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Is this your Madsen imitation?

Big Pig 2.

I'm doing a Brad Perry.

Oh, Brad Different.

F1.

F1.

We're just talking like Brad Different.

Yeah, I am on Brad Different on the Big Picture.

Van Lathan, Higher Learning.

Yeah.

Rando Borsch.

Cube.

We're going to do an incredible movie that came out 30 years ago that I saw in the theater.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I don't know why it wasn't a bigger thing.

Maybe it is.

Maybe it is a thing.

We're going to find out.

Species is next.

We now have a new sequence of DNA with instructions on how to combine it with ours.

They don't know how to find her.

You created a monster.

Now you want us to hunt it down and kill her.

They don't know how to kill her.

We decided to make it female so that it would be more controllable.

More control, huh?

I guess you guys don't get out much.

They only know if they fail.

We gotta get to her before she gives birth.

It's the end of us all.

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All right, so Michael Madsen died.

Now you're doing half a year, Bardem from F1.

Okay.

What are we doing, Sonny?

Uh, Michael Madsen passed away, and we had to do a Michael Madsen movie.

And you thought it was gonna be Donnie Brasco.

I asked, yes, and I was like, no, yep, it's gonna be species.

This is fucking awesome in species.

Listeners know that's how things work.

And you were excited.

Yeah, I was excited.

Yeah, you were like,

no, species.

Well, species was weirdly on the summer list anyway because I just bought it on 4K Blu-ray.

Spectacular.

Where's the reflection at now?

That's how it's pretty.

Well, Amazon just had this great deal.

Tell me about it.

Sam Prestang just second-round picks off Amazon.

This is my favorite Matt's performance other than True Romance.

I have it number two.

I just love that.

Over Reservoir.

He has no part in this movie.

It's like, ah, he's a hired government, but he's just all charisma and cool.

And it's like, yeah, of course he's going to fuck Mark Heldenberger.

It's going to happen.

Yeah.

He never,

I can't remember him ever trying this again, trying to be the smooth, centerly guy.

He's one of those guys that comes in and just injects cool into a movie, but he's always so careful.

But in this one, he's got to do his thing a little bit.

And he's almost playing a straight man, which he didn't really do as much.

It's like Alec Balderman part.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, he said that of like all, he made a lot of movies.

He made a lot of movies for a lot of paychecks, but he was like, I liked species because I got to play a good guy.

Yeah.

And the movie like stands up.

It kind of holds up.

And he's great and he is this like like kind of humphrey bogart figure right in the middle of this team and he just has like that ineffable cool that is just you saw it in dogs you see it in true romance and you see it here that's what it is he's playing he's playing a good guy he's playing a cool good guy like a no shit straight shooter yeah that kind of like Every time they're himming and hawing about something, he goes, no, this is the truth.

And that's kind of awesome.

But like with a little bit of a wink and a sense of humor, he's, he's tall, he's big, like a lot of these Hollywood guys, probably like 6'1, 6'2.

His 90s, you know, he's ripping off Thumb and Louise.

He's memorable in that.

Plays a porn star in the Doors.

I don't know how you feel about The Doors.

Love it.

The Getaway, Wyatt Earp.

Reservoir was like his most famous one.

And it really goes through Species and then Donny Brasco in 97.

And then his IMDb just becomes paycheck after paycheck, including Species 2, which he hated.

Yeah.

But he has this like seven, eight-year run here.

Not sure why he wasn't a bigger deal.

I'm sure he had some off-the-set issues that probably weren't helping him.

But I think the thing that stands out for me with him is he feels like a 1940s or 50s actor.

Absolutely.

Time machined.

Like he should be with trying to like fuck Ava Gardner in like 1949.

Well, you know, we talked about this before, but like up unto a certain point when you're watching Hollywood movies, maybe even through the 80s and 90s you would watch these guys and there are definitely like a group of them where you would be like i could see this dude doing something else but acting besides acting right like harrison ford was like a carpenter or whatever you know it was like you could see guys and be like i bet this dude had another job before he became sam elliott or ed harris right and then when you see madson he's kind of like that you can be like oh i could see this guy being like bartending in a pool hall

before he became an actor.

Now he worked at Steppenwolf.

He came up through the theater it's that might not be the reality but he has like lived experience that he transmits through his performances which i think is like the best thing like an every guy type of deal also in the 90s for him a lot of his roles to me intersected with roles that travolto was getting

crucially yeah like you know obviously he comes

he is in reservoir dogs and travolta is vincent vega those characters were related or whatever but when you think about it you could see him as chili palmer Yeah, you could see him in a lot of those roles.

He'd have been good in face-off, would have been good in face-off, stuff like that.

So there was kind of somebody on his corner a little bit.

The move in retrospect, after like 97, he should have just done like a CSI type show.

He just

banked TV for his tenure.

There were moments with Marge Hulkenberger where you're like, oh, like he could have had the William Peterson run here.

You know what I mean?

Or he just could have had a show with her.

That's what I mean.

He could have.

They had such good chemistry.

I'm like, I just would have watched.

He's on CSI with Peterson.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She was dialing it up in this.

A little sexy turn.

Listen, she's we'll get, we'll get to that.

This was a she played a hooker with a heart of gold in China Beach, right?

A show only CR and I watched.

I fucking love China Beach.

Oh, the Michael McDonald ending

finale, one of the great Michael McDonald's most.

China Beach had the sickest opening credits.

Was this China Beach?

We're doing it like it's Vietnam.

It's Dana Delaney, and she's a nurse at like a hospital or doctor at a hospital.

Vietnam War.

Yeah, good-looking women in China Beach.

Dana Delaney, Marge.

Yeah, but it ended.

They all went, it moved into the future like 20 plus years later.

And they all went to the wall to see the names and see the people that some of them have died.

And Michael McDonald's, You Could Let Go Now, started playing.

And it's like one of the most emotional moments in the 80s.

Like, hands down.

Not online, by the way.

I've looked for it over and over again.

I'm like, when is this going to be online?

Never, apparently.

The China Beach is not on stream.

I mean, one of my favorite things about you is on streaming recount some emotional moment from an 80s TV show.

And it's like, is Bill going to cry right now?

You were touched by that.

I really was.

I was by my we were visiting my parents in Nantucket because they'd rented this house and they were out shopping, and China Beach was on.

And for some reason, I was just watching it.

And all of a sudden, the mic that they came home, and I'm like, hey, guys, it's like, what else?

What's going on?

What are you thinking about, Bill?

P-O-W said,

this Vietnam War is really rough, man.

No, but that show, I think there was too much music in it.

Oh, like, yeah, because it was like all my music for a while.

Same reason why I can't get all of my favorite MTV stuff anymore.

No more real worlds, no more like MTB, MTV.

All the Fox shows, like all the Nanatuno Melrose shows, yeah.

That was why Homicide took a long time to get to streaming, I think, is because of the music.

Well, the cast in this, before we get to introducing dot dot dot,

the cast in this because the producer wanted to, in species, they wanted to spend their $35 million budget, spend basically all of it on the alien and the effects.

So they go kind of mid-market on the stars.

They're like, we don't need Trabolta.

We'll get Madsen.

They're just basically doing the same Presti.

And they end up with two Oscar winners.

They get Ben Kingsley who had already won, and then Forrest Whitaker, who hadn't won yet.

They get Madsen.

They get Marg.

Marge or Marg?

I never, you know what?

I honestly have never said it out loud.

I think it's Marge.

I'm going to say, let's go with Marge, and we apologize if we're.

And then our guy, Alfred Molina, who's two years later throwing firecrackers at Dirk Digler and Reid Rothschild.

But they just kind of patch it together.

And it's a, it just, I saw this in the theater and I was like, inject this in my veins.

Yeah.

So I know we're waiting.

Go ahead.

These are all appetizers.

It's such a sneaky, devastatingly good cast.

The movie is casted so seriously with all of these serious actors.

Yeah.

But I did not go to see the movie in theaters because of that.

I went to see the movie in theaters because there was all these things.

Because you care about SETI and life on intelligence on Earth.

Yeah, clean energy, which is like what happens if alien intelligence goes bad.

Of course, I cared about the philosophical ramifications.

No, you cared about minute 16.

We went all together as like we went to see it because she was naked in it.

That was the reason that I'm just being for real.

Should we do like a fake Ken Burns documentary about people going to see species in the theater?

Family got soloed.

Might have been the only alone person in the theater.

Fam went with the community and Bill went alone, but we all went.

We all went to watch Natasha.

We were all there for one reason.

Yeah, listen, Craig, did you know what this movie was?

No.

Yeah.

So basically the synopsis is, what if I told you they made an alien movie, but the alien was a hot, horny blonde who wanted to find a mate?

Yeah.

I just think people are going to be like, I'm going to give this one a chance.

There's a certain demo in the streaming universe that are like, I'm going to give this a whirl.

And by the way, it's on a lot of different streamers.

This is easy to find.

Can I just read, but nobody knew who Natasha Hendrich was.

She was

introducing Natasha Henstridge.

Yeah.

And this was like,

we need to cast somebody who's really good looking.

And they succeeded.

Yes.

Before we get to Natasha, I just want to say that one of my favorite sub-genres of the 90s is,

I think it's like, I'll call it scientist fiction.

So it's a little bit sci-fi, a little bit adventure-y, but Congo, Outbreak, Sneakers, Sphere,

Species, Mimic.

Criton in and up.

Yeah, get a little Crichton in your life.

And just like always has these really good ensembles.

And that has like a little bit of like, what would happen if there was a great big epidemic?

Or what would happen if, you know, we found something in the bottom of the ocean that might be a portal to another universe?

All this stuff.

And it's, they just made, they executed it on such a high level.

Do you put like Event Horizon in there?

A little bit closer to space horror, but

I think I think intention, but the intention was to make it like that, right?

I completely believe the premise of this.

Okay, completely on our own.

That's fucking hilarious, bro.

Like, the premise of this movie is so fucking wacky.

Like, when K when Kingsley lays it out, I'm like, yeah, they sent out some signals.

They kind of tricked us.

Yeah.

Right.

And they wanted us to take their code and

merge it with a human.

And we fell for it.

I was like, yeah, maybe.

I could see some people in Trump's cabinet falling for that one right now.

Let's be honest.

It's like, hey,

Prez, good news.

The aliens have reached out.

They just want to merge our DNA.

Is that cool?

Yeah.

I can see Hexeth definitely getting caught with this email.

Whoa, are you serious?

She wants to do what?

Merge you?

She would get to hex.

Yeah.

He likes to party.

Well, they decided to make

the alien attractive.

Natasha was a Canadian model

who had never acted before.

And then I got to say, I bought season tickets.

I thought there was going to be a big career ahead.

Didn't quite happen.

This ended up basically becoming the

whole down yard.

She was

not in a way.

She flirted with TV a little bit.

Not in the way I felt like it was going to happen for her.

She's just perfect in this.

Or you think Sharon Stone or something?

I don't know.

She was definitely felt like a movie star.

Yeah.

Right?

It's like she had a presence.

She had a charisma.

And there's this whole alternate version of this movie that we'll talk about where it's like her just kind of moving around LA could have gone on for

two days.

That could have been like kung fu.

Yeah.

Just walk the earth.

Or it could have just been a TV show.

It's always

compelling to me when alien from another planet or whatever being is dropped into a major metropolis and has to like figure their way out like like get a hotel room buy buy clothes figure out money figure out uh directions talk to people understand

tv all of that stuff but it is always much more appealing when that alien is dropped dead gorgeous right yeah because you're looking like oh my god are people not paying attention to her how is she gonna blend in and all of that she wants to go to the parties did she did you waive the five-year waiting period for the white girl hall of fame and just induct her immediately?

How did that work?

She's a founding member of Canada.

She's going back until 2000 for five years.

It's funny.

When I queued the movie up to watch it, I was like, I wonder how, because, you know, you see her in the whole nine yards.

She is uncommonly, devastatingly beautiful.

Like, but in a very white way.

Sometimes people are, sometimes they...

A tall, white Canadian way?

Yeah, sometimes I don't like them like that.

I like them a little, you know, with my white girl Hall of Fame.

You know, I put Alexis Texas in my shit.

So like, I,

so,

so, but like, she is like devastatingly gorgeous in like a really timeless way, which you will.

She's Nordic.

She's Nordic, right?

Feels Nordic.

Which normally is not my thing, but when I look, when I cute the movie back up, I'm like, whoa, she's still.

Yeah, like she, if, if just like

some prince had just, married her three years later and she just became like the queen of Scotland, it would have made sense.

Or if like, or or like if Quizzy Johnson got to her or Pete Sampress, yeah, it's just like, oh, there's Pete Sampress is Woody Wibbleton.

There's his girlfriend, Natasha Henchard.

Exactly.

She's just in the box cheering him on next to Lady Die.

Um,

yeah, I don't, I don't know why more stuff didn't happen with her.

Maybe she wasn't a very good actor.

Her acting didn't really matter in this movie.

The other thing that's kind of cool about her in this movie is if whether you're alone in the theater or with the crew, like it confronts you with some images that you may not consider erotic on first pass, but then find yourself kind of being like, Am I kind of into this?

Am I kind of into this naked lady popping out of an alien cocoon?

Yeah, naked, covered in

like train jelly.

Yeah, the part where you know the guys, these are the search terms that we don't have anymore.

You know what I mean?

You know, she's going to kill the guy, and she looks at him and she goes, I want a baby.

And you're like, I would give you one.

Okay.

uh it is uh it's quite a performance

on the flip side i think we have to i created a new award i'm just gonna do now the ben kingsley and species award for it doesn't seem like you really want to be here no

we've seen this before i don't know how we've done almost 400 movies and this hasn't been a category yet but I think he just regretted being in this from the get-go and never really broke out of it.

He didn't love his time on the set.

Was not surprised to find that out in the research.

And I think he was probably in that zone of middle-aged English actor who was like kind of in the Michael Cain zone.

You know, where you're like,

I can do this in my sleep.

I've won an Oscar before, but I guess now here's where my career is.

One single tier as I execute the young Syl.

But like other than that.

I just tell me I have to run down this hallway.

He's on autopilot.

He's also an interesting guy.

Like he's made some movies.

What's that guy that's known as the worst director of all time?

Ewie Bowles.

Oh, yeah.

He was in one of his movies, and apparently Blood Rain.

Something like that.

Yeah, the way it worked out was that, like, Ben Kingsley was near where they were shooting or something.

And somebody got in touch with him.

They found it out some kind of way.

It was like, yo, we'll give you $75,000 to come over here and act for one day.

Then they put him on the cover of the DVD.

So Ben, he'll take a check to go and add some.

And then every five years or so, he would do like...

He would just be in Sexy Beast, and you'd be like, oh, you're the best actor in the world.

Right.

He just, he does his thing.

Sean does that with Blu-ray

extras.

He's the Ben Kingsley of Blu-ray extra.

If you cut the check, Sean will show up.

What do we do?

Camp on me, Love director's commentary.

Awesome, great movie, man.

So, Madsen, I love that movie.

You like that?

Madsen?

Appreciate it.

Have we done Camp By Me Love, Craig?

Yes, yeah.

Yeah, I thought we did.

Might have been during that COVID year.

But we did Camp Buy Love.

We're on the phone for October.

We gotta save some stuff.

Yeah.

Still save the stuff.

I guess we're gonna work together forever because, like, I'm not leaving you until you do scar.

You gotta hold some stuff over you.

Mattson has lines in this movie: like,

I'm Preston Lennox.

And if I'm here, the shit has definitely hit the fan.

It's good.

Solid.

I also like when.

I'm a freelance solution to our government's problems.

Yeah.

Always fun when somebody has that job.

I feel like that would have been your job if you could have written yourself.

I feel like part of the act will have those jobs now.

That's one of the problems.

The rogue.

Yeah, too many guys are just like, yeah, I work for the government.

Tom is about to copulate with a creature from outer space.

Like, these are bad lines, and he's ripping them off.

And unbelieving.

Yeah, he can just put like a little bit of hot sauce on anything where he's just like, when they're like, we made her female so that she would be more docile.

And he was like, you guys don't get out much.

On the mats, and right.

When he passed away,

it was

evident to me when I thought about it.

Is It's like, he was just a cool actor that I knew that if he was in a movie, some cool shit was going to happen.

Yeah.

Like him and the getaway, him and Reservoir Dogs and all of that.

And

who are the cool actors now?

Who are like the cool guys?

He's like, cool.

Like, just cool.

I'm not talking about dudes that you know.

Yeah.

Who could open a movie or do whatever?

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about just like, this guy is cool.

You know, the movie's going to have a little something to it.

He's going to bring a little something to it.

Some sauce.

Some sauce.

Like,

are all those guys gone?

And have they not?

I feel like Bernthal was like this for a while, but then he kind of

graduated there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think Bernthal was this guy.

Bernthal had that authenticity.

I think Holtrack has that a little bit.

A little bit, but was about to go pro with the faith off.

He's about to go pro a little bit.

He had it.

I thought Holt, our guy.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

But it's, yes, definitely cool.

Definitely has that like authentic feel.

Goggins a little bit.

Goggins is one.

That's a real 31.

Yeah.

Goggins is definitely one.

Part of it is, I don't know if they're making the movies anymore.

Yeah, I was thinking there has to be some sort of checklist where the guy,

could you have pulled off being one of the bad guys in a fast and furious movie?

Could you

Can you be the asshole in a heist movie?

Can you play

Could you be De Niro N Kilmer's third guy in heat?

There's these things you kind of have to be able to do.

Or like different versions of being cool.

Yeah.

Could you be Wingro?

Right.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

So like those guys, those movies that were made, those kind of scuzzy street-level films.

Actually, you know who's kind of one of those dudes now?

In a weird way?

Gerard Butler almost has become that.

But he might be a little too

leading man.

Pablo's might be like that.

Pablo Schreiber.

Sure.

Just like, I'd love to see him get more work in those kinds of movies.

So, maybe part of it is like, would Tarantino in the mid-90s have been dying to put you in one of his movies?

Right.

I definitely think some of the guys we just mentioned would have been.

I mean, Goggins was in a Tarantino movie once, you know, I mean, at a certain point.

Can we do Madsen versus Seismar?

Because I feel like

you have to be on one team or the other.

Are you a Madsen guy or a Seismore guy?

I think filmography-wise, it's Size More.

No, what does CR want?

What is the most exciting?

Like, who's your guy?

If you're casting a movie and you could do the

fantasy team and you're doing like a heist movie or whatever, who's your, are you calling

Size More?

I think I'm a Size Moore guy, too, but it's close.

So, I'll tell you why I'm going to take Madsen.

Okay.

I think Madsen can do everything that Sizemore can do,

but there are a couple of things that I think Sizemore can't do

that Madsen could do.

Yeah, the slightly, there's something charming.

You might feel like he can a little bit more

like leading man.

It can be oriented around me a little bit more.

I can get the girl, like you said, type shit.

Madsen has a little bit more of that.

Madsen, also, there's a bunch of parts in the 90s.

I think he could have played that.

I don't know if I would have bought Seismore in.

Like, Madsen could have been the Michael Douglas basic instinct part.

I totally could have seen him a shooter.

Imagine Madsen acting in Roxy.

Interesting.

Because I wouldn't see Seismore in that role.

You know what I mean?

The only thing about shooter is shooter, shooter had to be somebody that

looked clean cut, but had a dark side.

That's Madsen.

When you see Madsen, to me, you see the dark side a little bit.

Yeah.

Right.

Well, you, but you're bringing your off-screen baggage to that.

Maybe so you know the stories.

I saw him like five years ago in Malbau eating breakfast, and he was there.

He was dressed in a leather jacket.

It was like 80 degrees outside, eating with one of his kids.

And

I took a picture of his back and sent it to CR.

I don't know if you remember the CR.

I do.

Yeah.

It's like, Madsen,

having breakfast.

I love the idea of you out there papping people.

He's like one of the only times I've ever done it.

I was like, I got to get this shot of Madden.

Did you talk to him?

No, I chickened out.

I should have.

I never liked talking to celebrities.

He's really good as far as late period him goes.

Like, he's really good in Hateful Eight.

He's awesome in Kill Bill Part 2.

Yeah, he's fantastic.

He still had it, but like, obviously, hello, like, off-screen stuff, and

yeah, but there's like that.

There's the turning point in his career, is essentially he's supposed to do pulp, right?

And doesn't

um, to be in something to be in Donnie Brasco, committed to something, he was in Dotty Brasco, but that was later, it was some other,

was it?

Yeah, there was some reason he's not in it,

but like you wonder whether or not if he's in pulp fiction, does he get four of those Trabota movies?

Yeah, yeah, unless, I mean, you know, sometimes a role aligns with an action.

Sure.

I mean, that was like reviving Trollta for

the Ben Kingsley and Species Award.

It doesn't really seem like you wanted to be in this movie.

I'd love,

we've got to think about this.

Like, who's the all-time version of that in a movie that we like?

We don't have to do this now, but the next movie.

Roy Scheider and Jaws 2.

That was a good one, too.

$35 million budget.

Man, $113.3 million.

Big hit.

Yeah.

Species.

Roger Ebert,

Two stars.

I would have thought he would have enjoyed the nudity.

Yeah.

Mainstream Hollywood is so terrified of intelligent human characters that it's no wonder they don't want aliens who are even smarter than the humans.

Just goes on and on, talking about what were they trying to do.

He's told us that whole story when she asks, who am I?

What am I?

And then Raj writes, but the movie never tells her.

Settle down, Raj.

All-time.

Have some fun, brother.

We're going to take a break and go through the categories and a lot of fun stuff.

Come on, bro.

Take it a break.

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All right, most re-watchable scene.

Michelle Williams, young Michelle Williams escaping in the glass hole.

They're trying to gas her out.

Yeah.

She won't have it.

Gets out of there.

I like how this movie starts.

You're like in immediately.

It's good.

Yeah, this gives you no chance to just,

here's the focal point, up against it gonna eat everything alien escape crack some necks we're out of here yeah there's no like four minute people walking in a long hallway being like we have to do it today it's a if you're gonna make a b movie just make it a b movie and start the movie you know you know i don't need a preamble i don't need like a flashback i don't need five years ago scientists telling you title cards

steady bang michelle williams in a cage let's go right do we do the uh

are we sure this guy was good at her What's that a word?

Who's that?

That's my flex.

Oh, all right.

I'll save it for you, CR.

Uh, next rewatchable.

Was it really?

Yeah, sort of, yeah.

I can probably come up with another flex.

I can come up with another one too.

Next rewatchable, Fitch has his crew and he lays out what happened with the alien.

Good exposition.

Yeah.

Two minutes, you just get it.

We decided to make it female so it would be more docile and controllable.

And Press goes, more docile and controllable, eh?

You guys don't get out much.

We decided to make it female so that it would be more docile and and controllable.

More docile and controllable, huh?

Well, I guess you guys don't get out much.

That's just

a good thing.

Do you ever wish you were invited to a random meeting where it's just like, I'm a biologist, I'm an anthropologist.

I'm a killer.

And Bill's like, I'm a podcaster.

It's just like, great, you're going to meet.

We're getting more in the video.

Yeah.

Yeah, the team was an anthropologist, a molecular biologist, a black ops mercenary, and an empath.

And I don't know at what point do you want to talk about whatever force what occurs doing in this movie?

We can do it later.

We'll save it.

Yeah.

Okay.

So he, so Madsen says, I think this is a search and destroy operation.

It's like, yeah, we get it.

Search and destroy operation, just so we know.

They send one person who knows how to fight and three lands.

Three eggheads.

Yes.

We're going to give out the area.

Including an empath who gets freaked out if somebody's ordering coffee.

He's like, ah, that's the cat.

That's the cat.

No, he would be like,

someone wanted coffee here.

She's afraid.

Yeah.

It's honestly like that SMO sketch with Christopher Walk and Trivial Psychic.

You're going to have an ice cream.

You're going to get an ice cream headache.

Fitch almost lets Marge and Madsen die in the lab.

In the burn room, yeah.

A lot of questions about this one.

Yeah, they couldn't have just opened the door quick, let them out.

And then Madsen's not mad at all, but it's a really fun scene.

all right here we go

i'll just read what i wrote down natasha goes to the club kills a bitch at the id takes her shirt off goes to a hollywood hills house

um and kills somebody by french kissing them through the back of the head

through the fucking and then that guy looks like nick wright

he does he looks exactly like nick right and i mean

This movie would have been amazing if that dude was like Jim Rome.

Right.

And he was just like driving her home and was just like yeah what do you know about luke robotine

he's talking about mj i still feel like there's a guy who's gonna come that's gonna be greater than him i still feel like there's some holes and she's like i want your funny he does look like nick right he does and he's got a nice crib he's probably he probably is yeah that arrow's nick right snapping his fingers turning the lights on she gives a she she first she the girl that she ends up killing in the bathroom Nothing better than a good club murder in the bathroom where they find the body like two minutes later

And she really went the hard way She went like into

the service entrance and through the fucking tile wall.

Yeah, she was I feel like that woman died for nothing Well, you know what?

She was she was seen as a threat as a throw.

Yeah, she's dead because she came all spare in loving in love, right?

Right or something like that.

And then she's Syl is very literal.

Right.

So Natasha learns from her, I've got a party to go to, nobody to take me good line nobody's ever said that to me um the guy who picks up natasha at the club

live in the dream yeah robbie great bmw convertible like really good year like mid those mid 90s convertibles were elite crazy view automated snap he's got like surround sound pretty early for the surround sound of like i'm just gonna put on some shade yeah and play some music for you right um entitled though and uh well, yeah, it was problematic.

Well, he was waiting for him, and then all of a sudden he got a little date rape.

Yeah.

Yeah, he did.

He tried to imprison her.

He tried it with the wrong one.

Come here.

I said I want to go.

Too late, babe.

You're not leaving.

I said you're not leaving.

All right.

That's better.

I really wanted more from Nick Wright.

She's like, I just think MJ was better than LeBron.

I was like, you're staying here.

You want to watch Sean Kemp highlight?

I did think in living in Boston in the mid-90s that like half the people in LA were like this guy.

Yeah.

Where they just like went to clubs.

and then lived in a house like this brought somebody

just brought people home like just overwhelmed them with like all of the stuff that they had and then boom closed the deal so do you think she kills him because he's date rapey or because he's diabetic

both i think it was a combo

he also threatened her because that's what i'm saying yeah it's like i want to leave she should she should have killed him when he said i've got to take a shower would you like

just like that's well i think he tried he tried to cash the like maybe she'll shower with me check And when she didn't go for that, he was like, well, I'm already committed to this shower, so I got to take it.

I do have some alien questions, though.

Like, she'd never seen a shower before.

Like, there's a lot of moments where she should have been like, What's a shower?

Yeah, why are you standing in that room with water pouring out?

I had three commercials and was like,

Saw people spending money.

I understand money.

Her and Borat were the fastest things ever assimilated with American.

She saw one porn scene at a L'Oreal scene.

She's like, I'm good.

Yeah,

I totally understand how all this works.

I gotta say, tough beat for diabetes.

Like, that's enough.

Oh, yeah.

I know.

Like, it was kind of like a drive-by on the diabetes.

I would love if her alien son had like an insulin device on it.

The sewers

eating rats.

Yeah.

Next one is the

Palisades guy.

Our guy Whip Public.

I also really love just Syl at the beach and the skateboarder guy who's like, woo-hoo!

And almost gets hit by the car.

I have a spot for that.

Okay.

I have thoughts.

Okay.

The most Palisades guy ever picks her up.

He just, he's like, isn't it great out here?

You can, so quiet.

She's got this nice, he's got some wine ready, and he's just like ready to

ready to take it slow.

And she's like,

but this is the, this is the

five seconds.

Because this guy's a nice guy.

He's a really nice guy.

He wants to take a picture with her.

What a sip.

He's taking a picture with her first date, got the polar kind of weird, weird.

And then, also, he goes from like, I've checked you into and out of the hospital, and here's a charcuterie plate, like immediately.

Yeah, he paid for her to get out of the hospital, took her, was nice to her.

What did he get for it?

Killed nothing.

Justice.

From a peaceful guy in the Palisades, should have got married a nice girl.

Yeah.

Was going to pay for his

injuries at the hospital, put it on my credit card.

Right.

Although, I can't blame him.

Was there a bigger swing for a human being in 30 seconds than that guy's night?

He's like, this is going great.

Yeah, let's get in the hot tub.

Right, let's get in the hot tub.

We're good.

Hit the fucking lottery.

I can't believe this all.

And then half 30 seconds later, he's being killed.

Yeah.

He stopped going with the flow, though.

Yeah, he started resisting it.

Yeah.

He started pushing against the current.

And then that's when you got to die.

Poor bastard.

The car chase bodies switch explosion, whatever's going on there.

Very fun to watch.

I'll do a nitpick here, though.

Nobody,

none of this dream team, suspicious at all that the alien with superior intelligence might have rigged any part of this.

No, they're like, let's go back to the hotel and get plowed.

Yeah, right.

Me and she see some Long Island STs.

Yeah.

And then

the last one I have is everyone gets horny.

Dueling sex scenes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Marge was

really seemed like she was enjoying the scenes.

She gets the

I don't want to step on half-ass internet's research, but apparently that scene was basically improvised by Helgenberger and MDT.

That was in my research as well.

The blowjob?

Yeah.

They were like, but that's honestly, you know what I mean?

Like, it's like, oh, shit's getting real here on Species, you know?

Yeah.

These are two consenting adults.

Stand up.

Stand up.

She even had it as a category later.

Did this movie need a better at the Stephen Seagal Award for did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator?

Marge and Michael were like, keep that intimacy coordinator over there.

Waving them off, Alan Iverson stuff.

Clear it out.

Like, we got this.

Do you know that Sagal movie?

That's where we have that category where he's just going at it with this.

He's like a cop, but he's just going at it with this lady who I think it's his wife who just ends up getting murdered.

Wait a minute.

Which one?

Something about Kelly LeBrock?

It's the first one.

Yeah.

No, no, it's not the Kelly LeBrock one.

It's the second one Kyle and I did.

What was Alpha Justice?

No, no, we just did that one above the law, above the law, oh, yeah, above the law is no, and she gets gunned down.

Sagal is like, they're like, it's like uncomfortable.

I don't know if I've done, I don't think we've done Mark for Death.

Yeah, um, anyway, what do you have for most rewatchable CR?

Uh, I think dueling sex scenes at the end, yeah, yeah, that's clearly the answer because

Hinstridge is going forward in that sex scene.

Like, Melina was never the same, he's throwing Firecracker a year later.

She is going forward in that sex scene.

I really have to focus watching this movie.

I'm sorry.

I apologize, guys.

Apologize to the listeners.

I love the Hollywood Hills.

That whole scene is great.

That's my favorite part.

Oh, really?

The hot tub, the Robbie.

Robbie.

I just love that whole section.

It's just great.

Bill, you see yourself as Robbie, huh?

Yeah.

You're like another life.

You're like,

it happened.

She moves away.

What's the most 1995 thing about this movie?

I mean, Michelle Williams as

young Natasha Andrew Chester.

She's

disavowed this film.

Yeah, I know.

I understand that.

But she's like, hasn't disavowed Dawson's Creek?

Yeah.

I would have loved to have been on the junket for Manchester by the Sea and just asked her.

And she'd be like, great work, but in species.

Did you have to eat all those chocolate puddings or were those sludge puddings?

Why'd you kill the trade conductor?

Yeah.

1995.

She has that little portable Sony TV that only existed for like three years.

That has to be the answer.

Did you ever have one of those?

Of course I did.

You're kidding?

You had that portable TV?

Yeah.

You still have a vision.

You're making fun of him for it.

Can you believe we had them around to the Vision Pro?

No,

they weighed 15 pounds.

You could get, yeah, they were like walkie-talkies and they had these tiny screens, but you could get, it was great for sports.

Like you could get the local whatever.

I have a 1995 thing but like do you think the f1 is going to be cool with the vision pro

it would be awesome because it'll be specifically done for apps you think they're doing it that way yeah but the vision pro has come back though because it was stupid but now it's come back because the nba app has caught up to the technology and the nb app has caught up to the vision pro and now watching a game on your vision pro is amazing are you gonna be able to see lebron sullenly standing in the corner as luca dribbles for 20 seconds

probably so i have a quartz quarter of five.

I'll just be over here.

End of the movie horrible special effects I had as well for 95.

I just had the paper credit card authorization machine.

Oh, that's a good one.

So I have both of those, the analog thing.

I haven't seen one of those in years.

Damn, you know what else is so 95 about this movie?

Everybody is so thin.

Melina, thin, Alfred Melina, thin.

Everybody,

they all look so fucking young when i because these actors go on to be people that you see in right all kinds of movies

oh my god would say the best speaking of melina

just that idea imdb stretch for him where it's species and uh boogie nights within each other just impressed um

i have uh i have a bunch of stuff you you go see our couple number one is just uh

Just a quick shot of Madsen watching hockey.

I was trying to figure out what game that was.

I think it was the TB USA game.

I tried to figure out.

Yeah, it wasn't an NHL game.

I couldn't.

But just like him being two beers deep watching hockey when he gets the call that

still is at the club.

He's like, oh, time to catch the whole third period.

I want to talk about Forrest Whitaker and being an empath.

Dan walking into the train car, seeing a dead woman in the husk of an alien uterus and saying, Something bad happened here.

Something bad happened here.

No fucking shit.

I laughed.

Like, something bad happened here.

What are you talking about?

The crew would be like, and

like,

I didn't know whether to put him in what stage the best or what stage the worst.

It's kind of both, but this time around, I was like, this is amazing.

Where does this guy work?

Is there any certification for his gifts?

Yeah.

Half of it is just like, it's hot in here.

Right.

Yeah.

Like somebody was hot or somebody was hot in here.

They're like in a restaurant.

He's like, she was hungry.

Yeah, he does like like the she was scared.

It's like she probably was scared.

She's an alien.

There's moments where he's like touching the, like, the cement, the ground, like the dirt to see which direction she went in.

I'm like, what does that have to do with being an MP?

It's like Sunny Hayes touching their track.

His powers are completely inconsistent in the movie.

Does he have the power to know somebody's feelings?

He knew somebody who was at the door before they knocked.

It's crazy.

But he might just have crazy hearing.

Well,

I don't know.

At first, I just thought it was ESP when I first saw the movie.

Crazy hearing.

Like, he's a mutant of some sort well because he because he heard the guy at the door maybe he's just like he's kind of like an overdeveloped yeah and then he starts after a while throughout the movie he starts taking her side really he doesn't start taking her he's on her side the whole time right she's a living being she's scared but she doesn't kill him yeah that's right

it's an inexplicable character and i think a huge part of why i like this movie because it's i just can't believe this was the best they could do.

They put the least thought into, first of all, what's an empath?

Have you ever met one?

Now it's like people are like, I'm very empathic.

Everyone is an empath now.

It just means you're like sensitive.

As a job, Bill, no.

No, as a personality,

character is like now for like ladies who have don't worry, you're not.

Right.

No, you are the opposite of an empath.

Like, okay, you're the opposite.

But for ladies that have like, for ladies that have like waist beads and want to know your birth chart and stuff like that.

Is this a job or

a social media like hobby?

No, it's not a job.

It's like that when you're feeling bad, I feel bad.

I'm an empath.

I mirror your feelings and all of that stuff like that.

Yeah, it's a thing.

So you're basically a golden retriever.

Golden retrievers mirror their humans if humans are sad, happy.

How did the CIA know about him?

They went on empath.com.

Yeah, seriously.

They were on the 1995 version of Indeed.

Just like

they're tracking him?

Like, why?

So Kalika says to you, you hey

Denise is coming over tonight and you're like the empath exactly yeah right yeah she's still doing that yeah yeah no it's going well or she's had some empath sessions or you're in a la conversation at a party somebody has a couple of bumps of coke and they go

the thing about me is i'm a fucking empath

and i can't handle all of this negativity from everyone if we're talking about dan though i did i was gonna bring this up later but

is Tony Romo kind of an empath

with predicting the plays.

Yeah.

You know, like, because he's like a little, I guess it's a little bit more predictive rather than reactive.

It would be like if Romo was like, I knew they were going to blitz Jim.

Like, you know, like after the blitz.

But there was something like, I was trying to imagine what Dan would be like as an announcer, as a sports announcer.

Well, or flip at Tony Romo in the empath role in this movie, like, Jim's hungry, Jim.

She got threatened.

She just wants to procreate Jim.

Natural imperative, horny.

Forrest Whitaker, though,

for a very long stretch of his career, was just an expert at playing weird, off-kilter characters.

Yes.

Like fucking Ghost Dog This or Raging Harlem, which is a great fucking movie.

And he just playing weird,

a bigger guy, but could play Mousy real well, soft-spoken real well.

Yeah, Mora would say you're best because I have a couple.

Laura and Preston's sex sex scene.

Good one.

Yeah, they felt frisky.

Oh, that was a that sex scene was actually

hotter than anything that Natasha was into.

Yeah.

Cause she was taking charge.

I mean,

I don't want to.

I like the little fist pump by herself in the hotel room that Madsen showed up.

Yeah.

She's playing her little game.

It actually worked.

I could have

I could have watched Natasha shopping in downtown LA for a couple more scenes.

In the bridal dirt, like the white outfit, yeah.

Like, imagine her in downtown L.A.

right now, just popping through different stores.

Also, like, she should have bought a couple weird things.

Yeah, well, I mean, those headphones, Bluetooth headphones, yeah, that she bought, yeah, that would be funny.

Or if she just had like a walkman and was walking around listening.

I like when aliens, foreigners, and grown-up kids and adult bodies watch hotel room TVs.

I think it's worked over and over again.

Borat, big, this movie.

It's a good gimmick of people.

I'm scared.

I'll take comfort in this TV.

I'm experiencing

culture from this.

Yeah, I like that.

You see, like, sex, violence, all of that in one thing.

How about a science fiction science fiction slash horror movie where the black character survives?

That's suitable.

It's like, this is almost a unicorn.

It is, but at the same time.

He's dead the first hour.

At the same time, they had to stay consistent because that nice sister on the train gets her shit up

so so they had to they had to feed him once like she gets up yeah she did nothing but be nice tough death

um

infected rats always a good it was a good gimmick good ending for this yeah

probably would have been a better sequel i don't remember the sequel i only saw it once uh not in the theater i don't think i saw species

really really poorly reviewed like like the kind of reviews were like just if you're gonna go see this like, just drive your car, no telephone pulls.

Because what lives, it's just like the little arm still is still moving around, and then the rat.

Yeah.

Um,

I think we've done this before with, and I forget what movie it was, but sometimes a movie that's not that big will have this incredibly detailed Wikipedia page.

It's so long, and it's clear somebody involved with the movie is on there

wrote a lot of the stuff.

So, I do have a suspect, screenwriter Dennis Feldman.

there's just a lot of his process in the wikipedia page like a lot when i say a lot like paragraph after paragraph or like then in the sixth draft there's more screenwriter dennis feldman decided to do that it's like how do they know any of this there's more in this wikipedia page than there would be in like the luca donchic trade wikipedia page or like the actual james cameron alien movie like or aliens too like that like i i just couldn't believe how detailed it was and i just was picturing i don't know if he did it or not but this dennis feldman like like, I'm gonna add one more thing to the computer.

I gotta tell them about the seventh draft of this movie when I had the idea for this.

Actually, suspiciously, like, it's really they were like, it went through many rewrites, but everything you see is courtesy of Dennis Feldman, right?

Right.

Uh, there's one part where they brought in, yeah, where they brought in a second screenwriter and they just specifically say, but none of that was used

in the end.

They went with Dennis Feldman's work.

It was like, who cares?

What pretty people are saying?

Yeah.

Also, for What's Age the Best, this is in the director's commentary.

CR alluded to this before.

Madsen said Ben Kingsley was protective of his chair and set and didn't like anyone touching it.

So Madsen would purposely do things to it, including dumping garbage on it and hanging it from a crane.

It's really funny.

Ben Kingsley is just like, how many more fucking days do I have on this movie?

Two?

Damn it.

any other i would say it's the best other than when the government has to go outside the box i like uh a hunt or chase movie when you get a rag tag group of people to solve a problem hey i'm a microbiologist i'm an empath i'm this oh each one of these persons expert in their field and it's the only team that could crack the case i love that i love that I still feel like when he said he was an empath, I would have had like five more questions.

Yeah, but be like, so but like, is that like a

new answer thing?

but i mean just here can you work for our sports team i have to say something real quick before we move on what's here dennis feldman is one of my favorite

in the world the movies that dennis feldman has done what's here

just one of the guys all-time van lathan classic it's on it's it's on the rewatchable schedule the golden child oh

wow that was a formative classic for me dennis feldman wrote it This movie, which I never know how many people have seen this movie.

Have you guys seen a movie called real men with john water and jim balushi where that is one of my favorite i have a very cool real men story

when i was a kid i went to film camp in uh in in maine it was pretty fun and one of the things that we did was when we learned editing they had this famous editor uh ralph rosenbaum uh who did like antie hall and a bunch of other stuff but he showed us real men he showed us the version of real men before he like went back in and cut it.

And it was like so bad.

But then when he was like, and here's what I did, you were like, oh my God, the editor is the most important person on the set, like, or the most

important person in the productions.

It was very cool.

Can we go back to Film Camp?

Yeah.

I would love to.

What was going on?

Any girls?

No,

it was a largely male thing.

I wound up starring in and directing a short called The Dirty Bag, which is about a kid on a BMX bike who finds like a bag of drug money and then gets chased by hitmen across this town in Maine.

We got footage of this?

Yeah, I still have it.

So we put it on Ringer Movie.

Yo, that's a pretty good premise, bro.

It's tough because

a lot of it is scored to Jimi Hendrix, but we did not clear that.

And Zeppelin.

Jim is the state that it's on.

I'm telling you.

Yeah, Brock Heimer's like writing $100 million checks to Led Zeppelin.

I'm like, I got that.

86, 87, you get Christian Slater, you put him on the BMX.

He was like a gleaming cube.

It was very inspired by Rad and Gleam in the Cube.

Wow.

This now sounds like an A24 coming of age story of CR at Film Camp 30 years ago.

It was awesome.

There was no girl, like there was no want to be actress.

I did not have a romantic situation.

Maybe there are different experiences that could be had in CR's film camp.

Not going to judge.

You have any What's Age the Best fan, or can we move on?

Oh, that's just

the hunt-type chase movie.

Yes, Age great big hoon or burger award for best use of food or drink all the shit that little kid ate in the train great scene banana with the peel still on puddings yeah the banana with the peel on is great at the long island iced teas that's a good one

yeah great shot gordo most cinematic shot just needs to say this movie was shot by Andre Bartoviak, who did a bunch of Sydney Lumet stuff.

He like shot like Prince of the City.

He shot Speed.

And it was just like that moment where like some of the greatest cinematographers would be like, Yeah, I guess I'm shooting species, right?

So, I think I don't have a shot, but it looks pretty good.

I was gonna say, the her coming out of the cocoon and the train, yeah, that's a good one because they had to invert the train to make it work so she could fall the way they did.

I think they also did a really good job

making the Biltmore look awesome, yeah, downtown, which I've never actually been.

We forgot to say this was directed by Roger Donaldson, who did some good fun ones over the years, including No Way Out.

Oh,

yeah, how many Donaldson?

Craig loved No Way Out.

Yeah, that movie rips.

Yeah.

That's a very craig-coated movie, though.

Did he do Air Force One?

Because I'm secretly Russian spy.

I think he did.

Could be.

Craig didn't think Sean Young was hot in that movie though.

Craig, you're off your fucking rock.

Not hot, not good in it.

Yeah.

No, so no Sean Young, not beautiful.

You know, Sean Young, I knew about Sean Young from Ace Ventura.

Pet Detective.

Oh, that colored your...

That changed it.

Finkel Ironhorn.

Your guy, Roger Donaldson, also did the getaway.

We've done sneak.

He also did Cocktail.

He did.

that's why he's one of the great directors and i think we we might do 13 days at some point oh i like that possible and the recruit with your guy yeah look with colin cool movies yeah just like cool movies cadillac man which people liked did the bounty

as far as shots though what about the defining shot of this movie which i feel like was the tongue coming through the back of the guy's head

cinematic maybe not so but like very affecting in selling your film and getting people probably the most memorable shot right it won best kiss at the 1996 MTV Movie Awards.

And they recreated the kiss, which is not the head thing.

Kid County President Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop.

I couldn't.

The 90s

in id, they are listening to the crystal method, which is a very 90s.

Yeah, I think they could have dialed that up.

That could have gone really early on.

EDM.

Yeah, like early, early Moby, somebody like that.

We could have been like, oh.

Oh, shit.

Yeah.

Tricky somebody's going to be able to do it.

It's got to be on the alien.

They weren't about to go give Moby any cash chess rockwell brock landers or our best character name uh xavier fitch is ben kingsley's name that sounds like

preston lennox is a crazy second round draft pick for the cleveland cavaliers they took xavier fitch it's a combo guard preston lennox is good though um so we're adding the ed norton reverse dunk award for did this movie need a random sports scene i i have mine i have mine as well go what's yours why when sill is uh sleeping at the beach why can't she stop by the venice courts and do a little white man can't jump Guess what I mean?

Just hustle some dudes.

It's glaring.

I mean, there's so many missed opportunities in this movie that I just wish there had been a conciliary for, but she wakes up.

There should definitely be a basketball game going on.

She should be watching it.

One of the players should hit on her.

And that's just like a quick kill.

That could have taken like probably would have been beach volleyball, let's be honest.

Maybe.

But can you imagine her blocking a shot and destroying the ball?

Like, or something?

She's being like, oh,

or her wandering on a beach volleyball court naked.

They're all out there playing.

But the movie, the movie is missing the Lakers.

The Lakers should have been in there because it's a very LA movie.

95 Lakers is one.

She goes to a Laker game?

Like, she goes to a Laker game for a little bit.

Probably a Clipper game is more realistic.

Because she can get in for like $3 and a bunch.

She studies the cheerleaders and then just ends up replacing like.

So this would have been

Early McDice on the Clippers.

Brent Berry.

She could have been like Brent Berry.

She could have met at the club, maybe.

Boy, if Brent Berry would have played Standy Roberts.

Sierra, what do you have for a flex category?

I have the George Ellerby two weeks with PayA.

Vannay

can cook on this one, but Xavier Finch

seems like he has a lot of responsibility with very little oversight and just takes too many chances.

Bing Kingsley is horrible in all aspects.

First of all, like, if you've got the entire military at your disposal, there's a lot more effective ways to kill an alien than gassing it i guess that was supposed to be humane i don't know but like it just seemed like she she checkmates that and they're like fuck i guess we lost her right like there's no stop safeguards against her getting out by the way you can't we can't tell the trains would shut down yeah you're aware

you're aware of her biology you have not come up with a satisfactory way to kill her you have not come up with a satisfactory way to fuck her well you fucked it up so much that you have to kill her right then you uh when the alien shows up in the form of an adorable girl, you use the most bond villain method possible to kill her.

And then when that fucks up, you hire a bunch of nerds instead of getting like SEAL Team Six to go after her.

Right.

You would get the Delta Force.

You would get the Delta Force, put them in plain clothes, right?

Those guys look like average guys.

They're special forces operators.

And then you'd go out there and fire.

And how many people know that they're chasing an alien?

Because aren't more people like, why are we hunting this girl?

Like she's

like the supervillain.

Because he said, he says in the beginning, like, I don't want everybody to find out that there's extra, extraterrestrial life.

So he could kill these four random people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's missing a scene where he tells his boss.

Right.

Well, that's what he tells his boss.

So what's plan B?

It's like, well, I got this

empath I've been looking at.

At the end of the day,

the microbiologist has the fucking vest on with the rifle.

Yeah.

She had to Erica Lineag it from from Under Siege, and they they ended up becoming a strike team that's a good rewatchables category the erica erica liniac under siege award for how do you know how to work like

terrible color gall adjacent awards can we have in one movie he's a hero yeah um

butch's girlfriend award week link of the film is the uh the last 12 minutes oh i had uh the girl that um she kidnaps Terrible.

That's just like, it actually doesn't matter that she's in the car that much.

Yeah.

They napalm that whole thing anyway, so I don't really know if they're like excavating it and it's just like 10 extra minutes.

Toughest death in the movie for you.

Hmm.

That girl getting tortured and her finger cut off and then driving to her.

Oh, that's right.

They get the DNA from that, but that's still stupid.

What was the worst way to die in this movie?

Oh, the worst way to die for me was Alfred Molina because he had a high and then a low, and he was experiencing counter.

Great way to go out.

I'd rather be Molina than the girl on the toilet.

Maybe, but Molina, there's always...

you, have you ever guys ever been in a situation where things are going really good and then they start going really bad?

That one moment of realizing that you fucked up because this stuff never happens to you must be so profound.

So I felt really bad for him because he did nothing wrong.

Yeah.

She comes up to him.

He goes, this kind of thing doesn't happen to me.

And he's not like the other guys.

Well, he shouldn't have mansplained about how conception works.

You know, that'll teach him.

I think he probably could have sniffed it out a little sooner.

Yes.

That something was up.

Sniffed it out, sniffed what out.

Just smoking hot who just has like this obviously badly dyed hair.

Who looks just like the woman they've been chasing?

He's chasing for the alien who immediately wants to mate with him.

So you're saying it's his fault.

Yeah, I think he was asking for it a little bit.

There you go.

I have the last 12 minutes.

Once we get in the sewer,

once Natasha's not Natasha anymore, this movie becomes a pretty conventional B movie.

What's age the worst?

Species 2.

Madsen said, it's lousy.

I only did it for the paycheck.

You could feel it.

We talked about Forrest Whitaker.

We talked about Hollywood Hills guy.

I got one more thing.

I have one more, but you go.

The Long Island Iced Tea.

Nobody drinks those anymore.

No, because I think people like black out after that.

Yeah, I think they got a bad rap.

They got a bad rap.

Also, I remember they had their have a ton of calories, right?

They're very calorie dense.

And then you have two of them.

You're fucked.

Like, no crackers to me.

Long island iced teas.

Still at the clubs.

Yeah, they're still around, to be honest.

I don't drink them a lot because they're too potent, but yeah, people still getting them.

I got to say also, the Long Island Ace-T thing is, are we supposed to believe Dan doesn't drink because he's Muslim?

Oh, maybe.

It's kind of fucked up.

He's got that.

And Melina's just like, nah, nah, nah.

We're going to slip you some alcohol, even though your religious beliefs prohibit you from drinking.

Melina's asking for it.

Yeah.

I have,

for what stage the worst, all the missed opportunities for Natasha to find a mate in Hollywood that they just left on the table.

Cause she really only goes back to the same club once.

Like, easily could have gone to the Viper room,

easily could have gone to the bar and swing to a place in Swingers where the old people, Marty and Elaine, play.

Like, we could have

gone to Canter.

Sylv.

I would have bought out some Hollywood landmarks.

She goes to Cantor.

She just wants some corners.

Look at that beautiful baby they just walked in.

I'm going to talk to that beautiful baby and all of a sudden get somebody.

But it's like if Fabro from Swingers calls Sylv five times, is she just like, yes, hi?

Hello.

Do you have a baby?

um i thought there was some santa monica that whole area they just left on the table there was some outdoor pool bar scene they could have had i don't know why they kept going back to the club kingsley's like this is what she knows like how does he know yeah she's a fucking mutated alien he's he he has experience

i it's it's a it's a great question um

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Partridge over acting word.

Is it Forrest Whitaker?

It has to be, but this is actually an underacted movie.

I would say it's Forrest Whitaker for the entire film, but Kingsley for the single tier.

Yeah.

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We might have to drop it

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The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.

Hottest take a word.

Do you guys have one?

Would this movie have been more interesting if the alien was like a six?

Not an Uggo, but like

just like at the club, and guys are like, Yeah, yeah.

Well, I guess it's harder for her to find a man.

Yeah.

Right.

And it becomes almost like a rom-com where she's just like, God, none of these guys want to go home with me.

Like an LA six.

It would have fit in that rom-com era where there was something wrong with every woman who just wanted to find love.

In her case, it's like, I don't know, guys.

It's not like Debbie Downer kind of, but like, it's just like, can you imagine if she was like five, five?

People are like, yeah, sure.

No, No, LA is crazy.

It's, you know, it's hard to get to know anyone.

She's waiting in line to the club for an hour and a half.

She's like, will you give me a baby?

And everybody's like, no.

Nice to meet you.

That killed me.

What do you have, Ben?

Anything?

It's going to be really on the nose.

The movie should have had more fucking.

Yeah, this should have been either a hard R or an NC 17.

Yeah, Dad, it should have.

That's a great call.

The movie should have had more fucking, like, there should have been more fucking in the movie.

Because, like, they, a lot of the stuff that they had in there was stuff that we didn't need to see.

Like, as soon as she becomes a grown-up woman on the train, she'll pull somebody in the room, fuck them on the train.

Yeah, I don't know what her

biological imperative is.

Like, is it like, I need to mate immediately?

Should have been that.

Well, her,

the imperative is, I need to take over the human race with my half babies.

Yeah, right.

My hottest take,

it's going to step on a later category.

Are you scared?

No, I'm just don't.

I just think there should have been a TV show.

And I think you can make the case that if this is an HBO show in 1995, it becomes the first great cable one-hour show that we have.

Do you want to sustain the level of nudity?

that Henstridge is.

You almost have to think about it like true blood.

Like it's just like, this is a horny, crazy.

Yeah.

And it's like, almost like crossed with 24.

Oddball campy.

It's one week.

They can't find her.

She's just in LA doing all this different shit.

And it's like when she meets the Hollywood Hills guy, that's almost like half of an episode.

It's like, you know what I mean?

X-Files comes out two years before this, but you could talk me into Madsen and Helgenberger being like.

Mulder and Scully.

And they're

kind of chasing.

But in the meantime, there's other mysteries for them to solve.

There's different types of mutants mutants because this government agency is doing all kinds of crazy stuff.

But also, like, still must have kids by then.

So it's like, I just think this is a rare case of there's so much in this movie, and they just rip through it in an hour and a half.

And it's like, there's like nine things that would have worked for a TV show.

Dennis Feldman is listening, going, I know!

In his Wikipedia, adding to it.

No, but it's, it's like, I just think in 95, this would have been like a transformative show.

It wasn't a one hour like this.

Like, Sopranos was until 99.

Yeah.

You know, Oz was 97.

so you'd be like basically species and oz would have been on hbo would add nudity which fit the hbo thing do you think there was a audience for it on hbo at that time 100 000 they were so they were in there at the very least this would have been like a cool cinema show oh cinemax would have been cinema doing it the only one hbo and showtime were the only two doing that would have done a drama like this i think maybe the alien stuff would have been too expensive but you could have made it so we didn't really see the aliens yeah maybe once a year you see you didn't yeah maybe the season finale yeah i just think it would have ripped and they could have like madson you could have killed her off after the first season and then madson and marge become like attacked him i don't know a lot of stuff there um

casting what ifs pierce prosnom was offered a part but couldn't do it because he um

had golden eye but then ended up working with roger donaldson on dante's peak so what part do we think there goes kingsley you think so yeah you think kingsley found out and was like fuck this

mailing and everything now.

I'll give you the single tear, and that's it, you motherfuckers.

Who knows if this is true, but Arnold Schwarzenegger was briefly interested in the script, but the budget wouldn't allow him.

I'd assume that would be Press apart Linux, yeah.

Would have been a totally different movie if this was involved.

He's like, What if uh what if what if press fucks the alien before it kills that?

What if they wanted Schwarzenegger for the empath?

somebody didn't somebody did not stand top fitness here

best that guy award it's not whip it's whip yeah he won before on saint elmos fire

hollywood from top that guy yeah yeah those are his best three great great imdb

dion waiters award michelle

sure she's good you know what i get i get hollywood hills date rape guys a pretty good villain there in five minutes did a co-co-winner all the dead guys guys.

Besides Melina, all the dead guys, all the victims.

They all have to have their little Dion Waders moment and then get killed.

I like the Michelle Williams.

That's so recasting Couch Director City.

Ironically, Van brought him up before, but I had Vince Vaughn playing Hollywood Hills guy instead of Nick Wright.

He's like, look at this beautiful baby.

What are you doing?

Let me take you back to my crib.

Let's party.

And he's just like full Vince Fawn.

Yeah.

And then she kills him.

What if Eddie's like brings her back and he's like, let's just play NHL 95 all night?

Mike is headly.

My buddy Sue is here.

Nick Wright.

Nick Wright, you're going to end up having to do a podcast with Nick Wright.

You're going to get mad.

What is he going to get mad about?

He looks like it.

First of all, it was CR.

CR's going to have to invite him on the watch.

Nick, we got to squash it.

Yeah.

Oh, Craig has a flex category.

They're honestly both tweaks of things that Chris and Van have already said.

So

one was the, did this movie need a better sex scene?

I agree with Van.

I thought it was a huge misopportunity to not get Madsen and her in a room.

I thought that's what the whole movie was leading up to.

That's like, there's a flash.

She has like fantasies of him.

Yeah.

I wonder if she's like that what?

I feel like a proud dad.

Craig, man, when I first started doing this shit, Craig was like, it's too many titties in the 80s.

And look at him now.

Bona fide freak.

Tell us about the scene, Craig.

Look, this movie's about this.

You know what I mean?

There's not an unnecessary nudity in the movie.

It's what the movie is about.

But I'm like, there should have been like a love triangle where he's in the room with Syl with the brown hair.

And then Dr.

Baker comes in and is like, who's this?

And there should have been something with that.

It all led up to that moment.

Or

he has sex with Marge.

They fall asleep.

Marge goes to like go to the bathroom or something and Syl comes in.

He thinks it's Marge.

They did the single white female.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Works.

Do you do you think that like because she senses the weakness in Robbie and then the dude in the pot tub is like, oh no, no, it's too fast.

But she's having visions of Madsen.

Is Madsen kind of like the alpha?

Like he's like the best, the best of the people of the universe, the bro.

And she had to settle for Melina because she was in a hurry.

Gotcha.

Yeah, because she had to get old.

Yeah.

Because she, like, the next day, she's what, 48?

She's going fast.

One of my unanswerable questions is: like, what's Syl's, what's her aging like?

Like, does she just turn into Betty White in a week or what?

Substance too.

Um, half-fast internet research.

Half-fast internet research.

So was the design by H.R.

Geiger?

Yep.

Who designed the creatures in the alien films?

Yes.

Did you know there was an aliens too?

Ah, it's good joke.

I missed it.

yeah okay um

it's not chris wants to do aliens that's it that's the whole joke and bill doesn't want to do it no it's a big it's good we're gonna do it he's gonna wait for me to go on vacation trying to uh

so geiger was unhappy he thought the movie ripped off too many other alien movies including he did the alien the chestbuster they did that like they did species does things that have been in other movies and apparently he got holier in the now about it but he worked on it he did but he got he got mad about they gave him like all the money it's like they they're like we're not not even paying Madison so that you do these aliens.

So then he threw his body in front of whatever the ending initially was, and they ended up doing the headshot kill instead because that hadn't been in an alien movie.

My advice would have been like a mild settle down for him.

Yeah.

These are alien movies.

The id club was built in the Pantages Theater.

Oh, no shit.

Very special.

How about that?

There's not really.

We talked about a a bunch of it.

Yeah, we hit basically everything except Alfred Molina recalled Natasha Hentridge was

nervous on the day of their sex scene because she'd never acted one before.

And he said, I've never been in one either, but he ate with a woman because he had apparently been in one with a man in a movie and it broke the ice.

Oh, yeah.

He's very excited about that.

I think I've called her Hentridge for the past hour.

Just call her Natasha.

She should have dumped the last name.

I think she could have done it.

Oh, like Madonna Starr, introducing Natasha.

Apex Mountain, clearly Natasha, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

Madsen?

I would say probably Reservoir Dogs.

Well.

But Reservoir Dogs

wasn't a big thing in the movies.

It became a thing.

By 95, after people had been watching.

There's just no possible way that this is his Apex Mountains.

This movie made over $100 million.

Maybe, honestly, and he's leading.

I think it was.

I think you're right.

I think by 95, Reservoir Dogs had been like on VHS, had become a thing.

I didn't see Reservoir Dogs for at least a year.

I know.

There's just no way.

This was a big movie, Dan.

I get it.

There's just,

if you, if you were to say to somebody, Michael Madsen, they'd name like five movies before they named this movie.

This is that range, though.

Right.

Like he passed up pulp fiction.

Like, he probably has the most juice right around.

You mean at this time?

I can maybe buy that.

Marge at CSI.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Definitely.

He's killing it.

Ben Kingsley, no.

Horny alien movies.

I don't know what the competition is.

And I also don't know why we're not making more of them.

It should.

It should be every five years.

Alien movies is shocking.

Fuck.

Yeah.

We really lost that as a society.

We have.

Bring it back.

Whitaker, no.

Mid-90s BMW convertibles.

This is a really good one.

There's some, there's a side swipe thing on it near the end.

It's like they cut a scene where she must have had an accident on the way to the beach.

She and then she wakes up and she's like, she's got her cars all up.

What is homie driving in speed?

What is it, homie?

I think it was a BMW convertible.

That was a BMW convertible.

And then what's the one that's

on the Frank Ocean cover?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's nostalgia.

Is that a BMW?

I'm not sure.

I have to think about it.

I don't have any of their Apex mounds.

Cruise or Hanks, what do you got?

It was tough.

This is really hard.

It's hard to get it.

You can go any age range of Cruise or Hanks.

I was told I couldn't do that last week.

No, you can.

Okay.

I would probably

give.

You tried to cheat last week.

No, I tried to give him one of the lesser roles.

Literally, one of the guys she picks up is Cocktail Cruise.

Or Magnolia Cruise.

Yeah.

Oh, Magnolia.

Oh.

He's Hollywood Hills guy.

The long hair.

Yeah.

That's good.

I was going to say Cruz now in the Ben Kingsley role.

Interesting.

Doing a couple like old man Tom Cruise things.

But he'd probably want to get it.

It's Cruz, not Hanks.

I don't see Hanks being able to keep a straight face in this movie.

I got Cruz as the Michael Mattson guy.

Get some running.

You got to run after the A.

He does get him running.

He's very dynamic.

You can get more things of maybe a couple of great stunts.

Natasha's probably like two inches taller than him.

That'd be a problem.

She's probably two inches taller, but at that point, she's also, if Cruise is in the movie, she's going to have to be between 20 and 25 years old anyway.

Scoursey or Spielberg?

Spielberg.

Spielberg.

I had Scorsese.

Interesting.

I wanted his gritty sex alien movie

with steeped in Catholic guilt.

What's the most sci-fi he's ever done?

Like Shutter Island?

Uh, yeah, I think you're right.

Instead of an empath, it's a Catholic priest.

Last Temptation of Christ.

Yeah.

Sci-fi.

Philip C.

Morhoffen role.

Probably the Molina part.

Yeah, that or

the guy who, the Palisades guy, with People's part.

But the Molina part is pretty perfect for him.

Hey, let's take a picture of Moke.

Palisades guy.

He had a Polaroid camera.

He had a charcuterie board.

Nice quiet neighborhood.

Nice guy.

Not a guy credit list.

Also, just got promoted.

Hey, this is fast for me.

Hey, he just wants to wind and dine a little bit.

And what does he get?

Do you think that's the Dennis Feldman avatar?

You think Dennis saw himself as the Palisades guy?

You should put that in the Wikipedia.

I had that.

Uh, I'll just do this now for picking nits.

Um, anyone in 1995 turning down sex or being like, This is too fast,

especially that guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're like, You want, really?

We ready?

What's the purpose of having a mansion in the Palisades with a pool if sex and a hot tub?

And it's not screwed up though, because she said everything's kind of going fine.

And then she makes it, she's like, I want a baby, and he's like, ah,

I think someone's at the door.

Don't go.

Please, I want a baby.

What?

Excuse me?

I feel like that's reasonable.

It was almost like she hadn't had social interaction for 24 hours.

I'm going.

Okay.

I'm going.

All right.

It's full send.

Yeah.

Oh, we rarely get to do this category.

How would Van Lathan get out of this one?

Yeah, he wouldn't.

So

single van brings Syl back to the crib and she's moving really fast and you realize she might be an alien.

How do you get out of it?

Okay.

So I realize that she might be an alien.

Or you realize something is way off and

you need to abort the night.

How do you get her out of the house?

Oh, how do I get her out of the house?

How do you get out of the house?

How do you not?

Well, that's never going to happen.

I'm going to do something different.

Okay.

That's how you get out of it.

Right.

So I realize that she's an alien.

I say, Look,

you don't have to kill me after we have sex because we're going to have sex.

Yeah.

I'm going to take a sexy.

I'm going to give you what you want.

Right.

You don't have to pray in Mantis this.

We're in the same dope.

You don't have to pray in Mantis this.

What's better than one alien baby?

Five.

And I'll be be there for the housework.

And I'll be there.

You pump these things back.

We'll start again.

Pump that baby out.

Ready right now.

Right.

Let's be honest.

You want to start a whole new world?

This one hasn't been particularly good for my people.

I'm with you.

Like, let's go for it.

Me and you against the world, baby.

Yeah.

So team up.

Team up.

That's how you get out of it.

That's how I get out of it.

I like it.

Picking nets.

My favorite one in this whole movie, Madsen's character, this tough guy.

The first time we see him, he's handing a cat to his cat since awesome moment

i have a feeling that was a madson feel like you know what would throw people off is if i had a cat it's so stiff

like whatever man i just need the shot

how is it not like uh like a rottweiler or like some sort of cool michael madson dog he's probably on the road a lot dogs need a lot more you know help

ridiculous the train porter clothes

just

horrific murder people walk in it's like oh my god it stinks There's a cocoon on the wall.

There's blood everywhere.

And Natasha is wearing her clothes out, clean as a clean, and they fit.

Not a stand.

And they fit.

And they fit.

And I don't want to, you know, but the sister on the train and they didn't have the same body type.

They didn't have the same body type.

Yeah.

How did they follow her from the club to the Hollywood Hills house is never explained.

Well, because

the doorman is like, oh, yeah, Robbie.

Robbie took home a pretty good chick today.

Doorman just knows where Robbie lives.

Well, that's exactly right.

And they were like, you know, the usual because Dan is like, it would be a nice guy.

Right.

And they go, Robbie's a nice guy, which he turns out not to be.

No, he's not.

But I don't think that doorman knows Robbie's home address.

But maybe Robbie was like just low blood sugar.

Yeah.

Not to make excuses for his hate.

It's true.

Yeah, maybe he was right.

I get it.

I'm with them.

Could they really figure out semen in the hot tub water in 10 minutes, which is what happens in this movie?

I mean, if they could.

They just checked.

There's no semen in the hot tub.

It's like, you guys just got here.

Can we do that back?

What if they were like, we just checked this water?

It's all semen.

So this guy has been doing work up here at the Palisades.

This guy's throwing ropes.

Oh, my God.

It's all semen.

Any other nitpicks?

That is an incredibly nice motel manager.

for the Sahara.

I don't get the impression that that is like guys who are really interested in customer service or, you know, safety.

You forgot your card, lady.

Hey, you forgot your card.

And, you know, you could go dancing at it.

It's just like, and he's just really nice guy where it should be like, I'm going to human trafficker.

That is my nitpick.

People weren't horny enough for her.

Yeah.

She's in LA.

Like, no, there's not one scene where someone goes, Jesus Christ, you should be.

She keeps bumping into the nicest people.

Yeah, so people weren't horny enough for her.

And just everything else I've talked about, they put a microbiologist in combat later on in this movie.

Yeah.

Like, you know come on man i got one nit yeah after the hot tub murder she's still on the loose and ben kingsley's like let's go home get some sleep yeah he's like let's go home and crush teeth it's okay

mattson's like there's a hockey game on i gotta catch um sequel prequel prestige tv all blackcaster untouchable i've already made my prestige tv case I mean, they've made so many bad sequels of this.

Your prestige TV pitch was great.

Prestige would be great right now.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Consworth, Daniel Planbu, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley?

I'm still in the lab trying to figure out how to get Shaq involved with more movies, but I do think DB just being like, bonjour, Mademoiselle Henstridge,

we see you.

You came out of that cocoon naked as the day is long.

Oh, DB.

Yeah.

We have to remix some of these.

I definitely think Byron Mayo would have been an interesting addition to

the movie.

What's going on here, my friend?

Oh, Syl.

If you need the seed, just ask.

No reason.

Got that wedding dress on.

You're ready to roll.

I think first take Jay Williams needs to be brought into consideration here.

Bill, come on, man.

No, I'm just like.

Here's this hot alien who needs to mate.

Two days.

Can't mate with anybody.

Are we sure she she was good?

He's just sagging.

I can't wait for the summit where it's like Jay Williams, Nick Wright, DB.

Everybody.

And it's like, God damn, Bill.

Just want to ask her who gets it.

It's probably special effects.

Hi and Madison, just for the hell of it.

Yeah.

Probably unanswerable questions.

What's your FCR?

Do we think Sean Marks would have drafted the species if they were eligible?

I can't think I wrote that down really late at night.

He really likes some of her flexibility.

I don't know.

Are the overarching aliens that she comes from, are they pleased with her?

Is she doing a good job for them?

Well, they don't know what's going on.

Yeah, I mean, she was like basically cooked up.

She needs to report back.

I know, but like, so these aliens had enough technology and all of this to do this, but they're not watching what's going on.

I think the implication is that she's, not unlike Dan, an empath, and that she is reflecting the society that she's been thrown into, which is like a predatory, violent, you know, fucked-up place.

Yeah, but they had this master plan to infect us with their race, did they not?

They did.

Is there, are they watching?

I think they're just kind of hoping it plays out that way.

Interesting.

They were like, can't believe Kingsley is going to do this.

So he's not going to tell anyone, huh?

Okay.

The Derek Queen trade.

Yeah, that's an unprotected pick.

I have one unanswerable.

So if you were the conciliary for Natasha when she gets off the train,

where would you tell her to go?

It's time to mate your very attractive blonde lady.

I think the move would have been South Bay just walking up and down the strand, trying to maybe meet some beach volleyball.

Like she wants strong virile guys, right?

To continue to continue her little alien human USC frat party.

Hybrid over.

Yeah.

Because you want to find find like guys in their late teens no

I think you want like a party

20

zero guys

I'm saying like 19 to 25 well she's 21

she's 21

I think she's 21 I thought you meant for a second just like where would you go as a tourist um where would you go but there's a piece of that too like it's probably like when she's in Santa Monica it's like all right that's guys got like a nice winery in the Central Valley you know what I mean like a guy you would have told her to go to Los Alibos,

do some wine tasting?

I would have accepted any location with her.

Okay, so I just think anywhere she goes would have been hilarious.

I just now, every time I think of it, I'm like, this should have been a TV show.

Sill at Disney World would have been amazing.

That would have been amazing.

Yeah.

Sill going to a Laker game.

Sill's like, I want to, I want to go to Syl at the Lakers game is she's going to go to Eagle Rock.

Heard there's some really smart people up there.

Sill with Gretzky.

Yeah.

She's going to videotape.

Yeah.

she goes to the Lager game.

She's going to

find her mate.

She'll find some people.

And then

she finds Leo DiCaprio.

Yeah.

What piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie?

I couldn't come up with one.

I had

Forrest Whitaker's Koofi.

That's a good one.

Oh, look at you.

Reaching out.

Coach Finstock Award.

Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson.

Don't Underestimate Hot Horny Aliens.

Yeah, if a six-foot-blonde woman wants your baby at the club, it's probably too good to be true.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Women are not to be used.

Yeah, that's that's cool, man.

See, I can do both things.

I can do both.

Best double feature choice under the skin.

I had Mimic the

Amiris Sorgino movie that came out a couple years later.

It's basically about killer cockroaches and then more shit.

So I went obscure.

There's a movie called Amanda and the Alien.

You guys have probably never seen it.

It's with Nicole Eggert.

It's a very low-budget movie, but it's about this lady who

she meets an alien, and the alien is on Earth, like learning its body, having sex with different people and all of that.

Amanda and the alien.

I don't know this one.

1995

says it's a TV movie.

Made for cable.

I think it was for Cinemax or one of those joints because there's some scenes in there.

Oh, yeah.

Did you really say Under the Skin?

Yeah, it was just, that was like.

Under the skin, as in Carla Johansson,

but that's like a beautiful sex film, right?

Yeah, it was just

two.

John Glazer, yeah.

That was a fucking moment.

Yeah, that was a fucking moment.

That was a fucking moment.

I was thankful.

Very thankful.

Who won the movie?

Monkey?

Yeah, I guess.

Natasha.

Natasha.

I'm trying to fucking honor him because he just passed away.

That's why we're doing this.

Right.

Wow.

It's a great performance.

Yeah.

But yeah, she wins the movie.

Craig, what'd you think?

Well,

you know, Mount Rushmore of most 90s movie premises, I would say.

Just out of control 90s vibes.

Can't imagine the audition process for this film and what that was like.

Look, this movie's not good, but it's extremely enjoyable.

Kind of the perfect blend of that.

I respect the hell out of the attempt.

Had no problem with any of the nudity stuff that you guys always claim that I have an issue with.

That's what it's about.

That's what it's about.

It's just when it's randomly in an action film and a girl in a car gets in an accident and some extra is topless in a hotel room.

I'm like, all right, maybe that didn't need to be there.

For this, we could have used a little more.

But

yeah, you know, this was definitely a film where I was like, they grow up so fast.

They do.

Didn't exactly tell Liz the premise.

Oh, Liz, watch this with you?

No, no.

I was like, I think I'm going to sit this one out.

I'll watch this on my own.

I have a feeling where this one's

where this one's headed.

So that's like very passive thumbs up from Craig.

Yeah, it's like...

I think he enjoyed himself.

Very enjoyable, but like, is it a good movie?

Yeah.

This is what we did in the 90s.

We weren't trying to win win Oscars with movies we made sometimes.

We were trying to go see.

Just like, let's put some fun people in a movie.

Good premise.

Not all the time.

Sometimes you just got a cool idea, you make a movie,

and then boom, it's on the screen.

It's a reference to Donaldson Way.

Yeah, it's the Donaldson Way.

It's pre-internet.

It's pre-online porn.

People had to go to the theater to see stuff like this.

We did.

You would never do this now.

You wouldn't.

Not now.

Now it would have to be something more.

This is how you got people in the theater.

Now we have IMAX and Brad Pitt and F1 cars, and that's how you get people to go.

Back then, it was like Natasha Andrews, naked horny alien.

Chris, in the same vein of your like, what if this lady was just a six?

I think it'd be really funny if it was just a guy and he was kind of ugly and he couldn't get any girls.

So he had to just like get a job and have a wife.

Yeah.

John Lovis.

That's right.

He's like, well, I guess he loves it.

I guess I got to develop a personality now.

All right.

Craig Corbeck, Jack Sanders, Ronic, thank you.

Dan, CR, good to see you.

Good to see you, man.