hey, let's win an Addy, boys.
I don't even know if that's possible at that age and what level they're at. But let's win this thing.
I'm pulling for them. Bo and Gunner are going to come back stronger if I know anything about them.
No doubt. A lot of season left for Bo and Gunner.
Get on the floor or get off. I like that.
Based on what he said about Hendricks, that kid's going to be a fucking wrestler. Defense? Yeah.
Can't score yet. He ain't going to be a basketball player, so he should have fun while he can.
They're still trying to learn their way. Basketball will certainly teach him something that will help him in whatever sport he goes into.
Or maybe he becomes an assassin. Maybe.
We don't know. We know Ari's the best player on the team.
Dan keeps shading him for some reason. We have to ask him to keep bringing him up.
I think it's because he and Hunter potentially play similar roles on the team. But Ari...
Yeah, Euro. Name like that.
Alright, let's get to a break. We're back on the other side.
Chuck Pagano will pick all the games this weekend. Football.
I'm excited to hear yeah. This should be good.
I'm excited.

I've done a lot of research.

Look at all these notes. I've got a lot of them.
Can't see him behind our stack of papers, but he's got a bunch of papers, too. A full notebook.
How many notebooks this year? I think four. Chase.
For a 500 director. Yeah.
Come on. Hey, you know what question I wanted to ask Dan? Chase Louise.
What's that? And I'll ask you boys a question. Do you think the text was from a guy that's currently employed as a head coach or one that's possibly? Mark Davis.
I assume Mark Davis was the text. To Dan? To Dan.
Call Dan back. Call Dan back.
Let's ask him that question. That's a good question.
Yeah, because somebody trying to put a staff together. I don't know if you can answer, but.
Somebody putting a staff together to pitch the staff? Yeah. Or does somebody have a hole in their staff? My guess would be one of the newbies or maybe somebody that's going to lose a guy to a job.
That's only two options, right? Hey, Dan Orlovsky is back. Hey, Chuck has a question for you.
You can obviously choose not to answer it. So the text that you got, I was just curious, was that from a coach that's currently employed as a head coach or one that possibly is going to be employed as a head coach um he would be one that has the potential to become employed as one okay so they're like pitching staffs trying to see what the staff would be have you gotten messages from people that have a staff and maybe lose a position coach uh yes okay good climate in wisconsin potentially all right we appreciate you Thanks, dude.
Yes. Okay, good.
All right, so climate in Wisconsin, potentially. All right, we appreciate you.
Thanks, Daniel. I can get you more than a mansion.
Before you make that decision, make sure you make that decision, call me. Yeah, well, he's gone.
He don't want to hear it, Coach. You got 36 years of coaching football.
Why the fuck would he want your advice? Just hung up on your face. if it was Lombo, though? What if it was Lombo trying to see if he wants to be the OC in North Carolina? I know.
They respect each other. They got one.
He hired Freddie Kitchens. Who? Oh, he did.
They retained him. Oh, he retained him.
Yeah, he retained Freddie, I think. At North Carolina? Yeah.
Man, I just said Josh McDaniels right now. I don't think he's the OC, though.
No. At least I thought I read that.
He ain't coming to New England. Who? Dan Arlovsky.
I heard you just say Josh McDaniels. That ain't happening.
No, I'm talking about that in North Carolina. I said to Lombardi, Josh McDaniels is potentially going to be available depending upon what happens up in New England or other places.
I didn't even know they kept Freddie Kitchens down there. Once again, there's me just fucking saying something very disrespectful without knowing it.
Yeah, I don't think he's OC either.

Okay, good, good, good.

He's a big fella, too.

I don't know how big Miles is.

I didn't even know who Miles Teller was.

I had to look him up.

So I learned about him on Top Gun.

But he's a child star, I guess, from way back.

I did not know.

I didn't watch any of the games. Like which?

I didn't play any of the games.

I didn't do that.

I don't know if he's a child.

Was he a child?

I mean, he was in movies when he was young, I guess.

But I don't think he was on Nickelodeon, was he?

No, but as a teenager, he started getting...

What was he in?

It was in Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

Project X was probably the first thing.

That's the one.

Yeah, he played Miles Teller.

Yeah, he played himself.

But he wasn't a big-time superstar at the time, no.

But he was in a lot of shit.

What was the one he talked about?

That Awkward Moment?

Yeah.

He mentions that movie all the time. I've never seen it.
Mid-20ss, late-20s Who watched that movie? Was that a kid's movie? No When we were in like Probably after college So he's not a child star No Is it a rom-com? Yeah I'd say rom-com I don't know shit about him What's a rom-com? Romantic comedy You don't know Wake up! What Matt McConaughey did for 10 years. That awkward moment was 2014.

Vince Vaughn, Matthew McConaughey, those types of things. I thought that was like, yeah.

What did you think it was?

A porno?

What did you think?

Yeah, exactly.

Miles Teller's whipping dick around her.

That's what you think?

You think he's the only famous guy?

That is one of the gags.

I'm not going to say anything bad about anybody.

Learned a lot from Johnny Sins.

Certainly not Miles Teller. I don't want to be walking through a deal with a neck brace on.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, he would have looked bad if he fought a guy in a neck brace.
Especially after we were coming out of Hawaii. I knew that.
And if he fought Joe Pagano in a neck brace? Jeez. Yeah, it'd be a tough look.
Could you imagine Chris Pratt and Miles Teller, though, just both fighting me at that moment? I mean, I walked in. It could have been a more worse-timed group of celebrities of all time.
I was wearing Chris Pratt and Miles Teller Just both fighting me at that moment I mean I walked in and it could have been a more worse time Group of celebrities of all time I was when Chris Pratt was like Trading for the Terminalist too So he was strapped up Military trading And that was the first thing I'd seen in Chris Pratt was Jurassic World Then I watched Terminalist with Jack Carr And I'm like wow I love this guy He's the greatest human of all time. I wish I could go back in time.
That's all me. Didn't watch a lot of movies.
Didn't watch a lot of shows. Books aren't really my thing either.
So I'm learning as we go. A lot of good people out there.
Chris Pratt's great. Yes.
He's a great actor. Yeah.
Tomorrow War, also a great one on Amazon. And what was the one where he was here in Indiana? Parks and Rec.
Boom. start And he's like the best part of that show Absolutely He was homeless right? Didn't they say he was homeless? Yeah he lived in a hole for a little bit His life Oh in real life yeah He was in Hawaii just like living in like a van On the beach down there Yeah and it cost a lot of money to get to Hawaii So you make that to do that, which is kind of not really doing much with your life and then becoming a superstar.
He worked at Bubba Gump and kept making – he was a waiter and he kept making some girl laugh, and she was a big-time talent exec in L.A., and she was like, hey, you should leave here and move to L.A. That's all she wrote? Yeah, legit.
Congrats, Chris Pratt. Sorry for disrespecting Jurassic World.
I think you watched it. You knew where I was coming from.
I think that actually happened. I don't think he's in a new one.
Yeah, I'm not doing that again. He's married to Arnold's daughter.
The script was too good. He's a Schwarzenegger.
Really? They have a kid. How's Arnold? I saw him walking the other day.
He canceled the Super Bowl commercial with Allstate or State Farm. Yeah, because of everything that's going on.
Let's get to a break. Aaron was starting to dive into that.
It was. Yeah.
There was a couple. I'm not even going to get into that.
With that being said. I've been listening to all of it for the last three, four days coming out of there.
Bill Burr did it a bit last night. That's a lot.
With leadership out there. It's crazy.
Well, it's just like when covet happened like um your local positions like back in the day mayor what are you taking care of uh potholes yeah some other in most cities now i'm not talking about la la is vastly different obviously la's got a lot going on but in most cities it's like what are you normally dealing with on day day let's cut ribbon here let's do some initiatives for our schooling uh build a Let's build a lot going on, but in most cities, it's like, what are you normally dealing with on day-toe? Let's cut ribbon here. Let's do some initiatives for our schooling.
Build a field. Let's build a house, maybe a shelter.
Let's do that type. And then COVID happened, and now the spotlight was on.
Now local leadership meant more than ever. And I think a lot of people saw a lot of things and were like, well, how is this happening? And then here, this takes place, and it's like, shh.
Well, how is this? I don't know. Every time, seemingly,

there's been a lot of people

that have failed to test

when it comes to that particular thing.

But then we've got to remember,

there's probably some people somewhere

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even in L.A. right now

as they're continuing

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Gumpy, how you feeling, pal? All is well. Great day to be alive.
National championship on Monday. Divisional round over the next couple days.
This is a great time to be a football fan, pal. Juiced up.
How about the Dolphins? We stink. It is what it is.
Next year is, I said it this year, but next year is officially make or break. If you don't make the playoffs, you don't win a playoff game, Mike McDaniel will be gone, Tua will possibly be gone, and it will be a start all over again.
There's a chance that that's the same thing with the Colts. There's a chance.
We're not 100% sure, but there's a chance that it is a make or break year. You would think that that would have happened already a few different times, but now it feels like we are definitely in one of those.
A man who used to be the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. 36 years in the football coaching world.
18 in college. 18 in the NFL.
Chuck Paglau is here. Maybe, Chuck.
Chuck, the coaching cycle is obviously, is it one of high anxiety for people? Or is this a great opportunity, you think, if you're a coach sitting around the NFL right now now as far as like if you're one of the guys that's potentially got one of these jobs or you're out of work and you're trying to get a so Dan Orlovsky right there said that somebody who's potentially putting together a staff yes has potentially reach out to him see if he would like to be a part of it or whatever and they're going to talk today and more how many different people with quarterback position is a head coach potentially sending texts to to find out how many quarterback coaches have they're just trying to get a sense and a feel if hey if i was to get a job would you come with me what is the likelihood of that part of the selling point when you go into interview for these jobs is one of the biggest factors is like who's going to be your oc who's going to be your dc if you're not necessarily a head coach that's going to call one side of it, you're a defensive guy or an offensive guy. So you're going to have to have a list that you've put together and you've had a list of names and people that you've worked with, some that you haven't, but you've vetted a ton of people.
And you need to go in there with probably three or four names at each spot because you're obviously like you've got A, you've got B, you've got C, you've got D. And that's coordinator spots, special teams, assistants, you know, every spot on defense, every position, you know, spot on offense.
So because you're going to have to go in and sell yourself. You're going to have to go in and sell your vision, your identity, what your culture is going to look like, all that kind of stuff.
But then, okay, who's the staff? Who's going to be, you know, if you're a defensive guy, you're going into Chicago, the main thing that Warren and Poles and those guys are going to want to know is like, okay, who's the OC, who's the quarterback coach, and who's going to get this dude, okay, to where we need him to be. We would hope that's what they're looking for.
We don't know if that's the case. It is the Chicago Bears.
True. True.
No offense to Chicago Bears, but I think Chicago Bears

fans understand that that is a very reasonable

question to ask at this standpoint.

At Viva Lizito, is that accurate?

Very accurate, yes. Yeah, we would hope that that was

potentially be what they're looking at, but they might

get wowed by something else. You never know.

Chicago. They're asking around.
I mean, they

wanted to interview Marcus Freeman. They did.

You know, they want to do all this cool, zany

stuff. I saw they did David Shaw the other day.
Oh, really? I like like david shaw obviously had a great run up there at stanford i believe and then you know marcus freeman near chicago yeah a lot of irish in chicago right you know potentially locational type thing but also maybe uh marcus freeman's agent yeah yeah which is also weird smart that'd be smart marcus freeman just signed a four-year extendo. Yeah.
Big ol'. This year.
Not sure if you guys heard about Big Mike last night. He ate about 72 ounces of steak after his interview with the Bears.
Okay. By himself or? It was family style, but he took the whole steak down himself.
Dickus? Okay. It was family style.
Who was all there? All Bears. All brass.
Okay. So after the interview, let's go get a steak.
And Big Mike says, sounds good to me. And he walks over there and he cleans out the family style, the spread out.
Who's leaving it on, yeah. They had it chopped up on a plate in front of everybody.
Hey, let's go ahead and pass that around. That's mine.
He made it. That's all.
Bear. Dada.
Yeah, that's how we're doing it around here. You want a guy who wants to eat a steak, right? That's what we're looking for.
He impressed the brass by that, yes. Yeah, the brass were impressed by the steak eating? Yes.
Man, this guy's a real carnivore, man. Hire him.
Maybe that's why they've sung for so long. Hey, this guy can eat a bunch of fucking steak.
He should be our head coach. You think Caleb was impressed? Because to me, that's the guy that's calling the shots right now on what he wants.
You think Caleb Williams is calling the shots at Chicago Bears? You saw the podcast he was on, right? The St. Brown Brothers podcast where he's talking about this, that, and the other, what he's looking for.
No, I heard the clip. He's laying in bed with his head up against the pillow on the backboard.
I mean, that... Like his posture, Chuck.
He's laying down and he's in there. Can we pull that clip up, please? I've not seen that.
Can we pull that? I've not seen this clip. He's laid out pillows like he just got out a damn bed.
Like he's still in bed. It's three and a half minutes.
He just got done working out. He's in between two days, three days maybe.
He's getting better. He doesn't know what time they filmed it.
Yeah, he also doesn't know what time it is because all he is is in between first workout and third workout. That's all he does.
They asked him, what are you looking for in the next head coach? And he gave an answer. He basically said Ben.
He gave a big answer. He said Ben Johnson, essentially.
So this is kind of the thing, because I remember in Hard Knocks, I remember he was telling Roman Dunze how he wanted the routes run, and Keenan, I need you to do this. And I'm like, that's how an NFL quarterback is supposed to act.
Yes. It's a little early for that.
Do you even know the offense? Do you even know where you want this person? How do you know that's where you want this person? You don't even know the offense yet. So I thought, wow, this guy's massively confident.
This guy knows what he wants. Or dumb.
Which? Charlie. Could be the case.
We don't know yet. We don't know yet.
But I think there's a lot of him like studying how others act, you know, how like other quarterbacks act on his phone. I think he has his goals is to chase Tom Brady.
So he watches how Tom Brady maybe acted at the end of his career or Aaron Rodgers acted at the end of his career or these guys that he has mass Peyton Manning at the end of his career as opposed to like what it is to get to that point I personally that's what I felt like I was watching whenever I was seeing the way he was acting off the field and then I thought well maybe this guy's more professional than anybody else ever been because he's the highest paid NIL guy of all time remember he was starting a fund yeah he was starting a uh an investment fund and and he was telling like all these things I was watching like this guy's acting like he's in 18th year in the league already. That's good.
He wanted part ownership of the team. Allegedly that.
We don't know if he said that. That came from the family allegedly, but there's sources within the whole thing.
But then you see how the season goes, and then you hear how things are being said and how it all unravels. It's like, I think he potentially got a nice little wake-up call potentially to what the NFL is, what the NFL football style is, what professional football is he goes forward.
Then you tell me that he gives this answer on what he wants for the head coach. I guess it's three minutes and 41 seconds.
So we're definitely not running that. But the fact that he gave a 221-second answer on what he wants as a head coach, this guy's decisive.
He knows. He's decisive.
He knows what he's looking for. I think a lot of people would say, you don't fucking know shit.
Okay? You don't know. You don't know shit.
I think a lot of people would say. Football people would say, hey, you don't know shit.
So, like, counter that. Are they consulting him? The Bears know.
You know? No. That's the counterpoint.
I don't know. I don't know, H.
In the clip, though, too, he also says he would like an offensive mind. He would want a young guy.
He would want someone that could stick with him for like 10, 15 years. He never really says Ben, but obviously with Amon Rob there, he cues at it.
But through the whole thing, he says selfishly I would want this, but the team probably wants something else. Got it.
Okay. And he ended it with, okay, so he goes, Ben Johnson? If that happens, yeah, but then if it's not, well, it is what it is.
Yeah, that is what he said. Chuck, you're so mad about this.
Chuck hates it. It sounds like you are not very thrilled about this particular interview.
This is the face of the franchise. You're that dude, so you have to understand

the responsibility that comes with that.

And it's not the response

is just not going on

the St. Brown Brother pod.

It's a good show.

It's a good show.

I appreciate that.

I love those two dudes.

I was on it one time earlier this year.

Whoa.

So must have done a hell of a job

because it was one and done.

Yeah, well.

And I love the St. Brown Brother.

There's a lot of podcasts

that are like that,

that just,

once you're a guest, you know, you kind of move on. You were on it.
Chuck Pagano episode there with the Amon Ross St. Brown Brothers.
Excited to listen. What's the other? It's a...
It's just, they just had me on a little deal, you know, a bet deal, like give them prop bets. Their dad.
Their dad is you. Yeah.
Bodybuilder. Those guys are hard workers.
These guys are doing squats like at an age like you're not supposed to do squats. Isn't their mom an Olympian, too? Hard worker.
Yeah. The traits that you're looking for.
Got them. Feels like they got them.
Does Caleb? We shall see. He also, Caleb, did get duped by the fake Ben Johnson texting him, saying like, hey, just going to let you know.
I'm going to take the job. And Caleb fell for it hook, line line, and sinker.
Yeah, there was a face to him. No way.
No way. Let's see what karma.
They talked about it. Karma's real.
You know, just shut up and work. Well, is the Bears – 36 years as a football coach, Chuck Pagano, standing at an age of – What? You tell me.
How old are you? 64. Okay.
Shut up and work is his take on the entire situation. I think there's probably a lot of people.
I'm all for guys having a platform. Agreed.
And using it. But when it becomes a distraction to the head coach and every part of the organization and front office, whoever.
Virginia McCaskey, she's 102 years old. She don't need to hear that.
She can't. She's not hearing that.

For sure.

She was dialed into this one.

She's not hearing that.

Yeah, she is.

You've been in there.

Is it as big as a dumpster fire as it seems?

Because it has, for quite some time, felt like an absolute shit show.

Get the right leader in there, and you got yourself something.

It's one of the most, I mean, they started playing ball there.

It was freaking Curly Lambeau and George Howell.

Just completely irrelevant to what I'm asking.

Is it a complete shit show in there right now and when you were there or no?

No.

Just not good at football?

You got to make, like, good decisions at certain, you know.

Every day.

Is there organizational alignment, as we have said the last few times, regarding team?

They have a president, I think, in Warren.

They have a general manager in polls.

They're looking for a head coach.

So when you look at ownership and you look at president and you look at, you know, general manager, those things, you pillars in place now the right pillars we're gonna find out okay so now kevin warren's an interesting cat i assume he's had to do something to get the gigs that he gets the feng shui he's a master that was amazing on hard knocks i did appreciate listening to the former big Ten commissioner lay out how sweets should have,

because he watched Bar Rescue with John Taffer.

Correct.

A couple times.

Which would be a good...

Not a bad...

I mean, he is the guy.

Not a bad teacher.

Taffer's the guy to let you know.

Yeah.

He'd open us up.

We got a funnel in here.

Bad energy, bad vibes.

I fucking...

Hey.

That show, Bar Rescue, got me through a couple training camps.

Yep. That and Pawn Stars.
Just binging right through them What a run What a run both those shows had What a run You still watching Squid Game? It's been tough for me to get going on Is that season 2? Yeah I watched a couple episodes of the first one So the issue I'm having is I watched the reality show game of Squid Games. Is that Mr.
Beast? No. No, that's a whole other one.
Netflix did one. They did like a game show Squid Games.
Lady ended up winning it with rock, paper, scissors, you remember? It was awesome. My.
My. The guy that she was playing against was like, I was just throwing random.
And she was. Yeah, CIA analyst.
Yeah, she was actually beating him. Gets the key.
So I'm struggling with remembering what last season was versus what my run was in Squid Games. And then also you put on top of it that it's clearly dubbed.
It's been hard for me to get into season two. I'm going to say it's been hard for me to get into season two.
I can't do the dubs. To your point, I have to just watch and read.
Really? So you're reading the whole season? Oh yeah, because I can't do the dubs. You're reading the whole season? Yeah, I did for the first season.
I haven't started the second yet, but I'll do that again. I've done it for a couple shows.
How do you know? Korean. Korean.
What do you mean? I don't know what the... The dubbed kind of stinks, so I might have to switch to the...
The dubbed is terrible in all of those shows. It definitely changes the dubbed.
Is the first one dubbed? Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. I can't read a whole season.
No way. I guess I haven't seen any of it then.
If you do it that way, though, you can't watch it. If you're at all tired or you're in bed or about to, you can't watch it because you'll miss so much so much shit like you actually have to be locked in and like commit like okay i'm gonna watch this episode right now so the issue is the dub acting has to be good and then the acting acting has to be good correct so now we got a couple different people that need to figure it out while i'm watching and there's been a few deliveries of some lines, I assume, and some key moments where I'm like,

I can't think. It sucks.
I will say the dub this year is a lot better because they obviously did

it for the American watchers compared

to season one when it was just made for Korean.

It's kind of redundant, but I watch it

dubbed with the subtitles on.

Definitely. So I'm reading it

and I'm hearing the

dub and I'm not focusing on the

mouth mismatching the dub. And I normally

don't do that with shows, but I've been able to do it with this

one and it's helped. I have captions on

I'm going to go, and I'm not focusing on the mouth mismatching the dub. And I normally don't do that with shows, but I've been able to do it with this one, and it's helped.
I have captions on everything, just in case, just to catch what's potentially happening. I like having captions, too.
But I have to hear, though. I wouldn't be able to do the Korean and English there.
I would not be able to. It's awesome.
I mean, granted, I've done this for now, Shogun. Yeah, but you're like a reader, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't hate you.
And you are a reader as well. Shogun was all dubbed.
So you guys are much better readers than I am. I think I can't keep up with everything.
It makes you a better reader. I think having a closed caption in there makes you a better reader.
It forces you to at least do it and look at it. Internet videos need the...
No doubt. Need the...
Big time. Yeah.
You might as well not put a video on the internet without them. We do everyday live clipping, but any video that we make that isn't live it's like, have to have the caption on it.
Because there's people that can't have sound where they are and just kind of want to read it and see what the hell happened. I haven't had sound on for years.
And if I accidentally do, it's startling. Whoa, je little with the the brightness in there yeah that's a good each that was a good development yeah having to hold that thing down before yeah one of their best ones I haven't I have the new phone I haven't opened the box I'm worried to do the whole transition oh god that can be so especially when you 100 years old Yeah No but that's why you have Kids and someday you're going to be Sitting in my seat in my shoes And Mackenzie's going to be the one walking you through Everything.
No because we grew up in the Technology area. Yeah but there's going to be something new Yeah the kids are ahead of it The kids are ahead.
You think we did the We had our tech boom for our generation i mean yeah just like thinking about ours the booms you'll never be on par with your kids though your kids will always be ahead technology my daughter 21 months she knows how to open the thing put the code in find out i mean she's not even two years old yet and she knows exactly where and if she can't figure it out she's grabbing my hand and moving it to the place where hey need to scroll this thing she doesn't have the ability to scroll it is wild watching her pick it up like that and there's a lot of i i've seen a lot of people on the internet say well she has too much screen time she already knows that whole thing it's like i created a business off my phone so i'm very okay with my daughter it's a big high horse situation yeah yeah but also to your high horse i will i will i will grandstand back if we're going to do this my daughter understanding how to navigate social media and the internet in tech is a massive advantage in the world that we are in right now so acting like it's a negative which i can see how it would be but i think the negative would be if she isn't proficient at this type of shit so that's a tough that's a tough little game that is gotta make it a positive you gotta like let's let's make this is the world you're growing up in how do we make it a positive for you and can't be all day the negative of course not like if you can like if your kids can sit there and edit videos at 10 years old on an ipad that's pretty impressive i've had had them do that for my, I sent my kids like a bunch of like pictures and videos that, hey, can you make something for mom's birthday? Boom. Like my 12 year old, 11 year old sitting there and can put something together that it's two minutes long and has cool music.
That's awesome. Yeah.
Like there will be things I think for sure. But I think the grand, huge change.
I mean, I just think of how far, like how far cell phones have come since your first, like my first cell phone, your first cell phone, your first... It's night and fucking day.
You couldn't even really get on the internet. What's the next step? The chips? Probably, but I don't think that's going to happen during our...
Everybody's kind of embracing AI at the moment. I heard some musicians, I think it was was timbaland maybe producer timbaland was like uh i think it was him might have been another dj producer that basically said like hey these young up and coming be you better learn how to utilize ai as your tag team partner and then i think like graphic designers are saying the same thing like obviously ai has capability to do things quicker than you would ever be able to do it.

But they miss out on the – there's a human element that can be added to the AI.

So it's almost like the tag team partner of AI is going to be the future, it feels like.

And then inevitably what, Nick?

You know what's going to happen.

AI is going to do whatever it wants.

It's going to get sick of listening.

It's going to get sick of the old tag team.

It's going to Shawn Michaels, Marty Jannetty super kick through the glass and we're done for.

It's not going to Seth Rollins' chair or Roman Reigns

break up the shield. Oh yeah.
I hope there's a chance.

We don't need you. You need us.

Become sentient. And we're going to say,

Oh, mama.

I'm in fear of all my

life from the long

long of the lie. The fuck was that? Somebody just tried to hit the...
Is that what that was? What was it? It sounded like it. I know, but I can hear Chuck's deaf things in my ear going off.
I can as well. Oh, yeah, I hear a little trumpet.
Okay, good. Yeah, something was up.
You touched your shit during the break? No. Oh, you have them over there? Why are they here? I turned them off.
Nope. They did not.
Those are supposed to be over there. This is the end of the season.
Let's wait for the Super Bowl. We're ending the season just like we started it.
Did we not learn our lessons? This is something I said. I turn them off.
It doesn't work. AI turned them on.
Because you started talking about AI. You're talking about China yesterday.
Talking about TikTok. They knew I had that shit up here because they're tracking my ass.
Bingo. And all of a sudden they get me in trouble on this show.
Could be China. Get you guys fired up.
They turn these sumbitches on. Before we go too far down this road, did Bill just murder someone? I don't know.
What was that? Was that Mitt doing the... He could be lifting or...
He could be trying to do the part in that song where it's... That wasn't right.
Are they off now? Can you still hear them? Actually, no. Do you want to know what wasn't right? Me.
I apologize. In that situation.
But that was AI. Okay.
Got any more shout outs? Oh, really? Miss Terry's birthday was yesterday. Oh, yeah.
Happy birthday, Miss Terry. Happy birthday.
Happy birthday. Now, say something, Gump.
That's a shout out. That's not condolences.
No, every time I do shout-out. You understand what it is.
You ain't going to go after Sabre. You understand what shout-out means.
You know your place. All year.
All year. We're fucking divisional, playoff round.
Didn't learn a damn thing all year, coach. Same as week one.
That's why the Bears are shite. Oh, no.
Why'd you go after them? Because you just told us they were going to be good. They're obviously

not. Yeah, you're wrong.
They got no

hope. On that note,

let's pick some games. Hell yeah.

You got confidence at an all-time high now after that

burial of Gumpy?

I apologize. Bill, what happened? I love Gump.

What was that sound?

Bill, you turn the corner,

fix your hat, do the whole song and dance.

Toss someone into a vat of battery acid somewhere. You can't see him behind Jabba.
Loves hiding behind Jabba. But he is getting absolutely jacked.
Jabba's doing a little one-two step. Love that.
I get a contract as a three-tech, Bill. I don't like that Bill posted on the internet.
The worst thing you can do is get a hobby and a thudder, though. He's not wrong.

First thing I said to him was, oh, yeah, man, you can't

do that.

But it's not a hobby. It's a lifestyle.
He's committing to it completely.

I'm proud of Bill. You just can't tell anyone

in here that you have a hobby.

It's not a hobby, though. That's what I'm saying.
He's committing his entire

life. Or lifestyle.
He's changed his whole

life. We will know, though.

Body's his temple, obviously. What's that?

Body's his temple. It hasn't always been like that, though.
Now he is a... Walked in.
What made him turn? What made him switch? I think he got beat up by like 10 guys. Oh.
That's what happened. Right, Bill? Yeah.
Yeah. Bill got beat up by like 10 guys, and then he said never again.
Miles Teller style. Never again.
Yeah. Downtown Indianapolis got jumped.
And he said, I'm not going to let that ever happen again. So now he's in the weight room every day.
It always has a side piece on him, so try him. And that's why we wonder what the sound was.
That's a 15-yard penalty right there. Yeah.
Illegal use of handgun. Chuck Pagano, 15 yards to keep it moving.
Can we do that? You can do old school. I think you can even do like a sword or a spear.
Oh, yeah, sure. I think you can maybe light a cannon.
Can you unsheathe the sword? Definitely. Can you? Because that kind of.
Yeah. And then you like have a little duel.
Okay. And then somebody even Yeah, someone's got to lean in.
Yeah. Please.
You should be able to do that. So New England has to get rid of the...
Muskets? Muskets, yeah. No, no, no.
It doesn't count, once again, because New England invented America. So they're like, you know what? Let's let them keep...
How about the muzzleloaders up there? Always working. Always.
Those are not a high percentage operation, especially with how quickly everybody has to turn around.

They fucking...

They walked in.

They're still in the militia.

It's a great celebration.

They're still in it.

I assume those gentlemen participate in the reenactment of...

You're talking about the...

Bam, bam, bam.

Bam, bam, bam.

Bam, bam, bam.

Bam, bam, bam.

Minute men?

Yes, bingo.

Missy Elliott banger right there.

She didn't want no one minute man, but we needed him.

Thank you. Ba-ba-da, ba-ba-da, ba-ba-ba-da-da.
Minute men? Yes, bingo. Missy Elliott banger right there.
She didn't want no one-minute man. But we needed him.
And a revolutionary award, didn't we? And they came through, didn't they? Let's make some picks. Chuck Pagano's going to come through for us.
Divisional weekend. Chuck, AJ and I will not be doing the picks.
You will be the only one here. We will make our picks tomorrow officially as we learn more.
And this is on Thursday before we know Zay Flyers, for instance. He is not at practice again today.
Yep. That is a big deal.
We'll know more tomorrow, especially rolling into the weekend. Let's start with the Texans and the Chiefs.
Chiefs favored by eight at home. J.J.
Watt went on a diatribe, a monologue, about how the Texans not only have C.J. Stroud in offense with Nico Collins back, but also a defense that's championship caliber.
He was Derek Stingley, Lasser on the other side, Daniil Hunter, the boys up front, the linebackers, Aziz Alshair is back. They got a defense that can win the Super Bowl.
Well, they have a team that beats the Chiefs in Kansas City. Chuck, how do you see the game going? What are your thoughts? I think they keep it close.
I think they do. I think you know, you got Daniil Hunter and Will Anderson.
They got 23 sacks between them. This rookie Bullock, the safety, he's got five picks along with Stingley's five.
So ten between those two guys, they're humming. And we saw the, you know, when he got back in there, now he's a little bit.
Is he healthy? He went back from that groin deal? He went out of that game. I don't know.
But you could feel him early in that game. They played earlier this season.
That was a one-score game. He lost by eight in that ball game.
It was like a four- or five-point game. And then Kansas City ran the ball, kind of ran that, took the air out of the game.
But they were right there. The only difference in that game, if you look at the rush yards, the pass yards, all those kind of things, it's pretty even.
Other than the one thing that we always look to, turnovers, decide a lot of these games other than score. They turn it over twice in that ball game.
C.J. Stroud did.
So who do you like? You like the Texans? I'm going to take Texans in the points. Okay.
Age, how do you feel about Chuck's pick there? Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly where I'm leaning yet, but yeah, Chiefs minus eight feels like a lot, but what if the Chiefs just become the Chiefs that we're used to? Yeah. Just pour it on them.
Yeah, agreed. And I think that's what the sportsbooks are potentially saying.
Even though they didn't score a point with Carson Wentz, a quarterback, final game of the season, they got blown out 35-0 or whatever the case was. Yeah, irrelevant side of the day is the Chiefs are 0-2 this year at 4 o'clock games.
They haven't played since December 25th either. They're starters.
Yeah, they took two weeks off. So what's first half? Especially after what the Texans have done in the last two weeks, they've played a lot better.
They were in a little bit of a schneid. Last two weeks, Titans, and obviously last week in the playoffs, they go on a little bit of an up.
Tank Dell had a big game for him in the regular season. He's obviously no longer there.
He caught a touchdown pass. That was your game.
CJ Stroud attended his funeral that day. They're best friends.
It's got to be Nico and I think Woods has a big day. Okay, so Texans plus 8 is where Chuck is on the first game.
Let's go to Saturday at 8 o'clock, nine points, Brett. Saturday at 4.30, Saturday at 8, both huge divisional round spreads.
And obviously Sunday six is still big. What are your thoughts on Commanders-Lions, Chuck Pagano? Again, I'm going dog here.
I'm going to take the points. I think the Lions win, but I'm going to take the Commanders.
Detroit has against mobile quarterbacks. Oh, no.
You know, you look at Anthony Richardson. He had over six yards, you know, per carry.
He played pretty good against these guys. They didn't score any – they scored six points in that game.
But I just think, you know, they haven't seen Daniels. He's an athletic quarterback.
They played Buffalo early in this year, and Josh had his way as well, running around on this defense. Uh-oh.
Yeah, so, but the one thing is, you know, you get Montgomery back for the Lions. Again, I think they'll win the game, but I don't think they'll cover.
That's too many points. But you got the number six rush offense in Detroit going against Washington, who was number 30th in rush defense.
Oh, no, so nine's no problem. No problem.
On Ford Field? Remember, other teams can score on the lines. It doesn't matter.
That's like their thing. Like, yeah, you guys are allowed to score.
You can't keep up. They're just dangerous.
It's just all the pressures on Detroit. There's no pressure on Washington.
They've already exceeded all expectations by a million. So they're playing with house money.
They're going to go in there loose. Quinn's loose anyway, so they're just going to play.
And so that's dangerous. Yeah, I agree.
Okay, so 8-9. Especially when you've got a weapon, a quarterback.
8-9, too big for Chuck to pass up. He'll take the dogs on Saturday.
Let's go to Sunday. Rams, Eagles, cross-country, short week.
We talked to Puka yesterday. He seems to have great vibes.
When is that ever not the case with Ouse over there who's unbelievable? Six-point favorites at home are the Big Dom-led Philadelphia Eagles. Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, Lane Johnson, an offensive line that's unbelievable.
A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith, Goddard's throwing bodies around at the tight end position.
A defense that is obviously great at all three levels, taking on Matthew Stafford in the Los Angeles Rams. A young defense that has come together late.
Matthew Stafford obviously able to spin it. They got weapons.
They got McVay's brain. How do you see this one going, Chuck? Kyron Williams running the rock.
Now they gave up 255 yards rushing to Saquon. First time they played in a regular season.
What week was that? That was, let me tell you, that was week 12. They lost 20-37.
But both those runs, he had 142 on two runs. So he had a 70-yard tutty and a 72-yard tut.
Start the second half. First running back to have two 70-plus-yard touchdowns and whatever.
I forget what the stat was. I'm remembering now from that.
You know, so Hurts was efficient. A.J.
Brown had a good day, six for 109 in that game. But totally different Rams team.
Totally different Rams team. You got Stafford, who's in a game like this, I ain't betting against him.
I think Philly wins his game just because they got the number one ranked defense. They're playing really good on that side of the ball, but if anybody can go spend that thing around Puka, Cooper Cup, Kyron Williams, and that defense right now, what Chris Shula is doing with that defense, I know D.
Butts talked about it yesterday. You guys watched it.
Nine sacks. Nine sacks.
And they were all, maybe only one was five men. Like all four men.
A lot of games. You know, Fisk, that curse is an animal.
Young on that side. They're going to put number 24, Williams.
He'll shadow A.J. Brown in this game.
They don't do that on Philly. They just play left and right.
Quinone plays the right side. Slay plays the left.
But they're going to match up on the other side. I like Stafford.
I like the Rams going in here. All of the dogs thus far.
Eight-point spread, nine-point spread, six-point spread. Chuck says this is going to be much closer games than the books seemingly think.
Divisional weekend? These are the best eight teams in the league. Need it.
We're going to have great games. We're not going to have blowouts.
It's going to be one-score games. That's why you have picked the way that you've picked.
Now let's go to the big one, the headliner, the marquee, MVP versus MVP runner-up. Two seasons that are going to be historic one way or another.
Ravens, with the addition of Derrick Henry, have gone back to their powerful, explosive ways. But Lamar Jackson's thrown it better than he ever has.
The Buffalo Bills coming into the season. They lost basically 90% of the players that we know on their roster.
Josh Allen's going to get a chance to take a team on his back. How far can he go with it? Well, home game, divisional round, Buffalo Bills.
Who do you like? How do you like it? One-point spread. Ravens are favored going into Buffalo.
Weather update, please, in what the game is going to be. It is going to be 12 degrees, I believe.
That kick feels like negative three with some snow. Cold as hell.
It's going to be a Buffalo game here in the divisional round. Chuck Pagano? Just how they like it.
The Buffalo Beals? No, the Ravens. Oh! Yeah, the one favorite I'm going to go with is them.
I just think Lamar, Derrick Henry. Derrick had 190, 199 yards against him in that 35-10.
35-10. The first time he touched the ball, he went 87.
85-10. 87.
35-10. And you know that Buffalo loves to play nickel.
Right, AJ? They love to play nickel. Taron Johnson is that nickelback number seven.
He got knocked out of the game last week, came back and played. He'll be in there.
But they play small ball, and they don't care what you line up in. You can be in 22.
You can be in 12. You can be whatever.
They're going to put that group on the field and live with that group. So I just think Lamar, Derrick Henry, Zay, whether he plays or not, you've got Mark Andrews, you've got Bateman, you've got Aguilar, you've got Isaiah Likely, and Lamar's not going to be denied.
Josh Allen, same thing. They both deserve envy.
I don't care who gets it out of either one of them. Congrats to both.
They're both more than – I wish they'd just split it between them. Yeah, but then they both get cooked for that, even though it wouldn't be their decision.
No question, because that's what we do. That's what we love to do.
You talked about Buffalo Beals playing small ball on defense side. You said they don't care if it's 22 or 12.
Just for people that don't know, 22 is two running backs, two tight ends. And the two running backs would be Derrick Henry and Patrick Ricard, both over 240, one of them being 280 pounds.
And then Mark Andrews and likely would be the two tight ends. And then Lamar Jackson, the fastest person on the field, would be the quarterback with the ball in between all of that.
So there's a lot of meat, and then there's a lot of explosion. It could be 22X.
Another. So you put another big lineman in there.
So you got another 320-pounder at the point, and then Mark Andrews. So if you don't want Andrews and Likely out there, you just put 22x.
You get even bigger.

And the Ravens will do that.

Yep.

And they will do that.

And the defense?

They played good.

Since the bye, last five weeks, like 11 points a game,

250 total yards a game, and like third down, they're 31%.

If you're 31%, you're number one in the league right now

getting off the field. Chuck McGonagher doesn't care about home field advantage in the division round.
Took everybody every away team on the weekend. Let's now go to the National Championship on Monday night.
Obviously, we will have a show on Monday live from Atlanta, the home of the National Championship. Then there will be a college game day.
And then the game will be taking place at 7.30 p.m.m we will be doing a field pass on espn too if you'd like to join us for some stupidity or you go over to espn and i assume abc for chris fowler herb street and a real broadcast our dumbasses will be on espn too we're lucky to do that we can't wait to get down there ohio state notre dame ohio state favored by eight in the national championship we have seen blowouts in the national championship before recent history has showcased that and there has been obviously incredible games that have lived up to the title of the best in the country will howard riley leonard similar stories similar stories jack sawyer's got a lot to play for obviously captain jack sawyer the ohio kid loses to michigan gets into a fight with the people that are planning the flag says not on my watch and what has he done oh come back to lead the team basically to a natty he obviously wants it but so is xavier watts and the entire notre dame team marcus freeman 39 years old young upstart with a big brain has been able to rally a team that hasn't been able to have that much success in a postseason in a long time. Changes the roster, makes the magic happen, and Ryan Day, who has the weight of the entire world of Ohio on his shoulders at all times because how things have gone, that's the job as the Buckeyes head coach, just like it's a job as a Notre Dame head coach.
The way he's gotten his team to rally since the most devastating loss they've seen in some time

is nothing short of miraculous.

Eight-point favorites

in Atlanta for the Natty.

Chuck Pagano. Who do you like?

How do you like it?

I like A.J. Hawks, Buckeyes.

Oh, quick pick. I just think that

best thing that ever happened to him,

and I hate it for him because of how the

people are and the fans and all that, but getting beat by Michigan, obvious wake-up call, what they did to Tennessee, and then what they did to Texas, right? Or did I miss one in there? Oregon. They had to win.
Oregon. Or go to Oregon and boat race them.
Yeah. Like that was 31-0 before they could blink, right, or something like that? Yeah.
Played bad against Texas, I think. Yeah.
From watching from watching aj isn't it weird that it feels like we have um you know doing these field passes and we missed one of notre dame's games so uh i think yeah we georgia we weren't at georgia yeah we weren't in notre dame georgia whenever that took place that was a massive one down there at sugar bowl so we weren't there for that particular game we've been on the field for every ohio state game and it's like I don't want to say it feels like we're embedded with it but embedded means like on the inside but we have seen everything they have done over the last three weeks. Sideline altercations, pregame warmups, vibes in warmups, how they come out of the tunnel in the second half, plays that are being made in the biggest stage.
It's like watching them play against Texas is like, oh, this is nowhere near Ohio State's best effort. Like this is nowhere near.
Two score win over Texas. You know, and it's like they're not going to make those same mistakes again, or are they? Like it's who they played against Tennessee and Oregon, not who they actually are.
This is who they are. That's the big question.
Because I'm not 100% sure you can make those mistakes against his Notre Dame team. His Notre Dame team I I think, will drag you down there.
I think they will take you into the deep water. I think that's how they play.
I think they like playing like that. I think they're proud of the fact that they play like that.
So it's like, you know, Ohio State get back to playing massively efficient football like they have been. I mean, that's the question of the game.
I think they can with all the talent that they have. For sure.
I think that is really good. They runner, 32.
Travion Henderson. When they decided to blitz that first play in that two-minute drill.
Screen. That screen right behind it.
I've been on the end of one of those. Oh my God.
Hopeless. You know who it was? Chris Johnson.
Remember how fast that cat was? Yeah, 4-2. at East Carolina.
Yeah. No, at North Carolina.
We were playing at East Carolina. He was the running back for...
Yeah, he said nickel hot. Let's run Volcano.
Okay, good idea. Let's throw a screen right behind it.
80. Was that early in the game? It looked just like this.
Was that early in the game? First series. Yeah, so that kind of sets the tone, too, on what he's about to do.

Chris Johnson, Y2J, whenever he started rolling,

it was like he took the top off early.

Travion Henderson, obviously, at the beginning of that game,

gets a 15-yard penalty.

Almost gets benched because he cost his team.

Nick Saban came over and was like, hey, this whole game changed

when Travion Henderson decided to smack that guy in the face

and set him back behind the sticks, and then they haven't been able to do anything since. And it was like literally the next play.
Travion Henderson decided to smack that guy in the face and set him back behind the sticks and then they haven't been able to do anything since and it was like literally the next play Travion Henderson was in and he was able to get back and make right at the exact time it's like that team's humming so is Notre Dame though so is Notre Dame hell yeah their fans are telling me they're fun to watch fun they're a gritty team Riley Leonard's a better passer than people give him credit for too agreed he reallyed. He really is.
I think he's gotten better, certainly. I think people judge him like maybe last year when he was at Duke or beginning of the season, how he's doing and yada, yada.
It's like he's clearly been working and getting better at everything. And his leadership is remarkable.
That team's big, too. That offensive line, they had to deal with backups at different places.
They had the depth

to be able to handle it against Penn State.

It's like...

How much do you want to run if you're the quarterback?

How many QB runs do you want to have

when we've seen guys getting their heads

taken off multiple times throughout the playoffs?

Riley, King County.

Arch got in for one play.

He got the first down,

but man, he took a shot. A lot of people are wondering why he wasn't in on the first and goal from the one.
I think from our perspective, we thought Arch potentially got dinged. I assumed he was dinged, but that dude got up and he was all right.
He did get up and it never got announced. But, like, first and goal at the one-yard line, with the way they had been handling that, a lot of people were wondering why is Arch not on the field? He's kind of the running quarterback.
It's like, I think he got – I think that was a – it was – yeah. The ball came out, right? Yeah.
Yeah. But they ruled him down? He was down, yeah.
Riley's been their leading rusher carrier, carries-wise, in all three playoff games. He's fun to watch yeah great athlete good wiggle yeah watch his basketball highlights from high school if you just man want to milk check real quick yeah yeah guys unbelievable the ball we're lucky for it all good kid too yeah seems like it seems like everybody loves him same a little hard yeah it's got clever captions does on his instagram like that they're got to be paying him

a lot of money yeah the money we're hearing being floated out right now allegedly quinn yours turned down eight million dollars yeah i don't believe that for a second carson back allegedly getting four million dollars to go to miami but then it was reported it's three million dollars and then it was reported like who knows what's real and what isn't these days always have been sent up in there the ammo also told us didn't he 700 to 1 million yeah because

like if cam ward got what And then it was reported, like, who knows what's real and what isn't these days. Oh, because the incentives in there.
The AML also told us, didn't he, 700 to 1 million?

Yeah.

Because, like, if Cam Ward got, what, 1.1 was the report?

It's like you're telling me they were giving.

1.6.

1.6.

So you're telling me they gave Quinn years.

Yeah.

But Cam was kind of unknown.

Yeah, hearts and backs getting 4 million.

But we don't know if that's real. That's what I'm saying.

I don't believe anything.

If you got Will Howard and Quinn Ewers sitting there, who are you taking?

Me?

Yeah.

That's pretty obvious who I'm taking.

Yeah, it's easy.

And I'm now, yes.

After watching.

And $8 million, no chance.

No chance.

I mean, there's some teams.

Five, I would believe.

There's some teams, I think, alumni, I mean.

For four years, for sure.

But not just a one-year rental?

Yeah, for one year.

All you need is one donor.

That's all you need.

That has a lot of money.

That is like, this is what I want.

I want this to happen.

We know there's some running backs out there getting over a million,

so I wouldn't be surprised what any quarterback.

A lot of running backs getting over a million.

In the Big Ten, mostly. Beck don't care.
It's his girlfriend's goal. Bingo.
They're already doing TikToks, I heard. That's right.
He's worried about getting that elbow. Did you see the first one? Come on.
What about it? Shut up and play football. Exactly.
That's what the 60... Yep.
Four. Four-year-old football coach.
Ain't no Ken Dorsey, I'll tell you that. No, sir.
That guy was a dog. Dude's already a multimillionaire.
So is his girl. They can do whatever the hell they want.
That's how they view it, I think. I don't know if Carson Beck still viewed it as such an NFL guy.
That's why going down there could be a good year for him to obviously have success. I guess Alabama and Georgia allegedly were looking to Georgia bring Carson back

and then Alabama bring him over.

That would have been a big sighting for old Kalen DeBoer.

Did he hire Grubb, offense coordinator yet?

He should.

I wonder.

Not yet, I don't think.

All right.

That was supposed to happen, like, or already done.

Yeah, I wonder what happened.

Did it happen?

I don't know that.

But he's been let go, Seattle, right? Yeah. Yes.
You want to do a giveaway for the people? Oh, love to. What are you going to do? Throw a full ball? Oh, yeah.
Into that hoop right over there? Into that one. Are you going to make it? First try? Yep.
Probably got a pretty good shot. Yeah, you were pretty dialed in.
Before show? Mm-hmm. Yeah.
You were throwing some around? I warmed up.

You threw a couple.

Spinning it a little bit?

Got the wing loose.

I doubt it.

Wasn't a laser shot like Coach Holtz tone ended up taking.

Yeah, I mean, and then Coach Holtz said,

you can't be that naive, kid.

And then that's kind of what it was.

No, he just hit the right quartile.

Yeah.

Quadrant.

Are you supposed to listen to your coaches?

You think a quartile. Yeah, upper.
Upper quadrant or the upper quartile yeah quadruple are you supposed to listen to your coaches the court you think a quartile yeah upper upper quadrant of the upper quartile yes who is that ursa or chris watch uh american primeval too if you haven't yet jim's in it i heard yeah great cam yeah i saw this clip did you see a tough time to be in a show what it looked like it like it's audition tape. Because Jerry.
I mean, Jerry Jones had a...

Because with Jim, it's, hey, Jim was in, but did you see Jer?

In Landman.

Yeah.

I think both guys crushed it.

Jerry might win an award.

I've not seen the Jim one.

There's faces in it.

Certainly looked like Jim's kind of just sitting there shooting whiskey for about three seconds. certainly wasn't delivering a five minute One take monologue like Jared did How bad do you feel about that and Jerry? I don't feel bad at all I'm glad he can do it That just makes me think Next time you step up to the microphone Don't sound like you got a mouth full of dog shite And fucking say what you gotta say Act like Act.
Act like that, Jerry. Act like an actor.
Why are we surprised based on what he's done? I was not. That he could pull something like that off? Did you hear us? Did you see him talking in that press conference right before that? About Big Mike? Did you? What did it sound like?

Well, you're just

being on Mike. He kind of

had to do what

and listen, we might do

some... I mean, he just gibberish.

Marbles in his mouth and then you see

that land man and it's like, Jesus

Christ, it's fucking Daniel Day-Lewis out here.

It's unbelievable. So it leads you

to believe that, yeah, maybe he didn't. But, hey.
So to your point right there, like Landman, he knew the scene. He knew exactly what was required, what the expectations were, and had been in it, lived it.
Exactly. Great point.
Like, he's caught off guard with this. Like.
That's why you don't have a plan

planned. Caught off guard?

No, he thought he was going to get Big Mike back. I guarantee

you. It was up to him.
And then wasn't able to get a deal

done. Wasn't able to get a deal done.

That's the...

I don't have sources. I don't have anything.

That's going around the coaching

world right now. If Chuck

is saying it, he has a guy 36

years as a football coach. His group tech text consists of football coaches talking about football stuff he actually signed up for the 33rd team i believe so he could be around more football people doing more football stuff if you listen to lombardi did football his whole life what was he doing waking up at 5 a.m to go do football stuff with football people so i think what it sounds like from what chuck is saying, in the football coaching world, the conversation is, Jerry did want Mike back potentially at different terms than what Mike was thinking that he would be going back.
I think they just couldn't come to an agreement. I think Mike wanted a better uniform and didn't want to have to wear that hat anymore.
Who are you guys picking for the Jets as head coach? Which hat? Who are you guys picking at the 30-13 for the Jets head coach in gym? I'm not involved in that. When the 30-13 talks about it, they say, all right, give us every name that could be a football coach.
Go. Go.
And then they just have a stenographer. I have no idea what's going on.
They don't like you in this? And they just send that over to Woody? Apparently. No.
They don't trust you. That's weird.
No, I mean, they hired Mike T and a couple of guys that have been involved for a long time to help them with the search. Smart.
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. What if Mike T hires himself back? Do you think Mike T can find any other names that could potentially want to be interviewed for a head coaching job for the New York Jets? I haven't seen them all.
Have they interviewed a bunch of people? They used maximum characters on Twitter one time, which is impossible nowadays. You can write whatever you want on there to list off all the names that they're interested in talking to.
It was like 17, 18 people, 20 people. What are the prognosticators saying who it's going to be? Aaron Glenn.
Because they've been bringing in a head coach and a GM together. Aaron Glenn is who I think a lot of people are piecing together.

Yeah, you said they pair up.

So like the assistant GM at KC and Matt Nagy,

and then I think Ryan and B-Flow.

And I don't know who the rest of them were,

but I think they're trying to get that.

A lot of teams now are trying to get that right

as they're walking in the door, that component, that relationship. And that's always going to work.
Mm-hmm. Are we doing a giveaway or what? It's like Lombo said, until you lose.
Yeah, until you lose. Then who's in charge? You need one supreme commander.
Did you hear that word? I guess those words, that title, age? Oh, yeah. I mean, Lombo's used that for a while, but it does.
A lot of times when you say Supreme Commander, it's usually not in a positive light when they're speaking about someone, right? Lombo's used Supreme Commander a lot? Yeah, he's used it before on his podcast. Oh, I haven't heard.
He hasn't said it to me because that's my first time hearing it. I was like, what a hilarious way to describe something.
We get what you're saying, too. We understand exactly what you're saying.
Very true. Need a supreme commander.
Just like New England. They got one.
One voice. One sound.
The bullshit. All right.
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I bought a bunch of cones. We're not giving you enough.
Going on right after the show then. I know.
I'm going to take one when I come with the Thunderdome. Sports business.
Why don't you buy one? I'll buy a bunch of them. I bought a bunch of a football thing.
No, no. We'll get them for you.
We'll get them for you. Age, we'll get them for the entire Hawk community.
We'll get it for the Paganos, obviously. Yeah, we're in.
We want you to enjoy life and have a catch. Toss around a ball.
Go outside. Touch grass.
Yeah. Spin the rock.
Maybe kick one. Get yourself prepared for an opportunity.
I can't wait to get with my grandsons. Hey, get on the floor or get off the floor.
Bingo. Off the court.
Get on the floor or get off the court. Get the message.
Dan Rolovsky to Noah, who did not build the Ark. How old were those boys? Twelve.

Eleven?

Seven.

Eleven.

Yeah.

Noah, Hunter, and then I don't know.

He didn't say the other one's name.

I've run into them a few different times.

Cool group.

It's a cool group of kids.

And then his daughter is like the coolest of them all.

She's awesome.

Older or younger?

Younger.

The lads, though, they always dress the same.

They do. Yeah, definitely.
The lads are all dressed the same, you know, when they're walking to places. That's something.
They're probably not going to like whenever they get older. Yeah.
But it's just kind of how it goes. Could you imagine having triplets? Imagine those first three weeks.
Holy shit. First three weeks.
Imagine when those kids are like two to five, too. Yeah, there's a lot.
All of it. I don't know how they –'t know how they can really it's gonna be really cool now like they gotta be their own little wolf pack now yeah they got a team here you know and then holidays going forward are gonna be big whenever they become adults it's a big family but it's like those first three weeks i think i thought of the orlovskys a couple times like triplets how are you i thought of john and kate plus eight sure when i first had kids yeah but they did that on purpose right didn't they well did they want to have that many

or they because yeah they really want to have that many i think it was something where they

wanted to become famous i think oh if i remember right that ended up being pretty nasty i think

i think john did not work out john and kate and the eight are i think in a certain different spot

i watch that a little bit that seemed crazy these cults that have like 13 14 kids

Thank you. I think John did not work out.
John and Kate and the eight are, I think, in a certain different spot. I watched that a little bit.

That seemed crazy.

These cults that have like 13, 14 kids.

Yep.

That feels wild.

There's a couple of religions.

I think they're going to reproduce their way into dominance.

Oh, yeah.

World dominance.

It's not a terrible idea.

Some of them have.

Bingo.

That's a conversation for another day.

I'm not going to get into that. Aaron would.
I don't even want to get into that. I think we should get into it.
Did you see TGL? Ratings are up from week one to week two. Tiger golfing brings eyes.
The Tiger bump, right? I guess. We got figured out.
Well said, coach. Chuck loves golf, too.
I think Chuck did not like it. I've moved away from it quicker than Sam did.
When you said Sam walked away after four minutes, I lasted three. Did you see Tiger? Yeah, I left right after Rocky and the intro.
You didn't like the intro? The intro was awesome. You didn't even give the golf a chance.
Freaking clown show. It's new.
It's innovative. It's energetic.

They got a lot of work to do because there's people

who invested in that. I'm sorry, but

you're going to have

to come up with something else. Ratings

went up. Ratings went up.

We trust

everybody that throws the ratings out, right?

It is

hard because they put us into that world now and I'll'll get like a, you know, FOSO. We love FOSO.
FOSO will be like, can I put out like a ratings report on the show? And I'm like, kind of kills our gimmick about how ratings don't mean anything. Kind of kills our entire gimmick.
But it feels like we should say, this is always FOSO's, it feels like we are obligated to say that it's it's doing good and then i immediately go doing good in whose eyes who's saying it's who's saying it's doing good because then we kind of legitimize something that we've always been like how the fuck do they know like in the modern world with the different devices and streaming and dvr let alone all the different platforms and you want to how do they know unless it's on one platform that completely opens up its books and you can see exactly how many things how do you know what any of it is well it's a projection from boxes that are in it's like okay that makes sense but i'm sure nielsen knows and if they're all being judged on the same platform i I guess that's what makes it a level playing field. So TGL was up from week one to week two, allegedly.
And then the Pacers Cavaliers beat it by a little bit. So it almost won the evening from the ratings that were being reported by however they get those.
However they get those and what those mean. TGL over a million now.
Yeah. It's a lot of people.
It's a lot of people on a Wednesday night or Tuesday night, whatever it was. Tuesday night.
Nothing's on, and I went to bed and started reading. Love golf.
And I'm like you. I hate reading, but I'm forcing myself.
I'm on this hard 75 deal kick. What's that? No booze.
Hard. Okay.
No booze. No boo booze no booze diet a lot of yeah i do my gummies okay yeah all right welcome to life now what are we doing god i got some new ones for christmas and i've been up in the deal yeah i'm having like some wild like sleeping like a baby.
Yeah, good dreams. Great dreams.
Punching, I mean, wake.

Miss Danis. Like some wild, like sleeping like a baby.
Yeah, good dreams. Great dreams.
Punching. I mean, waking.
Miss Tina. Eating so much.
You see, my dreams are crazy. Waking up in a puddle.
What is that, you're up 10? 10 milligram? Waking up on all fours. Hard 75.
Sploog everywhere. Why am I on all fours? More like hard 75.
What the hell is going on? Where did this food come from? Cat and camel. Hey, these are good.
What is it, 10 milligrams? You know? Cat couldn't scratch that thing. All right.
Check your eyes. He needs new shoots.
He's got some boner pills in the gummies. 10 milligrams? And are you sure they're edibles? And we spiking those with anything else? Miss Tina, potentially.

So it's a combo. It's got

CBD and THC.

Yeah, do you know how much?

2.5. Each.

Oh, okay. You still got a ways

to go. Good news for you.

The only thing I ever think of

is when you throw out this

120 number and I'm like, there's no fucking way.

Yeah, it's not just a one piece. That is a combination of what's potentially in you at a time.
No, but I can't even imagine. Those are good days.
The hallucinations I would have. Those are wild days.
AJ is actually a funny character in this entire thing because he has a craps table, basically, of these things. Because there'll be like a 5 milligram one, and then there'll be a 20 milligram one one and then there'll be a 20 milligram one and then he'll have a 62 milligram one somehow and they're all in the same bottle and they all look the exact same hey do you want 10 or 60 uh could be either okay sweet let me go ahead and dive in i guess and then you just wait and then you find out over the next 10 20 minutes while you're in a plane it's a good good time, H.
You're one of the most entertaining distributors, I think,

of Edibles that I've ever been around in my entire life.

Could be five, could be 27.

That's part of it, right?

Isn't that part of it?

No, that's what you said.

10 or 44 is a wild move.

Yeah, Gump was right there in front of me

whenever it was all taking place.

Hey, I got an extra one.

You want this?

That was a rare instance where I didn't know the exact situation. Yeah, I'm sure.
I think it's probably smart to know. Oh, yeah.
I know. I know.
Yeah, that's old school. I think, yeah.
Back before the commercialization of edibles and THC and everything like that and science and medicine coming in and saying what it benefits and what it doesn't benefit and what you're able to do and all that shit you know this used to be done just by whoever happened to see a YouTube video or know somebody older than them that was able to make the butter that had weed inside of it and if somebody knew how to make the butter then they were kind of in control of an afternoon or two and uh they had no idea how much to put in there so they're like hey you gotta put an ounce in here that's that we gotta put an ounce in here for an entire thing of brownies and then some people come in need two ounces to put in here this is what i've been taught you know and then you try to act like they know what the fuck they're talking about but who knows if that was distributed equally who knows how much it actually was per bite like the roll of the dice of the homemade edibles back day, brownies more specifically, you had no clue what you were signing up for. You had no idea.
I had one to copy for 24 hours. I don't know.
I think if you were to compare it to milligrams, it might've been a 200 milligram brownie that I ate. And I think the guy that made it was like, you should not eat that whole thing.
And I was like, it's going to be too crazy. And then 24 hours later, I was still feeling it.
it so where we are now much better than where it used to be whenever it comes to like predicting what it could be unless you got like an aj who says hey this could be like an eight hour thing or like a hour and a half thing for the flight you tell me and that's that's kind of the game i guess that's kind of the game in there two and a half though you're in a good spot the cbd and thc ones i enjoy a lot makes your joints feel better i think it does make me feel more comfortable. I think those are good.
I think it's a good split. Two and a half though, you're in a good spot.
The CBD and THC ones, I enjoy a lot. Makes your joints feel better.
I think it does make

me feel more comfortable. I think those are good.

I think it's a good split. Two and a half

though, you still got, which is good news,

not bad news. You still got a lot of room

to get to where AJ

tries to get to. AJ's like,

you want a potential coma?

I got one right here. No, it does the opposite.

It gives you energy. You straighten your right

knee and you get above a certain amount.

It's great for the joints. Tim McAfee,

anti-smoking forever, you know?

Thank you. I got one right here.
No, it does the opposite. It gives you energy.
You straighten your right knee, and you get above a certain amount.

It's great for the joints.

Tim McAfee, anti-smoking forever, you know?

Hippies.

I don't want to be a fuck associated with a hippie.

Never.

Smoking dope.

I ain't doing that.

I say, nope, the dope, Tim McAfee said.

Then he had an edible, and he's like, my knees feel a little better.

It's great.

My shoulders.

What are these things?

I'm all, this ain't. Yeah.
This ain yeah yeah tim it's happy this state i think is having a vote today or tomorrow indiana to potentially medicinal which is good because there's people you think it'll pass do we have enough it's very conservative isn't it very Medicinal is so different, though. I could see that going.

Recreation never, but I could see a medicinal.

New governor, so it would be a new kind of voice in the entire thing.

And Holcomb did a lot of great things here in Indiana.

I think people would say they appreciate what he did in his gubernatorial run and era here in Indiana.

But the weed thing, any time it was brought up in any of these campaigns locally, it was always,

I need to see more research.

I'll see see more research. I need to see more research.
I need to see more research. And it's like, it feels like there's a lot of research out there, especially for medicinal, for real things like arthritis and let alone the cancer, leukemia, all that type of stuff.
And then also the alternative, what it is, big pharma, what that has happened.

So I think the ball's rolling.

I think the ball's rolling.

Anytime we get to a state, though, where it's obviously legal,

we can't bring it back to us, back to Indiana.

So we've got to eliminate it somehow.

And that is. You can go suck down all the marbles you want in this state

and drink all the damn beer and whiskey.

And cannabis is actually, you say medicinal and good for you, but we're okay with the others. Well, you got a lot of big politics to play there.
Big tobacco. Big tobacco.
Yep. Big alcohol.
Big pharma. Also, who said cigs and alcohol is not good for you? All right.
Some idiot. Okay.
All right, Chuck, let's do a giveaway, shall we? 30 people, $500 on this big-time Aaron Rodgers Thursday, January 16, 2025. Chuck, all you got to do is put the ball into the hoop right over there.
If you're able to accomplish that task, 30 people are going to be $500 richer. How do you feel about that? Pretty good? I feel really good.
AJ, how do you feel about Chuck putting this thing in there? I feel really good. I think this first try, he's going to drain it.
Amen. Chuck, do it for the people.
Your cactus jacks.

Oh, no.

Holy hell.

What the hell?

You didn't see that coming.

It's going to get loose again.

Where's he going?

What are you doing?

What are you doing?

Good gate. Not bad.
It is a good is a good gate Oh, just getting the ball? There's another one over there That's lava Jeez, Bill is jacked Bill is jacked Beefcake Welcome to the show Beefcake, Bill It's a house It's a scary individual Chuck walked it off I appreciate him doing that Take a Take a lap, Chuck. Take a lap.
Take the long way home.

Sit it down.

Yep.

That never happened.

Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano will attempt to win 30 people $500.

All he has to do is put that football into that hoop right over there.

In the cactus, Jack.

Shout out to Travis Scott.

Oh.

It's more like it.

It would have been nice.

That's what we're talking about.

That was a good shot. Hey, Coach Lou Holtz has something to say to you.
Listen, I'm going to refer to you as Charlie because you're younger than me. If I were to coach you, I probably would have called you Charlie.
That first fucking throw, I'll tell you what, you would have never played for me, son, ever. Throwing like that, that second throw, that's what I'm talking about.
I saw you out here earlier. Throwing pretty good.
Enough with the excuses. Old man, you know, I hear you talking about your gummies and your joints and all this shit.
Act like you want it, for Christ's sake, okay? Fucking put it in the hoop, all right? I'm sick and tired of this sad sack bullshit. We got these people watching this show.
These good people. These God-fearing, nice people.
Men, women, Hulkamaniacs. There's probably a couple Hulkamaniacs watching the show as well.
That's great. How about you win them some money? Huh? How does that sound? Okay? Fucking throw the football.
Let's go. Throw that son of a bitch as hard as you can and make the fucking shot.
30 people, $500 potentially. Chuck Pagano! Oh, my, my.
Oh, my, my, my. This is real.
Thought I won it. That's right.
This is the one. Yep.
Tony Diggs, who's an AP voter, he has power in the say. He has something to say to you.

Chuck, normally I'm a selfish human being,

so I'd prefer you not to make this because it would embarrass me because I have not made one of these throws the last three attempts

that I've been on this stage.

But Coach Lou Holtz kind of inspired me to cheer for the good people out there,

the God-fearing people out there.

So I wish you the best of luck on this upcoming throw because I know you have it in your heart, and now you have it in your arm. God bless.
People are calling your last miss a rim job, saying that's what you've been dreaming about when you're on your edibles. Chuck Pagano, 30 people! Ooh.
Boy. You want this baby dude 2.0? Come on, we have two shots up.
We need one. You only get one shot.
One opportunity. Don't miss your chance to blow.
Because opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Yo.
30 people, $500. Boston Conner has something to say to you.
He said you looked at y'all earlier today. Yeah, yeah.
I don't think you have a chance. I think we've been doing this gimmick with you for I don't know how many weeks.
I can't remember the last time you made it. I'm so close.
I'm so close. Look at this.
Look at me. I'm an old guy, but I can still throw the football.
You have been close at all. Right in his face.
$30 people $500. Right in his face.
That's what we're here for. That's what we're here for.
You got doubters. You got haters.
You got a chance to do something about it. Chuck Pagano! Oh, was it close again? I didn't see.
That would have been the one. Was it close, guys? I didn't see it this time.
That would have been the best one of the season. It was real close.
Now Connor can go home celebrating. Bubba Campino, who obviously is pulling hard for Connie Pagano and everybody out there in Southern California, has a message for you, Chuck, about how you've been doing as of late in this particular game.
Chuck, there's an old saying. It says you're only as good as your last game.
What's happened this year does not matter if you make this last shot, brother.

Do you want to be remembered forever as a hero for 30 people to win $500?

Or do you want to be the guy that hasn't been able to get a Thursday night bet right?

Choice is yours, says Gumpy.

30 people, $500 with the...

That always happens when you go to the Duke.

It's too heavy for them.

Bonus ball.

No, it's gone.

It's gone forever.

Man.

It's a good attempt.

Another week.

I know you'll make it.

Thank you. That always happens when you go to the Duke.
It's too heavy for him. Bonus ball.
No, it's gone. It's too heavy.
It's gone forever. Man.
It's a good attempt. Another week.
I know you'll make it. I know you'll make it someday.
Bill almost got his head splattered off of the bus. That's real.
Yeah, he was very close. He did not know that.
You can talk about how loyal. I mean, that's a good one.
He didn't move. Yeah, he's locked in.
That's Bill. That's why nothing's a hobby.
It's a lifestyle.

Exactly.

That's Beefcake Bill.

That's right.

All right, we're out of here.

Can't thank you guys enough.

We'll be back tomorrow with a feel-good Friday,

and then we'll propel into Divisional Round weekend

with an attitude that's never been seen before.

Hell, yeah.

Such a positive one,

knowing that all the games are going to be fantastic.

Then on Monday,

not only do we have the National Championship Monday night,

we're going to be live in Atlanta. I think we've got some big time special guests stopping by hell yeah big time special guests might have been a little bit of a hint here today leave you at that be a friend tell a friend something nice might change your life like pizza hut has yeah did you see it pop up there i did we're in the middle of a conversation it was hard not to be like, pizza and wings, pizza and wings.
I know, my eyes just go right to it every time. It was hard not to, look at the cheese.
Oh, man. The perfectly placed pepperoni.
I know. Pepperoni.
Which team are you? Yeah, so. You don't gotta choose a team.
Yeah. Team Hut.
Are they bone-in? Because that's an easy decision. Yeah, if it's bone-in wings, I think it's a little bit closer battle.
If it's chicken nuggets with great sauce, which they have the best. They do.
Out of anybody. I think it's a little bit easier decision.
But I would like to remain Switzerland. Sure.
I'm on both teams here. Yeah, exactly.
They're both great. Amen.
But I appreciate that there are some people would say no one and we mean no one out pizzas the hut and they refuse to try anything else from pizza so they're definitely on team pizza but if you have the bone-in wings I think you're gonna say well wait a minute now change your life in a minute now cuz time like wingy yeah they got fryers their stores. So their wings are just like wing shops, but they don't happen to promote it as much.
They more so promote the boneless and then pizza. Their wings, bone-in wings are legit, and their sauces are magnificent.
Yes. Shout out to Pizza Hut.
Shout out. Let's get the hell out of here.
Chuck, thank you for your great work this week.

Love your notes.

Thank you.

Love every single thing about it.

Be a friend.

Tell a friend something nice.

It might change your life.

We're in this thing together.

Let's never forget it.

Team on me.

Team on three.

One, two, three.

Team.

Goodbye.