‘The Truman Show’ With Bill Simmons, Glen Powell, and Chris Ryan

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Speaker 1 It's nut crunching time for fantasy. You like when we have celebrities on the Rewatchables because it just throws their chains on in the hot tub for the podcast.
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Speaker 1 And I got to say, The Secret's Out, we have Glenn Powell. He set the bar pretty high for celebrities on the rewatchables.
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Speaker 1 It's good when the celebrity has listened to the podcast and knows the ringer, knows who we are. It's good when they suggest the movie and they really care that we did it.
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Speaker 1 I don't know. This was also a great movie that you'd actually seen, even though it came out in the 1990s.
Yeah, this is a classic. I've seen it many times.

Speaker 1 Glenn has seen it many times and you can tell based on his performance. People are upset that we don't do a lot of of Jim Carrey movies, but I've been saving it for Jim Carrey month

Speaker 1 and yet we just haven't done Jim Carrey month. So I can't wait for it.
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Speaker 1 All right. All right.
We've been talking about this pre-Top Gun Maverick. We have.
Because you said you like this podcast.

Speaker 1 We liked you.

Speaker 1 And we were like, we got to get Glenn Powell on CR. And then COVID, Top Gun Maverick, you started making movies left and right.
And it took five years, but now we're here.

Speaker 2 It was worth the wait.

Speaker 1 It's worth the wait.

Speaker 2 This is honestly like the perfect moment.

Speaker 2 I really like, there's a lot of comps between the Truman show and Running Man and just like the fact that I've gotten a lot, like I've had a long time to like watch y'all's podcast and watch you guys do what you do.

Speaker 2 It feels like we've earned it now.

Speaker 3 Are you a big rewatcher? Do you have like a stable of movies that you're pumped, like you kind of like cycle through over and over again?

Speaker 2 I love hosting movie nights at my house. So like everybody knows me to like, you know, cook some dinner for people and like host a movie night.

Speaker 1 Cook some dinner for people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Drink some dinner. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Making some briskets.

Speaker 2 Like yeah, just just, you know, I love man in a grill. So so what we'll do do is we'll just like, you know, have like a little, like a little theater thing in my house.

Speaker 2 And so what we do is we just like kind of, you know, choose a movie that a lot of people haven't seen, basically what you guys do here. And we talk about it afterwards.

Speaker 2 So like kind of the same debrief, we do like a rewatchables version. Nice.
And it's like, it's like, you know, sometimes it's like cool serious movies, but sometimes you're like.

Speaker 2 hey, let's watch three ninjas.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? And like, like, you know,

Speaker 1 this doesn't hold up. What was your rom-com that hit? Set it off?

Speaker 2 Set it up.

Speaker 1 Set it up. Yep.
What's set it off?

Speaker 1 I'm sure it's a network movie. That's a movie also.

Speaker 1 No, I remember when that hit. Yeah.
And we were all happy because it was like, and it was like right as Netflix was really emerging as a movie break. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it was like, oh, our guy, because we liked your friend, but he wants some. It's like, oh, it's happening.
And then you got Top Gun Maverick. Yeah.
Right after that. And it was.

Speaker 1 And Miles had, I remember I had Miles on my podcast around there too. And it's like, Top Gun Maverick is going to be huge.
Yeah. And how many months did it get delayed? Like 18?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was like, it was like almost two years. So yeah, it'd been 2020.
And we released summer 2022.

Speaker 1 So it's been a long time.

Speaker 3 We did like a trailer reaction in like 2019.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the old offices.

Speaker 2 Somebody asked me, they were like sitting there like, you know, like sometimes what iPhone like does like remember when throwback photos?

Speaker 2 I mean, that was like seven years ago we started shooting that movie.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. I've never seen a scenario like that where then it belatedly comes out and then it's huge.
It was great for you. It was great for Miles.
But we're going to talk about Truman Show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We asked you for a list. Yes.
You sent us a list of 10 movies. Yep.
They're all pretty good choices. We hadn't, we hadn't done any of them.

Speaker 3 By the way, we've already done running for somebody bigger than that.

Speaker 1 Right. Three ninjas.
Yeah. That'll be like the

Speaker 2 one no one saw coming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're doing that.

Speaker 1 But you said Truman Show was like one near the top or maybe the first one. And I was like, oh my God.
Yeah. That'd be amazing.
So why? What was that about Truman Show?

Speaker 2 You know, the Truman Show is, you know, for me, it's one of those that

Speaker 2 for being kind of like a really messed up premise, if you really like spend time thinking about it,

Speaker 2 It's a movie that has like so much joy for people. Like it was like that moment in the 90s.
I love 90s movies, but I just like think it was like a perfect role for Jim Carrey.

Speaker 2 There was like a wish fulfillment.

Speaker 2 I think like whenever I try to choose a movie, I always try to think about what the universal emotion is, like something we've all felt, but something that, you know, we're not tapping into.

Speaker 2 So it feels like there's a collective, a collective feeling around it.

Speaker 2 And I feel like we've all had that feeling of being manipulated, the idea that like being watched, like that, that same sort of feeling, I feel like it's, it's kind of built into humans. For sure.

Speaker 2 And, and what's so interesting, it's such an ambitious movie that's actually made in kind of like a way that doesn't feel like too sci-fi or like too,

Speaker 2 you know, too far in the future. Like it feels very much of this world, which makes it like a very kind of

Speaker 2 almost like, almost like a religious experience rather than a science fiction experience. It's like, it's a very interesting movie, but I find that everybody I show it to can talk about life.

Speaker 2 It's like one of my favorite things to do when I watch movies with people. It spurs conversations.
Like you talk about the movie, and everyone has such a different read on it.

Speaker 2 I mean, you could literally go back to, you know, ancient Greeks if you wanted to when you're talking about this movie. You could talk about religion.

Speaker 2 You could talk about, you know, where we are with reality TV shows and like, you know, how society sort of likes to control people, like, you know, like how we check into someone else's reality, but we're not really living in our own.

Speaker 2 Like, there's, there's so many cool things to talk about. So I find that it's a movie that really.

Speaker 1 Jesus, he's the fucking host of podcasts. I just, I just, I just

Speaker 1 go re-watch Celtic Six or something.

Speaker 1 I really like Jim Carrey.

Speaker 1 It was like a lot of people. I do love Jim Carrey.

Speaker 2 We talked about Dumb and Dumber. Like I love Jim.
You know, Jim Carrey, this was also one of his movies that I love because it kind of tapped into like a dramatic side to him.

Speaker 2 It still used his like superpower. Yeah.
But,

Speaker 2 but didn't hold on to it too tightly. It allowed him to do some other things.

Speaker 1 Do you have, so like, this is just a great part.

Speaker 1 So when you're watching this, you're an actor, you're always thinking about projects. Like you must see a movie like this and be like, fuck, what a great part.

Speaker 1 I would have loved to have played Truman.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think there's a lot of different types of actors that could play this role in the fact that I think it's a very well-written part, but I do think

Speaker 2 when you take on a role, you sort of have to figure out what the sort of guiding attribute is. And this movie could be played as a horror movie.

Speaker 2 It could be played a million different ways.

Speaker 2 And the fact that that he sort of lives in this blissful kind of like silly world like the the stakes of his world are low stakes until something drops out of the sky and kind of take shakes him out of it so it's something kind of that actually jim carre the way he plays it i think is probably the strongest way you know what's cool too is that this movie had such an interesting development history which i'm sure we'll talk about and like there were different permutations of the script.

Speaker 3 There were different directors up for directing it. There were different actors up for doing it.

Speaker 1 And each one of them, you're like, oh, that would have been cool.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that would have been interesting. But something about Peter Weir and Jim Carrey and what they chose to do with it, you're like, that's timeless.
Like, you can't change a note of this movie.

Speaker 1 It really was the most Robin Williams part ever that he didn't do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it totally.

Speaker 1 And ironically, he was not to step on casting widows, but he was like kind of mentioned and circled a little bit before they decided on it.

Speaker 2 I think pretty much none of this cast was like the original. No.

Speaker 1 the original. Wait, since we're talking about parts and being jealous and circling, have you picked your part in He 2 yet? What character is he? Which character is he?

Speaker 1 It seems like everybody's in that movie except me.

Speaker 1 You're not in the stories?

Speaker 2 No, man.

Speaker 1 I looked at the storyboards.

Speaker 2 I'm not in them.

Speaker 1 You were in the Miami Vice remake ones, though. I saw those.

Speaker 2 You know what's really a fun thing that's happening right now?

Speaker 2 It's like the first time in my life where a casting announcement comes out and it's like, there's no, there's no truth there, but like everybody congratulates you on it.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I'm just going to let it.

Speaker 1 But are you ever like, that's pretty sick.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll be looking at Sonny Crockett.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 2 honestly, it's it's a it's a very it's a very funny moment in life in my career because like you you do you know get to sort of retread like even with twisters right yeah what a fun road as a as a texas boy who grew up around you know tornado alley and like that was such a seminal movie you know bill paxon was such a you know he's texas film hall of fame guy you know and he's like what what they did with that movie was really really special.

Speaker 2 And so to kind of retread, you know, that ground was like really fun to do that with Top Gun, you you know, is was was amazing.

Speaker 2 So I, I, that's one of the favorite parts of my career is as like, as a fan of movies, I get to sometimes get to revisit these.

Speaker 1 What do we, what do we Kilmer's part for him? Shahurl is he's already got the short hair after the haircut, you know?

Speaker 3 Can you

Speaker 1 pony or a real pony?

Speaker 2 I was born for a pony.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Honestly, don't rule out Sonny Crockett. Oh, yeah.
I don't know. What are your cigarette skills?

Speaker 2 It's non-stop.

Speaker 1 The cigarettes are huge.

Speaker 1 No, I could see him doing it. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Could you fake Florida? What? Could you fake Florida? Could you fake South Florida?

Speaker 1 I don't think you fake Florida, do you? You don't fake Florida. Can Texas fake?

Speaker 1 You just get tan. What's the problem?

Speaker 1 I just want to make sure

Speaker 2 one spray tan away. That's what Florida is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Truman Show.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else is on? It's one of the last lines of the movie. The old guys watch.

Speaker 2 I love that movie. Those are my two favorite.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean, we're going to talk about the Deion Waders of it all. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 But, but I, I personally, there's other great choices, but I think those guys are the best exposition,

Speaker 2 sneaky exposition of the whole movie.

Speaker 1 So basically, this movie is foreshadowing everything that's about to come, which is why it's such a fascinating rewatch. It was great in the moment.

Speaker 1 I remember when it came out, I saw it in the theater at an illegal cable box in Boston in the late 90s, and they would rerun the pay-per-views. So it'd be like 12, 2.30, 5 o'clock.

Speaker 1 And I just kind of got sucked into Truman Show for like a week.

Speaker 1 And there's so many little Easter eggs and little things in there and you like the more you watch you're like fuck this is like this movie's kind of fucking me up and then you start like are there cameras here we're you know it's one of those where you start like reevaluating just like walking to dunk of donuts getting a coffee no it's it's it's kind of amazing i mean even just watching it the other night i like noticed some like

Speaker 2 they are very good I mean, Peter Weir especially is just very good with production design and like the little Easter eggs that they put in there.

Speaker 2 Even like I saw on like this one little arch in the scene when sort of like, you know, Truman is kind of like,

Speaker 2 you know, having his freak out with the bus in the public where he's literally kind of starting to put it all together.

Speaker 2 On the arches, it says, you know, it said, I looked at it, we saw this Latin stuff and I was like, well, I wonder what that is. And it says, it's, it translates to all for one, one for all.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I thought I was like, oh, that's cool. Like, just like, just, I love when there's intention and purpose behind.

Speaker 3 But it's like, they don't basically, they don't foreground that.

Speaker 3 They're like, hey, if you notice, you notice like there's a bunch of little things like that where it actually will answer some of the questions you might have about how they would pull this off but they don't make it a major element of the scene because the point of the scene is the emotion or this guy's journey or whatever so in my head like as the years passed i thought like oh reality tv there was this huge boom and truman like just i just kind of forgot how early survivor isn't it before every

Speaker 1 this kind of weirdly kicked it off like this predated by a year or two yeah i went through i did the the origin So apparently the first reality show was called Number TV on Dutch television.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys have the DVD. I have the box out.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
I only watched it.

Speaker 1 That was the first putting people in a house. Real World was 92.
I feel like the OJ trial was kind of a reality show. No, it wasn't.
It was like an uninterpreted reality show.

Speaker 1 Road Rules on MTV was 95.

Speaker 1 And that's it. So Truman Show comes in 98.
And it's like this whole world is coming where anybody can be famous. Anyone's like day-to-day life can actually be something.

Speaker 1 And they were making Ed TV at the same time with McConaughey. Was Ed TV before or after? After, after.
So it was kind of this moment, but then Survivor Big Brother of 2000, then Bachelor comes and

Speaker 1 hit that whole world.

Speaker 3 I was going to compare this to was the, did you ever see the Michael Apted movies, the 7 Up series, where they follow these kids from seven on and he makes them like every seven years about, and that is like a little bit like these kids, their whole lives exist within the framework of these movies, but they're the crucial thing about Truman is that he doesn't know he's participating in something that everybody else does.

Speaker 3 Whereas all reality shows, people are like, Yeah, I did this to be on camera.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it shifted really fast. I remember when I was working for Kimmel's show the first year, we had our lead guest for one episode was the lady that got voted off second to last on Joe Millionaire.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Wait, what's her name?

Speaker 1 Sarah something?

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay, okay.
Budget dating. No, no, no, no, no, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 You know, like I had an art Joe Millionaire

Speaker 1 dating era for sure. But yeah, but that Joe Millionaire was being watched by Sarah Cozer.
Sarah Cozer. What do you know?

Speaker 1 Good guy. 20 million plus people.
I remember that. So fucking millionaires.

Speaker 1 It was a huge deal. Yeah.
So it just like something shifted. Truman show saw all of it.
Dude, what's you know what's a real?

Speaker 2 I don't know if you guys have seen this show Jury Duty. Yeah.
But I realized like that is true. That's Truman show.
That's modern Truman show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like the idea that everybody's in on except one guy.

Speaker 3 Guy, I never really thought about that with Jury Duty, but I love that show.

Speaker 1 It's a great show. Yeah.
Yeah. Jimmy did a movie for Comedy Central called Windy City Heat where they just pranked this one guy with all these things.
This was probably like 2002 range.

Speaker 1 It was the same kind of premise. He was the only one who didn't know what was happening.
This Truman show was.

Speaker 1 I would say a little more elaborate because they had, I can't wait to do some of the nitpicks.

Speaker 1 I think they were actors and extras.

Speaker 2 I mean, as a first AD, I was literally thinking, like, sometimes I like, I like to like, you know, look at a movie, you know, and kind of go, okay, like, what is, what is the production designer's job?

Speaker 2 What's the first AD's job? Like, what do they stay up at night? Like, what keeps them up at night? Yeah. The first AD on the Truman show, it's a nightmare.

Speaker 1 just 24 hours unwrangleable 24 hours a day they might have people breaking we can get into it yeah well top gun maverick was probably that was probably the biggest most amount of people movie you made uh most amount of people moving like just behind the scenes like people doing i think it was the the amount of um

Speaker 2 i would just say like institutions that were involved you know because i mean you're dealing with like the united states navy you know you're dealing with the government like you're dealing with 80 million dollar aircraft and you're flying them like not how they're normally flying them right you know and so there's a lot i mean we would have to give briefs in front of the actual navy every day before we flew like i had to tell them altitude here's my airspace here's going to be my coordinates here's the sun position if this plane's moving at this you know like you and i had to give a brief every morning of exactly what we were doing.

Speaker 2 And you're doing it for the production, like the

Speaker 2 production department heads. So they're aware of what's happening.
So it matches up in the edit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So you're saying, hey, if I'm looking, you know, at three o'clock, is the plane going to be there?

Speaker 1 Is it four o'clock or five o'clock?

Speaker 2 So it all cuts together. Or am I looking down on this plane? Like where, and you're doing it with little plane sticks and acting everything out.

Speaker 2 So it was like, but you, you, you have to remember, like, we are, we are, you're not like fake planes.

Speaker 1 Like, we're, we're dealing, we're like, we're putting civilians flying like 100 feet off the ground at 500 miles an hour.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 Plus, you do with our guy, Cruz, the rewatchables leader by like four movies. Yeah, I think he's got a four-movie lead over everyone in the 90s.

Speaker 3 He's done all of them except for like Far and Away at this point.

Speaker 1 No, there's 90s movies. Oh, there's some meat on the bone, Chris.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. We got some Mission Impossibles left.
Oh, that's true. Yeah.
I don't think we've done all the right moves. There's some 80s stuff.
Yeah, all the right moves. Don't worry, Tom Cruise.

Speaker 1 We got you.

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Speaker 1 Adam sandler punch drunk love yep will farrell stranger than fiction yep they always have to have that one where they're like i can do more than this in a good way do you think good morning vietnam is robin williams

Speaker 1 world according to garp i think was oh i guess that's right because he's coming out of mork and mindy just like hey i'm not just like goofy was that pre-goodwill or or or what was the one he did with um insomnia uh that's late

Speaker 3 that's nolan yeah what and then awakenings is when awakenings awakenings was early 90s that was was another one.

Speaker 1 When he was like, I also have serious Robin Williams. I can do that character.

Speaker 1 How many sides do you have? How many guys? You have Rob Glenn Powell. You got a lot.
Action Glenn Powell.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to cover my video board right now. Honestly, you know what the fun part about this moment in the job is people give you a very long leash.
Yeah. Right.
And

Speaker 2 they only basically say no when you've proven that you can't do it. Right.

Speaker 2 And so what I'm like really trying to do right now is like, really, just like all the movies that kind of inspired me to do this job, like all the things that we're talking about, like as just movie fans, I'm kind of going, you know, I don't really think of it from like a me side as much as just like a the types of movies I want to make.

Speaker 2 And then you, you, you, you always want to know what you're good at. You always want to know like what you're, you don't want to, you know, take on something that is like just not a fit.

Speaker 2 But like at the end of the day, like going into something that kind of scares you is a good thing.

Speaker 1 Well, he's got some sports movie mortality.

Speaker 1 Like you're, how old are you now?

Speaker 2 37. Just turned 37 two days ago.

Speaker 1 But maybe a 10-year window now for sports movies.

Speaker 3 He's chucking in Chad Powers.

Speaker 1 I know. You got Chad Powers.
Yeah. Everybody wants them.

Speaker 1 I feel like there's like an end-of-the-career baseball movie. Maybe it's like a comedy drama.
A little like

Speaker 2 may or may not be building one of those. Come on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, trust me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you were good at baseball. Like, for real.
Thank you. Yeah.
What is that?

Speaker 3 It's the Val Kilmer part from Heat. He moves to South America, plays winter ball in Panama.
You know,

Speaker 1 Heat 3. That's how they find him.
But yeah, It's a really weird. City 400 and the Mexico Greg

Speaker 1 totally. We have to

Speaker 1 shifting in the first act. What are your other sports?

Speaker 2 I mean, I would say that like lacrosse would be like fun, a fun one to go.

Speaker 1 There's not really any lacrosse movies. No lacrosse movies.

Speaker 2 That would be really fun.

Speaker 2 I just feel like baseball movies for me, like obviously Link Later is like a guy that will team up, you know, many times over, but he talking to him about baseball, it's hard not to like go, oh, what's a great baseball movie?

Speaker 2 Because he's one of the only guys that I would say directors out here that really know the sport and like understand what makes it kind of yeah, kind of undefeated with movies, they never stop.

Speaker 1 They keep coming out.

Speaker 3 I wanted to ask you, so Peter Weir, yep, yeah, kind of, you know, I was thinking about this last night, kind of reminds me of Link Later in that there's not like an overbearing visual style that you're like, that's that guy's movie.

Speaker 3 You know, it's like a Scorsese shot or a Chris Nolan shot, but he gets incredible performances. Like all of his films, this is a third or fourth Peter Wearer.
Like, we've done Dead Poets, we've done

Speaker 1 Witness, Witness.

Speaker 1 We'll do Master and Commander at some point. And Master and Commander at some point.

Speaker 3 What is it about like the actor's director? Like when you're working with Link Later or something like that, like how does he get such naturalistic and human performances out of people?

Speaker 3 And do you see some of that?

Speaker 1 That's a really good question. That's a really good conference on his game today.

Speaker 2 You know what's interesting about Link is that

Speaker 2 you can tell when a director, I always like, I always kind of like sniff it out with a director and kind of

Speaker 2 you kind of feel what are they paying attention to?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 And a lot of times you can feel when a director is like doing things where it's like, obviously, there's always a million things to do when, and when they're paying attention to the background artists, they're seeing how things fill up a frame.

Speaker 2 They're looking at light, they're looking at camera movement or whatever.

Speaker 1 Link later is the first guy that will call out bullshit on performance.

Speaker 2 He's like, he's like, something's not reading here. But we do a lot of the rehearsals to make sure that we're all on the same page.

Speaker 2 Like he's a guy that, as an actor, there's nothing better than when a director,

Speaker 2 you know, something's bullshit and then a director goes, hey, I just didn't buy it. You're like, oh, I'm taken care of.

Speaker 1 Right? Interesting. He's got your back.
He's got your back. Authenticity.
Turns out it matters in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 But as an actor, like a lot of times, like you work with a filmmaker and you're like, they're great shooters they know how to work the camera like they know how to shoot you know all these different you know action or you know they're they're great with you know creating tension or thrilling elements but then you realize you're on your own performance level yeah that's when you're kind of living at the monitor making sure you know i i do that anyway at the beginning of a movie to just to see how it's sort of reading with all the elements but at the but it's really nice to have some a filmmaker who is looking out for you in that way because then you can just play you know then you're then you're, then you understand that the edit's going to take care of you.

Speaker 2 Right. You know, you don't have to, you don't have to edit yourself.

Speaker 1 You know, I have all these premiere magazines from the 1990s, and they wrote about Truman Show in 98, and it was a long interview with Peter Weir.

Speaker 1 And they asked him, like, how, how are you so good at these characters? And he said, because he was making movies in Australia in the 70s, right? He made like

Speaker 1 all those ones.

Speaker 1 But he said they had no good screenwriters in Australia. Wow.
And you kind of, if you were a a director, you also had to like revise all these shitty scripts.

Speaker 1 And like, so that really got him when he was younger to learn how to like work with dialogue with actors.

Speaker 1 And he's like, in a weird way, it like worked out for me because I was always thinking about this when I was a young director. And then as it translated when I got older,

Speaker 1 that's why I can work with actors. So I was like, oh, that's really interesting.

Speaker 2 How to make it work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, you, you realize that there's a lot, like as an actor, like I always appreciate it, especially in this movie when certain things are happening for Truman in a a weird way, and like you, you only get so many buy-ins in a movie.

Speaker 2 Like, there's a lot of buy-ins that you have to, you know, buy into here about like what he's aware of, what he's not aware of, like how many lights that have fallen down from the sky that didn't start unraveling his sense of the world.

Speaker 2 Like, there's a few things like, yeah, to build a history of Truman is a very interesting thing. And like, sort of what you have to brush under the rug and sort of what you have to kind of honor.

Speaker 2 And I just thought that you could tell that Peter Weir and jim carry were really on the same page with with like

Speaker 2 what how to react to certain things right like to to react like kind of like comedically to it and then like kind of move on with your life yeah you know not let it not let it marinate too long because then the audience is going to marinate on it too you know what i mean yeah because he's the audience surrogate even though we are

Speaker 2 even though we are

Speaker 2 have more information than truman If he's thinking about it too much, the logic police start kicking in and you do not want that for them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I, i mean he does something weird something really cool where he both identifies exactly what somebody's good at so like carrie has all this like physical yeah he's so gifted at moving like he's almost like gene kelly in this movie he's like gliding through these scenes but he also like knows when to like i whether he knows or carrie knows to when to take it down five percent so that it doesn't turn into the mask at any moment like or it doesn't turn into like kind of a more comic over-the-top performance and i think it's what you're talking about it keeps us connected to him because he seems just enough like a real guy to buy him in this completely unreal situation.

Speaker 1 Well, I like that he waited for Carrie for a year. And then they decided he was doing it.
He was like, this has to be the guy. And he's like, well, I got to make cable guy and the liar liar.
And

Speaker 1 they're like, all right. So then he, apparently, we're spent like a year just thinking about the movie, storyboarding.
And he hadn't done a movie since Fearless in 93.

Speaker 1 So he, he wanted backstories for all the cats. So he went like deep dive.
I'm going to create like, who's Marlon? What's his backstory? How did he grow up?

Speaker 3 And head poets characters, like all the actors on Dead Poets were like, weird, had us do our own biographies for every character.

Speaker 3 Like we would write our own biographies and rehearse them and talk about stuff that wasn't even going to be in the movie. But he was like, it was just that level of care.

Speaker 1 We're going to do Glenn's going to do that for Miami Advice to remix

Speaker 1 Sonny Crockett autobiography. You guys do it.

Speaker 2 A subcategory for Sonny Crockett's Ponytail Award.

Speaker 1 the the the the um

Speaker 2 the interesting part about about truman show in terms of also what you're talking about backstory yeah every single character in this movie i always love like the category of like the rack focus movie yeah like where you're like oh if i rack focus to laura lenny's character how did she get cast in that show absolutely what does that look like like the even the contract of like

Speaker 2 her marrying a person and being like like what is that what is that does she

Speaker 2 get days off yeah right Does she get days off? Like, what does that look like in perpetuity?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, that, and I just think that there were so many characters like that because this is sort of like an, you cannot make this premise bulletproof.

Speaker 2 So allowing you to like rack focus to different characters, you know, even Marlon, like, you know, even the dad, like the way he comes back.

Speaker 2 I'm sitting there going, I have so many questions, but everybody's really interesting.

Speaker 2 And when you have a social experiment like this, I was like, this is a world in which you can kind of constantly rack focus to cool people.

Speaker 1 So we got Laura Lenny, Ed Harris, Noah Emmerich, fresh from the Beautiful Guy set. Yeah.
Singing Neil Diamonds.

Speaker 1 Peter Krauss, Paul Giamatti,

Speaker 1 Philip Baker Hall. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like Loll that Pops in My Where's the Butter in My Ass and Lolla Pops in My Mouth. This is what I like.
This is right around the same time, too. Yeah.
Right. He goes back to the mouth.

Speaker 1 Patricia McAlone. Is that how you say it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just looking great. How do you say it?

Speaker 3 McElhan, I think.

Speaker 1 McElhan. Yeah.
Looking great. Holland Taylor, Harris Shearer, carries the star, obviously, and carries in this heater from 94 to 2000.
This is a seven-year run.

Speaker 1 I think it's probably the best that you could argue for any comedian ever, and it's in the running for best actor run ever. Ace Ventura, the mask, dumb and dumber, Batman forever, ace two, cable guy.

Speaker 1 He hosts SNL during Will Farrell's first season, and it's probably one of the four best episodes of the history of the show.

Speaker 2 Liar Liar.

Speaker 1 He has the Larry Sanders cameo in the last show where he jumps on the desk and sings to Larry Sanders. Man on the Moon, Truman Show, Me, Myself, and Irene, and Grinch Stole Christmas.

Speaker 1 How'd the Grinch stole Christmas

Speaker 1 in seven years? When's the tournament?

Speaker 3 Eternal Sunshine is at like

Speaker 1 after. Yeah, this is he, he started the 2000s.
He slowed down a little bit, but I mean, that's like.

Speaker 2 That's a pace, by the way.

Speaker 1 Crazy. That's a crazy pace.

Speaker 2 Seven years.

Speaker 1 And all kinds of different performances. And,

Speaker 1 you know, even like he became Andy Kaufman for like four months. Yeah.
That documentary is wild. Yeah.
Yeah. Like he really like kind of lost his mind a little bit.
But this is

Speaker 1 yeah, I don't know. CR is he the most talented comedian we've ever had for for to cross over into acting, it's probably between him and Robin Williams, right? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, Eddie had a huge box office, I don't know if he's ever had like this diversity of parts, but Robin Williams and Jim Carrey would probably be my number.

Speaker 1 I think Eddie Murphy could have gotten there, but he had the similar unbelievable seven-year run, but he never figured out the drama side in the same way. That's like the did he ever part of

Speaker 1 the Dream Girls, and um, I mean, Boomerang is a rom-com but is pretty boomerang's amazing yeah yeah he had the yeah he he dabbled but it never he never kind of landed it but carrie was just

Speaker 1 i it's like you look at the imdb and it's like what the hell like seminal movies like jesus how did you do all that uh andrew nickel wrote this movie in 93 we mentioned that can i throw a new nickel fact yeah so i this quote that he had in a recent enough like 2023 interview with a holly reporter was actually like the best summation of why this movie works.

Speaker 3 Is he they were asking him, like, what was your idea for the movie? And he goes, As children, we often think the world revolves around us. I thought it would be interesting if it did.

Speaker 3 And then he goes, It was that, along with my lifelong inescapable paranoia, that we are being lied to. And it's so, you basically take Frank Capra and Alfred Hitchcock and you put it together.

Speaker 3 And that's what this movie is.

Speaker 1 Well, so, wow, that's great. Yeah, so they did 16 drafts.
We were wanting it to be a little funnier.

Speaker 1 And then reality really started to tick off a little bit too, and made it a little bit easier. Is it better if you don't know reality TV is coming or if you knew reality TV happened?

Speaker 1 Like as an experience of what

Speaker 1 happened from Craig later. Yeah, watching it, knowing that Survivor and Big Brother.
and the challenge and all these fucking crazy shows are coming.

Speaker 2 I personally love, I mean, look,

Speaker 2 this movie came out.

Speaker 2 I was, I was really young when this movie, I thought it was 10 years old when this movie came out, but I, but like watching it now as an adult, I actually get so much joy out of like knowing that reality TV

Speaker 2 is such an interesting social experiment and the, the, like, why people watch it, the lengths people are willing to go to watch other people go through things and like how we define reality and like.

Speaker 2 just like, just, the mercy that we have for people in these scenarios. It's like a very interesting thing that I like watching it now.
I think think as an adult.

Speaker 2 I appreciate it because it feels like it's possible.

Speaker 2 Like I know it says, I think, and I think there's like the, you know, the, the, the real estate question of how you actually build like something like this, how you control something like this.

Speaker 2 But I think on a level, if it were feasible financially or practically, a network would do this in a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 I mean, and legally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Illegally. Yeah.
Yeah. If it were feasible.
Yeah. I would argue, though, like you're legitimately famous.

Speaker 1 Like your life is a little Truman showish every day because you walk around this world, but when people see you and wherever, they're like, hey,

Speaker 1 which is a little like what this movie's doing, but the people can't, they, they kind of, you can just see their body language change when they see it, but it's a little similar, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think that's been an interesting adjustment is you still walk through the, the, the world the same.

Speaker 2 And then sometimes you have those moments where you kind of look up and you're like, oh, this is okay. Everybody, you know, it is a little bit of a paranoid thriller sometimes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I know it's hard for CR.

Speaker 3 It's brutal. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 ed hurst did it hurts winner get nominated nominated nominated um i'm sure peter weir had to get nominated yeah i'm sure script got nominated that's three um

Speaker 2 i'm gonna go

Speaker 2 production design no we're done no we're done that's it three yeah yeah only three carry no carry travesty you know what though the the oscars like there's a different there's a different path for a comedian getting to that stage, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 It's a little bias.

Speaker 2 I think you earn it in a different way.

Speaker 1 Like in the NFL, you have to be a one or a two seat to win the MVP or else they don't take you seriously. Dak Prescott, exactly.
Just dead man.

Speaker 1 He's having a hell of a season. It makes me so happy.
He's got to go 13 and 4.

Speaker 1 So, Craig, were you shocked that he didn't win? Daddy got nominated for this? Yes. Yeah, 100% needed to get nominated.
Because comedians have not been nominated in the past. Like, Robert Danny Jr.

Speaker 1 got a nom for Tropic Thunder. Yep.
I mean, Johnny Depp for Pirates is kind of a comedy role, got nominated.

Speaker 2 But those are dramatic actors that are doing a comedic thing and are sort of honored. I think it's a different thing for someone who's a true comedian bias.
Yeah. I coming to that stage.

Speaker 1 Robert. John Wayne has eventually got over it

Speaker 1 because I think Good Morning Vietnam was a big one for him.

Speaker 3 This was a wild Oscar.

Speaker 1 Well, Benini wins for Life is Beautiful. Hanks, Private Ryan.
Ian McKellen, Gods and Monsters. Nick Nolte, Affliction, and then Ed Norton, American History X.
Really, that was a good year.

Speaker 1 The two-handed. That's a good year.
The two-handed dunk. That's what, that's what God was.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 if you do it over again, I think Carrie's one of the five. Yeah, I am.
And it's certainly one of, I think, one of his two or three best. Would people say

Speaker 1 Eternal Sunshine over this? I would

Speaker 3 have this over Eternal.

Speaker 2 tough role in my opinion. Yeah.
I think Eternal Sunshine is a brilliant premise. That's like a really emotionally driven, brilliant premise.
I think this one,

Speaker 2 as an actor, you go into a role and you know sort of how high that that tightrope is off the ground is a really high tightrope.

Speaker 1 So weird got nominated. Spielberg won for Private Ryan.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 the script, I think it was Shakespeare and Love. I didn't up on him.
So there you go. $60 million budget made $264 million.

Speaker 1 We used to go see movies. Well, now it's coming back.
That's coming back.

Speaker 3 That's the perfect return on it.

Speaker 2 Like, right?

Speaker 3 It's like 60. We're not over our heads here.
200 and whatever is like a huge hit.

Speaker 1 We didn't have Holly Reporter back then going, it still hasn't made the money back.

Speaker 1 They spent 271 million.

Speaker 2 It really is a whole thing where you sit there like, who cares? I'm just like a big believer in cheering for everyone in this business.

Speaker 2 I think like that's a, that's a thing that it's really hard to take big swings and have big wins in this business. And like.
When, when,

Speaker 2 you know, a movie wins, like one, one battle after another, I freaking love this movie. Yeah.
And I was like, I'm cheering for that thing to win. I hate when people like like, yuck your yum.

Speaker 2 And you're like, well, but it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 It did with Sinners too, which was so dumb. Siskel and Ebert gave this movie two thumbs up on TV.

Speaker 1 And I don't remember seeing this before. An on-air apology to Jim Carrey because they said after Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, which they hated, they said he would never have a movie career.

Speaker 1 You're kidding. And four years later, they love this movie.

Speaker 3 People hated Kerry when he, like, my dad was a film critic, like these guys. And like, I just remember him like sitting through the farting and him just being like, I can't do this.

Speaker 3 And like, this guy is such a joke. And then

Speaker 1 Zenace Ventura cutoff line is probably like 45. Somehow, I'm way over it.
And I still think it's hilarious.

Speaker 1 But a certain type of older person thought it was like the worst thing that had ever been inflicted on me.

Speaker 3 Two-year-old haggard film critics were like, I can't.

Speaker 1 I can't do it. She's like, I'm done.
Just shoot me in the head right now.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's nostalgia. I mean, it really, that is, that is one of those things that that is the dumbest premise.
And it only works because a full commitment to creating jokes out of nothing.

Speaker 1 Can I ask you a question? You're either going to laugh at that or you're not. You're not.
You can't be over now and talking to this. You're either going to hate that or love it.
That's it.

Speaker 2 Anyway, the rhino in When Nature Calls, I think it's still one of the greatest physical gags of all time.

Speaker 1 So Ebert, four stars,

Speaker 1 absolutely loved it. Talked about how it brought in focus.

Speaker 1 the new values that technology is forcing on humanity

Speaker 1 because we can engineer genetics, because we can telecast real lives. Of course, we must, right? But are these good things to do?

Speaker 1 The irony is the people who will finally answer that question will be the very ones produced by the process.

Speaker 1 Raj saw the world coming. But Gattaca, which was the other one Nicole wrote, was fascinated in this world too.
What's going to happen when technology takes? And he was like,

Speaker 3 these two movies are basically related for me.

Speaker 1 The good news is technology is fine now. I think it's going great.
We're going in Miami. Yeah.
Nothing on the horizon to worry about. It sounds like there's big scared companies or anything.

Speaker 1 It's going great.

Speaker 1 I'm sleeping tight.

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Speaker 1 all right we're doing the categories Thankfully, Glenn has listened to the podcast and he's excited.

Speaker 1 Most rewatchable scene is the start.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to throw out the ones I had. And if I missed any, tell me.
But the opening,

Speaker 1 how it opens like the show with Christophe. Yeah.
And you're like, what's going on? I thought Peter Weird directed this movie.

Speaker 1 But he has that thing where he says, I like how it's a reality show convincing people that it's real life and that it's better than acting. Meanwhile, nothing at all is real.
And it's like, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like this, like the sit-down interview.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in.

Speaker 1 Truman's flashback to being in love with the other girl in high school. For me.
With Lauren. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that whole sequence, the way she looks at him. I like movies when you get an actor to look at another actor like that with like just real love and affection.
I think it's underrated.

Speaker 2 She gets the most bang for her book for probably having a fewest lines in this movie,

Speaker 1 like literally over the whole movie with just looks. Yes.

Speaker 1 Truman starts to figure it out with the radio frequency in the car.

Speaker 2 Love that.

Speaker 1 Hospital. It's buying the Fiji ticket with the makeup bib.
The lady still forgot to take the bib off.

Speaker 1 The bus breaks down. So we got that.
Truman tries to escape with Meryl. Yep.

Speaker 1 Finally drives over the water. They catch him.
Now you know it's bad.

Speaker 1 Quickly, the Moco Coco scene when he's like,

Speaker 1 Who are you talking to? She's just doing that thing.

Speaker 1 Marlon's heart to heart with Truman.

Speaker 2 This is if I'm in on it, everyone. You know, if everyone's in on it, that means that's it.

Speaker 1 You're like, you're a scumbag.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but also Christoph giving him the lines and him kind of being like, yeah, goddamn it.

Speaker 1 Big reveal. So they don't reveal this.

Speaker 1 It's like the the 50 minute mark of the movie it's incredible yeah and it's like and now we wide back there's a crew watching and we're like holy shit this was this is what we're doing like it doesn't really set in right yeah that's how it all works um whole universe watching truman's crying when he sees his dad

Speaker 1 that's a good moment yeah there's a theory he's crying because he knows that his whole life's been a lie oh

Speaker 1 He's not crying because he's happy to see his dad again. He's crying because he's like, holy shit up.

Speaker 1 Because right after that moment, he's on to everything i would love to ask jim carry that question maybe he played it both ways yeah weird's like yeah dude

Speaker 1 uh truman escapes in the basement a little shawshankish

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 for sure dark truman's skillboat adventure with uh christoph going heel the great wave going old testament yeah he was yeah

Speaker 1 Do it up. Put it up to the danger.
I want to point out the score, how good the score is in this movie, especially the scene.

Speaker 1 And then when he hits the end of the world, it's the best. You're like, wait, what happened?

Speaker 2 Maybe most, one of the most iconic endings to a movie ever.

Speaker 1 And Truman says goodbye. I don't know.
Are there any other ones you would throw in?

Speaker 2 No, I bring it up score.

Speaker 2 I think the moment that he's kind of discovering things like where he's turning on that street and then he's like, he's stopping the bus and he's starting to kind of put it all together.

Speaker 2 There's the score behind that. I realize that I go, oh, I think in any other director's hands, they start playing it like a little bit more paranoid and kind of built tension.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 He played it triumphantly. And it was an interesting thing where it makes you like root for Truman.
Right. Like, it's almost like, oh, he's putting it together.

Speaker 2 And we're like on the page of going, oh, let's go, Truman.

Speaker 1 Like, he's putting it together. It's like a.

Speaker 3 That's Philip Glass, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Philip Glass, like, but I just thought it was a really brilliant musical cue because it trains the audience to root for him rather than.

Speaker 1 Let's do that with the Miami Advice remake.

Speaker 1 When the three of us hash it out. So what do you have for most rewatchable?

Speaker 2 Most rewatchable. I think that scene, I think that scene is the most rewatchable scene is him putting it all together.

Speaker 3 He's right. Yeah.
That's when he discovers the set, it goes through the revolving door, and then he just is sort of like starting to like, yeah, he's starting to see the ones and zeros.

Speaker 2 That's the wish fulfillment of the whole movie, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen this movie multiple times, and it still takes me back when

Speaker 1 he hits the end. Yeah.
You're like, oh,

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Speaker 1 What's the most 1998 thing about this movie? Did I prepare you for this one?

Speaker 2 Yep. Most 1998, I think, uh the travel agent

Speaker 1 that's a great one

Speaker 1 glint came prepared glen said the high bar for any future celebrity i had a very negative experience with a travel agent today and i was just like how is this happening like i've called you once in 10 years right and you can't work

Speaker 3 what do you have for 98 uh reality television being like a novel idea

Speaker 3 uh just so the idea that like when you would have seen this movie in 1998 this would have seemed incredibly far-fetched and now it seems like oh yeah is there isn't there a Truman show on channel 236 that I don't know about?

Speaker 1 That's a good one. I had young Paul Giamatti.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It just jumped out to me.
He age the wait, wait, age the best.

Speaker 1 No, just that it made seeing young Paul Giamatti made me feel like I was in the mid-1990s because he was in private parts with Howard Stern. And I've seen that version of him.

Speaker 3 He's the bellhop in my best friend's wedding.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. He just he had this whole that guy run in the 90s before he became Paul Giamatti.
Yeah. And then he did the wine movie that we've already done

Speaker 1 that I'm blanking on.

Speaker 1 But yes, he did sideways and he became Paul Giamatti. But for 10 years, he was just like this guy with like weird facial hair.

Speaker 1 Anyway, what's age the best?

Speaker 1 Well, what do you have?

Speaker 2 Because I have a bunch.

Speaker 2 Let me see what I've seen.

Speaker 1 I'll do a couple while we're looking up. I like movies when adults play high school kids and flashbacks and I actually feel like they're in high school.
Yep. Because people, they usually mangle that.

Speaker 1 I actually like believed like Laura Lenny was like when they all met together. 30 is a good age to go like yeah

Speaker 1 just far enough yeah carrie actually looked young enough so i was buying that he you know what i wrote down for what age is the best yeah product placement oh yeah i i

Speaker 3 think they sort of nail like they just they they kind of brushed it under the rug of the the product placement but how many how the entire world product placement and post-game shows for tv shows like recap shows basically yeah this movie this is probably for a different category in a lot of ways like predicts amazon because like when you're watching an an Amazon show they're also like you can buy whatever anybody's wearing in this right you know what I mean or you can buy like the stuff that they're using so it's kind of the only thing I missed out on was the gambling content like we didn't have Truman making a same game

Speaker 2 yeah you know what I thought about that like there was like this one bar like every they keep I never noticed the the the the sort of aprons before but it's not just a bar it's a Truman show yeah it's like bubba gum shrimp yeah that's what I was thinking I was like that kind of took me out of it a little bit I kind of wanted to feel a little more universal but I thought about in that bar you have to have some gambling in that bar.

Speaker 3 Well, he does do two to one odds on he's going to, he's like, the bartender does do like, I'm taking odds on him getting out of this, getting across the ocean here.

Speaker 2 You should never see the action.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to do this later. I'll just do this now since you brought it up.
So people are going to the bar. They're just having drinks and food at the Truman Show bar.
Truman Show's on.

Speaker 1 Are they allowed to talk about anything else?

Speaker 3 You say that, but if I opened a bar called Miami Vice, where Miami Vice Vice

Speaker 1 dressed like Miami Vice

Speaker 1 and we just had mojitos.

Speaker 1 it's not a terrible idea this is this is what this is what um what was the one that stallone and bruce willis opened um the plane hollow plane hollywood yeah right you know there's like i i always loved the rainforest cafe i love i love a themed restaurant yeah you know i think there were some people that went to the truman bar and were like i'll go to the truman bar yeah i'm not talking about the truman shop

Speaker 1 it's got great ribs they got great ribs product placement could have been a little more subtle

Speaker 2 in 98 that's that's my one knock is I think that they they could have been like there was the twin guys that they push them against them like he would have figured that out.

Speaker 2 Laura Lenny's like kind of really selling it.

Speaker 1 Like in the middle of that very intense moment, she has to promote smoco cocoa. Yeah, you don't have to do that right now.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Uh, I thought the best sea crest idea for what's age is the best.

Speaker 3 No cats.

Speaker 1 Just dogs. Seahaven.
Seahaven. Yeah.
There is no cats in the cat.

Speaker 1 There are no cats.

Speaker 3 There's a cat in the control room.

Speaker 1 Very dog friendly, though. No cats.

Speaker 2 Very interesting thing to notice. Interesting.

Speaker 1 I just, I'm only saying this for Mallory Rubin because she works with us and she's going to be furious that I enjoyed a world with no cats.

Speaker 2 Dude, when I was shooting Expendables 3

Speaker 2 in Bulgaria.

Speaker 1 Say no more.

Speaker 1 What a start.

Speaker 2 There's a city. So the city of Sofia, Bulgaria is like overrun with dogs.
All dogs. And then there's a city called Plovdiv.
that is overrun with cats.

Speaker 2 And I visited them like, like, and I was like, what a weird thing to have.

Speaker 1 like do they have any sharks and jets that's what i was thinking i was like there's gonna be a war that happens when these two cities meet we said mallory there and report back the what's age the best the poster which i think is one of the best posters from this decade it was done by an artist named rob silverman uh hundreds of carried things that he just worked on forever and they paid 75 000 for it 75 that's it wow that is a great that is a great would you say it premiered

Speaker 2 the poster or the no the the the actual movie oh i don't know was it at a festival or was it like a I think it just

Speaker 1 raised pleasure?

Speaker 1 I think they pushed it because they wanted it to go for Oscars. Yeah, it premiered in June in LA.
In LA.

Speaker 1 It was supposed to be 97, and then the Titanic literally was this big boat coming for everybody. And they were like, let's go 98.
Better chance for the Oscars.

Speaker 1 What else do you have for what's aged the best?

Speaker 2 Age the best.

Speaker 2 I do think that

Speaker 2 the ending is perfect. One of the great endings.
I just think, I think, I think the bow at the end, the wish fulfillment of it, you get that thing that I love in movies, which is like the laugh cry.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Like you cut to the world, like the guy in the bathtub, just like slapping the wall.

Speaker 2 Like you kind of have that emotional reaction where you're like simultaneously sad its ending, but also like so happy for a guy.

Speaker 1 That was the crazy thing with VJ

Speaker 1 and the end of Joe L.M.B.'s career. And it's safe time.
Is that a laugh cry for you? The laugh cry

Speaker 1 in the tub.

Speaker 2 Do you have any one stage the best?

Speaker 3 I got a bunch.

Speaker 3 This movie passes the Raiders of the Lost Arc screenplay test that I'm inventing. Not inventing, but I like it.

Speaker 3 It's like, I think every 10 pages or 10 minutes of this movie, something really important happens and it makes you so engaged, like on a kind of almost subconscious level with it.

Speaker 3 You anticipate it almost like a thriller, even though it's like this drama comedy. But I was just, I was realized this last night.
At 10 minutes, he can't get on the boat.

Speaker 1 You're like, why not?

Speaker 3 20 minutes, we meet Lauren. 30 minutes, he discovers the set.
40 minutes, he sees the fingers crossed wedding picture. Yep.

Speaker 3 50 minutes, the cop says Truman's name when he's like, Yeah, no problem, Truman or whatever. Thanks, Truman.
He's like, What the fuck?

Speaker 3 And then at 60, he gets reunited with his dad and you see Christoph in the control room. And then it's like the last 30 minutes, which is just crazy.
But the way that like they have that

Speaker 3 like rhythm to like discovery in this movie, it's just kind of disorienting enough.

Speaker 2 And then you're like, oh, and it's paced, it's paced out well.

Speaker 2 I heard that there was a version of the script in which we don't even realize that Truman is in a simulation until the midpoint.

Speaker 3 See, this is what I wanted to ask about: whether or not you guys think that's

Speaker 3 the opening 30 seconds or two minutes of the movie

Speaker 3 is what makes it re-watchable because you're like, I kind of know just enough about this being weird. But if you just have it play like a sixth sense twist, it's different.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, people are stupid. I think you have to cater to them.

Speaker 1 You kind of have to hold their hand every once in a while with something like this. I think that's why.
What else do you have?

Speaker 3 I had

Speaker 3 them doing

Speaker 3 T-Rex 20th Century Boy as like a 1950s sock hop jam because like, you know, what is music in this world? And like, how would they have like, what does he know about like rock and roll or whatever?

Speaker 3 Or is time stop in the 50s? And so like the fact that they're covering a 1970s glam rock song that's obviously very popular, but making it sound like Chuck Berry or something like that.

Speaker 3 Oh, that is interesting. It's a kind of interesting idea about what they would do for like to keep this guy like engaged with culture inside of this world.

Speaker 2 They just, they just didn't want to pay for the rights.

Speaker 1 It's also possible.

Speaker 2 You know what's funny though? Is I actually flagged that scene is actually, I think, one of the best directed scenes in the whole movie.

Speaker 3 The dance.

Speaker 2 The dance. I think that dance is like poetry.

Speaker 2 It is done with looks. It's fun.
It's It's paranoid. It's like, it's got a sense of the world to it.
And it like, it does so much heavy lifting in a very short amount of time for a whole movie.

Speaker 1 I had,

Speaker 1 don't get freaked out. Deaths at sea in movies.
Oh, I think are always riveting. And I was, I almost wanted to do like my, my top tier best ones ever.
And then I thought that'd be super weird.

Speaker 1 Because Ordinary People has a great one. Yeah.
This one has a really good one. Josh.

Speaker 3 Perfect Storm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Perfect Storm.

Speaker 1 But the one where you're like just hold on and the guy's like i can't yeah they fall back titanic is probably visually titanic's another one but visually it's oh it always works yeah it's always

Speaker 2 like oh he's not going to be able to hold on is he i got it i got it i mean that's that's where the movie takes on a really dark yeah dark thing you're like oh what they're willing to do to keep this guy here so what happened so he goes under and what do they have like a scuba dad i just show a clip of it yeah they show a clip of like he's like i think they maybe i'm making this up but it seemed like the dad was like upset with being taken off.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's in the montage when Christophe does his interview. Yeah.
And they show the dad being like upset about it.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. His storyline was kind of.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the divers are in the water getting the dad. Right.

Speaker 1 Quick ones. Big Kahuna Burger Award, best use of food and drink.
The Moco Coco coffee. Should come back.

Speaker 3 I had Chef's Pal, Dicer Greater, and Peeler Allen.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good.

Speaker 2 Yep. I think those are the two.
I mean, the Moco Coco, I think, is maybe the most iconic.

Speaker 1 By the way, not a bad name for a

Speaker 1 coffee.

Speaker 3 I mean, they could they could have honestly paid for this movie with the amount of product placement they did within this movie yeah great chat gordo most cinematic chat what do you have for cre uh truman going through the revolving door like with the kind of like realization that something is changing or the last shot of the movie him walking into the black black doorway i like

Speaker 1 when they when they finally stop the storm

Speaker 1 and they go the the over the boat yeah

Speaker 1 he's like this and you don't know if he's dead or not and then i don't know i just thought that looked cool with the sun come up i loved I loved Ed Harris touching his face on the screen.

Speaker 2 I thought that was a very, like a moment where you started seeing this like father, this like really messed up father-son thing happening where it's like, he's obsessed with his creation.

Speaker 2 I was like, that was a moment that's like a very cool visual moment that like kind of sums up the whole dynamic.

Speaker 1 Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for best character name. Christophe's really good.
It's such a douchey.

Speaker 1 Obviously, this guy would devote his life to tormenting Truman. His name's Christophe.
He's no last name.

Speaker 2 It's the backwards beret

Speaker 1 with the glasses.

Speaker 3 Truman Burbank is pretty good.

Speaker 1 Truman Burbank's good.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Truman Burbank.
I mean, Christophe, by the way, it's the whole thing that they talked about is like

Speaker 1 Christ. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Christoph, that he's playing God.

Speaker 1 He's the voice of God.

Speaker 2 You know, and he's like a one-name guy. You know, Truman, True Man.
You know, like there, they again, there was like a lot of intention and all that, but I think Truman Burbank kind of like,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I could have had a second draft.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Truman Burbank sounds like the left tack on the jaguars yeah

Speaker 3 uh cr you have a flex category uh this is a category that's not normally in the rundown but cr has carte blanche to pick any category so uh i am choosing in honor of uh heat it it's a book about medals award for blatedly best quote or exchange the one that sticks with me the most because it gets overridden by truman redoing

Speaker 3 good afternoon, good evening, and if I don't see you, good night, or whatever. I love when he's like, you never had a camera in my head.

Speaker 3 The way he says that and like the idea that there has to be a limit to like surveillance or like the way that how much you can know somebody.

Speaker 3 And I, I, I thought that was like such an incredible like grace note to go out on.

Speaker 1 So I always like that one.

Speaker 2 My, my, my favorite was with the two security guys where, where, um, you, you see them like, you know, they're about to, you know.

Speaker 2 the husband and wife are about to get intimate and you basically cut to the security guards it's like you know they never show it you know he's like he just you just cut to the the the curtain they blow a little bit He's like, they never show it.

Speaker 2 It's my favorite way to like get plot out. Like, like, to, to literally go like, hey, just like, you're like, wait, what are they showing? What are they not showing?

Speaker 2 But it is also one of my favorite rap, like, my favorite. I'm like, I want to live with these guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're parking lots in the guy.

Speaker 2 Brilliant line delivery, too.

Speaker 1 I have a bonus category. The Ed Norton Reverse Dunk Award for did this movie need a random sports scene.

Speaker 1 Like, could there have been a double A baseball situation going on?

Speaker 3 That's a really good question is, does Truman get Yankee scores or something? Or did they create like a fake baseball league for him to follow?

Speaker 1 Was there a whole sports staff just writing fake stories about players that didn't exist?

Speaker 2 It's actually a really fun. I mean, this is where the first AB comes in.

Speaker 1 That's a whole props department conversation. They're making a full newspaper every day.
So what's in the middle of the day? So is there a newspaper?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, their newspaper seems to be just to cover up their own plot holes.
Right. Their newspaper seems to be very reactive to things falling out of the sky.

Speaker 3 Right. Airplane disasters.

Speaker 2 But I always thought about that in terms of obviously they're trying to mimic the real world. So they're trying to not like create a new reality.

Speaker 2 So people that are watching the show obviously want to see like their reality reflected in a weird way. But also the more you do that, the more you're sort of looking to the outside world.

Speaker 2 It creates like a

Speaker 2 sense of longing that there's something outside of Seahaven that I thought was like an interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Maybe lacrosse could have worked.
Sure. They got the helmets.
You know, you never would know who the players are. That's true.

Speaker 3 That would be funny if he comes out of the studio studio and he's like, so, like, what's going on in the world of lacrosse?

Speaker 1 You're like, the writers are just like, scurry.

Speaker 1 The Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film. What'd you have for this, Glenn?

Speaker 2 I know a lot of people are probably going to, I bet somebody's going to say Marlon.

Speaker 2 I didn't have Marlon. You don't have Marlon on there.
No.

Speaker 1 I think it could, there could.

Speaker 1 Tell me why.

Speaker 2 I actually don't think Marlon's the weak link of the movie.

Speaker 2 I find the dad

Speaker 2 storyline, I think I could have been better. Okay.

Speaker 2 In my personal opinion, I think he's sort of like

Speaker 2 we could have cast the net a little bit wider.

Speaker 1 In the research, they said there were extra Marlin scenes that made him

Speaker 1 just a little deeper of a character. Like more nefarious? No, like he tries to actually help Truman at one point.
Oh, really?

Speaker 2 I could totally see that.

Speaker 2 The reality is it's a very one-dimensional character.

Speaker 2 like i like the idea that they built this entire backstory that he's known him since seven but the thing that i kept being like really interested in is like how did that seven-year-old get cast yeah what does his life look like right what is the things that he's been living with like how has this affected actor you know what i mean that's what i'm saying i'm like he's a child actor too he's sort of in this different experience like he signed up at seven yeah i was like really interested in what that when when your best friend in the whole world is going through this crisis like what it actually looks like i was like that's cool to prequel

Speaker 1 oh that's you know what i'm kind of surprised that, well, we'll get to that. What do you have for a weak link?

Speaker 1 I don't have a weakest link, really.

Speaker 3 I think that I hear you about the dad. You know, it's like, I wonder whether or not, like, if that had been like Dennis Hopper.
Yeah. Does that famous actor

Speaker 1 hair?

Speaker 2 It's even more emotional. I feel like that, that storyline, because I feel like that storyline inherently is a, is a one that, opens up a whole can of worms plot wise.

Speaker 2 Like, how does he sneak back onto the studio? What's the conversation of getting him back on? Like if he's already having second thoughts about this, like that's a, that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 2 But I go, if you had somebody that was like really

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 someone that already had all this like empathetic or, you know,

Speaker 2 empathetic nature, we'd had it, we had a history, like a Hanks or like a hopper, somebody that we've trusted before, I think,

Speaker 2 you engage with that world differently.

Speaker 1 I had,

Speaker 1 I don't know what was fun about watching this TV show for 24 hours a day.

Speaker 1 I think I would have

Speaker 1 quickly.

Speaker 1 when they just think at some point I'm like, all right, let me guess. He's going to wake up, say hi to the neighbors, drive to work.
Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 3 They present it like

Speaker 3 there have been moments on the show that are as big as the Princess Diana, Prince Charles wedding. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 And that like people are at like make doing like live aid-sized crowds to watch Truman get married.

Speaker 3 And I get it because like that's the obvious nod that they're making, but it is sort of like, what are you doing on Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. when Truman's like cutting his nails?

Speaker 3 Are you at the Truman bar being like, wait, Trumaning?

Speaker 1 Truman has diarrhea.

Speaker 1 What's Age the Worst?

Speaker 2 I'll say this. The CGI to pull off the Princess Diana wedding shots to establish the outside world.

Speaker 2 I personally think that the, what's age the worst is like number one, the CGI of the actual bubble. Right.
That I was like, okay, we could have designed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, you could almost like redo that for the criterion.
No, 100%.

Speaker 2 I'm like, we could have just spent a little bit more time on this thing because it's kind of like one of the wish fulfillment things of the whole movie.

Speaker 2 But I just think the cutbacks to the real world, I would have wanted to see a little bit more ripple effects of the real world interacting.

Speaker 3 That was mine. It's limited.
What's the like, I honestly, even in, even in 1998, like

Speaker 3 it would have been cool if they got a little bit more into the ethical and legal.

Speaker 3 entanglements that this thing would have inevitably i guess it is cool that it's like this is just such a runaway hit that even these few naysayers who try to disrupt it they just become part of it almost and like when he's talking to lauren on the on in the during the interview and he's like no no no i love reconnecting with cast members even though she's she's saying that he's a liar and like evil but i do think it would have been cool like what's what's like the

Speaker 1 what does like the supreme court think about like a child being born to a corporation you know lauren would have been we should have had her in websage the best as somebody who's now devoted their life to like now

Speaker 1 like, Totally, come to my website. Here's my Truman podcast.
And you'd have nine things.

Speaker 2 There is something really fun about also the fact that, like, that was one of the things where I'm like, there, the fact that you took a kid, raised him in this bubble, adied to him in this whole thing.

Speaker 2 I'm like, there would be a lot of people trying to break into this, yes, this place. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 That's why I was like, when the dad likes stuff, the president's running on it, and I will shut down the Truman show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's age the worst? They filmed all the scenes of Truman's house at a residence in Florida that was Matt Gates' childhood home. Oh.

Speaker 1 I did hear this. I did not know that.

Speaker 1 So at TV, I just like McConaughey. That was just a tough beat for him to follow this movie with a similar premise.

Speaker 1 It's where the agent could have maybe been like, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Carry Peter Weir thing. Let's stay away.

Speaker 2 It's always happened over the course of time. It's like you release like.
White House Down and then release like Olympus is falling to you.

Speaker 3 Do Steve Prefontaine? Steve

Speaker 1 was the best one ever. The two in a row.
And then one was awesome. Yeah.
The without limits. My last what stage was worse.
So, Meryl, Laura Lenny's character. So

Speaker 1 professional escort?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 an actor who has a fake marriage with somebody that she's clearly having sex with. And this is this, what's her next job after this?

Speaker 3 Yeah, because at 34.

Speaker 3 And presumably she might have had a child with Truman by this point, but if they're like, look, at 35, you can, you can, we can just get you divorced and and you can move out of Seahaven or whatever.

Speaker 1 She drown you.

Speaker 1 What are the late 30s looking like for her after that? Yeah, yeah, the Truman show got a little action. Yeah, what does the next job look like after the Truman show?

Speaker 1 Having sex on camera is a little weird.

Speaker 1 I never, never understood that.

Speaker 2 She thinks her career is going to look a little different after the Truman show. Yeah.

Speaker 3 She says, I'm going to be in like out of Africa, right?

Speaker 1 Rufflohan and Rubinik Partridge Over Acting Award. Did you have one?

Speaker 3 Philip Baker Hall makes the most out of it. I mean, he's still always making up scenes.
But he's just like, the network.

Speaker 1 I'm the president of the network.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. All right.

Speaker 1 The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award.
Did you bring a hottest take?

Speaker 2 I'll tell you my hottest feelings.

Speaker 2 I love Jim Carrey in this movie. My hot take is I do think this movie could have potentially

Speaker 2 been really good with Tom Hanks.

Speaker 1 That's good. You got to go for the head there.

Speaker 3 That's great. So talk us through it.

Speaker 1 You almost said Tom Cruise or you said that Tom,

Speaker 2 with Cruz, it turns into the, you know, my favorite report. You know, it's like what you don't want to do is you don't want to feel like a paranoid thriller.

Speaker 2 The reason Jim Carrey is so good in this movie is it takes, it, it brushes all that away. It's a guy who's grown up in a, you know, a very manicured existence.

Speaker 2 I will say that for me, Hanks represents the everyman that you sort of root for. Like he sort of feels like a guy.
Like some of these moments would just be a little more subtle.

Speaker 2 I don't know if they'd be as much fun to watch, but I would engage with the movie, I think with the Tom Hanks in a different way because he doesn't feel like an everyman.

Speaker 2 Like you, again, we talked about only get so many buy-ins of the movie. I feel like the buy-in is that now you have a normal guy who's realizing that he's not normal.

Speaker 2 Jim Carrey is so over the top as a person. Obviously, his existence has been manicured, so you could justify that.

Speaker 2 But I find that Hanks would represent a little bit more of an everyman who's realizing that he represents something to the world. And that debate of do I leave this existence or stay here?

Speaker 2 I think it'd just be a different, it would be a different movie, but I would love to see what that movie looks like.

Speaker 1 Cruise, definitely. They add a running scene over the bridge.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Sailboat scene at the end would just be smashed.

Speaker 1 He's definitely hanging from the sailboat.

Speaker 2 No, he's hanging from the moon, man.

Speaker 1 He's filming his own sailboat scene.

Speaker 1 He said, no, no, this has to be an actual sailboat accident this is going to be the actual moon yeah i want you to hit me with real waves what do you have for out of stake uh kind of similar to what glenn said i would have the first director attached this movie was brian de palma oh and i would like to see these like a sex

Speaker 3 paranoid truman's cutting up magazine pictures of women and trying to recreate lauren like we get maybe melanie griffith playing meryl you know there's like oh yeah just a lot more like i think of the sort of debased psychology of this character.

Speaker 1 They definitely have sex on the beach. Yeah.
I mean, it could have come out that way.

Speaker 3 And I just think that would have been amazing.

Speaker 1 All right. Mine's a little complex.

Speaker 1 I think 1998 is in the running for the greatest checking all the boxes movie year we've ever had. Okay.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to give you all these different categories that I created five minutes ago.

Speaker 1 All these different types of movies that can come out in a year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Drama, Saving Private Rwandan. Provocative drama, American History X.
Foreign, Life is Beautiful. Beloved Movie Nerd Movie, Out of Sight.
Guys movie, Rounders.

Speaker 1 Great comedy, There's Something About Mary. Cult Comedy, Big Lebowski.
Goofy Comedy, Wedding Singer. Conspiracy, Enemy of the State.
Political, Primary Colors. War, Thin Red Line.

Speaker 1 Sports Movie, He Got Game. Horror, Halloween H2O.
Action. Armageddon.
Well done for me and CR action, Ronin. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. CR.
Sci-Fi, Truman Truman Show. Sci-fi horror blade.
Rom-com.

Speaker 1 You've got male. Black rom-com.
Stella got a groove back. Corny drama, Patch Adams, High School, Can't Hardly Wait.
Fucked up Indie movie, Your Friends and Neighbors. You seen that one? No.

Speaker 1 It's a fucked up indie movie. TV turn movie, X-Files, Animated A Bug's Life, and Kids Parent Trap.

Speaker 2 That's a damn good movie.

Speaker 1 If you use all that, like, think about how many categories I've just listed, and we have an awesome one for each one. Let's get, let's go back.
Let's just put 98. Let's put 98.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's, let's make make this happen again in 2016 it would be amazing if fantasy had been here and he was like actually it's 1934

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 tucky barnes like you know like but i just i felt like we had so much more variety i know tv's ruined some of this and some of this stuff goes scripted like if you did chad powers yeah in 98 it just would have been a 90-minute sports movie Well, I think one of the things that we talked about is potentially doing it as a movie.

Speaker 2 But what you start to realize is

Speaker 2 the way that I conceptualize it is I was like, do I want to see the breaking bad movie before the breaking bad show? No, you want to watch Walter White incrementally make decisions that change.

Speaker 2 You know, you want, you want to be with him on every single one of those things. It doesn't have as much satisfaction if you.

Speaker 1 But in 98, you don't have that choice. They're like, no, you have 100 minutes max.
Yeah. And it's $14 million and you can have two stars.
Yeah. Go.

Speaker 3 It's also like this is, you go back to those years and you look at like, the calendar of releases, like you were at the movies once a week, if not two or three. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And you gotta come back. We had a lot.

Speaker 2 lot this was an awesome movie year and it feels like yeah feels like we're we're climbing back i also feel like when you know people always think that like tick tock or instagram like you know siphon you know eyeballs away from movies i also feel like it also connects us into those cultural moments that really resonate like i feel like those things say like hey this thing's awesome i just think you can't there's like this era that i feel like people just accepted that people went to the movies there's like the 98 where you're like all those movies are killer movies yeah and now that there was like a thing we're like oh we, we just, we just accepted that people go to the movies and there wasn't as much like artistry or intention behind it.

Speaker 2 And I think we're coming back to where it's like, the only way you open a movie is when it's really damn good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
The word of mouth is.

Speaker 2 Running man, November 14th.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're getting that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But that's the only way you actually get to people to go to the movies because like ahead of time, like two, three weeks ahead of time, you know if it's a stinker or not.

Speaker 1 You might with Running Man, you might just have to be like, got to see it in the IMAX. That just seems to work now.
Like Rewatchables episode of Glenn Powell, you got to see in the IMAX.

Speaker 1 You know what? It's totally different. It's totally different.

Speaker 3 The second time I saw One Battle, I just saw it like, you know, in a, in a relatively half full, like regular AMC theater. And I was like, this is still awesome.

Speaker 3 You know, like, you know, it's like, you don't always have to like go to the greatest possible experience.

Speaker 2 I will say when we went shooting, like, it always bums me out when people tell me like they saw Top Gun on an airplane.

Speaker 2 I'm like, bro, you just missed out on that whole, like, I'm up there, you know, everybody's puking and passing out in jets. And like, you know, we shoot it all in IMAX.

Speaker 2 You, you invented cameras for things. There was like so much.
And I'm like, to experience that movie in IMAX was such a blast. Like, even it's like, it's like watching.

Speaker 3 Dudes were saluting the screen in one of the theaters.

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Carrie's price tag was $20 million a movie at the time 10 less than glenn um

Speaker 1 but he took 12 that's a little discount and he said it was the fastest he'd ever accepted a role there's some stuff about they talked to sam jackson about i don't my detector went off if i didn't believe it gary oldman was the other one gary when they did screen tests for yeah but i don't think they actually offered it to him yeah that's a carry fallback um Dennis Hopper was supposed to be Christoph and was Christoph and filmed two days of scenes.

Speaker 1 And then they talked to Ed Harris about this.

Speaker 2 I shot a movie with Ed Harris and he said he got cast like a couple days before he shot this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, crazy. Yeah.
So Hopper said he got fired after two days

Speaker 1 because Weir and Scott Rudin, the producer, didn't like him.

Speaker 1 Hopper leaves. They try to get Jack Nicholson.

Speaker 1 Nicholson's buddies with Hopper is like, I can't do that.

Speaker 1 So they end up with Ed Harris. And Brian DePalma turned it down, as CR mentioned,

Speaker 1 which is

Speaker 1 a different movie to say the least.

Speaker 3 Terry Gilliam and Barry Sonefeld were also circling.

Speaker 2 Interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Terry Gilliam would have made a very interesting film out of this.

Speaker 1 Best That Guy Award. It can't go to Giamatti because he's now Paul Giamatti.
But the Asian guy from Karate Kid 2.

Speaker 1 The bad guy.

Speaker 1 Of course I was. Wait.
Yeah. The guy Danielson fights in the end.

Speaker 1 The evil guy.

Speaker 2 What did you want? Snyder?

Speaker 1 Oh, the big guy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're talking to the big guy.

Speaker 1 No, the guy Danielson in Karate Kid 2.

Speaker 2 Wait, he's in this movie? Yeah, he's

Speaker 3 a family that's hanging out on the table watching.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's

Speaker 1 you're kidding. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I totally missed that.

Speaker 1 He he regrouped after Dana sign kicked his ass and got really into Truman Show. Yeah.
Yeah. Deion Waiter's a word.
Are we giving this to Natasha?

Speaker 3 No, this goes to Giamatti. Giamatti's in like four scenes.
He is ridiculous in this movie. Like this is a nothing, nothing burger part.
Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 3 And when he's just like, he doesn't even care if he drowns.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh my God.

Speaker 2 It's very grounded. He has a very grounded performance for knowing that he probably shot two days on soundstage.

Speaker 2 You agree with Giamani? No, you know, you know what I, you know what, a role is the, the, the, the woman who's next to Giamani.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes. Yeah.
I find what's really, really funny about that performance.

Speaker 1 Chloe, I think her name is. Chloe.

Speaker 2 She, they shoot her. I don't, I wonder what happened in the edit because they shoot her like she's a super important character in several of the most pivotal moments.
But she never says anything.

Speaker 2 But she never says anything. Like, you know what I mean? So I was like, something happened.

Speaker 3 I think they just cut her apart out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, like something like a bad fallout in post or something.

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened, but I there's like, I'll show her.

Speaker 2 Do you ever do you ever see, like, in like in movies sometimes where like all of a sudden you see like somebody like that's framed up important?

Speaker 2 Like, they have a really good, it's like deep focus, like perfect line, and you're like, that that is that character comes out to you like on your coming, like, coming up days cut out of stuff before, but but but I always just notice it in movies where I'm like, oh, that thing is framed importantly, and she was framed, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, in all the climactic moments, she's, yeah, recasting couch director City as As Marlon,

Speaker 1 can I test drive Sam Jackson for you guys?

Speaker 1 It's interesting.

Speaker 2 Test drive away.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 1 Just, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Just volatile, you know?

Speaker 1 A little more of a, maybe I just wanted a little extra from Marlon, and I'm not sure what I wanted, but some sort of

Speaker 1 whose side is he on. I just felt like there was more there.
There's more meat on that bone.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know who the actor, but that was one of the. Yeah.

Speaker 3 We could have been, maybe he could have been the cross-the-street neighbors that Truman's always greeting.

Speaker 1 Good morning, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 Seaham is so intense.

Speaker 1 Craig, you have flex category. Yeah, so you know how we have the Vincent Chase Award for are we sure this character is actually good at his job?

Speaker 1 I want to nominate the opposite award, and now we're calling it the Christoph Truman Show Award for the character who is unbelievably good at their job. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Truman, I mean, Christoph threw a perfect game for 35 years.

Speaker 1 Fucking Jerry Bruckheimer.

Speaker 1 I mean, pretty much just him in this room sniffed out the fact that truman was was faking sleeping he's feeding lines to everybody live like the guy is cooking at the highest level yeah 24 hours a day 24 hours a day it's just him he's like the best best things ever another thing that that that if we're talking about they were talking about the gdp of this economy that booth had to be bigger than that i know they really they they got they got the the studio called and cut the budget last minute on in a few on a few so the implication though is that they they have put a dome over Burbank, California, basically, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they show the continental United States.

Speaker 1 It's huge. Are we doing this? Yeah, I mean, this was obviously the biggest nitpick.
How fucking big is this place? How did they have all the water? How did they have all the electricity?

Speaker 1 How did nothing ever go wrong? That's one of the things. Even like the Staples Center has had four accidents

Speaker 1 in 20 years. Like the sphere on that.

Speaker 1 It's basically like Disney World or something. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, also, one of my nitpicks was that I was like,

Speaker 2 are lights falling from the sky? Are isolated thunderstorms happening? Are the frequency things happening?

Speaker 2 Why is this happening now? Right. That I could have just used a little external pressure to understand

Speaker 2 why things are going wrong now. Because you're right, Christoph is throwing a perfect game.

Speaker 1 I mean, my God, 35 years he's been doing this.

Speaker 1 The radio frequency, if that doesn't happen,

Speaker 1 maybe there's

Speaker 1 it. Yeah.
Yeah. Half-Fast Center research.

Speaker 1 Just quickly, this was filmed in Seaside, Florida, which is a master planned community in the Florida panhandle. I have no idea what that means.
What is master planned?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like a planned community.

Speaker 2 Manufactured homes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Disney was going to do that stuff, like where it was like you would have like these towns that were like, they do.

Speaker 1 Disney has one in Palm Springs.

Speaker 2 It's very manicured. Like, nobody's building their own house.
It's like, here's the floor plan.

Speaker 1 Look cool. Disney has one called Cotino in Palm Springs, right? Is this what they were doing in succession with this Kendall Royce thing? Yes.

Speaker 1 So living with the old people could have media and people coming to visit them.

Speaker 1 Laura Linney studied Sears catalogs from the 50s to develop her poses. I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 1 Greta Gerwig consulted Weir for Barbie because she wanted to create that world, which made total sense. Yeah.
I saw that.

Speaker 1 Before the boat stops, we see the number 139 on its sail, which is, I guess, for some Psalm 139. Yeah.
Some stuff in there.

Speaker 1 And then Carrie improvised a bunch of stuff, including the True Mania Mania bit when he was drawn on the mirror. Last thing,

Speaker 1 there's this thing called Truman Syndrome. Are you aware of this?

Speaker 1 That started in the 2000s with people who have some version of schizophrenia where they believe their lives are reality television shows.

Speaker 1 And the writer said, Andrew Nichols said, you know, you made it when you have a disease named after you. These people

Speaker 1 constantly think they're being filmed.

Speaker 3 I have two more. One is another nickel thing, which is the original script is set in Manhattan.
It's an alternate, alternative Manhattan. And it was much darker.

Speaker 3 There was an innocent passenger attack on a subway that was supposed to test Truman's courage, which is Truman show Death Wish, kind of like that.

Speaker 3 And Truman had a platonic relationship with a prostitute who he dressed as Sylvia. That would have been the Diploma part.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's amazing.

Speaker 3 And then Peter Weir, when this movie was like, I think after the movie came out, he said he had a crazy idea at one time, which was impossible technically.

Speaker 3 I would would have loved to have had a video camera installed in every theater the film was being seen in.

Speaker 3 At one point, the projectionist would cut the power and it would cut to the viewers in the cinema watching the movie. But I thought it would be best to leave that idea untested.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's one of those great idea can't actually happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a bit much. We get podcasts pitched to us like that.
Well, what if we're hanging out upside like an NBA game and we're in the next to the Jumbotron doing a live broadcast of it.

Speaker 1 It's like, sounds good. Apex Mountain.

Speaker 1 Jim Carrey, I'm going to say yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is Apex Mountain for Jim Carrey?

Speaker 1 I think this is right in the middle of this crazy run that he had, 1998. He's got, he's had all the success.
This is his first drama. It's well received.
Liar Liars around there.

Speaker 1 I think he's like the most powerful actor in Hollywood other than maybe Hanks.

Speaker 1 And Cruz, but Cruz is doing eyes wide shit.

Speaker 3 This is also a movie where you're like, well, you can do anything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're actually right. Yeah.
Because this is like, yeah, you're right. This is the end.

Speaker 2 There's, this is like not the end of the run, but it is the third act of that, that crazy seven-year run that you're talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it is. Laura Linney, not yet.

Speaker 1 Ed Harris.

Speaker 3 What is Laura Linney's Apex Mountain just out of curiosity?

Speaker 1 She's had a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 Probably somewhere in the early 2000s, though, right? When she does you can count on me, and she just becomes one of the most respected actresses.

Speaker 3 Is that when Primal Fear is Primal Fear? Primal Fear is 96.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's somewhere in here. Yeah.
yeah, okay. Um, Ed Harris, I don't know, probably early 90s.

Speaker 3 This is like when he's doing action movies and stuff like that. He's in a couple of Michael Bennett Paul 13s, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 that's right around here, yeah, hidden camera movies. Yes, Death Set C, I still think ordinary people's well, you made that category up, yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys weirded out, I thought you'd be with it. You're like, what's going on with you?

Speaker 3 But it's just one of those things where it's like, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 I don't know what opinion.

Speaker 1 I gotta think about these things. Peter Weir, Dead poets yes

Speaker 2 you think this over dead poets you know the thing about i i think this is a way more complex i think the vision of this movie is way more complex than dead okay i think i think even even just the way the the camera angles of like where you hide things how you build this thing it's it's much more of a world-building thing i think this is a very tough movie to direct

Speaker 1 Moco Coco Coffee, definitely. Yeah.
Noah Emmerich, probably still beautiful girls. It's a big scene.
He learned the guys.

Speaker 1 He learned the guys that the MacDown characters get the shit kicked out of him. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Reality TV warning movies. Definitely.

Speaker 1 That's all I had for Apex Mountain. Cruiser Hanks.
We said Hanks. Scorsese or Spielberg, Spielberg.
Spielberg. Yeah.
What role would Philip Seymour Hoffen have played? Claude. Marlon Truman's buddy.

Speaker 1 Marlon. He would have shot.
Yeah, he would have shit. Easily.
I think he was probably too young in 98. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's a great casting, though. That's Marlon.

Speaker 3 He would have played the Peter Krauss role, like the guy who works in the insurance agency with him.

Speaker 1 What if it was Marlon, but he played it exactly like Freddie and tells Mr. Ripley?

Speaker 1 Hey, Truman. Hey, Truman.
How's the peeping?

Speaker 1 Picking knits.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I'm not even talking 98. When Truman's a kid, were the cameras and Wi-Fi really this good?

Speaker 1 No. Like in like 1981?

Speaker 1 We were able to do this.

Speaker 2 Hardwires. Yeah, everything's hardwired.
You're right.

Speaker 1 I was caring in high school in the late 80s, carrying around like, you know, this giant video camera that would like sink your shoulder after 10 minutes. They shot 20 cameras

Speaker 3 on like DV cameras that were really small. Like, I don't know when that comes out, like 2001.
And that you can barely watch that movie now because of like the film quality.

Speaker 3 So I don't think Truman's show

Speaker 3 realistically would have looked like this, obviously. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We mentioned how did you pay all the actors and extras

Speaker 1 and was this just their job forever? And what was in it for them? If you really want to be,

Speaker 1 would you have wanted to be an actor in this for 10 years? I mean, it just depends on what you, it depends where.

Speaker 2 Like, you know what? One of my favorite scenes is, is when he gets on the bus and the guy like pretends to like, like, to fall out of the car and whatever.

Speaker 2 It reminded me, like, it felt like we were in the far corners of the universe where like he wasn't expecting this to happen.

Speaker 2 All the, all the background on the bus, like, just kind of get up and like move.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody's like, has like their own life.

Speaker 2 They're like, oh, this, nobody thought the C team was really going to make it on screen.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 I did, I did sort of like that world creation. It felt intentional that nobody felt real.

Speaker 3 It brings up a really good thing, though, because on the bus, the little girl breaks and is looking at him and is like, is that him? Is that him?

Speaker 3 How would you get kids to behave themselves on this show?

Speaker 3 You know what I mean? Like, how would you get a bunch of children to not be like, I watch your TV show. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't. But that's why this movie, we forgot to mention this.
So what's age the best, Craig? Hour 41.

Speaker 1 Now, I would argue, and this is one of the rare cases where I could have taken 10 more minutes of this movie.

Speaker 1 Craig's very passionate in no movie should be more than 100 minutes unless there's an incredible reason. Two hours occasionally, but I was like, oh, wow.
There were some moments.

Speaker 1 I just, you know, I love a quick movie, but I, there, like the, the woman they introduced to like be his new love interest, that's not unexplored at all. You probably could have taken a scene of that.

Speaker 1 I could have seen him unraveling a little bit more, trying to figure things out a little bit more. I don't know.
I could have taken 10 more minutes. Hour 43 is tight.

Speaker 1 We've done rewatchables where Craig just looks the movie up and it's like 89 minutes and he's like, yes, sir. We knew what we were doing right back in the 80s movies, movies, man.

Speaker 1 What any more pick and nits for you?

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, just the idea that Christophe like goes full Old Testament on him at the end and no one is like sort of stopping.

Speaker 2 Like, I thought that was like an opportunity to really world build, show the chaos of a man who's like desperate to keep this, his creation alive.

Speaker 2 Like, I thought that I thought it felt too calm up in this, in the moment.

Speaker 3 It was also just like, what's the plan? If he's like, okay, I'll stay.

Speaker 2 And Christoph now has a TV show that costs like $500 million dollars a year the amount of money that also like he's not the only one invested like there's clearly yeah a giant machine invested in him not getting out of this thing i just thought i thought there was interesting ways to explore that so one picket net i had so he was just gonna kill truman what happens if truman died in the budget i think he was trying to Okay, so I think that's left to

Speaker 3 the audience to decide. But I was interpreting it as he is trying to traumatize this guy so much in the water that he turns around and goes back and never tries to leave again.

Speaker 3 And that they can sort of like, now we can try to fix this, but I don't know if he was ever going to murder him.

Speaker 3 I know he does say he was born on camera, he'll die on camera, kind of right.

Speaker 2 Like, I mean, it's like, I created you, like, you know, like that, that's what, that's what feels very Old Testament, but like, where it's like, I created you, I can take you, I brought you in, I, you know, everything that you've experienced that's any sort of value, I have been a part of.

Speaker 2 I thought it was a very,

Speaker 2 I think it's a very, very, that, that was one of my favorite parts is the, the, conversation that happens to the moon like right before he leaves.

Speaker 3 It's such a you can listen, you can speak Truman. I can hear you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 3 Uh, speaking of that, my one

Speaker 3 picking it, it's basically the reverse of the overacting award.

Speaker 3 If, if I have lived my entire life and found out that it's been a television show, and then I sail a boat across a sea and it runs into like a piece of drywall, I'm freaking out.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm losing my mind. It's like Jack Waltz with the horse head in his his chest.
I'm like, ah!

Speaker 1 There's no like, oh,

Speaker 1 weird. I'm gonna be able to try to find a door.

Speaker 3 I am losing my mind.

Speaker 1 That's a great point.

Speaker 1 Truman jerking off, having sex, all that stuff. Like,

Speaker 1 I know they just went to commercial or whatever they did. They never cut to commercial.

Speaker 1 Taking a dump. There's a lot of stuff that if you don't know you're being filmed all the time, maybe it wouldn't have been great for Truman.

Speaker 1 I don't know also also never showing uh a second shift in the moon that's right oh same same cast of six characters in the moon 24 hours a day right for 35 that's right five seasons yeah it's a tough gig you know sequel prequel prestige tv all blackcaster untouchable we you talked me into a prequel nope film as kids um

Speaker 1 prestige tv maybe but i i think this is an untouchable I think prestige TV would have been an interesting approach. Can I pitch you on a sequel? Yeah.
So he has a kid with Laura Lenny.

Speaker 1 He impregnates her. And then while she's pregnant, or maybe even before he knows she's pregnant, he escapes.

Speaker 1 The new baby is born into the new world

Speaker 1 and is now the new young Truman. And it's now him trying to infiltrate to get back in to get his son out.

Speaker 2 Solid.

Speaker 1 That's a solid movie.

Speaker 1 I'm into that. I'm into that.
Glenn just signed on. Bro, see,

Speaker 1 are we doing this? He's dropping from 20 to 12.

Speaker 2 Sorry, I just got to drop out of Miami Vice Road.

Speaker 1 Is this movie better with Wayne Jackets, Danny Treyo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bills, Sam Jackson, Nell?

Speaker 1 Nell would have been interesting in this community. Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth.
Do you know who Nell is, Glenn? Because I still don't.

Speaker 3 Do you know who? The Jody Foster character, Nell.

Speaker 1 Do you know what that means? Because I don't. In what movie? Jody Foster made a movie called Nell where she lived in the woods and talked her own language.
And I think she got nominated for an Oscar.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's now a comedy.

Speaker 2 I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 She just like does that for two hours. It's like her and Liam Neeson.
And Liam Neeson's like, I want to help you learn English, Nell. She's like,

Speaker 1 you know what?

Speaker 1 It's really sucking.

Speaker 2 What am I kind of fantasizing?

Speaker 2 We have a production office on the Universal lot. And one of my

Speaker 2 fantasies is to create fake movie posters with some of my actor buddies and just.

Speaker 2 see if people lie like they've like actually seen it.

Speaker 1 That's really good. Yeah.
That's the greatest. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like Nell would definitely be like that.

Speaker 1 Remember like she's in the woods, she's doing the thing.

Speaker 1 It's really bad. We'll send you the trailer.

Speaker 3 We didn't actually do it. Do you want to do Collinsworth?

Speaker 1 No, you, were you going to do... I'll do, I'll just say, this is what would have happened if Wayne Jenkins.

Speaker 3 Did you ever watch We Own the City with John Bernthal? This isn't going to hit as hard then.

Speaker 1 No, it's going to, you got to do it. Here's a crazy Baltimore cop.

Speaker 3 Bernthal was playing the Peter Krause part.

Speaker 1 God damn, Truman.

Speaker 3 I didn't know I was working with the BTK killer. You better start cutting.

Speaker 3 You better stop cutting pictures of ladies up from those fashion magazines or they're going to be making a Ryan Murphy limited serious about you. Now get him the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 So he plays a Baltimore cop in this show. Yes.
Where he basically does that speech.

Speaker 1 Can you add that to my development slate as well? Thank you. Ryan Murphy, definitely.

Speaker 2 I did find that not in one moment in that movie did the cut-up magazines look like a human face. Yes.
I could have, I could have used, if he spent all this time every day, I could have used like

Speaker 3 a really disturbing vehicle to show like how how in the head he was getting from this whole do you think though there is like first take for the truman show like there's sports talk shows all day where it's like truman needs to step up

Speaker 2 he has not gotten promoted at sea haven insurance for a long time yeah and we're starting to wonder if he's still got it you know can i tell you that that is like where i was like like if you that's where like for me like the real world stuff when we cut to the guy in the bathtub or the bar bike i was like oh we could have gotten so much more world building in such a smaller sense like the people that like have talk shows that are literally built around this guy like analyzing what's happening like what was that guy's name mike michelson yeah he was like the post-game host air sharing's guy yeah but like why can't we have jim roam come on for a second there and just be like you're in the jungle we're talking true today

Speaker 1 uh just one oscar who gets it I have weir. I think,

Speaker 1 I actually think that was the best case for him. I thought this movie was so well crafted.
I was bit for saving private ryan. No, but if only one got it.
Yeah, I think he is the best case. I agree.

Speaker 1 I thought the way it's filmed, it was really ahead of its time. It feels like a 2015 movie almost.
Since 1998.

Speaker 3 Andrew Nicol,

Speaker 3 only just because I just think this is one of the great original screenplays of that decade. And it just seems like so cool that he went from this is like a dark thriller set in New York City.

Speaker 3 to I can, I can just rewrite this over and over and over again until we get it to where it is. Now, I know there's a lot of improv and probably other stuff going on, but still.

Speaker 2 Did Andrew Nicoll write this draft, the Seahaven draft, or did he draft New York?

Speaker 3 He said he wrote like 12, 12 versions of this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Unanswerable questions.

Speaker 1 Was Christoph evil? I think is a good one. Yeah.
Like, was he actually like an evil guy? I

Speaker 1 leaning toward yes, but he might have just been deranged. I don't really know the answer.
Because he becomes kind of evil as this movie goes along.

Speaker 2 You also, I always love how people justify their ways in the world. Like with all great villains, like they don't look at themselves.

Speaker 2 You can like pop into those moments and go like, oh, wow, this guy's like what he did. But like, he's sort of like looking at himself as a father figure.

Speaker 2 He's like the way he's justifying his place, he's protecting him from the evil outside. Like he's like almost nurturing this, this guy that he truly loves.
Like that's, that's his mentality.

Speaker 2 That's why it's like he doesn't.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think you could definitely get into the politics of kidnapping a child and raising him in a bubble.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 I think for him, I think that's one of the great performances. I love how committed Ed Harris is to the.

Speaker 3 You know what I didn't notice until this most recent watch is Harry Shearer, when he's interviewing Christoph, goes, and I know you really guard your privacy.

Speaker 3 Can you imagine the irony of this guy being a guarded person, but he's like, this guy has to be on camera all the time? It makes it

Speaker 3 that much more like profound what he's doing.

Speaker 1 I think for an answer, well, you got to move in the Zawat Neo award for what happened the next day.

Speaker 1 What were Truman's next 24 hours like? Straight to Vacation.

Speaker 2 California Pizza Kitchen.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh my God, Burbank. What's going on out here? Yeah, so he's in.
Yeah. We figure he's in.
The TMZ bus? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 We think he's in California. He's in Burbank.
He's in Burbank. Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 3 Foster's freeze.

Speaker 1 So he's just kind of wandering down Hollywood Boulevard just doing this. Just like a lot of guys on Hollywood Boulevard.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think they say it's Burbank. I think it's more Van Euys.
I think it probably bleeds a little bit into Burbank just to get the.

Speaker 1 He walks down Hollywood Boulevard and he's like, I'll go back in the dome.

Speaker 1 yeah so i don't know where he was

Speaker 1 i met spike

Speaker 1 this is a lot christoph you're one in batman uh what piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie

Speaker 1 i'm going christophe beret really good really good uh i guess i would take the the the dicer peeler grater that that literally had that's a good one i was thinking his ring but actually what i would want is the original poster that the guy made Like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 First edition. Oh, interesting.
Here's the prototype of the poster we're going to use. I think would be

Speaker 1 Coach Finstock Award, Best Life Lesson.

Speaker 1 What else is on? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or just was like, yeah, we spent 35 years with this guy. Hey, change Sano.
Cool. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me. Right.

Speaker 1 Best double feature choice, The Matrix. Oh, that's interesting.
Would you, I would go

Speaker 1 Gattica, Under Scene, other Andrew Nicol, nickel he directed that one pretty cool i'd go the game the game yes good call glenn's like i'll go the running man for mirror the running

Speaker 2 november 14th honestly guys great double feature i'm just saying uh who won the movie i think carry

Speaker 1 is there peter weir case

Speaker 1 what was it i think it is carry but i think the the peter weir like he needed this one Master and Commander is like the next one after this, I believe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I don't know if he did. I don't think that means he won it.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 I think, I think, I think, I think it's Carrie.

Speaker 1 I think Carrie won it. Yeah, it's Carrie.
Craig, what do you got? Craig, had you seen this movie? Yeah, many times. Okay.

Speaker 1 And this is one of those movies that I don't know when is the first time I watched it, but just kind of always felt like

Speaker 1 one of the first few movies my dad showed me when I was like growing up. It's like, oh, you got to see the sandlight.
You got to see Die Hard. You got to see Truman Show.

Speaker 1 It's just like always been in the lexicon, I feel like the Truman Show. So yeah, I haven't seen it in a while, though.
It's just one of the all-time concepts.

Speaker 1 Like the first five minutes of the film, there's no way you're turning it off. It's incredibly re-watchable.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 and it only getting aging better and better. It's so prophetic.
People do like there are YouTubers now or influencers like Emma Chamberlain, who's at Spotify, or like Kai Sennett.

Speaker 1 Yeah, those people will literally stream their lives 24/7. Like, Emma Chamberlain and Kai Sennett will film themselves sleeping every night.

Speaker 3 Jeez.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, we're kind of living in that reality where people are willing to do this, which is pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 The closest thing I ever get to that is like, there's a guy who has a YouTube channel, but he edits these, but it's like, he goes camping with his dog and he like cooks like these really growing meals.

Speaker 1 I believe he recently, he shut down. He stopped doing it.
Did he? Yes, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 But it was like, oh, like, this is really relaxing to watch this guy like set up his campsite, make a, like a T-bone with like a bunch of sides, his dog's kind of hanging out.

Speaker 3 And I was like, this is beautiful, but like, it's like, they're like 30 minutes. They're not like 24 hours or something like that.

Speaker 2 I think there's always like, like, from the, from the beginning of like entertainment, I think like people crave truth and crave reality the i irony is like on this one it's like all manicured it's all fake so like there's a whole commentary on like what we're being fed in terms of reality shows and what actually is real but i do think the kai sennett thing the reason that people are so engaged is like that thing does not cut yeah yeah and he's doing nothing Yeah, and people are engaging just on the idea that they're experiencing something real, even if it's.

Speaker 1 Exactly. There's a bit of a, there's a kind of a pushback, like a boomerang effect now, where we've kind of been in the, in the 21st century media world for so long and everything has been manicured.

Speaker 1 we're so aware of that that now things are turning the other way and we actually want that kind of raw material and the influencers are they know that and they're like yeah i'll film myself 24 7 like you can watch me get up in the morning and it's interesting i wonder if part of it is like there it's just a more lonely society post covid people are let people maybe aren't around each other as

Speaker 1 relationships yeah you have like this this oh kai's my guy and that's like your friend that you've never met it's also interesting in truman show like i i was i was thinking about again it's the rack focus movie of looking at the old women with the Truman pillow, the guy in the bathtub, the other bar.

Speaker 2 It's like, there's a sense of power that people get being like a little omniscient, like, you know, a little, a little like having like a place of like going, well, at least I'm, I'm more aware than this like person, like, or at least my life's not this, like, or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 Like the fact that they're not partaking in life, they're glued to those couches and they're watching a guy live a fake reality, but it represents real reality.

Speaker 2 Like, this is the reality they're living in. I think it's a very fascinating, you know, study of how we engage with the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's the people that are technically providing us content on TikTok, you meet them in real life, they are glued to their phones. They are not participating in shit.

Speaker 2 And it's like, it's just a fascinating, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't say anything because I watched the NFL for 14 straight hours on Sunday, literally from 6:30 to 8:30. Yeah.
14 straight hours.

Speaker 1 And at one point, I went on the treadmill for 45 minutes just to feel like I was doing something. It's like blood flowing in the lower half of your body.
So, you know, we all have our things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it is, it, it is, we talked about the reality TV angle, but the social media angle of this movie, I think, is definitely the 2020s. Did you guys know that?

Speaker 3 So, is Running Man, is your, without giving too much away, is your Running Man set a little in the future, or is it kind of like, how did you, where did you guys see it?

Speaker 2 Well, the original Stephen King book takes place in 2025,

Speaker 2 which is, which is wild.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't know. The original Running Man book, Richard Bachman, aka Stephen King, wrote it, I believe, in in 82.

Speaker 2 And it's set in 2025,

Speaker 2 where all of this stuff, like in terms of like, you know, deep fakes and sort of where we are with reality TV and how sort of the bloodlust of the world, all that stuff is like, it's all already baked into the book, which is, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 We, the world looks,

Speaker 2 we don't really specify a date, but it's, it's, it's a little five minutes in the future.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 And then with Edgar, like, were you somebody who was like, I'm watching Hot Fuzz like once a year, pretty much? Like, had you been a fan of his forever?

Speaker 2 I've been a fan of Edgar my whole life. I mean, Edgar Wright movies, for me, are some of the most well-crafted movies of any filmmaker out there.
And he's played in all these different genres.

Speaker 2 And I think the thing that when you look at like Hot Fuzz, when you look at, you know, Baby Driver, you're like, this is an action director, a guy that can like literally, even though it's a comedy, Hot Fuzz, you watch it and you're like, you're kind of parroting, you know, you know, Michael Bay shots, you know, these sort of crazy parallax shots, these big, big slow-mo shootout things, but they're undeniably amazing action sequences.

Speaker 2 And so getting to watch Edgar on this movie, like truly unleash and like take that weapon and just like send it, it was just awesome.

Speaker 1 It was just awesome. You're high on this movie.
I could tell. We can usually sift through those.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 This movie rocks.

Speaker 2 Like when I tell you, it rocks. Like I got to watch it with all the theater owners the other night.
and it played like a rock concert. They were like, they were losing their minds.

Speaker 2 It's, it's, it's, again, not to say like, we should watch this podcast in IMAX, but you should also watch.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you should also watch Running At IMAX because it's like it's like one of those that was like,

Speaker 2 it plays in a big screen format. That's really cool.

Speaker 1 Would Cruise be proud?

Speaker 2 Cruise is going to see it. I get to show it to him in a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah.
He's he's going to love it.

Speaker 1 Honestly. Do you lean on Cruz? Do you ask him advice?

Speaker 2 He's like one of those guys. He's like your girl.

Speaker 2 You know what's really great about Cruz is think about his like education, like the 90s that you're talking about. He's played in all these different genres.

Speaker 2 His skill set and his education is so singular.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's very few people right now in this phase of my career, I can ask like a question to that I'm like, hey, when you're getting blown off a bridge and they're about to light this thing up, like, what do you, what are you thinking about?

Speaker 2 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 He's like, he's like, I'm thinking it sounds great.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like when, when you start talking about like certain sense, when I'm just like, hey, like running, you know, running, whether it's running on camera or like how to sell an action movie properly to an audience, like what you're thinking about, like in the general architecture, what your role within it is like there's very few people you can ask over the course of time that have done it at a certain level so yeah like you don't i don't necessarily do it on every movie but on on this one like this was it was a huge resource and are you ever like what the hell is up with the ending of eyes wide shut

Speaker 1 but pal true pleasure thanks for doing so fun guys thank you guys

Speaker 1 pleasure as always thank you to craig whirlbeck thanks to gahal and ronic as well and uh we'll see you next week good luck with the running man thank you november 14th. Yes, sir.

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