PMS 2.0 1277 - JJ Watt, Puka Nacua, Dan Orlovsky, NFL Films VP Keith Cossrow, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Hello, beautiful people, and welcome to our Humble the Boat, the Thunderdome, on this wild Wednesday, January 15th, 2025. This program starts now.
Football! It's awesome, and obviously I'm super fashionable today. This is a camouflage shirt that my wife got me for Christmas.
I'm a 37-year-old. This seems like a midlife crisis on your screen, but it was the only shirt I had in the office.
I don't love it, but here we are. Also, take a look at this snowy cityscape here of Indianapolis, Indiana, created by AI and Zete Collab.
I want to let you know it's cold as the Dickens here in the Midwest. We hope you are A-OK.
Obviously, out there in California, T's and P's for everything you have going on. Still, I believe there's another gust of wind coming through.
We couldn't fathom the devastation that's taking place over there. We will continue to try to be the distraction on the screen, the doofuses who will hopefully try to lighten up your day a little bit.
Today, J.J. Watt will be joining us, Dan Orlovsky will be joining us, and Keith Cosrow, who is a yinzer who's been working at NFL Films for 25 plus years will be joining us in a third hour on youtube espn plus disney plus yeah and and three more days yeah tiktok live drink it in i don't want to say we were ahead of this and people that have followed the program for a long time okay sorry in uh 217 when i retired we were ahead of a lot of things world news things okay we talked about jim kong a lot people thought we were just making things up and then all of a sudden guess who shot an 18 on a golf course r.i.p.
jim kong made a whole song about it though we talk about this guy he's he's a menace there's a little bit going on over here. We called the first upset of the 2020 election what was going to happen because we had been following tea leaves.
And we have been the only program that has been openly saying, hey, they need to figure it out with TikTok. TikTok is going to end this Sunday, allegedly.
China, who owns it, which has been a big part of the problem, I guess, and this entire thing, if you've been paying attention to it. They said, we'll shut it down.
We got no problems. And then Mr.
Wonderful said, I'll buy it. And we said, okay, Mr.
Wonderful, where the fuck are you finding $60 billion from? I'm sure you'd be able to figure it out. He drops off.
Elon, potentially, I guess he's out. We need Bezos or one of these big money Americans.
Yeah. I'm not saying Elon isn't america you get it but we need somebody big money that's associated with the united states of america to buy this thing and this might just be a leverage play by china with tiktok but they're saying they're shutting this thing down on sunday they're shutting it down so to our tiktok live crew a record-breaking day yesterday it's been fun true on to talk It's been an honor obviously to talk the man who edits all of our tiktoks and has found a nice little career here yes lived and lived a good little life yep he's done on sunday it's over sharp gonna have to fire him i know guys losing jobs over here because the entirety of it all but let's enjoy it while we have talks still in the building.
There's people talking about maybe just not only just firing him, but erasing him. I don't think we should do that.
That seems a little guillotine on the center of the stage. See, that's what's being pitched by the talks at the table.
That's at Boss Conner and at Ty Schmidt. We won't be doing that.
We will miss talk. He potentially just transitions into reels.
A lot of transitions happening these days. He potentially transitions from talk into reels on Sunday.
But that's TBD, you know, in this entire thing. We would like to let TikTok know, don't shut it down.
Don't shut it down. Don't shut it down.
Let's keep it going, you know? But let's also make sure it's in the right hands. And who is in the right hands? Just saw Zuckerberg do an entire interview.
Is that the right hand? I don't know because the way things are going. Wild world.
Wild time to be alive.

Lucky to be here.

We just know TikTok is on its...

Last legs.

It is.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Sad.

I'm that.

Can't let China win.

Again.

Not even for a second.

Not for a second.

That's what they're saying.

Yeah, exactly.

Nine-year NFL vet who wins all the time.

Darius J. Butler is here.

Yes, sir.

D-Buch.

D-Buch, I don't have the TikTok app on my phone. I do not either.
I do not know how TikTok operates, but I do know our show's on TikTok. And I do know whenever I go around the country for college game day, and I see, they say, we watch your clips on TikTok.
And once again, that's because of how talented talk is. That guy's got one ear on the show, one ear on the edit.
He's captioning every single word. I don't think he stops working for a 10-hour period straight.
This guy's plugged in, dialed in all day. It's over.
I refuse to download it as well because I'm a rabbit hole type of guy. I feel like it's way too many rabbit holes on TikTok.
Huge search engine too. A lot of people, kids, older folks, hey, I want to go on vacation here.
I want to learn how to build this, learn how to take pictures. Let me look on TikTok.
So it is a valuable place and space. I still think it's too big to feel.
Yeah, well, you've been saying that since the beginning. Yep.
China said, we'll shut it down. He said, we'll shut it down.
We'll see. And America said, yeah, go ahead.
Shut it down. We don't care.
You got our youth, huh, in the palm of your hands. That's what you think? They do.
They do. Everybody's on that thing.
And you said rabbit hole. From my understanding of watching Mitt, whoa, do TikTok, it is just a rabbit.
That's what it is. It is actually built to be a rabbit hole.
One after another, after another, after another, after another, after another. You look up, holy shit, China's got me locked in here for the last hour and a half.
Exactly. I'm Jotties now.
Speaking Mandarin. That's what happens, yeah.
That's what they're saying. I don't know enough about it because I don't have, but that is what they're saying.
Yeah. Foxy planned an entire honeymoon off of TikTok.
Yeah, I was planning on doing that again, but now I can't. Another wedding? Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What do you mean? You're planning another honeymoon? Oh, yeah. Vacation.
We got a vacation coming up. I got to plan that.
Okay. Another honeymoon would mean another wedding, which we do not want.
We've already had two. Well, if I say it's my honeymoon honeymoon then i can get a lot of free stuff so i might do that actually yeah always at the uh places you're going it's either a birthday or a honeymoon for sure yes even if it's just an added benefit of the chocolate strawberries sure or an extra robe or two certainly worthy of getting back something so definitely a birthday trip or a honeymoon trip all the time that's a nice little little life hack there, Foxy.
Yeah, definitely. And also, I would say out of all the social media platforms, TikTok is definitely the friendliest to our program specifically.
Really? The program? They love the program over there on TikTok. So positive, good vibes all the time.
Oh, we do get banned off there quickly. You mention something and all of a sudden your show's been taken down.
Or you piss off some people and they just attack it,

report it, you're taken down.

Like I think a lot of ARs fans went after us.

Zaire's fans took us down.

We'll piss off some people in certain companies.

They'll attack our TikTok, report it, and they'll take us down.

But TikTok's been good to us.

It has.

I don't know how it works, but it's been good to us.

And we're appreciative of that.

And I'm going to miss talk around here.

I know.

Me too. He's a good kid.
So I'm going to miss silence for him. good to us and we're appreciative of that and uh i'm gonna miss talk around here i know yeah me too

it's a good kid so i'm gonna silence for him

the most dialed in editor in the history of editing the only thing you ever heard from him

was his loud ass feet pummeling a treadmill at the end of the day after editing 45 tick tocks and captioning them them all a couple of them will get sent through and i go nope not doing that and he goes wow thanks for wasting 35 minutes of my life he doesn't care never bitches never complains just to work. A robot in human form.

Talk had a great run here.

Talk, great work, buddy.

Good miss you, Talk.

Fall on his feet.

Flat.

He will fall on his flat feet.

That is something he will do.

There's Talk right there.

And it's time, isn't it?

It's kind of apropos.

It is apropos.

That he was clocked.

Because it is time. Talk is a Massachusetts legend.
A Fairfield stag. Yeah.
An Emmy Award winner at his previous job. And for us, he was an absolute nuke on TikTok.
And I think it's because of the threat of nukes. Why? TikTok is going to stall.
Which is that AI photo. It's supposed to be snow but through the camera sure looks like Indy's taking one to the chin.
This is Indianapolis, Indiana obviously, clearly. You can see it.
A lot of buildings. There's more buildings than just these buildings but that is it.
The future's bright not for talk but for everybody else. Let's never forget that.
Let's enjoy this life. 12 year NFL vet vet is here.
Also a big TikToker. Super Bowl champion, AQ Shipley.
Actually just joined this year. I'm on TikTok.
You have TikTok on your phone? Yeah. See, they got you.
They got me. They've been listening.
They've been following. That's potentially why you're getting whenever you get home.
Could be. We don't know if that...
AQ Shipley is a drunk driver accident survivor. Last week, correct? That's correct.
I don't know if that aq shipley is a um a drunk driver accident survivor last week correct that's correct i don't give away too much of your business yeah you land back in phoenix after doing your aq in the trenches stuff here and you're driving home that's right and some boozed up lady comes popping out of a bar bam smashes you airbags airbags front gone total everything. You okay the stomach bruised beyond belief what do you mean something I don't think I understand what you mean what do you crazy it's bruised what do you mean it's bruised I thought it was airbag these guys tell me it's seat belt oh cuz you had your seatbelt on yeah I did you're a good guy how about that how about that boozebag lady trying to take you out? Unbelievable.
Lucky it was you in an SUV. Could have been anybody else.
In this stage, drunk driving, done. Arizona, they don't treat drunk drivers well, right? No.
Back. See ya.
Yeah, back to the car. See ya.
Put her in a can and sent her into the sea. Talk's doing the same thing here on Sunday.
That's right. Let's talk some ball, shall we? Let's go to Hammer.
Done. Done.
AP Tone, we're learning a lot about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Did you see the Mark Caboli report on X? Uh-oh.
Mark Caboli, who is a contributor to this particular program and the WWE. D-Bone makes his graphics for every one of his tweets that he writes out.
I think he's done a great job kind of changing the local sports reporter game. Just post on X.
And the views that he's getting on some of these are hundreds of thousands where maybe in the past it was just tens of thousands whatever the case. More people are able to see the local reporting which is a beautiful thing.
The local reporters deserve to continue to exist. The local reporters you know have a beat on the things that are going on which is why they are beat reporters.
Marco Boli is certainly the first of many I assume they'll be taking his talents strictly to X because there's no real length limit where you can just type up an entire article. In the article that he released yesterday, kind of surrounding and involving the Pittsburgh Steelers, he said, reports surfaced during the year that offense coordinator Ari Smith preferred Fields over Wilson, but that was never substantiated, says Mark Caboli.
Never substantiated. It was being talked about.
There was rumblings. Still, despite Wilson and Smith spending countless hours together after the typical workday, watching film and publicly joking about it, Team Source recently said that Wilson and Smith did not have a very good working relationship, but fought through their differences as best they could.
I thought these two were thick as thieves. Just yesterday, we were talking about maybe Russ and Artie Smith going to a team together because of how much they are.
Allegedly, their wives had to joke about how much time they're spending together instead of spending with the family. Now, Caboli's saying maybe they aren't getting along.
Now, Artie Smith is interviewing for a couple of head coaching jobs. Russell Wilson's a free agent.
I'm seeing him work out. He looks unbelievable.
He's back to work. Oh, yeah.
He's back to work with Team 3. Already? He's back to work.
He said, you know, the grind never stops. New year, new season.
Let's get back to work. What are your thoughts on everything that's kind of unfolding with this Pittsburgh Steelers team? Pickens, late to the Christmas game, amongst other things.
Artie Smith, Russell Wilson, allegedly, potentially not on the same page. Justin Fields, obviously not as much like during the season, but now he's being spoke about a little bit more glowingly by people.
Where do the Pittsburgh Steelers fall right now, and what are your thoughts on the future from your particular standpoint? Obviously, things could be better. Things could be a lot better.
They're not great right now because there's a lot of stuff coming out, and not a lot of it is good. The Artie Smith and Russell Wilson stuff wouldn't be super surprising to me.
You know, Artie Smith, a salt of the earth mustachio man. Russell Wilson wears his own jersey, you know, a lot.
We know Russ, we know team three. He was great for us all season long, but you know, the oil and water type situation that could be between him and Artie Smith is not exactly surprising.

But they are professionals, so they tried to work together.

And Artie Smith spoke glowingly of Justin Fields all year.

And Mike Tomlin was asked, did Justin Fields show enough that he could be the starter for this team next year?

And Mike Tomlin said, absolutely.

So if I'm reading the tea leaves, I would personally put my money on Justin Fields to be the potential starter for next year.

One, I think he'll be cheaper in that situation. And he's much, much, much younger than Russell Wilson is.
And we're trying to find the future. I mean, the George Pickens stuff, Mike Tomlin said he's got a lot of growing to do.
I know a lot of Steelers fans wouldn't be sad if there's a lot of, hey, let's just trade GP and get this over with situations going around. You know, we've had wide receivers in the past, you know, Antonio Brown, Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool.
There's becoming a bit of a trend in Pittsburgh with the wide receivers. While they are very good.
Well, one of them, Hall of Fame. The other one's not so much.
So let's make sure we remember that, you know. Yes.
The Steelers fans, I think, bring up A, B, A, B., A.B., A.B. It's like A.B.
also best player on the football field. These other guys not.
I mean, maybe George Pickens will become that with the amount of ability that he has and the amount of talent he has. But it hasn't happened just yet.
Maybe it's the offense. Maybe it's him.
But I think you're willing to go through that with A.B. because it's like this guy.
This guy worked his ass off too. At practice, he was a worker.
That is what he's known. You don't become that great without all the work.
It was just also everything else kind of surrounding A.B. that Tomlin had to navigate and negotiate.
Deontay Johnson, they're coming out saying this guy's the biggest bum that has ever come through the NFL. Wasted talent because of an he's been on four different teams in the last eight months he just got cut from a playoff team because after a win he was potting about how many times he got the ball you're new to the team pal you just got there you guys just won the playoffs can't be pouting D'Amico says get the hell out of here to Deontay Johnson and Chase Claypool I mean that first year he was great 10 touchdowns Had a lot of other people on the field with him too, right? Yeah.
At that time? Yeah. And then obviously he becomes a TikTok.
Yeah. Fashion guy.
Juju, thanks. Turned into a Chinese guy.
No! He's Canadian. No, I know.
Canadian Chinese. You're talking about TikTok taking him down.
Exactly. That's maybe when Gallagher and the government said, we got to stop TikTok.
This needs to stop now. It's taking down NFL players.
This is Gallagher's deal? These guys are too busy. Well, if it's anti-China, you know it's Gallagher.
But these NFL guys are doing all this, doing the dances. We just want ball.
TikTok's doing it. And then he started snooping around.
He said, let's get him out of there. But to your point about wide receivers at the pittsburgh steelers it's like how come it only happens there seemingly it doesn't happen everywhere else i think it does happen everywhere else the steelers though just get amplified because they're always going to be in the playoffs always going to win and then they're going to fail and then you start pointing out what's the issues well there's red flags here there's red flags here there's red flags here let's go to a 12-year nfl veteran superbowl champion former member of the pittsburgh steelers actually drafted to the pittsburgh steelers if i do recall aq shipley back in your hometown of pittsburgh a lot of drama right now saying there's going to be changes on all levels what does that mean to you as somebody that's been around ball the biggest issue that pittsburgh keeps doing is they just keep putting band-aids on things they don't do a full wholesale change's like, okay, we're going to take one person out, but nothing gets actually fixed.
And it's constant over and over again. There's a quarterback issue there.
So, okay, we're going to get rid of Russell. We're going to put Justin Fields back in.
It's the same guy you had the first five weeks of the season you didn't feel comfortable with. So now we're going to go back.
Now all of a sudden he's great. Now we're a playoff team.
We're going to win playoff games. I just don't see that happening.
Receiver-wise, you're relying on George Pickens. It's continuously the same problem over and over again.
So how do we do that? We just put a Band-Aid on it. We just do that.
Defensively, same stuff. We got issues.
We got glaring issues, but we get a new defensive coordinator or we'll fire a coach and we'll bring a new coach in. Again, put a Band-Aid on it.
We never actually fix the problem. But they're able to win in spite of all this, but not enough to actually win, but not enough losses to get a good draft pick.

So it's like they're kind of stuck in his

purgatory, which is why Yenzers are so pissed off.

That's right. That's exactly right.
I mean, it's constant.

You go 8-9 or 9-8

or 10-7 or whatever it is, you're always

going to be a 15-20 pick. You can't get a

top-tier quarterback. You can't get exactly

what you need to fix the program. And then

we feel good about it because we're winning

enough, but we're not winning the whole thing.

How's Mr. Shipps? How's Pop feel about the whole thing?

He's over it. He's over it.
He's throwing in the towel. Oh, no.
Yeah, but he doesn't mind living in his misery. He's still a Pirates fan, right? He's looking forward to Pirates season.
Exactly. That's right.
That's where he is. Excuse me? Yeah, we're talking Yinzer fuck his dad.
I mean, you're talking full on, you know, just like Tim out there. And I think all Yenzers are feeling the same exact way.
It's like, yeah, it's fun to be above 500. That's cool.
That sounds great. We go over to Cleveland, drive over to a mistake on a lake.
We say, how are you guys doing? You guys stink. Look at us.
We're above 500. That's basically what Steelers fans are done with.
That's right. Not saying it's Mike Tomlin's issue either.
This is an entire organization, program, tradition. Hopefully they're able to make some wholesale changes and actually make some changes and be able to get to the next step or all of them fail and they go way down the other way and then maybe some actual changes can take place.
Nonetheless, I would love Mike Tomlin to be the coach of my team, which is, I think, what 28 teams are saying whenever they hear Steelers fans bitch about what's going on in Pittsburgh. Yeah, exactly.
So for like a you know like is that something where Tomlin would have to leave I'm in the same boat where it's like hey just went through a terrible year last two years have been terrible would love to have above 500 Mike Tomlin but obviously don't want to lose every year in the first round of the playoffs like can you do wholesale changes while keeping the same head coach throughout you know the last 10 years yeah sometimes I think you just need to separate. I think there's a point in time where sometimes it just wears out its welcome.
He's a phenomenal football coach. But sometimes over time, the same guy in the same situation, the same building becomes stale, period.
And it just becomes 10-7. And it just becomes what you are.
I'm not saying that that's the answer, but that's what I feel. That is exactly what I feel.
Sometimes it's okay, even when things are good or okay, to separate. Yeah, and I think there's a freshness, too.
And whenever there's a void at the top, there's another need to kind of impress people. But to Connor's point, the grass is not always greener.
Usually never is. And I get the whole new voice.
That was kind of the thing we were spinning with Belichick.

And when I say we, it was like people who wanted to keep Belichick,

but still it was too late.

It's like, hey, maybe a new voice will help.

And obviously it didn't, so that's why it's one of those things

where like Belichick, at least his last year was 4-13.

So it was like, hey, you can move on from a coach when you go 4-13.

But with Pittsburgh, they're not losing.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

is a member of the Bull Ring of Honor down there for the Houston Texans. One of only four people, I do believe.
He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer whenever he's available. He's built like an avatar.
I think we all forget just how big he is until he's in a photo with some normal-sized human being. And you go, Jesus Christ, what is this thing? Well, this thing is J.J.
Watt. Yay! Hey, J.J., how you doing? Great.
How you guys doing? Hey, I heard we're talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers here as we wrap up, and obviously you have a tie to it. You have Famiglia over there for the Steelers, one of the pillars of that Pittsburgh Steelers team.
And there's been a lot of chatter about the most expensive defense in ball is that Pittsburgh Steelers defense, and they weren't able to get the job done. And, you know, the Ravens obviously do what they did to the Steelers in the playoffs.
What are your thoughts on the entirety? I heard Teej say he needs to be more willing to do more. I think he took on some ownership in the failures.
What are your thoughts on how the Steelers currently are set up for the future? Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any denying what happened at the end of the season. I mean, You lose five in a row while your direct division opponent goes on and wins five in a row and is headed looking like an absolute wagon heading into the next round of the playoffs.
Very, very tough, tough scene the other night, obviously. I mean, defense giving up that many yards, offense not really being able to move the ball.
It's a tough situation, man. I mean it's it's like everybody said i mean everybody's kind of talked through it all already in the good enough but not good enough scenario which puts you in a very difficult place and that's just kind of where they are right now and it's finding a way to break through that finding a way to take that next step figuring out why is some of those end of the season first round of playoff failures and what has created that is it something with the systems it's something with the way they do things with the end of the year what is it um i think that's the answer is everybody inside and outside of that building is trying to find at the moment how long is tj locked down for there with steelers three more years no he's's got one year left on his deal, so it's...
Oh, shit. Contract year for TJ next year? Yeah, he looks like a variable.
No, I mean, it's that kind of... I mean, there's only one left, so he'd be a free agent after this coming season.
Yeah, so hey, contract year. He's about to get 20 sacks next year.
Let's assume TJ gets to the quarterback 20th. Not that he wouldn normally, but how many times has TJ got to a contract year? Is this the second time now? I mean, you ever go into the last year of a contract? I mean, I don't know many people that are going into the last year of a contract like that.
I got franchise tagged after my contract was over, but I did get a deal done before. You're saying? He'll get extended.
Okay, Tone, are you sure there's gonna be changes at all levels they said who's gonna be making the change from hammer don time uh tige is not one of those problems and does not need to do anything uh he will get extended because he's a stealer for life how much you paying him tone as much as he wants remember he kicked down a door you get the deal done last time he was kind of sick of the the meddling and the agent i don't know i do think he knows like like he said like you talked about like i do think that he knows that uh there can be some moving around there can be some ways to get some of these chips some of these double teams like uh there's there's things that can be done here to try and minimize that because it's very clear that there is heavy, heavy keying on exactly where he's going to be and just throwing a significant number of bodies at him and putting obstacles in the way. So moving around certainly does help that.
And I think it's something that he's just recently said that he's more open to in the future and is going to work on. Okay.
Can't wait to see what he ends up and what he adds to his bag you know we got over the right side maybe up the gut a little bit maybe a little bit you know because jage you used to move a lot you used to move around now granted you are i mean teach is a monster we understand it but you are an actual uh giant of a b so you could play tackle on defensive line at your size if you had a couple more burgers. How tall are you?

6'6".

How heavy?

290 was when I was playing.

280 now.

Jeez.

Take on this guy.

Look at this human.

This human had a...

Yeah.

Yeah.

Come on inside, Jage.

Come on inside.

Good times.

Yeah.

He had leverage at all times.

Okay.

Low man wins. Ain't that right? That's always right.
Short arms win. Not always.
Simplest fact in football, easiest one that everybody forgets. Low man wins, baby.
That's right. Low man wins.
Yeah, unless you're 6'6", 290, and low man can just get dumped. Yeah, one of those things.
Let's talk about the teams that are doing that. You talked about the Ravens rattling off a bunch of wins at the end of the season.
They had three games in 11 days, won them all, and then they continue to kind of dominate on the offensive side of the ball while their defense figures it all out. They're taking on the Buffalo Beals this weekend.
Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. MVP versus MVP runner-up.
First-team All-Pro versus second-team All-Pro. This is a dream matchup, especially this particular season.
Josh Allen coming into the year, loses a lot of known names on his team, still able to lead his squad into a beautiful place in home playoff games and everything like that. Lamar Jackson is actually playing the best ball that he's ever played in this Munkin offense.
He's spinning it. He's running again because his mom told him he needs to do that.
Both these high high level football this is a dream dream dream matchup on cbs sunday at 6 30. jage what are your thoughts on the buffalo beals because you've already kind of talked about the ravens and what does this matchup come down to in your eyes i mean this is this is obviously an unbelievable game can't wait to watch it no idea what's going to happen but they're just i mean just two phenomenal teams the two top mvp candidates like it's it's going to be i'm hoping that it's everything that we all think it could turn out to be because it has a chance to be one of those epic all-timer games um i mean it's so hard to look at it and try and break it down here because you have the Ravens who, in my opinion, even from the very beginning of the year, yeah, they lost five games, but from the beginning of the year, when you have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson in the same backfield, that puts teams in such a bind for how you're going to stop that and what you're going to do.
And then you go on the flip side and you have the Bills who have Josh Allen who can do absolutely anything. And I'm with you.
Before the season, I was one of those people that said, I don't know how they replaced some of these pieces. I don't know how they, this is kind of one of those rebuilding years.
And all they did was go out there and just dominate and crush people and easily move on to the next round. So this is two titans going at it.
You have to find a way to stop the Lamar Derrick Henry. Like you just, you have to find a way.
Clearly the Steelers did not have the proper plan for the zone read and for everything that they were doing with that. So the Bills have to find a way to slow that combination down.
But then the problem is you put the ball in Lamar's hands in the air, and he's been doing it through the air as well. So that's why as a defensive player, man, it is such a bitch to play against that offense because it's so hard and josh hound's also doing everything on the other side it's it's not not fun to be a defensive player against either of these guys well especially now this late in the season obviously this point of the playoffs it's only going to be the great teams remaining and we had a reaction we reiterate this fact because we don't get everything right but when we do i think we should take a victory lap when derrick henry signed to the baltimore ravens this particular program was like that's not fair that that feels like that's not a fair thing especially with ricard being there right and then mark andrews and likely and then you got lamar jackson his fast player on the field he said he was striding at 21 miles an hour it's like that's a lot of power and a lot of explosion all in one shot to munkin

taking advantage of the entirety and i think lamar has found his oh yeah i think it's right here i

think it's a little three-quarter i think that is his motion just like matthew stafford very similar

motion i think it took him some time to figure that out he can put the ball in a keyhole right

now and that is the difference between lamar this year versus lamar in the past lamar has always

been able to throw the ball like good like he's always been a good throw an nfl quarterback

I'm sorry. right now and that is the difference between lamar this year versus lamar in the past lamar has always been able to throw the ball like good like he's always been a good throw an nfl quarterback probably like uh 12 to 20 arm wise 12 to 20 arm wise always has been but his legs number one so you take 12 and number one together you got an elite quarterback that's going to win multiple mvps now he's like top five thrower and still number one runner it's like this guy his confidence levels through the roof they're putting a lot of mic'd up stuff out because they're on hard knocks obviously afc north the ravens it'll continue for however long they are we'll talk to keith koshro of nfl films here in about an hour and a half about that but like this the looseness in the confidence in which lamar is playing right now he feels like he can do do anything and he can.
And the way the team is set up, they're the real deal, brother. And then Josh is the same exact thing, it feels like, with Buffalo.
Actually, I don't want to say losing. Stephon Diggs made them better because obviously you lose a great player.
You're going to take a hit somewhere. But it's like Josh had no stress on it from anybody.
It's like, hey, this is your team. You do whatever the hell you want to do on every single play.
Don't feel like you've got to make everybody happy. It's like both these guys are playing their best ball.
Sucks that one of them's got to go home in the divisional round. But it's great for us, D-Butch.
It's going to be great entertainment. With Lamar, it's kind of similar to almost what's going on with Tomlin and the Steelers from the outside in.
Because when Lamar had Greg Roman, a lot of people were like, hey, he's winning MVPs he's you know it's a run dominant offense he's doing all these great things but at some point he needs to be challenged to become the better passer become the guy that can read and dissect defenses from the pocket so they want their separate ways brought in top market and now this is second full year in this offense and they have just grown like it's always been a game plan hey make eight beat you from the pocket keep him cagey and make him do that now he can do that and he's using his legs more on passing plays design runs you got derrick henry a wildcat lamar coming across in motion like all that type of shit this team is damn near impossible uh to stop they got to beat themselves almost on offense it feels like lamar is at the point in his life where he feels like he's proved that he's a good quarterback. Because there for a bit it felt like he was trying to prove to the world that he was a quarterback.

He was kind of sick of people saying, well, this guy's a running back playing quarterback.

You know, they even mentioned it after games.

I'm not saying we said that, but that is what a narrative was about Lamar Jackson.

Feels like he's at a point of his career now after watch where he's comfortable like, okay, I'm cemented as a great quarterback.

Like, that is it.

So now he's just doing whatever the best option is. And I love that it took his mom being like, hey, I'm about sick of not watching you cook people.
Because with the ball in his hands, he's the best guy on the field. He's the best guy on the field with the ball in his hands anytime he's on the field.
And it's like now he's confident and free to kind of make whatever to say. It's like, that's fun, man.
Yet Somehow after this game, one of these two quarterbacks is going to lose. And we know that somehow after this game, we're going to have all sorts of reports.
Like, oh, that guy's not, he can't do it. He can't win.
Like, I mean, like we got two MVP candidates, two of the best of all time going at each other. One of them is going to lose and we're going to be like, this guy stinks.
He may have three MVPs. I don't care.
He's terrible. Oh, Josh Allen.
This is awesome. This is the best year Josh ever had.
Can't even win the MVP. Yeah.
It's like, that is legitimately what's going to happen the day after. So on this particular Wednesday, we would like to say boys, thanks for the seasons you guys had.
Great year. Great year.
Great year by you guys. Now let's talk about the guy who has been able to get the job done, obviously.
He's 29 years old. He's already won multiple Super Bowls.
He's already changed the game. He's already in the GOAT conversation.
He's taking on a phenomenal team out of the AFC South. AQ has a question for you, Jage.
Yeah, so the Houston Texans, let's talk a little bit about their defense and can you also touch on Joe Tooney moving out to left tackle and the problems he's about to be faced with when he goes against Daniil Hunter and Will Anderson

Yeah

I mean obviously the Texans defense was

just incredible to watch

Pat I hope you and the rest of the AFC South

got a real good chance to tune into that

Yeah thanks for representing for us

Thanks for representing for the AFC South

Holding it down out here for the AFC South

Yeah because remember we're dropped

another playoff victory

Thank you the AFC South there's divisions that don't have

I don't have a playoff victory in years. So, AFC South, yet again, it's a fucking buzzsaw.
Just so happened Houston Texans snuck in to the divisional to winning the AFC South. Wasn't an easy division.
Trevor Lawrence, everybody's talking about this guy. Can he make it or not? He plays in the AFC South.
Okay kitchen is hot in the AFC South. Will Levis, this guy's a butt.
He plays in the AFC South. Hold on.
Anthony Richards, this guy's tapping on the game. Yeah, you know why? It's AFC South football.
Okay, that is what AFC South football is. So, we were watching along.
Thank you for representing the division, right? Isn't that what we were saying? Damn right. I'm afraid we're kind of becoming like one of those shitty SEC teams who just...
Vandy! We are not Vandy! We got Diego Boppi! The old Vandy! AMC South is the SEC though, whenever you talk about it. Thank you.
So that is accurate. What you're saying? It's like Rutgers.
No teams in the title game. I was going to say SEC's not the top dog anymore.
I was about to say, yeah. It's Big Ten

country. You know that.
Big Ten.

Big Ten country, big dog.

Yeah, you're right. Big Ten country.
Yeah, you're damn right.

North. Exactly.
That's why

I'm wearing this camo. Bingo.
Yeah, because

I'm out here. You know, hunting.

I got an orange hat I was going to wear, so the deer,

you know, they can't see it because they're colorblind

as shit, but the other people won't shoot me because they see a floating head bouncing through. They might, oh, we got a goon or a goblin.
Nothing. Boom.
Shoot me. But I got an orange hat I'll put on.
You're right. For the north.
You're saying we're ruckers? Ruckers. Kind of like the Mac almost.
Maryland. No, we're in the same division.
That's the whole thing. We're not in a different conference.
I thought you guys were like UMass moving up.

Moving on up to the Big Ten.

UMass!

I'm about done with this.

That's a mass hole.

And what's the student section up there at UMass?

Zoo Mass.

The Zoo, yeah.

Yeah, Zoo Mass.

And maybe we do got good vibes in the AFC.

Nonetheless, the AFC South is Big Ten football.

Okay, okay.

And that's just fact of the matter.

That's it.

And all four teams can get the job done. At the moment, though, Houston.
That's not true. That's not true.
Houston's doing it for us. Houston's doing it.
Hey, shout out to you. AMC South is going to Berlin.
Wait till you get your eyes on the Colts over there. Guten tag.
That was announced this morning. Stay over there.
They're taking eight. Berlin Colts.
All right, anyways, James, let's get back. Let's hear some.
Yes, Let's get back. Let's pop back.
So, anyway. Thank you.
So, the beginning of the game, for me, was awesome. I think everybody watching hated it because it was pure defense.
But, for me, seeing Daniel Hunter, Will Anderson Jr., Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, seeing these guys tee off was great. Also, slightly worrisome because didn't know if any points were going to be scored whatsoever in this game.
And it wasn't looking good. Then clearly the turning point of the game was the fumbled snap.
CJ turns it into a long pass. And then he scrambles on the next one, takes us down.
And that turned out to be the momentum changer. Clearly almost like a light went on in his head.
Like, oh, yeah, I am one of the best players in the world. I'm to go over here and take over um but this texas defense i think we give a ton of credit to the edge rushers and rightfully so i think there's so many other guys that also contribute the two corners are lockdowns i mean you got last year and stingley who are absolute lockdowns you got the backers who are playing good you have the guys inside denigo autry uh mar Mario Edwards, some of these guys.
This defense is a legitimate Super Bowl caliber defense. It's a matter of if we can put it all together and keep it all together.
And obviously, we all understand the monumental task at hand going into Kansas City up against Patrick Mahomes in a three-time champ. But this defense is the real deal.
Okay, so obviously Stingley

is all-everything DB team.

So congrats to him. And just

days after the all-everything DB team

is revealed, he gets two picks, so that's nice.

Thank you for doing that. Perfect time.
Thank you for doing that

for the all-everything. Derwin James had a pretty good

game, too. I know it was on a, you know, shortening

the stick, but... I think he had a pick and a fumble recovery

or something like that, Derwin. They called his pick back.

It was close. We'll say we'll give it to him.
We'll give it to him. So shout out to all everything DB team getting it right.
Getting it right. No matter how much there was bitching and moaning from other teams in the middle of the segment as we're debuting it somebody was just ridiculous.
Wah! Yeah, yeah. It's not the all everything tissue team, pal.
Yeah, yeah. Got Stingley right.
I wonder how that other corner did. Yeah, that guy for the Broncos.
The Bills really went at him. How do you do, Bush? You know, everyone has their day, all right? Yeah.
Still might win a defensive player to you. Gonzo had a great Sunday last week.
I bet he did. He was getting ready for football.
Played his ass off. Jage, his second part of his question for Make Hughes there was Tooney moving out to tackle.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tooney puts a left up.
Like, that's an awesome move for the team. And I saw a clip last night on the internet.
Maybe memorable football moments on X or something like that. I forget.
There's a lot of really good accounts that are pulling up stuff out of the vault. Andy Reid and Brett Favre at the Green Bay Packers.
Brett Favre, they start the clip, I think, after the situation happens. And Brett Favre looks at Andy Reid and goes, I love you, man.
And Andy Reid goes, I know you do. Yeah, I know you do.
We'll see if you do after I get chewed out. And then coach comes over and he goes, what the hell happened on the alignment or whatever? And Andy Reid cuts off Brett Favre and he goes, I called it in wrong.
That's on me. It's not on Brett, yada, yada.
It takes the blame, basically, for Brett Favre. And coach, who was the coach? Mike Holmgren.
Mike Holm holmgren goes it was first 15 how do you get it wrong it was first 15 i was gonna write andy reed's like that's on me that's on me that's on me but in that moment obviously everybody knew brett farve got it wrong but andy reed's like first reaction was like he wasn't a proven coach yet he was still a young coach he like ah no i'll take this for you because he knew it could affect brett for the rest the game. He also, I think, wanted to prove to his team what type of guy he is.

And I think Andy Reid, as a coach, obviously we chit-chat about this dynasty that Chiefs are in the middle of.

And we talk about Bill Belichick being the greatest of all time, which he certainly is.

And he has had to shoot down reports that he's going back to the NFL basically every single day since getting this North Carolina job.

But in that one mic'd-up clip from whenever he was at the Packers, I think I learned everything I needed to learn about Andy Reid. He relates to his players.
I think he loves his players. He's a super genius.
And Joe Tooney moving out to tackle, I think he's just a good indicator of the culture that they have there. Tooney could potentially be Hall of Fame guard, right? 100%.
Oh, yeah. Hall of Fame guard in this entire thing.
So to say, you know what? To hell with it. In the biggest year where we're trying to win our third Lombardi Strait, contracts are always going to be talked about in football.
For him to say, put me on an island, even though my body type is not the right body type for this, even though my skill set is not the right skill set for this, that's why I've been in here, that's why I'm a Hall of Famer in here, for him to put his left up and go out there, I think that showcases the culture that they have over there at the Chiefs. What do you think about this particular team that the Chiefs are taking against, the Houston Texans, and what do you think about Tooney, and what do you think that says about potential, you know, three in a row for them? I think you've encapsulated it perfectly, and I do think that that clip shows exactly why people love playing for Andrew Reid, why he does such a great job with his teams.
I've been saying it most of this season that Patrick Mahomes

has been spreading the ball around, sometimes shorter

throws, just matriculating the ball

down the field because they aren't making some of those

big explosive plays like they used to in the past

but they're doing what they have to

do to win. Whoever is

open gets the ball, however short the

pass is. Everybody is doing

just what they have to do to win

games. They haven't been winning games by these huge margins all year long but it doesn't matter.
All you need to do is win the game. We talked about Travis Kelsey last year with the 16 yards short of a thousand yards to keep the streak going, but do whatever's best for the team.
Every single guy on that Chiefs team knows it doesn't matter about me. It doesn't matter about my individual stats.
This is about winning Super Bow and andy reed has done that better than anybody getting these guys to buy in knowing that just trust me i will put you in the best position and we will win games we will win super bowls just buy into what we're doing here and clearly it's something that's worked extremely well and clearly everybody's bought in and i mean that's how you win three super bowls and you're going for four and having that guy isn't a bad reason either patrick mahomes to your point about just willing to sacrifice a lot of stats and everything like that to just win games because patrick mahomes at this stage of his career with everything he's accomplished could be a diva could be a prima donna he could want to get rid of uh an offense that doesn't have him throw it 35 40 times a game so he can run those numbers up. Instead, just like last year, he wasn't scared at all to hand that thing off 25, 30 times a game.
I'm only going to have 17 to 22 pass attempts. This is Patch Mahomes that we're talking about.
And, you know, people are comparing him to Tom Brady already. I think Tom Brady had that as well.
That's why whenever people say, you know, Bill used to coach Tom just like he coaches everybody else. He used to chew out Tom every single team meeting in front of the rest of the team so everybody else knew that that could happen.
It's like not everybody's just going to take that shit. Like that's a talent that Tom Brady had.
That's a trait that Tom Brady had that made him great. There's a lot of guys that would be like, no, this shit ain't happening.
You can get me out of here. I'm not getting embarrassed in front of my team.
It feels like Patrick Mahomes has that same. And you know who else does on this graphic? This CJ Stroud guy.
You know, it's like this hasn't been the best year for CJ. I think he would admit that.
I think he would acknowledge that. A lot of injuries.
But then Nico Collins gets back on the field. And it's like CJ probably feels a reinvigoration of like hope and optimism.
And those two are lethal. Those two are an absolute problem.
That's why whenever they bring in Stephon D stefan diggs they're like wait a second if we can kind of maybe make this a little bit easier for both parties our offense should get opened up they've had a lot of injuries they've had a lot of situations cj played great in wild card just like he did last year in wild card biggest moments he plays his best ball i love this game chiefs and texans i love raven's bills let's head over to the nfc now D-Buch has a question for you, James. Yeah, I think those games will come down to who can block, who can keep their quarterbacks upright.
But speaking of defenses, it's Eagles defense. Vic Fangio, he's come over and had his Eagles defense being one of the best, especially down the stretch.
Had a good outing last week as well. I know they lost to Kobe Dean for the rest of the playoff run but uh what's your thoughts on this eagles defense facing matt stafford and his ramps offense and uh did you see that little flick that stafford did to avoid the sack i want your thoughts on that too yeah i'll start with the eagles defense and then i'll get to that flick because i got thoughts on it um but the eagles defense i feel like is almost getting overshadowed by their offense because they're often obviously Saquon and everything the offensive line has done and the way that they've been playing this year.
The Eagles defense doesn't get enough credit. I mean, they are a phenomenal unit.
And I think, obviously, a Badger, Zach Bond, playing out of his mind, also playing special teams, dominating, all pro. Just the defense in general has been so fun to watch, so enjoyable enjoyable and they're a massive reason why they're here and after watching the rams the other night of course they're going to need to play extremely well because stafford is playing as good as he's played and he looks great now let's get to the flip because i want to talk about it brilliant play brilliant play by Stafford as the rules are written it is a legitimate play

he flipped the ball in the general direction, at least somewhere in the vicinity of Bukunukua. He knew that he had a guy somewhere in that area because he knows the plays.
He knows where he's going to be. So he just does that little flick.
And yes, that is absolutely within the rules. That is absolutely not intentional grounding as it's called today.
Now, besides a spike, has there ever been a ball that was more intentionally headed for the ground than that ball? He tried. He's a no-look guy.
You want to make a play? Yeah, he's filthy. I agree, but it's, I mean, think about you're doing everything that you possibly can as a pass rusher.
You finally get back there. You go to get a sack.
You got him all wrapped up. Can't hit him in the head.
Can't hit him in the knees. Can't hit him low.
Can't hit him high. Got to hit him perfectly.
Roll off of him when you hit the ground. And then all he has to do is that, and you don't get your sack.
Everything that you worked for. That's a heady play.
I don't know how you could change the rule. Welcome to the NFL.
Welcome to the NFL, James. I don't know how you would change the rule.
I don't know how you could possibly like make this a rule, but man, that sucks ass as a pass rusher. There's not always going to be somebody in the vicinity and they're not going to be able to do that, but Matthew Stafford knowing that, and I think they would say Kyron Williams was in the vicinity too if Puka was not there because Puka and Kyron run into each other, so they're actually in a similar position there.
But Matthew Stafford just being dialed in that much? Incredible. Imagine if he completed that.
Could you think? So Bill was on the many cast when this happened. And, you know, Eli, Peyton, they both saw it.
They fumbled, fumbled. Got to be a fumble.
And Bill's like, nope, incomplete. Incomplete.
It's going to be an incomplete pass. And then once they called it incomplete, Bill was like, come on, it's an offensive league.
Like, you know, no rules are meant to help defenders. But this was crazy.
And like you said, genius for knowing the rules. Because as soon as he got up, he was like, nah, that would be picked up.
It's a fake. It's a pass.
How about, like, also the Bill said, was it Bill or Lombardi? Hmm. I forget who it was.
They said they'll never say something's uncatchable in the NFL because of how athletic the wide receivers are. So, like, even if it's an overthrow by, like, 10 yards, you're very rarely going to hear an NFL ref say that was uncatchable because we've seen shit happen in the NFL where somebody somehow and then comes down and lands it.
So the NFL is never going to say it. I feel like in the same thing there, you don't think Matthew Stafford was trying to? You don't think the talent of not? You don't think the legend that is Matthew Stafford was trying to complete that? What if he does complete that? You defensive people need to fucking relax.
That was never. It was going directly to the ground.
Puka catches everything. Yeah, he was all disoriented.
Greenard. Yeah, I didn't want to say Greenard there.
That would have been so disrespectful. I apologize.
He's trying to DDT him. He was all discombobulated.
He's trying to punch him in the back of the head. There's a little, you know, there's a, he's not a dirty player.
But you get, he's all discombobulated. There's a button back there.
So he's a boxer woobling down on the ground. That's a lethal shot.
Puka, there you are. And he's boom, he's trying to.
Catch a Puka. He's trying boxer wobbling down on the ground.
That's a lethal shot. There you are.
Catch a puka. Unbelievable.
It was brilliant. Source have told us that there has been a player that has acknowledged the blame for that play going wrong.
Who is it is it? The message was, please tell Big Oost to move on from this play. Oh, fair enough.
Fair enough. Fair enough.
So Stafford reset. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was Matthew Stafford. Yeah, yeah.
No, no, absolutely not. Okay, so Eagles defense, great.
Zach Bond, a lot of Badgers doing their thing. Yeah.
How about him making up? I don was Jack. Linebacker, you.
Linebacker, you. Are you guys going to get good at football again, or what do you think? We're trying.
We're trying. We're trying.
Are you? What, West Virginia or the Colts? Either. I'm going to let you know, West Virginia is going to be a problem go for.
I hope so. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm looking forward to it. That's a place I'd like to see a game i feel like that's a proper party yeah well that's the thing though i don't know you if you want to get how old are you i am 35 jeez yeah i'm 37 i don't think we're built to go do the morgantown good time thing i don't think we are either we just did it we are either no we did it we did a very casual no yeah good time in april or yeah it was april we did it yeah but that wasn't like a game like the game is the entire everybody that is in the surrounding area is coming and it is awesome i would assume that it has to be ranked top five football environment whenever the team's good for everything that's going on because the entire state's there everything shuts down in the state likes to have a good time so it's not like uh you know you got a parking lot over here that's kind of casual you know cooking everything it's like no every parking lot is doing the same thing going and it's cheers beers mountaineers brother and we are having a good time here uh definitely answer that let's go back one one more time to the play that happened with the los angeles rams joining us now is the wide receiver that was in the vicinity of said genius play by Matthew Stafford.
Puka, who's? Go ahead. Big Goose, I'm out here trying to get some treatment.
I'm laying down and I'm just watching. I can't even hear, but I can only assume you're flaming me on that clip.
No! No! We're talking about how genius Matthew Stafford was was if you want to walk through this play though matthew stafford makes a great play why are you saying it yeah he does i mean he shouldn't be if you see number seven if you if you go back to the start i'm supposed to to the backfield i'm supposed to go i'm supposed to go to the back side to block and i just knock every single one of our linemen off with their block right here so then matthew matthew's just got out to the side. I'm like, oh, my gosh, how did he even see me? Look at that one guy, two guys, three guys, all knocked off their block right there by Pukitokura.
Okay. All right, well, I appreciate you, you know, taking some accountability and saying that's on me 1,000%.
But all the plays you made, brother, every once in a while there's going to be a little bit of a timing issue. If you weren't such a dog, you wouldn't be able to move three bodies.
You're a beast. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.
Let's not do it next year, though, Ouse. Oh, exactly.
That's why I'm like, this guy Matthews got eyes in the back of his head. He's looking at all the guys running routes.
He's like, oh, there's a guy right in front of me. Hey, Ouse, you guys are on fire right now, brother.
Man, it feels good to be in L.A. right now.
Okay. We and bet and in some good ways over here in the rams facility yeah absolutely so let's talk about that the kind of streak you've been on over there at the rams whenever trade deadline was coming around there was almost like a thought of are the rams going to be buyers or sellers here like are they gonna kind of forfeit on the year almost and look ahead then they you guys stick with it same team everybody gets healthy you're incredibly hot right why is that you think is it health what do you think it is with your team and your defense more specifically shoot i think health 100 i mean you seen all our young bulls going crazy on the dean line now just absolutely everybody just wreaking havoc i think we got you got guys like jerry verse kobe turner and you walk in the facility and they're just they i feel like they just walk in and they start barking.
They just come in there, you got so much energy juice, and they're out here trying to run through everybody. Okay, in the offense, Matthew Stafford, just Matthew Stafford? No, I ain't training today, man.
I'm talking about people right now. Are you on the bike as we speak? Are you on the bike? Yeah.
We're getting the core activated there, too. I like that.
What are we doing how uh how are you guys handling this week i'm curious because you had to had to fly back from arizona monday night and then you have to fly out i assume you're flying out saturday or you guys are two day early team oh i wish we were two days early does that mean i get a nice philly cheesesteak before we had to stay in the hotel yeah true awesome no we're flying out on saturday shoot we got it we had a day off yesterday getting to move around today see how matthew stafford's feeling see if we can sling it around we'll lift some weights today getting there hit a trap trap bar deadlift what's you throwing up uh mr watt what was your language i like a little trap bar deadlift however many weights fit on it that's how how many I put on there there. I don't think we have enough 45s for you over here.
Yeah, I mean, that's supposed to change it. Yeah, you do.
Air Donald was in that building. You got enough from there.
They spent them all with him when he left. All right, Ups, good luck.
We appreciate you, man. Thank you.
You guys have a good one. Peace out, big Ups.
Hey, hey, appreciate you. Let's not fuck up any more plays.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, Puka the Kula. Yeah, Puka.
That's awesome. Man, they're just cooking me on this.
Yeah, I was wrong. Okay, get over it.
Let's move past this. Oose was the message he said.
And then he had no idea we're complimenting you, bud. That's good vibes there.
That's two times now he's called in the show, and they're like, are you working out? Yo. I called you, Big Oose Do that.
That vibe, man. Great dude, man.
Seems like a great dude. He said they come into the building barking like the energy.
I guess Sean McVay, I assume, is that way. So then the teams kind of take on the identity of their – how about Sean McVay? Can we talk about that? When did he get hired? 32? Is that all he was? I think so.
31? Yeah, might have been. And just immediately in the fire, how you doing?

Let's go ahead and run with it.

And he's just had success this entire time.

What are your thoughts on him, and why do you think he's successful?

He's brilliant.

I think he has both characteristics that are required to be a great coach in this league.

He has the personality and the charisma to be able to handle all the different things

that come with an NFL locker room, motivating, leading handling egos all that but then he has the second part which is the brilliance he has the coaching brilliance he just sees the game in a different way he creates these plays he creates these schemes he gets guys open it's it's very tough to play against Sean McVay it's very frustrating because he is thinking two steps ahead at all times. So you have to try and keep up with that.
And he's just really, really good at what he does. And his guys love playing for him.
And when you have that level of brilliance, it just makes everybody in the room immediately respect you. And it makes that motivation part even easier because you can step in front of an entire NFL team full of grown men and say, I've got the plan that's going to win us a game.
Just trust me. And that's what they do.
You can be a genius. You can be able to play call plays.
But if you don't win, team will get sick of your shit. And they've won.
That is kind of seen it done in Miami, right? We love McDaniel. He's a genius.
He's doing things his own way. This is the next guy.'t win though they immediately say corny hate this guy get him out of here if you win not only does the team buy in but the entire community the fan base buys in I think Sean McVay is special man I think he's right and he can go make 30 million a year on TV that was why asked that question.
That recovery part is a legitimate thing that I've been thinking about

for this game coming up because you know,

and obviously everybody here knows that played,

but I don't think the outside world truly knows that.

You've got a late Monday night game,

and then they have to travel back home because they didn't get the real home game.

So they travel back home, and then you've got to recover on Tuesday.

And now on Saturday, they have to fly out to Philly.

So that's a short week for a playoff preparation for a getting your body back b for game planning and everything that comes along with it i i really don't think that's something that the public truly understands how big of a difference that makes yeah i on your to add your point too it's playoffs so banged up. So, like, every game is just beating up more and faster, more physical these games because it could be your last game.
So you're just kind of limping through these playoffs, most guys. Yeah, and that's the thing with McVay's team.
Most people wouldn't think that. Like, they're a physical team, like, on both sides of the ball.
Like, they run the hell out of the ball. Puka, like, what he does in the blocking game and, like, the screen game, He almost takes bumps like running backs do of the ball.
Like they run the hell out of the ball. Who could, like what he does in a blocking game and like the screen game, he almost takes bumps like running backs do throughout the week.
And then on the defensive side of the ball with Chris Shuler's doing that defense, those boys up front, like off the edges, like every time you saw Sam down in the pocket, that shit was condensed. That shit was getting squeezed doing a bunch of different games in between.
So they're a physical ball club on both sides of the football.

Yeah, I concur.

Okay, and we're wrapping up here on this hour,

and we're getting a chance to chat with Jage,

first ballot Hall of Famer.

How many years have you been fake teasing going back to play?

I guess that's how I'll call that.

This is my second year retiring.

So we got three more.

All right, so we'll wait.

I'm not saying it for three more years, though.

I'm about sick of saying that. No.
Future first ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah.
Don't they? Can we just? You just say first ballot. Can we just put them in? Like Coach Saban.
They just, they put them in. College football Hall of Fame.
Can we just do that? They did it with the coaches. Are you going to be the commissioner or what? What's that? Is he going to be the commissioner or what? No.
I saw you saying he should be the commissioner. Saban, of college football.
He's the commissioner of college football. I've been trying to push that all year.
He's just not about it. He's just not working.
Yeah, he tried to pawn it off on me, I think, because he and I have had Friday dinners where we chit-chat about business and stuff, and I think he doesn't think I'm a complete doofus, but I told him publicly, you push that off of me, it's like you might as well just say, we're going to give this to a team. You're going to get some car dealerships.

You're going to get some car dealerships.

No, no, no. That is not my world, but it certainly is.

And it is a good business.

It is a good business for old Coach Saban.

That brain is a motivating one.

It is a hardworking one. It is a brilliant one.

But boy, it is a money-making machine, too.

That guy is a legend.

Okay, we only have like a minute before a hard out,

but we have to ask you, because you're

a first ballot Hall of Famer and so important, go ahead,

Thank you. but boy, it is a money-making machine, too.
That guy is a legend. Okay, we only have like a minute before a hard out, but we have to ask you, because you're a first ballot Hall of Famer and so important, go ahead, Con, man.
Yeah, JJ, how do you feel about the coaching openings that are still available? Obviously, Cowboys has kind of turned into a shit show. Vrabel's up in New England.
What do you think about all the situations going on? One minute. One minute, got it.
I think Vrabel made perfect sense up in New England. I mean, I think there no no brainer there tough physical patriot way all that stuff i think he fits great there cowboys i have zero idea what in the world that is blocking interviews from mccarthy last week and then letting him go this week getting yourselves where you can't interview ben johnson and those guys like this zero idea what's down there.
He said it's a solo mission by Jerry.

That's the latest report.

I think Jane Slater said, Jerry Jones is taking this on himself.

Great.

Listen, if it's a good hire, it's on me.

If it's a bad hire, it's on me.

You guys don't have to deal with what I'm doing.

And I'm very proud of what we did in oil and gas.

Most proud about getting to do this with my sons.

You don't want to be sitting there, I'm sorry,

laying there in the future wishing you could see a couple more sons come up take advantage of this time now you too you're not spry chicken over there thanks Jerry you walked on out all right James we appreciate the hell out of you man thanks guys appreciate y'all have a great day and see you next time all right we thank you judge No countdown clock. I was waiting for the countdown clock so I knew how much time I had.
No countdown clock. Seven, six, five, four.
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The Toxic Table is here.

That boss of Connor and that Ty Schmidt.

Boys, there was the second episode of a new sport on last night.

Sure.

TGL.

Yeah.

Some people I saw are saying after watching it, does the G stand for goofball?

Yeah.

The goofball league.

Yeah.

Okay, those people have Canadian accents and used to paint chips. Okay, that is what some people are saying from that particular demographic, I think.
Did you get a chance to watch? And what are your thoughts on TGL? I think in theory, should be amazing. I agree.
I don't know if it's as holding. I don't know if it holds people enough.
And I'm only saying that strictly because my wife has to watch a lot of sports. And I say have to because she's not a fan of all sports.
But I enjoy sports. I enjoy competition.
I enjoy watching people do their thing. I enjoy watching people sing.
I like watching people prepare and then execute. I like watching how humans go ahead and do that.
This one, I think she was really pumped early to watch it. You know, Tiger's out there.
Yep. Simulator, we got noise.
We got sound. We got an arena.
We got the entire thing. You know, Houma even, absolutely awesome.
Obviously better. Should have maybe been on week one, but that's neither here nor there we're not scheduling the entire thing but i think after about four minutes five minutes of it she was completely out she was just like i don't even know what the hell's going on here and i said you just gotta wait and then there was a couple moments you know because i can watch great people at their thing do their thing so like tiger stepping up so i'm gonna watch that yeah i'm to watch that.
I'm going to watch that. I'd watch it if it was a clip on my phone, you know, that I scroll through.
I don't know if I want to watch the entirety. I think they're still trying to figure it out, but I think in theory and concept, it is good.
How do you feel about TG? I agree. I've watched it both weeks so far.
Last week, I didn't appreciate that it was on 10 Eastern. I was just like, you know, what are we doing? We're trying to launch this thing.
Why the hell is it on so late? Obviously, there's college basketball and all that kind of stuff on ESPN. I did appreciate that it was on at 7 yesterday with Tiger and everything.
I think it's more palatable. You're going to get more people to watch, but I agree.
The whole allure of it is like, hey, we're having all these guys mic'd up. That's the big thing.
It's like, hey, you're going to hear these golfers, and you're going to get to see these guys like you never. But we've seen this in different forms with the match and all this other stuff.
These guys don't talk. They just don't.
They're just not used to talking a bunch of shit to each other. That's just not who they are.
That's not who golfers are. So they are mic'd up, but we're not getting that kind of content.
I think they're nice bulls. I agree.
I think the golfers are a nice boy. That is nine-year NFL vet, Darius J.
Butler. Massive golf fan.
Actual Butler Birdies is an account you can follow along with he and his family as they are going to dominate golf, inevitably. I think I watch it just because it's golf.
And I think I'm watching it last night because Tiger Woods is golfing even more so.

Had to.

But what they do on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, yeah.

The entertainment portion. Just like Liv.

Just like Liv.

I agree.

The presentation was just, in theory, this is all a good idea.

Presentation, it's like, come on.

Because you're right.

Some of the clips, like there was a part last night where Justin Rose had like a 10-foot putt to win a hole. And they took a timeout to ice him.
Awesome. Yeah, and he came back and sank the putt and looked right at him and pointed.
And it was like stuff like that was sweet. And the crowd was booing him and making noise and stuff like that.
Like that stuff is awesome, but it should be an hour or 30 minutes. It's just too long.
There's too much. And I think that's the whole thing, too, is like, hey, it's quick.
There's the shot clock and everything. But it feels so drawn out.
And then, again, we haven't had a close competitive one yet. That was founder of Reddit right there, Serena's husband, who owns a part of LA Golf Club's team in there, TGL.
I think they have it somewhere in there. Like, I think they have it.
I think it's a beautiful concept. I think it's a great idea.
I think they got the right people in there. You still like the tech as far as the sim and how it looks? Especially with, like, the drives.
I think it's all in there. I don't know if we need to be zooming in on a golf simulator ball flying, you know, with empty fake tech crowd behind the green when you have an entire arena.
Like, I don't, because you go to a golf, this golf sim never works. That's maybe the most impressive thing.
Without a doubt. Is that they've been able to operate with the sim working the entire time.
But like, this is a six shot, I think. I think this is awesome.
I think this is the selling point right here. Tiger Woods with tech.
Whenever Whenever they go full screen on the, like this, I think it's tough for me to like really pay tech. I like the beach.
Whenever they have like a crowd fake thing in the back, I'm like, all right, I'm in a video game now. Tiger Woods is like, I think every, I think they got it.
Yeah. Like, I think they have a chance to make this thing awesome and I'm hoping they're doing it.
I hope they do. Me too.
I think the show around it can definitely be better than it's so early on. But as, you know, golfers and me just getting into golf the last couple years, the more you see the golfers' personality, like talking shit, you know, whatever this on the green, you know, talking shit to shot, throwing the hammer gimmick, which I don't know where they got that from, the hammer gimmick.
Love the hammer. The timeouts, like you mentioned.
So I like the different elements. Like you said, it's in there somewhere.
It's only the second episode. And a close game would be great.
They lose 12-1. I thought they got three points at one point because they said it because they were trying to lay it.
And then I look at score. It didn't change.
So then I thought they had a delayed score. I'm like, can't have that.
Can't have a Mickey Mouse score operation happening. And then I never saw the point change.
And I'm like, okay. So he didn't get points.
I thought they just got three points. It's cool.
It's in there. So I saw that.
So that was the hammer. That's a 12-year NFL vet.
Also a golf aficionado. Built like a Buddha.
Swings like John Daly. He's a gentleman at A.Q.
Shipley. Well, that was the hammer.
And then they threw the hammer back, so it goes from two points to three. Double hammer.
Double hammer goes from two points to three points, but then they tied the hole. Because they tied the hole, no points exchange.
There's so much. It stinks.
It absolutely stinks. There's the guy that said the thing that I said.
It does. I mean, we don't got to beat around the bush here.
We all know it stinks right now. Can it get better? Yes, it probably will.

But right now, it's not very good.

But we will watch it.

We will watch it.

I watched it last night.

As a golf guy, I don't mind watching it.

I enjoy watching it.

But the golfers are too boring to carry the conversation.

And then you leave Matt Berry on an island by himself the whole time.

Matt Berry needs a partner in this thing to kind of carry the contract. And Marty's there.

Yeah, Marty's there.

And it should be Marty.

I don't know why we don't have more Marty.

But yeah, Matt Berry needs some help.

I think we need more Marty.

Golfers are too boring.

They need an instigator.

They need someone who...

They need a regular human on all these things.

That's what I need.

Shooter McGavin.

Someone who will actually get under these guys' skin a little bit.

Maybe Shooter McGavin,

but they need a regular human on every team.

And that person has to at least be a part of it. Now, can you earn your way into it potentially? And you can get a ringer maybe.
You can get a ringer maybe. Maybe that'll happen.
But I think there should be, no, I think you should have to have a handicap. I think you should have to be 10.
I think handicaps should have to be 10. And I think that should be a part of this entire thing.
Now we're playing the game. They need someone with a mic on the green.

And when someone has a huge putt for birdie or whatever it is for the win,

that person should be interviewing the players and even the person doing the putt.

Like, they need a little more interactivity.

Kelly James music.

They need Kelly James music.

Get him out there.

He already knows every one of these golfers.

Exactly.

Are you also thinking like a psych out like basketball?

No.

So what I'm thinking, maybe, and they can put that on the backboard too imagine lining up looking at that

thing and then all of a sudden she pops up in your face whoa yeah like an rpg coming at you

or something yeah exactly whoa yeah could be any of those things what are we yeah that would be

awesome and people are gonna think we're making a mockery of you know and we're not spitball the

thought of a regular human being on one of each team. Smart.
Be amazing. Just thought of it.
Just in real time here. Because you said instigated.
We would assume that person would be a standard golfer whenever you go out and golf. Oh, yeah.
Or that person's scared to death. Exactly.
One of them, too. Then we all get to see it.
It's just like the field goal kicking thing on Saturdays. You know, these people all want to do it.
They're signing up. They're getting a ticket.
They get called for it. And then we're watching these people in real time have to battle.
And every once in a while, there's a Henry Silver down in Georgia who steps up to the plate and buries a kick. And then there's more often than not somebody, you see their entire body shrivel up.
It's like, oh, fuck. I can't do this.
Imagine that on TGL. Tiger Woods standing like this on the other side of the tee box.
Whatever it matters to. Think about what Tiger would do to a regular human if it was 10-10.
What's a regular score for this fucking thing? 12-0. Yeah, but what could be the score? Like 10-10, 5-5, whatever it is? I want to say 7 is the magic number.

7-7.

So let's say it's 7-7, 18th.

And this regular-ass motherfucker's girlfriend,

and Tiger is just sitting right over his shoulder.

That's a moment now, all of a sudden.

And then what if you hit one pure there?

Just like D-Butt did at the L.A. Chargers facility,

which was at a lot of pressure, a lot of eyes.

You were representing all of us.

Hit the ball very, very well.

Don't embarrass the program.

Joining us now, only rule. It encompasses a lot of things.
Don't embarrass the program. Joining us now is a man who's never done that.
Never. Never would.
Couldn't, actually. Had a great haircut yesterday.
I don't know if it still looks as sharp, but we're excited to see. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner from the Ohio State University university ladies and gentlemen aj hawk yeah aj you heard the brainstorm there about tgl you heard uh what are you what are your thoughts on all of what we said and then do you have any additives to maybe make this thing as awesome as we think it can be because much like bruce brown and i were talking about earlier it was on so i watched it and if we're to watch it let's make it great and I think they can I think it's a brilliant concept AJ yeah I think there's something there I don't have all the solutions I don't ever claim to be that guy but I think there is something there you're right they're on to something I feel like maybe even I mean you don't want to make a mockery of the whole situation I joked about the whole spin around on a bat thing and then make them hit while they're all dizzy.
Maybe like random stuff like that every once in a while, but that might be too Mickey Mouse or people will hate. But what about just getting different groups of people to play each other? It doesn't have to be golfers.
What if you had, you know, like football players, four buddies on one team play four buddies on another team, like rivals. NBA, NFL.
What if you had NFL coaches that play, that maybe hate each other secretly or rumored behind the scenes? They play each other because we'd see some of those guys, you know, like all of us can do. Oh, here we go.
I just sliced one and just donged some poor old lady in the head in the front row. Like, they're going to have to protect themselves as well and maybe put some nets up.
And we saw Kisner blade one that could have won in the crowd. I don't know if they were ready for that.
It hits the – Tiger loved it. That's a huge deal that that hit that that that hit that because there's humans back there oh yeah you know and that's uh i don't think they got a net up like it's baseball because they never expect that to happen so it hitting off the flag is a huge smoke i think that was very very see that's what everybody should have to do though because kisner had like 14 beers right before he went out there so like if they have one guy on each team have to do that then then all of a sudden we've got a game.
That is a potential marketing op that I don't know how the Hulkster hasn't seen yet. No kidding.
Real American beer hole. His backyard, too.
Got to chug 20 of them, brother. Yeah.
Can't hit yet. Got to keep going.
You got to chug as much as the Hulkster chugs real American beer. Then you can go.
So I think they're going to figure it out. Didn't even think about the non-professional golfers in the tgo arena over there but marty should be there sorry before you go on marty should be there as an instigator or just a guy just lobbing questions at them as they're transitioning from shot to shot whatever they're doing like i think they need something like that yeah what are you thinking about here tig you know hey what what do you got going through your mind right now well i'm trying to think if it's a right to like he powered one through early a putt yeah that i don't know what he thought he saw did he make that place then he created he created that he did i don't know what he i was a terrible read i didn't go left yeah and then it went like six feet past i was like tied the hole i guess yep that's good yep good good i guess because if'm golfing there, obviously every human on earth is going to make that.

You're going to have to make that six-foot putt.

Oh, yeah.

That Tiger Woods just powered through the entirety of it all.

I think they're going to figure it out.

Let's go to Hammer.

Don.

Don.

AJ, I don't know if you know this.

Pittsburgh Steelers are in complete disarray.

Everybody hates everybody.

Let's go to Tone Diggs.

Tone, have you gotten any updates on any of the things we chatted about in the first hour

about your beloved Pittsburgh Steelers? No, unfortunately, there's been no updates yet as far as the mass changes that are expected to happen. We are still status quo.
So no news to break at this moment. Okay, I would like a little bit of an update if you could have it.
Sure. Because we're from the town with the great football team.
Go on and get them Steelers. You like that song? I mean, just banger after banger, huh? See, that one stinks, but the here we go Steelers is a great one.
The polka does not stink. The polka does, but the other one is first class.
Well, they're hoping that they can sing that and actually win Super Bowl. Here we go.
Again, that's what they're saying. Here we go.
Again. Steelers.
Here we go. Again.
Pittsburgh's gonna try to win a Super Bowl. Here we go.
Again. Steelers.
Here we go. That's kind of the song.
Yeah. Is it? Let's go to Hammer.

Dot, dot.

Did we figure out the new song for the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Is that how you guys feel?

No, I don't think that's how it should go.

I don't think anyone in Pittsburgh would enjoy that song. Isn't that kind of how you guys feel, though?

Here we go again.

Steelers, here we go.

That's kind of how everybody feels, right?

Again.

I mean, sure, but we're not changing the song.

Well, it sounds like you guys aren't hearing the old song anymore. What you're hearing is Here we go again Steelers.
Here we go. It's actually kind of catchy.
Was the beat made for that? Are the Packers or the Chargers or the Bucs, any of those teams changing their songs this offseason? Let's not start pointing fingers. Come on.
The Colts haven't won the AFC South in 10 years we don't need to start talking about everybody else's lawn okay let's just talk about your front yard pal which is obviously going to be kept very clean and I think Tallman does have the answers I think Steelers are going to figure it out got a lot of question marks but that's a good thing you can get have a nice refresh in a reset maybe even though you keep the same person as the head coach.

AQ Shipley was calling for him earlier.

Did you hear that, H?

Did you hear what AQ was saying earlier?

Yeah, a little bit, but I want to ask AQ quickly.

If someone said you had a good working relationship,

is that a positive AQ or is that a negative, you think?

A good working relationship is positive.

I think so, too.

But does that mean you have a very poor personal relationship if it's a coach? Does it matter? Does it matter? I think so, too. But does that mean you have a very poor personal relationship

if it's a coach?

Does it matter?

Does it matter?

I think you're right.

I guess you could say they have a good professional working relationship,

but there's got to be mutual respect for it to be decent,

to be a good partnership.

And I think if you do have a – and I asked does it matter,

and as you were chatting there and you talked about mutual respect,

I was like, I think it does matter. I think you do have – if you like each other you like each other you're going to be much better.
Now I don't know where this is coming from. Marco Boli put this out said substantiated rumors and allegedly this source from the building says this about Russ and Artie Smith and we know Artie and we think we know Russell.
We could see how potentially there would be a differing of how people operate in their day to day operations but maybe this But maybe this was a little bit bigger story than anybody was giving credit to. Maybe next year there will be full harmony.
Maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to the Super Bowl. There they go.
Joining us now is a man who might be coaching. Maybe.
The Steelers? Maybe. Him and Russ would see how to eye.
Ladies and gentlemen, the man who has put ESPN daily television on his back for the better part of, what, the last three years? Yeah. Always on your television.
Crazy. Non-stop.
I'm on TV a lot. Too much.
I'm about to own me. That's why I wore Cam Flush so people couldn't see.
Sure. You know, it's kind of hot out here.
This guy was on TV all day, every day for the better part of the last three football seasons. And we appreciate him for that because he just started out as ex-highlight reel breakdown guy.
Now he's this. Dan Orlovsky.
Dan Orlovsky. Breaking out film right there.
Breaking out film right there. He was doing an email.
He was doing his business while we were introducing him. Thank you for joining us and taking time away from whatever was just happening on that laptop, brother.
Typing up an email, huh? Giving ideas? Yeah, stuff for today's show. I was responding to something for a graphic that I kind of wanted to have built.
Oh, we thought it was potentially to an NFL team. Ty has a question for you.
Yeah, Dano, there was, I believe it was the Acme Packers account kind of repurposed something you may have said that said, hey, listen, I would love to be the Packers quarterback coach because Tom Clements is stepping down. He's retiring.
Is there any truth to that? Are you going to be coaching Jordan Love next year? And how'd that come about? I think it came about because someone sent something on social media about that or something in regards to, I believe, Clement's retiring. Is there any truth to it? I have had conversations with places.
I feel like this happens almost every year. I'm very flattered by it about stuff in the coaching world.
I've had those again this year. It's something that I say this all the time.
This is just me being very honest about everything like i love being at espn i love doing tv i do i really do you guys i'm sure experience this as well like there is a um you know when you grow up in the locker room and you grow up in that environment where you do it together and it's always a part of a team which was something i cravedved as much as anything, you know, when you don't have that, you miss being a part of that group. And so, um, you know, there's always a desire.
There still is a desire to kind of continue to be, have that be a part of like my, the fabric of my life type of thing and every day. And so there is the desire and the craving to have that.
And also coach, I have so many friends that coach, I mean, I just saw Josh McCown on Monday night, leaving the stadium to the airport and I saw him and it was just a quick embrace. And how are you doing? And he's like, dude, I love it.
I saw TJ Yates. Who's a buddy of mine.
He took my job in Houston when we were with Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. And you know, he's the quarterback coach down there.
I said, how do you, how do you like you said, you said dude I love it so I have a lot of friends who are in that world that are really smart football people and they love it you know and um if it's the right place right time right people it seems to be a really really fun experience okay okay well we're incredibly proud of you uh for coming to that point in decision and obviously I think you were trying to shy away from that before because you didn't want to potentially deter any TV opportunities. I think in the past, yeah, that it felt that way.
Now, it's like you're getting to the point where you're like, you know, every year I'm getting asked and every year I'm doing more research. And it does sound like something that's special.
And you talked about the locker room environment and being a part of something is special. That's normally what people say whenever they retire, what they miss the most is also not only being a part of something, but having a goal, having a mission, having a purpose.
I don't want to say a purpose because everybody has a purpose, but whenever you're on a football team, it's like, hey, this is the objective. We are trying to win this weekend.
We are trying to win this season. We are trying to win this day.
That structure, too, people miss. And you think you'd be able to get right back into that whole world? I think so.
Yeah, I do. I'm pretty structured now.
I'm wired that way. I kind of have a routine-based personality.
I think there's two things part of it, too. I go back to the moment when Kevin O'Connell, after that Vikings win over Green Bay a couple weeks ago, and he was just in the locker room watching the team embrace Sam Darnold.
Imagine that feeling, you know, like as a coach, taking that player and bringing him to a place. That's got to be such like a fulfilling experience.
And also, you know, I remember having a conversation with J.J. Reddick this past offseason when he was in conversations with coaching and whatnot.
And one of the things that stood out to me that he said was he has a son and he really wants his son to kind of experience growing up in that environment as well. I got three.
So, um, yeah, there's a, there's a lot of appeal to it. There is, I do think, you know, I have a ton of respect for those coaches and the grind that they go through.
And, you know, they obviously have done it for a long time, but, um, I think anything in life, as long as you're passionate about it and you try to outwork every human being that is on the planet at it,

you'll be better than him.

Yeah, I think that is a key to success.

And some people forget the work ethic part of things.

They think they just fall to the top of the mountain.

That is not the case.

And if you're willing to put those hours – I mean, A. Kusch was a coach

for a little bit.

He wasn't a quarterback coach.

He was an assistant offensive line coach.

Yeah.

Obviously, the hours, you've got three kids, so you understand that. And you've had to watch film and four kids, sorry, three boys.
Beautiful baby girl who's tough as nails. She's an absolute problem.
Yeah, yeah, she's awesome. She's much cooler than her day.
That is like an easy thing. But coaching, that is a very very task time tasking job which i think is why

like aj and i are like we're not supposed to be coaches because there's a lot of desk watching

right isn't that kind of how it goes well that's just the the from the beginning of time that's

what they did i mean back in the day the reason it's called cut-ups is they literally had to cut

up film and it took that much time technology has uh made things a lot easier so you can you can

get the same work done without the same amount of hours but we're still living in the old world of have to be there yeah and not only do you just have to be there you have to fix things whenever technology kind of takes a dump all over itself that's right so this is super bowl champion look at that look at that it's a super bowl champion uh 12-year nfl vet i fixed this shit out of that coffee machine. Let me tell you.
Yeah, that coffee machine had no chance against you. No chance.
That mask had no chance against my nose either as it was down over my neck. Or face.
Yeah, but to be clear, I think whenever AQ was done with that, he was incredibly pumped that he helped the team, which is something that you get to experience whenever you join a team or you become a coach about. You contribute to something bigger than yourself,

and you actually get to reap the benefits from it all.

I'm excited to kind of watch.

Go ahead, AJ.

Dana, we're seeing it seems like more teams this year after the season,

they're talking about accountability and finding players for being late.

It sounds like star players on multiple teams might be showing up late

or not doing what they're supposed to do at times. Is this something like when you talk to coaches around a league, is this a league-wide problem? Is this something that you feel like is easy to correct for teams that may have this issue, or do you have to clean house and figure things out? I don't think it's an easy correct.
I mean, I think that one of the things that has constantly been a part of the NFL, and one of the reasons why there was such an admiration for what Bill Belichick and the Patriots did was, you know, they, most of the people that are players on your team make more money than most of your coaches. And there's a handful, if not more guys on your team, they make more money than the head coach.
And so, you know, a lot of times I'm sure we have all experienced that we're head coaches, something guys like I make double the amount money triple the amount of money you make so there's nothing for us to talk about here um I don't I haven't had really experience with coaches referencing that that was has been an issue and whatnot um you know in our conversations and in the I mean we had Harbaugh so Harbaugh's the most you know kind of positive person I've ever been around I think it's an issue. I do think it stems back to kind of where the era that we're in now with youth sports and entitlement.
There's a ton of entitlement in youth sports. And I think that goes all the way up to high school.
And there's a ton of entitlement in high school sports. And then it obviously goes into the college world.
And the NIL has been very positive. There's also created some, you know,

butterfly effect that hasn't maybe had a positive impact and entitlement is

certainly a part of that.

And so I think that there's just an era of athlete going into the NFL.

That's a little bit different than the ones of the past.

It doesn't make it, I guess, bad. I don't want to, but it's different, you know,

and it's, it's another thing that those coaches kind of have to handle. You would have to handle.
Yeah. You get the right people, though.
Right people. Oh, you're saying just into your quarterback room.
We're going to figure out who doesn't have this issue before having to deal with the issue? That's what you're saying? Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that when at any level you're trying to get people into your building or whatnot, high school, you've got to make sure, especially nowadays, that those people are wired the right way, made of the right stuff, think about it the right way. That's one thing.
I think that's why general managers are becoming so popular in college football as well, too, is you've got to handle a lot more, and that's one way to deflect it as the coaches i don't want to deal with that you hire it you you hire someone to deal with it no turds they're gonna sneak through that they're gonna be like those houdini dumps that are down right in the bottom you can't even see them that's right and then every once in a while they're gonna fester and you're gonna need yep boom dove man whole body do because even after a little bit of boom dingle bell dude wipes you're gonna make sure that stanky ass doesn't smell you know and that's that's those who not a problem i got so many dude wipes still at my house it's great yeah it's because you farted on air all the time that became like a trend i don't know if that's gonna be your quarterback room hey guys welcome to today i don't know if that's gonna be like your gimmick dude we were in

uh we were in uh baltimore for week 18 we did the the browns ravens game and we went down on the

field so me fowler and lewis went down on the field um right before kickoff essentially just

to wander say hi to some people and as i'm walking just off the sideline to go back up to the booth

Thank you. and Lewis went down on the field right before kickoff, essentially, just to wander, say, shout out to some people.
And as I'm walking just off the sideline to go back up to the booth, some dude yells from the stands, Dan, was it a fart? Yes or no? That's awesome. I looked at him.
I hit him with like a shrug. And the whole group was like, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, he got jacked up. Shout out to the boys over there in Baltimore, obviously, that's seen the clip.
Watch you just fart right live on air there's actually a sign outside that's still outside the gate oh yeah and it was uh still there yep and it's actually on the google images now i think if you were to look it is actually a part of the building uh so a lot of people are wondering about your uh flatulence there it is why don't you hold them in keep them in there you know and good luck with whatever you do. I'm excited to watch how you handle all of those things.
Let's talk about the future of the NFL. Obviously, a rookie superstar potentially.
Z-Butch has a question for you. Yeah, you're talking about coaching in the quarterback rooms.
The number one pick this year, Caleb Williams. Obviously, we see what Cliff was able to do with Jaden still playing.
Sean Payton was able to do a Bo Nix. I believe I saw a tweet.
I don't know if it was AI or not. But you was tweeting saying, I can make Caleb or I would make Caleb a superstar.
I just want to know if you were to get into that room with him, how would you coach him to see that growth and see him take the next step on this level? Yeah, I think that a lot of people could do that because he's super talented. i think the number one thing you have to get him to do is play in structure and and realize the um the benefit of that it's not just hey you got to learn how to play in structure and play on time and play into the rhythm of the offense and have that be a focus point you got to get him to understand the why behind that hey why is playing in structure such a big deal and also making sure that you don't try to take away the special talent that he has.
I think that's the biggest challenge is the last thing you want to do is steal his magic. And last thing you want to do is take away the reason why you drafted him number one, because he has uncoachable traits, but the uncoachable traits don't matter, nor do they ever get to show up unless you are consistently as a quarterback within timing, within rhythm.
Because there's four or five plays a game as a coach where the defense wins the rep. You know, the defense has the perfect play call and they play it perfectly.
All 11 guys on defense. That's what makes Lamar, Lamar and Patrick, Patrick and Josh, Josh, is you can play it perfectly and it won't matter.
They could defy the laws of physics.

They could break the rules of your defense.

And Caleb has that talent.

But it doesn't get to show itself unless you are willing to do what's needed in that play.

I think that the number one starting point, D-Bud, is, okay, what play are we calling?

And you've got to get him to completely understand what play you're calling.

What's the opportunity in that play? If we get this defense, how do we hurt it? And what's the problem of that play? If we get this defense or this pressure, what's our answer? We have to be, have an answer

for everything. Okay.
The second thing is what's the defense? You know, what does the defense mean

to me? I think we lose sight of that. So consistently these teams, they call plays and then the defense, you're going to the line of scrimmage and you don't know what you're getting.
And so you, the defense is asking you a question of like, what are you going to do with this, this front or this pressure or this coverage? You do got to have the answer to that. And that's what is playing in structure.
And that's what's playing on rhythm. That's what allow guys to play fast.
And then you always, you know, I remember Gary Kubiak constantly having us as quarterbacks. We would study the game plan.
Every single play would have to know. And we would have to know exactly what was the number one defense that was a problem for every play.
If you got to line of scrimmage, you got this defense. Or what would be the defense that's the problem at the line of scrimmage? If we got cover four and they match everything on the inside, well, then what's the answer? Where does the ball go? And so I think that that's the starting point for Caleb and his development.
I also think this, though, for a guy, he's interesting in this regard, but he makes some throws that are unbelievable. Like the accuracy is remarkable.
And then there's throws where you go, why'd you miss that one by five feet? And so I do think there's just the constant improvement of, and mechanically he's not flawed. He's pretty darn good mechanically.
The constant improvement of the visual element of things, I think improves his accuracy in those moments. Okay, so Caleb Williams, potentially a superstar, going to have to learn a lot lot I think the one game we were watching I don't I don't know who was calling it um basically it was breaking down it was you actually it was a clip that you posted on x I think the way the defense showed it was an obvious he's supposed to throw left situation very easy to read it was cover two we're doing this on this particular play we're going left instead he sees and he throws to the right, which was not the right play within that particular play, which I think is what you just kind of tried to lay out.
I don't think a lot of us understood that until I saw the clip where it was like, hey, the quarterback's job, if they see this, even within this play, is like, hey, we're going right here, right now. This is the answer to the test right now.
And then whenever you miss it, if it's not pointed out live in real time, I think a lot of people just think, that was a stupid play. You know, like that's a thing.
That's kind of like, for me, Pat, I don't like when people say, well, quarterback, you can't predetermine your throw. Why? I mean, why do we get into certain formations as an offense, and why do we motion people in certain ways? Well, we're trying to create information.
We're trying to get, so if I know you're in a certain coverage and I know that this is the concept that we have called, and it's the perfect concept versus that coverage, why would I not? Now, I don't think you assume things. You got to confirm that the defense is what you're expecting, but it very much so like that's how you get to play fast.
That's why these teams get into certain formations and motions. And so I do think that's a part of it is just really, really getting those young players and Caleb specifically to understand all of that, the why behind it.
Um, and then letting it loose, man. Yeah.
You got to cover up the body ass stink, you know, you got to cover up the, the bad football. You got to cover up the bad player.
You got to put Dio, dio your name's dio while he's giving his answer

and you cover up bad shit i mean you should have a deal with them so like i know we got you a dude

wipes deal you're welcome you know you did thank you and potentially your espn deal you're welcome

but the i'll take that as well you sent my daughter to taylor swift so thank you for that as well yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah this one it feels like a natural fit as you were doing this i'm like

oh dan i was coming in to kind of cover up people's stink and then i like literally staring at him

I'm like,

Thank you for that as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
This one, it feels like a natural fit. As you were doing this, I'm like, oh, Dano's coming in to kind of cover up people's stink on this.
And then I literally was staring at him like, Dano's whole body, D.O. D.O.
He's bad football, D.O. Is this all an audition, too, these answers he's been giving? It sounds like he's trying to tell people, like, hey, I know football.
Yeah, a little bit. Oh, man.
You know what he is? Yeah. You know what he is? Stay away from the playbook, Dan.
Chicago might have your guy ready to look for a head coach. Yeah, that's happened before, right, where an owner has watched somebody on TV say something and be like, yeah, why don't my people say this? Oh, yeah.
You're out. Hey, excuse me.
Would you like to come in? That's happened very much through the history of sports media in the NFL. Dano's just saying, hey, just here's my thoughts.
Here's my philosophy. Now, AJ, you asked a question there that I think is a big one.
Where did you say? I said, do you have a playbook that you would take into an interview, Dan, if you were someone said, hey, you want to be our OC or quarterback coach? Yeah, I would morph the playbook of the Kyle Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, Mike Shanahan stuff. So a little bit of what Kyle does now.
I think a little bit of what Kevin O'Connell does now. And then I would also morph a little bit of the Joe Brady, Liam Cohen stuff that they do, which is a little new age, four by one, outnumbering people, the use of two back, but kind of two half back, maybe not just a fullback.
I love the versatility of Buffalo's offense, Baltimore's offense. So I think it's kind of a combination of the stuff that's been in the league for a long time, but some of the new age, four-by-one, RPO, quarterback design run.
Okay, so I didn't know we were just going to do a coach's interview here, but what's your day one message to the group? No, no, no. If you could please tell me, what are the three key words? What's the mantra? What's the room going to be known for whenever you look back? No, no, no, no.
I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet.
Well, let's get there. Why not? Why aren't we there? Well, that's a question I have.
Why aren't you there yet? How come you haven't decided to do the coaching thing over the past couple years? Were you scared of it? Did you think you weren't going to be good? Why is now the time that you're thinking about getting it? You miss it? Have you even tried it? Do you even coach your kid's team? Are you allowed to coach your kid's team in the county in which you live? I've always got a big basketball game tonight. Undefeated versus undefeated.
Holy shit. Holy.
All three of them are guards, and then you just got two other guys playing? Not dedicated to them. Two of them play.
My third one doesn't play because he has autism, so he's just not sports draw everything. Coolest kid in the world.
I got one who's a 3 and D guy, and then one who thinks he's Jason Williams, but he's more like White Chocolate. Well, you have no idea, brother.
I got the elbow pass in my bag. I mean, Boston Connor and White Chocolate are certainly playing two different styles of basketball.
Connor is a stroker, though. Oh, yeah.
So when AQ just said, Connor can... 3 and D.
He can splash it. I got a 3 and D.
Guess what the names of the two kids that we got to shut down tonight are? Westport, Connecticut. We got Bo and Gunner.
Bo and Gunner don't yes you guys are screwed dude bow and gunner are about to go bananas up yeah do not let gunner get hot early yeah you know gunner is gunner is this wiry flowy long-haired athlete that shows up in strokes dude okay yeah so how that's a big white guy he's a big white there at UConn. Yeah, same exact kind of style and vibe for their men's match.
How old are these boys that are playing? These boys are in the 12-13 world, 7th graders. And we're watching film already on the other team.
How do you know so much about the opponent? Win everything, one thing at a time, AJ. Everybody knows about Connor up there.
Both Are you kidding me? When Arleshi got coffee this morning the guy giving it to him said hey good luck with Bo Yeah you're right I forgot about that and he went down the street there Okay so your coach, what's the speech? Are we giving a speech? I'd like to hear how we'd maybe rally a bunch of 12 year olds or maybe an NFL team that you're currently interviewing for. You got to stop.
Publicly. I'm not going to be big.
I won't be big pregame with them. All right.
Hey, let's go play our game. It's another game.
Go play our game. Just another game.
Bone Gunner over there. Go play our game, boys.
They don't think it's another game. They think it's a championship game.
Now, 20 seconds in, I'll probably dog cuss one of my kids for not playing hard enough. Nice.
How sweet is your timeout? You do big timeouts? How are we? I'm the assistant coach. My boy Chuck is the head coach.
I'm the assistant. He knows a lot more about it.
I don't know anything about basketball. Bo and Gunnar taking on Chuck and Dan is a Connecticut matchup that they've been dreaming of out here.
Chuck couldn't sleep. We're playing against Bo, Gunnar, Hendricks, and Ari.
Oh, shit. Hendricks and Ari.
That's a tag team there at the back half. Hendricks is a problem.
Hendricks is a problem. You don't like Ari? What's that all about? Ari's a hooper, but Hendricks plays his freaking rear end off.
Okay. What's it? You okay, AJ? You okay, AJ? I have a son named Hendricks.
It made me chuckle. I have a 12-year-old named Hendricks.

Yeah, Hendricks is a great name.

Is he playing in Connecticut?

Hendricks.

Hendricks.

Is Axl rolling up there?

What the hell?

Could you imagine?

Hold on now.

I didn't know the 12-year-olds were doing this much scouting of rosters

and filming everything in these tournaments.

Think about when Axl Hawk is coming to town.

As an 11-year-old, the other team, the coach.

Is this the puker? Yeah. Yeah.
He's the puker. Is he a meathead? Yeah, he is.
But, I mean, my 9-year-old right before that, after the Rose Parade, actually clogged up a toilet that had 20 people waiting for it because he put paper towels in it. This is better.
He turned 9 on the trip. And he came walking out with his shirt tucked in.
And my 11-year-old said he just started dying laughing because he knew he took a dump in there and then all of a sudden the lady walked in a hotel aj no no uh in a mexican restaurant at the rose parade so there's like 25 people waiting for the one bathroom yeah he put paper towels in because they were out of toilet paper what's the name you know it's crazy kid hendrix that we're playing, his little brother did the same thing in their house this week. It bursted the pipes.
Their home is flooded and they're living in. Hey, look, he's laughing in their face.
It's cold as it's ever been. They got some adversity.
They got some adversity over there. Good luck to all parties.
Good luck to all parties. Yeah, he does.
He's got their signs. Yeah, he seems like he's in their huddle.
Up there in New England. Connecticut is not a New England.
What's that? We do not claim them. They do not count.
Just yesterday, they said they were in. We're 100% New England.
They're just as much as the tri-state area. Westchester, all those, they basically are part of Connecticut.
They can have them in New York. They're not New England.
That's where New England is split to New York and New England? It's basically everywhere around Connecticut and up. Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine.
Why don't you claim Connecticut? Half the state, at least half the state, from the middle of the state, north through all, Red Sox fans, Patriots fans, Celtics and Bruins, and then half the state south is all New York. So that's, we're negotiating.
Bingo! So half of Connecticut is New England. No, no, we don't do halves.
We do all or not. And that's why Connecticut's fucking out.
Live for your die, brother. Bingo.
You think New Hampshire's going to take some Connecticut shit? Give me a break. Okay, let's get back to some football.
Shout out to the Revolution. Jesus, people, man.
Shout out to the Revolution region, by the way. We appreciate what you did up there.
You're welcome. You're welcome for your country.
Would that same area now do that? We don't got to talk about it now. Okay.
Let's move mean? Let's move forward. Back into football conversation, shall we?

The Revolution regions.

There's so much history.

You got married up there.

Yes, I did.

That church was – I was a part of history.

Old church in America.

George, right?

George Washington used to be there.

Rhode Island.

Proud member of New England.

It's like a trip to Europe real quick.

Yeah.

You know, you go back in time.

Just like whenever you go out to, like, wine country out there.

Complete opposite. But it is like you're in Europe.
It's just a very different spot let's get back to football let's go to philadelphia okay america's first capital hell yeah usa usa usa how to get one of those in with a camo shirt on love it how to do that hey kush has a question forish has a question for you about Philly. Yeah, Dan, you did a breakdown the other day of Philly's offense

and you were defending Jalen Hurts and receivers not being open

and this, that, and the other, right?

So as you watch that film, who do you see as the fault of that?

Do you blame Kellen Moore?

Do you blame the receivers?

Do you blame Jalen?

Why are guys not getting open?

Yeah, I don't blame the receivers at all.

I think it's probably a combination of Kellen Moore and Jalen Hurts. I would say this.
There's a lot of evidence that their pass game doesn't go over the middle of the field. So I would say that there's probably an amount of information that they have as a coaching staff that says they don't execute don't execute plays past game wise over the middle field very well so it's probably a little bit of trying to make sure that Jalen's in a situation where he's executing the plays that he's most comfortable with on a consistent basis and it feels like a lot of those are on the perimeter and then as as telling more he's trying to figure out how many different ways or is there a different way to get the ball in a layered concept or crosses over the middle of the field.
And so I think that's probably a little bit of both of them. I think as a play caller, you've got to constantly, Kellen's going to have to constantly try to find some areas.
Because if I was Rams, defensively, I'm sitting there going, he's going to let you throw the ball outside this week. Yeah, I'm going to make, and I think that's what Halfley did with Green Bay, was it felt like Halfley was like, all right, you're not throwing the ball on the perimeter.
I'm going to force you to throw the ball over the middle field, and I'm going to cover it up in the ways that, because Jalen, specifically on the inside stuff, I think AQ, Jalen plays pretty decently in timing on the outside stuff, the stop routes, the out routes, the big comebacks, the go balls. But on the inside stuff, it's not like a, it's not bang, bang, piston-like.
And I think the Rams are going to be very aware of that and say, all right, we're not going to allow you to do that. So I think it's a combination of, you know, Jalen's got to trust it a little bit more when he sees it over the middle field.
and then Kellen's got to figure out ways that he can, you know, live in the RPO world, live in the one-on-one world on the outside,

try to create some play-action chunk shots. And then is there a concept or two that he has supreme confidence in Jalen operating kind of really efficiently over the middle of the field? So I really don't believe it's a receivers can't win type of thing.
I think it's a little bit of them figuring

out in playoff defenses

what's best for them.

We're playing catch over here because we're getting so jacked

up about football. When you talk about

those throws that Jalen Hurts has to make,

you're talking about the ones that got to have a little feather.

A little bit of feather on that.

You got to have a little feather. You got to get over a layer

and in front of somebody else. That's not easy.

That's an elite thrower's

quality. So you're kind of saying maybe he's

not as confident. He can make those throws.

He's not a little feather. You've got to get over a layer in front of somebody else.
That's not easy. That's an elite thrower's quality.
So you're kind of saying maybe he's not as confident. He can make those throws.
He has shown that he's made those throws, but it's not every single time. And maybe he's gunshot on having to potentially do that, right? Yeah, I think, too, is go back to the Super Bowl year.
Tua is good. I go back to the 22 season.
I don't have a lot of memory of Jalen looking uncomfortable in the pocket, almost unwilling to step up into those seams. He did.
Or he hung there and delivered the ball. I think last year, you know, that started to show itself a little bit.
It has a little bit this year. And so just getting him comfortable to not only like hanging in that pocket, but seeing in that pocket as well, I do believe is something that they're constantly trying to work through.
And so, yeah, it is that, you know, if you guys remember the Lamar, the third and 13 touchdown to Bateman this weekend, like it was just, it's just enough air to get over and underneath defenders, defenders fully extended arm but firm enough that it doesn't sail over that next level yeah this throw i mean if this is like see that ball's probably you know 10 12 feet off the ground so it's just over that second level defender but also right in in kind of that that chest bread basket area for bateman is that double barreledpointer fingers. It was double-pointer fingers.
He's pointing at you, you, you, you, you. You should see how good of a throw that was by Lamar, I think, is what he was doing to the camera after the celebration, which looked awesome.
But, yeah, that's the elite arm talent that Lamar has. I think he was just pointing, you, you, you.
That looks like a bub-bub-bub-bub. No, he said, you, you, you, you, you.
You need to see what Lamar just did from my angle. That's what he said.
He said, wait until you get the Skycam, the All-22 on this thing. You're going to be really impressed.
But to your point, that touch and everything like the pinpoint accuracy and then the, what would that be called whenever you're assuming he'll be at a position? You know, the. Throw it to a spot.
Throw it to a spot. But confidence, the anticipation.
There it is. The anticipation on speed, on wear, that's all just like a natural feel, I think.
It's just natural for Lamar as opposed to thinking about it all, which is potentially happening with some of the younger guys. CJ's great at it as well.
You know, CJ is sensational throwing some of those big ins to Nico. That's where, you know, those reps of timing and what's the landmark for the route.
B-Bot knows that so well. That's why defenders try to get hands on guys because, hey, I want to throw this football four yards.
Yeah, I want to throw this ball off X-Hitch four yards inside the hash at 18 yards and I got to trust that you're going to get there. So as a quarterback, I'm like, I'm cutting this sucker loose and, you know, Carson Palmer was the greatest ever at it.
One of the – Okay, Peyton Manning played football. So Carson Palmer is certainly good.
Okay, but what you were just underrated – Hey, Carson and Ocho were so good at it. Okay, I agree.
Listen, I agree. I agree 1,000%.
But we're having a Marvin Harrison-Peyton Manning conversation now all of a sudden. No doubt.
And there is also Reg in that entire time. Dallas Clark at the tight end position.
The amount of reps they took was because this thing is leaving my hand. You're going to be nowhere near looking at the ball.
And the DB is actually going to think there's no way the ball is in the air right now. And as soon as that turn,

boom,

it's just right in the spot.

He was like the anticipate,

but the amount of reps they had to take to get there.

I mean, it was just like,

we're repping this out.

We're repping this out.

We're repping this out.

We're repping this out.

So many,

like getting a chance to watch like an off season workout,

uh,

through that entire lockout year.

It's like,

holy shit.

I didn't know.

It was like,

it is like,

we are going to be on the same page for sure. No what.
And then you'll have to see the defense the exact same way as well. And it's like – that's why they were such a – like a machine almost.
D-Bud just told me the story about Brady. Bingo.
Burrow, Jamar, go ahead, pal. D-Bud just was talking about Brady and, like, the shoulders he was throwing to.
Yeah, in practice one time a guy like – because he would throw it like – if you're, let's say you're running a crossing route from his left to right, and he hit you on, if he would hit you on that back shoulder, it was intentional to basically take you away from the defender so you catch it and go back that way. So if you were to catch it and go this way, hey, I put it there for a reason.
Like Wes Walker, like, you know, you say hospital balls. That's why Tom speaks so much about quarterbacks putting their receivers in danger.
Like, look, it's not only defenders to protect them, it's only quarterbacks to do it. And, like, now there are only so many quarterbacks that are that accurate when live bullets are flying, and he had to be that way.
Peyton had to be that way. Drew had to be that way.
When, like, guys like Jalen, Josh Allen, Lamar are that way and throwing the ball with that type of accuracy, they're almost unstoppable because they're seeing defenses that they have to cater to their legs too.

So you got to be more simple sometimes.

You're going to have more one-on-one matchups on the outside.

So it's so different.

But when those guys can beat you from the pocket like Lamar, what he's doing this year,

those guys are damn near unbeatable.

And that's why they always bring that up whenever it's like contract negotiations.

Everybody's like, can you do this?

Can you do this? Can you do that? It was brought up a lot with Lamar. Lamar is obviously clearly answering those questions.
Let's talk about the quarterbacks now. We just talked about Lamar whenever he was potentially available to everybody in the NFL.
Yep. Potentially.
Swing and a miss on that one, guys. I was at 200%.
They would have matched whatever the offer was. So you would have given up a lot you would have had to out deal the baltimore ravens who are willing to do give whatever if you listen to hardball okay if you listen what harbaugh was saying let's assume they're all on the same page but nobody even like reached out allegedly nobody even let's talk about the quarterback market now we would assume if lamar jackson was a free agent he would get paid a hundred million dollars a year with how he's playing and how exciting he is.
But Conman has a question for you. Yeah, Dan, how do you feel about the QBs available? Obviously, Darnold, Rodgers possibly, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco is in there too.
There's a lot of QB questions for a lot of teams. How do you feel about the guys available in free agency? And then is the draft class where teams are going to look to? Because right now the narrative is the QBs in the draft aren't the greatest QB draft class of all time.
Yeah, I think Sam Darnold's clearly the best option when it comes to the realistic free agents. I know the last two weeks, I think what we've learned from Sam Darnold, you win a lot of games with Sam Darnold.
As long as he's got that structure, that scheme that's really good, the play-action-centric offensive line skill people on the outside, you'll win a lot of games with them. I do think it's fair to say over the last two weeks we've learned you're not going to win games because of him.
The offensive line didn't play well. They got covered up.
So that is a reality. So if you're a team that, hey, we've got to get just a really good player at that position.
I want to get Baker Mayfield or Geno Smith. That's kind of like the lateral correlation.
I think Sam's going to be that guy for somebody. I actually thought Rodgers, like, listen, if Rodgers wants to come back and play, I still believe Aaron's playing winning football.
I thought his last eight weeks when he got a little bit healthier, that was very obvious. And so do I think that, you know, it's got to be in a situation that's ideally because of the age and his health, no question about it.
Russell Wilson, I think the last three years we've figured out kind of where Russell is in his career. He's going to hold the football a long time.
If you can create some one-on-ones, he's got a chance to be a really good player throwing the ball downfield. I do believe he's not what he was five years ago.
That's some earth-shattering statement fields the fields thing is interesting to me and also frustrating to me at the same time because you know pittsburgh and i heard you guys talking about and obviously it's been a conversation all week like this is one of the reasons why so many of us and me very much so was so convicted about keeping justin on the field because now you still don't know you still don't know anything and for 2025 that position is a giant question mark and it's like we'll bring back Justin Fields but what do we really believe about Justin Fields where if you just had him play this year I still think you would have been a relatively similar team and at least you would have had the body of work of nope this guy can't do it and we're going to not have him a part of our future or like we are we are convinced that this guy's got a really bright future and he's going to be our at least starting point quarterback wise and so um the draft i would tell you this um they're all very interesting shador doesn't have number one pick traits but he's going to be in the conversation because physically he's not wildly impressive. He's just not big.
He's not crazy athletic. He's not a physical phenom.
Cam Ward is a physical phenom. You're going to have to get him to play a little bit more in structure, a little bit like Caleb was coming out.
I think Quinn Ewers is interesting because of what he accomplished in his career. Mil interesting you know just because he is a physically impressive human being so um i don't think it's i'm sick of it will howard is getting zero respect and he can't even go back right he's got no years last year he's definitely going to the nfl the big son of a bitch can move too know enough about his game.
Are you watching? Just watch the play. The big son of a bitch.
Can move, too.

I don't know enough about his game.

Are you watching?

Oh, you just watch the play.

He's got Jeremiah Smith.

He's got Ibuka.

He's got Tate.

He's got Judkins.

He's got Henderson.

Pretty good.

I mean, he's got...

And the tight end has the greatest name of all time named...

G. Scott.

G. Scott.

Oh, Kazmieric, you saying?

Oh, yeah, and G. Scott Jr.
G. Scott.
So he's got a lot of weapons. That's not his fault.
That's not his fault. He was no slouch at Kansas State, though.
That's why Ohio State was like, hey, come play here. And he's got bop, too.
Seen him skip around. I mean, he is as we wrap up here on ESPN.
He'll be back on NFL Live in just a matter of a few moments we'll continue on espn plus disney plus youtube and tick tock live for the final few days have a good one we'll see you tomorrow goodbye tick tock's done dano dead have you heard about that dan you got tick tock i have heard about it yeah dan you've definitely done this a couple times. Some coastal elitist could go buy that.
Thank God. Some coastal elitist could go do that.
Dan, why don't you go find the money to buy TikTok? All right. You'll be my first call.
Okay. Well, too many people are doing that these days.
So we're never going to get to that point, I believe. But it is an honor to do that the the thought of that i don't it's still we still got days you know it ain't going deadlines feels like it's already too ingrained too deep i wonder if the government people know like hey everybody's on it well don't the government people and their kids they're not allowed to have it on their phone? Wasn't that put in place a couple years ago? Yeah, and I wonder if they have conversations with, like, yeah, because it's being tracked by China.
Everything's tracking you. Everything's tracking you.
Literally everything. But I wonder if they ever have conversations with real people and understand, like, hey, he booked a honeymoon on TikTok.
People are using it as a search engine. It's a big deal sports are on our shows sports are on tiktok and do very well on tiktok it's a lot of things for an entire generation it's like if you want to be the biggest heel on earth okay and i don't know if that's the game and just piss off an entire fucking generation i think this would be an easy way to let that happen.
I think. Yeah, but the biggest...
But who do they blame, though? Who owns it? Who do they blame? You got to blame... Hopefully, we'll blame John.
Well, that's what they're worried about, is in two years, you're going to be booking your honeymoon to the Shang-Chi province. Well, and then I'll go check out.
I'll go check out. Go look at the Great War of the Forbidden City.
Ed, Ed, Ed. Yeah, the monkey.
Jing Jing. You want to go see Jing Jing? See, that's the only reason I want to keep the stuff like TikTok because Jing Jing might not be available to the public without you.
This is how... What do you...
You don't know Jing Jing. You don't know Jing Jing.
Please pull up Jing Jing. Please.
Can you please... How do I spell? X-I-N-G.
X-I-N-G. The way Connor pitched it to me...
What am I pulling up here? This isn't Meat Spin up here this isn't meat spin don't worry a couple others i can send you yeah if you would like rest in peace i'm pulling up a a visual or yeah oh yeah just an instagram it's maybe the cutest thing i've ever seen there's jing jing it's a some chimpanzee or something whoa i don't think that is one fat monkey. She ain't just some chimp, and she's not a fat monkey.
That's how she was built. No, she is a fat monkey.
That's what I say. She's got a thyroid issue.
She's built like that. She's got bigger bones.
Heavier bones. She's built different.
This is Jing Jing, and Connor pitched me Jing Jing yesterday saying, listen, you need I know you don't do all the internet stuff. I know you don't buy into all the stuff.
You need to get on board with Jing Jing. And I said, excuse me? I'm a hard pass on that.
You're a fool. I think I'm out too.
What do you do with this? You just follow along. Watch this monkey just act like a human.
Bring up Jing Jing. Bring up Jing Jing.
Peeling the banana with her mouth, please. If we're going to watch any video.
She peels this banana so cool. You got to get a life.
Dude, this is my life, brother. Zing, zing.
The way he's told it to me. You got to get a life.
Zing, zing is like Ed, Ed in Mandarin. Don't worry about it.
Just check it out. Do it.
Do it. And I looked at this monkey.
I said, it's a damn cute monkey. A great monkey.
But I don't know. The TikTok thing is a real conversation because it's potentially happening on Sunday.
Obviously, with everything in the government, I don't follow along as much. And I guess there is a lot of people that go like, well, who cares? And it's like, well, that might be the way it ends up working out.
Gallagher cares. And if that takes...
You know who else cares? Talk. That's because we're going to have to shoot him in the head if we don't save him.
We won't do that. We won't do that.
We might. Ladies and gentlemen, it is being reported that Mr.
Beast has put an offer in to buy TikTok. I know Mr.
Beast is an absolute phenomenon. This man started as a teenager, understanding YouTube and the algorithm, and then literally created a business through that that has made him a billionaire.
I mean, and everything. He is genius, is Mr.
Beast. I think it's going to cost a lot of money.
I don't think it's just being a billionaire. Was 60? Is that the number? So allegedly Mr.
Beast and a group of billionaires, hopefully they're able to go get enough money

from one of these companies that has shit done on money

to be able to go.

40 billion was X for Twitter.

How would they make money?

Like how does the thing make, like why?

Everybody on Earth's on it, it's a platform.

You sell that, you do the whole,

just standard operation,

maybe subscription service like Elon chose to do

with Twitter.

I assume there's some merch, I think Twitter X was trying to do. So people you pay to use tiktok no but nobody paid to use twitter either and then basically kind of became a point where you're gonna pay three bucks a month except for some people have held out this entire time and anytime i see that i really think to myself well you really say i ain't fucking doing it yeah because basically everybody else there you could potentially do that i don't know if everybody on tiktok would do that a majority of people on x chose to do that and said yeah this thing's worth three bucks a month i assume tiktok people could do the exact same now i think it would take a long time we pay we pay you to use twitter now what's that you pay a monthly fee to use twitter now so there's like a premium option yeah where you can post videos yeah It's Dan.
So do you, Dan. They got you.

This is part of the problem.

Yeah, you got the checkmark, Dan.

Yeah.

Didn't you guys, somebody, was it you who made a big deal about it, Dano?

What, having to pay for it?

Somebody was complaining about it, I remember.

Everybody was complaining.

I'm not paying for a blue check.

A lot of people are saying I just got it.

I didn't pay.

I didn't pay.

I don't know how I got it, though.

Yeah.

Okay.

I had a blue check before it all happened, and whenever they were like three bucks for this, I was like, you got it though yeah what okay i had a blue check before it all happened and whenever they're like three bucks for this it's like you got it sure i've you know all the information in one spot yeah everything for you i fucking learn everything in my life basically off of this thing so i spend hours on here so if it's gonna cost three bucks to keep this thing going uh so be i'm just paying the corner almost is what i think three bucks a month you got it i know there's a lot of people that are pissed off about it i could stand understand where they're coming from but like i'm on there you know so like for these people that are on tick tock i would assume that they'd be okay saving it by doing it in a fashion 100 i don't know where all those people are going to go if tick tock is banned like are they just going back to instagram they all are going to china to follow to TikTok. So they can still use TikTok.
All the dancers. You're this guy, man.
They're going to build houses. Literally anything.
That is the whole conversation around TikTok. I don't think you understand.
Is it? Yes. I don't think that's what you are understanding about this entire time.
I say anything. But Gord on this guy.
You don't need to tell me that. Okay.
All right, Dan, we appreciate you. Good luck on NFL Live.
One hour from now? Two hours. We're on at 4 o'clock.
Mondays we're on at 3, but thanks. That's right.
4 o'clock. Every day, 4 o'clock.
Every day. Except for on Mondays, obviously, 3 o'clock.
How much fun are those 4 o'clock hours in the office when we're watching the NFL Live crew? We all gather around. Whenever he gets virtual reality.
He did it yesterday.

Yeah, I remember.

You're plugged in. That's so cool.

What time do you guys get into

the office, to your building?

There's early workouters. I think Gumpy's in here

like 7 a.m. working out.

6.45, 7, yeah.

And then what time are you guys there until?

Depends on the day. There's a lot of shit going on.

More often than not.

I don't know. Probably 536.
You know, that type of stuff. There's a lot of stuff going on.
It's up to something season right now. So there's something big.
Yeah. Something big coming.
I saw you were trying to jack up to something season. What's going on? You, uh, you, I'm not trying to, is this the coaching thing? Is this the coaching thing? I am not trying to jack anything.
Nope. I'm fucking right.
I'm just getting ready to do NFL Live. I'm not saying I own up to something.
Don't be a jag off. Yeah, stop being a jag.
You're right, Gumpy. This guy is being a jag off right now.
What is up to something, Susan? Are you creating something? Are we doing big business? Are we got an idea? Or is it the coaching thing? You're doing those tweets again. Make yourself irreplaceable.
Never know what the future holds. Yeah, but i've sent that a bunch this year i know that's what we're saying it's only 15 days in the year that's that's the whole entire thing what's up tweaking saying it over and over yeah this year technically i heard that debuts these tweets get me juice when i'm on the elliptical in the morning i see these from dan i'm fucking just keep going like renegade.
You're an elliptical guy? I'm old, Dan. My knees, I ain't got much left, all right? Who are you? 39.
He was a soccer player, too. A lot of running.
You're young, dude. A lot of young.
I worked at the shipyard for 15 years. I've seen some things.
He's inhaled a lot of things, too, you know? A lot of inhaling stuff. But Gumpy's brain is working in a high clip, and he's in there every single morning getting after him you know boy when you put those tweets out we all do go is everything okay okay and then he goes up to some season he responds to that it's like oh dan's cooking something well little did we know that tweet was actually about his boys taking on bowl and gunner tonight that's right chuck and day 7 30 tips all right well good luck in the championship tonight i hope chuck has a good game plan it's all in him yep it's all in him and Dan.
7.30 tips. All right.
Well, good luck in the championship tonight. I hope Chuck has a good game plan.
It's all in him. Yep.
It's all in him. I hope Hendricks and Ari really go apeshit tonight.
Yeah. You didn't say anything about Ari still, about his play.
Ari's a shooter. Ari's like a long hooper.
He's a good player. I don't know a lot about his game because the other kids that I do know are lacrosse kids I'm a little bit more ingrained into the lacrosse world with these kids I think Ari's the better basketball player but Hendricks just freaking plays freaking hard so I know that's going to happen same with Bo and Gunnar just Gunnar's a hooper these are all lax kids whatx kids what do i do now what do i do connor i'm really good with the lax stick oh yeah i mean you're working on split dodges yesterday yeah split dodges and then also hey you ever seen one of these things huh you ever see one of these they're cradling how about that how about it huh this is another damn boy it's a national championship back-to-back.
Don't you worry about it. Looking to go for three.
All right, Dano. How about the lacrosse guy for Golden State? Who was that? Spencer.
Him and his brother. Both in the NBA.
Okay, and then we got Faison playing for Notre Dame in the national championship wide receiver. He's a member of the Notre Dame lacrosse team.
Faison. Boston Conner, the kid from...
There's a kid from Cheshire, Connecticut, which you probably know of the town. He's going to Notre Dame to play both as well.
He might be there now. Gosh, his name.
Oh, yeah. He's the number one.
He was the number one recruit for lacrosse. He's on the team right now.
Yeah, you're right. Yeah, in the country.
He was the number one recruit in the country. He's playing both football and lacrosse at Notre Dame.
I forget his name recruit for lacrosse? He's on the team right now. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Yeah, yeah, in the country. Yeah, he was the number one recruit in the country.

He's playing both football and lacrosse at Notre Dame.

I forget his name. The lacrosse?

The Kavanaugh?

Matt Jeffries.

Who?

There it is, Jeffries.

I think his name is Matt Jeffries.

Matt knows the standard at Notre Dame lacrosse is high.

Same with the football team.

I assume this guy is a weapon of a being.

That lacrosse video watching the Notre Dame win was cool.

Notre Dame lacrosse celebrating a Notre Dame football.

They were just looking for any jersey too and it just so happened the only jersey they could find was Jeter's. So it was like perfect.
What a perfect moment. That lacrosse team was a wagon up there.
Yeah. Yeah.
They're legit. And they feel good about a three-peat.
Oh yeah? Yeah. They actually do.
They still got a Kavanaugh boy. Uh-huh.
They still got one.

If I do recall, he's the one that his first appearance on the program

where he had two black eyes

and a shiner on his forehead.

Hungover himself. Yeah.
Had a good time.

A couple pops the night before. Yeah, we saw him at

the Notre Dame IU game.

And he was having... We were hanging out with those

lads. A proper time.
A proper football time.

Oh, yeah. I like that Notre Dame lacrosse team.
All right. Just like we like this guy.
Good luck with those lads. A proper time.
A proper football time. Oh, yeah.

I like that Notre Dame lacrosse team.

All right.

Just like we like this guy.

Good luck with whatever you're subtweeting about.

And good luck with all the coaching interviews that you're going to do privately after this public one.

You're the man.

Appreciate you, buddy.

Thanks, guys.

You're good.

We'd love to have you on our team.

Coaching.

Hell, yeah.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Roloski. Dan Roloski.

Dan Roloski.

No.

Like this team, not like the Colts or the Patriots.

I don't know, dude.

He's pretty diligent.

I think he would give maximum effort.

Yeah.

He does that seemingly everywhere.

He does everything he does.

Too much.

Hey, we need to take on everything.

He goes fucking full speed.

Yeah.

Authority.

I'm quarterback.

Because full speed.

Yeah.

I love whenever people go, I don't see how this guy's watching all the film. Let's do some math here.
60-minute games, this many games, and somehow he has a full take on everything by 8 a.m.? Okay. There ain't enough time in the day.
And then Dan had to come back. I have to prioritize my film study, but I do want to watch every single play of every single game it's like of course dan does i think that is how he is he really was lobbying

there for a job aj i think yeah oh yeah you know he's got a plan as he has he interviewed for any

jobs in the past i think he's i think he's i don't know you never know what's for leverage

and you never know what's real he's just waiting on the right opportunity i would imagine like

that's yeah like rex ryan is currently campaigning for the jets job publicly which i respect

Thank you. know what's real he's just waiting on the right opportunity i would imagine like that's yeah like rex ryan is currently campaigning for the jets job publicly which i respect mightily okay we're out of rex ryan if he wants the job obviously saying i want it is a cool thing to do i think that showcases a lot of revolve but he's also potentially saying hey to espn if his numbers up like there's an do that all the time.
You know, like, Gruden played the card perfectly every year.

Every year.

Oh, they want me to come back and coach.

$5 million increase, new extension.

Oh, they want me to come back and coach.

Boom.

New extension, Monday Night Football.

Was he, like, 10 years?

Did he do Monday Night Football for 10 years?

It seemed like it was a while.

I think him and Tarika, right?

That's who it was?

Him and McDonough.

Towards the end.

At the end.

Oh.

Oh, yeah, because Tarika goes to NBC to do Olympic coverage

and then inevitably Sunday Night Football.

That's right.

He's great.

Tariko's really good.

He can do everything.

He's so smooth.

He's so smooth he can call anything.

But I think football calling, I like him.

Yeah.

He gets juiced, too.

Yeah, I like his energy.

I like what he does.

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Now! Football! It's wonderful, that's AJ Hawk, he has won a college football national championship and how about the most recent Foxy flick of the Rose Bowl trip there way to go Foxy that was a nice trip down memory lane there thank you for piecing that together and documenting the most insane run that any group of people has ever had before seemingly the toxic tables here at Boston Connor andnor and at ty schmidt you boys look fantastic roosters chicken right there on your forehead huh oh yeah i love roosters just a perfect hat you know just no no mumbo jumbo okay just a name how about roosters uh not making a dump all over yourself yeah very impressive because of how good it tastes you'd expect some sort of dumps fried chicken can eat it before having to do something. That's not

normal. No.
At all.

Shout out to Roots. They should market that.

Yeah, they should market that. I was scared to death.
You remember?

I walked in there. Oh yeah, you asked me.

You asked me. You guys dump?

I need to know how everybody feels right now. Is everybody okay?

Because obviously standing for this entire

game, four degrees, AJ

said, you're great. Don't worry about it.
And then

Ty even said, hey, listen. Yeah.
Good stuff. Had it all it all too whenever I heard Ty's stomach could handle it I knew we're in a good spot it was delicious delightful delightful high quality chicken over there burgers too yeah they had and they just supplied it all kept it heated and cold for us obviously over there in Columbus they're incredibly hospitable shout out to Sean Perkins shout out to the State Buckeyes.
What about that time and what the question marks were going into that game whenever we were sitting in that incredible lounge to where we are now with that Ohio State team? Vastly different. Daryl Wagon National Championship on Monday, live from Atlanta.
Nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Butler is here.
Daryl Bucs. Us being on sideline for these games is so stupid.
Sick. Getting a chance to kind of witness who these guys are, I think, is a big deal for us.
Remember, we saw it with, I think, Jackson Smith and Jigbo. We saw it with C.J.
Stroud. Yep.
As soon as we saw him whenever he played against Georgia. Obviously, we saw the whole – this Jeremiah Smith guy.
He's different. He's a different person on the football field than everybody else that's on the football field with him.
Yeah, game wrecker. You know, they got to figure out a way to get him involved early, I think, in this game

of Notre Dame.

Notre Dame plays a lot of man-to-man coverage, so I'm excited to see the different matchups

that Jeremiah Smith will get on Monday.

I'm sure he's itching to get that ball back in his hands after not having a huge performance

last week.

Yeah, the Ohio State Buckeyes played nowhere near good in their eyes, I would say, from

what we had seen them do the past two weeks. They had mistakes that they don normally make drop touchdowns by tate that's not going to happen you know a majority of the time jeremiah smith goes up for one drops it early which would have had them on the one yard line he's catching that at literally every other time there was obviously a 15 yard penalty from travion henderson to showcase a little bit of uh you know a loss of composure it's like that's not what this oh State team has been.
Are they able to get back to what they were? I think so. I think that's why we all think they're going to be an absolute problem for Notre Dame.
But Notre Dame, nobody projected this as well. Go back a few weeks.
This is a special, special national championship on Monday. Team that won't be represented, but was close.
Penn State alum, ladies and gentlemen. AQ Shipley.
Thank you. Hey.
Good year. Hey.
How's that? Hey, great. You're good.
Good year. Good squad.
Drew Aller is going to come back, too. All of them are coming back.
Is that good? By the way. Yeah, that's good.
The announcements on Instagram. I saw the long snapper did an I'm back thing today.
I quit. I quit with the fucking announcement.
I quit. I quit.
Long snapper should be the only one announcing it. What is this? What are you talking about? He's trying to tell his friends and family.
I'm proud of him. I got him back.
I'm pumped. He want to let his family know.
I'm bad. It's too much.
Too much. That was mean.
He's going to quit the team today. Yeah.
How is his family supposed to know? Fine. I'm out.
I saw the name pop up. I won't tell anybody.
I said, who is Tyler Jubjubjub? And I look it up and it says, Longstapper. I'm back.
I'm like, I can't do it anymore. His family.
Can't do it. That's cool.
Can't do it. Hey, I'm happy you're back, dude.
One more year spinning that thing. Good luck.
There's only 32 jobs in the NFL. Literally no more.
That is the only. There are 32 of them and that's it.
I don't think the UFL is paying for a longstopper. I don't think so.
Sorry AQ hates you. Keep working though.
We're proud of you. Joining us now is a man who's been working in the NFL world for a very long time.
Almost as long as we've made him wait here. We do apologize for that absolute legend from NFL Films.
Vice President at NFL Films, Keith Cosgrove. Yay! We wasted a lot of your life.
We apologize, Keith. That's 100% on us.
Never waste our time, Pat. It's good to be back.
Okay. How's NFL Films doing? Oh, well.
Hold on. There we go.
There we go. Nailed it.
That's on us. We should have probably, we should have went quicker and said, right shoulder, right shoulder right shoulder right yeah that's on us we could be a good team like you guys are basically the third the 33rd team of the nfl can we talk about how important the nfl films you know is to the entire operation that is the nfl i think obviously we've chatted about it on our show before i don't think we've had an opportunity to chit-chat with maybe a new group of people that have been watching.

But NFL Films has basically been a tag team partner of the NFL since I don't know what year.

The beginning of almost televised football.

And now you guys have your hands in everything the NFL is a part of in creation and distribution.

And you guys are like Scorsese-level shit for the NFL.

And I think you guys should get your flowers over there with everything you do for the league and for the sport that we all love.

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We appreciate you guys have been great to us.

And it's been an incredible time for us.

We're busier right now, today, as we sit here than we have been.

And we've been here since 1962 when the Sables shot the nfl championship game for the first time so um you know like we're we just did we're in the final stages of this marathon four team hard knocks uh with the afc north which has been an unbelievable challenge and a really cool show and you know in our free time we're making a late night show with jason kelsey it's been a it's been a wild month yeah there's a lot going on in nfl films all the time because of how much you know there is to offer from the nfl its players its entities and everything like that let's talk about the hard knocks in season with the afc north we were excited about it because it gave you an option to tell a story of a team, maybe depending upon how a season can go can kind of ruin a season, almost. Now, with four options, we were thinking there was going to be some magic somewhere.
You certainly found that early. Obviously, the Steelers are on a run, then the Ravens go on a crazy run.
They meet each other in the middle of this. How have you balanced who you showcase, how how you showcase it and is this the plan going

forward in season for entire divisions to be a part of it i would go back we first talked about doing this five years ago this show in this format after we finished all or nothing and the precursor to in season hard knocks we we thought the best way to do it was with a full division. And then we had an opportunity to do in-season Hard Knocks

with a single team, the Colts, three years ago.

You guys were early adopters of that format.

We talked about it.

Friends of it.

Yeah, you were on top of it from day one.

The Cardinals show, which was a really difficult one

because their season was a mess. And then last year, the Dolphins made the playoffs.
But by that point, we knew for sure that that wasn't in our opinion. We just didn't think it was the right format to do an in-season show.
And the reason is when it goes south, it's just a really difficult situation for everybody involved. And we're not not nobody wants to watch a show about a team that's enduring that situation when when when everything you know players are getting hurt things are falling apart people might be losing their jobs that's not that's not what that show hey why don't you have a seat here and tell us about all the shit that stinks right now please and in And in doing that every single week, and then you're talking about losing jobs, it's like, hey, tell us about the worst day of your professional career here that's happening in real time five minutes ago before you talk to your family, obviously.
By the way, we're not necessarily invited guests. The league has a resolution that the owners have voted on that allows NFL films to select certain teams under certain conditions to do hard knocks.
So at the end of all that, we just thought if we're going to do an in-season show, we should do a whole division. You're guaranteed to get a winner.
You're going to get a hat and T-shirt game. You're going to be able to feature rivalries, which which is awesome like showing the Steelers playing the Ravens on hard knocks was an undeniably cool thing to be able to do you caught it right away that like showing two teams preparing for each other in a big game which we saw right out of the gate with Steelers Bengals was really freaking cool and it's not something that you've ever seen before

on television really in any sport and certainly not in real time and when a team goes bad the way unfortunately we saw the Steelers season end with five straight losses we didn't have to dwell on them and nor should we have because the Bengals had picked themselves up off the mat won five straight and the Ravens became, you know, a wagon.

And we'll see how far they can take it. Isn't it amazing how many stories? That's just one division in the NFL.
There's so much shit everywhere. How many years have you been with NFL Films? My 28th season.
I got here in 1997. Think about how much the league has changed, man.
It's insane. And obviously content has changed a lot.
You guys have had to adapt all of that. But whenever they talk about the ratings and dominating everything, it's crazy where the NFL has gone.
And there's so many stories. It's so beautiful.
And watching the Ravens here through playoffs, is that what we're going to do? We're with the Ravens through the playoffs? We're with them as long as they're going. How about Steelers, all this shit that's going on right now? Are you still there? We're still there.
The cameras are still up in Pittsburgh. We'll be taking them down, I think, at the end of this week.
I thought maybe we were doing the whole thing. Which leads to the...
And AJ, I think you were probably going to ask about this. Let's get off.
How about the offseason hard knocks? Are we doing that again? That Giants one. Need it.
Buddy. D-butt, what's your vote? Yes.
Aye. AQ, your vote.
Absolutely. Ty.
Yeah. Gone man.
No doubt. Age.
Yes. 100% of people surveyed said that it should come down.
So who, all right, who's calling? All right, Darius, which GMs are you calling? AJ, you take the NFC. Braves, New England.
No, can't do it first time. First time, can't do it.
Everybody take one division. We got to find a GM to do it.
Now, we're working on it. We're talking to a lot of teams.
We'll see if it happens. We loved that show.
I think it's one of the best shows we've ever made in our history. And I think we are so grateful to the Giants for taking that risk.
And obviously, it's been talked about to death. And, you know, it's no fun for them to have to see, you know, those images pop up on their Twitter feeds, I'm sure, every day.
And it's a bummer for us that it turned out the way it did their season, you know, because who knows? You make decisions, you go through a process with a bunch of smart people, you make the best decisions you can under the circumstances, and in their case, they didn't turn out the way they hoped. And it happens in the NFL.
It happens in the NFL. It was our first time seeing it, though, Keith.
That was our first time seeing it. And, you know, whenever the moment where Mara, the owner of the team, busks, geez.
It's going to be hard for me to sleep at night if Saquon goes to the Philadelphia Eagles and they go. Now here's, I'm just letting you know.
I've been here a long time. We've had a lot of players.
He's the most popular one by far. By far.
And then he walks out. Now Saquon's got a sleep number ad saying that he's sleeping soundly as a philadelphia eagle and mara allegedly reached out and said hey at least let me be a part of the ad so we can make me make this an entire thing i think watching joe shane decide directly against that whole thing where there is a hard implication coming from ownership yeah hey this is how we want it to go now granted we are all people that we think ownership if you're not good get the hell out and there might be some people that don't want mara to have hands on there but as we watch that situation and seen unfold the way it did with saquon becoming the offensive player of the year for the rival philadelphia eagles for not that of a contract, like 100 and something in the entire NFL or whatever it is.
It's like I don't know how you get any team to sign up for that ever again. Nope.
I honestly don't know how you get. Legitimately, are there going to be teams like the in-season Hard Knocks or the training camp Hard Knocks that will kind of be, I don't want to say forced to do it, but kind of because that's – I don't know if you're getting any gms to say yeah i would like to see that whole thing happen we updated the the hard knocks resolution last year at the league meetings and that the the off-season show was not contemplated in that uh updated damn it uh resolution i know you like when we use the three dollar words back yeah i, I love that.
Anytime you talk about at the meetings too, we have behind closed doors conversations and there was politicking for this and for that. I understand how the game has to go.
There's a lot of money on the line. So you're saying there is a chance we have this back or are we definitely having it back? There's definitely a chance.
We hope it's back. We're talking to a bunch of teams about it um but we'll see what happens i mean we need a we need a willing participant on that one we're not we're not going to force someone to do that show okay if you got your shit together i think you should do it because you could sell yourself and your program and your brand as an actual coming off of what happened last time can't be worse cannot be worse i don.
I don't know. Let's go back a second, though.
What did we see? We saw the owner tell his general manager, here's my opinion on what I would like to do, but I hired you to do a job. You make the decision and do the job with all the information that you and your staff compile.
So we saw an NFL owner do the thing that all of us as fans ask our favorite owners to do. It didn't work out.
We all know that now. But at the time, it was hard to argue with a decision where, you know, you don't really have an offensive line.
The quarterback situation's unsettled. You have so many holes to fill.
You really want to pay $13 million a year to a running back when you've been doing that with that running back for five years already and not had a lot of success? Yeah. Like, we can debate it, and I think, you know, obviously everybody has and everybody's got an opinion, and hindsight is is really easy in this scenario.
I got you. Yeah, because that show is about a process.
And I think it's really cool to have been able to make a show about, hey, we're going to start in January and we're going to have an end point after the draft. And you're going to see how a group of people faced with really difficult decisions goes about making those decisions.

Yeah.

And to be able to make that, the people who have talked the most about that show are like business executives.

Because I don't know that there's ever been a show on television, an unscripted show that showed a process that comprehensively from start to finish.

Yeah.

And like, we're proud that we did it. I think fans responded to it in real time before they knew it was going to happen you guys you know everybody saw it and was it was a wow kind of a moment on tv and in our world in sports tv and like i said i think it's amazing that the giants had the guts to do it agreed i think they i think they should stand behind and have stood behind the decisions they made.
I'm glad they're running it back and giving Joe Shane a chance to run another draft at another offseason, because I think what we saw is a guy who has a good process and does have a shot of succeeding. There's a lot of luck involved.
You guys all know that. You're an NFL guy.
Yeah, a lot of luck, and some places seemingly seemingly have more luck than others on a regular basis but us getting a chance to see that for the first time you talked about the moment in real-time reaction it felt like the first training camp hard knocks when it came out that's how people reacted to the first training camp hard because that was the first time we were getting to see anybody's process there's obviously fantasy football and there's thoughts and there's documentaries on how things go. But actually getting into the meeting, being in the room where it happens,

where a decision is being made on what the strategy of the roster construction is going to be.

Because in your show, he actually said,

we've got to find out if this quarterback's worth $40 million or not.

Like, we have to find that out.

And I think that was an actual legitimate thought.

Like, from the entire, hey, we got this guy.

We paid this guy.

We have to find out

if he's a guy or not which was a part of the decision that they're making he's on the vikings

though he's on a minnesota vikings so they forgot their answer so i assume that's why uh ownership

was like we wanted to find out if he's a guy he's not a guy which is why he potentially ran it back

with him but if you're another gm with the reaction that it was to that because it was our first time

seeing how that shit goes if you're very confident in your shit and like you have success

I'm going to go ahead and see you next time. But if you're another GM with the reaction that it was to that, because it was our first time seeing how that shit goes, if you're very confident in your shit and, like, you have success, I think you should feel very comfortable doing that because people are intrigued by this because we don't know much about it, and the local social media teams would never put any of this shit out because they wouldn't be allowed to.
Yeah, and to Joe Shane's credit, too, Tyrone Tracy Jr. ended up being an unbelievable running back, the guy he drafted in, fifth round.
And Singletary is moving a little bit, too. Well, I didn't mention him.
At the beginning, I saw him. They should make the Raiders do it next year.
I know there's a first-year thing, but Brady's involvement and everything. They said he can't make anybody do it.
That's what he said, right? You know what you said, he can't make anybody do it? Make the Raiders do it. Go talk to Goodell and say, hey, guess what?

You guys have stunk for the last 15 years. You're going to do this.
What's

the worst thing that can happen? Oh, you're going to stink

again. They don't want to strong-arm anybody.

That's not how the NFL operates,

right, Keith? That ain't it.

Well,

now, if I may, because

we had people on your show

saying, you know, I talked to the people

at NFL Films, and they were laughing at

these guys, and we've got

Thank you. Well, no, if I may, because we had people on your show saying, you know, I talked to the people at NFL Films and they were laughing at these guys.
And we've got. Who said that? Who said that? No, nobody here is laughing at anything that happened in New York.
We thought they were going through a process. Who threw NFL Films under the bus? They were laughing.
I did hear that. Who? Who did it on our show? Who did it on our show? Everybody did.
No, that was the only time we got a little annoyed. Somebody went on your show and said, oh, the producers of NFL films are...
Or Lovsky. Lombardi.
It was Lovsky. It had to be Lombardi.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
He's in college then. I think what we've created, though, I think the hardest thing for these types of shows, especially for hard knocks in real time, is meme culture, right? Like you have a moment.
Like two weeks ago, Sam Darnold in the locker room, his teammates are all spraying water all over him, and Kevin O'Connell's in'connell's in the corner watching like a proud papa and it and it was an incredible scene captured by the vikings media guys and the nfl films cameras amazing moment right and then two weeks later it's over you see how it turns out and you know i'm sure a week or two from now we'll see it it'll be a meme now right like we have a a culture and it's not anybody's fault we all live in the same thing we all we're all scrolling through our feeds and and we see the way things become memes so nobody wants to become that next meme and unfortunately for the giants it happened to them yeah certainly did and memes are happening at all times so you know know, it's inevitable for all parties. But if you're going to look at decision-making processes that we've never seen before, obviously you're going to get memed.
But I just saw, you're talking about that clip getting memed. What if there is a Lou Holtz sighting at the field pass? Boom.
For the national championship. And Lou Holtz hits a home run.
What if Lou Holtz hits a home run for four straight quarters? All of a sudden, that meme, you got Lou Holtz up on air with the boys. I mean, that will certainly be used a lot on the internet, I think, to hype up things.
Could be, yeah. Is Lou Holtz going to be there? Do you know? Once again, there are whispers that he will be there, but he's got a bum left leg right now.
So he needs to get that figured out. If his leg feels better, he will be in Atlanta.
Yeah, we know if Lou Holtz can get there. Coach Lou Holtz can get there, he will get there.
Absolutely. How'd he hurt his leg? He's an old man.
Deadlifting. It's cold outside.
He's like hooping? It is so cold outside. Leg press, I believe.
He was leg pressing? Yeah. Nice.
Walked down to Venice Beach down there, Muscle Beach. Yeah, exactly.
Still working it. Boom.
I got one more bone to pick, though. First of all, Lou Holtz should be.
He can't do – I mean, I hope he can keep up with your play-by-play, McAfee. That was the best play-by-play call of the year.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That was a – I saw a lot of people on the internet saying that.
Holy moly. Awful announcements, writing articles, McAfee.
Yeah, positive. People are talking.
That is crazy from them. Legitimately, that's pretty wild from them.

They've done a 180.

Now, on Hard Knocks, though, and I want your guys' opinion on this, because I think

we talked out of both sides of our mouths on this

show. It's, if the team,

if Hard Knocks is boring,

we have a boring training camp

Hard Knocks, nothing edgy,

you know, we're not showing anything,

then it's,

these shows are totally dictated and controlled by the teams it's all propaganda it's you don't need to watch it it's bullshit and then when we have a show like the giants show where it's great you're seeing incredible shit that you've never seen before and we're actually making groundbreaking television and it's teams are so stupid and so we have certain people in our sports media yeah who shall remain nameless certain aggregators and people like that who have constructed a media a narrative where they can never be wrong yeah yeah you either are an idiot for letting nfl films in your house shoot this and put it on tv or nfl films is just a propaganda machine and we all know that and none of what you're seeing is real and the reality is is that hard knocks is an awesome tv show and that's why it's been on the air for 25 years. Like any TV show, there are good seasons, there are great seasons, and there are mid-seasons.
And it's based on, like, one season you have Chad Johnson. One season you have Rex Ryan.
This season we have Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh. And, you know, defensive players of the year up and down the line and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and Lamar.
And cities and stories and rivalries. Yeah.
It's a TV show and it happens to show more things that you don't get to see anywhere else than any TV show in this business. And it does it in real time, two days after the game's on.
Even one day after the game. Remember, after Monday night, there was a Bengals clip on a Tuesday night show, somehow from the Monday night.
And I know how much all-hands-on-deck panic there is day of getting those shows on air, too, because of how much, especially with four teams. You have four different groups, right, with each individual team, and then those teams all have thousands and hundreds of hours of shit, and then they've got to roll it down, and then it comes.
And then, yeah, we appreciate the amount of work that goes on over there. And I appreciate the fact that you're keeping up with the haters.
Yeah. You know what I mean? 28 seasons in.
Love it. God, hey.
You know, we don't, it's funny. We never talk about it.
We don't respond. We let, you know, people.
NFL films. Could you imagine if NFL films came in? Oh, please.
I should. Take the high road.
This is, I've never. Ross and I were talking earlier.
I said, I think I need to say some things. I appreciate that you're doing it because we've obviously known you guys for years.
Hilarious moments of our business relationship and personal relationship with all parties involved over there. Hilarious.
Some of my favorites. The best.
Maybe some of maybe some of the moments i've had in the last five years are when mcafee is um telling me things in no uncertain terms no uncertain terms i love the way that's being described one of our greatest moments in the thunderdome i was not happy with nfl films okay i thought we had good partnership going let's get on the horn here immediately and i just i felt comfortable enough with you guys because you're football people i think that's another thing that's a big deal like a lot of places not all places a lot of places hire a social media person or a digital team that isn't football that aren't football people they don't know football they don't love football they don't live football so i think they kind of get caught not knowing ball in certain situations,

especially on the internet.

You are all diehard football people.

So when I chit chat with you,

it does feel like I'm just talking to like some,

like one of the boys.

Yeah.

Like,

Hey, this can't be happening.

And,

uh,

you guys have been so good to us legitimately.

And I appreciate the fact that you've remained humans over there,

you know,

cause the NFL is this massive machine.

You're in everything. You're in Netflix.
You're on, obviously, HBO. Mox, sorry.
You got stuff on ESPN. You got stuff on Amazon.
Amazon, yep. You got stuff.
Every streaming platform you guys are doing business with and crushing it, it's like, it's a lot of shit you guys do. And you're talented content creators.
If you guys were considered modern age, you're great content creators, I guys were considered modern age you're great content creators i think personally thank you good work ethic too you're not a bunch of lazy punks you know i think that's a big deal too no the people that are working here right now and you can see it on their faces and in the bags under their eyes right now um like i said this is the hardest we've ever worked this month right now. It is.
It's not doing this show. And look, it's, it is a total privilege for us to, are you shitting me? We're, we're at NFL films and we're getting to do something we love.
And, and we're filmmakers who love football. It's in the title NFL films.
And we get to document careers like AJ's and yours and darius's and darius is here i saw darius a few weeks ago on the studio every week yep it's an amazing it's really an amazing place you go downstairs today and and coach belichick's down there with ryan clark and chris long and chad doing shooting inside the nfl and right, Kelsey's down in the studio rehearsing for Friday night's episode of,

they call it late night.

But already today, what we're figuring out is in the middle of all that.

All right, now we're going to make a show about the Ravens this week.

Can't wait to watch.

We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

You're the best.

Thank you for taking time.

I love you guys. Thanks for having us.
We love you too, man guys thanks for having us we love you too man keep doing it over here you know keep doing it over and tell ross he's a good guy he's the best uh we'll see you in new orleans maybe oh yeah super bowl i forgot that's happening coming oh yeah less than a month a few weeks yeah the rumble hey you hated it, you hated them taking Super out of Super Wild Card Weekend? No. It didn't run its course.
What the fuck? Go to hell. You're wrong, Keith.
Bad way to end this, brother. Yeah, bad answer.
The fuck? Why? Because Super Bowl? That's why? Super Bowl? There's only one thing Super is a bowl, right? Yeah, but it wasn't just

Super Wild Card Weekend. It was Super

Wild Card Weekend. I forgot there was not

three years. And the Super Bowl is super

because it's so fucking massive.

Yeah, Super Wild Card Weekend is super

because of how super it is. Yeah, because it's a super experience.

Nothing super

about this Wild Card Weekend.

Jeez. Oh.
Bucs Commanders

is a banger. Bucs Commanders, that was a great game.
Good performances. We need four good games this weekend.
Performances and crap and not super. They're all super.
These are filmmakers right here. This guy.
We're lucky that you're doing it for the NFL. You're the man.
Ladies and gentlemen, Keith Cosgrove. Yay! Keith Cosgrove, friend of the program.

He's had to do battle for us a couple times, obviously.

Good luck.

Throughout our relationship with the NFL over the last few years.

You know, I negotiated the first ever social media rights

so we could air their footage on our show digitally,

you know, just strictly digitally.

Because a lot of networks obviously get digital rights whenever they air games and then they get daily uh content for their tv shows but whenever they post on social media they would have to put a picture over the footage because they didn't have digital or social media rights to it now i felt obligated because our show is an nfl show and our show had the presence it had in football when it was just on the internet, which we are incredibly thankful for and appreciative of. But I felt obligated like, hey, I'm kind of, I'm using your shit.
I feel like I should pay you for this. I feel like this should be a working relationship.
You know, like you guys can help us. So we negotiated a deal.
It was the first ever yada yada. It was pretty cool.
It was pretty cool. Then obviously you look around the internet and everybody's just stealing their shit, you know, like literally just stealing their clips, putting it out there.
Talking a lot of shit against the NFL, which he was talking about, narratives and everything like that. And it's like, oh, I'm not.
What are we? And they're like, well, we tried playing whack-a-mole. It's just not possible with how everything's going.
So like our relationship with the NFL has literally, and NFL films has molded so much. We've been through a lot of things together.
They've always been good to us. They've always been good to us.
And they care about the NFL, man. They really.
They protect the shield. A lot.
I mean, that is like, they feel like they are serving the NFL, basically. Like, hey, we are here.
And that's the Sables passed it down, obviously, in this entirety. So they're good to us.
When it comes to like the major leagues, like you think about, you think about baseball or basketball, hockey, the NFL.

They had Hank Strom all those years ago.

JJ said that they were matriculating the ball down the field.

You look at that, the quality on that, the audio, the visual on that,

and then obviously all the way up until now, class of their own.

It's not crop when they make it.

No.

Not crop.

They got their hands in a lot of stuff, though.

Inside the NFL, they said. Is that Tuesday nights now? It was Friday nights? I see the clips.
Not sure. I see the clips.
And they just throw Kelsey's late night show on top of everything. Do they have to hire a lot more people? All these different teams they're covering now? And then Bill, everything Bill does is through the NFL films, people.
Sure sounds like no one's signing up for the Giants-type hard knocks, though. He said, if you could maybe get the word out there, we're trying to do this.
You guys reach out to GMs, you know. Bean would be awesome on there up in Buffalo.
Yeah, Bean. Beach.
They seemingly got their culture already figured out, but I think Bill's fans would be like, we don't need to be telling everybody. Look how everybody is most people in the nfl are so paranoid they don't want any they don't want their process out there that might be why mara gave shane and dable another opportunity like hey you guys didn't really have a chance i thought you had cameras in every fucking room i mean that's the giants were certainly on display front center for a brand new show but we look like the worst people on earth and i assume you guys were acting a little differently potentially because there's a camera ptz pan tilt zoom i can catch the entire room staring at you as you're about to all right i got faith you're not gonna fucking air me out here appreciate it what did they leave off oh great question i can't imagine i mean when they're having personal conversations like when you call your wife on the phone like the camera's still there i guarantee it's not going off so you got in the bathroom because that's like the classic they can at least hear it i'm sure they could hear it if they have like if an exec has a bathroom right off his office you can at least hear the dump going through the door yeah they they were blasting music at times but then in one episode uh dayball started playing music on his phone and then nfl films just like got the rights and started playing the song so oh is that right check check good move check mate we'll run it it actually makes the scene much better thank you for that i love that he said uh you know some of these teams are kind of obligated mandated to be a part of we're not welcomed guests in a lot of these places think about just having to talk to all these football people hey everything you say and do is going to be monitored by somebody in a truck out here do your thing then walk it out it's so true have you done a hard knocks i did all or nothing.
Mm-hmm. Which is what they were referring to about doing the in-season.
It's the same thing. And, like, literally every – like, the players are, like, doing this to the camera.
I was like, they don't want – like, nobody wants them there. Nobody wants them there.
The in-season, they didn't either. Like, a few of those teams when, you know, people made comments like, yeah, I mean, they have to be there.
Yeah. And AJ's so right about right about the paranoid stuff like you think about how many times you've been at practice and just like a southwest flight goes over top you and they're like who's that they filming yeah they helicopter they filming who is that yep shoot them down it's what it is jeez louise i don't know about southwest flights coaches there's certain those low those little Cessna ones.
Oh yeah. Helicopter.
Yeah. Chopper goes overhead.

What is that hot air balloon chiefs right chiefs are definitely filming us there bill belichick's using a hot air balloon we're on to your shit shut the practice down let's go on inside let's get a roof on this thing we got eyes overhead a couple bogeys watching in from another nfl team instead nfl films goes we got you we're gonna film everything nobody else will film that we'll film it and then they're the only ones that have access to the vault so like they're the ones making a lot of decisions you know i think you were gonna somebody was gonna ask about being mic'd up in those decisions whenever he said we followed your career to me it was like i never was mic'd up was asked one time i said no chance please no no i don't want to and there's not a lot of players that just want to be mic'd up. So centers have to be.
Either center or quarterback. Or center or guard.
Yeah, it's for TV. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So you're mic'd up every time I've talked to you on a sideline? Great. Oh, wow.
Thanks for doing the whole... It's just automatic.
Yeah, of course. I guess I should remember that in the moment about your life.
Well, now you know. Every center.
time well it's not through the team it's just automatic through the league it's like narc yeah yeah okay so great think about how many things i've said oh i know i'm not worried i can imagine i can yeah i'm not worried i'm worried exactly that is that is the thing that everybody says about nfl films is like they got everything they got everything on everybody. Oh, yeah.
You're mic'd up and you say, this coach sucks. Oh, yeah.
Fuck this guy. Yeah.
Imagine they just clip that, send that to the coach. It's general manager.
What a fucking doofus. Why is this guy playing? Boom.
How about the coaches that are always mic'd up in these big games? Now you find out later, like, if I was the coach, I don't want to be mic'd up and, like, have them hear saying in the locker room and the sidelines. You say some irrational stuff in the heat of competition that you probably don't mean, but it might sound weird out of context.
Amen. When the Patriots played the Giants two years ago, Jabril Peppers went up to Saquon and he said because Saquon was mic'd up, he said you guys are lucky we're assed this year.
And that was a huge deal in New England because of of the fact that like jabro peppers is basically saying like yeah we fucking stink and people were so

pissed that that got out and if you think about the scale of things that could be said like

that's nothing compared to compared to what some shit might be said about like a coach or a gm or

an owner or something like that the ghost thing with sam donald that was that monday night football

they hated that same thing yeah nfl films because live in real time nfl films there's always an nfl

I'll find you. Something like that.
The ghost thing with Sam Darnold, was that Monday Night Football? They hated that. Same thing, yeah.
Yeah, NFL films, because live in real time, NFL films, there's always an NFL films representative whenever things are happening, whenever deals are getting done or a broadcast is taking place. I assume live in a moment, that getting out, immediately afterwards, can we run some shit by it? Yeah, they don't like making people look bad.
Yeah. Now granted, that in season or off season with the Giants made everybody.
I like his cell that they're talking about his process. And in the moment, you can debate whether or not it was a good decision.
There's people that say it was a good decision. I'm like, it was.
We saw. Yeah.
I know he said they didn't like how the in season ended, but as a fan, I liked watching like after the Dolphins lost, I was super pissed off, but then you watch that the week after, and it was like a cool wrap-up of the season. Yeah, they're going to make magic.
Hey, congrats, NFL Films. You did your thing.
Oh, yeah. Did it.
Continue to do it. Yeah, still bringing it.
Bringing booms all the time. I love the heat.
Lombo gets on this show and just fucking pisses off everybody. I love him.
He's also at NFL Films with Belichick doing that podcast every week. Lombo's looking in the back.
I saw somebody laughing. I'm going to say that.
I mean, seriously. Seriously, you got fucking producers laughing every day.
What do you expect? In the NFL Films, we're probably like, Lombo, we're not laughing. You're in the building.
We're laughing at something completely different. We We're doing a comedy We're doing a comedy In here in Lombus I'm sorry Yeah filming late night Or whatever the fuck Jason Kelsey's late night show Is called Late night live right They call it Late night I didn't see the second one I missed the second episode I only saw the first I saw some clips I think Kylie was sick Yeah bo allen fill it in bo legend yeah he's a monster bo's a monster absolutely legend saw some clips i i think i appreciate the the late night i do but i think a lot of people are probably just watching clips of this thing which is what all late night television kind of became late night television has become clips for youtube yep to live forever back in the day late night was very very important i actually wrote a paper and did research on late night television as a whole in college whenever i was interning at mountaineer sports network with murph rest in peace absolute legend over there west virginia all the way back to johnny carson and all the decisions that were made you know know, Conan, Jay Lent, the whole thing, all of it.

Yeah, I mean, I really researched it because I thought it was awesome. Because I remember I wasn't somebody that could fall asleep easy, so I watched Late Night on a very regular basis.
I appreciated the way, like, Letterman was able to interview and Craig Ferguson was off the cuff seemingly. He ripped up the paper and threw it out and everything.
I appreciated the zaniness, you know, the entertainment level. The interviews used to actually be like conversations as opposed to scripted Q&As that, you know, lead to absolutely nothing.
And the market used to be like you needed to watch these shows to see certain things. Now with the way social media is kind of just taking over and content is everywhere, it's like they understand that.
And obviously there's a live audience for it who are going to watch their late night or late, late night or whatever it is because they've done it or they're not good sleepers or they're up late at night but a majority of that is just trying to make clips just trying to create clips and i think that's how i'm following they call it late night with jason kelsey uh but friday 1am is a tough time slot has a tough time slot live you know that's what it is but i think he always wanted to be a late night show host which completely makes sense because what late night show used to be so i respect and appreciate that jason kelsey's doing it i think he's a guy that can do it and obviously i assume he's enjoying the shit out of it because you're doing a lot of shit that you don't normally do in the football world saw it on espn plus like when i went to watch bruins game like i saw the tab to watch back to watch back yeah so like there's still other ways to do which is also good yeah yeah watching it what's that called on demand yeah like i don't know if they put it on disney plus like they should put it there too it is i've seen it on there and i think they put it on his youtube yep they do yeah so everybody's talking about like the live times at 1am it's like that's a tough that's gonna be a tough spot to never get i think in this modern age i think that's gonna be a tough spot but all the other getting access to it is the only thing that matters and i've seen clips haven't i enjoy the fact that he's doing it yes you know it's like peyton peyton does so much yeah how about the uh they're doing the kick of destiny yep yeah peyton with a mustache doing the whole yeah he'll go all in they will go all in on some they're not scared no what happened last year did did grk make the kick last year? I don't think he's made it yet. I don't think he's made it yet.
What's the one that looked like he made it? When was that? He looked like he made it, but he didn't. That was the first one.
That was the first one. Yeah, pickleball.
Out in the middle of the decimal. I think it looked like it was good, and then...
They celebrated. They did.
Everyone went fucking nuts. It was five big booms.
It was five big booms from the Gronks. And then real quick from the opposite side, the refs.
Oh, no. I think he missed this one.
And Vinny trained him on. Everybody said, don't.
He did. Yeah, Vinny was there.
Yeah. He's going, let's go, Gronk.
He missed. Eli will make it.
I've seen Eli hit a golf ball. Yeah.
I think he can make the kick. They should have AJ Bufumo kick it.
Who's that? Costco guy. Big Boom Ajo, right? Big Boom Ajo.
Big Costco. They should have him kick it.
Is he back? Is he off? Yeah. He has a broken foot.
Remember, wrestled? I don't know if he still does. I think he's got Wolverine blood.
I think he's pretty quick. Of course.
I don't know which one you're talking about. Are you talking about the dad of the son? Big, big Costco.
Big Costco. Yeah.
How's he still bringing it? Still bringing it. I think they need to kind of triangulate and tighten up the cameos that they decide to send to people.
But outside of that. I saw that one about the brother.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Pretty awesome. I believe there's a new song.
Have you seen it? I didn't see that one. I have not.
I don't know if it was. know if it was a family member.
I think it was brother. It was brother.
So sorry to hear about your brother who just passed away. He gets five big booms.
Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! And there's your cameo. And then that video has been taken and used for other tweets on X.
Yeah. They got a new song coming out today.
Some of those cameos, can't wait. First of all, can't wait.
Today, I believe it's called... Still.
No, no. Breaking the boom meter, I think it's called.
Okay, sweet. I can't wait to hear it.
I do appreciate that. The people on Cameo, I think they should be a little bit more selective on one day.
You know? Yeah. Cameo has got people.
The out of context... Yeah.
Just a little bit more selective. Get a request, they got to do got people the out of context yeah just a little bit more get a request they got to do it though you know get a request they want to do it i guess yeah i've seen too many cameos that i don't think i was i was supposed to see and that is uh that's part of the problem good gimmick that cameo had there for a bit are they still bringing it still bring they're still bringing oh yeah buddy's name that was professional cameo? Baumgartner? Brian Baumgartner is killing down there, still.
The lives have definitely hurt them, though. Because you can just go on to a live stream and pay them to say something.
Interesting. So it's immediate.
It's not going through the whole process. Speaking of live streaming, you see Speed did a backflip? On the hand of God.
Is that real? That was real? I think it is. With him? Wow.
That dude is so athletic. He is so fucking athletic.
Yeah. It is absurd how athletic that dude is.
Just watching him. He's trying different shit, obviously.
He's a full-setting guy all the time. I'm not full-setting the group.
He is. We're talking.
He's 100 miles an hour all the time. I respect and appreciate it.
Do you know how much juice you have to have just to be streamed just like sitting there him and kai what they're doing i think they're the ones that introduced me to and i assume there's been other video game streamers that have obviously existed but just doing life yeah and being streamed like obviously could be green screen but the amount of people that have posted this i don't think so and with how athletic this dude is real i think exactly i believe it's real and uh they're fucking weapons but i think there's a lot of people that are gonna be like i'm gonna be a streamer it's like speedy smash and then they're gonna fall right off the hand and die unfortunately that was that selfie what was that uh the planking thing got a lot of people remember there's people planking on shit dying and then there was the And then there was the selfie got the top of the building or something, right? What was the other one? The Pokemon. Yeah, Pokemon.
People were walking right off fucking cliffs. Grand Canyon.
That's on them. Well, all these things people would say.
What was the TikTok? There was a TikTok where people were next to trains or something.

Which ones again?

On train tracks?

Who do you think started that trend?

Xi Jinping.

Thank you.

TikTok's over Sunday.

We're bringing it up so much just like we have been bringing it up for a couple months

because we're saying, hey,

somebody's got to figure this out.

Somebody with a lot of money. It's going to take a while.
Give the amount of money it's going to take. That generation might just blow up.
But you're buying it from China. Is China going to actually give total control? I think they would have to, right? To exist.
I don't know why. Okay.
They'll always have a back door. It's a decoding.
What are you saying? Okay. I'm with you.

I'm just saying, if you're so worried that they're spying and all this stuff,

you're telling me, hey, you find some guy with $50 billion, some group,

China's like, okay, here you go.

You have all the keys.

We don't have any control of any of it.

That would be cool, then.

It would be.

That's good business.

That'd be nice.

That seems like they would do that.

China does that.

Yeah.

What are you saying?

There's no answers?

No. Is that what you guys are saying? I'm saying, take over.
and I'm pumped. It's not.
Fuck talk. How many users? What? Not not talk.
Fuck TikTok. All right.
You're saying potential, what it's doing behind the scenes. Yeah, exactly.
Not all the people that are on TikTok. Oh, no.
Not our beloved. No, not our beloved talk of Fairfield Stack

alumni. I'm saying more so

what it could be doing.

It's in black and

white. Look at that.
Black and white. Change of hands

a bit nice. Memorialize them

already. I don't know.
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If you could do that, that'll actually work. And my only answer was, can all these platforms just fucking get together and say we need one dim for all of it? No that's what makes it special and obvious okay thank you

so much speaking of special all year we've been able to ride alongside a super offensive line brain as we were judging the top five offensive lines each week not over their work as a whole just the performance from the previous weekend then there was a top five o-lines of the entire season. And congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line.
It wasn't a trench. The long hair trench.
The coolest one. And now we will go to the official power rankings of the authority on offensive line play.
Let's go to the OG in the trenches. Power rankings of all the offensive lines still left in the NFL playoffs.
Hey, Koush, can you break down this power rankings for us, please? Absolutely. We will start with the worst of the remaining teams.
That is the Houston Texans. Top eight team in the NFL.
Yes, they are. But the Houston Texans have been running the ball, not because of their offensive line, but because their running back is damn good in spite of their offensive line.
Okay, so the Texans obviously number eight. Then you've got the Commanders.
That's a big win. They just got to get to the Bucs.
Big win. They had 30 yards rushing.
Now, some of that might have to do with the fact that the Bucs' defensive line pretty damn good. But this has been a trend the last half of the season, and they've gotten away from running the football.
Sam Cosme, right guard, pretty good player,

struggled a little bit the last couple weeks in pass protection.

I'm a little worried about the old commanders

against the line. Los Angeles Rams come in at

sixth. Puka said he messed up

that play, that whole thing happened.

Was that the determiner, or was that particular play

for the offensive line? Because Puka said it was on him,

not the big boy. Yeah, that was not on the left

tackle. Puka definitely took out half the line,

but that's okay. The Rams actually have been playing better.
They typically only run one scheme, and it's duo. So you're getting two yards and a cloud of dust almost every single play.
Okay, so let's go to number five. They're back-to-back Super Bowl champion Chiefs offensive line.
Getting some love. Wow.
Yeah, they're there because of their interior three. Now, granted, Tooney moves out to left tackle, but I love Tooney.
I love Creed Humphrey. I love Trey Smith.
They got Tooney out to left tackle. Concerns me a little bit.
They got Taylor at right tackle. Don't love the tackles.
I think that is going to be their kryptonite like it was in 2020. Okay, number four ranked offensive line here as we head into the division round.
The Buffalo Bills offensive line. That's what we're talking about.
We got the Buffalo Bills. I think we got some clips of these final four of the Buffalo Bills.
Here's

what I love about them. Deion Dawkins,

we talk about him. Their whole offensive line, pretty damn good.

The reason they became great this year,

Spencer Brown, let's take a look at the right tackle.

Learning from Deion Dawkins. We talked

about the chop. Boom.
Throw his ass

on the ground. Opens up great pass protection

down the field. You get the big chunk play.

You need to be able to protect if you want to get the

explosive, which is the determining stat on this particular season seemingly. Josh Allen can huck it everywhere if you give him the time.
Obviously, the Beals offensive line able to do that. Fewest sacks allowed.
That's why I wanted to showcase a pass protection rep. Instead of a run, because you've judged everybody else on the run game.
Okay, let's go to the number three offensive line remaining. You love this group, the Baltimore Ravens.
Baltimore Ravens. We got another clip here.
You're going to take a look. You got Derrick Henry in the Wildcat.
You got likely lined up to his left, and then we're going to send Lamar Jackson in motion. You'll see whenever Lamar goes in motion, DB over the top.
There he goes. Just vacated a space.
Derrick Henry in the open field. Stiff arm on Minka.
Get the fuck out of here. Keep it moving.
That's tough for the Pittsburgh Steelers fans to watch time and time again. But the run game is such a vital part of this Baltimore Ravens offense.
Lamar's able to spin it, too. So if you run well and you move bodies, they have to respect it.
Put bodies in the box. And then what, AQ? You run it at them.
No, you throw the ball outside. No, you run it at them.
Okay, well, that's... We want to keep running the ball.
Yeah, and that's what the Ravens need to do going forward. But the run game has helped Lamar, I think, throwing him.
100%. 300 yards running, though.
I just keep running. Okay, number two offensive line remaining in the divisional round.
The Detroit Lions with a first round bye. They come in at number two, and we pulled a clip from earlier in the season.
Love this play against the Indianapolis Colts. We got a zone play to the left.
I love it. We got condensed

splits over here. You're going to send St.
Brown

back across as a decoy. It holds the safety

just enough, and you can run a truck through

that big gaping hole. They were the number one

offensive line a lot of different weeks

in the trenches. They were number one at the end of the

season. You know Ragnow, the center's

playing with a torn tit.

Unbelievable.

Dog. Freak.

They've built through the offensive line. Jared Goff obviously

reaping the benefit. And then the number one offensive line

Thank you. Playing with a torn tit.
Yeah. Unbelievable.
Penasial. Dog.
Dog. Freak.
They've built through the offensive line. Jared Goff obviously reaping the benefit.
And then the number one offensive line is the same offensive line that was the number one all year. The Philadelphia Eagles.
How come? Because they're so good across the board. Literally from left tackle to right tackle.
They are so good. They've got pro bowlers and all pros almost everywhere.
Replaced in all pro center with another pro bowl center. So, they just got everybody clicking up front and when you look at this clip this was the final clip who's filming this oh jeez is this right some ass what is going on with the we got connor stallion i'm getting check this play out okay here we go yeah as we get we're going to get, motion shaking.
Shaking in the middle of the seat. Michael J.
Fox. Shaking in the middle of the seat.
So this play right here, right? So if we go back to the beginning real quick, if we can. This is the play that we saw where he slid down and ended the game.
But this play, the reason why I want to show this, this is what they love to do. They go two tights, and they're going to go lead.
So you're going to pull the backside guard. You're going to pull the backside wrapper and he's going to kick out, wrap, boom.

This is the hole. If you guys recall

the 270-yard runs

that he hit against the Rams earlier in the season,

exact same play. That's their bread and butter.

They've got a bread and butter and they're able to be dominating

every single week. Congrats to

the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line

being the number one offensive line

remaining and also the number one offensive line in the entire league this season in AQ Shipley's eyes. Now let's go to your top eight power ranking teams, okay? And bang, at number eight is the Commanders.
Number one's the Ravens. Number six is the Eagles.
What is that all about? What is that all about? Obviously, Ravens, number one team left in AQ's eyes. Then the Lions, Bills, Chiefs, the back-to-back Super Bowl champs at four,

Rams, Eagles at six, even though they're the number one offensive line.

I thought that's how we decide games.

And then number seven, Texans, and number eight, the Commanders.

Why are the Eagles at six, even though the offense align?

So you look at the Ravens, the Lions, the Bills, and the Chiefs,

they were basically in that exact order, two, three, four, five,

and then obviously the Eagles were at number one. The reason I have the Eagles at number one is because offensive coordinator and quarterback, they are not on the same page.
And so when I look at this, I don't think that whenever Jalen Hurts and this offensive coordinator and Kellen Moore have to win a game throwing the ball, I don't think their pass schemes are consistent enough, and I do not think the coordinator is calling enough consistent plays for them to win it, because in the playoffs, you can't just run the ball, run the ball, run the ball. You're going to have to win it with the quarterback at some point, and I think that is why.
And, by the way, they're playing against a Rams team with McVay, who's going to come into town with a hell of a game plan. He's going to control the clock on offense, keep this offense off the field, and they're going to need to make plays, and that is why I have them there.
They've got a great defensive line, even though the Eagles' offensive line is fantastic. We just saw the Rams' D-line young and hungry, and I heard they bark every time they get in the facility from Pukinokua today.
That's quite a fall from grace there for the Eagles, from their offensive line to the team, that they're remaining. Commanders number eight, you're saying they shouldn't have beat the Bucs, or you're just saying it's a tough spot to beat them and the Texans? Tough spot.
I mean, seven, eight between Texans, Commanders. It's just, I mean, now the Commanders got to go play the Lions.
Good luck. Congratulations to all these teams being the final eight.
I do think, I do think the winner of that Ravens-Bills team goes to the Super Bowl or the AFC. Wow.
No longer a three-peat on the desk. I do not see it.
I sure hope so. Why? Because you don't want them to do something that the Patriots weren't able to do? You nailed it.
Selfish reasons. Well, I mean, three in five years.
I like witnessing history. Me too.
Me too. I don't mind greatness.
Wouldn't hate seeing it. I would prefer, you know, one of those other four teams to win.
I think it'd be cool. What is your guys' thoughts on me putting the Eagles at six? I thought that was quite a shot at exactly what you said.
Because if you think the offensive line is number one, and you say it's all pros across the board, literally all season the conversation has been whoever has the best offensive line is going to win the game. That's kind of how it's been.
And then you drop them not to two, not to three, not to four, not to five, to number six. You're basically saying the offensive line could win the goddamn whole thing, but everything else needs to figure out.
That's what I thought it was going to be. That's exactly where I went.
That was a shocker, though, wasn't it, whenever we saw these graphics? Dano, does that go in with what Dano said, that he doesn't blame the receivers for not getting open? He blames, what, Jalen and the coordinator? I think that's a lot to do with it. I think when you watch the film, that's the thing that jumps out at you.
And I'm also playing into the fact that the Rams and McVay are coming to town. And McVay is an absolute genius.
You give him two weeks to prepare. He definitely was preparing for this matchup as he rested the starters in week 18.
How about the Philadelphia Eagles fans, though? Yeah. They're ready for a Super Bowl.
The fans are awesome. The fans are awesome.
Their offensive line is awesome. Their running back is awesome.
Their receivers. Defense.
Fans aren't awesome. Defense is unbelievable.
There's one particular fan who no longer has a job. I've heard about that as well.
Jeez Louise. Jeez Louise.
That's bad mojo. Big Dom took care of him.
Then he found out who he was. Removed his employment from the place of work.
And his guts from the house. Sent the lady a bunch of Packers stuff.
Right. Removed his fucking heart from his chest, too.
I didn't know Big Dom did that in 2025. There's a chance.
Without a doubt. Legend.
Think about that guy. How many times in his life is he? Oh.
So many. So many.
That's just like that guy, what is he, a Baltimore Ravens fan? Yeah. He's just starting knocking people up.
I never lose. Yeah.
It's like, Jesus Christ, how many times has this guy done that? Just put people to sleep? Yeah. Now he's going to jail.
I think he's going to jail. Ten years.
Yeah, a long time. Jail, jail.
He might still be bringing it. In jail? Yeah.
He said he never loses. I think he's going to get tested.
My record's up

for grabs. Yeah.

He'll get some reps.

He certainly will. Alright, speaking of reps,

all season we've gotten smarter on

the defensive side of the ball

with a man who co-hosts every

single Monday through Wednesday. He's also on

the sideline during the field pass with us.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everything DB. Good

D, bad D out of regular ass wildcard weekend with Darius Butler. Here we go.
Here we go. So my four favorite plays from super wild card.
Oh, I like that. We're back.
These are super plays. Good plays, four good ones.
And then we got one bad D on here as well. First one, Derek Stingley Jr.
made the all everything DB team. This is him.
Quarters coverage across the back. You see the umbrella.
And just watch him at the bottom of the screen. Double move.
He takes a double move on top of it. Gets his head back.
Just like last week when I showed some plays, never panics with the ball in the air. And that's big for a cornerback.
I love corners that kind of turn into the receiver. Peaks, fills the receiver, head back, boom, goes up and gets it.
This was one of his two interceptions. The second one was a tip.
This one was kind of an underthrow, but he's in great position. I don't care where this ball was thrown.
24 was making a play on it. And his running mate, Kamari Lassiter, on the other side.
In college, he only had one interception, I think I heard, on the call. So rarely do guys that aren't ball hawks in college become ball hawks in the NFL, but he's been tremendous at getting his hands on the football here.
You see Justin Herbert rolling out to his right, throwing across his body to Quentin Johnson, and he goes up, keeps his leverage. Yeah, keeps his leverage.
So he's outside leverage, fake post corner, keeps his leverage. In phase, gets his head back.
Goes up high points. Takes, stashed the ball out there.
Teach tape right there. That's a combine drill.
Teach tape. So obviously he did the tough part.
And then finishing that play, creating that turnover. One of four interceptions.
So shout out to Lassiter. Hey, JJ Watts talking about that defense.
He's like very excited. You can see he's like very excited to talk about them.
corners seem to be locked down. If you've got that, you're in a great spot.
That helps tremendously, especially with the guys up front getting after the quarterback where they won't be comfortable. Potentially, the only way they can win this game against the Chiefs is getting after Patrick Mahomes, exposing whoever's replacing Tooney inside, and then maybe Tooney on the outside.
Could you imagine if the Chiefs – I couldn't actually. Lose to the Texans? I can't.
Can't see it? I cannot. Did you watch that clip right there? It was awesome.
Awesome? Yeah. I mean, that was – It was awesome.
And then Stingley just so natural. Just give me the ball.
And their pass rush? Very talented. D'Amico brings it.
Yes. Their offensive line is crap.
Absolutely stinks. Just a little bit of a...
Offensive line stinks. Yeah, a little bit of a difference.
Yeah. Defensively, tremendous.
With those Chiefs. Oh, you're talking about just Andy Reid, the whole thing.
Talking about Pat Mahomes here. Yeah.
Talking about Travis Kelsey. Yeah.
I'm about to stop and buy a program the other day. Very kind of him.
That was awesome. Also, D-Hop revenge game.
Just thought of that. Definitely.
Chiefs against the Texans. Back of balls? Is that what it was? Yeah.
Over to the Chargers? Davey Johnson. I knew they needed a washing machine.
I called them up. Jackie Moon.
He needs to be. You know, he's doing the elf.
Yeah. He's doing the elf.

He needs to just be Jackie Moon in every NBA game.

The NBA should be paying him.

They should.

To just go and just go to games.

Ratings are down.

Well, there's a chance Jackie Moon plays tonight.

How about that?

Fucking free corn dogs.

I'd go to every Pacers game.

Good idea.

We lose to the Cavaliers last night.

I don't know if you're smart.

That's going to happen.

Yeah, especially without Tyrese.

He'll be hella back, right?

Exactly.

I wouldn't be worried about it until the playoffs. Pacers are a hot team.
Speaking of all, let's go to some more good D on everything DB from Darius Paul. Yeah, speaking of hot team, hot defense.
Philadelphia Eagles, great. Another great cornerback tandem here.
You got Quincy Mitchell down at the bottom. Quintana Moby been locking shit up as a rookie.
And then the O-head, Triple OG, big play slay on the other side. This is a teach tape rep.
Just got a straight takeoff route, straight goal ball here. He's in position off corner, little double move, sits, gets his head around, boop, falls right in his number two.
This is called leaning and locating. You see it here, boom, settles the feet, get back, fills it, wicks it a little on top, in phase, you see that little arm grab there, that little left arm grab.
Joust, joust. Boom, a little joust, get away with it.
Boom, catch it. That's a tough catch to make.
Old Head is still doing it at a high, high level. Slay is playing at a high level.
Mitchell's playing at a high level. Cooper DeGene, all these guys on that back end are tied in.
They did lose to Kobe Dean, which kind of showed some bad tackling, kind of showed up on tape once he left the game. So I'm interested to see who replaces him.
Would they put Young Trotter in there? Or I forgot the guy who actually caused the fumble and opened the kickoff. He may replace him as well.
Okay, so is this a standard cover too here? This is – no, so down here, so down at the bottom, so down at the bottom is some type of zone coverage. I'm not sure what the zone coverage is, but up top, he is locked on.
So pretty much man-to-man. If you, right before the snap, love most of that guy.
So if you pause it here, now you got a four-by-one. So a lot of times when you have zone coverages in the offense, Dan O was talking about the four-by-one.
When they overload that side, a lot of times on the backside, you just lock that corner up. So regardless of what the other 10 guys are doing

down here at the bottom of the screen, Slade's just on an

island with Wicks. So it's just one-on-one

and they're doing some type of zone coverage

down here.

What a play. Great play.
Perfect.

Great play. Great position.

And also, Jordan Love, my guy

one-on-one. He's going to throw it up.

Fourth receiving option. Throwing him

an awful lot. An awful lot.
And I like Don Davian Wicks. What about Bo Melton, dude? How is he? Yeah, same difference.
Let's go fucking get a couple guys. What? You guys need weapons? Yeah, let's maybe get Tucker Craft a little bit more involved.
From the Green Bay Packers? You guys need weapons? I didn't know. What are you talking about? No, yeah.
I mean, you got guys dropping like flies. And in the know, in the playoffs, we can't be throwing the guys who, you know,

were just called up from the practice squad.

You just can't beat the Eagles that way.

You think Coop DeGene's going to get fucking burned by one of those guys?

Absolutely not.

All that speed on that guy.

Absolutely not.

And Blankenship, you think he's going to get out smart?

Exactly.

He was fucking sticking and moving out there.

Yeah, he was.

He was.

All right, who else do we have on EverythingDB? Those two guys on the Everything DB watch list for next year. Really? Early preseason watch list.
Put them on the white list. No, no, no.
No, the watch list. Sorry.
I don't see color. I just see numbers.
Yeah, there's an absence of one, though, for those guys. All right, here we go.
Third and seven. We got Chris Shula's young defense.
LA Rams right here. Obviously had Sam Darnold in hell all afternoon.
See Kobe Durant following Jordan Addison over in motion. And this is a great, great rep.
Obviously pressure up front, but bad throw inside. But he did a great job.
If you run it back one more time. Actually, you can see it from this copy so this this uh safety he's going to drop in insert take away that end cut from justin jefferson you got a crosser from naylor who comes open but because of that pressure he never gets back to him bad throw i think bad ball placement but a great job by the young corner durant to get as he actually opened his hips inside and planted his foot got back addis is not an easy.
Getting the coverage right and then once again picking that ball off. Great play.
Oh, the Rams the real deal. Is that what we learned today? I think so.
And Darnold. What's that? He had a rough outing.
You did. You called.
You called. Darnold might be just like, hey, Kevin O'Connell's a really good coach.
What are your thoughts on Sam Darnold? I think Dan nailed it when he said it earlier. He's just not going to win you the game.
Jeez. What the fuck? I didn't expect that to go that way.
I think he's Geno Smith. He's going to win you again.
He's an Orange Bowl champion. I don't know if he's Geno Smith.
I think Sam Darnold turned into a pumpkin. And guess what happens when you turn into a pumpkin And you don't come back Nice sex Yeah, I got killed Let's not do the Orlovsky and blame everybody else When we've been pumping up Darnold all year About how great he is Have you heard the radio call from the Vikings guy? Paul Allen? Yeah I have not It is hilarious Because he is screaming at Darnold to get rid of the ball over and over again.
He is a great play-by-by. He also blamed Jay Glazer for the loss.
He didn't blame Jay Glazer. He blamed whoever told Jay Glazer that Kevin O'Connell was potentially going to get traded on the day of the Detroit Lions' number one NFC seed game matchup Sunday Night Football.
He said that whoever decided to leak that or say that to Jay Glazer, shame on you. I think it's his actual words.
Shame on you for doing that. Because there's people, I was there, that were wondering, is Kevin O'Connell going to get traded? Is he fully committed? Is everybody all in? He did bring that up in his post.
I think he hosts a radio show in town. Paul Allen on the PA on the mic.
I listed that clip and he was like, shame on whoever the fuck decided that on the biggest Sunday of this team's life, somebody needs to know that the head coach might be getting the fuck out of town. Shame on you, whoever it was.
It's like, I can see how you say that. I would also see how Kevin O'Connell had no idea that was potentially going to happen

and maybe an agent was like, yeah, I think it's about time we remember here that there's

a contract due for somebody.

That's just like classic chess on how this whole thing works.

I was shocked.

Me too.

He was even going into the final year.

I would have just assumed we locked this guy up for another five years.

2030.

After last year. And I think his agent was thinking the same thing.
What are we even doing here? With that being said, I just expected the players wouldn't care, but the way he was talking was like, it was a real talking piece about it all. Players would be okay.
That's what I'm saying. I didn't think the players cared either.
A little excuse trade. When I heard that, all I thought to myself was, wow, Kevin O'Connell's tradable.
I wonder who's all going to be interested in Kevin O'Connell. And then looked up his contract, find out it's up.
It's like, okay, that's good business. I didn't even think one time it could be a distraction until Paul Allen said that on his show.
And it's like, maybe he was there, we were not, H. I guess.
I mean, they know that their head coach is going to be there for the remainder of the season. They knew they weren't going to take him in two days.
What if Kevin O'Connell did the ultimate leverage play? I'm holding up tonight's game. Good luck.
Show up to the Lions game. Enjoy the game.
Show up. Put a hoodie on.
Don't put the headset on. Seeds.
I'm not putting it on. Sunglasses.
Maybe Justin Jefferson sunglasses. Huge chain.
Huge chain, yeah. Walking around, not talking to anybody.
Interesting call. Do you want to get a deal done or not? Do you want to coach tonight or not? I don't think that's what he was doing.
No. But it was a nice reminder that he has his deals up.
They need to pay that guy. A lot.
Give him a six-year deal. That makes everyone look good.
Maybe a 10-year.

Oh, yeah.

Feels like you got it right with him.

Feels like you got it right with him.

Will they be able to win a Super Bowl, though?

Can you win a Super Bowl?

We'll never find out.

Not with Darnold.

Jeez.

What about that offensive line?

Well, you saw it. I wrote it earlier.

They need a lot of upgrades on the offensive line in Minnesota.

But that's how it got hurt.

That just speaks even more volumes as to why Kevin O'Connell deserves to be paid. Yeah, but also Sam Donald maybe shouldn't be judged as hard.
Yeah, agreed, but you can't hold on to the ball like that. You can't take nine sacks.
Take nine sacks? Yeah. How many of you think about him? You guys are letting up nine sacks.
Guy was corkscrewing in the pocket. I mean, there was numerous times when he was getting sacked at five seconds.
What is the – Five seconds? How come that stat's not never talked about? It should be. It's just all blamed on the offensive line.
Yeah, look at this guy. I get turned around.
I get turned around. I mean, how many times have I called you? What are they talking about here? Yeah, that's how this whole thing started because Dan Orlovsky was doing a breakdown on how this was an offensive lineman's fault.
And AQ said, you know how dumb Dano sounds on TV right now? And I'm not watching TV at the time, so he had to explain it to me. Then I watched it back, and he watched along with me.
Let's watch this together. Then he explained how the center actually, because it's on the left hash, he's looking over his center.
The linebacker is off to his left, shaded to his left, so he actually doesn't count. And it protects you to the right.
Dan doesn't know that, though. Dan doesn't know that at all.
Yeah, you would like the offensive linemen to stop getting blamed. They get blamed for everything.
And it's like so many times that, like, for instance, against the Vikings game the other night, Sam Darnold legitimately is standing in the pocket and hitch, hitch, trying to step up, move back. Like, at some point, throw the ball away.
Those guys got to protect him. They got to give him more time.
The guy needs time for the play to develop. He was seeing ghosts.
Throw the ball away. He was missing throws all over the show.
How about when he showed his eyes the one time, he was just like, fuck this, where am I? They were dialing some shit up, too. It wasn't simple.
It was only rushing four most of the time, sometimes five. But for Sam, he felt like it was 13 motherfuckers rushing him.
I'm happy to hear that we still have massive question marks with the Minnesota Vikings offense and at head coach, I guess. Are they going to get a deal done or not? I don't know.
Let's go to the last everything DB, good, deep, bad D. Darius J.
Butler, what do we have? Last play, and this is unfortunately, you know, best cornerback in the league right now, Patrick Sertain. Sometimes you have bad ones, and once again, another four-by-one situation.
This one in man-to-man coverage. You'll see him and Riley Moss kind of communicating on who's on who.
He's on Hollins. If you pause it here, so there's a little mix-up.
And now he is in bad leverage, just how Joe Brady and Josh Allen drew it up. Got Curtis Samuel running across the field, away from his leverage.
Hits him in stride, and then, eek, eek, hits the brakes on him. You never want that as DBs.
You want to be able to tackle him so that you can defend every blade of grass. We saw this in the Texas-Ohio State game.
Like, you get a guy down, you get it first and goal on a one, you just got to be able to roll the ball out there and say, hey, we got to defend the bow up, keep him out of the end zone. So you got to get him on the ground, even when you give up a big play but this play started with communication if you just line up samuel against patrick sertan nine times out of ten sertan is going to win that rep but when you add in the formation the motion the communication the hesitation of being in the wrong leverage you get big plays like this so great job from joe brady calling up dialing up and then obviously josh allen executing and making the throw Hell yeah.
Congrats to all the DBs all season that were on everything DB. Good D.
And sorry to all the DBs that were on bad D. But you're going to get got.
You just got to get yours more than you get got. Absolutely.
Shout out to Marshawn Lynch. And shout out to you, Darius.
Great work. Thanks, brother.
You too, AQ. All right, we're going to get the hell out of here on this glorious White Wednesday.
We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Remember, Monday night we'll be on a sideline for the national championship.
Another field pass, the last field pass, as Notre Dame takes on the Ohio State Buckeyes. And obviously we've got a massive divisional round ahead.
We've got a lot of shit to talk about, and we'll do more of it tomorrow. Don, why don't you come out of Hammer? Don! Don! Join

the squadron. Get on out of here.

You know, today's show was so electrifying, actually,

it blew out the lower left quadrant of the back wall.

That's right. Wow.
Nice. Yeah, it is

nice. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.

We love this type of stuff.

Too much electricity blows the panel.

That's what we're looking to do every

single day, and we can't thank you enough for allowing us

to do it for a living. From all of us to all of you, you're the best.
Be a friend. Tell a friend something nice.
It might change their life. We're in this thing together.
Team on me. Thank you for traveling out of your AQ.
Thanks for having me. Great work, DB.
You too, Pat. Team on three.
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