‘Sneakers’ With Bill Simmons, Kyle Brandt, and Joanna Robinson

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Sure. Kyle Brandt.

Speaker 1 Football season started. It's rare to book you.
You're on Good Morning Football. You're all over the place.
And yet Robert Redford died and you just started badgering me. Sneakers, it's time.

Speaker 1 Sneakers, sneakers, here we go. Sneakers, let's do this.
We got to do it.

Speaker 1 Joanna Robinson, once upon a time, I texted her and said,

Speaker 1 all right, if you had to pick 10 Rewatchables movies, what would they be? And sneakers was there.

Speaker 1 This was the good son kind of choice for me.

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I couldn't do the podcast with either of you. Sneakers, rewatchables, next.

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Speaker 2 All right, sneakers, Kyle Brandt, go.

Speaker 3 Be a beacon and give him a head whenever he asks. That's how I want to start this pod right now.
Guys, I'm thrilled to be here. I'm so happy.
I'm happy to work with Joanna.

Speaker 3 I'm happy to talk about this movie. And it is, I'm just going to start.
Bill, can I just start with a hot take? I've said this before.

Speaker 3 I think Sneakers is the most underrated movie of the entire 1990s.

Speaker 3 The most underrated, underrepresented, because it's delightful, charming, has some of everything, suspense, comedy, romance, a little action, a little sex, an incredible cast.

Speaker 3 And I just don't think it's talked about much. I don't think kids in their 20s or even in their 30s know this movie.
It doesn't get spoofed on family guy. It's not out there.

Speaker 3 And I think there's some reasons for that. But when I was a kid and 13, 14 years old, sneakers was always there for me on VHS.
And with Redford gone, I've already re-watched it three times.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Anything to add, Joanna?

Speaker 4 This is what we watched the night that we found out Redford died. We put sneakers on first thing.
I love this movie.

Speaker 4 And I completely agree. It's underrated, underseen.
But there's something I'll. I'll say there's something I kind of like about that because on the one hand, I do want everyone to see sneakers.

Speaker 4 It's, I think, a perfect movie. But on the other hand, there's a thing that happened in the group group text when we were playing this podcast where Kyle and I have never worked together.

Speaker 4 And Kyle's like, but if you like sneakers, you're good with me. And that's, there's, it becomes this like password for people.

Speaker 4 Like if you meet someone else who loves sneakers in the wild, it's like, oh, we're going to get along. I get it.
You get it. We're going to get along.

Speaker 1 What other things are like that?

Speaker 4 I don't know, but it's like, but the added bonus of that is that then when you show it to people, Like, okay, you meet someone in the wild, you meet a Kyle Brand that you've never met before and you're like, we both like sneakers.

Speaker 4 We got something in common. And then you talk to a friend of yours who loves movies.
And they're like, I've never seen sneakers. Who's in it? And then you start listening.

Speaker 2 Redford. Yeah.
Kwati is here.

Speaker 4 River Phoenix is here.

Speaker 2 Dan Arkroyd's here.

Speaker 4 Sir Ben Kingsley's here. I won't spoil that James Earl Jones is here, but James Earl Jones is here.
And then they're like, oh, how haven't I heard of this movie? And then you show it to them and they.

Speaker 4 Almost everyone, not everyone, but almost everyone loves it. And then you look like a genius.

Speaker 4 You look like a movie Sherpa. How did I not know about this movie?

Speaker 2 Do you agree with this, Kyle?

Speaker 3 You know what it is, Bill? It's, it's like a band.

Speaker 3 I don't know, maybe it's like Morrissey or something like that, like where you're like, there's not everybody likes them, but then you, when you find someone who does, you have an immediate bond.

Speaker 3 Like I, I felt warmth over the text thread just from Joanna because we were talking about sneakers. And I do have to set the table with this, though, a rewatchables reference.

Speaker 3 My respect for Joanna skyrocketed during the can't hardly wait pod when she referenced the punked episode of Jennifer Love Hewitt, Hewitt, which is a tragic episode and they did her so wrong.

Speaker 3 I was like, she knows her shit. That's a deep cut.
So it's not surprising to me, Bill, that she likes sneakers. But you, you've been doing, Bill, you've been, you've been doing the devil's work.

Speaker 3 You're doing the God's work, rather. All the Redford stuff all of like the classics and devils.
What is it like for you now to jump into like 92 Redford?

Speaker 1 It's confession time.

Speaker 2 You don't like sneakers. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 No, I do like sneakers. I never saw it when it came out.
And this is like a just the age I was. So I'm senior in college in 92.
I think this movie came out in the fall.

Speaker 1 The computer thing, I just talked about this on my podcast.

Speaker 1 I just was out. I didn't even have a computer until senior year.
And it was even like one of those dumb word processors. So we had a computer club at Holy Cross.

Speaker 1 We used to make fun of everybody in there.

Speaker 2 Be like, look at those guys. What are they doing? Those nerds.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to make any money off of that.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 What are they doing?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 there was like a snobbiness toward this kind of stuff that it took a while to come around.

Speaker 1 And now when you watch it, I watched this movie three times in the last month because I didn't know it that well. I've only only seen it once.
And I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 Like they were so far ahead of the game with so many of the themes of this.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 1 But in the moment, I just, it wasn't, it just was one of those movies not for me. And there was also a lot of stuff in 1992.

Speaker 1 I mean, good movies were getting shot out like a t-shirt.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we used to live in a society.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We had great movies.

Speaker 1 So it was like, you kind of picked and chose.

Speaker 4 I was looking at the top, like the top 10 movies of the year, like box office gross, because sneakers made some money, but not a ton of money. And I was like, okay, what beat it?

Speaker 4 And I was like, well, these are all tremendously good movies. So I can't really argue.

Speaker 1 You know, one of the problems is, Kyle, I never dated a girl who was like, are you a sneakers person? And I never got, I just never had the sneakers kind of gospel person to suck me in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it's the problem.

Speaker 4 Spreading the good word. Kyle and I are doing the work.
Spreading the good word.

Speaker 2 We are doing the work. And

Speaker 3 I think this movie is in lockstep with another movie that came a couple years later in shaw shank redemption and that i think it has a terrible title that is off-putting and confusing correct i brought this this movie up when redford died on our show good morning football live and the rest of the cast was much younger than me and i'm like sneakers sneakers and they're like is that a movie about shoes like redford did a shoe movie i'm like no it has nothing to do with that i think it's a terrible title I think it also has a horrible poster, which was really important in the 90s, in which you have all these amazing actors, including Redford's beautiful face, and it's in the bottom right-hand corner, just folding up.

Speaker 3 It's an awful poster,

Speaker 3 awful title. And sometimes that can be all she wrote in terms of legacy.

Speaker 4 I agree. Terrible title, terrible poster, terrible tagline, which is we'd tell you what this movie was about, but then we'd have to kill you.

Speaker 2 Awful. And you're like, okay, but

Speaker 2 you have to tell people what the movie is about.

Speaker 4 They think it's about shoes.

Speaker 2 I had this coming up later.

Speaker 1 Like, what, what was a better title? Because I'm with you, sneakers. Plus, like, from in the Google society we live in now.
Yes. Google sneakers.
It's just, it's not coming up.

Speaker 1 You have to put in sneakers, movie, Redford. Right.

Speaker 2 And then it stuff finally starts coming up.

Speaker 4 Because this is like a neat, yeah, bad SEO on sneakers, but this is a niche world inside of the hacking world, you know, that screenwriters discovered.

Speaker 4 And it's interesting, but yeah, inside of the movie, even inside the movie when they're like, we're going to do a sneak. I'm like, don't, just don't say it.

Speaker 3 No, don't try to make it happen. You know, it's not happening.
Bill, that's inside the weeds of rewatchables because the three of us, I'm sure, have Googled sneakers many times over the last 72 hours.

Speaker 3 And if you do like sneakers, Redford, look at a picture of Robert Redford's shoes on a movie.

Speaker 2 That's not what I want. I want the movie.

Speaker 3 And I think it just, they should have called it, they should have called it Too Many Secrets. Fine.
It's a title. It works.
It gets the ball on the fairway and we're often running sneakers.

Speaker 3 Too many secrets.

Speaker 4 Or no more or no more seats.

Speaker 3 Or no more secrets. No more anything.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Could you have gone with freakers with the pH?

Speaker 4 Yeah, the phone.

Speaker 1 Or freaking? Yeah, the phone.

Speaker 2 With the ph.

Speaker 4 Or hackers, because we're three years before the movie movie hackers.

Speaker 1 I mean, hackers

Speaker 1 probably made more sense for this movie than the actual movie hackers.

Speaker 2 Where do you stand on hackers? I love hackers. You love hackers, too.

Speaker 1 Angelina Jolie's, what was her brother or first husband?

Speaker 4 First husband, Johnny Lee Miller.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was out.

Speaker 3 I feel like that's going to be Joanna's double feature choice, like 90 minutes ago.

Speaker 4 No, no, but 95, like three years after this, 95 is Johnny Mnemonic, The Net, and Hackers.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, we're three years in front of this, like, hacker movie boom.

Speaker 1 I did think that this was a waste of a theme month because The the net is one of like the funniest movies of the 90s now.

Speaker 2 It's like absolutely hilarious. I think hackers is too.

Speaker 1 All that disclosure we've already done, but that was also a movie that's like really funny with how they envisioned where the internet was.

Speaker 2 They're pursuing the files. Yeah.
Yeah. This is a lot of people look at the trailers like, they've got my name.
They've got my phone number. They've got my address.

Speaker 3 And they're like, yeah. And she's freaking out going right after speed, I think.

Speaker 2 Like, just going for it.

Speaker 4 There's a scene in The Net where she has a laptop and it's like five inches thick on her lap on the beach.

Speaker 2 And I was like, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 In five hours, she loses every single thing about her life. It's just gone.
I don't even think you could do that now. So sneakers creates a new genre.

Speaker 1 I think this is a new genre for 92, the cyber caper.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think there are elements of it that feel new. It's not like the first hacking movie.

Speaker 1 It's almost the first cyber caper. It's sneakers, right?

Speaker 2 What else would it be?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't have a better answer for you. I think it, the thing is, it's that it's a hacking movie.
It's a paranoia movie. It's a a comedy.

Speaker 1 It's only about the, it's a post-cold war.

Speaker 4 It's post-Cold War. It's a heist movie.

Speaker 1 You feel the, you feel.

Speaker 2 It's a con movie.

Speaker 1 It's kind of a little victory lap over Russia a little bit.

Speaker 2 It's absolutely.

Speaker 2 All the shots.

Speaker 3 They're basically dunking on Greg, the Russian character, the whole time, who gets killed, by the way. And then Redford one point's like, we won.
They lost. It's been in a few papers.

Speaker 2 He might as well look to Lens and give that Redford waiting to the commies.

Speaker 3 Suck it, pinkos. Like, it's all there.

Speaker 1 But here's the big thing for me. Yeah.
And this is what took me. I finally appreciate this movie.
It took forever. It's a thinking man's action movie.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of just people

Speaker 1 cutting corners with their brains.

Speaker 4 It's also just incredibly satisfying from like every all of the resolution. You know, they worked like for a decade on this script.
And so it fits together so neatly like a puzzle. It's a little long.

Speaker 4 It's like a little over two hours. It's a little longer than you would expect for something like this, but nothing feels wasted.
It all comes together.

Speaker 4 I call it, I like like to call it a perfect movie. And I feel the same way about something like Tremors, which is another screenplay where like every single beat of tremors matters and pays off.

Speaker 4 And that's how I feel about sneakers. And it's just, it's intellectually satisfying the way it all is.

Speaker 1 It's a perfect movie, except River Phoenix. I honestly not enough ISOs for him.
I could have gone two more, two more plays for him, just letting him cook.

Speaker 4 In terms of like why this movie wasn't a bigger hit, if you're going to sell this movie in the early 90s and you have River Phoenix in it and he's just like comic relief, I love River Phoenix in this.

Speaker 4 I love comedy River Phoenix, but he's just like the doofy comic relief guy. And you're like, I'm like, you have one of the biggest like heartthrob stars in your movie.
And he's like seventh build.

Speaker 4 And yeah.

Speaker 3 Bill, did you see this in the research? It might, it might come up that he's on record that he had just done my own private Idaho and was deep into the work and all heavy.

Speaker 3 And he literally said, I just wanted an easy money job. And they're like, sure.
So I think he's like having the time of his life on this movie.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. He's loving it.
He and Dan Ayroyd got along really well. And he's just like, he gets to work with Robert Redford.
Like, nobody says no to working with Redford or Poitier.

Speaker 1 This is one of the research movies. And sometimes I don't trust it.
But in this one, it's clear. Like, everybody loved being in the movie and working with each other.

Speaker 1 The River Phoenix thing, I mean, I didn't think we'd do it this fast in the pod, but it was really important. Like, he was kind of the guy.

Speaker 2 He was.

Speaker 1 Basically what Leo became in the mid-90s when he was doing like Romeo and Juliet, like after after this boy's life and Gilbert Grape, when he started making Romeo and Juliet, before Titanic, there's a moment with him where it's like, this is going to be the next guy.

Speaker 1 And that was River Phoenix, like when I was like a senior in high school and in college. Like after Stand By Me, it was like, this is the guy.
This is going to be the guy.

Speaker 1 And this is one of the only normal movies he really made in the last five years. Like he really started to do some dark.
stuff and his life went dark too.

Speaker 4 Well then his last movie is the Samantha Mathis like country western singer movie.

Speaker 2 I like that movie. I kind of like that movie.

Speaker 3 I mean, listen, one of his, one of the things in the River Phoenix trophy case towards the top is that Steven Spielberg hand-picks him to play Indiana Jones, the young version, which is like an all-time legacy character.

Speaker 3 And he's amazing in that sequence.

Speaker 3 He's incredible.

Speaker 4 But to your point about like what Leo was doing in the 1090s, then they come to him and they're like, hey, do you want to be in the Indiana Jones, young Indiana Jones TV show? And he goes, no, thanks.

Speaker 2 Not for me. Right? Not for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Phoenix thing. It's sad watching him in this because he's just clearly, and Redford picked him.
It's funny, Ethan Hawk told a story, and I think he was talking about this movie.

Speaker 2 Do you? Was it this or something else? River Runs, River Runs Through it?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Because these guys are all competing against Royal.

Speaker 2 So Ethan Hawk wasn't up for this one or no. No.

Speaker 1 Did you see that story? No, I haven't seen it. Ethan Hawk went on Jimmy Kimmel's show.
Yeah. And told this like four-minute story about Redford, about how he tried out for River Runs Through it.

Speaker 2 For Bradford's part.

Speaker 1 And he's like, he was told, you're too young, kid, but you're great keep going and then redford said to him and then redford showed up at some play he was in later yeah and was like just would check in on him and they became friends so it was like genuine he's like yeah i really like you but you're not right for this part but i'm still like yeah i'm still a believer and i think he felt the same way about phoenix that i feel like we kind of still see him because we just watch joaquin and it's like with that the kind of would he have been the joker he probably would have been an incredible joker like all of those parts that he plays that are so interesting i wonder or would he have been like just doing entry-level Marvel stuff?

Speaker 3 I don't know. But

Speaker 1 don't you think, like, I honestly think Leo had the career that River Phoenix I thought was going to have.

Speaker 4 And I do think that, like, even though Leo is a few years younger, obviously, like, I do think that Leo's career opened up because there was this vacuum from River Phoenix's action.

Speaker 1 And he would have, he would have done, I think, the same thing where he would have worked with good directors and tried coasters. Anyway, 1992.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wrote down it's truly insane how prescient this movie is these these two quotes from cosmo

Speaker 1 there's a war out there old friend a world war and it's not about who's got the most bullets it's about who controls the information right there's one the world isn't run by weapons anymore energy or money it's run by little ones and zeros little bits of data it's all just electrons in 1992 this was flying over my head yeah you asked if this is the first cyber Caper movie.

Speaker 4 This is feels to me like one of the first Silicon Valley movies. Like, this is, you know, this is such a Bay Area movie.

Speaker 4 I grew up in the Bay Area, and it's not just a San Francisco movie, it's a Bay Area movie. We're going to Palo Alto.
We're going across the Dunbarton Bridge. We're doing all this stuff.

Speaker 4 And Cosmo as this precursor for

Speaker 4 what the emotionally stunted men of Silicon Valley will will do and control in the future.

Speaker 4 It makes sneakers eternally relevant.

Speaker 1 So you're saying like Bezos might have had this ponytail look that Cosmo had a I wish she had that ponytail.

Speaker 3 It's just, it's like someone now who's saying like really heavy shit about AI. I remember, yeah, I watched this movie.

Speaker 3 I was 13, and I didn't really follow what Cosmo was saying, but I'm like, oh, this is important and kind of scary. Yeah.
But, you know, it's 1992.

Speaker 3 I'm like, holy shit, look what the dream team's doing to Angola. This is great.

Speaker 2 My focus was elsewhere.

Speaker 1 Well, it's funny because it's like war, I'll just spoil it now. War Games was my double feature for this.
Yeah, my two.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 4 I watched it last night, actually.

Speaker 2 And War Games had the very... Oh, nice.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 War Games had a very similar, like,

Speaker 1 it catches some moment before it became a moment. Like nuclear war didn't really, like, I would say 80, with the day after when that TV movie happened.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 When we really had a Cold War panic in the 80s, War Games was early on it and kind of saw it coming.

Speaker 1 And then, and the way it used computers, it just was ahead of its time, but it did way better than sneakers did.

Speaker 4 I re-watched it last night because it's the origin story for this movie because the screenwriters found in in researching war games went to conventions, found out about the phone freakers, the cyber caper, the black hatters.

Speaker 4 And so I was like, oh, curious to see. There's so much sneakers DNA in war games.
Some of the sort of like, we're all crowded around a monitor moments feel so similar.

Speaker 4 The score is doing, even though it's a different composer, the score is doing similar things.

Speaker 4 But the way that war games starts is you have John Spencer and Michael Michael Madsen as two like nuclear missile silo workers going in for a day at work.

Speaker 4 And there's in the elevator talking about like how John Spencer once knew a woman who grew weed. And they're just having this random, has nothing to do with what's going to happen conversation.

Speaker 4 And it's like so many conversations and sneakers where Dan Aykroyd mother gets on and is just like.

Speaker 4 Cattle mutilations are up, you know, like just like the

Speaker 4 like the little conversations that they have in the midst of these of these various heists is something that these guys love to put in.

Speaker 4 And it makes these characters feel so real and these relationships feel so real. These are people who just know each other, are irritated by each other, but like also show up for each other.

Speaker 4 I love that.

Speaker 1 Were you a War Games guy, Kyle?

Speaker 3 I was. Yeah, a big War Games guy.
I loved it. And I think that Jonah makes a pressure in point, which is.
I think there are certain movies in the early 90s that are so excited about being a 90s movie.

Speaker 3 Like they're so, they're like, welcome to the 90s, motherfuckers. Like, I remember when, like, remember that, remember the movie Grand Canyon came out?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 In the 80s, they brought you the big chill. Welcome to the 90s.
That was the actual tagline. And I think to the War Games point, I think when we hit the 90s, everyone was a little nuked out.

Speaker 3 Like, we've done a lot of nuke stuff and nuke movies. Now it's not the nukes.
He's literally saying it's the computers. And like, wow, the 90s are so cool.
That's how I felt when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 I think that's a good point. I love that.
Grand Canyon. Flawed movie.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Kind of enjoy it. See Martin get shot and foams at the mouth.
It's very strange and upsetting.

Speaker 2 It's a weird, weird movie.

Speaker 1 Really strange movie. This is also a We Gotta Get a Crew movie.

Speaker 2 Well, they have to go.

Speaker 1 Well, but I mean, like, World War II, like, we got to find people who can solve stuff. I like the idea of people who break into stuff to teach people how to avoid being broken into.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Has that happened? That must have happened in a TV show, right? There must be some CBS show that my dad watches that has that premise. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But this is a real thing.

Speaker 4 And the thing that about this movie, another thing about this movie movie is it's not universally beloved, but like the cybersecurity world loves sneakers.

Speaker 2 They're like, sneakers got it right, man. They get it.

Speaker 1 It was like way more thinking versus like black hat.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 So Redford's the leader, Martin Bishop. Yep.

Speaker 1 Poitier.

Speaker 1 I always mess up his name. It's in my speech impediment.

Speaker 2 Poitier. Poitier.

Speaker 1 It's in my speech.

Speaker 2 Twitch. Just like in Von Dom Bill.

Speaker 3 It's all right.

Speaker 2 We all have our guy, so it's okay.

Speaker 1 He's had a security.

Speaker 2 Yep. Ackroyd.

Speaker 1 Weird that he was in this movie in 92, but it's right as he's shifting into

Speaker 1 he's not leading movies the same way anymore. He's now moving.
Like he's in Tommy Boy a couple years later. He's in My Girl.
He's starting to hit like Cone Heads.

Speaker 4 Did you see in your research that he was insisting that he play Cosmo?

Speaker 4 And they were like,

Speaker 2 We got Ben Kingsley to do that. Yeah, you're good then.

Speaker 2 We want you to play him out there. See him as that.

Speaker 2 He's a tech specialist. Yeah.

Speaker 1 River Phoenix is Carl who's

Speaker 2 just like the new kid.

Speaker 1 It's like a good guy, like young energy off the bench.

Speaker 2 He's basically

Speaker 2 returned.

Speaker 1 He'll be on special teams. He'll be the gunner.

Speaker 4 He'll get the plans in the building for you. He will, he's basically Broderick's character in war games, right? They caught him hacking into the Oakland City school system to change his grades.

Speaker 1 And then Whistler played by my guy, David Straathharn.

Speaker 2 talk about it strathern strathern strathern straighthard against strathern strathern

Speaker 4 straighthorn's really an all-time regard for you

Speaker 3 strathern i think i don't know if i've ever heard anyone say it i thought it was strathern joanna you think it's strathern i'm gonna call it away it's better than what bill said

Speaker 4 possibly yes he's a blind guy with super hearing yeah yes all those people you just mentioned oscar winners are oscar nominated

Speaker 1 He's also incredible. He was in like some really great smaller parts, like the firm.
He's awesome. He's eight men out.

Speaker 1 He's the pitcher who can't decide whether he should cheat or not, but he's just, he'd pop up in these movies every couple of years. And you're like, I love this guy.

Speaker 1 But it never really, he never became like a guy.

Speaker 2 His, his moment. Yeah.
His moment of conventional.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to give you two parts, two, two parts that stand out.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 3 He plays an unbelievably disturbing, terrible character in Dolores Claiborne. Yeah.
Kathy Bates. Unwatchable character.

Speaker 3 Also, incredible arc in the Sopranos when Carm and Tony break up.

Speaker 2 She sleeps with him. Yeah,

Speaker 3 he's like the counselor at the school and they fight. And he has an all-time one-liner

Speaker 3 that I would not say right now, but I love that character.

Speaker 4 Yeah. River runs through it.

Speaker 4 Made a won with Mary McDonald and James Earl Jones, a movie that I really, really love.

Speaker 1 Did really good work.

Speaker 2 A John Sales guy.

Speaker 1 And then Mary McDonnell, who's red hot right now from Dances with Wolves.

Speaker 4 You so the word on the street is that you do not like I do like her.

Speaker 1 I didn't, I don't, she got trapped with bad parts for two years. I always thought she was better than the parts.
The blue chips character is like, I don't even, are you with Nick Dulte or not?

Speaker 1 Like, what's going on there? Uh, Grand Canyon, that movie is just super weird. This, I think she's great in this movie.

Speaker 2 She classes up this movie.

Speaker 4 Yeah, she's so good in this movie.

Speaker 2 She's really good.

Speaker 1 And it's a nothing part. I don't even know, like, you can't even describe five things about that character, but she makes it work.

Speaker 4 Something I love about,

Speaker 4 you know, they, like I said, they worked on this movie for 10 years.

Speaker 4 Something I love about the evolution of this movie is that originally Liz was like someone who worked in a bank that they meet like over the course of the movie, turning her into Bishop's ex.

Speaker 4 So you have that sort of like comedy plot of remarriage, like let's, we really want these people to get back together, energy. And everyone already knows her.

Speaker 4 So you don't have to spend a lot of time like, who is this girl? Why do we care about her?

Speaker 4 You want Bishop, you want the two of them to get back together. There's personal stakes on this whole operation, right? Because he's like,

Speaker 4 if I get my name back, maybe we can be together.

Speaker 4 Great stuff.

Speaker 1 Same thing in blue chips, by the way.

Speaker 2 Exact same relationship with Nick Nulty.

Speaker 4 And then everyone in the group loves her.

Speaker 2 Like all of the sneakers.

Speaker 2 You got to love her.

Speaker 1 She's great. You know who didn't really love the crew?

Speaker 1 Little early step-on, Rog, Roger Ebert.

Speaker 2 Oh, unsurprising.

Speaker 3 Dude, I love this movie. Come on.

Speaker 1 Redford's team, yet another version of the World War II platoon that always had one everything. He lists all the people.
There's not enough useful dialogue to go around for such a large team.

Speaker 1 And sometimes characters feel like they've been pushed on stage for obligatory scenes that are not really necessary.

Speaker 1 It's a borderline. Fuck you, Raj.
I'm not going to like go full tilt, fuck you, Raj, but it's, I did think about it.

Speaker 2 I get out of here, Raj, with that, without a terrible take.

Speaker 1 Talk to me about the

Speaker 1 outthinking version of hacking. Scrabble pieces.
What were some of your favorite like scotch tape hacking, basically?

Speaker 3 The Scrabble sequence is excellent in this.

Speaker 3 I do have one bone to pick with it. I'm a Scrabble guy.
It really, really bothers me that they're in the middle of a game and Bish just picks it up and dumps over the board.

Speaker 2 And they don't, they're not like, what the fuck, Bish?

Speaker 3 Hey, triple word score. What are you doing? I guarantee he was getting his ass kicked.

Speaker 2 He was losing it. It really bothers me.

Speaker 2 You can't do that. Yeah.
That's nuts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Piecing together sounds.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's that's what you hear.

Speaker 3 My voice is my passport. Verify me.
That whole sequence is amazing.

Speaker 1 Whistler guessing the answer machine thing with the black box.

Speaker 2 It's just a lot of like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Craig without him stepping on the take of the movie. When you see these movies as a post-internet child

Speaker 1 that try to explain the internet, but it's like 1992 and hacking and all this stuff. What is your reaction as a younger person?

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 this movie reminded me the most of, is it disclosure?

Speaker 2 Yeah. When

Speaker 5 he's got the goggles on and he's like, it's all out there and everything's around him.

Speaker 5 Look, I think, I think, unfortunately, the movies that tried to do this in the 90s, they didn't know where things were going. It was like so new.

Speaker 5 And I think they thought they were getting ahead of it. And it's just naturally one of those things that is impossible to age well.
You know, it's tough.

Speaker 1 Might be a foreshadowing of Craig's title.

Speaker 4 I've only been on a handful. I've only been on a handful of rewatchables, but you can tell when you walk in the room and you look at Craig's face what Craig thinks of the movie.

Speaker 5 Well, you guys shouldn't ask me before what I thought.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I try to feel it.

Speaker 3 Hey, Worlbeck, you know what ages? Well, characters and writing. Who cares about the goddamn computers all the time?

Speaker 2 We'll get to the characters.

Speaker 2 All right, good.

Speaker 2 I wasn't leaving them out.

Speaker 1 One last elite mainstream run for Redford. We should mention this because this is Robert Redford Month.

Speaker 1 Sneakers, directs River Runs Through It, Indecent Proposal, directs quiz show,

Speaker 1 up close and personal with Michelle Pfeiffer, and then is Sundance is taking off. And this is all from like 92 to 96.
So it's his third straight decade for him

Speaker 1 where he's just in the mix in a real way.

Speaker 4 That's so interesting to me because like this is a so he has out of Africa in 85. Yeah.
And then he makes two terrible movies.

Speaker 4 Like this, he hasn't made a good movie, acted in a good movie since 85 when he makes this movie. And so there's a way in which Redford kind of needs this movie.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Right.
He needs his class.

Speaker 1 It's almost like an athlete.

Speaker 4 Wash the taste of legal eagles in Havana out of your mouth. Right.
And so he makes this movie.

Speaker 4 I'm not a huge fan of Up Close and Personal and Interesting Proposal, but those are two movies where Redford's like, these are the I still got it movies.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Right. With a much younger co-star.
Mary McDonald's at least like only about 15 years younger than him in this movie. So he's got those two like, I still got it movies.

Speaker 4 And then he's firmly into old man Redford territory.

Speaker 1 Up close and personal, I'll defend because my queen Michelle Pfeiffer's in it. That's really no, I have no other reason.

Speaker 4 It's a terrible movie. She looks great.

Speaker 2 And she's a broadcaster.

Speaker 4 It's the original Morning Show. Do you think you love Morning Show because you love Up Close and Personal?

Speaker 1 I love to hate watch Morning Show.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 2 It's never you a one fine day guy as well.

Speaker 1 It's not very good.

Speaker 2 But I watch it.

Speaker 2 Have I watched it multiple times?

Speaker 4 Yes. Wonderful day is great.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Listen, Fifer in the 90s.

Speaker 2 Including Feyer in the 90s.

Speaker 1 I mean, my number one is to Jillian on her 37th birthday.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Which is

Speaker 2 a movie with no plot whatsoever.

Speaker 4 The most rewatchable movie that has ever happened.

Speaker 1 And she's the hottest ghost that ever lived. Yeah.
What a run for her. Anyway, Redford is 56

Speaker 2 in sneakers.

Speaker 1 I have some thoughts about that in later categories. Meanwhile, Ben Kingsley,

Speaker 1 this is his 90s supporting guy run. Bugsy, sneakers, Dave, Bobby Fisher, Schindler's List, and species.
All in like four years.

Speaker 1 They were like, all right, we got to give you the sir.

Speaker 2 This is too, too many. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Too many re-watchable movies. What are your Ben Kingsley's thoughts, Kyle?

Speaker 3 Well, also like Strathairn or however you say it, Memorable Sopranos run for me. A crazy episode with Hollywood Malta Santa.

Speaker 3 I love that. Obviously, all the stuff that he had done.
I just remember like when he started going by sir, I was like, oh shit, he's a sir now.

Speaker 3 Like that, he's one of the people that the sur really seemed to suit them. Some of these people with the surs, I don't, I'm not feeling it.
Sir Ben is, it works for him.

Speaker 1 Like Sir Marshawn Lynch maybe doesn't work the same way.

Speaker 3 I can't do sur beast mode. No, but like Sir Ben Kingsley, yes.

Speaker 1 I don't like when people get the sirs.

Speaker 1 Do you know like I have nothing in common with them anymore? They're like

Speaker 2 the Manus Walk of Stars. Over here.

Speaker 4 Do you know like Michael Sheen, the actor Michael Sheen gave his back

Speaker 4 because he's Welsh and he believes strongly that in like sort of Welsh infection? So he gave his back.

Speaker 1 He rejected the sir.

Speaker 4 He received it and then he returned it because he said he did some research into.

Speaker 4 I don't know how many people have returned it, but he returned his.

Speaker 3 I don't like sir either, but for some reason I love dame like dame judy dench all day long.

Speaker 2 Dame is great.

Speaker 1 I love a dame. Such a good point.
Dame is great. Sir is terrible.
We need in America, we need our version of this, though, where people just get some weird type of stuff.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the verified blue check on Twitter. That's what we'd bring.

Speaker 2 That's fair.

Speaker 1 Directed and co-written by Phil Alden Robinson, who did Field of Dreams, one of my favorite movies in college.

Speaker 4 This is how he spends his Field of Dreams blank check, getting sneakers.

Speaker 2 How about that? What's interesting is I was like, what happened?

Speaker 1 Why didn't he make more movies? Because this guy was clearly good at making movies and putting movies together and getting

Speaker 1 some characters. Yeah, he's good in that.

Speaker 1 Or the movies, like, that's a well-directed, well-done movie.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 he went kind of

Speaker 1 serious, like, he was directing documentaries for Nightline. Like, he just kind of moved away from making movies full-time.

Speaker 4 He started his documentary, like, he was in during the Vietnam War, he was a military documentary filmmaker.

Speaker 4 Yeah, then he, you know, he writes all of me, he directs Field of Dreams, he does this, he does some of affairs, and now he's back in, like, he was a leader in leadership at the Writers Guild of America and at the Motion Picture Academy.

Speaker 4 So, he's sort of like a

Speaker 4 Hollywood state. Kind of like the real life.

Speaker 2 That's surprising.

Speaker 3 Real life Marty.

Speaker 2 So higher college.

Speaker 3 Some of the stuff in this movie is heavy-handed. You mentioned the post-Cold War victory that lap.
There's just straight shots across the bow to the Republican Party.

Speaker 3 It's like at the end of this, at the end of the movie, we go from the really great sequence of the blind guy driving the car, and all of a sudden he's up there preaching about information.

Speaker 3 And you can tell the director was liking the stuff. And good for him.
It was a great movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he might have had a couple of settle-down moments with the producers.

Speaker 2 Maybe scale packal over.

Speaker 4 I don't know. You make Field of Dreams.
I think you get to do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 2 He really did.

Speaker 1 I still don't understand what happened to all the cars when they showed up at the end of Field of Dreams.

Speaker 2 No parking cars.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 At some point, it's just a traffic.

Speaker 4 You just got to mow down someone else's fields in order to make a parking room.

Speaker 5 It's kind of the same thing as this movie when they all, there's like a hundred guards that storm the building at the end and then they just all disappear. Same like the same with the cars.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They just kind of go away. $23 million budget made $105.2 million.

Speaker 2 Globally. Pretty good all day long.

Speaker 4 It's okay. Only $50 million domestically.
And you mentioned Shaw Shank Redemption, which I think is a great comp.

Speaker 4 I wish this had had the like lives forever on TNT Saturday morning sort of life that Shaw Shank has.

Speaker 1 You know what part of the problem was? It was a little too long and it wasn't Shaw Shank.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not as good as Shaw Shank. It is not Shaw Shank Redemption.
I would say that this is an hour 40.

Speaker 1 It's on TNT and TBS for 20 straight.

Speaker 4 I think the other issue, and this is something that Phil Eldon Robinson did, is that he

Speaker 4 put

Speaker 4 language. Well, you can edit language for cable.
That's fine. But

Speaker 4 this is such a weird spot of a movie, right? It's a dad movie is what it is. And I love a dad movie.
I love a tin cup. I love a field of dreams.
I love this movie, right?

Speaker 2 I love the whole everything. And Craig doesn't.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 Craig just looks so wounded when he said that.

Speaker 5 I love Field of Dreams. You're talking about Tin Cup?

Speaker 2 I like Tin Cup.

Speaker 2 Sorry.

Speaker 4 But like, this isn't, this is, but there's not, there's a little bit of action, but there's not a ton of action. Yeah, sure.
And you said there's some sex.

Speaker 4 I mean, there's not really any sex in this movie. You know what I mean? And so it's like, there's a lot of weird groaning off camera.

Speaker 2 But it's too, but it's too like smart

Speaker 4 or however you want to categorize it for kids to love it. You know what I mean? Early teen, you know, you and I, California.

Speaker 1 Have you really thrown more sex in it?

Speaker 4 I'm just saying it's a weird sweet spot. Is it for kids? Is it for adults? Like, who is it for? It's for me.

Speaker 3 You know what I think it is, John?

Speaker 3 I think this movie is is an on-the-screws perfect PG-13 movie. It's

Speaker 3 a way that rating exists.

Speaker 2 And they should. They get it.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But I think then it becomes hard to pitch.
Like, I wouldn't show this to kids, but then some adults are like, well, this isn't action-heavy enough for me, or this isn't, you know, this thing.

Speaker 1 You know what this movie is? It's just a good hang.

Speaker 2 It's such a good hang on. Yes.

Speaker 1 Just kind of have it on. And I think a big piece of this is the score that we didn't really talk about.
But James Horner, which there's, I have some stuff later.

Speaker 1 I had no idea how revered this score was by people oh did you read the burtelly yeah yeah but we'll hit that in a second roger ebert two and a half stars yeah could have been worse yeah one of the weaknesses of the movie is the way it pretends to be a techno thriller when in fact it recycles much older traditions it's a sometimes entertaining movie but thin it's i'm not claiming it's a deep movie, but like it matters that things are fun

Speaker 4 and not stupid. And that's what sneakers is.

Speaker 1 All right, we're going to take a break and then we're going to do the categories.

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Would you have the 1969 pizza order going wrong in there? Because I would not, but I'm happy to defer to you.

Speaker 3 You know what I love about that scene? And this is a take that's coming later. I think they fucking nailed the young versions of Kingsley and Redford.

Speaker 2 I love those actors.

Speaker 2 I had

Speaker 1 Redford is great.

Speaker 3 He's great. And young Kingsley looks like him.

Speaker 3 If we put it on a scale of if young Tommy and Goodfellas is a 10, like the best one that's ever been done, these guys are like seven, fives, or eights. I completely buy that it's them.

Speaker 1 I had Redford as like a nine. Yeah.
Like I really, he looks like Electric Horseman Redford.

Speaker 2 He's got like the thick hair and the mustache.

Speaker 4 That's Michael from Twin Peaks. Like he's a guy I know, but you put that

Speaker 4 handle or mustache on him. And I was just like, that's right.
And he got the intonation perfectly.

Speaker 1 I thought Kingsley was like a five and a half.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 he was good.

Speaker 4 We're going to have to spend a lot of time talking about Kingsley's accent in this movie.

Speaker 4 And I feel like probably the young guy doing whatever it is that Kingsley was doing was sort of distracted by that assignment. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm into that.

Speaker 1 Most rewatchable scene: the bad guys find Marty,

Speaker 1 allegedly in SA agents.

Speaker 1 One of them is Timothy Busfield, who was having a little run here. He was in Field of Dreams.
I think 30-something might still be on at this point. Yeah.
Oh, it is.

Speaker 1 He had shed Revenge of the Nerds, I felt like, at this point, you weren't looking at him and just thinking of him playing the bass.

Speaker 1 What was that? Electric guitar? What was he?

Speaker 2 What did he play?

Speaker 3 I keep waiting for the nerds pod. I just don't know if we're responsible enough to do it.
It's got some problematic stuff.

Speaker 2 It's got some deep problems. We almost did it.
We can't. The movie does not exist.

Speaker 4 It's gone. You can't find it.

Speaker 1 We were going to do it when House was here, and the movie's just hit.

Speaker 2 You can't rent it. It doesn't exist.

Speaker 5 Stream it. It's been wiped.

Speaker 2 Anthony Andrews has gone to that

Speaker 3 story where it doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 3 Lambda, Lambda, Lambda. Those are my guys.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's Timothy Busfield and Eddie Jones, who is a great.
I love Eddie Jones. He played Pa Kent on Lewis and Clark.
So I always think of him as Pa Kent when I see him. But

Speaker 4 he's so, they're such great assholes in this movie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Trying to get the math guy's password while

Speaker 1 this Czech lady is seducing

Speaker 1 him is just kind of funny, but I like the next scene.

Speaker 3 You can laugh out loud at Carl saying, Bishop, you think I could take a look?

Speaker 2 Even he wants to see.

Speaker 3 This is 92. You can't get internet porn and all that.

Speaker 2 He's like, wow,

Speaker 2 it's so funny.

Speaker 4 But when Potty, and then Poitiers like, grow up, and then he's like, let me see.

Speaker 1 But the next scene's better when Marty gets caught in the office with the Czech lady.

Speaker 2 That's a really good scene.

Speaker 1 And the little earpieces. I always wonder when people have earpieces like that,

Speaker 1 you can't tell when you're just talking to them. Like, if Joanne had an earpiece right now with somebody talking into it, I wouldn't be able to hear that.

Speaker 4 It depends on how slick your tech is.

Speaker 2 And I don't know how 92 speakers' tech is.

Speaker 5 If it's the 80s, that woman's topless for sure.

Speaker 2 Oh, 1983. Yeah, that's a good idea.
That's like an actual sex scene. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We got out.
In the 90s, we were just better people.

Speaker 1 The Clinton administration was coming.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 4 Clinton really cleaned everything.

Speaker 2 We had a lot of hope in 92.

Speaker 3 that things were going to be Carl wanting to see in the camera.

Speaker 2 That's what he is.

Speaker 1 The Czech lady, I'm not positive what's going on there, and it's pretty silly, but I enjoy it.

Speaker 4 I love her.

Speaker 4 She's also in Field of Dreams. She's in almost every Phil Eldon Robinson movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, she was the crazy book burning lady in Field of Dreams.

Speaker 4 And she's in Some of All Fears. And then there's like an Easter egg in Sum of All Fears.
Her character's name in this movie gets like mentioned in Sum of All Fears.

Speaker 1 It's the I think Joanna is really auditioning for the Sum of All Fears rewatching.

Speaker 2 Some podcast is what I'm taking away. You're all over.
What I'm taking away.

Speaker 4 Solo podcast. I just think it's fascinating that Phil Alden Robinson's like, she's my girl.
I'm going to put her in all of my movies. Love her.

Speaker 1 They cracked the code for Setec Astronomy.

Speaker 2 Sea Tech Astronomy, whatever it was. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Rat Seaman Cooties.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 1 All right. The Ben Kingsley Cosmo Reveal.

Speaker 1 So Marty has no idea this is coming.

Speaker 4 I guess not.

Speaker 1 He never thought about this. Like, oh, the guy died in prison.
I'm just going to accept that explanation.

Speaker 3 I think. I think he hoped he did.

Speaker 4 I think you can explain that he's so burdened by guilt about this that he's just sort of like, I hope this is the end of that story.

Speaker 1 Is he burdened by guilt?

Speaker 2 Seems like he kind of moved on.

Speaker 1 It's like, ah, I was getting some pizza. Fuck that guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I don't think he tried to help him at anything. I think he's like this wild dog who's out of there.
He didn't.

Speaker 2 Not at all.

Speaker 1 It's like how Kyle and I felt when Shraig's went to ESPN.

Speaker 2 It's like, hey, Bill, knowing that Peter's going to listen to this, that is not how I felt. How dare you?

Speaker 4 I will say that

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 4 Cosmos Alive reveal is kind of impossible to do when you show the movie to people now because they're like, when is Ben Kingsley getting here? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 Like they know Ben Kingsley's in the movie and they're like, where is he? So.

Speaker 1 Kyle, what do you think when characters say things like, I might be able to crash the whole damn system think about it no more rich people no more poor people everyone is going to be the same

Speaker 3 it's great monologuing it's great rhetoric and then the follow-up by bish you haven't gone crazy have you kaz exactly right

Speaker 3 especially because he's giving that speech and we got to talk about this later but like Obviously, Cosmo's office is just a fucking revelation.

Speaker 3 He's giving the speech in some sort of like a Darth Vader back-to-take chamber.

Speaker 2 I don't even know what they're sitting on. What is that?

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. I think that's where he goes with.

Speaker 1 It's like a guy to Austin Powers.

Speaker 4 No one watching him or something. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 But yeah, an evil lair is definitely what that is.

Speaker 1 It's like a, I'm thinking about being evil lair. It's not even an evil lair.

Speaker 4 That's in my unanswerable questions is what is Cosmo's plan exactly?

Speaker 2 Well, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, here's the thing with Redford in that scene and what you just said about him being like

Speaker 1 Redford was a really good like counter puncher reactor playoff, somebody who's like doing something bigger than he is and just having these little,

Speaker 1 you know, like being confused or kind of staring somebody down. I always thought that was one of his best skills.
And I don't even know how to describe, I don't know who other people are doing.

Speaker 2 It was incredibly insightful.

Speaker 3 And that is this movie. He's the straight man surrounded by these eccentric characters who are blind or funny or conspiracy theorists.

Speaker 3 There's this little thing he does, exactly what you're saying, when Cosmos says, oh, it's good to see you.

Speaker 3 They cut to Redford and he kind of does this look that says, I'm not sure it's good to see you. Like it's such good acting.
He's so underrated for that.

Speaker 1 You know what he is? He's a Hall of Fame eye narrower.

Speaker 2 Oh, a squinter?

Speaker 1 When his eyes narrow, you know, he's like, the wheels are turning.

Speaker 4 That's his thinking. That's his thinking face.

Speaker 1 Or he does the, the, he listens to somebody. Oh, the golden retriever head tilt.
There's a pause.

Speaker 1 You know what it is, and then he has an answer.

Speaker 3 You know that Gifu guy who goes like

Speaker 3 changes his eyes, yeah. Like, Redford does that all the way to the Hall of Fame.
He's great at it.

Speaker 4 I think, um,

Speaker 4 I think the Cosmoville is really interesting. I think that scene is really interesting.
I think that monologue is absolutely bananas.

Speaker 4 I do think it's interesting that you say that Redford is a straight man. He is a straight man in this movie, but he gets so many jokes.
Like, he gets so many jokes off in this movie, too.

Speaker 2 He's counterpuncher.

Speaker 1 The problems always get worse. Why is that? I should do this in a Kingsley accent, but I'm not going to.
Good luck.

Speaker 3 Which one?

Speaker 4 Yeah, because he's disaster for the way he says disaster.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, disaster.

Speaker 4 Bizarre.

Speaker 1 Because money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it.

Speaker 2 The question is,

Speaker 1 is this movie predicted in the 2020s?

Speaker 2 Is this movie

Speaker 4 in favor of what these guys were doing in the 60s?

Speaker 4 Or is it, you know, this is the conversation we're having about one battle after another.

Speaker 4 What does it say about these revolutionaries of what they become in one battle in like in modern day and one battle after another?

Speaker 4 And what does it say about Cosmo, who's like in the 60s, is like, let's fuck over Richard Nixon. And then the 90s, you're like,

Speaker 4 the movie thinks he's crazy, but what he's preaching is financial equity. I don't really understand exactly what the movie wants us to think about that.

Speaker 1 Thank you for bringing this up. I think bringing the PTA movie is smart, bringing that in.
So this is like

Speaker 1 45, 50 almost 50 years of that theme which is basically like my mom and dad like they're in college and it's like we're going to change the world and then

Speaker 1 you know 10 years later it's like wait what are we going to do now like this this kind of sucks that's been like

Speaker 1 people try to change the world they get older and you either keep that passion or you don't And in Kingsley's case, he keeps the passion, but in like the craziest, darkest way possible.

Speaker 2 It's almost like a comic book movie.

Speaker 3 They have a moment where Carl pulls them aside and says, I just don't understand. Why were you taking all these chances? And he's like, Well, there was a war going on.

Speaker 3 Well, we just wanted to meet girls. Carl is like speaking for the younger people in that scene.
And then he's speaking for my parents. It's a cool little moment.

Speaker 1 This is like the big chill. This is the it's the first movie that really was just like, this is about this theme.
What happens when you get older and you can't change the world anymore?

Speaker 1 What do you do then? And Kevin Klein's character is like, you know, it's cool. Money.

Speaker 2 That's the thing. You buy a lot of stuff.
Yeah. I have a really cool house.
If you see my house, buy stuff, that'll make it better.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Just spoiler, this is my most re-watchable scene when they figure out where Marty got taken.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the cocktail party scene.

Speaker 2 This whole thing, figuring out the sounds. That's it.

Speaker 1 And Whistler, just like on his little thing, does it sound like this? Does it, I just think that's a riveting five minutes.

Speaker 3 I'm proud of you because there's a skeptic's reaction to that scene as, oh, fucking, come on. You're not going to hear what the sound of the highway is when you're unconscious in the back of a trunk.

Speaker 3 He's like, well, the seams of the concrete. I like the scene too.
Struthern or whatever his name is carries it beautifully. Straight.
There's a lot of people who are like, That's bullshit.

Speaker 1 Really? There's people out there.

Speaker 2 There are detractors?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you wouldn't believe that, but there are. Yes, it's unlikely, but

Speaker 3 it does work.

Speaker 1 They stole it for taking two.

Speaker 4 They don't believe that David Struthern knows that Whistler has memorized the seam allowance between

Speaker 4 the concrete on the Dunbarton Bridge.

Speaker 1 Well, also that Barty, who probably has a concussion and or CTE from the hit he took, is going going to be in a trunk like, all right, I'm memorizing that sound and now that sound.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're probably in the car like, oh, my head.

Speaker 4 This is a, this is a,

Speaker 4 there's a nitpick about this scene and then I have a well actually to the nitpick, right? Because in that scene, they say there are four Bay Area bridges, right? Sure.

Speaker 2 There are actually five.

Speaker 1 Oh, is this a San Francisco nitpick?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Wow.
Show is really like bringing it to me.

Speaker 4 I have a well, actually. There's five.
Because they mentioned the Golden Gate, the Bay, the Dunbarton, and San Mateo. There's the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge.
But

Speaker 4 if you're coming from San Francisco, which is the origin, I believe, then there's only four that matter.

Speaker 4 But a lot of people will say, well, actually, they didn't mention the Richmond San Rafael Bridge. And I'm like, why would you talk about it if you're starting in San Francisco?

Speaker 1 So I've never seen Kyle more riveted by anything.

Speaker 2 Originally, we thought there was another bridge and that Brock Purdy was a bridge quarterback, but it turns out he's not the real deal. NFL joke.

Speaker 2 NFL joke.

Speaker 4 I will say the Bay Area.

Speaker 4 The Bay Area in me,

Speaker 4 the biggest, it's actually one of my favorite parts of the movie because I get excited every time it comes up. And it's the way that Canadian Dan Aykroyd pronounces the Dunbar

Speaker 2 bridge.

Speaker 4 He says Dumbarton in a really weird way that if you grew up listening to the web of like the traffic reports in the Bay Area, you're like, why, why would you ever say it like that?

Speaker 1 It's like me saying Stratharne. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Dumbarton.

Speaker 2 The Dumbarton bridge.

Speaker 3 We're now calling David Stratharin Michael Strahan.

Speaker 2 It's come to that.

Speaker 4 The society we live in.

Speaker 1 i really like that scene uh two more kingsley figures it out and he's on the intercom i like when bad guys are on an intercom in a building joanna

Speaker 2 you must come out now you're saying that like you don't do that every day at the mateo i should i should start coming downtown and just go on the intercom hello ringer

Speaker 3 it's also that that point where he's like She's lovely, Marty.

Speaker 2 And then they go and they show Mary McDonald's. You're like, oh, shit, you got him.
Let's go, Kaz.

Speaker 1 I have a very short rewatchable scene that I'm going to talk about later, not for this, that's just for me that I was fascinated by and I videotaped. I'm going to show you later.

Speaker 1 And then finally, a James Earl Earl Jones cameo. Oh, what a great scene.
During like peak James Earl Jones.

Speaker 1 I mean, Apex Mountain of James Earl Jones, Field of Dreams, Sand Lot, this movie, like he would pop up. It was like fucking being handed a hot fudge Sunday.

Speaker 4 Two of our.

Speaker 4 Oh, thank you. Two of our ringer pals are like the perfect example of what I was talking about at the beginning about what this movie can be.

Speaker 4 Because when I told Van that we were, he, I was like, oh, I'm doing Rewatchable tomorrow. He's like, what are you doing? Van's jealous.
And I was like, sneakers, he, he gasped. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He was so excited. Right.

Speaker 4 And, um,

Speaker 4 but Rob or our pal Rob Mahoney had not seen sneakers. He went to go see it in rep last week for the first time.
He had never seen it because he was like, Joanna's obsessed with this.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go see it. It's in rep.

Speaker 1 You bullied everybody.

Speaker 1 She's bullying ringer staffers left and right.

Speaker 2 What I do best.

Speaker 4 And he's like, it played so well. He was like, the way the crowd lost it when James Earl Jones showed up at the end of this movie.

Speaker 2 I was like, yeah, it's such a movie.

Speaker 3 I feel every time I watch it, Bill, it's like, all right, the crazy heist, it happened. They get back.
Now let's just roll the credits. And then it's like, glass breaks.

Speaker 2 Oh, shit. It's James Earl Jones music.
What is he doing here? And he comes in like firing. He's doing like when Bish is like, come on, one day.
And he goes, no.

Speaker 3 He sounds like Darth Vader.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think, who is James Earl Jones now?

Speaker 1 Like, who could just pop into a movie out of nowhere with eight minutes left and you're just like oh my god this guy I don't even think that person I hate to say like another like old black guy but Morgan Freeman has the voice and everybody loves him and like there's some of that going on a little bit but it's not like James Earl Jones yeah it was like it's funny because I just watched Field of Dreams again recently I don't know if it was like the 85th time or the 70th time or whatever but I just love him so much in that movie.

Speaker 1 It's one of my favorite performance. He's just so great and so happy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He seems to be be so intimidating too.

Speaker 3 Bill, when, when he turns the van around and he's standing there and she goes, Moonlight Graham.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 3 I'm pissed myself in that scene in the loft at the end of it when he's just like, I'm going to be sick. And like, it's, it makes me so intimidated.
It's like, he's my

Speaker 3 grandfather. And I'm like, I did something wrong.

Speaker 4 He's so great. That scene is so good.

Speaker 1 The requests are really funny.

Speaker 2 Winnebago.

Speaker 1 Ackwood wants a Winnebago with burgundy interior.

Speaker 2 That's great.

Speaker 1 Sid wants to take his wife to Europe. And Tahiti.

Speaker 2 And Tahiti. And Tahiti.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm Carl. I'm Mary.
River Phoenix just wants a phone number from the kind of sneaky hot F by FBI, whatever she was.

Speaker 1 And then Whistler wants peace on earth and goodwill toward men.

Speaker 1 And then James Earl Jones says, none of this happened.

Speaker 2 With the U.S. government,

Speaker 2 yeah. Despox

Speaker 2 deliberately disobeyed me. It's the best.

Speaker 1 So what do you have for most rewatchable kyle?

Speaker 3 I think the entire Warner Brandis sequence is fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 From the time they identify his office next to Cosmos, the garbage, the 180iQ, the scene in the restaurant with trying to check off the thing. But that's a sequence.

Speaker 3 If I'm answering the question honestly, Bill,

Speaker 3 I mean, it's got to be the final heist and the fortress and like the walking across and that type of shit, all in the middle of that.

Speaker 2 Joe?

Speaker 4 I think the answer is the cocktail party scene, but I also want to add that, like, that the scrabble tile sequence happens at the same time as like Whistler and Carl and Mother are messing around with the box.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? Like, you're doing two things at once in a scene. I think, you know, and figuring out what it can do.

Speaker 4 that that tension. So they're like trying to figure out the James Horner score is going crazy in that sequence.
Pianos are like being tossed off of cliffs and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 I just think that that's such a smart economy. It's so hard to make hacking look interesting, right? Because you're just sitting in front of a monitor.

Speaker 2 Most movies fit.

Speaker 4 And you know what can make it more interesting? A scrabble game.

Speaker 4 Some scrabble tiles on top of that.

Speaker 1 What's the most 1992 thing about this movie?

Speaker 4 Is it Robert Redford's light wash straight leg dad jeans?

Speaker 1 I had Redford's baseball jacket because it's the same jacket from the natural.

Speaker 4 It's not the exact same one.

Speaker 2 Literally the same coat, right?

Speaker 1 That looks like the jacket from the natural. And then I googled it.

Speaker 4 It's not the exact same one.

Speaker 1 It's the exact same

Speaker 1 jacket. It's not.

Speaker 2 That's what it said on the internet about half-ass internet research. I know, but

Speaker 4 my whole ass internet research

Speaker 4 found out that it's not the same jacket. But it looks the same.

Speaker 4 Definitely. Definitely.

Speaker 4 But he goes.

Speaker 1 Is it more fun if it is the same jacket?

Speaker 2 Let's just pretend that's it. Here's my question.
Here's my question.

Speaker 4 He goes to...

Speaker 4 Union College, I think is the name of the college that he and

Speaker 4 Cosmo go to, and that's the college from The Way We Were. Yeah.
And then Martin Bishop is a name from Three Days of the Condor. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then the jacket is like meant to look like the jacket from the natural. So is this just like Robert Redford fan fiction? Like, is this just like let's say that?

Speaker 2 Or is it the jacket?

Speaker 1 Maybe the internet information's wrong.

Speaker 4 It's not the exact same jacket, but it's very close.

Speaker 1 It's intimidating to have Joanna on the rewatchables. Just like, yeah, she's just whole ass internet research, Jubil.

Speaker 2 I didn't realize we were doing whole ass internet research. I thought it was half-ass.

Speaker 4 Mary McDonald's hair, which is feathered to hell very 1992 she looks amazing uh bay area uh bay area 1992 things first of all they're in the fox theater that's where they're it's it's an oakland theater it's a it's a usable venue but that's where their lair is so 1992 the idea that these guys

Speaker 4 uh who a woman at the beginning of the movie says not a very good living that you make could afford

Speaker 4 that uh that place in the bay area 1992 the fact that they find street parking on spears street when they do the handoff under the bay bridge 1992. It's a different Bay Area.

Speaker 1 Wow, this is hardcore.

Speaker 3 I just had a lady who says that about not a good living. What an asshole.
Was that totally necessary? Hey, you know, like you worked the counter in a bank. Who are you?

Speaker 3 What are you casting judgment about?

Speaker 2 I hate that lady.

Speaker 1 I had the computer hacker graphics

Speaker 1 and manipulating a dating service for some sort and some sort of

Speaker 1 kind of capery type thing.

Speaker 1 Now would you be manipulating what? What would it be now, Craig?

Speaker 2 uh tinder yeah you could still use a dating bumble or hinge or something bumble yeah it'd be bumble it's not even internet dating it's computer dating right

Speaker 1 but this was computer dating heyday for movies it could possibly apex mountain because singles has a whole plot around it sure and then uh see you love with pacino they do the phone service dating thing yeah Now this is why Craig didn't resonate with this movie.

Speaker 1 He didn't understand the dating.

Speaker 5 Zuckerberg saw this and was like, I'm going to come up with this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got to come up with better.

Speaker 4 I actually have a, I have that in What's Age the Worst. When Ben Kingsley's, when Cosmo says a computer matched him with her, I don't think so.
I'm like, actually,

Speaker 4 bad matches happen all the time on dating.

Speaker 1 That's why he's Sir Ben Kingsley. He lives above.

Speaker 2 He doesn't need to use a dating server.

Speaker 5 1992 thing, hiding something in an answering machine.

Speaker 3 I mean, I had a major plot point about an answering machine, another one about a car phone.

Speaker 3 But my answer was in the actual Siskel and Ebert episode where they did the TV show on this, Gene Siskel introduces the movie by saying, starring Robert Redford, Sidney Poitier, and Timothy Busfeld from 30 Something.

Speaker 2 Like, holy shit,

Speaker 3 he jumped over Dan Aykroyd, who was in Ghostbusters and Mary McDonald's and Dancing with Whoops. And the producer's like, No, Gene, trust me, 30 Something's big.

Speaker 2 You got to make sure you get Busfeld.

Speaker 2 All right,

Speaker 4 got a stun for Busfeld.

Speaker 1 I had one more. The movie ends with a national news report announcing the sudden bankruptcy of the Republican National Committee

Speaker 1 and that simultaneous large donations were made to Amnesty International, Greenpeace, and the United Negro College Fund. It just felt very 92 to me

Speaker 1 that they picked those charities.

Speaker 2 Yes. And then we had a national news thing.

Speaker 1 What's age the best?

Speaker 2 All the Republican barbs are pretty interesting in the 2025 context.

Speaker 3 Like pure sucker punches right to the bridge of the nose. And I don't remember there being any conversation about it.

Speaker 3 Like now there'd be picketing and there'd be James Bush tweets and everyone would lose their minds.

Speaker 2 Like, that's, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's funny because this movie comes out right as everybody was really turning on the Republicans in 92 and Clinton was rising and the election's about to happen. And there's that George H.W.

Speaker 4 Bush dig, right? Where like the homeless man's like, they're taking my home. And he's like, ask him.
And he points to a Bush poster.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, in college, it happened fast. Yeah.
It was going great for Bush. And then all of a sudden, people are like, he's out.

Speaker 2 Clinton's in. We're like, okay.

Speaker 4 The guy doesn't like one stem of broccoli and it's all over.

Speaker 1 What do you have for what's age the best?

Speaker 4 I would say information age paranoia and emotionally stunted men in Silicon Valley trying to run or ruin the world.

Speaker 3 I got one bill that I know is a specialty of yours. We talked about this in the RoboCop pod.
Screenwriting hack.

Speaker 3 If you want to make a character loathsome and give your hero a great line, name the loathsome character dick.

Speaker 2 And it allows Bishop to say, oh, I can't tell you what a relief that is. Pause, dick, it's so good every single time.

Speaker 3 Every breakfast club does it, RoboCop does it, Sneakers does it, it always hits.

Speaker 1 When we read our 80s action movie, that would be, we'll have somebody would be named Dick.

Speaker 2 We'll do that.

Speaker 1 I have, speaking of that, of tropes, any movie like this where something happens with one of the heroes and like he falls, stumbles, whatever, and he does, we're getting too old for this.

Speaker 2 Oh, the boss.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many movies that sentence has been said in, but it's over there.

Speaker 2 The way that he just

Speaker 4 biffs over that counter is so funny.

Speaker 2 Do you think that was intentional? It's hilarious.

Speaker 2 It looks like it.

Speaker 4 I think the way that Poitier just doesn't react means it's a stunt, but because he just keeps running, but like, it's a good thing. It's his mid-50s.

Speaker 3 You can't have you get injured on that shit. It is really funny, though.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's really funny.

Speaker 1 What's age the best? Dan Aykroyd is a kooky conspiracy theorist person because I think he is in real life.

Speaker 4 He definitely is. I love all the behind the

Speaker 4 scenes stuff. He goes, oh, I based this on my brother.
This is my brother.

Speaker 4 I got all of this from my brother because they added all of that conspiracy theory stuff to the character while they were making the movie. They like didn't really have

Speaker 4 a full character for mother. And so they added all that stuff, I think, to make Dan Aykroyd feel better about the fact that he wasn't playing Cosmo.

Speaker 2 Oh, excellent.

Speaker 4 And they're like, we'll give you this runner about conspiracy theory stuff. And so in all the behind-the-scenes stuff, he's like, oh, yeah, this is just my brother.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, Dan, it's you, actually. I think this is the one.

Speaker 3 Now you think the NSA killed Kelani Kennedy? No, they shot him. They didn't kill him.

Speaker 2 He's still still alive. Like, it's so good.
This is what he says he got this from his friend in Desert Storm, but he's on the other side.

Speaker 3 Oh, that kills me every time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I can't blame a sibling for all my conspiracy theories.
I just have to own them myself. Oh, God.

Speaker 2 I love Conspiracy Bill, though.

Speaker 1 For what's age the best, I really like Marty's old orange Porsche.

Speaker 4 That's my, what I want. It's not a...

Speaker 4 Do you want me to tell you that it's not a Porsche?

Speaker 1 It's probably a fake Porsche. What is it?

Speaker 4 No, it's a VW.

Speaker 2 Oh, hold on.

Speaker 3 I thought Juana might have wanted wanted the jacket because he wore the same jacket in both movies.

Speaker 2 I would think the jacket was.

Speaker 1 I thought that was like an early

Speaker 4 60s.

Speaker 4 It's a 1967 Volkswagen Carmen Ghia convertible. And it's the same car that Brad Pitt drives in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Speaker 4 Brad Pitt drives the light blue one.

Speaker 2 I found that on the...

Speaker 1 They never showed the back of it, at least for what I could tell. So I thought it was a Porsche.

Speaker 4 I found that on the same in-depth blog post where they said it's definitely not the same Letterman jacket from

Speaker 4 I don't like that blog post and I'm not going to listen to them but he goes into like the the the watches that he's wearing and like all this it's like a very like James bondification of Marty Bishop what are his jackets what are his watches what is what is the car what is his car phone I like the I will not shoot my friend shoot my friend shoot my friend great line great bad guy it's I also like right after that it's give me the box right now or I will kill you right now just good dialogue I like it catchy there's also so many um

Speaker 4 little unspoken joke moments like um at the very beginning when Carl has put like dark grease paint on his face in order to sort of debut night stealth mode for the bank heist.

Speaker 4 And then Sidney Poitier just like walks up and looks at him and just like keeps going. It's really good.

Speaker 1 Speaking of him, motherfuckers mess with me, I'll split your head. All of a sudden it's just out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they call me Mr. Peter.
It's one of the most revered actors we had.

Speaker 1 It was crazy hearing him say that. It's crazy now.

Speaker 3 It's also like kind of a screenwriting hack.

Speaker 3 If you want someone to be instantly unlikable like some random security guard make him say a racial slur to Sidney Poitier to turn around for no reason and then he goes shotgun to the face Yeah, motherfuckers messed with me I'll split you and even mother goes wow I think that was just Dan Aykroyd.

Speaker 2 I don't think that was mother

Speaker 1 The last what says your best is a pretty unique one Nick Brattell wrote this whole slate piece about how great the score was in 2012.

Speaker 1 And he was a young composer at that time, not really a named guy,

Speaker 1 and eventually ends up doing the all the scores for succession, which is like I think one of the most famous scores of this century.

Speaker 2 He talks about

Speaker 1 some stuff coming that I know about that I'm not allowed to say.

Speaker 1 Tell me later, but like he does, he but he's like, I would say one of the most famous under 50 composers we have right now for movies and TV.

Speaker 4 And he talks about how obsessed he is with that James Horner score, and it is such a weird score, right? Because you've got the

Speaker 4 saxophone, which is very 90s, right?

Speaker 4 And you've got the sort of like smooth saxophone marsalis yeah brentfer marsalis like really good stuff then you've got the like weird almost like haunted tim burton christmas like ah uh like vocals on there and then you've got those like pianos off the cliff stuff that they do and it's just like such a weird great score more than a good what's the most 1992 thing about this movie is the score feels very early 90s to me But it just feels like, it feels like three different early 90s scores.

Speaker 3 Corner is like, he's like the sound of the 90s he's doing titanic and brave heart like that's like those are just all field of dreams

Speaker 2 yeah

Speaker 1 aliens he did um

Speaker 1 all right picca hooner burger award for best use of food and drink so we never see the pizza in the beginning but i do think it wins the award pepperoni pizza run and i i do wonder should he have gone to get the pizza

Speaker 1 and brought it back with the box and then

Speaker 2 and then

Speaker 1 So, we could have seen the pizza.

Speaker 1 I'm always pro. I just want to see the pizza when somebody's

Speaker 3 in a movie. We talk so much about does he care or not that Cosmo was arrested.

Speaker 3 I think he's out there eating the pizza in front of him as he's getting handed away, and he's doing the attitude era sucking thing.

Speaker 2 Like, I think he's doing all that.

Speaker 3 He got the pizza, he ate the whole fucking thing.

Speaker 2 Oh, man, tough, tough.

Speaker 2 Great check, great check order award. Mostly, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 4 What about the dim sum that Stephen Tobolowski has

Speaker 2 stuffed in his car? Are we ready for the dim sum bar?

Speaker 1 That's probably a better answer.

Speaker 2 Only because we don't get to see the pizza. Because we don't get to see the pizza.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did you have for Great Shot Gordo Award, Kyle?

Speaker 2 There's so many cinematic shots.

Speaker 3 This movie has a million, and mine is like a, maybe like a 10 seed, but when there's a scene when Redford gets thrown out of the moving car, and it's this beautiful shot of Alcatraz behind him as the sun's rising.

Speaker 3 I was like, holy shit, somebody's cooking there.

Speaker 2 That's a good one.

Speaker 4 That was on my list: Sunrise on Lombard Street in San Francisco. Because, like, it's so hard to get that shot.
Like, you're in the middle of Lombard Street. But

Speaker 4 I would say the code reflected on Whistler's glasses is like the

Speaker 4 icon of the movie.

Speaker 1 Kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness, where Best Needle Drop is clearly guys singing bad, badly Roy Brown in Chinese.

Speaker 2 Not topping that every time.

Speaker 1 I don't download that on Spotify.

Speaker 4 Werner, Werner Brandis, we have some notes, but your first aid move is Dimsum and Karaoke in Chinatown.

Speaker 4 I think it's a 10 out of 10. I think that's a great first day.

Speaker 2 I agree.

Speaker 1 I think there's a case they could have ended up together.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's a hard cut to that guy.
It's like baddest man in the whole day. I laugh every time.
It's so good. He's great.

Speaker 4 What about Chain of Aretha Franklin, Chain of Fools?

Speaker 2 When Mary McDonald danced with everyone. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And Dan Eckrod has some moves.

Speaker 3 Did you know that? Dan Eckrod's a great dancer. Look at at the credit sequence of The Great Outdoors.
He's incredible.

Speaker 2 Really good dancer. Great point.

Speaker 1 I mean, he landed Donna Dixon.

Speaker 2 I assume he had a lot of time. I think he did that.

Speaker 3 Bill, if he's a good dancer, you know what else he is. Come on.

Speaker 1 Number one overall pick.

Speaker 4 I have another question. In the background of that party, you hear Dylan's Everybody Must Get Stoned before he starts singing.
You just like hear the

Speaker 2 opening of it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you have to pay for it if you don't hear Dylan sing? You still have to pay for it, right? And isn't that

Speaker 2 expensive?

Speaker 1 On TV, you can fall up to seven seconds. In movies, I don't think you can.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think you have to.
That's incredible. You're paying whatever.

Speaker 1 Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name. It's got to be a blind guy named Whistler.
I don't know. Are we topping that?

Speaker 4 I think Werner Brandis is really good. I think Gunter Jenick Yannick is really good.

Speaker 2 Gunter Jannick?

Speaker 4 Donald Logue's character. Whistler, Mother Crease, Cosmo.

Speaker 3 I mean, Cosmo a couple years before Cosmo Kramer.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He just came out of the wire.

Speaker 1 All right. We're taking a break and then Joanna's got a flex category.

Speaker 2 All right.

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Speaker 1 All right, Joanna, Flex category. What do you got?

Speaker 4 Well, we already did. I was, I actually had two because

Speaker 4 was there a

Speaker 4 better title for this movie was going to be one of the ones I picked, but we already covered that.

Speaker 4 And the only reason I had two, because I was worried this other one is the most obvious one, which is the Matt Damon and Euro Trip Award for Most Unexpected A-lister camp.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 4 James Earl Jones. James Earl Jones.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good one that's fair do you think

Speaker 4 james earl jones knows the words to scotty doesn't know

Speaker 2 and would you like to hear that

Speaker 2 scotty doesn't know

Speaker 5 with sora too you can

Speaker 4 that was not an adverse

Speaker 2 oh no

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 1 the butcher's girlfriend award for week link of the film. I'm going to go last because I'm coming hot.

Speaker 2 What do you got, Kyle? All right.

Speaker 3 I just have no fucking idea how that black box works. I don't understand.
I don't know what it means. I don't understand the technology.

Speaker 3 It's like it's a magic box. It's one of these items like the Tesseract or the Sankara stones.
We're just like, it's just go with it. It can hack anything in the world.

Speaker 3 I don't understand the technology or any of that shit. And everybody wants it, but I don't get it.

Speaker 1 I had it in Picket Knits.

Speaker 1 It's basically, it's an encryption-breaking chip, but it's magical. This is how you have to think about it.
Mathematically, this definitely does not exist.

Speaker 2 Decode

Speaker 4 well, we don't know about it if it does exist. Would we know about it?

Speaker 1 That's the most important thing would be a chip that could solve everything. Seems unrealistic to me.
Um, in 1992, I was like, okay, maybe.

Speaker 3 Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 I just, I didn't get it. I still don't get it.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 I'm coming in way higher than that.

Speaker 4 I think mine might be the same as yours.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 4 it is Ben Kingsley,

Speaker 4 but I love him in this movie, but it's not not Ben Kingsley, who's in a different movie altogether.

Speaker 1 So I had Ben Kingsley as the weak link.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also have him getting three other categories. The Judd Nelson and New Jack City Award for actor who's in a completely different movie.

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 1 The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinik Partridge Over Acting Award. Yes.
And then a new award, Kyle, just for you.

Speaker 1 The Stephen Seagal Award for we should have gotten you a running double. Can we talk about his running?

Speaker 2 Oh, is this what you take, right? Yeah, I take this for you guys.

Speaker 4 He's the anti-Redford.

Speaker 2 Because Redford's a great movie runner. He's the anti-Redford.

Speaker 3 Can you see? The run is tough. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh. It's a double run.

Speaker 4 It's a trot.

Speaker 1 He does, but then he does it again. Then he runs over the next thing.
It's like he couldn't figure out how to run in loafers or something.

Speaker 2 What is he doing?

Speaker 2 How did they not do a second cut? He's like kind of free. He's trotting.

Speaker 1 It's almost like watching somebody run on ice when they have sneakers, like after you win the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 2 Well, we don't know what he's running. We don't know what the mafia did to him in person.

Speaker 4 We don't know what the mafia did to him in person.

Speaker 2 He's the least cool bad guy.

Speaker 1 He's not scary.

Speaker 4 That's not true at all because he just ran past a tank full of little sharks.

Speaker 1 I knew Joe Anna would hate this.

Speaker 2 No, I don't hate it.

Speaker 4 I agree with you. Ben Kingsley is like...

Speaker 1 His hair, like the weird.

Speaker 3 It's just like Segal. He's got the ponytail.

Speaker 2 It's the same year.

Speaker 3 It's the same run. Actually, Bill, after you showed that video, they're not taking his sir away.

Speaker 2 It's gone. It's staying.
It's always over.

Speaker 1 You know you should hit hit sir when you when you're running like that.

Speaker 2 I think that either run fast or walk fast, but you can't like do a job.

Speaker 3 He runs in there, Billy goes, He goes, Why is it so hot in here? Hey, better question.

Speaker 2 What the fuck was that last 10 yards cause?

Speaker 4 I um, when you, when all the actors were interviewed about this movie, there's they know exactly what this movie is, which is this like light-hearted entertainment move, right?

Speaker 4 It's a fun caper movie, right? And you know, uh, Akroy's like, my character is a conspiracy theorist. Phoenix is like, like, my character is the young guy who wants to be like the other guys.

Speaker 4 He worships them.

Speaker 2 And then Ben Kingsley's like,

Speaker 4 my character has no soul, no emotional core. Marty is his emotional wire.
Like, he's talking about like he's in Shakespeare.

Speaker 4 Like he's on a different project altogether and he's playing to the rafters.

Speaker 1 He's not doing the movies Kyle and I love. And there's, and we did, we even did like a one to 10 scale of bad guys in movies.
Like Jeremy Irons and Die Hard with a Vengeance is a good example.

Speaker 3 Like it's the Hans Gruber scale.

Speaker 1 I'm the villain, but I'm having fun with this. There's going to be some unintentional comedy for you.
I'm really going to chew up the scenery.

Speaker 1 I don't know what Ben Kingsley's doing in this movie necessarily.

Speaker 4 When he says, Money

Speaker 4 on the roof, that's not him having fun and chewing up the scenery.

Speaker 2 You don't think that's a question.

Speaker 3 Joanna, what's going on with the moment? What's the subtext when he goes, don't go?

Speaker 2 Like, is he in love with him?

Speaker 3 I'm honestly asking that.

Speaker 2 I think he is.

Speaker 1 Honestly, this made me, I had a whole crisis of Ben Kingsley.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I should have thinked through other Ben Kingsley's parts, and I'm like, you know, he's really bad in species, but I kind of enjoy how bad he is because I don't think he wants to be in the movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah. In Searching for Bobby Fisher, he's kind of a psychopath.

Speaker 4 This is, this take is too hot for keep cooking, bills.

Speaker 2 Keep cooking.

Speaker 2 Come on, baby.

Speaker 2 I wanted a social clip out of this. But the thing is.

Speaker 2 Are we sure Ben Kingsley is good?

Speaker 1 Are we sure he could have gotten served?

Speaker 1 But I'm with

Speaker 4 Schindler's legs.

Speaker 1 You missed the Sopranos. He's so fucking good in the Sopranos episode with Christopher that I think he is good.
I just think he feels like he has to do something different in each movie.

Speaker 1 And sometimes the choice doesn't work.

Speaker 4 He's trying really hard in this movie, and everyone else is just having a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Your feelings seem hurt. What do you got?

Speaker 3 Oh, no, my feelings are soaring. I think it's absolutely hilarious that Bill thinks the weak link of this movie is a 10-second period in which Ben Kingsley runs.

Speaker 3 And I think it's funny, and I get it, you know, because he's doing the power stride with the remote, and that's fine. But there's such a chasm between running and walking.
He walks fine.

Speaker 3 The run is instantly terrible.

Speaker 2 It's hard about different accents.

Speaker 1 He never picks an accent. And why does Cosmo have to have an accent?

Speaker 4 I don't know. No reason.
He could have.

Speaker 4 And also, I've heard Ben Kingsley do an American accent. He can do it okay.
I don't know what choices he's making in this movie, but it's very strange.

Speaker 2 He's like, take over the world, Marty.

Speaker 3 And then he's like, will you step away from the ladder? And we're like, wait, holy shit.

Speaker 2 What is that, Cosmos? Disaster.

Speaker 2 It's like trying like a Bronx accent. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I had for a recasting couch for this.

Speaker 2 William Hurt.

Speaker 4 Well, what's funny is that Ben Kingsley is like over 10 years younger than Robert Redford. So it is weird to have them as like old buddies.

Speaker 2 Almost trying to look older. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like more gray in his hair and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 John Voigt.

Speaker 1 Doing his coach Bud Kilmer like evil guy.

Speaker 4 You don't think that, like, isn't Voigt in a completely different movie in Varsity Blues? Like, Voigt would bring the same energy.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 Y'all have a good time.

Speaker 4 It would be the same energy. It would be unhinged energy.

Speaker 4 I would happily take it.

Speaker 2 William Hurt? No?

Speaker 4 I think William Hurt is too normal for what you need in Cosmo.

Speaker 4 You need a guy who went to prison and lost his marbles.

Speaker 3 How about, all right. How about you want someone who lost his marbles? How about Willem Dafoe?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Faraday.

Speaker 1 Willem Dafoe, that's a really good one.

Speaker 2 That's a great one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's instead of of him doing

Speaker 1 Speed 2, I guess that was a little bit later.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I can't wait for the social clip where we show Ben Kingsley running multiple times.

Speaker 2 Can we put a movie? I'm going to retweet it. Then I'm going to take the retweet logo off and unretweet it and then retweet it again so I can just keep promoting the retweet.
That's a pro move.

Speaker 2 Repeat it again.

Speaker 3 I love it.

Speaker 1 What's age the worst? You mentioned Redford. He was 56 when he made this movie.
He's just too old to be in this movie, but I'm fine with it. I'm not arguing.

Speaker 1 But if he's in the late 60s and this movie's in 1992, that's 23 years.

Speaker 1 So even if he's like a grad school student in Union, you're still in your mid-40s when you're in this movie and he's 56.

Speaker 4 Something that the screenwriters talked about is that, again, they worked on this from

Speaker 4 like right after War Games to when it came out. So for 10 years.
And they said every time they came back to the screenplay, they just changed Marty's age to their age. Marty was always their age.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But they were only only like 42 when they made the movie.
So like, I think Marty's trying, like, Redford's trying to go for early 40s in this, failing, but trying.

Speaker 2 There's a story, though, Kyle.

Speaker 1 Yeah. From our guy Robinson, the director.
He was at Kevin Costner's Oscar party. The netty woman with Dances with Wolves.
A CA agent came up to him. They're making sneakers at this point.

Speaker 1 And he's trying to get Bob in the movie. And he's like, Bob, who?

Speaker 1 He said, Redford. For what movie?

Speaker 2 Sneakers. For what role? The lead.

Speaker 1 And he said, no, no, no, the character is my age. It's a lot younger.

Speaker 1 And then he said,

Speaker 1 all right, just send it to him. I don't want to insult him.
He's one of my idols.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 1 he read it. And when Robert Redford wants to do your movie and you're Phil Auden Robinson, you say yes.
You say yes.

Speaker 4 And everyone follows Rob Redford. Like, that's how they get everyone.

Speaker 1 That's why there's no casting wid-ifs for this movie.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Because everyone's like, Redford's in?

Speaker 4 I'm in.

Speaker 2 How many actors are there?

Speaker 3 I've got unanswerable questions.

Speaker 3 I don't want to insult you, Joanna, because I know you love this movie. You love Robert.
So do I.

Speaker 1 I already insulted her with the Ben Kingsley stuff.

Speaker 2 Don't worry. Uninsulted.

Speaker 4 I'm living my best life.

Speaker 2 I'm doing sneakers rewatchables. I couldn't be happier.
All right.

Speaker 3 Is this a better movie with Kevin Costner in the lead? Just hear me out.

Speaker 3 I think he's slightly funnier than Robert Redford. He can be just as charming.
He's a little younger.

Speaker 3 And if you put Willem Dafoe as Cosmo, you get the band back together with Mary McDonnell and James Rollin. It might be a better movie.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't hate it because I do love this era of Costner a lot.

Speaker 2 Costner would have been great.

Speaker 4 But I love that Robert Redford did this movie.

Speaker 1 I think it's an important Redford catalog movie. He needs it.
But you're right. Costner's really good in this movie if he's in it.
Absolutely. Yes.
More Woodsage the Worst. So listen, I love Scrabble.

Speaker 1 Huge Simmons family game. But I wonder, like, if this movie was made now, would it be like they're playing Block Blast or Roblox?

Speaker 2 Does anyone play Scrabble in 2025?

Speaker 2 When was the last time Scrabble happened?

Speaker 4 I play Scrabble with my nephews. People play Scrabble.

Speaker 1 Younger people are playing Scrabble still? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Craig? It's like a board game. When was the last time you played Scrabble board?

Speaker 5 Look, I haven't played Scrabble in a while, but that doesn't mean it's too old. Also, like Redford 656 in this movie.

Speaker 5 What would you be playing now?

Speaker 1 I'm just, I'm thinking about for a what's age the worst, seeing Scrabble pieces, which I think really meant something in 1992 because Scrabble and Monopoly were like the big two.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't know. I think there's still a kind of a nostalgic love for Scrabble.
Okay, good.

Speaker 1 uh the seduction scene in the math guy's office is um too silly i leave message on service but you do not call

Speaker 1 it becomes an snl sketch for two minutes i i flag

Speaker 4 in mexico city baby i didn't know you could do that in mexico city anything else kyle for what stage is the worst we've covered all mine okay

Speaker 4 i have one okay I think most of David Strother and his whistler is good.

Speaker 4 It could be dicey in the early 90s, but like, I think the dancing, I might, I might do another take on the dancing, which is a little too TV wonder for my taste.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kyle of a flex category.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 I was going to go rock band Cootie's Rat Seaman, who would totally be on the band's warp tour, but instead, I'm going to go.

Speaker 3 I'm going to go with the Mallory Rubin. Did this movie need a better sex scene? And you think that I'm going to say that it's Bish and Liz.
It's not.

Speaker 3 It's Carl and Mary at the fucking end of the movie. I have always loved Mary with the Uzi.
I always thought she was a total babe. Her name's Amy Benedict.
She's worked consistently for 30 years.

Speaker 1 She's the babysitter on 30-something, who I think had an affair with somebody. Perfect.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I feel like Carl deserved some love at the end of the movie.

Speaker 3 And Bill, I'm sorry, Joanne, I'm going to defile this podcast, but Bill, I'd like to officially induct Carl into the Rudy Rudiger Horny Hall of Fame characters.

Speaker 2 Carl is in.

Speaker 3 Loud and Swain from Vision Quest is in. And Bill, you nominated both Wyatt and Gary from Wayne Science, Weird Science.
Yes. They're in, and Carl is in on the strength of getting the phone number.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Who else? Joel Goodson has to be in.

Speaker 3 Joel Goodson, without a doubt, in the suburbs of Chicago.

Speaker 3 He's a first ballot guy.

Speaker 2 And so is Carl.

Speaker 4 Okay. Do you think if it's 1992, we have the same terrible poster, the same terrible title,

Speaker 4 but the tagline is. There's a River Phoenix sex scene in this.
Do you think this movie does better?

Speaker 2 Yes, as long as it's

Speaker 4 there's a River Phoenix sex scene.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and it's it's everything about James Artillery. They push some.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they push River Phoenix. Everything's good.

Speaker 1 The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford's hottest take award.

Speaker 2 What do you have, Joanna?

Speaker 4 Okay, here's my tepid take is this is Redford's best film of the 90s, and I don't think it's particularly close.

Speaker 4 My hotter take is I think this is Redford's last great movie, barring his Marvel movies.

Speaker 4 Yeah, directorial doesn't count. Barring his Marvel movies, it's a different thing altogether.

Speaker 1 I would agree.

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is his last great. movie.

Speaker 1 People would put Chris Show as a, but he directed it.

Speaker 4 But he directed it. I'm not talking about Chris's show as unimpeachable, but like

Speaker 4 there's a couple late, late Redford stuff that people stump for, but I think this is it. This is his last great movie.

Speaker 2 What do you have, Kyle?

Speaker 3 Mine's got some heat on it.

Speaker 3 Oh, boy.

Speaker 2 I'm ready.

Speaker 3 Marty Bishop doing the slow walk across Cosmo's office and back. is more impressive to me than anything Ethan Hunt ever did in a Mission Impossible movie.

Speaker 2 Let me lay it down for you.

Speaker 4 I'm with you. I had

Speaker 4 better than Mission Impossible. And I think this is

Speaker 3 a 56-year-old man who has been knocked unconscious three times in the last couple of days.

Speaker 3 He is doing this in a room that is 98.6 degrees, and the shotguns are coming for him if he goes three inches per second instead of two.

Speaker 3 Ethan Hunt learned to hold his breath for a long time, la-dee-da-di-da. Everything he did is physical and can be trained with some balls over enough time.
Bish,

Speaker 3 poise, focus. When I was a kid and I watched this movie, I used to try to walk across my room holding like a slaughtered CD and trying to do this.

Speaker 3 And after like 20 seconds, I'd just get bored with it and stop.

Speaker 2 It's fucking impossible.

Speaker 3 I think it's incredible that he pulled it off.

Speaker 4 Kyle is so generous that at the start of this podcast, you're like, Jerena, you might be a better sneakers fan than I am when you used to sort of like practice Bish's slow walk across cognitive.

Speaker 2 That's why the three of us are here. If either of you had been left out,

Speaker 1 I don't know if it would have been reparable.

Speaker 1 that's an incredible anecdote i love to know that i should kyle should have gone last no go on what do you got beat the three here mine is mine isn't it's not incredibly hot it's not as good as what you just did but i think in 2025

Speaker 1 right now when you think of all the people that are alive in the world and how many people like under 40 there are

Speaker 1 i think this might be his most popular movie okay Go on.

Speaker 4 Redford's most popular movie?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because like The Sting, Butch Cassidy, I just don't think people under 40 are ever watching those

Speaker 1 unless like we're looking at.

Speaker 4 He made a movie called Caf America Winter Soldier, and then he made a movie called Avengers Endgame.

Speaker 1 That's not his movie. Winter Soldier doesn't count as a resident.

Speaker 4 There's one movie.

Speaker 3 Go ahead. Go ahead, John.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 Well, if you're like, what do young people know him from? They know him. That's a Caf America

Speaker 4 Winter Soldier.

Speaker 1 I'm saying most popular movie that he was the front of.

Speaker 1 I would have said the natural forever, but I don't even know if the natural has aged the same way.

Speaker 1 Like in the 90s, you would have said the natural, no question.

Speaker 4 Butch Cassidy. Honestly, just like in terms of where it stands.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many people are watching Butch Cassidy anymore, though. That's what worries me.

Speaker 1 I would have said all the presidents vanish the other one.

Speaker 3 I know what you're saying that, like, I always say, like, if I showed it to my son, could he make it through the movie? There's one movie that relies on infamy, and it's Indecent Proposal.

Speaker 3 And the whole thing about million bucks to be with Demi Moore for the night. That is a concept.

Speaker 1 Like a relevancy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like that, even that gimmick, if you remade it, it would be interesting.

Speaker 3 Just the fact that you could do that and you make it 100 million for a night, like that one may be, but I see what you're saying with the sneaker.

Speaker 1 I think the answer might be all the president's men, though.

Speaker 2 It's either that's true, because that just comes up every like a couple months in the current political landscape that we live in.

Speaker 4 Still, the best journalism movie ever put it back on, yeah.

Speaker 1 Casting what ifs, we don't have any.

Speaker 4 Uh, Mary Mary Steenbergen as Liz.

Speaker 1 I saw that, I disregarded it. Okay, it said she was considered,

Speaker 2 I didn't care.

Speaker 1 It's like like saying Van Lathan was considered for the sneakers podcast.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 What does considered mean?

Speaker 1 Somebody mentioned once,

Speaker 1 best that guy, Timothy Busfield, not eligible.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 You know who is eligible? Our guy, Stephen Tobolowski.

Speaker 5 Old time that guy, I think.

Speaker 4 I sat next to Stephen Tobolowski at a wedding once, and we shared an Uber back to the hotel.

Speaker 3 How was he?

Speaker 1 Is that where it ended?

Speaker 2 That's where it ended. That sounded like a romantic

Speaker 2 wedding ended.

Speaker 1 I was married to Stephen Tobolowski.

Speaker 3 Joanna, was he like, Joanna, would you like to have breakfast with me?

Speaker 2 Should I phone you or nudge you?

Speaker 4 You know what? It's the best nutrition at the bottom of a monkey cage.

Speaker 2 I read that somewhere. Yeah, yeah.
Warner Brandon. He's great.
Phil? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Phil Connor?

Speaker 1 Here's my question. Is there a better three-year that guy run? Go on.

Speaker 1 Pantaliano accepted.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Than Thumb and Louise, Basic Instinct, Single White Female, Sneakers, and Groundhog Day, all in three years.

Speaker 2 It's a great run. It's a three year.

Speaker 3 Tobolowski has an awesome one-scene part in Spaceballs as well. Oh, yeah.
Where they capture the stunt doubles. He's just, he's so, so good.
He has a podcast now.

Speaker 2 He talks about all this stuff.

Speaker 4 Tobolowski files.

Speaker 1 He's loved this movie. I think if you're ranking, if we did Tobolowski rankings,

Speaker 1 Groundhog Day has got to still be number one.

Speaker 2 Phil? Can I tell you? Phil knows Ned. Ned the head? Yes, the bounce.

Speaker 4 My friend's wedding, who I sat next to, that friend is like the first person I ever podcasted with, David Chen.

Speaker 4 And the first time I ever talked to him on the phone, he called me and he's like, oh, wait, hold on. I have someone on the other line.
And he's like, oh, I'm going to pass them through.

Speaker 4 And it was Stephen Tobolowski. And basically he

Speaker 4 had Stephen, I've never called him on this, but I'm pretty sure he had, he got Stephen Tobolowski on the line to like impress me so that I would do a podcast with him. Wow.

Speaker 2 It was really, really fun. And it worked.
It did work.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And then we wound up at his wedding.

Speaker 2 Phil?

Speaker 3 Got the shingles real bad senior year.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Phil

Speaker 2 told me not to.

Speaker 1 Was he first ballot hall of fame for that guy? He's got to be, right?

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 5 I also think he doesn't. His name is hard to remember, which I think factors into the that guy rankings.
If he had a really cool, memorable name that was easy to remember.

Speaker 2 Do you think Tobolowski's the cool?

Speaker 1 I got to say, I forgot his name again. Of course.
And we've done this is one, two, three rewatches.

Speaker 5 If his name was like Mac Jones, you would never forget that.

Speaker 4 But Steven Tobolowski, I think you should rename this the Stephen Tobolowski Best That Guy Award.

Speaker 1 Well, it's already named after Joe Pennylash.

Speaker 2 But I think you should.

Speaker 4 You should put Tobo on there.

Speaker 4 Donald Logue is also in this movie.

Speaker 2 He's telling me everybody's telling me to fuck myself.

Speaker 2 Nobody beats Joey Pants.

Speaker 4 I also do think that Eddie Jones, who's also in a league of their own

Speaker 4 and the Grifters and Rocketeers.

Speaker 1 He's a good, so that's a really good that guy because I didn't even know what that guy's name was. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 DM Waiters, James Earl Jones. Can we just move on?

Speaker 4 But I would, no, but also, Amy Benedict is Mary.

Speaker 2 I think, I think that's like a good.

Speaker 3 Shout out to Mary. I love her.
Yeah, Mary.

Speaker 2 We love Mary.

Speaker 3 She has had had a couple of girls like stone cold at WrestleMania, just kicking ass and clearing.

Speaker 4 Also, fun fact, she gives him a 415 number, which is a real Bay Area area code. And for a while, that you could call that number and you got a they owned it, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you got a little like message of like, those are the things that we should do that for.

Speaker 2 I agree. I agree.
I love it.

Speaker 1 Kyle and I do our action movie. We're going to do a real phone number.
I love a phone number. Yeah, we'll just buy the phone number and then we're going to be like an actual people could call it.

Speaker 1 Recasting couch, we already did it. Unless there's another recasting.

Speaker 2 No, I'm good. All right.

Speaker 1 Craig, you have a flex category.

Speaker 3 Come on, Craig.

Speaker 5 I'm going positive, which might surprise you. I'm doing Den of Thieves Scene Stealing Location.
I think San Francisco, the area

Speaker 5 is the best movie location.

Speaker 2 Hell yeah. Straight up.

Speaker 5 I think it's the most diverse.

Speaker 5 You have water, you have skyscrapers, the streets, the hills,

Speaker 5 the bridges. I feel like you can kind of determine.
And I think the first hour of this movie is a little slow.

Speaker 5 And I honestly think it picks up the second they go outside and you start to see the bridge and you kind of realize you're in San Francisco, it super picks up. You know, Vertigo, uh, Mrs.

Speaker 5 Doubtfire, Big Trouble in Little China, there's so many great San Francisco movies that I think it's the you can you can do the most with San Francisco compared to like New York, Chicago, or LA.

Speaker 4 That's a good take, you know, I really agree as someone from the Bay Area.

Speaker 2 Thank you, thank you so much. But like,

Speaker 4 no, but also, I think The Rock, another good movie. This is such a good Bay Area, like, as I said, Bay Area movie.
They didn't film they the tunnel scene where

Speaker 4 they kill the Russian guy, Greg, did not, was not filmed in the rainbow tunnel, but it might as well be.

Speaker 4 Like you feel like you're in the Bay Area when you want, there's enough external shots, you get a cable car, you get all the things that you need to do.

Speaker 5 I just think you can do the most with it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a great take.

Speaker 1 You know, it bums me out because San Francisco versus Boston, there's been a little rivalry about what's a cooler city to go visit, live in, all that. you know, very similar.

Speaker 1 They're bookends to each other. And San Francisco has always translated way better in movies.
And I just got, I got to hand it to him.

Speaker 4 There's more distinct landscape.

Speaker 1 Even like random movies, like So I Married an Axe Murderer. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Basic instinct, like movies that, especially when we do like the drive, whether you can see the water and we've got like the weird cliffs and stuff.

Speaker 4 And then go up to Wine Country at some point. The car, Mike Myers drives the same, that same orange car and So I Married an Axe Murderer.

Speaker 4 I feel like it was just like a San Francisco car they had around.

Speaker 3 Hey, did you also hear Robert Redford wears the same leather jacket in two movies?

Speaker 2 Same exact one.

Speaker 2 Identical?

Speaker 2 i'm with you on san francisco good one craig half-past earned research um

Speaker 1 so they pranked red they pranked robinson they had a visit from the office of naval intelligence who was trying to get into change of script because it was divulging too much stuff and it turned out it was a prank and he was like freaked out about it and got a lawyer and then it was probably like redford because it was pranked

Speaker 1 redford loved pranks it was big prank yeah like clooney same thing uh the character there's a lot of stuff about the characters based on people who were famous.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Captain Crunch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can Google that if you want, but there's.

Speaker 4 Well, here's what I'll say about the phone freakers, the like, the inspirations for all these guys.

Speaker 1 The character names, all that stuff.

Speaker 4 Something to

Speaker 4 contextualize it is that like. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were phone freakers.
Like they started by selling these like blue boxes, which you could use.

Speaker 4 There's like a shot at Ma Bella in this movie, right? You got to take money from Ma Bell, right?

Speaker 4 Like, so they founded like the Apple Fortune starts with these two guys illegally defrauding the phone company. And that's like a Silicon Valley dream origin story.

Speaker 4 And that's the kind of guys that this is, this is dealing with.

Speaker 1 I never knew about that Captain Crunch whistle thing as like you could hack into phone calls and stuff.

Speaker 3 I didn't either. I just, is that like one of those things like Paul from Wonder Years is Marilyn Manson? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Very strange. I mean, that's real.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So So the professor they used

Speaker 1 to help

Speaker 1 them with like the consulting, Professor Len Adelman,

Speaker 1 one of the three mathicians who invented the RSA crypto system.

Speaker 4 The A and R S A.

Speaker 1 Much later.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They had kind of a dream team of people helping them out with this.

Speaker 4 So he wrote all the Yannick lecture notes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 and his and what he says there which is like actual real math i guess but did you see the fact that that the reason they got Len Alderman to do this is he wanted his wife to be able to meet Robert Redford?

Speaker 4 And it reminded me of, I don't, I don't remember if you guys said this on the Tin Cup rewatchables, but it reminds me of the story of like how they got all the golf, the actual golf guys in Tin Cup is that they just trotted Costner and Don Johnson around to all of their wives.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, that is true.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 So this is what like they were like, uh, your wife could meet Robert Redford if you do this favor for us.

Speaker 2 It's great. It's a great trick to have.

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Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 It's probably not for River Phoenix, but what is River Phoenix's Apex Mountain?

Speaker 2 Stand by Me or My Own Private Idaho. or Idaho.
Running on NSA.

Speaker 1 Sydney Poitier in in a way 1967 great in the movie though absolutely killing it it was actually one of the best apex mountaineers anyone ever had 67.

Speaker 1 yeah won the oscar he's like two of the biggest movies like he was just killing it yeah crushing it acknowledged now

Speaker 1 weird ben kingsley performances um

Speaker 2 that's species i still think species right he's fucking nuts in species but that movie is he tries to lock madson and mark elgeberger in the glass case keep them in there Murder them.

Speaker 3 This movie's about guys who sneak around in a banks. That movie is about a woman's tongue goes through the back of somebody's head.
Like, it's going to be that.

Speaker 4 I saw that on HBO way too young, and I just, it changed me forever.

Speaker 1 One of the classics. Walking one inch per hour to evade security sensors just has to be it, right?

Speaker 2 For sure. And yes.
Scravel tiles.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The name Cosmo in a piece of pop culture, I'm going to still say Seinfeld.
Got to be Seinfeld. Although there was a Cosmo renaissance here in the early 90s.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Geese sounding like a cocktail party.

Speaker 2 They stole that from parallel.

Speaker 4 That's in a different movie as well. They took that from a different movie.

Speaker 2 Okay. But I love it.

Speaker 4 I did not write it down. Mary McDonald

Speaker 4 half as internet research for you. But would you watch it? Would you do a double feature of geese sounding like cocktail party?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I need to be covered on all things secrets.

Speaker 2 So yes, absolutely. I'll text it to you later.
All right, please.

Speaker 1 Mary McDonald characters being seduced by old flames.

Speaker 1 Probably this over blue chips. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mary McDonald now. It stands with wolves.
How about Braille Playboy?

Speaker 2 Seen Braille Playboy?

Speaker 2 Awesome.

Speaker 1 In a movie before? That's kind of.

Speaker 3 That's how we were back then, Bill. I would have looked at a Braille Playboy just to get my hands on him.
I don't even know what it means.

Speaker 2 Whoa, this is great.

Speaker 3 This feels like one.

Speaker 1 And then Helium Voice jokes. The answer is no, but this movie reminded me how much Helium voice humor is just going to get me every time.

Speaker 4 Key to the 90s.

Speaker 1 What is it about Helium Voices?

Speaker 3 It's like the whoopee cushion of performance art.

Speaker 2 It's just the stupidest, dumbest gag because it's always funny.

Speaker 1 Craig, it still plays in 2025. 100%.

Speaker 5 I've done it many times. That's eternal.

Speaker 2 It's fun to do.

Speaker 2 Transcends generation. I don't know.
How bad is it for you?

Speaker 1 I think it's horrible.

Speaker 2 Is it terrible? Or is it? I think that's what Kanye was doing.

Speaker 2 Craig, how often are you doing it?

Speaker 5 It's a mini-whip it. I probably did it five times in my life.

Speaker 2 I think you'll be okay.

Speaker 1 This is what happened to Kanye.

Speaker 2 Too many helium holidays.

Speaker 2 Too many helium hits. Cruise or Hanks.
This is Hanks.

Speaker 3 It's a perfect Hanks role. Although, I think it'd be funny if Cruz was in it and had to do the slow walk because he's known for running.

Speaker 3 But I think it would be Cosmo would have to re-engineer his office that if you walk slower than 20 miles an hour, you're dead. So that's the only way Cruz does it.

Speaker 1 It's clearly Hanks. In 92,

Speaker 1 I think actually Hanks could have done it and played older. But

Speaker 1 can I just throw out older Cruise, make maybe 2005 range Cruise as Cosmo?

Speaker 4 As Cosmo.

Speaker 2 As Cosmo.

Speaker 4 Does he have the Magnolia ponytail?

Speaker 1 He's got a weird hairdo.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's got vanilla sky kind of energy.

Speaker 4 Okay, vanilla sky energy plus magnolia.

Speaker 2 He's running is way better than

Speaker 2 his hair. No accent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's got TJ Mackey hair. Yeah.
He's way more angry about getting ditched during the pizza and way a little almost like

Speaker 3 it's about the information.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I could take it. Shame the box.

Speaker 2 All right, we'll go with Hanks.

Speaker 1 Scorsese or Spielberg? Clearly Spielberg.

Speaker 1 This is very Spielberg-y.

Speaker 3 I think if it's Scorsese, you got De Niro as Bish and you got Pesci as Cosmo, and it's just a whole different movie. It's like, I fucking told you, pepperoni pizza.

Speaker 2 You hit me fuck that. And it's just.

Speaker 1 They're definitely a cocaine in the uh yeah, in union college rolling stones and all that shit. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? Clearly, Ackroyd's part.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 4 River Phoenix's role. Well, but you can have Hoffman, I know, but but remember in like early Hoffman when he was doing like in Twister, like he's doing kind of these like doofy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're right,

Speaker 2 yeah, she's right, yeah, Dusty from Twister

Speaker 1 picking knits that we haven't done.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 2 Uh-oh.

Speaker 4 Given that River Phoenix gets to the office through the vents in the ceiling, did they need the Warner Brandis voice passport

Speaker 2 at all?

Speaker 3 Like maybe Vish could have just done what Carl did.

Speaker 4 I mean, he's 56, so I don't know if he could have, but he could have, someone could have on the team called through the vents.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 I have a picking knit off that picking knit. Okay.

Speaker 1 Only in movies are these ceiling vents this easy to just crawl around in. In real life, this would be the seventh circle of hell.

Speaker 2 There would be rodent poop and just all kinds of awful stuff.

Speaker 1 It'd be pitch black. There'd be just nothing good about being in a ceiling.
And in movies, they make it just seem like you can move around. Like it's...

Speaker 3 like a fun main mission impossible one a rat shows up in the ceiling vent that he's in yeah but i also think the entry points i don't know about you guys anytime i'm in an elevator or like a public bathroom i always always look at the vents to see if I needed to crawl out if I could.

Speaker 3 They're like eight inches by eight inches. They're tiny.

Speaker 2 I always do that. Every elevator?

Speaker 2 You do vent checks?

Speaker 4 You check your escape roots.

Speaker 3 Could I McLean this thing if I had to?

Speaker 2 I might start doing that. I love that.

Speaker 1 At least you're not doing it hoping the sounds of the lamb's cop isn't bleeding to death over the old man.

Speaker 4 What's Apex Mountain for ceiling vent climbing? And is it the scene in Jurassic Park when Lex falls to the ceiling and it's clearly her stunt double.

Speaker 4 And she looks up, and they've like CGI replaced her face with the little girl's face.

Speaker 4 But she's got the guns of a maddening family.

Speaker 2 Ceiling Bent falls all time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, I mean, I just think Ceiling Bent, I think, just come out to the coast. Yeah, have you got a little bit of a live? Have a few less.

Speaker 2 I think it's got to be that. McLean.
Oh, McGovern.

Speaker 2 Fair.

Speaker 1 Marty never tried to find Cosmo ever. Never tried to make sure he was dead.
Just never

Speaker 1 gave it up. Oh, he must be dead in prison.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 4 If you heard somebody died in prison, would your

Speaker 4 first thought be maybe he didn't?

Speaker 1 Was he friends with Cosmo's parents? Did he check in?

Speaker 4 No, he's underground. He's on the run.

Speaker 1 Cosmo's accent, we discussed.

Speaker 4 Disaster.

Speaker 1 Why did Cosmo?

Speaker 1 Why did he want the black box this badly?

Speaker 4 Because the government can't have it.

Speaker 4 If the government has it,

Speaker 4 then he can't do what he wants to do, which is

Speaker 4 steal everyone's money, question mark. What's his plan?

Speaker 1 That's my thing.

Speaker 4 That's where I'm getting. What's his plan?

Speaker 1 What's his plan?

Speaker 2 Just to disrupt?

Speaker 1 Or did he want to be rich? Because then he says, I don't want anyone to be rich.

Speaker 3 I think he just wants to take the money and distribute it evenly among everybody, which is insane.

Speaker 2 It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 But so he's, so he's, so he cares about all people, but is also threatening people and shooting them and telling people to be murdered?

Speaker 4 You can't say, I want a, you know, socialist communist utopia and have many sharks in a tank in your office.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You can't wear loafers that are.
I don't understand the character at all. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's evil, but he's not evil, but he's thinking about everybody else, but then he's burdering his best friend. What's going on with Cosmo?

Speaker 3 What he should do is spend the money on a treadmill and a trainer so he can learn how to run. Right.
But that's

Speaker 1 loafers that have better grip.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Let's get him some. He's the scuff up the bottoms of those loafers.

Speaker 1 My last last picking it is: Redford and Mary McDonald have the exact same haircut, and it's disorienting.

Speaker 4 If you're really studying it, it's very feathered. It's the exact same.
It's very feathered.

Speaker 1 In fact, they could have switched hair during the movie, and you wouldn't have even noticed.

Speaker 3 This is two years after Demi Moore's haircut and ghost, and it was showing up everywhere. It was a very, very hot haircut.
It's very flowy.

Speaker 4 I've seen it.

Speaker 3 It was in vogue. I'm not surprised that it shows up in this movie.

Speaker 3 I have a, it's really, really annoying to me that after they pulled off the heist of the century, that Mary McDonnell does the Deshaun Jackson at the one-yard line and does her stupid line about the computer dating and blows the whole fucking thing.

Speaker 3 It drives me nuts that she even says that and then

Speaker 3 figures it out immediately. She blows it completely.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you already won. Yeah, it is like the holding the ball at the half inch line.

Speaker 3 So Di Mercado on the Cardinals just did it against the Titans. It's very hot right now.

Speaker 4 I don't know because...

Speaker 1 Just keep your mouth shut and get out of the office thank you

Speaker 4 she's playing this whole role the whole time which is like the only way she gets out of this is to act so annoyed and discredit tobolowski's character right she's like werner like she's pulling this whole attitude so it's like part of her that was

Speaker 3 talker was her walk offline get in the end zone yeah the other thing i have is wildly different it really bothers me in the last scene than when when sydney poidier He's a, you will buy us two first class tickets all over Europe and Tahiti.

Speaker 3 He doesn't mention anything about hotel or accommodations. Where are they going to stay in those places? That's very expensive.
If he goes to Tahiti, it's all about the over-the-water bungalows.

Speaker 3 All he says is airfare. And that's always bothered me.
What about the

Speaker 4 all expense paid?

Speaker 2 That's what he needs to do. He needs to say that.
All expenses. He doesn't say that.
All paid. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like a week later, James Earl Jones's side kick is calling him. Hey, just following up on the trip.

Speaker 2 Good question. How does that happen? Yeah.
Also, they're hack. Well, whatever.
They're hackers with a moral code, I guess.

Speaker 4 But I learned in war games that you you could just hack your way into a flight anywhere and it's not a problem.

Speaker 1 Any other nitpicks or connection?

Speaker 2 I'm good.

Speaker 1 Sequel, prequel, prestige TV all blackcaster, untouchable.

Speaker 1 I rarely do the sequel answer for this.

Speaker 3 We could get more.

Speaker 1 Not against it. Sneakers 2.

Speaker 2 We can get more.

Speaker 1 2027.

Speaker 4 But Redford's gone and Poitier's gone and Phoenix is gone.

Speaker 1 Somebody's kid.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah.
It's like heat. They just make him a younger guy or actor.

Speaker 2 Yeah. We'll rock.
Should we get Ben Kingsley back, though?

Speaker 4 Sir, Ben Kingsley.

Speaker 2 maybe he finds another shot

Speaker 2 exit

Speaker 1 yeah sneakers too

Speaker 1 um i mean i wouldn't would you here's the thing sneakers 2 is out they've made a trailer for it you're not clicking on the sneakers 2 trailer to see what's going on how do you feel about heat 2

Speaker 4 not ready to answer question okay oh bill that's how i feel uh what about a crease prequel how crease got kicked out of the of the CIA?

Speaker 2 That's all great. Yes.

Speaker 3 The answers to this are all right, except if they made Sneakers 2, they're so bad at making titles, they'd call it like Sneakers 2, Sneakier.

Speaker 2 And be like, oh, fuck off with it. Sneaky.
Don't sneak in.

Speaker 1 Or Sneakier. Yeah, you're right.
That's what it'd be called.

Speaker 1 Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bills, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainville, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley

Speaker 1 in the firm.

Speaker 1 Kyle, I know you have something cooking.

Speaker 3 Bet your ass I do, Bill. And I go, none of the above.

Speaker 3 But if we go to that surveillance truck outside of the fortress at the end, and I see all those monitors, I know for a fact that Scott Hanson is standing in there just watching the action.

Speaker 3 We go to Playtronics, the future of toys.

Speaker 2 Let's start on Cosmo Cam.

Speaker 3 Preposterous ponytail, nonsensical rhetoric.

Speaker 5 Give me the Carl Cam.

Speaker 3 Carl started his own private inferno at 98.6 degrees, but let's go to the Bish Cam. Next gen stats, one inch per second.
Let's go to Roof Cam, guys. Can we go?

Speaker 3 Can we, can we go to, can we go to the roof cam? Yes. The roof cam, where answering machines become boxes and boxes become answering machines.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 The best part of this is,

Speaker 1 does Joanna know what that was?

Speaker 2 Great question.

Speaker 4 No, but I loved it. Also, you got increasingly flushed as you went.

Speaker 1 And I was just like... Former actor.

Speaker 2 Well, I know. Scott does it for seven hours.

Speaker 3 I did it for 30 seconds.

Speaker 2 That's incredible.

Speaker 1 So he was, that was Scott Hanson from the red zone on Sundays with NFL.

Speaker 2 Thanks for splitting. Eight games at once.

Speaker 1 And Scott like maniacally takes you from game to game.

Speaker 2 Let's let's go to Arizona.

Speaker 1 So that was that.

Speaker 2 Thanks for that, Phil. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I'd like to explain NFL and Sopranos to you.

Speaker 4 I like, I like when you make you feel included.

Speaker 2 Things a lot.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 1 speaking of Kyle's acting, I just want to get this out.

Speaker 1 I don't know why you weren't in Chad Powers.

Speaker 2 You're right there.

Speaker 1 You work for the NFL technically.

Speaker 2 I work for football.

Speaker 1 You acted.

Speaker 1 It's a college football show where the actors can be older because they're at like a division two thing. I don't know why you weren't the running back.

Speaker 1 I don't know why you weren't the wide receiver coach.

Speaker 1 Just as your friend, on your behalf, I was insulted.

Speaker 2 Bill, thank you.

Speaker 1 You're right there.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Do we have the TikTok cam going on this? Send this to Eli and Peyton, who have been very nice to me.
I would have been ready to do it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You're right there.

Speaker 1 How many actors slash former football players slash in the nfl universe are there at this point season two and you know who else was right there craig longtime football player moved out here in law way to act chad power season two

Speaker 1 should we call michael waldron get you and chad power season two i would love that but you know the the glenn powell project i want to be in more is the running man so i can play dynamo and sing opera i'm into that you know thank you though bill as i was appalled that they were remaking the running man i obviously even love glenn powell saw the trailer you're in in the movie theater You're in.

Speaker 4 All in. You're in.
All in.

Speaker 2 Let's go.

Speaker 1 They reinvented it. It's different than the movie.

Speaker 1 I'm okay. We're okay with this, right?

Speaker 3 Hell yes, we are.

Speaker 3 I'm in.

Speaker 1 Just one ask her who gets it. It's got to be the score, right? James Horner.

Speaker 2 Yeah. The score for one asker.

Speaker 3 I thought I was going to give it to Mary McDonald for doing multiple scenes, pretending she's not attracted to our guy, Redford, but that's tough lifting.

Speaker 2 But yeah, Horner, amazing. Okay.

Speaker 1 Probably unanswerable questions.

Speaker 1 So, as it turns out, over the next 33 years, the NSA figured out how to spy on us anyway, Joanna.

Speaker 2 Does that ruin the movie?

Speaker 1 These guys saved us from the NSA. Oh, no, they didn't.
They're probably listening right now. They have cameras on us.

Speaker 4 They're definitely listening right now. Yeah.
And that's who you hear breathing on the other new phone line, right?

Speaker 1 So sneakers won, but they didn't really win because they lost.

Speaker 2 That's right. We all lost.

Speaker 1 Because we're all being surveilled at all times.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably unanswerable questions.

Speaker 2 Is this officially a San francisco movie for you yeah it's a level one san francisco movie absolutely top tier for me wow craig just rolled his eyes but yes no no level two for you craig i'm thinking about how much san francisco is in the movie that is identifiable as san francisco i wish there was a little bit more but yeah

Speaker 2 my favorite movie ever san francisco movie this one which is what 48 hours oh yeah the movie i've seen the most times

Speaker 2 I was like, I don't remember all the pieces of San Francisco.

Speaker 4 What's your favorite San Francisco part of 48 Hours?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's wide shots of when he's driving to the bridge to go see Reggie in jail. There's the Chinatowns, multiple Chinatown scenes.
And we're using everything. We get the car chase.

Speaker 1 We could go up and down hills. Amazing stuff.

Speaker 4 Have you ever seen the track of the bullet car chase in San Francisco?

Speaker 4 Have you ever seen the fact that like someone tracked where it takes place in San Francisco and basically like he's down in Pac Heights and then he's over in Sutro and he's just like he's going downhill for too long?

Speaker 4 No, he just like leaps over nine different subsequent places. Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 They're filming Bullet in like the early 70s. They have no idea.
The internet's coming and we'll be able to just dissect everything.

Speaker 4 It's really funny.

Speaker 5 Has Pac Bell Park ever been in a movie?

Speaker 2 Have they ever gone to the Giants game in a movie? Great Park. I feel like that would be a good thing.
Did they do it in the fan?

Speaker 1 The fan? He's on the Giants? No, that was still a candlestick.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I don't even know if they shot in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 Boston had a great fuck-up for what you just talked about. Blown away.
Oh, yeah. Tommy Lee Jones and Jeff Bridges.

Speaker 1 The final car chase. They're just going downhill and Beacon Hill.
Yeah. Which really, it's maybe two and a half blocks max.
You can go down it. They're going downhill for like five minutes.

Speaker 2 It's like just careening downhill. It's like this never-ending mountain.

Speaker 1 And then they end up in Boston Common.

Speaker 2 Anyway,

Speaker 1 I have an unanswerable that's going to break both of your brains. So unless you guys have anything.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 3 I have one like that too, but Bill, let's hear yours. No, you go, you go.

Speaker 1 I'll go last. Well, mine is simple.

Speaker 3 It's

Speaker 3 Mary mcdonald says she doesn't want anything from james earl jones it's like what would you ask for like you can do anything at all if whether either now or 1992 it's literally it's like a a genie he's saying you can have anything you want what would you ask for

Speaker 4 but don't you like her delivery of oh i'm fine like it's a great delivery it's a great delivery conscionable response okay hairstylist what would you what would you ask for pal

Speaker 3 what would you what would you ask james earl jones for i uh well in 1992 i would probably be like hey uh it's 92 can and can you make sure that Michael Jordan doesn't retire to play baseball because I think they can win eight in a row I think they can beat the rockets twice in the final so can you handle that please so not a Winnebago no

Speaker 1 here's what I would ask for have you heard about like these people who get access to movies when they come out and they're it's like some secret society if you get the actual cut of the movie and you just be like the PTA movie came out come over my house I have

Speaker 1 this direct signal you're not that guy no I don't think anyone's that guy I I don't even know anyone who has that. It's this rumored thing that I don't even know if it, does it exist?

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 5 People are showing screenings of movies before they come out?

Speaker 1 You pay like this crazy amount of money, but it's also, it almost sounds like joining some sort of club.

Speaker 5 Is it a money thing or is it a connections thing? I think it's both.

Speaker 4 It's a status in the industry thing.

Speaker 1 But I think it's only like you have to be like the head of a film studio.

Speaker 1 No, I think you have to be like the head of a film studio.

Speaker 2 And you get it digitally or are you that guy? Like, I'm a visual.

Speaker 1 No, you get like they, I think they actually bring the movie over like the canister and they screen it and then they leave and then you kind of host it a private screen I host the thing I'm like hey I have the PTA thing that sounds like the last level of being a movie executive

Speaker 1 come on over I got the new PTA I've got the new Chalaman you would already have

Speaker 2 Kyle come out I got running man I went to a screening like that once yeah it's awesome it's unbelievable all right here's my unanswerable

Speaker 1 You guys aren't gonna be,

Speaker 1 I almost don't, I almost want to take a break, but I won't because this is a really big No, let's do it.

Speaker 3 Come on, hit us. Let's go.

Speaker 2 I don't need a break.

Speaker 4 I already asked if Sir Ben Kingsley should give his knighthood back. So hit me.

Speaker 1 I did 40 minutes of Googling on this and studied photos. Let's go.
And watched a bunch of different movies.

Speaker 1 Did Robert Redford wear a wig?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 4 no, but he dyed his hair.

Speaker 4 All right. You think it's a wig?

Speaker 3 The young Redford character absolutely has a wig on. That's what goes without a doubt.
Oh, sure. But there are certain parts where it does feel a little heavy on the side.

Speaker 3 And I'm saying it's not outlandish to ask.

Speaker 4 I don't think this is a wig.

Speaker 1 He had the most full head of hair of any actor who ever lived.

Speaker 1 Even to the bitter end,

Speaker 1 it is a full fucking head of hair at all times.

Speaker 2 Well, I think the problem is that he kept dying at ginger.

Speaker 4 And that's, that's why it looked unreal.

Speaker 2 You look at the 70s, it's like perfect.

Speaker 1 Like I was like, Jeremiah Johnson did last year, just perfect swoop.

Speaker 4 Yeah, swoop.

Speaker 1 It never goes back on either side. It's always like full and lush.
It's and then it's blonde in the 60s, and then it becomes redder later. Shit.

Speaker 2 So, Bill, you're not just saying he wear wiggle sneakers.

Speaker 3 You're talking about for like the whole run, did he wear a wig?

Speaker 4 And you're saying, like, in his day-to-day life.

Speaker 1 I'm saying, like, for from the 70s on, was that his hair?

Speaker 4 Like, opening day at Sundance, he's got a wig on. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 1 But, like, a styled wig where we would never know. Yeah, like, because he's Robert Rudford.

Speaker 1 Like, a real transport. I don't know.
It's unanswerable to me. I don't know if anyone has theories.

Speaker 3 Are there Robert Rudford wig truthers out there? Like, is there anything out there?

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I did find some stuff.

Speaker 4 What do the people have to say?

Speaker 1 There were some questions.

Speaker 4 I love wigs.

Speaker 1 In the 2014 range, there are some questions because he had the dark

Speaker 1 red, like darker cherry red on the top, whatever brownish red.

Speaker 1 But then the gray sideburns here. And some people are saying maybe the hair.

Speaker 4 I think, oh, you think it's a red, a red?

Speaker 2 The wig went over the thing, but it didn't do it well enough with the white.

Speaker 4 I think it's a dying issue, but i will take a closer look

Speaker 4 all unanswered my eyes to a possibility

Speaker 1 unanswerable either wore a wig the whole time or best head of hair ever in the history of movies for any of these

Speaker 5 the case for your argument is there are like name another old person with his hair

Speaker 1 you can't it's one of those things like if like you're it's like uncle uncle bob's coming over he's a one-of-one oh my god is he gonna wear one of his wigs like why does he think he he's full head hair is 82 this is is crazy.

Speaker 4 I think the red was the problem, but I'll have to take a closer look.

Speaker 3 He also preempts a lot of the like highly technical hair implants and stuff. Like McConaughey talks about how he got his stuff done.

Speaker 3 Like, they weren't doing that in the 70s that you're talking about, 60s even.

Speaker 2 Turkish hairline? Fascinating.

Speaker 1 This is one of my, this would be like,

Speaker 1 we always play the game of worst podcast you could have that you'd actually be good at hosting.

Speaker 2 Mine would be just every episode about whether somebody wore a wig or a toupee. Yes.
Bill, don't.

Speaker 4 the steve martin episode would be like two and a half hours like don't threaten me with a good time that would make i would love that so much we're in a video podcast age we could put up that's great visual

Speaker 4 you know like do a full month on nicole kidman

Speaker 2 oh yeah and then oh i didn't i'm not good at the i'm not good at lady wigs lady wigs sounds like you need a female co-host that's what i can wait no i can do an only male wig based pod i'm bad with the the female wigs i can't spot can we do a tupes and the wigs I can spot?

Speaker 5 And then can we do a spin-off pod with me and Liz? And it's identifying when an actor got fillers.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 5 Because we just spend all day being like,

Speaker 5 when did Emily Blunt get it?

Speaker 1 That's a really good one, too. Oh, Emily Blunt.

Speaker 4 It's a lot.

Speaker 1 Great stuff.

Speaker 1 This is why people come to the rewatchables for the important conversations.

Speaker 3 Male wig only, and you're just outing male celebrities who have wigs.

Speaker 2 It's not outing. It's a discussion.

Speaker 1 It is outing. No, because sometimes the answer is that's their hair.

Speaker 4 My favorite Marvel fact is that Steve Rogers has like a little, like, they put a little wiglet on Chris, just like blonded him up right in the front, made it nice and full.

Speaker 2 Wiglet. I like it.
Wiglet.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's like a little piece that you put on top.

Speaker 1 The Denzel episode would be long.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I actually think this is a great idea. We should do it.

Speaker 3 Coming up. Coming up.
I'm the Wiggest loser.

Speaker 2 Me and CR talk about Vigo Mortensen.

Speaker 2 Wiglet?

Speaker 4 Yeah, Wiglet. you, do you want CR on this pod?

Speaker 1 I'll say, I mean, CR.

Speaker 1 We've had many conversations over the years.

Speaker 2 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 There's been, like, there's some good ones where there's some, it would be shorter pods, like a McConaughey,

Speaker 1 John Q Sachs, another one where it's like, come on, dude, we have all your films in the 80s style.

Speaker 4 Here's the number one. I loved, this is one of my favorite things to do is when I think someone has gotten a transplant, I go and I'm like, look at where the hairline was for Harry Styles.

Speaker 4 Andrew Garfield's a huge one, right? Andrew Garfield got the hair done. It changed his entire career.
Turned his career right away.

Speaker 4 He was really receding, got a transplant, and then all of a sudden it's Andrew Garfield time again.

Speaker 1 I grew up in the 70s where like, Reynolds was open about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Reynolds was losing it.

Speaker 1 And then we're just wearing these crazy, like you, most of his movies, he has.

Speaker 4 I don't think it's a problem. Like, I think it's fine.
I don't think anyone should be embarrassed by it.

Speaker 2 It's like we're not pro.

Speaker 1 We're not con. It's just, it's just answering a question one way or the other.

Speaker 2 Women do things all the time. I'm

Speaker 1 Now I'm like a Kyle's constantly touching his hair.

Speaker 2 Kyle has gray hair. Yeah, Kyle has a hair.
Do you want me to take it off right now? I'll bring it on camera. I'll take it right off.
I'll do it right now. An unwigging.
No, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 All right. That was fun.

Speaker 1 That segment worked out better than I thought. Oh, it was awesome.
What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Redford's wig, not eligible, if he had one.

Speaker 1 The car, also not eligible.

Speaker 2 No, the car's not eligible. Okay.

Speaker 4 Is it interesting to say these are the Scrabble tiles they used in sneakers?

Speaker 1 I think it is.

Speaker 2 There's an easy answer. Sure.
No, it's a black play Scrabble with the answer machine? No.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But it's a sick 1992 Red Niners hat.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 yeah. That's a great answer.
Yes. That hat is awesome.
You wear two of them. Two of them.
You can wear them both.

Speaker 2 Great. Great call.
Good one.

Speaker 1 Coach Finn Stack award, best life lesson.

Speaker 1 Look at a stranger's shoes to determine how important the interaction is about to be. I love that.

Speaker 2 Really good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a subtle one in the beginning when those guys show up and Redford says to Phoenix, did you look at their shoes? He's like, yeah, they're nice.

Speaker 2 Expensive. Yeah.
Yeah, expensive.

Speaker 3 That's much better.

Speaker 3 I had written down, give him head whenever he asked.

Speaker 2 So I like your spending rest.

Speaker 4 She a beacon.

Speaker 1 Best double feature choice. We went war games.

Speaker 2 War games.

Speaker 1 Would you go, Kyle?

Speaker 3 I'm also going with games. I'm going with Patriot games, Tom Clancy, Harrison Ford, and Robert Redford in one day.

Speaker 2 Technology, spying, and stuff.

Speaker 3 I'm way into it.

Speaker 1 And Redford wins the movie.

Speaker 4 Redford wins the movie.

Speaker 3 Okay. Can't take your eyes off him.

Speaker 2 All right. Buckle up, Kyle.

Speaker 1 Buckle up, Joanna. We're going to producer Craig.

Speaker 5 I don't want to disappoint you all. I didn't hate this movie by any means, of course.
I just think, I think spy movies got really good. And when I was growing up, I had like Ocean's 11.

Speaker 5 You know what I mean? Ocean's 11 was only nine years after this movie. It feels like 25.
Like when you're watching this in Ocean's 11, you're like, we really

Speaker 5 improved over those nine years so i i'm not holding anything against it look bob koozy was good in the 50s could he play now no

Speaker 4 you can't cross genres you can't cross eras i mean you know it's so to me that's a i respect your like this is fine and i've seen the movies that come after it that make it feel whatever no i'm not i'm not i i love crank um

Speaker 4 but you're arguing that don't trigger me but you're arguing that

Speaker 5 if it happened before it's not interesting i just think that this it's i think it's hard for spy movies in this era. It's tough.
It's like so early on in the tech era and like what you're kidding me.

Speaker 1 I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 Tech-wise, I did.

Speaker 5 It just improved so quickly.

Speaker 1 Like immediately, we just enemy of the state is the flipping point. Sure.

Speaker 1 Because that movie, even though it's ridiculous, we already did the rewatchables, but the tech's good in that movie and like feels more like now, even though it's almost 30 years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This feels like it's from 1920.

Speaker 2 I see what you're saying.

Speaker 5 I think, I think the casting's a little wonky too. You know, this movie kind of feels like, to me, like like the fourth installment in the sneakers franchise when everyone is a little too old.

Speaker 5 And you're like, oh, it's Redford hanging on. And Ackroyd kind of doesn't look like the Ackroyd I remember.

Speaker 2 Start crying.

Speaker 5 And, but, you know, it's like, oh, did they need to make the fourth one? It's still good, but it's the fourth one.

Speaker 2 I like it, Craig, because I love that everyone's forced to respond to this and be like, no, no, yeah. No, I am.

Speaker 3 Because in Ocean's 11 and then also like in the Italian job,

Speaker 3 all these beautiful people and these amazing cars robbing casinos. These are real people here.
Strathair and Ackroyd. It's like they're much more relatable and it's much more touchy-feely.

Speaker 3 That's just how I feel.

Speaker 2 And straight heart. And

Speaker 2 I just,

Speaker 5 I'm like, Redford feels a little too good for this movie to me.

Speaker 2 Beneath him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that's why it works, though. Yeah.
It's like he's kind of overqualified to be in it.

Speaker 5 I'm like, River Phoenix has nothing to do. Ackroyd feels weirdly cat.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's like having Roger Ebert back.

Speaker 5 It just just feels a little wonky. I think two and a half stars out of four from Raj is perfectly fine.

Speaker 2 It's not a one out of four.

Speaker 1 It's a two and a half. I would have gone three.

Speaker 4 I can agree with you on the tech. Like it's hard to watch chunky 90s tech in any of these like cyber movies.
The casting, we have to just deeply disagree on. That's okay.

Speaker 5 I think it's hard. Me coming into this movie now.

Speaker 5 I feel confident that if you showed this movie to most people in their 20s and 30s, they would probably share my opinion. It doesn't mean it's a bad movie.

Speaker 3 Craig, didn't it bring the house down for you, the James Earl Jones Jones scene at the end?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. I went fisted up.

Speaker 2 I love that. I love James Earl Jones.
There's great parts of this movie.

Speaker 2 But, you know,

Speaker 1 I think those are all fair points from Craig.

Speaker 4 That's you would recast the movie?

Speaker 1 No, the Kingsley part is tough. Yeah, you would recast Kingsley.
And I think Redford's too old to be in the movie, but I'm fine with it because it's rubber Redford.

Speaker 4 I think this movie, the fact that it has

Speaker 4 such a rock-solid movie.

Speaker 4 You know, you and Sean and Chris were talking on the Sting episode about, is redford a great actor and that's that's a question you were asking and that's a great question to ask during redford month but he is just a

Speaker 4 the movie star yeah

Speaker 4 and to have a movie star similar to oceans 11 when you've got like clooney and pitt at the center of it you know like a movie star here and then the rest of the team just like gels around him and he's the leader on the set and he's the leader of the team.

Speaker 4 And City Poitier is also too good for this movie. And that's kind of what I like.
Sir Ben Kingsley is in a way too good for this movie. And I kind of like that

Speaker 4 like he's Sir Ben Kingsley. And you're like, he's, he's in the last

Speaker 1 something for this to work with.

Speaker 2 20 minutes in sneakers.

Speaker 4 But like, I like it because it elevates the movie and it makes it something that we have to consider forever. It's in Sidney Poitier's filmography, so we have to consider it, you know?

Speaker 1 That's it for the sneakers rewatchables, which went over two hours.

Speaker 2 Same length as the movie.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Craig. Thanks to Chris for helping out as well.
Thanks to Ronic.

Speaker 2 Eduardo.

Speaker 1 Oh, and Eduardo.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Eduardo.

Speaker 1 Thanks to Joanna. Thank you.
Great to have you here in the studio. And as always, Kyle Brandt, next month, a more normal month on the Rewatchables, and we're overdue for

Speaker 1 something.

Speaker 2 If the people can see our text chains,

Speaker 3 the kind of stuff we're discussing, it's off the wall, and it's coming.

Speaker 5 Can you guys release your big board?

Speaker 2 I would love that. Yeah, too hot to handle.

Speaker 1 Should we for the, is it better or worse to release the big board?

Speaker 3 Is that good content to like

Speaker 3 my screen cap?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 The rewatchables Instagram would love the big board of what

Speaker 2 Bill are cooking up.

Speaker 3 I mean, my big board is organized by decade, too. I got 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2020s, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 How many

Speaker 1 months slash years have we been circling just one of the guys?

Speaker 3 Three or four years, probably.

Speaker 4 A top tier is playing on Comedy Central at three o'clock in the afternoon movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's one. That's one where if we did that with that van, it might be irreparable for me it might be like a joanna stinkers thing yeah uh thank you this is great thank you thank you

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