‘Halloween II’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

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Speaker 1 the early 80s, just a sweet spot for horror movies that are now hilariously funny.

Speaker 1 This movie is really funny. It's full of inexplicable decisions.

Speaker 1 What is your relationship with this movie, Sierra?

Speaker 2 what's my relationship with this movie well i love the halloween movies and i think this is the best of the sequels even though i have a real real soft spot for season of the witch yeah i know that which i know weird i don't like that movie at all i also like h2o i did too wow um hello cool j this is so cool first black guy ever to survive a horror movie well that's because He wasn't killed in the horror way.

Speaker 1 Remember what happened to him?

Speaker 1 They zagged on him. They zagged on him.
It was like a mistaken shooting thing. And then they were like, we can't let him die like that.
It's like cool, James.

Speaker 2 I think that this is really cool because it happens on the same night. Like, it's very rare that you get a sequel that captures the same compressed pressure and tension of the first one.

Speaker 2 Usually you'll be like five years later, 10 years later, eight years later. This is like, nah, this is, we're right back in it.

Speaker 1 Jamie Lee's got a wig on.

Speaker 2 It's still Halloween. We're still in Haddonfield.
Jamie Lee's got a wig on. Loomis is running around looking for cigarettes and it goes off.

Speaker 2 I want to ask you: this is our third time around the block with Mike. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No Jason, no Freddy, no Leatherface. What keeps bringing you back to the shape?

Speaker 1 First of all, the GOAT.

Speaker 2 The GOAT. You like greatness.
You respect greatness.

Speaker 1 You feel like Michael Myers is the GOAT? I was going to do this later because it's him versus Voorhees in the finals.

Speaker 1 You would say Freddy?

Speaker 2 I'd say Freddy is like a three seed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 But versus Voorhees, Myers, more realistic, original, came first. Funnier.

Speaker 1 Just flat out funnier than Voorhees.

Speaker 1 I thought he had more of a purpose. Right.
I don't really know what Voorhees is. It's like, yeah, I drowned in this lake.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to kind of protect this campsite, but now I'm going to be in Manhattan. I'm going to be that.
Like Myers is like.

Speaker 2 He's like an eight, though, dude.

Speaker 1 I know, but Myers is like, Hadenfield's my spot. But my favorite thing about Myers is Horny Myers,

Speaker 1 which we really only get in one and two. Right.

Speaker 1 I like why he's like, I'm not just going to kill both people in this house.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to watch a little. I'm a little bit of a voyeur.
I'm going to try to grab some boob here. Oh, my God.
Yeah, he did. He went for it.

Speaker 1 He was an 18-year-old going through some stuff, which I think.

Speaker 1 She's licking on the hand and all of that stuff. Oh, yeah.
Myers is like, oh. Nurse Karen.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 I'm different in that am I off? I feel like Freddy is the clear guy. I don't know why.
Really? I do. What's the case for Freddy? A couple of things.
Is he realistic?

Speaker 1 No, Freddy is definitely not realistic. To me, of all of these guys, Freddy has by far the most personality.
These guys don't have any personality. Freddy's got personal.
Welcome to prime time, bitch.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Freddie is, Freddy's making jokes.
Freddy, if you do kung fu, Freddy will block that shit with a different discipline. He, you know, Freddy, to me, Freddy has pizzazz and flair.

Speaker 1 And to be honest with you, he was by far the most terrifying because

Speaker 1 these two guys, obviously, they're forces of nature and you can't stop them and all of that stuff. But I just used to be so afraid of Freddy because you had to fall asleep.
Did Freddie exist though?

Speaker 2 Did Freddy exist?

Speaker 1 Did he exist, or was he just an

Speaker 2 town? Wasn't he burned alive by the town?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he was with kids. But was he a real person, though, when he was killing all these people? Was he killing them?

Speaker 2 I mean, he's a degree of their subconscious, right?

Speaker 1 He's a sleep demon. Yeah.
But that's not. Myers was a real person, at least at the start.

Speaker 1 what are you talking about

Speaker 1 first

Speaker 1 he he thought about it for 15 years but

Speaker 1 where did

Speaker 1 the large

Speaker 1 freddy krueger was also a real person who was killed and then made a deal with a sleep demon spirit yeah and became a manifestation he's in the demon bracket that's like a whole different bracket

Speaker 1 what is realism then there's nothing realer than leatherface there's nothing realer than just just understand understand that also if you're talking about real i know they decanonized it but there's the whole curse thing that happened.

Speaker 2 We did this when we did return of Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 There's obviously a supernatural into a supernatural. They had to do that for the sequels.
Leatherface out of shape. You kind of, he kind of had to, it had to be a home game for him.

Speaker 1 He needed you in his house. I don't think he could have gone on location.
You don't think Leatherface

Speaker 1 needed the crowd.

Speaker 1 He needed some help. He's a dope.
He needed the chainsaw. Right.
Right. Like, what was Leatherface without a chainsaw? Myers was like, he had hypodermic needles.
He had kitchen knives.

Speaker 1 Like if you're making a ham sandwich at night, he'll just kick the knife. He's a true killer.
He really needed like a hell in the cell with all these guys, maybe.

Speaker 1 You know, we should have brought them all together for like an expensive.

Speaker 2 So you're saying Leatherface is like golf outside in the winter. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He needs the dome. He needs Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 Well, Myers, any system. Yeah.
Any system Myers is good in.

Speaker 1 Nobody would have been better as a movie serial killer just wandering around a town after being shot six times being like, oh, that girl's in the phone. I think I'll just take her out just for sport.

Speaker 1 But you do real, first of all, that's actually a critique I have of the movie. Yeah.
He, I can make an argument. Freddie don't pass up no bodies.
Freddy see you, he kills you. You out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're done. There are times in this movie where Myers is running from the grind.

Speaker 1 Myers is walking to the hospital, their kids walking by them and stuff like that. He doesn't kill kids, though.
No,

Speaker 1 I know, but he kills women and then fat guys.

Speaker 1 Right. So like people like

Speaker 2 athletic guys too.

Speaker 1 Kind of, sometimes maybe if one gets in his way. Babies off limits for Myers.
He had a chance to take out the whole nursery. It was too easy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What did he do?

Speaker 1 That would be evil to do that.

Speaker 2 Because this is Halloween 1A instead of Halloween 2. It's basically like, did you like Halloween? What if we supersized it? What if we just kept it going?

Speaker 2 So many sequels wind up being like, well, now we have to explain this and now we have to do that. And future Halloween movies did that.

Speaker 2 But this is just like, what if the night just went on and he came back?

Speaker 1 Well, and with more murders. It's a super size.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Cause we're in the slasher era, which from 79 to 81 gives us Friday the 13th, Halloween ripoff, part two, prom night, funhouse, when a stranger calls, terror train, he knows you're alone.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday to me, and Halloween too. Yeah.
All in like two and a half years. And it's just this becomes, you can make these for 400K and make 20 million potentially.
And guess what?

Speaker 1 I've seen all of them.

Speaker 1 They're very reliable. The one that was the best idea that wasn't executed the best was Terror Train.

Speaker 1 Okay. Just a really good idea for a horror movie.
Like you're on a train. You can kind of sneak in and out of the cars.
You can wander around. I still feel like trains would have been a good idea.

Speaker 1 Somebody should have figured that out. Why are you staring at me like that? I'm not.

Speaker 1 Well, what do you think the best location is? No, I'm not waiting. Well, no, I'm listening to you.
I've never seen Terror Train before. I've never seen it.

Speaker 1 It's exactly what you think it is, but poorly done.

Speaker 2 My favorite little...

Speaker 1 Prom night wasn't bad either. Prom night was a good one.
Yeah, Prom Night was a good Jamie Lee.

Speaker 2 Sleepway Camp, would you consider that slasher?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. And then 82 had even more of them, including one of my all-time favorites, Silent Rage, which is unfortunately too obscure to do in the rewatchable.
I love Halloween.

Speaker 1 I love Halloween. And I love

Speaker 1 Halloween because I came to Michael Myers late. I should also say that Freddy was

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 1 just in my formative

Speaker 2 terror. Yeah.
It was Freddy.

Speaker 1 But I came to to Michael Myers later and I like Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 Doesn't talk, walks, kills, completely strong. Couple headpots.
Overwhelming, like, you know, the whole deal. Drives,

Speaker 1 drives relentless. Knows where the phone lines and the power is and every place he goes.

Speaker 2 Knows about Celtic, like, you know, pagan rituals, you know?

Speaker 1 We talked about that in the Halloween one pod.

Speaker 1 Like, so you assume he's possessed by some evil spirit that can then give him the answers in his head because he was in a medical you wouldn't have assumed that when you first watched halloween though right by halloween too it's like because he got coming back totally realistic he could just find where the elementary school is maybe deface some some pictures write sam hain on the chalkboard then he's off to his next stop he can follow the hollywood hidden field hospital science right oh it's to say that so i'm taking a left hair cool This is my problem, or it was my problem back then with the slasher movie.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is when I would watch horror movies i would need to feel overwhelmed like there's something that i cannot stop you know yeah and then with with michael myers you know i feel like if you can get to the car he's just gonna walk you're out you could blow him up you could do stuff that's why it was always the supernatural stuff for me i mean you could if you had like let's say you had like an rpg yes

Speaker 1 over michael myers like if you have it right if you like if you but for me a lot of the horror movies that i watched particularly during the 80s they were all supernatural in some way like what you gonna do with hellraiser right you you're you're

Speaker 1 you know like freddy all of that you gotta get you gotta go with to beat guys like that you have to go find some old ancient nun that's like this is an evil that's been around for eons and you know and so you that was the stuff that really scared me but later on i came to love the slasher movie okay

Speaker 1 Can we talk about

Speaker 1 that?

Speaker 1 You're in your Team Freddy. I get it.

Speaker 2 we haven't done a nightmare movie yet we haven't we haven't done friday i guess my thing is what's your issue with freddy since you're excluding him yeah because that's the thing is i can't tell if you're you're holding on to these and letting them accrue value or whether you're just like i actually don't want to do voorhees

Speaker 1 no we should do voorhees i mean the friday the 13th have not age great but we should probably do i kind of disagree one and two which one do you like i really like two i like final chapter a lot that's the one with corey feldman oh that movie's great yeah

Speaker 1 those two are really good yeah i do like the corey feldman one that would have been a great they feldman just should have become voorhees chrispl glover

Speaker 1 yeah and uh and the kid from last american virgin yeah lawrence monason

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 okay let's talk about worst ideas ever in a sequel for movies that i actually love

Speaker 1 because i think

Speaker 1 Myers turning out to be Lori's brother in Halloween 2 is my second least favorite thing for a sequel. yeah i'm going to give you my top four

Speaker 1 coming in at number four rocky losing all of his money in rocky five thanks to some bad poly investments why the are you letting polly invest anything

Speaker 1 stop i know you like rocky five stop it enrages me

Speaker 1 it i have an irrational

Speaker 1 even during even as a kid i was 10 years old or something like that i was like you mean to tell me this guy gets his head beat in yeah for years and years and years for no money on chris for no money

Speaker 1 then he goes back to Philly yeah

Speaker 1 tough living okay yeah

Speaker 1 it gives and it takes and by the way no one to even give Rocky any real advice because there should have been someone that could have that should have said hey Rocky just let you know you don't have to you're still one of the most famous guys in all of sports you can go sign autographs right you can do commercials yeah there's all kinds of things by two percent of the eagles

Speaker 1 there's a lot of things rocky could have done, even after Paulie lost all his money. He didn't have to become the trainer for the up-and-coming heavyweight who didn't respect him.

Speaker 1 That movie enrages me, even though I like it. I can't believe the decision to take all of his money.

Speaker 2 And now we know he could have been in Cosa Nostra-sponsored poker games. That's where he could have lost his money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come play games, could introduce him to Flappy. Yeah, um, Flappy.
That's number four. Number three for me is Godfather 3:

Speaker 1 the decision to have Michael's daughter fall in love with Sonny's illegitimate son. Yeah, I can't believe nobody at any point talked Copal out of this.

Speaker 1 Like, wait a second, this is kind of fucked up, man. Sonny and Michael were brothers.
Don't do this. Not to mention, don't cast your wet.
So that's number three.

Speaker 1 It was a first cousin. I know, but I'm saying this is hey, you can't.
It's your cousin. So number two for me is it turns out Michael Myers was Lori's brother and Lori got

Speaker 1 pulled away and adopted. I want to go into that in a second.
Number one for me, I've texted you both about this. Another 48 hours kio becoming the ice man

Speaker 1 that's number one number one it's just an

Speaker 1 alien

Speaker 1 like who gives a like no

Speaker 1 his brain is so i know it changes the first 48 hours it changes how you watch 48 hours one because you're watching it going well kio's the ice man why is he helping him why is he telling you reggie called like it's just it's the first it's like we watch stuff now yeah such a different perspective right where we're like game of thrones like we're gonna figure out like what this dream means and whether or not like that means a dragon's going to fly

Speaker 2 does pay off when you have like attention to detail like the way that Game of Thrones generally had. They were making this shit up as they went along.

Speaker 2 There are obvious scenes in Halloween 2 that are like John Carpenter's idea of like, maybe we can make this an anthology.

Speaker 2 There's stuff that they put in after the fact because they felt like it wasn't testing right, whatever it was. So it's just like when we go back and we're just like, Kehoe can't be the Iceman.

Speaker 1 It's like, or he could be.

Speaker 1 They just decided he was.

Speaker 1 In this movie, you get the feeling that there was

Speaker 1 at some point in the times that people went, the people that were making the film, that they said,

Speaker 1 why are we people watching this movie? Yeah, what's our hook for this one? Yeah. Like, are they watching to continue the story? The first story was so great.

Speaker 1 This movie is going to take that kinetic energy and bring you right back there. More kills, more thrills.

Speaker 1 Or is there a deeper movie and a deeper motivation for Michael Myers to be this obsessed that we need to put in the movie for it to make sense to people? And they just decided to go with it.

Speaker 2 So when you arrive at that question, you arrive at like, do you think Season of the Witch is good or not? Now, I understand that that movie has detractors.

Speaker 2 I happen to be a supporter of it, but what it does is it was essentially John Carpenter and Deborah Hill's idea that the overall vibe of Halloween was the star and not Michael Myers.

Speaker 2 And that the synths, the Dean Cundy cinematography, the like, just the feeling of it, that's what Halloween is.

Speaker 2 And Michael Myers is just one character in what could be many stories that are kind of set on that night or around that night. I actually think that's right.

Speaker 1 And you're right.

Speaker 2 Them being like, well, how can we make the stakes feel higher? She has to be his sister.

Speaker 2 And that kind of feels really stapled on, like the flashback sequences from like the sanitarium or whatever that we're seeing in the movie.

Speaker 1 So why are they taking her her to the sanitarium?

Speaker 2 Exactly. Her parents,

Speaker 1 they said the parents are dead. So the adoptive parents are like, you know, maybe she should have a relationship with her homicidal brother.
Let's take her to

Speaker 1 Smith's Grove and she can just be scared by this. It makes no sense.
I thought, I mean, there's that part makes no sense, but on top of it.

Speaker 1 I actually think it's the movie's better and the franchise is better when they're, Myers has no purpose. Yes.
He's just a fucking serum. He's a killing machine.

Speaker 1 He found, he followed, he was in his little brown station wagon and saw these three girls in Halloween one. And one of them's like, hey, asshole, speed kills.
And he's like, that's it.

Speaker 1 I'm fucking killing those girls. That's dead.
That's like, I'm like, there's nothing about

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 But I will say that I guess what happens is with

Speaker 1 Michael's increasing resistance to death.

Speaker 1 Like they've tried to kill him every way. We'll talk about it later on.
But man, if Hoomis don't get rid of that 1982 Hill Street Blues ass gun that's not doing shit,

Speaker 1 that old ass revolver that Michael just eat knows like chiclets.

Speaker 1 Just pop, pop, pop, pop. There's like little BB guns.
He's like,

Speaker 1 he gets hit a couple of times in the head and he laughs. He smiles.
Get that shit away from here. Yeah.
But with that,

Speaker 1 his increasingly, he just can't be stopped. The question then will become, like, why? Is it for the love of the game? After a while, you would just think it maybe you'll stop.

Speaker 1 But if there's something deeper, maybe you can hook the audience into believing that this obsession is rooted in something.

Speaker 2 So that's why I think that the second one works so well, though, because

Speaker 2 it's the same night. So you wouldn't be like, we've called the National Garden.
You know what I mean? You wouldn't be like, we've got. a SEAL team on the way.

Speaker 2 There's a unstoppable supernatural killer on the loose in suburban Illinois, you know, or but it's still happening. Yeah, it's like, it's like we haven't even gotten our hands around this.

Speaker 2 Halloween night is still happening in other pockets of this town. And that's the funniest thing when you're watching him walk around the small town and the guy's walking right by with the boombox.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, how is this not like cops are driving up and down the street on loudspeakers being like, get off the streets. Michael Myers is back.

Speaker 1 Well, that was Loomis's terrible advice in the first movie. He's like, you can't.
Keep quiet. Yeah, then everybody will see him.
There'll be panic in the streets. It's like, maybe a good thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
This guy's a fucking serial killer. Maybe you should get the word out.
Yeah. Loomis is the Brian Kelly of serial killer stoppers.

Speaker 1 Loomis is literally, he's the Brian Kelly. Loomis,

Speaker 1 he has, for some reason, all the respect, but gets nothing right. Just continues to take losses, losses till somebody, you go, can somebody kill Loomis?

Speaker 1 Everything will be better if Loomis is out of here.

Speaker 1 Loomis, loomis wants to do and then he just doesn't he's not inspiring in any way and he's wearing a brown raincoat 24 hours a day yeah even during the day when it's like 75 in hadenfeld i don't understand anything about loomis why does he have a gun he's like a therapist he's also died as many times as michael myers he has

Speaker 1 he's as obsessed as myers is When I was a kid, the thing that scared me the most about this movie, though, was what you're talking about. It was the tone of the movie.

Speaker 1 It was the fact that I hadn't really seen a

Speaker 1 horror movie where the guy was just walking around and people didn't realize the type of danger that they were in. Yeah.
That used to bother me, right?

Speaker 1 Like people didn't realize that death was lurking right around the corner. He was walking past them, could grab one of them at any moment.
Like I said, maybe he should have.

Speaker 1 But that, when I was watching it, just the way that the movie was shot, almost as if it were a documentary, that's what used to bother me about it. Well,

Speaker 1 what's the best version of this sequel? Because to me, as weird as this sounds, it's very similar to Rocky II,

Speaker 1 where Rocky I's a huge success. And at some point, they realize gotta do this again.
Got to do Rocky II.

Speaker 1 We'll just continue it the same night, and then we'll try to figure out the story as we go along. But basically, this time he'll win.

Speaker 1 But Rocky II starts the same way where you see the ending of Rocky I. Then we go into the ambulances and Rocky II, and they're playing the music, the hospital.
He goes to see Creed.

Speaker 1 But they kind of don't really have an idea for that movie other than he has to win this time.

Speaker 1 And in this one, it's the idea is basically the night keeps going and he just kills more people.

Speaker 1 If we had been in the room,

Speaker 1 I don't think the last part should have been rooted in the hospital.

Speaker 1 I would have, I actually like when he's just kind of moving around Haddenfield, like what you guys said, where it's, it's scarier just to have him in the middle of normal activity.

Speaker 1 So are we pitching alternate sequel ideas here or are you talking for Halloween 2 specifically?

Speaker 1 We end up in a hospital for the last hour plus of the movie and it just becomes a hospital movie which i i i could that could be any serial killer movie like the scary part is hat and field and him wandering around i think that's been some of the stuff that's worked the best in the other halloween movies yeah i mean i i think the hospital at least gives it it distinguishes it from the first one true because if you had the second one and it's just him stalking around suburban

Speaker 1 would have gotten a little less hospital though maybe 40 minutes in the hospital

Speaker 1 to me

Speaker 1 you had to change something about the movie in order to exactly make it unique. So the setting of it being kind of enclosed is kind of the different thing here.

Speaker 1 I think the best version of the sequel is you think Michael's dead. They're transporting him away.
They get maybe like

Speaker 1 two, three hours outside of Hattonfield, right? Or even like an hour outside. He pulls the lecter.
He pulls the mask off. He pulls the mask off or.

Speaker 1 There's a car accident. He flies out.
He grabs a scalpel.

Speaker 1 And now he's rampaging around in that town, which then gives the people in hattonfield they're close enough to for him to start killing and then for them to come from there to the new town and try to convince people that michael myers is going crazy but it's like halloween 2 one town over oh yeah oh halloween 2 colon

Speaker 1 over is good colon one town over because it's still halloween colon one town over yeah like it's still halloween and these these people like they might have heard a little bit did you hear what's happening in hattonfield or whatever whatever but it starts to happen to them could it have could it just be cleveland halloween 2 cleveland let loose like yeah he just

Speaker 1 coming out of the cabs game in 1981

Speaker 2 unlike jason mike never had away games you know yeah true um

Speaker 2 well i think um

Speaker 1 as i said earlier the best thing about this movie all these years later it's been 1981 so what's that 44 years the movie fucking is hilarious now it's unbelievable yeah and we'll go into some of the scenes but the scene when ben tramer gets tragically killed i can't wait to talk about that

Speaker 1 all the stuff in the hospital um oh my gosh every i can't wait so i want to save it for when we get to uh the rewatchable stuff carpenter and uh deborah hill co-wrote the screenplay carpenter didn't want to direct he ended up doing escape from new york a beloved movie for us yes fantastic yeah handed the direction over to rick rosenthal And

Speaker 1 he ended up getting a little involved in filming some stuff.

Speaker 2 But he had wanted this to be an anthology series, and he didn't think Michael Myers was like,

Speaker 2 he was like, you can't build a movie around this guy and kill him at the end of every movie. And then he comes back at the next movie.
Oh, little did he know.

Speaker 1 He ended up doing 12. Yeah.
Were we yet in the era of

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 singular entity slasher movie that comes back for like five movies? Had we quite gotten there yet? Maybe he didn't believe in it because it was. The guy that doesn't die was not a concept.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Myers and Voorhees, I think,

Speaker 1 to my knowledge, are like the first ones to be like, Well, the gimmick for part two of Friday the 13th was the mom was the murderer in part one, right?

Speaker 1 And then part two is like, Now, Jason, he's come out of the water.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's like the misnomer is you like you put on Friday the 13th, and you're like, wait a second, this is just like a middle-aged woman with a mask.

Speaker 1 Like, this isn't she's the original Karen, a lot of people say. She was, yeah, took a lot of stuff personally.
There you go, kids having sex, middle-aged crazy, yeah, like the whole nine.

Speaker 1 She's like, I don't want Jason Voorhees' mom was just telling on people. Yeah.
She's just a damager or you're going to have to die. People are taping her on cell phones.

Speaker 2 Do you guys think

Speaker 1 the villain who can't die, the guy who can't die, is the key to a good horror villain or a bug?

Speaker 2 Do you enjoy that he can't die or do you wish they could?

Speaker 1 It was the key then.

Speaker 1 Now they've changed it. It's the key to the sequels.
Right. But do you like that as a character quality, that Michael Myers can't die?

Speaker 1 It was important then because the whole movie was oriented around him. Now with the movies, it's normally supernatural stuff, and that can be different every time.

Speaker 1 What you orient the movie around now are the people that are fighting the ghosts, and so every single time you can know that they're not, they're essentially Avengers, you can know that they're not going to die and put different, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1 But at that point, it wasn't really about that, it was about the guy that wouldn't die, and so you needed you know what's an interesting example right now is Black Phone, where in the first Black Phone,

Speaker 2 uh, the Ethan Hawk character is essentially like a Michael or a Freddy, like outcast guy who's like preying on children. The grabber.

Speaker 2 And then in the second one, the grabber becomes supernatural, like, he's existing in people's dreams, he's he's haunting them.

Speaker 1 Because it's the Superman complaint, right? It's like, how interesting is this if he can't, he has no, he can't die. This is, but honestly, this is what I was saying earlier.

Speaker 1 This is why they did the sister thing because with Freddy, you start learning new stuff about Freddy every okay, Freddy's mom is a nun.

Speaker 1 All right, then Freddy's mom is Freddy is the bastard son of a thousand of 10,000 maniacs.

Speaker 1 And so it's all you, they deepen the lore, and they have to keep doing that to give you explanations to why this thing won't go away.

Speaker 1 And there's nothing you really can do is just kill it for a little while and then it's coming back. Well, let's start with the real explanation.

Speaker 1 The ending of Halloween 1 left the door open for one of the most obvious sequel opportunities we've ever had.

Speaker 1 Right. This guy

Speaker 1 comes back, kills some people, falls off the balcony. Loomis goes, Loomis looks out.
He's not there anymore. And he's still out there.

Speaker 1 So when they, you know, I remember being a little kid, I didn't see Halloween in 78, but I saw the re-release in like, I don't know, 80 when they were setting up Halloween too.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, all right,

Speaker 1 what's next? Let's run this back. And I do think they put very little time and thought.
Like Carpenter basically said, I was drunk when I came up with the sister thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because they're just writing a script. They're taking 10 days and banging.
Oh, how bad he's at a hospital. Oh, yeah, let's try that.
And then all of a sudden you have the whole script.

Speaker 1 I don't think this was being planned out like pulp fiction. Sure.

Speaker 2 So wait, what's the obvious sequel thing? It's just like he gets up and he's just still stalking around, but there's no sister problem.

Speaker 1 I don't mind the hospital thing, the unfinished business with Lori. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Got to get her. But the thing is, they have all this.

Speaker 1 you know, sexual attention in Halloween one that they're pretty, pretty clear about. So Star Wars thing going on.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then in Halloween 2, it's like, yeah, it's his sister, and she's like dropping the knife phallically. So, you think he cares about that? I think maybe that's part of his thing.

Speaker 1 He likes it, I think he likes it a little bit. Yeah, he's into it, yeah.
Kind of the same thing with Godfather 3. But how would he even know he had a sister? Is the other thing

Speaker 1 he's been locked up since he was six?

Speaker 2 We don't know how Michael knows what he knows, yeah, right? Right, true, so he apparently knows how to do it. No internet, yeah, but he's like doesn't talk with how to use syringes.

Speaker 2 Like, how did he learn that?

Speaker 1 Is In Michael's mind, is he the good guy?

Speaker 1 In Michael's mind, is there something rattling around in there where Michael thinks that he's got to kill all of these people because they're wrong?

Speaker 1 Is there a but what are they, what did they do wrong?

Speaker 2 Who knows? Locked him up?

Speaker 1 There's a different reality where Michael is like, they're these bad people and I got to get them. Isn't that always the case with these psychopaths? That is

Speaker 2 not exactly the rob zombie take on the character, but it is closer to that. Like Michael is incredibly traumatized, leading him to becoming this.

Speaker 2 A little, I don't acknowledge the zombie movies, just saying it's out there. Yeah, I don't.
I don't turn a blind eye to art. Sorry,

Speaker 1 thank you very much. They happened.

Speaker 1 2.5 million dollar budget made 25 million.

Speaker 1 Roger Ebert, two stars. Oh, Rog.
Roger. It's a little sad to witness a fall from greatness, and that's what we get in Halloween too.

Speaker 1 How many stars would you guys give it?

Speaker 1 I think it's a two and a half. It's a, I mean,

Speaker 1 in 88,

Speaker 1 so much shit. How many, you give it stars.
How many stars would you give it? Craig, I don't like your attitude.

Speaker 1 If I was Roger Evers age and I'd give Halloween 2 2 out of 5, I got to grind out Halloween 2 and then see three more movies.

Speaker 2 Like, this is exactly what I would give it. He'd be like, this is not as good as Halloween.

Speaker 1 No nostalgia, you're right. But I got to think about how I first saw it.
I was terrified.

Speaker 1 He said, technically a sequel doesn't attempt to do justice to the original. Tries to outdo the other violent Halloween rip-offs of the last several years.
That's true.

Speaker 1 And he said, it depends, of course, on our old friend, the idiot plot, which requires that everyone in the movie behave at all times like an idiot.

Speaker 1 That's necessary because if anyone used common sense, the problem would be solved and the movie would be over. Raj.
Raj did not like horror movies, though. He didn't like anything without story.

Speaker 1 Right. Well, because the horror movie is essentially an amusement part.
Yeah. Where you're paying your money, especially horror movies like this.

Speaker 1 Now, I think horror movies have learned and they try to get a little bit more sophisticated, but you're paying money for the thrills. That's what it is.
And the story just wraps around that.

Speaker 1 So, for a guy that has to, like CR said, analyze the plot of the movie. It's not the point, Raj.
The point is, put two people in a hot tub, made a vanilla gumbo, and then like and then killed.

Speaker 1 That's the point. That's what we came for.
Turn the temperature up and take them out one at a time. Yeah.
Including with the repeated drowning.

Speaker 2 The point is, is that this movie is not meant to be viewed at 7 p.m. next to like a merchant ivory film it's supposed to be viewed when you're like

Speaker 1 we went out six high school kids go see this they smoke potential

Speaker 2 or now when you're like i just knocked out halloween one

Speaker 1 look at that halloween two is sitting right there on peacock why don't we just like let it roll right into it my wife and i watched halloween two saturday night and just followed it up with weapons oh yeah interesting it was a it was a horror night it was great your thoughts on weapons

Speaker 1 it's fine okay yeah

Speaker 1 It's fine. Okay.
You don't like that.

Speaker 2 I didn't. I don't like his, I don't like his dismissive.

Speaker 1 I thought it was like a deranged stranger things. I, yeah, I liked it.
I liked watching. I would never want to watch it again.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What were your thoughts? It's fine.

Speaker 2 Did you think it was a horror Magnolia rather than a deranged stranger things?

Speaker 1 I thought it was really interesting. I enjoyed watching it.
See, I liked it. I like it.
I liked weapons. It's fine.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're all friends. We're all friends.
It's all good. I liked weapons.
You I saw it way too late in the hype game. So I was expecting pulp fiction crossed with Sansa Lambs.
And it's like, it's good.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 All right, most rewatchable scene. Jesus Christ.
It rarely works when you run the ending from from the previous movie, but you give it slightly different. They gave it like a remix.

Speaker 1 It's like when they would remix the 80s song.

Speaker 2 They switched up the soundtrack, the score. And the first 12 minutes of this movie, you're like, let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 It really is. I have three different rewatchable scenes, but he goes down, he feels the blood.
Then the neighbor comes out. And we do the, is this some kind of joke or something?

Speaker 1 I've been trick-or-treated to death tonight. You don't know what death is.
And then the music kicks in. That's actually.
loomis is cooking that is my okay motherfucker

Speaker 1 like are we going for this moment yeah it's so good i mean it's really one of the best starts too because the opening credits with the pumpkin is good too and then we go right into that uh it's great i i like after the credits the looking through loomis's eyes when he's when or looking through Myers's eyes, when you see Loomis from far away and you see the sheriff's like, I shot him six times.

Speaker 1 I shot him six times. He's like, just like, kind of lost his mind.
They get in the car. And then Myers, we see him steal the kitchen knife.
Great horror gimmick.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 One of my, this movie has a couple staples, Van.

Speaker 1 The, I open the door thinking someone's in there and the door is open behind the guy and then the door closes and now the horror movie guy is behind the door.

Speaker 1 That one, the I'm making something, I put the knife here, I walk away, I come back, the knife's gone. Another fucking staple.

Speaker 2 It's also awesome that they're that the old couple are home watching Night of the Living Dead. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
Shout out to George Romero. And then she's cutting, what's she cutting? A big hunk of meat.
It looked like Liverwurst or something like that.

Speaker 1 Ham. I don't know.
So she's actually a little late. But she's a little late for that.
Like, put it on in front of a big Coke.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So.
Were we happier back then?

Speaker 2 What it was like, who we don't need to think about sleep cycles and whoop scores?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was no Apple Watch telling her not to make ham sandwiches.

Speaker 2 Night of the Living Dead.

Speaker 1 Are we happier. Yeah, they're watching a zombie movie, eating something that sounds great.
Let's go back. Let's like fucking

Speaker 2 300% of your recommended daily amount of sodium at midnight.

Speaker 1 Well, that's why the guy was in a coma. He's probably already dead.
He was already fucking had a heart attack. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's making him a ham sandwich, trying to kill him. And then there's the Robert Kennedy Jr.
is watching this. They're like, God damn it, Jesus.
What's wrong with this country?

Speaker 1 And then there's the cute neighbor next door who gets the phone call. Did you hear what happened? There's guy killed stuff.
It's weird. I've heard sirens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's still out there in the loose and she's just fine for 20 seconds before she realizes the door's open.

Speaker 1 Who's just hanging out at home with the door open at 11 at night?

Speaker 2 But that's the whole point of Hatton.

Speaker 1 Hadenfeld, I guess.

Speaker 2 Leave your door unlocked community. This is why.

Speaker 1 At 11 at night, like at some point, shut the fucking door. Well, they, this is why they were able to be taken.

Speaker 1 That's what, I mean, there are a lot of other towns where there would have been, and I guess there kind of was at one point, like a lynch mob that would have formed.

Speaker 2 It does. Yeah, I see.
When he's like when loomers is like that's the tribe

Speaker 1 well carpenter filmed this scene because he thought the movie didn't have enough kind of violence in it yeah so they filmed him him myers killing the cute neighbor just padness it's a stat pattern it is it's it's like seeking a rebound away from the big man yeah yeah he's he's he's on a foul shot yeah it's the westbrook 2017 strategy um

Speaker 1 And that leads to...

Speaker 2 Thought you were an ally, Bill.

Speaker 1 Shot for no reason. You back on the other side.

Speaker 1 That was a terrible MVP. Talk about wars like that, man.
My favorite scene, not only in this movie, but maybe it's in the running for favorite horror movie scenes ever. Loomis

Speaker 1 and the sheriff kill not Michael Myers. They just see this guy from far away.
There's little kids everywhere. Actually, they don't kill him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they kill him. You guys, that is the most...
hilarious scene. It's so good.
That is the most hilarious scene. Burned, blown up, hit by car, shot, The whole thing.

Speaker 1 By the way, this is some random 17-year-old kid. This is

Speaker 1 other kids.

Speaker 1 There's other kids in front of him. Limits is ready to just be.

Speaker 1 This is such a profound tragedy that the movie does not contend with at all.

Speaker 2 This would have radicalized the community.

Speaker 1 The entire community would have been

Speaker 1 graffiti all over this town. This is a random kid that was incinerated, hit by a car, then shot by the police.

Speaker 1 Driving 70 miles per hour with no sirens and then it's like a and later on they play it it barely gets lip service hey this is a kid my friend had a mask on or whatever i think it could be like nothing it just killed my friend is in the hit and run accident

Speaker 1 what the hell bro there's so many questions like why why where was the cop coming from why was there a white van there just in the middle of the road it's the tv it's the tv production isn't it um the sound hits perfectly and it puts this ball of fire in the air that um I don't even know how much gas was in the van.

Speaker 2 And they just keep it moving.

Speaker 1 And leave us in brackets.

Speaker 1 Hey, somebody called and they're like, Yeah, you deal with this. And they just leave this fucking burning kid.
Right.

Speaker 1 It's a big pocket. Craig, what was your take as you watch this? It's the most grotesque way to die.

Speaker 1 They really put their whole effort into it. Like, it's pretty.
He gets hit by the car and like dragged 10 feet into the other car. Jackknifed into a van and incinerated.
And then he set it on fire.

Speaker 1 I ran it back like three times. Sit on fire.
Reason burns. And by the way, just nothing for it.

Speaker 2 And the sad part is, aside from the tragic death of this 17-year-old child, is that's exactly the best way you could have tried to kill Michael Myers. Right, right.

Speaker 2 He's pin him against a van, incinerate him, shoot him, like do all the stuff.

Speaker 1 Nobody stays with the car.

Speaker 1 They just, I don't even know who has left. He gets a phone call and they're like, Myers is at the hospital.
And they're like, let's go. Let's go.

Speaker 1 I was like, why is this kid dressed like Michael Myers?

Speaker 2 Well, in the first, he gets the mask from a gas station. So, like, the mask is just like out there, right? It's like a, it's for some reason

Speaker 2 a staple of the Haddonfield Halloween community.

Speaker 1 Ironically, it turns out to be Ben Tramer. And in the first movie, Lori's slutty friend was like, who would you want to go to the dance with?

Speaker 1 She's like, I don't know, Ben Tramer asked. She's like, Ben Tramer, you like Ben Tramer?

Speaker 1 So the one kid Lori liked ends up getting gruesomely killed to death, being mistaken by Michael Myers, the guy who's trying to kill her. Lori, bad luck with men.

Speaker 2 It's kind of funny how there's only like four families in Haddonfield. Yeah.
Because, like, the sheriff, his daughter, he finds his daughter, his body, and stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that's our next rewatchable scene. Sheriff sees his dead daughter.
Um,

Speaker 1 the media has, well, hold on, just work with me. Dana Carvey's in this scene out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 but no speaking lines, but so it's like, why is Dana Carvey here?

Speaker 1 There's all this media already in Haddonfield, yes, which that's from a different version of the movie, right?

Speaker 2 There's a couple of scenes in the movie where you're like, oh, that could have been what they were kind of thinking for season of the witch, where it's a little bit more like vignetti, yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, and then Sheriff Brackett,

Speaker 1 who does the thing, he sees it's his daughter's dead, and then he turns on Loomis. Turns on Loomis, yeah, you did this, he did this, you did this.
I tried to, I tried to, he got, he almost

Speaker 1 loomis completely dismisses him yeah loomis basically is like like loomis is basically like okay get the iv of my face he's still alive let's go loomis doesn't even acknowledge this man this man just saw his daughter it's a weirdly moving scene in the movie he like closes her eyes or whatever

Speaker 1 i tried to tell people i tried and like and loomis just basically i don't that's it all right bye get the hell out of here go home so my favorite thing about this movie i was gonna do this later i'll just do it now loomis is basically just doing bits from his stand-up comedy show that's not funny to everyone who will listen.

Speaker 1 Like if he can get a cop trapped and

Speaker 1 it'd be like if Seinfeld,

Speaker 1 if you're with Seinfeld and you were just hanging out with him and Seinfeld was like, what's the deal with peanuts? Loomis is just any opportunity to go, I... I watched him for 15 years.

Speaker 1 He's got human consciousness. He's got his five things.
He just wants to hit over and over again with any live body of inhumanity.

Speaker 2 It's the idea, though, that this guy is now completely spun out.

Speaker 2 You know, like over the course of the two films, it's been a day and a night. He's killed a guy who's now back to life.
Yeah. You know, like there, there's this shot him six times.

Speaker 1 He's totally out of control.

Speaker 2 And he's just like, now I'm spinning out.

Speaker 1 And I'm just like, he keeps trying to like convince people he's not crazy. Yeah.
Like I, this thing is not human.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you guys, even like at the end of the movie where he shoots Michael Myers Myers again, and people are getting close to Michael Myers and he is apoplectic. He's like, stay away from him.

Speaker 1 He's not dead. He's, and he, everyone he can make excuse to, he makes it.
I thought Sheriff Brackett made some good points. He did let him out.
Yeah. He was, he was in charge of him 15 minutes.

Speaker 2 Did he let him out?

Speaker 1 Well, he could have stopped it.

Speaker 1 Could have told him. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Hot tub murders. Love it.
Love it.

Speaker 2 I have a ton to say about this.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you want to do it here so she shows up 15 minutes for late for her shift because she's been at a halloween party gets chewed out by our boss i love that scene

Speaker 1 as time she changes starts to shift and then the creepy guy from the accused who's what turns out to be one of the rapists in the accused seven years later that guy leo rossi leo rossi that's my that guy um Yeah, he's the clear that guy of this movie.

Speaker 1 He's like, hey, let's go. Basically, let's hook up.
We'll meet me down in the physical therapy room. She's like, I don't know.
Fine, I'll go down.

Speaker 1 Next thing we know, she's just doing a full strip tease in the thing. And he's in the hot tub.

Speaker 2 And it's like, you guys are fucking work.

Speaker 1 What are you doing? They're on.

Speaker 1 And my whole thing is, I'm looking at it. I'm like, do she want to fuck or not?

Speaker 2 Do you guys want to do this now?

Speaker 1 Should we just fully go

Speaker 1 because it's like, first of all, she, I'm looking at it in two different ways.

Speaker 1 Number one, to legitimately have sex in the physical therapy hot tub of your job, you would have to really, really want it, but she's really hesitant. He,

Speaker 1 it goes by,

Speaker 1 like, what's the cleanup situation?

Speaker 2 There is no cleanup situation, bro.

Speaker 1 It's so unhygienic. It's so unhygienic.

Speaker 1 It's so hot.

Speaker 2 He's got to leave fluids in a hot tub that other people are going to use for like repairing their ACL surgery.

Speaker 1 It's unbelievable. Like, they just got their shit.
I'm like, I'm looking at, did he clean it?

Speaker 1 People got in there that just got their shit unbandaged and all kinds of different stuff that's happening in there. But then they want to do it, but then they don't want to do it.

Speaker 1 She seems drawn to it.

Speaker 2 She's not like, let's have a quickie against like this like bench over here. She's like, we're going to get fully nude at work after you've been smoking a roach in the break room.

Speaker 2 For some reason, this is a massive hospital that only four people are working at because apparently Halloween night is like New Year's Eve in Haddonfield. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they get like this entire wing to themselves, which is basically the maternity ward.

Speaker 2 So they're nailing each other in a hot tub next to a bunch of newborn babies in a hot tub that apparently has a scalding temperature. Why? Why can you get up to scalding? What therapeutic is?

Speaker 1 That's a great point. It's a good point.
Why would you go to 160 degrees for any reason? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, would you be like, oh, I just dipped it in for a second?

Speaker 1 No. No, that.
I'm going to make a turkey in there.

Speaker 1 Bowls and eggs. Then, like,

Speaker 1 this guy, if they would have cast that role differently, and that was like a young Tom Cruise, this is no diss to Leo Rossi. Yeah, no, but he's like creepy.

Speaker 1 He is legitimately.

Speaker 2 He hates on like the other nurse while they're in the brain.

Speaker 1 He's like a truce comeback. The next nurse is like, this is my guy.
This is my dude. And she can't stop it.

Speaker 1 And then after they have their little trist and the trist goes bad, when Michael Myers comes back around and he puts his hand on it, she thinks it's the other guy's hand. She starts.

Speaker 1 nibbling and licking his hand. So that's another nitpick.
I feel like you know right away when the serial killer is covered in blood and

Speaker 1 probably hasn't showered in a long time. It's probably not the guy.
Yeah. That would be my guess.

Speaker 1 I want to shout out my wife, who, as the girl's face was repeatedly getting dunked in the scalding water and she started losing stuff, my wife said, in all seriousness, this is like the peel my friend just had, a facial peel.

Speaker 1 I won't say who the friend was.

Speaker 2 Is it your witchy friend?

Speaker 1 Craig, you love nothing more than an 80s movie when there's just gratuitous nudity for no reason. Yeah, this was gratuitous.
They did it.

Speaker 1 I wasn't upset by it, but yeah, this checked all the 80s boxes in this scene. Well, it even checked in the research boxes.

Speaker 1 The nurse was, the lady who played the nurse was upset she had to have a nude scene and turned into a whole thing on set.

Speaker 1 And you could feel her discomfort in the thing, which is, I wish I hadn't read the research.

Speaker 1 What's the character's name? The guy, the creepy guy? Bud. Bud, my counter to your entire point.

Speaker 1 If the plan is to have a romantic night and you can't leave the hospital, that's not the plan. They're at work.
Well,

Speaker 1 if that's what you want and there's a hot tub in a room. But my thing is, you're trying to hit real quick, right?

Speaker 1 You're at work. Yeah, just go into a room.
Yeah. You don't need to do the fucking hot tub.
It's everywhere. Just like, just go that.
They made a whole night of it. I respect the ingenuity, you know?

Speaker 1 You know, wait, by the way, every time I see an article about the male loneliness epidemic,

Speaker 1 I think about the fact that Craig doesn't like to see titties in 1980s. No, you know what? No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 He does.

Speaker 1 But here's the thing that they do to you.

Speaker 1 And to be fair, he does.

Speaker 2 Here's the problem.

Speaker 1 I honestly don't dislike it. I'm just saying it is extremely 80s, and I can recognize how unnecessary it is for the movie.
And I don't hate seeing it.

Speaker 2 In the horror movies, what they do is they make you incredibly horny right before they discuss you. You can incite you.

Speaker 1 So they'll be like, oh my God, they're going to do it. We're going to get it.

Speaker 2 And then it's like, oh, this person just got impaled or this person just got

Speaker 2 dunked in a vat of frying scalding water. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Meyer is always he always shoots his wad and commits the murder before he gets to watch.

Speaker 1 Like, it's too

Speaker 1 early. Like, he wouldn't should have turned on the hot tub.

Speaker 2 Maybe he's like Craig, and it disgusts him, you know? Yeah, maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 1 He's making a judgment about that. Maybe he's like Tipper Gore.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm at the point where when I watch Clean Up America, now when I watch 90s movies, I'm almost disappointed that there's not nudity because I've seen so many, like when we watch sneakers, that scene with the mistress, I'm like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 I've never seen that.

Speaker 1 You're going to do it, do it.

Speaker 1 Get

Speaker 1 in a physical therapy hot zone. I do think this was one of the better horror movie murders of the 80s.
The repeated

Speaker 1 when the face comes up and there's less skin. I just thought it was probably the best murder of this whole thing.
It was the iconic murder of this movie. But we also had a hypodermic

Speaker 1 needle double murder. Yep.
With the into the side. that was good with the alcoholic uh doctor who is the only doctor yeah what's up with that guy yeah

Speaker 1 meyer stabbing lori but it's a bunch of pillows and lori's on the loose

Speaker 1 we get a scalpel murder where he lifts that one cute blonde nurse up from the back with the scalpel but gets her up in the air i'm gonna say i don't know how he does that i don't know if the scalpel's holding on

Speaker 1 You think? If the scalpel would have the physics of it. Can you lift somebody up 18 feet with a scalpel that's like, I don't know, this long?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm gonna say, I didn't get that either.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna say, like, something weird happens. Lori Chase, I like when Lori hides in the car.
And then

Speaker 1 Loomis in the hospital, when he brings everybody in there and he says to the one lady, like, you stay with me and shut up.

Speaker 1 He's like, is Loomis done?

Speaker 1 All right. He shoots Myers five more times.
So Myers now is 11 bullets.

Speaker 1 And the guy goes over to make sure he's dead. He's like, Damn, get away, get away! Get away from us! Damn! Loomis, you guys, Loomis's descent into madness is so awesome.

Speaker 2 I mean, it hits its peak when they're in the cop car, and it's Marion and Loomis and the Marshal. Yeah.
And Loomis is like, I'm taking you hostage, Marshal. And he's like, yeah, you can't do that.

Speaker 2 He shoots a gun off by his head

Speaker 1 and threw out the window. It's just like this guy has completely left.
Well, if we keep going in that scene, Myers gets the two shots in the eyes. Perfect shooting from Lori.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I really enjoy Blind Myers trying to just stab him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then Loomis is like,

Speaker 1 how many patients in this hospital? Like 12? How many babies?

Speaker 1 Yeah, how many babies? Six. I'm going to blow up the hospital anyway.
Myers has to go.

Speaker 1 I'll take out these other 25 people. I just got to.
This just has to happen.

Speaker 1 No, no thought whatsoever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then the ending Oh, the ending, yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you have for most rewatchable CR?

Speaker 1 I for me, it's Ben Tramer,

Speaker 1 it's just gotta be the funniest thing. It just kills me, it is so it's got to be Ben, man.
It's so absurd.

Speaker 1 What about telling his parents, hey, bad news, your son's dead? Also, every what happened? Well, these guys hit him and then they left, but they were cops.

Speaker 2 It's every five years I forget that scene, and so I'll watch it and I'll be like,

Speaker 2 Wait, what?

Speaker 1 I was waiting. I was, I didn't know if Craig had seen it or not.
Yeah, I was waiting for the text into the group chat from Craig. And being like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you think when they were editing the movie at any point, the director and the editor were like, yeah, was this weird that this kid just dies out of nowhere? They went, this is badass.

Speaker 1 You could tell how much they admired the scene when they made it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, they were fucking high-firing on the set.

Speaker 2 They were like, we got him. It's a real set piece.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the most 1981 thing about this movie other than a kid walking downtown with a boom box at 11 o'clock at night

Speaker 1 past a dotson truck yeah when did that's got to be the winner when did nurses start stop dressing like that i have it the little hats that nurses wear yeah the hats little hats should come back well i just am curious when it stopped

Speaker 1 probably late 90s i don't know somewhere in there you think in like 96 they're still walking we used to have nice things we used to have flight attendants that dress like that we used to have nurses why did you you don't know when they stopped wearing

Speaker 1 he wanted an answer

Speaker 1 i just felt like he needed an answer

Speaker 1 you said it so authoritatively

Speaker 1 late 90s yeah it's that it's a clinton thing yeah

Speaker 1 1997 and they stopped wearing the hats the hats are gone uh a couple more turning on a transistor radio to get the news Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Walkie talkies.

Speaker 1 Walkie talkies. Walkie talkies.
And then the other one that I think is in the running here, A Little Kid Getting Hurt With the Apple Razorblade Halloween thing. Yes.

Speaker 1 Which is the all-time urban legend. I don't know if it ever actually happened.

Speaker 2 That was like supposed to be a season of the witch thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The fear of that in the late 70s, early 80s was a real thing.

Speaker 2 But that is actually like one of my favorite parts of this movie is the fact that intentionally or not, there will be moments where you're like, oh, is this newscaster, the blonde newscaster, or is this this mom and kid?

Speaker 2 Are they going to be like major parts of the movie? And then they just never come back.

Speaker 1 You know what? I wonder because there was something that existed. Halloween, which we haven't really talked about at least a couple of pods I've done about these movies with you guys.

Speaker 1 Halloween has completely taken on like a new

Speaker 1 sort of it's a very durable holiday because it's shifted its focus almost completely towards adults and you know dressing up like Velma with no underwear on and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 It's like totally changed, right?

Speaker 1 And one reason why

Speaker 1 I never seen this Velma with no underwear.

Speaker 1 Y'all got different algorithms. Y'all never see these,

Speaker 1 y'all never see these sexy Velma videos and the girl, oh, it's Halloween. She's Velma.
And then all of a sudden she turns around and she starts dancing.

Speaker 1 And you go, oh, this is a different type of advertisement. But what's that link tree?

Speaker 2 That hasn't gotten surfed to me.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. So

Speaker 1 I'm doing something wrong.

Speaker 1 But like,

Speaker 1 but part of the reason why Halloween became for adults was because

Speaker 1 it became like unsafe that so many of these urban legends came out about

Speaker 1 the candy at Halloween, the razor blades, guys going out and trying to get kids and all of that.

Speaker 1 And I do really feel like this movie and Michael Myers going on a killing spree on Halloween, it was part of kind of you could get fucked up a little bit.

Speaker 1 Did you have in your neighborhood the alleged house where somebody got fucked with Halloween campaigns?

Speaker 2 There was like a, there was one, I think, that had like a Rottweiler. So there was like a lot of fear about the like the dog.
And then there were a couple of like, that's old man blank, blank's house.

Speaker 2 And he, you know, don't knock there. Not, I mean, I have no idea.
It could have just been.

Speaker 1 We had one when I was little in Brooklyn. The, the, the thing allegedly happened.
And I just assumed it happened, but now I wonder if it happened. What thing? Where we heard that a kid.

Speaker 1 I know they ate the razor blade and it was this house and this house did it. And now I have no idea if it actually happened.
Oh, I thought it was something different.

Speaker 1 I thought maybe they accused that neighbor of giving candy to black kids.

Speaker 1 And the whole neighborhood was like,

Speaker 1 oh my God, dude. That guy is crazy.
Don't go by his house. I knew it was going to be a good one.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 With What's age the best?

Speaker 1 Do you like the Adobe Halloween 2 electronic score? Not as much as the first one. The reimagining.

Speaker 1 Not as good as the first one, but I admire the effort. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The score 3 is sick.

Speaker 1 The score in 3 is good. Rocky 2, the beginning of Rocky 2.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're talking way too much about Rocky 2.

Speaker 1 Well, we just have to do it.

Speaker 1 What's age the best? Being in a creepy small hospital at night after seeing this movie. I don't know if you guys have been in a hospital where you're like, oh, it's like fucking Halloween too in here.

Speaker 1 It just feels like there's not enough people in the hospital and it's kind of shocking.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's totally terrifying. It's a fantastic place.

Speaker 1 It's both the most unrealistic thing about this movie, but it's also kind of realistic because I do think this happens.

Speaker 1 And hospitals are creepy.

Speaker 1 And if you've been at one, if you've been visiting, and I hope everybody's family and friends are healthy and all of that, but if you've been visiting somebody and you're in a hospital at a certain time, they clear out.

Speaker 1 They clear out. There's nobody there.
A lot of times, you know, they're letting you stay there because there's somebody that you love and you look and it's eerie. It's in Cobra got into this too.

Speaker 1 Cobra? Cobra was slashed alone. Oh, yeah.
And he goes to say Brigitte Nielsen. There's a whole creepy hospital thing.

Speaker 1 What's age the best? Well, what do you have? I have a couple.

Speaker 2 The fact that this movie saves the setup for 30 minutes in. So like the setup is just Halloween one is keeps going.

Speaker 2 This, then like the traditional horror movie setup really doesn't start until the paramedics and the nurse are hanging out at the hospital and it's real quiet and the sex scene and all that.

Speaker 2 So I love the way they flip that.

Speaker 2 I mentioned making someone incredibly horny before you discuss them with something repulsively violent. That age the best.

Speaker 2 And then a lot of the things that are like messy or wrong about this movie, like

Speaker 2 the newscaster or the kid with the bloody lip, kind of give it color and life a little bit to me. So that's, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, Halloween itself, it's just like I said, it's like a more, it's past Thanksgiving. It's the second holiday of this season now, but also the variety of kills, the variety of

Speaker 2 hammer, scalpel, scalding water, all of this hypodermic needle.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This movie is part of the technology of the guy can't just kill you with an axe every single time, kill you with a knife every single time.

Speaker 1 He's got to do, we have to have different set pieces that are based around how the serial killer kills you to up the thrills. This movie does that really well.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about not seeing all the murders?

Speaker 2 Like, we don't get to see the black nurse get killed, we don't get to see drunk doctor get killed, black nurse, like that would have just been too torturous to watch because she's getting her blood drained from her body.

Speaker 1 I have thoughts about that, and we'll talk about that a little bit more later. Okay, can't wait.
Uh,

Speaker 1 Pleasance hosted SNL on Halloween 1981 to promote Halloween 2. No, he didn't.
During the first like breakout Eddie Murphy season, and it was the same episode that John Belushi

Speaker 1 insisted they had this punk band called Fear on, and Fear had complete chaos, and it became this legendary SNL moment.

Speaker 1 And that was all because of Donald Pleasance, who in the oral history book, they're basically like he was this drunk guy. I couldn't remember his lines.
That was the Donald Pleasants scouting report.

Speaker 1 So kudos to him.

Speaker 1 I like the, I'm telling you, this isn't a man.

Speaker 1 he just that's like his that's his west coast offense yes anytime he can shift it to trying to convince somebody we're not talking about a human being here loomis will do that there's nothing behind those eyes yeah i myers following the signs to hat and field hospital is so funny when he walks past the kid with the boom box he hears the news report And there's just this giant sign that says Haddenfield Hospital this way.

Speaker 1 And Myers is like doing the Myers walk. And then

Speaker 1 Myers cuts all the phone lines, kills the main lights, slashes every tire in the parking lot, kills the security guard, cuts fuel lines out there.

Speaker 2 The DMT

Speaker 1 cuts fuel lines,

Speaker 1 kills the ER doctor, four nurses in like 45 minutes.

Speaker 1 It's like really efficient. Like decimates the medical industry there.
Like just like, just purposeful, goes through, knows what to do.

Speaker 1 Takes out the communication, the transportation, decapitates the intelligentsia of the hospital by taking out the doctor so they couldn't rally.

Speaker 1 He's the original hacker. Right.

Speaker 1 Any other what says the best? No, never me.

Speaker 2 I have Mike in the maternity ward is actually like one of the creepiest images

Speaker 2 in the entire series.

Speaker 1 Where were I asked, my wife and I were talking about that. Where were the parents when these kids were just asleep in the maternity word?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was, it was just kind of the way it was. They didn't use the hot tub,

Speaker 1 right? We're going to get in right after you guys. Big kahuna burger were best use of food or drink, probably the apple razor blade.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I had the sandwich getting made, but yeah. Oh, the sandwich.

Speaker 1 The sandwich getting made. Yeah, that's good.
What'd you have for Great Shot Gordo?

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 2 Myers appearing behind Nurse Jill when she finds Dr. Mixter with the needle in his eye.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And like, she's like, Doctor, doctor.

Speaker 2 And then Myers is just the white mask in the background.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's awesome. Always works.

Speaker 1 Kid Cuddy, Pursuit of Happiness, where Best Needle Drop, Mr. Sandman, I think is the answer there.

Speaker 1 Best character name, Bud Scarlotti. Bud Scarlotti.

Speaker 2 okay si are you got a flex category got a couple of things here i mentioned okay motherfucker award uh for when the movie goes up a notch for you don't know what death is it's really good the steven segal heart to kill award did this movie need a bit better intimacy uh coordinator it does sound like

Speaker 2 Pamela Schoup did not enjoy her experience.

Speaker 1 She's not a big fan.

Speaker 2 She was told that there were going to be a close set and there was like 19 dudes standing around watching her.

Speaker 2 And at one point, she was being encouraged to do full frontal, and Deborah Hill had to step in and be like, you do not have to do that.

Speaker 1 Early 80s were rough.

Speaker 1 Rough times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Butch's Girlfriend Award for week link of the film.

Speaker 1 I got this. Can I do this real quick?

Speaker 1 I think we're all going to have one.

Speaker 2 This is also my Luke Wilson. Okay.
I just think Lori's a zero in this movie.

Speaker 1 It's clearly Lori.

Speaker 2 And we talked about this a bit. when we did four,

Speaker 2 but I just think it's not only is it the over-mythologize on Michael and Lori's relationship, which I don't like, but just incapacitating Jamie Lee Curtis for the entire movie and having her essentially in a fugue state.

Speaker 1 It's a terrible, terrible choice.

Speaker 2 It's kind of like use her or don't have her. Use her or have her taken to a different hospital.

Speaker 1 Myers has more personality than Lori in this movie, and he can't speak. He totally fridg her in the entire movie.
And then

Speaker 1 this is why Halloween to one town over.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're absolutely right about that.

Speaker 2 Because if you're not going to like give her anything to do why have her in the movie as a living breathing sort of the move is they should have killed her 40 minutes in well that would have been insane right and then he should have moved on and tried to get more people but it's like if they had like taken her like oh we can't we can't use hattonfield memorial we need a better hospital and they have to take her to like joliet or where the fuck they take her i have no idea but if he's rampaging around haddenfield looking for her but she's not there and then maybe at the end of the movie she comes back and does something i don't know but yeah, like I just think having like the last two scenes, having a bad reaction to the paradigm, it's like it would be like if you paid $60 million for AJ Brown and Devonta Smith and then never threw the ball,

Speaker 1 you know, like honestly, it would be like that.

Speaker 1 They're winning. That is true.

Speaker 1 Do you have a weak link?

Speaker 1 Same one? Yeah, yeah, it's clearly. I have a different weak link because I'm so used to how bad they use Lori in this movie.

Speaker 1 Dick Warlock plays Myers in this movie, which is I can't believe that's a real

Speaker 1 too short. He's too shift, too stiff, he's too robotic.
The mask doesn't really fit his head. At some points, the mask

Speaker 1 because they're using the mask from the first movie. And he plays Myers like Myers has CTE from falling off the balcony.
He's just kind of like, like, he's like a zombie. He's been shot many times.

Speaker 1 And maybe that was his thinking, but I just,

Speaker 1 I like the Myers in one is just so much more athletic.

Speaker 2 Do you think Dick Warlock was going up to to Rosenthal and being like, I have a new take on this character?

Speaker 1 I think he was. I really do.
I think he's like, I think this guy. So I dove into the Halloween community and was reading.

Speaker 1 I had no idea there's a Halloween movies, Reddit, and people argue about the movies and stuff.

Speaker 1 Did you get involved?

Speaker 1 I didn't. I did think about it for a second.
I had some Halloween takes I wanted to get off.

Speaker 1 They'll be Reddit power user, but only for Halloween. Just for Halloween movies, that's it.
What was interesting, there's a whole Dick Warlock contingent. Oh, like

Speaker 1 big on Lock Myers. Myers should have been more of a zombie.

Speaker 1 This is, he had been shot this time. He's body was still in shock.
Like, people are really putting real thought into this. Dick had a real

Speaker 1 angle of looking at the

Speaker 1 thing. Did you ever consider Richard Warlock? Dick Warlock.
Or Rich Warlock. Warlock.
He was like, we don't have dicks anymore. Early 80s.
Yeah, early 80s, we still had dicks. Is an all-time name?

Speaker 1 What stage the worst?

Speaker 1 Jamie Lee's wig is number one for that.

Speaker 1 So she had to film another movie and had shorter hair for it. I think it might have even been Trading Places.

Speaker 1 And you could just see the wig, especially now that the screens are nicer. What do you have, CR?

Speaker 2 I think, aside from all the stuff about the nurse and the paramedic having sex in the PT hot tub,

Speaker 2 the facial, the acting, the directing, and the facial expression of the marshal, when Marion Chambers shows up and Donald Pleasant's, his character does not, Loomis does not recognize his assistant.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, I didn't recognize you.

Speaker 2 It's like, that was two days ago that you probably saw her.

Speaker 1 It was the day before. But when she was in the car, she's been in a car for three hours.
Dr.

Speaker 2 Loomis, we've unsealed. The governor has unsealed a file.
It turns out Lori Strode is Michael Myers's

Speaker 2 sister. And the cop driving the car is just like

Speaker 2 straight staring through the windshield thinking about the cubs.

Speaker 1 Like, he has not picked up a single fucking piece of information.

Speaker 1 He's like Ron Say, you know, like, he's just like naming guys.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 And whenever I watch horror movies, and this one has a lot of it, I'm always taken by the advances in fake blood that have happened over the course of the last 30 or 40 years.

Speaker 1 You can see with Annie when they show Sheriff Brackett's daughter, like the slit throat. It just looks super fake.
Super fake. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good one.

Speaker 1 I don't like Myers breaking into the school at all just to write Sam Hain and stick a knife through the daughter and the family painting.

Speaker 1 I don't know why, how he fit that into his busy agenda after being shot six times. Just had some questions.
The Myers mask.

Speaker 1 It's interesting. It is the same mask as the first movie, which I didn't realize.

Speaker 1 I always thought they lost the mask, but I think they lost it after this movie.

Speaker 1 And it said the paint was faded because Deborah Hill kept the mask under her bed for two years and it collected dust and turned yellow because she was a heavy smoker.

Speaker 2 I love this.

Speaker 1 She's having a you're kind of lady.

Speaker 2 It's a nicotine-stained Michael Myers mask. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 because Warlock's head was different, so the mask fit differently. How many SIGs do you have to rip?

Speaker 1 For a mask to actually change color. I mean, color.

Speaker 2 I mean, people really were chain smoking back then.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You have any what's age the worst, Craig?

Speaker 1 Hot tub facials?

Speaker 1 Do you think she died by drowning or by burning? Or did he try to time it so it was burning? That's a good question. I think it was the burns.
I think it was the burns. Good question, Craig.

Speaker 1 I have a great one, but I think it's more of a nitpick, so I'm going to save it. The Rufflo Hannah Rubick Partridge overacting word.
The old ER doctor?

Speaker 1 Do you think he played the character intentionally that way? It's just like, I'm just going to be a drunk guy. drunk.

Speaker 2 Yeah, why is he like, why was he getting drunk at his country club? But he wasn't on shift.

Speaker 1 It's inexplicable. Right.
Was it supposed to be funny? He's like, oh, that's Laura Harris. It's like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 And why is this guy an ER doctor? He's like 60 years old.

Speaker 2 I guess the idea is that the town only has one doctor, but like, it's a pretty big hospital for one doctor.

Speaker 1 Did you have a flex category? I do. Did this movie need a random sports scene?

Speaker 2 Oh, Ed Norton.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ed Norton. We desperately could have had a football scene here.
Oh, like a Haddonville Haskell football game?

Speaker 1 Homecoming, the footballs happening earlier, or at least, you know, it's Halloween night. It's the same thing.
Maybe not a football game, but maybe the team's together. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe the team's together. It's Halloween night.
We fucking got to play Cheneyville. Oh, fuck.
We played him. We fucking killed him.
Yeah. And then Michael just goes in and rips him to pieces.

Speaker 1 Like quarterback, watching. Cheerleaders.
Cheerleaders. He would have liked that.
Fucking offensive lineman try to step up. That's my fucking quarterback.
Get the fuck out of here, bro.

Speaker 1 Mike could have even suited up as tight end or something. Yeah, and got out there and caught a couple passes.

Speaker 1 This is getting really exciting, guys. He's Tyler Warren out there, basically.
Yeah, he's doing his own thing. They guess he'd be terrible because he goes too slow.

Speaker 1 But I mean, but they throw him a screen passing, but

Speaker 1 you could not bring him down. No, that's true.
He's going to mummy his way all the way to the, so much stuff. That's really good.

Speaker 1 CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How to stake a word.
So you did yours. Corey Strode, yeah.
Did you have one? Yes. I believe that Michael Myers was radicalized by the OJ trial.

Speaker 1 That hadn't happened yet. Hadn't happened yet.
This is just overall not in this movie. So I looked this up.

Speaker 1 As I saw this movie, I realized that in the movies that I've watched, Michael Myers didn't kill any black people like on screen. A black lady dies in this, but we see her after.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like Michael Myers, maybe she, maybe he killed her, maybe he didn't.

Speaker 2 We don't even know. Oh, yeah, somebody else could have killed her.

Speaker 1 Michael Myers did not kill a black person on screen until 2002's Halloween. Was it Resurrection?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the one where it's set in the like the reality show. Right.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking to myself, so Michael Myers, this entire time, you could make an argument that's been an ally. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 What would have happened

Speaker 1 in the 90s for Michael Myers to go, you know what? Nah, fuck that.

Speaker 1 I got to get my revenge. Oh, so you think the OJ trial? Yeah.
I think Michael Myers was in the,

Speaker 1 he's in the institution. They got court TV.

Speaker 1 It's playing non-stop.

Speaker 2 He's watching Leno every night.

Speaker 1 He's watching the dancing Edos. It's all getting into Myers' head.
And Myers is seeing what he thinks is this crazy injustice. And he goes, fuck it.
I got to get my get back.

Speaker 1 And then by the time 2000, that movie, he killed Tyra Banks in that movie.

Speaker 2 Do you think that years later, Mike gets re-radicalized by seeing one battle after another? And he's like, Profidia got a raw deal.

Speaker 1 Exactly, right? So, I think he's really affected by what happens in pop culture. I think it really gets inside of his head.

Speaker 1 So, when I'm watching this, because I did a whole breakdown, I don't know if you can see this, but Michael Myers then goes crazy with giving love, killing, to the community.

Speaker 1 He starts putting up numbers after this. He's like Daenero.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Be careful. That's one of our guys.
I know.

Speaker 1 He gives a lot of love to the community.

Speaker 1 He loves the community. He loves the community.

Speaker 1 He loves

Speaker 1 the community. Robert De Niro is a lover of the community.
But in the Rob Zombie films, he got three. The Blumhouse trip, three.
So all of this is coming. It doesn't really start until 2002.

Speaker 1 I was thinking to myself, it had to be the OJ trial. Had to be.
Yeah, even the nurse in this movie.

Speaker 1 Nurse Alvis. We don't see it.
That's what I'm saying. We don't see she's there, but we don't see it.
That could have happened.

Speaker 1 The dude that we thought was Michael Myers that got incinerated, he could have killed her. We can't put that one on Mike is my point.

Speaker 1 My hottest take,

Speaker 1 I think the general consensus is the Home Alone parents are the worst movie parents of all time, right? Yeah. Just not only do they lose the kid once, they lose him again in Home Alone 2.

Speaker 1 I actually think it's Lori Strode's parents. Like, let's really think about this.
Lori's babysitting. The parents are at at some sort of Halloween party.
It's a wee party or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're basically at it. We've covered this in Halloween one.
They must have been at an eyes wide shut party. But at some point,

Speaker 1 at some point, this becomes the story in Haddonfield, right?

Speaker 1 I know we had the internet back then, but the serial murder, multiple people were killed, including the sheriff's daughter, and their daughter was stabbed, got away, and is now at the hospital.

Speaker 1 This fucking girl's at the hospital all night. The parents are never there.
Even in the morning, at the end of the movie, and the ambulance is taking her away.

Speaker 2 still no parents do you where were her parents can make the argument that that is that is played plays into the idea that michael's her that it's not her their biological daughter and they're like oh see like now he now she's a true myers she's not our daughter oh you think they like disowned her because they might try to kill her yeah well where were they

Speaker 1 At some point, they have to come back.

Speaker 2 They get loosely written out of this movie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think all the parenting in this movie is terrible, Van. I agree.
Sheriff Brackett, Halloween 1, Loomis is like, this guy's a fucking serial killer. We got to get this guy.
He's not human.

Speaker 1 And he's like, yeah, well, my daughter's doing some babysitting tonight. I'm not going to give her a heads up to get out of it.

Speaker 1 None of the parents care about the kids, but I think this was what the 70s were like. Yeah.
Yeah. Taking advantage of the fact that the kids were kind of just literally.

Speaker 1 Kids just kind of did their own thing. Parents were like,

Speaker 1 yeah, parents were like, just don't get hit by a car. was basically the attitude.
But I don't know what happened to Lori's parents. We just never saw them.

Speaker 1 At no point did they go to the hospital and check out, check her out.

Speaker 2 I think it's actually introducing them. You either have to kill them, or they would be arguing the entire premise of the movie, yeah,

Speaker 1 or they were into some kinky shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like this is like

Speaker 1 an all-night ice storm kind of thing.

Speaker 1 Ice hospital, yeah, ice storm in it. The key party, I love that movie party, so they're like five quales in, yeah, yeah, they just they can't even

Speaker 1 Plato's retreat, yeah, yeah, it's like Leo and Wolf of Wall Street, yeah, yeah, yeah, they just all, whatever, they don't even realize they have a daughter.

Speaker 1 Who's Lori?

Speaker 1 Who's that?

Speaker 1 I have a special category just for CR. Oh.
The Edie Falco and Copland Award for the character that got three times hotter by smoking. Loomis's assistant, the rabbit and red nurse from Hollywood.

Speaker 1 Marian Chambers? Yeah. She breaks out the sig, gets the thing from Loomis, and just starts smoking a dart.
She's pretty good. She did.
Oh, Milfie. Yes.
What's her name?

Speaker 2 Marion Chambers.

Speaker 1 Marion Chambers. She's in the first one.
I thought you said Marilyn Chambers. No, I didn't.
I was about to say, I would have recognized her. She's in the first one.

Speaker 1 She's in the car driving to go to the sanitarium.

Speaker 2 She sees that, like, yeah, he tries to.

Speaker 1 He's like, don't you think you could refer to it as him? And he's like, if you say so.

Speaker 1 And they just have like the weirdest exchange. Bill's really good at Loomis.
Bill is just kind of Loomis.

Speaker 2 Why did the governor unseal a file? But like, there's no cops

Speaker 2 on the streets.

Speaker 1 You know why I'm good at Loomis? Because I've watched him for 48 years,

Speaker 1 staring at the screen, staring through the screen.

Speaker 2 You look into Chris's eyes, there's nothing there.

Speaker 1 I like when he goes, this is their wake.

Speaker 2 One of their tribe has been taken.

Speaker 1 I talked about my buddy from high school, Jeff Gallo. Like one of the first things we bonded over was how fucking funny Dr.
Loomis was. Like literally, I think it was the number one thing.

Speaker 1 We just couldn't get enough of the comedy of him. Speaking of comedy, the Van Lathan Award for did this movie need more black people.
We rarely get to give this out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, the case, you could say yes because there's only one black character. You could say no

Speaker 1 because we are in Haddonfield and it seems like white people land. So, what's the answer? So, it's not, but I did, it's no.
There's

Speaker 1 doesn't need more black people, but I appreciated something about this movie. I wrote this down in this category.

Speaker 1 Movies woke.

Speaker 1 It's a very woke movie. Okay.

Speaker 1 There's a scene in this movie where a black nurse lectures. A white woman, yeah.
A white woman on the virtue of being on time. And professionalism.
And professionalism. I saw that.

Speaker 1 I was like, I see what y'all doing. Yeah.
Black nurse, consummate professional. Yeah.
Whatever. She got killed.
I don't think it was Michael Myers. I think it was somebody else.

Speaker 2 What's up with this? Why don't you think it was Michael Myers?

Speaker 1 Because Michael is, he's too intentional. I just don't think it was Michael Myers.
He was framed. I think he was framed.
I think he was framed.

Speaker 1 I think killing after the OJ trial, but they did that on purpose to put a message in the movie. Look, we care about our jobs.
Appreciate it. Cast and went ifs, couldn't find any.

Speaker 1 Best That Guy Award, Leo Rossi.

Speaker 2 I got a different one.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. What do you have?

Speaker 2 Jeffrey Kramer, who's the mortician in this movie, is also Roy Scheider's deputy in Jaws.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great.

Speaker 2 He's a deputy Hendrix in this.

Speaker 1 Another category we don't get to give out often, best IMDb stat padding. Dana Carvey just getting to be in the credits.
It just feels like a bigger movie.

Speaker 2 Had you ever seen Nurse Karen played by Pamela Susan Shoup? She was on the Fall Guy Mod Squad, BJ and the Bear.

Speaker 2 No, Simon and Simon.

Speaker 1 Was there Charlie's Angels in there or no? No.

Speaker 2 Wonder Woman, the Incredible Hulk and Berger.

Speaker 1 She definitely bounced around in those roles. There was a lot of, there were the handsome guys who might become evil that were always on Charlie's Angels or Love Boat.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then a lot of Pamela Shoups. just bouncing around those different TV shows.

Speaker 1 Was Dana Carvey in this enough to do what they started doing in the mid to late 90s was he good enough to do uh a vhs cover re-editing no so that they could put like yeah like put dana carve

Speaker 1 um hanks hanks that time that do that dana carvey blows up and then it's like uh halloween too and they got the cast on there i think he said before on pods like where he's like i brought like all my friends to the theater to see this yeah like i'm he claimed he lights online so i don't know if i believe it dion waiter's a word i think that has to go to ben tramer for one of the funniest

Speaker 1 45-second kids of all. Legitimately, a heat check.

Speaker 1 Recasting couch director City.

Speaker 1 Tom Hanks is Jimmy.

Speaker 1 The Lance guest part. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He had the hair.
Kind of looked like Tom Hanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Heather Thomas as the blonde nurse. Just get her in this.
Love her.

Speaker 1 No? Catherine Bach as the Pamela Shoup character.

Speaker 2 You're hitting up some names on that. Who's Heather Thomas?

Speaker 1 Heather Thomas from The Fall Guy. Okay.
You know her. Come on.
Okay. Band knows.
You know her. Sorry.
Well, there's a, whatever I'm not even going to talk about. Not big in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you know. That's right.
It wasn't big in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1 moved into what's age the best but you can do it here yeah it's just one final unintentional comedy moment in this movie like basically the last scene one kind of last lack of attention detail i just love when the paramedic is bringing lori out towards the ambulance and she's had an ankle injury the whole day yeah she like basically has a cam scatter boot she can't walk yeah and it's he just gets her out of her wheelchair and has to put her into the back of the ambulance.

Speaker 1 And there's no like stretcher up. And he just goes, big step.
And she's got a

Speaker 2 doesn't she also say, I want to ride up front? And he's like, no, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 He makes her get him out of the wheelchair and he goes, big step now. And she's going to put

Speaker 1 all the weight on it.

Speaker 1 It's so good.

Speaker 1 There's apparently an alternate ending when she's in the ambulance with Jimmy. that they cut.
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't know if Jimmy died or not. What was Jimmy's injury? Broken ribs, collapsed lungs.
Oh, he fell in and he got back.

Speaker 2 Some concussion or something.

Speaker 1 Concussion. Like fracture of his.
Yeah, he had to go in the blue tent.

Speaker 2 That's a low-key Ruffalo Rubinik moment is his like, I'm injured acting.

Speaker 2 It looks like he's dead.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Half-Fast Center Research.

Speaker 1 They thought about originally setting the sequel a few years later. and having Myers

Speaker 1 tracking Lori to her new home in a high-rise apartment building. And I got to say, I'm all in.
If she, it was 1981 LA. Lori didn't go to college.

Speaker 2 It's night stalker.

Speaker 1 She's like an assistant at like Paramount movie studio or something, living in a high-rise.

Speaker 1 Trying to think of, no, I'm definitely in on it. Didn't, wasn't there a serial killer movie of some sort that did something like this a little bit later where he tracks her down or he tracks her.

Speaker 2 That's basically Maxine, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tracks her down and where she's living. Yeah, but that works, though.
Once again, it puts it. Even the Midnight had a little little of that, the Bronson one.

Speaker 2 I think that would have been really cool.

Speaker 1 The plot twist

Speaker 1 of Lori being Michael's sister, Carpenter said

Speaker 1 there wasn't much of a story left, and we had to come up with something was basically his theory. The Morningside Hospital is where they filmed all the hospital stuff.

Speaker 1 It's on 8711 South Harvard, and it's been torn down and is now a senior living facility.

Speaker 1 So congratulations to all of them.

Speaker 1 Pamela Shup

Speaker 1 Can you imagine a bunch of old people sitting around the speaker listening to rewatchables?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 This is amazing. Congratulations to all of them.

Speaker 2 The sports guys.

Speaker 1 Pamela Shup.

Speaker 1 It's called

Speaker 1 Harvard Yard Senior Apartments. Okay.
Okay. Yeah.
Shout out to the staff.

Speaker 1 Pamela Shoup said the hot tub. Her bloodstream drained.

Speaker 1 Pamela Shoup said the hot tub scene gave her an ear infection.

Speaker 1 The water was cold and dirty. They were playing it off like the water was boiling, but it was absolutely freezing.
Leo and I were so cold, our teeth were chattering.

Speaker 1 So why couldn't they heat it up a little bit?

Speaker 1 It's very strange.

Speaker 1 Carpenter said he had no influence over the direction. Saw cut said it was, quote, as scary as Quincy.

Speaker 1 We had to do some post-production work and added a couple scenes to try to make a more horror movie.

Speaker 2 I would not describe this movie as really scary.

Speaker 2 First Halloween is really scary. This movie's more of like a comedy, obviously.
It's a horror in retrospect, but it's a hang. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was, it was, it scared me when I was a kid, but I watch it now and it's just, it's like, just for fun. It's just enjoyable.
Yeah. TV cut, the ending is Jimmy alive.
He's got a bandaged head wound.

Speaker 1 He's in the ambulance with Lori. They hold hands.
Lori says, we made it. I think that's on the 4K.

Speaker 1 And Carpenter, some of the scenes he reshot was the Boombox Boy because he thought the biggest flaw in the cut he saw was how would Myers know to go to the hospital? Right.

Speaker 1 So he's like, if I put Boombox Boy in there, then Myers will know to go to the hospital.

Speaker 1 Dick Warlock, two roles in this.

Speaker 1 Not only does he play the shape, he plays the policeman who accidentally hits Ben Tramer with the patrol car and crashes it. Damn the van.

Speaker 1 So he's really on fire. Drove the car himself.
Wow.

Speaker 2 It's like gosling and drive.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then there's

Speaker 1 Pamela Susan Shoup gave a long interview to Femme Fatale magazine in 2001 about all the nudity stuff with this and

Speaker 1 how Deborah Hill saved the day. So there you go.
Apex Mountain. Myers? No.
No, not at all. Jamie Lee, no.
Pleasants, no. Really?

Speaker 1 Nothing for anybody here unless you want to say that.

Speaker 2 It would just be mistaken identity car accidents.

Speaker 1 Is it slasher era? No, no, no, no. Is it the apex mountain of, no, because that would be Rocky 2, of sequels that take place directly after the original? I think that's Rocky 2.
That's Rocky 2.

Speaker 1 How about Slasher Era, though? Because Slasher is 79 to 83, basically. Is this the best movie from that era?

Speaker 2 Is Friday 13th 2 in that era?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that's better than Halloween 2.

Speaker 1 I think Silent Rage is the best one of this era.

Speaker 1 But nobody will do it with me.

Speaker 1 i'll do it with you but you just nobody cares

Speaker 1 how about hospital horror movies i i watched never mind

Speaker 1 hospital horror movies yeah uh exorcist three is my favorite hospital horror movie it is exorcist three another good one yeah

Speaker 1 terrifying exorcist three yes yeah it is to me top five, top three, most frightened I've ever been. Terrifying.
Greatest jump scare in movie history.

Speaker 1 It's pretty slow on a rewatch, and then it heats up when we get into the hospital. Cruise or Hanks.

Speaker 2 You said Hanks for the paramedic, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was trying, I tried to

Speaker 1 test drive Cruz in my head for a second. I think I don't see it.
Scorsese or Spielberg?

Speaker 2 I don't really know because this is like Rosenthal doing Carpenter. So it's so weird to be like, which of those two?

Speaker 1 We almost like, we can't count that one.

Speaker 1 What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? How about the Leo Rossi part? Yeah, that would have been pretty.

Speaker 2 pretty in the hot tub.

Speaker 1 As Freddie from Tell It's a Mr. Ripley.

Speaker 1 Hey, baby. What's the peeking? Tom.

Speaker 1 How's the peeping? Picking nets. There's some time stuff with this.
So, when Halloween one, what time is it when all the murders are going down? It's going to be like 11, right?

Speaker 2 It starts in school's still in.

Speaker 1 They drive to the houses. Wait, when does Halloween start or when does Halloween one?

Speaker 1 When they drive to the houses, it's like seven o'clock. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
And then we also have the boyfriend comes over. They have sex.
There's murders. Like it's probably like four hours.

Speaker 1 It feels like it's already like

Speaker 1 10.30.

Speaker 2 I think let's let's call it like seven to 10.

Speaker 1 Okay. So let's say 10.
Let's go generous, say 10.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 murders happen.

Speaker 1 Police shows up. Now we're at 10.30, probably 11 range.
Why is downtown Haddonfield still so hopping? Well, it's Halloween night. It's Halloween night.
We're going to have a hill. It's 11 o'clock.

Speaker 1 We already established a Halloween one. Nobody's still awake when she's yelling and running around the street.
These kids are out there. Those are all young people.

Speaker 1 Those are not the people from the Harvard. They're all going to house.
It's a living facility. It's the chill.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm saying downtown's pretty hopping at 11 o'clock.

Speaker 2 Karen's shift, I bet, is midnight to eight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Karen's like, I'm going to be late for my shift.

Speaker 1 So how long are we at the hospital? Basically all night?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? Yeah, because in the Halloween two.

Speaker 2 It's dawn when they leave the hospital.

Speaker 1 Dawn when they leave the hospital. So that's over the course of six hours? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And she actually does say, Karen's like, it takes me five minutes to drive you home, five minutes to drive back to the hospital. So everything in Haddonfield is five minutes away.

Speaker 1 Right. And once again, when you, the people you see out there are still the whipper snappers out there who, if you've been around Halloween, they're going to be out all night.

Speaker 1 Does Myers have to eat or go to the bathroom at any point during this stretch? Does Myers go to the bathroom? Obsession is his food. He pisses out fear.
Does he just go to the bathroom in

Speaker 1 his gas station outfit or does he go to bathroom like an animal you think he's just constantly shitting and pissing himself

Speaker 1 i think he's he's probably pissing

Speaker 1 does he eat any food he's the shape yeah he's like a not a human thing he's not human in halloween one he eats that they find the dead dog and he's like man wouldn't do that and he's like he got hungry Loomis says that it's like insinuating he ate the dog.

Speaker 1 I think he probably has

Speaker 2 he was hungry to kill.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 So then, wait a minute. So then if he ate the dog, then at some point he'd have to take a crap.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's still. So maybe he doesn't eat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Still saying that.
Maybe he doesn't.

Speaker 1 No cops at the hospital guarding Lori.

Speaker 2 Do you think it would have been funny if Michael had been like, I'm taking the butcher knife and then I'm taking the sandwich?

Speaker 1 I need some energy. I'm hungry.
Lifts the mask up. No cops at the hospital guarding Lori.
Not anybody. Just going to drop her off.

Speaker 1 They're all murderers out there. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Here's a good nitpick. They're checking out the burned burned body.

Speaker 1 This is probably within an hour of the accident.

Speaker 1 There's not still smoke coming off that body, and doesn't the body stink?

Speaker 1 It's like a burning corpse.

Speaker 1 They you see in normal movies, they put like the thing underneath the noses, right? They put the like the smell so bad

Speaker 1 to the lambs they do. They're just hanging out with this dead burned body.
Checking his teeth. You're not, you guys aren't with me on this.
My goodness,

Speaker 1 they're talking about the age. There are no feelings.
It's like this. You'd be like, ah, Jesus.

Speaker 1 The hot nurse in a million years. That's a 17-year-old kid.
I know.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I apologize.
The hot nurse in a million years is not with that guy. No.
No.

Speaker 2 She's with a guy who, like, who do you think she's with in that town?

Speaker 1 Nurse Karen. Probably the drunk doctor probably took a good guy.

Speaker 1 What about the good-looking cop guy?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 strong jaw guy.

Speaker 2 Maybe there's a guy who works at like a used bookstore and she's she's just like, I really like him, but he needs to put his career together.

Speaker 1 One thing I will say about these

Speaker 1 bomb back salad

Speaker 1 was a slow burn, but that was good. One thing I will say about these slasher movies is the assholes get laid.
Yeah. And all of these slasher movies, it's like,

Speaker 1 shut up, Rick. And then two scenes later, you fucking Rick.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like this, that's Kevin Bacon or Friday the 13th.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That guy, the sleazy guy, he had a, he basically said to Lance guest character, Jimmy, like, don't get involved with Laurie. There's one rule, you can't get involved with the patients.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And then proceeds to go down to the hot tub room and fuck a nurse. And that's fucking nurse.
That rule is fine. That guy's an idiot.

Speaker 2 He says, nurses, that's one thing.

Speaker 1 And then the hospital is obviously too dead for the night shift, but Rosenthal said he based it on an experience that he had with his wife when the hospital they were at was so deserted at night, they thought it was creepy, and he just kind of filed that away.

Speaker 1 That's not what they did.

Speaker 1 The other murder nitpick I had, other than lifting somebody in the back with a scalpel up in the air, which I'm still not buying, wouldn't Myers have burned his hands in the scalding hot hot tub?

Speaker 1 What's going on here? It's ripping her face off.

Speaker 1 Can Myers not get burned? You can

Speaker 1 shot his head.

Speaker 1 You continue to skin can, but his hands are going to be fine after that.

Speaker 2 But you're really focused on what his impression

Speaker 2 feels like. And it's like, we're talking about Michael Myers.

Speaker 1 He was shot. How many times did he be? He was shot over the bottom.

Speaker 2 He was shot 15 times.

Speaker 1 20 times. And then he was shot in the head.
He's a human. In the head, close range.

Speaker 1 He can bleed, though. He can bleed.
So he can't get burned, but he can bleed.

Speaker 1 I don't think that my question is, I don't think that the burning skin, that the burning is going to affect him. I don't think Michael Myers is going to go, oh, like,

Speaker 1 why is that so hot? Yeah, like, oh, like, you know,

Speaker 1 uh, she shoots Loomis gives Laurie a cult trooper MK3,

Speaker 1 and Lori shoots Michael twice in the eyes from close range with it. And apparently, in reality, if you shot somebody from that close with that gun, their head would just blow out from the back.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 this was like a BB gun, fucking done. Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 1 Any other nitpicks?

Speaker 2 Nothing that we haven't talked about already.

Speaker 1 Sequel, prequel, prestige TB, all blackcaster, untouchable.

Speaker 1 Sequel. I mean, yeah, they've literally done everything.
What's the all-black cast version of Halloween Resurrection? It's not all black, is it? Well, mostly black.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. Well, they haven't done them all.
That movie is better.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treyo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilfred Brimley and the firm.

Speaker 1 This movie could have used Sam, honestly.

Speaker 1 Sam as either the guy driving the car when Loomis is like, we have to turn around. He would have been good.

Speaker 1 Sam, why are you smiling at me? I'm wearing the hearing. Let's hear it.
Sam,

Speaker 1 Sam,

Speaker 1 who was the guy who checked out the fat sheriff guy who checks out the basement? That could have been

Speaker 1 Mr. Garrett.

Speaker 1 No, I was thinking Collinsworth for this, though. Okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, my! I'm so excited! Lori and Michael are reunited. This is just like everyone could have seen a cozy baby sibling.
We knew they would get back together tonight, Mike. It's just so great.

Speaker 1 They have such a great thing.

Speaker 2 I had, uh, I'm surprised you left this on the table.

Speaker 1 I had Byron Mayo. Oh, let's hear.

Speaker 2 Byron Mayo is bud. It's like, Karen, come on in.

Speaker 1 The water's warm.

Speaker 1 Don't worry, it doesn't get scalding in this physical therapy. I burn off fluids that come out of us.

Speaker 1 You don't think Sam kind of worses Loomis too?

Speaker 1 Sam would have been an amazing Loomis.

Speaker 1 Shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That motherfucker ain't human.

Speaker 1 His eyes, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 There's other than him.

Speaker 1 I watched it for 15 fucking years.

Speaker 1 Just want to ask her who gets it. The score? I don't know who.
I really don't know how to ask her where they start. Score question mark, but like what? Yeah.
Tough one.

Speaker 1 All right. Probably unanswerable questions.

Speaker 1 Did Sheriff Brackett get divorced? I'll start there.

Speaker 1 The wife's blaming him immediately. Yeah, because he has.
He fucking knew. You were with this guy all day.
Didn't you know there was a serial killer? You let our daughter babysit, you motherfucker.

Speaker 1 You worthless piece of shit. Fuck you.
You can protect everybody in this town. You can't protect your own fucking family.
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 Did you have one? The cop who kills the kid?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Suspension without pay?

Speaker 2 Are they like, we're kind of shorthanded?

Speaker 1 We're going to need you to just come back to work somewhere.

Speaker 1 I had, did Ben Tramer's parents sue the city of Haddonfield? Is there a march in Haddonfield? Yeah.

Speaker 2 The other thing is, like, for a second, if you're that cop, first of all, I didn't know if

Speaker 2 the cop didn't die in that, uh, in the crash.

Speaker 1 No, you got out of the crash.

Speaker 2 So, do you think for one second, he's like, I fucking did it.

Speaker 1 I killed my colleague.

Speaker 1 got the starting picture on the Hadifield baseball team.

Speaker 1 Um, when Lori's parents finally did get a hold of her, how do you think that combo went?

Speaker 1 Like, you never told me that Michael Myers was my brother.

Speaker 2 You're my adopted parents.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and where have you guys been? Yeah, right. I've been transferred to a second hospital.
I've been stabbed. I just watched nine people.

Speaker 1 All my friends are dead. The fuck.
And by the way, just to let you know, all of this just happened. And then when I was getting into the ambulance, the guy fucking made me take a step up.

Speaker 1 Oh, my shit is fucking up. He broke my ankle.
He broke my ankle. I'm going to be like Jason Tatum when he tries to come back at Christmas.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 He looked beyond. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't like that.

Speaker 1 It's all ticker to be 0-7 on Saturday night.

Speaker 1 What would have been the funniest Dana Carvey use?

Speaker 1 Like, could Dana Carvey have added some comedy?

Speaker 1 Well, we could have had Church Lady doing like public access TV and being like this is like michael myers has come because of satan or he just starts doing a couple imitations yeah like he because he did a great johnny carson i just feel like they had dana carvey right there they should have he's on sno five years later yeah yeah could have had him got some comedy yeah what piece of memorability can i ask an unanswerable question yeah since when do all the hot teens work at a hospital They're not teens.

Speaker 2 They're like in their late 20s, right? All early 20s.

Speaker 1 None of those were high schoolers? No. Oh, they were all older.
Yeah. Yeah, they're like young adults.
Yeah, they don't hang out. You know, it just happened to you.

Speaker 1 What happened to you is the thing that happens looking back at these movies now where you can't really fucking tell how old somebody is.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because everybody back then just seemed

Speaker 1 27. Yeah,

Speaker 1 there's not much space between.

Speaker 1 Regardless, though, it just seemed like it was like a lot of like cool, young, hip-hop people working at a hospital. Sure.
In this little town. Like that was the cool job to have.

Speaker 1 It was like spooky breakfast club up in that.

Speaker 2 All of my unanswered questions are Bill Simmons' theory of how would Michael know how to drive. That's just like, how would he know what Sam Hain is? How would he know how needles work?

Speaker 2 How would he know?

Speaker 1 It's the evil thing in his brain that just he hears voices that guide him. Piece of memorability would you want or not want from this movie? The mask would clearly be number one.

Speaker 1 I think that's like, I don't know how much the mask from these first two movies would actually be worth if they had it, but I think it's like probably like five or six million dollars when you see like the Hollywood props.

Speaker 2 Like this nicotine stained mask.

Speaker 1 The original mask from the first two movies. Yeah, Yeah, I think it would be one of the biggest collectors.

Speaker 2 Baptized in Deborah Hill's marble.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it would be one of the biggest movie collector items you can. The fucking volleyball from Castaway went for like $700,000.

Speaker 2 If you had it, would you have it out for people to try?

Speaker 1 No, that's in a safe. No.
Yeah, you can't. It's too expensive.

Speaker 1 It's one of the great things you could own, I think.

Speaker 1 Like, look at the fucking mat. It's the mat.
It's the mask.

Speaker 1 One of the great things.

Speaker 1 Seporate smoked all over the space. You could buy a Rothko, but you're like, nope, it's one of the great things.
I'm saying from a movie. I got you.
Yeah. Yes.
You don't think it would be in the

Speaker 1 like a third-round pick in a draft? $6 million is a little OD. I'm trying to look this up.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it would be $6 million.

Speaker 1 $6 million is a lot of money.

Speaker 1 But you know that world better than I do. I just, this whole Hollywood prop world exploded.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When the Shawshank Bible went for like $600,000, that made me think the mask is probably worth at least five times. At least two mil.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This started, it's the mask that started 50 years of horror movies, basically. We should have, yeah.

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 1 I bet that we would look it up. Okay.
It says right here, michaelmyers.net. He has it on eBay for sale with the asking price.
This is from 2012 of a cool $1 million.

Speaker 1 Oh. The actual mask? I thought the actual mask was on michael-myers.net.
So I don't know. Don't get a virus.
Yeah. I'm looking at it now.
CoachFince.com, best life lesson.

Speaker 1 Just find your kids when there's a homicidal maniac on the loose in your neighborhood.

Speaker 1 If you're any kind of a parent, just find out where they are and go get them.

Speaker 2 Have a phone chain. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Best double feature choice Halloween one.

Speaker 1 Who won the movie?

Speaker 1 You got to go with Big Mikey, Mikey Mike, right? Big Myers.

Speaker 2 It's crazy, but

Speaker 2 it's pleasant for me.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 For as ridiculous as he is,

Speaker 2 he is like the kind of like the character who goes on an arc and is in the most scenes and is kind of dominating the movie.

Speaker 1 I love how committed he is to the bitch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Could be like in that car ride, assuming that they never turn around. They're just driving.

Speaker 2 It's crazy that he made like five of these or six five of them. Coming back.
Has a stroke at the end, is back, blows up, comes back.

Speaker 1 He kind of is my fires. Well, they say he survived the fire.

Speaker 2 And there was a little bit of scar tissue. and four.

Speaker 1 We talked about that with Halloween four. Tough to imagine anyone survived the fire.
I like that Lori also knows what's going on when they're turning in the gas. She starts doing it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would have been like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah.
Why are you doing the gas? Anyway, Craig, what do you got?

Speaker 1 These are definitely my types of horror films. I don't love really, really scary movies, but this is that perfect sweet spot.
I like these because they just feel like the holidays.

Speaker 2 They feel like the fall.

Speaker 1 I think the town is like charming and and warm. You just kind of want to be there.
It's great. I just like the way it looks and feels.
It's 90 minutes.

Speaker 2 The score is fantastic.

Speaker 1 The unintentional comedy, it's great. I was thinking, you know, since the Halloween movies have been going on for so long, are there a lot of other horror films set around Halloween?

Speaker 1 Or does this franchise kind of have Halloween?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 nobody's fucked with it. I wish there were more movies.
Saturn Live. Nobody will do another nighttime sketch show on the weekend.
That's so weird. How many Christmas movies are there?

Speaker 1 Like, I wish there were more movies set on Halloween. They do movies set around Halloween time, but not really like horror movies.

Speaker 2 The VHS anthology that just came out, because VHS is like a short films in one anthology every year, that just is a Halloween one this year. It's set on trickery.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, Halloween became different. It became like, it started to become like a fun holiday.
They had to reclaim it because you got to sell that candy and make people feel safe about it.

Speaker 1 Now it's an adult thing and whatever. But the movies that they would make about Halloween would be like Disney Channel movies.
Yeah. Spook Town or Halloween Town, whatever the fuck they got going.

Speaker 1 Well, the difference with Halloween in LA versus other cities is it's way more celebrated out here by adults, like with the decoration of the houses. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just don't,

Speaker 1 it was one of the things that struck me when I moved out here, like how much time and care and thought people put into

Speaker 1 celebrating Halloween with decorations. I want to ask you guys about that because being from the Bible Belt,

Speaker 1 there was a celebration, there was celebrated Halloween, but you were never going to see, I mean, you can go to New Orleans maybe, but you were never going to see the type of Halloween celebration in Baton Rouge that you would see here ever.

Speaker 1 It's just not going to happen. Was Halloween a big deal in college when you guys were in college?

Speaker 2 No, see, it switched for me where, you know, when I was a little kid, everybody was just going as like Luke Skywalker or Batman or whatever. And then

Speaker 2 there was like a period of time basically, like when I feel like. haunted house experiences really started popping off again.
Yeah. And it would be like, oh, we can go to this thing.

Speaker 2 And it's like barely, barely kind of overseen by the law like it might get kind of weird in there and stuff and like that's kind of when i got keyed back into it is when you know they have out here the haunted hayride and stuff like that that is a good point halloween terror horror nights it was a big thing in massachusetts because of salem sure salem was always like you would take the ride out it was super creepy there the witches that is actually true in baton rouge they did have like this just

Speaker 1 ridiculously scary, a scary haunted house.

Speaker 1 It's called like the 13th Gate or something like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Scared the shit out of you. And then there was also a cornfield maze, like a legitimate cornfield maze that was off there.
I think off Nicholson somewhere, but there was like a terribly scary

Speaker 1 haunted house, like the Karn Evil 13th Gate type of thing. They did have that.
People will go to.

Speaker 2 Did I ever tell you the best haunted house I ever went to was in like Hudson Valley, New York?

Speaker 2 And you're up there, it's night. You go through a regular haunted house, and you're kind of like, this is cool.
Like, I had no idea this was coming. So you go through this haunted house.

Speaker 2 You're like, that's what, that was pretty good. You you know we're out here in the country this was pretty fun you get to the end of the haunted house and an attendant there is like

Speaker 2 get on the bus get on the bus and so you like like your whole crew that you've been with gets on like a school bus and over the school bus radio as this guy is driving you out into like cornfields the radio is talking about how there's been a chemical leak and there's been a zombie outbreak and he drives you out to like the far side of a cornfield and you have to get through the cornfield while being chased by zombies no way

Speaker 1 panic attack really

Speaker 1 I'm going to like,

Speaker 1 I'm going to run for a little bit. Then I'm going to sit down in the middle of a cornfield.
I'm going to be like, I'm out. Yeah.
It's, there's no more fun.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Stop

Speaker 1 safe for fucking bothering me. Could be a bunch of actors playing the zombies chasing you.
Not fans like pineapple.

Speaker 1 And that's what happens. You get to a point to where that I would get so overwhelmed by fear.

Speaker 2 I'll be like, guys, stop. It was really the surprise, though.
It was like being put on the bar.

Speaker 1 Because that is awesome because you're on there and you're like, is this fucking happening?

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck is going on what are you guys at with escape rooms if you ever done one do you like them do you enjoy it ben simmons has been to 30 of them really it's a big la thing yeah his him and his friends go i went to a lot when i first moved to la when i was in my like early mid-20s we went to a lot of escape rooms it's a huge thing right now okay yeah yeah

Speaker 1 um that's it for halloween too will we ever do another halloween h2o maybe i would do h2o yeah like you just swear you're just out on season of the witch so yeah h2o is probably never less likely yeah h2o uh

Speaker 1 that was the halloween movie that I saw as a teenager in the movie theaters with the people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. That was when Hartford was a little bit more.

Speaker 1 That was a high school teen movie here. All right.
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