‘Sneakers’ With Bill Simmons, Kyle Brandt, and Joanna Robinson

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Kyle Brandt,

football season started.

It's rare to book you.

You're on Good Morning Football.

You're all over the place.

And yet Robert Redford died and you just started badgering me.

Sneakers, it's time.

Sneakers, sneakers.

Here we go.

Sneakers.

Let's do this.

We got to do it.

Joanna Robinson, once upon a time, I texted her and said,

all right, if you had to pick 10 Rewatchables movies, what would they be?

And sneakers was there.

This was the good son kind of choice for me.

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All right, sneakers, Kyle Brandt, go.

Be a beacon and give him a head whenever he asks.

That's how I want to start this pod right now.

Guys, I'm thrilled to be here.

I'm so happy.

I'm happy to work with Joanna.

I'm happy to talk about this movie.

And it is, I'm just going to start.

Bill, can I just start with a hot take?

I've said this before.

I think Sneakers is the most underrated movie of the entire 1990s.

The most underrated, underrepresented, because it's delightful, charming, has some of everything, suspense, comedy, romance, a little action, a little sex, an incredible cast.

And I just don't think it's talked about much.

I don't think kids in their 20s or even in their 30s know this movie.

It doesn't get spoofed on family guy.

it's not out there and i think there's some reasons for that but when i was a kid and 13 14 years old sneakers was always there for me on vhs and with redford gone i've already re-watched it three times wow yeah anything to add jovina uh this is what we watched the night that we found out redford died we put sneakers on first thing i love this movie um and i completely agree it's it's underrated underseen but there's something i'll I'll say there's something I kind of like about that because on the one hand, I do want everyone to see sneakers.

It's, I think, a a perfect movie.

But on the other hand, there's a thing that happened in the group text when we were playing this podcast where Kyle and I have never worked together.

And Kyle's like, but if you like sneakers, you're good with me.

And that's, there's, it becomes this like password for people.

Like if you meet someone else who loves sneakers in the wild, it's like, oh, we're going to get along.

I get it.

You get it.

We're going to get along.

What other things are like that?

I don't know, but it's like, but the added bonus of that is that then when you show it to people, like, okay, you meet someone in the wild, you meet a Kyle Brandt that you've never met before, and you're like, we both like sneakers.

We got something in common.

And then you talk to a friend of yours who loves movies, and they're like, I've never seen sneakers.

Who's in it?

And then you start listening.

Redford.

Yeah.

Kwati is here.

River Phoenix is here.

Dan Aykroyd's here.

Sir Ben Kingsley's here.

I won't spoil that James Earl Jones is here, but James Earl Jones is here.

And then they're like, wow, why haven't I heard of this movie?

And then you show it to them and they, almost everyone, not everyone, but almost everyone loves it.

And then you look like a genius.

Yeah.

You look like a movie Sherpa.

How did I not know about this movie?

Do you agree with this, Kyle?

You know what it is, Bill?

It's like a band.

I don't know.

Maybe it's like Morrissey or something like that, like where you're like, there's not everybody likes them, but then when you find someone who does, you have an immediate bond.

Like I felt warmth over the text thread just from Joanna because we were talking about sneakers.

And I do have to set the table with this, though, a rewatchables reference.

My respect for Joanna skyrocketed during the can't hardly wait pod when she referenced the punked episode of Jennifer Love Hewitt, which is a tragic episode and they did her so wrong.

I was like, she knows her shit.

That's a deep cut.

So it's not surprising to me, Bill, that she likes sneakers.

But you, you've been doing, Bill, you've been, you've been doing the devil's work.

You're doing the God's work, rather.

All the Redford stuff all month, like the classics and devils.

What is it like for you now to jump into like 92 Redford?

It's confession time.

You don't like sneakers?

Oh, no.

No, I do like sneakers.

I never saw it when it came out.

And this is like a just the age I was.

So I'm a senior in college in 92.

I think this movie came out in the fall.

The computer thing, I just, I've talked about this on my podcast.

I just was out.

I didn't even have a computer until senior year.

And it was even like one of those dumb word processors.

We had a computer club at Holy Cross.

We used to make fun of everybody in there.

We're like, look at those guys.

What are they doing?

Those nerds.

I'm not going to make any money off of that.

Oh, my God.

What are they doing?

And

there was like a snobbiness toward this kind of stuff that it took a while to come around.

And now when you watch it, I watched this movie three times in the last month because I didn't know it that well.

I've only only seen it once.

And I was like, holy shit.

Like they were so far ahead of the game with so many of the themes of this.

Exactly.

But in the moment, I just, it wasn't, it just was one of those movies not for me.

And there was also a lot of stuff in 1992.

I mean, good movies were getting shot out like a t-shirt.

Yeah, we used to live in a a society.

Yeah.

We had great movies.

So it's like you kind of picked and chose.

I was looking at the top, like the top 10 movies of the year, like Box Office Gross, because sneakers made some money, but not a ton of money.

And I was like, okay, what beat it?

And I was like, well, these are all tremendously good movies.

So I can't really argue.

You know, one of the problems is, Kyle, I never dated a girl who was like, are you a sneakers person?

And I never got, I just never had the sneakers.

kind of gospel person to suck me in.

Yeah.

I think is the problem.

Spreading the good word.

Kyle and I are doing the work.

Spreading the good word.

We are doing the work.

And

I think this movie is in lockstep with another movie that came a couple of years later in Shawshank Redemption, and that I think it has a terrible title that is off-putting and confusing.

I brought this movie up when Redford died on our show, Good Morning Football Live, and the rest of the cast was much younger than me.

And I'm like, sneakers, sneakers.

And they're like, Is that a movie about shoes?

Like Redford did a shoe movie?

I'm like, no, it has nothing to do with that.

I think it's a terrible title.

I think it also has a horrible poster, which was really important in the 90s, in which you have all these amazing actors, including Redford's beautiful face, and it's in the bottom right-hand corner, just folding up.

It's an awful poster, awful, awful title.

And sometimes that can be all she wrote in terms of legacy.

I agree.

Terrible title, terrible poster, terrible tagline, which is we'd tell you what this movie was about, but then we'd have to kill you.

Awful.

And you're like, okay, but

we need to tell people what the movie is about.

They think it's about shoes.

I had this coming up later.

Like, what, what was a better title?

Because I'm with you, sneakers.

Plus, like, from in the google society we live in now yes google sneakers it's just it's not coming up you have to put in sneakers movie redford right and then it find stuff finally starts coming up uh because this is like a neat yeah bad seo on sneakers but this is this is a niche world inside of the hacking world you know that that screenwriters discovered and it's interesting but yeah inside of the movie even inside the movie when they're like we're gonna do a sneak i'm like don't just don't say no don't try to make it happen you know it's not happening bill that's inside the weeds of rewatchables because the three of us, I'm sure, have googled sneakers many times over the last 72 hours.

Yeah, and if you do like sneakers, Redford, look at a picture of Robert Redford's shoes on a movie.

That's not what I want.

I want the movie.

Yeah, and I think it just, they should have called it, they should have called it Too Many Secrets.

Fine, it's a title, it works, it gets the ball on the fairway, and we're often running sneakers.

Too many secrets,

or no more seats, or no more secrets, no anything.

Yeah, I could you have gone with freakers with the pH, yeah, the phone speakers, or freaking, yeah, with the pH.

Or hackers, because we're three years before the movie hackers.

I mean, hackers

probably made more sense for this movie than the actual movie hackers.

Where do you stand on hackers?

I love hackers.

You love hackers, too.

Angelina Jolie's, who's her brother or first husband?

First husband, Johnny Lee Miller.

Yeah, he was out.

I feel like that's going to be Joanna's double feature choice, like 90 minutes ago.

No, no, but 95, like three years after this, 95 is Johnny Mnemonic, The Net, and Hacker.

Hell yeah.

Like, we're three years in front of this, like, hacker movie boom.

I did think that this was a waste of a theme month because The Net is one of like the funniest movies of the 90s now.

It's like absolutely hilarious.

I think Hackers is too.

All that disclosure we've already done, but that was also a movie that's like really funny with how they envisioned where the internet was.

Yeah.

This is the people look at the trailers, like, they've got my name, they've got my phone number, they've got my address, and like, yeah, and she's freaking out going right after speed, I think.

Like, just going for it.

There's a scene in the net where she has a laptop and it's like five inches thick on her lap on the beach.

And I was like, okay, all right.

In five hours, she loses every single thing about her life.

It's just gone.

I don't even think you could do that now.

So sneakers creates a new genre.

I think this is a new genre for 92.

The cyber caper.

Yeah.

I think there are elements of it that feel new.

It's not like the first hacking movie.

What was the first cyber caper?

It's sneakers, right?

What else would it be?

Yeah, I don't have a better answer for you.

I think it, the thing is, it's that it's a hacking movie.

It's a paranoia movie.

It's a comedy.

It's only about the, it's a post-Cold War.

It's post-Cold War.

It's a heist movie.

You feel the, you feel

kind of a little victory lap over Russia a little bit.

It's absolutely.

All the shots.

They're basically dunking on Greg, the Russian character, the whole time, who gets killed, by the way.

And then Redford at one point's like, We won.

They lost.

It's been in a few papers.

He might as well look to Lens and give that Redford rating to the commies.

Suck it pinkos like it's it's all there but here's the big thing for me yeah and this is what took me i finally appreciate this movie it took forever it's a thinking man's action movie

it's it's a lot of just people it's also like cutting corners with their brains basically it's also just incredibly satisfying from like a every all of the resolution you know they worked like for a decade on this script and so it fits together so neatly like a puzzle it's a little long it's like a little over two hours it's a little longer than you would expect for something like this but nothing feels wasted.

It all comes together.

I call it, I like to call it a perfect movie.

And I feel the same way about something like Tremors, which is another screenplay where like every single beat of tremors matters and pays off.

And that's how I feel about sneakers.

And it's just, it's intellectually satisfying the way it all is.

It's a perfect movie, except River Phoenix.

I honestly, not enough ISOs for him.

I could have gone two more plays for him, just letting him cook.

In terms of like why this movie wasn't a bigger hit, if you're going to sell this movie in, in the early 90s, and you have River Phoenix in it and he's just like comic relief,

I love River Phoenix in this.

I love comedy River Phoenix, but he's just like the doofy comic relief guy.

And you're like, I'm like, you have one of the biggest like heartthrob stars in your movie.

And he's like seventh build.

And yeah.

Bill, did you see this in the research?

It might come up that he's on record that he had just done My Own Private Idaho and was deep into the work and all heavy.

And he literally said, I just wanted an easy money job.

And they're like, sure.

So I think he's like having the time of his life on this movie.

Absolutely.

He's loving it.

He and he and Dan Aykroyd got along really well.

And he's just like, he gets to work with Robert Redford.

Like, nobody says no to working with Redford or Poitier.

This is one of the research movies, and sometimes I don't trust it.

But in this one, it's clear.

Like, everybody loved being in the movie and working with each other.

The River Phoenix thing, I mean, I didn't think we'd do it this fast in the pod, but it was really important.

Like, he was kind of the guy.

He was basically what Leo became in the mid-90s 90s when he was doing like romeo and juliet like after this boy's life and gilbert grape right when he started making romeo and juliet before titanic there's a moment with him where it's like this is gonna be the next guy and that was river phoenix like when i was like a senior in high school and in college like after stand by me it was like this is the guy this is gonna be the guy And this is one of the only normal movies he really made in the last five years.

Like he really started to do some dark stuff and his life went dark too.

Well then his last movie is the Samantha Mathis, like country western cigarette movie.

I like that movie.

Yeah, I kind of like that movie.

I mean, listen, one of his, one of the things in the River Phoenix trophy case towards the top is that Steven Spielberg hand picks him to play Indiana Jones, the young version, which is like an all-time legacy character.

And he's amazing in that sequence.

He's incredible.

But to your point about like what Leo was doing at the time of the 90s, then they come to him and they're like, hey, do you want to be in the Indiana Jones, young Indiana Jones TV show?

And he goes, no, thanks.

Not for me.

Right.

Not for me.

Yeah.

The Phoenix thing.

It's, it's sad watching him in this because he's just clearly and Redford picked him.

It's funny.

Ethan Hawk told a story and I think he was talking about this movie.

Do you?

Was it this?

No, River Runs Through it.

River Runs Through it.

Okay.

Because these guys are all competing against Ross.

So Ethan Hawk wasn't up for this one or

no.

Did you see that story?

No, I haven't seen it.

Ethan Hawk went on Jimmy Kimmel's show.

Yeah.

And told this like four-minute story about Redford, about how he tried out for River Runs Through it.

For Brad Pitt's part.

And he's like he was told you're too young kid but you're great keep going and then Redford said to him and then Redford showed up at some play he was in later yeah and was like just would check in on him and they became friends so it was like genuine he's like yeah I really like you but you're not right for this part but I'm still like yeah I'm still a believer and I think he felt the same way about Phoenix that I feel like we kind of still see him because we just watch Joaquin And it's like, was that the kind of, would he have been the joker?

He probably would have been an incredible joker.

Like all of those parts that he plays that are so interesting, I wonder, or would he have been like just doing entry-level Marvel stuff?

I don't know.

Don't you think, like, I honestly think Leo had the career that River Phoenix I thought was going to have.

And I do think that, like, even though Leo is a few years younger, obviously, like, I do think that Leo's career opened up because there was this vacuum from River Phoenix's action.

And he would have, he would have done, I think, the same thing where he would have worked with good directors and tried and co-stars.

Anyway, 1992.

Yeah.

I wrote down, it's truly insane how prescient this movie is.

These, these two quotes from Cosmo.

There's a war out there, old friend, a world war.

And it's not about who's got the most bullets.

It's about who controls the information.

There's one.

The world isn't run by weapons anymore, energy or money.

It's run by little ones and zeros, little bits of data.

It's all just electrons.

In 1992, this was flying over my head.

You asked if this is the first cyber caper movie.

This feels to me like one of the first Silicon Valley movies.

Like, this is, you know, this is such a Bay Area movie.

I grew up in the Bay Area, and it's not just a San Francisco movie, it's a Bay Area movie.

We're going to Palo Alto, we're going across the Dunbarton Bridge, we're doing all this stuff.

And Cosmo as this precursor for

what the emotionally stunted men of Silicon Valley will will do and control in the future, it makes sneakers eternally relevant.

So you're saying like bezos might have had this ponytail look that cosmo had

it just it's like someone now who's saying like really heavy about ai i remember yeah i watched this movie i was 13 and i didn't really follow what cosmo was saying but i'm like oh this is important and kind of scary yeah but you know it's 1992 i'm like holy look what the dream team's doing to angola this is great my focus was elsewhere you know yeah well it's funny because they it's like war i'll just spoil it now war games was my double feature for this yeah mine too yeah yeah i watched it last night actually and war games had the very oh nice yeah war games had a very similar like

it catches some moment before it became a moment like nuclear war didn't really like i would say 80 with the the day after when that tv movie happened right right when we really had a cold war panic in the 80s war games was early on it and kind of saw it coming and then and the way it used computers it just was ahead of its time but it did way better than sneakers did i i re-watched it last night because it's the origin story for this movie because the screenwriters found in in researching war games went to conventions found out about the the phone freakers the the the cyber caper the the the black hatters and So I was like, oh, curious to see.

There's so much sneakers DNA in war games.

Some of the sort of like, we're all crowded around a monitor moments feel so similar.

The score is doing, even though it's a different composer, the score is doing similar things.

But the way that war games starts is you have John Spencer and Michael Madsen as two like nuclear missile silo workers going in for a day at work.

And there's in the elevator talking about like how John Spencer once knew a woman who grew weed.

And there's having this random, has nothing to do with what's going to happen conversation.

And it's like so many conversations and sneakers where Dan Aykroyd mother gets on and is just like.

Cattle mutilations are up, you know, like just like the

like the little conversations that they have in the midst of these of of these various heists is something that these guys love to put in.

And it makes these characters feel so real.

And these relationships feel so real.

These are people who just know each other, are irritated by each other, but like also show up for each other.

I love that.

Were you a War Games guy, Kyle?

I was.

Yeah, a big War Games guy.

I loved it.

And I think that Joanna makes a pressure in point, which is.

I think there are certain movies in the early 90s that are so excited about being a 90s movie.

Like they're so, they're like, welcome to the 90s, motherfuckers.

Like, I remember when like, remember that, remember the movie Grand Canyon came out?

Yeah.

In the 80s, they brought you the big chill.

Welcome to the 90s.

That was the actual tagline.

And I think to the War Games point, I think when we hit the 90s, everyone was a little nuked out.

Like, we've done a lot of nuke stuff and nuke movies.

Now it's not the nukes.

He's literally saying it's the computers.

And like, wow, the 90s are so cool.

That's how I felt when I was a kid.

I think that's a good point.

I love that.

Grand Canyon.

Flawed movie.

Oh, yeah.

Kind of enjoyed it.

See, see martin gets shot and foams at the mouth it's very strange and upsetting it's a weird weird movie really strange movie this is also a we got to get a crew movie well they have to go

well but i mean like world war ii like we got to find yeah people who can solve stuff i like the idea of people who break into stuff to teach people how to avoid being broken into yeah yeah Has that happened?

That must have happened in a TV show, right?

There must be some CBS show that my dad watches that has that premise.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

But I but this is the real thing.

And the the thing that about this movie, another thing about this movie is it's not universally beloved, but like the cybersecurity world loves sneakers.

They're like, sneakers got it right, man.

They get it.

You know?

Yeah.

It was like way more thinking versus like black hat.

Right.

So Redford's the leader, Martin Bishop.

Yep.

Poitier.

I always mess up his name.

It's in my speech impediment.

Poitier.

Poitier.

It's in my speech impact.

Von von dom bill it's all right we all have our

it's okay he's had a security yep ackroyd

weird that he was in this movie in 92 but it's right as he's shifting into

he's not leading movies the same way anymore he's now moving like he's in tommy boy a couple years later he's in my girl he's starting to hit like coneheads did you did you see in your research that he he was insisting that he play cosmo

and they were like we got we got ben kingsley to do that yeah you're good, Denny.

We want you to play.

See him as that.

He's a tech specialist.

Yeah.

River Phoenix is Carl who's just like the new kid.

It's like a good guy, like young energy off the bench.

He's basically

on special teams.

He'll be the gunner.

He'll get the plans in the building for you.

He's basically Broderick's character in war games, right?

They caught him hacking into the Oakland City school system to change his grades.

And then Whistler played by my guy, David Straithhorn.

Talk about it.

Strathern.

Strathern.

Strathern.

Straighthard.

I don't think it's Strathairn.

Strathern.

Straighthorn's really an all-time guard for you.

Stratharn.

Strathern, I think.

I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say it.

I thought it was Strathairn.

Joanna, you think it's Strathern?

I'm in a constant.

In a way, it's better than what Bill said.

Possibly, yes.

He's a blind guy with super hearing.

Yeah.

Yes.

All those people you just mentioned, Oscar winners are Oscar nominated.

He's also incredible.

He was in like some really great smaller parts, like the firm.

He's awesome.

He's eight men out.

He's the pitcher who can't decide whether he should cheat or not.

But he's just, he'd pop up in these movies every couple of years.

And you're like, I love this guy.

But it never really, he never became like a guy.

Yeah.

His momentum.

I'll give you two parts.

Two parts that stand out.

All right.

He plays an unbelievably disturbing terrible character in dolores claiborne yeah kathy bates unwatchable character yeah also

incredible arc in the sopranos when carm and tony break up she sleeps with him yeah

he's like the counselor at the school and they fight and he has an all-time one-liner that to to that i would not say right now but i i love that character yeah river runs through it um

made a won with mary mcdonald uh and james earl jones a movie that i really really love did really good work uh A John Sales guy.

And then Mary McDonnell, who's red hot right now from Dances with Wolves.

So the word on the screen is that you do not like.

I do like her.

I didn't, I don't, she got trapped with bad parts for two years.

I always thought she was better than the parts.

The blue chips character is like, I don't even.

Are you with Nick Dulte or not?

Like, what's going on there?

Grand Canyon, that movie is just super weird.

This, I think she's great in this movie.

She classes up this movie.

Yeah, she's so good in this movie.

She's really good.

And it's a nothing part.

I don't even know, like, you can't even describe five things about that character, but she makes it work.

Something I love about,

you know, they, like I said, they worked on this movie for 10 years.

Something I love about the evolution of this movie is that originally Liz was like someone who worked in a bank that they meet like over the course of the movie.

Turning her into Bishop's ex.

So you have that sort of like.

comedy plot of remarriage like let's we really want these people to get back together energy and everyone already knows her so you don't have to spend a lot of time like who is this girl why do we care about her?

You want Bishop, you want the two of them to get back together.

There's personal stakes on this whole operation, right?

Because he's like,

if I get my name back, maybe we can be together.

Great stuff.

And then same thing in blue chips, by the way.

Exact same relationship with Nick Nulty.

And then everyone in the group loves her.

Like all of the sneakers.

You got to love her.

She's great.

You know who didn't really love the crew?

Little early step-on, Rog, Roger Ebert.

Oh, Oh, unsurprising.

Dude, I love this movie.

Come on.

Redford's team, yet another version of the World War II platoon that always had one everything.

He lists all the people.

There's not enough useful dialogue to go around for such a large team.

And sometimes characters feel like they've been pushed on stage for obligatory scenes that are not really necessary.

It's a borderline.

Fuck you, Raj.

I'm not going to like go full tilt, fuck you, Raj, but it's, I did think about it.

I get out of here, Raj, with that.

Without a terrible take.

Talk to me about the

outthinking version of hacking.

Scrabble pieces.

What were some of your favorite like scotch tape hacking, basically?

The Scrabble sequence is excellent in this.

I do have one bone to pick with it.

I'm a Scrabble guy.

It really, really bothers me that they're in the middle of a game and Bish just picks it up and dumps over the board.

And they don't, they're not like, what the fuck, Bish?

Hey, triple word score.

What are you doing?

I guarantee he was getting his ass picked up.

He was losing.

It really bothers me about that.

You can't do that.

Yeah.

That's nuts.

Yeah.

Pushing together sounds.

Yeah, that's that's what you hear.

This is amazing.

My voice is my passport.

Verify me.

That whole sequence is Whistler Guessing the Answer Machine thing with the black box.

It's just a lot of like, yeah.

Let's go to Craig without him stepping on the take of the movie.

When you see these movies

as a post-internet child

that try to explain the internet, but it's like 1992 and hacking and all this stuff.

What is your reaction as a younger person?

Well,

this movie reminded me the most of, is it disclosure?

Yeah.

When

he's got the goggles on, he's like, it's all out there and everything's around him.

Look, I think, I think, unfortunately, the movies that tried to do this in the 90s, they didn't know where things were going.

It was like so new.

And I think they thought they were getting ahead of it.

And it's just naturally one of those things that is impossible to age well.

You know, it's tough.

Might be a foreshadowing of Craig's.

I've only been on a handful.

I've only been on a handful of rewatchables, but you can tell when you walk in the room and you look at Craig's face what Craig thinks of the movie.

Well, you guys shouldn't ask me before what I thought.

Yeah, that's true.

I don't know why I try to feel.

Hey, Horlbeck, you know what ages well?

Characters and writing.

Who cares about the goddamn computers all the time?

We'll get to the characters.

All right, good.

I wasn't leaving them out.

One last elite mainstream run for Redford.

We should mention this because this is Robert Redford Month.

Sneakers, directs Wherever Runs Through It, Indecent Proposal, Directs Quiz Show,

up close and personal with Michelle Pfeiffer, and then is Sundance is taking off.

And this is all from like 92 to 96.

So it's his third straight decade for him

where he's just in the mix in a real way.

That's so interesting to me because, like, this isn't a, so he has Out of Africa in 85.

Yeah.

And then he makes two terrible movies.

Like, this, he hasn't made a good movie, acted in a good movie since 85 when he makes this movie.

Right.

And so there's a way in which Redford kind of needs this movie.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

He needs this last one.

It's almost like an athlete.

Wash the taste of legal eagles in Havana out of your mouth.

Right.

And so he makes this movie.

I'm not a huge fan of Up Close and Personal and Invasive Proposal, but those are two movies where Rudford's like, these are the I still got it movies.

Yeah.

Right.

With a much younger co-star.

Mary McDonald's at least like only about 15 years younger than him in this movie.

So he's got those two like, I still got it movies.

And then he's firmly into old man Redford territory.

Up close and personal, I'll defend because my queen Michelle Pfeiffer's in it.

That's really, no, I have no other reason.

It's a terrible movie.

She looks great.

And she's a broadcaster.

It's the original Morning Show.

Do you think you love Morning Show because you love Up Close and Personal?

I love to hate watch Morning Show.

Okay.

It's never

a One Fine Day guy as well.

It's not very good.

But I watch it.

Have I watched it multiple times?

Yes.

One fine day is great.

Yeah.

Listen, Pfeiffer in the 90s.

Including Feyer in the 90s.

I mean, my number one is to Jillian on her 37th birthday.

Right.

Which is a movie with no plot whatsoever.

The most rewatchable movie that has ever happened.

And she's the hottest ghost that ever lived.

Yeah.

What a run for her.

Anyway, Redford is 56

in sneakers.

I have some thoughts about that in later categories.

Meanwhile, Ben Kingsley.

This is his 90s supporting guy run.

Bugsy, sneakers, Dave, Bobby Fisher, Schindler's List, and species all in like four years.

They were like, all right, we got to give you the sir.

This is too, too many.

Yeah, yeah.

Too many rewatchable movies.

What are your Ben Kingsley's thoughts, Kyle?

Well, also like Stratharin or however you say it, Memorable Sopranos run for me.

A crazy episode with Hollywood Malta Santa.

I love that.

Obviously, all the stuff that he had done.

I just remember like when he started going by sir, I was like, oh shit, he's a sir now.

Like that, he's one of the people that the sir really seemed to suit them.

Some of these people with the sirs, I don't, I'm not feeling it.

Sir Ben is, it works for him.

Like he's Marshawn Lynch, maybe doesn't work the same way.

I can't do sir beast mode.

No, but like Sir Ben Kingsley, yes.

I don't like when people get the sirs.

Do you know

I have nothing in common with them anymore?

They're like

the greatest walk of stars.

Over here.

Do you know like who Michael Sheen, the actor Michael Sheen, gave his back?

Because he's Welsh and he believes strongly that in like sort of Welsh inhabitants.

He rejected the sir.

He received it and then he returned it.

Because he said he did some research into, I don't know how many people have returned it, but he returned his.

I don't like sir either, but for some reason I love dame like dame judy dench all day long.

Dame is

such a good point.

Dame is great.

Sir is terrible.

We need in America, we need our version of this though, where people just get some weird type of stuff.

Yeah, the verified blue check on Twitter.

That's what we'd want.

That's fair.

Directed and co-written by Phil Audum Robinson, who did Field of Dreams, one of my favorite movies in college.

This is how he spends his Field of Dreams blink check, getting sneakers.

How about that?

What's interesting is...

I was like, what happened?

Why didn't he make more movies?

Because this guy was clearly good at making movies and putting movies together and getting

some characters.

Yeah, he's good in that.

Or the movies, like that's a well-directed, well-done movie.

He went kind of

serious.

Like he was directing documentaries for Nightline.

Like he just kind of moved away from making movies full-time.

He started his documentary.

Like he was in, during the Vietnam War, he was a military documentary filmmaker.

Yeah.

Then he, you know, he writes all of me.

He directs Field of Dreams.

He does this.

He does Some Move Affairs.

And now he's back in, like, he was a leader in leadership at the Writers Guild of America and at the Motion Picture Academy.

So he's sort of like

a Hollywood States.

Kind of like the real life.

That's surprising.

Real life Marty.

So higher calling.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Some of the stuff in this movie is heavy-handed.

You mentioned the post-Cold War victory that lap.

There's, there's just straight shots across the bow to the Republican Party.

It's like at the end of this, at the end of the movie, we go from the really great sequence of the blind guy driving the car, and all of a sudden he's up there preaching about information.

And you can tell the director was liking the stuff.

And good for him.

It It was a great movie.

Yeah, he might have, might have had a couple of settle-down moments with the producers.

Maybe

scale packle over.

I don't know.

You make field of dreams.

I think you get to do whatever you want to do.

He really did.

I still don't understand what happened to all the cars when they showed up at the end of Field of Dreams.

No parking cars.

Yeah.

At some point, it's just their traffic.

You just got to mow down someone else's fields in order to make a parking lot.

It's kind of the same thing as this movie when they all, there's like a hundred guards that storm the building at the end, and then they just all disappear.

Same like the same with the cars.

Yeah.

They just kind of go away.

$23 million budget made $105.2 million.

Globally, pretty good.

All day long.

It's okay.

Only $50 million domestically.

And you mentioned Shaw Shank Redemption, which I think is a great comp.

I wish this had had the like

lives forever on TNT Saturday morning sort of life that Shaw Shank had.

You know what?

Part of the problem was it was a little too long and it wasn't Shaw Shank.

Yeah, it's not as good as Shaw Shank.

It is not Shaw Shank Remedy.

This is an hour 40.

It's on TNT and TBS for 20 straight.

I think the other issue, and this is something that Phil Eldon Robinson did, is that he

put

language.

Well, you can edit language for cable.

That's fine.

But

this is such a weird spot of a movie, right?

It's a dad movie is what it is.

I love a dad movie.

I love a tin cup.

I love a field of dreams.

I love this movie, right?

I love the whole everything.

Craig doesn't.

But

Craig just looks so wounded when he says that.

I love Field of Dreams.

You're talking about Tin Cup?

I like Tin Cup.

But like this isn't, this is, but there's not, there's a little bit of action, but there's not a ton of action.

Yeah, sure.

And you said there's some sex.

I mean, there's not really any sex in this movie.

You know what I mean?

And so it's like, there's a lot of weird groaning off camera.

But it's too, but it's too like smart

or however you want to categorize it for kids to love it.

You know what I mean?

Early teen, you know, you, you and I, Cali.

So we throw more sex in it?

I'm just saying it's a weird sweet spot.

Is it for kids?

Is it for adults?

Like, who is it for?

It's for i can't you know what i think it is john i think i think this movie is an on the screws perfect pg13 movie it's i agree that rating exists and they should they get it yeah yeah yeah but i think then it it becomes hard to pitch like i wouldn't show this to kids but then some adults are like well this isn't action heavy enough for me or this isn't you know this you know what this movie is it's it's just a good hang it's such a good yes it's kind of having it on and i think a big piece of this is the score that we didn't really talk about but james horner which there's, I have some stuff later.

I had no idea how revered this score was by people.

Oh, did you read the Britel page?

Yeah,

but we'll hit that in a second.

Roger Ebert, two and a half stars.

Could have been worse.

One of the weaknesses of the movie is the way it pretends to be a techno thriller when in fact it recycles much older traditions.

It's a sometimes entertaining movie, but thin.

I'm not claiming it's a deep movie, but like it matters that things are fun

and not stupid.

And that's what sneakers is.

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Most re-watchable scene.

Would you have the 1969 pizza order going wrong in there?

Because I would not, but I'm happy to defer to you.

You know what I love about that scene?

And this is a take that's coming later.

I think they fucking nailed the young versions of Kingsley and Redford.

I love those actors.

I had that.

I had young Redford is great.

He's great.

And young Kingsley looks like him.

I, I, if we put it on a scale of if young Tommy and Goodfellas is a 10, like the best one that's ever been done, yeah, these guys are like seven, fives, or eights.

I completely buy that it's them.

I had Redford as like a nine, yeah, like I really, he looks like electric horseman Redford, he's got like the thick hair and the mustache.

That's Michael from Twin Peaks, like he's a he's a guy I know, but you put that like sort of hand that like handle our mustache on him.

And I was just like, that's right.

And he got the intonation perfectly.

I thought Kingsley was like like a five and a half.

Well,

he was good.

We're going to have to spend a lot of time talking about Kingsley's accent in this movie.

And I feel like probably the young guy doing whatever it is that Kingsley was doing was sort of distracted by that assignment.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm into that.

Most rewatchable scene, the bad guys find Marty,

allegedly in SA agents.

One of them is Timothy Busfield.

Yep.

Who was having a little run here?

He was in Field of Dreams.

I think 30-something might still be on at this point.

Yeah.

Oh, it is.

He had shed Revenge of the nerds, I felt like, at this point, you weren't looking at him and just thinking of him playing the bass.

What was that?

Electric guitar?

What was he?

What did he play?

I keep waiting for the nerds pod.

I just don't know if we're responsible enough to do it.

It's got some problem at a time.

It's got some deep.

We probably almost did it.

We can't.

The movie does not exist.

The movie is gone.

You can't find it.

We were going to do it when House was here, and the movie's just

going to stream it.

It's been wiped.

Anthony Andrews.

It's gone to that

territory where it doesn't exist anymore.

Lambda, Lambda, Lambda.

Those are my guys.

It's Timothy Busfield and Eddie Jones, who is a great, I love Eddie Jones.

He played Paw Kent on Lois and Clark.

So I always think of him as Paw Kent when I see him.

But

he's so, they're such great assholes in this movie.

Yeah.

Trying to get the math guy's password while

this Czech lady's seducing

him is just.

kind of funny, but I like the math.

Laugh out loud at Carl saying, Bishop, you think I could take a look?

Even he wants to see.

This is 92.

You can't get internet point, all that.

He's wow, so said for nudity,

but when Potty, and then Poitiers like, grow up, and then he's like, Let me see.

Yeah,

um,

but the next scene's better when Marty gets caught in her in the office with the Czech lady.

That's a really good scene.

And the little earpieces.

I always wonder when people have earpieces like that, can you can't tell when you're just talking to them?

Like, if Joanne had an earpiece right now with somebody talking into it, I wouldn't be able to hear that.

It depends on how slick your tech is.

And I don't know how 92 sneakers tech is.

If it's the 80s, that woman's topless for sure.

Oh, 1983.

Yeah, that's it.

That's like an extra sex scene.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We got out.

In the 90s, we were just better people.

The Clinton administration was coming.

Yeah, Clinton.

Clinton really cleaned up.

We had a lot of hope in 92.

That's Carl wanting to see in the camera.

That's what he is.

The Czech lady, I'm not positive positive what's going on there, and it's pretty silly, but I enjoy it.

I love her.

She's also in Field of Dreams.

She's in almost every Phil Elden Robinson movie.

Yeah.

Well, she was the crazy book burning lady in Field of Dreams.

And she's in Sum of All Fears.

And then there's like an Easter egg in Sum of All Fears.

Her character's name in this movie gets like mentioned in Sum of All Fears.

It's the.

I think Joanna is really auditioning for the Sum of All Fears rewatching

what I'm taking away.

You're all over Solo.

What I'm taking away.

solo pod i just think it's fascinating that phil alden robinson's like she's my girl i'm gonna put her in all of my movies love her uh they cracked the code for set tech astronomy

c-tech astronomy whatever it was yeah rat semen cooties yep

all right the ben kingsley cosmo reveal

so marty has no idea this is coming i guess not he never thought about this like oh the guy died in prison i'm just gonna accept that explanation i think i think he he hoped he did.

I think you can explain that he's so burdened by guilt about this that he's just sort of like, I hope this is the end of that story.

Is he

burdened by guilt?

Seems like he kind of moved on.

It's like, ah, I was getting some pizza.

Fuck that guy.

Yeah.

I don't think he tried to help him anything.

I think he's like this wild dog who's out of there.

Yeah.

He did it.

Not at all.

It's like how Kyle and I felt when Shraig's went to ESPN.

It's like, hey, Bill, knowing that Peter's going to listen to this, that is not how I felt.

How dare you?

I will say that

the

Cosmos alive reveal is kind of impossible to do when you show the movie to people now because they're like, when is Ben Kingsley getting here?

You know what I mean?

Like, they know Ben Kingsley's in the movie and they're like, where is he?

So, Kyle, what do you think when characters say things like, I might be able to crash the whole damn system?

Think about it.

No more rich people.

No more poor people.

Everyone is going to be the same.

It's great monologuing.

It's great rhetoric.

And then the follow-up by Bish.

You haven't gone crazy, have you, Kaz?

Exactly right.

But I get fired, especially because he's giving that speech.

And we got to talk about this later, but like, obviously, Cosmo's office is just a fucking revelation.

He's giving the speech in some sort of like a...

Darth Vader back-to-take chamber.

I don't even know what they're sitting on.

What is that?

Yeah, yeah.

Wow.

I think that's where he goes when he's like

no one watching him or something like that.

But

yeah, an evil lair is definitely what that is.

It's like a, I'm thinking about being evil lair.

It's not even an evil lair.

That's in my unanswerable questions: is what is Cosmo's plan exactly?

Well, yeah, I mean, here's the thing with Redford in that scene, and what you just said about

him being like

Redford was a really good like counter-puncher

reactor, playoff, somebody who's like doing something bigger than he is and just having these little, you know like being confused or kind of staring somebody down i always thought that was one of his best skills and i don't even know how to describe i don't know who other people think it's incredibly insightful and that is this movie he's the straight man surrounded by these eccentric characters who are blind or funny or conspiracy theorists there's this little thing he does exactly what you're saying when cosmos says oh it's good to see you they cut to redford and he kind of does this look that says i'm not sure it's good to see you right like it's it's it's such good acting.

He's so underrated for that.

You know what he is?

He's a Hall of Fame eye narrower.

Oh, a squinter.

When his eyes narrow, you know, he's like, the wheels are turning.

That's his thinking.

That's his thinking face.

Or he does the,

he listens to somebody.

Oh, the golden retriever head tilt.

There's a pause.

You know what it is?

And then he has an answer?

You know that Gifu guy goes like.

Like that who like changes his eyes?

Yeah.

Like Redford does that all the way to the Hall of Fame.

He's great at it.

I think the Cosmovial is really interesting.

I think that scene is really interesting.

I think that monologue is absolutely bananas.

I do think it's interesting that you say that Redford is a straight man.

He is a straight man in this movie, but he gets so many jokes.

Like, he gets so many jokes off in this movie, too.

He's a counterpuncher.

The problems always get worse.

Why is that?

I should do this in a Kingsley accent, but I'm not going.

Good luck.

Which one?

Yeah, because he's

four.

The way he says disaster.

Yeah,

yeah, disaster.

Bizarre.

Because money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it.

The question is,

is this movie

in the 2020s?

Is this movie in favor of what these guys were doing in the 60s?

Or is it, you know, this is the conversation we're having about one battle after another.

What does it say about these revolutionaries and what they become in one battle in like in modern day, but one battle after another?

And what does it say about Cosmo, who's like, in the 60s, is like, let's fuck over Richard Nixon.

And then the 90s, you're like,

the movie thinks he's crazy, but what he's preaching is financial equity.

I don't really understand exactly what the movie wants us to think about that.

Thank you for bringing this up.

I think bringing the PTA movies is smart, bringing that in.

So this is like

45, almost 50 years of that theme, which is basically like my mom and dad.

Like they're in college and it's like, we're going to change the world.

And then, you know, 10 years later, it's like, wait, what are we going to do now?

Like this, this kind of sucks.

That's been like

people try to change the world.

They get older and you either keep that passion or you don't.

And in Kingsley's case, he keeps the passion, but in like the craziest, darkest way possible.

It's almost like a comic book movie kind of sentiment.

They have a moment where Carl pulls him aside and says, I just don't understand.

Why were you taking all these chances?

And he's like, well, there was a war going on.

Well, we just wanted to meet girls.

Carl is like speaking for the younger people in that scene.

and then he's speaking for my parents.

It's a cool little moment.

This is like the big chill.

This is the, it's the first movie that really was just like, this is about this theme.

What happens when you get older and you can't change the world anymore?

What do you do then?

And Kevin Klein's character is like, you know, it's cool.

Money.

I was going to say you buy a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

I have a really cool.

If you've seen my house,

that'll make it better.

All right.

Just spoiler, this is my most rewatchable scene

when they figure out where Marty got taken.

Yeah.

The cocktail party scene.

This whole thing, figuring out the sounds.

That's it.

And Whistler just like on his little thing.

Does it sound like this?

Does it, I just think that's a riveting five minutes.

I'm proud of you because there's a skeptic's reaction to that scene as, oh, fucking, come on.

You're not going to hear what the sound of the highway is when you're unconscious in the back of a trunk.

He's like, well, the seams of the concrete.

I like the scene too.

Strathairn or whatever his name is carries it beautifully.

Straight.

There's a lot of people who are like, that's bullshit.

Really?

There's people out there.

They're detractors?

Yeah, you wouldn't believe that, but there are.

Yes.

It's unlikely, but they do.

It does work.

They stole it for taken two.

They don't believe that David Swither knows that Whistler has memorized the seam allowance between

the concrete on the Dunbarton Bridge.

Well, also that Barty, who probably has a concussion and or CTE from the hit he took, is going to be in a trunk like, all right, I'm memorizing that sound and now that sound.

I mean, you're probably in the car like, oh, my head.

This is a, this is a,

there's a nitpick about this scene and then i have a well actually to the nitpick right because in that scene they say there are four bay area bridges right sure there are actually five oh is this a san francisco nitpick yeah wow

is really like bringing it to it i have a well actually there's five because they they mentioned the golden gate the bay the dunbarton and san mateo there's the richman san rafael bridge but

If you're coming from San Francisco, which is the origin, I believe, then there's only four that matter.

But a lot of people will say, well, actually, they didn't mention the Richard Samafel Bridge.

And I'm like, why would you talk about it if you're starting in San Francisco?

So I've never seen Kyle more riveted by any, anything.

Originally, we thought there was another bridge and that Brock Purdy was a bridge quarterback, but it turns out he's not the real deal.

NFL joke.

NFL joke.

I will say the Bay Area.

The

Bay Area in me.

The biggest, it's actually one of my favorite parts of the movie because I get excited every time it comes up.

And it's the way that Canadian Dan Aykroyd pronounces the Dunbarton bridge.

He says Dunbarton in a really weird way that if you grew up listening to

the traffic reports in the Bay Area, you're like, why would you ever say it like that?

It's like me saying Stratharne.

Yeah, Dumbarton.

The Dumbarton bridge.

We're now calling David Stratharin Michael Strahan.

It's come to that.

The society we live in.

I really like that scene.

Tumor Kingsley figures it out and he's on the intercom.

I like when bad guys are on an intercom in a building.

Joanna,

you must come out now.

You're saying that like you don't do that every day at the Mateo.

I should start coming downtown and just go in the intercom.

Hello, Ringer.

It's also that where he's like, she's lovely, Marty.

And then they go and they show Mary McDonald's.

You're like, oh, shit, you got him.

Let's go, Kaz.

I have a very short rewatchable scene that I'm going to talk about later, not for this.

That's just for me.

that I was fascinated by and I videotaped.

I'm going to show you later.

And then finally, a James Earl Earl jones cameo oh what a great during like peak james earl jones i mean apex mountain of james earl jones field of dreams sand lot this movie like he would pop up it was like being handed a hot fudge sundae two of our oh thank you Two of our ringer pals are like the perfect example of what I was talking about at the beginning about what this movie can be.

Because when I told Van that we were, he was like, oh, I'm doing rewatchable this morning.

He's like, what are you doing?

Van's jealous.

And I was like, sneakers, he gasped.

Yeah, he was so excited, right?

And,

but Rob or our pal Rob Mahoney had not seen sneakers.

He went to go see it in rep last week for the first time.

He had never seen it because he was like, Joanna's obsessed with this.

I'm going to go see it.

It's in rep.

You bullied everybody.

She's bullying ringer staffers left and right.

What I do best.

And he's like, it played so well.

He's like, the way the crowd lost it when James Earl Jones showed up at the end of this movie.

I was like, yeah, it's such a good thing.

I feel every time I watch it, Bill, it's like, all right, the crazy heist that happened.

They get back.

Now let's just roll the credits.

And then it's like, glass breaks

oh shit it's james earl jones music what is he doing here and he comes in like firing he's doing like when bish is like come on one day he goes no

he sounds like darth vader

yeah i'm trying to think who is james earl jones now

Like who could just pop into a movie out of nowhere with eight minutes left and you're just like, oh my God, this guy.

I don't even think that person.

Well, I hate to say like another like old black guy, but Morgan Freeman has the voice and and everybody loves him.

And like, there's some of that going on a little bit.

It's not like James Joe Jones.

Yeah.

There was like, it's funny because I just watched Field of Dreams again recently.

I don't know if it was like the 85th time or the 70th time or whatever, but I just love him so much in that movie.

It's one of my favorite performance.

He's just so great and so happy.

Yeah.

He can be so intimidating, too.

Right.

When he turns the van around and he's standing there and she goes, Moonlight Graham.

Oh, my God.

I just pissed

in that scene in the in the loft at the end of it when he's just like i'm going to be sick and like it's it makes me so intimidated it's like he's my

my grandfather and i'm like i did something wrong he's so great that scene is so good the requests are really funny winnebago akrig wants a winnebago with burgundy interior that's great sid wants to take his wife to europe and tahiti and tahiti and tahiti Yeah, I'm Carl.

I'm married.

River Phoenix just wants a phone number from the kind of sneaky hot F-by MBI, whatever she was.

And then Whistler wants peace on earth and goodwill toward men.

And then James Earl Jones says, none of this happened.

With the U.S.

government, we don't know what happened.

None of it did happen.

Despox

deliberately disobeyed me.

It's the best.

So what do you have for most rewatchable Kyle?

I think the entire...

Warner Brandis sequence is fucking awesome.

From the time they identify his office next to Cosmos, the garbage, the 180iq, the scene in the restaurant with trying to check off the thing.

But that's a sequence.

If I'm answering the question honestly, Bill,

I mean, it's got to be the final heist and the fortress and like the walking across and that type of shit, all in the middle of that.

Joe?

I think the answer is the cocktail party scene, but I also want to add that like that

the scrabble tile sequence happens at the same time as like Whistler and Carl and Mother are messing around with the box.

You know what I mean?

Like you're doing two things at once in a scene.

I think, you know, and figuring out what it can do,

that that tension.

So they're like trying to figure out the James Horner score is going crazy in that sequence.

Pianos are like being tossed off of cliffs and stuff like that.

I just think that that's such a smart.

economy.

It's so hard to make hacking look interesting, right?

Because you're just sitting in front of a monitor.

Most movies fit.

And you know what, you know what can make it more interesting?

A Scrabble game.

Throw some scrabble tiles on top of that what's the most 1992 thing about this movie

um

is it robert redford's light wash straight leg dad jeans i i had redford's baseball jacket because it's the same jacket from the natural it's not the exact literally the same coat right that looks like the jacket from the natural and then i googled it and it it's not the exact same one it's the exact

same jacket it's not it's that's what it said on the internet about half-ass internet research i know but

My whole ass internet research

found out that it's not the same jacket, but it looks the same.

Like, definitely?

Definitely.

But he goes.

Is it more fun if it is the same jacket?

Let's just pretend that it's not.

Here's my question.

Here's my question.

He goes to Union College, I think, is the name of the college that he and

Cosmo go to, and that's the college from The Way We Were.

Yeah.

And then Martin Bishop is a name from Three Days of the Condor.

Yeah.

And then the jacket is like meant to look like the jacket from the natural.

So is this just like Robert Redford fan fiction?

Like, is this just like, let's say,

maybe the internet information's wrong?

It's not the exact same jacket, but it's very close.

It's intimidating to have Joanna on the rewatchables.

Just like, just whole ass internet research, Jubilee.

I didn't realize we were doing whole ass internet research.

I thought it was half-ass.

Mary McDonald's hair.

Which is feathered to hell.

Barrier 1992.

She looks amazing.

Barrier 1992 things.

First of all, they're in the Fox Theater.

That's That's where they're, it's an Oakland theater.

It's a, it's a usable venue, but that's where their lair is.

So 1992, the idea that these guys

who a woman at the beating of the movie says not a very good living that you make could afford

that

place in the Bay Area, 1992.

The fact that they find street parking on Spears Street when they do the handoff under the Bay Bridge, 1992.

It's a different Bay Area.

Wow, this is hardcore.

I just had lady who says that about not a good living.

What an asshole.

Was that totally necessary?

Hey, you know, like you work the counter at a bank.

What are you casting judgment about?

I hate that lady.

I had the computer hacker graphics

and manipulating a dating service for some sort and some sort of

kind of caper-y type thing.

Because now would you be manipulating what?

What would it be now, Craig?

Tinder?

Yeah.

You could still use a dating service.

Bumble or Hanger.

Bumble.

Yeah, it'd be bumblebee.

And it's not even internet dating.

It's computer dating.

Right,

But this was computer dating, heyday for movies.

It could possibly Apex Mountain because singles has a whole plot around it.

Sure.

And then See a Love with Pacino.

They do the phone service dating thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is why Craig didn't resonate with this movie.

He didn't understand the dating.

Zuckerberg saw this and was like, I'm going to come up with this.

Yeah, it's a little bit better.

I actually have a, I have that in What's Age the Worst.

When Ben Kingsley's care, when Cosmo says a computer matched him with her, I don't think so.

I'm like, actually,

bad matches happen all the time on dating.

That's why he's Sir Ben Kingsley.

He lives above.

He doesn't need to use a dating server.

First 1992 thing, hiding something in an answering machine?

I mean, I had a major plot point about an answering machine, another one about a car phone.

But my answer was in the actual Siskel and Ebert episode where they did the TV show on this.

Gene Siskel introduces the movie by saying, starring Robert Redford, Sidney Poitier, and Timothy Busfeld from 30 Something.

Like, holy shit.

He jumped over Dan Aykroyd, who was in Ghostbusters and Mary McDonald's in Dancing with Wolfs.

And the producer's like, no, Gene, trust me, 30 Something's big.

You got to make sure you get Busfeld.

You got to stump for Busfeld.

I had one more.

The movie ends with a national news report announcing the sudden bankruptcy of the Republican National Committee.

Yep.

And that simultaneous large donations were made to Amnesty International, Greenpeace, and the United Negro College Fund.

It just felt very 92 to me just that they picked those charities yes and then we had a national news thing what's age the best

all the republican barbs are pretty interesting

in the 2025 context

like pure sucker punches right to the bridge of the nose and i don't remember there being any conversation about it like now that would there'd be picketing and there'd be james tweets and everyone would lose their minds like that's i don't i don't know it's funny because this movie comes out right as everybody was really turning on the Republicans in 92 and Clinton was rising and the election's about to happen.

There's that George H.W.

Bush dig, right?

Where like the homeless man's like, they're taking my home.

And he's like, ask him.

And he points to a Bush poster.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, in college, it happened fast.

Yeah.

It was going great for Bush.

And then all of a sudden, people are like, he's out.

Clinton's in.

We're like, okay.

The guy doesn't like one stem of broccoli and it's all over.

What do you have for what's age the best?

I would say information age paranoia and emotionally stunted men in Silicon Valley trying to run or ruin the world.

I got one bill that I know is a specialty of yours.

We talked about this in the RoboCop pod.

Screenwriting hack.

If you want to make a character loathsome and give your hero a great line, name the loathsome character dick.

And it allows Bishop to say, oh, I can't tell you what a relief that is.

Pause.

Dick.

It's so good every single time.

Breakfast Club does it.

RoboCop does it.

Speakers does it.

It always hits.

When we read our 80s action movie, that will be, we'll have somebody would be named Dick.

We'll do that.

I have, speaking of that, of tropes, any movie like this where something happens with one of the heroes and like he falls, stumbles, whatever, and he does it.

We're getting too old for this.

Oh, the boss.

I don't know how many movies that sentence has been said in, but it's over 30.

The way that

he just

biffs.

over that counter is so funny.

Do you think that was intentional?

It's hilarious.

It looks like it.

I think the way that Poitier just doesn't react means it's a stunt, but because he just keeps running, but like, it's a good

50s.

You can't have to get injured on that shit.

It is really funny, though.

Yeah, it's really funny.

What's age the best?

Dan Aykroyd is a kooky conspiracy theorist person because I think he is in real life.

He definitely is.

I love all the behind the stuff, the scene stuff.

He goes, oh, I based this on my brother.

This is my brother.

I got all of this from my brother because they added all of that conspiracy theory stuff to the character while they were making the movie.

They like didn't really have a full character for mother, and so they added all that stuff, I think, to make Dan Ayroyd feel better about the fact that he wasn't playing Cosmo.

Oh, excellent.

And they're like, We'll give you this runner about conspiracy theory stuff.

And so, in all the behind-the-scenes stuff, he's like, Oh, yeah, this is just my brother.

And I'm like, Dan, it's you actually.

I think this is now.

You think the NSA killed Kellen Kennedy?

No, they shot him, but they didn't kill him.

He's still alive.

Like, it's so good.

This is what he says.

He got this for his friend in Desert Storm, but he's on the other side.

Oh, that kills me every time.

Yeah, I can't blame a sibling for all my conspiracy theories.

I just have to own them myself.

Oh, God.

I love conspiracy bill, though.

For what's age the best, I really like Marty's old orange Porsche.

That's my, that's my, what I want.

It's not a.

Do you want me to tell you that it's not a Porsche?

What is it?

It's probably a fake Porsche.

What is it?

No, it's a VW.

Oh, hold on.

I thought Brianna might have wanted the jacket because he wore the same jacket in the book.

I was thinking the jacket.

I thought that was like an early

60s.

It's a 1967 Volkswagen Carmen Guilla convertible, and it's the same car that Brad Pitt drives in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Brad Pitt drives the light blue one.

I found that on the same show.

They never showed the side.

They never showed the back of it, at least for what I could tell.

So I thought it was a portion.

I found that on the same in-depth blog post where they said it's definitely not the same Letterman jacket from

that post, and I'm not going to listen to that.

But he goes into like the watches that he's wearing and like all this.

It's like a very like James bondification of Marty Bishop.

What are his jackets?

What are his watches?

What is What is the car?

What is his car phone?

I like the, I will not shoot my friend.

Shoot my friend.

Shoot my friend.

Great line.

Great bad line.

I also like right after that.

It's give me the box right now or I will kill you right now.

Just good dialogue.

I like it.

Catch it.

There's also so many

little unspoken joke moments.

Like at the very beginning, when Carl has put like dark grease paint on his face in order to sort of debut night stealth mode for the bank heist.

And then Sidney Poitier just like walks up and looks at him and just like keeps going.

It's really good.

Speaking of him, motherfuckers mess with me, I'll split your head.

All of a sudden, it's just out of nowhere.

Yeah, they call me Mr.

Prime.

It's one of the most revered actors we had.

It was crazy hearing him say that.

It's crazy now.

It's also like kind of a screenwriting hack.

If you want someone to be instantly unlikable, like some random security guard, make him say a racial slur to Sidney Poitier to turn around for no reason.

And then he goes shotgun to the face.

Yeah.

Motherfuckers messed with me.

I'll split you ahead.

Even mother goes, wow.

I think that was just Dan Aykroyd.

I don't think that was mother.

The last what's age your best is a pretty unique one.

Nick Brattell wrote this whole slate piece about how great the score was in 2012.

And he was a young composer at that time, not really a name guy.

And eventually ends up doing

all the scores for succession, which is like, I think, one of the most famous scores of this century.

He talks about and is now, he's doing this.

He's got some stuff coming that I know about that I'm not allowed to say.

Tell me later.

But like, he does, he, but he's like, I would say one of the most famous under 50 composers we have right now for movies and TV.

And he talks about how obsessed he is with that James Horner score.

And it is such a weird score, right?

Because you've got the, you've got the saxophone, which is very 90s, right?

And you've got this sort of like smooth saxophone.

Marsalis.

Yeah.

Brentford Marsalis, like really good stuff.

Then you've got the like weird, almost like haunted Tim Burton Christmas, like, ah, ah, like vocals on there.

And then you've got those like pianos off the cliff stuff that they do.

And it's just like such a weird, great score.

More than a good, what's the most 1992 thing about this movie is the score feels very early 90s to me.

It just feels like, it feels like three different early 90s scores.

Corner is like, he's like the sound of the 90s.

He's doing Titanic and Braveheart.

Like that's like, those are just all

the same shit.

Yeah.

Aliens, he did.

All right.

Bicahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink.

So we never see the pizza in the beginning, but I do think it wins the award.

Pepperoni pizza run.

And I do wonder, should he have gone to get the pizza and brought it back with the box and then

Cosmo gets nailed?

So we could have seen the pizza run.

Dropped the pizza in the snow.

I'm always pro.

I just want to see the pizza when somebody's

in a movie.

We talk so much about does he care or not that Cosmo was arrested i think he's out there eating the pizza in front of him as he's getting handed away and he's doing the attitude era sucking thing

like i think he's doing all that he got the pizza he ate the whole fucking thing oh man tough tough

great

great shotgord award most

wait what about the dim sum that steven tobolowski has stuffed in his

dim sum bar

that's probably a better answer only because we don't get to see

the pizza.

Yeah.

What did you have for Great Shot Gordo award, Kyle?

There's so many candidates.

This movie has a million, and mine is like a maybe like a 10 seed, but when there's a scene when Redford gets thrown out of the moving car and it's this beautiful shot of Alcatraz behind him as the sun's rising, I was like, holy shit, somebody's cooking there.

That's a good one.

That was on my list was Sunrise on Lombard Street in San Francisco.

Because it's so hard to get that shot.

You're in the middle of Lombard Street.

But

i would say the code reflected on whistler's glasses is like the

like icon of the movie kid cutting pursuit of happiness where best needle drop is clearly guys singing bad bad leroy brown in chinese

i'd say

download that on spotify warner werner brandis we have some notes but your first aid move is dim sum and karaoke in chinatown i think it's a i think it's a 10 out of 10.

i think that's a a great first

comment.

I think they made, there's a case they could have ended up together.

Yeah, that's a hard cut to that guy.

It's like, baddest man in the whole day.

I laugh every time.

It's so good.

He's great.

What about Aretha Franklin, Chain of Fools?

When Mary McDonald danced with everyone.

Yeah.

And Dan Eckrid has some moves.

Did you know that Dan Eckrid's a great dancer?

Look at the credit sequence of The Great Outdoors.

He's incredible.

Really good dancer.

Great point.

I mean, he landed Donna Dixon.

I assume he did.

You did a lot of time.

I think he did that.

Bill, if He's a good dancer.

You know what else he is?

Come on.

Number one overall pick.

I have another question.

In the background of that party, you hear Dylan's Everybody Must Get Stoned before he starts singing.

You just like hear the iconic opening of it.

Yeah.

Do you have to pay for it if you don't hear Dylan sing?

You still have to pay for it, right?

And isn't that hideously expensive?

On TV, you can barely go up to seven seconds.

In movies, I don't think you can.

Yeah.

I think you have to

pay whatever.

Chess Rockwell Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name.

It's got got to be a blind guy named Whistler.

I don't know.

Are we topping that?

I think Werner Brandis is really good.

I think Gunter Jennic Yannick is really good.

Gunter Yannick is Donald Logue's character.

Whistler Mother Crease, Cosmo.

I mean, Cosmo a couple of years before Cosmo Kramer.

Yeah.

He just came out of the wire.

All right.

We're taking a break and then Joanna's got a flex category.

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All right, Joanna, Flex category, what do you got?

Well, we already did, I was, I actually had two because

Was there a

better title for this movie was going to be one of the ones I picked, but we already covered that.

And the only reason I had two, because I was worried this other one is the most obvious one, which is the Matt Damon and Euro Trip Award for most unexpected A-lister camp.

Sure.

James Earl Jones.

James Earl Jones.

Yeah, that's a good one.

That's fair.

Do you think

James Earl Jones knows the words to Scotty Doesn't Know?

And would you like to hear that?

Scotty doesn't know.

With Sora 2, you can.

That was not an adversary.

Oh, no.

The Butcher's Girlfriend Award for week link of the film.

I'm going to go last because I'm coming hot.

What do you got, Kyle?

All right.

I just have no fucking idea how that black box works.

I don't understand.

I don't know what it means.

I don't understand the technology.

It's like, it's a magic box.

It's one of these items like the Tesseract or the Sankara stones.

We're just like, it's just go with it.

It can hack anything in the world.

I don't understand the technology or any of that shit.

And everybody wants it, but I don't get it.

I had it in Pick and Knits.

It's basically, it's an encryption encryption-breaking chip, but it's magical.

This is how you have to think about it.

Mathematically, this definitely does not exist.

Decode,

well, we don't know about it if it does exist.

Would we know about it?

That's the most important thing.

I don't think it would be a chip that could solve everything.

Seems unrealistic to me.

In 1992, I was like, okay, maybe.

I didn't get it.

I still don't get it.

All right.

I'm coming in way higher than that.

I think mine might be the same as yours.

It's unrealistic.

it is Ben Kingsley, but I love him in this movie, but it's not not Ben Kingsley, who's in a different movie altogether.

So I had Ben Kingsley as the weak link.

Yeah.

I also have him getting three other categories.

The Judd Nelson and New Jack City Award for actor who's in a completely different movie.

He is.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge Over Acting Award.

Yes.

And then a new award, Kyle, just for you.

The Stephen Seagal Award for we should have gotten you a running double.

Can we talk about his running?

Is this what you take, bro?

Yeah, I take this for you guys.

He's the anti-Redford, because Redford's a great movie runner.

He's the anti-Redford.

Can you see?

The run is tough.

Yeah.

Oh.

It's a double run.

It's a trot.

He does, but then he does it again.

Then he runs over the next thing.

It's like he couldn't figure out how to run in loafers or something.

What is he doing?

How did they not do a second cut?

He's like kind of restricting.

It's almost like watching somebody run on ice when they have sneakers.

Like after you win the Stanley Cup,

he's running.

We don't know what the mafia did to him in person.

We don't know what the mafia did to him.

He's the least cool bad guy.

He's not scary.

That's not true at all because he just ran past a tank full of little sharks.

I knew Joe Anna would hate this.

No, I don't hate it.

I agree with you.

Ben Kingsley is like.

His hair, like the weird.

It's just like Segal.

He's got the ponytail.

It's the same years.

It's the same run.

Actually, Bill, after you showed that video, they're not taking his sir away.

It's gone.

It's staying in the middle.

You know you shouldn't get sir when you when you're running like that.

I think they either run fast or walk fast, but you can't like do a job.

He runs in there, Bill, and he goes, he goes, why is it so hot in here?

Hey, better question.

What the fuck was that last 10 yards cause?

When all the actors were interviewed about this movie,

they know exactly what this movie is, which is this like lighthearted entertainment move, right?

It's a fun caper movie, right?

And, you know, Akway's like, my character is a conspiracy theorist.

Phoenix is like, my character is the young guy who wants to be like the other guys.

He worships them.

And then Ben Kingsley's like,

my character has no soul, no emotional core.

Marty is his emotional wire.

Like, he's talking about like he's in Shakespeare.

Like, he's on a different project altogether and he's playing to the rafters.

He's not doing the movies Kyle and I love.

And there's, and we did, we even did like a one to 10 scale of bad guys and movies.

Like Jeremy Irons and Die Hard with a Vengeance is a good example.

Like it's the Hans Gruber scale.

I'm the villain, but I'm having fun with this.

There's going to be some unintentional comedy for you.

I'm really going to chew up the scenery.

I don't know what Ben Kingsley is doing in this movie necessarily.

When he says, Money

on the roof, that's not him having fun and chewing up the scenery.

You don't think I got a question?

Joanna, what's going on with the moment?

What's the subtext when he goes, don't go?

Like, is he in love with him?

I'm honestly asking that.

that.

I think he is.

Honestly, this made me.

I had a whole crisis of Ben Kingsley.

Oh, did you know?

I started thinking through other Ben Kingsley.

Yeah, I started thinking through other Ben Kingsley's parts, and I'm like, you know, he's really bad in species, but I kind of enjoy how bad he is because I don't think he wants to be in the movie.

Yeah.

In Searching for Bobby Fisher, he's kind of a psychopath.

This is, this take is too hot for.

Keep cooking, bill.

Keep cooking.

Come on, baby.

I want a social clip out of this.

But the thing is,

are we sure Ben Kingsley is good?

Are we sure he could have gotten served?

But I'm with Audi.

You missed the Sopranos.

He's so fucking good in the Sopranos episode with Christopher that I think he is good.

I just think he feels like he has to do something different in each movie.

And sometimes the choice doesn't work.

He's trying really hard in this movie and everyone else is just having a lot of fun.

Your feelings seem hurt.

What do you got?

Oh, no, my feelings are soaring.

I think it's absolutely hilarious that Bill thinks the weak link of this movie is a 10-second period in which Ben Kingsley runs.

And I think it's funny and I get it.

You know, because he's doing the power stride with the remote, and that's fine.

But there's such a chasm between running and walking.

He walks fine.

The run is instantly terrible.

It's part of it.

He has different accents.

He never picks an accent.

And why does Cosmo have to have an accent?

I don't know.

No reason.

He could have.

He's going to union college.

What is he?

And also, I've heard Ben Kingsley do an American accent.

He can do it okay.

I don't know what choices he's making in this movie, but it's very strange.

He's like,

and then he's like, Will you step away from the ladder?

And we're like, Wait, holy shit, which one is that, Cosmo?

It's like almost trying like a Bronx accent.

Yeah, I don't know.

I had for a recasting couch for this

William Hurt.

Well, what's funny is that Ben Kingsley is like over 10 years younger than Robert Redford, so it is weird to have them as like old buddies.

Almost trying to look older, yeah, like more gray in his hair and stuff like that.

John Voigt doing his coach Bud Kilmer like evil guy.

You don't think that, like, isn't Voigt in a completely different movie in Varsity Blues?

Like, Voigt would bring the same energy.

I know.

Y'all have a good time.

It would be the same energy.

It would be unhinged energy.

I would, I would happily take it.

William Hurt?

No?

I think William Hurt is too normal for what you need in Cosmo.

You need a guy who went to prison and like lost his marbles.

How about all right?

How about you want someone who lost his marbles?

How about Willem Dafoe?

Yeah, there it is.

Willem Dafoe, that's a really good one.

That's a great one.

Yeah, I mean, it's instead of him doing

Speed 2, I guess that was a little bit later.

Anyway, I can't wait for the social clip where we showed Ben Kingsley running multiple times.

Can we put it in?

I'm going to retweet it.

Then I'm going to take the retweet logo off and unretweet it and then retweet it again so I can just keep promoting the retweet.

That's a pro move.

Retweet it again.

I love it.

What's age the worst?

You mentioned Redford.

He was 56 when he made this movie.

He's just too old to be in this movie, but I'm fine with it.

I'm not arguing.

But if he's in the late 60s and this movie's in 1992, that's 23 years.

So even if he's like a grad school student in Union, you're still in your mid-40s when you're in this movie and he's 56.

Something that the screenwriters talked about is that, again, they worked on this from

like right after War Games to when it came out.

So for 10 years.

And they said every time they came back to the screenplay, screenplay, they just changed Marty's age to their age.

Marty was always their age.

But they were only like 42 when they made the movie.

So like, I think Marty's trying, like, Redford's trying to go for early 40s in this, failing, but trying.

There's a story, though, Kyle.

Yeah.

From our guy Robinson, the director.

He was at Kevin Costner's Oscar party.

The net he went with Dances with Wolves.

The CA agent came up to him.

They're making sneakers at this point.

He's trying to get Bob into the movie.

And he's like, Bob, who?

He said, Redford, for what movie?

Sneakers.

For what role?

The lead.

And he said, no, no, no, the character is my age.

It's a lot younger.

And then he said,

all right, just send it to him.

I don't want to insult him.

He's one of my idols.

Okay.

And then

he read it.

And when Robert Redford wants to do your movie and you're Phil Audien Robinson, you say yes.

You say yes.

And everyone follows Rob Redford.

Like, that's how they get everyone.

That's why there's no casting wood-ifs for this movie.

Yeah, exactly.

Because everyone's like, Redford's in.

I'm in.

I have

later on unanswerable questions.

I don't want to insult you, Joanna, because I know you love this movie.

You love Rob.

So do I.

I already insulted her with the Ben Kingsley stuff.

Don't worry.

Uninsulted.

I'm living my best life.

I'm doing sneakers rewatchables.

I couldn't be happier.

All right.

Is this a better movie with Kevin Costner in the lead?

Just hear me out.

I think he's slightly funnier than Robert Redford.

He could be just as charming.

He's a little younger.

And if you put Willem Dafoe as Cosmo, you get the band back together with mary mcdonald and james roll it might be a better movie i wouldn't

i wouldn't hate it because i do love this era of costner a lot costner would have been great but i love that rubber redford did this movie i think it's an important redford catalog movie he needs it but you're right coster's really good in this movie if he's in it absolutely yes more would sage the worst

so listen i love scrabble huge simmons family game but i wonder like if this movie was made now would it be like they're playing block blast or roblox

Does anyone play Scrabble in 2025?

When was the last time Scrabble happened?

I play Scrabble with my nephews.

People play Scrabble.

Younger people are playing Scrabble still?

Yeah.

Craig?

It's like a board game.

When was the last time you played Scrabble board?

Look, I haven't played Scrabble in a while, but that doesn't mean it's too old.

Also, like Redford's 656 in this movie.

What would you be playing now?

I'm just, I'm thinking about for a what's age the worst, seeing Scrabble pieces, which I think really meant something in 1992 because Scrabble and Monopoly were like the big two.

Yeah, I don't know.

I think there's still a kind of a nostalgic love for Scrabble.

Okay, good.

The seduction scene in the math guy's office is too silly.

I leave a message on service, but you do not call.

It becomes an SNL sketch for two minutes.

I flag.

You do what we did in Mexico City, baby.

I didn't know you could do that in Mexico City.

Anything else, Kyle, for what stage the worst?

We've covered all mine.

Okay.

I have one.

I think most of David Strotherna's Whistler is good.

It could be dicey in the early 90s, but like, I think the dancing,

I might do another take on the dancing, which is a little too TV wonder for my taste.

Okay.

Yeah.

Kyle, you have a flex category.

Okay.

I was going to go rock band Cootie's Rat Seaman, who would totally be on the band's warp tour, but instead, I'm going to go.

I'm going to go the Mallory Rubin.

Did this movie need a better sex scene?

And you think that I'm going to say that it's Bish and and Liz?

It's not.

It's Carl and Mary at the fucking end of the movie.

I have always loved Mary with the Uzi.

I always thought she was a total babe.

Her name's Amy Benedict.

She's worked consistently for 30 years.

She's the babysitter on 30-something, who I think had an affair with somebody.

Perfect.

Yeah.

I feel like Carl deserved some love at the end of the movie.

And Bill, I'm sorry, Joanne, I'm going to defile this podcast, but Bill, I'd like to officially induct Carl into the Rudy Rudiger Horney Hall of Fame characters.

Carl is in.

Loud and Swain from Vision Quest is in.

And Bill, you nominated both Wyatt and Gary from Wayne Science, Weird Science.

Yes.

They're in, and Carl is in on the strength of getting the phone number.

Yes.

Who else?

Joel Goodson has to be in.

Joel Goodson, without a doubt, in the suburbs of Chicago.

He's a first ballot guy.

And so is Carl.

Okay, do you think if it's 1992, we have the same terrible poster, the same terrible title,

but the tagline is there's a River Phoenix sex scene in this?

Do you think this movie better?

Yes, as long as it's

there's a River Phoenix sex scene.

Yeah, and it's

better.

Yeah, they push River Phoenix.

Everything's good.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford's hottest take award.

What do you have, Joanna?

Okay, here's my tepid take is this is Redford's best film of the 90s, and I don't think it's particularly close.

My hotter take is I think this is Redford's last great movie, barring his Marvel movies.

Yeah, directorial doesn't count, barring his Marvel movies, it's a different thing altogether.

I would agree, yeah, this is his last great movie.

People would put Chris Show as a, but he directed it, but he directed it.

I'm not talking about Chris's show as unimpeachable, but like

there's a couple late, late Redford stuff that people stump for, but I think this is it.

This is his last great movie.

What do you have, Kyle?

Mine's got some heat on it.

Um, oh boy, I'm ready.

Marty Bishop doing the slow walk across Cosmo's office and back is more impressive to me than anything Ethan Hunt ever did in a Mission Impossible movie.

Let me lay it down for you.

I'm with you.

I had

a better than Mission Impossible.

And I think this is

a 56-year-old man who has been knocked unconscious three times in the last couple of days.

He is doing this in a room that is 98.6 degrees, and the shotguns are coming for him if he goes three inches per second instead of two.

Ethan Hunt learned to hold his breath for a long time.

La-de-da-di-da.

Everything he did is physical and can be trained with some balls over enough time.

Bish, poise, focus.

When I was a kid and I watched this movie, I used to try to walk across my room holding like a slaughtered CD and trying to do this.

And after like 20 seconds, I'd just get bored with it and stop.

It's fucking impossible.

I think it's incredible that he pulled it off.

Kyle is so generous that at the start of this podcast, you're like, Joanna, you might be a better sneakers fan than I am when you used to sort of like practice Bish's slow walk across cognitive zone.

That's why the the three of us are here.

If either of you had been left out, it would have, I don't know if it would have been reparable.

That's an incredible anecdote.

I love to know that.

I should, Kyle should have gone last.

No, go on.

What do you got?

Beat the three hundred.

Mine is, mine is, it's not incredibly hot.

It's not as good as what you just did, but I think in 2025,

right now, when you think of all the people that are alive in the world and how many people like under 40 there are,

I think this might be his most popular movie.

Okay.

Go on.

Redford's most popular movie?

Yeah.

Because like The Sting, Butch Cassidy, I just don't think people under 40 are ever watching those.

Unless like we're looking at the movie.

He made a movie called Calf America Winter Soldier, and then he made a movie called Avengers Endgame.

That's not his movie.

Winter Soldier doesn't count as a resident.

There's one movie.

Go ahead.

Go ahead, John.

Go ahead.

Well, if you're like, what do young people know him from?

They know him.

That's a different movie from

Winter Soldier.

I'm saying most popular movie that he was the front of

i would have said the natural forever but i don't even know if the natural has aged the same way

like in the 90s you would have said the natural no question butch cassidy honestly just like in terms of where it stands i don't know how many people are watching butch cassidy anymore though that's what worries me i i would have said all the presidents van is the other one i i know what you're saying that like i always say like if i showed it to my son could he make it through the movie there's one movie that relies on infamy and it's indecent proposal and the whole thing about million bucks to be with Demi Moore for the night-that is a concept-like a relevancy, yeah.

Yeah, like that, even that gimmick, if you remade it, it would be interesting.

Just the fact that you could do that and you make it a hundred million for a night, like that one may be, but I see what you're saying with the sneaker.

I think the answer might be all the president's men, though.

It's either that's true, because that just comes up every couple of months in the current political landscape that we live in.

Still, the best journalism movie I read put it back on, yeah.

Casting what ifs, we don't have any.

Uh, Mary Mary Steenbergen as Liz.

I saw that, I i disregarded it okay it said she was considered

i saw it i didn't care it's like saying van nathan was considered for the sneakers podcast yeah

what does considered mean somebody mentioned once

best that guy timothy busfield not eligible no you know who is eligible our guy stephen tobolowski old time that guy i think I sat next to Stephen Tobolowski at a wedding once and we shared an Uber back to the hotel.

How was he?

Is that where it ended?

That's where where it ended.

That sounded like a romantic

wedding ended.

I was married to Stephen Tobolowski.

Joanna, was he like, Joanna, would you like to have breakfast with me?

Should I pony or nudge you?

You know what?

It's the best nutrition in the bottom of a monkey cage.

I read that somewhere.

Yeah, yeah.

Warner Brandon.

He's great.

Phil.

Yeah.

I will.

Phil Conner.

Here's my question.

Is there a better three-year that guy run?

Go on.

Pantaliano accepted.

Yeah.

Than Thoma and Louise, Basic Instinct, Single White Female, Sneakers, and Groundhog Day, all in three years.

It's a great run.

Tobolowski has an awesome one-scene part in Spaceballs as well.

Oh, yeah.

Where they capture the stunt doubles.

He's just, he's so, so good.

He has a podcast now.

He talks about all this stuff.

Tobolowski files.

He's loved this movie.

I think if you're ranking,

if we did Tobolowski rankings,

Groundhog Day has got to still be number one.

Phil?

Can I say that?

Phil knows Ned.

Ned the head.

Yes, the best.

My friend's wedding, who I sat next to, that friend is like the first person I ever podcasted with, David Chen.

And the first time I ever talked to him on the phone, he called me and he's like, oh, wait, hold on.

I have someone on the other line.

And he's like, oh, I'm going to pass them through.

And it was Stephen Tobolowski.

And basically, he

had Stephen, I've never called him on this, but I'm pretty sure

he got Stephen Tobolowski on the line to like impress me so that I would do a podcast with him.

Wow.

It was really, really fun.

But it worked.

It did work.

Yeah.

And then we wound up as wedding.

Phil?

Got the shingles real bad senior year.

Yeah, Phil

told me not to.

Was he first Ballot Hall of Fame for that guy?

He's got to be, right?

100%.

I also think he doesn't, his name is hard to remember, which I think factors into the that guy rankings.

If he had a really cool, memorable name that was easy to remember,

the cool

thing is.

I got to say, I forgot his name again.

Of course.

And we've done this is one, two, three rewatches.

If his name was like Mac Jones, you would never forget that.

But Stephen Tobowowski.

I think you should rename this the Steven Tobolowski Best That Guy Award.

Well, it's already named after Joe Pennylow.

But I think you should.

You should put Tobo on there.

Donald Logue is also in this movie.

He's telling me fucking.

Everybody's telling me to fuck myself.

Nobody beats Joey Pants.

I also do think that Eddie Jones, who's also in a league of their own

and the Grifters and Rocketeers.

He's a good.

So that's a really good That Guy because I didn't even know what that guy's name was.

Yeah.

Yeah.

DM Waiters, James Earl Jones.

Can we just move on?

But I would, no, but also, Amy Benedict is Mary.

I think, I think that's like a good shout out to Mary.

I love her.

Yeah, Mary.

We love Mary.

She has had a couple of girls like stone cold at WrestleMania, just kicking ass and clearing.

Also, fun fact, she gives him a 415 number, which is a real Bay Area area code.

And for a while, that you could call that number and you got a they owned it, right?

Yeah, you got a little like message of like, those are.

I agree.

I agree.

I love it.

Kyle and I do our action movie.

We're going to do a real phone number.

I love a phone number easy.

Yeah, we'll just buy the phone number and then we'll be like an actual people could could call it uh recasting couch we already did it unless there's another recasting no i'm good all right craig you have a flex category come on craig i'm going positive which might surprise you uh i'm doing dent of thieves scene stealing location i think san francisco the area hell yeah is the best movie location straight up i think it's the most diverse you have you have water you have skyscrapers the streets the hills bridges the bridges i feel like you can kind of deal with them and i think the first hour of this movie is a little slow.

And I honestly think it picks up the second they go outside and you start to see the bridge and you kind of realize you're in San Francisco, it super picks up.

You know, Vertigo,

Mrs.

Doubtfire, Big Trouble in Little China, there's so many great San Francisco movies that I think it's the, you can, you can do the most with San Francisco compared to like New York, Chicago, or LA.

That's a good take.

You know, I really agree as someone from the Bay Area.

Thank you so much.

I'm just singing out to Joanna.

No, but also I think The Rock, another good movie.

This is such a good Bay Area.

Like, as I said, Bay Area movie.

They didn't film

the tunnel scene where

they kill the Russian guy, Greg, did not, was not filmed in the Rainbow Tunnel, but it might as well be.

Like, you feel like you're in the Bay Area when there's enough external shots.

You get a cable car, you get all the things that you need to do.

Just think you can do the most with it.

Yeah, it's a great take.

You know, it bums me out because San Francisco versus Boston, there's been a little rivalry about what's a cooler city to go visit, live in, all that.

You You know, very similar.

They're bookends to each other.

And San Francisco has always translated way better in movies.

And I just got, I got to hand it to him.

There's more distinct landscape.

Even like random movies like So I Married an Axe Murderer.

Yeah, yeah.

Basic instinct, like movies that, especially when we do like the drive, whether you can see the water and we got like the weird cliffs and stuff.

Something go up to Wine Country at some point.

The car, Mike Myers drives the same, that same orange car and So I Married an Axe Murderer.

I feel like it was just like a San Francisco car they had around.

Hey, did you also hear Robert Redford wears the same letter jacket and two movies?

Same exact one?

Identical?

I'm with you on San Francisco.

Good one, Craig.

Half-past earned research.

So they pranked Red, they pranked Robinson.

They had a visit from the Office of Naval Intelligence.

who was trying to get him to change the script because it was divulging too much stuff.

And it turned out it was a prank.

And he was like freaked out about it and got a lawyer.

And then it was probably like Redford because it was pranked.

Redford loved pranks.

It was a big prank.

Yeah, like Clooney, same thing.

The character, there's a lot of stuff about the characters based on people who were famous.

Yeah, Captain Crunch.

Yeah, we, you can Google that if you want, but there's.

Well, here's what I'll say about the phone freakers, the like, the inspirations for all these guys.

The character names, all that stuff.

Something to

contextualize it is that like Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were phone freakers.

Like they started by selling these like blue boxes, which you could use.

There's like a shot at Ma Bell in this movie, right?

You got to got to take money from Ma Bell, right?

Like, so they founded like the Apple Fortune starts with these two guys illegally defrauding the phone company.

And that's like a Silicon Valley dream origin story.

And that's the kind of guys that this is

dealing with.

I never knew about that Captain Crunch whistle thing as like you could hack into phone calls and stuff.

I didn't either.

I just, I, is that like one of those things like Paul from Wonder Years is Marilyn Manson?

I don't know.

Very strange.

I mean, that's real.

Yeah.

So the professor they used

to help

them with like the consulting, Professor Lynn Adelman,

one of the three mathicians who invented the RSA crypto system.

The A and R S A.

Much later.

Yeah.

They had kind of a dream team of people helping them out with this.

So he wrote all the Yannick lecture notes and his, and what he says there, which is like actual real math, I guess.

But did you see the fact that the reason they got Len Alderman to do this is he wanted his wife to be able to meet Robert Redford?

And it reminded me of, I don't, I don't remember if you guys said this on the Tin Cup rewatchables, but it reminds me of the story of like how they got all the golf, the actual golf guys in Tin Cup is that they just trotted Costner and Don Johnson around to all of their wives.

Oh, yeah, yeah, that is true.

Oh, yeah.

So this is what, like, they were like, your wife could meet Robert Redford if you do this favor for us.

It's great.

It's a great trick to have.

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Apex Mountain, Redford, obviously not.

No.

It's probably not for River Phoenix, but what is River Phoenix's Apex Mountain?

Stand by Me or My Own Private Idaho or Idaho.

Running on

Idaho.

Yeah.

Sydney Poitier, in a way.

1967.

Great in the movie though.

Absolutely killing it.

Actually, one of the best Apex Mountaineers anyone ever had, 67.

Yeah.

Won the Oscar.

He's like two of the biggest movies.

Like he was just.

Killing it.

Yeah, crushing it.

Act right now.

Weird Ben Kingsley performances.

That's species.

I still think species, right?

Species.

He's got fucking nuts in species.

But not movies.

He tries to lock Mattson and Mark Elgeberger in the glass case.

Keep them in there.

Murder them.

This movie's about guys who sneak around in a banks.

That movie is about a woman's tongue goes through the the back of somebody's head.

Like, it's gotta be that.

I saw that on HBO way too young, and I just it changed me forever.

One of the one of the classics.

Walking one inch per hour to evade security sensors just has to be it.

Sure.

And yes.

Scravel tiles.

Yeah.

The name Cosmo in a piece of pop culture, I'm going to still say Seinfeld.

Got to be Seinfeld.

Although there was a Cosmo Renaissance here in the early 90s.

Yeah.

Geese sounding like a cocktail party.

They stole that from that parallel.

That's in a different movie as well.

They took that from a different movie.

Okay.

But I love it.

I did not write it down.

Mary McDonald's half as internet research for you.

But would you watch it?

Would you do a double feature of geese sounding like cocktail party?

Yeah, I need to be covered on all things secrets.

So yes, absolutely.

I'll text it to you later.

All right, please.

Mary McDonald character is being seduced by old flames.

Probably this over blue chips.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Mary McDonald now.

It's Dances Wolves.

How about Braille Playboy?

Seen Braille Playboy?

Awesome.

In a movie before?

That's kind of.

That's how we were back then, Bill.

I would have looked at a Braille Playboy just to get my hands on him.

I don't even know what it means.

Oh, this is great.

This feels like one.

And then Helium Voice jokes.

The answer is no, but this movie reminded me how much Helium voice humor is just going to get me every time.

Key to the 90s.

What is it about Helium Voices?

It's like the whoopee cushion of performance art.

It's like the stupidest, dumbest gag that's always funny.

Craig, it still plays in 2025.

100%.

I've done it many times.

That's eternal.

It's fun to do.

Transcends generation.

I don't know.

How bad is it for you?

I think it's horrible.

Terrible or is it?

I think that's what Kanye was.

Craig, how often are you doing this?

It's a mini whip it.

I don't know.

I've probably done it five times in my life, but I think it'll be okay.

This is what happened to Kanye.

He did

too many helium balloons.

Too many helium hits.

Cruise or Hanks?

This is Hanks.

It's a perfect Hanks role.

Although I think it'd be funny if Cruz was in it and had to do the slow walk because he's known for running.

I think it would be Cosmo would have to re-engineer his office that if you walk slower than 20 miles an hour, you're dead.

So that's the only way Cruz does it.

It's clearly Hanks.

In 92,

I think actually Hanks could have done it and played older.

But can I just throw out older Cruz, like maybe 2005 range crews as Cosmo?

As Cosmo.

As Cosmo.

Does he have the Magnolia ponytail?

He's got a weird hairdo.

Yeah.

He's got vanilla sky kind of energy.

Okay, vanilla sky energy plus magnolia.

He's running his way back to the bottom.

TJ Mackey hair.

No accent.

Yeah, he's got TJ Mackey hair.

Yeah.

He's way more angry about getting ditched during the pizza and way a little almost like

it's it's about the information.

I don't know if I could take it.

Tame the box.

All right, we'll go with Hanks.

Scorsese or Spielberg?

Clearly, Spielberg.

This is very Spielberg-yeah.

I think if it's Scorsese, you got De Niro as Bish and you got Pesci as Cosmo, and it's just a whole different movie.

It's like, I fucking told you, pepperoni pizza, you hit me fucking.

And it's just,

they're definitely a cocaine in the

community college.

Rolling stones and all that shit.

What role would Philip Simur Hoffman have played?

Clearly, Ackroyd's part, no one

in 92, River Phoenix's role.

Well, but you can have Hoffman, I know, but but remember in like early Hoffman when he was doing like in Twister, like he's doing kind of these like doofy.

Yeah, you're right, Joan General, yeah, she's right, yeah, Dusty from Twister

picking knits that we haven't done.

Um,

okay,

uh-oh,

Given that River Phoenix gets to the office through the vents in the ceiling, did they need the Warner Brandis voice passport

at all?

Like maybe Vish could have just done what Carl did.

I mean, he's 56, so I don't know if he could have, but he could have, someone could have on the team called through the vents.

Okay.

I have a picky knit off that picky knit.

Okay.

Only in movies are these ceiling vents this easy to just crawl around in.

In real life, this would be the seventh circle of hell.

There would be rodent poop and just all kinds of awful stuff.

It'd be pitch black.

There'd be just nothing good about being in a ceiling.

And in movies, they make it just seem like you can move around.

Like it's like a fun major.

In Mission Impossible 1, a rat shows up in the ceiling vent that he's in.

Yeah.

But I also think the entry points, I don't know about you guys, anytime I'm in an elevator or like a public bathroom, I always look at the vents to see if I needed to crawl out if I could.

They're like eight inches by eight inches.

They're tiny.

I always do that.

Every

vent all the time.

You do vent checks.

You check your escape routes.

Could I McLean this thing if I had to?

I started doing that.

I love that.

At least you're not doing it hoping the silence of the lamb's cop isn't bleeding to death over the old man.

What's Apex Mountain for ceiling vent climbing?

And is it the scene in Jurassic Park?

when Lex falls to the ceiling and it's clearly her stunt double and she looks up and they've like CGI replaced her face with the little girl's face.

but she's got the guns of a the mad

falls all time yeah

well I mean I just think ceiling bent I think just come out to the coast yeah have a feeling if you listen I think it's got to be that mclane oh my job

fair um

marty never tried to find cosmo ever Never tried to make sure he was dead.

Just never

gave it up.

Oh, he must be dead in prison.

Okay.

If you heard somebody died in prison, would your

first thought be maybe he didn't?

Was he friends with Cosmo's parents?

Did he check in?

No, he's underground.

He's on the run.

Cosmo's accent, we discussed.

Disasta.

Why did Cosmo

why did he want the black box this badly?

Because the government can't have it.

If the government has it,

then he can't do what he wants to do, which is

steal everyone's money, question mark.

What's his plan?

That's my thing.

That's where I'm getting.

What's his plan?

What's his plan?

Just to disrupt?

Or did he want to be rich?

Because then he says, I don't want anyone to be rich.

I think he just wants to take the money and distribute it evenly among everybody, which is insane.

It doesn't make sense.

But

he cares about all people, but is also threatening people and shooting them and telling people to be murdered?

You can't say, I want a, you know, socialist communist utopia and have many sharks in a tank in your office yeah you can't wear loafers that are i don't understand the character at all yeah he's evil but he's not evil but he's thinking about everybody else but then he's burdering his best friend what's going on with cosmo

what he should do is spend the money on a treadmill and a trainer so he can learn how to run right but that's a or like or or loafers that have better grip yeah yeah let's get him some use to scuff up the bottoms of those loafers

My last pick and knit is Redford and Mary McDonald have the exact same haircut and it's disorienting.

If you really study it.

It's very feathered.

It's exact same.

It's a very feathered.

In fact, they could have switched hair during the movie and you wouldn't have even noticed.

This is two years after Demi Moore's haircut and ghost and it was showing up everywhere.

It was a very, very hot haircut.

Very flowy.

We've seen it.

It was in vogue.

I'm not surprised that it shows up in this movie.

I have a...

It's really, really annoying to me that after they pulled off the heist of the century, that Mary McDonnell does the deshaun jackson at the one yard line and does her stupid line about the computer dating and blows the whole thing it drives me nuts that she even says that and yeah that is figures it out immediately she blows it completely yeah just you already won yeah it is like the holding the ball at the half inch line

yeah di mercado on the cardinals just did it against the titans it's very hot right now I don't know because just keep your mouth shut and get out of the office.

Thank you.

She's playing this whole role the whole time, which is like, the only way she gets out of this is to act so annoyed and discredit tobolowski's character right she's like werner like she's pulling this whole attitude so it's like part of her that was her walk off joanna werner was her walk offline get in the end zone yeah the other thing i have is wildly different it really bothers me in the last scene then when when sydney poitier he said

you will buy us two first-class tickets all over europe and tahiti He doesn't mention anything about hotel or accommodations.

Where are they going to stay in those places?

That's very expensive.

if he goes to tahiti it's all about the over-the-water bungalows all he says is airfare and that's always bothered me what about the all expense paid that's what he says he needs to say that all expense he doesn't paid yeah like a week later james earl jones's side kick is calling him hey just following up on the trip

good question how does that happen yeah also they're well whatever they're hackers with a moral code i guess but i learned in war games that you could just hack your way into a flight anywhere and it's not a problem so any other nitpicks or can i move on I'm good.

Sequel, prequel, prestige TV all blackcaster, untouchable.

I rarely do the sequel answer for this.

We could get more, not against it.

Sneakers too,

2027, but Redford's gone, and Poitiers gone, and Phoenix is gone.

Somebody's kid, okay?

Yeah, it's like heat, they just make him a younger guy actor.

Yeah, we're rocking.

Should we get Ben Kingsley back, though?

Sir, Ben Kingsley, maybe he found another shot exit.

Yeah, sneakers too.

I mean, I wouldn't.

Would you, here's the thing.

Sneakers 2 is out.

They've made a trailer for it.

You're not clicking on the sneakers 2 trailer to see what's going on.

How do you feel about Heat 2?

Not ready to answer questions.

Okay.

Oh, Bill.

That's how I feel.

What about a Crease prequel?

How Crease got kicked out of the...

of the CIA.

That's all great.

Yes.

The answers to this are all right.

Except if they made Sneakers too, they're so bad at making titles, they'd call it like sneakers to sneakier.

And you'd be like, oh, fuck off with it.

Sneaky.

So sneaky or sneakier.

Yeah, you're right.

That's what it would be called.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainville, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley in the firm?

Kyle, I know you have something cooking.

Bet your ass I do, Bill.

And I go, none of the above.

But if we go to that surveillance truck truck outside of the fortress at the end, and I see all those monitors, I know for a fact that Scott Hanson is standing in there just watching the action.

We go to Playtronics, the future of toys.

Let's start on Cosmo Cam, preposterous ponytail, nonsensical rhetoric.

Give me the Carl Cam.

Carl started his own private inferno at 98.6 degrees, but let's go to the Bish Cam.

Next gen stats, one inch per second.

Let's go to Roof Cam, guys.

Can we go?

Can we, can we go to the roof cam?

Yes, the roof cam, where answering answering machines become boxes and boxes become answering machines wow

oh my god that was extra the best part of this is

does joanna know what that was great question no but i loved it also you got increasingly flushed as you went yeah and i was just like former actor i mean well i know

30 seconds amazing incredible so he was that was scott hanson from the red zone on sundays with nfl

eight games at once, and Scott like maniacally takes you from game to game.

Let's go to Arizona.

So that was that.

Thanks so much.

Thanks for that, Phil.

I appreciate it.

I'd like to explain NFL and Sopranos to you.

I like, I like when you make me feel included.

These are

speaking of Kyle's acting, I just want to get this out.

I don't know why you weren't in Chad Powers.

You're right there.

You work for the NFL, technically.

I work for

football.

You acted.

It's a college football show where the actors can be older because they're at like a division two thing.

I don't know why you weren't the running back.

I don't know why you weren't the wide receiver coach.

Just as your friend, on your behalf, I was insulted.

Bill, thank you.

You're right there.

Thank you.

Do we have the TikTok cam going on this?

Send this to Eli and Peyton, who have been very nice to me.

I would have been ready to do it.

I don't know.

You're right there.

How many actors slash former football players slash in the NFL universe are there at this point season two and you know who else was right there craig longtime football fan grouped out here in la to act chad power season two

should we call michael waldron get you and chad power season two i would love that but you know the glenn powell project i want to be in more is the running man so i can play dynamo and sing opera i'm into that you know thank you though bill as i was appalled that they were remaking the running man i obviously even though i love glenn powell saw the trailer you're in in the movie theater you're in all in you're in all in let's go they reinvented it it's different than the movie i'm okay we're okay with this right hell yes we are

i'm in just one asker who gets it it's got to be the score right james horner yeah the score for one asker

i thought i was going to give it to mary mcdonald for doing multiple scenes pretending she's not attracted to uh to our guy redford but that's tough lifting but yeah

amazing okay

probably unanswerable questions

so As it turns out, over the next 33 years, the NSA figured out how to spy on us anyway, Joanna.

Does that ruin the movie?

These guys saved us from the NSA.

Oh, no, they didn't.

They're probably listening right now.

They have cameras on us.

They're definitely listening right now.

Yeah.

And that's who you hear breathing on the other new phone line, right?

So sneakers won, but they didn't really win because they lost.

That's right.

We all lost.

Because we're all being surveilled at all times.

Yeah.

Probably an answerable questions.

Is this officially a San Francisco movie for you?

Yeah.

It's a level one San Francisco movie?

Absolutely top tier for me.

Wow.

Craig just rolled his eyes, but yes.

No, no.

Level two for you, Craig?

I'm thinking about how much San Francisco is in the movie that is identifiable as San Francisco.

I wish there was a little bit more, but yeah.

My favorite movie ever, San Francisco movie.

This one.

Which is what?

48 Hours.

Oh, yeah.

The movie I've seen the most times.

I was like, I don't remember all the pieces of San Francisco.

What's your favorite?

San Francisco part of 48 Hours.

Oh, my God.

I mean, there's wide shots of when he's driving to the bridge to go see Reggie in jail.

There's the Chinatowns, multiple Chinatown scenes.

And we're using everything.

We get the car chase.

We could go up and down hills.

Amazing stuff.

Have you ever seen the track of the bullet car chase?

Oh, yeah.

In San Francisco?

Have you ever seen the fact that like someone tracked where it takes place in San Francisco and basically like he's down in Pac Heights and then he's over in Sutro and he's just like he's going downhill for too long?

He no, he just like leaps over nine different subsequent places.

Well, you know what?

They're filming Bullet in like the early 70s.

They have no idea the internet's coming and we'll be able to just dissect everything.

It's really funny.

Has Pac Bell Park ever been in a movie?

Have they ever gone to the Giants game in a movie?

Great Park.

I feel like that would be a good idea.

Did they do it in the fan?

The fan?

He's on the Giants.

No, that was still a candlestick.

Oh, yeah.

I don't even know if they shot in San Francisco.

Boston had a great fuck-up for what you just talked about.

Blown away.

Oh, yeah.

Tommy Lee Jones and Jeff Bridges.

The final car chase.

They're just going downhill in Beacon Hill.

Yeah.

Which really, it's maybe two and a half blocks max.

You can go down it.

They're going downhill for like five minutes.

It's like just careening downhill.

It's like this never-ending mountain.

And then they end up in Boston Common.

Anyway,

I have an unanswerable that's going to break both of your brains.

So unless you guys have anything.

Oh, my God.

I have one like that too.

But Bill, let's hear yours.

No, you go, you go.

I'll go last.

Well, mine is simple.

It's

Mary McDonald says she doesn't want anything from James Rill Jones.

It's like, what would you ask for?

Like, you can do anything at all,

either now or 1992.

It's literally, it's like a genie.

He's saying, you can have anything you want.

What would you ask for?

But don't you like her delivery of, oh, I'm fine.

Like, it's a great

delivery.

It's a great delivery.

It's a very conscionable response.

Hairstylist?

What would you ask for, pal?

What would you ask James Earl Jones for?

Well,

I would probably be like, hey, it's 92.

Can you make sure that Michael Jordan doesn't fucking retire to play baseball?

Because I think they can win eight in a a row, and I think they can beat the Rockets twice in the final.

So can you handle that, please?

So not a Winnebago.

No, no.

Here's what I would ask for.

Here's what I would ask for.

Have you heard about like these people who get access to movies when they come out?

And it's like some secret society of you get the actual cut of the movie and you just be like, the PTA movie came out.

Come over to my house.

I have

just direct signal.

You're not that guy?

No, I don't think anyone's that guy.

I don't even know anyone who has that.

It's this rumored thing that I don't even know if it does it exists.

What do you mean?

People are showing screenings of the of movies before they come out?

You pay like this crazy amount of money, but it's also, it almost sounds like joining some sort of club.

Is it a money thing or is it a connections thing?

I think it's both.

It's a status in the industry thing.

But I feel like it's only like you have to be like the head of a film studio.

No, I think you have to be like the head of a film studio.

And you get it digitally or you that guy's a

no, you get like they, I think they actually bring the movie over.

Like the canister?

Yeah.

And they screen it and then they leave.

And then you kind of host it a private screen i host the thing i'm like hey i have the pta thing that sounds like the last level of being a movie executive it's like come on over i got the new pta i've got the new running man you would already have i have running man kyle come out i got running man i went to a screening like that once yeah it's awesome it's unbelievable all right here's my unanswerable

you guys aren't gonna be

I almost don't I almost want to take a break, but I won't because this is a really big thing.

No, let's do it.

Come on, hit us.

Let's go.

I don't need a break.

You already asked if Sir Ben Kingsley should give his knighthood back.

So

hit me.

I did 40 minutes of googling on this and studied photos.

Let's go.

And watched a bunch of different movies.

Did Robert Redford wear a wig?

Okay.

Oh,

no, but he dyed his hair.

All right.

You think it's a wig?

The young Redford character absolutely has a wig on.

That's what goes without a doubt.

Oh, sure.

But there are certain parts where it does feel a little heavy on the side.

And I'm saying it's not outlandish to ask i don't think this is a wig

he had the most full head of hair of any actor who ever lived

even to the bitter end

it is a full head of hair at all times well i think the problem is that he kept dying at ginger and that's that's why it looked unreal you look at the 70s it's like perfect like i was like jeremiah johnson did last year just perfect swoop yeah swoop yes it never goes back on either side it's always like full and lush it's and then it it's blonde in the 60s and then it becomes redder later

so bill you're not just saying did he wear wig and sneakers you're talking about for like the whole run did he wear a wig and are you saying you're saying like in his day-to-day life i'm saying like for from the 70s on was that his hair like opening day at sundance he's got a wig on is what you're saying but like a like a styled wig where we would never know yeah like because he's robert

like a real transfiguration i don't know it's unanswerable to me i don't know if anyone has theories why are there robert rudford wig truthers out there like is there is there anything out there Oh, okay.

I did find some stuff.

What do the people have to say?

There were some questions

in the 2014 range.

There are some questions because he had the dark

red, like darker cherry red on the top, whatever brownish red.

But then the gray sideburns here.

And some people are saying maybe the hair.

I think, oh, you think it's a red, a red?

The wig went over the thing, but it didn't do well enough with the white.

I think it's a dying issue, but I will take a closer look.

You open my eyes to a possibility, a real possibility.

Unanswerable, either wore a wig the whole time or best head of hair ever in the history of movies for any of the history.

The case for your argument is there are like name another old person with his hair.

You can't.

It's one of those things like if like you're just like,

Uncle Bob's coming over.

He's a one of one.

Oh my God.

Is he going to wear one of his wigs?

Like, why does he think he's a full head hair?

He's 82.

This is crazy.

I think the red was the problem, but I'll have to take a closer look.

He also preempts a lot of the like highly technical hair implants and stuff like mcconahey talks about how he got his stuff done like they weren't doing that in the 70s that you're talking of 60s even turkish hairline fascinating yeah this is one of my uh this would be like

we always play the game of worst podcast you could have that you'd actually be good at hosting

mine would be just every episode about whether somebody wore a wig or a toupee

bill don't the steve martin episode would be like two and a half hours like don't threaten me with a good time.

That would make, I would love that so much.

We're in a video podcast age.

We could put up

visual,

you know, like do a full month on Nicole Kidman.

Oh, yeah.

And then, oh,

I'm not good at the, I'm not good at lady wigs.

Lady Wigs on the wig.

Sounds like you need a female co-host.

That's what I can do.

Wait, no, I can do an only male wig face pod.

I'm bad with the female wigs I can't spot.

Can we do the tubes and the wigs I can spot?

And then can we do a spin-off pod with me and Liz?

And it's identifying when an actor got fillers.

Yes.

Because we just spend all day being like,

when did Emily Blunt get out?

That's a really good one, too.

Oh, Emily Blunt.

It's a lot.

Great stuff.

This is why people come to the Rewatchables for the important conversations.

Male wig only, and you're just outing male celebrities who have wigs.

It's not outing.

It's a discussion.

It is outing.

No, because sometimes the answer is that's their hair.

For you.

My favorite Marvel fact is that Steve Rogers has like a little, like, they put a little wiglet on Chris, just like blonded him up right in the front, made it nice and full.

Wiglet.

I like it.

Wiglet.

Yeah.

It's like a little piece that you put on top.

The Denzel episode would be long.

Yeah.

I actually think this is a great idea.

We should do it.

Coming up.

Coming up.

I'm the wiggest loser.

Me and CR talk about Vigo Mortensen.

Wiglett?

Yeah, Wiglett.

Do you want CR on this pod?

I'll say, I'm in CR.

We've had many conversations over the years.

That's a good question.

There's been, like, there's some good ones where there's some that it would be shorter pods, like a McConaughey,

um, John Q Sachs, another one where it's like, come on, dude, we have all your films in the 80s style.

Here's the number one.

I loved, this is one of my favorite things to do: is when I think someone has gotten a transplant, I go and I'm like, look at where the hairline was for Harry Styles.

Andrew Garfield's a huge one, right?

Andrew Garfield got the hair done.

It changed his entire career, turned his career right away.

He was really receding, got a transplant, and then all of a sudden it's Andrew Garfield time again.

I grew up in the 70s where like Reynolds was open about it.

Yeah.

Reynolds was losing it, and then we're just wearing these crazy, like you, most of his movies, he has.

I don't think it's a problem.

Like, I think it's fine.

I don't think anyone should be embarrassed by it.

It's like we're not pro, we're not con.

It's just, it's just answering a question one way or the other.

Women do things all the time.

I'm playing his hair.

Now I'm like, Kyle's constantly touching his hair.

Kyle has gray hair.

Yeah, Kyle.

Do you want me to take it off right now?

I'll do it on camera.

I'll take it right off.

I'll do it right now and unwig him.

No, I can't do it.

All right.

That was fun.

That segment worked out better than I thought.

That was awesome.

What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?

Redford's Wig, not eligible, if he had one.

The car also not eligible.

No, the car's not eligible.

Okay.

Is it interesting to say these are the Scrabble tiles they used in sneakers?

I think it is.

There's an easy answer.

Sure.

No, it's a black Scrabble with the answer machine.

No.

Yeah.

What is a sick 1992 Red Niners hat?

Oh, that's what I think.

That's a funny hat.

That's a great answer.

And that hat is awesome.

He loves two of them.

Yeah.

Two of them.

Yeah.

Great.

Great call.

Good one.

Coach Finn Stack award, best life lesson.

Look at a stranger's shoes to determine how important the interaction is about to be.

I love that.

Really good.

Yeah.

Just a subtle one in the beginning when those guys show up and Redford says to Phoenix, did you look at their shoes?

He's like, yeah, they're nice.

Expensive.

Yeah.

Yeah, expensive.

That's much better.

I had written down, give him head whenever he asked.

So I like your expense.

She a beacon.

Best double feature choice.

We went war games.

War games.

Would you go, Kyle?

I'm also going with games.

I'm going with Patriot games.

Tom Clancy, Harrison Ford, and Robert Redford in one day.

Technology, spying and stuff.

I'm way into it.

And Redford wins the movie.

Redford wins the movie.

Can't take your eyes off him.

All right.

Buckle up, Kyle.

Buckle up, Joanna.

We're going to producer Craig.

I don't want to disappoint you all.

I didn't hate this movie by any means, of course.

I just think, I think spy movies got really good.

And when I was growing up, I had like Ocean's 11.

You know what I mean?

Ocean's 11 was only nine years after this movie.

It feels like 25.

Like when you're watching this in Ocean's 11, you're like, we, we really.

improved over those nine years.

So I'm not holding anything against it.

Look, Bob Kuzzy was good in the 50s.

Could he play now?

no

you can't cross genres you can't cross eras i mean you know it's so to me that's a i respect your like this is fine and i've seen the movies that come after it that make it feel whatever no i'm not i'm not i i love craig um

but you're arguing that don't trigger me but you're arguing that

if it happened before it's not interesting i just think that this it's i think it's hard for spy movies in this era it's tough it's like so early on in the tech era and and like what you're kicking.

I understand what you're saying.

Tech-wise, I do.

It just improved so quickly.

Like immediately, we just so enemy of the state is the flipping point.

Sure.

Because that movie, even though it's ridiculous, we already did the rewatchables, but the tech's good in that movie and like feels more like now, even though it's almost 30 years.

Yeah.

This feels like it's from 1940.

From a tech angle, I think.

I see what he's saying.

I think the casting's a little wonky, too.

You know, this movie kind of feels like, to me, like the fourth installment in the sneakers franchise when everyone is a little too old.

and you're like oh it's redford hanging on and ackroid kind of doesn't look like the ackroid i remember

crying and but you know it's like oh did they need to make the fourth one it's still good but it's the fourth one

um i like it craig because i love that everyone's forced to respond to this and be like no no yeah no i am because in oceans 11 and then also like in the italian job Yeah, it's great.

All these beautiful people and these amazing cars robbing casinos.

These are real people here.

It's Strathair and Ackroyd.

It's like they're much more relatable and it's much more touchy-feely.

That's just how I feel.

And straight heart.

And I, and I,

I just, it's a little, I'm like, Redford feels a little too good for this movie to me.

Beneath him.

Yeah.

I think that's why it works, though.

Yeah.

It's like he's kind of overqualified to be in it.

I'm like, River Phoenix has nothing to do.

Ackroyd feels weirdly cat.

I don't know.

It's like having Roger Ebert back.

It just feels a little wonky.

I think two and a half stars out of four from Raj is perfectly fine.

Yeah.

It's not a one out of four.

It's a two and a half.

I would have gone three.

I can agree with you on the tech.

Like, it's hard to watch chunky 90s tech in any of these like cyber movies.

The casting, we have to just deeply disagree on.

That's okay.

I think it's hard.

Me coming into this movie now.

I feel confident that if you showed this movie to most people in their 20s and 30s, they would probably share my opinion.

It doesn't mean it's a bad movie.

Craig, didn't it bring the house down for you, the James Earl Jones scene at the end?

Oh, yeah.

I went fifth up.

I love James Earl Jones.

There's great parts in this movie.

Good, good.

But, you know,

yes.

I think those are all fair points from Craig.

It's you would recast

the movie.

No, I the Kingsley part is tough.

Yeah, you would recast Kingsley.

And I think Redford's too old to be in the movie, but I'm fine with it because it's rubber Redford.

I think this movie, the fact that it has

such a rock-solid movie, you know, you, you and Sean and Chris were talking on the Sting episode about is Redford a great actor?

And that's, that's a question you were asking.

And that's a great question question to ask during Redford month.

But he is just

the movie star, yeah.

And to have a movie star, similar to Oceans 11, when you've got like Clooney and Pitt at the center of it, you know, like a movie star here, and then the rest of the team just like gels around him.

And he's the leader on the set, and he's the leader of the team.

And City Poitier is also too good for this movie, and that's kind of what I like.

Sir Ben Kingsley is in a way too good for this movie.

And I kind of like that like he's Sir Ben Kingsley, and you're like, he's, he's in the last something for this to do 20 minutes in sneakers but like i like it because it elevates the movie uh and it makes it something that we have to consider forever it's in sydney poitier's filmography so we have to consider it you know

that's it for the sneakers rewatchables which went over two hours

same length as the movie thanks to craig thanks to chris for helping out as well thanks to ronic eduardo Oh, and Eduardo.

Thank you, Eduardo.

Thanks to Joanna.

Thank you.

Great to have you here in the studio.

And as always, Kyle Brandt, next month, a more normal month on the Rewatchables.

And we're overdue for

something.

If the people can see our text chains about the kind of stuff we're discussing, it's off the wall and it's coming.

Can you guys release your big board?

I would love that.

Yeah, too hot to handle.

Should we for the is it better or worse to release the big board?

What is that good content to like

my screen cap?

Yeah.

The rewatchables Instagram would love the big board of what

Mylan Bill are cooking up.

I mean, my big board is organized by decade, too.

I got 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2020s, all that stuff.

How many

months slash years have we been circling just one of the guys?

Three or four years, probably.

A top tier is playing on Comedy Central at three o'clock in the afternoon movie.

Yeah, that's one.

That's one where if we did that with that van, it might be irreparable for me.

It might be like a Jelana Sninkers thing.

Thank you.

This is great.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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