PMS 2.0 1277 - JJ Watt, Puka Nacua, Dan Orlovsky, NFL Films VP Keith Cossrow, AQ Shipley, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome.

Speaker 1 On this Wednesday, January 15th, 2025, this program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football is awesome, man. Obviously, I'm super fashionable today.
Okay, this is a camouflage shirt that my wife got me for Christmas. I'm a 37-year-old.

Speaker 1 This seems like a midlife crisis on your screen, but it was the only shirt I had in the office. I don't love it, but here we are.

Speaker 1 Also, take a look at this snowy cityscape here of Indianapolis, Indiana, created by AI and ZEET Collab. Want to let you know it's cold as the Dickens here in the Midwest.
We hope you are A-OK.

Speaker 1 Obviously, out there in California, tease and peace for everything you have going on. Still, I believe there's another gust of wind coming through.

Speaker 1 We couldn't fathom the devastation that's taking place over there.

Speaker 1 We will continue to try to be the distraction on the screen, the doofuses, who will hopefully try to lighten up your day a little bit. Today, JJ Watt will be joining us.

Speaker 1 Dan Orlovsky will be be joining us. And Keith Kosrow, who is a Jinser who's been working at NFL Films for 25 plus years, will be joining us at a third hour on YouTube, ESPN Plus, Disney Plus.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. And three more days.
Yeah. TikTok Live.
Drink it in. I don't want to say we were ahead of this.
And people that have followed the program for a long time, okay, started in 217. when I retired.

Speaker 1 We were ahead of a lot of things. World news things.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We talked about Jim Kong a lot. People thought we were just making things up.
And then all of a sudden, guess who shot an 18 on a golf course? R.I.P.I.P.? Jim Kong. Made a whole song about it.

Speaker 1 Nobody's talking about this guy. He's, he's a menace.
There's a little bit going on over here. We called the first upset of the 2020 election,

Speaker 1 what was going to happen, because we had been following the tea leaves. And we have been the only program.
that has been openly saying, hey, they need to figure it out with TikTok.

Speaker 1 TikTok is going to end this Sunday, allegedly. Whoa,

Speaker 1 China, who owns it, which has been a big part of the problem, I guess, and this entire thing, if you've been paying attention to it, they said, we'll shut it down. We got no problems.
And then Mr.

Speaker 1 Wonderful said, I'll buy it. And we said, okay, Mr.
Wonderful, where the fuck are you finding $60 billion from? I'm sure you'd be able to figure it out. He drops off.

Speaker 1 Elon potentially, I guess he's out. We need Bezos or one of these big money Americans to come.
I'm not saying Elon isn't American. You get it.

Speaker 1 But we need somebody, big money that's associated with the United States of America to buy this thing and this might just be a leverage play by china with tick tock but they're saying they're shutting this thing down on sunday they're shutting it down so to our tick tock live crew a record-breaking day yesterday it's been fun true on

Speaker 1 to talk it's been honored and obviously to talk the man who edits all of our tick tocks and has found a nice little career here yes lived in Lived a good little life. Yep.

Speaker 1 He's done on Sunday. It's over.
Sharpener. You're going to have to fire him.
I know.

Speaker 1 Guys losing jobs over here because of the entirety of it all. But let's enjoy it while we have talk still in the building.
Sure. There's people talking about maybe just not only just firing him, but

Speaker 1 erasing him. Yeah.
I don't think we should do that. Talks about it.
That seems a little

Speaker 1 bit guillotine on the center of the stage. See, that's what's being pitched by a talks at the table.
That's at boss Connor and Attai Schmidt.

Speaker 1 We won't be doing that. We will miss talk.
He potentially just transitions into reels. A lot of transitions happening these days.
He potentially transitions from talk into reels

Speaker 1 on Sunday, but that's TBD on this entire thing. We would like to let TikTok know, don't shut it down.
Don't shut it down. Don't shut it down.
Let's keep it going, you know?

Speaker 1 But let's also make sure it's in the right hands. And who is in the right hands? Just saw Zuckerberg do an entire interview.
Is that the right hand? I don't know because of the way things are going.

Speaker 1 Wild World, wild time to be alive. Lucky to be here.
We just know TikTok is on its...

Speaker 1 Last legs. It is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Sad.

Speaker 1 I'm that.

Speaker 1 Can't let China win.

Speaker 1 Again. Not even for a second.
Not for a second. That's what they're saying.
Yeah, exactly. Nine-year NFL vet who wins all the time.
Darius J. Butler's here, yes, very much.

Speaker 1 Debunch, I don't have the TikTok app on my phone.

Speaker 3 I do not either.

Speaker 1 I do not know how TikTok operates, but I do know our shows on TikTok. And I do know whenever I go around the country for college game day and I see, I see, we watch your clips on TikTok.

Speaker 1 And once again, that's because of how talented talk is.

Speaker 1 That guy's got one year on the show, one year on the edit. He's capturing every single word.
I don't think he stops working for a 10-hour period straight. This guy's plugged in, dialed in all day.

Speaker 3 It's over.

Speaker 3 I refuse to download it as well because I'm a rabbit hole type of guy. I feel like it's too way too many rabbit holes on TikTok.
Huge search engine, too.

Speaker 3 A lot of people, kids, older folks, hey, I want to go on vacation here. I want to learn how to build this, learn how to take pictures.
I mean, look on TikTok. So it is a valuable place and space.

Speaker 3 I still think it's too big to fill.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you've been saying that since the beginning. Yep.

Speaker 1 China said, we'll shut it down. He said, we'll shut it down.
Pussy. And America said, yeah, go ahead.
Shut it down. We don't care.
You got our youth, huh? In the palm of your hands.

Speaker 1 That's what you think? They do. They do.
Everybody's on that thing. And you said rabbit hole.
From my understanding of watching Mitt, whoa, dude, TikTok. It is just a rabbit.
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 It is actually built to be a rabbit hole. One after another, after another, after another, after another, after another.
You look up, holy shit, China's got me locked in here for the last time.

Speaker 1 Exactly. I'm Chinese now.

Speaker 1 Speaking Mandarin.

Speaker 1 That's what happens. Yeah.
That's what they're saying. Yeah.
I don't know enough about it because I don't have it, but that is what they're saying.

Speaker 1 Foxy planned an entire honeymoon off of TikTok.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was planning on doing that again, but now I can't.

Speaker 1 Another wedding? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean? You plan another honeymoon? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Vacation. We got vacation coming up.

Speaker 1 I got to plan that.

Speaker 1 Another honeymoon would mean another wedding, which we do not want. We've already had two.

Speaker 4 Well, if I say it's my honeymoon, then I can get a lot of free stuff. So I might do that, actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, always at the places you're going. It's either a birthday or a honeymoon, for sure.
Yes. Even if it's just an added benefit of the chocolate strawberries.
Sure. Or an extra robe or two.

Speaker 1 Certainly worthy of getting back something so definitely a birthday trip or a honeymoon trip all the time that's a nice little life hack there Foxy yeah definitely and also I would say out of all the social media platforms TikTok is definitely the friendliest to our program specifically really the program they love the program over there on tick tock so positive good vibes all the time oh we do get banned off there quickly you know you mention something all of a sudden your show's been taken down or you piss off some people and they just attack it reporting you taken down like i think a lot of ars fans went after us zairs fans talk us down.

Speaker 1 We'll piss off some people in certain companies. They'll attack our TikTok, report it, and they'll take us down.
But TikTok's been good to us. It has.

Speaker 1 I don't know how it works, but it's been good to us. And we're appreciative of that.
And I'm going to miss talk around here. I know.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 It's a good kid. It's a moment of silence for him.

Speaker 1 The most dialed-in editor in the history of editing.

Speaker 1 The only thing you ever heard from him was his loud ass feet pummeling a treadmill.

Speaker 1 At the end of a day,

Speaker 1 after editing 45 TikToks and captioning of them all,

Speaker 1 a couple of them will get sent through, and I go, nope, not doing that. And he goes, wow, thanks for wasting 35 minutes of my life.
He doesn't care.

Speaker 4 Never bitches, never complains.

Speaker 1 Just continues to work.

Speaker 1 A robot in human form.

Speaker 1 Talk had a great run here. Talk, great work, buddy.

Speaker 1 Come in, you talk.

Speaker 1 Fall on his feet. Flat.

Speaker 1 He will fall on his flat feet. That is something he will do.
There's talk right there. And it's time, innit? That's kind of apropos.
It is apropos. That he was clock because it is, it is time.

Speaker 1 Talk is a Massachusetts legend, a Fairfield stag.

Speaker 1 Yeah. An Emmy Award winner at his previous job.

Speaker 1 And for us,

Speaker 1 he was an absolute nuke on TikTok.

Speaker 1 And I think it's because of the threat of nukes. Why?

Speaker 1 TikTok is going to stop. Exactly.
Wish that AI photo. You know, it's supposed to be snow, but through the camera, sure looks like Indy's taking one to the chin.

Speaker 1 This is Indianapolis, Indiana, obviously. Clearly, you can see it.
A lot of buildings. There's more buildings than just these buildings, but that is it.

Speaker 1 The future's bright, not for talk, but for everybody else. Right.
Let's never forget that. Let's enjoy this life.
12-year NFL vet is here. Also a big TikToker, Super Bowl champion, AQ Shiplay.

Speaker 1 I actually just joined this year. I'm on TikTok.
You have TikTok on your phone? Yeah. See, they got you.

Speaker 1 They got me. They've been listening.
They've been following. That's potentially why you're getting whenever you get home.
Could be. We don't know if that.
AQ Shipley is

Speaker 1 a drunk driver accident survivor. Last week, correct? That's correct.
I don't want to give away too much of your business.

Speaker 1 You land back in Phoenix after doing your AQ

Speaker 1 in the trenches stuff here, and you're driving home. That's right.
And some boozed up lady comes popping out of a bar, bam, smashes you.

Speaker 1 Airbags? Airbags, front, gone, totaled, everything. You're okay, though.
Stomach bruised beyond belief. What do you mean, stomach? I don't think I understand what you mean.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 What do you mean? It's crazy. It's bruised.
What do you mean it's bruised?

Speaker 1 I thought it was airbag. These guys tell me it's seatbelt.
Oh, because you had your seatbelt on? Yeah, I did. You're a good guy.
How about that? How about that booze bag lady trying to take you out?

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. Lucky it was you in an SUV.
Could have been anybody else. In this stage, drunk driving, done.
Arizona, very,

Speaker 1 they don't treat drunk drivers well, right?

Speaker 3 Wow, back. See ya.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that car, see ya. Put her in a can and sent her into the sea.
Talk's doing the same thing here with Sunday. That's right.
Let's talk some ball, shall we? Let's go to Hammer. Done.
Done.

Speaker 1 AP Tone, we're learning a lot about the Pittsburgh Steelers. Did you see the Mark Caboli report on X? Uh-oh.
Mark Kaboli, who is a contributor to this particular program and the WWE.

Speaker 1 D-Bone makes his graphics for every one of his tweets that he writes out. I think he's done a great job kind of changing the local sports reporter game.

Speaker 1 Just posts on X, and the views that he's getting on some of these are hundreds of thousands, where maybe in the past, it was just tens of thousands, whatever the case.

Speaker 1 More people are able to see the local reporting, which is a beautiful thing. The local reporters deserve to continue to exist.

Speaker 1 The local reporters, you know, have a beat on the things that are going on, which is why they are beat reporters. Mark Eboli is certainly the first of many.

Speaker 1 I assume they'll be taking his talents strictly to X because there's no real length limit where you can just type up an entire article.

Speaker 1 In the article that he released yesterday, kind of surrounding and involving the Pittsburgh Steelers, he said, reports surfaced during the year that offense coordinator Audrey Smith preferred Fields over Wilson, but that was never substantiated, says Mark Bully.

Speaker 1 Never substantiated. It was being talked about.
There's rumblings.

Speaker 1 Still, despite Wilson and Smith spending countless hours together after the typical workday, watching film and publicly joking about it, a team source,

Speaker 1 Sis recently said that Wilson and Smith did not have a very good working relationship, but fought through their differences as best they could. Whoa.
I thought these two were thick as thieves.

Speaker 1 Just yesterday, we were talking about maybe Russ and Artie Smith going to a team together because of how much they are.

Speaker 1 Allegedly, their wives had to joke about how much time they're spending together instead of spending with the family. Now, Kaboli's saying maybe they aren't getting along.

Speaker 1 Now, Artie Smith is interviewing for a couple of head coaching jobs. Russell Wilson's a free agent.
I'm seeing him work out. He looks unbelievable.
He's back to work. Oh, yeah.
He's back to work.

Speaker 1 Team three. Already? He's back to work.
He said, you know, the grind never stops. New year, new season.
Let's get back to work.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on everything that's kind of unfolding with this Pittsburgh Steelers team? Pickens, late to the Christmas game, amongst other things.

Speaker 1 Artie Smith, Russell Wilson, allegedly, potentially not on the same page.

Speaker 1 Justin Fields, obviously not as much like during the season, but now he's being spoke about a little bit more glowingly by people. Where do the Pittsburgh Steelers fall right now?

Speaker 1 And what are your thoughts on the future from your particular standpoint?

Speaker 5 Obviously, things could be better. Things could be a lot better.
They're not great right now because there's a lot of stuff coming out and not a lot of it is good.

Speaker 5 The Artie Smith and Russell Wilson stuff wouldn't be super surprising to me. You know, Artie Smith, a salt of the earth, mustachio man.

Speaker 5 Russell Wilson wears his own jersey, you know, a lot.

Speaker 5 We know Russ. We know Team 3.
He was great for us all season long. But, you know, the oil and water type situation that could be between him and Artie Smith is not exactly surprising.

Speaker 5 But, you know, they are professionals, so they tried to work together.

Speaker 5 You know, and Artie Smith spoke glowingly of Justin Fields all year and Mike Tomlin was asked you know did Justin Fields show enough that he could be the starter for this team next year and Mike Tomlin said absolutely so if I'm reading the tea leaves I would personally put my money on Justin Fields to be the potential starter for next year one I think he'll be cheaper um in that situation and he's much much much younger um than Russell Wilson is and we're trying to find the future uh other than I mean the George Pick and stuff Mike Tomlin said he's got a lot of growing to do I know a lot of Steelers fans wouldn't be sad if there's a lot of, hey, let's just trade GP and get this over with situations going around.

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 5 we've had wide receivers in the past, you know, George, or sorry, Antonio Brown, Deontay Johnson, Clay, Chase Claypool. There's becoming a bit of a trend in Pittsburgh with the wide receivers.

Speaker 1 While they are very good.

Speaker 1 Well, one of them, Hall of Fame, the other one's not so much. Correct.
Let's make sure we remember that, you know. Yes.
Everybody bring the Steelers fans, I think, bring up A.B. A.
B., A. B.
A. B.

Speaker 1 It's like A.B. also best player on the football field.
These other guys not.

Speaker 1 I mean, maybe George Pickens will become that with the amount of ability that he has and the amount of talent he has, but it hasn't happened just yet. Maybe it's the offense.
Maybe it's him.

Speaker 1 But like, I think you're willing to go through that with A.B. Cause it's like.
Yes.

Speaker 1 This guy.

Speaker 1 This guy.

Speaker 5 He worked his ass off, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. At practice.
It was a worker. Like, that is what he's known.
You don't become that great without all the work. It was just also, you know, everything else kind of surrounding A.B.

Speaker 1 that Tomlin had to navigate and negotiate. Deontay Johnson, they're coming out saying this guy's the biggest bum that has ever come through the NFL.
Wasted talent because of an attitude problem.

Speaker 1 He's been on four different teams in the last eight months. He just got cut from a playoff team because after a win, he was potting about how many times he got the ball.
You're new to the team, pal.

Speaker 1 You just got there. You guys just won the playoffs.
Can't be pouting. D'Amico says, get the hell out of here to Deontay Johnson.
And Chase Claypool, I mean, that first year, he was great.

Speaker 1 10 touchdowns. Had a lot of other people on the field with him too, right? At that time.
Yeah. And then obviously he becomes uh a tick tock yeah fashion guy juju thanks turned into a chinese guy no

Speaker 1 he's canadian no i know canadian chinese

Speaker 1 you're talking about tick tock taking him down exactly that's maybe when gallagher and the government said we got to stop this needs to stop now it's taking down nfl players

Speaker 1 these guys are too busy well if it's anti-china you know it's gallagher but these nfl guys are doing all this doing the dances we just want ball TikTok's doing it. And then he started snooping around.

Speaker 1 He said, let's get him out of there. But to your point about the wide receivers at the Pittsburgh Steelers, it's like, how come it only happens there, seemingly? It doesn't happen everywhere else.

Speaker 1 I think it does happen everywhere else. The Steelers, though, just get amplified because they're always going to be in the playoffs, always going to win, and then they're going to fail.

Speaker 1 And then you start pointing out what's the issue. Well, there's red flags here.
There's red flags here. There's red flags here.
Let's go to a 12 here

Speaker 1 NFL veteran, Super Bowl champion, former member of the Pittsburgh Steelers, actually drafted to the Pittsburgh Steelers, if I do recall.

Speaker 1 AQ Shipley, back in your hometown of Pittsburgh, a lot of drama right now saying there's going to be changes on all levels. What does that mean to you as somebody that's been around ball?

Speaker 1 The biggest issue that Pittsburgh keeps doing is they just keep putting band-aids on things. They don't do a full wholesale change.

Speaker 1 So it's like, okay, we're going to take one person out, but nothing gets actually fixed. And it's constant over and over again.
There's a quarterback issue there.

Speaker 1 So, okay, we're going to get rid of Russell. We're going to put Justin Fields back in.
It's the same guy you had the first five weeks of the season, you didn't feel comfortable with.

Speaker 1 So now we're going to go back. Now all of a sudden he's great.

Speaker 1 Now we're a playoff team. We're going to win playoff games.
I just don't see that happening. Receiver-wise, you're relying on George Pickens.
It's continuously the same problem over and over again.

Speaker 1 So how do we do that? We just put a band-aid on it. We just do that.
Defensively, same stuff. We got issues.

Speaker 1 We got glaring issues, but we get a new defensive coordinator, or we'll fire a coach and we'll bring a new coach in. Again, put a band-aid on it.
We never actually fix the problem.

Speaker 1 But they're able to win in spite of all this, but not enough to actually win, but not enough losses to get a good draft pick.

Speaker 1 So it's like they're kind of stuck in this purgatory, which is why Yensers are so pissed off. That's right.
That's exactly right. I mean, it's constant.

Speaker 1 You go eight and nine or nine and eight or 10 and seven or whatever it is. You're always going to be a 15 through 20 pick.
You can't get a top-tier quarterback.

Speaker 1 You can't get exactly what you need to fix the program. And then we feel good about it because we're winning enough, but we're not winning the whole thing.
How's Mr. Ships?

Speaker 1 How's Pop feel about the whole thing? He's over it. He's over it.
He's throwing in the towel. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 He doesn't mind living in his misery. He's still a Pirates fan.
He's looking forward to Pirates season. Exactly.
That's right. That's where he is.
Excuse me. Yeah, we're talking Jinzer.

Speaker 1 Fuck, he's dead. I mean, you're talking full-on, you know, just like them out there.
And I think all Jinsers are feeling the same exact way. It's like, yeah, it's fun to be above 500.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 That sounds great. We go over to Cleveland, drive over to the Mistake on a Lake.
We say, how you guys doing? You guys stink. Look at us.
We're above 500.

Speaker 1 That's basically what Steelers fans are done with. I'm not saying it's Mike Tomlinson issue either.
This is an entire organization, program, tradition.

Speaker 1 Hopefully they're able to make some wholesale changes and actually make some changes and be able to get to the next step.

Speaker 1 Or all of them fail and they go way down the other way and then maybe some actual changes can take place.

Speaker 1 Nonetheless, I would love Mike Tomlin to be the coach of my team, which is, I think, what 28 teams are saying whenever they hear Steelers fans bitch about what's going on in Pittsburgh. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So for like a full reset, you know, like, is that something where Tomlin would have to leave? I'm in the same boat where it's like, hey, just went through a terrible year.

Speaker 1 Last two years have been terrible. Would love to have above 500 Mike Tallman, but obviously don't want to lose every year in the first round of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Like, can you do wholesale changes while keeping the same head coach throughout the last 10 years? Yeah, sometimes I think you just need to separate.

Speaker 1 I think there's a point in time where sometimes it just wears out. It's welcome.
He's a phenomenal football coach, but sometimes over time,

Speaker 1 the same guy in the same situation, the same building becomes stale, period. And it just becomes 10 and 7, and it just becomes what you are.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that that's the answer, but that's what I feel. That is exactly what I feel.
And sometimes it's okay, even when things are good or okay, to separate.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think there's a freshness too. And whenever there's a void at the top, there's another need to kind of impress people.
But to Connor's point, the grass is not always greener.

Speaker 1 Usually never is. Yeah.
And like, I get the whole new voice. That was kind of the thing we were spinning with Belichick.

Speaker 1 And when I say we, it was like people who wanted to keep Belichick, but still, you know, it was too late. It's like, hey, maybe a new voice will help.
And obviously it didn't.

Speaker 1 So that's why it's one of those things where like Belichick, at least his last year is 4 and 13. So it's like, hey, you can move on from a coach when you go 4 and 13.

Speaker 1 But with Pittsburgh, they're not losing. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a member of the Bull Ring of Honor down there for the Houston Texans, one of only four people, I do believe.

Speaker 1 He'll be a first ballot Hall of Famer whenever he's available. He's built like an avatar.

Speaker 1 I think we all forget just how big he is until he's in a photo with some normal-sized human being and you go, Jesus Christ. What is this thing? Well, this thing is JJ Watt.

Speaker 1 Hey, Jage, how you doing? Hey, great.

Speaker 8 How you guys doing?

Speaker 1 Hey, I heard we're talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers here as we wrap up, and obviously you have a tie to it.

Speaker 1 You have Phom Familia over there for the Steelers, one of the pillars of that Pittsburgh Steelers team.

Speaker 1 And there's been a lot of chatter about the most expensive defense in ball is that Pittsburgh Steelers defense. And they weren't able to get the job done.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the Ravens obviously do what they did to the Steelers in the playoffs. What are your thoughts on the entirety? I heard Teage say he needs to be more willing to do more.

Speaker 1 I think he took on some ownership in the failures. What are your thoughts on how the Steelers currently are set up for the

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, I don't think there's any denying what happened at the end of the season.

Speaker 8 I mean, you lose five in a row while your direct division opponent goes on and wins five in a row and is headed, looking like an absolute wagon, headed into the next round of the playoffs.

Speaker 8 And very, very tough, tough scene the other night, obviously. I mean, defense giving up that many yards, offense not really even able to move the ball.

Speaker 8 It's a tough situation, man. I mean,

Speaker 8 it's like everybody said.

Speaker 8 I mean, everybody's kind of talked through it all all already in the good enough but not good enough scenario which puts you in a very difficult place and that's just kind of where they are right now and it's finding a way to break through that finding a way to take that next step figuring out why it's some of those end of the season first round of playoff failures and what has created that is it something with the systems it's something with the way they do things with the end of the year what is it um i think that's the answers everybody inside and outside of that building is trying to find at at the moment.

Speaker 1 How long is TJ locked down for there with the Steelers? Three more years?

Speaker 8 No, he's got one year left on his deals. So it's...

Speaker 8 Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Contract year for Teach next year? Yeah, he looks like a free agent.

Speaker 8 No, I mean, it's that kind of work. I mean, there's only one left.
So he'd be a free agent after this coming season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 1 Contract year. He's about to get 20 sacks next year.
Let's assume TJ gets to the quarterback 20. Not that he wouldn't normally, but if this is a contract.

Speaker 1 How many times has Tej got to a contract year? Is this the second time now?

Speaker 8 I mean, you ever go into the last year of a contract? I mean, I don't know many people that are going into the last year of a contract like that.

Speaker 1 I got franchise tagged after my contract was over, but I did get a deal done before you're saying.

Speaker 5 He'll get extended.

Speaker 1 Okay, Tone, are you sure? There's a lot of problems. There's going to be changes at all levels.
They said, who's going to be making the change from Hammer, Don, Ton?

Speaker 5 Tiege is not one of those problems and does not need to do anything.

Speaker 5 He will get extended because he's a stealer for life.

Speaker 1 How much are you paying him, Tone?

Speaker 5 As much as he wants.

Speaker 1 Well, like, remember, he kicked down a door. You get the deal done last time.
He was kind of sick of the meddling and the agent. I don't know.

Speaker 8 I do think he knows, like he said, like you talked about, I do think that he knows that

Speaker 8 there can be some moving around. There can be some ways to get some of these chips, some of these double teams.

Speaker 8 There's things that can be done here to try and minimize that because it's very clear that there is heavy, heavy keying on exactly where he's going to be and just throwing a significant number of bodies at him and putting obstacles in the way.

Speaker 8 So moving around certainly does help that. And I think it's something that he's, he just recently said that he's more open to in the future and is going to work on.

Speaker 1 Okay, can't wait to see what he ends up and what he adds to his bag. You know, we got him over to the right side, maybe up the gut a little bit.

Speaker 1 Maybe a little bit. You know, because Jage, you used to move a lot.
You used to move around. Now, granted, you are, I mean, Tej is a monster.
We understand that, but you are an actual giant of a B.

Speaker 1 So you could play tackle on defensive line at your size if you had a couple more burgers. How tall are you?

Speaker 8 6'6.

Speaker 1 How heavy?

Speaker 8 290 was when I was playing. 280 now.

Speaker 1 Jeez. He's going to take on this guy.
Look at the take on this guy. Look at this human.
This human had it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Come on inside, Jage.
Come on inside.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He had leverage at all times.
Okay. Low man wins.
Ain't that right? That's always right. Short arms win.

Speaker 1 Not always.

Speaker 8 Simplest fact in football, easiest one that everybody forgets. Low man wins, baby.
That's right. Low man wins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unless you're 6'6, 290, and low man could just get

Speaker 1 kind of dumped. You know, one of those things.
Let's talk about the teams that are doing that. You talked about the Ravens rattling off a bunch of wins at the end of the season.

Speaker 1 They had three games in 11 days, won them all, and then they continue to kind of

Speaker 1 dominate on the offensive side of the ball while their defense figures it all out. They're taking on the Buffalo Beatles this weekend, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, MVP versus MVP runner-up.

Speaker 1 First team All-Pro versus second team All-Pro. This is a dream matchup, especially this particular season.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen coming in the year loses a lot of known names on his team, still able to lead his squad into a beautiful place at home playoff games and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Lamar Jackson is actually playing the best ball that he's ever played in this monk and offense. He's spinning it.
He's running again because his mom told him he needs to do that.

Speaker 1 Both these guys, high, high-level football. This is a dream, dream, dream matchup on CBS Sunday at 6.30.
Jage, what are your thoughts on the Buffalo Beals?

Speaker 1 Because you've already kind of talked about the Ravens. And what does this matchup come down to in your eyes?

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 this is obviously an unbelievable game. Can't wait to watch it.
No idea what's going to happen, but they're just,

Speaker 8 I mean, just two phenomenal teams, the two top MVP candidates.

Speaker 1 Like it's...

Speaker 8 It's going to be, I'm hoping that it's everything that we all think it could turn out to be because it has a chance to be one of those epic all-timer games.

Speaker 8 I mean, it's so hard to look at it and try and break it down here because you have the Ravens who, in my opinion, even from the very beginning of the year, yeah, they lost five games, but like from the beginning of the year, when you have Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson in the same backfield, that puts teams in such a bind for how you're going to stop that and what you're going to do.

Speaker 8 And then you go on the flip side and you have the Bills who have Josh Allen who can do absolutely anything. And I'm with you.

Speaker 8 Before the season, I was one of those people that said, I don't know how they replace some of these pieces.

Speaker 8 I don't know how they are this is kind of one of those rebuilding years and all they did was go out there and just dominate and crush people and easily move on to the next round so this is two titans going at it

Speaker 8 they you have to find a way to stop the Lamar Derrick Henry like you just you have to find a way clearly the Steelers did not have the proper plan for the zone read and for everything that they were doing with that

Speaker 8 so the bills have to find a way to slow that combination down but then the problem is you put the ball in Lamar's hands in the air and he's been doing it through the the air as well.

Speaker 8 So that's why as a defensive player, man, it is such a bitch to play against that offense because it's so hard. And Josh Allen's also doing everything on the other side.
It's, it's not

Speaker 8 fun to be a defensive player against either of these guys.

Speaker 1 Well, especially now this late in the season, obviously this point of the playoffs, it's only going to be the great teams remaining. And we had a reaction.

Speaker 1 We reiterate this fact because we don't get everything right. But when we do, I think we should take a victory lap.

Speaker 1 When Derrick Henry signed to the Baltimore Ravens, this particular program was like, that's not fair. that feels like, that's not a fair thing, especially with Ricard being there, right?

Speaker 1 And then Mark Andrews and likely. And then you got Lamar Jackson, who's the fast player on the field.
He said he was striding at 21 miles an hour.

Speaker 1 It's like, that's a lot of power and a lot of explosion all in one. Shout out to Munkin taking advantage of the entirety.
And I think Lamar has found his, oh, yeah. I think it's right here.

Speaker 1 I think it's a little three-quarter. I think that is his motion.
Just like Matthew Stafford, very similar motion. I think it took him some time to figure that out.

Speaker 1 He can put the ball in a keyhole right now. And that is the difference between Lamar this year versus Lamar in the past.
Lamar has always been able to throw the ball like good.

Speaker 1 Like he's always been a good thrower, an NFL quarterback, probably like

Speaker 1 12 to 20 arm wise. 12 to 20 arm wise always has been.
But his legs, number one. So you take 12 and number one together.
You got an elite quarterback that's going to win multiple MVPs.

Speaker 1 Now he's like top five thrower. and still number one runner.
It's like this guy, his confidence level is through the roof.

Speaker 1 They're putting a lot of mic'd up stuff out because they're on hard knocks, obviously. AFC North, the Ravens, it'll continue for however long they are.

Speaker 1 We'll talk to Keith Koshro of NFL Films here in about an hour and a half about that. But like this, the looseness.
and the confidence in which Lamar is playing right now.

Speaker 1 He feels like he can do anything and he can. And the way the team is set up, they're the real deal, brother.
And then Josh is the same exact thing. It feels like with Buffalo.

Speaker 1 Actually, I don't want to say losing Stephon Diggs made them better because obviously you lose a great player. You're going to take a hit somewhere.

Speaker 3 But it's like josh had no stress on it from anybody it's like hey this is your team you do whatever the hell you want to do on every single play don't feel like you got to make everybody happy it's like both these guys are playing their best ball sucks that one of them's got to go home in the divisional round yeah but it's great for us debuffs it's gonna be great entertainment with lamar it's kind of similar to almost what's going on with tomlin and the steelers from the outside end because like when lamar had greg roman a lot of people like hey you know he's winning mvps he's you know it's a run dominant offense he's doing all these great things but at some point he needs needs to be challenged to become the better passer, become the guy that can read and dissect defenses from the pockets.

Speaker 3 So they went their separate raise, brought in top mocking, and now this is his second full year in this offense, and they have just grown. Like, it's always been the game plan.

Speaker 3 Hey, make eight beat you from the pocket. Keep him cage in.
Make him do that. And now he can do that.
And he's using his legs more on passing plays, design runs.

Speaker 3 You got Derrick Henry, a wildcat, Lamar coming across. in motion like all that type of shit this this team is damn near impossible uh to stop they got to beat themselves almost on offense.

Speaker 1 It feels like Lamar is at the point in his life where he feels like he's proved that he's a good quarterback.

Speaker 1 Because there, for a bit, it felt like he was trying to prove to the world that he was a quarterback. He was kind of sick of people saying, Well, this guy's a running back playing quarterback.

Speaker 1 You know, they even mentioned it after games. I'm not saying we said that, but that is what a narrative was about Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 It feels like he's at a point of his career now after watching what he's where he's comfortable, like, okay, I'm cemented as a great quarterback. Like, that is it.

Speaker 1 So now he's just doing whatever the best option is. And I love that it took his mom being like, hey,

Speaker 1 I'm bossic of not watching you cook people. Because with the ball in his hands, he's the best guy on the field.
He's the best guy on the field with the ball in his hands anytime he's on the field.

Speaker 1 And it's like, now he's confident and free to kind of make whatever decision.

Speaker 8 It's like, that's fun, man. Yet, somehow after this game, one of these two quarterbacks is going to lose.

Speaker 8 And we know that somehow after this game, we're going to have all sorts of reports like, oh, that guy's not, he can't do it. He can't win.

Speaker 8 Like, I mean, like, we got two MVP candidates, two of the best of all time going at each other. One of them is going going to lose and we're going to die.
This guy stinks. He may have three MVPs.

Speaker 8 I don't care. He's terrible.

Speaker 1 Oh, Josh Allen. Daddy's awful.

Speaker 1 This is the best year Josh ever had. Can't even win the MVP.

Speaker 1 That is legitimately what's going to happen the day after. So on this particular

Speaker 1 Wednesday, we would like to say, boys, thanks for the seasons you guys had. Great year.
Great year. Great year by you guys.

Speaker 1 Now let's talk about the guy who has been able to get the job done, obviously. He's 29 years old.
He's already won multiple Super Bowls. He's already changed the game.

Speaker 1 He's already in the GOAT conversation. He's taking on a phenomenal team out of the AFC South.
AQUES has a question for you, Jage.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the Houston Texans, let's talk a little bit about their defense.

Speaker 1 And can you also touch on Joe Tooney moving out to left tackle and the problems he's about to be faced with when he goes against Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, obviously, the Texans defense was just incredible to watch. You know, Pat, I hope you and the rest of the AFC South got a real good chance to tune into that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thanks for representing for us. Thanks for representing for AFC South.

Speaker 8 Holding it down. Holding it down out of here for the AFC South.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because remember, we're dropped. We're in another playoff victory.
Thank you to the AFC South. There's divisions that don't have a playoff victory in years.

Speaker 1 So AFC South yet again, it's a fucking bustle. Just so happened, the Houston Texans snuck in to the divisional, to winning the AFC South.
It wasn't an easy division.

Speaker 1 Trevor Lawrence, everybody's talking about this guy. Can he make it or not? He plays in the AFC South.
Okay, the kitchen is hot in the AFC South. Will Levis, this guy's a button.

Speaker 1 He plays in the AFC South. Hold on.
Anthony Richardson, this guy's tapping on the game. Yeah, you know why? It's AFC South football.

Speaker 1 Okay, that is what AMC South Football is about. So we were watching along.
Thank you for representing the division, right? Isn't that what we were saying? Damn right.

Speaker 3 I'm afraid we're kind of becoming like one of those shitty SEC teams who just.

Speaker 1 Vandy! Yeah. We are not Vandy.
We got Vandandy.

Speaker 1 Gold Vandy.

Speaker 1 Go Vandy. You know, you might be like, oh, yeah, AMC South is not.
AMC South is the SEC, though, whenever you're talking about thank you. So that is accurate with what what you're saying.

Speaker 1 It's like Rutgers. Yeah, no teams in the title game.

Speaker 2 I was going to say SEC is not the top dog anymore.

Speaker 8 I was about to say, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's Big Ten Country. You know that.

Speaker 8 Back to back.

Speaker 8 Big dog.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right. Big Ten Country.
Yeah, you're damn right. The North.
Exactly. That's why I'm wearing this camo.
It's bingo. Yeah, because I'm out here.
You know, hunting.

Speaker 1 I got an orange hat I was going to wear so the deer, you know, they can't see it because they're colorblind as shit.

Speaker 1 But the other people won't shoot me because they see a floating head bouncing through. They're like, oh, oh, we got a goon or a goblin.
Nothing. Boom, shoot me.
But I got an orange hat I'll put on.

Speaker 1 You're right. For the north.
You're saying we're Ruckers? Rutgers.

Speaker 1 Kind of like the Mac almost. Maryland.

Speaker 1 No, we are in the same division. That's the conversation.
That's the whole thing. We're not in a different conversation.
Oh, I thought you guys were like UMass moving up, moving on up to the UMass.

Speaker 1 I'm about to

Speaker 1 do that. That's a mass hole.
And what's the student section up there at UMass?

Speaker 1 Zoomass. The Zoo, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Zoomass. And maybe we do got good vibes in the AFC South.
Nonetheless, the AFC South South is Big Ten football. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 And that's just a fact of the matter. That's it.
And all four teams can get the job done. At the moment, though, Houston.
That's not true.

Speaker 8 That's not true.

Speaker 1 Houston's doing it for us. Houston's doing it.
Hey, shout out to you. AFC South's going to Berlin.
Wait till you get your eyes on the Colts over there. Good and Todd.
That was announced this morning.

Speaker 1 Stay over there. They're taking a

Speaker 1 Berlin Colts. Anyways, Jake, let's get back.
This Houston definitely.

Speaker 8 Let's pop back. So anyway, thank you.
So at the beginning of the game,

Speaker 8 for me, it was awesome. I think everybody watching hated it because it was pure defense.

Speaker 8 But for me, seeing Benil Hunter, Will Anderson Jr., Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, seeing these guys tee off was great.

Speaker 8 Also slightly worrisome because didn't know if any points were going to be scored whatsoever in this game and it wasn't looking good. Then clearly the turning point of the game was the fumbled snap.

Speaker 8 CJ turns it into a long pass and then he scrambles on the next one, takes us down and that turned out to be the momentum changer. Clearly, almost like a light went on in his head.

Speaker 8 Like, oh, yeah, I am one of the best players in the world. I'm going to go over here and take over.

Speaker 8 But this Texas defense, I think we give a ton of credit to the edge rushers, and rightfully so. I think there's so many other guys that also contributed to the two corners, are lockdowns.

Speaker 8 I mean, you got Lasser and Stingley, who are absolute lockdowns. You got the backers who are playing good.
You have the guys inside, Danico Autry, Mario Edwards, some of these guys.

Speaker 8 Like, this defense is a legitimate Super Bowl-caliber defense. It's a matter of if we can put it all together and keep it all together.

Speaker 8 And obviously, we all understand the monumental task at hand going into Kansas City up against Patrick Mahomes and the three-time champs.

Speaker 8 But this defense is the real deal.

Speaker 1 Okay, so obviously, Stingley is all-everything DB team.

Speaker 1 So congrats to him. And just days after the all-everything DB team is revealed, he gets two picks.
That's nice. Thank you for doing that.

Speaker 1 Thank you for doing that for the all-everything.

Speaker 3 Derwin James had a pretty good game, too. I know it was on the shortening of the stick, but.

Speaker 1 I think he had a pick in a fumble recovery or something like that.

Speaker 3 They called his pick back. It was

Speaker 1 close.

Speaker 1 We'll say we'll give it to him. We'll give it to him.
So shout out to All Everything DB team for getting it right.

Speaker 1 Getting it right. No matter how much there was bitching and moaning from other teams in the middle of the segment, as we're debuting it, somebody was just

Speaker 1 wow. Yeah, yeah, we'll.
Shout out to All Everything Tissue Team, pal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got Stingley right. I wonder how that other corner did.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that guy for the Broncos, the Bills really went at him.

Speaker 1 How'd he do, bush?

Speaker 3 Hey, you know, everyone has their day art. Yeah.
Still might win a defensive player of the year.

Speaker 1 Gonzo had a great time day last week.

Speaker 1 I bet he did. He was getting

Speaker 1 table football. He played his ass off.

Speaker 1 Jake, his second part of his question for May Hush there was Tooney moving out the tackle.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. Tooney puts a left up.
Like, that's an awesome move for the team. And I saw a clip last night on the internet.
Maybe memorable football moments on X or something like that. I forget.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of really good accounts that are pulling up stuff out of the vault. Andy Reid and and Brett Favre at the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 Brett Favre, they start the clip, I think, after the situation happens. And Brett Favre looks at Andy Reed and goes, I love you, man.
And Andy Reid goes, I know you do. Yeah, I know you do.

Speaker 1 We'll see if you do after I get chewed out. And then Coach comes over and he goes, what the hell happened on the alignment or whatever?

Speaker 1 And Andy Reid cuts off Brett Favre and he goes, I called it in wrong. That's on me.
It's on Brett, yada, yada. It takes the blame, basically, for Brett Favre.
And Coach, who was the coach?

Speaker 1 Mike Holmgren. Mike Holmgren goes, it was first 15 play.
How do you get it wrong? It was first 15. How'd you get around? Andy Reid's like, that's on me.
That's on me. That's on me.

Speaker 1 But in that moment, obviously everybody knew Brett Farr got it wrong. But Andy Reid's like first reaction was like, he wasn't a proven coach yet.
He was still a young coach.

Speaker 1 He like, no, I'll take this for you because he knew it could affect Brett for the rest of the game. He also, I think, wanted to prove like to his team what type of guy he is.

Speaker 1 And I think Andy Reid as a coach, obviously we chit-chat about this dynasty the Chiefs are in the middle of. And we talk about Bill Belichick being the greatest all the time, which he certainly is.

Speaker 1 And he has had to shoot down reports that he's going back to the NFL basically every every single day since getting this North Carolina job.

Speaker 1 But in that one mic's up clip from whenever he was at the Packers, I think I learned everything I need to learn about Andy Reid. He relates to his players.
I think he loves his players.

Speaker 1 He's a super genius. And Joe Tooney moving out to tackle, I think is just a good indicator of the culture that they have there.
Tooney could potentially be Hall of Fame guard, right? 100%.

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame guard in this entire thing. Started saying, you know what? To hell with it.

Speaker 1 In the biggest year where we're trying to win our third Lombardi straight, contracts are always going to be talked about in football.

Speaker 1 For him to say, put me on an island, even though my body body type is not the right body type for this, even though my skill set is not the right skill set for this. That's why I've been in here.

Speaker 1 That's why I'm a Hall of Famer in here. For him to put his left up and go out there, I think that showcases the culture that they have over there at the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 What do you think about this particular team that the Chiefs are taking against, the Houston Texans? And what do you think about Tooney?

Speaker 1 And what do you think that says about potential, you know, three in a row for them?

Speaker 8 I think you've encapsulated it perfectly. And I do think that that clip shows exactly why people love playing for Andy Reid, why he does such a great job with his teams.

Speaker 8 I've been saying it most of this season: in that Patrick Mahomes has been spreading the ball around, sometimes shorter throws, just matriculating the ball down the field because they aren't making some of those big explosive plays like they used to in the past, but they're doing what they have to do to win.

Speaker 8 Whoever is open gets the ball. However, short the pass is, everybody is doing just what they have to do to win games.

Speaker 8 They haven't been winning games by these huge margins all year long, but it doesn't matter. All you need to do is win the game.

Speaker 8 We talked about Travis Kelsey last year with the 16 yards short of 1,000 yards to keep the streak going, but do whatever is best for the team.

Speaker 8 Every single guy on that Chiefs team knows it doesn't matter about me. It doesn't matter about my individual stats.
This is about winning Super Bowls.

Speaker 8 And Andy Reid has done that better than anybody, getting these guys to buy in, knowing that just trust me, I will put you in the best position and we will win games. We will win Super Bowls.

Speaker 8 Just buy into what we're doing here. And clearly, it's something that's worked extremely well.
And clearly everybody's bought in.

Speaker 8 And I mean, that's how you win three Super Bowls and you're going for four.

Speaker 1 And having that guy isn't a bad reason either. Patrick Mahomes, to your point about just willing to sacrifice a lot of stats and everything like that to just win games.

Speaker 1 Because Patrick Mahomes at this stage of his career, with everything he's accomplished, could be a D.Va. Could be a Prima Donna.

Speaker 1 He could want to get rid of an offense that doesn't have him throw it 35, 40 times a game so he can run those numbers up.

Speaker 1 Instead, just like last year, he wasn't scared at all to hand that thing off 25, 30 times a game. I'm only going to have 17 to 22 pass attempts.
It's Patrick Mahomes that we're talking about.

Speaker 1 And, you know, people are comparing him to Tom Brady already. I think Tom Brady had that as well.
That's why whenever people say, you know, Bill used to coach Tom just like he coaches everybody else.

Speaker 1 He used to chew out Tom every single team meeting in front of the rest of the team so everybody else knew that that could happen. It's like, not everybody's just going to take that shit.

Speaker 1 Like, that's a talent that Tom Brady had. That's a trait that Tom Brady had that made him great.
There's a lot of guys that would be like, nah, this shit ain't happening. You can get me out of here.

Speaker 1 I'm not getting embarrassed in front of my team. It feels like Patrick Mahomes has that same.
And you know who else does on this graphic? It's CJ Stroud guy.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, this hasn't been the best year for CJ. I think he would admit that.
I think he would acknowledge that. A lot of injuries.
But then Nico Collins gets back on the field.

Speaker 1 And it's like CJ probably feels a reinvigoration of like hope and optimism. And those two are lethal.
Those two are an absolute problem.

Speaker 1 That's why whenever they bring in Stephon Diggs, they're like, wait a second. If we can kind of maybe make this a little bit easier for both parties, our offense should get opened up.

Speaker 1 They've had a lot of injuries. They've had a lot of situations.
CJ played great in wild card, just like he did last year in wild card. Biggest moments, he plays his best ball.

Speaker 1 I love this game, Chiefs and Texans. I love Ravens-Bills.
Let's head over to the NFC now. Deepunch has a question for you, James.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think that's game's going to come down to who can block, who can keep their quarterbacks upright. But speaking of...
defenses, this Eagles defense.

Speaker 3 Vic Fangio, he's come over and had his Eagles defense being one of the best, especially down the stretch. Had a good outing last week as well.

Speaker 3 I know they lost Nako Dean for the rest of the playoff run, but what's your thoughts on this Eagles defense facing Matt Stafford and his Rams offense?

Speaker 3 And did you see that little flick that Stafford did to avoid the second? What's your thoughts on that, too?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'll start with the Eagles defense, and then I'll get to that flick because I got thoughts on it.

Speaker 8 But the Eagles' defense, I feel like, is almost getting overshadowed by their offense because they're off, obviously Saquon and everything the offensive line has done and the way that they've been playing this year.

Speaker 8 The Eagles defense doesn't get enough credit. I mean they are a phenomenal unit.

Speaker 8 And I think obviously a Badger, Zach Bond, playing out of his mind, also playing special teams, dominating, all-pro, just the defense in general has been so fun to watch, so enjoyable, and they're a massive reason why they're here.

Speaker 8 And after watching the Rams the other night, of course, they're going to need to play extremely well because Stafford is playing as good as he's played, and he looks great. Now, let's get to the flip

Speaker 1 because I want to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Brilliant play.

Speaker 8 Brilliant play by Stafford. As the rules are written, it is a legitimate play.
He flipped the ball in the general direction, at least somewhere in the vicinity of Fuku Nakua.

Speaker 8 He knew that he had a guy somewhere in that area because he knows the plays. He knows where he's going to be.
So he just does that little flick. And yes, that is absolutely within the rules.

Speaker 8 That is absolutely not intentional grounding as it's called today.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 8 besides a spike, has there ever been a ball that was more intentionally headed for the ground than that ball?

Speaker 1 He tried. He's in no mood.

Speaker 1 He's trying to make a play? Yeah, he's filthy.

Speaker 8 I agree with you, but it's, I mean, think about you're doing everything that you possibly can as a pass rush. And you finally get back there.
You go to get a sack. You got him all wrapped up.

Speaker 8 You can't hit him in the head. Can't hit him in the knees.
Can't hit him low. Can't hit him high.
Got to hit him perfectly. Roll off of him when you hit the ground.

Speaker 8 And then all he has to do is that, and you don't get your sack, everything that you worked for.

Speaker 1 That's a heady play. Sorry about it.
Change the rule. Welcome to the NFL.
Welcome to the NFL.

Speaker 8 I don't know how you would change the rule. I don't know how you could possibly, like,

Speaker 9 make this a rule, but man,

Speaker 8 that sucks ass as a pass rusher.

Speaker 1 There's not always going to be somebody in the vicinity, and they're not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 But Matthew Stafford, knowing that, and I think they would say Karen Williams was in the vicinity, too, if Puka was not there, because Puka and Karen run into each other.

Speaker 1 So they're actually in a similar position there. But Matthew Stafford just being dialed in that much.
Incredible. Imagine if he completed that.

Speaker 1 Could you think?

Speaker 3 So Bill was on the Manicast when this happened. And, you know, Eli Payton, they both saw it.
They were like, like, fumble, fumble. Got to be a fumble.
And Bill's like, nope, incomplete. Incomplete.

Speaker 3 It's going to be an incomplete pass. And then once they called it incomplete, Bill was like, come on, it's an offensive league.
Like, you know, it's no rules are meant to help defenders.

Speaker 3 But this was crazy. And, like you said, genius for knowing the rules.
Because as soon as he got up, he was like, nah, that'll be picked up. It's a fixed pass.

Speaker 1 How about, like, also, the

Speaker 1 Bill said, was it Bill or Lombardi? Hmm, I forget who it was. They said they'll never say something's uncatchable in the NFL because of how athletic the wide receivers are.

Speaker 1 So, like, even if it's an overthrow by like 10 yards, you're very rarely going to hear an NFL ref say that was uncatchable because we've seen shit happen in the NFL where somebody somehow

Speaker 1 and then comes down and lands it. So the NFL has never said, I feel like in the same thing there.

Speaker 1 You don't think Matthew Stafford was trying to, you don't think the talent of not, you don't think the legend that is Matthew Stafford was trying to complete that? What if he does complete that?

Speaker 1 Exactly. You defensive players.
That was not ever going.

Speaker 8 That was never. It was going directly to the ground.

Speaker 1 Puka catches everything. Yeah, he was all disoriented.
Green's.

Speaker 1 Grenard Arve. Yeah, I didn't want to say Green Arve there.

Speaker 1 That would have been so disrespectful. I apologize.

Speaker 1 He's trying to DDT him. Yeah.
He was all discombobulated. Maybe he's trying to punch him in the back of the head.
There's a little, you know, there's a, he's not a dirty player, necessarily.

Speaker 1 But you get, he's a little dusty.

Speaker 1 He's a lion back there.

Speaker 1 So he's a little, he's a wall. He's a, he's a boxer woobling down to the ground.
That's a lethal shot.

Speaker 1 There you are. Man, he's boom.
He's trying to catch a pooper. He's trying.
Unbelievable. It was brilliant.
It was, it was brilliant, man. Source

Speaker 1 says have told us that

Speaker 1 there has been a player that has acknowledged the blame for that player going or that play going wrong. Okay.
Who is it?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it is

Speaker 1 the message was: please tell Big Oose to move on from this play.

Speaker 1 So I think we

Speaker 1 was Matthew Stafford. Yeah, no, no, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Eagles defense, great. Zach Bond, a lot of Badgers doing their thing.

Speaker 1 How about him making a problem?

Speaker 8 Linebacker you. Linebacker you.

Speaker 1 Are you guys going to get good at football again, or what do you think?

Speaker 1 We're trying. We're trying.

Speaker 8 We're trying. Are you?

Speaker 1 What, West Virginia or the Colts?

Speaker 1 Either. I'm going to let you know, West Virginia is going to be a a problem to go forward.
I hope so.

Speaker 8 I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it.
That's a place I'd like to see a game. I feel like that's a proper party.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, that's the thing, though.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you want to go. How old are you?

Speaker 8 I am 35. Geez.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm 37. I don't think we're built to go do the Morgantown good time thing.

Speaker 8 I don't think we are either.

Speaker 8 I don't think we are either.

Speaker 1 No, we did it. We did it very casual.
No,

Speaker 1 good time. In April or March.
Yeah, it was April. We did it.
Yeah, but that wasn't like a game. Like the game is the entire, everybody that is in the surrounding area is coming, and it is awesome.

Speaker 1 I would assume that it has to be ranked top five football environment whenever the team's good for everything that's going on because the entire state's there.

Speaker 1 Everything shuts down and the state likes to have a good time. So it's not like,

Speaker 1 you know, you got a parking lot over here that's kind of casual, you know, cooking everything. It's like, no, every parking lot is doing the same thing.
Going.

Speaker 1 And it's cheers, Beers, Mountaineers, brother. And we are having a good time here.
Definitely answer that. Let's go back one more time to the play that happened with the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is the wide receiver that was in the vicinity of said genius play by Matthew Stafford. Puka Nakua.

Speaker 1 Pookina. Ooh,

Speaker 1 no. Go ahead.
Go ahead.

Speaker 10 Big ooze.

Speaker 11 I'm out here trying to get some treatment.

Speaker 10 I'm laying down. I'm just watching.
I can't even hear, but I can only assume you're flaming me on that clip.

Speaker 1 No!

Speaker 1 No!

Speaker 1 We're talking about how genius Matthew Stafford was. If you want to walk through this play, though, Matthew Stafford makes a great play.
Why are you you saying it shouldn't be? Yeah, he does.

Speaker 9 I mean, he shouldn't be.

Speaker 6 If you see number seven, if you go back to the start,

Speaker 10 I'm supposed to.

Speaker 3 To the back view.

Speaker 10 I'm supposed to go to the back side to block, and I just knock every single one of our linemen off their block right here.

Speaker 1 So then

Speaker 11 Matthew's just got to toss that ball out to the side. And I'm like, oh my gosh, how did he even see me?

Speaker 10 Look at that. One guy, two guys, three guys all knocked off their block right there by Puka Dakura.

Speaker 1 All right, well, I appreciate you, you know, taking some accountability and saying that's on me 1,000%.

Speaker 1 But all the plays you made, brother, every once in a while there's going to be a little bit of a timing issue. If you weren't such a dog, you wouldn't be able to move three bodies like you do.

Speaker 1 You're a beast. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.
Let's not do it next year, though, Oos.

Speaker 10 Oh, exactly. That's why I'm like, this guy matches got eyes in the back of his head.
He's like, he's looking at all the guys who are in the routes. He's like, oh, there's a guy right in front of me.

Speaker 1 Hey, Ooz, you guys are on fire right now, brother. And you know what?

Speaker 10 And it feels good to be in L.A. right now.

Speaker 1 Okay. You got the heat

Speaker 10 in some good ways over here in the Rams facilities.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. So let's talk about that, the kind of streak you've been on over there at the Rams.

Speaker 1 Whenever trade deadline was coming around, there was almost like a thought of, are the Rams going to be buyers or sellers here?

Speaker 1 Like, are they going to kind of forfeit on the year almost and look ahead? Then you guys stick with it. Same team.
Everybody gets healthy. You're incredibly hot.
Why is that? You think? Is it health?

Speaker 1 What do you think it is with your team and your defense more specifically?

Speaker 10 Shoot, I think health 100%. I mean, you've seen all our young bulls going crazy on the Dean Line.
Now, just absolute, everybody just wreaking havoc.

Speaker 10 I think we got guys like Jerry Verse, Kobe Turner, and you walk in the facility, and they're just, I feel like they just walk in, they start barking.

Speaker 10 They just come in there, you got so much energy juice, and they're out here trying to run through everybody.

Speaker 1 Okay, and the offense, Matthew Stafford, just Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 8 No, I ain't training today, man.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about the business.

Speaker 8 Are you on the bike as we speak? Are you on the bike?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we're getting the core activated there, too. I like that.
Oops, what are we doing today?

Speaker 8 How are you guys handling this week?

Speaker 8 I'm curious because you had to fly back from arizona monday night and then you have to fly out i assume you're flying out saturday or are you guys a two-day early team oh i wish we were two days early because i mean i get a nice frilly cheesesteak before we had to stay in the hotel uh true awesome

Speaker 10 no we're we're flying out on saturday shoot we got it we had a day off yesterday getting to move around today see how matthew stafford's feeling see if we can sling it around we'll lift some weights today get in there hit a trap trap bar deadlift

Speaker 10 what's you throwing up uh mr watt what What's your red on the bar?

Speaker 8 I'm not doing any language. I'd like a little trap bar deadlift.
However, many weights fit on it, that's how many I put on there, bro.

Speaker 10 I don't think we have enough 45 for you over here.

Speaker 1 Man, I'm not supposed to change it what you're doing. Yeah, you do.

Speaker 8 Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald was in that building.

Speaker 1 You got enough for him, Barrett.

Speaker 10 They sent them all with him when he left.

Speaker 1 All right, ooze. Good luck.
We appreciate you, man.

Speaker 10 Thank you. You guys have a good one.
Peace out, big ooze.

Speaker 1 Hey, hey, appreciate you. Let's not fuck up any more plays.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, pooking a cool.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Man, they're just cooking me on this.
Yeah, I was wrong. Okay, get over it.
Let's move past this oos was the message he sent.

Speaker 1 And then he had no idea we're complimenting you, book. That's good vibes there.
That's two times now he's called in the show and they're like, are you working out? Yo. Pokemon big ooze.

Speaker 1 That vibe, man. Great dude, man.

Speaker 8 Seems like a great dude.

Speaker 1 He said they come into the building barking like the energy. I guess Sean McVay, I assume, is that way.
So then the teams kind of take on the identity of their... How about Sean McVay?

Speaker 1 Can we talk about that? When he got hired, 32? Is that how old he was? I think he was

Speaker 8 31 yeah it might have been and just immediately in the fire how you doing let's go ahead and run with it and he's just had success this entire time what are your thoughts on him and why do you think he's successful he's brilliant i think he has both characteristics that are required to be a great coach in this league he has the personality and the charisma to be able to handle all the different things that come with an nfl locker room motivating leading handling distractions handling egos all of that But then he has the second part, which is the brilliance.

Speaker 8 He has the coaching brilliance. He just sees the game in a different way.
He creates these plays. He creates these schemes.
He gets guys open.

Speaker 8 It's very tough to play against Sean McVay. It's very frustrating because he is thinking two steps ahead at all times.
So you have to try and keep up with that. And

Speaker 8 he's just really, really good at what he does. And his guys love playing for him.
And when you have that level of brilliance, it just makes everybody in the room immediately respect you.

Speaker 8 And it makes that motivation part even easier because you can step in front of an entire NFL team full of grown men and say, I've got the plan that's going to win us a game. Just trust me.

Speaker 8 And that's what they do.

Speaker 1 You can be a genius. You can be able to play call plays, but if you don't win, team will get sick of your shit.

Speaker 1 And they've won. That is, you're kind of seeing it done in Miami, right? We love McDaniel.
He's a genius. He's doing things his own way.
This is the next guy. You don't win, though.

Speaker 1 They immediately say, Corny, hate this guy. Get him out of here.
If you win, not only does the team buy in, but the entire community, the fan base buys in. I think Sean McVay is special, man.

Speaker 1 I think he's ready. And he can go make 30 million a year right now on TV.

Speaker 8 That was why I asked that question.

Speaker 8 That recovery part is a legitimate thing that I've been thinking about for this game coming up because you know, and obviously everybody here knows that played, but I don't think the outside world truly knows that you got a late Monday night game, and then they have to travel back home because they didn't get the real home game.

Speaker 8 So they travel back home, and then you got to recover on Tuesday. And now on Saturday, they have to fly out to Philly.

Speaker 8 So, like, that's a short week for a playoff preparation for A, getting your body back, B, for game planning and everything that comes along with it.

Speaker 8 I really don't think that's something that the public truly understands how big of a difference that makes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I, on your, to add to your point, too, it's playoffs. So, everybody's banged up.

Speaker 1 So, like, every game is just beating up more and faster, more more physical these games because it could be your last game. So you're just kind of limping through these playoffs, most guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and that's the thing with McVay's team. And most people wouldn't think that.
They're a physical team, like on both sides of the ball. Like they run the hell out of the ball.

Speaker 3 Puka, like what he does in the blocking game and like the screen game, he almost takes bumps like running backs do throughout the week.

Speaker 3 And then on the defensive side of the ball, what Chris Schuler's doing with that defense, those boys up front, like off the edges, like every time you saw Sam Doner pocket, that shit was condensed.

Speaker 1 That shit was getting squeezed, doing a bunch of different games in between so they're a physical physical uh ball club on both sides of the football yeah i concur okay and we're wrapping up here on this hour and we're getting a chance to chat with jage uh first ballot hall of famer when that time comes how many years you been fake teasing going back to play i guess is how i'll i'll call that this is my second year retiring so we got three more all right so we'll wait i'm not saying it for three more years though i'm about sick of saying that future first ballot hall of famer yeah don't they can we just

Speaker 1 say first ballot? Can't we just put him in? Like Coach Sabin. They just put him in college football all of fame.
Can't we just do that?

Speaker 1 They did it with the coaches.

Speaker 8 Is he going to be the commissioner or what?

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 8 Is he going to be the commissioner or what?

Speaker 8 I saw you saying he should be the commissioner, Sabin, of college football. No.

Speaker 1 He's the commissioner of college football. I've been trying to push that all year.
He's just not about it.

Speaker 8 He's just not working.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he tried to pawn it off on me, I think, because he and I have had Friday dinners where we chit-chat about business and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I think he doesn't think I'm a complete doofus, but I told him publicly, you push that off of me. It's like you might as well just say we're going to give this to a team.

Speaker 8 You got to get some car dealerships.

Speaker 8 You're going to get some car dealerships.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. That is not my world, but it certainly is.
And it is a good business. It is a good business for old Coach Saban.
That brain is a motivating one. It is a hardworking one.

Speaker 1 It is a brilliant one. But boy, it is a money-making machine, too.
That guy is a legend.

Speaker 8 Okay, we only have like a minute before a hard app, but we have to ask you, because you're a first ballot Hall of Famer and so important, go ahead, con man yeah jj how do you feel about the coaching openings that are still available obviously cowboys has kind of turned into a shit show vrabel's up in new england what do you think about all the situations going on one minute one minute got it i think vrabel made perfect sense up in new england i mean i think there's no no-brainer there tough physical patriot way all that stuff i think he fits great there cowboys i have zero idea what in the world that is blocking interviews from mccarthy last week and then letting him go this week getting yourselves where you can't interview ben Johnson and those guys, like just zero idea what's happening down there.

Speaker 1 He said it's a solo mission by Jerry. That's the latest report.
I think Jane Slater said Jerry Jones is taking this on himself. Great.
Listen, if it's good hire, it's on me.

Speaker 1 If it's a bad hire, it's on me. You guys don't have to deal with what I'm doing.
And I'm very proud of what we did in oil and gas and

Speaker 1 most proud about getting to do this with my sons. And you don't want to be sitting there, I'm sorry, laying there in the future wishing you could see a couple more sons come up.

Speaker 1 Take advantage of this time now. You too.
You're not a spry chicken over there.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Jerry. He walked on out.
All right, Jench. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

Speaker 8 Thanks, guys. Appreciate y'all.
Have a great day. And

Speaker 8 see you next time.

Speaker 8 All right.

Speaker 1 We thank you, Judge. Nope.

Speaker 8 There's no countdown clock. I was waiting for the countdown clock so I knew how much time I had.
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Speaker 1 Football! It's wonderful. We're so incredibly lucky that we get to talk about it.
And we can't thank you enough for joining us on this fine, cold-ass afternoon here in Indianapolis, Indiana.

Speaker 1 The Toxic Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Boyce,

Speaker 1 it was

Speaker 1 the second episode of a new sport on last night. Sure.

Speaker 1 TGL.

Speaker 1 Some people I saw are saying after watching it, does the G stand for goofball? Yeah. Is it the goofball league? Yeah, sure.
Okay, those people have Canadian accents and used to paint chips.

Speaker 1 Okay, that is what some people are saying from that particular demographic, I think. Did you get a chance to watch? And what are your thoughts on TGO? I think in theory,

Speaker 1 should be amazing. I agree.
I don't know if it's as...

Speaker 1 The execution. Holding.
I don't know if it holds people enough. And I'm only saying that strictly because my wife has to watch a lot of sports, you know.

Speaker 1 And I say have to because she's not a fan of all sports. Sure.
But I enjoy sports. I enjoy competition.
I enjoy watching people do their thing. I enjoy watching people sing.
I like watching people.

Speaker 1 I like watching people prepare and then execute. I like watching how humans go ahead and do that.
This one, like, I think she was really pumped early to watch it. You know, tigers out there.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Simulator. We got noise.
We got sound. We got an arena.
We got the entire thing. You know, Homa even, absolutely awesome.
Obviously better.

Speaker 1 Should have maybe been on week one, but that's neither here nor there. We're not scheduling the entire thing.
But I think after about four minutes, five minutes of it, she was completely out.

Speaker 1 She was just like, I don't even know what the hell's going on here. And I said, you just got to wait.

Speaker 1 And then there was a couple moments, you know, because I can watch great people at their thing do their thing. So like Tiger stepping up and say, I'm going to watch that.
I'm going to watch that.

Speaker 1 I'd watch it if it was a clip on my phone, you know, that I scroll through.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I want to watch the entirety. I think they're still trying to figure it out, but I think in theory and concept, it is good.
How do you feel about TG? I agree.

Speaker 2 I've watched it both weeks so far. Last week, I didn't appreciate that it was on 10 Eastern.
I was just like, you know, what are we doing? We're trying to launch this thing.

Speaker 2 Why the hell is it on so late? Obviously, there's college basketball and all that kind of stuff on ESPN. So I did appreciate that it was on at 7 yesterday with Tiger and everything.

Speaker 2 I think it's more palatable. You're going to get more people to watch, but I agree.
It's like, it just,

Speaker 2 they, the whole like allure of it is like, hey, we're having all these guys mic'd up. You know, like, that's the big thing.

Speaker 2 It's like, hey, you're going to hear these golfers and you're going to get to see these guys like you never. But we've, we've seen this in different forms with the match and all this other stuff.

Speaker 5 These guys don't talk.

Speaker 1 They just don't.

Speaker 2 They're just not used to like talking a bunch of shit to each other. That's just not who they are.
That's not who golfers are. So like they are mic'd up, but we're not getting that kind of content.

Speaker 1 Like there are a couple of I think they're nice bows. I agree.

Speaker 1 I think the golfers are a nice

Speaker 1 boy. Sweet.
That is nine-year NFL vet Darius J. Burton.
Both

Speaker 1 Massive golf fan. Actual Butler Birdies is an account you can follow along with he and his family as they are going to

Speaker 1 dominate golf inevitably.

Speaker 1 I think I watch it just because it's golf. Yeah.
And I think I'm watching last night because Tiger Woods is golfing even more so. I had to.
But like the show, what they do on

Speaker 1 Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think the entertainment part of it.

Speaker 1 Just like Lyft. Just like Lyft.
I agree. The presentation was just, in theory, this is all a good idea.
Presentation, it's like, come on.

Speaker 2 Because because you're right some of the clips like there was uh there was a part last night where justin rose had like a 10-foot putt to win a hole and they took a timeout to ice him awesome yeah and he came back and sank the putt and looked right at him and pointed and it was like stuff like that like was sweet and like the crowd was booing him and making noise and stuff like that like that stuff is awesome but there is it it shouldn't it should be an hour or 30 minutes it's just it's too long there's too much and i think that's the whole thing too is like hey it's quick there's the there's the shot clock and everything everything but it's just it feels so drawn out and then again we haven't had a close competitive one yet yeah that was founder of reddit right there yeah serena's husband who owns a part of la golf clubs correct team in there tgl i think they have it somewhere in there like i i think they have it i think it's a beautiful concept i think it's a great idea i think they got the right people in there you still like the the tech and the and the sentiment as far as the sim and how it looks like especially with like the drives i think it's all in there uh-huh i don't know if we need to be zooming in on a golf simulator ball flying, you know, with an empty, fake tech crowd behind the green when you have an entire arena.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't, because you go to a golf, this golf sim never works. That's maybe the most impressive thing.
Without doubt. Is that they've been able to operate with the sim working the entire time.

Speaker 1 But, like, this is a sick shot, I think. I think this is awesome.
I think this is the selling point right here. Tiger Woods with tech.

Speaker 1 Whenever they go full screen on the, like this, I think it's tough for me to like really pay attention. I like the beach.

Speaker 1 Whenever they have like a crowd fake thing in the back, I'm like, all right, I'm in a video game now. Tiger Woods is like, I think every, I think they got it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like I think they have a chance to make this thing awesome. And I'm hoping they're doing it.
I hope they do.

Speaker 3 Me too. I think the show around it can definitely be better than it's so early on.

Speaker 1 But as, you know, golfers and me just getting into golf the last couple years, the more you see the golfers' personality, like talking shit, you know, whatever this on the green, you know, talking shit a shot, throwing the hammer, the hammer gimmick which i don't i don't know where they got that from the hammer gimmick love the hammer the timeouts like you mentioned ice so i like the different elements like you said it's in there somewhere it's only the second you know second episode and like a close game what would be great they lose 12 to 12 to 10 i thought they got three points at one point because they said it because they were trying to lay it and then i look at score it didn't change so then i thought they had a delayed scorer i'm like can't have that can't have a mickey mouse score operation happening and then i never saw the point change and i'm like okay so they didn't get points i thought they just got three points it's cool it's in there so i saw that so that was uh that was the hammer 12 year nfl vet also golf aficionado built like a buddha swings like john daly ladies and gentlemen thank you shipley well that was the hammer and then they threw the hammer back so it goes from two points double hammer double hammer goes from two points to three points but then they tied the hole Because they tied the whole no points exchange.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's some money. It is stinking.

Speaker 1 It's absolutely stinks. There's the guy that said the thing that I said.

Speaker 9 It does. I mean, we don't got to beat around the bush here.
We all know it stinks right now. Can it get better? Yes, it probably will.
But right now, it's not very good.

Speaker 1 But we will watch it.

Speaker 9 We will watch it. I watched it last night.

Speaker 4 As a golf guy, I don't mind watching it. I enjoy watching it, but the golfers are too boring to carry the conversation.
And then you leave Matt Berry on an island by himself the whole time.

Speaker 4 Matt Berry needs a partner in this thing to kind of carry it.

Speaker 1 Marty's there. Yeah, Marty's.

Speaker 4 And it should be Marty. I don't know why we don't have more Marty.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Matt Berry needs some help. I think we need more Marty.
Golfers are too boring.

Speaker 2 They need an instigator.

Speaker 1 They need someone. They need a regular human on all these teams.
That's what I said.

Speaker 9 Shooter McGavin.

Speaker 1 Someone who will actually get under these guys' skin a little bit. Maybe Shooter McGavin, but they need a regular human on every team.
And that person has to at least has to be a part of it.

Speaker 1 Now, can you earn your way into it potentially?

Speaker 1 And you can get a ringer, maybe. You can get a ringer, maybe.
Maybe that'll happen. But I think there should be, no, I think it should have to have a handicap.
I think it should have to be 10.

Speaker 1 I think handicap should have to be 10. And I think that that should be a part of this entire thing.
Now we're playing the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they need someone with a mic on the green.

Speaker 4 And when someone has a huge putt for Birdie or whatever it is for the win, that person should be interviewing the players and even the person doing the putt.

Speaker 4 Like they need a little more interactivity.

Speaker 1 Kelly James music. They need Kelly James music.
Get him out there. He already knows every one of these golfers.
Exactly. Are you also thinking like a psych out like baseball?

Speaker 1 No, so what I'm thinking, maybe, and they could put that on the backboard too. Imagine lining up, looking at that thing, and then all of a sudden,

Speaker 1 pops up and you're figuring, whoa,

Speaker 1 whoa, like an RPG coming at you or something. Yeah, exactly.
Whoa! Yeah, could be any of those things. Whoa, we, yeah, that would be awesome.

Speaker 1 And people are going to think we're making them operate even though. And we're not.
Spitballing. The thought of a regular human being on one of each team.
Smart. Be amazing.
Just thought of it.

Speaker 1 Just in real time here. Because you said instigator.
We would assume that person would be a standard golfer whenever you go out and golf. Oh, yeah.
Or that person's scared to death. Exactly.

Speaker 1 One of the two.

Speaker 1 Then we all get to see it. It's just like the field goal kicking thing on Saturdays.
You know, these people all want to do it. They're sign up.
They're getting the ticket. They get called for it.

Speaker 1 And then we're watching these people in real time have to battle. And every once in a while, there's a Henry Silver down in Georgia who steps up to the plate and buries a kick.

Speaker 1 And then there's more often than not, somebody, you see their entire body shrivel up.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 I can't do this. Imagine that on TGL.
Tiger Woods standing like this on the other side of the T-box, whatever it matters to. Think about what Tiger would do to a regular human if it was 10-10.

Speaker 1 What's a regular score for this fucking thing? 12-0.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but what?

Speaker 1 What could be the score? Like 10-10, 5-5, whatever it is?

Speaker 4 I want to say 7's the match. 7-7.

Speaker 1 7-7. So let's say it's 7-7-18th, and this regular ass motherfucker's going for it, and Tiger is just sitting right over his shoulder.
That's a moment all of a sudden. And then what if you...

Speaker 1 What if you hit one pure there? Just like D-Butt did at the L.A. Chargers facility,

Speaker 1 which was at a lot of pressure, a lot of eyes. You're You're representing all of us.
Hit the ball very, very well.

Speaker 3 Don't embarrass the program.

Speaker 1 Joining us now, only rule.

Speaker 1 It encompasses a lot of things. Don't embarrass the program.
Joining us now is a man who's never done that. Ever.

Speaker 1 Never would. Nope.
Couldn't, actually.

Speaker 1 Had a great haircut yesterday.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it still looks as shop, but we're excited to see. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup winner from the.

Speaker 1 Ohio State University. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hawk.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 AJ, you heard the brainstorm there about TGL. You heard that.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on all of what we said? And then do you have any additives to maybe make this thing as awesome as we think it can be?

Speaker 1 Because much like Bruce Brown and I were talking about earlier, it was on. So I watched it.
And if we're going to watch it, let's make it great. And I think they can.

Speaker 1 I think it's a brilliant concept, AJ.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think there's something there. I don't have all the solutions.
I don't ever claim to be that guy, but I think there is something there. You're right.
They're on to something.

Speaker 11 I feel like maybe even, I mean, you don't want to make a mockery of the whole situation. I joked about the whole spin around on a bat thing and then make them hit while they're all dizzy.

Speaker 11 Maybe like random stuff like that every once in a while, but that might be too Mickey Mouse or people will hate. But what about just getting different groups of people to play each other?

Speaker 11 It doesn't have to be golfers. What if you had, you know, like football players, four buddies on one team play four buddies on the other team, like rivals.

Speaker 1 NBA NFL.

Speaker 11 What if you had NFL coaches that play, that maybe hate each other secretly or rumored behind the scenes they play each other? Because we'd see some of those guys, you know, like all of us can do.

Speaker 11 Oh, here we go. I just sliced one and just dong some poor old lady in the head in the front row.
Like they're going to have to protect themselves as well and maybe put some nets up.

Speaker 1 And we saw Kisner blade one that could have won in the crowd. I don't know if they were ready for that.
It hits the

Speaker 11 Tiger loved it.

Speaker 1 That's a huge deal that that hit that because there's humans back here. Oh, yeah.
You know, and that's, I don't think they got a net up like it's baseball because they never expect that to happen.

Speaker 1 So it hitting off the flag is a huge

Speaker 1 smoke. I think that was very, very see, that's what everybody should have to do, though, because Kisner had like four team beers right before he went out there.

Speaker 1 So like if they have one guy on each team have to do that, then all of a sudden we got a game. That is potential marketing off that I don't know how the Hulkster hasn't seen yet.
No kidding.

Speaker 1 Real American beer hole. His backyard too.
Got to chug 20 of them, brother. Yeah.
Can't hit yet. Got to keep going.
You got to chug as much as the Hulkster chugs real American beer. Then you can go.

Speaker 1 So I think they're going to figure it out. Didn't even think about the non-professional golfers in the TGO arena over there.

Speaker 11 But Marty should be there.

Speaker 1 Sorry, before you go on, marty should be there as an instigator or just a guy just lobbing questions at them as they're transitioning from shot to shot whatever they're doing like i think they need something like that yeah what are you thinking about here tig you know hey what what do you got going through your mind right now well i'm trying to think if it's a right to he powered one through early a putt yeah and i don't know what he thought he saw didn't he make that place Didn't he create?

Speaker 1 He created that green. He did.
I don't know what he, that was a terrible read.

Speaker 1 I didn't go left. Yeah, and then it went like six feet past.
I was like,

Speaker 1 tied the hole, I guess. Yep, that's good.
Yep, good, good, I guess. Because if I'm golfing there, obviously every human on earth is going to make that.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to make that six-foot put. Oh, yeah.
That Tiger Woods just powered through the entirety of it all. I think they're going to figure it out.
Let's go to Hammer. Don.
Don.

Speaker 1 AJ, I don't know if you know this. Pittsburgh Steelers are in complete disarray.
Everybody hates everybody. Let's go to Tone Diggs.

Speaker 1 Tone, have you gotten any updates on any things we chatted about in the first hour about your beloved Pittsburgh Steelers?

Speaker 5 No, unfortunately, there's been no updates yet as far as the mass changes that are expected to to happen. We are still status quo.

Speaker 5 So, no news to break at this moment.

Speaker 1 Okay, I would like a little bit of an update if you can have it.

Speaker 1 We're from the town with the great football team.

Speaker 1 Go on and get them. Steelers.
You like that song?

Speaker 3 I mean, just banger after banger, huh?

Speaker 1 See, that one stinks, but the here we go, Steelers is a great one. The polka does not stink.
The polka does, but the other one is first class. Well, they're hoping that they can sing that and actually

Speaker 1 win Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Again, that's what they're saying. Here we go again.

Speaker 1 Stayers.

Speaker 1 Here we go again.

Speaker 3 Pittsburgh.

Speaker 11 Pittsburgh's gonna try to win a suit.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl. Here we go again.

Speaker 1 Stayers.

Speaker 1 Here we go. That's kind of the song.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's go to hammer. Dodd.
Did we figure out the new song for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Is that how you guys feel?

Speaker 5 No, I don't think that's how it should go. I don't think anyone in Pittsburgh would enjoy that song.

Speaker 1 Ain't that kind of how you guys feel, though? Here we go again. Steelers, here we go.
That's kind of how everybody feels, right? Again. I mean, I sure, but we're not changing the song.

Speaker 1 Well, it sounds like you guys aren't hearing the old song anymore. What you're hearing is, here we go again.

Speaker 1 Steelers,

Speaker 1 here we go. It's actually kind of catchy.
Was the beat made for that? For the Hicks.

Speaker 5 Are the Packers or the Chargers or the Bucs, any of those teams changing their songs this offseason?

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, let's not start pointing fingers. My.
Okay, the Colts haven't won the AFC South in 10 years. We don't need to start talking about everybody else's lawn.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's just talk about your front yard, pal, which is obviously going to be kept very clean. And I think Tallman does have the answers.
I think Steelers are going to figure it out.

Speaker 1 Got a lot of question marks, but that's a good thing. You can have a nice refresh in a reset, maybe, even though you keep.
the same person as the head coach. AQ Shipley was calling for him earlier.

Speaker 1 Did you hear that, Age? Did you hear what AQ was saying earlier?

Speaker 11 Yeah, a little bit, but I want to ask AQ quickly, if someone said you had a good working relationship,

Speaker 11 is that a positive AQ or is that a negative, you think?

Speaker 1 A good working relationship is positive. I think so, too.

Speaker 11 But does that mean you have a very poor personal relationship if it's a coach?

Speaker 1 Does it matter? Does it matter?

Speaker 3 I think you're right.

Speaker 11 I guess you could say they have a good... professional working relationship, but there's got to be mutual respect for it to be decent, to be a good partnership.

Speaker 1 And I think if you do have a, and I asked, does it matter? And as you were chatting there and you talked about mutual respect, I was like, I think it does matter.

Speaker 1 I think you do have to like each other. If you like each other, you're going to be much better.
Now, I don't know where this is coming from.

Speaker 1 Mark Boli put this out, said substantiated rumors, and allegedly this source from the building says this about Russ and Artie Smith. And we know Artie and we think we know.
Russell.

Speaker 1 We could see how potentially there would be a differing of how people operate in their day-to-day operations. But maybe this was a little bit bigger story than anybody was giving credit to.

Speaker 1 Maybe next year there'll be full harmony. Maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers going to the Super Bowl.
There they go. Joining us now is a man who might be coaching.
Maybe. The Steelers?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Him and Russell and see eye to eye. Ladies and gentlemen, the man who has put ESPN

Speaker 1 daily television on his back for the better part of what, the last three years? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Always on your television. Crazy.
Non-stop. I'm on TV a lot.

Speaker 1 Too much.

Speaker 1 I'm about the only. That's why I wore cam flush so people couldn't see.
Sure. You know, kind of hide out here.

Speaker 1 This guy was on TV all day, every day for the better part of the last three football seasons. And we appreciate him for that.
Because he just started out as an ex-highlight reel breakdown guy.

Speaker 1 Now he's this. Daniel Lofsky.

Speaker 1 Breaking that film right there. Breaking that film right there.
He was doing an email. He's doing his business while we were introducing him.

Speaker 1 Thank you for joining us and taking time away from whatever's just happening on that laptop, brother. Typing up an email, huh? Give an idea.

Speaker 6 I am, I I am. Yeah, stuff for today's show.
I was responding to something for a graphic that I kind of wanted to have built.

Speaker 1 Oh, we thought it was potentially to an NFL team. Ty has a question for you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Dano, there was, I believe it was the Acme Packers account kind of repurposed something you may have said that said, hey, listen, I would love to be the Packers quarterback coach because Tom Clements is stepping down.

Speaker 2 He's retiring. Is there any truth to that? Are you going to be coaching Jordan Love next year?

Speaker 1 And how'd that come about?

Speaker 6 I think it came about because someone someone sent something on social media about that or something in regards to, I believe, Clements retiring.

Speaker 6 Is there any truth to it? Like, I have had conversations with places. I feel like this happens almost every year.
I'm very flattered by it

Speaker 6 about, you know, stuff in the coaching world.

Speaker 6 I've had those again this year. It's something that, you know, I say this all the time.
This is just me being very honest about everything. Like, I love being at ESPN.
I love doing TV. I do.

Speaker 6 I really do.

Speaker 6 You guys, I'm sure, experienced this as well. Like, there is a,

Speaker 6 you know, when you grow up in the locker room and you grow up in that environment where you do it together and it's always a part of a team, which was something I craved as much as anything, you know, when you don't have that, you miss being a part of that group.

Speaker 6 And so,

Speaker 6 you know, there's always a desire. There still is a desire to kind of continue to be, have that be a part of like my, the fabric of my life type of thing and every day.

Speaker 6 And so there is the desire and the craving to have that and also coach i have so many friends that coach i mean i just saw josh mccown on monday night leaving the stadium to the airport and i saw him and it was just a quick embrace and how you doing and he's like dude i love it i saw tj yates who's a buddy of mine who took my job in houston when we were with atlanta a couple weeks ago and you know he's the quarterback coach down there and i said how do you how do you like you said dude i love it so i have a lot of friends who are in that world that are really smart football people and they love it you know.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 if it's the right place, right time, right people, it seems to be a really, really fun experience.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
Well, we're incredibly proud of you

Speaker 1 for coming to that point and decision. And obviously, I think you were trying to shy away from that before because you didn't want to potentially deter any TV opportunities.

Speaker 1 I think in the past, yeah, that it felt that way. Now, it's like you're getting to the point where you're like, you know, every year I'm getting asked, and every year I'm doing more research.

Speaker 1 And it does sound like something that's special. And you talked about the locker room environment and being a part of something is special.
That's normally what people say whenever they retire.

Speaker 1 What they miss the most is also not only being a part of something, but having a goal, having a mission, having a purpose.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say a purpose because everybody has a purpose, but whenever you're on a football team, it's like, hey, this is the objective. We are trying to win this weekend.

Speaker 1 We are trying to win this season. We are trying to win this day.
That structure, too, people miss. And you think you'd be able to get right back into that whole world? I think so.
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 6 I'm pretty structured now. I'm wired that way.
I kind of have a routine-based personality. I think there's two things part of it, too.

Speaker 6 Like, I go back to the moment when Kevin O'Connell, after that Vikings win over Green Bay a couple of weeks ago, and he was just in the locker room watching the team embrace Sam McDonald.

Speaker 6 Imagine that feeling, you know, like as a coach, picking that player and bringing him to a place. That's got to be such like a fulfilling experience.

Speaker 6 And also, you know, I remember having a conversation with J.J. Reddick this past week, this past offseason, when he was in conversations with coaching and whatnot.

Speaker 6 And one of the the things that stood out to me that he said was he has a son and he really wants his son to kind of experience growing up in that environment as well. I got three.
So

Speaker 6 yeah, there's a lot of appeal to it. There is.
I do think, you know, I have a ton of respect for those coaches and the grind that they go through.

Speaker 6 And, you know, they obviously have done it for a long time.

Speaker 6 But I think anything in life, as long as you're passionate about it and you try to outwork every human being that is on the planet at it, you'll be better than them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that is a key to success. And some people forget the work ethic part of things.
They think they just fall to the top of the mountain. That is not the case.

Speaker 1 And if you're willing to put those hours, I mean, A.Q.

Speaker 1 was a coach for a little bit. He wasn't a quarterback coach.
He was an

Speaker 1 assistant offensive line coach. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 obviously, the hours, you got three kids. So you understand that.
And you've had to watch film and four kids, sorry, three boys. Beautiful baby girl who's tough as nails.

Speaker 1 She is absolutely absolute problem. Yeah, yeah.
She's awesome. She's

Speaker 1 much cooler than her dad. That is

Speaker 1 like an easy thing.

Speaker 1 But But coaching is that is not that is a very task time-tasking job, which I think is why like AJ and I are like, we're not supposed to be coaches because there's a lot of desk watching, right?

Speaker 1 Isn't that kind of how it goes? Well, that's just the from the beginning of time, that's what they did.

Speaker 1 I mean, back in the day, the reason it's called cutups is they literally had to cut up film, and it took that much time. Technology has made things a lot easier.

Speaker 1 So you can get the same work done without the same amount of hours, but we're still living in the old world of have to be be there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and not only do you just have to be there, you have to fix things whenever technology kind of takes a dump all over itself. That's right.
So this is Super Bowl champion. Look at that.

Speaker 1 Look at that.

Speaker 1 This is Super Bowl champion,

Speaker 1 12-year NFL vet. I fixed this shit out of that coffee machine.
Let me tell you. Yeah,

Speaker 6 that coffee machine had no chance against you. No chance.

Speaker 1 That mask had no chance against my nose either as it was down over my neck or face.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but to be clear, I think whenever AQ was done with that, he was incredibly pumped that he helped the team, which is

Speaker 1 something that you get to experience whenever you join a team or you become a coach about. You like contribute to something bigger than yourself and you actually get to reap the benefits from it all.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to kind of watch. Go ahead, AJ.

Speaker 11 Dana, we're seeing,

Speaker 11 it seems like more teams this year after the season, they're talking about like accountability and finding players for being late.

Speaker 11 It sounds like star players on multiple teams might be, you know, showing up late or not doing what they're supposed to do at times. Is this something like when you talk to coaches around a league?

Speaker 11 Is this a league-wide problem? Is this something that you feel like is easy to correct for teams that may have this issue or do you have to clean house and figure things out

Speaker 6 yeah i don't think it's an easy correct i mean i i think that one of the things that has constantly been a part of the nfl and one of the reasons why there was such an admiration for what bill belichick and the patriots did was You know, most of the people that are players on your team make more money than most of your coaches.

Speaker 6 And there's a handful, if not more, guys on your team that make more money than the head coach.

Speaker 6 And so, you know, a lot of times, I'm sure we have all experienced it where head coach says something guys like i make double the amount of money triple the amount of money you make so there's nothing for us to talk about here um i don't i haven't had really experience with coaches referencing that that was has been an issue and whatnot um you know in our conversations and in the i mean we had hardball so hardball is the most

Speaker 6 kind of positive person I've ever been around. I do think it's an issue.
I do think it stems back to

Speaker 6 kind of where the era that we're in now with youth sports and entitlement. There's a ton of entitlement in youth sports.
And I think that goes all the way up to high school.

Speaker 6 And there's a ton of entitlement in high school sports. And then it obviously goes into the college world.
And the NIL has been very positive.

Speaker 6 There's also created some, you know, butterfly effect that hasn't maybe had a positive impact. And entitlement is certainly a part of that.

Speaker 6 And so I think that there's just an era of athlete going into the NFL that's a little bit different than the ones of the past. It doesn't make it, I guess, bad.

Speaker 6 I don't want want to, but it's different, you know, and it's, it's another thing that those coaches kind of have to handle.

Speaker 1 You would have to handle.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You get the right people, though.

Speaker 1 Right people.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying just into your quarterback room.

Speaker 1 We're going to figure out who doesn't have this issue before having to deal with the issue. That's what you're saying?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that when at any level you're trying to get people into your building or whatnot, high school, like you got to make sure, especially nowadays, that those people are wired the right way, made of the right stuff, think about it the right way.

Speaker 6 Like, that's that's one thing. I think that's why general managers are becoming so popular in college football as well, too.
It's like, you got to handle a lot more.

Speaker 6 Uh, and that's one way to deflect it as the coach is, I don't want to deal with that. You hire it.
You, you hire some to deal with it.

Speaker 1 No turds,

Speaker 1 they're gonna sneak through that. They're gonna be like those Houdini dumps that are down there in the bottom.
You can't see them. That's right.

Speaker 1 And then every once in a while, they're gonna fester, and you're gonna need

Speaker 1 boom

Speaker 1 dove men whole body Dio. Because even after a little bit of boom,

Speaker 1 dingle bell dude wipes, you're going to make sure that stanky ass doesn't smell. You know, and that's that's those who deal with it.

Speaker 6 Not a problem. I got so many dude wipes still at my house.
It's great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's because you farted on air all the time.

Speaker 1 That became like the trend. I don't know if that's going to be your quarterback room.
Hey, guys, welcome to.

Speaker 1 Today, I don't know if that's going to be like your gimmick. Dude,

Speaker 6 we were in Baltimore for week 18. We did the Browns Ravens game, and we went down on the field.

Speaker 6 So me, Fowler, and Lewis went down on the field right before kickoff, essentially, just to wander says hi to some people.

Speaker 6 And as I'm walking just off the sideline to go back up to the booth, some dude yells from the stands, dude, was it a fart? Yes or no?

Speaker 8 That's awesome.

Speaker 6 I looked at him. I hit him with like a shrug.

Speaker 1 And the whole group was like,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah, I got jacked up. Shout out to the boys over there in Baltimore.
Obviously, they've seen the clip. Watch you just fart right live on air.

Speaker 1 There's actually a sign outside that's still outside the gate. Oh yeah.
And it was

Speaker 6 still there? Yep.

Speaker 1 And it's actually on the Google images now. I think if you were to look, it is actually a part of the building.

Speaker 1 So a lot of people are wondering about your

Speaker 1 flatch. Flatch.

Speaker 1 There it is. Why don't you hold him in? Keep him in there.
You know, and good luck with whatever you do. I'm excited to watch how you handle all of those things.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the future of the NFL. Obviously, a rookie superstar, potentially.
Potentially. D-Butch has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're talking about coaching in the quarterback rooms. The number one pick this year, Caleb Williams.
Obviously, we see what Cliff was able to do with Jaden still playing.

Speaker 3 Sean Payton was able to do it. Bo Nick's.
I believe I saw a tweet. I don't know if it was AI or not, but you was tweeting saying I could make Caleb or I would make Caleb a superstar.

Speaker 3 I just want to know if you were to get into that room with him, how would you coach him, you know, to see that growth and see him take the next step on this level?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think that a lot of people could do that because he's super talented. I think the number one thing you have to get him to do is play in structure and realize the

Speaker 6 benefit of that. It's not just, hey, you got to learn how to play in structure and play on time and play into the rhythm of the offense and have that be a focus point.

Speaker 6 You got to get him to understand the why behind that. Hey, why is playing in structure such a big deal? And also making sure that you don't try to take away the special talent that he has.

Speaker 6 I think that's the biggest challenge is the last thing you want to do is steal his magic.

Speaker 6 And last thing you want to do is take away the reason why you drafted him number one because he has uncoachable traits.

Speaker 6 But the uncoachable traits don't matter, nor do they ever get to show up unless you are consistently as a quarterback within timing, within rhythm, because there's four or five plays a game as a coach where the defense wins the rep.

Speaker 6 You know, the defense has the perfect play call and they play it perfectly, all 11 guys on defense.

Speaker 6 That's what makes Lamar, Lamar, and Patrick, Patrick, and Josh, Josh, is you can play it perfectly and it won't matter. They could defy the laws of physics.
They could break the rules of your defense.

Speaker 6 And Caleb has that talent, but it doesn't get to show itself unless you are willing to do

Speaker 6 what's needed in that play. I think that the number one starting point, the butt, is, okay, what play are we calling? And you got to get them to completely understand what play you're calling.

Speaker 6 What's the opportunity in that play? If we get this defense, how do we hurt it? And what's the problem of that play? If we get this defense or this pressure, what's our answer?

Speaker 6 We have to have an answer for everything. Okay.
The second thing is, what's the defense? You know, what does the defense mean to me? I think we lose sight of that so consistently.

Speaker 6 These teams, they call plays. And then the defense, you're going to the line of scrimmage and you don't know what you're getting.

Speaker 6 And so the defense is asking you a question of like, what are you going to do with this?

Speaker 6 this front or this pressure or this coverage you got to have the answer to that and that's what is playing in structure and that's what's playing on rhythm That's what allows guys to play fast.

Speaker 6 And then you always, you know, I remember Gary Kubiak constantly having us as quarterbacks, we would study the game plan.

Speaker 6 Every single play would have to know, and we would have to know exactly what was the number one defense that was a problem for every play. If you got to line of scrimmage, you got this defense,

Speaker 6 or what would be the defense that's the problem at the line of scrimmage? If we got. cover four and they match everything on the inside.
Well, then what's the answer? Where does the ball go?

Speaker 6 And so I think that that's the starting point for caleb and his development um i also think this though for a guy he's he's in interesting in this regard deep but he makes some throws that are unbelievable yeah like the accuracy is remarkable and then there's throws where you go why'd you miss that one by five feet and so i do think there's just the the constant improvement of and mechanically he's not flawed he's pretty darn good mechanically the constant improvement of um the the visual element of things i think improves his accuracy in those moments.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Caleb Williams, potentially a superstar, going to have to learn a lot. I think the one game we were watching, I don't know who was calling it,

Speaker 1 basically he was breaking down. It was you, actually.
It was a clip that you posted on X. I think the way the defense showed, it was an obvious, he's supposed to throw left situation.

Speaker 1 Very easy to read. It was cover two.
We're doing this on this particular play. We're going left.

Speaker 1 Instead, he sees it and he throws to the right, which was not the right play within that particular play, which I think is what you just kind of tried to lay out.

Speaker 1 I don't think a lot of us understood that until I saw the clip where it was like, hey, the quarterback's job, if they see this, even within this play, is like, hey, we're going right here, right now.

Speaker 1 This is the answer to the test right now. And then whenever you miss it, if it's not pointed out live in real time, I think a lot of us just think, that was a stupid play.

Speaker 1 That was, you know, like that. That's a very good thing.

Speaker 6 That's kind of like for me, Pat, I don't like when people say, well, quarterback, you can't predetermine your throw.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 6 I mean, why do we get into certain formations as an offense and why do we motion people in certain ways? Well, we're trying to create information. We're trying to get.

Speaker 6 So if I know you're in a certain coverage and I know that this is the concept that we have called and it's the perfect concept versus that coverage, why would I not?

Speaker 6 Now, I don't think you assume things. You got to confirm that the defense is what you're expecting.
But it very much so. Like that's how you get to play fast.

Speaker 6 That's why these teams get into certain formations and motions.

Speaker 6 And so I do think that's a part of it is just really, really getting those young players and Caleb specifically to understand all of that, that, the why behind it,

Speaker 6 and then letting it loose, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to cover up the body ass stink, you know? You got to cover up the bad football. You got to cover up the bad play.
You got to put Dio.

Speaker 1 Your name's Dio while he's giving this answer. And you cover up bad shit.

Speaker 1 I mean, you should have a deal with them.

Speaker 1 Like, I know we got you a dude wipes deal. You're welcome.
You know, you did. Thank you.
And potentially your ESPN deal. You're welcome.
But the...

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'll take that as well. You sent my daughter to Taylor Swift, so thank you for that as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This one, it feels like a natural fit.
As you were doing this, I'm like, oh, Dano's coming in to kind of cover up people's stink horses.

Speaker 1 And then I like a little staring at him. I'm like, Dano's whole body DO.
D-O.

Speaker 1 He's bad football D-O.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is this all an audition to these answers he's been giving? It sounds like he's trying to tell people, like, hey, I know football.
Yeah, a little bit. Oh, man.
You know what he is?

Speaker 1 You know what he? Stay away from me. You have a playbook dance.

Speaker 3 Chicago might have your guy right. They're looking for a head coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's happened before, right? Where an owner has watched somebody on TV say something and be like, yeah, why don't my people say this? Hey,

Speaker 1 you're out. Hey, excuse me, would you like to come in? That's happened very much through the history of sports media in the NFL.
Dano's just saying, hey, just, here's my thoughts.

Speaker 1 Here's my philosophy. Now, AJ, you asked a question there that I think is a big one.

Speaker 1 Did you say?

Speaker 11 I said, do you have a playbook that you would take into an interview, Dan, if you were someone said, hey, you want to be our OC or quarterback coach?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I would morph the playbook of the Kyle Shanahan, Gary Kubiak, Mike mike shanahan stuff so a little bit of what kyle does now i think a little bit of what kevin o'connell does now and then i would also morph a little bit of the joe brady liam cohen stuff that they do which is a little new age

Speaker 6 four by one um outnumbering people uh the use of two back but kind of two halfback maybe not just a full back i love the versatility of Buffalo's offense, Baltimore's offense.

Speaker 6 So I think it's kind of a combination of the stuff stuff that's been in the league for a long time, but some of the new age 4x1 RPO quarterback design run.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 I didn't know we were just going to do a coaches interview here, but what's your day one message to the group? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 What's your mantra? Can you please tell me? Yeah, what is the three key words? What's the mantra? What's the room going to be known for whenever you look back? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 Sounds like, I mean, well, let's get there. Yeah,

Speaker 1 why not? Why aren't we there? Well, that's a question I have in the interview. Bad purpose.
Why aren't you there yet? Yeah.

Speaker 1 How come you haven't decided to do the coaching thing over the past couple years? Were you scared of it? Did you think you weren't going to be good?

Speaker 1 Why is now the time that you're thinking about getting it? You miss it. Have you even tried it? Do you even coach your kids' team?

Speaker 1 Are you allowed to coach your kids' team in the county in which you live?

Speaker 6 Boy's got a big basketball game tonight. Undefeated versus undefeated.
Holy

Speaker 1 kids. Holy.
What are they?

Speaker 1 All three of them are guards, and then you just got two other guys playing? Not dedicated.

Speaker 6 Two of them play. My third one doesn't play because he has autism.
So like he's just non-sports, draw everything. Coolest kid in the world.

Speaker 6 I got one who's a three and D guy, and then one who thinks he's Jason Williams, but he's more like

Speaker 1 Boston Connor. Oh, well, you have no idea, brother.
I hope he has a good pass in my bag.

Speaker 1 I mean, Boston Connor and White Chocolate are certainly playing two different styles of basketball. Connor is a stroker, though.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
So, what AQ just said, Connor and Connor can

Speaker 1 he can splash it. Yeah,

Speaker 6 I got a three and dig. Guess what the names of the two kids that we got to shut down tonight are? Westport, Connecticut.

Speaker 1 We got Bo and Chad Gunner. Bo and Gunner? Dogs.
You guys are screwed, dude. Bo and Gunner are about to go bananas up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do not let Gunner get hot early. Yeah.
Yo,

Speaker 6 Gunner is this wiry, flowy, long-haired athlete that just shows up in strokes, dude.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
So how it's a big white guy. He's a big white guy up there at Yukon.
Yeah, same exact kind of style and vibe for their men's men.

Speaker 1 How old are these boys that are playing?

Speaker 6 These boys are in the 12-13 world, seventh graders.

Speaker 1 And we're watching film already on the other team. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 How do you know so much about the opponent?

Speaker 6 Win everything one thing at a time, AJ.

Speaker 1 Everybody knows about Connor up there. Yeah.
Bo?

Speaker 1 Bo and Gunner. You get me? Everybody.

Speaker 1 You're right. When Erlos got coffee this morning, the guy giving it to him said, hey, good luck with both.

Speaker 1 You're right. I forgot about that.
He went down the street there. Okay, so your coach, what's the speech? Are we giving a speech?

Speaker 1 I'd like to hear how we'd maybe rally a bunch of of 12-year-olds or maybe an NFL team that you're currently interviewing for.

Speaker 3 You got to stop.

Speaker 1 Publicly.

Speaker 6 I'm not going to be big. I won't be big pre-game with them.
Hey, let's go play our game. It's another game.
Go play our game.

Speaker 1 Just another game. Bo and Gunner are going to be a game.
Go play our game, boys.

Speaker 2 They don't think it's another game, but they think it's shit.

Speaker 6 Now, 20 seconds in, I'll probably dog cuss one of my kids for not playing hard enough. Nice.

Speaker 1 How sweet is your timeout? You do big timeouts. How are we.

Speaker 6 I'm the assistant coach. My boy Chuck is the head coach.
I'm the assistant. He knows a lot more about, I don't know anything about basketball.

Speaker 1 Bo and Gunner taking on Chuck and Dan is a

Speaker 1 Connecticut matchup that they've been dreaming of out here.

Speaker 1 Chuck couldn't sleep.

Speaker 6 We're playing against Bo, Gunner, Hendrix, and Ari.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Hendrix and Ari.
That's a tag team there at the back half of the match. Hendrix is the problem.

Speaker 6 Hendrix is the problem.

Speaker 1 You don't like Ari? What's that all about?

Speaker 6 Ari's an hooper, but Hendrix plays his freaking rear end up, dude.

Speaker 1 Okay, Dan, what's it? Are you okay, AJ? You okay, AJ? I have a son named Hendrix.

Speaker 11 It made me chuckle. Yeah, I have a 12-year-old name Hendrix.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hendrix is a great name. Is he pointed? Is he pointing anything? Hendrix.

Speaker 1 He's an Axel rolling up there. What the hell? Could you imagine? Hold on now.
I didn't know the 12-year-olds are doing this much scouting of rosters and filming everything in these tournaments.

Speaker 1 Think about when Axel Hawk is coming to town as an 11-year-old. The other team, the coach.

Speaker 6 Is this the puker?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah. He's the puker.

Speaker 6 Is he a meathead?

Speaker 11 Yeah, he is. But I mean, my nine-year-old, right before that, after the Rose Parade, actually clogged up a toilet that had 20 people waiting for it because he put paper towels in it.

Speaker 11 This is a veteran. He turned nine on the trip, and he came walking out with a shirt tucked in.
And my 11-year-old said he just started dying, laughing because he knew he took a dump in there.

Speaker 11 And then all of a sudden, the lady walked in.

Speaker 6 In the hotel, AJ?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 11 In a Mexican restaurant at the Rose Parade. So there's like 25 people waiting for the one bathroom.

Speaker 11 Yeah, he put paper towels in because they were out of toilet paper.

Speaker 6 What's the name of that? You know, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 Kid Hendrix that we're playing tonight, his little brother did the same thing in their house this week. It bursted the pipes.
Their home is flooded, and they're living in.

Speaker 1 Hey, look, he's laughing in their face. It's coldest that's ever been.

Speaker 1 They got some adversity. They got some adversity over there.

Speaker 1 Good luck to all parties. Good luck to all parties.
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 He's got their signs. Yeah, he seems like he's in their hut.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 up there in New England. Hey,

Speaker 1 it is not a New England. What is that? We do not claim New England.
Yeah, it is. They do not count.
Just yesterday, they said they were in.

Speaker 6 We're 100% New England.

Speaker 1 They're just as much as the tri-state area. Okay.

Speaker 1 Westchester, all those, they basically are part of Connecticut. They can have them in New York.
They're not New England. Oh, so that's where the state is.

Speaker 1 That's where New England is split to New York and New England? Yeah, no, it's like it's basically everywhere around Connecticut and up. Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Vermont.
What up?

Speaker 1 New Hampshire, Mason.

Speaker 11 Why don't you claim Connecticut? What's that?

Speaker 1 Nothing mixed.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, you is half the state, at least half the state, from the middle of the state north, they're all Red Sox fans, Patriots fans, Celtics and Bruins.

Speaker 6 And then half the state south is all New York.

Speaker 1 So that's we're negotiating. Bingo.
So half of Connecticut is New England. No, no, we don't do halves.
We do all we're not. And that's why Connecticut's fucking out.
Live for your die, brother. Bingo.

Speaker 1 You think New Hampshire is going to take some Connecticut shit? Give me a break. Okay, let's get back to some football.
Shout out to the Red Sox.

Speaker 6 Massachusetts people, man.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the Revolution Region, by the way. way.
We appreciate what you did up there. You're welcome.
Struggle for your country.

Speaker 1 With that same area now, do that.

Speaker 1 We don't got to talk about it now. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's move forward back into football conversation, shall we? The Revolution Regions. There's so much history.
You got married up there. Yes, I did.
That church was, I was a part of history.

Speaker 2 Tour church in America.

Speaker 1 George, right?

Speaker 2 George Washington used to

Speaker 1 be there.

Speaker 1 Rhode Island, proud member of New England. It's like a trip to Europe real quick.
You know, you go back in time.

Speaker 1 Just like whenever you go out to like wine country out there, complete opposite, but it is like you're in Europe. It's just a very different spot.
Let's get back to football. Let's go to Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Okay. America's first capital.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 USA. USA.

Speaker 1 USA. Had to get one of those camo shirts on on.
You had to do that. Hey, Qsh has a question for you about Philly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Dan, you did a breakdown the other day of Philly's offense and you were defending Jalen Hurts and receivers not being open and this, that, and the other, right?

Speaker 1 So as you watch that film, who do you see as the fault of that? Do you blame Kellen Moore? Do you blame the receivers? Do you blame Jalen? Why are guys not getting open?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't blame the receivers at all. I think it's probably a combination of Kellen Moore and Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 6 I would say this. There's a lot of evidence that their past game doesn't go over the middle of the field.

Speaker 6 So I would say that there's probably an amount of information that they have as a coaching staff that says they don't, they don't execute plays pass game-wise over the middle of the field very well.

Speaker 6 So it's probably a little bit of trying to make sure that Jalen's in a situation where he's executing the plays that he's most comfortable with on a consistent basis.

Speaker 6 And it feels like a lot of those are on the perimeter.

Speaker 6 And then as Kellen Moore, he's trying to figure out how many different ways or is there a different way to get the ball in a layered concept or crosses over the middle of the field.

Speaker 6 And so I think that's probably a little bit of both of them. I think as a play caller, you got to constantly, Kellen's going to have to constantly try to find some areas.

Speaker 6 Because if I was the Rams, defensively, I'm sitting there going, he still let you throw the ball outside this week.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I'm going to make, and I think that's what Halfley did with Green Bay: it felt like Halfley was like, all right, you're not throwing the ball on the perimeter.

Speaker 6 I'm going to force you to throw the ball over the middle field and I'm going to cover it up in the ways that, because Jalen, specifically on the inside stuff, I think AQ, Jalen plays pretty decently in timing on the outside stuff the stop routes the out routes the big comebacks the go balls but on the inside stuff it's not like a it's not bang bang piston like and I think the Rams are going to be very aware of that and say all right we're not going to allow you to do that so I I think it's a combination of you know Jalen's got to trust it a little bit more when he sees it over the middle field and then Kellen's got to figure out ways that he can you know live in the the RPO world live in the one-on-one world on the outside try to create some play action chunk shots.

Speaker 6 And then is there a concept or two that he has supreme confidence in Jalen operating counter really efficiently over the middle of the field?

Speaker 6 So I really don't believe it's a receivers can't win type of thing. I think it's a little bit of them figuring out, you know, in playoff defenses, what's best for them.

Speaker 1 We're playing catch over here because we're getting so jacked up about football.

Speaker 1 When you talk about those throws that Jalen Hurts has to make, you're talking about the ones that got to have a little feather, you know, a little bit of feather on them. You know, put it right.

Speaker 1 You got to have a little feather. You got to get over a layer in front of somebody else.
That's not easy. That's an elite thrower's quality.
So you're kind of saying maybe he's not as confident.

Speaker 1 He can make those throws. He has shown that he's made those throws, but it's not every single time.
And maybe he's gunshot on having to potentially do that, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think, too, is, you know, go back to the Super Bowl year. Super is good.

Speaker 6 I go back to the 22 season.

Speaker 6 I don't have a lot of

Speaker 6 memory of Jalen looking uncomfortable in the pocket, almost unwilling to step up into those seams. He did, or he hung there and delivered the ball.

Speaker 6 I think last year, you know, that started to show itself a little bit. It has a little bit this year.

Speaker 6 And so just getting him comfortable to not only like hanging in that pocket, but seeing in that pocket as well, I do believe is something that they're constantly trying to work through.

Speaker 6 And so, yeah, it is that, you know, if you guys remember the

Speaker 6 Lamar, the third and 13 touchdown to Bateman this weekend, like it was just, it's just enough of air to get over an underneath defender's fully extended arm, but firm enough that it doesn't sail over that next level.

Speaker 6 Yeah, this throw. I mean, if this is like, see, that ball is probably, you know, 10, 12 feet off the ground.

Speaker 6 So it's just over that second level defender, but also right in kind of that, that chest breadbasket area for Bateman.

Speaker 1 Is that double barreled to the camera there? That double pointer fingers. I know it's double pointer finger.

Speaker 1 He's pointing at you, you, you, you. You should see how good of a throw that that was by Lamar, I think, is what he was doing to the camera after the celebration, which looked awesome.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that's the elite arm talent that Lamar has displayed. I think he was just pointing, you, you, you.

Speaker 1 No, he said, you, you, you, you, you. You need to see what Lamar just did from my angle.
That's what he said. He said, wait till you get the Sky Cam, the all 22 on this thing.

Speaker 1 You're going to be really impressed. But to your point, that touch and everything like the pinpoint accuracy and then the,

Speaker 1 what would that be called whenever you're assuming he'll be at a position?

Speaker 11 You know, the

Speaker 1 throw it to a spot. Throw it to a spot, but confidence, the

Speaker 1 anticipation. There it is.
The anticipation on speed, on wear, that's all just like a natural feel.

Speaker 1 I think it has come like just natural for the bar as opposed to thinking about it all, which is potentially happening with some of the younger guys.

Speaker 6 CJ's great at it as well. You know, CJ is sensational throwing some of those big ends to Nico.
That's where, you know, those reps of timing and what's the landmark for the route.

Speaker 6 Deep Button knows that so well. That's why defenders try to get hands on guys because, hey, I want to throw this football.

Speaker 1 four yards.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I want to throw this ball off X hitch, four yards inside the hash at 18 yards. And I got to trust that you're going to get there.
So as a quarterback, I'm like, I'm cutting this sucker loose.

Speaker 6 And, you know, Carson Palmer was the greatest ever at it.

Speaker 6 One of these.

Speaker 1 Peyton Manning played football. So Carson Palmer is certainly good.
Okay. But what you were describing.

Speaker 6 Carson and Ocho were so good at it. Okay.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 1 I agree. I agree 1,000%.

Speaker 1 But we're having a Marvin Harrison and Peyton Manning conversation now all of a sudden. No doubt.
You know, and there is also Reg in that entire time. Dallas Clark at the tight end position.

Speaker 1 The amount of reps they took was because this thing is leaving my hand. You're going to be nowhere near looking at the ball.

Speaker 1 And the DB is actually going to think there's no way the ball is in the air right now. And as soon as that turp, boom, it's just right in the spot.
He was like the anticipation.

Speaker 1 But the amount of reps they had to take to get there. Yep.
I mean, it was just like, we're repping this out. We're repping this out.
We're repping this out. We're repping this out.
So many.

Speaker 1 Like, getting a chance to watch like an off-season workout through that entire lockout year, it's like, holy shit. I didn't know it was like that.

Speaker 1 It is like we are going to be on the same page for sure, no matter what. And then they'll have to see the defense the exact same way as well.
And it's like, that's why they were such a...

Speaker 1 like a machine almost.

Speaker 1 Deba just told me about

Speaker 1 Brady. Bingo.
Burrow, Jamar, go ahead, Pel. Deba just was tied about Brady and like the shoulders he was throwing too.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in practice one time, a guy, like, because he would throw it, like, if you were, let's say you're running a crossing route from his left to right,

Speaker 3 and he hit you on, if he would hit you on that back shoulder, it was intentional to basically take you away from the defender so you catch it and go back that way.

Speaker 3 So if you were to catch it and go this way, hey, I put it there for a reason. Like, like Wes Walker, like, you know, we say hospital balls.

Speaker 3 That's why Tom speaks so much about quarterbacks putting their receivers in danger. Like, look, it's not on the defenders to protect them.
It's on the quarterbacks to do it.

Speaker 3 And, like, now, there are only only so many quarterbacks that are that accurate when live bullets are flying and he had to be that way Peyton had to be that way Drew had to be that way when like guys like Jalen Josh Allen Lamar are that way and throwing the ball with that type of accuracy they're almost unstoppable because they're seeing defenses that they have to cater to their legs too so you you got to be more simple sometimes you're gonna have more one-on-one matchups on the outside so like it's it's so different but when those guys can beat you from the pocket like Lamar what he's doing this year those guys are damn near unbeatable and that's why they always bring that up whenever it's like contract negotiations.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like, can you do this? Can you do this? Can you do that? It was brought up a lot with Lamar. Lamar is obviously clearly answering those questions.
Let's talk about the quarterbacks now.

Speaker 1 We just talked about Lamar whenever he was potentially available to everybody in the NFL. Yep.

Speaker 1 Potentially.

Speaker 6 Swinging a miss on that hardball.

Speaker 1 I was at 200%.

Speaker 1 They would have matched whatever the offer was. So you would have had to given up a lot.

Speaker 1 You would have had to out-deal the Baltimore Ravens, who are willing to give whatever if you listened to Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 Okay, if you listen to what Harbaugh was saying, let's assume they were all on the same page. But nobody even like reached that, allegedly.
Nobody even, let's talk about the quarterback market now.

Speaker 1 We would assume if Lamar Jackson was a free agent, he would get paid $100 million a year with how he's playing and how exciting he is. But Kanman has a question for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Dan, how do you feel about the QBs available? Obviously, Darnold Rogers, possibly, Russell Wilson, Joe Flacco is in there, too. There's a lot of QB questions for a lot of teams.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about the guys available in free agency? And then is the draft class where teams are going to look to?

Speaker 1 Because right now the narrative is the QBs in the draft aren't the greatest QB draft class of all time.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think Sam Darnold's clearly the best option when it comes to the realistic free agents.

Speaker 6 I know the last two weeks, I think what we've learned from Sam Darnold, you win a lot of games with Sam Darnold. As long as he's got that structure,

Speaker 6 that scheme that's really good, the play action-centric offensive line, skill people on the outside, you'll win a lot of games with them.

Speaker 6 I do think it's fair to say over the last two weeks, we've learned you're not going to win games because of him. And the offensive line didn't play well, they got covered up.

Speaker 6 So, you know, that is a reality. You know, so if you're a team that, hey, we got to get just a really good player at that position.
I want to get Baker Mayfield or Geno Smith.

Speaker 6 That's kind of like the lateral correlation. I think Sam's going to be that guy for somebody.

Speaker 6 I actually thought Rogers, like, listen, if Rogers wants to come back and play, I still believe Aaron's playing winning football.

Speaker 6 I thought his last eight weeks, when he got a little bit healthier, that was very obvious.

Speaker 6 And so, do I think that it's got to be in a situation that's ideally because of the age and his health, no question about it.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 Russell Wilson, I think the last three years, we've figured out kind of where Russell is in his career. You know, he's going to hold the football on a long time.

Speaker 6 If you can create some one-on-ones, he's got a chance to be a really good player throwing the ball downfield.

Speaker 6 I do believe he's not what he was five years ago. That's not some earth-shattering statement.

Speaker 6 Fields, the Fields thing is interesting to me and also frustrating to me at the same time because, you know, Pittsburgh and I heard you guys talking about it.

Speaker 6 And obviously it's been a conversation all week. Like, this is one of the reasons why so many of us and me very much so was so convicted about keeping Justin on the field.

Speaker 6 Because now you still don't know.

Speaker 6 You still don't know anything. And for 2025, that position is a giant question mark.
And it's like, we'll bring back Justin Fields, but what do we really believe about Justin Fields?

Speaker 6 Where if you just had him play this year, I still think you would have been a relatively similar team.

Speaker 6 And at least you would have had the body of work of, nope, this guy can't do it and we're going to not have him a part of our future. Or like,

Speaker 6 we are convinced that this guy's got a really bright future and he's going to be our, at least starting point quarterback-wise. And so the draft, I would tell you this.

Speaker 6 They're all very interesting. Shadur doesn't have number one pick traits, but he's going to be in the conversation because physically he's not wildly impressive.
He's just not, he's not big.

Speaker 6 He's not crazy athletic. He's not a physical phenom.
Damn Ward is a physical phenomen you're going to have to get him to play a little bit more in structure, a little bit like Caleb was coming out.

Speaker 6 I think Quinn Ewers is interesting because of what he accomplished in his career. Milro is interesting just because he is a physically impressive human being.

Speaker 3 So I don't think it's this year's class no.

Speaker 1 I'm sick of it. Will Howard is getting zero respect.

Speaker 1 He can't even go back, right? He's got no years. This is last year.
He's definitely going to the NFL.

Speaker 2 The big son of a bitch.

Speaker 11 Can move, too. I don't know enough about his game.

Speaker 1 Are you watching? Oh, you just watched the play. He's got Jeremiah Smith.
He's got Igbuka. He's got Tate.
He's got Judkins. He's got Henderson.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good.

Speaker 1 And the tight end has the greatest name of all time named

Speaker 1 G. Scott.
Oh, Kath Merrick, you saying? Oh, yeah, and G. Scott Jr.

Speaker 1 So he's got a lot of weapons. That's not his fault.

Speaker 1 That's not his fault.

Speaker 2 He was no slouch at Kansas State, though. That's why Ohio State was like, hey, still got to put it on him.

Speaker 1 And he's got bop, too. Seen him skip around.
I mean, he is.

Speaker 1 As we wrap up here on ESPN, he'll be back on NFL Live in just a matter of a few moments. We'll continue on ESPN Plus, Disney Plus, YouTube, and TikTok Live

Speaker 1 for the final few days.

Speaker 1 Have a good one. We'll see you tomorrow.
Goodbye. TikTok's done, Dano.
Dane.

Speaker 1 Have you heard about that, Dan? You got TikTok, Dan? I have heard about it yeah Dan you've definitely done this a couple some coastal elites go buy that

Speaker 1 yes god some coastal elitist could have go do that Dan why don't you

Speaker 1 why don't you why don't you go find the money to buy tick tock

Speaker 1 all right it'll be my first call okay well too many people are doing that these days

Speaker 1 we're never gonna get to that point I believe but it is an honor to do that the the thought of that I don't it's still

Speaker 1 we still got days you know It ain't going deadlines. Yeah, deep.

Speaker 11 That's right. It feels like it's already too ingrained.

Speaker 1 It's already too deep. I wonder if the government people know.

Speaker 1 Like, hey,

Speaker 1 everybody's on it. Well, don't the government people and their kids, they're not allowed to have it on their phone? Wasn't that put in place a couple years ago?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I wonder if they have conversations with, like, yeah, because it's being tracked by China.

Speaker 11 Everything's tracking you. Everything's tracking you.

Speaker 1 Literally everything. But I wonder if they ever have conversations with real people and understand, like, hey,

Speaker 1 he booked a honeymoon on TikTok. People are using it as a search engine.
It's a big deal. Sports are on TikTok.
Our shows, sports are on TikTok and do very well on TikTok.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of things for an entire generation.

Speaker 1 It's like, if you want to be the biggest heel on earth, okay, and I don't know if that's the game, and just piss off an entire fucking generation, I think this would be an easy way to let that happen.

Speaker 1 I think. Yeah, but the biggest, the biggest

Speaker 1 owns it.

Speaker 1 Hopefully we'll blame Chuck.

Speaker 2 Well, that's what they're worried about: is in two years, you're going to be booking your honeymoon to the Shang-Chi province.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I'll go check out.

Speaker 1 I'll go check out. Go look at the Grey Wall of the Forbidden City.
And Ed Ed. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Zing Jing. You want to go see Zing Jing? See, that's the only reason I want to keep the stuff like TikTok because Zing Jing might not be available to the public without.

Speaker 1 This is how. What do you

Speaker 1 think?

Speaker 1 Please pull up Zing Jing.

Speaker 1 Please.

Speaker 3 How do I spell?

Speaker 1 X-I-N-G-X-I-N-G. The way Connor pitched it to me was.

Speaker 6 What am I pulling up here?

Speaker 1 This isn't meat spin, bro. Don't worry.
We've got a couple others that can send you. Yeah, if you would like, rest in peace.
You're not pulling up

Speaker 1 a visual or

Speaker 1 just an Instagram. It's maybe the cutest thing I've ever seen.
There's Jing Zing.

Speaker 1 It's a

Speaker 6 chimpanzee or something.

Speaker 11 Whoa.

Speaker 1 I don't think that is.

Speaker 3 That is one fat monkey.

Speaker 1 She ain't just some chimp, and she's not a fat monkey. It's how she was built.
No, she is a fat monkey. That's what I say.
She's got a thyroid issue. She's built like that.

Speaker 1 She's got bigger bones, heavier bones.

Speaker 6 But is it what? What?

Speaker 1 She's built this. This is Zing Zing.
And Connor pitched me, Zhing Zing, yesterday, saying, listen, you need, I know you don't do all the internet stuff. I know you don't buy into all the stuff.

Speaker 1 You need to get on board with Zing Zing. Yeah.
And I said, excuse me.

Speaker 6 I'm a hard pass on that.

Speaker 1 You're a fool. Dano's out.
I think I'm out there.

Speaker 1 What do do you do with this? You just follow along and

Speaker 1 watch this monkey. What else is acting like

Speaker 1 JJ? Bring up JJ pillow the banana with their mouth.

Speaker 1 Please, if we're going to watch JJ. He feels this banana so cool.
You got to get a lice.

Speaker 1 This is my life, brother. Zing Zing.

Speaker 1 The way he's talked to me.

Speaker 6 You got to get a life.

Speaker 1 Zing Zing is like Ed Ed in Mandarin.

Speaker 1 Bigger. Don't worry about it.
Just check it out. Do it.
Do it. And I looked at this monkey.
I said, it's a damn cute monkey. It's a great monkey.
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 The TikTok thing is a real conversation because it's potentially happening on Sunday. Obviously, with everything in the government, I don't follow along as much.

Speaker 1 And I guess there is a lot of people that get like, well, who cares? And it's like, well, that might be the way it ends up working out. Gallagher cares.
And if that takes,

Speaker 1 you know, who else cares?

Speaker 1 Talk. Well, that's because we're going to have to shoot him in the head if we don't say that.
We won't do that. We won't do that.
We might. Ladies and gentlemen, it is being reported that Mr.

Speaker 1 Beast has put an offer in to buy

Speaker 1 TikTok. I know Mr.
Beast is an absolute phenomenon.

Speaker 1 This man started as a teenager understanding YouTube and the algorithm and then literally created a business through that that has made him basically a billionaire. I mean, and everything.
He is

Speaker 1 genius, this Mr. Beast.
I think it's going to cost a lot of money.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's just being a billionaire.

Speaker 1 Was 60? Is that the number? So allegedly, Mr. Beast and a group of billionaires, hopefully they're able to go get enough money

Speaker 1 from one of these companies that has a shit ton of money to be able to go. 40 billion was X or Twitter.

Speaker 6 How would they make money? Like, how does the thing make how do you like why?

Speaker 1 Everybody on earth's on it's a platform you sell at, you do the whole just standard operation, maybe subscription service like Elon chose to do with Twitter. I assume there's some merch.

Speaker 1 I think TwitterX was trying to do it.

Speaker 6 Do people pay to use TikTok?

Speaker 1 No, but nobody paid to use Twitter either. And then basically it kind of became a point where you're going to pay three bucks a month, except for some people who have held out this entire time.

Speaker 1 And anytime I see that, I really think to myself, wow, you really saying I ain't fucking doing it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because basically everybody else there, you could potentially potentially do that i don't know if everybody on tick tock would do that a majority of people on x chose to do that and said yeah this thing's worth three bucks a month i assume tick tock people could do the exact same now i think it would take a long time we paid to we pay you to use twitter now

Speaker 1 what's that

Speaker 1 you pay a monthly fee to use twitter now so it's like a premium option yeah where you can post videos it's uh dan show to you dan they got you this part of yeah you got the check mark down yeah didn't you guys somebody was it you who made a big deal about it dano What, having to pay for it?

Speaker 9 Everybody was complaining about it, I remember.

Speaker 1 Everybody was complaining. I'm not paying.
I'm not for a blue check.

Speaker 3 A lot of people were saying, I just got it. I didn't pay.
I didn't pay. I don't know how I got it, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I had a blue check before it all happened.
And whenever they were like three bucks for this, it's like,

Speaker 1 you got it. True.

Speaker 11 I've, you know, all the information in one spot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I fucking learned everything in my life basically off of this thing. So I spend hours on here.

Speaker 1 So if it's going to cost three bucks to keep this thing going, so be able to pay in the corner almost is what I think. Three bucks a month, you got it.

Speaker 1 I know there's a lot of people that are pissed off about it. I could understand where they're coming from, but like I'm on there, you know.

Speaker 1 So like for these people that are on TikTok, I would assume that they'd be okay saving it by doing it in a fashion.

Speaker 4 100%. I don't know where all those people are going to go if TikTok is banned.
Like are they just going back to China?

Speaker 1 They all are going to China. To follow TikTok.
So they can still, yeah, use TikTok. All the data.

Speaker 9 You're a this guy, man.

Speaker 1 They're going to build houses literally anything damn that is that is the whole conversation around tick tock i i don't think you understand is it yes i don't think that's i don't think that's what you're understanding about this entire i say anything but gored on this guy yeah

Speaker 1 to tell me that

Speaker 1 okay

Speaker 1 all right dan we appreciate you good luck on nfl live one hour from now

Speaker 6 uh two hours around at four o'clock uh third mondays around at three but thanks that's right i have four o'clock every day four o'clock every day

Speaker 1 except for on mondays obviously three o'clock how much fun are this four o'clock hours in the office when we're watching the NFL Live Crew? We all gather around.

Speaker 1 We do. And whenever he goes virtual reality, we did it yesterday.
Yeah, I remember. We are.
You're plugged in. Yeah.
That's so cool.

Speaker 6 What time do you guys get into

Speaker 6 the office, to your building?

Speaker 1 There's early workouts. I think Gumpy's in here like 7 a.m.
working out.

Speaker 9 6.45, 7. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then what time are you guys there till?

Speaker 1 Depends on the day.

Speaker 6 There's a lot of shit going on. More often than not.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Probably 5.36.

Speaker 1 You know, that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of stuff going on yeah it's up to something season right now so there's something big yeah yeah something big coming i saw you were trying to jack up to something season what's going on you uh you off i'm not trying to is this the coaching thing is this the coaching thing

Speaker 6 i am not trying to jack anything nope i'm

Speaker 1 just getting ready to do nfl live you don't have to i'm not saying i own up to something don't be a jag off yeah i'm not yeah stop being a jag you're right gumpy this guy is being a jag off right now what is up to something season you creating something we doing big business we we got an idea or is it the coaching thing

Speaker 1 You're doing those texts or tweets again.

Speaker 1 Make yourself irreplaceable. Never know what the challenge is.

Speaker 6 But I've sent that a bunch this year.

Speaker 1 I know, that's what we're saying. It's only 15 days in the year.
That's the whole entire thing. Sub tweet keen.
Saying it over and over. Yeah, this year, technically.

Speaker 6 I heard that, Debut.

Speaker 9 These tweets get me juiced when I'm on the elliptical in the morning. I've seen these from Dan.

Speaker 1 I'm fucking just keep going. They hit like rent against.

Speaker 6 Oh, you're an elliptical guy.

Speaker 9 I'm old, Dan. My knees, I ain't got much left.
All right.

Speaker 9 39.

Speaker 1 He was a soccer player, too. A lot of running.
You're young, dude.

Speaker 9 I worked at the shipyard for 15 years.

Speaker 9 I've seen some things.

Speaker 1 He's inhaled a lot of things, too, you know. A lot of inhaling stuff.
But Dumpy's brain is working in a high clip, and he's in there every single morning getting after it. And, you know,

Speaker 1 when you put those tweets out, we all do go,

Speaker 1 is everything okay? That's okay. And then he goes up to something season.
He responds to that. It's like, oh, Dan's cooking something.

Speaker 1 Well, little did we know that tweet was actually about his boys taking on Bo and Gunner tonight. That's right.
Chuck and Dick. 7.30 tips.
All right. Well, good luck in the championship tonight.

Speaker 1 I hope Chuck has a good game plan.

Speaker 6 It's all in him. Yep.

Speaker 1 It's all in him. I hope Hendrix and Ari really go ape shit.
Good memory, man. Tonight? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You didn't say anything about Ari still, about these players. Ari's a shooter.

Speaker 6 No, Ari's like a long hooper. He's a good player.
I don't know a lot about his game because the other kids that I do know are lacrosse kids.

Speaker 6 I'm a little bit more ingrained into the lacrosse world with these kids.

Speaker 6 I think Ari's the better basketball player, but I like Hendrix just freaking plays freaking hard, dude. So, I know that's gonna happen.

Speaker 6 Same with Bo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 Gunner just

Speaker 6 Gunner's a hooper.

Speaker 1 These are all lax kids. What do I do now? What do I do, Connor? I'm really good with the lax stick.
Oh, yeah. I mean, you were working on split dodges yesterday.
Yeah, split dodges.

Speaker 1 And then, also, hey, you ever seen one of these things? Ah, you ever seen one of these? They're cradling.

Speaker 1 how about that how about it huh this is not a damn it's a national championship back to back don't you worry about it looking to go for three all right dano how about the uh the lacrosse guy for golden state who was that spencer him and his brother both in the nba okay then we got uh faison playing for notre dam in the national championship wide receiver he's a member of the notre dam lacrosse team yep yeah paison pison uh

Speaker 6 uh Boston Cotter, the kid from um

Speaker 6 there's a kid from Cheshire, Connecticut, which you probably know of the town. He's the, he's going to Notre Dame to play both as well.
He might be there now. Gosh, his name.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He's the number one.
He was the number one recruit for lacrosse. He's on the team right now.
Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, yeah, in the country.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was the number one recruit in the country. He's playing both football and lacrosse at Notre Dame.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I forget his. The lacrosse, the Cavanaugh? Matt Jeffries.
Who? There it is, Jeffries.

Speaker 6 I think his name is Matt Jeffries.

Speaker 1 Matt Nutta is the standard at Notre Dame Lacrosse. High.
Same with the football team. I assume this guy is a weapon of a being.
Nuke. That lacrosse video, watching the Notre Dame win, was cool.

Speaker 1 Notre Dame Lacrosse on the break in the Notre Dame football. They were just looking for any jersey, too, and it just so happened the only jersey they could find was Cheetah's.
So it was like perfect.

Speaker 1 What a perfect moment. That lacrosse team is a wagon-up error.
Yeah. Yeah.
They're legit. And they feel good about a three-peat.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, they actually do.
They still got a Kavanaugh boy.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. They still got one.

Speaker 1 If I do recall, he's the one that had his first appearance on the program where he had two black eyes and a shiner on his forehead. Hung over his health.
Yeah. Had a good time.

Speaker 1 Couple pops the right before. Yeah, we saw him at the Notre Dame IU game.
And he was having... We were hanging out with those lads.
Proper time. Really good.
Proper football time. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that Notre Dame lacrosse team. All right, just like we like this guy.
Good luck with whatever you're sub-tweeting about.

Speaker 1 And good luck with all the coaching interviews that you're going to do privately after this pop people. You're the man.
Appreciate you, buddy.

Speaker 6 Thanks, guys. Be good.

Speaker 1 We'd love to have you on our team coaching. Hell yeah.
ladies and gentlemen dan or lost

Speaker 1 like this team not like the cults or the patriots i don't know dude he's he's pretty diligent i think he would give maximum effort yeah does that seemingly everywhere he does everything he does too much hey we need to take on everything he goes full speed yeah authority on quarterbacks because full speed yeah

Speaker 1 I love whenever people go, I don't see how this guy's watching all the film. Let's do some math here.

Speaker 1 60-minute games, this many games, and somehow he has a full take on everything by 8 a.m. Okay, there ain't enough time in the day.
And then Dan had to come back.

Speaker 1 I have to prioritize my film study, but I do want to watch every single play of every single game. It's like, of course, Dan does.
I think that is how he is.

Speaker 1 He really was lobbying there for a job, AJ, I think. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. You know, he's got a plan.

Speaker 11 Has he interviewed Frenny Jobs in the past?

Speaker 1 I think he's, I don't know. You never know what's for leverage, and you never know what's real.

Speaker 11 He's just waiting on the right opportunity, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Rex Ryan is currently campaigning for the Jets job publicly, which I respect mightily, okay, out of Rex Ryan. If he wants the job, obviously saying I want it is a cool thing to do.

Speaker 1 I think that showcases a lot of bravo. But he's also potentially saying, hey, to ESPN, if his numbers up, like, there's an option I could do that all the time.

Speaker 1 You know, like, Gruden played the card perfectly every year.

Speaker 1 Every year. Oh, they want me to come back and coach $5 million increase, new extension.
Oh, they want me to come back and go. Boom.

Speaker 11 New extension. Monday night football.
Was he like 10 years? Did he do Monday Night Football for 10 years? It seemed like it was a while.

Speaker 1 I think him and Tarico, right? That's who it was? Yeah. Him and McDonough.

Speaker 2 Towards the end. At the end.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because Tarico goes to NBC to do Olympic coverage and then inevitably Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 1 He's great. Tarico's really good.
He can do everything. He's so smooth.
You know, he's like so smooth. He can call anything.
But I think football calling, I like him. Yeah.
He gets juiced, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I like his energy yeah i like what he does and he you can tell he's over prepared

Speaker 1 which i uh i appreciate because that showcases like work ethic and you know everything like

Speaker 1 now

Speaker 1 football it's wonderful that's aj hockey has won a college football national championship and uh how about the most recent foxy flick of the rose bowl trip there waiting for a foxy football yeah boy

Speaker 1 that was a nice trip down memory lane there.

Speaker 1 Thank you for piecing that together and documenting the most

Speaker 1 insane run that any group of people has ever had before, seemingly. The toxic tables here at Boston Connor and that Ty Schmidt.
You boys look fantastic.

Speaker 1 Roosters chicken right there on your forehead, huh? Oh, yeah. I love roosters.
Just a perfect hat. You know, just no, no mumbo jumbo.
Okay, just a name. How about roosters?

Speaker 1 Not making you dump all over yourself. Yeah, very impressive because of how good it tastes.
You would expect some sort of dumps. Fried chicken can eat it before having to do something.

Speaker 1 That's not not normal no at all shout out to market that yeah they should market that i was scared to death you remember i walked in there oh yeah you asked me you asked yeah you guys dump i need to know how everybody feels right now is everybody okay because obviously standing for this entire game four degrees aj say you're great don't worry about it and then ty even said hey listen yeah good stuff had it all too whenever i heard ty stomach could handle it i knew we're in a good spot it was delicious delightful delightful high quality chicken over there

Speaker 1 burgers too. Yeah, they had, and they just supplied it all, kept it heated and cooled for us, obviously.
Over there in Columbus, they were incredibly hospitable. Shout out to Sean Perkins.

Speaker 1 Shout out to the Ohio State Buckeyes.

Speaker 1 What about that time and what the question marks were going into that game whenever we were sitting in that incredible lounge to where we are now with that Ohio State team? Vastly different.

Speaker 1 They're a wagon national championship on Monday live from Atlanta. Nine-year NFL vet Darius J.
Butler is here.

Speaker 1 Hussy on sideline for these games is so stupid. Sick.
Getting a chance to kind of witness who these guys are, I think, is a big deal for us. Remember, we saw it with, I think, Jackson Smith and Jigbo.

Speaker 1 We saw it with C.J. Stroud soons.
We saw him whenever he played against George. Obviously, we saw the whole...
This Jeremiah Smith guy. He's different.

Speaker 1 He's a different person on the football field than everybody else that's on the football field with him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, game record. You know, they got to figure out a way to get him involved early, I think, in this game, Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 Notre Dame plays a lot of man-to-man coverage, so I'm excited to see the different matchups that Jeremiah Smith will get on Monday.

Speaker 3 I'm sure he's itching to get that ball back in his hands after not having a huge performance last week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Ohio State Buckeyes played nowhere near good in their eyes, I would say.

Speaker 1 From what we had seen them do the past two weeks, they had mistakes that they don't normally make, drop touchdowns by Tate. That's not going to happen, you know, a majority of the time.

Speaker 1 Jeremiah Smith goes up for one, drops it early, which would have had them on the one-yard line. He's catching that at literally every other time.

Speaker 1 There was obviously the 15-yard penalty from Trayvion Henderson, which showcased a little bit of, you know, a loss of composure. It's like, that's not what this Ohio State team team has been.

Speaker 1 Are they able to get back to what they were? I think so. I think that's why we all think like they're going to be an absolute problem for Notre Dame.
But Notre Dame, nobody projected this as well.

Speaker 1 Go back in a few weeks. It's a special, special national championship on Monday.
Team that won't be represented, but was close. Penn State alum.
Ladies and gentlemen, AQ Ship. A few weeks.

Speaker 1 Hey, good year. I said hey, great.
Doing good. Good year.
Good squad. Drew Allen is going to come back, too.
All of them are coming back. Is that good?

Speaker 1 By the way. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 The announcements on Instagram, I saw the long snapper did an umback thing today i quit i quit with the announcements i quit i quit long snapper be the only one announcing it what is this what are you talking about i quit he's trying to tell his friends and family i'm proud of him thank god he knows i'm bumped he wants to let his family know yeah

Speaker 1 i'm bad it's too much

Speaker 1 too much that was mean he's gonna quit the team today yeah

Speaker 1 how is his family supposed to know fine

Speaker 1 like i saw the name pop up I won't tell anybody. I said, who is Tyler Jebjebju? And look it up.
It says, longstapper. I'm back.
I'm like, I can't do it anymore. His family.
Can't do it. That's cool.

Speaker 1 Can't do it.

Speaker 1 I'm happy. You're back, dude.
One more year spinning that thing. Good luck.
There's only 32 jobs in the NFL. Literally no more.

Speaker 1 That is the only...

Speaker 1 There are 32 of them, and that's it. I don't think the UFL is paying for a long stopper.
I don't think so. Sorry, AQ hates you.
Yeah, and keep working, though. We're proud of you.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who's been working in the NFL world world for a very long time, almost as long as we've made him wait here. And we do apologize for that.

Speaker 1 Absolute legend from NFL Films, vice president at NFL Films, Keith Tossrow.

Speaker 1 We wasted a lot of your life. We apologize, Keith.
That's 100% on us.

Speaker 14 Never waste our time, Pat. It's good to be back.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 How's NFL Films doing? Oh, well.

Speaker 14 Hold on.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 1 That's on us.

Speaker 1 We should have probably, we should have gone quicker and said, right shoulder, right shoulder, right? Yeah, that's on us. We could be a good team.
Like you guys are basically

Speaker 1 the 33rd team of the NFL. Can we talk about how important the NFL Films

Speaker 1 is to the entire operation that is the NFL? I think, obviously, we've chat about it on our show before.

Speaker 1 I don't think we've had an opportunity to chit-chat with maybe a new group of people that have been watching.

Speaker 1 But NFL Films has basically been a tag team partner of the NFL since, I don't know what year, the beginning of almost televised football.

Speaker 1 And now you guys have your hands in everything the NFL is a part of in creation and distribution. And you guys are like scorsese level shit for the NFL.

Speaker 1 And I think you guys should get your flowers over there with everything you do for the league and for the sport that we all love.

Speaker 14 Thank you.

Speaker 14 We appreciate all the love. We appreciate

Speaker 14 you guys have been great to us. And

Speaker 14 it's been an incredible.

Speaker 14 time for us. We're busier right now, today, as we sit here than we have been.
And we've been here since 1962 when the Sables shot the NFL championship game for the first time. So,

Speaker 14 you know, like we just did, we're in the final stages of this marathon four team hard knocks with the AFC North, which has been an unbelievable challenge and a really cool show.

Speaker 14 And, you know, in our free time, we're making a late-night show with Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 14 It's been a wild month.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a lot going on in NFL Films all the time because of how much, you know, there is to offer from the NFL, its players, its entities, and everything like that.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the hard knocks in season with the AFC North.

Speaker 1 We were excited about it because it gave you an option to tell a story of a team, maybe, depending upon how a season can go, can kind of ruin a season almost.

Speaker 1 Now, with four options, we were thinking there was going to be some magic somewhere. You certainly found that early.
Obviously, the Steelers are on a run, then the Ravens go on a crazy run.

Speaker 1 They meet each other in the middle of this. How have you balanced who you showcase, how you showcase it? And is this the plan going forward in season for entire divisions to be a part of it

Speaker 14 i would go back

Speaker 14 we first talked about doing this five years ago this show in this format after we finished all or nothing and the the precursor to in-season hard knocks we we thought the best way to do it was with a full division and then we had an opportunity to do in-season hard knocks with a single team the colts three years ago okay

Speaker 14 you guys were early adopters of that format we talked about

Speaker 1 the,

Speaker 14 yeah, you were on top of it from day one.

Speaker 14 The Cardinals show, which, you know, was a really difficult one because their season was a mess. And then last year, the Dolphins made the playoffs.

Speaker 14 But by that point, we knew for sure that that wasn't, in our opinion, we just didn't think it was the right format to do an in-season show. And the reason is when it goes south,

Speaker 14 It's just a really difficult situation for everybody involved. And we're not, nobody wants to watch a show about a team that's enduring that situation when

Speaker 14 everything, you know, players are getting hurt, things are falling apart, people might be losing their jobs. That's not

Speaker 14 what that show is.

Speaker 1 Hey, why don't you have a seat here and tell us about all the shit that stinks right now? Please.

Speaker 1 And in doing that every single week, and then you're talking about losing jobs, it's like, hey, tell us about the worst day of your professional career here.

Speaker 1 That's happening in real time five minutes ago before you talk to your family. Obviously, tell us.
By the way,

Speaker 14 by the way, we're not necessarily invited guests.

Speaker 14 You know, we're, the league has a, you know, a resolution that the owners have voted on that allows NFL Films to select certain teams under certain conditions to do hard knocks.

Speaker 14 So at the end of all that, we just thought, if we're going to do an in-season show, we should do a whole division. You're guaranteed to get a winner.
You're going to get a hat and t-shirt game.

Speaker 14 You're going to be able to feature rivalries, which is awesome. Like

Speaker 14 showing the Steelers playing the Ravens on hard knocks was an undeniably cool thing to be able to do.

Speaker 14 You caught it right away that like showing two teams preparing for each other in a big game, which we saw right out of the gate with Steelers-Bengals, was really freaking cool.

Speaker 14 And it's not something that you've ever seen before on television, really in any sport, and certainly not in real time.

Speaker 14 And when a team goes bad, the way unfortunately we saw the Steelers season end with five straight losses we didn't have to dwell on them and nor should we have because the Bengals had picked themselves up off the mat won five straight and the Ravens became you know a wagon and and we'll see how far they can take it isn't it amazing how many stories that's just one division in the NFL there's so much shit everywhere are you how many years have you been with NFL films 20.

Speaker 14 This is my 28th season. I got here in 1997.

Speaker 1 Think about how much the league has changed, man. It's insane.
And obviously content has changed a lot. You guys have had to adapt all of that.

Speaker 1 But whenever they talk about the ratings and like dominating everything, it's crazy where the NFL has gone. And there's so many stories.
It's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 And watching the Ravens here through playoffs, is that what we're going to do? We're with the Ravens through the playoffs?

Speaker 14 We're with them as long as they're going.

Speaker 1 How about Steelers? All this shit that's going on right now. Are you still there?

Speaker 14 We're still there. The cameras are still up in Pittsburgh.
We'll be taking them down, I think, at the the end of this week um

Speaker 1 i thought maybe we were doing the whole yeah which leads to the and aj i think you were probably going to ask about this let's get off how about the offseason hard dunks are we doing that again that giants one need it buddy debut what's your vote

Speaker 1 yes i thank you your vote absolutely ty yeah con man no doubt age

Speaker 1 yes 100 people 100 of people surveyed said that it should come

Speaker 14 who

Speaker 14 all right who's calling All right, Darius,

Speaker 14 which GMs are you calling? AJ, you take the NFC

Speaker 11 New England.

Speaker 1 Nope, can't do it. First time.
First time. Can't do it.

Speaker 14 Take one division. We got to get, we got to find a GM to do it.
No, we're working on it. We're talking to a lot of teams.
We'll see if it happens.

Speaker 14 We loved that show. I think it's one of the best shows we've ever made in our history.
And I think we are

Speaker 14 so grateful to the Giants for taking that risk. And obviously it's been talked about to death.
And, you know,

Speaker 14 it's no fun for them to have to see, you know, those images pop up on their Twitter feeds, I'm sure, every day.

Speaker 14 And it's a bummer for us that it turned out the way it did their season, you know, because who knows?

Speaker 14 You make decisions. You go through a process with a bunch of smart people.
You make the best decisions you can under the circumstances. And in their case, they didn't turn out the way they hoped.

Speaker 14 And it happens in the NFL. It happens.

Speaker 1 It was our first time seeing it, though, Keith. That was our first time seeing it.
And, you know,

Speaker 1 whenever the moment where Mara, the owner of the team, boss, geez,

Speaker 1 it's going to be hard for me to sleep at night if Saquon goes to the Philadelphia Eagles and they go. Now we're here.
I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 1 I've been here a long time. We've had a lot of players.
He's the most popular one by far, by far. And then he walks out.
Now, Saquon's got a sleep number ad

Speaker 1 saying that he's sleeping soundly as a Philadelphia Eagle. And Mara allegedly reached out and said, hey, at least let me be a part of the ad so we can make this an entire thing.

Speaker 1 I think watching Joe Shane. decide directly against that whole thing, where there is a hard implication coming from ownership.

Speaker 1 Hey, this is how we want it to go. Now, granted, we are all people that we think ownership, if you're not good, get the hell out.

Speaker 1 And there might be some people that don't want Mara to have hands on there.

Speaker 1 But as we watch that situation and seen unfold the way it did with Saquon becoming the offensive player of the year for the rival Philadelphia Eagles for not that big of a contract, like 100 and something in the entire NFL or whatever it is, it's like, I don't know how you get any team to sign up for that ever again.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 I honestly don't know how you get, legitimately, are there going to be teams like the in-season hard knocks or the training camp hard knocks that will kind of be, I don't want to say forced to do it, but kind of, because that, that's, I don't know if you're going to GMs to say, yeah, I would like to see

Speaker 1 that whole thing happen.

Speaker 14 We updated the hard knocks resolution last year at the league meetings and that the off-season show was not contemplated in that updated

Speaker 14 resolution. I know you like when we use the $3 words, Mac.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love that. Anytime you talk about at the meetings, too, we have behind-closed doors conversations.
And there was politicking for this and for that. I understand how the game has to go.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of money on the line. So you're saying there is a chance we have this back, or are we definitely having it back?

Speaker 14 There's definitely a chance. We hope it's back.
We're talking to a bunch of teams about it, but we'll see what happens. I mean,

Speaker 14 we need a willing participant on that one. We're not going to force someone to do that.
So.

Speaker 1 Okay. If you got your shit together, I think you should do it Because you could sell yourself and your program and your brand as an actual, coming off of what happened last time.
Can't be worse.

Speaker 1 Cannot go. Can't be worse.
I don't know.

Speaker 14 Let's go back a second, though. What did we see? We saw the owner tell his general manager,

Speaker 14 here's my opinion on what I would like to do. But I hired you to do a job.
You make the decision and do the job with all the information that you and your staff compile.

Speaker 14 So we saw an NFL owner do the thing that all of us as fans ask

Speaker 14 our favorite owners to do. It didn't work out.
We all know that now. But at the time, it was hard to argue with a decision where, you know, you don't really have an offensive line.

Speaker 14 The quarterback situation is unsettled. You have so many holes to fill.

Speaker 14 You really want to pay $13 million a year to a running back when you've been doing that with that running back for five years already and not had a lot of success.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Like we can debate it. And I think, you know, obviously everybody has and everybody's got an opinion.
And it's hindsight is really easy in this scenario.

Speaker 1 I got you. Yeah.
Because that show.

Speaker 14 Go ahead. That show is about a process.
And I think it's really cool to have been able to make a show about, hey, we're going to start in January and we're going to have an end point after the draft.

Speaker 14 And you're going to see how a group of people faced with really difficult decisions goes about making those decisions.

Speaker 14 And to be able to make that, the people who have talked the most about that show are like business executives.

Speaker 14 Because I don't know that there's ever been a show on television, an unscripted show that showed a process that comprehensively from start to finish.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 And I like I we're proud that we did it. I think fans responded to it in real time before they knew it was going to happen.

Speaker 14 You guys, you know, everybody saw it and was, it was a wow kind of a moment on TV and in our world and sports TV. And like I said, I think it's amazing that the Giants had the guts to do it.
Agreed.

Speaker 14 I think they should stand behind and they have stood behind the decisions they made.

Speaker 14 I'm glad they're running it back and giving Joe Shane a chance to run another draft at another offseason because I think what we saw is a guy who has a good process and does.

Speaker 14 have a shot of succeeding. It just, there's a lot of luck involved.
You guys all know that.

Speaker 1 You're NFL guys. Yeah, a lot of luck in some places seemingly have more luck than others others on a regular basis.

Speaker 1 But us getting a chance to see that for the first time, and you talked about the moment in real-time reaction, it felt like the first training camp hard knocks when it came out.

Speaker 1 That's how people reacted to the first training camp hard knocks because that was the first time we were getting to see anybody's process.

Speaker 1 There's obviously fantasy football and there's thoughts and there's documentaries on how things go.

Speaker 1 But actually getting into the meeting, being in the room where it happens, where a decision is being made on what the strategy of the roster construction is going to be because in your show,

Speaker 1 he actually said, we got to find out if this quarterback's worth 40 million or not like we have to find that out and i think that was an actual legitimate thought like from the entire hey we got this guy we paid this guy we have to find out if he's a guy or not which was a part of the decision that they're making he's on the vikings now he's on a minnesota vikings so they forgot their answer so i assume that's why uh ownership was like we wanted to find out if he's a guy he's not a guy which is why he potentially ran it back with him but if you're another GM with the reaction that it was to that because it was our first time seeing how that shit goes if you're very very confident in your shit and like you have success, I think you should feel very comfortable doing that because people are intrigued by this because we don't know much about it.

Speaker 1 And the local social media teams would never put any of this shit out because they wouldn't be allowed to. Yeah, and to Joe Shane's credit, too, Tyrone Tracy Jr.

Speaker 1 ended up being an unbelievable running back, the guy he drafted in like the fifth round. And Singletary is moving a little bit too, you know.
Well, I know, I didn't mention him. That's the beginning.

Speaker 1 I saw him.

Speaker 2 They should make the Raiders do it next year. I know there's like a hey first thing, but like Brady's involvement and everything.

Speaker 1 They said they can't make anybody do it. That's what they said, right? Isn't that what you said? He can't make anybody do it? Make the Raiders do it.

Speaker 2 Go talk to Goodell and say, hey, guess what? You guys have stunk for the last 15 years.

Speaker 1 You're going to do this.

Speaker 2 What's the worst thing that can happen? Oh, you're going to stink again.

Speaker 1 They don't want a strong arm of anybody.

Speaker 1 That's not how the NFL operates, right, Keith? That ain't it.

Speaker 1 But.

Speaker 14 Well, now, if I may, because you had people on your show saying that, you know, I talked to the people at NFL Films and they were laughing at these guys. And we've got

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 name of it.

Speaker 14 No, nobody here's laughing at anything that happened in New York. We thought they were going through a process.

Speaker 1 Who threw NFL Films on our NFL?

Speaker 9 They were laughing. I did it.

Speaker 1 Who? Who did it? Everybody.

Speaker 1 Who did it on our show?

Speaker 8 Everybody did.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 14 that was the only time. That was the only time we got a little annoyed.
Somebody went on your show and said, oh, the producers at NFL films are.

Speaker 1 Or lofsky lombardi

Speaker 1 lombardi

Speaker 14 i think what we created though i think the hardest thing for these types of shows especially for hard knocks and in real time

Speaker 14 is is meme culture right like you have a moment like two weeks ago Sam Darnold in the locker room, his teammates are all spraying water all over him, and it's the, and Kevin O'Connell's in the corner watching like a a proud papa.

Speaker 14 And it, and it was an incredible scene captured by the Vikings media guys and the NFL films cameras. Amazing moment, right?

Speaker 14 And then

Speaker 14 two weeks later, it's over.

Speaker 14 You see how it turns out. And, you know, I'm sure a week or two from now, we'll see it.
It'll be a meme now, right? Like we have a... a culture and it's not anybody's fault.

Speaker 14 We all live in the same thing. We all scroll through our feeds and we see the way things become memes.
So nobody wants to become that next meme. And unfortunately for the Giants, it happened to them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, certainly did. And memes are happening at all times.
So, you know, it's inevitable for all parties.

Speaker 1 But if you're going to look at decision-making processes that we've never seen before, obviously you're going to get memes. But I just saw what you're talking about, that clip getting memed.

Speaker 1 What if there is a Lou Holtz sighting at the field best for the national championship? And Lou Holtz hits a home run. What if Lou Holtz hits a home run for four straight quarters?

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, that meme, you got Lou Holtz up on there, you know, with the boys. I mean, that is, that'll certainly be used a lot on the internet, I think, to hype up things.
Could be, yeah.

Speaker 1 Is Lou Holtz going to be there?

Speaker 2 Do you know if we once again, there are whispers that he will be there, but he's got a bum left leg right now. So he needs to get that figured out.
If his leg feels better, he will be in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we know if Lou Holtz can get there, Coach Lou Holtz can get there, he will get there. Absolutely.
How'd he hurt his leg? He's an old man. Deadlifted.
Cold out there. Johnson.

Speaker 1 He's like hooping or it's so cool. Yeah, fishing.
Drop steps.

Speaker 2 Leg press, I believe.

Speaker 1 He was leg pressing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nice. Walk down to Venice Beach down there, Muscle Beach.
Exactly. Still working it.
Yep.

Speaker 14 I got one more bone to pick, though. Now, first of all, Lou Holt should he can't do.
I mean, I hope he can keep up with your play-by-play, McAfee. That was the best play-by-play call of the year.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 That was a. I saw a lot of people on the internet saying that.

Speaker 14 I was just holy awful announcings, writing articles, McAfee.

Speaker 1 Yeah, positive. Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 That is crazy from them. Legitimately, that's pretty wild for them.

Speaker 1 They've done a one-hour.

Speaker 14 Now, on hard knocks, though, and I want your guys' opinion on this, because I think we talk out of both sides of our mouths on this show.

Speaker 14 It's if the team, if hard knocks is boring, we have a boring training camp hard knocks, nothing edgy, you know, we're not showing anything, then it's.

Speaker 14 These shows are totally dictated and controlled by the teams. It's all propaganda.

Speaker 14 You don't need to watch it.

Speaker 8 It's bullshit.

Speaker 14 And then when we have a show like the Giants show, where it's great, you're seeing incredible shit that you've never seen before. And we're actually making groundbreaking television.

Speaker 14 It's, these teams are so stupid.

Speaker 14 And so we have certain people in our sports media

Speaker 14 who shall remain. nameless, certain aggregators and people like that, who have constructed a media, a narrative where they can never be wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 You either are an idiot for letting NFL Films in your house shoot this and put it on TV, or NFL Films is just a propaganda machine. And we all know that and that none of what you're seeing is real.

Speaker 14 And the reality is, is that Hard Knox is an awesome TV show. And that's why it's been on the air for 25 years.

Speaker 1 Amen.

Speaker 14 And like any TV show, there are good seasons, there are great seasons, and there are myth seasons. And it's based on like one season you have Chad Johnson.
One season you have Rex Ryan.

Speaker 14 This season we have Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh

Speaker 14 and,

Speaker 14 you know, defensive players of the year up and down the line and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow and Lamar.

Speaker 1 And cities and stories and rivalries and training. Yeah.
Yeah. It's a TV show.

Speaker 14 And it happens to show more things that you don't get to see anywhere else than any TV show in this business. And it does it in real time.
Two days after the game's on.

Speaker 1 Even one day after the game. Remember after Monday night, there was a Bengals clip on a Tuesday night show somehow from the Monday night.

Speaker 1 And I know how much all hands-on deck panic there is day of getting those shows on air too, because of how much, especially with four teams, you have four different groups, right, with each individual team.

Speaker 1 And then those teams all have thousands and hundreds of hours of shit. And then they got to write all it down.
And then it comes.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, we appreciate the amount of work that goes on over there. And I appreciate the fact that you're keeping up with the haters.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know what I mean? 28, 28 seasons in.

Speaker 1 Love it. God hangs.

Speaker 14 It's funny. We never never talk about it.
We don't respond. We let, you know, people.
NFL Films.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine if NFL Films came in? Please.

Speaker 14 Take the high road. This is,

Speaker 14 I've never, Ross and I were talking earlier. I said, I think I need to say some things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I appreciate that you're doing it because we've obviously known you guys for years. Hilarious moments of our.

Speaker 1 you know, business relationship and personal relationships with all parties involved over there. Hilarious.

Speaker 8 Some of my favorites.

Speaker 1 The best.

Speaker 14 Maybe, maybe maybe some of the best moments i've had in the last five years are when mcfee is um telling me things in no uncertain terms

Speaker 1 no uncertain terms i love the way that's being described one of our greatest moments in the thunderdome i was not happy with nfl films okay i thought we had a good partnership going let's get on the horn here immediately and i just i felt comfortable enough with you guys because you're football people i think that's another thing that's a big deal like a lot of places not all places a lot of places hire a social media person or a digital team that isn't football that aren't football people.

Speaker 1 They don't know football. They don't love football.
They don't live football. So I think they kind of get caught not knowing ball in certain situations, especially on the internet.

Speaker 1 You are all diehard football people. So when I chit chat with you, it does feel like I'm just talking to like some, like one of the boys.
Yeah. Like, hey, this can't be happening.
And

Speaker 1 you guys have been so good to us, legitimately. And I appreciate the fact that you've remained humans over there.
You know, because the NFL is this massive machine. You're in everything.

Speaker 1 You're in Netflix.

Speaker 1 You're on, you're on, obviously, HBO, Mox. Sorry.
You got stuff on ESPN. You got stuff on Amazon.
Amazon, yep. You got stuff.

Speaker 1 Every streaming platform you guys are doing business with and crushing it, it's like, it's a lot of shit you guys do. And you're talented content creators.

Speaker 1 If you guys were considered modern age, you're great content creators, I think, personally.

Speaker 8 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Good work ethic, too. You're not a bunch of lazy punks.
You know, I think that's a big deal, too.

Speaker 14 No, the people that are working here right now, and you can see it on their faces and in the bags under their eyes right now,

Speaker 14 like I said, this is the hardest we've ever worked this month right now.

Speaker 14 It's not doing this show.

Speaker 14 And look, it is a total privilege for us to, are you shitting me? We're at NFL Films and we're getting to do something we love. And we're filmmakers who love football.
It's in the title, NFL Films.

Speaker 14 And we get to document careers like AJ's and yours and Darius's. And Darius is here.
I saw Darius a few weeks ago in the studio.

Speaker 1 Every week. Yep.

Speaker 14 It's really an amazing place. You go downstairs today and Coach Belichick's down there with Ryan Clark and Chris Long and Chad doing shooting inside the NFL.

Speaker 14 And right now, Kelsey's down in the studio rehearsing for Friday night's episode of they call it late night.

Speaker 14 But, you know, already today, what we're figuring out is, you know, in the middle of all that. All right, now we're going to make a show about the Ravens this week.

Speaker 1 Can't wait to watch. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.
You're the best. Thank you for taking time.

Speaker 14 Hey, love you guys. Thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 We love you too, man. Keep doing it over here.
You know, keep doing it over here. And tell Ross he's a good guy.

Speaker 14 He's the best.

Speaker 14 We'll see you in New Orleans, maybe.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Super Bowl.
I forgot. That's happening.
Come to the next week. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Less than a month. Two weeks.

Speaker 6 Two weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Rumble. Hey, you hated them taking Super Wild Card Week, Super out of Super Wild Card Weekend?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 14 It run its course.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Go to hell, Keith.

Speaker 9 You're wrong, Keith.

Speaker 9 Bad way to end this, brother.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bad answer. The fuck? Why? Because Super Bowl? That's why? Super Bowl.
There's only one thing Super is a bowl right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it wasn't just Super Wild Card Weekend.

Speaker 1 It was Super Wild Card Weekend. I forgot that.

Speaker 1 Three use. Exactly.
And the Super Bowl is super because it's so fucking massive. Yeah, it was Super Wildcard Weekend, Super because of how super it is.
Yeah, because it's a super experience.

Speaker 14 Nothing super about this wildcard weekend.

Speaker 9 Jeez.

Speaker 1 Box Commanders is a very story. Box Commander.

Speaker 14 That was a great game. Good performances.

Speaker 14 We need four good games this weekend.

Speaker 1 Performances and crop and not super. Filmmaker.
These are filmmakers right here.

Speaker 1 This guy. And we're lucky that you're doing it for the NFL.
You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Keith Kosrow.

Speaker 1 Keith Kosrow, friend of the program.

Speaker 1 He's had to do battle for us a couple times, obviously. Good luck.
Throughout our relationship with the NFL over the last few years.

Speaker 1 You know, I negotiated the first ever social media rights so we could air their footage on our show on digitally, you know, just strictly digitally, because a lot of networks obviously get digital rights whenever they air games and then they get daily content for their TV shows.

Speaker 1 But whenever they post on social media, they would have to put a picture over the footage because they didn't have digital or social media rights to to it now

Speaker 1 i felt obligated because our show is an nfl show and our show had the presence it had in football when it was just on the internet which we are incredibly thankful for and appreciative of but i felt obligated like hey i'm kind of

Speaker 1 i'm using your shit i feel like i should pay you for this i feel like this should be a working relationship you know like you guys can help us so we negotiated a deal was the first ever yada yada it was pretty cool it was pretty cool then obviously you look around the internet and everybody's just stealing their shit you know like literally just stealing their clips putting it out there talking a lot of shit against the nfl which he was talking about narratives and everything like that and it's like oh i'm not what are we and they're like well we tried playing whack-a-mole it's just not possible with how everything's going so like our relationship with the nfl has literally and nfl films has molded so much we've been through a lot of things together they've always been good to us They've always been good to us.

Speaker 1 And they care about the NFL, man. They, they, they really.

Speaker 11 They protect the shield.

Speaker 1 A lot. I mean, that is like, they feel like they are serving the NFL basically.
Like, hey, we are here. And that's the Sables passed it down, obviously, in this entirety.

Speaker 3 The best. They're good to us.

Speaker 3 When it comes to like the major leagues, like, if you think about, you know, baseball or basketball, hockey, like the NFL, you can, like, they had Hank Strom, like, you know, all those years ago, Chiefs, JJ said that they matriculating the ball down the field.

Speaker 3 Like, you look at that, like the quality on that, the audio, the visual on that, and then obviously all the way up until now, like.

Speaker 1 Class of their own. It's not crop when they make it.
No. Not crop.
They're in a lot. They got their hands on a lot of stuff, though.

Speaker 1 Inside the the nfl they said is that tuesday nights now it was friday nights

Speaker 1 i see

Speaker 1 i see clips

Speaker 11 and they just throw kelsey's late night show on top of everything like how many do they have to hire a lot more people and all these different teams they're covering now and then bill everything bill does is through yeah the nfl films people sure sounds like no one's signing up for the yep john

Speaker 1 type part knox though said if you can maybe get the word out there we're trying to do this

Speaker 1 you guys reach out to gms you know you bean would would be awesome on there up in Buffalo. Yeah, Bean.
Beach.

Speaker 1 They seemingly got their culture already figured out, but I think Bills fans would be like, we don't need to be telling everybody.

Speaker 11 Look how paranoid everybody is. Most people in the NFL are so paranoid.

Speaker 11 They don't want their process out there.

Speaker 1 That might be why

Speaker 1 Mara gave Shane and Dable another opportunity. Like, hey, you guys didn't really have a chance.
I fucked it. You had cameras in every fucking room.
I mean, that's...

Speaker 1 The Giants were certainly on display front center for a brand new show, but we look like the worst people on earth.

Speaker 1 And I assume you guys were acting a little differently potentially because there's a camera, PTZ, pan-tilt zoom. They can catch the entire room staring at you as you're about to.

Speaker 1 All right, I got faith that you're not going to fucking air me out here.

Speaker 1 Appreciate it. What did they leave off? Oh, great question.
I can't imagine.

Speaker 11 I mean, when they're having personal conversations, like when you call your wife on the phone, like the camera's still there. I guarantee you it's not going off.

Speaker 1 So you got in a bathroom? Because that's like the classic.

Speaker 11 They can at least hear it. I'm sure they could hear it.

Speaker 15 If an exec has a bathroom right off his office you can at least hear the dump going through the door yeah they they were blasting music at times but then in one episode uh dable started playing music on his phone and then nfl films just like got the rights and started playing the song so

Speaker 1 oh is that right check check good move check mate we'll run it It actually makes the scene much better. Thank you for that.
I love that he said,

Speaker 1 you know, some of these teams are kind of obligated, mandated to be a part of it. We're not welcomed guests in a lot of these places.
Think about just having to talk to all those football people.

Speaker 1 Hey, everything you say and do is going to be monitored by somebody in a truck out here.

Speaker 1 Do your thing. Then walking out.

Speaker 1 It's so true. Have you done a hard knocks? I did an all or nothing.
With the Cardinals, with the Primes. Mm-hmm.
Which is what they were referring to about doing the in-season. It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 And like, literally, every, like, the players are like

Speaker 1 doing this to the camera. I was like, they don't want, like, nobody wants them there.

Speaker 1 Nobody wants them. They didn't season them.
They didn't either. Like, a few of those teams, when, you know, people make comments, like, yeah, I mean, they have to be there.
So, yeah.

Speaker 1 And AJ's so right about the paranoid stuff. Like, you think about how many times you've been at practice and just, like, a Southwest flight goes over top of you, and they're like, who's that?

Speaker 1 They filming? Yep.

Speaker 1 Helicopter. Are they filming? Who is that? Yep.
Spike. Shoot them down.

Speaker 1 That's what it is. Jeez, Louise.
I don't know about Southwest flights. Coaches.
Those certain, those low, those

Speaker 1 little Cessna ones. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Helicopter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, chopper goes overhead. What is that? Hot air balloon? The Chiefs, right? Chiefs are definitely filming us there.
Bill Belichick's using a hot air balloon. We're on to your shit.

Speaker 1 Shut the practice down. It's going inside.
Let's get a roof on this thing. We got eyes overhead.
A couple bogies watching in from another NFL team. And instead, NFL Films goes, we got you.

Speaker 1 We're going to film everything. Nobody else will film it.
We'll film it. And then they're the only ones that have access to the vault.
So like they're the ones making a lot of decisions.

Speaker 1 You know, I think you were going to, somebody was going to ask about being mic'd up in those decisions. Whenever he said we followed your career to me, I was like, I never was mic'd up.

Speaker 1 Was asked one time, I said, no chance, please. No, no, I don't want to.
And there's not a lot of players that just want to be mic'd up. So centers have to be.

Speaker 1 Either center or quarterback or center TV.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's for TV. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
So you're mic'd up every time I've talked to you on a sideline? Great.

Speaker 1 Thanks for doing it all.

Speaker 1 It's just automatic. Yeah, of course.
So I guess I should remember that in the moment about your life. Now you know.
Every game. Every center.
Not one time.

Speaker 1 Well, it's not through the team. It's just automatic through the league.
It's like, narc. Yeah.
Yeah, okay, so great. Think about how many things I've said.
Oh, I know. I'm not worried.
I can imagine.

Speaker 1 I can imagine. I'm not worried.
I'm worried. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That is the thing that everybody says about NFL films is like they got everything. They got everything on everybody.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You're mic'd up and you say, this coach sucks. Oh, yeah.
Fuck this guy. Yeah.
Imagine they just clip that, send that to the coach. This general manager, what a fucking doofus.
Why is this guy playing?

Speaker 11 How about the coaches that are always mic'd up in these big games?

Speaker 11 Now you find out later, like, if I was the coach, I don't think, I don't want to be mic'd up and like have them hear what I'm saying in the locker room and the sidelines.

Speaker 11 Like, you say some irrational stuff in the heat of competition that you don't, you probably don't mean, but it might sound weird out of context.

Speaker 1 Amen. When the Patriots played the Giants two years ago, Jabril Peppers went up to Saquon and he said, like, because Saquon was mic'd up.
He said, you're, you guys are lucky we're ass this year.

Speaker 1 And that was a huge deal in New England because of the fact that, like, Jabril Peppers is basically saying, like, yeah, we fucking stink. And people were so pissed that that got out.

Speaker 1 And if you think about the scale of things that could be said, like, that's nothing compared to compared to what some shit might be said about, like, a coach or a GM or an owner or something like that.

Speaker 1 The ghost thing with Sam Donald. That was, what was that, Monday Night Football? They hate that.
Same thing. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 NFL Films because live in real time, NFL Films, there's always an NFL Films representative whenever things are happening, whenever like deals are getting done or a broadcast is taking place.

Speaker 1 I assume live in a moment that getting out immediately afterwards, like, can we run some shit by it? Like, what do we, yeah, they don't like making people look better.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, that in season or off-season with the Giants made everybody,

Speaker 1 I like his seller. They're talking about his process.

Speaker 1 And in the moment, you can debate whether or not it was a good decision.

Speaker 1 There's people that say it was a good decision. I'm like, it was.
We saw. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I know he said they didn't like how the in-season ended, but as a fan, I liked watching, like, after the Dolphins lost, lost, I was super pissed off.

Speaker 9 But then you watch that the week after, and it was like a cool wrap-up of the season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're going to make magic. Hey, congrats, NFL Films.
You did your thing. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Continuing to do it. Yeah, Phil bringing it.
Bringing booms all the time. I love the heat Lombo gets on this show and just fucking pisses off everybody.
I love it.

Speaker 2 He's also at NFL Films with Belichick doing that podcast every week.

Speaker 1 So Lombo's looking in the back. Yeah.
I saw somebody laughing.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say that. I mean, I mean, seriously.
Seriously, you got fucking producers laughing every day.

Speaker 1 We expect. And then the NFL films, you're probably like, Lombo, what? We're not laughing.
We're letting you in the building. We're laughing at something completely different.
We're doing a comedy.

Speaker 1 We're doing a comedy in here in Lombo. Sorry.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 Yeah, filming late night with whatever the fuck Jason Kelsey's late night show is called.

Speaker 1 Late night live, right?

Speaker 1 They call it late night.

Speaker 11 I didn't see the second one. I missed the second episode.
I only saw the first.

Speaker 1 I saw some clips. I think Kylie was sick.
Yeah, Bo Allen. Fill it in.
Bo legend, right? He's a monster.

Speaker 11 Bo's a monster.

Speaker 1 Absolute legend. Saw some clips.

Speaker 1 I think I appreciate the late night. I do.

Speaker 1 But I think a lot of people are probably just watching clips of this thing, which is what all late night television kind of became. Late night television has become clips for YouTube to live forever.

Speaker 1 Back in the day, late night was very, very important.

Speaker 1 I actually wrote a paper and did research on late night television as a whole in college whenever I was interning at Mountaineer Sports Network with murph rest in peace absolute legend over there west virginia all the way back to johnny carson and all the decisions that were made you know cohen and jay lent the whole the whole thing all of it yeah i i mean i i really researched it because i thought it was awesome because i remember i wasn't somebody that could fall asleep easy so i watched late night on a very regular basis.

Speaker 1 I appreciated the way like Letterman was able to interview and Craig Ferguson was off the cuff, seemingly ripped up with the paper and throw it out and everything.

Speaker 1 I appreciated the zaniness, you know, the entertainment level. The interviews used to actually be like conversations as opposed to scripted Q ⁇ As that, you know, lead to absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 And the market used to be like, you needed to watch these shows to see certain things.

Speaker 1 Now with the way social media is kind of just taking over and content is everywhere, it's like they understand that.

Speaker 1 And obviously there's a live audience for it who are going to watch their late night or late, late night or whatever it is because they've done it or they're not good sleepers or they're up late at night.

Speaker 1 But a majority of that is just trying to make clips. just trying to create clips.
And I think that's how I'm falling. They call it late night with Jason Kelsey.

Speaker 1 But Friday 1 a.m. is a tough time slot.
Tough scout. It's a tough time slot live, you know, if that's what it is.

Speaker 1 But I think he always wanted to be a late night show host, which completely makes sense because what late night show used to be. So I respect and appreciate that Jason Kelsey's doing it.

Speaker 1 I think he's a guy that can do it. And obviously, I assume he's enjoying the shit out of it because you're doing a lot of shit that you don't normally do in the football world.
I saw it on ESPN Plus.

Speaker 1 Like when I went to watch Bruins game, like I saw the tale. To watch back.
To watch back. Yeah.
So there's still other ways to do it. Which is also good.
Yeah. Watching it back.

Speaker 1 what's that called? On demand, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know if they put it on Disney Plus. Like, they should put it there, too.
It is. I've seen it on there.
And I think they put it on his YouTube. Yep, they do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so everybody's talking about like the live times at 1 a.m. It's like, that's a tough,

Speaker 1 that's going to be a tough spot to never get. I think in this modern age, I think that is going to be a tough spot.
But all the other shit, getting access to it is the only thing that matters.

Speaker 1 And I've seen clips of him. I enjoy the fact that he's doing it.
Yes. You know?

Speaker 1 That's like Peyton. Peyton does so much shit.
Yeah. How about they're doing the kick of destiny? Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Peyton with a mustache doing the whole action. They look awesome.
Yeah, he'll go all in. They will go all in on some shit.
They're not scared. No.

Speaker 11 What happened last year? Did Gronk make the kick last year? I don't think he's made it yet. I don't think he's made it yet.
What's the one that looked like he made it? When was that?

Speaker 1 He looked like he made it, but he didn't.

Speaker 11 That was the first one.

Speaker 8 That was the first one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pickleball. Who moved it? Out in the middle of the desert.

Speaker 1 I think it looked like it was good, and then

Speaker 1 they celebrated. They did.
Everyone went fucking nuts. It was five big booms.
It was five big booms from the Gronks. And then, real quick, from the opposite side of the refs.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I think I missed this one.

Speaker 1 And Vinny trained him on. Everybody said, Don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Vinny was there. Yeah.
I was on, let's go, Gronk. You missed.
Eli will make it.

Speaker 1 I've seen Eli hit a golf ball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think he can make the kick.

Speaker 2 They should have AJ Buffumo kick it.

Speaker 1 Who's that?

Speaker 2 Costco guy.

Speaker 1 Big Boom AJ, right? Big Boom Age. Big Costco?

Speaker 3 They should have him kick it. Is he back? Is he off aisle? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He has a broken foot. Remember, wrestle.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he still does. I think he's got Wolverine Blood.

Speaker 1 I think he's pretty quick healed. Of course.

Speaker 1 I don't know which one you're talking about. You're talking about the dad of the son.
Big Costco. Big Costco.
Yeah. How's he still bringing it? Still bringing it.

Speaker 1 I think they need to

Speaker 2 kind of triangulate and tighten up

Speaker 2 the cameos that they decide to send to people. But outside of that.

Speaker 1 I saw that one about the brother. Oh, yeah.
Yep. Pretty awesome.
I believe there's a new song.

Speaker 3 Have you seen it? I didn't see that one.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was. It was family member.
I think it was Brother. It was brother.

Speaker 2 So sorry to hear about your brother who just passed away. He gets five big booms.

Speaker 1 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And there's your cameo.
And then that video.

Speaker 1 That video has been taken and used for other tweets on X. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They got a new song coming out today. Some of those cameos.
Can't wait.

Speaker 1 First of all, can't wait. Today, I believe it's called

Speaker 1 Breaking It. No, no, Breaking the Boom Meter, I think it's called.
Oh, okay, sweet. I can't wait to hear it.
I do appreciate that. The people on Cameo,

Speaker 1 I think they should be a little bit more selective on what they, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cameo has got people. The Atticon.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Just a little bit more selective. Get a request.
I got to do it, though. You know, I get a request.
They want to do it, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen too many cameos that I don't think

Speaker 1 I was supposed to see. And that is,

Speaker 1 that's part of the problem. Good gimmick, though, Cameo had there for a bit.
Are they still bringing it? Still bringing it. I think they're still bringing it.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 What's old Buddy's name that was Professional Baumgartner?

Speaker 11 Brian Baumgartner is killing down there. Still.

Speaker 1 The lives have definitely hurt them, though. Because you can just go on to

Speaker 1 a live stream and pay them to say something.

Speaker 1 Interesting. So it's immediate.
It's not going through the whole process.

Speaker 1 Speaking of live streaming, you see

Speaker 1 Speed do the backflip? On the hand of God. Is that real?

Speaker 11 That was real?

Speaker 1 I think it is. With him? With what?

Speaker 1 That dude is so athletic.

Speaker 1 He is so fucking athletic. It is absurd how athletic that dude is.
Just watching him. he's trying different shit.
Obviously, he's a full-scent guy all the time. I'm not full setting the group.

Speaker 1 He is, we're talking, he's 100 miles an hour all the time. I respect it, appreciate it.
Do you know how much juice you have to have just to be streamed? Just like sitting there?

Speaker 1 Him and Kai, what they're doing, I think they're the ones that introduced me to it. I assume there's been other video game streamers that have obviously existed, but just doing life

Speaker 1 and being streamed, like, obviously it could be green screen, but the amount of people that have posted this, I don't think so. And with how athletic this dude is,

Speaker 1 i think exactly i believe it's real and uh they're weapons but i think there's a lot of people that are gonna be like i'm gonna be a streamer it's like

Speaker 1 speed is special and then they're gonna fall right off the hand and die unfortunately that was that selfie what was that uh the planking thing got a lot of people remember there's people planking on shit dying

Speaker 1 and then there was the uh uh there was some selfie got the top of the building or something right started falling

Speaker 1 what was the other one the pokemon yeah pokemon gotta catch them all yeah people were walking right off fucking cliffs Grand Canyon. What? Trending get up.

Speaker 11 That's on them. That's on them.

Speaker 1 Well, all these things people would say.

Speaker 1 What was the TikTok? There was a TikTok where people were next to trains or something. Which, once again...

Speaker 11 Once again. On train tracks?

Speaker 2 Who do you think started that trend?

Speaker 1 Fucking training. Ji, Jing, Jing Ping.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 TikTok's over Sunday.

Speaker 1 We're bringing it up so much, just like we have been bringing it up for like a couple months, because we're saying, hey, somebody's going to figure this out. Somebody with a lot of money.

Speaker 1 It's going to take a while. Give the amount of money that's going to take.

Speaker 1 That generation might just blow up.

Speaker 6 But you're buying it from China.

Speaker 11 Is China going to actually give total control?

Speaker 1 I think they would have to, right? To exist. I don't know why.
Okay. Okay.
They'll always have a back door.

Speaker 3 It's encoding.

Speaker 1 What are you saying? Okay.

Speaker 1 Well, you don't play with.

Speaker 11 I'm just saying, what do you say? If you're, if you're so worried that they're spying and all this stuff, you're telling me, hey, you find some guy with $50 billion, some group.

Speaker 11 China's like, okay, here you go. You have all the keys.
We don't have any control with any of it.

Speaker 1 That would be very, that'd be cool then. It would be.
That's good business.

Speaker 11 That'd be nice. That seems like they would do that.

Speaker 1 China does that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are you saying? There's no answers? No. Is that what you guys are saying? I'm saying TikTok's gone, and I'm pumped.
It's not. Fuck talk.

Speaker 3 How many users. What?

Speaker 1 Not, not talk.

Speaker 1 Fuck TikTok. All right.
You're saying potential,

Speaker 1 what it's doing behind the scenes for you. Yeah, exactly.
Not all the people that are on TikTok.

Speaker 3 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Not our beloved. No, not our beloved talk

Speaker 1 of Fairfield Stack alumni. I'm saying more so what it could be doing.

Speaker 1 It's in black and white. Look at that.
Look at that. Black and white.
Change the hands to midday.

Speaker 1 Memorialized already. I don't know.
Five big RI booms. Yeah, exactly.
R.I. Boom.
R.I. Boom.
Boom. R.I.
Boom. Boom.
R.I. Boom.
Boom.

Speaker 1 R.I.

Speaker 1 Boom.

Speaker 3 Rest in booms. Rest in booms.

Speaker 1 All right, Reels. Let's get it going.
Let's get it going, Reels.

Speaker 1 Need you.

Speaker 1 Remember back in the day when everybody was a social media expert?

Speaker 1 If you actually have a longer video like this, you take up more space on a timeline. It's more likely that they'll stop and watch your video.

Speaker 1 So instead of the square, kind of make the more longer one if you could do that.

Speaker 1 That'll actually work. And my only answer was, can all these platforms just fucking get together and say we need one dim or all of it? Yep.
I'm like, no, that's what makes it special. And obviously.

Speaker 1 Okay. Thank you so much.
Speaking of special, all year, we've been able to ride alongside a super offensive line brain as we were judging the top five offensive lines each week.

Speaker 1 Not over their work as a whole, just the performance from the previous weekend. Then there was the top five O-lines of the entire season.
And congratulations to the

Speaker 1 Philadelphia Eagles offensive line to won the trenchy.

Speaker 1 The long-haired trenchy. That's the coolest one.
And now we will go to the official power rankings of the Authority on Offensive Line Play.

Speaker 1 Let's go to the OG in the trenches power rankings of all the offensive lines still left in the NFL playoffs. Hey, Gouch, can you break down this power rankings for us, please? Absolutely.

Speaker 1 We will start with the worst of the remaining teams. That is the Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 Top eight team in the NFL. Yes, they are.
But the Houston Texans have been running the ball,

Speaker 1 not because of their offensive line, but because their running back is damn good in spite of their offensive line. Okay, so the Texans, obviously, number eight.
Then you got the Commanders.

Speaker 1 That's a big win. They just got to get the Bucs.
Big win. They had 30 yards rushing.
Now, some of that might have to do with the fact that the Bucs defensive line is pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 But this has been a trend the last half of the season. And they've gotten away from running the football.

Speaker 1 Sam Cosmy, right guard, pretty good player, struggled a little bit the last couple weeks in pass protection. I'm a little worried about the old commanders against the line.

Speaker 1 Los Angeles Rams come in at sixth. Puka said he messed up that play that that whole thing happened.
Was that the determiner? Was that particular play for the offensive line?

Speaker 1 Because Puka said it was on him, not the big boys. Yeah, that was not on the left tackle.
Puka definitely took out half the line, but that's okay. The Rams actually have been playing better.

Speaker 1 They typically only run one scheme, and it's duo, so you're getting two yards and a cloud of dust almost every single play. Okay, so let's go to number five.

Speaker 1 They're back-to-back Super Bowl chompion Chiefs offensive line getting some love. Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're there because of their interior three. Now, granted, Tooney moves out the left tackle, but I love Tooney.
I love Creed Humphrey. I I love Trey Smith.
They got Tooney out to left tackle.

Speaker 1 Concerns me a little bit. They got Taylor at right tackle.
Don't love the tackles. I think that is going to be their kryptonite like it was in 2020.

Speaker 1 Okay, number four ranked offensive line here as we head into the division round. The Buffalo Bills offensive line.
That's what we're talking about. We got the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 I think we got some clips of these final four, the Buffalo Bills. Here's what I love about them.
Deion Dawkins, we talk about him. Their whole offensive line, pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 The reason they became great this year, Spencer Brown. Let's take a look at the right tackle here.
Learning from Deion Dawkins. We've talked about the chop.
Boom. Throw his ass on the ground.

Speaker 1 Opens up great pass protection down the field. You get the big chunk play.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You need to be able to protect if you want to get the explosive, which is the determining stat on this particular season, seemingly. Josh Allen can huck it everywhere if you give him the time.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the Beatles offensive line able to do that. Fewest sacks allowed.
That's why I wanted to showcase a pass protection rep.

Speaker 1 Instead of a run, because you've judged everybody else on the run game. Okay, that's right.
The number three offensive line remaining. You love this group, the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 1 Baltimore Ravens, we got another clip here. You're going to take a look.
You got Derrick Henry in the Wildcat. You got Likely lined up to his left.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to send Lamar Jackson in motion. You'll see whenever Lamar goes in motion.
DB over the top. There he goes.
Just vacated a space. Derrick Henry in the open field.

Speaker 1 Stiff arm on Minka. Get the fuck out of here.
Keep it moving. Jeez, that's tough for the Pittsburgh Steelers fans to watch time and time again.

Speaker 1 But the run game is such a vital part of this Baltimore Ravens offense. Lamar's able to spin it too.
So if you run well and you move bodies, they have to respect it. Put bodies in the box.

Speaker 1 And then what? Aqush? You run it at them. No, you throw the ball outside.
No, you run it at them. Okay, well, that's what it is.
We want to keep running the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's what the Ravens need to do going forward. But the run game has helped Lamar, I think, as well.
We have number four. He's having his best shot.
300 yards running, though.

Speaker 1 I just keep running. Okay, number two offensive line remaining in the divisional round.
The Detroit Lions with a first-round buy.

Speaker 1 They come in at number two, and we pulled a clip from earlier in the season. Love this play against

Speaker 1 the Indianapolis Colts. We got a zone play to the left.

Speaker 3 Good jersey.

Speaker 1 I love it. We got condensed splits over here.
You're going to send St. Brown back across as a decoy.
It holds the safety just enough, and you can run a truck through that big gaping hole.

Speaker 1 They were the number one offensive line a lot of different weeks before they were in the trenches. They were number one at the end of the season, though.

Speaker 1 Even though Ragnow, the center is playing with a torn tit. Yeah.
Beast.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. Penn Aisel.
Dog. Dog.
Freak. They've built through the offensive line.
Jared Goff, obviously, reaping the benefit.

Speaker 1 And then the number one offensive line is the same offensive line that was the number one all year. The Philadelphia Eagles.
How come?

Speaker 1 Because they're so good across the board, literally from left tackle to right tackle. They are so good.
They got Pro Bowlers and all pros almost everywhere.

Speaker 1 Replaced an all-pro center with another Pro Bowl center. So, I mean, they just got everybody clicking up front.
And when you look at this clip, this was the final clip. Who's filming this? Oh,

Speaker 1 this is Christ. Some assistants.

Speaker 1 What is going on? What the fuck?

Speaker 1 We got Connor Stallion? I'm getting it.

Speaker 1 Check this play out. Okay.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as we get it. We're going to get there.
No, motion shaking. Yeah, what is it? Shaking in the middle of the seat.
Michael J. Fox.
Shaking in the middle of the seat.

Speaker 1 But so this play right here, right? So if we go back to the beginning real quick, if we can, this is the play that we saw where he slid down and ended the game.

Speaker 1 But this play, the reason why I wanted to show this, this is what they love to do. They go two tights and they're going to go lead.
So you're going to pull the backside guard.

Speaker 1 You're going to pull the backside rapper and he's going to kick out, wrap, boom. And then this is the hole.

Speaker 1 If you guys recall the two 70-yard runs that he hit against the Rams earlier in the season, exact same play. That's their bread and butter.

Speaker 1 Okay, they got a bread and butter, and they're able to be dominating every single week.

Speaker 1 Congrats to the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line being the number one offensive line remaining and also the number one offensive line in the entire league this season in AQ Shipley's eyes.

Speaker 1 Now let's go to your top eight power ranking teams. Okay,

Speaker 1 and bang, at number eight is the Commanders. Number one's the Ravens.
Number six is the Eagles. What is that all about?

Speaker 1 What is that all about?

Speaker 1 Obviously, Ravens, number one team left in AQ's eyes. Then the Lions, Bills, Chiefs, the back-to-back Super Bowl, Champs at four.
Rams, Eagles at six, even though they're number one offensive line.

Speaker 1 I thought that's how we decide games. And then number seven, Texans, and number eight, the commanders.
Why are the Eagles at six, even though the offensive line?

Speaker 1 So you look at the Ravens, the Lions, the Bills, and the Chiefs. They were basically in that exact order, two, three, four, five.
And then obviously the Eagles were at number one.

Speaker 1 The reason I have the Eagles at number one is because offensive coordinator and quarterbacks are

Speaker 1 at number six. I'm sorry.
They are not on the same page.

Speaker 1 And so when I look at this, I don't think that whenever Jalen Hurts and this offensive coordinator and Kellen Moore have to win a game throwing the ball, I don't think their pass schemes are consistent enough.

Speaker 1 And I do not think the coordinator is calling enough consistent plays for them to win it. Because in the playoffs, you can't just run the ball, run the ball, run the ball.

Speaker 1 You're going to have to win it with the quarterback at some point. And I think that is why.
And by the way, they're playing against a Rams team

Speaker 1 with McVay, who's going to come into town with a hell of a game plan.

Speaker 1 He's going to control the clock on offense, keep this offense off the field, and they're going to need to make a place, and that is why I have them there.

Speaker 1 They've got a great defensive line, even though the Eagles' offensive line is fantastic.

Speaker 1 We just saw the Rams D-line young and hungry, and I heard they bark every time they get in the facility from Puka Nakua today.

Speaker 1 That's quite a fall from Gray Center for the Eagles from their offensive line to the team that they're remaining.

Speaker 1 Commanders, number eight, you're saying they shouldn't have beat the Bucs, or are you just saying it's a tough spot to beat them and the Texans? Tough spot.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're seven, I mean, seven, eight between Texans commanders. It's just, I mean, now the commanders got to go play the Lions.
Good luck. Cool.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to all these teams being the final eight. I do think, I do think the winner of that Ravens-Bills team goes to the Super Bowl out of the AFC.
Wow. No longer a three-peat on the desk.

Speaker 1 I do not see it. I sure hope so.

Speaker 1 Why? Because you don't want them to do something that the Patriots weren't able to do. You nailed it.

Speaker 1 I like it. Selfish reason.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, three in five years. What do you say?

Speaker 3 I like witnessing history.

Speaker 8 Me too. Me too.
Me too.

Speaker 1 I don't mind greatness. Wouldn't hate seeing it.
I would just prefer, you know, one of those other four teams to win. I think it'd be cool.
What is your guys' thoughts on me putting the Eagles at six?

Speaker 1 I thought that was like quite a shot at exactly what you said. Because if you think the offensive line is number one

Speaker 1 and you say it's all pros across the board, literally all season, the conversation has been whoever has the best offensive line is going to win the game. That's kind of how it's been.

Speaker 1 And then you drop them not to two, not to three,

Speaker 1 not to four, not to five to number six. You're basically saying the offensive line could win the goddamn whole thing, but everything else needs to figure out.
That's what I thought it was going to be.

Speaker 1 That's exactly where I went. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a shocker, though, wasn't it? Whenever we saw these graphics.

Speaker 11 Dano,

Speaker 11 does that go in with what Dano said, that he doesn't blame the receivers for not getting open? He blames, what, Jalen and the coordinator?

Speaker 1 I think that's a lot to do with it. I think when you watch the film, that's the thing that jumps out at you.

Speaker 1 And I'm also playing into the fact that the Rams and McVay are coming to town, and McVay is an absolute genius. You give him two weeks to prepare.

Speaker 1 He definitely was preparing for this matchup as he rested the starters in week 18. How about...

Speaker 1 How about the Philadelphia Eagles fans, though? Yeah. They're ready for a Super Bowl.
No. The fans are awesome.
The fans are awesome. Their offensive line is awesome.
Their running back is awesome.

Speaker 1 The receivers.

Speaker 1 Fans aren't all. Defense is unbelievable.

Speaker 1 There's one particular fan who no longer has a job. I've already heard about that as well.

Speaker 1 Jays Louise. Hey.
Jays Louise. That's bad mojo.
Big Dom took care of him. He did.
Then he found out who he was.

Speaker 1 Removed his employment from the place of work and his guts from the place. Sent the lady a bunch of Packer stuff.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 1 Removed his fucking heart from his chest, too. I didn't know Big Dom did that in 2025.
There's a chance.

Speaker 1 Alleged. Think about that guy.
How many times in his life has he's just like that guy? What is he? A Baltimore Ravens fan? Yeah. He's just starting knocking people up.

Speaker 1 I never lose. Yeah.
It's like, Jesus Christ,

Speaker 1 how many times has this guy done that? Put people to sleep. Yeah.
Now he's going to jail. I think he's going to jail too.
He's got a long time. Jail jail.

Speaker 3 He better still be bringing it.

Speaker 1 In jail? Yeah.

Speaker 1 He said he never loses. I think he's going to get tested.
I think that record's up for grabs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 He'll get some reps.

Speaker 1 He certainly will. All right.
Speaking of reps,

Speaker 1 all season we've gotten smarter on the defensive side of the ball with a man who co-hosts every single Monday through Wednesday. He's also on the sideline during the field pass with us.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for everything DB. Good D, Bad D, out of.

Speaker 1 Regular ass wild card weekend with Darius Budler. Here we go.

Speaker 3 Here we go. So my four favorite plays from super WoW.

Speaker 1 Oh, I like that. We're back.
Weekend. These are super plays.
Good plays, four good ones.

Speaker 3 And then we got one bad deal here as well. First one, Derek Stingley Jr.
made the all-everything DB team. This is him.
Quarters coverage across the back. You see the umbrella.

Speaker 3 And just watch him at the bottom of the screen. Double move.
He takes a double move on top of it. Gets his head back.
Just like last week when I chose some plays.

Speaker 3 Never panics with the ball in the air. And that's big for a cornerback.
I love corners that kind of turn into the receiver. Peaks, fills the receiver, head back.
back, boom, goes up and gets it.

Speaker 3 This was one of his two interceptions. The second one was a tip.
This one was kind of an underthrow, but he's in great position. I don't care where this ball was thrown.
24 was making a play on it.

Speaker 3 And his running mate, Kamari Lasseter, on the other side. In college, he only had one interception, I think I heard on the call.

Speaker 3 So rarely do guys that aren't ball hawks in college become ball hawks in the NFL, but he's been tremendous at getting his hands on the football here.

Speaker 3 You see Justin Herbert rolling out to his right, throwing across his body to Quentin Johnston. And he goes up, keeps his leverage.
Yeah, keeps his leverage. So he's outside leverage.
Fake post corner.

Speaker 3 Keeps his leverage. In phase, gets his head back.
Goes up. High points.

Speaker 3 Snatch the ball out there.

Speaker 1 Teach tape right there. That's the combine drill.

Speaker 3 Teach tape. So obviously he did the tough part.
And then finishing that play, creating that turnover. One of four

Speaker 3 interceptions. Shout out to Lasseter.

Speaker 1 Hey, JJ Watts talking about that defense. He's like very excited.
You can see he's like very excited to talk about them. Both corners seem to be locked down.

Speaker 1 If you can, if you got that, you're in a great place.

Speaker 3 That helps tremendously, especially with the guys up front getting after the quarterback where they won't be comfortable.

Speaker 3 Potentially, the only way they can win this game against the Chiefs is getting after Patrick Mahomes, exposing whoever's replacing Tooney inside, and then maybe Tooney on the outside.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine the Chiefs? Oh,

Speaker 1 just gotta get in. I couldn't actually lose to the Texans.

Speaker 1 I can't. Can't vision.
Can't see it. I can lose it.
Did you watch that clip right there? It was awesome. Awesome.
Yeah. I mean, that was.
It was awesome. And then Stingley is just so natural.

Speaker 1 Just give me the ball.

Speaker 3 And their pass rush?

Speaker 1 Very talented. D'Amico brings it.

Speaker 3 Yes. Their offensive line is crap.

Speaker 2 Absolutely stinks.

Speaker 1 Just a little bit of a. The offensive line stinks.
Yeah, a little bit of a difference.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Defensively, tremendous.

Speaker 1 So with those Chiefs. Oh, you're talking about just Andy Reid,

Speaker 1 the whole thing. Talking about Pat Mahomes here.
Yeah. Talking about Travis Kelsey.
Yeah. I remember him stopping by the program the other day.
Very kind of.

Speaker 1 Also, D-Hop Revenge game. Just thought of that.

Speaker 1 definitely Chiefs against the Texans, back of balls. Is that what it was? Yeah,

Speaker 1 over to the Chargers. David J.

Speaker 1 I knew they needed a washing machine. I called him up.

Speaker 1 Jackie Moon. He needs to be.
You know, he's doing the elf. Yeah.
He's doing the ELF. He needs to just be Jackie Moon at every NBA game.
The NBA should be paying him

Speaker 1 to just go and just go to games. Ratings are down.
Well, there's a chance Jackie Moon plays tonight. How about that? Fucking free corn dogs.
I go to every Pacers game. Good idea.

Speaker 1 We lose to the Cavaliers last night, I don't know if you're sure. It's going to happen.
Yeah, especially without Tyrese. He'll be hella back, right? Exactly.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be worried about it to the playoffs. Pacers are a hot team.
Speaking of hot, let's go to some more good D on everything DB from Darius Paul.

Speaker 3 Yeah, speaking of hot team, hot defense. Philadelphia Eagles, great.
Another great cornerback tandem here. You got Quinyon Mitchell down to the bottom.
Quintana Mobe been locking shit up as a rookie.

Speaker 3 And then the old head, triple OG, big play Slay on the other side. This is a teach tape rep.
Just got a straight takeoff route, straight goal ball here.

Speaker 3 He's in position off corner, little double move, sits, gets his head around, boop, falls right in his number two. This is called leaning and locating.

Speaker 3 You see it here, boom, settles the feet, get back, feels it, wicks it a little on top, in phase.

Speaker 1 You see that little arm grab there, that little left,

Speaker 3 boom, little joust, get away with it, boom, catch it. That's a tough catch to make.
Old head is still doing it at a high, high level. Slay is playing at a high level.

Speaker 3 Mitchell's playing at a high level. Cooper DeGene, all these guys on that back end are tied in.

Speaker 3 They did lose in a Kobe Dean, which kind of showed some bad tackling kind of showed up on tape once he left the game. So I'm interested to see who replaces him.
Will they put Young Trotter in there or

Speaker 3 forgot the guy who actually created the cause of the fumble and opening kickoff? He may replace him as well.

Speaker 1 Okay, so is this a standard coverage down here?

Speaker 3 This is no, so down here, so down at the bottom, so down at the bottom is some type of zone coverage. I'm not sure what the zone coverage is, but up top, he is locked on.
So, pretty much man-to-man.

Speaker 3 If you right before the snap, love motions that guy. So, if you pause it here, now you got a four by one.

Speaker 3 So, a lot of times when you have zone coverages and the offense, Dano was talking about the four by one. When they overload that side, a lot of times on the back side, you just lock that corner up.

Speaker 3 So, regardless of what the other 10 guys are doing down here at the bottom screen, Slay's just on an island with Wicks.

Speaker 3 So, it's just one-on-one, and they're doing some type of zone coverage down here.

Speaker 1 What a play!

Speaker 3 Great play, perfect. Great play.

Speaker 3 Great position.

Speaker 1 And also, Jordan Love, my guy, one-on-one. Let's go ahead and throw it up.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Fourth receiving option, throwing him an awful lot.

Speaker 1 An awful lot.

Speaker 2 And I liked Octavian Wicks, but.

Speaker 9 What about Bo Melton, dude? How is he? Yeah, same difference.

Speaker 2 Let's go fucking get a couple guys. Okay.

Speaker 1 What? You guys need weapons? Yeah, let's maybe get Tucker Kraft a little bit more involved. From the Green Bay Packers, you guys need weapons? I didn't know.
What are you talking about? No, yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you got guys dropping like flies. And, you know, in the playoffs, we can't be throwing the guys who you know were just called up from the practice squad.

Speaker 2 You just can't, you can't beat the Eagles that way. You think Coop DeGene's gonna get fucking burned by one of those guys? Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 All that speed on that guy, absolutely not. And Blankenship, you think he's gonna get out smote? Exactly.
He was

Speaker 2 he was fucking sticking and moving out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was. He was.
All right, who else do we have on Everything Debbie?

Speaker 3 These two guys on the all Everything DB watch list for next year. Really?

Speaker 1 Preseason watchlist.

Speaker 3 Early preseason watch list.

Speaker 1 You put them on the whitelist. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 No, the watch list.

Speaker 3 I don't see color. I just see numbers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's an absence of one, though, there for those guys.

Speaker 1 All right, here we go.

Speaker 3 Third and seven. We got Chris Schuler's young defense.
LA Rams right here. Obviously, had Sam Darnold in hell all afternoon.

Speaker 3 See Kobe Durant following Jordan Addison over in motion, and this is a great, great rep. Obviously, pressure up front, but bad throw inside.
But he did a great job.

Speaker 3 If you run it back one more time, actually, you can see it from this copy. So this safety, he's going to drop in, insert, take away that end cut from Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 3 You got a crosser from Naylor who comes open, but because of that pressure, he never gets back to him. Bad throw, I think, bad ball placement, but a great job by the young corner Durant to get his.

Speaker 3 He actually opened his hips inside and planted his foot, got back. Addison's not an easy cover, getting the coverage right, and then once again, picking that ball off.
Great play.

Speaker 1 Are the Rams? The real deal, huh? Damn,

Speaker 1 today, I think so. And Darnold,

Speaker 1 what's that? Yeah, the rough outing.

Speaker 1 You called. Darnold might be just like, hey, Kevin O'Connell's a really good coach.
What are your thoughts on Sam Darnold? I think Dan nailed it when he said it earlier.

Speaker 1 He's just, he's not going to win you the game. Jeez.
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 I didn't expect that to go that way.

Speaker 1 I think he's Geno Smith. Jan's going to win.
He's the Orange Bowl champion.

Speaker 9 I don't know if he's Geno Smith.

Speaker 9 Wow. I think Sam Darnold turned into a pumpkin.

Speaker 9 And guess guess what happens when you turn into a pumpkin? You don't come back.

Speaker 3 Nice sex.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got killed.

Speaker 9 Let's not do the Orlofsky and blame everybody else when we've been pumping up Darnold all year about how great he is.

Speaker 1 Have you heard the radio call from the Vikings guy? Paul Allen? Yeah. I have not.
It is hilarious. He's

Speaker 1 screaming at Darnold to get rid of the ball over and over again. He is a great play by

Speaker 1 Paul Allen.

Speaker 9 He also blamed Jay Glazer for the loss.

Speaker 1 So he didn't blame Jay Glazer.

Speaker 1 He blamed whoever told Jay Glazer that Kevin O'Connell was potentially going to get traded on the day of the Detroit Lions number one NFC seed game matchup, Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 1 He said that whoever decided to leak that or say that to Jay Glazer,

Speaker 1 shame on you. I think it's his actual words.
Shame on you for doing that. Because there's people, I was there, that were like wondering, like, is Kevin O'Connell going to get? Is he fully committed?

Speaker 1 Is everybody all in? He did bring that up in his post. I think he hosts a radio show in town, Paul Allen on the PA on the mic.
I listen to that clip and he was like, shame on whoever the fuck decided

Speaker 1 that on the biggest Sunday of this team's life, somebody needs to know that the head coach might be getting the fuck out of town.

Speaker 1 Shame on you, whoever it was. It's like, I can see how you would say that.
I would also see how Kevin O'Connell had no idea that was potentially going to happen. And maybe an agent was like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think. I think it's about time we remember here that there's a contract due for somebody.
That's just like classic chess on how this whole thing worked. I was shocked.

Speaker 3 Me too. He was even going into the final year.
I would have just assumed, oh, we locked this guy up for another five years.

Speaker 1 2030. After last year.
And I think his agent was thinking the same thing. Like, what are we even, what are we even doing here? With that being said,

Speaker 1 I just expected the players wouldn't care, but the way he was talking was like, it was a real, there's a real talking piece about it all.

Speaker 1 Players would be okay.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. I didn't think the players cared either.

Speaker 1 Excuse trade. When I heard that, all I thought to myself was, Wow, Kevin O'Connell's tradable.

Speaker 1 I wonder who's all going to be interested in Kevin O'Connell. That's, and then looked up his contract, found out it's up.
It's like, okay, that's good business.

Speaker 1 I didn't even think one time it could be a distraction until Paul Allen said that on the show. And it's like, maybe he was there.
We were not, Age.

Speaker 11 I guess. I mean, they knew that their head coach is going to be there for the remainder of the season.
They knew he wasn't. They weren't going to take him in two days.

Speaker 1 What if Kevin O'Connell did the ultimate leverage play?

Speaker 1 I'm holding up tonight's game. Good luck.
Show up to the lines. Enjoy the game, play.
Show up, though. Put a hoodie on.
Yep. Don't put the headset on.
Seeds. I'm not putting it on.
Sunglasses.

Speaker 1 Maybe Justin Jefferson sunglasses. Huge chain.
Huge chain. Yeah.
Walking around not talking to anybody.

Speaker 1 Interesting call. You want to get a deal done or not? Do you want to coach tonight or not? I don't think that's what he was doing.
No. But it was a nice reminder that he has his deal is up.

Speaker 1 They need to pay that guy.

Speaker 11 Got a lot. Give him a six-year deal.

Speaker 1 That makes everyone look. Maybe a 10-year

Speaker 1 Feels like you got it right with him. Feels like you got it right with him.
Will they be able to win a Super Bowl, though? Can you win a Super Bowl? We'll never find out. Not with Darnold.

Speaker 1 Jeez. What about that offensive line? Well, you saw.
I wrote it earlier. They need a lot of upgrades on the offensive line in Minnesota.
But there's how it got hurt.

Speaker 1 That just even speaks even more volumes as to why Kevin O'Connell deserves to be paid. Yeah, but also Sam Donald maybe shouldn't be judged as hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, agree, but you can't hold on to the ball like that. You can't take nine sacks.
Take nine sacks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys are letting up nine sacks.

Speaker 9 This guy was corkscrewing in the five seconds.

Speaker 1 I mean, there was numerous times when he was getting sacked at five seconds. What is the

Speaker 3 five seconds?

Speaker 1 How come that stat's not ever talked about? It should be. It's just all blamed on the offensive line.

Speaker 4 Yeah, look at this guy.

Speaker 1 Get turned around.

Speaker 1 I mean, how many times have I called you and Bell? What are they talking about?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how this whole thing started because Dan Orlofsky was doing a breakdown on how this was an offensive lineman's fault. Hey, and AQ said, you know how dumb Dano sounds on TV right now?

Speaker 1 And I'm not watching TV at the time, so he had to explain it to me. Then I watched it back and he walked along with me.
Let's watch this together.

Speaker 1 Then he explained how the center, actually, because it's on the left hash, he's looking over his center.

Speaker 1 The linebacker is off to his left, shady to his left, so he actually doesn't count in the protection to the right. Dan doesn't know that, though.
Dan doesn't know that at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you would like offensive linemen to stop getting blamed. Yeah, they get blamed for everything.
It's like so many times that, like,

Speaker 1 for instance, against the Vikings game the other night, Sam Darnold legitimately is standing in the pocket and hitch, hitch,

Speaker 1 trying to step up, move back. Like, some point, throw the ball away.
Those guys got to protect him. They got to give him more time.

Speaker 1 I need time for the play to develop.

Speaker 3 He was seeing ghosts.

Speaker 1 Throw the ball away. He wasn't.

Speaker 9 He was throws all the way.

Speaker 1 I bought when his eyes.

Speaker 1 When he showed his eyes the one time, he was just like, fuck this.

Speaker 1 Where am I?

Speaker 3 And they were bringing, they were dialing some shit up, too. Like, it was...
It wasn't simple. It was only rushing four most of the time, sometimes five.

Speaker 3 But for Sam, he felt like it was 13 motherfuckers rushing him.

Speaker 1 I'm happy happy to hear that we still have massive question marks with the Minnesota Vikings offense. And at head coach, I guess.
Are they going to get a deal done or not? I don't know.

Speaker 1 All right, let's go to the last everything, DB, good D, bad D. Darius Shea Butler, what we have?

Speaker 3 Last play, and this is, unfortunately, you know, best cornerback in the league right now, Patrick Sertain. Sometimes you have bad ones.
And once again, another four-by-one situation.

Speaker 3 This one in man-to-man coverage, you'll see him and Riley Moss kind of communicating on who's on who. He's on Hollands here.
You pause it here. So there's a little mix-up.

Speaker 3 And now he is in bad leverage. Just how Joe Brady and Josh Allen drew it up.
Got Curtis Samuel running across the field, away from his leverage, hits him in stride, and then

Speaker 3 hits the brakes on him. You never want that as DBs.
You want to be able to tackle them so that you can defend every blade of grass. We saw this in the Texas, Ohio State game.

Speaker 3 Like you get a guy down, you get it first in goal on a one. You just got to be able to roll the ball out there and say, hey, we got to defend them, bow up, keep him out of the end zone.

Speaker 3 So you got to get him on the ground, even when you give up a big play. But this play started with communication.

Speaker 3 if you just line up samuel against patrick sertan nine times out of ten sertan's going to win that rep but when you add in the formation the motion the communication the the hesitation of being in the wrong leverage you get big plays like this so great job from joe brady calling up dialing up and then obviously josh allen executing and making the throw hell yeah congrats to all the dbs all season that were on everything db good d and sorry to all the dbs that were on bad d but you're going to get got you just got to get yours more than you get got a shout out to Marshawn Lynch and shout out to you, Derek.

Speaker 1 You too, AQ. Shout out.
We're going to get the hell out of here on this glorious Wednesday. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.

Speaker 1 Remember, Monday night, we'll be on a sideline for the national championship. Another field pass, the last field pass, as Notre Dame takes on the Ohio State Buckeyes.

Speaker 1 And obviously, we got massive divisional round ahead. We got a lot of shit to talk about, and we'll do more of it tomorrow.
Tom, why don't you come out of hammer? Don, Don,

Speaker 1 join squadron. Get on out of here.
You know, today's show was so electrifying, actually, it blew out the lower left quadrant of the back wall. That's right.

Speaker 8 Wow, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is nice. That's a good thing.
Not a bad thing. We love this type of stuff.

Speaker 1 Too much electricity blows the panel.

Speaker 1 That's what we're looking to do every single day. And we can't thank you enough for allowing us to do it for a living.
From all of us to all of you, you're the best.

Speaker 1 Be a friend, tell a friend something nice. It might change their life.
We're in this thing together. Team on me.
Thank you for traveling out of your AQ. Thanks for having me.
Great work, DB.

Speaker 1 You too, Pet.

Speaker 1 Team on three, one, two, three, team. Really?

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