PMS 2.0 1276 - Vikings vs. Rams Recap, Deion Sanders To The Cowboys? Adam Schefter, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Speaker 1 Hello beautiful people and welcome to our humble abode, the Thunderdome, on a Super Wild Tuesday, January 14th, 2025. This program starts now.

Speaker 1 Football! It is absolutely wonderful. We wrapped up the wild card weekend that was once titled Super Wild Card Weekend last night as the Los Angeles Rams as the home team in Phoenix

Speaker 1 absolutely beat the hell out of the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to the Rams.

Speaker 1 As I was watching that game on a flight back from beautiful San Jose, California last night, you could tell early, Toxic Table at Boston Connor, that Matthew Stafford was going to have a Matthew Stafford-like game.

Speaker 1 He was locked in, dialed in. First play of the game is an absolute strike.

Speaker 1 And literally, I'm streaming it, me and Gumpy watching on the plane as we're flying back, and we're like, oh, shit, because we're trying to keep up with the internet a little bit while the game was happening.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, Matt Stafford's having a Matt Stafford night. It's not just Matt Stafford, it's Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 You start looking at stats now on how many games Sean McVay has won in the playoffs since he's got to the L.A.

Speaker 1 Rams, how it's all gone since he's been there, how successful they've been, no matter who is on that team. Remember, they're in the middle of a brand new squad.

Speaker 1 Aaron Donald, a GOAT, a great of all time, a man who's going to be a first Ballot Hall of Famer, a Mount Rushmore player, retires. This is supposed to be a rebuild.

Speaker 1 Didn't have enough money, remember, because they spent it all. They traded all their assets to go all in to win the Super Bowl in Los Angeles, which they did.

Speaker 1 then immediately afterwards, this team's fuck.

Speaker 1 They kick can down the road. At some point, you're going to get to the part of the road where the can is and it's going to catch up to you.
Les Sneed said, I don't need them picks.

Speaker 1 Give me all the big names. Give me all the big players.
We want to go all in.

Speaker 1 Then Les Sneed took second rounders, third rounders, fourth rounders, fifth rounders, everything but first rounders and turn them into absolute gold.

Speaker 1 This dude is an absolute beast, a monster, a general manager that you would hope would be on your team. Because when it was time to go all in and have to win in a new city quickly, he did just that.

Speaker 1 And he picked the right guys to go all in on. Then whenever he had to move on and find young talent that was cheaper to mix in with the older guys, he was able to do that.

Speaker 1 And now they're staring down eight playoff wins in eight years for Sean McVay, who was hired as the youngest coach in the NFL at the time when he was brought to kind of lead this brand new franchise in the city of stars, Los Angeles, who were still nothing but T's and P's to all the people over there.

Speaker 1 Obviously devastation. But congrats to the Rams, man.
Congrats to Bless Steve.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Sean McVay. Congrats to Matthew Stafford.
Congrats to Puka Nakua being a guy.

Speaker 1 Congrats to Cooper Cup, obviously, being a quarterback on the field and maintaining his health through these very pivotal games.

Speaker 1 And then congrats to the young defense that the Los Angeles Rams have that forced nine sacks last night, which is playoff record, obviously. And Sam Darnold was in an absolute hella nightmare.

Speaker 1 And did he potentially lose like $120 million over the last couple weeks? Potentially. But Super Wild Card weekend is done.
There was one banger in there.

Speaker 1 There was obviously an upset or two that happened. And now all eyes look ahead to the divisional round.
The Rams will have to travel to Philadelphia to take on the Eagles. How are they doing?

Speaker 1 Well, we think they're at a peak right now. I saw a little mic'd up situation from the sidelines.
Devontae Smith, A.J. Brown, remember A.J.

Speaker 1 Brown reading the book, Inner Excellence, on the sideline, because he's so fed up with what's going on in real life. He wanted to escape to a couple pages of a book.

Speaker 1 Well, he and Devontae, whenever Saquon decided to slide at the end of the game to win it, they'd go over to him and go, no, no, what are we?

Speaker 1 What are you doing? What do you, we get yards at least. You know, hey, we got to at least think about that.
He goes, it's a dub. And they both go, oh, okay, all right.
They kind of back off.

Speaker 1 So I appreciate the fact that it feels like the vibes and the more, the aura of that particular team are very high over there.

Speaker 1 Spite of all the shit that has been talked about all year about this Eagles team. Matthew Stafford in playoff is going to be dangerous.
Texans and Chiefs can't wait to watch that.

Speaker 1 Commanders and Lions, how you doing? Keep it moving. Nine and a half points spread in the playoffs following an eight-point spread against the Texans for the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 And then obviously the game of the weekend in everybody's eyes. Baltimore Ravens versus the Buffalo Bills.
Baltimore's favored on the road in Buffalo in a playoff game.

Speaker 1 It's the first time in like 18 times that the Buffalo Bills are underdogs at home in the playoffs. So

Speaker 1 highly anticipated matchups. Anybody can go and get it.

Speaker 1 Feels like there is kind of two classes of football happening, both in the NFL and in college ball, but we're whittling away and getting to the point where it's all the great teams.

Speaker 1 And we're incredibly lucky for that. The talks and tables here at Boss Conner and at Ty Schmidt early.
You said Matthew Stafford looked locked in. It's fun to have that guy as your quarterback.

Speaker 1 I would assume how Los Angeles Rams fans feel.

Speaker 2 Yeah, unbelievable. There was a shot of him walking to the field from the tunnel.
And I think right there, just the look in his eyes, the stoicness, if you will,

Speaker 2 how locked in he was was very apparent. I think he started nine for nine with 104 yards with like six minutes left in the first.

Speaker 2 So right off the bat, you kind of figure, okay, there's a chance the Rams run away with this.

Speaker 2 Also, the D-line immediately, the Vikings' first drive, I think their first play, actually, they started off with a sack. So So it was a vicious effort.

Speaker 2 You know, we talk about the matchups in that next round, and, of course, Ravens-Bills is going to be awesome.

Speaker 2 This Rams D-line versus the Eagles O-line is going to be a spectacle of trenches warfare, just because, of course, the Eagles, you know, they won the trenchie with the long-hair A.Q.

Speaker 2 Shipley trophy, not just a normal one.

Speaker 1 That's right, first place, brother.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with how good they were, Jared versus a freak of nature. And he didn't even have one of those nine sacks, but he was just pushing piles all night.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. He was going to do it.
Way too big, way too strong, way too fast for a human to be able to pull all those off. Nine-year NFL veterinarius Jay Butler is here looking very, very cool.

Speaker 1 Debut.

Speaker 1 This defense that the Rams have, they're young. They're very good.

Speaker 1 It seems like it took them maybe a little bit to gather because for the trade deadline, what people are saying about the Rams is they need to sell. They need to get Matt Stafford out of here.

Speaker 1 They can probably get something for Cooper Cup at this point. Puka Nakua maybe even go ahead and get rid of him.
They were talking about being sellers. Then everybody gets healthy.

Speaker 1 And I feel like this young

Speaker 1 defense kind of molded, came together. They kicked absolute wholesale ass last night against the Minnesota Vikings offense.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and a lot of people were saying that they took Aaron Glenn's playbook. I don't see it like that.

Speaker 3 They were getting after him with four, and they had some disguises, but they were getting after him with four. Young and verse off the edges, they just kept collapsing the pocket all night long.

Speaker 3 And they had great coverage on the back end as well, was in the receivers' faces, pressing guys, covering guys. Kobe Durant had a great pick on the out route.

Speaker 3 I mean, Coach Schulen, first years at DC for the Rams, and just a bunch of young guys contributing, playing huge, huge roles

Speaker 1 in their first contract.

Speaker 1 His grandboy.

Speaker 1 I saw that from a Chuck Fagano tweet. Chuck took a screenshot of his television.
Pretty blurry. Didn't really know what the photos were.

Speaker 1 But Chuck was like, hey, last name Shula. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That family calling a game

Speaker 1 incredibly in his biggest moment, wild card against Kevin O'Connell in this Minnesota Vikings offense. Now, you talked to Minnesota Vikings fans after that Lions game.

Speaker 1 They said it was over.

Speaker 1 And I was trying to tell them, just like we were trying to tell our Steelers friends, like, hey, you're in the playoffs. What do we? One 14 games.

Speaker 1 You were trying to play for the number one overall seed in the NFC. You're talking home field advantage literally 48 hours ago.
Now you think it's over there. Got exposed.

Speaker 1 The Vikings fans almost felt like what they were in that Lions game is what they had been all year. They just were kind of disguising, disguising, disguising, disguising.

Speaker 1 And I think that's potentially because they're naturally a pessimistic bunch with the Minnesota Vikings, which I think they're great fans.

Speaker 1 I think they're loud, but I think they do have a sense of like, it's going to go bad. This has happened a lot.
It's going to go bad for the Minnesota.

Speaker 1 I don't love that for them because especially with what they have to go through to get to games, with how cold it is in that city and in that place, and how loud that stadium is, how cool their traditions are, how sweet their fits are.

Speaker 1 They got sweet merch. Oh, yeah.
Sweet unis. I mean, the purple, we come from a purple high school, but everything about it is sweet.
The all-whites, the hell, everything

Speaker 1 about the Vikings is awesome. Kevin O'Connell can drop a play for anybody to be open.
Justin Jefferson, number one wide receiver in the entire league.

Speaker 1 His celebration actually became an international phenomenon.

Speaker 1 Like, the Vikings have everything you could possibly want to be a team, but their fans, as soon as they lose to the Lions the way they just knew, this ain't good.

Speaker 1 And last night it was kind of like that. Now, I saw Dan Orlovsky kind of getting dunked on

Speaker 1 first.

Speaker 1 As Dan do.

Speaker 1 He was getting dunked on on first take. And he said, you think that's Sam Darnold's fault? You think that's Sam Darnold's fault?

Speaker 1 I think against the Lions when Sam Darnold was missing everything high, I think that's when the conversation started about like, there he is. There he is.
People are almost waiting for him.

Speaker 1 Then they lose last night. He gets sacked nine times.
It is what it is. Makes a couple sick plays late.

Speaker 1 You know, makes a couple sick plays late where he's rolling right, throws back across his body to the tight end, showcases everything that he is.

Speaker 1 But there was a time this season where we were wondering, what's going to happen with Sam Darnold next year? Is he going to get paid $50 million a year?

Speaker 1 Is Sam Darnold going going to get paid $45 million a year by somebody? There's going to be seven quarterback-needed teams.

Speaker 1 There's only a few college quarterbacks, even though I think they're discounting Will Howard a lot. I think they're discounting Will Howard a lot.
I think he's a good player. Good ball player.

Speaker 1 I think Will Howard is a good ball player.

Speaker 2 And he's...

Speaker 4 Big son, bitch. Riley, too.

Speaker 1 And he can, yeah, Riley Leonard. I think he's phenomenally athletic, and I think he's throwing his best balls.

Speaker 1 So everybody's saying that this quarterback class is down. I think Will Howard and maybe even Riley.
And obviously Cam Ward is a dog and a great leader.

Speaker 1 And shout out to Carson Beck going down there and get paid double, I guess. Wild.
Which is wild to think about because what Cam Ward was able to do.

Speaker 1 I assume Carson's going to be able to do the exact same. And then obviously Shador and this whole thing with the Dallas Cowboys coming out now, it's getting even louder.

Speaker 1 But there's still going to be teams that need a quarterback with what Sam Darnall was able to do this year. They're going to pay him so much money.

Speaker 1 And these last couple weeks, it feels like we all agree.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that huge deal is coming. Sam's going to have to do the same thing he did this year somewhere, probably.

Speaker 1 $13 million is what he got paid this year, allegedly in the end, after bonuses and escalators. He's going to have to do that again, probably after what just happened in the final two weeks.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that's fair. Yeah, that's this.
I'm not saying that is that is how it should be. That is very much the world that we live in for Sam Darno.

Speaker 1 And that just feels like it's a matter of fact at this point. Will a team drop 25 million on Sam Darno? Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys AP Tone, who doesn't have a signed quarterback for his team. No, no, no.
Are you talking about for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Absolutely would. For $25 million a year, absolutely.

Speaker 1 I saw someone or. Did he give Sam Darno 20 million a year? Yeah.
$25? $30.

Speaker 1 $30. $35.
$35 million.

Speaker 1 Bingo. $35,500? That's a steal.
$35. Now,

Speaker 1 he's still the best free agent quarterback available coming out

Speaker 1 by far. So

Speaker 1 I heard someone earlier today project something like Baker's deal, which was like three for $100. I can see Sam Donald still getting that.
I would pay Sam Donald that for sure.

Speaker 1 Okay, so the Pittsburgh Steelers would pay Sam Donald three years, $100 million to be their quarterback for the next three years. Bingo.

Speaker 1 I think if you look back, and that's what, here's what Kevin O'Connell actually had to say after the game, whenever he was asked about how we should view Sam Thornold going into this free agency offseason.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 5 I think it's important that we look at it really two ways. You know, football-wise, playing the position of quarterback,

Speaker 5 you know, areas that we can really focus on to improve, areas as an offense where we can pick our quarterback up with a little bit of execution, give him another click when it is a four-man rush.

Speaker 5 You know, whatever it is, we've got to find a way to look at it from that standpoint. But also, I just want to say, you know, I think it's very important we all think about,

Speaker 5 you know, Sam's body of work, what he was able to do this year, when not very many people thought he would be able to lead a team to 14 wins.

Speaker 5 Very rare for a quarterback in their first year. In fact, it is rare, the most wins by a first-year quarterback with a team.
And just the way he came in, committed himself

Speaker 5 to

Speaker 5 just a daily process to be the best version of himself. It did not

Speaker 5 work out in the end

Speaker 5 and I think Sam would be the first one to tell you. Could he have played better tonight?

Speaker 5 I'm sure he would tell you that he could have.

Speaker 5 Could I have coached better? I promise you I could have.

Speaker 5 Could our team have rallied around

Speaker 5 a play here or there to try to keep that thing competitive? For sure.

Speaker 5 But the other phase of it for Sam is acknowledging the things that made him a winning quarterback this year and the consistency at the times he had it throughout the year and what that meant for our team.

Speaker 5 Because I think that can stay with him moving forward as he goes back to work. I'm proud of him.

Speaker 7 Proud of,

Speaker 5 you know, really everybody in that locker room. But Sam and the journey him and I went on this year will always, you know, be a...
you know, something that's a special place in my heart for sure.

Speaker 5 Certainly.

Speaker 1 It'll always be something there. We had a good run.
Now, everybody's assuming that that means he's not going to be back for the Minnesota Vikings after listening to that particular take.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he gave that away in that particular conversation. What did you hear from Coach Kevin O'Connell, who we have massive respect for?

Speaker 1 I think that is something that needs to be said, not only just as a play designer, play caller, but also as a head coach.

Speaker 1 There was a clip that was either recirculated this year or released for the first time, where last year, after a loss, he goes in a locker room. He basically, you know, he...

Speaker 1 He says how it is to the team.

Speaker 1 He says, we're either going to go one way or we're going to go another while raising his voice and swearing a little bit. And it was a little coaching.
It felt like it was a little coaching.

Speaker 1 It was a little bit of a perspective setter for the team. So we respect him as a coach, play caller, and play designer.
What did you hear from him right there?

Speaker 1 And are you think people are going to listen to what he had to say about his experience with Sam this year and say, yeah, we will pay him 35, 40 million still, even though the last two games were clearly the worst for the Vikings offense as a whole.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they were crop. And I think as fans,

Speaker 3 a lot of us would just look at it, and that's what you'll remember, is the last couple of times we saw Sam Darno in some of the biggest games for the one seed and then obviously on a playoff stage.

Speaker 3 But you would hope that like the evaluators, the front office people, maybe some potential offensive coordinators will look at the whole body of work and look at, okay, this is the new version of Sam Darno.

Speaker 3 Did he play his best ball at the end? No, he didn't.

Speaker 3 But when you coming in, winning 14 games, first year with a new team, you had a good system. You had good players around him.

Speaker 3 If you can do that again and recreate that system with Sam Darno, I think he will be a good quarterback. Probably a better option than a lot of teams have right now.

Speaker 3 He could still be a top 15 quarterback going into next year. I think he showed that.
We know the talent and how people thought about him and viewed him coming out of college.

Speaker 3 And this is kind of who you expected him to be on this level.

Speaker 3 Did struggle at the end, no doubt about that, but I think a lot of people will look at him as a potential replacement or upgrade at the quarterback position.

Speaker 2 I just, I feel like what you said too about Kevin O'Connell, though, like how much respect we all have for him.

Speaker 1 And like, I love Sam Darnell and I love the redemption stories. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
I really do. I genuinely.

Speaker 1 video? The locker room video is awesome. He's up on it now.

Speaker 2 Lifting them up. They're dumping one.

Speaker 1 It was like 15 points or something. What was the stat since the Sam Darnold celebration video in the locker room? 12 points.
12?

Speaker 2 12. Okay, so I think a lot of it, of course.

Speaker 1 That was a cool moment. It was a cool moment.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 with how great he played the whole year, it's awesome. I think a majority of this is Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, Aaron Jones, the team around him.

Speaker 2 I think you could put a lot of quarterbacks in that situation. That would be great.
Now, if you're telling me he can go to Pittsburgh and do the exact same thing, I think you're a batshit crazy.

Speaker 2 I don't see how that could ever work just because what Minnesota has is so quarterback friendly. And, like, Baker and Geno, both those situations.

Speaker 2 You know, Baker's got now Bucky Irving, but, you know, Mike Evans, Chris Godwin. Great situations.

Speaker 2 Canalis and then Cohen, who I guess is now going to be, you know, the next quarterback guru, offensive genius.

Speaker 2 And then with Geno, obviously didn't go well this year, but when it did go well, DK Metcalf, Kenneth Walker, like the situations around these guys who get, you know, those redemption stories are so great, where if Darnold were to leave a Justin Jefferson and all those guys, like, I think it'd be very hard for him to do that again.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz missed his redemption story this year whenever he had that one game for the Chiefs there at the N37 zip. They ended up losing to the Broncos.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that next chapter that came in for a lot of these guys that was beautiful and fun to watch,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think situationally. They were all very beneficial.
Perfect. Much more beneficial than the first time around.
Whenever you're getting drafted at a high spot because of how good you are.

Speaker 1 But if you're getting drafted in a high position, that probably means the team not going to be great. That's how the NFL kind of operates.
It's not a lottery.

Speaker 1 There's not just a ball popping out and saying who goes when. It's like, hey, who stinks the most? Gets an opportunity to get the best player or best players in this particular draft.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 The Sam Darnold story and the Minnesota Vikings story is just one of many that are going to pop off this offseason.

Speaker 1 Joining us now is a man who might give us a little bit more information on what we need to be talking about.

Speaker 1 Senior NFL insider for ESPN, who is in the middle of a cowboy story that is potentially sports media shattering. Whoa.
Yes. It involves a lot of things that sports media can and has revolved around.

Speaker 1 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Chef Gary.

Speaker 1 Chef D, hey, thank you so much for joining us. I know you had a flight late last night to get back home, so I appreciate you being on top of it.
Let's dive right in.

Speaker 1 We're just wrapping up the Sam Darnold Vikings conversation.

Speaker 1 After the last two games Sam Darnold has had, there are some people in here that are Pittsburgh Steelers fans who say, I'd pay that guy three years, $100 million to be our quarterback going forward because they don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Then there's other people who do have a quarterback that say, did Sam Donald miss out on $120 million over the last couple of weeks? What are your thoughts on the Sam Donald situation?

Speaker 1 And what do you think happens with he and the Vikings going forward, just from where we sit today, one day after their

Speaker 1 loss, season-ending loss?

Speaker 8 Well, I still think he's probably the number one free-aging quarterback available in a market where where there are any number of teams that need quarterbacks, that will not be able to get the quarterback that they need in the draft.

Speaker 8 And so he's going to be a desired commodity. But you can't look at the last two weeks and think that he enhanced his value.
I think he had a chance to kind of blow the roof off his value.

Speaker 8 And they lost at Detroit. And they lost last night, was sacked nine times, blame the offensive line, blame whoever you want.

Speaker 8 But those were not his best and finest back-to-back games of the season. And he played exceptionally well all year long and he boosted his value.

Speaker 8 And everybody saw the type of quarterback that Sam Darnold is. But the last two weeks clearly, I think, impacted his value in a negative way.

Speaker 8 But we'll see how much. He's still the best raging quarterback out there.
And so you have to think somebody is going to value that a tremendous amount. The question is, how much?

Speaker 1 So does that mean that that's good news for the Vikings who potentially weren't going to be able to get to the number that maybe another team was?

Speaker 1 But now there's a chance that the value has been brought down just a tiny bit where the Vikings would be able to dance, even though they have to pay Addison, have already paid Justin Jefferson, and have many other names on the team that are going to get paid big dollars?

Speaker 8 It's a great question, Pat. I don't know that we know the answer to that right now.
I think it's going to depend on what the market bears, right?

Speaker 8 If there's a team out there, a la the Raiders, the Giants, the Steelers, whoever it is that needs a quarterback, there are any number of them that do,

Speaker 8 that

Speaker 8 looks at Sam Darnell from this year and says, okay, we're going to pay the guy $40 million, whatever it is. They may get it to a number that may be out of the Vikings' range.
Got it. But

Speaker 8 it's possible that the last two weeks impacted the number enough so that maybe it's within the range of the Vikings asking price and they can get a deal done and bring him back.

Speaker 8 But again, I think here's the thing. They have J.J.
McCarthy waiting in the wings. They really like J.J.
McCarthy. They don't know exactly what they have, but they love what they saw this summer.

Speaker 8 He spent a good part of the year rehabbing, so you're not going through practices. You don't really know for sure what you have.

Speaker 8 You think you have a quarterback, but you don't know you have a quarterback.

Speaker 8 So I think in a perfect world, you'd like to have Sam Darnold back if you could, but there may be a team out there that's willing to pay him more than the Vikings are.

Speaker 1 Gotcha.

Speaker 8 I think there's a wide range of outcomes here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so they got a reserve on. You know, if it hits the reserve, it can go somewhere else.
If it doesn't, we're going to end up paying that.

Speaker 1 I wonder if that's a percentage of the salary cap is the number, or if it's an actual hard number with how the entire thing is going.

Speaker 1 You mentioned a couple other stories that we will certainly get to, but on the other side, we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the Rams who just got a massive win.

Speaker 1 It feels like in the middle of the season, we're chatting about maybe the Rams being sellers at the trade deadline. Then they get healthy.
Yo, look, they've won another playoff game.

Speaker 1 This is Sean McVay football. This is Matthew Stafford football.
What do you think was the big change or turning point this year?

Speaker 1 Was it just health and getting everybody back on the field for the LA Rams? And I don't know if I saw this coming.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be honest, with this particular Rams team coming into the season, going through the season, and then watching that last night, Buzzsaw Los Angeles Rams right there.

Speaker 8 Well, you know, Pat, I don't know if they saw it coming. I think that they thought that they had the potential to be good, but they didn't know which way it was going to go.

Speaker 8 And you mentioned that leading up to the trade deadline. They were waiting to see which way this team would go.

Speaker 8 And I think it was the Thursday night game against Minnesota that won that pushed them more towards going for it this year.

Speaker 8 Whereas, if they had lost that game, it's possible they then would have approached the trade deadline differently, listened to offers on certain veterans, a la Cooper Cup that they never got to, never got to that point.

Speaker 8 But did it come up? Hey, if we're knocked out here, is this something that we should do? That's a conversation to that extent that came up,

Speaker 8 but they won.

Speaker 8 And they moved forward. And the young defense got better and better and better.
And

Speaker 8 Cooper Cup came back and Puka Nakua came back.

Speaker 8 And when you watch Puka, when he comes back, I mean, that just feels like it's everything because that guy is dynamic and changes the way the offense is run.

Speaker 8 It feels like the offense runs through him and Kyron Williams.

Speaker 8 And they've just gotten better and better and better to the point where last night, you know, in talking to that team this weekend, they said, last week might have been the single best week of practices that they've had all year long.

Speaker 8 And they had that with all the adversity going on, with them moving to Arizona, with their city being on fire.

Speaker 8 I think there was so much that they were going through. But I think going to Arizona focused this team in exactly.
And Sean McVay kept telling this team, we're built for this, we're built for this.

Speaker 8 And exactly what he told the team in the post-game speech last night after they sacked Sam Darnell nine times and trounced the Vikings and moved on to play the Eagles on Sunday in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 The LAFD hats, too. Yeah,

Speaker 1 sweet. It was cool.
And can't once again say it enough.

Speaker 1 Cardinals,

Speaker 1 first-class operation over there. They put up a list of other things that they did.
And how about the paint, the grounds crew? It looked like when you're watching a game, you could, it was a Rams.

Speaker 1 You felt like it was a Rams home game. 52,000 tickets sold in 20 minutes or something, or two hours.
I forget what it was.

Speaker 8 By the way, Pat, like, I'm standing in the back there, and I was standing with the Rams people. Like, you notice the signage? I'm like, what sign?

Speaker 8 Like, it was right in front of my face but I'm sometimes oblivious enough that I didn't even notice you know they had that big red zone thing that banned it was covered with a sofi banner a blue sofi rams

Speaker 8 like every signage around the stadium they they tried to turn that place into as much of a home

Speaker 8 the ramps house that's what they did and they they

Speaker 8 I mean, that was a lot of people in that organization that put a lot of time and energy and effort into making that whole four-day experience in Arizona worthwhile.

Speaker 8 And it showed with the way that the team played on the field.

Speaker 1 I was watching and they were showing the guy painting, you know, and it's like, that's not an easy logo at all. If you haven't done it, like, there's like a lot of this.

Speaker 1 There's like a lot of, and it was, I just appreciated the amount of effort and buy-in from all parties to make this happen because obviously force majeure is taking place in LA.

Speaker 1 And once again, can't say it enough. Teas and P's to everybody over there in LA.
The videos are devastating.

Speaker 1 I believe Aaron is either going to come on tomorrow or the next day because he's in the middle of all this.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is

Speaker 1 wild.

Speaker 1 I was just in San Jose last night and playing, I sat in the FBO for like 15, 20 minutes with Gumpy, and we got a chance to talk to a little bit of locals there.

Speaker 1 Them talking about the fires that happen in California every single year, and then in comparison, what this one is and why, and their knowledge on fires is just so, because I come from Pittsburgh, which I think it rains the second most in America, like behind Seattle.

Speaker 1 So So fires were never even a thought in Pittsburgh. So I never even knew about it.

Speaker 1 Then learning about it now through this entire situation and then talking to locals, it's like, that's a real thing every year, I guess, all the time fires are.

Speaker 1 That one, just because of the way the winds and where it went and how, oh,

Speaker 1 and you just can't predict it because the winds are just taking it. Whoa, those pictures, man, hey.

Speaker 1 We are so sorry you're going through it, but once again, we'll be the dip shits that are trying to distract. Try to distract.
Now, we go from Rams Haas in Arizona to Jerry World in Arlington. Okay.

Speaker 1 Is there a way we can get Tim Tebow and LeBron James involved in this as well?

Speaker 1 Because we got Deion Sanders, Jerry Jones, and the Dallas Cowboys in a hiring cycle that has Shador Sanders as one of the top quarterbacks in the draft class.

Speaker 1 This sounds like it's made up literally in an ESPN lab. How real is this? And what are we thinking the chances of Coach Prime having a star on his hat actually are?

Speaker 8 Well, a few things here. First of all, last night I spoke to Prime in the second half of the game.
He called me after his dinner, and

Speaker 8 I put out basically

Speaker 8 one of the things they said. And you texted me, you're like, what does this mean? There's the statement, right? To hear from Jerry Jones is truly delightful and it's intriguing.

Speaker 8 I love Jerry and believe in Jerry. After you hang up and process it and think about it, it's intriguing.

Speaker 8 But I love love Boulder and everything there is about our team, the coaches, our student body in the community. And you text me, said, what does that mean?

Speaker 8 I can tell you this, having spoken to him, the way that I took it was

Speaker 8 he was not interested in going to the NFL. He was not thinking or planning to go to the NFL.
It may not even happen that he goes to the NFL.

Speaker 8 But because he loves and respects Jerry Jones so much, when Jerry calls, of course, he's going to talk to him. And he was intrigued, to use his word, intrigued to speak to Jerry Jones.

Speaker 8 He

Speaker 8 heaped all kinds of praise on Colorado. He's been talking to the athletic director there.
I'm sure I could say this in the back of my mind, probably there's money involved.

Speaker 8 I don't think that's a ridiculous notion when it comes to Prime, who's been an incredible businessman throughout his entire career.

Speaker 8 But I said to him at the end of the conversation, Pat, I said, So what's next?

Speaker 8 What happens now? And he said to me, I don't know. I say, you don't know what happens next.
Are you going to, I don't know. So I think right now, everything is in the beginning stages.

Speaker 8 There's no meeting plan with Jerry right now, but clearly the lines of communication are open. They're going to be in touch.
And I think it goes for both sides.

Speaker 8 Deion Sanders is figuring out what's best for him. Is it best to stay in school?

Speaker 8 His sons are leaving. He's got recruits coming in.
Does he want to be there? Does the school look out for him? Does he want to go to Dallas? Does Jerry want to go move in that direction to hire him?

Speaker 8 You know, again, and I said this to Ty this morning. We're taping my podcast.

Speaker 8 About 16, 17 months ago, October of 23, a GM in the league called me. He said, get out your pen and paper and write this down.

Speaker 8 Deion Sanders is going to be the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I'm like, okay.
I wrote it down.

Speaker 8 And I saved some pictures of the two of them for the time when it would become relevant. So last night I'm going through my phone back to October, November of 23.

Speaker 8 There are the pictures that I've been saving for the day that this GM had told me about this actual event potentially happening. And I think it still could go a lot of ways.

Speaker 8 The Cowboys are going to go into a coaching search. They may

Speaker 8 fall for somebody. They may be impressed with somebody.
They may move it in the direction that's not Deion related. But it may be that.

Speaker 8 of all the people that they talk with and meet with, nobody impresses or interests them as much as Deion Sanders does. So I think right now now they're navigating it.
Deion's navigating it.

Speaker 8 They're both an option for each other, and we'll see where it goes.

Speaker 1 A lot happened when Deion Sanders had that star on his helmet. You know, I mean, all the highlights that we get a chance to watch, all of the, you know, it all comes on that astro turf.

Speaker 1 You know, we see his six shoes. He's faster than everybody.
He's more athletic than everybody. He was going to be more flashy than everybody.

Speaker 1 And I think all of that happened because he was going to outwork everybody.

Speaker 1 And I think that is why Jerry Jones probably took such a liking to prime time because he was everything that embodied basically the Dallas Cowboys. Works his ass off, successful, flashy.

Speaker 1 Listen, we're going to be a brand. We're going to be flashy.
We're going to be internationally known. We're going to be comfortable in the spotlight.

Speaker 1 So I think Jerry and Prime, this is just from outside looking in, not having any actual relationship really with either of them. It feels like they're almost made for each other.

Speaker 1 So then now Coach Prime has proved that he's a coach that can, you know, get men to follow.

Speaker 1 He has proved that he's been able to go into a place that maybe seemed hopeless, which some people, if you listen to Troy Aikman, would say the Dallas Cowboys might currently be a little bit hopeless.

Speaker 1 Not that Troy meant that, but he kind of insinuated, like, I don't know if that's a desirable place.

Speaker 1 And then also, you think about just the fact that anytime Prime walks into a room, he immediately gets the respect from everybody inside of it, let alone how he operates.

Speaker 1 There was something that just came out. Prime's not all letting any slides, no tank tops, no nothing, basically, around the Colorado building.
And I was a little bit upset about the tank top thing.

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 1 that doesn't mean you're not professional, not wearing tank top, but it's like everything that Prime is about seemingly would be great for the Cowboys to have in there. Now, granted, can it work?

Speaker 1 Will it work? I have no idea. Will he want to do it? Will Jerry want to do it? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 But it feels like what Coach Prime is about, which people don't expect, like the accountability, this, you need to show up, you need to work. We need to win.
You need to be confident.

Speaker 1 We need to everything, all the dern things, man, that he talks about. It's like that's what football is kind of getting back to right now.

Speaker 1 It feels like if you start looking around at different places, he's a culture setter, plus he is a brand that is associated with Dallas already. Feels like it would make sense.

Speaker 1 Would he want to leave play right now?

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 8 I was going to say, I'm sorry to cut you out there, Deva, but he's a culture setter. He's a big personality.
He fits all into Jerry's ideas like that.

Speaker 8 And I think the other thing, to tie in what Troy was saying, I think Dion

Speaker 8 is smart enough, experienced enough, savvy enough to be able to be willing to do that job on Jerry's terms, which is always key to that job.

Speaker 8 And I think that's, I don't want to speak for Troy, but in my read was that's what he was referencing, that things in Dallas are done on Jerry's terms. And that's not great for everybody.

Speaker 8 But Deion Sanders has been in Jerry's world. He knows how it works.
He knows what Jerry's looking for.

Speaker 8 And I think if the Cowboys decided that Deion were the guy and if Deion decided that that interested him, Deion would know exactly what he's signing up for, and he could navigate that job on Jerry's terms.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Dion might have enough relationship with Jerry to be like, nah, you know, like that ain't, we're not doing that. Maybe we should do this.

Speaker 3 That's the other thing, yeah. Go ahead.
Would Jerry have that same respect for him to kind of, I guess, take a step back in some terms?

Speaker 3 Because they are big personalities, and obviously they know each other very, very well.

Speaker 3 But being the head coach, I'm sure he will want some say-so in personnel, especially with, you know, how hands-on he is with building the college program.

Speaker 3 So it'll be, it'll be, it would be very, very interesting.

Speaker 1 Kind of the notion, and I didn't know this because I hadn't paid attention to the Dallas Cowboys enough. No,

Speaker 1 no disrespecting regardless, like legitimately. I do not mean that as disrespect.
I just didn't pay attention close enough to the day-to-days.

Speaker 1 They say that there's like a narrative that anytime somebody gets bigger than a star, Jerry doesn't like it. Like Jimmy Johnson allegedly got bigger.
than the Dallas Cowboys brand.

Speaker 1 And anytime that happens, Jerry Dunn. Prime coming in there, he's already his own.

Speaker 1 Jerry would be able to handle that, a superstar that is also the head coach. Hey,

Speaker 8 I think if Jerry could take back Jimmy now, I don't know how I feel about it, but I think he trade a lot for another Super Bowl title, however that came to him.

Speaker 8 He'd be willing to go through a lot for that. And

Speaker 8 it's been a while since they've won.

Speaker 1 What's the likelihood? You said Prime told you he doesn't know because he doesn't know what Jerry wants. He also doesn't know how it's going to be set up, laid out.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of question marks, though, from all. In your your mind, in the history of covering the NFL, what is the likelihood that Coach Prime is coaching the Dallas Cowboys next season?

Speaker 8 Well, all I could say is it's certainly a possibility right now, which, again, gives you enough content to talk about. It's possible.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man.

Speaker 8 But let me give you more, right? Like, I think, in my mind, I think Jason Witten would be possible. Like, that's another one.

Speaker 1 Start off a Texas high school state championship. Come on.

Speaker 1 Texas won a high school state championship.

Speaker 1 They just won a high school state champion in Texas, bought. Do you know what that means, boss? Do you know what it is? That ain't real.

Speaker 1 What? Whoa, that's the realest there is, boss. I don't know if you know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 I'm willing to wager anything that Jason Witten isn't the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 2 I think Jeffrey is too.

Speaker 1 Well, really? Yeah, you just said that out real quick. No, I'm not.

Speaker 8 I put him in the possibility category. Like I put Prime in the possibility category.
And we're all waiting waiting to see what Jerry decides to do.

Speaker 8 I'm not telling you that he's going to be the head coach, but I definitely would not dismiss Jason Wynn from this conversation. Definitely not.

Speaker 1 I would like to say that it is a shame, okay? And this is what just happened with you, I think, and probably happened with many.

Speaker 1 When they heard Jason Wenton's name, they thought to themselves, the guy in the booth on Monday night football. Ebakum, Eba Keem, Ebakim, rabbit at the bottom.
Rabbit on the foot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the whole, yeah, okay. Remember, on the field, dog, in a locker room, beloved.
I got a chance to see him kind of work at a Pro Bowl. Everybody loves that guy, legitimately.

Speaker 1 I think the booth has potentially jaded a lot.

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 3 It's good in the booth.

Speaker 1 Okay, see, that's what the problem is.

Speaker 1 That's what the problem is right there.

Speaker 1 He was not ready for the moment. Don't do that.

Speaker 1 There was no reason to throw Jason Witten into the Monday night football booth, but they did without any seemingly practice or knowledge of what the job was.

Speaker 1 He threw his ass in there, and everybody forgot how good of of a football player that guy was. It legitimately happens just like that.
People can forget

Speaker 1 a legend on the football field, beloved by teammates and by everybody that I saw him interact with. And he just won a Texas High School State Championship.
That Balkan coach put a whistle in his hand.

Speaker 1 The boy's going to do something for him.

Speaker 8 By the way, they put him in the booth.

Speaker 8 because of the guy he is, because of the mind he has, because of the player he was, because of all those things, which is exactly all the traits that would make him, again, a possibility, a possibility here.

Speaker 8 And I think everybody has seen

Speaker 8 what Dan Campbell's done in Detroit and the culture he's brought there and the impact he's had on the roster in the city. I think people are looking for that type of thing.

Speaker 8 And I'm just telling you, like, a couple of people said, hey, that's the kind of impact they think Jason Witten could have if given the chance. Now, again, you're projecting a high school coach, but

Speaker 1 no, no, I got it.

Speaker 1 Again, people are who they are.

Speaker 8 And Jason Witten, take out the Monday Night Footballers, has been an enormous success at everything he's ever done.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Football-wise.
Related to football. Other than the booth.
The booth was rude. Booth is tough.
Beg pardon. Booth is not easy.

Speaker 1 On Monday Night Football, you're thrusted in front of millions.

Speaker 1 Hey!

Speaker 1 Millions! You don't even get the afternoon time slot to kind of cut your teeth with a couple hundred thousand people watching.

Speaker 1 You get thrust right in the line like he was not ready for that particular role. Is he when it comes to football and coaching? We shall see if he ends up being in the middle of it all.

Speaker 1 1237 Eastern Time, Shefty, I believe.

Speaker 1 Are you getting an update?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 One of these times you're going to break news.

Speaker 8 Well, Mike Tomlin just said in Pittsburgh that he imagines that there's going to be a lot of change there on a lot of levels in Pittsburgh, whatever that means.

Speaker 8 Oh, in the press because he just said that.

Speaker 1 Okay, so on that note, Tone has a question for you, Shrafty. Yeah, what kind of levels are we talking to? DC offense.

Speaker 1 He just said it.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe speculate a little bit.

Speaker 8 Well, again, both their quarterbacks are free agents for starters, right? They've got a number of free agents.

Speaker 8 And so we'll see how that works out. But

Speaker 8 I mean, look, they finished the season with five straight losses. They've lost six straight postseason games.

Speaker 8 I think that they recognize that they're going to have to change some things there, whatever that is.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 we said before, I don't see that ownership group, the Rooney Fit, they're not moving on from Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 8 I don't care how many people in the city of Pittsburgh are unhappy with the results or Mike Tommy. Mike Tomlin is a great head coach.
He's going to be the head coach there.

Speaker 8 He's got a no trade clause in his contract. So any team that's looked into it, and there have been teams,

Speaker 8 has been advised that there's a no-trade clause in his contract. Mike Toma controls it.
Owners aren't getting rid of him.

Speaker 8 And now they have to sit down, examine the roster, and figure out what they're going to do to get this team back to where they belong. Like their drought is, what it, eight, eight, how many years?

Speaker 8 Eight years without a playoff of post-season victory.

Speaker 1 And it's also.

Speaker 1 Never having a losing season, which is a massive compliment, obviously, to be able to have an above 500 record every year. But when you do that, you're picking 16 to 23 in the draft every single time.

Speaker 1 So, you know you're not getting a chance because mike thomas even said to chase young i believe uh i'm never gonna lose enough games to get a guy that looks like you okay and that's what steelers fans are saying we're never with tomorrow gonna be able to lose enough games to get a game changer not to chase young is i'm just saying the body style and the freaks that are up at top where'd they get tj what where'd they get tj what number was he 30 29 to 32 somewhere in there yeah

Speaker 1 That's right. Yeah, he was a game changer.
Yeah, what was Tom Brady drafted? He was pretty good. Oh, yeah.
199. Fuck it.
Why don't you just get rid of all your picks before 198? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Purdy. Jason said, you don't even need.
Oh, yeah. Was that the last pick of the draft? 265? Who needs any other pick other than who found a guy dead last?

Speaker 8 I just retweeted a Rams video or the 30, 13, when they drafted Puka in the fifth round. Like, dude.

Speaker 1 So why do you not even need draft picks?

Speaker 1 What do we even have a draft order for? What's up? Find him, Tony. Find your quarterback in the draft this year.
Yeah, figure it out.

Speaker 1 I didn't say anything about the draft. Kenny Pickett, 21.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 sitting there bring him home wait no he might be super bowl champion this year he could be i don't care what team it is everybody hits and everybody whiffs wow and the better teams hit more than they miss everybody misses needed they're gonna check lesneads resume here if he uh keeps going the way he is

Speaker 1 and it's like wow this guy this guy is unbelievable what he's doing okay so the pittsburgh stealers going to be changes at all levels so that all the levels of an organization there's ownership then there's general manager and front office then there's coaching Then there's scouting departments.

Speaker 1 Then there's assistant coaches. There's graduate assistant coaches.
Then there's like coffee break. Then there's like ticket sales.
What are all levels? Training, training.

Speaker 1 Training room. Cafeteria.
Equipment room.

Speaker 1 That's all levels, right? Groundskeeping. Yep.
We need better grass. Because remember, they had to go to the stadium during practice.
Anybody can get it. All levels.
Everybody's gone.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. That's a mass exodus, Don.
You know what that means?

Speaker 8 You know what that means? It means Tone is a Steelers fan, maybe in trouble, like all levels, including the fans. We had to change this up.
Do whatever it takes to change what hasn't worked.

Speaker 1 Couldn't turn your gear on.

Speaker 1 I couldn't agree more. Get the guy out of the fan hood.
Start shooting fans. He was doing sets of 4-9

Speaker 1 on bench so he could hear we go

Speaker 1 with Steelers fans unite. Getting rid of the towels? Completely duffy.
They're not getting real.

Speaker 1 That's changing all levels. Nah, don't you even think about it.

Speaker 8 We're changing renegade. We're changing renegade.

Speaker 1 Breaking

Speaker 1 it. For your life if you keep talking about it the way you're talking about it right now.
Terrible towels stay. It doesn't sound like it.
Renegade stays.

Speaker 3 What about that stupid Super Bowl song?

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Stealers.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh's going to the Super Bowl. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Mike Comlins firing everyone. Here we go.
Cause they can't get the job done. Here we go.
All levels are going to see new faces because this place stinks day in, day out.

Speaker 1 Here we go. Yeah.
Here we go. Maybe they get their own prax facility, too.
Yeah. Split that one with Pittsburgh, University of Pittsburgh.
Yeah, that university is ruining that entire city.

Speaker 1 Well, actually, well, they paid for a lot of it, too. Yeah, and they also just posted something about like they beat West Virginia in every sport.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Put shooting. They put a pick.
I don't know if Pittsburgh has a rifle team out. I don't know if it's allowed, but every sport basically, and the caption was pretty good.
It said, country woes. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 That is good. That was a good sound.
That is good. That was a good.

Speaker 2 And they did, you know, our dudes did the whole having a good time check.

Speaker 1 That tweet. Yeah.
Just wait, Rich Rod's back, though. Don't you worry about that.
Okay, there's a new West Virginia coming to town. Congrats to Pitt.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk about another team that needs all the help it can get. Maybe even a new Super Bowl song.
Go ahead, Con Man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Chef, you say every team hits and misses. The Jets don't hit.
They've kind of just missed. What is the situation with their head coaching search?

Speaker 2 We saw a report that it is highly, highly, highly three of them unlikely that Rex Ryan will be the head coach. Do they have a leader in the clubhouse there?

Speaker 2 Are they still kind of getting down to their finalists for their head coaching job?

Speaker 8 Well, it feels like their search is expanding rather than contracting. It just feels like there are more and more candidates interviewed there all the time.

Speaker 8 I think they're being very thorough in their approach.

Speaker 8 I expect that later this week that they'll begin whittling it down to second interviews for candidates for GMs, maybe even head coaches, depending on the schedule.

Speaker 8 I still think that when you're looking at the Jets, I believe Aaron Glenn is square in play there as one of the potential guys. Aaron Glenn is going to get a job in this cycle.

Speaker 8 Ben Johnson is going to get a job in this cycle.

Speaker 8 And I think that there's every possibility and probably likelihood that the Lions are going to be losing both their coordinators coordinators in this cycle.

Speaker 8 I'd be really surprised if both of them didn't come out of this with head coaching jobs.

Speaker 8 And I think Aaron Glenn is somebody that already is getting a lot of attention with the Jets, a lot of attention in New Orleans.

Speaker 8 And like I said, it'd be a major upset to me if he didn't come out of this with a job.

Speaker 1 Hey, play there? He was there? Yes. This would be going back.

Speaker 8 Played there, started his scouting career there. I think he coached like everything.

Speaker 1 Vrabes. It's just like Vrabes going up to New England, understanding the situation.
Would just be like Prime going to Dallas.

Speaker 8 So if Rabel gets hired to New England as a former player and Aaron Glenn gets hired to New York as a former player, Prime.

Speaker 8 Maybe Dallas will follow that model, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 that's what I was saying is they all kind of know how the shit goes.

Speaker 1 You know, like the question with the Jets, I assume for a lot of great candidate, coaching candidates, and there's a lot of Jets fans around the WWE crew, so it's kind of fun to chit-chat and watch their misery and really live through it.

Speaker 1 It's like there's a lot of coaches that have heard everything everything about Woody Johnson, you know, and he's not an ambassador for the next four years. He is going to be in the building.

Speaker 1 And one way or another, I know Woody's team isn't going to like to hear this. People hate working for you, brother.

Speaker 1 Like that is just kind of seemingly how it goes from a coaching department whenever people leave. Now, does everybody hate the place that they worked at if they get fired or move on? Potentially.

Speaker 1 You have to weigh all those things. But for these high, you know, highly sought after coaching candidates, are you just going to sign up to work for Woody Johnson?

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's a lot of people's like move, but Aaron Glenn been there, done that, understands the situation, we assume, and would hopefully be able to command enough respect around a building to be able to handle that type of thing, just like you would think Vrabes with the Patriots, with the Crafts because they know each other, just like you would think Prime with Jerry because they know each other.

Speaker 1 But are they, is that reality or not? I'm not, I don't know the world.

Speaker 10 You know what?

Speaker 8 Here's the thing. Like, I was on the phone with one of the candidates that interviewed with the Jets in the last year, and he's like, ah, talk with Woody.
He's great. And the thing, they haven't won.

Speaker 8 So if we went back and talked to the people that were working for Woody when Rex was coaching there and Tanabaum, like, I'll bet you they might not say things quite as negative about Woody, but when you're not winning and the owner's involved, then it's easy to just go rip on the guy.

Speaker 8 I got it. And yes, there are a lot of people that have not enjoyed working for Woody, but

Speaker 8 I think it's a byproduct. It's sort of like the disgruntled locker room.

Speaker 8 You know, you can go into any losing locker room and find people that are unhappy with the coaches and the front off because they're not winning and then go into a winning team and see how many people you don't hear as much winning silences it all losing exacerbates it all and it's pretty simple now again the jets have done something wrong for a long time because they haven't won playoff games they've been irrelevant they haven't come through but i i think pinning it on woody yeah At times is deserved, but it's low-hanging fruit to me.

Speaker 8 I agree.

Speaker 1 And his 17-year-old son deserves some blame too. But whatever, I'm joking, obviously, in this situation, that whole story was certainly seemed fake to read.

Speaker 1 And I understand what you're saying, too. You can always find somebody that is saying somebody else screwed them, you know, on a barstool, like this person screwed me.

Speaker 1 Injury, I would have done this. The coach didn't like me.
This whole thing.

Speaker 1 So I understand that there is a lot of disgruntledness to things, but coaches get fired from a lot of places and we don't hear the shit that we hear about. Woody.

Speaker 1 Now, is it because it's New York and it's a lot bigger spotlight?

Speaker 1 Maybe, but maybe that's also an opportunity for Woody to look in the mirror and be like, hey, maybe, maybe I can learn from this and evolve so the Jets can be great because the Jets fans, boy, they're riding with them.

Speaker 1 These people would just do it. Oh, yeah.
They're just, they're just in on it.

Speaker 3 I mean, I respect it. Me too.
Just sitting, you know, sticking by a franchise through shitty times, decades, generations. I mean, I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 Louise, who works for the WWE, is a Commanders fan, been a Commanders fan his whole life. And his kid is 28 years old, had never seen him win.

Speaker 1 Had never seen him win.

Speaker 4 So he almost got like choked up when I was talking to him yesterday he was like my son like finally got crazy like like celebrate like that's a beautiful thing hopefully the jets fans will be able to do that there's another coach that was made on the market yesterday that we were just talking about a little bit late into the process go ahead tai schmidt yeah chefy when it comes to mike mccarthy we know the bears want an interview with him and then also the saints There's a report that came out today that basically said like, hey, if McCarthy, obviously this wouldn't happen in Chicago, but if McCarthy were to get hired by the Saints, he'd have interest in a potential reunion with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 What is the likelihood that McCarthy is going to get a head coaching job in this cycle? And can you see a world in which him and Rodgers are paired up again this coming year?

Speaker 8 All the big swings and all the big topics today, right?

Speaker 8 We've got everything going on in Dallas, and now we're going to marry up Rodgers and Mike McCarthy again.

Speaker 8 First and foremost,

Speaker 8 you're having Aaron on next tomorrow? Is that correct?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think it's about chaos right now over in Southern california obviously he's he's in the middle of it right now but i think tomorrow or the next thing yeah well hopefully everything's okay out there and when you get him on i i think the first thing is whether he wants to play like that is when he's committed to playing then you could begin to discuss all these options and whether that would be um i think new orleans is

Speaker 8 financially committed to Derek Carr. Now, we'll see how that plays out.
You're going to have a new head coach. He'll have ideas.

Speaker 8 But the cap situation is such that I think he's on their books for like 40 million. And if they move on, they only gain like $2 million.

Speaker 8 So either way, he's counting for like $38 million. My math is a little might be a little off, but not terribly.

Speaker 2 And that ballpark.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 8 I think they're kind of committed. They have to be committed to Derek Carr, whoever the head coach is.

Speaker 3 I mean, maybe

Speaker 8 Mike McCarr,

Speaker 8 if Mike McCarthy gets that job and if Aaron Rodgers wants to play, and if they have the conversation, and if they, there's a lot of ifs that have to happen before we could get there, in my mind.

Speaker 1 Well, how about if Big Mike McCarthy,

Speaker 1 the prodigal Jinzer son, goes back to Pittsburgh to be offensive coordinator?

Speaker 1 Then Mike Tomlin just said he's not committed to Fields or Russell Wilson, willing to look to see what's available outside in his presser, just as of moments ago reported by Mark Kaboli.

Speaker 1 Now, Big Mike McCarthy is the offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And who's the quarterback? Aaron fucking Rodgers.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlins, the coach. We're getting changes at all levels.
Wherever levels. OC, sorry, Artie.
You're out of here. We're bringing in Big Mike, who understands what's going on around here.

Speaker 1 Isn't a big jag off. Not that you are, but isn't a jag off like everybody else.
He's going to feel obligated to win one for the time in which he grew up.

Speaker 1 And who knows your offense better than anybody? Well, Aaron helped me create it. Sweet.
He's available. Bang, Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh.
Tony Diggs, first reaction.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say Dak.

Speaker 1 But Aaron, Aaron would be... Aaron.
Oh, my.

Speaker 1 Tony Doggy.

Speaker 2 There's your answer.

Speaker 4 Not interested.

Speaker 1 There's your answer. Wow, wow.
All right.

Speaker 1 As we get out of here, Shefty, and kind of wrap up this entire convo, D-Bud has a question for you.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Shefty, been following your Twitter account, X account. Saw you put some names out there with some potential GM candidates for some teams.

Speaker 3 We got a graphic with the firings that have become available. Any other potential candidates?

Speaker 3 We know, I feel like we know most of the head coaching candidates are going to be hired in this cycle, but any potential GM candidates that we might not have been hearing about that are maybe picking up momentum towards some of these teams?

Speaker 8 You know, again, I think you're hearing a lot about a guy in Kansas City, Mike Bornganzi, like the Titans list, right, that they're bringing in for second interviews here.

Speaker 8 Just let me open up one second, right? So we got on that list, and I think these are some of the names you're hearing about,

Speaker 8 Terrence Gray, the Bills director of player personnel, Ian Cunningham, the Bears assistant GM, John Spytek, the Bucs assistant GM, Mike Bornganzi, Ed Dodds, John Eric Sullivan with the Titans as well.

Speaker 8 He's the Packers.

Speaker 1 Oh, those guys.

Speaker 8 Those are the names that seem to be coming up here. And I don't know that a lot of fans know them, but these are the guys behind the scenes that are...

Speaker 8 that are doing their work in a little bit of anonymity. And now they're getting their turn in the spotlight, which is deserved.

Speaker 8 And we'll see which of them can come through and land a couple of these GMs. What have you got? The Raiders GM job, the Titans GM job, the Jets GM job, right? I think those are the three right now.

Speaker 1 Patriots GM job, potentially. No, no.
Elliott Wolfe today.

Speaker 8 No, Elliott Wolf, well, I don't even think he's got the GM title, but he's staying in his job, whatever that is.

Speaker 8 And they're going to bring Ryan Cowden from the Giants who work with Raybull in Tennessee. He's going to come in and assist Elliott Wolfe underneath Elliott.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Wolf is just VP of player personnel.

Speaker 8 Yeah, well, now he's got an assistant VP of player personnel and Ryan Cowden.

Speaker 1 So he's not even close to the GM. So, yeah, but this guy is not Vrabes boss.
This dude's coming in.

Speaker 2 Yeah, to work under him.

Speaker 1 So these guys are working for Vrabes. Yeah, so Vraibes.

Speaker 1 Is that what's happening? Vrabes is.

Speaker 8 Vrabes is the man.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah, he is. Congrats, Vraibes.

Speaker 1 Congrats, Vraves. He is the man.
Hey, he's earned it. And we're going to do a little thing in the second hour that revolves around one of his answers to a question.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to watch him do his thing. I'm excited to see, you know, no name pops into a general manager role that we get sold that this is the next super genius.

Speaker 1 Every GM hiring cycle, we have no idea who these people are.

Speaker 1 No clue. We have no, you ratted off six names.
I know Ed because he's here in Indianapolis. He's got that bald head or whatever.
All those other guys, never heard of them.

Speaker 1 But if they get hired as a GM, you know what? These guys could see it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's exactly, that's the hope in this entirety.

Speaker 1 We appreciate the hell out of you, Sheff. There, anything we should be thinking about that might happen today? Anything happening today?

Speaker 8 Well, that's the great part about the NFL, Pat. It's the greatest reality show going.
We never know what's going to happen in a given day.

Speaker 8 And hopefully there's enough excitement from yesterday that carries into today and tomorrow and for a few days here before we get ready for these divisional playoff matchups.

Speaker 1 What do you throw like the pigeons? Whenever you're walking through your streets, breadcrumbs.

Speaker 1 That's basically what you do whenever you give us answers. I gave you enough air, didn't I? Go have a calm, buddy.
Go have a calm. We appreciate the breadcrumbs.

Speaker 8 I try to fatten you up. I try to give you as much breadcrumbs and morsels as I can.

Speaker 1 I don't need that right now, brother. We're looking good.

Speaker 8 You look good, Pat. You look good.
You look good.

Speaker 1 Can't be wearing light colors right now. It's been a long season.

Speaker 1 It's been an awesome season.

Speaker 1 But the food has been great, too. The food has been great this year.

Speaker 1 And that's always a problem. I need to get on the shifter workout plan.
This guy's always doing something and more, always moving. This guy's, how old are you? We just celebrate a birthday.
How old?

Speaker 8 58 years old.

Speaker 1 Well, 28. You do.
Well, that makes you wonder.

Speaker 8 Pat will call me. It's like the phone will ring.
It's FaceTime. It's, you know, 9:00, 8:30, 9 a.m.
I'm getting on my bike to go spin or whatever. What are you doing?

Speaker 8 Like, well, Pat, I'm trying to get some work in here, you know, just Pat likes to visit in on the workouts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like to check in, you know, just see where everybody's at. I like to FaceTime too, because I want to see how we're doing.

Speaker 1 You know, I want to see how we're doing just to see if there's a conversation. And every time you pick up, we appreciate the hell out of you.

Speaker 1 Even late last night, as I was flying back from Monday Night Raw, we were having a full conversation late night about everything that was taking place.

Speaker 1 You're the man, ladies and gentlemen, senior NFL eight center for ESPN, Michigan man, Adam Schefter here. Yes, Sefty.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Stefan. He always answers the phone.
Yes, he does. Literally always, always answers the phone, which I appreciate the hell out of him for, legitimately.
He'll be on here, whatever.

Speaker 1 Doesn't like to give us too much, though. No.
No, no, he doesn't. But I think he's scared to death that he's going to drop a morsel that's wrong.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden it's like, can't trust this guy with anything.

Speaker 1 Because there's been a couple of times where he said some things on our show, and maybe he delivered it wrong like the phrasing was wrong and uh wolf tweeted out or whatever and it's only i think it's happened twice or whatever he's like hey i didn't mean to say it that way is there any way you can help me out here and it's like you got it and i assume that's his source

Speaker 1 is being like hey i didn't say this

Speaker 1 oh my god i'm so sorry let me go back in there His job is a constant, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
You do his podcast with him once a week, the Adam Schefter Show.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, that's a big deal, too, because in that world, like, you do that once, like, you burn bridge with a guy forever.

Speaker 1 Trust, yes, need to be able to trust you.

Speaker 1 And he pulls out his notes. I had this from October 12th, 2023.
Yes. Somebody said Coach Prime was going to be in this.
So I started putting photos together, obviously, in my notes session.

Speaker 1 I've been waiting on it. I was ready.
I don't know if you guys saw it. I splooged out so many photos of them together.
I've been collecting them over the years.

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Speaker 1 Football! It is wonderful. We're incredibly lucky that we get to talk about it all the time, you know, and football is in its playoff season, so that means it's the greatest time of the year.

Speaker 1 We hope you had a phenomenal holiday season, but right now with the playoffs, especially with what took place last night, as a team that nobody could have expected to get hot towards the end of the season, has continued to remain the team that could potentially piece it together.

Speaker 1 and go and run all the way to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 In an NFC that has been dominating by, or dominated by the Detroit Lions and the Philadelphia Eagles, and the NFC North was the topic of convo.

Speaker 1 Nobody really thought the NFC West, which is potentially down this year, was going to have a team that could put it together and maybe go on a run.

Speaker 1 Well, say hello to the Monday night Modad from the Los Angeles Rams. Matthew Stafford was locked in.
Puka Naku was doing his thing. Higby was going bananas.
Karen Williams was obviously cooking.

Speaker 1 Cooper Cup is a guy. And Sean McVay is a damn good ball coach.

Speaker 1 Right now, the playoffs are set for the divisional round, not only in the NFL, but also the national championship is set for the College Football World. We're incredibly lucky to do this.

Speaker 1 I can't thank you all enough for allowing us to do this for a living. Joxy Tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt.

Speaker 1 Con man, seems like you're glowing a little bit after a piece of information that Adam Schefter shared with us just last hour.

Speaker 2 I mean, look, Mike Vrabel runs Patriots. And to be completely honest, we're the only team that's hired a head coach.
We are way above the curve. And by the way, we got the best head coach available.

Speaker 1 So all these other guys, all these other cool gurus that everybody likes, they're not proven.

Speaker 2 Mike Vrabel is, and he's going to do wonders with Drake May and the entire entire team.

Speaker 1 Let's go to one half of the hammer.

Speaker 1 Cowboys AP Tone.

Speaker 1 Pittsburgh Steelers are in an interesting spot. Mike Tomlin had his press conference today.
He is going to be the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers going forward.

Speaker 1 I think every Pittsburgh Steelers fan knew that, although there was a little bit of a buzz of get this guy out of here, just like there is every single year that the Pittsburgh Steelers lose another playoff game.

Speaker 1 He talked about changes at all levels. He talked about how, you know, Justin Fields, Russell Wilson are certainly guys that he likes, but he'll be looking at outside available options.

Speaker 1 Feels like Mike Tomlin said, I'm open to everything attached to nothing. Just like what Aaron Rodgers said.

Speaker 1 Is that how you took the press conference that just happened as you were catching up with it during the break?

Speaker 1 And are you jealous of the New England Patriots who have Mike Vrable in there as a culture and tone center, a quarterback in Drake May that is very young and seemingly promised to be successful?

Speaker 1 And you guys are once again, seemingly in a purgatory, even though another winning season happened. No, I think I'm happy where we're at.
I mean, Vrable would die to have Mike Tomlins' career.

Speaker 1 Mike Tomlin was never fired at the Tennessee Titans

Speaker 1 and had to go back to his organization, crawling back, begging and pleading to be a coach again. Nope.
So, no, I don't think so. That's not what happens.

Speaker 2 You better hope Mike Vrabel doesn't hear you say that because he'll beat the piss out of you.

Speaker 1 Yes, he would, but I've never seen it in my life, so why would I? So we're good there. I'm going to try to keep you away from Mike Vrabel locations.

Speaker 1 That's probably a smart move because his mitts are massive.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's base on bits.

Speaker 1 First time I met him in person was out there at the American Century Classic, the the golf tournament out at Lake Tahoe. And I was staying in Karen, and we had just walked seven and a half miles.

Speaker 1 How many miles is the 18 hole? That's good. Seven and a half miles.

Speaker 1 At least. Through the mountains.
20,000 steps. Through the mountains of Lake Tahoe, playing 18 holes of golf.
All things that I've never done before. Play 18 holes straight through.

Speaker 1 Never done that before.

Speaker 1 Walked 18 holes straight through. Had never done that before.
Walked through the mountains of Lake Tahoe. Had never done that before.
I was in a bad spot. Golfing really kicked my ass.
brand new jays

Speaker 1 brand new j golf i i mean these

Speaker 1 are great by the way that's what's that which doesn't help in this situation either yeah well they looked great they did they looked so cool but obviously because they were brand new my feet were sliding around and so i had bruised toes and blisters on my heels legs were tired knees were sore i was out of shape i was winded and in walked this barbarian of a man who just got done walking seven and a half miles maybe smoking three packs of sicks i think he was actually throwing away a pack while he was hitting a vape with three different things

Speaker 1 and cope in his face. And he walks up to me and I see this big mitt literally coming from around town like this.
And I go, oh, shit, this is a check. I've been in this situation before.

Speaker 1 This is a, how do we feel? What's this guy made of? What's the cut of said dude's jib that he's about to? And he smacked me on my, and he was trying to, I mean, it was a.

Speaker 1 It was a chop. It was a wrestling chop to my arm.
I flexed into it, leaned into it. Can't get punked around here by Mike Vrabel.
He will view me differently forever.

Speaker 1 This is a once-in-a-lifetime first impression situation that's taken place. Body felt terrible.
Mentally, I was on the probably 120 milligrams. I wasn't there either.
I mean, it was a whole situation.

Speaker 1 I walked it in, bang,

Speaker 1 handprint on arm for the next 35 minutes. He is a towering dude.
But he walks in. Remember, that was a conversation about Vrabel.
Last coaching cycle after he gets fired from the Titans.

Speaker 1 He would walk into some of these interviews and people would be intimidated by his presence. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 This time he walked into Kraft's office after Kraft called him. He didn't go begging for the job.
I bet Kraft called him. He walked in and he goes, Elliot Wolf, how you doing? You work for me now.

Speaker 1 That's sweet. If this is how this is going to go, I'm bringing my guy in here working together, working for me.
This team, I'll wear a little tie thing and I'll do whatever.

Speaker 1 Actually, he probably swallowed. He doesn't.

Speaker 2 He ain't spit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's swallowing Coke just straight down in there. I don't even know why I did that.
I'm so sorry. Vraves, I disrespect you like that.

Speaker 1 But he's a guy that whenever they talk MCDC, it's hard hard not to just be like, Vraves is exactly like that, but he's different. He's this super high football IQ, super geniuses, just like MCDC.

Speaker 1 I don't think that is ever talked about with these meat heads that did these head coaching jobs.

Speaker 3 And this guy, I mean, you don't play

Speaker 3 and involve yourself both ways. Like, he played both ways,

Speaker 3 multiple Super Bowl championships. You don't do that unless you are a smart player.
He didn't come into the league with, you know, super freak show numbers as an athlete.

Speaker 3 Where was he drafted with the Steelers? Late?

Speaker 3 So he came in there. Third or fourth round of players.

Speaker 1 They don't respect.

Speaker 3 Third or fourth round and came in. So you got to get through to have a successful career.
You got to be a heady player.

Speaker 3 And then obviously he earned his stripes in the coaching realms and got back to New England. Man, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 We talk about former players going back to their teams, but former players who were there during the height of the success, I think, is important too, to obviously know how things have been done.

Speaker 3 And then, sure, he's going to do a lot of things his own way. He learned a lot from Bill, but he also been around to block his own coaching.
So I'm excited about this new era.

Speaker 1 I believe there's a chance, you know, that some of the the do-your-job shit probably goes back up for sure. Like they covered that up for a year to kind of say, hey, it's a new era.

Speaker 1 It's a new chapter. They're doing this at a lot of buildings these days.
I guess that is kind of the new thing. Hey, we want to obviously understand what has happened here, but this is our chapter.

Speaker 1 We don't need to be walking around staring at old grates. We don't need to be reminded of what this place used to be while we're trying to forge our own path, forge our own river.
Teams do that.

Speaker 1 Okay, I was part of a team that did that. I was mightily confused.
I think the Seahawks did that.

Speaker 1 The Patriots allegedly did that whenever Coach Mayo got in there i'd assume that vraves uses some of bill's in his coaching yeah hey do your job is actually yeah it's actually our mantra too yeah we stole that yeah that is if we could actually put that up yeah you can just say you can do the wayne gretzky michael scott if you want to want to do that but i think it is for the fans i guess i would have to ask you This does feel like you're all the way back, like nostalgia almost while you're hiring Vrabes and you got your quarterback.

Speaker 1 This is a massive positive thing that's taking place in New England. And is Kraft back to being on the fan? The fans like Kraft.

Speaker 1 And are the Krafts able to go to the grocery store or walk around town in Boston again after this?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no doubt about it. Like I think Kraft doing this and obviously people are upset Mayo got hired after one year and that is what it is.

Speaker 2 But I think that was more so the Krafts kind of admitting like, hey, maybe we got this wrong. We screwed up.
We need to change it immediately.

Speaker 2 And Vrabel is so much more like a Belichick where maybe towards the end of Belichick, even some fans might have been like, okay, you know, without Brady, look at what this guy's doing.

Speaker 2 And that is the reality of how some fans felt but I think after one year of Mayo a lot of people were like man we had it we really had it pretty damn good with Bill and you know the way Mayo did it with the media I think people were sick of the way Bill was with the media and then they got one year of mayo and kind of the jovial kind of letting everybody know what's going on

Speaker 1 and people got really sick

Speaker 2 yeah and I think Vrabel brings that back and then you just think about too like the the do-your-job type thing for sure but I even go back to like the man in the arena tom brady dock the 10 episodes where he talks about you know the early days with new england and how guys like vrabel and william mcguinness and teddy brewski kind of helped shape the player that he was because vrabel came in in 2001 And that was the year Brady took over after Blutzel got hurt against the Jets.

Speaker 2 And so that was kind of Rabel's beginning of New England. You know, he was the start of the dynasty.
He was there those first few years. And you talk about Mayo.

Speaker 2 The difference would be, you know, when Mayo comes in, they are in a very established, already won three Super Bowls. We are kind of the team, the class of the league.

Speaker 2 Whereas Vrabel, when he got there, they were shite. They hadn't won a damn thing.
So it feels like not completely all the way there. You know, we're not shite.
The Patriots brand still is what it is.

Speaker 2 But these last five years have been shite. So it kind of is kind of like a rebirth.

Speaker 1 Pretty shitey.

Speaker 3 Pretty shitey.

Speaker 1 We were telling you how shitey it gets, though. Remember that? It was.

Speaker 1 We were telling them, like, hey, Bub, you've lived in a fantasy land. Yes.
They talk about that kid that goes to all the parades, the Boston youth.

Speaker 2 Yeah, who sits in the middle of the moment?

Speaker 1 What's his name?

Speaker 4 Something, McGillicuddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 1 Connor lived a very similar life.

Speaker 1 That was my life. He just didn't have the signs at the parades.
Connor was actually there ripping dots. Sure.
You know, probably talking shit to a lot of different towns at said parades.

Speaker 1 That was your life in every sport. And what we were trying to say is, like, hey, Bub.

Speaker 1 Water finds its level. You know, at some point, it's all going to have to go.
And then I remember you talking about, well, at least I got to remember, you know, these entire things.

Speaker 1 And there was a chatter from the Detroit Lions fan before he could have ever found out what his future was going to be like. He's like, this is the rest of your life now.
You're like the rest of us.

Speaker 1 Your life sucks. You're just hoping to go 10 and 7 and win a playoff game for the rest of your life.
That's what it's going to be. And it feels like you had to.
kind of deal with that for a bit.

Speaker 1 Then you had to acknowledge that you guys are going to be terrible. Now it feels like you Patriot fans are coming back to your ways a little bit.
Doesn't it?

Speaker 1 Doesn't it feel like the Patriots Malt C is kind of coming back over the last 24 hours of Frambles? It feels like the mass holes are starting to get a little bit back to like, you all forgot.

Speaker 1 You all forgot who we were. It does feel like that on the internet with you mass holes.
And I want to let you know, I respect the hell out of it. I'm so happy you guys are back.

Speaker 1 Great fan base to be back into the, you know, the relevancy world whenever it comes to football and the NFL as a whole. And I think Frames is ready to bring that type of mindset back.

Speaker 4 The only difference now, as opposed to then, is the Josh Allen's in the division. And like, there is already like an established, you know, kind of of big bad wolf in that division.

Speaker 4 Not that the Patriots couldn't get there with Drake May and everything, but there was never that, there was never that other team ever. You know, it was like

Speaker 4 all those other teams, you know, the Jets had like a little bit of a run, but like they were never worried about the Bills or the Dolphins or the Jets.

Speaker 4 And now it's like, oh, shit, you know, Josh Allen and those other guys are pretty good.

Speaker 1 How do the other guys feel? Let's go to one half of the hammer. Don.
Cowboys, Bubba Gumpino. Gumpy, how's the future of the Dolphins with this Vrabel signing, you think?

Speaker 12 I feel like absolute shite about it, to be honest. Vrabel owned us when he was with the Titans because he plays tough football, and that's just something we don't do.

Speaker 12 So, yeah, we'll see how next year goes. You know, we're probably one year away from a complete rebuild.

Speaker 1 I was going on like probably a four or five-minute rant just about the Patriots getting Vrabel back and like culture setting and everything he's saying and doing is right. And Gumpy just looks over.

Speaker 1 Dolphins are dead again.

Speaker 1 And I said, what do you mean? He goes, Dolphins, normally okay against Patriots, but Dolphins terrible against Vrabel because Vrabel, tough guy. Now he and the Bills play tough football.
We're dead.

Speaker 1 Now we're the worst in the division and the Jets are going to.

Speaker 1 Dumpy just sat back, opened his phone, just started scrolling.

Speaker 1 That's what he can do. It was a real moment of

Speaker 12 the life of a Dolphins fan, man. It has been a tough ride.

Speaker 1 Well, Tyreek is in, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was.
Rosenhaus said he was, but then

Speaker 1 the funny thing about that when Debuzz doubled down,

Speaker 1 he said he didn't talk to him. So I don't know what that was about.

Speaker 1 It feels like we got no answers there. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, might be a man who has the answers.

Speaker 1 He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup winner, father of 10, ladies and gentlemen, the former president of Ohio, AJ Hall. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Great haircut today, Age. Wow.
Wow. You are glowing.

Speaker 1 You are glowing, Age. And it's a big day today, Age.
We're talking a lot about Frames. You know a lot about Frames, obviously, Ohio State legend that he is.
Everything we're saying is accurate.

Speaker 1 And do you think it's warranted for patriots fans to be as pumped as they are especially finding out now that he's basically general manager yeah as well as head coach and do you think it's warranted for dolphins fans to say oh here we go we're dead again age

Speaker 10 i so i i feel gumpy's pain i i can i i would imagine having braves sign there like i feel like con man's right like you should have your moxie back like that's what a signing like brabo does that's like you guys all know you you just talked about how he came and put his big meat paw on your shoulder and basically gives you an imprint for the next eight hours just because he's he's trying to say hello Like he has a presence about him.

Speaker 10 And Braves is one of those great mixtures of people that I've mentioned before. Every once in a while, people come around and they are these weirdly super intelligent meatheads.

Speaker 10 And that's what Braves is. Like he is absolute guys guy, like tough as nails, will do anything and run all day.
He'll never quit. But he also is weirdly smart.

Speaker 10 And usually you don't get that combination together. And Braves is that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we talked about MCDC being a very similar man. Now, I think they have different energies about them.

Speaker 1 I think they have a different meathead vibe about them, but you can't just be a meathead, dumbass. Okay.
No. You have to be able to relate to players.
You have to be able to get your message across.

Speaker 1 You have to be able to have strategy that has success to get people to continue to buy in. It's like, I got faith in frames up there.

Speaker 1 I actually hate how much I've, my wife too. Sam grew up Indianapolis Colts fan, obviously during the entire Peyton Manning, Tom Brady era, everything like that.

Speaker 1 She's just like, of course, the Patriots, get it right. They just hired a coach a year ago.
Just hired a coach a year ago. We're supposed to go through a three, four-year period of, do we got it?

Speaker 1 Do we not got it? You know, supposed to be one of those things.

Speaker 1 And instead, they just go, nope, not doing this. We're going to get a guy in there.
And because Colts had to play the Titans so much and

Speaker 1 how old Frabes led that team. They had like 100 injuries.
I forget what the number was. It was like 100 injuries or something like that.

Speaker 1 Still the number one team in the AFC, hosted a playoff game, won the AFC South. Was the home team for the playoffs?

Speaker 1 Now, granted, they would go in to lose even after they sacked Joe Burrow 11 times, 10 times?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they also had nine. That was the record they tied last night.

Speaker 1 Okay, so nine sacks or whatever it was. So it's like what he was able to do at Tennessee with seemingly limited roster every single year.
It's like, this guy wins games.

Speaker 3 Overachieve.

Speaker 1 That's literally what he does. Vrabo wins games.

Speaker 10 Steals games. They steal those games that like kind of you shouldn't win.
All of a sudden, Braves finds a way to steal a couple games a year. And that's gigantic in the NFL.

Speaker 2 And that's what they said or in Taylor of the Wands kind of little video that he put out about Vrabo, like, hey, you're going to win those close games.

Speaker 2 And last year, this past year with Mayo, we lost six one-scored games the year before with Belichick still, but we lost nine one-scored games. It's like those close games maybe will go our way.

Speaker 2 And then you think about the players that he had in Tennessee, like I personally, and maybe this because I'm a Patriots fan, like what Drake May can be is exponentially higher than what Mariota and Tannehill were.

Speaker 2 So it's like the future and the potential of what they could be

Speaker 1 massive. They're going to do it again.
They're going to do it again. Josh Allen's still there.
It is a massive ordeal for the rest of the AFC. Colts fans are like, yeah,

Speaker 1 they still got a deal with that over there. So let's not start getting our Patriots' nightmares back just yet.
Now, let's talk about those close games. You talk about those close games?

Speaker 1 There's only one of them during Super Wild Card weekend. Last night continued basically what the first round of playoffs have been for football this year.

Speaker 1 27-9 dub for the Los Angeles Rams over the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 1 Obviously, there's question marks all over Minnesota right now about what that future looks like with unsettled questions at the quarterback position. But in LA, how about it, Age?

Speaker 1 I talked about it with Schefter. I talked about it with the boys.
I'm so incredibly impressed by this squad because there's no way. This is just like the Texans.

Speaker 1 The Texans, there's no way you're supposed to win these playoff games, but they do. They have something about them.

Speaker 1 Sean McVay has something about him where he has his teams ready to play in the biggest moments. And this team has gotten hot late.
This is the best time to figure out how to play football.

Speaker 1 Then Schefter said last week was their best week of practice all year. Buy-ins at an all-time high.
Health is at an all-time high. Interplay is at an all-time high.

Speaker 1 The Rams are dangerous and none of us could have ever expected this, but I guess we shouldn't count out Matt Stafford ever.

Speaker 10 Well, think about it, though. We don't even have to count on Matt Stafford having a gigantic day.

Speaker 10 I know he did have a great day, but their defense, so they win the turnover margin and they score on defense in a playoff game. What are the odds that you lose that game?

Speaker 10 I would imagine if you take care of those things, you're probably going to win the game. But, I mean, nine sacks.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 10 I know Les Need has been getting the pub that he deserves, but man, like when you look at what they have done and what they have drafted and the big hole that they were in and everything, it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 10 And they're actually fun to watch. Like I love when they show Shua on the sideline.
He gets all jacked up. He's got a sweet haircut.
He's over there. He's super juiced.

Speaker 10 He's pumping the dudes up like they're a fun team to watch, and you're right. Like they are kind of a scary team to think about running into here in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 And a lot of the players on their team don't know what they don't know. Yeah, you know.
Like, hey, they have no idea.

Speaker 10 That's a great thing.

Speaker 1 That's a great thing to have sometimes. Because you can just have blind optimism.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah we're supposed to be here yeah this is how this is supposed to go and obviously they all had success in college and in football life before but like in the nfl playoffs sometimes that can loom over people you know like i can't win the big one can't win the big one it's like this entire defense that was young and came together late started playing they've already won one you've already won a playoff game against one of the best offenses in the history of the league with one of the best wide receivers of all time it's like what a performance kind of i don't want to say boost confidence but almost prove to yourself like yeah we are supposed to be in this dance and we're lucky for it as fans is being young and naive does that help because i know they have to they gave up 255 on the ground to saquan this year they're going to play saquan again is being young and naive does that help in the second match being like oh we just didn't do the right things in that one yeah you remember that i did

Speaker 3 remember performances like that they're definitely going to have to uh bring something else to the table game plan wise and you know saquan at any given point you know it'll be hammer home hey we got to get 11 hats to the ball we got to be gap disciplined because you miss a tack on that second and third level with Saquon.

Speaker 3 It's going 50, 60, 70 for a home run. It's not just a 20-yard game.
So they'll definitely remember that, but they can definitely flip the page. And after a big win like this,

Speaker 3 you definitely have that big, big confidence. It was one year in, we were one seed in New England, 14-2, I think, during the season.

Speaker 3 Beat the dog shit out of the Jets on Monday night football late in the season. And then fast forward to the divisional round, they beat us.

Speaker 3 That was the Bart Scott, you know, can't wait, couldn't stop a nosebleed. So you can definitely, it's hard to beat the same team twice the same way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then, you know, there is a chance you can just beat the hell out of people again, just have their numbers. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 That's why football is absolutely magical. The Vikings now join the latest cast of teams that are

Speaker 1 heading the goal for fish. Steelers, Packers, Chargers, Bucs, Broncos, Vikings, obviously all in the middle of their offseasons.
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 Think about the run that all these teams have had this year. Think about the Vikings' run.
Just two weeks ago, they were up for the number one seed in the NFC. 14 wins.

Speaker 1 Holy hell, we're the Minnesota Vikings. They had that moment where Sam Darnold was getting carried in the locker room.
Kevin O'Connell was watching this side. This is why you coach.

Speaker 1 This is what we're trying to build to. This is everything we're looking for.
And then boom, in an instant, it's over. Now what all these teams have to do?

Speaker 1 Well, I tried to put a list together of basically all the things that have to happen. Here's the Lombardi at the top of the mountain.
Okay.

Speaker 1 It is being scaled by 32 teams at the beginning of the season. Then we get the super wild card weekend.
There's only 14 left.

Speaker 1 Then each week they fall off, fall off, fall off, and only one gets to the top. And that place has seemingly been locked down by the Chiefs flag for a long time.

Speaker 1 But all these guys down at the bottom that just lost join a litany of other coaches trying to figure it out. And for all the success that you had, you had a playoff-winning team.

Speaker 1 You got to rebuild again. You got to rebuild this whole thing again.

Speaker 1 You got to renegotiate with all your top players and coaches because they're going to want more money, especially if you're on a successful team.

Speaker 1 If you're a defense coordinator and defense has won you some games, got you to the point that you're at, you're getting paid crap, shite, maybe some other teams are looking interest.

Speaker 1 Well, you got to go renegotiate for a bigger deal. So you got to figure that whole thing out.
They got to reevaluate if what they're doing is working, right?

Speaker 1 Especially this guy right here, Mike Tomlin, legend, one of the greats of all time, has never coached a losing season in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Has not been able to get past the first round in eight years, almost a decade since anything good has happened. You have to reevaluate how you're doing things.

Speaker 1 He says changes are coming at all levels. You have to recommit to the climb.
This is a lot. You see these things here? This shit gets heavy.
Steep. Shit gets heavy.
It gets monotonous.

Speaker 1 Every day is the same day, training camp. Every day is the same day, season.
Every day is the same day. God do the right things every single time.
Because if God bang, you're holding the team back.

Speaker 1 You're an anchor.

Speaker 1 You're a big pile of dump that's kind of weighing everybody down. That's pulling the whole group back.
You got to recommit to the entire process, which sucks. Then you got to reinvigorate everybody.

Speaker 1 Because when you lose, it's disappointing. We're so close.
Climax right there. Blue balls.
We win nothing.

Speaker 1 You got to reinvigorate the the whole building. You got to reimagine what you are, and then you got to restart from the beginning.
That is what

Speaker 1 now has to happen for the Minnesota Vikings in an instant. In an absolute instant, it's all over.
Great year, historic year, dream year. Kevin O'Connell, super genius year, beat flow with the defense.

Speaker 1 Holy hell. We got everything coming together at the right time.
And then you lose on a Monday night to the Rams and all the Rees. that you have to do to get back anywhere near that position sucks.

Speaker 1 That's why you have to pay respect to what the Patriots were able to do for a 20-plus year period.

Speaker 1 That's why you got to pay respect to what the Chiefs are doing right now as we watch. It is so hard to win.
It is so hard to continue to win. It is so hard to get through all the bullshit.

Speaker 1 Like think about Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 1 We were talking about them on a plane last night, Gumpy and I as we were flying. It's like we assume that they're going to be better next year, but they still got Chase and Higgins to deal with.

Speaker 1 That's just on your team.

Speaker 1 Those are two guys that they can keep on their team already, let alone everybody else on the outside, let alone a new defense coordinator, let alone Zach Taylor, and how's it all going to work out?

Speaker 1 There's just so much shit that you have to deal with all the time.

Speaker 1 So whenever you lose and you're out of it in the building, obviously it's devastating, but it's also what Tomlins said, you know, like he's ready for the process to get back. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 to get back even into the conversation of potentially getting to the top of the NFL AJ. That's no fun.
That's a nightmare. As I was typing these out, I was like, golly, golly, golly.

Speaker 1 Just think about the massive amount of effort and amount of task that is in all of those things. That as soon as you lose your last game, bang, you got to start now to get back to the top.

Speaker 1 It's crazy, H. It's a wild business, this NFL.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you going through that, honestly, it's scary. Like, it gives you, like, it gives me goosebumps thinking about how terrible it is when you do have this great season.

Speaker 10 You never even think of it ending. You're like, okay, yeah, let's do this.
We're going to go make a run in the playoffs. If you're the Minnesota Vikings, how great the year was, how fun it was.

Speaker 10 And then as the clock's getting close to zero and you realize you're not winning this game, all that runs through your head. Like, man, I got to go clean out my locker.

Speaker 10 Like this season, like, it's so weird that the season ends that quickly and you're like talking about the coaches mentioning like on the plane about exit meetings, when you're going to have them the next day or the following.

Speaker 10 You're like, are you serious? Like, this is all over? It's just even to get back to training camp is so long. So you're thinking like, all right, we're going to, next year we're going to do it.

Speaker 10 You're always ready to roll already, I feel like. But you don't, you realize, man, I got a couple months until our off-season program even starts.

Speaker 10 I don't even know if I'm going to be on this team anymore. Who knows if they even want me here? So there's just so so much that ends in an instant.
That's what does make football the best.

Speaker 1 That's why we watch. It makes it the best.
And if you're on the team, it makes it the worst. Because all Sam Donald's going to think about all offseason is those last two games.

Speaker 1 That's all he's going to think about. Those last two.
Had the greatest season he could have ever had. The season he needed to have on a prove-it year.
He had it. Last two games, terrible.

Speaker 1 All he's going to think about all offseason. From a player's perspective, it's like, how do you get better? How do I recover? How do I get healthy in time? What surgeries am I going to have?

Speaker 1 What surgeries am I not going to have? It came out. Bo Nix had what, three fractures?

Speaker 4 Transverse fractures in his back.

Speaker 1 It happened against the Raiders. There was a shot that he took to his side.

Speaker 1 He played the next week against Cleveland, and then there was a bye week, and then he beat the hell out of the Indianapolis Colts after the bye week, and he plays all the way through the wild card with three cracked vertebraes or whatever it is in this guy's back, playing like this.

Speaker 1 It's like, what? Like, this is awesome that this younger generation still has guys like this. Now, I know Bo's older because

Speaker 1 Bo played

Speaker 1 a lot of football, but it is nice to know that there's another generation of football players that are willing to play through a broken freaking back.

Speaker 1 I think he actually said, and Deebuck, correct me if I'm wrong, that next game against Cleveland was like Monday Night Football or something like that.

Speaker 1 And he had a couple fractures in his back, and he was like, I'm not missing my Monday night football. No way.
Like, I've dreamt my whole life to play. That's love of game.

Speaker 1 That's love of sport. Quarterback.
And I'm happy to hear that from Bo Nicks because I don't know if you've been seeing a lot of these quotes from a lot of these teams that have exited, AJ.

Speaker 1 I don't love it. Seems like like we're hearing a very similar message from a lot of these places, you know, and I'm not used to us hearing this immediately upon teams ending their season.

Speaker 1 Feels like it's a lot of like accountability issues. Got to check the ego at the door.
You know, Tucker Kraft came out and said, it's been brewing for us.

Speaker 1 You know, we could kind of feel that this was going to happen. Said he plans to step up as a leader.
Wouldn't call the season a complete failure, but definitely disappointing.

Speaker 1 And then said the Packers need to wake up. I think that's like an urgency thing.
That is like an accountability thing.

Speaker 1 Mike McDaniel said, you know, you got to let guys know that they can't do it, but I can't just find them and they don't care. What else am I supposed to do?

Speaker 1 And then George Pickens in the Pittsburgh Steelers situation is continuing to be a big one because the Steelers, once again, don't win a playoff game.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, this guy was late to the game on Christmas. So, I mean, that's just one particular thing that was being reported.

Speaker 1 It feels like accountability is starting to become something that is lacking. And we wondered what the ripple effects were going to be of the NIL Transfer Portal era.

Speaker 1 We did wonder what that was going to be. And I'm not saying that it is a clean sweep.
I don't ever want to brush something with a broad brush.

Speaker 1 You know, that'd be rude to do an entire generation like that because clearly there are still a lot of dogs that are playing in the sport.

Speaker 1 But I think there's a lot of guys that since like high school have kind of been like the breadwinners almost for the family.

Speaker 10 They've been the dude, right? They've been the dude. So they don't, no one's been able to really tell them anything.
That's the problem.

Speaker 1 Because they're making more money than everybody. And it's like, hey, what are you talking about?

Speaker 10 Who are you? And coaches, a lot of times, though, coaches at a young age will tend to put up with that because the dude's a superstar.

Speaker 10 And you're going to keep your job because the dude catches four touchdowns a game.

Speaker 1 Be who you can afford to be has always been a thing.

Speaker 1 Well, these kids at a younger age are able to be something that only professionals have been able to be because they are becoming professionals younger, but I don't think they're becoming pros.

Speaker 1 You know, like that's the, that's the issue.

Speaker 1 I think in the NFL, it's like, be a pro, be a pro, be a pro is how people describe like accountability, being on time, making sure you're taking care of your shit.

Speaker 1 And it takes time for people to become a pro, but it feels like there's far less pros than there was back in the day.

Speaker 1 And it feels like there's a lot more professionals that have kind of been treated in an entitled fashion, you know, kind of have been enabled their entire lives.

Speaker 1 And now with college, if they run into any adversity. It's like, yeah, you can get out of here and you'll get paid more.

Speaker 1 You'll actually get rewarded more for running away from any trouble or potentially meanies that are

Speaker 1 not accepting of how you're playing now and want to make you even better. And here's, once again, Coach Vrabel talking about that exact point with Patriots Unfiltered up in New England.

Speaker 7 The accountability,

Speaker 7 maybe they were enabled

Speaker 7 at college.

Speaker 7 Don't want to tell them things that may disappoint them or upset them for fear for them to go and look for another offer.

Speaker 7 You know, so sometimes that leads to a player that's not as accountable to the team as he needs to be.

Speaker 7 And that's okay. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 7 we can change, we can, you know, do our part to help change some of those behaviors.

Speaker 1 We can fix that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 10 These guys suck, but, you know, what a nice way to say, like, these guys are, some of these guys are turds and they're not going to be here.

Speaker 10 He doesn't know his current roster, but there are guys. Yeah, he, what a nice way for him to describe that whole, that process that's going to play out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and we can help try to change that too.

Speaker 1 You know, some of these guys are turds and they suck debut how do you think you go about finding guys i think a big part of this next era right now of having a successful nfl team and even college team is you can't pick the turds you just gotta how do you figure out who they are because if you get a turd you're in trouble You're already set back money-wise.

Speaker 1 The rest of the locker room sees it. The building sees it, everything like that.
But if you get the right guys, you got guys playing through broken backs.

Speaker 1 You know, there is, there's different levels of this thing. There's different messages.
There's different cultures basically, being decided by these decisions. How do they know who's the right guy?

Speaker 1 How do you know legitimately?

Speaker 3 You try to do your research as much as possible. And we hear it when you're getting recruited for college or you're getting recruited for the draft, you know, the coaches or whoever they call your

Speaker 3 high school janitor, your high school coach, your teacher, obviously your parents, all these different people, and try to get as much background as possible. And sometimes there are terrors.

Speaker 3 Sometimes they're just immature. and you can put them in the right environment.
You put them in the right meeting room. You put them in the right building.

Speaker 3 and they can definitely i've seen it i know i've seen it before where a lot of guys come in a certain way and they're just around certain people and held to a different standard and they definitely change and mature and become pros and i think all of us had to learn how to become pros what that actually means regardless of how good your intentions are you got to learn how to watch film you got to learn how to take care of your body you got to learn what to do in the offseason so i think a part of it is so much movement so much turnover not only with coaches but players you know players so now these young guys coming in maybe have a good attitude and maybe on that line on that fringe, they're in a good room around good vets.

Speaker 3 Because I think vets, I think coaches are important for sure. The front office resource, all that stuff is important.

Speaker 3 But I think most importantly, it's the vets and how they police their own locker room. Then once they leave and go on, it's the next group.
That's what you saw with the Patriots.

Speaker 3 Like the Patriots, it was one areas, the Ty Law, the Vrabels, the Brewskies, and then that kind of the next iteration of that was McCordy and Chung and Edelman and Gronk and Brady and all those certain guys who are kind of the pillars in those programs.

Speaker 1 And they, hey, this is how we do things around here so i don't i don't think we have as much of that of that so it's not so much the the the players changing but it's the environments that i think are changing you know too much or too fast i agree completely as somebody that got in trouble early and then learning and watching and yeah observing and and listening you know and it was it was i was very lucky that i got to watch adam vinetary work and be in that locker room and kind of watch how they do it and i think that's why i was so open to like zaire about like hey is your locker room man like i think accountability and being on time and work ethic and everything.

Speaker 1 And now, granted, I'm not in this era. So I do not know this era at this time in the locker room.
But I think that's a big locker room thing as opposed to anybody. Coaches can say whatever they want.

Speaker 1 You know, they could find McDaniel and say, I could find,

Speaker 1 I could find whatever. I'm finding these dudes hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And they just don't care.

Speaker 1 They're literally just laughing in my face. They said they sold a t-shirt yesterday and made 200,000 bucks.
So I don't know what you want from me. That's basically what McDaniel said.

Speaker 1 But like the locker room kind of has to be the ones that say like, that's not how we go about doing this in our eyes. I think we're all seeing it the same way, right?

Speaker 3 The locker room for sure. But Bill, like I know in New England, like we had like a flash blizzard out of nowhere and like guys showed up.
I was one of the guys, probably like five, six of us.

Speaker 3 We showed up maybe, I showed up like probably four or five minutes late.

Speaker 3 And you not only get fined, you get fine for missing a whole day. You got sent at that point, you get sent home with your film and you're gone for the day.

Speaker 3 So you just, you show up at 8.05 or whatever it is. You're out of, you sit home.
It wasn't just me.

Speaker 3 I was, I think, a rookie at that point, maybe a second-year player, but it was, you know, 10-year events, superstars, a couple guys you missed, you're gone.

Speaker 3 So everybody's kind of held to that same standard. And his point was like, hey, we're in New England in the middle of the winter.
Like, yeah, like, you know, be a pro.

Speaker 1 Everybody else was able to.

Speaker 3 So that was kind of the standard. And it's definitely, and you just understood it.
You took it.

Speaker 3 And like these things that happen, people being late or missing treatment, that may, it may be a one-off or a two-off here with the team for the year, but that's not like, oh, I can't keep finding these guys.

Speaker 3 Like, what do you want? Like, that, that, you, like, you, that. Shane Steichen said that's terrible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, guys are gonna be late guys aren't gonna show up on time every time It was like that was enough. I heard everything I needed to hear right there.
Yeah, I heard

Speaker 1 like I heard everything right there, and it's it's you know, and I'm not just pointing out it's not just the Colts I'm learning.

Speaker 1 I think I'm just so close to the situation here with the Colts that I think it's like, oh, this team is like this. I think there's a chance that this

Speaker 1 is how we're going to figure out who wins and who doesn't.

Speaker 1 The team that is able to deal with the, I don't want to say lack of attention attention on accountability, but seemingly the lack of care or value for accountability from the team as a whole, that team is going to stink forever.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter who they have owning it. It doesn't matter who they have coaching it.

Speaker 1 I guess the coach probably sets a standard, but it doesn't matter if the locker room does not care about anything.

Speaker 1 You're never going to win.

Speaker 10 No matter how talented they are, eventually

Speaker 10 they may get in the playoffs or something, but eventually they're going to quit when it really matters and they're going to turn on each other.

Speaker 1 It shows up when it shows up. That's kind of the, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 3 Take care of all that shit. That just, and coaches always said, that just gives you a chance.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 That just being in your playbook, take care of your body, being on time, like that just gives you a chance to compete.

Speaker 3 That doesn't guarantee you're going to go out here and win, but that gives you the best chance.

Speaker 3 And the McDaniel thing, I mean, the coach thing, all of it is bad, but the McDaniel thing was worse because when you see that, you know, that's not like the 40th guy on the roster.

Speaker 3 You know, that's not the fit. That's got to be like a star player or star players who are just repeatedly showing up.

Speaker 3 We always say, act how you can afford to act so if you're getting paid 20 25 30 million dollars a year you can continue to do that because they're not going to get rid of you making two three times what the head coaches make what the gm is making so they're not probably not going to get rid of you you know you're safe to a certain point if you're a backup or you're a fringe starter you're not going to be doing that so those are the guys who tend to set the cultures in a locker room so the teams that are still in it

Speaker 3 You don't you don't hear pretty much any of that shit.

Speaker 1 It's been fascinating to hear all of this this year, though, because I think there is a nice mix of people that like want to be pros.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't want to say people that want to be pros, but there's people that are like, this is not how this is supposed to look. Majority, I would assume.
Yeah, majority, we would assume.

Speaker 1 We would hope, at least. You know, like DeForest Buckner coming out and being like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, there's just a lot.

Speaker 1 Everybody's going to have to check their egos. Tucker Kraft being like, we got to wake up.
Like, we got to do this. He's young players.

Speaker 4 Well, that's what I was going to say with us talking about the Packers being one to two years away.

Speaker 4 And I think if you're a Packers fan, maybe kind of worries you a little bit is, yeah, he's in his second year.

Speaker 4 So it's like if he's, and I think their offense, I think Josh Jacobs is the oldest guy on the offense and he's like 27. Like they're, in, they're the youngest team in the NFL.

Speaker 4 They don't really have those vets on either side of the ball.

Speaker 4 So you could see why when things start going bad, it's like, should a second year tight end who's kind of starting to ascend as like a big-time dog, like, I don't know if it's fair that he's the guy who needs to kind of bring the locker room together and be like the leader to kind of get him back on the right path.

Speaker 1 There's some young guys. I think Ray, right? Like there's some leaders that are leaders like

Speaker 1 immediately, you know? And then there's some guys that evolve into their leadership roles.

Speaker 1 I think as the team continues to evolve and you're still on the team photo that's on the wall in the hallway longer and more photos than everybody else, it's like you've been here.

Speaker 1 You kind of understand how this is supposed to go. It's a tough thing whenever there's adults.
and a lot of money at line and how you think something's supposed to go and how it's actually going.

Speaker 1 I couldn't even, like, I'm so happy I played the position I played.

Speaker 10 It's like, there is not even a question of me to talk you know so I don't even have to not that I saw anything in the first but you but by you can everyone can be their own like there's all different kinds of leaders though by you doing your job and them seeing you take it serious like that's being a leader that's part of it we're like hey it's not cool it's not cool to mess around and think it's funny if you mess up or something goes wrong like that's when culture gets really bad if see you see guys like joking about getting beat deep or something like hey man like i this never this is never funny we saw a guy come onto a plane after we got our ass be worried about uh card debt, and

Speaker 1 that was one of the worst things I've ever seen him. That's what I do.

Speaker 1 That's what I do. I'm about done with all this.
What am I wasting my time for doing this? In emotion. Yeah, why do I care? Why do I care?

Speaker 1 That was somebody else getting the ball. That was somebody else getting the ball.

Speaker 1 I mean, we just got smoked.

Speaker 1 Bingo, loud, laughing, coming on the plane. Like, what?

Speaker 1 What are we talking about, man?

Speaker 2 Well, you could have been a Jago.

Speaker 1 See you on Monday, maybe.

Speaker 4 Like, you could have been a Jagoff, too, after you got arrested and just been like, ah, fuck it, whatever.

Speaker 1 I couldn't have been. They would have gotten arrested.

Speaker 2 But you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 I was nowhere near good enough to be that big of a distraction on bye week. And that was the

Speaker 1 conversation I was having with myself in my cell that particular morning. Whoa, I can't wait to get out of here.

Speaker 1 It felt like I was in Aaron Rodgers' darkness, but instead, it was a glass cage in the holding cell because I was a special inmate.

Speaker 1 While all these others were just staring at me while we were going in for booking, I was just in the middle of my thoughts.

Speaker 1 And there was a large dump in the toilet because I I don't know who the previous special inmate was, but they certainly were very comfortable dumping in a glass box because it smelled like absolute crop.

Speaker 1 The sandwich gets tossed into me. I'm obviously not hungry.
What is this? Supposed to be bologna. Supposed to be a fake meat.
What does that even mean?

Speaker 1 What do you mean it's supposed to be a fake meat? All right, I'll tried it. Wasn't bad.
A little cracker they gave it, not terrible. That was a nice little distraction for like three to four minutes.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden I'm back to, I have no job. I have no degree.
I just embarrassed my family, embarrassed my whole team. It's all over.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there is a lot of those fears anymore from anybody. You know, like I feel like there isn't a lot of fear.
I talked to,

Speaker 1 I had a chance to talk to Paul Heyman, who I'm incredibly lucky to get a chance to chat with, and I'm a massive fan of.

Speaker 1 He's been in wrestling business, I think, 30-some years, since he's like a teenager, actually.

Speaker 1 And I asked, literally, yeah, he's been around it forever. He's one of the pioneers of professional wrestling.
Without him, I have no idea where wrestling would be.

Speaker 1 Obviously, it would not be where it is right now. But I talked to him, I said, like, man, I'm very worried that I'm going to get exhausted.
Like, I am not.

Speaker 1 I'm tired maybe some days because I haven't slept enough, but every day I wake up, like, I'm enjoying what the hell I'm doing.

Speaker 1 Like, I am very happy to wake up every single morning and do what we do for a living, you know, because we're in the middle of a lot, right?

Speaker 1 Like, I have, I've made cross-country flights a lot over the last 10 days, and I'm worried that I'm going to get exhausted because I've seen a lot of other people kind of go through it, especially in the wrestling business that happens because of how much to travel or whatever.

Speaker 1 So I asked Paul, I was like, Paul, I'm worried that in the future I'm going to get exhausted and it's going to, you know, become a thing for me. I was like, how have you ever combated that?

Speaker 1 Or whatever. He gave me this speech about every day I'm auditioning, hoping that they'll invite me back the next day.
So there's no chance to be exhausted.

Speaker 1 There's just a chance that you get your ass fired every single day. So I try to bring it every single moment I have an opportunity.
It isn't like there is, oh, I'm going to get tired.

Speaker 1 And what if there is? You have no idea. I'm just hoping to get invited back, he said.
And I'm like, Holy fuck, I needed to hear that. I need to be reminded that everything can disappear tomorrow.

Speaker 1 And And it's like Adam Vinatari had that feeling. Adam Vinatari thought he was going to get fired every single day if he missed a kick or didn't show up.

Speaker 1 It's like that fear of being replaced, that fear of losing your thing. I don't think there's a lot of that anymore because these dudes are getting money whenever they're like 17 years old.

Speaker 1 So there hasn't been like the moment of like chaos, oh shit. And I think we're creating a little bit of a different lifestyle for people.
How do we kind of ride the wave of what we're going through?

Speaker 1 We'll inevitably determine which teams are going to be great and which teams are not, though, AJ. AJ.

Speaker 10 Well, I mean, it all comes down to like when you talk to any guy evaluating people in the combat, like they want to know if you love football.

Speaker 10 Like that's, that is gigantic for them because like even if things don't turn out like whatever, like they know they can still trust you and you can be a good teammate.

Speaker 10 You're going to be accountable and you'll fight through injuries and all and things like that. But like I don't know how it works with if people like you need team guys.

Speaker 10 You need guys that are worried. Hey, I want to be accountable to these 10 other dudes.
I don't want to leave my corner out to drive. I'm supposed to buzz the curl flat.

Speaker 10 And I told them, hey, I'm going to be under that 10 yard out. I'm going to be there.
I'm not going to hang my corner out to drive.

Speaker 10 Like, you just always have to have that paranoia that, okay, I'm going to ruin it for these guys. And I think that's, I don't know.

Speaker 10 I think a lot of guys do have it, but unfortunately, when you have a couple guys that don't, it can ruin a whole team.

Speaker 1 Hey, that can infiltrate, too. Yeah.
Crop can infiltrate. Quick.

Speaker 3 Create the little different silos within the locker room where you start to get it.

Speaker 10 Then guys start fighting you. Then you start fighting each other.
I go, I want you to do your job. Okay, here we go.
And you don't figure that out. It just lingers.

Speaker 1 Which goes to the importance of having like glue guys in a locker room. It's so hard to build a locker room.
You need vets that have good leadership, that have good leadership, good work ethic.

Speaker 1 You need people in a locker room that are glue.

Speaker 3 They're still productive, too. They still, you know, it's still business.
You got to do it.

Speaker 10 Not just the wise old man that's giving you advice. You got to make plays.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because nobody's listening to shit if you're not making any plays.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you can't just be the rah-rah guy. Let's, you know, cameras are here.
Let's give a good victory speech. Let's get a game ball for getting two tackles.

Speaker 3 Like, no, you got to be busting your ass throughout the week, being productive. Obviously, taking care of your body, you know, because you talked about it.
It's not like college or hot.

Speaker 3 Like, these are grown-ass men with families. And like, even with the coaches, like, these are your coaches, yeah.

Speaker 3 But these are like your coworkers and the good coaches that say, like, hey, if you guys, and as a pro, you shouldn't be just be showing up to the meeting, like, trying to get through.

Speaker 3 Like, you should probably have some input. Like, if you're out there playing, you're out there playing this role.
Hey, I've been seeing this on Finn. What do you think about this coach?

Speaker 3 I think those are the best teams, especially when we get to this point in the year. And you talked about that, all that, that whole list you got to do year in and year out.

Speaker 3 That's much easier to do when you come back to the tip. Because we know every year, it's a new group, regardless of how many changes.

Speaker 3 You know, you change 40 different guys or four different guys, it's a different group.

Speaker 3 But the more of those things you can come back to the plate in April and you have kind of set, like the standard, the foundation, now you can build on top of that.

Speaker 3 And that's how you can compete year in and year out.

Speaker 1 Congrats to

Speaker 1 the Rams. You know, just fresh off of last night.
Everything we've talked about, everything we're talking about right now,

Speaker 1 they've had to go through it and they've come out the other side with their culture set with a young group that's ready to carry it.

Speaker 1 How long can Stafford play for?

Speaker 10 He's awesome, man. He's so good.
He's so fun to watch.

Speaker 1 So many classic vintage Stafford, like

Speaker 1 loose elbow, yeah, great teeth, great beard. Got a little.

Speaker 10 Come on, you knew right here to get Puka involved right away. I was like, oh, this might be tough.

Speaker 1 He's 36 years old. He was drafted in the same class as I was, 221 picks earlier.

Speaker 1 Dart. I think he only got like 40 million or something like like that.
That was also in the first drive.

Speaker 1 Connor said that whenever they showed him pregame walking in, I did not see the clip, but it appeared as if he was, he was,

Speaker 1 staff was ready. It felt like staff was locked in, is how Conman described it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Laser did, and he was, you know, flanked by his offensive line.

Speaker 2 And something that we haven't really talked about with the Rams so far is there's been a lot of, you know, running back chatter, especially with these playoff teams. Kyron Williams is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 He is so good in the passing game and in the running game.

Speaker 2 And, you know, when it came to the Rams in particular i think it was last year where their o-line just stunk and then they went out they got a couple free agents i believe one of the guys actually from the lions jonah jackson is there now too but they they really did like replace the most key positions in free agency and then drafted so perfectly like they put together that whole list that you said in within those months of you know march when free agency starts till the season.

Speaker 2 Like it was perfect what they did. I think probably teams are looking at this.
I know the New England Patriots are probably one of them like, hey, how do we just replicate exactly what the Rams did?

Speaker 2 Because it was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 They've had to do both now. Les Need has had to showcase both styles of winning in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Spending and giving up all your picks to go in right now. And then on the other side of that, having to deal with it, cap restrictions, pick restrictions.

Speaker 1 Are you able to build a team now, even with a big quarterback contract?

Speaker 1 Even with most people on that other side have had to do it with a rookie quarterback so they can build up around it.

Speaker 1 Instead, this is 36-year-old Matthew Stafford still getting paid and building up around it. Bravo to the ROMs.
Bravo to the Rams. Jerry Jones is going to be looking for his next Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 Troy Aikman did a little punditry last night. Did you hear that?

Speaker 10 I did hear that. This was very interesting from Troy.

Speaker 1 It certainly was. Troy Aikman was asked a question by Scott Van Pelt about the coaching vacancy there in Dallas.

Speaker 1 And Troy took it as a time to kind of say his entire thoughts on the entire situation in Dallas. And we'd like to tell that Hall of Famer Troy, we appreciate the hell out of you, Bo.

Speaker 6 Well, I thought Mike McCarthy would be the head coach, so this is a bit of a surprise for me today that he's not going to be.

Speaker 6 And what went into those conversations that Schefter talked about, I'm not exactly sure, but

Speaker 6 it suggests that there's not a real plan.

Speaker 6 I mean, in the fact that they haven't had the opportunity to maybe interview a Ben Johnson and some of these others, Aaron Glenn, I think that what Schefter said as far as Kellen Moore being a candidate,

Speaker 6 that seems logical to me, a guy who has familiarity with the building. He's worked obviously with the Cowboys and with Jerry Jones, and they know each other very well.

Speaker 6 In fact, when Mike McCarthy got the job,

Speaker 6 it was told to Mike that Kellen Moore would be the offensive coordinator. So that's how much the Jones family thinks of him.

Speaker 6 Beyond that, it's hard to imagine. As far as a coveted job,

Speaker 6 I don't know that that's accurate.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 6 I do think the Cowboys are obviously a high-profile team.

Speaker 6 Whoever is head coach of that team is certainly going to draw a lot of attention. But I think most football people that take over as a head coach, they want to do it on their terms.

Speaker 6 That's hard to do.

Speaker 6 If you take a Dan Campbell, for instance, is Dan Campbell Dan Campbell if he's with the Dallas Cowboys? It's hard to imagine that he is. It's hard to imagine that a lot of these coaches might be.

Speaker 6 I love the Dallas Cowboys. I played there for 12 years.
I wish them well. But to say that it's a coveted job, I'm not sure I would necessarily agree with that.

Speaker 1 Troy, I assume a lot of Cowboys fans are going to be heartbroken to Troy Aikman saying that because it's probably too damn true in their ears and their eyes from what they've seen.

Speaker 1 D-Bucks, your first takeaway from Troy Aikman?

Speaker 3 First takeaway, I love how just open and honest he came off. You know, very, very transparent.

Speaker 3 Obviously, he's a cowboy, great, you know, Hall of Famer, you know, played a lot of downs there, won a ton of Super Bowls there. Once again, he knows what it's like at the height.

Speaker 3 And he was a player that, you know, we've known from all the things we've seen from NFL films, he he didn't keep his mouth shut he always spoke his mind whether it was talking about the coaches or teammates um and so what he said about the coach coming in wanting to do it their own way that's i think would be the biggest thing you spoke about jimmy johnson earlier in his exit from dallas and that was probably the last time that they were great so it'd be interesting who jerry actually brings in there and then how jerry continues to go about his business aj how about him saying that kellen more was kind of thrust upon big mike mccarthy so the family obviously loves kellen kellen's having success right now with Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 What is your takeaway from Troy Aikman's diatribe there about the state of the Dallas Cowboys?

Speaker 10 Well, when Troy said

Speaker 10 he's not so sure it's a coveted job, like that's

Speaker 10 a bit of a jarring statement because it's Dallas Cowboys. We understand the brand that Jerry has built over the years, but it's true.
Like what was the term we tried to remember the other day?

Speaker 10 Organizational alignment. You have to have that with Jerry if you want to be in Dallas and Jerry and the rest of his family.

Speaker 10 And actually, we saw Stephen, we were walking to the stadium, Pat, you were doing game day. We saw Stephen on a golf cart and Jerry coming in a car right behind him.

Speaker 10 Not national championship, but down at the Cotton Ball.

Speaker 1 Ohio State game. Yeah, the Cotton Balls.
Ohio State game that they end up winning. They showed Jerry on the jumbo trunt at one point.
I did not see it. Foxy did.

Speaker 1 It was some of the loudest booze I've heard in quite some time. And every single other celebrity that they showed in stadium, all claps, all cheers.
Jerry Jones, instant booze.

Speaker 1 That's probably Ohio State fans,

Speaker 1 right? That's probably the Ohio State fans. I doubt it.

Speaker 1 Half that stadium was Texas fans, which you would think would potentially be loving them Cowboys.

Speaker 1 It wasn't the Texas fans that are a boon, Jerry. I'm pretty sure it was all the Texas fans.
Whoa!

Speaker 1 They're about done with it. They said, hey, listen, Bub, we saw you in Landman.
Go ahead and take your old ass over to the acting world. They need you in Hollywood, and you would do great over there.

Speaker 1 You've been a billionaire in multiple things that you've tried. Oil and gas.

Speaker 1 Obviously, one all in there. Fucking hit.

Speaker 1 Dallas Cowboys, one all in there, fucking hit.

Speaker 1 Dallas Cowboys fans are, why don't you go all into

Speaker 1 being an actor? Sure. Become a billionaire over there.
You and the rock making movies.

Speaker 1 Red too. He was phenomenal in Landman.
He was if he was reading a script, okay, which you guys are saying he was.

Speaker 4 He absolutely was.

Speaker 3 Ad-lib, I think.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He was all.

Speaker 1 He remembered it all. I think that's 95% ad-lib.
If that is not ad-lib.

Speaker 10 He was crying almost. What do you guys think? This guy's Daniel Day-Lewis?

Speaker 1 No, you're saying he is. If he's reading the script and he's crying,

Speaker 1 somebody else's words, he's crying. I don't think so.

Speaker 10 Is Jerry doing

Speaker 10 like a five-minute improv monologue?

Speaker 1 That's what I think.

Speaker 1 It was too good.

Speaker 1 It was too good.

Speaker 1 They said, Jerry, you go in there and you talk like you talk to one of your friends. I've given this speech many times.
And that's what I think has happened. He goes, why don't I take care of this?

Speaker 1 They handed him a script and he said, come on.

Speaker 10 Want me to cry?

Speaker 1 Okay, I'll cry. You guys don't even have any tears in here.

Speaker 4 And they recorded that part, and then Taylor Sheridan, the creator, said, all right, now read my fucking words. We're not doing that again.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 3 You know, that was the first date.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Only

Speaker 1 done. First and only.
Send it.

Speaker 1 No flugs. Send it.

Speaker 2 If he was reading that, it is way more impressive.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's what I'm saying. If he got a script and memorized it and then call John Hammond

Speaker 1 or Billy Bob asked him, he might be the greatest actor in history. That's his first scene.
He's crying. He's telling the stories.
Big pop on the way out of there. Natural.
Natural.

Speaker 1 That felt like, to me, they told him, hey, go do a little Jerry Jones in there. Explore the space.

Speaker 1 The jazz pad thing? Come on. You don't think that was it? I am certain.
Because if he read a script and did that, holy shit. I think that is.

Speaker 1 It was his life.

Speaker 3 Now, if he was, that was him, you know, being a basketball coach.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 Taylor Sheridan.

Speaker 10 That's why it was so easy for him to remember, D-Butt. That's why he could remember itself.

Speaker 1 Remember? He wasn't. He's 90.

Speaker 3 He remembered the last 90 years.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 you guys did say that his last media scrum, he did not.

Speaker 4 We watched it literally four minutes before we watched that clip, and he was just

Speaker 1 babbling.

Speaker 4 Didn't say anything in five minutes.

Speaker 1 The part that Ced written was when he said, sit here, lay here. Like,

Speaker 1 whenever he was talking about

Speaker 1 regret, whenever you're going to be on Mixture.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying he didn't draw from his own personal experiences. You know, I say that a lot.
That's probably how he got to cry. He started thinking of Steven and his other kids.
But

Speaker 4 were probably holding cue cards with size 500 font right in front of him.

Speaker 1 Read it. Read it.
Taylor Sheridan is also a family friend of the Jones family for about 20 years.

Speaker 1 Oh, so that's definitely Jerry's line.

Speaker 10 Yeah, in that part of the script, though, everybody else has lines. Billy Bob Thornton, John Hamm, they all have lines.
But then it just says Jerry. And then it just says

Speaker 1 free ball. Free balls.

Speaker 1 Jerry, dude, Jerry. That's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 And then they told Billy Bob and the Hamaconda, get in where you finish.

Speaker 1 Boys, remember, you're on the deathbed. You're close.
Let Jerry do Jerry. Now, that's what everybody's saying.
Jerry, go act. Go explore the space.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Maybe the Cowboys will have a winning opportunity. We will continue on TikTok, YouTube, ESPN Plus, and Disney Plus.
Maybe your friend tells me something nice. It might change their life.

Speaker 1 See you tomorrow. Goodbye.
I think we got it in. I think we got it in.

Speaker 10 Hey, we're going to get answers from somebody.

Speaker 1 I mean, come on. We got him.

Speaker 1 This is from a website that...

Speaker 1 What is this website? We don't know what this website is. Wallace confirms the scene was unscripted and happened because of Sheridan's long-standing friendship with Jones.

Speaker 1 Taylor just kind of said, we're going to let Jerry Jones do his thing and tell this incredible story from his own life, Wallace says.

Speaker 1 And I think everyone on set that day was floored by how genuine and vulnerable he was when he delivered it. Wow.
It was a pretty powerful moment. Thornton had a front row seat to Jones.
One and done.

Speaker 1 Just like we fucking said.

Speaker 1 That's what I thought. Color me shocked.

Speaker 1 What is this? Variety.

Speaker 1 Variety's alive. Oh, God.

Speaker 4 Color me shocked. But that also goes to show there is no reason he should sound the way he does in those media scrums.
If he's doing that on one take, he should be delivering fucking just bullets.

Speaker 1 They shove that COVID in his mouth.

Speaker 1 They get all those microphones and phones. He doesn't have any answers yet.
The guy just got done taking a piss. He's 90 years old.
They just lost. Let him go up to his seat.

Speaker 1 Instead, he walks outside and they got ping, bong, guy, wrap around here.

Speaker 9 He's clearly with it.

Speaker 1 He gets a little

Speaker 1 discombobulated.

Speaker 2 That goes to what Troy is saying. Like, this guy's got no fucking plan.
This guy's got no idea what he's doing anymore.

Speaker 2 Like, if those are his media scrums and then the whole McCarthy, hey, you can't interview with the Bears, but we're still going to fire you in a couple of days.

Speaker 1 Like, he's got no fucking plan. He has no idea what he's doing anymore.
Hey, just like Taylor said. We're going to let Jerry did, Jerry.

Speaker 10 That's wild. That is wild.

Speaker 4 If that's the case, he honestly might be thinking, like, all he's thinking about is the golden gloves.

Speaker 1 That's all he's thinking about. And that's what we're saying.
Jare, they made an old hot in a lot of movies. And they can draw from you so you can draw from your own life experiences.

Speaker 1 Go all in over there, Jerry. You're a movie star.
This guy's a movie star. Wow.
That's what, hey, we had faith. I mean, not the record state.
Never a doubt. Jare, we knew that was all, Jare.

Speaker 1 Because if it wasn't,

Speaker 1 like, you want to talk about like acting and talent. Incredible.
If that was somebody else's words, and they're like, hey,

Speaker 1 need you to cry at this exact point.

Speaker 1 You're giving him a lot of credit.

Speaker 1 I think you're giving him a lot of credit. So him telling his own story.
Now, I love the success we've had with oil and gas. One and done.

Speaker 9 Send it.

Speaker 1 No flubs. You got enough cameras on this fucking thing? Yeah, we even got shot over the shoulder whenever you're talking to Billy Blob.
Sweet. And then he walks off with a punchline.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 People say, Derry, don't have fastball anymore. You're fucking out of your mind.
Wow. That guy's throwing.

Speaker 9 In acting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when it comes to acting, he's throwing 100 on the black. He just needs to act like an NFL owner.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Reframe it.

Speaker 1 Let's bring it to a break. Reframe it.
Yeah, tell him, hey, your next role is an NFL owner. You own the Cowboys.
Yeah, you want to win a Super Bowl. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 All right, first things first, we need to

Speaker 1 fire Mike McCarney.

Speaker 3 Coach Prime. I mean, that's what would happen in the movie.

Speaker 1 That is what would happen in the movie. 1,000%.
Or Witten.

Speaker 4 That'd be a zany

Speaker 1 off the wall higher. It can't be.
Do you think Jerry Jones is doing Zaney movies? I don't think so. Maybe.
Maybe.

Speaker 9 That'd be a good twist.

Speaker 1 Jason Witten is not getting the respect that he has earned on the football field, on the gridiron. One of the greatest tight ends of all time.
Yeah. Yeah.
Whoa. Of course.

Speaker 10 Why? You're saying he can't be the next Dallas Cowboys coach?

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that. Toxic Tangles certainly.

Speaker 2 No fucking chance. No chance.

Speaker 1 I mean, he just said woe to one of the greatest tight ends of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, how many greatest tight ends of all time are there?

Speaker 1 Well, it depends on what's your number. Five?

Speaker 2 Yeah. No way.

Speaker 3 Handful? I wouldn't put it.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't put it in top five. But he's in the pantheon.
Dallas.

Speaker 3 Greatest Dallas tight end. For sure.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
He's in the pantheon of greatest tight ends of all time.

Speaker 3 Better than Mike Ditka.

Speaker 1 I mean, I can play. He had a long run, man.
He had a long run. Jason Witten was so good at football.
He was so good. He played forever.
People forget how good he was at football. Play for the Raiders.

Speaker 1 People forget how good a football player he was strictly because.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, he actually had to come back and play for the Raiders because he was so bad in the booth, which wasn't fair.

Speaker 1 We didn't think it was fair to anybody. Well, then went and said, I'm not doing TV anymore.
I'm doing football. Played football, did good.
Then goes down to a high school in Texas, state champ.

Speaker 3 It's not easy to do.

Speaker 1 Not Texas? Maybe Teddy Bridgewater gets an opportunity to run the Dallas Cowboys, too. He won in Florida.
Yeah. We got Texas high school state champs.
Florida state champs.

Speaker 3 Time in Miami. Teddy.

Speaker 1 You can't reach Crystal Ball. He speaks Spanish.
No. Miami Dolphins.
Oh, you're saying the Miami Dolphins? Dolphins?

Speaker 1 Bring them home.

Speaker 12 John Gruden's on the radar in Miami.

Speaker 1 Gumpy's been pushing this. Dallas.

Speaker 10 Have Jerry really flip the script. Hey, John Gruden, gig bag.
John, you got it. You bring in your people.
You do your thing. I'm going to step away.

Speaker 1 I will be bummed out if we don't get John Gruden on the internet every single weekend, though. I would like to let the world know that.
Cool. That has been a great addition.
Great. Tell you what.

Speaker 1 Tell you what he is.

Speaker 1 If he's coaching the Cowboys,

Speaker 1 he will be on the internet every weekend. Yep.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 Be on national TV, which would be good.

Speaker 10 He loves ball. John Gruden loves ball.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you, man, he is.

Speaker 1 Every thought is football. Yeah.
Legit. I didn't even know.
You know, he was in Bloomington the same time we were. We weren't able to link up.

Speaker 1 He went by Kilroys, I think, to buy shots for all the students. I believe that's how it was described.
Try to catch us.

Speaker 1 That was the only time we were going to be able to kind of cross paths with the way the weekend was. And I decided not, I can't go in there.
That is game day. Who knows? With Gruden, who knows?

Speaker 1 You know, what what that whole thing goes. So I missed him in Bloomington, but that was a reunion, you know, for that holiday bowl.
Gruden's dad coached for Lee Corso back in Indiana.

Speaker 1 So he like grew up kind of in Bloomington, Indiana. But that, like,

Speaker 1 I guess I didn't know. Of course, Gruden's been around ball his whole

Speaker 1 that's literally his entire being pretty much is football. That's why he started the fired football coaches of America because even when he wasn't in football, he's like, I need

Speaker 1 football. And that's a guy you, if you're looking to turn a culture, you assume like, how do we do it? Let's get a guy who is obsessed with ball and has had a track record of winning.

Speaker 1 Now, granted, got to keep him away from the emails. Sure.

Speaker 1 And speaking of him, you know, you know, whose coaching tree

Speaker 1 last night's two head coaches came from? Whose? Jay Groon, but broadcast didn't mention it. What?

Speaker 1 Over there at the. Bullshit.
Over there at the

Speaker 4 artist formerly known as the Washington Redskins.

Speaker 1 where he was sitting on the sidewalk smoking cigarettes Native American style living I remember that was he shoeless too that was awesome

Speaker 1 Anytime you end up shoeless out there, you know, it's a thing so Sean McVay versus Kevin O'Connell tonight, huh? I hired them both, but I don't get mentioned once

Speaker 1 and you didn't Jay and you didn't from my from my understanding. I was fast forward.

Speaker 1 I was fast forwarding. I did not hear it.

Speaker 3 That's who these teams need to call.

Speaker 3 Yeah, hey, Jay, who the fuck should we hire to be our next head coach, our next OC?

Speaker 1 It should be Jay.

Speaker 3 She might have put their greatest staff of all time

Speaker 3 when it's all said and done.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll wrap up all the storylines happening around sports.
There's some big ones. Hey, there's some big ones.
Huge. Huge.

Speaker 1 Sports are happening right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hockey, have you guys seen?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Have you guys seen?

Speaker 2 Connor Badar just scored his 100th point.

Speaker 1 Already? Dangling, dog. 19 years old.
Basketball, have you seen? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Zion, they're saying. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 10 I haven't seen any basketball come across my feet. Yeah, me.

Speaker 1 Are they still playing? Yeah, they're fine.

Speaker 12 Pacers plus seven and a half tonight at home against the Cavs. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Tyrese Hala back.

Speaker 12 The Miz was talking shit about the Cavs yesterday.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, there's a little bit of a bicker.

Speaker 2 Pacers just beat the Cavs, too.

Speaker 1 My point, exactly. He had a Cavaliers thing on.
I go, hey, how are the Cavs? Is she really good? He goes, best in the league. Dot, da, da, does this whole Miz thing.
I go, Pacers beat them last night.

Speaker 1 So? That doesn't mean anything. They have six losses on the whole season.
What was one of them? Was it last night? Yeah, so. Such a yes, so guy.

Speaker 1 I walked away from the Miz three different times. We were having conversations last night.
It just happened. Like, there was just things happening.
The Miz, first time seeing him in a long time.

Speaker 1 He gets off the Miz Express. He goes inside.
You know, his bus has Miz Express on the side of it. His face, it's awesome.
Goes inside. I see him, but I'm heading to somewhere.

Speaker 1 You know, you got to do something. So it's quick interaction, Cleveland Cavaliers thing.
And then I'm like, yeah, I got to go. You know, so I just walk away.
He goes, You just walk away from me.

Speaker 1 You just walked away from me. And then he walks away.
And I'm like, hey, somewhere. Next time, I'm literally on my way out of building.
Mid stops, though, has a sweet tux on. Always.

Speaker 1 I'm like, God, you look good, brother. What do you got tonight? He starts telling me, you know, I'm like, all right, good luck.
He goes, you walk away from me again.

Speaker 1 You walk away from me. I'm starting to fucking think you don't like talking to me.
I'm like, I just got somewhere to go. Oh, I'm so busy.

Speaker 1 The whole thing. He's electrified.
Everything about interacting with me is awesome. Always.
Every single part of the interaction. The information that's coming out.
The greeting.

Speaker 1 The greeting that is coming out of his mouth is awesome. The contents of the conversation, always awesome.
And then however the fuck it's going to end is going to be entertaining. Every time.

Speaker 1 Every single time. Even in a bus.

Speaker 10 He'll be like, this is someone. What?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There was no way around him. He was holding court on this bus with 10 people.
Nobody's a lot. Now you can't leave.

Speaker 1 And we were in a mis experience.

Speaker 2 He got robbed by Sami Zaney last night.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sammy what? I don't think that's his name.

Speaker 2 Sami Zaney.

Speaker 1 Sami Zane is,

Speaker 1 I guess you can say he's kind of zany.

Speaker 9 Pretty Zany, pretty wacky.

Speaker 1 He is kind of zany, isn't he? He had a hell of a kick. Call it the Haluva kick, which I love.
And one on the blue thunder bomb, which I could knock it out. Kept calling it the Thunder Dome.

Speaker 1 That's tough. This is the Thunderdome, of course.

Speaker 12 He's no penta, I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1 He is no penta. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I was told not allowed to say anything about that, but it was the whole match. What do you do? He's a fucking weapon.

Speaker 1 Dude, how about him coming out the way he walked?

Speaker 1 I fucking, that was my first time experiencing the penta in the arena. It was electrifying.
Got a promo afterwards, half in Spanish. Still no idea what he said.
Loved it.

Speaker 1 Big pop from the Spanish-speaking crowd in the audience, though. Wish I could have enjoyed the inside joke, okay?

Speaker 1 Actually picked up Rosetta Stone just so I can maybe catch the next round of penta talking. Smart.
It was, it was, it was a moment when this dude came in the whole time.

Speaker 1 Second greatest Luchador of all time, they say. Rey Mysterio, number one.
Ray, Ray told me, hey, wait DC Penta. He gave me a full one.

Speaker 1 Ray knows. But there's a lot of conversation about what I'm allowed and what I'm surf walking.
Love that. Love the vibes.
Oh, yeah. Sweet fit.
Great Ohio State guy.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's for Ohio State there on the back. I think that's a little bit different operation.
But OH, I'm sure. It might be.
Thank you, AJ. I'd love to have the shin guards.

Speaker 10 I like the shin guards.

Speaker 1 Well, those are pads, obviously, for whenever somebody tries to kick him in the shin. He's not going to be able to do that.
Utilizes the entire ring as a weapon.

Speaker 1 Used the bottom rope as a slingshot last night for a leg drop. Sick.
That was sick. Hit the Mexican destroyer.
Obviously, the Canadian. So as soon as he walks in, he does it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right away. Let him know.
Yeah, he's a couple of times. It's kind of his thing.
Yeah, we're just going to stay away from it. All right.
Okay, I bet we are. He was electrifying.

Speaker 1 And then Chad Gable, that scumbag, what a perfect guy. I know.
To let Peggy. He's great.
He's great. He is great.
He's an Olympian. Have a little respect, please.
Star, a little respect. He's jocked.

Speaker 1 Absolutely jocked. Perfect matchup.

Speaker 1 Perfect matchup for Penta to get a big-time win. The

Speaker 1 I'm getting a call from Dallas Clark right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 He's on the list above Witten.

Speaker 1 Can we mute this, please? Can we mute this, please?

Speaker 1 Hey, I'm currently

Speaker 10 sure it's going well. You guys are all muted, right?

Speaker 1 Come on, Steve.

Speaker 10 What are you doing over there, Debo?

Speaker 1 What are you doing over there, Hawker?

Speaker 10 Debo, what's happening? Sign language, what's happening?

Speaker 10 Diggs,

Speaker 10 who are you rooting for in the national championship? I see your sweatshirt.

Speaker 10 Well, because your wife's family is from there, I believe.

Speaker 12 Don't let them get away with that hawker.

Speaker 10 I get it. It's all right.
Plenty of Notre Dame fans. I love Marcus.

Speaker 13 Not this, not this week.

Speaker 10 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Family.

Speaker 1 Family.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Shout out to your old coach, Notre Dame.

Speaker 10 Brian Kelly.

Speaker 10 See saying Dallas is rambling?

Speaker 9 Yes, yes, he is.

Speaker 12 He's probably got a plan to fix the Colts.

Speaker 10 Oh, hire him as the head coach. Tell him he's, yeah, Dallas is awesome.

Speaker 1 You see, what happened was

Speaker 1 I told him we were alive, but I didn't tell him it was muted. So he gave a showing, like a full, well-thought-out answer.

Speaker 1 But by the time I realized he was in the middle of a very well-thought-out answer, it was too late to unmute it because now you're missing the context of the entire setup. So that's 100% on me.

Speaker 1 That's user error. But what Dallas said is, I give leniency on the booth thing.
I would never hold that against anybody because he said he tried it one time and he was terrible. He said it is hard.

Speaker 1 It's easy stuff. It's not an easy thing at all.
He said he loves Witten. Love that dude.
Love how much he loves football. All that stuff.

Speaker 1 And then at the end, there, he said, I still think Prime's probably going to end up in Dallas. I think it has to be somebody who knows the building, is what Dallas Corp said.

Speaker 1 You know, that's one of those jobs where you have to know the building. I think he's probably painting the same picture as the rest of us.
Excited to see what Jerry does down there.

Speaker 1 He needs to act like an owner, just like he acted like Jerry Jones in Landman. Touche.
I agree.

Speaker 4 Act like an owner. That's your next project.

Speaker 1 Do it. Have fun.

Speaker 12 Did Dallas have any thoughts on Penta?

Speaker 1 I didn't ask. Fuck.
I don't know if he saw Penta. I'm going to send him a couple of the highlights.
He was all over the place, man. He did an inverted Hurricane Rana from his side.
That was sweet.

Speaker 1 It was. Wow, Gable was on his way.

Speaker 1 And then, how about

Speaker 4 his Penta driver? He's a dog.

Speaker 1 He is a dog. And they all, obviously.

Speaker 1 So a lot of people, I think, that are like kind of,

Speaker 1 you know like WWE fans, but don't follow along with everything else. Like Penta has been dominant, you know, AAA, I believe, down in Mexico.

Speaker 1 And then there's Lucha Underground that was happening there for basically every AEW he was on there for a bit, obviously.

Speaker 1 Like every wrestling promotion other than WWE, he's been on, and he's been very successful and very beloved.

Speaker 1 So that's why whenever he signed with the WWE, it was an impossible thing to keep like a secret because everybody was like, it's happening, it's happening, it's happening.

Speaker 1 And last night night, he even acknowledged like how much of a dream. This is called the sacrifice, where he just breaks a guy's arm.
Boom!

Speaker 1 Oh, shit! Yes! Stop that. I don't know if you saw it right before.

Speaker 1 Don't show that.

Speaker 1 That was the whole. I didn't know that's where Kittle does that for his first down thing.
I didn't know where that's now. I know.
Now all the dots are coming. Oh, goodness.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the driver right there. He was, it was a hell of a show.
It was a hell of an experience in there last night. San Jose's crowd was awesome, too.

Speaker 3 It's the right crowd for him to make his debut.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. 22 times

Speaker 1 WWE had been in that building. You know, there's some like wrestling cities that are like massive.
Pittsburgh's considered one of them. Indianapolis, WWE always comes through.

Speaker 1 There's cities like throughout the country that they always hit because they're big wrestling and they always have been always back all the way back to like the territory days.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, this place loves wrestling. It's generational and everything like that.
San Jose's fan base is, I think, a very, very loyal wrestling fan base. So I think it was good.
Great time.

Speaker 1 Lucky to be there. Michael Cole doing his thing all night.
Didn't get up on the table and eat. No, he didn't.
Yeah, I figured too old to be doing it every week getting on the table.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember his phone gave a life alert. Yeah.
Exactly. You've taken a very hard fall.
Are you okay? Seems like your heart's beating a little bit. Are you okay? And he said, I'm eating.

Speaker 1 And his phone's like, don't be doing that. It's too much.
Keep your ass in your seat. Let's get to a break.
Dallas Clark was on the show. Great to see him.
Couldn't hear him, but you did see him.

Speaker 1 He was talking. Legend.

Speaker 1 He was giving a full fucking answer. It was a great answer, too.

Speaker 1 Great analogy.

Speaker 10 Would Dallas coach?

Speaker 1 Seems like he should. With what I just heard, with what you need, I don't know.
I think he's farming right now. I think he's actually farming right now.

Speaker 1 It's cold. Of course he is.
Of course, Dallas Glark's farmer. Without a doubt? Workhorse.

Speaker 4 Dog. You might be a head coach in waiting in Iowa.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Football! It's wonderful. That's AJ Hawk.
The talks at tables here at Boston Connor and at Ty Schmidt. Great hat, Con man.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 Yep, Team Moss, Moss Cancer, baby.

Speaker 1 Hey, Randy, let's go. Let's keep kicking ass.
What happened? The hammer, Dodd. Cowboys A.P.
Tone is here. Play like a champion today.
A little bit of bias maybe there from Tone Day.

Speaker 1 No, it was a gift given to me this holiday season by my family. Well, my wife's family is my in-laws who live up in South Bend.
So, you know, it felt like a right time to wear it.

Speaker 1 You were the mayor there of South Bend for a while, you remember? Him and Pete Buck, yeah. Hell yeah, I forgot about Buddha Jedge up there doing the transportation in South Bend.

Speaker 1 And then you were heading up there every weekend. One tone heading up there every single weekend.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, going to talk to people. Love the South Bend area.
Yeah, it's a great area. You know, I want to support my friend Marcus Freeman.
Didn't matter where he go to college.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to support him where he is now because he's my friend. That doesn't sound like that's a true statement, what you just said.

Speaker 1 And we would like to view Marcus Freeman as a friend of the program, although I'm not 100% sure because I've picked against the Irish every single time I've gotten an opportunity.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 every single time I've gotten the opportunity I've picked against them. And they have won.
This is just like what happened with Michigan last year.

Speaker 1 It feels like the sentiment is very real from the Notre Dame fans. Don't you even fucking

Speaker 1 got some good news for you.

Speaker 1 I got some good news for you, but I do love what the team has done. That particular hoodie right there, March 17th, you cut the sleeves off of that thing.
Perfect. That is a St.

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But you got a stank

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Yeah. Well, I don't want to put my armpit.

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Speaker 10 I got I got a little bit coming through here you smell that

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Obviously, that's a big deal. Yeah, a big deal.
Everybody's talking about it. The aluminium is not good.
Huge.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't like that. That's how the Brits say it.
Bingo. One, two, three times.
I heard that, and I said, wow, that's how the Brits say something. And I say it a little bit differently.

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That's good for your skin. Cedar? Yeah, there's a little bit of cedar there and

Speaker 1 whole body odor. And it targets the source of body odor all day.
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That's the goat.

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Yeah, one of you.

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What was it here?

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Weeks. Probably a whole week it was.

Speaker 1 Just a whole rash because of spray tan. Look good, though.
Spray tan was pretty good on my face, but everywhere else is just a rash.

Speaker 1 Shit.

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Speaker 1 The oatmeal bath thing. Yep.
That's not what this is doing.

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Exactly. Vitamin E in here.
Vitamin E, you know what that does, age? You want all the vitamin E you can get because vitamin E

Speaker 10 does everything that you need for your bod. Shea butter is legit too.

Speaker 4 And cedar?

Speaker 1 Cedar, yeah, I thought I maybe caught a little sandalwood, so it makes sense. I'm bodywood.

Speaker 10 I got sandalwood things that keep the mosquitoes away. Sandalwood.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Sandalwood? Sandalwood.

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Smells like Arizona night. Yeah, nighttime.
Got it. I thought you were saying sandalwood.

Speaker 1 Sandal. That's kind of a good little phrase as well.
That's what you guys were saying. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Fight Bio

Speaker 1 with Dio.

Speaker 1 No matter

Speaker 1 where you stank

Speaker 1 from.

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Can't wait for their ad agency to watch that one.

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It's making the world better. Boys are already using it.
Thought it was going to be soap. Yeah.
Okay, so we will have to buy.

Speaker 1 We will have to buy the soap for the Thunderdub. Thought we were getting that.
We were.

Speaker 1 And once again, that's without conversation. I had no idea that this, I had no idea this was a thing.

Speaker 1 I was just pumped to get into, you know, a partnership with Dove because their soap does make you feel like Dove. Like, it's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 Their spray is. I got one in my backpack.

Speaker 2 That looks like the newer one.

Speaker 1 It's the one that I've had for a while. Yes, it's new.
It works. Yeah, it's very good.

Speaker 2 A couple days.

Speaker 1 The smell is phenomenal. And also, I sprayed it and there's no puddle there, so it was actual mist as opposed to something that's going to pile up on your...

Speaker 2 You spray it in the morning, maybe?

Speaker 2 You know, and at the end of the night, before you go to bed, before you do a nighttime shower, maybe you'll say, like, oh, let me see if my pit smell with that dove spray before for shoot you can still smell that scent at night tough feeling whenever you're amongst people

Speaker 1 and you smell and you know

Speaker 1 did the whole elevator with like 15 people the other day try to stay away from those situations yeah you know but whenever it's big rush a lot of urgency everybody needs to be on right now i don't think you four do yo we do Are you sure that's like a 250, 500 pounds right there?

Speaker 1 I don't think needs to, I don't think needs to be on the elevator. Yep, needs to.
Okay. And then there's a scent of

Speaker 1 someone smells like fucking ass in here. Yeah, it's shite.
You know? Yep. And then your first thought is immediately, oh, can't be me.
Please, no. Please can't be me.

Speaker 1 Then you try to get to it, you know, in a natural way.

Speaker 1 How do you?

Speaker 1 Somebody smells like fucking ass in here. Yeah.
And it's not me.

Speaker 4 That should be acceptable, though, to do that. Like when you smell that, you should have been like, Jesus Christ, who smells like shite in here? Like, we should be able to start doing that.
I agree.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Take the stream out of it.
Yeah. Because you don't have to.
No, you don't. There are answers.
This is just like drunk driving. Okay.

Speaker 1 Never been acceptable. Now more than ever.
The fuck are you doing? Okay. With all the options that there is.
What are we doing?

Speaker 1 At a much less serious, but still irritating level. Nowhere near as much, but you get it.
You don't have to smell anymore.

Speaker 1 You don't have to ruin the society. Bingo.

Speaker 1 Bang.

Speaker 10 Dove.

Speaker 10 Still very serious. You know, if someone smells pretty terrible, whether their body or their breath, you're not hearing what they're telling you.
Like, you're not, you can't communicate very well.

Speaker 1 I didn't think about the amount of disinformation and miscommunication that's taking place because of how shitey somebody smells. I'm sorry, my ears aren't working because my nose works.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is wrong with you? And now I hate you.

Speaker 1 Now I hate you. Hey, can you go back to the beginning? I don't.
Where are we? I didn't hear anything you said. Send me an email.

Speaker 4 Have you ever heard bang?

Speaker 1 Dove men care.

Speaker 1 whole body deal?

Speaker 3 Good smell.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good smell. It's great.

Speaker 1 Still, we've been spraying the shit out of this. Still a lot left.

Speaker 3 I'm surprised you haven't passed out yet.

Speaker 1 Me? Yeah, a lot of sprays. Brother.
It's air. I was born in the dark.
It's aerosol-free. You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's also

Speaker 1 aluminium-free out here.

Speaker 2 What do you want to smell?

Speaker 1 You shouldn't hear. I mean, how many things did I just make smell better? At least a thousand.
I mean.

Speaker 2 So many air particles. Boom.

Speaker 1 If there was a BO problem right here,

Speaker 1 gone. Yeah.
Forever. Vanished.

Speaker 1 Get over here, Bill. People still sitting.
Bill, thank you for using the whole body deal. It has been an obvious difference in our lives.
Thank you, Bill. We appreciate you.
Bill's a bodybuilder.

Speaker 1 Bill's a good smelling human being. He's not a bad smelling human being.
He is. And he's becoming like a body.
Working out with the bodybuilders. Guys, Jack.
That is a full lifestyle commitment.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the bodybuilders are trying to be as attractive as possible. Like, that is the whole purpose.
There's a little difference to Bill, isn't there? Oh, yeah. A little mustache jocked Bill.

Speaker 1 Have they started working on poses yet? I don't know. Have you started doing the? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 He's at least watched YouTube.

Speaker 3 He does in one private in private. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 Are you doing the one that they wear the board shorts on? I think that's kind of fake. I don't know why they do that as one.
Have you ever seen that?

Speaker 10 Yeah, you gotta go. That's like the fitness company, like the fitness part of it or something.
They'll wear shorts, and maybe they're just not as juiced. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, there's also the all-natty ones.

Speaker 1 I've seen a couple of these because people that I've played sports with have gone on to get into this world and then they post on social media and I just kind of watch along.

Speaker 1 The one with the shorts, I don't know what we're doing here. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, I understand some people are just born with smaller legs, so they want to still be able to get absolutely jacked. But that one getting introduced to my life was brand new.

Speaker 1 There's bodybuilding competitions where they're wearing board shorts. Mickey Mouse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it could be like Foxy's legs on somebody that gets like obsessed with it, and there's like no chance to make those things. All genetics.

Speaker 1 yeah that's why i mean you're not a lot and with the ball sorry about it you said sorry about it yeah no lie yeah

Speaker 1 that's what we're saying yeah i think i think it brings in the small legged uh people there's the all natty and then there's the super is there like a super juice and then the kind of juice crews what are they i mean like the olympia if you're going for mr olympia that's like the the pinnacle of what you want to be and that's super juiced right they're doing everything i mean

Speaker 10 those dudes are absolute freaks yeah like i was in the era growing up like high school college where muscle we're getting muscle muscle and fitness magazine, like Dorian Yates, seven-time Mr.

Speaker 10 Olympia, like those guys were my heroes.

Speaker 1 What was that gym in Ohio? It's a very famous gym.

Speaker 10 Oh, you're talking Westside Barbell.

Speaker 1 Boom. You know, I watched a documentary on that place.
It's in Ohio. They followed,

Speaker 1 not that I would ever have enough work, I think, to show up there every single day.

Speaker 1 At this stage of life, maybe at 18, I think it could have caught me because of what happened at West Virginia going through a bar whist workout.

Speaker 1 I think watching things, I think the maximum amount of effort that you have to give for the entirety of the time that you're you're in a place is certainly something that maybe I could have done.

Speaker 1 Now, too comfortable. Sheets are too good.
Pillows are too good. Would not be able to do it.
No, thanks. But watching these documentaries, some of these, and Bill might be one of these guys.

Speaker 1 He's only getting into it more and more and more as the years roll on. It kind of, it becomes their entire

Speaker 1 and they become hardened. Those fucking dudes in that way.

Speaker 10 It becomes a great addiction. It's like a good addiction for people.

Speaker 1 Every meal, every sip, every moment of their day is kind of calculated and mapped out. And then they're just trying to

Speaker 1 just move and wait. Those guys aren't clean.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit, there he is.

Speaker 1 There's Bill right there. Bill's all natural.
There's Bill. Bill doesn't have the spray tape on the bottom.
Ronnie Coleman. Okay, Ronnie.
That's on the right.

Speaker 4 I like how he still does it with his hat on, too.

Speaker 1 Some guys wear shorts in some different levels.

Speaker 1 He wears a hat because the vascularity on his forehead is actually considered illegal in the competition. That's his big clothes.
Because it's too much. Yeah, he takes it off with just a

Speaker 1 head toss like that. And then they show the vascularity

Speaker 1 From front to back. It's like a rhino.

Speaker 1 I'm impressed by the amount of dedication and

Speaker 1 commitment you need. And they'll say, well, they're on a bunch of juice.
It's like.

Speaker 1 They're working their balls off. You still got to get on.

Speaker 1 The juice certainly helps. Okay.
The juice certainly helps. But those things aren't just going to grow themselves, brother.

Speaker 1 That starts tomorrow. Yeah, you're right.
We're starting tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I had Neg McMuffin this morning. It was so good.

Speaker 1 Always hits. So good.

Speaker 3 Governor.

Speaker 1 You're right. I'm acting like a deacon right now.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Coach Herbert. Hell of a season over there for the Chargers.

Speaker 12 It was a good season. Great start.

Speaker 1 Yenser, legend, icon. Hey, people are using the word jag off now in

Speaker 1 committee hearings and things like that. Really?

Speaker 1 I believe the word jag off was just mentioned

Speaker 1 in the political world. Were they in Pittsburgh?

Speaker 1 I don't know if the guy's from. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 It was.

Speaker 10 Is this a Pete Hegset deal where he's at right? Pete Hedzig. Is he trying to

Speaker 10 become whatever it is, Secretary of State, or whatever he's getting?

Speaker 1 Well, you know what it is. You're trying to bobble around, act like you're not.
What is he? What is happening there with Pete? What is he?

Speaker 10 He's trying to get sworn in, right? Or he's trying to get approved to be the dude.

Speaker 1 Okay, so.

Speaker 1 Defense secretary. I believe.
Defense secretary. Defense secretary.

Speaker 10 I saw Tim Kennedy tweeting about people getting kicked out for yelling and stuff.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, a lot of protests around these types of things throughout the years.

Speaker 1 I do believe anytime somebody's getting put into a position of power, the people that don't appreciate that are going to have their voices heard. Ask America.

Speaker 1 You know, now, how it goes about happening is kind of a part of it.

Speaker 1 But in the line of questioning, how it got into my feed is because he was quoted as calling somebody a jag off, I guess, at one point. And

Speaker 1 somebody from Rhode Island, I believe, a Democratic,

Speaker 1 what would that be? Those things. Senators.
Congress.

Speaker 1 Whatever. Congressperson.
Committee chair. Representative.
Whatever it is. So we explain what a jag off is.
And Pete says, I don't think it needs to be explained. I think people know.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I don't know. Jagoff just becomes a thing now.
Jagoff is a a great word. I don't think we use it enough, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 And that's probably because we just ran through it as kids. Jagoff was used as everything.
Yeah. I don't be a Jagoff.
This guy's a Jagoff. Showed up late with the food.
This fucking Jagoff. Everybody.

Speaker 3 I was introduced to my freshman year in college, my defense coordinator, Todd Orlando, Pittsburgh guy. Don't be a jagged.
Don't be a fucking jag off.

Speaker 1 It could be used in so many different ways. So imagine Pete trying to explain all the different ways.
Sure. Well, if somebody's late for something, it could be considered jagoff.

Speaker 1 It's also how you say it, the tone with what you say it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it wasn't an actual mad jagoff. Like, are we going, is this a real deal? Disrespect just happened.
Or was this this jag off? Just crack the joke. You know, it was pretty clever and pretty solid.

Speaker 1 I don't know how to describe it to you, sir, but it doesn't need to be, is what he said. And I love that,

Speaker 1 you know, Jensers are kind of getting a little bit more love. Maybe they win a playoff game.
People appreciate them more.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Holy shit, dude.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Artie Smith, Russell Wilson have good working relationships.

Speaker 1 Is that what they said?

Speaker 1 Tony, dogs. You don't believe it?

Speaker 2 You did use a certain.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 That I had, like, past tense. Like, one of these two guys aren't going to be here.

Speaker 1 No, they were acting, they were asking about how the season went.

Speaker 1 And they said, this is just like when Kevin O'Connell says, when I look back on this season, I'm going to have great memories with Sam Dartle. Everybody's like, it's over.
It's over.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, they're answering questions about how the year went. I think that's an A-ok answer.
I just don't know if Artie and Russ are two peas in a pot.

Speaker 1 Maybe, you know, maybe. I saw George Pickens shows I played stuff, games included.
He's making some big-time plays in some high-profile games.

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson's dancing around in the pocket, showing up dressing cool, making big-time plays, starting to get a handle on the offense later in the year.

Speaker 1 Things are going to look pretty different. Yeah.
At all levels. All levels.
Devontae Adams was on Up and Adams with Kay Adams and was asked if he would play for Tom, and he said said 100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah, him and Aaron. Aaron has both said that.
Big Mike McCarthy's out there still. Uh-oh, hold the phone.

Speaker 1 You free

Speaker 1 Mike McCarthy, offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Aaron Rodgers, quarterback, Devontae Adams is wide receiver.
What are you doing with Artie Smith?

Speaker 1 You're just kicking him out of the building? He's going to be the New York Jets head coach.

Speaker 2 No, he ain't.

Speaker 12 He's going home. Aaron Jones is a free.

Speaker 12 You might as well bring him in.

Speaker 1 Ah, Artie Smith cut his teeth.

Speaker 2 His best years as an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 With Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 1 One seed. Mustaches only may be up there.
Yeah, ring a bell.

Speaker 2 What about McDaniels?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because Josh McDaniels, friend of the program, up there. He's a UNC.

Speaker 9 It's a very hot job to have right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're saying people are clamoring to get back to New England. For sure, feels like it.

Speaker 1 I feel good about Vrabel up there.

Speaker 2 I feel great about it. And McDaniels, I didn't realize this until yesterday when Shepherd said it.
He's still getting paid from the Raiders for like two more years.

Speaker 1 How about Russ? Russ's still getting paid next year from the Broncos, right? Yeah. So he's still potentially taking a very team-friendly deal wherever he's playing quarterback at.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's with Kevin O'Connell next year. Oh, there you go.

Speaker 1 Is JJ not going to be healthy? What? McCarthy. He'll be back.
I don't know if he's a quarterback. Has he been in the building?

Speaker 1 I personally, if I'm running Minnesota Vikings, which I'm not, I'm very okay with JJ getting a year watching somebody, just like he was probably supposed to do this year with Sam Darnold, watching a quarterback be a quarterback through an NFL season, personally.

Speaker 1 Now, if all hell goes,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 and takes place, then you do what happened in New England, which I think they're planning on Drake May watching the whole year.

Speaker 1 And then it kind of gets so bad that they're kind of forced to put him in there. And then you learn how great he is.

Speaker 1 I think that is a benefit to the quarterback. Oh, yeah.
Especially if you miss your first year, just coming off of what we're coming off of here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 1 Because how much was he in the building? How much did he see? How many of the ups? How many of the downs? How many of the off days? How many of the work weeks? How many of the schedule?

Speaker 1 How many of the arrival? How much all that shit, handling teammates, how to handle the media, how to talk to coaches, all that shit being a pro. How much did he get?

Speaker 1 I don't know because I don't know the situation, but I think I assume they're planning on doing a Sam Darnold-like situation again where they get a veteran quarterback at a lesser amount of money and then have JJ kind of do that.

Speaker 1 They got one. And Sam? Dan Jones.
Yeah, because he was sitting there on the sideline. I was thinking, are they putting Dan Jones in this game?

Speaker 13 He might have won.

Speaker 1 I was watching that game. I was literally watching it, half asleep, and I'm like,

Speaker 1 are we about to get fucking Daniel Jones with the Minnesota Vikings right now? Could you imagine he goes in there,

Speaker 1 goes absolutely off, just starts running all over the place? Rams defense, oh, shit, we could have never guessed somebody was going to be able to run like this.

Speaker 3 Didn't game plan for this.

Speaker 1 Daniel Jones going into the divisional round. This guy's going to get paid $50 million.
Yeah. And instead, it's like, Sam Donald, this guy can't do it.

Speaker 1 How about he said he'd pay him three years, $100 million? Sam Donald.

Speaker 2 Insane. Couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 Sealer said that. Hey, Jay, did you hear that?

Speaker 10 Was that what Sheffty said?

Speaker 1 Ton Date said he would give Sam Darnold three years, a $100 million deal. That's what Baker got for having the exact same one single season.
Yeah. Okay, would you give Russell Wilson that deal? No.

Speaker 1 He's older. Russell's older.
One's 27, one's 37. Baker beat the Eagles.

Speaker 1 What's that, buddy? I mean, Baker beat the Eagles in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 If we're looking for a quarterback to take us to 10-7, and lose in the first round of playoffs, Sam Darnold's our guy.

Speaker 1 Is that what you want? Do it for three years. No, that's just what we're going to do.
So, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So, you're, I don't, we don't know what your feelings are, your projections of what the Steelers' operation is going to be. I don't know either.

Speaker 12 They did just pick up Skylar Thompson, so maybe, you know, he's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're already back to work.

Speaker 12 He was very good for the Dolphins this year.

Speaker 1 They're already back to work. Tomlin said it.
He said, I'm already back to work. I'm ready for next year.
How about all those things that I put out?

Speaker 1 You know, I did a little pitch presentation deck on the graphic. All the Rees.

Speaker 1 Every team has to do that, but what, eight now? Yeah, that bummed me out. Started with 32, counting down to to eight.

Speaker 1 Look at all those. Look at all those things.
So much has to happen and go right for you to win. What the Patriots did for 20-plus years, absurd.
What the Chiefs are doing right now, insane.

Speaker 1 And if your team's good right now, you should enjoy it because there's so much shit that goes into literally every single offseason, AJ.

Speaker 10 You have to like, you got to, you have to enjoy every part of it. That's like what Mike Tomlin said, like he's ready to get restarted.
Like, it's true.

Speaker 10 When you say restart too, is the restart mean April when they come back for the offseason workout? Does that mean the end of July when you start training camp?

Speaker 10 Because you are still so far away from actual real football. It's like overwhelming to think how much you have to do just to get back to have a chance to try to be a good team next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the Steelers just signed a quarterback today. You know, I mean, this is happening right now.
This is all happening in real time. And in some places, they don't even have a coach yet.

Speaker 1 Deion Sanders is going to be coaching the Dallas Cowboys. At the beginning of the show, I thought, no way.

Speaker 1 Now at the end of the show,

Speaker 1 maybe I got caught up in the ESPN lab sports media kitchen.

Speaker 1 And you said it does feel like a movie.

Speaker 3 It just makes too much sense.

Speaker 1 For everything they're looking for, too. Yeah.
And Jerry would love to flex that he hired Deion Sanders, especially if he ends up to be a great coach in the NFL, which is certainly possible.

Speaker 1 Now, with the Dallas Cowboys, is it possible to be great? We shall see. But like Jerry, that would be a, Jerry would love to be the guy, you know?

Speaker 3 It's a Jerry Jones move.

Speaker 1 I hired.

Speaker 1 Not only Coach Prime to play football for me, which he was a fantastic cowboy.

Speaker 1 Prime, please tell him who started your NFL coaching career, please. Ask Jimmy the same fucking question, please, whenever he came out of college, come to the Dallas Cowboys.
Please do that thing.

Speaker 1 I have an eye for talent now. People know nobody gives old Uncle Jerry credit for the eye for talent that I have.
Sure, we haven't won a Super Bowl in a long time.

Speaker 1 We might have come short, but not this fucking year. We're going to do some flash, some pizzazz, some prime time.

Speaker 1 Every week, prime time and prime time would be awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Would people hate Prime more or less? More. More.
More.

Speaker 1 Immediately. Without a doubt.
Immediately. For sure.
Really? No questions asked.

Speaker 12 I think it depends if they get Shadur or not. If they don't get Shadur, I think less.
I agree.

Speaker 4 Shefty said this morning on his podcast, there's absolutely no way they're trading Dak Prescott. I mean, obviously.

Speaker 1 What is that, $106 million or something?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's just said there's no way that the Titans are going to take that on because they would presumably have to trade up to number one to get him.

Speaker 4 He said, if Dion takes the job, it'll be on the Cowboys' merits, and he's just going to have to accept that he's not going to be coaching Shadur.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Colorado, he has all to say.

Speaker 1 Dallas, from what you just described, sounds like it's going to be obviously in Jerry's world and how he's going to have to do it. That's probably a very tough decision.

Speaker 1 That's a very tough ultimatum because what he has done in Colorado, he, like, he's flipped an entire community into a football community again.

Speaker 1 I think he had been for a long time, then obviously disappeared for a while. They're all the way back.
And every time I say they added his stadium, I guess their fans get mad.

Speaker 1 I mean, they, like, updated everything that they've had. That Jumbotron's bigger than Lucas Hole Stadium has over there.

Speaker 1 The season tickets, obviously, the merch, everything that the attention that has been brought to that beautiful place. And we were lucky to go there.
Gorgeous.

Speaker 1 And we never went there if Deion Sanders is not the coach there alongside her. Beautiful place up there.
What were the Flatirons? Is that what it was called? What was the

Speaker 1 Flatiron? Yeah, the Foothills, the Flatiron. The Foothills and Flatirons out in there, and we're in there.
The Rock was there. I mean, it was,

Speaker 1 that was a magical moment. If he was to leave, the people of Colorado would obviously be pissed.
A lot of people in college would say, I told you so. I told you so.
I told you so.

Speaker 1 What college coach wouldn't take the Dallas Cowboys head coaching job?

Speaker 1 Well, like, legitimately, three of them, like landing Kirby, and even then, maybe they would.

Speaker 1 Who wouldn't? I don't know.

Speaker 10 If, if offered, yeah, if offered, would any of them turn it down? Like, you'd have to really think about that.

Speaker 1 And then all the people that are going to dance on it and be like, he's just like we said, it's like.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what happens. That's a pretty nice fucker.
That is like the, you know, one of the Mike Tomlin, whenever he was asked if he was going to go coach USC,

Speaker 1 he said, I'm the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. This chair is like

Speaker 1 one of the most important ones in the world in our profession. So no offense, basically, but no chance is that even happening.
In what world is anybody having that conversation?

Speaker 1 I think that Dallas Cowboys job, now, I know Troy says it's not very coveted, but Sarkesian gets offered the Dallas Cowboys job. We think he's going to take it? Yes.

Speaker 1 I think it's coveted to Dion as well. What's that? It means a little bit more to Dion.
Since he played there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 and this opportunity may never come again like if they hire a guy who's great like guess what he's you know it's not like he's one of these other guys who's 37 38 years old and like if they fail they're gonna have a couple more cracks at this like this is probably you would think this would be maybe his only opportunity to go coach in the nfl what was the quote it's intriguing he said when jerry calls it's intriguing obviously but i love what we're doing here and then shepherd said the way it ended was he asked him if he knows what's gonna happen and prom said i don't know i don't know so i i think he didn't even think this was going to be an option.

Speaker 1 I think he this kind of,

Speaker 1 when it happens and it starts kind of taking place, he probably hadn't even really, I assume he had thought about what an NFL team would look like if he was coaching it.

Speaker 1 I don't think he thought maybe the opportunity was going to come with the Cowboys. I mean, the whole coaching cycle came and went.
McCarthy was still there, assumed to be there.

Speaker 1 So it's like, how many different teams would Prime even consider being the head coach of since he did play with the Cowboys?

Speaker 1 And how much is he actually like contemplating right now the entire process? I assume a lot. That's a heavy.

Speaker 3 I would assume. I mean, it would be

Speaker 3 almost idiotic not to. He's always said in the past, like, I don't see it.
I don't know if I'm built to coach

Speaker 3 rich people or grown men, you know, making all that type of money. But now, the way the college landscape is, they're making money.

Speaker 3 You're coaching those rich guys too, but now they're just 19, 20 year olds instead of 25, 30 year olds. So definitely intriguing.
I would be interested to see, so I'm kind of like you.

Speaker 3 Like, I'm like probably 50, 50 right now. Yeah.
And maybe coming into the weekend, I'm thinking, like, nah, that won't happen.

Speaker 1 10% may be coming into the show. I'll see.
10% of it happening. Now, 50-50.
Yep. Maybe Coach Prime's going to be down here in Dallas.
That's going to be an awesome press conference.

Speaker 1 Remember what Jerry and Mike McCarthy did when they launched their last relationship? Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was fireworks. I can't even imagine what Prime.
The shoes that are going to come out of this? Got to be electric. Oh, my God.
The content?

Speaker 1 Can Jerry just hire Dion, or do they have to abide by the Rooney rule and interview a white dude?

Speaker 1 I don't think that is a part of the Rooney fan.

Speaker 4 Just for minority coaches. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you thought the minority rule was we need to interview somebody from each race. Yeah.
Bingo. That's an AP voter.
What about like the Asian folks? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bingo.

Speaker 1 I think the Latino folks. Yeah, I think we should be doing it.
You said we need to increase the Rooney rule. Yes.
A lot of people are calling into question the Rooney rule on its effectiveness.

Speaker 1 You're saying we need to add more to the Rooney rule.

Speaker 1 I don't think a white needs to be interviewed. I don't think from the way the Rooney rule is currently stated.
Drop Mayo got hired in 10 minutes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, written into his contract.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they might have interviewed

Speaker 1 Kraft's kid, I guess. Harry, behind closed doors

Speaker 1 to knock out the white interview.

Speaker 1 I think that's what the Rooney rule was put in. They were worried white guys weren't getting enough interviews.

Speaker 1 I think that's what it was for, right? I think that's for more opportunity.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not enough white guys getting interviews. Got to make sure we have that.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine the NFL added that? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 The internet would be fantastic. All right.

Speaker 1 Before we get out of here, I think we got to do a giveaway. Payload McComas.
He's too jacked to do any of the sports.

Speaker 1 Could happen on the court, so I would not be asking him to.

Speaker 3 40 reps, 225.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go to squad 500 pounds. Hold on, Tim Tabeau, we made a deal.
He said 225 30 times, right? Yep. You know what he said? Yep, that's all right.
He's going to do it.

Speaker 10 He said he might be able to get 34, he believes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was like pretty exact, which means he's tried, so he knows exactly how many he could get. He is a monster.

Speaker 1 He was, when I brought it up during the

Speaker 1 field pass, alt cast on ESPN 2, whenever he was there, great talking to him. I said, hey, I heard you were in the gym this morning, three hours.
I heard, because it was the ESPN hotel.

Speaker 1 So there was like three different groups of people that did their workouts and exited that saw Tim Tebow in the weight room.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm not saying all the groups that were represented are having full hour-long lifts, but I'm saying three different groups said, hey, I saw Tebow in a weight room this morning at this time.

Speaker 1 They leave. Somebody else said they were in the gym.
Did not see the first person that talked to me, but did see Tim Tebow. And then another group, I'm like, did you see bang, bang?

Speaker 1 They're like, no, I didn't see them. Tebow's still in the gym.

Speaker 1 So he, he outlasted three separate workouts from three people that I talked to, and they all felt obligated to tell me about the workout too. Like he was fucking getting after it.

Speaker 1 It wasn't just like, this wasn't like a hotel workout. This was a fucking, he was getting after it in there it's like it makes sense he is yeah he's jacked

Speaker 10 yeah he is yeah he's wide his back is built like a texas longhorn yeah it is like bevo walked by and it was like that's what fucking t-bo what is he doing is he doing bodybuilding what do you think he's doing he just lifts he lifts heavy he got he was like he looked at me like he got offended when i asked him about if he's doing high reps or something he's like return nobody or nobody wants to do reps like i'm just lifting heavy weights like he he is he's trying to he's in he's in bulking season at all times it sounds like oh yeah you guys had your little meathead interaction i do recall that.

Speaker 1 And he was upset with you. She's so big.
She's gigantic. Legs, too.

Speaker 10 No, his legs are huge. Like, that's the thing.
Like, he, Timmy, top to bottom, is in great shape.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. And I believe he and his lady just announced that they're going to have chops.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Steve. I thought they were going to.

Speaker 10 I thought they maybe just had one.

Speaker 1 No, are going to. Oh, that was an announcement.
Oh, it was a sonogram or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay, sweet.

Speaker 1 So the way you read it was not how I read it, but could have been true. That's why you saw my reaction there to get a little bit further of a check.
Congrats to them on

Speaker 1 conceit. I mean, that's obviously a massive ordeal.
I assume that baby is going to be so athletic.

Speaker 1 Just a Tebow through and through. Congrats to the couple.
Oh, yeah, a T-boat. We haven't met Mitches, right? No.
Never.

Speaker 1 I wonder what she thinks of our shit whenever Tim's on the show.

Speaker 12 I certainly didn't like it when Hawker called him a prophet, I'll tell you that much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did not like that.

Speaker 3 I just circled back. I love how you just powers through.

Speaker 1 I just circle back.

Speaker 10 Mike, we're not even talking. He just wants to write past whatever question or whatever comment we throw at him.

Speaker 1 So, Sam, you know, Sam, NFL fan, obviously lives in Indianapolis, so loves sports and stuff. Didn't follow us closely, you know, like ESPN and stuff back in like 2005.

Speaker 1 I said, Sam, you have no idea who Tim Tebow is. I said, ESPN actually revolved around Tim Tebow and LeBron James.
That is a matter of fact. Anything Tim Tebow did, breaking.

Speaker 1 Tim Tebow took a four-wipe shit this morning. People are wondering if his diet had changed because normally he's a no-wiper, as you would assume.
Now back to insert whatever.

Speaker 1 That was Tim Tebow for a long time, right? Wasn't it?

Speaker 10 Legit. Absolutely.
Remember, he signed with the Patriots for a quick minute, and I believe it was on the Jets. There was like a video of him running shirtless when it's raining after practice.

Speaker 10 He signed with

Speaker 12 the Jags when Urban Meyer was there a few years ago, and it was still massive.

Speaker 1 He played tight end, wasn't he? Yeah, he was playing tight end. Then he played baseball.
This is him playing tight end with the Jags. Obviously his biceps are going to eat the football.

Speaker 1 I mean at this point he was in the middle of bulking season. I'm not 100% sure he was ready to be back in football, especially in a position he had never played before.
But fuck it. I'll give it a go.

Speaker 1 Athlete. He goes and plays baseball later into his athletic career.

Speaker 1 It's like, so every time he comes on, I feel obligated to remind him of who he is and let him know that like, hey, listen, we experienced what you did, dude. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 But I don't know if everybody knows that that's who Tim Tebow is. I'm starting to realize.

Speaker 1 People need to remember. Swamp Kings helped.

Speaker 2 I remember when the Swamp Kings documentary came out, people were like, holy shit, Tim Tebow, the ones who didn't know and lived through all.

Speaker 1 He's a real deal, brother. He would give these speeches as if he was either a preacher, pastor, Jesus Christ, or a head ball coach.

Speaker 1 All at the same.

Speaker 1 And the one he said, you're never going to see a team fight harder, work harder, come together, bye-bye. And then they never lose any win a national championship.
It's like this guy.

Speaker 1 And then you meet him and it's like, oh, this is actually who he is all day, every day. Loves Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 He does. His Lord and Savior.

Speaker 1 Amen.

Speaker 1 And I'm happy. It's gone to a great place.
They changed praying to T-Bowing. Yeah.
I had to remind Sam of that. Sam, you know, taking a knee and praying? That was called T-bowing.

Speaker 1 I don't think T-Bow loved that, by the way.

Speaker 3 Not in a dictionary.

Speaker 1 He didn't mind the fact that more people were praying, though. No,

Speaker 1 why would it?

Speaker 2 That's how cool style with the Broncos now. More prayers he had to to listen to drafted by the Broncos to win.

Speaker 1 Last quarterback, right? To be drafted by the Broncons. I think only.

Speaker 1 Only ever? I thought so. Yeah, because Elway was drafted by the Colts.
Yeah. And he saw him up playing here.
What was that all about?

Speaker 1 I don't like that. He saw the right home in baseball.
Maybe he's a prophet.

Speaker 1 Got great car dealerships.

Speaker 3 Yes, he does.

Speaker 2 Fucked up that deal, though.

Speaker 1 Completely off track.

Speaker 1 The fact that Nick Saban's just moving a thousand whips a week or a month down in Miami and in all these other cities is so awesome. He just flies in,

Speaker 1 has his meeting with his team, gives a motivational message, then he's out of there. Another record-breaking month for

Speaker 1 like think about him actually leading like business. He does.
He like goes and speaks to all these businesses. He's motivated, and he's a great businessman.

Speaker 1 He always gives credit to the guy that he does work with who pitched him on the original idea.

Speaker 1 But he's like very invested, like very much flies down, checks in, wants to build a relationship, wants to motivate, and then gets out. Obviously, it's profitable, it's good business.

Speaker 1 But on the other side, I think he just likes leading. Like, I think he likes

Speaker 1 doing all it was a cool year getting a chance to watch Nick Saban work this year, legit, like, just listen to him. The amount of knowledge that just accidentally falls out of his fucking mouth.

Speaker 1 Just, what was that one? Just trying to pick it up. Like, genius, this guy.
Leader, when you're talking about it, through and through, walks to walk, obviously, can talk to talk in a great fashion.

Speaker 1 And he is benefiting. He was at a golf outin, in, I think, yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He loves golf now.
I did see him golfing, yes. He golfs three times a week.
He was striping the ball, I heard. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Best round of his life.

Speaker 1 That's what he does. That's what he does.
I don't know which round you're talking about. He plays three times a week.
I do believe it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 I think there is a little bit of a sandbag situation. He always talks about how bad he is.
Sure. He does.
Anytime we start talking about playing golf, he's always like, well, I'm not that.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm not that. I think he's trying to.

Speaker 1 I let him know every time I'm like, I suck at golf coach. Like, if we were to play, you will beat me.
I want to let you know that. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, we'll just, we'll work on some things, you know.

Speaker 1 He loves golf.

Speaker 3 He's got a nice swing. Great

Speaker 1 pro-ms. Play college baseball.
Oh, shit. I didn't know that.
Oh, I saw him swinging it up. Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, like, there'll be times we're over on the,

Speaker 1 I still don't know the name of it, but the one that has the grass where I almost died with the

Speaker 1 things on. Yeah, yeah.
And then I have the big pointer thing.

Speaker 1 So there'll be times where I'm like, it would be Reese is either.

Speaker 1 over voice over a video or a commercial breaker we're sitting there and i'll just get bored naturally because that fucking pointer so it's a huge thing.

Speaker 1 So, I'll just start doing a golf swing, you know, and then all of a sudden he'll be like,

Speaker 1 and he'll be like,

Speaker 10 change your grip and how injured.

Speaker 1 He's like, me, me,

Speaker 1 me,

Speaker 1 you, and it's like, this is literally during commercial. Reese is talking.
We're all mic'd up, so we can't say anything. And I'm like doing this, he's like trying to get he's like,

Speaker 1 I'm like, okay, all right, all right, all right, all right. What'd Scotty tell you?

Speaker 1 Whatever your natural swing is, don't ever do whatever that was, don't ever do that again.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 Whatever feels good,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 1 What is that? Don't ever do whatever that was. Oh, I'm trying to get it.
Whatever's just natural, just do whatever's natural. Is he playing it right? Foxy, you started doing that right? He's not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went back to my natural swing, and who would have known? I'm hitting so many more greens out back than I was before. I started messing with stuff.

Speaker 10 Wait, what would you do other if you're not swinging your swing? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 I'm out of the pocket. Yeah, you watch Instagram and YouTube videos and you go, I want to try that.
And then you're like, I got to stay dumb. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Staying really dumb.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Well, that's kind of what Scotty...
That's basically what Scotty...

Speaker 1 Scotty and I had a 15-second conversation about my golf game, and I think I got it fixed. Sure.
Basically, he was like, whatever is natural, just do that.

Speaker 1 And I think what he said on top of that is like, see how the ball flies and then fucking just adjust. Because whatever your natural thing is, like, oh, my God, you make golf so easy.

Speaker 1 It's like when Bill Belichick starts talking about, you know, football. It's like the smallest, easiest thing.
Just do that. It's like, that's what I took away from my convo with Scotty.

Speaker 1 Now, to your question, Tone, I don't believe Scotty's playing tonight, but Tiger's playing. Mm-hmm.
Tigers playing tonight. Scotty's not a part of that at all, I believe.
Well, that's

Speaker 1 new father. I should lock his own.
He's new father.

Speaker 10 Who's on Tiger's team? This is the TGL situation?

Speaker 1 Max Holma, I know, is on his team.

Speaker 1 Kisner is on his team. Oh, okay.
Got the tears of Jupiter taking on the... Who's that? Set.
What's the name?

Speaker 10 Kevin Kisner.

Speaker 1 It is

Speaker 1 Jupiter Lynx.

Speaker 1 Not the Tears of Jupiter. Jupiter Lynx golf club.

Speaker 1 And then it's the LA golf.

Speaker 1 It's the LA golf club. Is that kind of corn fairy? Okay, he's losing.
Is that what that guy is? Who's the guy with corn fairy? That's the gala. He's a good player? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's sponsored by the corn fairy?

Speaker 4 I guess. I don't love that they got a fucking Brit on the LA GC, though.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that's about. Far left, right? Yeah, exactly.
Just

Speaker 1 Rose. He's been in LA guy.
He's electrifying, though, is he not? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Cobbins. Who's far right? Big face.
Looks like he hits the ball well. Kevin Kizner.
That's Kiz. Yeah.
Yeah. I know Kiz.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 That is Kevin Kisner. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 He's gotten younger somehow. I did not know that is Kevin Kisner.
I love Kevin Kisner. It's hard to recognize a little 30 rack of beard.
Bingo, that guy is a good time.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm pulling for them just strictly because of the vibes.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Tiger's on the team. He's getting sued.
You see that? Oh, yeah. Wow, your little tiger looks a lot like what we have been doing for, I don't know, 50 fucking years, bro.
Who slewed him?

Speaker 3 That was the first thing I thought of when I saw

Speaker 3 logo.

Speaker 1 Puma? Yeah. No.

Speaker 10 I see it everywhere. People are wearing that.

Speaker 1 Keep it in the shelves. Excuse me.
Tyrese Halliburton is Puma King, and I also learned he's listed as doubtful for tonight's game.

Speaker 1 I was actually picking the casers because he was playing. Turns out he's probably not playing.

Speaker 1 But Puma's not happy with the way that tiger is shaped, so people are going to get confused.

Speaker 2 But they're Sunday Red, to AJ's point, all over the goddamn place.

Speaker 1 Yeah, same with Puma. Everywhere I look.

Speaker 1 Same with Puma. It's almost a battle.
Who can see one in the wild first?

Speaker 10 But Tiger's tiger is going to the right and and the Puma is jumping left.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not even close. Yeah, they both are at full extension, though, because that's the most maximum power.
And obviously, you'd want a Tiger at maximum power and a Puma at maximum power.

Speaker 1 Also, it's a Puma, it's two different levels. Jungle Cats, certainly.

Speaker 1 I don't hate it, though, from Puma.

Speaker 4 You know, just throwing a line out there, say, shit, we might win this thing.

Speaker 1 Fuck it. Let's sue them.
Let's sue them.

Speaker 10 Give some pub to Tucker Co.

Speaker 1 I don't hate it. This might be at work.
It could be at work. This might be at work by

Speaker 1 Big Red to buy Big puma exactly jungle cats unite could be we don't know bring a little spotlight to both brands i like that

Speaker 1 town you got all the sundae red i never see you wear any of a bunch of it well it's not golf season will you wear it when it's golf season yeah oh certainly you're gonna walk out on that first tee yeah you ever seen one of these puma no asshole

Speaker 1 sunday red to the right it's big red dave butt's got some too oh yeah golf season love it hank hush wore some in here yeah great quality that 800 buck hoodie

Speaker 1 it's sharp guys it's absolute sharp

Speaker 1 that's

Speaker 1 I mean the Nike line with Tiger Woods was the greatest golf gear of all time I don't know what happened but we need to bring that back I don't know it sounds like Puma's starting to maybe move in on the action you know and that's always good but you're right Nike in Tiger I mean

Speaker 1 I think changed golf history

Speaker 1 yes so whenever we heard he was going

Speaker 1 independent we thought to ourselves we'll pull for him out there. Then I opened a website and I said, I ain't paying $2,000 for a fucking golf course.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I don't have the time.
They were trying to catch up to their earnings from a 20-year standpoint of Nike to just in the first go. This is what we need to return on this.

Speaker 1 We think if we sell 10 of these things at 15 grand a pop, obviously we'll kill them. We're right there.

Speaker 1 It seemed like a miss. I don't know.
I assume they sold out. I assume they sold out.
That's Tiger. Just like tonight, I'll watch because Tiger's playing golf.
That's right. I'm a simple human being.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if Tiger Woods is swinging a golf club, you're probably going to see me watching it. And I'll probably be judging and expecting he's going to win the whole fucking thing.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Doesn't have to walk, so he should. Yeah, it's almost created for him.
No doubt. TGL, Tigers Golf League.
Yeah. Better be shit talking.

Speaker 4 Yep. If I know Kiz, he's drink seven, eight beers before they head out there, and he's going to let it fly.

Speaker 1 He's going to be loose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kiz is going to bury a massive butt. Yeah.
Early, I think. Get the vibes rolling.
Tarps off. Oh, my God.
Maybe they do end up shirtless. Yeah.
I didn't even think about TGL having shirtless golfers.

Speaker 1 Might throw a flag early.

Speaker 10 Oh, if they're farmers' tan, that'd be amazing.

Speaker 1 They have the worst tans in sport. Yes.

Speaker 1 Forehead, bang. Stewart, Stewart's thing, by far.
Permanent legends.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do a giveaway before we get out of here on this glorious Super Wild Tuesday. It has been super wild.
Super wall. Super war wall.
Super wild.

Speaker 1 I mean, Deion's the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. You know, it might be the sage that was burning here, but I'm a believer.
I think it's going to happen. I don't know if I should.

Speaker 1 Mike McCarthy's going to be the OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Come back home.
Why not? It's like Arthur Smith's going to be offense coordinator of New England Patriots. Who says no?

Speaker 1 Josh McDaniels, potentially.

Speaker 1 Josh McDaniels has been done the doci dough. He put his right foot in.
He was the Colts head coach. Then he put his right foot out.
I'm not going to be the coach because the owner took a shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those were the days. Clogged out to Tony.
Potentially.

Speaker 1 Wipe his ass ass with a hand towel. Was it the

Speaker 1 Master Bath or hall bath? It was right there off

Speaker 10 the dining room. I heard it was the Master Bath and he even started to get the jacuzzi going, maybe.
Try to.

Speaker 1 He was squatting over. No, Day.
No, Bidet.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Tone, you want to do the giveaway?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Tone. That's the right move.

Speaker 1 You self-confident. But if you want, I will.
Tone, you can't pass the giveaway, please. For the good of the people.
I want to play like a champion. I like my George.

Speaker 1 Throw like a champion. Yeah, both throw your golf gear up.
Believe.

Speaker 1 What do you want to do, Ton?

Speaker 1 Football.

Speaker 1 Putt.

Speaker 1 There is an opportunity to putt. There are a few golf balls already in the holes.
Shout out to whoever made those putts. I'm proud of them.
Golf season's right around the corner.

Speaker 1 You're going to fucking take some strokes off your game. That's right.
And it's the work that you put in right here. It's going to save your afternoons with the lads.

Speaker 1 Because you can go from being

Speaker 1 a good day at golf to this fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 You missed three putts on every single hole. Exactly.
That flat stick will get you. That's why you need one of these.

Speaker 1 Now we have one of these and none of us use it. I do not use it.
I believe D-Bunch gets in there every once in a while. I got to get back on it.
Foxy will get in there every once in a while.

Speaker 1 JC uses it. JC is certainly working.

Speaker 10 Hunting's not fun, man. Hunting is just not that fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, golf as a whole has become not a lot of fun for me. Yeah, quick golf.
Because of how bad I've been, but hunting was certainly my least desired part of golf whenever I was playing.

Speaker 1 I think I'm getting back in the game this spring.

Speaker 1 Nice. Now, is that because we're not doing a soccer thing? Maybe.
Probably.

Speaker 3 If I had to guess. I'm excited for you to get back.

Speaker 1 And the golf? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 You should get a scramble partner because I got one in this building and we're one in the power rankings right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, what's that, buddy? Who is that? Foxy?

Speaker 10 D-Bone? Top.

Speaker 1 Talk? What's going on? What? Talk plays golf? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 12 What is this? Goofball golf.

Speaker 1 What do you.

Speaker 1 I've played golf with Tac before. He plays exactly how you think he plays.
Okay, so he swings one-handed. I think it's a wide-lift.
I think it's a wide face.

Speaker 1 I think it's a real wide face. I think we're only using one hand.
I think the other hand's potentially just there to guide it. And I think he's making solid contact.
Solid.

Speaker 1 175 yards right in the middle of the fairway. Bingo.
Okay. Then he's stepping up again, and he's getting all.
I think feet are facing.

Speaker 1 I think feet are facing the pin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's like a

Speaker 1 perpendicular.

Speaker 1 I think his feet are like this, and I think he does the same thing yeah i've seen him i've never seen him golf but in my head i just watch no that was spot on them double bogey triple bogey you name it it doesn't matter he's not phased he just moved moseys on to the next hole well that's a tough hole clutch that was a tough hole golf's hard there you go that next one

Speaker 1 talks the best i was really worried about him whenever tick tock was about to disappear good news uh mr wonderful uh has been able to find somebody who could actually buy tick tock and tell them to buy tick tock i think is what's happening oh i thought Xi Jinping said, we'll sell it to Elon.

Speaker 2 That's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I think,

Speaker 1 I think there's only a few people on earth that have enough money to potentially be able to buy it. You know, if you think about what X went for, Twitter went for, it's like 40 billion, right?

Speaker 1 48 billion. TikTok is massive, has the entire younger generation.
So when Mr.

Speaker 1 Wonderful came out and said he was going to buy it, I was certainly impressed, but I didn't know how he was going to put a licensing deal together like this with Shark Tank to be able to get something that's probably 50 billion.

Speaker 1 I mean, probably.

Speaker 1 if you just think about the price, and are you and you got to monetize it too?

Speaker 10 I mean, I don't know how it is compared to Twitter and X, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Couldn't you lowball it, by the way? Because you're losing half there.

Speaker 10 You should.

Speaker 1 I think, I don't know how I've never done business with China. Sure.
I don't know if they'd be willing to take it rather than get screwed over in a deal.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know what would happen.
But there's only a few people that could get up into that world. And I think Bezos is certainly one of them, but he's always on yachts doing stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. See, Ray Run TikTok, and him doing dances on there.

Speaker 2 Well, they let Elon have two of the most powerful social media programs.

Speaker 1 Now he's starting Monopoly stuff. But if you think about Zuck, Zuck has two of the biggest, right? Zuck owns two of the biggest.
Facebook's still out there. What's their, what are they at?

Speaker 1 Facebook, yeah. I think he said,

Speaker 1 I forget the number. He just saw Rogan.
He said a lot.

Speaker 1 Said a lot. Yeah, I saw a lot of that.
Yeah, I saw it in clips. It was pretty crazy what he said.

Speaker 3 He's changed.

Speaker 1 Very crazy. 750.
I forget the number. Grotesque number every day on active users.
Yeah. It is a fucking absurd number.

Speaker 1 And then he talked about threads having, I forget, 750 million, 250 million. I forget what.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 So I don't believe him.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's yearly, not daily. Oh, I think it was like, I think he very much, there was a massive

Speaker 1 difference.

Speaker 10 Are they getting new people to Facebook, though? Are new people signing up for Facebook?

Speaker 1 I don't know. You know, every once in a while, I'll hop over there.
If somebody like posts a photo, like I think it is.

Speaker 3 On accident.

Speaker 1 Yes. Well, somebody would text me and say, hey, did you see blank on this? And I'm like, I didn't know we were still checking on there.

Speaker 1 But then I'd go over there and I'd see a photo. It'd be like, I think that's what it used to be more like Facebook, like checking up with family and like photos from a distance.

Speaker 1 But now like Instagram is kind of just taking that. It's a group like right.

Speaker 3 above us like a little bit older generation than us like our like maybe aunts uncles older cousins older brothers that's where i that's the only time i get shit from Facebook.

Speaker 1 No, I see. I think there's some people, like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Grant, I went to West Virginia and some of these guys live

Speaker 1 like in small towns. But I'll get a text from somebody our age that'll say, hey, did you see this on Facebook?

Speaker 1 Every time I read it, I think I'm reading a different language.

Speaker 1 Is that

Speaker 1 I didn't expect to see that.

Speaker 1 And then I'll go over there, check it out. I think there's still a lot of people doing it.
I think. I don't know.
That's what Zuck said.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think my generation down is.

Speaker 1 not at all at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that's dead. Instagram.

Speaker 10 I mean, I think it's older than that, Con. I think, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't really think we're my generation.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I don't think our generation.

Speaker 10 It's like my parents going to checking on what their niece and nephews are doing because what their parents are posting about them, or it's like random people ranting about something stupid, about the trees not being trimmed in the front yard or something.

Speaker 1 I feel like we're social media people. That's what I mean.
I think they're never on there.

Speaker 2 If he's saying that they have a bunch of people, yeah.

Speaker 1 But those olds might live on there, too.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's why that stuff starts happening, which is why the Zuck situation was so,

Speaker 1 yeah, monthly active users, Facebook 3 billion. Yeah,

Speaker 1 YouTube 2.7 billion.

Speaker 10 Probably outside the U.S., it's got to be huge, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but YouTube also gigantic outside the U.S.

Speaker 2 Where is this from? Twitter's not on here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because remember, they say

Speaker 1 Twitter does not have anywhere near as many active users because it is a cruise and

Speaker 1 watch website as opposed to an active user site. I believe that.
What's YouTube?

Speaker 1 They consider watchers, I think, active users.

Speaker 2 So we got different rules for different places.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's like YouTube. I don't think YouTube is all the people that are creating on there.
I don't think that's the amount of people that are creating on there.

Speaker 1 I think that's the amount of people that are watching on there. And then X, I think, is the amount of people that are active on there, like creators on there.
I think that's how it's been judged.

Speaker 1 But to your point, that does feel like two videos.

Speaker 6 X is 15th on that list there.

Speaker 1 But is it just humans using site or active on site?

Speaker 6 I think an active user is just someone logging on and visiting the site in that month. Interesting, man.

Speaker 3 A lot of young people don't use X like that.

Speaker 6 Nope.

Speaker 1 Nope. They're going to get there.

Speaker 1 They'll get there. That's the one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but the young people think, well, they don't use Facebook.

Speaker 1 So they just have all the old people we're saying. Yeah, but I think you get older and you get into these.

Speaker 1 The organic traffic, though.

Speaker 3 Like real, I mean, you had MySpace, but then Facebook became like the first big like social media. Even like a lot of our stuff we post still goes on Facebook unless you like turn off that setting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we post on Facebook right now. I have not checked that out.

Speaker 1 I should go over there, see how that's going. Holy fuck, good reminder right there, Deba.
Yeah, because they asked me like 40 times, would you also like to post on Facebook?

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I don't know which one. Like, is it,

Speaker 1 I don't have the passwords for these things either. And they're like, Pat McAfee show, Facebook page.
Would you like to post on there?

Speaker 1 Sounds smart. Okay, I'll hit yes.
And then they take a picture of my face. And you're like, yep, you're good to go.
I'm like, is that even logged in anywhere?

Speaker 1 I don't even know how we're going to get it. But it's up over there.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Zuck.

Speaker 1 Zuck was in the middle of a lot of stuff, I think, with what he was saying in a room. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm sure he wasn't playing both sides in the moment.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Whoa, why would he do that? Jeez, Louise.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Why would he?

Speaker 1 Let's do a giveaway. Let's not talk about it.
He seemed like a human, at least.

Speaker 3 It's a news up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree, Agent. Yeah, he's doing jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he wants to fight. He wants to have like a jiu-jitsu match.

Speaker 2 I'll wait for Cat Williams to make sure.

Speaker 1 We'll see.

Speaker 1 He's got Jack Harlow hair, though. Did you see that? He's got that big.
Exactly. I like the big boofy hair.
He looks sweet. Had a chain on.
He's doing jiu-jitsu. He's a chameleon.

Speaker 1 No, I think he's a human.

Speaker 10 And that was wild pigs on his ranch with a bow and arrow. Definitely.

Speaker 1 He's just living, evolving. He's becoming.
He's learning.

Speaker 4 Zuck's a dog.

Speaker 2 He's like my grandma.

Speaker 1 Zuck's got 3 billion people on his shit every single month. All started in a dorm room.
And

Speaker 1 the Vinkle Wasses, the Winklewasses. Yep,

Speaker 1 both of them. They don't like it.
They don't like it one bit. Eduardo doesn't either.
Well, Eduardo should have made the trip. You know, he should have.
He should have. You're right.

Speaker 1 He's blaming everybody but himself. He's in the closing accounts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And everybody else sacrificed.

Speaker 1 You know, you're doing your thing. We get it.
Justin Timmerlake, really smart in that.

Speaker 1 Drop the

Speaker 1 genius. Please.
Napster, what a run.

Speaker 1 Napster. What a run that had.

Speaker 3 I'm wire.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do a giveaway.

Speaker 1 Dicks, you're going to throw a football? Or should I putt?

Speaker 1 Your guys' choice. Oh, no.
No, it's your choice. Waffling.
We're waffling. I'll putt.
Start with the football. No, putt?

Speaker 9 Tony, throw that pig skin.

Speaker 1 You putt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good cop. You know what you want to do, but I mean.
You should at least throw throw one.

Speaker 12 I mean you got a ball just said it wasn't golf season. I don't know if he can play golf after that.

Speaker 1 Gumpy said

Speaker 1 your

Speaker 1 co-host said that you just said it's not golf season. So you're not going to do golf season.
Tonight it is actually though. Huh? Tonight it is actually.
Oh, it is in indoor golf too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which would be this exact case. He kind of checkmated you there, Gumpy.

Speaker 12 Well, I want to see some Sunday Red tomorrow then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I need to be wearing Sunday Red tomorrow to really live the gimmick is what Gumpy said. I will.

Speaker 1 this guy's gonna walk in here dressed like a million bucks

Speaker 1 literally literally yeah shirt hat and sweats yeah that's right ditch all you gotta do is put that football into that hoop right over there if you're able to do that 30 people win 500 on this magical super wild tuesday i'll take that ball if you don't like certainly get a little fidgety with them boom good throw yeah it's a little flat obviously the air has gotten a little cold ask the patriots about that

Speaker 1 oh that thing was turning nicely you saw that you saw that son of a bitch turn it. It was turning where if it hit the backboard, that thing would have banked perfectly right into that hoop.

Speaker 1 It might have been a bank swish, which if it would have been, we would have had 50 winners of $500.

Speaker 1 But if you just take that thing in there, 30 people, $500 turned, and you're playing like a champion today. No, not down.

Speaker 1 You're right there. That was a good toss.

Speaker 1 That was a good toss. Ty Schmidt has coach Lou Holtz actually has something to say to you.
Play like a champion today, Turn Diggs.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I'm just going to simply say, quit pussyfooting.

Speaker 9 throw that fucking pigskin as hard as you can as a backboard hopefully you hit it on one of the cores and it ricochets directly into the hoop okay i'm serious son i want to i want to see you throw this thing as hard as you fucking can right now and try to put it into the hoop okay either go balls and walls 100 or you can pussyfoot around and embarrass yourself by you know coming up short decision's yours 30 people 500

Speaker 1 oh you know

Speaker 9 i was never gonna go in coach i almost still got no backboard you know i said you if it simple geometry, you hit the exact point right inside that upper right square.

Speaker 1 That's just upper right quadrant.

Speaker 9 Exactly. Upper right quadrant.
You hit that exactly right at the right angle. It's going to fall right into the hoop.

Speaker 1 30 people fire.

Speaker 1 All right, we just fucked up that ball off of the bricks.

Speaker 1 Before you finish, Coach Holtz,

Speaker 1 we'd be remiss if we didn't run. Ryan Day of the Ohio State Buckeyes was asked if he and Coach Lou Holtz have buried the hatchet since the interview that Lou Holtz had with

Speaker 1 Lou Holtz.

Speaker 8 Speaking of that, I'm just curious. Have you and Lou Holtz ever talked since then?

Speaker 8 Either patching things up or coming between you?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 Well, that's a lie because when we were in Columbus, he clearly spoke to Coach Lou Holtz.

Speaker 1 AJ, you think Coach Lou Holtz knows that Ryan Day still wants a little smoke with what he said about that team last year up there in Notre Dame?

Speaker 10 I sure hope so. After seeing Lou Holtz talk to Lou Holtz a little over on the set when we were over there, like, I hope we get this thing reignited because I know Lou Holtz is ready.

Speaker 10 Like, he's going to be there, right? He'll be there at the game.

Speaker 1 I would assume Lou Holtz is going to be here. He's probably leading the team out there.
Coach Lou Holtz, what's your messaging about this Ohio State Buckeye team?

Speaker 1 They've looked tough and very good on their road to the national championship.

Speaker 9 Yeah, they have looked tough physical football team, but

Speaker 9 really all you got to do is say they're not tough or physical, and Ryan Day will start pouting, and that'll just kind of trickle down to the rest of the table.

Speaker 9 It's kind of what happened last year, if you remember correctly. I will be at the game.
I said, be at the game, God willing, if my leg feels better.

Speaker 9 Because my left leg right now is fucking killing me.

Speaker 1 This is what Lou Holtz said.

Speaker 9 He said, if his leg is feeling better, God willing, he will be down in Atlanta on the field at the football game. But I mean, if Ryan Day wants to reignite this,

Speaker 1 we can reignite this. We have proof that Ryan Day and Lou Holtz have spoke since there it is right there.
Boom, boom.

Speaker 9 That is live in Columbus, Ohio, Ohio post the Lou Holtz Notre Dame Ryan Day situation so I don't know if Coach Day just forgot about this in a moment or he's so jacked up that's clearly Lou Holtz and Ryan Day talking right there I mean he still hates my guts that's fine because I guess what I can find a little hate in my heart too no way that's not your thing well yeah no I'd put this to rest I'm a God-fearing man obviously I wouldn't do something like that but hey you're gonna bump your gums you know to an 88 year old man who's got a fucking bum leg who's gonna have to sit through a long flight to get down to atlanta and his legs probably gonna swell up a little bit and hurt a little bit when he gets to the game if you want to do that

Speaker 9 no coach host don't need any of that ever because coach hoes isn't a fucking baboon he showers you know he does that kind of stuff he doesn't need that gimmick spray um but no you know listen if ryan day wants to reignite this whole thing we can reignite it okay because i i coach host always got a matchbook on him Always got a matchbook.

Speaker 1 What's that? A matchbook? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Just in case I got a little little Bible verse in it, you know, just whichever one I'm feeling that day.

Speaker 9 I got a whole bunch of match books from different restaurants and hotels I've been to around the United States. Kind of one of my things.
I just like, you know, I'll grab a matchbook, you know.

Speaker 1 Why not?

Speaker 9 Why not?

Speaker 1 Thanks, Coach. All right.

Speaker 1 Coach, you didn't motivate Tone to make that throw.

Speaker 1 You actually gave him the worst advice I think I've ever heard. I don't know if that's good news for the Notre Dame fighting Irish.

Speaker 9 Well, there's something to be said about, you know, being a leader, you know, yourself.

Speaker 9 You know, sometimes you're going to get advice from somebody and you've got to say, is that the best advice I need right now? Or should I maybe consider doing something else?

Speaker 9 What do I have within me that's going to allow me to complete this task or challenge? Not everybody knows every single time.

Speaker 9 Sometimes someone's going to try to throw you off your game, feed you a little bullshit, and you got to know, hey.

Speaker 9 I don't need to throw this football as hard as I fucking can off the backboard. Maybe I put a little arc on this thing and try to pack it in like I've been doing every other time.

Speaker 9 But I appreciate the Toad. Toad's a loyal soldier.

Speaker 1 He's a loyal soldier now.

Speaker 9 He will. He will.
Listen to what you say, and he will follow commands.

Speaker 1 I will question nothing. What's your next

Speaker 1 sage advice there for Toan as he attempts to win 30 people $500, Coach?

Speaker 9 Well, I was going to say, if Bill's still out there, I would want Toad to just rifle that thing right at Bill because I think that picture of Bill taking the picture as the football is coming into the lens of his camera, I think that'd be pretty neat.

Speaker 9 Now, it might break his camera, which, you know, we don't love, but Tony, feel it, okay?

Speaker 9 Play like a fucking champion today. How about that?

Speaker 1 What does that mean, Coach?

Speaker 9 It means enough of this boy's me wishy-washing. Oh, my arm hurts.
I can't do this. I'm not any good at this.
I'd rather putt. Nonsense, son.
Put it in the fucking hoop, please.

Speaker 1 Play like a champion. Win 30 people.

Speaker 1 Pretty damn close.

Speaker 9 Hey, listen, some guys just don't got it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 Some guys, you do everything you can to get them to that point. Some guys just don't got it.
And that's okay. That's okay.
That is okay. Because we're still all children of God at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 God bless you, Coach.

Speaker 9 God bless you.

Speaker 1 God bless you. May the Lord be with you.

Speaker 9 And also with you.

Speaker 1 Amen.

Speaker 9 I bet.

Speaker 1 All right. Be a friend, tell a friend something nice.
It might change her life. Like,

Speaker 1 don't ever forget it, H.

Speaker 1 Don't ever forget it.

Speaker 10 I need to grab some next time I'm there. We'll send you some.

Speaker 10 Thank you. I use it.
I love that stuff.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 10 Smells good, man.

Speaker 10 Sandalwood. No,

Speaker 1 I don't think that's

Speaker 1 cedar. Oh, cedar.

Speaker 10 Cedar and sandalwood.

Speaker 1 No. Shakespeare.
Coffee at hand. In cedar.
They do go ahead. What about vitamin E, though? We got vitamin E right.
Yeah, with vitamin E.

Speaker 10 I can smell that. Yeah, I can smell the vitamin E.

Speaker 1 And it's aluminium-free. Ain't no

Speaker 1 BS. Important.

Speaker 1 Man, that smells so much better than the shit that somebody smells like that you work with.

Speaker 1 Put the cap on, buy this thing. Gift this thing.

Speaker 1 It's like the hey, you want some gum? You ever do that one?

Speaker 1 All the time. If anybody's anybody's saying that to you, that means one thing and one thing alone.
You need to know.

Speaker 1 Your mouth is fucking obnoxious right now. Everybody hates the way your mouth smells.
Anybody wanting this? Gum.

Speaker 1 Ain't that move right there? That's a fucking shit. Figure it out.

Speaker 1 Same thing with this one. Gets dropped on the doorstep.
You see me like this?

Speaker 1 That means you fucking stank, dude. Figure it out.
Here to help, though.

Speaker 1 You got a friend, you know, dove.

Speaker 1 The whole body DO.

Speaker 1 Don't fret. You're not the only one that smells like shit.

Speaker 4 A lot of people smell like shit.

Speaker 1 But you're going to be the one that no longer smells like shit.

Speaker 1 And that's growth. Hell yeah.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 So much in this stuff. Oh, yeah.
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 I was going to try a

Speaker 1 bottle thing. No.

Speaker 1 Pretty good spray, too. You know, whenever it's

Speaker 1 strong.

Speaker 10 Good stream, yeah.

Speaker 1 It is a good stream. Powerful stream.

Speaker 2 Prostate's good on it.

Speaker 1 Pissed in a public restroom last night, no show.

Speaker 1 Always got to bring the powerful stream in those ones. Yeah, yeah.
People are documenting, thinking, listening, hearing.

Speaker 3 What's that, Deba?

Speaker 3 I didn't know that was a thing.

Speaker 1 Need to think about that. That's somebody's story they're telling.
Pissed next to McAfee last night.

Speaker 10 Yeah, what did he say?

Speaker 10 Dribbling out, dribbling out like an old man. Like, what if someone did that?

Speaker 1 Don't need that one being said about me, okay?

Speaker 1 Always try to get a nice spawn in a ball.

Speaker 1 Boy, the thing I ain't gonna hit. Now we're heading to the side.
And we're heading to the side. Heading to the side of the toilet.
All right, let's get out of here. It was a good day today.
Good day.

Speaker 1 Ton, I'm happy.

Speaker 1 That one felt really good coming out. I was going to do that one for you.
But you know what? That would have embarrassed me.

Speaker 3 I would have been.

Speaker 1 I was going to do it for you.

Speaker 1 It was an ode to you. It was an ode to you.

Speaker 1 I would have, bro.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Geez, these are looking good. Yeah, I just think the top's on.
I think so, too. Yeah.

Speaker 10 That's it.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Cook it off. Take it off.
What a shot. I felt pretty good.
See, the issue was I was throwing an American football. Yeah, it's an international show.

Speaker 1 We'll We'll continue to be one tomorrow. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to do this for a living.
You guys are the greatest people on earth.

Speaker 1 Be a friend, tell a friend something nice that might change their life. Like our friends at Dude Wipes and Dove

Speaker 1 and Ram Trucks and DoorDash and Pizza Hut. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Got a lot of good people around here. Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. Including you guys.
Thank you all so much. All right, let's have a good one tomorrow.
We'll see you then.

Speaker 1 Team on me. We're in this thing together.
Team on me. Team on three.
one, two, three.

Speaker 1 Goodbye.

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