‘It’s Complicated’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Mina Kimes

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Nancy Myers.

Let's do it.

We're going to play the trailer and we'll go.

Jane and Jake used to be married until he cheated with Agnes.

Now they're married, but he still has feelings for Jane.

I've never really known how to live without you.

You're not.

Turns out I'm a bit of a slush.

This is wrong.

I like that you stopped getting bikini waxes.

So wrong.

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You brought me a gift.

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All right, the goat, Nancy Myers.

Absolutely.

Love it.

You go first, then we'll go to Mina.

We've done Nancy Myers before on the pod, but come on.

We have, but I don't know whether I fully articulated my Nancy Myers auteur theory on that rewatchable.

So if we're going to call Michael Bay an auteur, if we're going to call,

you know,

any of the genre or like big budget filmmakers with specific style auteurs, then Nancy Meyer is a thousand percent it.

Like a recognizable visual style, scenes that she returns to with some of the greatest actors in the world,

made a ton of money and a huge influence, like certainly in movies.

And you can watch all the bad Netflix

rip-offs of her like all the time, but also,

you know, design, like Airbnb, lots of companies owe Nancy Meyers like a really big check and have been selling like the Nancy Meyers aesthetic for a very, very long time.

So I'm a huge fan.

And this is, if not the best of her movies, my favorite of her movies.

Really?

Maybe my favorite.

Starting off hot.

Yeah.

Ooh.

It's over something's gotta give.

Well, that's the best.

Yes, that is.

It's the best.

And that is where like the auto three like fully comes through because that movie makes over a hundred million dollars.

Uh, Diane Keaton, Jack Nicholson, and like, and Kiana Reeves.

Forgive me for not saying Kiana Reeves sooner, but

I don't know.

You know, I realized, Bill, also, when we're watching this and thinking about talking with you, this is a divorce movie and a divorce kids movie.

So maybe that's a little bit where I come in, where I have a soft spot.

I do as well.

Are you a COD or I am not a COD?

All right, so we'll take that part.

Yeah.

Your Nancy Meyer's thoughts, because you have not been on a Nancy Myers rewatchables yet.

Every single one of her movies is a re-watchable to me.

So I'll start off there.

I don't know how many of you guys have done.

You've done the holiday, I know.

Yes.

They're all re-watchable.

The only one we haven't done is something, something's got to get.

And the intern.

And then, and then also, if you're counting, if you count the ones that she wrote,

yeah, baby boom, yeah, we were talking about

irreconcilable differences, which is not available anywhere.

Bill and I did Father of the Bride, and we both cried.

We didn't do Parent Trap.

That's true.

Oh, Parent Trap, very important to Craig's generation and a classic.

B C O D movie.

Yes, right.

Yeah.

I agree with pretty much everything Amanda said.

I like how you defined her, why she is an Atori, because I feel like it's a genre movie.

All of her movies are genre movies, but elevated, right?

They're comfort food, both visually and the plot points and the characters and all that, but they're better than your usual rom-com fare because of the performances she gets out of her actors.

And then they defy conventions in a lot of ways.

So I love every single one of them.

And the actors who want to be in her movies.

Totally.

She gets a higher class of people.

Yeah, she gets the best Baldwin, probably the best movie performance he's done this century.

Absolutely.

He had some good ones in the 90s.

What I like about her, why I said the goat, is I just think she's a one-on-one.

Nobody's in this universe.

Like, she's going to die, and nobody's going to be like, oh, that's the new Nancy Myers.

And I don't know what it is, like the real estate, which we're going to talk about a lot.

But some sort of eye she has on how the movie should look.

And then the fact that she has like these complicated, well-thought-out, well-structured well-structured adults

that you don't get to see in movies.

Usually they're just in some sort of lane or it's like, oh, I know that person.

Yeah.

The Meryl Streep character in this movie is really interesting.

There's a lot going on and you feel like you've been, by the time the movie's over, you feel like you know her and she's like, oh, she's in a better place now.

Right.

Oh, she, she, she doesn't need to be with Jake anymore.

She should be like, she's grown past this.

But you want to argue with her in the moment and you're like, no, why are you doing this?

Yeah, you got to spark with Jake.

Yeah.

Or there are some decisions she does does or doesn't make during the course of the movie that I think about regularly, including the brow lift, you know?

So, and the, so it's, she's, she's going through it and you go through it with her.

I'm not getting a brow lift, but every time I, every time I think about, like, should I do something to my face?

I think about that scene and it's complicated.

Yeah.

And that, and the plastic surgeon being like, we will steeple your skill back this way.

And then you'll have a headache for three to six months.

And I'm like, no, I'm not doing it.

So she writes, Private Benjamin, Reconcilable Differences, Baby Boom, Father of the the Bride.

Yeah.

I love Trouble, a movie that I feel like with different actors might have worked.

Like a good example of like Nick Nulty and Julie Roberts together.

No, thank you.

Do they hate each other?

I feel like there's a they hated each other

behind the scenes.

They hated each other's actors.

Oh, behind the scenes.

And then on, they were like, are they rivals or ex they work for newspaper?

Newspaper rivals.

By the way, dated, I don't even know what that would be now.

But yeah, just it was one of those that I think with different people maybe works.

Father of the Bride 2.

Parent Trap Directs.

What woman want?

How do we feel about that movie now?

I will be honest, I re-watched it a few years ago.

And like, if you, if you put everything you know about Mel Gibson

in a lockbox, which maybe Gibson, which maybe also you have to do with Alec Baldwin for this movie.

But anyway,

he is very charming in it, and it is kind of funny.

It's like, obviously a little retrograde, but

it did well.

Yeah.

They mostly do well, right?

I mean,

like, this is the, she's constantly underestimated.

We'll get into that, I'm sure, when we talk about the criticism of it, both as an artist and when it comes to the box office over and over again, year after year with her.

And they're all bangers.

I would say what women want is kind of low on my power rankings personally, if I were to do a final rankings, but it's still a good movie.

Something's got to give the holiday it's complicated, the intern all in a row.

Heat.

And she's, she, after it's complicated, doesn't really do anything for six years.

Right.

You know, it's getting getting up there in age, maybe, maybe you only want to do really great ideas.

I don't know.

And then the intern is 2015 at this point.

So it's been 10 years.

She wanted to make a movie.

Yeah.

But they,

well, and I think Warner Brothers, but they couldn't agree on a budget.

And many people were saying that Nancy wanted to spend too much on her movie, to which I say, give Nancy all the money that she's.

Nancy cooked.

Yeah, let Nancy cook.

We let everyone else cook.

This stuff costs money.

Maybe she wanted like a $200 million.

I think it was actually like $180 was like the budget of the whole movie.

So that was a lot.

Well, it's funny that in the era of streamers overpaying for stuff, that people were like, whoa,

too far.

Yeah, too far.

Going too far.

But when you go back to the beginning of her career, it was like the same thing.

Who's going to see this movie with just a woman as the lead?

Goldie Hahn.

Do women even go to?

Yeah.

Turns out women go and like literally flux to see her movies.

Well, I mean, there's a, we'll talk about the Meryl Street part, but there's a whole Nancy Myers real estate.

I don't know if you've done this deep dive.

I'm excited.

It's a cottage industry of people writing long freak pieces about Nancy Meyers.

You know, everybody's got to make a living.

Here's what I think the common themes.

I did a lot of research.

Big giant rooms with high ceilings.

Of course.

She loves the high ceilings.

Likes like a lot of like a great room or just big room.

If you can see another room behind the room we're looking at,

home run for her.

Like if you can see the kitchen behind like the big casual living room, she's so open floor plans.

She likes open floor.

She likes when it looks lived in.

There's knickknacks everywhere.

There's like a map.

I don't even imagine how many.

She must just be in the set for like a week, just putting little weird knickknacks down.

Neutral paint colors for the most part.

Yeah.

Doesn't go crazy.

No like aqua kitchens or nothing like that.

A lot of wood.

She likes wood.

She likes oak, like big antique kind of.

You can see you found it in some yard sale.

And then the kitchens.

The kitchens.

Every time there's a kitchen in a Nancy Myers movie, my wife is like, that kitchen is just, I just can't believe.

And this, this one has maybe the best one of all of them.

It's true, though.

The irony of it is that she, the, the plot engine of the movie is that she wants to renovate it.

And I, for many years, I had it in a nitpick because it's a great kitchen.

Expand.

Expand.

Let's, yeah, she wants to expand it.

And for many years, I've been like, it's perfect.

I will say re-watching it again to defend that take, like, some of the storage, like, things are crammed in.

You know what I'm saying?

She can't really move the way that she wants to.

She probably has more stuff and less places to put the stuff.

So now I do understand why she wants a bigger one.

Nice little table in the middle for her kids to sit at like that part of the high, high island deck.

She wants to get the kind of the engine of the movie is her redesigning this kitchen, which she wants, she says, four walls, its own room, which is very...

outdated because right the format they use in the movie.

Though is that what about is that standing in for what what the character wants?

At the beginning, she thinks she wants four walls closed off, and then she needs to learn to let love in.

See, see what we did, Mina?

Yeah.

I mean, I like her house as it is, her $10 million house that a bakery owner could ask.

I mean, like a dream house for me.

She makes California seem like the best version of California in all her movies, too.

Like, she's

supposed to be like Santa Barbara, right?

And it's

sun's out all the time.

There's no morning haze in this version of Santa Barbara.

No beautiful.

She's jogging at 8.30 and forgets her meeting.

Super Sunny.

Does it bother you at all that she lives in the house of like a Hollywood studio owner and she is a bakery owner in Santa Barbara?

Like, I mean, the house has a courtyard, the garden.

Well, she got divorced, right?

Right.

She got divorced from a lawyer.

You figured he's a rich lawyer.

Yeah, but he didn't make partner until after their divorce.

Oh, interesting.

Because he says in that speech, he's like, you finally made, you know, I made partner.

You have your bakery.

Like, we made it where we're supposed to be.

Now, I do think that's a little late in the chronology because he's 58.

And so he's probably making partner by 45.

Even I know big law has its issues.

Yeah.

So, but, you know, listen, I have lawyer parents, but he is making some money.

So you're just part of movies and TV shows.

Everybody's spousal and partnering is way nicer.

Listen, that bakery should be making a lot of money.

Maybe Maybe in 2009 it was packed.

It is packed, but they're only charging $6.50 a bag for granola.

Now that granola would be definitely $22.

Right.

You walk in, and it's like Jones on Third-esque.

So it's scored.

They shot it in the Prospect Park boathouse.

The bakery is not LA, which kind of blew my mind.

But the reason I asked that question is it came up in a lot of the reviews.

People were like, this is so unrealistic.

A woman, like, you know,

the business owner would never be able to afford this house.

And it's, you know, and I thought, yeah, and John Wick can't kill 20 people in two minutes, but it's the same part of your brain.

It's just a different version of it, to your point, comparing to Michael Bay.

Yeah.

Shut it off.

It's funny.

I was thinking the opposite.

I was thinking how if they made this movie like 15 years later,

she would be like a borderline billionaire.

Right.

She would have like this incredible social media and she would be a franchise and be sending her desserts out to the country.

Yeah, so like maybe they haven't franchised it out yet.

that's the remake.

Yeah, there are multiple Jones on thirds now.

So who's who's starring in the remake when they do that?

When it's basically, it's complicated again, but now she's

like an Instagram

mogul.

Dakota Johnson.

She's basically Nancy Silverton crossed with whoever.

Yeah, maybe it's Dakota Jensen.

She's back.

So this house, Spanish-style ranch.

Yeah.

Soft white kitchen.

Yeah.

Just a lot of dishes.

That's another Nancy Myers thing.

Sure.

Can we talk about open shelving?

Yeah.

I, it's, it's one of my big issues with the Nancy Myers aesthetic in general.

And otherwise, I think she thinks it looks good.

But I guess it looks good in movies.

That's what I mean.

But it's, I, it's an epidemic in real life, you know, and it's just, it's so hard to maintain.

You got to keep everything just so.

What if you're actually using your dishes?

How do you keep the dust off?

You don't have to worry about that in a movie, though.

I know.

I know that's true.

But I think that it's one of these things where we've set unrealistic.

Nina's like, where did I get into?

I was talking about the Green Bay Packers back in the middle.

I know know you.

Okay, so I've been to both of your houses.

I was trying to, I was like, actually, Bill's house, I feel like, has a little bit, this compliments to your wife.

There is a little bit of a Nancy Myers

vibe to the interior.

It really is.

For you, I feel like the palette, maybe the neutrals is very, but you do like a tidier, less

shabby chic look.

I mean, I wish I liked a tidier thing.

Here's the issue is that I don't like, we just have too much stuff, you know, but the open shelves, there's nowhere to put it.

Yeah.

So it's stressful.

There's front porch is always good.

There's always a porchard.

I'm in the courtyard.

The courtyard.

Got a nice little view of the ocean.

The garden is awesome.

Really nice house.

I personally think there would be people there all the time working on that garden.

Yeah, of course.

That's like a five days a week, people trying to keep that.

Like the size of those tomatoes.

Yeah.

There's just, yeah, there's just too much and probably some coyotes.

Maybe her tomatoes.

Yeah, I was going to say there's like no netting.

There's no acknowledgement of wildlife which are you know if you've tried to grow tomatoes as i have it didn't didn't last very long why not her children because they apparently did not have jobs or do anything other than just hang around beryl streep's house right oh i can't wait to see the kids

oh my god but this is a trope this is another nancy myers trope which is these like children of right excuse me amanda peat was a very very high profile auctioneer at christie's and or sotheby's okay she's 28 years old and is just like auctioning off on millions of dollars of auction she had children in real life, right?

Amanda Pete Duran.

She wrote Nancy Myers.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's true.

The children in the movies do not resemble adult children that people have.

No, it's true.

Which it's like her fantasy of what adult children would be for a divorced couple.

And this is how they would act.

Just around.

They're all going to climb in bed together and just be ready to talk tomorrow.

One of them's like 28.

That's true.

Meryl Streep.

Yes.

The actual goat.

Yes.

Like the best actor of all time.

Where do you even begin?

Right.

I wrote a column, I think for East Pin the Magazine, it must have been like 08 or 09, where I figured out some scoring system for actors and actresses based on Oscar nominations and whatever.

And even then, she had the highest score by far.

And now she's had, I don't know, six, seven more nominations.

But this is a really interesting stretch of her career.

where it feels like she's moving maybe on the back nine of something.

Like it's she's hitting her mid-late 50s.

Maybe, maybe time for the new generation to come in.

She rips off Devil Where's Prada, Mama Mia, Doubt, Julia, Julia.

It's complicated.

The Iron Lady from 06 to 11.

Four Oscar nominations and one for Iron Lady.

It was honestly like Brady.

Yeah.

Just not

a lot.

Second three Super Bowls and Tampa.

Yeah.

Just ripping them off.

I was there because he lost one to the Phillies.

I mean, to the Eagles.

Sorry.

Yeah.

I know.

You know, it was a big thing for all the Philly people.

You lop off Iron Lady, and that's one of like the great film runs in history, in my opinion.

From Devil Wear's Prada to

I know, but like in turn,

just like that six-year run is better than most actor actors, any run they've ever had, where you have commercial movies, Oscar movies, Oscar performances.

And I feel like emblematic of like when you try to describe what makes Mario Street so great, which is really challenging to do succinctly, those movies, there's no like clear through line.

They're all the characters are all so different.

Her performances are so different.

And that to me is her defining quality as an actress, which is she has played literally every type of character in every possible way.

And this character is, I would say, and it's complicated, unlike even including some of the romantic comedies, unlike any other character she's ever played.

She is the Saturday Night Live sketch when they pretend to be Meryl.

When like Chloe Feynman's pretending to be Meryl Streep, that's who she is in this game.

She's laughing at every

joke.

She's just happy.

And then Devil Warris Prada doesn't crack a smile for two hours.

She doesn't raise her voice like, you know, everything at a whisper.

What's your number one Meryl Streep performance ever?

I mean, you can get artsy fartsy with this if you want to.

I mean, the most important to me is absolutely Devil Wars Prada.

And I think about Miranda Priestley also.

Do you think she thinks that?

She's probably like, how the fuck do they not think this is Sophie's choice?

She's making another one, but no, I don't, you know, another Devil Wars Prada.

No, I know.

Because I actually think it's her, it's probably her most enduring performance, as weird as that sounds, because she's won three Oscars and been nominated like over 20 times.

But I think Devil Wars Prada will live on 50 years from now and be the first movie people think of her in, which is kind of crazy.

Do you think that's the first one?

I kind of do.

What else?

I'm not talking about like how great a performance was.

It's just like what's on TV, what's getting memorable.

Like when your kids get older, at some point, they re-watch that movie.

It's the most re-watchable, I would argue, of any of our movies.

It's one of the most rewatchable movies of all time.

It's in the running for most rewatchable of 21st century.

Yeah.

How do you feel about them making a second one?

I'm actually, I'm excited for it.

So am I.

Like, my heart's open, and everyone's coming back.

Everybody's coming back.

Except for Adrian Grignier.

That's fine.

So he needs to come back.

No,

he's in Boston.

He's been making french fries.

He needs to come back.

He's fine.

He's figured out a new grilled cheese recipe.

He's been cheated on 28 times.

All-time pointless male romantic comedy roles.

He's the real loser.

It was really when they flipped the tables on that part.

And it was like, what if a guy just had the shittiest part of the movie by far?

Anyways, this was a crazy run for her.

And I was like, I wonder if this is the best run of her career.

And then you go back and there's this like Sophie's Choice, French Lieutenants Woman out of Africa, Soapwood.

Yeah, and she's just Harper.

She basically gets nominated for the Oscar every year for like seven, eight straight years.

So it's not also Deer Hunter, Manhattan, Kramer versus Kramer.

That was her best supporting actor, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it's that Kramer versus Kramer,

I think, is my favorite performance of hers other than uh, other than the double.

I have a take sort of related to that movie for one of my categories.

Okay, that's safe.

I'm going to save.

And then Alec Baldwin, yeah, who in the 2000s

transitions into becoming a really, really funny actor?

He's an incredible SNL guest host.

He's in Along Came Polly.

He's really funny.

He's funny in The Departed.

He's excellent in this.

Does 30 Rock.

Right.

And this is at the, this is the same time.

30 Rock's happening.

Right.

Yeah.

And he's kind of like an a lister again, like in a real way.

Are you guys 30 rock people?

Yeah.

I never was.

Okay, but you've seen.

You're familiar with it.

Is he just playing Jack Donnie in this movie?

Pretty much.

I just want to throw two.

It's not a bad thing.

I would argue he almost runs away with this movie.

He is incredibly funny.

We're going to get into it, but he is basically.

I guess I think of it as a softer, softer Jack.

Like a more likable.

Well, it's like

I think of this Alec Baldwin as there's 80s, there's Working Girl, Alec Baldwin, speaking of, you know, rewatchables.

And then...

And he's handsome.

Are we doing the phases of Alec Baldwin?

Yeah, well, that's...

Because don't forget about Malice, Alec baldwin sure right where he's i i guess i like malice getaway like yeah man kind of a dirtbag or the edge right but he has a nice run with those he reinvents himself and in my head he's like half jaffe donaghy and half jake from it's complicated but they are all just kind of

rich, charming blowhards with you know various degrees of connection to the world.

But a little bit irresistible or at least

in the movies.

Totally.

I don't know if you two would have found this movie.

He's way more, he's, we'll like, yeah we'll get there yeah this movie they're extremely like electric together

um yeah

i've always liked him in movies and tv shows yeah um for a long long time and i think his run actually exceeded how long it probably should have gone like he had a 30 plus year run even into the 2020s until all the recent stuff um

Pretty long run compared to some of his contemporaries.

You look at the people he's competing against in like 87, 88, 89, all those people are gone.

That's true.

And he hung around three plus decades, but I think he's so fucking funny in this movie.

He's amazing.

I don't even know who else would have played that part well.

I don't know who you could have put in.

She has talked about pick an actor.

How she really does write her characters with actors in mind.

And she did that for, she's talked about that with Jack Nicholson.

Right.

Because she was like, I can't believe I got him to do this.

And I have to think she wrote this role for Alec baldwin like it is so specific to him yeah and his abilities and his like physical comedy and like being the home sweet home is so funny it's my favorite part of the movie

you lost it re-watching it

he's just so good um i'm able to i don't i know he's gotten a little weird the last couple years but i don't think about it when i watch older movies like that i just i'm trapped in the moment i do it with sports too i don't i don't care

so i okay i actually put myself back in the headset of when I first saw this movie in 2009.

I saw it in the theater.

I wish we were friends back then.

When did you start dating Zach?

No, 2011 is when we met.

I think I saw it alone in New York.

That's sad.

I saw it over Christmas with my family.

You could have come.

My dad loved it.

It would have been great.

And I was like, thinking, what did I think about Alec Baldwin at the time?

And I remember then being like, I don't know about this guy.

And then I looked back and the voicemail scandal was pretty close to when this movie came out.

Oh, he was yelling at his dog.

So I was thinking, like, oh, actually, back then, he was also fresh off of a sort of miniature story.

He was a little bad boyish because I know they thought about that with 30 Rock, whether it was a good idea to bank on him for a five-year TV show.

Yeah.

So like four weeks ago, my dad was in town.

As you know, I'm a child of divorce.

Yeah.

And in the morning, my wife wanted to put something on because we were like, well, let's watch a movie.

It was like 8:30 in the morning.

We're having coffee.

And she put this movie on.

He'd never seen it.

Yeah.

He was dying.

And we were making fun of him.

We were like, was this what you're hoping would happen with me and my mom like for the last 30 years?

And he couldn't believe he'd never seen it.

But I think this movie hits the most age ranges of all the Nancy Meyers other than Father of the Bride, which is like an internal movie.

Father of the Bride will be passed on for as long as we're having children before AI takes over.

Let's, I, I think you're probably right.

I think Parent Trap is much bigger with like Craig's generation.

You'd be like, my dad wouldn't watch Parent Trap.

No, no, no.

And maybe something's got to give.

Maybe.

Something's got to give hits.

They both had a lot of the same sort of keys.

And mainly Jack Nicholson and Baldwin just both being so funny.

Yeah.

And that movie, I feel like if you'd put on, there's a lot of similarities.

Like last line.

So Nicholson could have potentially been

a version of the Baldwin.

It just would have been a different performance.

Yeah.

A little less oily.

And you kind of, and you maybe then root for it to end in a different way.

This is the hard part about recasting is like with Baldwin, he's great and steals the movie, but also

we all understand how it needs to resolve to be responsible and we're okay with it.

Like if you put, say, Harrison Ford in that role, it's like, no, no, no, they actually do.

Or Jack Nicholson.

You're like, no, no, no.

They need to be together.

$75 million budget.

It made $219 million.

That is right.

I'm saying.

Third biggest Nancy Myers movie.

Roger Ebert,

two and F stars.

Yeah.

Said Myers created, quote, a cottage industry of movies about romantically inclined middle-aged people.

Oh, sorry, Rod.

Yeah.

It's a rearrangement of the goods in Nancy Meyer's bakery, and some of them belong in the day-old shelf.

Rog.

Yeah.

Flashing out.

She wasn't feeling it.

You know?

A lot.

Okay, so I read a few reviews, not just of this movie, but of a lot of her movies, and they kind of made me angry

because a lot of them are pretty similar in tone to that.

And I'm not saying this is Deer Hunter and

there's obviously issues with it, but so many of them I feel like are

they're treating these movies as being much more cliche than they are.

And they're also not identifying the things that make them

personally.

And they're also, I think that if you could say I heard Amanda is you can no, I agree with her.

I mean, I

do that.

It's, I mean, it's just, it's annoying.

There are, there is a certain line of film criticism that is not practiced here on the Rewatchables, I'm happy to say, where certain skill sets, like say the ones used in horror movies, are like acknowledged as actual filmmaking accomplishments.

But the skill sets that Nancy Myers uses are, you know, are just silly or puffery instead of right.

But it is actually, it's really hard to write something this well and also make something look this good as literally every other Netflix ripoff can will show you.

You know, there's a reason they don't work.

That's the key point.

Yeah.

So, first of all,

a movie like this, you almost have to grow into it.

It's like you have to see it like three foot, you really start to appreciate it on the fourth, fifth time.

But then there's been so many bad versions of these.

I think it elevates movies like this where you're like, oh, here's actually a good version of these movies.

Yeah.

Which I feel that way about some action movies, too, because there's so many bad action movies.

Yeah.

Right.

That when you see, like,

even when we did Diehard with a Vengeance, like the first hour 20 of Dired with a Vengeance is so good.

Yeah.

You know, then it falls apart.

But

there was one critic who liked it.

You've both met him.

I couldn't find his review.

His name is Wesley Morris.

Where was it on the internet?

I tried to find it because it was linked on my job as the host of rewatchables.

He gets it.

He wrote the most emotionally sophisticated of all of Myers' fantasies.

A made for Merrill film.

Yeah.

Street deploys all her best moves.

She's irresistible.

It's complicated unleashes an unabashedly, desperately romantic side of Baldwin that we haven't seen before.

True.

What a king.

He doesn't steal this movie so much as Grant All Streeps fluttering and twirling and hand fanning, exuberant counterweight.

Yes.

Our guy

gets it.

I knew he would like this.

Yeah, of course.

I probably have talked about it.

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Most rewatchable scene.

Okay.

I wouldn't necessarily put these two in as the most rewatchable, but I really like the first two scenes of the movie and how they set everybody up.

The anniversary party.

You see the slow-mo lake bell coming in belly first.

And you just

see how it changes Meryl Streep's demeanor.

You know, it's like, oh, okay, I get what's going on here.

And then getting to meet all the kids.

They just do a good job of introducing all the characters in the plots in like six minutes.

That's so fucking hard to do.

Yes.

She's a really smart movie.

All right.

My first one.

Jane has dinner with her friends the first time.

The first time.

Oh.

The vagina closed up story, but just the four

together.

You're so lucky Steve is dead or whatever.

Yeah.

The roast chicken.

Four friends just really enjoyed each other, but that's another thing Meyer's good at.

But Rita Wilson, she's back.

She's another buddy rom-com.

She's really

you know,

she seems like I would have wine with her.

Is she who Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, like the pansy on the all-star friends?

Rom-com friends.

I mean, I'm not.

Rosie O'Donnell has got to be Rosie O'Donnell.

She's had a couple of people.

Do you know what Rosie O'Donnell's up to on and just like that?

The sex in the city.

I cannot believe you're still watching this show.

i i'm actually two episodes behind but i did see the one my wife watched the first one celibate nun so yeah i obviously thought she was very good on the show and they could use more star turns yeah like rosie o'donnell um

yeah that's so would you say rita wilson and and

judy greer judy greer has the ballet i think yeah she's been in like six of these yeah being the friend

um the bar dinner scene yeah yeah when they run into each other at the bar lead into the home sweet home

I'd like that you've foregone bikini waxes.

You've gone native.

I was into it.

It's just like an SNL sketch.

Everything about it is so good.

She's good.

They're just like, they just have it.

They have like electricity.

They do.

He also says the Pilates are paying off.

Definitely that.

All these backgrounds.

Every line delivery he has in that.

That was my favorite scene is so funny.

So funny.

Family graduation dinner scene.

The oh God, it's official.

We're having an affair.

I think this is very French of us.

Yeah.

Have that one.

Jane tells her friends about the affair.

Oh, yeah.

I'm having an affair with Agnes Adler's husband.

I am having an affair with Agnes Adler's husband.

That is genius.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of screaming and shrieking.

It's like, it's a good, it's a good meme.

Like, has it been memed reaction shot?

I think I always think of it in my head of everyone being like,

yeah, all at once.

Steve Martin dinner date with Jake stalking leading to the Jake seduction and the Bathtub scene.

Yeah.

Bathtub screen.

Oh, really nice.

Jake has a heart attack.

Sure.

Another classic trope name.

Talking about Flow Max.

Yeah, I like a lot of sperm.

I prefer a lot of semen.

I always have.

Yeah, that's right.

Jane Gets Everyone Stoned is really funny.

Yeah.

The Chaco Croissant scene,

the laptop nudity scene.

Sure.

Yeah.

And then Jake and Jane realize it's not going to happen.

Yeah.

So what do you have?

Probably the croissants are the single most.

Well, no, no, no.

Or the, I never get prepared for this.

I already said the plastic surgeon scene I think about a lot.

The hotel.

I have hotel bar.

Yeah.

Oh, the hotel, that one.

The bar scene.

That stretch is awesome.

Okay.

But I also, I like the second one when he has the heart attack and then krasinski's in the lobby being like i don't know what's going on and then i have always liked a lot of semen it's pretty good and then they have the emotional thing at the end maybe maybe i do that one maybe i pick the second change your mind seven times

what do i mean for me it's the the dinner at the bar leading into them having sex because of the lines we talked about because they're so funny and While I guess I should just say this now, I understand they couldn't be together.

The breakup made sense or whatever you want to call it.

The resolution of the film made sense, but they just have such better chemistry than her and Steve Martin.

Oh, yeah.

And I struggle with it in this movie

and how it ends up.

And it's all stemming from that scene.

Like everything about those two actors, they look like they're having the time of their lives.

I mean, this is like sort of the whole movie that all the actors seem like they're having the time of their lives.

But in that scene and in the bedroom scene, it is just.

two, two actors at the top of their games to me.

Yeah.

Do you, do you ever, are you ever in the same room with your parents together?

Or were you after the divorce or not really?

I was telling this story the other day.

The first time I was supposed to be was after was my college graduation and there was like a department breakfast beforehand, but then I got too drunk and I slept through it.

And so then my professors had to introduce my parents.

I don't know if I sorry about that, everyone.

So I don't think that they've ever

act at all or they actually do.

Because I had the opposite, yeah.

And when my dad and my mom are together, it's like absolutely the most fascinating thing.

Yeah.

And then, as my kids got older, they became fascinated by it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

When my dad was here, my two kids went out to lunch with them, and they were just like,

you know, they could have made it.

Like, it's like, one of the things like, you can't see it.

It's still, there's some sort of chemistry still there.

It's really funny.

I have a question for you guys because my husband and I talked about this after we watched a movie.

How often do you guys think divorced couples hook up years later?

Oh, interesting.

I don't think it's a very common.

No.

I don't know any, no, in our ape, there's not any divorced people, but like in our cohort, I don't know of it happening.

Yeah.

It's happened with celebrities where people have gotten divorced and then gotten back together, like Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton.

But if it happens, they are just like, no, we're getting back together.

Don Johnson and Dakota.

Yeah,

if it happens, you find out about it because they're like, well, I guess we're just doing this again.

I mean, the worst is J-Lo and Affleck.

Yeah.

Or the best.

Yeah.

Or the best.

But that one.

Yeah.

So, you know, if the spark's there, the spark's there sometimes.

Yeah.

All right.

What's the most 2009 thing about this movie?

I have two, but do you have any?

Okay.

Normal size John Krasinski?

And or just John Krasinski.

Pre-super John.

Yeah, yeah.

So I had John Krasinski being the seventh lead of a movie.

I like this version of him.

Yeah, he's very the oddest.

He's like charming.

It takes you back to a time.

Breaking the force.

Yeah.

The answer is actually being sad about having nobody to watch the hills with, which is the thing said during the movie.

That just traps you in 2009.

Ah, this is exciting.

The Amanda Dobbins Award for best piece of real estate, even though we've already covered it.

No, you have to do it.

I mean, it is the house, right?

But then I was trying to think of like secondary things because we all know it's the house.

The house that we can skip over.

You just had to give it because you're here.

The kids' bungalow is pretty nice.

Yeah.

I just, they don't have a job, but they have a guest bathroom, you know?

How do you feel about the house being in Thousand Oaks in real life?

Well, surprised to hear that one.

I did as well.

I mapped it out and it's like, it seems like the address is Thousand Oaks, but it's kind of down in the wilderness, sort of, in a way that seems less settled.

So I'm okay with that.

It's good to hear.

Are you surprised by Thousand Oaks being in the location?

Yeah, because it also just doesn't look like it's 100 degrees, which it would be in Thousand Oaks.

Yeah, I was surprised.

What's age the best?

There's good tidbits in the early part of this movie showing that she's kind of lonely.

She's doing a nice job.

Like she's in the elevator and she watches like the couple together.

Right.

But Nancy Myers is good at that.

It's like, I'm not going to tell you.

about what this part, but I'm just going to give you like five, six little tiny things.

Yeah.

I have a literal one which is meryl streep because she looks like beautiful in this movie and like just has literally aged gorgeous and then this is again a hallmark of nancy everybody looks great in her movies and it's they're movies about adults for adults and

she makes i'm you know our cinematographer who i don't know who it is if she has the same people that she always works with but everybody's shot like just so yeah gorgeously i say this bathed in a golden glow as a compliment to the technicians at work but like you can see that when Meryl gets like her special light, you know, and they cut from especially from Baldwin, who's supposed to look a little haggard, back to Meryl.

And it's beautiful work.

And it is like a Renaissance painting.

And that is everyone doing their job well.

This would be, this would have been a good AS Pan segment.

Got to bring them in.

Meryl Streep doesn't get enough credit for being beautiful.

Dating back to Kramer vs.

Kramer in Manhattan.

But she's in certain movies, like I think in Kramer vs.

Kramer, like she's just beautiful in that movie.

But she's in Devil Ross Prada in this, where they just feel like two different people.

But you would just, you would immediately notice.

Well, some of it also is like the performance is we talked about at the beginning how it's kind of she's not really like this in any of other movies.

And you kind of it's happy, giggity marrow.

And that, and this is what I love about Nancy Meyer's female characters is so often with rom-coms, it's the uptight trope, right?

The uptight woman.

Yeah.

Even a movie as great as Sweet Home Alabama, it's a cliche character, and there's a million other examples of that.

I think that's the first time the sentence, a movie as great as Sweet Home Alabama, has been said on this podcast.

I fully support it.

I am really happy to be here.

And this is a safe space for that

for a million reasons.

But like her whip, Diane Keenan is the same way, and something's got a gift.

Like she is successful.

Maybe she has put her life or, you know, chosen work at the expense of other things, but she's like kind of chill.

You know what I'm I'm saying?

She kind of rolls with the punches.

She laughs a lot.

She's quick to smile.

I always enjoyed that about her characters.

They don't feel like stereotypes.

Yeah.

Well, that's why that's the thread to do with any good rom-com or they go sideways because the trope is always, this person's a mess.

They can't find anybody.

Right.

They've got to bring a date to the wedding.

And oh my God, they can't find anyone.

And it's just their life's just a roller coaster.

In this one, it feels like a realistic roller coaster.

It's like, I get it.

She threw herself for a career.

Yeah.

Got her shit together.

Got her kids.

And

whether she'd be attracted to Steve Martin is a whole in this movie,

the Steve Martin version of this movie, I have some doubts, but we can talk about that later.

Any

movie, but especially any rom-com where there's a smoking hot, bitchy second wife, it's a home run.

It's never not worked.

It's true.

And it's like most of the female characters are older and then shit.

And then you have this other one who just sucks.

It's just the scene where she's in the elevator and notices her tiger tattoo for the first time kills me.

Like Bell's tiger tattoo.

I liked I Don't Speak Pedro is just really funny.

Yeah.

Caitlin Fitzgerald.

Yeah.

Not given a lot to do in this film.

Not a lot to do, but

now you get to watch this movie with the library of her as Roman's girlfriend for like 15 succession episodes where she's so funny in that movie.

And I don't, I just wish that character had been in this movie because she's basically a blank slate.

Blonde child, number three.

I don't really understand

anything about does she work?

Yeah.

What's going on with her and John Krasinski?

Why does he treat her like a eight-year-old child?

Why don't they have adult conversations?

How old is she supposed to be?

Is she 18?

Is she 30?

Yeah.

What is she?

But I was excited to see her.

It's still,

I know her primarily from this movie.

So every time I saw her on on succession, I was just very weirded out.

I was like, what are you doing here?

That's not, this doesn't make sense to me.

Apparently, Joanna Robinson is a big, she says there's a whole library of work, like Masters of Sex.

Like, she's, she's like, she's

definitely one of those who hasn't been in the right situations.

Hunter Parrish, who is in weeds.

I don't know what else he's.

That's the youngest one.

Yeah, the boy who graduates.

I have a couple categories for him later.

None of these kids have anything to do in this movie.

And then Zoe Kazan, who I went to college with.

never interacted with her in college.

Marlborough School, L.A.

That checks out.

Yeah.

She feels has done mostly more serious movies

than this, but she doesn't have much to do in this one either.

I don't have, I did all my other what's a best, if you want to move on.

The title?

Can I throw that one in?

What?

Do they don't say the title verbatim?

No.

They say like it's gotten complicated, but nobody says like it's complicated.

You don't think it's a good title?

No, i this is the only thing i don't like about nancy myers movies is some of the titles are really bad so what what do you think the title should be

i guess you can't put divorce in the title because that turns people off faking it up

where she talks maybe something like second bake

so bad

um home sweet home yeah home sweet home is a great title isn't that actually what was the name of oh movie that for the one with reece withers directed.

Yeah.

Home Again.

Home Again.

Is what that one was called.

Something's got to give is like an objectively perfect movie with a terrible title.

Honestly, Mina, you nailed it.

Home, Sweet Home.

Home Sweet Home.

Home, Sweet Home.

I'm hilarious.

I just remember, you know,

are you down with that?

Home, Sweet Home?

Yeah, yeah, it's great.

Finally, it's complicated.

Great title.

It's another, like, what's the most 2009 thing about this movie?

Yeah, like the generic.

Well, also the Facebook of it all.

Yeah.

Because that is still when we were complicated.

You don't have time to do it.

You know about this, Bill?

It's complicated.

So when around this this time, because Facebook had just launched, you could put your relationship status on Facebook, and one of the options was.

So, I always thought that's what it was.

So, in that sense, I'm like, oh, what a nice snapshot.

Maybe that's the most expensive thing.

What were we going to say, Craig?

You know what else has aged the best?

Is Meryl Streep not getting a ton of plastic surgery in real life after this movie?

True.

Because she looks like a mess.

Yeah.

It is a great name.

Because she famously is anti-plastic surgery.

I don't know if that's true, but she still looks great.

That's why she's our queen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Big Kehoenerberg Award award for best use of food or drink.

It's obviously the croque

monsieur.

I can't speak.

What about the crocodiles?

I thought you was going to say chocolate croissants.

And it was like a little bit of a whole scene where they say it for me.

I can't.

Croque monsieur.

Croque monsieur.

It's hard.

I mean, I also, I had a problem with auteur or like the R's and the I'll say this.

You can go chocolate croissants here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But when she's,

everyone is so excited about her croque monsieurs.

No, it's true.

That it really made me like, I even asked my wife you just got to make these like i'm doing the thing when i can't say french words either bill and i just say them really fast and hope nobody notices that's right like i really like

the french

towels together

whenever we have to do that like do i want to go to a bon pin because i couldn't say it also in this movie um when steve martin has to say croissant he does croissants he leans into it he does like the full thing um i'm actually

no i'm with you because while watching that scene where she makes the croque source and the lavender ice cream, I literally, I was like, I want both of these things right now.

The lavender ice cream does also stick in my head because then when Alec Baldwin shows up and he's like, oh, you can't sleep, you're making lavender ice cream again.

I will also do honorable mention for the chocolate cake, which I just want a piece of, you know?

So the lavender ice cream, that's not something I would be like, oh, cool, they have lavender ice cream.

Right.

What does that taste like?

I mean, I think it's mostly sweet with hints of lavender.

I don't know, olive oil ice cream, similar vibe?

No, thanks.

Oh, it's olive oil.

What would you add for that one, Craig?

What made you the hungriest as you watched this movie?

Probably the croque monsieur.

I would say it's basically just cheese bread, right?

No, it's got ham.

Yeah, ham on it.

Ham and cheese for sure.

Yeah.

The lavender, the lavender ice cream is like some salt and straw bullshit.

You don't need that.

All right.

Well, you know what?

Salt and straw is another place you should probably kind of check.

Salt and strawberry, that's okay.

Turkey and gravy with real turkey.

Salt and straw, like lavender and pears, goat cheese.

Go cheese.

Yeah, go cheese.

Yeah.

Great shotgord or most cinematic shot.

So

after the daughter moves out, this is what I have.

Yeah.

And they and everybody leaves and Jane's in her house alone.

And it's just like a good wide shot where you can see the whole house.

But she's also like, oh, I'm alone.

Yeah.

I like that one.

What do you have?

The second time that they have sex,

he comes over.

He convinces her.

It smash cuts to the sprinkler.

I literally have the sprinkler on the lawn written down as well.

It's good.

Smash cuts back, and it's Alec Baldwin.

Like a good old laying back.

She's like, not again.

She's like moaning and he's got the shit-eating grin on his face.

Just a perfect transition.

Yeah.

Kid Cuddy pursued happiness where Best Needle drop.

I can give you Tom Petty, Don't Do Me Like That.

Yeah.

Or I can give you the fine young cannibals.

Good to hear from them.

I have.

Tom Petty, Don't Do Me Like That, or Benny and the Jets when she's stoned.

No one, none of the Beach Boys.

They answered.

They can do those two.

I got dumb.

In the moment when they realized everyone's kind of looking at each other and like, what's going on here?

R.I.P.

What do you have for the Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers Award for best character name?

I like that the little kid was named Pedro and just wasn't acknowledged.

Exactly.

I don't speak Pedro.

Agnes with two S's, the second wife.

Agnes was good.

Oh, is it Agnes?

Yeah.

I don't know if that's explained in the movie or if it's just Nancy Meyer's writing, but it's a very funny

generational contrast to, you know, Jane, Jake, Adam, and then Agnes.

We should have given the Nancy Myers backstory of how she had the writing partner that directed the movies she wrote.

Yeah.

They got divorced.

Her husband.

Yeah.

Her husband.

Yeah.

Charles Shires.

So did he, do you think he married an Agnes?

I wonder how much real life shit's in there.

I don't know.

She wrote a modern love, but I think it's after this movie, right?

About they like going on a road trip with Charles Shires, who died last year.

And they

and like it wasn't its complicated type vibe of remembering what was like good about him, but it was different because it was, it was a nice thing.

But she didn't get into the specifics of whether he married an Agnes Adler who has a big job in marketing.

Amanda, you have a flex category.

I do.

What are you doing?

So I think that I'm going to go

with Lake Bell.

Okay.

Well, there are two categories here.

And it's either.

Yeah, Lake Bell can't be a category.

I know, I know, but she's the answer to two categories: it's either the person in their own movie,

you know.

That's a good one.

Yeah, who do we name that one after?

It's at the very bottom of the

Judd Nelson.

That's a Judge Bell.

Judd Nelson.

Oh, we never get that one out.

Yeah, I think that Lake Bell exists in a different movie.

She's not bad.

Judd Nelson in New Jack City.

He's just in his own

film in his own movie.

She's just in like a very different

aggressive movie.

That's a really good one.

Yeah.

So that's

wearing boy shorts the entire movie.

Right.

Just little

her styling in general.

Hard.

You know,

just what, why is she living in Santa Barbara and dressing like that?

And also, what is her big job?

What does she do in Santa Barbara?

She, so she is in marketing, and the joke is that she markets for like KY,

but I think it's supposed to be like a radio station, which is, yeah.

Do we think it's funny that Nancy Myers basically cast Lake Bell's Wario, Amanda Pete, in this similar movie?

Yeah.

Not kind of the same role.

I don't know who's whose wario, actually.

I texted you.

I was like, who's the poor man's version of whom?

But

literally

playing the same.

I feel like you discounted Amanda Pete.

Yeah.

So maybe Lake Bell's her Wario.

I think Lake Belle is her wario with respect.

She is a better character.

We respect Amanda Pete in this house, if only because Amandas need a win, just generally.

You know, she's one of our leading Amandas.

Also, just when you think like she's ready to give up the steering wheel, your friends and neighbors, the college episode happens, and she just takes the mantle back for another couple years.

Lake Bell, though, I will say this.

Yeah.

And you know, Dave Jacoby.

Yeah, of course.

Her and How to Make It in America was her all-time favorite Dave Jacobi character.

And she was really good on that show.

Yes.

And I actually feel like that.

That's probably her best.

That was probably her best performance, right?

She's been in a bunch of stuff, but I think that was probably my favorite version of her.

Butch's girlfriend award, weak link of the movie.

Mm-hmm.

I'll let you go first.

Well, okay.

This is kind of the, I was going to say, I wonder if we all have the same one.

I was going to do recasting, which is part of this conversation.

I know where you're going, and

I agree completely.

So I came up with something else to save it.

Is this time to talk about Steve Martin?

Oh, am I not where you guys thought I was going with this?

That's where I thought you were going.

I came up with something else, just for variety's sake.

Don't think it's his fault.

No.

I think his character is a little bit underwritten.

I think he is

going up against

a juggernaut in Alec Baldwin, who is just so charismatic and so funny.

But I do question.

I was going to do one of my flex one was the recasting.

I was going to throw out the idea that if he was played by a more charming charismatic man, we would, there'd be a little bit more energy to the rivalry.

Like nerdier charismatic, maybe?

No, I think you got to

go away from nerdy and steer towards sensitive.

So it's, you know, so there's a balance.

Who are you giving me?

Sam Shepard.

Sam Shepard.

Oh, that's not fair.

Women love Shake Shepard.

Well, come on.

Paul can't compete with that.

Well, he could compete with that.

You know, he's not Sam Shepard in his family.

No, it's not fair.

But I think it's not.

Palmetto fighting Sam Shepard.

No, but he's not supposed to ultimately, you know, but there's a little more of a

there there.

Could you do like a Dennis Quaid?

No.

No.

No.

I had two ideas.

Yeah.

Cruise?

No, sorry.

No.

Meryl Streaker.

I saw a lot of girlfriends.

We re-watched

the first half of Top Gun Maverick Again last night at my house.

Just to the bedroom scene?

No, because we only made it as far as the first penny encounter in the bar.

When she's like, don't give me that look.

He is not giving a look.

He's just

handed out.

Um, okay, one is a guy who's actually been in a romantic comedy with Meryl, yeah,

and that man is Tommy Lee Jones.

Interesting, interesting, going for a little more of a blue collar, not as handsome as Al Baldwin's.

Maybe he's a contractor instead of an architect, maybe he's in there fixing stuff for her,

yeah, a little gruff.

I'm not opposed to it.

The other one, I alluded to this earlier, but what if, like, as a callback and kind of a meta joke within the movie movie being about divorce, what if we brought back Dustin Hoffman from Kramer versus Kramer?

But this time,

the callback.

Is that too, too weird?

Yeah, they also famously hated.

Have you ever had a normal rom-com relationship?

Yeah, I also

spent in some, actually.

It is funny that they do their movie night, they watch the graduate, speaking of.

That's true.

But

here's the thing.

I vote no in this.

I don't think that you're rooting for him over.

You need someone that you can actually root for over Alec Balden.

Yeah.

Okay.

Or to be okay with.

I think I did great work.

I think Sam Shepherd

is a good one.

Pretty good.

Okay.

Thank you.

Here's my weak link of the film.

The kids aren't damaged enough.

They're children of divorce.

We need one of those kids.

It needs to be slightly fucked up in some way.

These are the happiest divorced kids that have ever been in a movie or a TV show.

I'd be happy if my mom had a $10 million house and made amazing food all day and bankrolled my

existence.

These kids were all teenagers during this divorce.

There's no way they're all just doing great.

That's true.

One of them is fucked up.

One of them is like, uh-oh.

No, it's just been in college seven years.

It's really funny.

And I think it's revealing of our respective divorce experiences where I watched this and I was like.

They are way too invested in their parents getting back together, in my opinion.

They're all just like sitting there like sad babies.

Yeah, they're just sitting there being like you and daddy need to get back together and i'm just like what are you your parents have put you through hell for 10 years like no no no no no that's not the reaction the reaction would be like mom what the fuck are you doing yeah what's going on that's a cad who's yeah i read it as they didn't want them to get back together maybe this is where our life experience no they get they're disappointed when zoe Kazan gives this speech at the post-graduation breakfast she's like i just want to say it's nice just us like all of us together it has the original five yeah Um, no, it seems like they want them to get back together, which is at the end, they're like, Yeah, but we this was really hard on us, the kids make no sense, right?

I mean, like, this is really the point.

The kids don't make any sense, yeah, bizarre, but I think even when they find out it's a quote, it's the trio plus Krasinski, who has no job either, he's just just hanging out where they all the interpreter.

Did they all sleep in the same bed together without Krasinski?

And Krasinski was like, I'll just be on the couch.

We just like the next morning,

they were all like gathering.

Under the covers.

Yeah.

Okay.

Listen.

Yeah.

It's one of the reasons this movie's fun to re-watch.

It's not a bad thing.

It's not a negative for the movie.

It's actually hilarious how weird the kids are in this and how happy they all are.

Why are they so happy?

The kids graduating college.

They're acting like he fucking landed from Mars.

And he's like photoshopping.

And they're like, wow.

He's graduating from university.

They're screaming.

No, I agree.

It's nice that, like,

they don't make sense, but also the movie doesn't care about the kids, which I sort of appreciate.

You know, it's like, well, they'll be fine.

You know, we actually can just talk about divorce through the eyes of the grown-ups.

There's no chance they'd be living in Santa Barbara either.

Like, if you

grow up, and definitely can't afford that bungalow with two bathrooms, even in 2009.

Well, I guess they don't have jobs.

Yeah.

And they in between.

And they're either 13 years old or 30.

yeah i don't know very strange uh would sage the worst we mentioned an incredibly likable alec baldwin it's kind of weird

i wrote down are we sure steve martin isn't a loser in this movie he's he is

veering too close toward loserville are we surprised he agreed to do the movie because so we're you know she gets

another thing that's great about messy mindset she gets these the movies are about women and she gets a-list men which is not always an easy thing to do to sort of subsume themselves to these great actresses.

But Alec Baldwin gets this great meaty role.

Jack Nicholson had this great meaty role.

If I'm Steve Martin, I'm reading this and I'm like, I don't know, this is really a lot here for me to do.

Maybe he wants to.

Steve Martin has tried to be serious, Steve Martin, in movies, like once every 10 years or so.

It's been more than that.

Yeah.

He does it a couple times a decade.

And he, like, clearly, he has a side of him that's not just being the funniest person in the world.

That he actually

have to do it.

There's more to me here.

I guess.

I'm a serious guy, too.

What, you know, and who doesn't want to be an architect?

That's a pretty, I mean, it's the classic romantic comedy job that I just saw somebody.

What about Bill Murray?

As thinking, 2009.

What was Bill Murray in around that time?

Steve Martin's part.

So it'd be like five years after Manda's favorite movie, Lost in Translation.

Right.

Yeah.

Lost in Translation, Broken Flowers around that time.

He's like a quirky, goofy architect.

Yeah, but he has a little,

I worry that she's going to have to do too much taking care of him, you know, and you, and that's, you know, you want her to be living her own life.

Yeah, I don't love Steve Martin in this movie.

Yeah, I don't think any of us likes Steve Martin.

Of course.

Yeah.

And then I have for what's age the worst.

The youngest son, you mentioned the kid from weeds.

I don't know what he's doing in this movie.

Talk about being in your own movie.

This kid is like a smiling serial killer.

He's just a grinning mania.

He's a sociopath.

If he became American Psycho,

American Psycho 2.

Maybe he is.

I'd be like, that totally makes sense.

He's moving to Wall Street.

He's going to just start killing people.

I have no idea what he's doing.

Why he is so happy all the time.

They kind of remind me of Meryl Streep's real-life kids.

At least the two who are actors who I know as they are.

They're super like Dumber Mamie and what are her kids' names?

Louisa and Mamie.

Oh,

one is in the Gilded Age.

Yes.

The youngest.

And she was also in the Materialists for one scene.

Really?

Yes.

And

then Mamie is older and was on

a Shonda Rhymes show with QB1.

She was on the Guildford, too.

She played like a mean lawyer, I think.

From Friday night, Matt Saracen, what was his real name?

Zach Guilford.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They were on that show for like half a season.

That's all.

That's what I know.

Because Meryl,

she's got like three or four blonde children and feelings.

You You would think like the acting gene gets passed down.

There's some sort of performance acting thing that I would think it's almost like sports.

That's why when that when people get mad about the Nepo Baby stuff, I'm always like,

would it make sense to me that Meryl Streeps' kids would be good at acting?

Right.

At some point, that's got to be something in your DNA.

Just quite a bit of a bad thing.

But like sometimes like Meg Ryan just takes over his body and it works.

But I'm like, oh, yeah, I get it.

This was his.

That's a good example.

He's a good actor.

But he's both of his parents were actors.

What are the odds he's going to be a good good actor?

Like, probably

around the game.

Yeah.

Kyle Shanahan.

Arch Meaning.

Immersed in the play calling.

Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge over acting word.

Is it Beryl Street?

I was going to say.

Are we 10 laughs too heavy in this?

Not that I'm arguing.

Wow.

That cake is good.

I get it.

She's deliriously happy in this movie.

Except for when she's having emotional revelation, in which case,

just

a lot of quivering, but there is a lot of movement.

When she announces the affair to her friends, she does like a twirl the hairs in front of her face.

Yeah, it's true.

Do you feel like she overacted the pot smoking scene?

Do you poke smot?

Please don't think that I'm weird or out of line or anything, but do you, by any chance, poke smot?

Do I what?

I mean,

do you smoke pot?

One day.

One and both did.

It's the only time.

It's the only time that Steve Martin.

She was acting like she was on ass issue.

I know.

It is true.

Also, we believe rich white people in California have gotten this long without smoking pot.

Yeah,

it's definitely.

I know it's true.

It's a funny scene, though.

I like it.

I enjoy it.

Can it be Meryl, but in a good way?

That's, I was a compliment.

I love her in this way.

She just dials it up a couple times.

I agree.

Meaning, you have a flex category.

Are you prepared for it?

Well, I was doing the recasting.

I could do some other ones, though.

My Steve Martin hate.

I feel like

Steve Martin to hate.

Well, I don't know.

Criticism.

Yeah.

All right.

You already did yours.

Yeah.

Well, this is exciting.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take away.

Right.

A category I think we've added since the last time you've been on.

Or at least.

Mine's fairly low stakes because like Steve Martin is the obviously, but it's Steve Martin's not a hot take.

It's a cold take.

So I have a more like Nancy Myers universe.

Oh, I have a lot about Nancy Myers.

Hot take

that, but it's not, it's, I think someone else should go first.

No.

Okay.

Mine is good.

Mine is that roast chicken might be the most overrated food in the universe.

I like

really good.

Even when it's

often bad and dry, but when it's good.

And listen, I like Nancy Myers believes in this.

And that's, you know, Jake's favorite meal.

She kind of gets her recipe and her belief from Inagarten, Garten, the barefoot contessa, who I also really respect.

And I'm

and I'm just like, you know, it's, it's good

and that's fine.

And you put vegetables or potatoes or whatever, and then you have like some chicken.

It's fine.

It's fine.

There are many, many really good ways to prepare chicken and many other things you can roast.

There we go.

Isn't that like Ina Garten's thing too?

Yeah, she's like, I know, she is.

I know, I know that I am disrespecting like the women who came before me, you know?

I get it, but like, it's fine.

I like it the most when it's, when the juices are crazy or when there's like a focaccia bread situation with it.

Totally.

When like they roast a chicken, but it's on top of a bread thing.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Like with the croutons and it's absorbing.

So you're saying like if it's just I'm just serving you a roasted chicken, you're not that impressed?

Just listen, if Ina Garten herself is making it for me,

then I, it's one of the best things in the world.

That's never happened.

I'm very open to that opportunity.

Also, if you go to a really fancy restaurant and they're like, this is our specialty, it is pretty good.

But like me at home, the average person at home,

you know, it's, we, we can.

I like it.

It's a good hottest take because it made me bad.

Mina.

I've,

okay.

Here's one.

I think Nancy Meyer's movies in general, but this movie being an example, example, are proof that old people should be in more stuff.

Yeah.

Like we need more movies of all genres,

action, spy, romance, comedy, where the leads are all over 50 years old.

I agree with that.

The characters are more believable as having lived interesting lives.

The actors tend to be better.

I'm maybe this is me aging and being, but I felt this way when I saw this movie in 2009.

I was just out of college and I loved it.

So I feel like her

oeuvre is a strong case study for making more movies like this.

I don't even know if that's a hot take.

That was a good one.

Yeah, why don't we have that?

Great take.

I'm going full hot.

Yeah, go.

Santa Barbara.

Oh, boy.

Here we go.

You're looking at it.

Biggest disparity between movies in real life of any location.

Speak on it.

Go.

Like, good or bad.

The sun doesn't come out till like 2:30 in Santa Barbara.

It's just a fact.

I will, I will fact it.

That's a fucking fact.

This Sunday morning, because I went to Santa Barbara for it this weekend.

I don't believe it.

It came out at 10.

And I know because I'm not sure.

That's a miracle.

And it was.

And it was cloudy.

And

it's very.

And I was worried about my son getting frostbite from the ocean when we went to the beach at 9 a.m.

And by 10, the sun was up.

Santa Barbara's in a lot of movies.

It's always a great location.

It's perfect.

It's beautiful.

And then when you actually go,

it's like just cloudy until 1.30.

And it's never, never addressed by any character.

It would be like if you do Seattle movies and it's like, whoa, another nice day here in Seattle.

It's like, come on.

It is, it's pull this leg and plays jingle bells.

You're making a good point.

I do think you're underrating other aspects of Santa Barbara.

I'm pro-Santa Barbara.

I'm just pointing out the sun doesn't come out until 1.30 to 2 in the afternoon.

And everybody there knows it and they don't want to admit it because they all talk about how great it is.

It's such a strange place for people to live to me.

It is.

Like, I mean, I know there's many people who live there and clearly love it, but like, I can't imagine spending more than three days.

It's like the perfect place to spend two days.

Yeah.

Unless you're not.

Craig, do you have Santa Barbara thoughts?

I think Santa Barbara is heaven on earth.

I'm kind of, I'm kind of with you.

And I would retire there in a second.

Okay, so you like when there's no sun until 1.30?

First of all, that hasn't been my experience in my drive to Santa Barbara.

Anywhere on the California coast, you're going to get the the fog.

An incredible city if you have a ton of money.

Yeah, sure.

Well, that's the thing.

Yeah.

I mean, you would have to have a lot of people.

Yeah, I don't think you would have a lot of people.

To the wine country.

How many friends do you have who couldn't live there because

the wine thing would get out of control?

I have at least 12.

Okay, that's nice.

Okay.

And all my wife's side of the fog.

I would like to be friends with all of those women.

I have a couple of my wife's friends would be be dead if they lived there, like dead for real.

How do we feel about Santa Barbara versus Ojai?

I really like Ojai.

Yeah, we were just talking about that.

The cool thing about this location.

Santa Barbara's got a lot of options around Santa Barbara.

Yeah.

Because you can go to all these different things.

That's the coolest part about it.

It's all these different things.

But I just think if you're going there and pretending you're going to get an awesome tan, you might be disappointed.

Yeah, but maybe you just want to be by the water.

Yeah.

It's so like the mountain.

Bring a jacket.

Well, sure.

Okay, second.

Don't worry about Santa Claus.

Oh, high is also 20 degrees hotter than Santa Barbara.

It is hot.

The whitest conversation ever held on Rewatch.

We were just giving people a taste of California.

We didn't give him a lot of time.

We've been able to do that.

We did turn their money over here.

Yeah, we did 10 minutes on seriously.

How do you feel about Santa Barbara versus Zohai?

It's probably the whitest thing I've ever said out loud.

Yeah.

Which is, you know, I mean, we're doing a Nancy Myers.

If there's, you know, is a good thing.

That is a lot of Nancy Myers movies.

That is

the world.

We are very on topic.

Well, that was a perfect segment.

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Casting what ifs.

Were there any?

They said Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, Michael Douglas, and Tom Hanks were all considered for the role of Jake.

I don't know if I believe that.

That's why it's some of this stuff's half-assed.

There's a Michael Douglas, maybe.

You can see it, but you even.

Michael Douglas is the architect.

I was just about to say, you were saying that.

I was like, what about the rival?

But no, he's.

Then you just expect him to really be getting it on at some point.

Exactly.

Like, there's a horny microphone.

There's no oldness with Michael Douglas.

But he's pretty old at this point.

2009?

No, he's okay.

Craig sent the question of who's the hottest old guy ever in a romantic comedy when we were talking about this movie.

Right.

My mind went to Michael Douglas and American President.

Yeah.

Huge, huge.

early Mina Kimes.

Yeah.

Dream crush.

It's also the first time that I saw Michael Douglas in a movie just because of how old I am.

So then I went backwards and saw that's 95.

But like, I didn't see

Basic Instinct or Fatal Attraction until after that.

So I was, yeah, well, I know, but I was a little taken aback.

You know, I was a little disappointed in Michael Douglas.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hottest old guy.

I mean, it's got to be the oldest Harrison Ford was ever in a rom-com.

Yeah, but I was going to say, if you didn't say Harrison Ford, Mallory is going to come charging through the game.

He was pretty old.

Yeah, I mean, he's older and working girl.

Morning Glory, he is like the old fuddy duddy, but then he makes a frittata, you know.

So,

God love him so much.

Poor went out to James Gandalfini and enough said.

Oh, that is that's a very important one.

It's really good.

It's a good movie.

Amazing movie.

Tom Hanks, yeah,

is two parts shy of movies like this in the 2000s?

Yeah, in the 21st century.

He's the Steve Martin recast, right?

He should have been.

Yeah, but he should have just done two of these.

Just to get over yourself, Tom Hanks.

I know, but I think he wanted to.

He should be like part number three in a rom-com.

Like, why not?

Because I think he, like, he did all the Nora Efrons in the 90s.

I know, I guess.

He wanted to break out, I guess.

That's fine.

Best that guy.

So.

The anniversary guy in the very beginning of the movie when he was with Nora Dunn to toasting.

Nora Dunn was that guy for me.

She's Nora Dunn though.

Yeah, but still has like, what's Nora Dunn doing?

Her husband in the movie is the guy from Two Jillian on her 37th birthday.

Oh, is it really?

With my queen, Michelle Pfeiffer.

She's their friend.

Would not be that.

I'm probably the only person who knows that.

I know.

I hear that.

That's why.

Yeah, my answer was Nora Dunn, but that seems when we do the Michelle Pfeiffer mountain.

of just the movies where she reaches queen status, I think that's Fabulous Baker Boys is here and then we get there.

Where's What Lies Venice?

She's just a dead ghost.

Do do you know what happens in that movie?

Do you know what happens in that movie?

I was traumatized by the movie.

I saw it in the theaters.

It was the first carrying movie.

What lies beneath?

No, to Jillian or 37.

Oh, pardon me.

I don't think I've seen that.

She's married to Peter Gallagher and she dies.

And he goes to Nantucket the next year with the whole crew, but he still is so in love with Michelle Pfeiffer that he just wanders on the beach and talks to her ghost because I would do the same thing if I had been married to her.

That's not the answer to the best that guy, though.

From Succession, the guy who played Ravenhead,

Hitler-loving anchor, is the New York City hotel clerk in the beginning.

Wow.

Wow.

Ravenhead.

Another succession called that.

There you go.

There you go.

I guess the Nancy Myers to Succession plotline is not the most surprising thing.

He had the same name as Hitler's dog for his dog, but it was different spelling.

Okay.

On Succession.

And Succession.

I remember that tidbit.

Deion Waiter's a word.

Lake Bell eligible.

Not in that movie.

She's in four scenes.

Yeah.

Pedro, the little kid.

He's doing a lot of important work.

Pedro's really good.

When he's like, why did you take your cell phone?

Pedro might be the answer.

Yeah, it was a funny moment.

And then when Alec Baldwin later says, you know, I've got a five-year-old at home.

And also Pedro, it's a great laugh line.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Recasting Couch Director City.

I have Chris Pratt as the youngest son.

And it's a good era.

2009, Chris Pratt.

Yeah, when Chris Pratt was a little chubby, had a sense of humor, was popping in different rom-coms, brought something to the table.

It's in five-year engagement.

But he doesn't have to play, like, and then he just plays like no, he has no problems.

He's just funny looking.

He's getting a couple jokes off.

One of these three characters.

I don't think anyone's bringing anything to the table in these roles.

Yeah.

These thankfulness.

That's why I'm bringing in Chris Pratt.

Who do you have?

Well, Chris Pratt plus John Krasinski is like a little bit too much NBC late 2000s comedy night,

plus Alec Baldwin and 30 Rock, you know, it's

that might overload it.

Juliet

chimed in because I had to clear with her that we were doing this.

Yeah, she's on maternity leave.

Just wanted to make sure she doesn't threaten in any way.

Yeah.

Loves Nancy Myers.

She said, just make sure you kill Krasinski during the podcast.

Yeah.

I knew that she'd say that.

That was her.

Does she think he's bad in this movie?

I don't think, I think that she

has had her fill.

Yeah.

I think she's John Krasinski.

I think she's good.

This, to me, harkens back to a time when I liked him more and it felt like he was.

Yeah, I missed this version of John.

Like, I was watching this and thinking, like, oh, yeah, I found him so charming.

Yeah.

Then Adam Brody in that part, maybe?

Definitely.

Definitely.

Yeah, absolutely.

Same vibe.

Craig, you have a flex category.

I wanted to go back to Amanda brought it up earlier, but I wanted to

hash out what the hottest job of a male love interest in a rom-com could be oh because i think great topic steve martin as architect is certainly up there architect is a traditional yeah we have perhaps like a like a male pediatrician there's the journalist is always in these movies perhaps a chef How about Delmit Mulroney and my best friend's wedding, sportswriter, but son of the owner of the

Chicago Cubs, but also a sportswriter trying to forge his own way.

But he won't take a job.

Won't take a job with the team.

So she has to

grounded rich guy.

Yeah, grounded rich guy.

Yeah.

But still probably going to fix it.

Tom Hanks is a grounded rich guy, and you've got male.

Same kind of eyebrows.

Grounded bookstore.

Yeah, I mean, he's the

right, right, right.

But now Barnes and Noble is basically a bank rep, so it's okay again to like.

So you would say

architect is probably on the Mount Rushmore.

Yeah, for sure.

Architect's a good one.

Why?

What is it about?

Because it's a job that everybody wants when they're like 12.

It seems creative.

It's creative, but still practical.

Yes.

You're working with your hands a little bit.

Yeah.

Yes.

What about like Don Draper, like running your own ad agency where you get to do pitches to clients?

You know, Ramarade's coming in.

I do think, I think Don Draper has sort of ruined that.

Don Draper himself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's like, you know, what comes with it, which is womanizing and zoobie-zoobie-zoo.

Defense attorney?

I don't know if it's lawyer.

Lawyers or businessmen.

What about stay-at-home dad whose wife has passed away it's gotta have a job sure

it's very hard to be the male lead of a romantic comedy if you're unemployed chef right chef um

i'm trying to think so thinking of some of the classics yeah jobs changing right right right but then

burnt that's not really romantic comedy the movie chef

you know oh sure

What about a vet?

What's his job in Sleepless in Seattle?

I think he's an architect.

That's right.

I think so.

How about, well, this isn't totally rom-com, but Campbell Scott and Singles, would say, like, a building planner?

There's like a city planner.

Yeah.

Planning like

transport

urban planner.

Sure.

How about sports jams?

The sports agent and sports is out.

Sports doctor, Bill Hayter, and Trainwreck.

Sports Doctor.

That's a good one.

He's like a good surgeon.

He's kind of like good veterinarian.

And it's also just from like a work-life balance.

Then you get too close to

everything romantic comedy stand for.

I think Nancy knew that it's architect, which is why she gave it to Steve Martin's character because he needed as much help as he could get.

How about Oil Billionaire?

No?

Half-hass internet research.

In the scene where Jake...

where Jane answers a phone call from her daughter and Jake kisses her.

Jake wasn't supposed to kiss her, and she screwed up and said the wrong line, and they kept her in the movie because they thought it was funny.

I always like that.

Baldwin said they used a body double for his nude scene.

Yeah, no joke.

And then

a lot of this movie was filmed in New York.

It's kind of depressing.

Yeah, what is that about?

A lot of soundstage interiors.

I know.

And then they used a wide shot of Thousand Oaks.

Probably because Thousand Oaks is 100 degrees.

And

they did some Montecedo and Santa Barbara, and that's it.

Yeah, Apex Mountain, okay.

It's no for Meryl Streep.

I don't know what her Apex Mountain was, and she probably just is on top of the mountain just with chilling.

Yeah, I don't know if she even had an Apex Mountain.

I'm kind of with you on Devil Where's Prada, yeah, it's like the two versions of her, right?

Like early Meryl Streep is like mid-80s, and then second career is like the Tom Brady

283 game.

You could argue she does devil wears product and then does mama mia which makes like almost a billion dollars and leading to this and then financial iron lady

she just i was kind of saying this when you talked about brady but she didn't have a dead period there's like no skips on her like every decade she has classics she still make like Don't Look Up, which is a flawed movie.

She's so funny in it in a small role.

I mean, she's just big

RIP, big little lies.

She was so good at it.

She was so funny.

And otherwise, I don't know what happened, but you know, I literally actually blacked out the entire series.

The only thing I remember from the season that you and I recapped is Meryl Streep screaming at the table.

I missed that show.

Are they going to, did they make a third season or have they just talked about it?

They're making it just as different shows that are on like Hulu.

Right.

Where it's like Nancy Meyer, yeah.

It's like, what if Nancy Myers went super dark?

Yeah, you get I

would watch all of it, but I still don't actually remember how it ended.

All blank.

Realtor for best rom-com job?

It's not bad.

Own your own real estate place.

It's not bad.

It's no architect.

Like, what about like

corporate real estate?

Yeah, like real estate investor.

Building that.

Building office buildings.

Yeah.

I got a humdinger here.

Ready?

Marine biologist.

Yeah, but then so never seen one.

So Sandra Bullock.

Because you're like animal lovers.

That's just what kids want to be when you're.

You're just thinking about what kids want to be when they can't.

That's what these characters are.

Two weeks notice.

Sorry, Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant, I think pretty underrated, even though Donald Trump is in it.

They call her boyfriend that she never sees, and it's not a real relationship, is a marine biologist, I think, for like

sea piece or something.

And so he's never around.

So that's the thing about marine biologists is they're unavailable.

Female emotionally.

Female job in a rom-com sports writer.

There's been a few over the years.

Oh, yeah.

It's happened a few times, which I feel like.

Were any of them good?

No.

At sports writing?

Oh, obviously, the movies.

I don't think there's any good ones with female sports writers.

Is Zoe Deutsch in Set It Up?

Yes, she wants to be a sports writer.

Right?

Yeah, yeah.

Remember that's the one with the rare good rom-com fake ringers.

Yeah,

I remember that.

That movie, it's one of the best fake rom-comspin, wasn't it?

Was it fake ringer or fake granland?

It was during ringer time, but you know, probably with turnaround, it's fake groundland.

They didn't have podcasts.

What would be the best ESPN job for a rom-com?

For the man or the walking head.

It could be either.

Could it be PTI co-host?

Rom-com, Can't Find Love in Washington.

Sideline Reporter?

Sideline Reporter is the answer.

Yeah, because you set up so much.

For either sex, that's the perfect thing.

For either sex, you set up so many funny moments with players.

This is why Trainwreck, I think, made him a sports doctor for the setup, the set pieces that came out of that, and also to get LeBron James in the movie.

I thought LeBron was good in it.

LeBron was good was good in that movie.

I support LeBron's performance.

One of the better athlete acting pieces.

Alec Baldwin, Apex Mountain.

It might be

with this and 30 Rock at the same time and SNL.

And he's like, Yeah, his character.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Steve Martin, no.

Steve Martin's Apex was the late 70s when he had the jerk and the number one comedy album and was selling out Arena's Everywhere and was the best SNL host.

Yeah.

Yeah.

His and Her Sinks.

Apex Mountain.

Oh, well,

has there been more conversation about his and her sinks in a movie ever?

I'm literally thinking through the other Nancy Michaels.

I thought she made a good case about

just makes you feel bad.

Yeah, but then Steve Martin says, well, maybe you might want to.

I got to tell you, though,

we finally got his and her sinks after

just not waiting to brush your teeth is absolutely it's the little things, you know, that change your life.

Are you guilty of the same creep as I am where my stuff is just slowly migrated over and taken over the internet?

That's the thing.

The double sink situation.

We actually have separate,

like,

there's a bake, like separate basins and the counter doesn't go.

No, it's,

but then I do use Zach's sometimes for like other stuff because mine is like full of everything.

And so then I got to go over and use his counter space.

Nancy Myers.

I think it's the holiday.

Well, the holidays

make like a shitload of money.

Yeah.

Did it?

It's got to be the holiday.

I thought it did.

I think that, I think that's.

it's something's gotta give yeah i think because i let's do nancy meyers box office really quickly because if i recall the holiday holiday crushed nancy i'm i might be they all make about 200 million well i think that's true but i think the holiday was a little bit lower in um domestically and then all right so we'll go something's gotta give something's gotta give also gets

more at nominations yeah and acting i mean something's gotta give is a better movie i love this movie i'm yeah thrilled to re-watch it, but I actually re-watched Something's Gotta Give this weekend as well.

Oh, look at him.

I'm a completist.

And if that was actually kind of a mistake, because the compare, when you watch them back to back,

Something's Gotta Give is slightly better.

Yeah.

I think I agree with that.

I mean, it is, but performance is.

But I enjoy this movie more because it's funnier and there's more stuff to make fun of.

I'm with you 100%.

We're looking at three zombie unemployed kids and Something's Gotta Give.

Divorce couple movies?

Not the apex, but where the couple is still, it centers around the couple being divorced but still being together.

Yeah.

I mean,

sorry to be Sean for a second, but then there is like a whole.

Well, you go the 50s, 60s.

Yeah, the comedy of remarriage.

Like his Girl Friday, they're divorced, you know, and then they wind up.

I thought the greatest thing you did there was sorry to be Sean there for a second, which somehow found insulting, which I love.

I was like, I know she's going to say something pretentious.

Yeah, no idea.

And I don't know what direction.

Good movie.

I thought you were going to go some French movie or like a separation, the Iranian movie about divorce, which is amazing.

Yeah, no, just like basically in the 40s and 50s.

His Girl Friday, I think Nancy Myers has said, is like one of her greatest influences as a film.

It shows I'm all of the screwball comedies.

Philadelphia story.

Yeah.

Krasinski.

No.

No, but close.

It's not the quiet place.

I mean, they did that.

That's a great point.

I forgot about that.

Yeah.

And marrying Emily Blunt.

I do like this version of Krasinski.

I'm good with.

Yeah.

I didn't like when whatever this new version was.

Chris Pratt ruined him because he saw what Chris Pratt did.

Yeah.

And then was like, I can do that.

And who's the other guy?

Camille?

Nanjiani?

Yeah, when he did the superhero movie.

And then all of a sudden he got ripped.

Anyone who's like, look how buff I am now, he's just like, put a fucking clock on that when that's going to go badly.

Nancy Meyers Houses.

Probably the holiday that won't be hit.

Oh, the Cotswolds?

Yeah.

The British house.

Yeah, that's pretty great.

Yeah.

This is the best kitchen.

I agree with that.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

The something's got to give kitchen, guys.

Come on.

It's got that.

But this, the something's got to give.

It's got the island.

And then it also has like the wraparound counter.

So you can use the island for cooking.

Plus, people can be sitting at the counter.

There's more storage space.

I don't want to get into it, but there are cabinets, you know?

I think it's just, it's, it's roomy.

It's a little more conventional.

Yeah.

it is it is this is this is lived in but like she does have I like my keya storage thing on the okay.

Well, now we just have unlock your dream bathroom mats.

Oh man, look at the internet thing's gotta get kitchen we are looking at yeah

I know do you know in real life Nancy does two kitchen islands Did you know this?

Yeah, she has one for cooking and one for cooking.

She does love the islands.

So do I you guys I'm sure have read or heard her speak about being like having mixed feelings about the fact that people are so obsessed with the interiors in our movies or that really?

I would think she's not.

Yeah, she doesn't like it all.

Because I think she finds it reductive.

And I think to the review that Mina, or the reviews that Mina was talking about, like, it is often discussed as

fluff as opposed to

chicks.

It's for

escapism.

Not with respect to the music.

Nancy, if you're listening, please don't feel that way.

Yeah, Nancy, this is hard work.

This is production design.

It's like, it is is actual, it's character development.

I, it's, she has a gift.

I feel, again, to go back to like the gen wick analogy of a genre film, it is like a beautifully choreographed fight.

Like it's like it's taking an element of a genre film and cranking it up to 11 and doing it in a better level than anyone else.

Yeah.

Nancy shouldn't feel that way.

It's like.

My mispronunciations and factual errors that the audience enjoys.

Yeah.

I embrace it.

I'm super happy that they can share that with me.

Croque monsieur.

One more time.

Croque.

That might have been my toughest whatever.

Monsieur.

I think it's

monsieur.

Croque couldn't say it either.

I think it's like monsieur,

but it's like, even though it's spelled M-O-N.

Yeah.

I don't know.

On my first date with my husband, I

confidently ordered broccoli rabe.

Oh, yeah.

And have gotten shit about that for ever.

I think ever.

Forever, I thought it was Tame and Paula instead of Tame and Paula.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I just, I didn't hear it said outside for a long time.

And then I just, that's what I thought.

Anyway, we're all here.

The mispronunciation things are so funny.

Yeah.

We, we were in a wedding in Pittsburgh and one of my college roommates, Blue Boy, we drove by Duquesne University and he said, hey, it's Duke'sny.

We still, 30 years later, it still comes up.

Like, can't get enough of it.

Lake Bell, Caitlin Fitzgerald, no, Zoe Kazan, no.

And we'll go to Cruise or Hanks.

I think this is a Hanks movie.

Yeah, a thousand percent.

I didn't cruise in this movie.

I don't know

any part of this.

Hanks runs away away with it like totally would have been a good but then there yeah but like maybe there's less tension yeah scorsese or spielberg spielberg oh i think scorsese give me a gritty version give me like

santa barbara well maybe maybe it's not santa barbara's main streamer is yeah maybe it's new york but she like doesn't know what to do and she's spiraling out spiraling out and like the one joint becomes pot turns into cocaine yeah and it's just like what do i do i like up my whole life and now i'm you know

sleeping with myself

playing yeah then the kids are actually screwed up does the head bob yeah there we go she's already kind of doing the head bob just for different reasons what role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played the Steve Martin part would have been interesting

plastic surgeon

oh he would be so funny at that He could have also young Philip Seymour Hoffman as the youngest kid sure

casting that guy um picky nets why did they break up in the first place

I don't know seemed like they had a lot of chemistry I guess he just got a little randy with

Agnes.

And then, why did he marry Agnes?

It's very confusing.

It seems like she

and then she cheated on him with somebody else.

And then they're just like, yeah, that's weird.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

It's a little

bit of a throw that in to not to make us not feel sorry for her.

Not that we should, anyways, because she is already the other woman.

But I think that little bit of biographical data is so that we as the audience have total permission to be like, screw that woman.

Yeah.

She was complicit in one affair.

She had another affair.

It's not even his kid.

Like, if it was his kid, I actually think we would have felt maybe a little bit differently about him skipping out on

them.

There's a lot of moves to make us not like her over two hours

in this movie.

Yeah.

Krasinski's pick and knit.

Krasinski's definitely telling his wife immediately.

I just saw your dad and your mom going up into a hotel elevator and they're about to fuck.

And you should know this right now.

Nobody's hiding that information.

You don't hide from your spouses like that especially that because it's not that what's the inside

there's not it's not actually like bad well

i'd like i wouldn't i i would way be able to tell my wife that this just happened

that i don't have any information like this in my real life but i am thinking a little bit about

i don't know

stacy just got into the mix he's like what's like he's leaning in

there are some things where to protect the other person.

It's like, do you need to know this thing that's going to just like freak you out for no reason?

There's something wrong with her, which there might be the way they prove it.

We're drawing a line here.

Yeah.

Which is there's two types of people and Bill and I both love being the purveyors of gossip.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tracy relationship is built on this foundation.

I love nothing more than going to the group chat with like a

I mean, sure, I love also having gossip and sharing the gossip, but like she would probably have a meltdown as she eventually does.

So does she?

Like she put pajamas on outside for one minute.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I guess I would tell the person, but I don't know if I would run.

It wouldn't feel like I found out this amazing story about like someone else's marriage or someone else's something.

You know what I mean?

It would feel a little bit more like, I got to tell you this thing that's going on.

His father-in-law and his mother-in-law sneaking up this elevator to go, fuck each other.

Like, he's definitely telling his.

Yeah, he is, but I don't think he's going to be like,

Can you like, you know, it's

not like the

CLS.

I would be texting as I'm walking away from them to twist.

Yeah, I don't think that I would be Meryl being like, I'm having an affair with Agnes Adler's husband.

You know, I would tell my partner, I would tell it as a blind item to people I know who have never met them.

You would not be like, What just happened to me?

I'd post a Reddit thread.

Any other pick and nits?

We did a lot already.

I have one.

Do we think the laptop scene was believable?

Like the, like the,

whatever they're in 2009, are they like eye-chatting or video shooting?

Oh, yeah, it was.

They were very quick to like Skyping or whatever that you were doing.

Alec Baldwin, the computer's open there.

Yeah.

He sees it.

He's looking straight at it.

And he's I didn't understand what he's trying to do in that scene.

I guess he's like,

he's seducing like that, but it's like a fig leaf, but instead of a fig leaf, it's a computer screen.

Even in 2009, surely you would look at the computer screen before putting your job in front of it.

I agree with all of that.

I have my nitpick is like a two seconds later in that very scene, which is just like the butt double that you mentioned, like, yes, as smooth as a baby's bottom.

And that's just not very convincing given the amount of body hair that we're seeing on the rest of Alec Baldwin.

Yeah, it's just, it's a very obvious butt double.

I have one more also.

Chocolate croissants are usually square.

Thank you.

They are.

And they roll them up.

Yeah, they're like Pillsbury dough things.

But when you, I, you know, I bought one yesterday and it was, it was square.

It was delicious.

They're really great.

They're so good.

They're really, really delicious.

There's never enough chocolate for me.

I'm always like eating around it.

Well, I think that's what was the secret with her with in the movie.

Real streets chocolate.

Jane's croissant.

I think there's a lot of chocolate in the chest.

Also, it takes like days to make a croissant.

Does it?

You got to let the dough sit.

You You don't just crank a croissant out.

Well, then maybe that dough was already there.

Do you see them mixing the dough?

Yeah, she's running the dough through the thing to thin it out.

Well, yeah, but maybe that dough was made and set and then she's thinning it out before they are handling the dough a lot for what I, I'm not an expert.

For like a midnight croissant, one, it's perfect.

You're not supposed to get that handsy with dough, as I understand it.

It toughens it up.

Anyway.

My thing is for the amount of time it takes to make a cookie versus the amount of time it makes to, it takes to make a croissant.

Yeah.

The disparity of quality is not worth the extra time.

I'd rather just have the cookie.

You just have a really good chocolate chip cookie versus like, I'm going to spend three more days making this chocolate croissant.

The patient thing for them to do is to hide people.

Totally.

I have been almost shunned from my family for having a box of baked goods, taking a chocolate croissant and just taking out the chocolate part and eating the chocolate chip.

Because I don't want to eat the rest of it.

You don't eat like a strip in the middle of chocolate.

Yeah,

rip off the other sides of it.

I'll do that with the bottom of the croissant because that's where the chocolate and the butter meet the pan.

And so the dough is extra chocolatey buttery.

Oh, you want to eat the top?

I know.

Sequel, prequel, Prestige to be all blackcast or untouchable.

I'd actually be in for the all-blackcast for this one.

I think I can run that back.

I got kind of excited thinking about it.

Maybe that's what Netflix.

could do.

I would also watch a prequel that is why they got divorced.

I mean, and it would be gnarly, it wouldn't feel as good.

That's Kramer versus Kramer.

It is sort of Kramer versus Kramer, but you know, whatever's the whole Santa Barbara scene, the affair, what's whatever's going on with Lake Bell, I'd watch it.

Her movies never really put you in the pain, yeah.

And I think that's part of why they're so enjoyable to re-watch.

It's like, I'm never going to feel that bad.

But the worst I'm going to feel is when, at the very end, like, oh, Alec Balden's not going to get Vaichi Karma.

Yeah, yeah,

that's it.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trail, Dorisberg, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainboo, Long Legs,

or Wilford Brimley

in the firm?

Since Mina said, we got to do football.

I think Tony Romo

doing the laptop.

No, Tony Romo announcing the laptop scene.

Oh, yeah.

That's Jimmy.

Let's get this, Benjamin.

He's going for it.

I happen.

I was also thinking football, but what about Chris Collinsworth just at the bakery ordering?

Like in a little corner mask.

Oh my.

You can see it, right?

Look at these chocolate croissants, Mike.

They look so good.

Here is the guy.

Oh, man.

He has a little bit of a romantic comedy energy to him.

Chris Collinsworth.

You can see him.

Oh, man.

This bakery smells so good, Mike.

Football's coming back, Craig.

Collinsworth is a sneaky Liz Kelly crush.

Really?

Wow.

He's got a silver fox.

We're less than, what are we, eight weeks away now?

As we take this on Monday, July 7th?

I did division previews this week.

Holy mackerel.

Just one Oscar.

Who gets it?

Interesting question.

You could go Bobby.

It's a classic supporting actor.

Fun one.

I'm for it.

Do you want to quickly go through the 2010 Oscars?

Yeah.

Of course.

Who we go 2000.

I'm always so confused with the Oscars.

It's like the Super Bowl.

There we go.

Yeah, like what do we call it?

The 2019

season.

All right, sporting actor.

Wow.

Christophe Waltz, bastards.

Yeah, I mean, he should win.

Stanley Tucci, lovely bones.

Yeah, we could replace it.

Christopher Plummer and the last station.

Woody Harrelson and the messenger of Matt Damon and Invictus.

What the hell is going on there?

Jesus.

Baldwin could have snuck in there.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Glad we did that.

Probably an answerable question.

Does

Jack have a job?

What's his job?

Does he have an office?

Where's he going?

Has time to just drive, hang out in his wife's driveway?

Jake?

Jake?

Jake.

He's a lawyer, right?

He made partner.

Did I say Jack?

Yeah, you said Jack.

The gas is really starting to get the gasoline in my sleeve.

Jake.

Jake, that's not a good thing.

You're going to have a lot of time.

Yeah.

I mean, what kind of lawyer and what kind of business

Santa Barbara firm seeing?

Like, what all the people who have money in Santa Barbara, what's it from?

Like oil, air.

There's probably a lot of like real estate disputes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trying to sue couple of people.

I have a friend who grew up there with money and his dad is a lawyer.

No, his mom is a lawyer and his dad is a doctor.

Oh, okay.

I think that's it.

I think it's like doctors and lawyers.

Oh, wow.

And retired people.

Is this the Meryl Streep laugh record for a movie?

I think it has to be.

It's like over 120 Meryl Streep.

Yeah, probably.

Nervous laughs, funny laughs.

Like one to two a minute.

Like

1.12

laughs per minute.

Yeah.

In this.

I have one more If you guys have any, if you either of you have one, I have a really good one.

What is it?

I mean, I do.

I would.

That's probably an answerable question.

I would like to know what's in the noodle thing that they talk about and fight over at the end.

I thought it might, they show a pasta salad earlier, and I was thinking maybe the green one, like the pesto, the cherry tomatoes looking

at it.

Well, it was, yeah.

All right, here's my unanswerable question: Should it be okay to have an affair with your ex-wife?

Like,

so you're remarried or ex-wife i have plotted so should the first wife have territorial dibs for eternity regardless of what happens with future marriages i okay so you guys are this you're in the this is your yeah this is the kind of content you need crazy yeah yeah

uh

my take is this kind of connecting we were talking about lake bell's character

if the second wife is who you left her for

green light green so oh that woman that's okay good was yeah yeah yeah she knew what she was buying into yes if however you get divorced you met someone else not cool so it has to be some sort of connection to the first marriage i think that's pretty is that fair yeah yes

i think i agree with that i'm i'm okay with it no one watching this movie feels an ounce of sympathy for like bill's character at any point and the movie takes great pains but if he had they gotten divorced and he had just married some like school teacher who's like a kindergarten teacher and then yeah then you you start feeling bad would okay let me refer okay the age factor what if he was with a woman his age i still think i you made the key distinction which is if

if the spouse cheated with the new you know the new spouse yeah

then the like the other person the third person is fair game.

Maybe it doesn't have divs, but it's not bad.

You're not a bad person.

I'm really glad we talked this out.

yeah what piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie it can't be any of the food because food or the house keep or the house yeah or

um

garden hat

meryl's garden hat i thought it looked pretty good i told you i'm in the market for a wider brimmed hat are you gardening

we're trying we're doing some

terrace yeah no i mean like listen we already had to get rid of one plant but listen they teach the children to garden at like yeah in preschool now so my son has a little basil plant that he wants to, so we're trying to keep one thing alive for Knox.

I didn't have an answer for this one.

I wouldn't want any memorialia from this movie.

All right.

Couldn't come up with one thing.

The cars aren't eligible either, right?

I thought like the fake joints they use for this could be fun.

Yeah.

But I don't know where you would, like, who would I show that to?

Right.

Well, what about

come into my study?

The fake joint from it's complicated.

I don't know.

Do you garden?

Maybe the sign of the was there a sign of the bakery she owned?

I don't think they show the outside of it ever, only the inside.

I don't garden.

Okay.

But I, you know, I bake, but no gardening.

Yeah.

The Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson.

I think it's okay to hook up with your ex-husband if she,

if he's with the person that

he had the affair with.

I think we've just figured that out.

I think that's now a life lesson.

Okay, that's good.

That's important.

Best double feature choice, Mina.

What do you have?

And is this movie first or second in the double feature?

It's something's gotta give.

I would not watch this if something's gotta give, actually.

You wouldn't.

That is my recommendation.

After doing, literally doing that this weekend, do not do it.

They're too similar, and this movie does not benefit from the comparison.

Okay.

I think it is Kramer, Kramer, Kramer versus Kramer, and this movie would actually be a very funny double feature.

That's a good one.

The Meryl divorce.

Yeah.

That's classics.

I have a

slightly lighter weight one, which is Julie versus Julia and Julia.

She's the same year.

Also, Meryl Streep.

You get one lesser but still enjoyable Nora Efron, one

like

mid-tier but great Nancy Myers.

Okay.

Same era.

Compare and contrast.

And I have a great time.

I've got even irreconcilable differences.

Oh, that's a good one.

Which is not available.

Yeah, which is impossible to see.

God hates us.

Who won the movie?

Baldwin?

Yeah.

I think Baldwin won the movie.

As good as Streep, as likable as she is in in it, I think he's just really great in this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Especially like someone whose reputation, like I hadn't seen this movie since 2009 until re-watched, or no, I'd seen it maybe once since then, but it's been a while.

Rewatching it, I was shocked by how good he is in it.

And I remember thinking at the time, but it's like, oh, my God, what a performance.

Craig, who won the movie?

Baldwin, for sure.

Okay.

What do you think, Craig?

Your thoughts?

I've seen this movie a couple of times.

It's great.

Super enjoyable.

I think it was better this time than when I had last watched it.

Poor Ebert just didn't know what was coming.

I mean, there was probably only five good rom-coms after this movie since it, right?

I mean,

there's just not a lot out there.

And I think he was, it was a little bit of an embarrassment of riches of rom-coms for a while.

It was slowing down, I think, in the 2000s.

But I also think this movie is like more about food than any movie that's not explicitly about food.

Like I just, so many of the relationships are surrounded by food.

I love the subtext of like, and I just noticed this this time, like the way Baldwin's character eats and interacts with her food versus how Steve Martin's character eats and interacts with her food is like very indicative of their relationships and the way they interact with one another.

Even like the family,

there's just so many, like the late night snacking after the, after the family dinner where they're all at the fridge, like eating the leftovers around the island.

The dinner party, her serving everybody, the late night ice cream, the drunk croissant.

I just think this is one of the best food movies ever and it's not really about food at all.

Are you saying it feels like everyone else is like entitled to her food and they expect it to just be around and

how they

i finished it and how indulgent he is with it yeah yeah and him like coming over and eating the croque monsieur yeah even though it was like steve martins he doesn't give a shit yeah um yeah it's great it's a mom-com the youngest son is just smiling like a psychopath as he eats leftover drinks yeah

thinks about killing people

i had a title idea this was actually the title of a rom-com that came five years later which i never saw but meryl streep in this movie refers to herself now as the other woman, which I thought would have been a good title.

The other woman is the rom-com that's not as good.

That's a good one, yeah.

And it is not as good.

And she calls herself a favorite.

Yeah, I mean, it's funny.

Who's in that one?

It's Brooklyn Decker, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What you're talking about.

Oh, Kate Upton?

It's Kate Upton.

Is it?

Yeah, it's Kate Upton.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Well, I apologize.

Is it Leslie?

Who's the other woman?

My wife likes that movie.

Cameron Diaz.

The sweetest thing is a big

favorite for her.

Although she likes every rom-com.

I don't even know if it's, it's just, she likes all of them.

Yeah.

It's the biggest casualty of streaming, right?

The rom-com.

It'll never come back.

They've just got, they're bad now.

They just, they won't sit up.

They've given up.

It's really good, I thought.

It was.

The Glenn Powell pre-pandemic eight years ago.

Yeah.

Jeez.

Palm Springs, I thought, was good.

It was good.

That was the last one.

Yeah, that was 2020.

That's the last good one that I got.

That's also like a genre.

Like that, Sidney Sweeney.

We love Glenn Powell here in the ReWatch Balls, but that movie was bad.

One of the worst movies I've ever seen seen in my life.

It's really bad.

And I say that as someone who loves rom-coms.

So many plot points in that movie hinge on someone overhearing something.

Right.

Yeah, it's bad.

My daughter loved it and saw it like 10 times.

Maybe that's your answer.

You know, that's the problem.

The other one is

they won't give Nancy the money to make her movie.

Give Nancy the money.

Give Nancy.

All of these movies are good.

She was getting crazy budgets.

80 million for Somethings Out of Give and 03.

That was more than the Matrix budget.

Yeah, but then it made 03.

Which movie has stood the test of time?

We're going to listen.

Hydrangeas too.

No one doling it out.

Hydrangeas are expensive, and that volume to have on set every day is what it costs.

It is insane to spend $180 million on a Nathan Myers movie.

Kannarius is also better in Something's Gotta Give than he was in The Matrix.

That's my hottest.

Chad is that there we go.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So good.

He is an incredible performer.

The perfect younger man.

I can't believe he's good.

She wanted $180 for her.

That's like twice Sinner's budget.

Well, but she was, it was Netflix.

They were going to have to pay everyone in advance or something.

I don't know.

I must have an agent who was just like, I think I can get him to work.

Well, she got big stars.

That's like Scarlett Johansson.

A lot of it's an actor.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thanks to Craig and Jack and Ronick,

Amanda.

It's good to have you back in the fold.

It's really nice to be here.

Mina Kimes, first time in a while, first one in person.

You'll do this again with us.

An honor to talk about.

Oh, my God.

You texted me.

Do you like It's Complicated?

Nancy Myers.

And I was like, this is the moment I've been waiting my whole life for.

I know.

It's really, really exciting when you get one of those texts.

Just when I'm like feeling you out for the movie.

Yeah, but like

the two I've gotten were Working Girl and then It's Complicated in a Row.

Like, I'm living my dreams.

I knew that, but I knew you loved Working Girl.

I know.

That's like your favorite movie.

It's really exciting to get to talk about the movies.

All right.

Good to see you both.

Thank you.