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Here I am.

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Flew in to do a little Jaws 2.

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water.

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Jaws 2.

Next.

The legend continues, but no one sees it.

Chief Brody.

The legend continues, but no one believes it.

That's a shark.

And I know what a shark looks like because I've seen one up close.

You better do something about this one because I don't intend to go through that hell again.

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Jaws 2.

Served on this for a while.

I, for some reason, own this as a 4K Blu-ray.

Nice.

I love this movie.

The first hour is pretty rough.

It's slow.

I'd use the word slow.

Yep.

Yep.

And then it becomes amazing.

I think we did Die Hard with a Vengeance a couple weeks ago.

If you took the first 80 minutes of Die Hard with a Vengeance and then merged it into the last 45 minutes of Joshua Harry.

That'd be a really summer movie.

Yeah, if they go out to Far Rockaway and there's shark attacks happening and that's the final Simon Sean.

Put that sandwich board on that shark.

See what happens in Harlem.

You know, it could be a problem.

That'd be quite a scene.

That's the way to connect it to New York months.

This movie ultimately gets there as a sequel.

I really fully, completely support the last 45 minutes.

There's just some awesome shark kills and that's kind of all you need.

The shark kills are fucking awesome in this movie.

There's a couple.

Whoa, I can't believe they did that.

Murders.

And they're hanging out murders.

In the background, Dazed and Confused is happening.

Yes.

So good.

I think it's four movies.

This is what I wrote down.

It's a slasher teen movie.

It's a PTSD damaged hero movie.

It's a late 70s teenage beach hangout sailing movie.

And then it's a shark movie.

Yeah.

What's your favorite out of those four?

I think probably the slasher monster movie side of it.

Like the idea that this shark is just marauding around and thinking of new creative ways to kill teenagers.

It's basically Myers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just three months before Michael Myers, right?

This is like, this is the true forerunner to what horror movies would be for the next 10 years.

It kind of invents it.

There's a little bit of teenagers in peril.

Yeah.

There's a little bit of a detective movie, too, because for about 40 minutes.

Brody's like, what could be causing these weird disappearances in the water?

I have a bad feeling about this.

But, you know, developing the film, all the stuff that he has to do.

Yeah.

I have a fifth movie.

It's also, I think, a sorkin-esque portrait of a local politician having a breakdown.

Whatever is going on with the mayor in this movie, I'd like to spend an hour on.

I have a spot in the pod.

So you think this created the Westwick?

You know, like a man who has to go before the public and continue to deny the truth every day of his life.

Who's turned over the keys to Amity to real estate developers somehow yeah he's grooming his son larry vaughn jr

hey larry you're my son larry larry jr

um

do you want to do i we probably did this in the first jaws movie but the amity cape cod long island like whatever's going on i mean shot in the vineyard right but it i guess it's supposed to be long island isn't that the idea but then mostly shot in florida it's just it's trying to do a whole bunch of things yeah i it's a familiar milieu you know my dad lived on the beach when I was a kid, and so I was always going to these communities.

But he was not a beach cop.

Did he ever have any aspirations or ambitions to become a Martin Brody-esque sky?

Seems like a great job.

Well, I have some questions about that, actually, regarding what Brody's been up to in the three years since the original shark attack.

And he's the man of the year.

Yeah.

It sounds like he doesn't he make a reference to like four things happen a year.

It's like I make four arrests a year or something like that.

Yeah.

Man, I have so much to say about this, but like Brody was afraid of the water.

Yeah.

And then he had the most traumatic experience you could ever have on the water.

And then he's like, I think I'll stay near the water.

Like, what the fuck?

Yes.

I'm going to drive my Jeep right on the beach.

Just like move to Glen Cove or something.

You don't have to be in a beach now.

It's okay.

Right.

Well, it's like what we talked about with Diary of the Vengeance.

Also, killing the shark probably sets up some amazing side career for him, like where he could write a book and

go on talk shows, do Dick Cabot.

Yeah, it's a harpoon sponsorship or something.

You have to start asking hard questions about whether Brody was participating in a slush fund scheme with Mayor Larry.

It's true.

You know, whether he was

getting a little tape, wetting his beak a little bit.

There's some beak wetting.

Something is fishy.

You think Ellen Brody is really bringing in the money, being like the town salesman for that real estate developer?

Well, there's some, I guess, a deleted scene that insinuates that Brody gets...

I decided not to watch the deleted scenes because two hours plus of JAWS 2 is enough.

Plus, I watched the entire making of documentary, which I'm excited to talk about.

Um, but apparently, they hint at some Brody's wife with the

boss, like some sort of like romantic maybe that Brody gets been out of shape about, and they smartly took that out of the movie because that would have been an idiot.

You can't disrespect Martin Brody like that.

Well, is the implication that

you know if Ellen is polishing Len's knob, then she's getting like a Christmas bonus?

Like, what's happening?

Like, what is really, what's the quid pro quo there?

He's the chief of police.

It would have been better if Martin was boring the shit out of her telling old war stories about fighting Jaws with Hooper and just being like, man, remember that time in 74 when I killed that fucking shark?

She's just like, all right, we can move on from this.

Why does Ellen even need a job as a glorified secretary for Len?

You know, like, I, this doesn't.

She's a career woman.

It's the late 70s.

Women are in the workplace.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Were they in the workplace?

It doesn't really seem like it.

Yeah.

This guy's like wandering around the beach in a four-piece.

They're not doing any parenting, so they have plenty of time to dedicate to their professional.

I mean, the bigger question, Martin Brody, good hang?

My kind of hang.

My kind of hang?

Yeah, three cigarettes before breaking.

Shows home that it's like you're not sure how drunk he is when dad gets home.

Yeah.

Is dad really drunk or kind of drunk?

No, the car's sideways in the garage.

Scheider is just the shade of an heirloom tomato the whole movie.

It's incredible.

Well, there's great research about how he kind of didn't want to be in the movie,

which we'll get to.

But apparently, he was surly for like the first half of the filming, basically, which I thought was hilarious.

It fits the character very well.

Yeah, you can kind of feel it in some of the scenes where he's just like, put the cue card right there so I can fucking see it.

Let's get this done.

He's still Royce Schider, though.

I mean, honestly, it's like, whether he's reading off cue cards, whether or not he hated being there, like, there's a couple of scenes in there where you're just like, this guy's the fucking best.

Well, we do this every time we do Shidder, but we got to go through his 70s.

Glute, French Connection, Jaws, Marathon Man, sorcerer jaws too all that jazz just ripping them off sneaky shider month here on the show it is a sneaky shider we can do all that jazz next it's it's the summer of shider we're shider july shidder

sounds good well we've already done the good shiddy doing blue thunder you know well we have sorcerers still lingering sorcerer and all that jazz just came out on blu-ray yeah it did did you get that one i certainly did how was it uh it's really good i'm i'm i'm featured on it i don't know if you participated what do you mean i i interviewed james gray on that blu-ray talking about Sorcerer.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

That's really exciting.

It really is.

Congratulations.

Yes.

It was very cool.

It was very fun to do.

Got to get it now.

Yeah.

I saw the Criterion Collection was on sale for 50% off on summer.

It's a great time for sales right now out there.

It really is.

I'm trying to, are any, I mean, all that jazz is also in the Criterion collection, right?

Copped it already.

Yeah.

Shy.

Share loves that one.

Who was supposed to be in all that jazz?

Oh, Dreyfus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Dreyfus isn't in this.

There's a lot of swapping of great big movies and great big parts.

I can't wait to talk about that.

Well, sequels, let's dive into this because Damien Omen 2.

Good movie.

Just got stretched by the Bucs.

You always say it like there's not a colon in the title.

Damien Omen 2.

That's it.

I call Damien Omen 2.

Yeah.

That's good.

Damien.

Was his last name Omen or was he a different last name?

Oh, it's not Omen.

No, it's Omen.

It's Omen.

Is his father Bob Omen?

Damian Omen 2.

Bob Omen the first.

Jaws 2, both June 1978.

So why is this important?

Well, we're starting a sequel boom.

They didn't really do sequels.

They did Bond sequels.

They did those weird airport movies that they put the year of the whatever.

77 after 7.

Glenn Eastwood's Westerns were sort of sequels.

If you go back to the 20s, 30s, 40s, they loved doing sequels.

Then it kind of died off.

1977.

I see you just threw a little chum in the water for Rosillo talking 40s.

Right.

Well, we now we know.

Get Rosillo on a thin man pod.

I'm desperate.

He said he wanted it to be the three of us, but I need you and Ryan looking each other in the eye doing costume.

Watching for two hours.

I need it.

I need it more than I need anything in the world.

All right, we'll do it.

Seriously, I would retire from the Rewagicals if you guys did that.

It would be like we've completed the mission.

77 has Exorcist 2, Bad News Bears, and and Breaking Training, a phenomenal movie.

And Airport 77.

78 has Jaws 2, Omen 2, Bad News Bears 3, go to Japan.

We don't acknowledge that.

Also, Revenge of the Pink Panther, one of the biggest.

And they had a big panther.

79 has Rocky 2,

which becomes as big of a phenomenon as Jaws 2.

And we also get Airport 79, Butch and Sundance prequel and more American graffiti.

And then 80 has Empire Strikes Back, Smokey and and the Bandit 2.

So these are top 10 movies that are sequels.

And then you can just see how it changes where Superman 2, Halloween 2, Friday 13th 2.

In 1982, here are all the sequels.

Rocky 3, Star Trek 2, Friday 13 3, Airplane 2, Halloween 3, Deathwish 2, Grease 2, Amityville 2, and Penitentiary 2.

If you just go by the year.

There's just normal movie titles.

Like you look at like 1975 and it's just movie titles.

And then you get to like the 80s.

Twos, 2s, 80s.

2s, sequels, whatever, and it just changes.

Do you find it comforting or alarming that for your entire life, like that's been the case?

Like, because in some ways, it should give us a little bit of peace when it's like, oh, there's nothing original anymore.

But I don't think there's anything that is

inherently bad about a sequel.

I think, you know, The Empire Strikes Back is remarkable.

Like, it's one of the best movies ever.

Godfather 2 is one of the best movies ever.

I do think that there's a consistency in the ones that you talked about from 77 through 80, where

the number twos

are basically the same as the first film, but worse.

And money grabs.

And they're only made for money.

But the structure of the movie is usually the same.

The director is usually a little less good than the director of the original.

There's usually at least one star missing.

Somebody doesn't show up.

The lead is usually a little bit more begrudging about having to do the movie.

They don't feel as happy about it.

Yeah.

So you just, it's just not as good.

There's a lot more hand-wringing in the stories about the making of these movies.

There's a lot more hand-wringing about like we were waiting for a script that honored the first one or that could live up to the first one we don't have that problem anymore yeah like we're like

get these going you know halfway through the movie they're like yeah just have them shoot the blue fish and let's get to the next scene d'Armus is the ballerina and she is John Wick like let's not worry about this too much yeah but it was it was fascinating to see that the Jaws producers basically

did this because they were like we don't this is going to happen anyway.

So better to be involved and try and make it, you know, on the level of the first one.

Yeah, somebody's doing a shark movie if we don't.

That's what David Brown said.

Do you believe that?

Or do you believe that that was a way to match it?

I believe Universal would make another Jaws movie, don't you?

I mean, it's like a groundbreaking box office success in that way.

Yeah, it's possible.

I just think we've talked about this a bunch of times this year, especially with the Star Wars pod.

I just think this is right around when movies change.

And they look at a movie like Jaws or Star Wars and they're just like, just, let's run that back.

Let's do that again.

I saw Jaws 2 in the theater.

It was another one at the Cleveland Circle Theater.

There you go.

My dad took me.

I was the exact same age, I think, as little Sean

and super scared the last hour of the movie, like really genuinely scared.

The hell, I vividly remember the helicopter thing being like, that was like one of the craziest things I've seen in a movie theater.

It's still really effective.

It's really great.

There's still a few things in this that are really good.

And then fucking Marge

just getting swallowed up by Jaws Jr.

Best killing the movie.

I may have a a contender for that.

Also, holy shit.

I've never seen that shot from behind.

Yeah.

And it's a great invention because you don't have to show her getting quinted.

You know, she just disappears.

Yeah, well, it seemed like they were really worried about the R.

So they had a couple of crunching down things that they ended up cutting out.

But

this was a moment when this came out.

And this movie did really, really well.

And I think it's one of the reasons we started getting more sequels.

This movie fucking killed it, the box office.

It didn't matter if it wasn't as good.

And it kind of got killed critically, right?

Like, it was not well-reviewed at all, it was not, it didn't matter at all, but also then became an absolute staple of early HBO.

I remember this being on a ton when I was a kid, yeah.

Um, well, the Jaws sequels were, but it's been in a weird way, like I wonder sometimes if I've seen Jaws 2 more than Jaws, just cumulatively, you know, because every time I watch Jaws, I make a big like thing out of it, yeah.

And with this, it's like, oh, yeah,

oh, the water skiing, like, I'll sit down for this, you know?

It's yeah, from a, from, we always talk about why we created the pod.

This is a classic, oh, they're going sailing.

Oh, Eddie's about to get it.

Eddie's about to die.

I'm going to stick around for another 40 here.

Poor Eddie.

All you want to do is play the guitar on the beach and get laid.

Come on, Tina.

Just don't make it so tough on a guy, you know?

I get the impression that he kind of put a lot of numbers up with Tina in the first place.

Like, he actually, maybe he lived a good life.

Oh, I feel like Tina was undiagnosed ADHD and kept being like, is that a parasailer?

I got to get out of here.

You know what I mean?

What was she saying about she needed a blanket because her mom noticed the black and blue bruises?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

They were knocking it out on the boat.

No, I get it.

American cars in the 70s, a lot of sharp edges.

Were her parents inspecting her when she got home?

Time for your ass inspection, Tina.

You've been out with Eddie all night.

Tina got a bruiser.

Oh, I was balling Eddie in the back of the station wagon.

Also, fucking on a boat on that boat that size, not easy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wish we had gotten to see it.

Eddie's got to be a very tender lover.

Well, he was a guitar player.

What do you think their favorite position was?

I'd probably be very careful.

Careful, careful lover.

Well, by the time we got to 1983, here were the sequels.

Return of the Jedi, Superman 3, awful.

Jaws 3, horrible.

Psycho 2, horrific.

Corky's 2, a disgrace.

The Sting 2, never happened.

And Smoky the Bandit 3.

We literally went over.

Do you like Smokey 3?

You didn't put a little review on the end of it.

I'm not positive Burt Reynolds is in it.

I kind of like Psycho 2.

I'm just going to put that out there.

Really?

Yeah,

I think there is a cult to that movie now.

What?

Yeah, it's like a late-stage Anthony Perkins appreciation.

Interesting.

I forgot the director's name, Australian guy who made...

Patrick and Road Games a couple like gnarly.

I think it's like some good kills in it.

I like Psycho 2.

Porcus 2 saw that in the theater.

Has some of the worst sports scene footage in the history of planet.

I don't even know if I'd see it.

Basketball.

Meet.

He's like a power forward.

I'll bet.

Remember Meet.

Meet's 35 in real life at this point.

Playing a power forward in the high school of teenage and does not know how to play basketball.

And if there's video of it, we could easily cut this in the social clip.

Like he is.

I had never probably touched any sort of sports object before this movie.

And he's just running around.

Even the fat kid in Teen Wolf was better.

Chubby.

Chubby at least looked like he had a little bit of an Oliver Miller type.

There was a Team Wolf, too, wasn't there?

Oh, there was.

Yeah.

Jason.

Oh, right.

Do you?

So I want to tell you.

Before he became Jason Batman.

That's right.

Whatever that ad is.

In the Ryan household, I will say, weirdly, maybe uniquely, Jaws the Revenge is

our favorite

sequel.

Yeah.

That's Michael Keene.

Yes.

Yeah.

And Mario Van Peeples.

Yes.

Yes, it is.

That's the Jamaican.

I don't know if I

got one more than once.

What happens?

Sean gets, he's like a harbormaster, and he gets killed by a shark outside of Amity.

It is the revenge.

Sean Brody?

It is the revenge on Martin Brody.

Yes.

That is why.

Brody's passed away from a heart attack.

Surprise, surprise.

Four packs of dance cigarettes.

Finally got over.

And then Sean is like a, you know, following in his father's footsteps, gets his arm bitten off and dragged out to the water.

Ellen freaks out.

Michael comes from his job in the Bahamas and is like, Ellen, you got to come down to the Bahamas with me.

You got to soothe your soul.

She meets, I can't remember what Michael Kane's character is named.

It's like Woagie or something like that.

Hoagie Newcombe.

Hoagie Newcombe played by Michael Caine.

And then I think Mario Van Peebles is like a dive master there.

And then say no more.

I'll dial it up on 2B tonight.

But they do battle with the shark.

It's pretty awesome.

Three is the water park.

Yes.

That was 3D fault.

It's got to be a lot of fun.

That was there in the weird 3D.

Yeah.

It's bad.

Really bad.

Yeah.

All those 3D movies, they didn't really know there was.

That was a Sterling defense of Jaws the Revenge, but it's very bad, as I recall.

I've seen all, I've only seen those one each.

Well, Lorraine Gary's in all four, right?

She is.

Yes.

Which is hilarious because she was married to

the head of Universal.

Yes.

And if you look at her IMDb, I think we did this when we did Jaws, but

basically a TV actress in a couple of things and then ends up in Spielberg's Jaws as like the wife of the hero.

That being said,

kind of like her.

She's fine.

I said this on the Jaws pod.

I think she's really good in Jaws, the first Jaws.

I'm a little confused about her career path in Jaws 2.

And then by Jaws 4, she's like,

yeah, she is the hero.

65-year-old hero.

Yeah.

So that's a little questionable.

So you don't think the Lakers should have drafted her in the second round?

Can she finish Lobs?

We don't know.

Yeah, so she's the only thread for the four.

Well, they decided to do the sequel late in 75.

Spielberg said no.

Thanks anyway.

There was some writer they brought in and wanted to do a prequel about Quint's story about the U.S.

Indianapolis.

This is, you got to slow down here.

Yeah, because I wanted to just clear the floor for the original, like, sort of creative team of Jaws when they were like, we got to do a sequel.

And I think even there's some reporting that Spielberg was like, that's actually a cool idea, or maybe that was his idea, but Carl Gottlieb was writing it or something, was the Quint prequel, the USS Indianapolis prequel that he tells the story of in Jaws.

I'm in.

And I'm fucking in.

And I think we may have talked about this on the Jaws pod, but like, if Jaws had just been an anthology series about

shark attacks in different parts of the world or some connective tissue with the characters, it would have been like the greatest franchise ever.

And I bet Spielberg would have been interested enough to come back if it wasn't like Martin Brody does Battle with a Shark again.

Well, they've ripped us.

I mean, Open Water.

Remember that one?

Yeah, of course.

It's the Blake Ladley movie.

Shallows.

They just, they make deep blue sea.

Like, they just keep making sharks.

They've been making them for 50 years.

But there was also a wave in the immediate aftermath of this movie of sea creature-related movies.

Like, you also had Orca immediately after this.

You had Crocodile.

You had Alligator.

You had

Eaten Alive is the Crocodile movie.

And then you had Alligator.

You had Piranha.

the Jodante movie.

Like they, there was a wave of movies.

Literally wave of movies like this.

I don't mind the Piranha movie.

Piranha's pretty cool.

Tough way to go.

Is it true that is it disinforable piranhas?

Are they actually not that dangerous?

Sharker piranha.

Sheesh.

No, I think if there's a lot of piranha, you just your body decides.

You just get shredded.

Yeah.

It's like a water cream issue.

I think I'll go.

I feel like you got a better chance against a shark, weirdly.

Ah, I mean, I feel like I've watched more shark movies than piranha movies, so I have some ideas about how to combat sharks.

What movie did I just watch where somebody punches a shark and it works?

This just happened in a movie.

Dangerous animals.

That's what it was.

Yes.

You know what?

Dangerous Animals is out right now.

Jai Courtney.

Yeah.

He plays a crazed

Australian boat captain who takes people out to see the sharks, but then he likes women out, abducts them and makes them shark bait for his amusement.

And he videotapes them while they're hanging off the shark.

This is a movie that's in the theater.

It's out right now.

It's on like, yeah, it's going to be on Shutter this summer.

Yeah.

Oh.

It's pretty dark.

Even as shark movies go, it's like, holy shit.

Like, this guy's just torturing women for two hours.

But yeah.

It's like Saw, but just for sharks.

Yeah, it's saw, but sharks.

Well, but that's a great description.

Saw, but that's the, that was what you laid out, that model.

That's what Jaws could have been.

There was just like a new Jaws every year.

Yeah.

They didn't know how to franchise stuff back then.

They had to actually really put thought and money into it.

I think that that would have been cool, but like, let's not forget that the first movie is directed by Steven Spielberg.

Like, that's the reason Jaws is amazing.

And you really feel it watching Jaws 2, which is a very fun, somewhat blockbuster movie, but it is no Jaws.

It's not even close to the propulsive feeling that you get watching Jaws.

When you're watching Jaws, you're like this the whole time, getting leaning closer and closer to see what happens.

In this movie, I'm just like, I'm waiting for the kill.

Yeah, that's the thing.

And I don't even really think about the kills as much when I think of Jaws.

In this movie,

it's all kills.

It's a machine.

Yeah.

Very similar to Halloween 2, a movie that I support.

Yeah.

Same thing.

It's Myers just like, let's get his stats up.

His PER in Halloween 2 is just way better.

I think it's like four kills in Halloween 2.

He's Jordan Clarkson.

Halloween 2, he's taken down like an entire hospital.

Anyway, they found a director.

They start doing a script that's in the future.

John D.

Hancock.

Interesting director.

Theater director, TV director, right?

He bang the drum slowly.

Yes.

Before that, he did a really good horror movie called Let's Scare Jessica to Death, which features great stuff on the water.

Are you on that 4K boot ray or no?

I'm not on that one.

But there was a really good edition of that.

He's saving it all for the dangerous animal video.

Vinegar syndrome put out a really good version of that.

This is a little bit of a what-if for me.

Yeah.

As if they hadn't fired John D.

Hancock off the movie.

But he's a better director than Jano Schwartz.

The worst.

He was a TV director.

And the reporting or the

stuff about making the movie is that his version of Jaws 2 was like a more of like a darker drama.

So I wonder if that's...

more of the first half of the film.

There was that plus

didn't the

he was kind of trying to cut back the wife's parts in the Universal Guy.

That was the story he told.

And he blamed this on the shark not working, which is obviously the same line that Spielberg had.

He was like, he basically got fired because he couldn't get the action sequences to play.

They weren't cutting together.

And David Brown was like, this guy is, we made the wrong choice.

Production stops.

Stops long enough that Spielberg thinks about it.

They also thought about the...

And he writes the screenplay for the Quince speech.

Yeah.

Just for fun, because he was a fucking freak.

And then they were going going to write this whole movie.

Maybe going to be

directed by Joe Alves, who did 3D, right?

And Verna Fields, who edited one and became like an executive at Universal, but the DGA wouldn't let him do it.

Yeah.

You can't replace.

I didn't know about that.

There was some rule that from Outlaw of Josie Wills, they fired the director and then had the crew direct the rest of the movie.

It's kind of like what happened on Tombstone, right?

And the DGA was like, we're not doing that anymore.

But then the DGA has 10 rewatchables where that's happening.

Yeah, the DGA had the second apron.

Yeah.

At the Trade Poor Zingus.

I don't know if that's a tall tale from Joe Alves or not.

I like it.

He says that, but it's a good story.

So they end up with Jenna Swark.

I was,

I had so many different variations on how you were going to pronounce this that I didn't even bother to look up the real one because I was so excited.

It's one of the weirdest names I've seen in the IMDb.

There's his last name is spelled S-C-W-A-R-C.

I don't.

It's called Gene.

Keep it moving.

But it's borderline shark.

It's pretty close.

Yeah, it's testing shark.

I just love to get three consonants in a row in the last name.

You know, just right to start.

Schwark.

We got it here.

I got three consonants in a row in my last name.

You do.

Yeah.

H-O-R-L-B.

Oh, yeah.

Congrats.

Thanks.

Jano Schwark.

Janot.

Janot.

Yeah.

10 years later, he's doing episode 8 of Hill Street Blues season four.

Not bad.

Yeah.

Yeah, he seems like a very affable man in the interview.

You know, he didn't like him.

Royce Schneider.

He did not clash on the set.

Didn't like him at all.

We did have one star come back.

The GOAT, John Williams.

Yes.

They're like, hey, John,

can you kick in a little

teenage kid

having fun?

Like, so fun, happy.

We might have an orgy at the lighthouse music.

J-Dubbs is like, I got that.

J-Dubs J-Dubs has got one hand on the close encounters theme, and another one just remixes to rock into it.

That's the thing is, like, in 1978, he also scored The Fury, the Brian DePalma movie, and Superman the movie, which is one of the most iconic themes in movie history.

And he's like, Yeah, I got time for Jaws too.

Yeah, these guys are.

And he's working on Empire.

Yeah.

He's got Empire.

He's got 1941 coming in 79 and Empire coming in 80.

He cooked.

Only

Harold Falsemeyer is the only one who can match him.

Bill B.

Serious when Beverly Hill's cop and Fletch and Top Gun and Beverly Hill's cop too.

That little run Harold had.

No John Williams.

No, no.

He's no Zimmer.

But we still same thing.

How did he do it?

Who's the guy in Miami Vice?

Jan Hammer?

Yeah.

That was another one.

It's like Jan's just cranking it for two years.

Cranking it.

Cranking music.

Yeah.

The synthesizer.

Yeah.

Anyway, the goat John Williams is back.

$20 million budget made $208 million.

Seventh biggest movie of 1978.

The biggest non-bond sequel ever.

Roger Ebert refused to review it.

Why?

Just didn't write a review.

He was a movie critic for the Chinese.

He was an update.

No review.

Did the TV show, and they skipped over and he said, it was pure trash.

I was just going to say, I think he used the word trash.

He said it was pure trash.

Interesting.

Not a fan.

It's quite a stand.

I mean, it's not pure trash.

But as we know, Raj is the sequel police.

Raj also doesn't like horror movies.

Yeah.

He's the Martin Brody of sequel police.

So he thinks there's something degrading about the 80s slasher.

He never supported them.

And this is an 80s slasher.

He could have reviewed it.

I mean, it was, he should have reviewed all of the topics.

I wonder if it was like 15% hornier.

You know, if Eddie had sealed the deal, if Raj would have been like, if Jackie would have whipped him out.

Yeah.

Then he would have been all about it.

Well, we know, we know Raj, he loves the female form.

I mean,

he's always writing about breasts.

Yeah, yeah, and all of a sudden.

In our rated version of this, Raj would be like, yeah, I'll review it.

You make it seem like he had complete veto power.

I had the trib.

He was just like, get the fuck out.

Yeah.

Can you imagine him storming out of a screen going?

No review.

You get nothing.

It's like those soup Nazi.

You should try that for Big Pic.

Just 45 minutes of silence after Jurassic World.

We're seeing Jurassic World this week.

We'll see if I want to do an episode about it.

Just 45 seconds of dead air.

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Most re-watchable scene:

all the kids getting together and getting ready to go sailing with the happy John Williams music.

I think the title of that song is The Kids Are Sailing, They're Happy.

Cousin Jackie Arvives.

The water skier gets eaten.

Yeah, that's where it really goes up.

When you see somebody water skiing and you hear the

not good

Not good really so this was the first scene that Geno Spark shot and he did it because they needed to rewrite the whole movie.

Yeah.

And he was like, just give me five days to shoot a really cool scene and this works.

You can also see that that came through in the edit where you're like, man, this chick is water skiing for a really long time.

There's a lot of time spent.

I do need to explore with you.

the woman pouring gasoline all over herself before the sh before lighting a flare and exploding the entire part.

Actually, picking this.

It's one of my favorite things.

That clip is just playing in Joe Dumar's office.

That should be the gift for any time an NBA team fucks up.

She sits gasoline.

It's so hard to do.

Even with a shark attacking you, it's like, how do you just do that?

What did she do?

What's the math on that?

Like, what was she going for?

Why does she have a giant thing of gasoline in her?

Yeah, she's trying to do like pour gasoline on the shark.

The fucking shark in the water.

Light matches, throw the matches at at him it's actually quick thinking she's like oh what i'll do is just like douse this thing in gas light and shoot a flare at it it's just like hey leave it to the professionals

don't she be

water ski driver it's like a great overhead shot of her poor

second but for a second i was kind of like is she like i'd rather immolate myself than get eaten by a shark

even the shark was like what the fuck are you doing

just guys finishing

it's like my favorite thing in the movie i love that so much

you gotta make that a gift stew bars

we can get to 13 but

oh my god

oh man all right

what are we watching with scenes brody in the shark tower freaking out and shooting at the bluefish

also kind of do mars yeah

there's a kid like kind of right there i mean it's close he's pointing at the kid this is this is the funny thing with like the town council meeting is the town council definitely has a point like brody seems insane yeah no that's you lose your job with the shooting at the bluefish i don't know if there's anything coming back from that And you lose your job when you trade your unprotected 2026 pitch for Derek Queen.

Do you think in that scene that Brody has PTSD from the original Jaws and that's what's driving?

Yeah, because he says, I won't go through that hell again.

Like, you're going to have to get somebody else to fight this shark.

Great shot, Gordo.

Brody coming down the stairs.

Yeah, that's a good one.

That's a good one.

I like the shark tower in general.

I was thinking about getting one from my backyard.

Okay, that seems normal.

Cool.

Just climb up there.

Where's Dad?

What about how angry the mayor is when he's up there?

He's like, What's he doing up there?

Relax.

He's a cop.

He's doing something.

He's doing the shark tower.

It's his job.

Brody showing them the shark picture.

Yeah, this was Roy's Oscar clip.

I think Ryan talked himself into the movie at that point.

The check had cleared, he found out what points meant,

and he was like, I know what a shark looks like because I've seen one up close.

You better do something about this one because I don't intend to go through that hell again.

It's good, and they're like, Nah, it doesn't look like a shark.

They're really rude to him, yeah, just like an eye.

All right, this is when the movie takes off.

The last 50 minutes, Eddie gets eaten.

this is just a tremendous

burst into the boat and then sucked down yes the whole eddy

swim eddy hurry faster come on

hurry

hurry eddy

but and eddie and eddie's like the actor they hired i had this in the research like didn't know how to swim they didn't realize it so they had to like quickly teach him like how to swim.

So you can kind of see it.

He's in the water.

He looks really uncomfortable when he first goes over because he can't fucking swim.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is a.

I probably would have checked that on the Eddie character.

Hey, Eddie swimming in your history.

This is a, his name's Gary Dubin.

Yeah.

This is an incredible.

Imagine if you were just a man named Gary Dubin and this is how your IMDb or your Wikipedia started.

He was an American actor, best known for his portrayal of Punky Lazar, a friend of Danny Partridge on the Partridge family.

He also voiced Talou and the Aristocats in 1970 and played the part of ill-fated teenager Eddie Marshand, who was eaten by the shark in Jaws 2.

Yeah.

That's his legacy.

That's his legacy.

That's his IMDb.

He was on Green Acres, Land of the Giants.

Eddie!

It's tough.

The moment when he gets up to the boat and puts his hand on

the boat and it pulled, the wood breaks and pulls away, incredible stuff.

Really great.

The first big sailboat attack where Mike almost dies.

Yeah, he gets knocked out.

Yeah.

When he bangs his head.

great and the boats split and it's just i love all that helicopter guy dies we talked about him awesome sean almost gets eaten not you sean sean and the little boy sean and uh marge dies yeah marge does die it's tough probably the most altruistic person in the movie yeah didn't see anybody else jumping in for sean no she's an idiot but she what is she thinking

that's an interesting you watch sean get eaten i probably wouldn't jump in if i saw the shark coming

I think you would jump in.

I think if we're doing blame pie, it's

all Brody for being like, take Mike back to the hospital, but not Sean.

No, it's Ellen Brody that morning.

When Ellen Brody is like, where's Sean?

He's probably out playing somewhere.

I'm like, this is a 10-year-old child.

We've got it.

I can't judge.

No, this was the late 70s.

My mom didn't know where I was first.

You live in Jawstown.

You don't live anywhere.

There's already been a shark sighting.

Yeah, that's fine.

That's crazy.

Can't judge.

This is why so many kids got up.

This is why it was the heyday for serial killers and terrible people.

Because kids would just be like, yeah, I'll be back in six hours.

Guys,

there's a shark sighting in Amity.

Well, dad didn't.

And Alan Brody is like, no big deal.

He won't get away from his wife.

Dad sneaks him out.

Yeah.

But she doesn't know where her child is.

Yeah.

But that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Like, it could be he could be down, like, you know, getting ice cream or something like that.

Well, she's going to have to explain to Marge's parents why she's fucking dead.

Blame Pie that.

They leave to take, I had this in nitpicks.

They leave to take unconscious Mike Brody back to a hospital.

And nobody says, hey, if you're going to go back,

why don't you take the eight-year-old kid?

He's completely terrified.

Sorry.

Yeah, however old he is.

I think he's 10.

But yeah, good note.

But maybe

take him with you.

I think that they explained that he's 10 in the movie.

Do they not?

Oh, I thought you were going to be like, they explained that he has pituitary problems.

No, he was around my age when I saw the movie.

So he's somewhere between eight and 10.

But anyway, they just just left him behind.

Yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

Well, that was his brother.

He had no other siblings in the water with him.

Yeah.

Poor Marge.

Very strange.

Great kill.

All-time scene.

And then the electric cable ending.

Not sure about the science with that one.

Well, here's the thing.

I know we're questioning science.

It's okay.

I'm just saying.

Yeah.

We know it now because we know it's happening.

In the theater, seeing this for the first time, it was an awesome idea.

This cable comes up and he realizes what it is and he starts hitting it.

And you're like, what the fuck is he doing?

Why is he doing it?

But you realize as the sharks come in, oh, I see what he's going to try to do.

Just a really inspired idea.

It's a culmination of the film or a climax of the movie that's...

lightly based on, or it's based on two lightly made points earlier in the movie.

Hendrix pulls up the power line when they're dredging after the first time.

Check off his power line.

And then

the shark expert is like, and they're also attracted by sonar.

Like they are attracted by science.

And, but if you're not paying attention hardcore to these random scenes, you're like, how the fuck is this working?

Like, how is he banging on a wire and the shark is coming for it?

He's like, they're also attracted to hot girls.

Most re-watchable.

I think Eddie getting eaten is the best.

Yeah, can we just do the doomed sailing trip?

Like then.

How about the last 50 minutes is the most re-watchable?

But I would go Eddie.

The woman pouring gasoline on herself is the scene I will watch for the rest of my life.

I like the chopper.

And within the doomed sailing trip, I think the chopper is so fucking cool.

What do you have for what's the most 1978 thing about this movie?

Letting kids hang out at a bar.

I had that as well.

18-year-olds smoking and drinking in a bar.

Yeah.

I also have Len talking to Martin Brody about Martin Brody's wife where he's like, she's a hell of a woman.

We're trying going to bring that back.

Yeah, that's right.

Phoebe is a hell of a woman, Chris.

Let's just fucking Gary Simmons.

I'm going to do that over July 4th weekend.

I'm just going to start complimenting my friends' wives.

See how it goes.

You want a mica soda?

I have a runner-up,

Donna Wilkes, who we'll talk about later, who's you might know for the people listening from this movie, is the woman.

who's the kind of hot new girl in town, but then just screams for the last 10 minutes of the movie

In complete peril.

Her hair.

Yep.

Very late 70s specific.

There was only a two-year era where anybody had that haircut.

Yeah.

It's like bangs.

Almost like a bull cut bangs, but and popped out on the side.

Everybody had it.

So it just makes me think of that.

Hard to believe it didn't stick around.

Woodstead's the best.

Kids in the 70s hanging out with the guitar at the beach.

Yeah.

This was your time, CR.

This could have, this is when you would have thrived.

I would have been the bony ver of

just vamity.

Just people.

All you needed a pack of sigs and guitar.

Yeah.

Who's going to have Halloween on a boat is something I now need to see.

Yeah,

I have a lot of the teenage behavior is age the best for me, including just being like, we've got beers stowed away in a garage.

You know, those beers have just been cooking all summer.

Oh, yeah.

They've got to do what they're going to do.

How about having a code for get me out of this situation?

When Brody's like, we got to look into that 908.

And he's like, what's a 908?

He's like, I just wanted you to get me out of there.

We got to do more of that, right?

Yeah.

Well, should it be like a mid-pod thing where Bill's on a jag about some girl's haircut?

And I'm like, CR, 908, 908.

Does it interrupt Bill to get a

908 problem?

The late 70s Summer Beach montage I had in the What Stage the Best where it's like a guy or a little kid putting mustard on a hot dog, and then somebody's flying a kite, and it was just like very 70s.

Is that maybe nostalgic?

In the lead up to the killer whale, the beached whale.

No, it's the lead-up to

when he goes, he's in the shark tower.

Yeah.

They have this montage of everyone's having fun at the beach, and then it finishes as Brody in the shark tower.

Okay.

And

it's made me nostalgic.

Now you just see somebody with a fucking COVID mask on and two guys smoking pot.

What beach are you on?

I don't know.

It's Ambity.

Well, Amity's been done.

Did something happen?

This is like your

scouring your yard, and you think beaches look like

jokes, guys.

Okay, yeah.

It's the second straight pot that Bill has brought up.

People just smoking marijuana in public.

He seems annoyed.

Do you think cocaine came up

in after hours?

Well, the floor is yours.

I've heard from some concerned listeners who are like, Not enough?

Maybe, maybe, maybe we needed a cocaine expert on the

interesting.

Was one available?

Expert for which part?

Just like what it feels like to be up all night on cocaine out in New York City.

Not that the character is, but that Martin Scorsese certainly had been.

Yeah, I think it's a fair point.

All right.

Yeah.

Should we just retake the whole pod, delete what we had?

No, I just

wanted to

pass along some feedback.

As you know, neither have I.

Yeah.

We'll

make up for it when Russell and I do Castle Blanche.

On blow.

After doing that.

Mirror in the middle.

Yeah.

This is what it was like to own a bar in Morocco.

Cruising car culture.

One of the screenwriters, Carl Gottlieb, said he got the idea because of this sailboat thing because so many people would just drive around in cars, which we've seen in Days and Confused other movies.

Yeah.

And he was like, well, let's do this with sailboats.

Like these kids, every day, they just go out in the water.

Pretty good idea.

It's very American graffiti in general.

Yeah.

The movie.

I like it.

Yeah.

I had.

Now they'd be playing Fortnite.

Like, it'd just be five kids in five different houses.

Just like, dude, power me up.

Losing my life.

Yeah.

I feel like you've been radicalized by something.

Yeah, I just like this era.

I like when people hung out and did shit together.

Yeah, that's true.

Let's bring it back.

Yeah, let's bring it back.

My last What's Age of the Best is just Tina screaming, Shaw!

I have a couple other ones.

Lighthouses?

Yeah.

Those have aged well?

It's like seeing them in movies.

They typically do age well, though.

They'll show it early.

They'll be like, we got a lighthouse in this movie.

I'm like, okay, we're coming back.

Yeah.

Sign me up.

Maids that show up for a work already dressed like a maid.

Is it the maid or is she the babysitter?

What is she?

I don't know.

Why do they need one, too?

They don't have any pair parameters.

This was like a big thing in TV shows in the 70s when they have a small clapboard house.

But I'm like, why does she have this job as a secretary?

And then she's employing somebody to work in the house?

Like, just quit your job and take care of your family for Christ.

Do you think it's like a keeping up with the Joneses kind of thing where

Len makes it seem like, oh, you don't have any help?

Yeah, but you have to do that to be successful.

It's like, so work for me.

Terrible.

Maybe it's a, maybe it's a comment on capitalism.

Sure.

The last one I had was the idea of seeing the shark early enough, and it was smart.

You got a a zag from the last movie.

Yeah.

You're not building up any suspense.

We know what the shark looks like.

That was Janeau's big theory.

Let's see the shark.

Big Koon and Burger Order, best use of food and drink.

The punch?

Not a ton, yeah, but the punch sucked, right?

The pizza.

The punch being bad.

Mike is and his buddies are eating at the bar when they're like, and they say to the bartender, this is the only place that the garbage man delivers.

You know, I love a little bit.

That looks like some rank bar pizza, though.

I know.

It looks gnarly.

I'm just saying it's the the best use.

I'm not saying I don't want to eat it.

Great shot go to award, most cinematic shot.

It's probably Eddie getting pulled down.

Oh,

I like the

water skiing stuff.

I like a lot of the wide shots of her going back and forth across the ocean.

Good wide shot of that scene when he's picking up the poison bullets.

Oh, yeah.

His son comes over and help, and they do a nice little wide shot with the water.

Oh, you know what?

It's a great one, though, is we didn't talk about the very beginning when they're at the gala event at the, and I don't even, what building is that that they're in?

It's the new development.

It's like the new conference center that they've built, I think.

Where the high school band is playing, there's like a long crane shot that goes all the way to the swimming pool and then down.

Classic Janot.

I bet that was handcocked in his bag, and they were like, damn, get this guy the fuck out of here.

It feels like that.

It does feel like that.

Kid Cutty Pursued Happiness where Best Needle dropped.

They don't throw a 70s song in this.

So I just forget what the Happy Jaws mean.

John Williams, J-Deb.

J-Deb's just killing it.

There's stuff on the radio, but I couldn't even determine what it was.

They don't sing anything.

It's like Fault and Mario would have killed the two.

Falton Mario.

The big two.

I've been working on this for 50.

The Sean Fantasy award for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteriorgasm.

I mean the Mutiny on the Bounty speech that Douglas gives, where he gives the captain Bly.

You know, that's a great moment.

Douglas would have fucking dork.

I don't have a best character name.

There's no Chess Rockwell Brock Landers award this episode.

I was just thinking, I even looked through the IMDb to make sure.

Len Peterson is a really good real estate developer name.

I like Dr.

Elkins.

I think it's pretty good.

I also think just a gal named Marge.

Who's the last Marge that was under the age of 80 that you've seen?

That's true.

That's why she died.

CR Flex category.

I got to do Sean Penn brought my own pack.

We do this for all the shiders, but three cigarettes with coffee before breakfast is really

elite shit.

I read his Wikipedia and I was just waiting for the COPD baragraph.

I'm not sure it's in there, but he definitely died a little early.

And then I also, just for fun, I did Denneth Deves Benihana Award for the Hog's Breath Saloon, which is a real Florida place.

It was on an island, but they moved it to Destin.

Yeah, it looks like it actually reminded me of the squire in Chatham, but it definitely looks like the Perfect Storm Bar.

Good job with that.

The Butch's Girlfriend Award link in the film is the first hour.

It's just slow.

Mine was

the incredulity of the town council.

I think.

I think we have enough evidence to suggest that A, this guy knows what he's talking about, and B, this can happen here.

So, for as freaked out as you might be about your new hotel, like you should maybe give him some.

I had that in what's age the worst, but that's a good call.

But we did, we talked about the movie.

It also doesn't really matter

when the people, the heroes of the previous movie who have no credibility with anybody, nobody's like, maybe we should listen to him.

He did, he was right the last time.

He did find the Ark of the Covenant, you know?

Yeah, yeah, maybe

he's on his nope, they don't do it.

Um, do you have a butcher's girlfriend?

It's kind of tied up in

my flex.

All right.

Wait.

What stage is the worst other than Lorraine Gary being married to the head of Universal and somehow getting cast in all these movies?

How did they decide to make this movie and have multiple kids in the group get killed, but none of them were Larry Vaughn Jr.?

Wouldn't that have been the natural revenge?

Well, he should have died early in the movie.

And that's what before he gets knocked off.

And like, did we need Larry Vaughn Jr.

in the last 20 minutes?

Well, he absolutely should have died.

I think that he's not killed because then they don't have to show the mayor cope with that in any way because we know the mayor was not available for the end of this movie show.

Oh, because he left the shoot.

Yes.

Yeah.

Why?

That's because his,

well, this is this is related.

His wife had to get a biopsy

of cancer, Murray Hamilton's real-life wife.

And so he did like, you know, all of his days in five days.

Okay.

And then they got him off the set, which is one of the reasons why the movie kind of ends the way that it does.

It doesn't, there's no conclusion.

And he is actually,

you know, in terms of his performance, he, he's like, I'm only like a figurehead.

Like the Len guy is obviously running the town and he's just like kind of shuffling along.

Counter.

The movie ends after Roy Shatter electrocutes the shark and we didn't need to see Mir Vaughn anyway.

So I think Larry should have been shooting to smithereens.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, fuck that guy.

Fuck that family.

Yeah.

Marsh had to die and he gets told.

Can I throw in an additional Larry Vaughn, what's age the worst?

Yeah.

When Larry goes up to Michael and he's like, dad's got you working, huh?

And it's just like, hey, fuck you, man.

Remember when you sent my dad out there to get eaten?

Like, I'm fucking working.

I'm not working.

Mind your own business.

The Brody should have hated Mervon.

Yeah.

Classic politician, son.

Not a nice guy.

What else do you have for what Tiger Wars?

Anything?

No, I don't.

We'll have a couple.

Mike Brody.

Terrible actor.

Tough.

So bad that he gets knocked unconscious and he's giving the same performance unconscious as he was during the first hour of the movie.

Yeah.

Also, terrible big brother.

Don't bring your little eight-year-old out for your big, let's all get drunk and sailboats and like maybe not the best place for a year old brother.

I do believe this was Mark Gruner's final credit as an actor.

That he is a former American actor.

Yes.

I wonder what he does now.

Listen.

Sometimes things aren't your calling and you realize it and you move on to the next thing.

Is he the kid from the first Jaws?

Is it like the same?

It's not Michael from the first Jaws.

Okay.

Like Donna Wilkes is.

She's like, are you going to be there tomorrow?

And he's like, I don't know.

Maybe.

No, he's playing hard to get their date.

Or is he half dead?

He's not a very good actor.

I agree with that.

There's no black people in this movie, but there was no black people in Jaws 1 either.

But maybe this is Zamity, where they just...

It's just all white people.

Are you saying Jim Crow still exists in Emity?

I don't understand why there aren't any black people in this movie.

Maybe we could do Sinners, a sequel that connects you to the Jaws world.

Well, really good.

I have the Van Lathan Award.

Did this movie Need More Black People?

I would go a step further.

One black person, one, anybody who's not a white person.

What's going on?

Why did we already have a new deputy who's black?

Are there no minorities in Amity at all?

Maybe this is a parable about punishing the white oppressor by having them killed by sharks in this community.

But then they put Lou Gossett Jr.

through hell in the next film.

That's true.

But then Mario Van Peeples gets his revenge.

That's true.

In the climax, Bob rescues Lucy from the shark, but then gets bitten in half.

Yeah.

And it's so gruesome.

They decided this will get us an R.

We can't have this in the theater.

So Bob survives, but I'm not sure you can see Bob.

I would say

one of the things that's aged the worst is

while realistic that that size of a group might be hanging out during the summer, it's not good for film when you're like, there's like 22 kids here and it's hard to keep every, and I feel like six of them are named Eddie.

Yeah.

And it's kind of hard to keep it straight, like who's fucking who, who's hanging out, who's important.

To me, it's always the guy Bob.

I don't know who Bob is.

To me, it's the guy who's always not Keith Gordon because Keith Gordon is.

Well, there's Napoleon Dynamite guy next to Keith Gordon.

That's his brother.

Isn't that Bob?

No,

that's not Bob.

He's the one who gets because the Napoleon Dynamite gets Brooke.

He's been pining after Brooke.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Who's the guy with the curly hair?

Who's like, hey, Mike, going out today?

That's

Andy.

That's Andy.

It's just Mike, Bob, Eddie.

Andy.

It's all four or five letters.

If we could just get a little bit of roster shrinkage, I think that would be great.

I see.

You want to use the stretch provision on Andy?

Well, just like seven kids.

I think I could keep that straight.

There's like 14 of them.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge overacting word goes to Donna Wilkes, who screams like an absolute maniac for the last 10 minutes of this movie.

It's interesting.

So compelling as a screamer.

It's both realistic, but also pretty annoying.

And at one point, we have the classic 70s move that would never happen now, where the guy is telling her to calm down.

And does the airplane shake?

Like in the movie Airplane, he looks like borderline domestic violence movie.

Larry looks like he's ready to slap her across the face.

Yeah, that's another reason why he had to be eaten.

It's true.

But she becomes the future star.

I sent this to you guys six years later, makes a movie called Angel.

Are you announcing that for next week's rewatch?

Well, TB Classic.

It's a wonderful movie.

I haven't seen it in a long time.

But she's a high school student in Hollywood by day and a hooker on Hollywood Boulevard at night.

And then a serial killer tries to kill her and she becomes involved in some sort of serial killer thing.

And it made $17 million and was a surprise hit.

Is that a big thing?

And they made like Ty West trilogy.

They made like five of them.

It's one of the key inspirations for

the Maxine, the movie that came out a couple of years ago, the horror movie, the final movie in the Ty West trilogy.

My overacting goes to Ann Dusenberry as Tina Wilcox.

I feel like she really, she chooses the scenery every time she gets it.

She like runs up to the camera.

She's like, oh, like every time she's really selling

Miss Amity, what was her title?

Yeah, she was Miss Amity.

Miss Amity.

All the guys want to get on Tina.

It's a lot of competition.

Okay.

Sean, you have a flex category.

Yeah.

So

the

greatest acting I've ever seen in my life award

goes to Murray Hamilton, who's literally.

doing a terrible performance and the best performance I've ever seen, where you can watch him as the mayor of a town that has already endured a shark attack that becomes national news.

He has presumably been re-elected mayor.

Because it's been four years.

Another shark has arrived in his town and he is compartmentalizing and just shutting it down.

Nothing is happening.

And the reason the performance works is because he's gotten terrible news in his real life about his wife who he believes may have cancer.

And so he is just dead-eyed.

He can barely even talk in this movie.

Murray Hamilton is barely giving a performance.

He has to like pass the baton to Len in the town council meeting.

Exactly.

But you know, we knowing what we know about the backstory, it weirdly works for the character as like this politician has sold his soul, but in fact, it was just a man who could barely finish the day as an actor.

And that, to me, is cinema.

And Schneider was like, I thought I was going to be the only one mailing it in.

This person is dead.

You can barely even see.

It's a good one.

I had, this brings us to the CR things.

Luke Wilson, good Ben Harrison for Howest Take Award.

I'm glad you brought up Mayor Vaughn.

I think Mayor Vaughn keeping his job after Jaws won

is the biggest reach in movie sequel history.

You might be right.

So it's in the finals for me with after Halloween 2 when Michael Myers gets shot in both eyeballs and shot.

I think he's been shot like a total of 13 times at that point and stabbed in the neck and blows up in the fire and burns to death when he then comes back two movies later.

That would be my other choice.

But Mayor Vaughn, like, I just don't think he's getting re-elected.

I actually don't think he should be allowed to live in Amity.

I don't even know if he should be a free man.

The Kinder family is suing the town of Amity

for seven years, and it's going to be like the Gawker-Hulk Hogan settlement.

It's going to be like $115 million

out of this.

It's going to be renamed Kinderville.

And he's going to jail.

That's how it's not even.

Forget the getting re-elected.

He's going to prison for what he did to the and if we're just whiteboarding here, how cool would Jaws 2 be?

And this, not 2B, 2, would have been a good thing.

It's like a Shashi type movie if

Brody, big fucking hero of Jaws 1, Mayor, rides the wave to Mayor and now finds himself in Larry's position.

Mayor Brody.

Yeah, where he's like, fuck.

I mean, there's a lot of responsibility that comes with this job, a lot of financial pressure.

That may be a shark.

It may not be.

And then he's the one resisting.

We get a new Brody coming in.

I'm zagging.

I'm going the other other way.

In fact, in America, we love our dirty politicians and we love for them to be revived in the national consciousness.

And we are living through them.

I don't even think he was revived.

I think they were like, Larry, I got that one wrong.

He hit a rough patch and he bounced back.

Also, you never know what those island communities, because it's so full of summer people who probably aren't voting in local elections.

So if the locals are like, this one, this guy, he looks out for our best financial interests.

Maybe they re-elect him.

What are your thoughts, Craig?

Well, I feel like him falling into the same trap again, he gets re-elected.

And then once again, Brody's like, hey, I think there's a shark in the water.

And he's like, nah, lightning can't strike twice.

A little dubious.

The truth is actually that there are two sharks in Jaws.

There's the shark that they catch at the beginning and then another.

So we know that this is shark waters.

The two divers went missing, a charred body washed up on shore, and he is still like, we don't know.

In fairness, the charred body washing on shore is one of the craziest things that's ever happened in the history of movies.

I can see him being a little bit confused by that one.

What's your hottest take?

I think if cousin Jackie never shows up in Amity, we have a much lower body count because all those guys are so trim struck by her that they are like

poshing up.

Is that a phrase?

Trim struck.

There's a less polite way of saying it.

Yeah.

It's different different for a little bit.

But lots of guys are like, we got to fucking take Jackie sailing.

You know, like, it's like she's driving all of this.

And I feel like she has some capability in this.

And I honestly find her freaking out and her trauma to be a little, you know, unearned.

I also think Tina, there has, I think it's a much more interesting if we're just with the kids the whole time.

Yes.

Yeah.

I think Tina immediately hates

the new girl.

Jackie.

Yeah, that's kind of

Tina and Jackie hate each other.

Brooke, like, you know, there's like a whole summer I turn pretty thing going on with Brooke.

You know, there's just a lot going on.

Good, could have been a good season one of a terrible Amazon.

Did people used to have sex on sailboats?

That just didn't make sense to me.

Because if it doesn't go well, then I'm never stuck at sea.

Yeah, not a big sailboat guy myself, so I can't say.

It seems a little risky with the water and the way things kind of move up and down.

And again, if she turns you down, then you're just a thousand feet deep into the ocean.

Yeah, you get into the ocean.

That's true.

Yeah, that's not ideal.

How's the first season of trim struck going for you even what we've been working on free rates yeah there is like a very funny it's always funny some peacock about like implicit out on the water for implicate the implication yeah

it's a shutter original did you have a hatta steak

i do

We've been talking a lot about 1977 and what a critical year that was.

And we've already done an episode on Jaws.

And on the Jaws episode and on the Star Wars episode, we said that those were the movies that kind of killed the new Hollywood.

But this is actually the movie that killed the new Hollywood.

Yeah.

This is the one that this movie being

okay and making $78 million in 1978 is when it's over.

That's because Jaws and Star Wars are special.

This movie is fun, but it's not special.

And that is why we are where we are.

That's how we got to 1983 with Superman 3 and all those other ones.

But did the people in 1978 feel that way?

Because when Empire Shakespeare came out, they were probably excited.

When Jaws 2 came out, was everybody pissed?

No, I'll tell you firsthand, wanted to go first day, was more excited for Rocky 2.

They could have kept serving him out.

Yep.

But after the movie came out and the reviews were middling, was everybody like, this was a mistake.

We need to stop?

Or was it like, ah, no,

America wanted it.

The other thing is...

You didn't really get to see these movies after they were in the movie theater unless they were on like ABC.

Yeah.

Well, there was still something relatively novel about a sequel.

I mean, they were criticized for being on original, but there were not a thousand of them like there are now, like Chris was asking about.

Skielberg is a good good example of what, how it changes.

It's like he's like, I think that making sequels is like for carnies.

Yeah, and then he makes the lost one, and then he makes four sequels.

You know, you can't overstate how little we had going on in the late 70s.

Like, when baseball went on strike, it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me in 1981.

It was just like, oh my God, it was like this black fucking hole.

Yeah.

Like, there's nothing, there's nothing could compare to that.

Did you want to pour gasoline on yourself when that happens?

We'll take a break and do Casting What Ifs.

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all right so there's a great casting what if this is movie one of my favorite casting what ifs of all time what is it i don't know roy shider it's gonna do the deer hunter oh yes okay a reverse casting what if this

is a fishburn for me though yeah can't agree on the on the money for deer hunter he had creative problems with chimito too yeah and somehow he's out and ends up the universal is like well you got to do a movie with us you're doing jaws too and he wasn't going to be in jaws but what part is he in deer hunter he was going to be the chimero that's insane He was going to be Michael.

That would not have worked.

Well,

I'm very happy we got what we got.

I'm happy we ended up with one of the best actors of all time.

But in that part, it's just, I don't know.

That doesn't feel like a Scheider part to me.

It's kind of similar to Sorcerer.

You know, the great casting what if of Sorcerers?

He wanted McQueen and he went with Schider.

And I think it's better that he went with Scheider, even though it would have been cool with McQueen.

Deerhunter with Scheider, I think.

I think he's too old to be the one who's

probably in that with you, but there is.

I think he would have been good, though.

There's something about his career where he is like such a great second guy in a lot of movies.

And then even in Jaws, like arguably is second to the show.

Because in Deerhunter,

you're basically playing off a bunch of these great actors, but, you know.

I mean, you're going opposite Walken

in Walken's greatest performance.

That's tough.

I mean, the fact that De Niro

holds the weight against Walken is a big part of why.

I feel like Shire goes toe-to-toe with Hoffman and Olivier and Marathon, man.

And Hackman.

I mean, he's not like, he's not Hackman, but he's.

We're going to do Deer hunter live it's gonna be a live show live russian roulette yeah when mcr play russian roulette in front of 1270 people at the wheel show

john burnthal yeah yeah

john burnthal and i do russian roulette together yeah live and denang we're the crowds like the crowd's like what's this deer hunter movie they're doing is it a comedy

anyway um Shatter agreed, got 500K, got points,

was miserable most of the time, and it worked out great for him.

Uh, and then he had all that jazz the next year, and then his career went like that.

There's a bit about how he was so dedicated to the idea of getting out of this movie that he faked a nervous breakdown and trashed like the Beverly Wilsher or something like that.

Like he like trashed his room to give it evidence of his mental state, and they were like, You're doing, you're Martin Brody.

There were some John D.

Hancock hires,

um,

that they got rid of once they changed the records.

Ricky Schroeder was supposed to be be Sean Brody, and then he got bounced for the other Sean Brody.

And then Dreyfus, they asked him, tried to get him, and he said he wouldn't return unless he got to fuck Mrs.

Brody finally in the movie.

And they said, you can't do that.

That didn't happen.

That's happening in Trimstruck, though.

Well, for the people listening, we did the JAWS research in the book.

Dreyfus's character has an affair with Mrs.

Brody.

Remember?

Right.

I forgot about that.

Yeah.

They decided not to put that in the movie.

Probably a good idea.

So Dreyfus instead made the big fix, a film no one's ever seen.

Dreyfus made some mistakes because he turned down all that shit.

We did this when we did the Dick Dreyfus, whatever.

We did.

We did close encounters.

Yeah.

We did all the things that he didn't do, and there was a few of them.

Best that guy word.

Keith Gordon, not eligible.

And Donna Wilkes is not eligible.

I got Joe Moscolo as Lynn Peterson.

He was on Days of Our Lives for 34 years.

I can't argue with that.

34 years.

So mine was Jeffrey Kramer, who then parlayed, he was the sidekick of Chief Brody

and went on to do Halloween 2, ironically.

Graduate of Ithaca College, which is where I went to school.

Jeffrey Kramer?

Yeah, he's one of the police people in Halloween too.

He's very upset about that.

They can't catch Myers.

Deion Waders Award.

Keith Gordon is Doug Fetterman, or perhaps a first in the history of Deion Waders, the unseen character Grace Kinney, the one who's teasing the old guy's oldest teenage boy through the window when they're having like the meeting at the beginning of all the people are coming to the police station and are like, hey, Brody Brody.

And he's just like,

she's teasing my son.

It's probably Keith Gordon.

Yeah.

Does he dial it up?

No, but I'm just, he's the only kid that stands out.

He gets like that.

He gets your Captain Blythe moment.

He does.

Yeah.

I guess it is Keith Gordon.

Craig, you have a flex category.

I'm going to go with the I Used to Fuck Guys Like You in Prison Award for the craziest quote.

This movie's pretty PG.

Yeah.

And then there's that one scene when Jackie shows up on the dock and Larry Vaughn Jr.

looks at her and he's like, that tits like a sparrow.

That was crazy.

That wasn't me.

It was really mean.

That was the Hancock cut.

Yeah.

That was weird.

Do sparrows have tits?

Never heard.

I think it's meant to be.

I think it's supposed to be just mean smell like a bird.

Never heard that phrase going to holster it.

Yeah.

And Jackie was like, one day I'll be eight.

And I'll be in the streets of Los Angeles.

One day I'll be right back.

When you say holstered, you're going to break it out on Ringer Fantasy.

Yeah, you know.

Jalen Ramsey tits like a Pharaoh.

Half-Fast Center Research.

We covered a lot of this stuff.

They filmed the

Hogs Breast Saloon in CR mentioned.

It's on Oscalusa Island.

They filmed a lot of Navarre Beach.

I don't even know where that is.

Yeah.

Is that like in the Keys?

It's in Florida.

I think it's on the Gulf side.

I don't know.

But it's in Florida somewhere.

The kid who played Sean said they were filming scenes with all the kind of wrecked things and an actual hammerhead started circling them at one point and they were all scared.

Sheesh.

And then in the birdie's front porch, they had a flower planter painted bright yellow.

And it was one of the barrels from the first jaws.

They just kind of snuck that in.

That's so cool because when he comes home after getting fired, he stares at the barrel.

And I was like, what's up with that then they had that cable junction where the end of the movie is yeah it was a set they built and at some point something got fucked up and it just started floating away and they almost lost i read that it's really it was really slippery and they kept yeah because the rocks are fiberglass yeah and then uh

i mean the movies that came out after jaws one orca piranha tentacles killerfish barracuda Tenterrera, Killer Shark, Blood Beach, Piranha 2, The Last Shark, Up from the Depths, Humanities from the Deep, The Island of the Fishman, and Devil Fish are all movies that came out.

Fucking Blood Beach.

The Evil Fish.

Blood Beach.

Blood Beach.

They just went for it.

And then there's some Jaws too.

Like, there's a Topps trading card set.

Is there?

Yeah.

A Jaws 2 that's going like hotcakes.

Let's do an unboxing video right now.

I don't think it's...

We probably, that would be fun, actually.

That'd be great.

You can get those boxes for like 20 bucks.

What's in.

Is it just like Jaws?

Like, who's on the cards?

It would be, they would have like the scenes from the movie, like, Eddie's in danger.

It's cousin Jackie.

Yeah,

Ellen Brody.

You're Fave.

And then

they were going to use the sharks from the original film, but they had rusted and rotted away in Universal Studios.

They had to make sure that it's weird that it took four years and they have like basically they made no technological like advances in shark technology and fake shark technology.

I do like it is a better shark,

burned shark, but it sounds like it was good as much.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Apex Mountain Shatter, no.

Sequels, no.

Lorraine Gary.

Sounds like Jaws 4.

Yeah, that's her centerpiece.

That's her, that's her, her highlight.

Donna Wilkes, definitely angel.

Definitely.

High school student by day, hooker by night.

Serial killer, victim by.

Where would you say the word hooker sits in your all-time word rankings?

Top 20, top 50?

It's like those old, those old ABC promos.

Somebody's killing hookahs.

Yeah.

And Dan Tannen has got to find out who.

Coming up tonight on Vegas after your local news.

To catch a killer, you've got to become a killer tonight at Charlie's Angels.

You're doing Ernie Anderson.

That's what he would do.

Apex Mountain.

Every kid except Keith Gordon probably is their Apex Mountain being in this movie, I'm guessing.

Water skiing murders, I'm going to say yes.

I'm going to make the case for water skiing because this is right here on fonzi jumping the shark on happy days this is like apex water skiing

culture uh no because

it's a movie or because you just don't want you don't because i wear contacts it sounds miserable okay have you done it no

have you ever done it nude

sharks no murray hamilton definitely not

Terrible making of documentaries about a movie.

Fun.

It's a good one.

I enjoyed this one.

Yeah.

It's one of the worst making.

Why is it 40 minutes?

I'll watch this.

This is Jaws 2.

I'll watch every one of these forever.

Yeah.

Two old-ass producers.

Just like have you ever seen it?

Did you ever see the Marathon Man one that we were talking about where it's just Robert Evans direct to camera standing with his foot up on a chair?

I love it.

I love it.

It's like 30 years from now, if you were just like

dictating to someone what a genius you were in every decision you made at the ringer.

Like, that's what the.

If anybody wants a Grantland oral oral history, you should do it, but straight to camera.

No one ever knows just you.

The produce, the one of the producers, it's just so funny.

They ask him about John D.

Hancock, or he's trying to explain why he left.

And he's like, did a great job.

It just wasn't really.

And he like clearly just fucking shanked the guy and fired him.

Yeah, he torpedoed his whole career.

Yeah.

He's like, wasn't anything John was doing?

Yeah.

It wasn't.

I thought it was really terrible.

Oh, this will be good.

We didn't get to do this for Jaws 1.

Cruise or Hanks.

I got this.

Young Cruise is Michael.

Like, Los Anit Cruz.

Taps, Los Anit Cruise.

It kind of looks like it, too.

I do believe that's accurate.

All right.

But I thought this category is about the star.

Yeah.

It's got to be, you got to.

It's who's Scheider?

No.

Right?

Is it?

Yeah.

Who's the main character?

Oh, I mean, you did an end around.

I would say Hanks is Brody, but Cruz is any other character except for the mayor, including Len.

Can we talk this out?

Yeah.

Hanks would be the typical Chief Brody.

I think I would rather see Cruz's Chief Brody,

especially like him and Shark Tower.

Drunk Cruise, too.

We'd get Drunk Cruise.

What does Brody say when he's trying to draw Jaws in to the electric cable?

What's his like final where he's like, come on, you son of a bitch.

Yeah.

I forget what his one is.

Well, because the first one would come, you said it was.

Yeah, but

it's a variation on the small.

Bite down, you little bitch.

Yeah, Cruz hitting with the paddle hitting the electric.

We would get one really good Cruz running on the beach shot.

You know, like maybe he had to get from the shark tower to like, you know,

I think this is the answer.

I think it's Hanks for Jaws one.

I think Jaws too needs Cruz.

I think we need the unintentional comedy.

I think there's an extra scene where he's like playing billiards and just like wiping the floor with his deputy.

Crews legendarily bad at playing drunk, though.

And that's kind of a feature of Mario.

But that would make Joshua more fun.

It's like, oh, Chief Brody's fucked up.

He comes in.

He's like, the mayor is galactically stupid.

Scorsese or Spielberg.

Obviously, Spielberg.

What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played?

I like, I mean, young Philip Seymour Hoffman could have been a teen, but so I had as...

one of the kids, like the son of a woman era of Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Deputy Hendrix?

Maybe.

Like doing like his allcing kind of crazy.

Psyche.

That was the peeping.

His Freddy.

There's some peeping going on in this movie.

For sure.

Picking it.

I know we talked about the water skiing boat blowing up and how ridiculous that whole thing was, but I just wanted to say again, how ridiculous that whole thing was.

And I almost feel like we should go, we should do like a separate, like, let's break down this scene a little bit.

Yeah.

And it's really only like 30 seconds of her after the parrot, the skier has gotten killed, where she's just like, God, all right, well,

option A is I could dive out and just run for it, swim for it.

The shore is there.

Option B is I could just stay put and hope the shark goes away.

Or C,

I could cover myself in gasoline, and then it opens up a bunch of different things you could do.

You know, maybe he doesn't like gasoline.

Is it the move to just be still in the

character does it later in the movie?

You know, that's how Tina survives.

The move is definitely not to pour gasoline on herself.

It's one of the best things I've ever seen in a movie.

I just

not the flare gun!

It's like the only flammable thing.

No, it's honestly like what would happen in a naked gun hot shots version of this movie, would be what that scene is.

It's also great how the old woman's like, ah, shit, I gotta call the cops.

It's a great explosion, too.

The boat explosion.

Oh, they used to really blow shit up back then.

I only have one other pick and knit.

So they finally save Sean.

The not when Marge dies, like before.

And the friend, like Mike's friend, he's like, We got you, buddy.

And he keeps kissing him on the cheek, and it's just weird because they're not related.

Yeah, it's like, What are you doing?

Andy is a little familiar with Sean.

Yeah, what was that?

Hey, Andy, that was the beat.

It's a little creepy.

Yeah,

if somebody kissed my son at that eight-year-old son, don't you kiss my son on the cheek like that over and over again?

I would be like, dude.

Well, Sean Penn missed him.

What the fuck?

Is that my son in your arms?

What uh any more pick and dancer now?

Oh, we covered a lot of the

sequel, prequel, prestige TV all, broadcaster, untouchable.

Um, I mean, obviously, prequel is the answer.

Yeah, I think we all would have wanted to.

I think that would actually throw a new category of anthology.

I always thought that so they said that they went to Howard Sackler to write this movie because he worked on the first script.

Uncredited, yeah.

Uncredited and was responsible for the Indianapolis speech.

But I I always thought that was John Millius who wrote the Indianapolis speech, so I don't really understand.

Am I wrong about that?

I mean, there's, I thought we said that too.

I mean, this is also just like you're just reading the reporting about this stuff, so I'm not sure.

But

I thought Gottlieb was the one who was like, I can whip up a screenplay about the USS Indianapolis, but maybe I'm wrong.

Either way, they should have made that movie.

I can't believe they're not.

I can't believe they're just

that Apple's not like, here's $500 million.

Go make that movie.

I agree.

They probably are making it with like Javier Javier Bardem

and Emma Stone.

That sounds awesome.

Why?

But neither of them would be U.S.

naval.

Apple doesn't care.

They need two people.

Because it's a woke Jaws prequel.

It's the Jam famous people in their photos.

The first Spaniard commanding a United States aircraft.

We'll work around that later.

We'll see G.I.S.

Did I ever tell you guys the story about

the Portuguese man-of-war?

You know what that is?

It's a giant jellyfish.

My uncle used used to tell me this story.

He served in Korea and he's talking about how there was a

where he served in the area near the Philippines where he was serving.

There were these giant jellyfish and you would have to like

try to not never go in the water near them because they could kill you because they were so powerful.

And I always thought it would be an amazing

aspect of this version of the story where you'd be like, you'd have, you'd be beset on all sides by sharks and giant jellyfish.

And like there would be like a lot of kill opportunities in this world.

Instead of just like

some kids on a dinghy stuck in the middle of Amity Island.

We're like,

I think there's a jellyfish movie inefficiency right now.

I think, yeah, look, they look cool.

We're not taking enough chances.

They have no soul.

That's the big thing.

Well, I remember when they made Anaconda and I'm like, what the, why are they doing this?

This sounds stupid.

I've seen it 10 times.

Yeah.

There's going to be a new one

on Christmas.

Paul Rudd and Jack Black.

They're remaking Anaconda.

It's on the rewatchables list.

You know,

there is a secret sequel connective tissue thing here because isn't the Indianapolis the boat that drops the bomb off for

the Air Force in World War II, right?

Weren't they bringing the bomb to Japan?

That sounds right.

So like Oppenheimer could have ended pan right.

That's great.

The USS Indianapolis is leaving.

Chris Nolan presents that.

Chris Nolan presents Jaws 5, the pre.

That's a really good idea.

Let's get him on the phone.

Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Daniel Treyo, Doris Burgs, Sam Jackson, no, Byron Mayo, Bernie Cousins, Tony Romo, Harling Mays, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley in the firm?

I don't know.

I really was, I was really just thinking mostly because of his pre,

you know, his priors with doing a goddamn shark ate me.

Well, that's Dave Chappelle, but Sam Jackson just being like,

Mayor Larry got re-elected.

Like the one guy who's just commenting on

actual civic politics.

That is good.

Yeah.

That is good.

How the fuck did that guy get re-elected?

Do we need to bump any of these people from the list?

We haven't done Harling Mays.

And Barney Cousins.

Do they need to go?

Need to add some new ones for the summer.

Yeah, we'll mix it up.

Maybe we add Jaws too late.

Jos too late.

But with Jaws too late, I've just covered guesses.

Do you think Doris Burke doing just the last lines of dialogue that Brody has?

Oh, yeah.

Where he's like,

he's like, all right, you big bastard.

Come on.

I've got something for you now.

That's it.

Add a boy right here, Mr.

Jaws.

Open wide eyes and say, ah,

we see you, Mr.

Jaws.

And Mike, Mr.

Jaws is back.

And he's hungrier than ever.

Bonjour, Monsieur Jaws.

DB.

At a boy, Mr.

Jaws.

Just one Oscar who gets it.

Let's just give this to John Williams and move on to the other 130 of them.

Sorry, never mind.

I was just going to be like, what if Shaq was like, Jaws 2 couldn't hang in my generation?

These new shocks aren't physical.

The ocean was so much stronger back then.

We never took days off back when Jaws was.

That doesn't even make sense.

It was so much harder to get those swimmers back then.

Probably an answerable question.

They should do inside the NBA, but for movies like this.

Like immediately when the movie ends, you cut to Chuck and Kenny and they break down.

Chuck's like, I didn't watch watch it.

Jack's just like, it was so much harder to make movies.

But I'm running to do a diagram of the woman lighting herself on fire.

That would be amazing if it's always there.

It's always a bit more.

And then we get a basketball.

That's just what the show became inside the NBA across the pop culture.

We couldn't get clips for the NBA, but we do have the Warner Brothers movie library.

Oh, I would watch that.

Yeah, they could do Angel.

Wow.

I don't know if I want to kenny around that one.

Probably an occupant.

You could be a hooker by night.

And you could finish your schoolwork the next day.

These girls.

You could have bought that task.

That would just be a good thing.

Don't these girls multitask anymore.

Really good episode of this show.

All right.

Probably an answer for questions.

I mean, who was funding?

I guess it was Len, right?

Funding Mayor Vaughn's campaign.

Like, is that how he won?

Yeah, that's, that's like just Len being like, you work for the election.

He bought the election.

I had, uh, what did the final three of the Miss Amity contest look like?

We know Tina took it.

Who was the runner-up?

And did she hang out in the group or was it an outsider?

Yeah.

Where was that?

Or is Tina kind of like a mafia?

So it was just like, no one else is running for this.

Were the townfolk there?

Like, can you imagine living in town?

Like, what are you doing tonight?

It's a Miss Amity contest.

I can imagine it.

You get to watch 17-year-old girls walking around trying to cook Miss Amity.

Hey, I'm going to go to Miss Amity.

Whatever you do, don't kiss my son.

I'll know.

Miss Amity contest.

They have punch.

It's a really good point.

This is, you know, this trope is.

They don't have these in real life, but there's no Miss Amity in real life.

Is it like prom queen?

But this trope is repeated in I Know What You Did Last Summer, Summer because Sarah Michelle Geller's character was

at the beginning of that, which is an homage, I think, to this scene.

We haven't done I Know What You Did, right?

No,

Martin C.

Brody's 1975 Man of the Year award, as you see it.

They show

yeah, was that who finished second?

Did they go to the award ceremony?

Were they just like, I have no chance this year?

Brody, like, killed the show.

I mean, after Jaws won, Martin Brody would be sully.

He would just be like the guy who was there earlier.

All he got was this little shitty plaque.

But there's no.

He beat Larry Vaughan Jr.

as the man of the year.

Here's my okay.

Here, this is a kind of a hot take.

Yep.

There's no proof of what Brody did.

Okay.

Oh, he comes back and he's like, yeah, I killed, but everybody died, but I killed the shark.

No iPhones, no cameras, no photographs.

Cooper's like, yeah, it was incredible.

Yeah, but these two fucking crackpots who are out on the out on the big ocean going going sea crazy.

Yeah, but the shark goes away for three years.

The second he gets back, so sharks leave, sharks swim away.

It's very, that's great timing.

No, I think the point is

how crazy the murder of the shark is.

He's the only witness of it, right?

He shoots it, he comes back, so and then it came back, and then finally

he had this thing in his mouth, and I aimed it, and I nailed it.

And they were like,

smiled.

Yeah, is it coffee?

Is Jaws just

is the entire Jaws series just a Martin Brody fever dream?

It's like,

a psycho.

Or maybe it's Ellen thinking about what she wishes.

Yes.

Yes.

On a sleepless night in Amity,

Ellen Brody imagines the husband she wishes she.

Like John Updike.

That's right.

It's beautiful.

Do you think American Psycho happened?

In real life?

No, in a movie.

Is it a fantasy?

I do think it's a fantasy.

The chainsaw gives it away when he whips the chainsaw like 12 stories down.

And it works.

Kills her.

and then we don't know how to

stepping on the American Psycho rewatchables out.

Should we do American Psycho?

Yeah, definitely.

Yes, really?

Yeah.

Oh, man.

Isn't it rewatchable?

It's like a beloved classic.

I don't know if it's a rewatchable, but it's beloved.

Do you think Inception happened?

I might have watched it this week.

Like, how much of Inception?

I wish it didn't.

Hey, oh.

Yes.

Yeah.

I think some of it happens and some of it it doesn't.

Any other unanswerables?

No.

How is larry still mayor

what piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie for sean it's clearly the gasoline can i yeah i would display it prominently i would want the martin c brody 1975 man of the year and amityville amity trophy that's good that'd be not the barrel no i'd want the trophy after i would i would do the barrel the the planter barrel coach finstock award best life lesson maybe believe the guy who was a prophetic hero three years before that something might be going on again

maybe trust him for a split second now that 10 teenagers watched him murder another shark his second shark murder yeah he will he's he's confirmed it's a shame i gotta watch the revenge again and find out if there was ever any like legacy repair going on for it should be on the cover of time magazine yeah this would be like after okc won the title presti made a deal and the fans are like i don't know yeah i don't know about this prestige

Best double feature choice is probably Jaws.

I'm going to go Jaws Revenge.

I'll go with Jaws.

I'd go Jaws 1 and then Jaws 2.

I think Jaws Revenge makes Jaws 2 look a little bit better.

This made me, because

there's been a lot of good shark movies.

And I was thinking about this because, you know, Jurassic Park's coming out this week and there's like no good dinosaur movies.

But why do shark movies like always work?

Because you can kind of hide it a little bit.

Like a lot of it is tension, you know?

I think people have like six basic fears, and this is one of them to be in the water and being unable to fight off something.

This is an unanswerable question.

You're living in Amity

after Jaws.

Would you still live there?

Or how long before you get in the water again?

That's how Jaws 2 should have started.

It should have been like, this is the first day everyone's kind of decided to get back in the water.

The first summer, we're back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Probably pretty soon, I would guess.

For you?

Not for me personally, but I feel like people are like, eh.

It's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen to me.

I mean, you're talking about a guy who used to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, like 70 degrees in the 70 miles an hour in the Merriman Parkway.

I shouldn't have a lot of fear.

You rode a motorcycle?

Yeah.

You had a motorcycle?

Yeah.

When was that?

When I was a kid.

Like a Harley?

No, not like a Harley.

Like a Honda?

Yeah.

I had like one of those fast Hondas.

That's cool.

Without a helmet.

It was cool until I crashed it.

Yeah.

You're like Bob Dylan.

What the hell?

I didn't have a lot of fear back then.

Is this like a known story?

I have a ton of fear now.

About driving?

No, just in general.

You get older, you just fear stuff.

This is like your superhero origin story.

He likes to crash his motorcycle, and you're like, I'll be a sports columnist.

What if I someday I'll do a bunch of people?

I'll put it against the NBA draft.

Someday I'll recap Jaws 2,

figure out what the gas

was doing.

We're just going to take you to the hospital.

Who won the movie?

Who won the movie?

Roy Schider.

Roy Scheider.

Yeah.

I had Universal.

Oh, that's a good answer.

Yeah.

Not Jino Schwark?

No, he did not win the movie.

John Shark, no?

Who do you have?

I would have said Jino.

He saved this dog baby.

You know, this thing was headed for...

Didn't lead to anything.

Yeah, you know what, though?

I kind of also wish that he was.

Sure,

I was like, I'm going to go to Supergirl in 1984 with Helen Slater.

Oh, yeah.

Love Helen Slater.

Fair as fair.

Legend of Billie Gene, brother.

One day.

One day.

We'll do it.

Keith Gordon.

A great Keith Gordon performance in the Legend of Billie Gene.

You're not invited to that one.

Good luck.

Good luck with that one.

Craig, what did you think of Jaws 2?

Sure.

You know, in a vacuum, pretty good.

Like, if you didn't, if this movie was the first one to come out,

I think it would be a quality shark slasher movie.

You could make the case that if Jaws 1 didn't happen and this was the first one, that there's actually a more, like a larger Jaws franchise.

Oh, that might be what's holding it back.

You know what I mean?

Is that the original

quality of it made it so everybody didn't want anymore.

But if Jaws 2 was the first one, maybe there's now 15 Jaws movies and it's like Final Destination in the Water and it's a foundational slash franchise.

FD shark.

When are we going to get that?

That's a great idea.

I'm ready for that right now.

How have they not had a shark attack in Final Destination?

You know, that's what Jaws could have been.

What were your after-hours thoughts while we have you?

Yeah, I had never seen it.

I had barely even heard of that movie, and I was kind of in awe at how good it was and just how tight and smart and funny and well-acted.

I mean,

it's really, really good.

And I didn't make a ton of money.

I had never really heard of it.

Do you think if it had just been Michael Keaton, it would have been a very famous movie?

Oh, it was supposed to be Keaton.

No, we were just talking about like, because Griffin Dunn is a really good actor, but he's not the stars in this.

No, I didn't even, what else has he done?

I don't, I haven't listened to the pod yet.

American London.

Yeah.

Yeah, probably.

Yeah.

But did Scorsese specifically want him?

Was that?

Yeah, he was the producer.

He brought it to him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just, I think it feels kind of

watching it.

I was like, this feels so small and random for who I know Scorsese to be now, which is kind of fun.

I mean, it's kind of, it's not really, in my opinion, I know, I don't think it's about a whole lot.

It's just like a crazy night in New York.

And it's kind of fun to see a prestige director do something like that and just have fun for 90 minutes, and it's not some big grand story of the rise and fall of a

Jordan Belfort or Henry Hill or something like that.

It's just like, yeah, Corsazi cooking for 90 minutes in New York in the 80s.

It's fun.

We said that on the pod that

that's, we just wish directors did that more.

Yeah, like, yeah, like blowouts, Brian DuPont.

Like, I just like stuff like that.

CR, you, you missed After Hours because you were away.

I was.

Can I also say that?

People are upset.

Yeah.

The one big thing that stuck out about just like the time people lived in in the After hours era was, man, people were just really comfortable with strangers.

Yeah, you just pick up the phone.

Every scene is him running up to a new person and they're like, come on in.

Right.

What do you need?

A phone?

Yeah, no problem.

Come on up.

So really three in the morning.

Yeah.

That's how you still operate, though.

Anyone wants to knock on my door?

I got actually.

What's your address?

Just give it out here.

Well, you know what's funny is the other night before we left, do you know about this TikTok trend where kids pull up and kick your door?

Have you heard about that?

What?

No.

You haven't heard about this?

No.

Well, they did it to my house.

No way.

Yeah.

It was pretty scary.

Not scary.

What do you mean, kick your door?

They pull up to a stop, they jump out, and they like kick on your door really hard and then run back to the car.

So it's like a fucked-up doorbell ditch.

Yeah, but they're like filming it, I guess, or whatever.

And they wait.

So I came out completely nude with a machete, you know.

What's your josh doing here?

He came out.

a jug of gasoline.

Did this just happen?

Two weeks ago.

Yeah.

Did you see?

You're probably not a big stranger guy anymore now.

Did you see the kids drive away?

I heard him.

So they weren't filming you.

Well, no, they were, I think they filmed the kick, but they drove away before.

See, I was shooting at them like Chef Brody.

Chief Brody shooting at the blue fish.

Give us your after-hours thoughts really quick.

It's one of my favorite Scourse Easies, one of the best New York movies ever made, and a great portrait of a crazy night out.

Did you ever have an after-hours night?

Some.

Not like as magical as that, but I had some late nights.

Yeah.

Cigarette nights?

You could say that.

Yeah.

You want to.

I wound up encased in plaster.

What was the weirdest part of New York City you ended up in?

That's a good question.

You never had like a woke up in Staten Island?

No, I never have.

Oh, I mean, I've fallen asleep and woken up at the end of the F-train where I'm like, oh, shit.

I have done that too.

Yeah.

That's not.

Where does that end?

The beach.

And then it gets really like, oh, Christ.

Now I have to get out and get back on the F-train.

It's going to take all fucking night to get home.

Oh, jeez.

But like that, it's like Coney Island, like 3 a.m.

in Coney Island.

It's like the end of the Warriors.

Yeah.

Or the beginning, if I had gotten off that train.

Yeah.

That did happen to me, too.

That's funny you say that.

Yeah.

Fiorentino?

One of the goats.

That's it?

Yeah, you guys did a great job on it.

You said she was a throw-your-life away Hall of Famer.

She is.

She is.

In this movie, she's a little intimidating, to be completely honest.

She's a little unattainable.

Not that she's attainable in like last seduction, but.

Do you think she'd do good things for your life if you to spend time with her?

At any time, really, in history?

Yeah, I think she probably would have gotten me on the right track earlier in my career.

You know, who knows what I would have gotten up to by then?

Would have kept Chris away from Pelicano.

I'm still getting over her dating the FBI agent in Pelicano.

It's awesome when stuff like that happens.

That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

It's that and the girl with the gas tank.

Those are the two, those are my two good legends.

I've never seen such magical moves.

Thanks to Craig Korbak, Jack Sanders.

Thanks to Ronic as well.

CR.

Sean.

See you next time.