A Sad Day For Women: Thursday, April 3rd, 2025

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Hey, Jax, how you doing?

Hey, coachers, Wogers, Fogers, Sojourner's Truth.

I'm doing good.

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And pre-order just means that you're going to get it like how you would have gotten any merch before, which is just going to take a little time.

Yes, so I am wearing one of our sold-out items.

It is the green.

Like only wearing the things that are sold out.

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They're not sold out because you could get them.

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Yes, exactly.

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I know that shopairmez.com got like a bunch of traffic this morning and they were probably like, what's happening?

But we're here to let them know, like, classic mix-up Hermes are bad.

Yeah.

Won't happen again.

Actually, it probably will.

They're not here for you.

They're here for you.

No.

And they will

see her and they will line up.

Oh, did you see that Rachel Zegler clip?

I'm on the side.

And I can only hope that everything I do and every premiere,

they will line up.

I'm on the side of X where they are serving me.

Insufferable Rachel Zegler content.

Do you think that she was quoting a monologue there?

Because it's like, is she doing a self-tape for an audition?

I think that the first half is a quote and then the second half is like her extrapolation of it because the quote doesn't talk about a premiere.

No, no, no.

Yeah, she's quote, there is a quote, but but is the whole thing perhaps like a famous monologue from a play?

It sounds like she's literally auditioning for something.

I agree with you.

She had to prepare a monologue.

I feel like if that were the case, it would have been debunked so quickly.

Like it would have been known almost.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, oh, you guys are clowning on her.

Like, that was an audition.

But I did see like Rachel Zegler.

We did talk about this on IMDb and then other people noticed.

She has no jobs lined up after Snow White.

No, no, she does.

She's playing Avida in the West End.

She's making her West End dating.

She doesn't go on IMDB, which is a big deal, but movie-wise, no, she doesn't.

I don't know if like that's common.

And I don't think it is.

But

everyone's done something in pre-production, even if it never happens.

She is playing somewhat of a large sort of sought-after role in the West End.

Are you going to go see it?

You're like so up on it.

I'm not up on it.

It's just like a fun fact that I happen to know and like it keeps coming up.

Like I'm keep I keep being able to pull it out of my back pocket.

I don't know if she's there yet actually.

She should go.

But I know she's plans to be there.

She should go.

Today's a special day.

It's my husband's birthday.

It is.

I need to send him like a, maybe I'll post on Instagram.

I'm thinking I might post on Instagram to my prison.

It's crazy if I post on Instagram for him and I like barely post for my husband.

I just find it easier to post like a silly, goofy happy birthday than like an

heartfelt one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

With like the merch launch this morning, I wasn't able to commit to like the heartfelt montage.

I'll do it later today because I know Ben loves a birthday montage and like a public declaration of love.

So does my husband.

He's still waiting for me to post about our anniversary.

So here's my public declaration of love, even though he'll never hear it because he doesn't listen to my podcast.

But if he did, he would hear me say,

happy birthday

to you.

Happy birthday

one jelicious.

Happy birthday

to you.

I feel like Skylar from Bad Breaking Bad, the fact that you haven't watched that show is so crazy.

Yeah.

Well, I want to say thanks to Ben for a great year.

You know, it wasn't like other years.

We spent most of it inside in bed.

I loved every minute of it, but who knows if he actually did or if he's just lying because he doesn't want to enrage me.

Either way, I'll take it.

Well, it's looking like half the year, right?

Yeah, I got into bed in September.

So that's about six months.

He had a very like, and you guys were going to the Hamptons before that, and the farm and the country club.

Like,

he got kind of an active half a year.

Well, whatever it is, I love you.

Happy birthday to

you,

my Aries king.

Okay, I'm older.

Aries, I'm older.

I'm so over horoscopes.

I was never under them, to be clear, but I feel as though we as a society have taken it way too far.

No, it's such like low-hanging intellectual fruit.

Like someone could say something, and because you don't have something to say back, you're like, that's just the cancer in you.

No, I forget where I was.

Where was I

recently?

Maybe with Dana.

She's really into horoscopes.

It's so, it's so contradictory because she's so intellectual.

Someone was asking me about like my horoscope and Ben's horoscope and like what the baby's horoscope is going to be.

And I'm like, it was nice conversation.

Like they were nice people, but I was seriously like, please stop.

I'm surprised you don't tolerate horoscope conversation when it's about you.

Like, because people do try and like give you insight into yourself.

It's so stupid.

Like I actually, even my obsession with talking about myself doesn't even help.

Like it's, I'm sorry, I know this is like offensive to like a wide-ranging group of people, but I seriously think it's the stupidest thing ever.

I just say if you're into our horoscopes like go ahead but you need to have a thick skin like you need to understand i like that people are going to clown on you i like being a vegan right right like do what you need to do but just understand

that people aren't going to understand it but you have to be a disney adult

you know kind of like being a disney adult right take heed from the disney adults they're doing it right They are because they have this weird hobby, but you know what?

They don't give a fuck and they get made fun of all the time.

And it only emboldens them.

Like, don't get offended.

Block out the noise.

Who are we?

Block out the noise.

Who are we?

We're Jax and Clerd, host of the Toast.

Today's going to be a fabulous episode.

It is our last episode of the week, which obviously is devastating for the listeners, exciting for the hosts.

But

it's kind of not because the reason why.

There is no show tomorrow is Jax is taking like a road trip with like her sister, who's not me, to go see their favorite.

They're all going.

I thought just Margo.

No, and Trowdy's going too.

And one of my mom friends.

We're like a little girl gang.

Wow, I've been really replaced.

Yeah, there's like four girls going.

And they're going to see Rascal Flats.

Like the hits start coming and they don't stop coming.

I wish I was waking up tomorrow just to go to work for a regular Friday, but no.

Instead, I'll probably have to throw my phone out the window.

Like, I'm, I know, this is like a much smaller scale of how you felt when we all went to the aerostore and had to leave you behind because of Sir Paggio.

And it was all of your friends from college.

So I can't even begin to complain and like relate to what you went through back then.

But you also don't have crippling like FOMO like I do.

And it's good.

I've booked plans for the weekend.

Like I'm going to stay busy so I can, I seriously, I might have to block you and Margo.

I and Olivia now.

I didn't realize Olivia was going.

You do what you have to do.

And it's just so crazy because I am seriously a Rascal Flat Super fan.

Like what I'm doing this weekend, I would not do for any other artist under the sun, which is just like leave my bubble.

What about like Gavin DeGras?

No, you want to.

That's no, he's more accessible, actually.

I don't worry so much that I'll never see him again.

But I feel like if I don't see Rascal Flax this time around, like I might not ever see them again.

And like that's how important.

That's how important they are to me.

Like I know Gavin will come back around.

So I'm really, really excited.

And this is like, yeah, they're my favorite brand.

I feel like I can say that with certainty because I would not do this for anyone else.

I'm so jealous.

Have the best time.

seriously.

Tomorrow we are going to record something fun when

we have a moment.

Remember, we had that plan for Patreon.

Oh,

no, I don't know.

We're not going to do that.

Oh, I mean, I might be able to.

I might be able to.

Okay, we'll talk.

Well, it's Ben's birthday, so I've planned a little something, you know, a little spot weekend retreat.

Yeah, but I think I'm free in the morning if you, if you.

Okay, we'll sync up.

But you, Ben, and Rodeo have such a cute weekend planned.

Yeah, not as fun as honestly, like, love my husband, as going to Rascal Flats with my sisters.

Like, I know.

Would you call this a baby moon?

I mean, I would because we didn't take anything else, but no.

I think that I was just having this conversation with someone.

The concept of a baby moon is like really nice, but it's so crazy to me because I know a lot of people go like far, you know?

Yeah.

And I don't know, I feel weird about being any further from the doctor than Florida, honestly.

Like, that's, I've been to Florida a couple of times.

That's the only place I've really been in my pregnancy.

And I don't know, I just feel like, what are you going to Zimbabwe?

Yeah, they're like, what about your doctor?

What about your doctor?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I wouldn't leave the country.

But yeah, they'll go to like Italy for the baby moon.

That's really so.

You would have to go, like, not after five months.

But they do because they're there, like, bumping.

Yeah, that's just not me.

So, um,

sure, this is like a mini baby moon.

That implies a maxi baby moon is coming.

Okay, so it's just a moon.

Full moon.

Oh.

I think the phrase full moon is really funny, like in terms of like,

like when you moon someone, like it's your tushy, right?

Oh, that's funny.

I was obviously, I was thinking about the moon, not mooning whatsoever.

Oh, I was thinking about like tushies.

And when you say you're mooning someone.

Well, that's flashing them.

Yeah.

But it's tushy, right?

It's not.

I think it could be.

No, I don't think lifting up your boobies is calling mooning.

Like that's flashing.

I think technically it's all mooning, but you just associate it with tushy, but do some googling.

Let's see what Gemini says.

Mooning is to expose one's buttocks to someone in order to insult or amuse them.

So it's just tushy.

It's just tush.

And is that because, I mean, I'm thinking through my own lens.

Like, I know not everybody has like an ass as white as the moon, but mine is like so white, literally the color of the moon.

Is that where the phrase originates from or no?

I don't think it's about the color.

Maybe it's about the shape.

The shape too, right?

Okay, wait, my phone is easier to talk into.

Hold on.

Where does the term mooning originate from?

Or maybe it's something that like, you know, they did back during the full moon in the cruiser.

The word moon has been used in English to describe the shape of a person's buttocks.

You were right, shape, not me centering myself in my extremely pasty white ass.

It was a good guess.

Mooning as a form of insult or protest can be tracked back even further.

I'm telling you.

Historical accounts suggest that mooning was used by Roman soldiers as a form of crime.

Crusaders.

And there are documented instances of it in medieval Europe as well.

One famous example occurred in 1346 during the siege of Calais, when a Frenchman allegedly mooned English troops.

The modern usage of mooning as a term of deliberately exposing one's backside gained popularity in the 20th century, particularly in Western pop culture, college pranks, and protest movements.

Would you like to know more about specific historical mooning incidents?

Thanks.

Yes, I would.

Why, yes, I would.

Thank you.

That's so funny.

How did he get his armor off so quickly?

Yeah, it wasn't as easy to moon back then.

No, you didn't have pants.

You had like chain link.

I guess like me, now that I'm thinking about it, like me and Ben definitely like moon each other.

Like

that does, I don't think that will surprise anyone.

Like Ben will be like working.

I'm like, look.

It's my Chiji.

Like, I think it's like funny, but I guess it is mooning.

Yeah, what am I?

Like a branding.

For mocking or amusement?

I'm doing it for mocking.

No, amusement, exclusively, entertainment.

And then Ben will do it too.

French soldier.

Oh, I'm really cracking up.

I don't know why.

Like, saying it is like mooning is just funnier than like, I showed my tishy.

Like, whatever, you showed your tushi.

Like, whatever.

It's insane that Ben's working and you're like, hey, look over.

Yeah.

No, like,

not so much these days because I'm not like in love with my body.

Not that I really ever was, but you know, there were times in my life where I was a little bit more comfortable.

French soldier did it because he's in love with his body.

Maybe he did it as like a vicious act of self-love.

That's beautiful.

Yeah.

Such a little history and vocabulary lesson of the day.

Word of the day, mooning.

Try using it in a sentence.

I hope not sporadically, of course.

That's beautiful.

We've got Southern Charm.

Nope.

Summer House.

They're so the same these days.

Literally.

And you and I weren't able to watch last week because we were gallivanting in New York City being socialized.

So today's TV recap is going to be a little extra juicy.

We've got two episodes to recap.

Yeah.

And there was a lot that went down.

How about the stories?

I say the stories

they come together in an obvious way, you know?

Like, I feel like whatever, like I shared, like you've probably seen and it just needs discussing.

So what you're saying is they've come together.

Very Beatles of you.

Yeah.

I don't think I'd say that.

Part Part of the show where we issue corrections from the day prior.

I have to take responsibility for something I was on here bragging.

Like, nobody got me for April Fools.

Meanwhile,

when I was like telling everybody that I read Mickey Madison, Mikey Madison was going to be Cass's yoga owner, and that was like kind of crazy because she's not Asian.

Turns out that was from an account called Pooh Crave, not Pop Crave.

It's like a parody account.

They make up news.

And I often, like, I

more often catch myself, but I really believed it because it's kind of a good goal.

That's what I'm saying.

And it's sad for Mikey Madison that she's not being even considered for.

We don't know that.

Yeah.

Maybe someone will see that and be like, that feels right.

Like I said.

Inspiration.

So I'm sorry to have spread false information.

You know, that goes against everything I believe in.

And I'm here to do better and listen and learn.

Thank you for clearing that up.

And in the battle against disinformation, I, Turtle Ashre Freebush soffer, will do better.

Even though I did say, like, I didn't, I actually looked into it and I didn't see it anywhere else.

So.

Yeah, I just didn't like fully put put together like I had the victim of it.

We're just one letter off.

I'm always one letter off.

That's all.

But

that's what's sad when April Fools are like disappointing.

Like, I know everyone wants, does want like Spritz Manish Ebbetts.

And it's like, well, darn, darn, darn.

I want a diebrow.

Right.

The Dyson eyebrow brush.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There wasn't anything that like was launched that like I really needed.

There's always next year.

Yeah.

Well, I guess we could get into the aforementioned stories in the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Our first story, a little Kelly drama.

Kelly Clarkson allegedly wants to quit her talk show and leave New York City, but NBC is desperate to keep her happy.

So page six is reporting that Kelly is looking to leave her afternoon talk show when her contract expires next year.

And NBC execs are searching for ways to keep her on the network.

Multiple sources have told Page Six exclusively.

So she was off the air for almost two weeks last month for what she described as a personal matter.

Doesn't we don't know if that's related to now sources saying that she wants to step down from the show that she has been helping since 2019 to spend more time with her children.

They say Kelly's number one priority is her children.

They always will be.

The show is grueling.

It's a whole lot of work.

And I hear that Kelly would like to spend more time down south.

Yeah.

Also, I think the show requiring her to live in New York is really crazy.

Like, Kelly's not the elk of a New Yorker.

And I forget why, but like a week or two ago, I was actually Googling trying to find out where Kelly Clarkson lives, like, not to be a freak, but I was just curious because, oh, we were talking about on the toast.

We're like, she probably lives in Westchester or whatever.

People are like, no, she lives in the city.

And I just,

I don't see that for her, especially in her kids.

Like, that's just not Kelly.

So I actually understand lifestyle-wise, why she wouldn't want to live here.

Although I'm sure they could make it work in which she does her show out of Nashville.

Like, if NBC wants her that bad, that's easy.

That seems obvious.

She's not the elk of a city slicker.

And I do know she wants to get back to God's country.

And she's been doing the show and living in New York for six years.

And that's a long time.

Especially maybe it is related to the personal matter, but maybe she just wants a different

way of life.

Like when you do a daily show, like things happen.

So Kelly has to like...

So hard.

And when she has kids, like it's hard not to be like a conspiracy theorist, but I actually don't think anything happened.

Yeah, sometimes you just need two weeks off and you don't want to tell anyone why.

And that's okay.

Yeah, I do agree with that.

But I feel like for Kelly, you know, she needs to go back down south and the show can follow her there or they cannot.

But like, she's in a great position because she probably like doesn't need the money.

She probably likes doing the show, but not more than she likes her life, you know, her personal life.

So great.

If you want to give me everything I want and build a studio in my house on a ranch, sure.

If not, like being able to walk away, it's powerful.

Yeah.

I wonder if there are cities that they could agree on where she would be happy and they could have like guests come through and have their production and stuff.

Yeah, I guess the hard thing is like people who are doing press go to New York and they go to LA for press.

Like that's literally it.

There's not like a

stop in Nashville unless you're a country music singer.

Yeah.

So it's limiting.

It is limiting, but she could just walk away too.

I don't know why.

Like I feel like she should.

This show seems really hard, even though it's really successful.

Like yeah, like I also don't care.

Like I love, I love Kelly and like I love her show.

I love Kelly OK.

I love what it's done for her.

But at the same time i'm not like a big fan of the show itself so like quit i love that for you yeah like leave them wanting more you can go out on top like you had a successful daytime show that's powerful yeah like nobody not and nobody can say that nobody can say that they had a successful daytime show that like they usually choose to rip it from their hands right yeah

so and maybe this would leave time for her to like do more pop star stuff which i would like do more music i do like her hosting era like i love um but i was i'm ready for her to be like a normal celebrity like who does interviews she kind of does and it's a lot of her work is not about her right she's like learning from other people boring I want to hear about Kelly yeah

even that story she told on Kylie Kelsey's podcast that we talked about yesterday about like the person who's hosting who's judging the voice right now who was mean to her like she is interesting let's hear what about Kelly so I actually think if you watched her show

I think she shares personal anecdotes.

And I think like when she has a guest, she also like relates it back to her experience, but you would like have to watch the show.

I know.

And it's not very Gen X of me, like, to not be watching it.

I just, um, that's very like, draw the line.

No, I, I follow them on TikTok and like, I watch all their clips.

It feels like an oath.

It really does.

You kind of get the essence of the show.

Yeah, no, and it's doing great.

And I'm so happy.

I'm so proud of her, you know?

Yeah.

And I think, I don't know, I don't really remember where she was at culturally in 2019, but the show did wonders for her, right?

Especially Kelly Okee with TikTok, like really introduced her to a younger audience.

She's now like the cover queen.

There's like so so many jokes in pop culture.

Don't let Kelly Clarkson cover one of your songs.

So I really feel like it was very good for her.

She spoke, I remember on Watch Robins Live about how she's had a lot of peaks and valleys in her career.

And like, you know, it's been difficult at times to get people to want to make music with her.

And now she's so out of that.

She's like a bona fide icon now.

And I think in large part due to the show and then NBC, like

tapping her toast.

Like seriously, it could be proper up anymore.

Even before she was on NBC, like nobody was stumping harder for Kelly Clarkson.

Even though if Kelly has like a clock winding down on her time in New York, that means she also has a clock winding down on her likelihood of coming on the toast.

So let's just put it out there again.

Kelly,

please.

She doesn't want to come on.

No, no, she does.

I'm telling you.

We heard from her team once when she was doing chemistry.

She

has done so much press, like podcasts, swirly, like, you know, nonsense video press, whatever.

Crickets.

She doesn't want to come on.

Stop saying that.

Like she does.

I know she does.

But then she wasn't.

I know.

Wait, I met her.

I met her and I told her about the toast.

Do we forget that?

At the Celine Dion Amazon Prime event.

And she was obviously, she was aware of the swirlitude.

She had a swirly next to her and she was like, that's the swirlies.

And she was like, so nice.

And I told her about my 5K.

Like, I love her, Jackie.

She's coming.

Stop.

She's coming.

Hashtag Kelly is coming.

I just like, she's my fave.

I've given up, you know, for so long.

She's like my dream guest, but I feel like I forget what she was doing.

Don't give up.

No, I don't, don't give up.

For real.

I'm not in like a negative way.

Just like, I'm,

I'm moving on.

I'm moving on.

If they sing that, like, seriously, kill me.

I can see.

Call me if they do, okay?

Last list.

Even though it's been paid.

The set list is like, is set.

You know, Satchi Cratchy sent the set list.

I didn't even look at it.

Oh, yeah.

Run through it with me.

Okay, here.

Hopefully it sucks.

It's so funny.

she literally works in music like

texting her what time do they go on what's a set list right margo's so crazy they open with here's to you

okay that by the way and it makes me feel better i have seen rascal flats yeah you and i went in dallas we had the best time like so i've i've heard them sing that song then yours if you want it

okay then fast cars and freedom Oh, they didn't sing that when we were together.

And I just want to say, like,

actually, I'm moving on is not the song that, like, I will kill myself if they sing.

If they sing

how they remember you, like, that.

Oh, I heard that

at PNC Bank Arts Center in New Jersey, and it was like very emo.

I love that song.

It's such a powerful message.

But did you make them laugh?

Did you make them cry?

Did you quit or did you hide?

They do sing I'm moving on, but they're not singing that this time.

They're not singing I'm moving on or they are?

They are.

Oh, damn.

Then Four Was Stand, Mayberry, which I'm having a renaissance with.

The Blake Shelton covers.

Blake Shelton version is very good.

Amazing.

Yeah.

My Wish, classic.

I could live without it.

You got to play I Wish, though.

Like, it's Rascal Flats.

Banjo, I'm Moving on.

Oh, I fucking love Banjo.

Why Wait?

So good.

I Dare You, the Jonas Brothers song.

Oh, that song's really good, too.

Then These Days, so good.

I was just listening to that this morning.

What I'm doing, these are no, that's a tear trigger.

Oh, then they do Sweet Caroline, fun, bomb, bomb, bomb.

It's so Gen X of them.

Bless the Broken Road, of course.

Could live without.

Yes, ain't.

Oh, the Blood of Jesus.

Yes, they do some worship music.

I do know that.

It's part of their set list.

Maybe that's when you go to the bathroom or something.

Yeah.

No, I'll

partake.

I'll support.

Support my boys.

I like the sound of that.

So good.

Cute.

Garjalish.

What Hurts the Most?

Classic.

oh i like that song their best selling songs like what hurts the most bless the broken road like i could like to me well

but yeah play your justin bieber collab i actually love what hurts the most like even though it's overplayed kind of like life is a highway like it will always hit for me life is a highway does always hit and then me and my gang

me and my gang that's literally me you romeo and bruno

we rock to live well i hope you have the best time and then the encore is summer nights and Life is a Highway, which you know me, I leave before the Encore.

What are the rascals?

I know.

And I think we're driving.

So,

like,

we kind of couldn't.

You'll just have to.

I will definitely stay for Summer Nights.

I might, like, it's not in me to like stay till the last song.

I could be having the time of my life at a concert, but like, when I know it's the time to leave to beat the traffic, especially like an MSG or something, like, I don't care what happens next.

I know.

I'm out.

I know.

Remember?

I care more about the efficiency of the exit than anything else.

Of course.

I was also like in the thick of first trimester nausea.

I was going to die at that stadium.

But it's like, I feel like people didn't believe me that I just like would leave.

Like, I will leave during life as a highway.

I will do that.

Yeah, no, I am with you.

Like, my obsession with efficiency and like beating lines.

trumps any song.

No, and like when I think back, like when Zach and I went to the Stanley Cup, like the joy I felt like leaving right before like the final.

You know, like you driving past all the cars that are still parked.

People haven't even gotten like that feeling during the buzzer in the stadium and it's like our team is about to win the stanley cup like the i i'm happier to leave than to watch us win the stanley cup yeah but the swifties of course took it personally right of course they did but that's just like not a problem forgive them for that i'm not gonna forgive them either and i

I wouldn't even be mad if you never forgave me for letting you take the fall for that.

When the reason we left, you know, I love it, coachers.

I know, I know.

Jackie like loves to take, she's like, yeah, bring it on.

Whereas I was like feeling so guilty.

I was just like dying.

And Ben was texting Jackie, like, can you please get Claudia out of there?

Like, I was so not okay.

Especially when I know I've done nothing wrong.

And then like people are coming at me with, cause like they don't know.

Jackie is seriously like, she is fueled on moments like that.

Yeah.

And I just like have the higher ground.

And I'm like, I'm looking down like Regina George at all the moments.

Yes, yes.

On the mess you created.

Are you ready for our next story?

Is it seriously only number two?

It's only number two, and it's sad news about Teddy Mellencamp, but she is sharing like the tragedy in her life while also like still having a humorous spin on things, which is just so admirable.

But she did an interview with Us Weekly that came out yesterday, and she said that she is fighting for her life as doctors discover four more brain tumors as her cancer battle rages on.

And it's metastasized like into her brain.

Yeah.

She says as she continues her fight against her diagnosis, she has stopped using her famed phrase, mom always comes back with her family.

She said, I have not said that line to them since I've been back from the hospital.

They all know that I'm fighting the hardest I possibly can, but I haven't said it because I don't want to lie to them and I don't know.

So she is still in ongoing treatment for her cancer, which has gotten worse.

And she's opened up about that.

She also talks about the housewives bit of it and everyone who's reached out.

And she's still a podcaster at heart.

Like she's still giving us the drama.

Yeah, she has shared the one housewife who has not reached out and that was Garcelle.

She said that up until recently Doreen hadn't reached out because she didn't like feel like she know if she should.

Yeah, which I understand that feeling.

I bet Garcelle feels that way too.

Yeah.

Even though like Garcelle has less of a relationship with her than Darreed.

Like their time on the show.

Like are they enemies or are they just strangers?

See, I don't think it's like really contentious with Garcelle.

I think it's like they barely knew each other and now like I'm sure she doesn't want to be surrounded by people she doesn't know.

Like that might be how I felt.

I just feel like for Garcelle, like the hits start coming and they don't stop coming.

Like this woman can't can't catch a break right now yeah whereas like i actually don't think it was like evil garcel's not a mean person like i i just think i can understand how she got to the conclusion where it was like maybe teddy doesn't need to hear from me yeah i can understand that too but apparently teddy noticed and she also said darit like sent a really nice text at first she was like whatever doreet sends it's like doesn't matter but apparently the text doreet sent was like so powerful that like i think they might be able to you know get up to a good place which is really nice

so it really wasn't until yesterday that i saw this news about Teddy Mellencamp that like it actually said in that like she like has cancer.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like I feel like up until this point, she's always been really vocal about like her melanoma and how she's had like so many surgeries to get skin cancers removed from her back.

And it's always like, like she said, like mom comes back.

And then even with this tumor thing, it's like, okay, she had like a crazy brain surgery, but like, she's fine.

Now I'm like understanding like she has brain cancer.

Like, yeah.

There's like a high, like, I think I was reading up, it's like a 50-50 shot of making it through.

And then also what I had read was that like, when you have tumors pushing on your brain like that, it can really affect your decision-making skills.

And so so much of what I think what we were seeing before she knew she had the tumors, like her alleged affair with her horse trainer, like can perhaps be pointed to her tumors.

Interesting.

Which I thought was crazy.

But you see that like on SVU, like when somebody has a tumor and then they start doing crazy things and they like plead insanity because the tumor was pushing on their frontal lobe.

Okay.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

But she didn't seem like

she was doing crazy.

I mean, she might have just had an affair because she was also doing a podcast, which is very successful.

I think she was like very cogent.

Like, I don't know what, you know, I don't think she was like crazy, like, you know, chaos, but like, when you do something out of character, like step out on your husband, like maybe.

Yeah, she's not saying that, though.

No, no,

honestly, getting divorced.

Yeah, and she was talking about dating.

It's a very complicated situation.

Like, I, you would imagine that this would start to just

get the divorce for now on hold, but no, it's ongoing.

yeah especially just like if anything happens like you're the kid's guardian like you just want to like keep it yeah cool and i can begin to imagine but that's just a little sounded surprising me too i just assumed that they were like putting the divorce on pause for now they weren't like getting back together but they were not like meeting with lawyers in between hospital chemotherapy yeah i thought that was kind of strange yeah

whatever works yeah so wishing her the best like i think the whole world is like rallying behind her and she's just like on everyone's mind.

And yeah, it's just, it's very, very

sad.

It really is.

Our next story,

I actually wish was an April Fool's prank because as Katie Perry and Lauren Sanchez prepare to go on their all-female trip to space, remember

they are on the cover of L and Katie says we're going to put the ass in astronaut.

Yes, Claudia.

She makes it so hard to be a kitty cat.

Like, she's seriously indefensible when she does shit like this.

Kadie, Perry, and Lauren Sanchez are committed to wearing glam that's out of this world.

Oh, my God.

I'm vomiting.

This is actually setting women back.

This is awful for women.

Listen, they are getting ready to blast off into space on April 14th with Gail King,

a former NASA rocket scientist, Aisha Bo,

former NASA, a civil rights activist, Amanda Wen, and film producer Carrie-Ann Flynn.

So it's an all-female crew going to space for the first time, except previously one female Russian astronaut went to space alone.

So that was an all-female

1963, but it'll be the first time anyone has ever journeyed to space in full glam.

No, this is seriously so embarrassing.

I identify as a man now.

Like, I want no part of this.

I'm humiliated to be of the same gender.

Lauren Santa said.

And I love how Gail King was nowhere near this.

Like, she's such a serious person.

She's all over this.

Like, she's.

Is she a part of the interview?

Um yes.

I thought you said just Lauren and no, they're they're these ass and astronaut quotes are like coming from Lauren about like we're gonna be the first ones to have glam in space.

They want to bring glam to space.

Katie said space is going to finally be glam.

She said, let me tell you something.

If I could take glam up with me, I would do that.

We are going to put the ass in astronaut.

Okay, she's given us no choice.

We have to leave her in space.

Like she is not of this world.

And I mean that.

This is so weird.

Even the other, the, um,

not the civil rights act, even the NASA astronaut said, I also wanted to test out my hair and make sure that it was okay.

So I skydived in Dubai with similar hair to make sure I would be good.

Took it for a dry run.

Like these women go into space and when we focus on their looks like

that's like, this is something a man.

This is insulting.

This is so insulting.

This is how men think of us.

Meanwhile, like.

We, oh my God, I'm humiliating.

It says we're going to have lash extensions flying in the castle.

Oh, no.

Oh, no, this is really, really bad.

Like seriously jail for everyone.

Sorry, Gail.

Gail goes to jail.

Like not, this is jail by association.

Yeah.

If seriously, if I was invited on this hypothetical and I saw like my fellow passengers were doing this types of press, like I would actually give my seat up.

I want no part of this.

Yeah.

And then they said, joking aside,

the civil rights activist said, of course, she wanted to be sick.

Of course she did.

She said, I think it's so important for people to see us like that.

This dichotomy of engineer engineer and scientist and then beauty and fashion, we contain multitudes.

Okay, she's trying to like put like an intellectual

She said women are multitudes.

I'm going to be wearing lipstick

Okay, had that been like the only statement about makeup that would have been funny Yeah, and like and yeah

very code name Helene.

You know, she's parachuting out of a of a World War I chopper and she's putting on red lipstick before that's fine.

We're bringing glam to space like i'm vomiting

and i actually don't forgive katie perry and lauren sanchez for this and i won't i know and i do feel like who's do you think is like the driving force behind this stupidity like i think it's katie and like she's bringing her down yeah and you know lauren like she maybe thinks differently but she really cares about like celebrity friendships like that's kind of a currency she now plays with her and Jeff and you know who's coming to the wedding and so I think she just does what Katie has the power in this friendship so she's just following Katie's lead because Katie is known for saying and doing dumb things.

Like

embarrassing.

Like, this is so embarrassing for women.

Like, that this is the first female trip and this is what we're focusing on.

Like, it's actually a parody.

I need someone to do me a favor.

I need somebody to really quickly get together an all-female crew and just send them up.

Elon, like,

somebody just do it so that this group of morons,

civil rights activists excluded, is not the first to do it because, like, these people don't represent

their power.

Yeah, like seriously, just get two women.

That's all we need.

I'll do it.

You know what?

I'll do it.

Would you go to space to put the

just for this?

Just for this, yes, because you know I have no interest in going to space.

But if it's to silence this group of morons, yes.

But would you put the ass an astronaut?

No.

You wouldn't.

No.

I would not.

The idea that you would bring Glam to space, like, you have to leave your helmet on.

Like, that's just, like, stupid.

I can't believe that this, like, made it to print.

No, not, I blame everyone, right?

Like, I also blame L Magazine.

Like, you're supposed to be a beacon of journalism.

You should be like curating the dumb shit they say.

Agreed.

This is really

uncool.

And in International Women's Month, you know,

nonetheless.

The month after.

Whatever.

The month.

During the month after International Women's Month, Month, how dare you?

To disgrace us like this.

Right out of the gate.

It's

disappointing.

It is.

It really, really is.

And it's only going to get worse from worse, right?

Imagine day of

April 14th.

Where will we be?

April 14th, the day before tax day.

So we'll probably all be hunkered down at home doing our taxes.

Not me and you.

No, yeah, we already pay them.

We pay early because we don't want to go to jail.

Yeah, it's like a cool thing we do.

Yeah, like fun fact.

So, yeah, like this is happening.

Well, thanks for ruining my day.

I appreciate that.

And it's not April Fool's, and I'm sorry to tell you that.

Devastating.

Are you ready for our next story?

Four?

It's number four.

It's like a little celeb outrage news, you know?

What are they outraged about?

The celebration is out of the way.

Yeah, like someone's making news that's like outrageous.

And I think, but I think it's her truth.

So rumor Willis reveals that that she and her sisters take baths together and she still sleeps in bed with her mom, Demi Moore.

So rumor went on actually like Zoe Winkler's podcast, The Lifer, that's friends with Kim.

And they talked about like family and she was also talking about like parenting her toddler because she's a co-sleeper and she's always been a co-sleeper.

She actually said some really like nice, insightful things about co-sleeping.

And she said, honestly, I hope Lou, her child, like still sleeps in bed with me when she's my age.

I still sleep in bed with my mom and I don't think it's weird.

She She also said that her and her sisters all still take baths together.

And that's just the kind of house that I grew up in.

People might think that that's crazy and weird, but I don't, she said.

Okay.

So I think there's two things going on here.

Her still sleeping in bed with her mom is not weird.

Like, I'm sure it's not like an everynight kind of thing.

Right, but if you're like staying over at mom's house, it's not a big deal.

Yeah.

I don't think she like lives there.

No, her and her siblings still taking baths together.

And you're a big bather.

Yeah, I'm a big bather.

I'm also like a very, I'm not like a nudist, but I'm not like precious about nudity.

You're a free woman.

I'm not precious about nudity.

And I actually can recall the last time I took a bath with a sister when we were in Utah.

I remember that.

We, me and Margo went in like the hot tub and we had like had a couple of drinks.

That makes sense.

Maybe it sounds like a little lesbian.

Sounds like white lotus.

White lotus.

Sorry.

We like were drunk and we like needed to take a bath after the hot tub and we just like took a bath and it was like so like not weird.

But I guess like in hindsight, it was a little weird.

It was what what four years ago Yeah, and you wouldn't then say me and my sister take baths together still as adults and it's and before that it was like when we were children.

Yeah, so I'm coming at this really from a non-judgmental place and as an open person and I think this is weird and I'm judging and I also think that even in practice like because the way that we took that bath together that time in Utah was not weird whatsoever.

So maybe every single time the Willis girls do it, it's not weird whatsoever.

But like sharing that, knowing how it sounds, it's like rage baby, right?

Right.

It's kind of reminds me when Mila and Ashton Kutcher said they don't give their kids baths with soap.

Yeah, which in hindsight, like, isn't that weird?

No, it is.

Not really.

No, it is.

Like, we have soap.

Why not use it?

So they said they don't use soap every day.

I think it's weird.

I actually, I don't think of that.

is so weird, but like they know how that, how it comes off and that people are going to,

but when you really think about it, like it's actually not that weird.

If you're not like filthy, you don't need soap, and you know, people did just fine bathing in just water, it's fine.

Yeah, people love to say, like, well, they didn't have soap back in the day, they did, but they didn't right, they like used plants and shit, they also took a bath once a year, right?

And like, things were just different, yeah,

they also used to shoot each other in the street, like, we don't do that anymore, like

it's okay, yeah, it's not necessarily the same, but yeah, like in the Coliseum, you know what I mean?

Like,

things are different, like, stop.

I hate when people like use history to justify like their lack of showers.

Do you know what I mean?

No, but it's just to show like what the human needs.

And in a modern time, and maybe I come at this as like a person with a with a really powerful nose these days, like there's just genuinely no excuse for smelling badly unless you have a medical condition.

And even then, like figure it out.

Yeah, no, I think for adults, it's different.

Adults have like body odors and a bunch of shite going on, but like babies and kids, they're, they're really not that like gross smelling.

smelling.

But Rumor Willis is a grown woman.

Sorry, back to the woman.

I'm talking about me like we're yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rumor Willis is a grown woman.

Um,

and to be clear, it sounds like she grew up like similar to us, like her and her sisters and her mom.

Like, yeah, like, and

yeah, when we all were living in an apartment, all of us at the same time, like, we weren't precious about things like that.

You would pee with the door open.

Like, so I'm really not coming at this from like a clutching my pearls.

Where are the opportunities arising to bathe these baths?

Are you going over to your sister's house for bathtim?

Just to bathe because it's our favorite thing to do together right

there i feel like perhaps it's an issue yeah

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Our fifth and final story: a little co-sleeping news because Courtney Kardashian admits that she wouldn't be able to sleep with her son Rocky in another room as she discusses co-sleeping on this week's episode.

Oh, this is huge news for people who are Jackie.

Yeah, this is huge news for the co-sleeping community because it's tipping.

Can you explain, like, to us non-mothers, like, what co-sleeping is and why it's bad?

So, why it's perceived as bad.

Co-sleeping is sharing a bed with your baby anywhere from newborn co-sleeping, which is what Courtney was doing up.

And I guess people who do that, then they want become the ones who are like sharing a bed with their two-year-old, three-year-old.

So Rumor was talking about sharing a bed with her two-year-old, who she's been sleeping with since the baby was born.

But, you know, when babies are newborns, you're told, like, put them on the back in the crib.

It's not safe sleep.

It's not safe sleep.

But a lot of mothers like feel...

like it's the natural thing to do.

What's safer than my bosom?

Yeah, sleep holding your baby.

They compare ourselves to like animals who would never be like separated from their children.

Like they cuddle them up close.

So like the American Academy of Pediatrics

say no, no, no.

It's kind of frowned upon, you know, in those circles, but amongst mamas, like we're all whispering about it because one, like if your baby won't sleep in the crib, like and you're just so like tired and fed up and you just grab and you just get in bed and you both fall asleep, like it's par delicious.

And they sleep, they're so happy when they're co-sleeping.

And like what position are we co-sleeping in?

Like

there are safer ways to do it.

It's like a C snuggle.

You know, you're not supposed to use pillows.

You're not supposed to

use blankets.

But I do think there's a lot of like merit to the fact that like, yeah, this is what

the body is designed, then children and their mothers are designed to do.

The idea that baby should be in a crib in another room, like alone after, you know, just coming to this world.

Let me ask you another question.

Is it considered bad because you are asleep?

Because if a baby takes a nap and you're watching somebody on the couch, like that's not bad, right?

That's, that's partial.

No, it's because you are asleep and there, you know, you could roll over.

Right, right, right.

There's a bunch of things that could happen that are scary.

Um, so it is like frowned upon it, but a lot of women do it.

And most people could have guessed that Courtney was told

she's told us before, but now she's like super open.

So she, on this episode of Kardashians, is when she's filming Skinny Confidential podcast, him and her.

Are they on the show?

Yeah.

So I haven't caught up on this week's episode.

Me neither, but they have her because it came out five hours ago.

Wait, Lauren and Michael are on the episode?

I think so.

They have her, like, walking into the studio.

And I think they have, like, clips from the show.

And then they also have

these confessionals, like, talking about the things that she's talking about.

Good for them.

Yeah.

And

she's talking about her decision to co-sleep with the baby.

And also having baby brain.

And she actually said, because, you know, we always talk about how your brain turns to mush, like when you're pregnant and when you're having a baby.

And she said,

she actually likes having baby brain she said i love baby brain i mean i don't know exactly i'm not a scientist but supposedly so that you moms can focus on their baby you can't really think of other stuff and it's true because i really can't think of anything else so it might be like the body's way of having you focus on your baby it's not you're just dumb yeah i saw tick tock that really made me reframe like mom brain where it was like oh like ask the mom like hey like where'd you put that hat and she's like i don't know and then She was like, oh, my mom brain is so bad.

My girl, Shauna, you guys know I'm always talking about Shauna.

She does the skits.

So it was like, they were asking the mom in the skit, like, when was the last time baby ate how many ounces?

Like, she was recalling crazy information, like, about the baby's food.

But it's like, okay, you can't find the hat.

Like, who gives a fuck?

Like, you're, you're kind of elevated.

Yeah, it's not that, like, you're raised as much.

It's that it's like, it's very much focused on a different area

as it should be.

So, yeah, Courtney's obviously like a natural girly.

Um,

yeah, and is co-sleeping considered like more like of the granola elk of mothers?

Yeah, yeah, okay, because I would have guessed Courtney is a co-sleeper you would

yeah i like don't really want to like that i i don't really want to co-sleep mostly because like selfishly it sounds like you yourself get really bad sleep yeah but again like whatever the baby will do the baby will do but like if the baby could just like chill in the crib in the bastion like that would mean a lot to me but like would you rather have like them have a two-hour run in the crib or like five hours with you both sleeping

That's a good question.

I don't know.

So sometimes it comes down.

Like some people are like, I want to co-sleep.

It's like the natural thing to do.

And that's

for some people it's out of necessity i feel like i can understand how you get there of course and the baby won't sleep anywhere else

but then you start doing it and you're like this really feels right but i think about the thing about co-sleeping like of course there's people like courtney who don't give a fuck and they're gonna be like this is like the most natural and right but i think a lot of people like do it private don't share and you go to your pediatrician they're like is baby sleeping through the night again you're like yeah

yeah

you know the crib like hasn't even been unpacked correct

like for those people it's always really nice when people do share because you feel like you're doing something wrong.

Validated.

And everyone's telling you you're doing something wrong, but to you, it feels right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But of course, practice safe sleep.

Of course.

And don't do what someone's doing just because they're a celebrity.

Do what works for you and your family.

Yeah.

But trust your gut.

Mom is intuition.

Cool.

Well, we have TV recap.

Summer house, two weeks in a row.

Now, I feel like for at least for us, like last week's episode was highly anticipated because it was like finally the conversation between Craig and Kyle.

Let me tell you, I was was bored and i didn't care i am so like obsessed with what's going on between jesse lexi and sierra and i'm really surprised to see like that not a lot of people are sharing my thoughts on it right

because i think a lot of people especially in the house are championing jesse and sierra and for so many reasons it's so such a bad idea one like sierra has to stop dating these guys from the house like they just hurt her she's so hurt still from west like he's literally west 2.0 like he's look what he's doing and so the fact that like you're a willing participant in what if wes had done this to you last season with a different girl like he would have like the fact that she's a willing participant is actually really disappointing me i feel like she's such a girl's girl and like while he was more of the aggressor and like the pursuing her she didn't tell him to stop and like she didn't not participate and so Even all the other girls being like, they have such great chemistry, like really shipping them.

Like, why are we doing this?

No, that's bad friends because nobody should want her to be in this situation.

That took me, by the way, the fourth time because it's Wes, it was awesome and Luke.

Oh, Luke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it's just a bad idea.

I actually feel like Sierra, I don't see Sierra like being like heart eyes around Jesse or whatever, but even having these sorts of conversations is inappropriate.

But I also feel like, and I know Jesse is being a scoundrel.

And the thing with Jesse is like, he's not a bad guy.

He's just a bad boyfriend and he's not ready to be anyone's boyfriend.

And he's just too damn horny.

And until he can set that in check, like you shouldn't be a one-woman man.

But I felt like even in that conversation with CR, which was really bad, like, what if it had been me here last summer?

Like, um, I feel like there is a world in which they could have that conversation and it was devoid of like feelings from right now, where it was just like, we're just hypothesizing.

Cause yes, but the context of the whole weekend,

your leg is turning me on, the for some, like him doing all of those things.

Maybe if it had just been one conversation, yes.

Yeah, where it's like they fell into brother-sister friendship because he wasn't there that weekend and, and that's where they are now.

And that's like, that's their relationship but like oh what if that i and it's disrespectful to have that conversation when he's with lexi but i could see a world where it was really just like a hypothetical conversation and not like well let's get together now because i do think jesse as much as he's problematic, he's not really a liar.

And so when he's like shocked that people think he's flirting with Sierra, like I think that that is real.

But he came out of the room with Emeril and was like, I got my toe sucked.

Like he's not, I've not seen him like really lie.

He kind of cops to everything.

and the way

but like in his own time like him coming off of this terrible weekend and then the first thing he does is take lexia out and ask her to be exclusive like that's guilty behavior yeah and then like having sex with her just makes i know so and then telling everyone

oh my god

um

i really wanted her to dump him right then and there at softball Yeah, they obviously aren't going to last very long.

And she deserves to be able to do that.

She's been making TikToks.

Yeah.

And they're like nowhere to be seen together anywhere.

And once she sees these, even if they were together up until yesterday, once she sees these episodes, like it's over.

That's not a trustworthy person.

And it's not her.

Like, he really couldn't be that way for anyone because literally she's a perfect girl.

She's so beautiful.

She's so happy.

She's so vibrant.

Like, she's so excited to see you.

And she just needs to make like a small shift in.

like her choice of men because there are plenty of men.

Like honestly, Craig comes to mind.

Yes, someone

who would love someone like that.

Exactly like that, who just wants to be like up each relationship.

I was really for like he was pissing me off so much it was so the definition of like love bombing the second she's gone like you're back to being it was so disappointing and then just to see like everyone in the house like gassing him up yeah and like that really annoyed me because i like to think of it in the context of like let's say last summer sierra was gone and wes then had a party and was filling with girls in the house and girls at the party like they all would have defended sierra now i know they barely know lexi but they're all like self-proclaimed girls girls like what amanda was like they really like oh my god so he was pissing me off so underhanded and I think they're they are getting credit for like even telling Lexi about but it was Lindsay it was Lindsay yeah and I just yeah every time she comes up or like

Jesse's like we're exclusive now and they're like that's what you want Let me know like be like, oh my god, it's so exciting.

And he's like, you know, and he's expressing like reservations about like being a one woman man.

And instead of like, and by the way, that's the type of behavior they're always like wanting from these guys when it comes to like Sierra, right?

Yeah.

So now a girl in their house finally got like one of the guys to settle down and they're not championing it at all of course his behaviors is on him but they're just like not doing anything to help lexi like not shepherding him in the right direction and if he's gonna fuck up he's gonna up and whatever but like i just really don't feel like they're having her back or like really want this relationship to work out and it's like why not No, and they want it to work out for Sierra and Jesse, which is honestly like bad advice to Sierra.

It is.

It really is.

She should not be with him.

She needs to stop dating men in the house.

Yeah.

She's too good for them.

And so is Lexi, but like, at least this wouldn't be like the fourth trial.

No, Lexi's new.

You have to, like, on your first season, like, remember Paige and Carl Radke.

Like, you kind of just, like, have to.

It's like a rite of passage.

And I actually think she liked him.

Who?

Lexi?

Lexi.

Like, I think she liked Jesse.

They were so adorable together.

And I think that they would actually really...

be something because I think they're really compatible except for like Jesse's issues with monogamy and horniness.

Like what is yeah, and it is it's really crazy.

Like they weren't exclusive and they weren't having sex, but like they were like for every weekend up until this point, they've been sleeping in her bed together.

So for the next weekend, you to be like so shamelessly flirting with multiple girls and then the toe-sucking thing.

Like it's so wrong of him.

It's such like, I know you, I agree.

He's not a bad person, but it's such bad, mean behavior.

Like, I'm sorry, at some point, like, your recklessness and hurting people, while that may be not is your intention, like, you're hurting people.

You're, you're bad.

No, and it's so immature.

He's like a 16-year-old that has his first boner and like doesn't know where to stick it.

Like, get yourself under control.

Agreed.

Um, I happen to have loved the kickball.

It reminded me of when the Jersey housewives,

Maimonides, like, I don't know what it is about reality stars playing competitive, like, intramir.

It's brilliant.

Like, I was laughing so hard when Paige caught the last ball.

Like,

and then, like, Wes catching that ball and like literally breaking its neck.

Like, I thought that was so funny.

I need more of that.

No, they, like, seriously whooped that team's ass.

Like, oh, and who were those people?

You know, when you do like Zog sports, like a.

No, I know, but this is televised.

So, like, I think they just like knew that it would be televised, but how shameful for them.

Like, they didn't get one.

They got their ass.

Oh my god, Emerald cut everything that they kicked.

And Louis, literally the most

the LVP of this show, least valuable prayer.

Like, he doesn't forge any friendships with the cats.

But he's the MVP of kickball.

He's using the house as a brothel.

It's actually disgusting.

And I think in a few weeks, Sierra says something to him about about it because it's like gross.

You're just bringing

these people.

Like, you're literally like a boarder, just taking a room.

And is it, even though that is how like summer share houses are, that's like what the show is about.

Now, I know it's like a family, they have dinner, whatever, but like, usually people use it as a, they pay for a room, they go out, they bring girls back.

Like, that's what a summer share house in the Hamptons is.

But yes, I don't know.

So go get a summer share house in the Hamptons.

Don't be on messages.

It's not televised.

And not that I even want to see these girls because, well, is it because like he's getting home so late and there's no time for them to sign a release but like why is the the identity of every single one of the girls like we don't even see a foot that's a good probably they can sign releases but even so you could blur out their faces like when i think of like jersey shore how's like so much of the show was like them bringing back girls some of the girls faces were blurred but a lot of them obviously signed releases and like were a part of the drama um

we i literally don't even see what these girls are wearing yeah i don't know that's a really good point because i feel like it's because they bring them back in the middle of the night and the middle of the night footage is all um the house cameras it's not like cameramen they go to sleep right but they could still blur their faces yeah so i don't know that's weird it's a good question now i want to talk about carl lindsay and

lil

lil thank you i can never remember her name um jackie was texting me like her thoughts on summer house she's like lil is so i'm like who is lil like i didn't realize that was her name um i'm sure I think a lot of the sentiment is like, well, Lindsay, like, we're beating a dead horse.

You're pregnant.

Why do you care?

Like, whatever.

I am so with Lindsay on this.

Like, i will go

how many babies i have i will clear my name yes no not only that like letting him he's been running around like paige i haven't had sex with anyone in a year like i'm so hard therapy la la meanwhile like were you actually like you know this girl while you're engaged so it's not all you know cut and dry you're you like this victim mentality is a little unwarranted, especially because you broke up with her.

Don't forget that he broke up with her.

Right.

Don't forget that.

But I just wonder like why he didn't get with Lil in the last six weeks.

Like,

so they even connected over the summer.

And then, of course, he breaks up with Lindsay.

And I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's like.

He needed a couple of months.

But like, why are they just reconnecting when cameras are?

Now, yeah, I don't know.

And this softbar party, first of all, it was such a nice party, like with the big coach bus from the city.

And he said he already invested $100,000 of his own money.

Like, I have such a pit.

It's giving Schwartz and Sandy.

It's like.

No, and everyone in their confessionals was like, I will support Carl.

I am happy for Carl.

This is good for Carl.

And then they're obviously asked, like, do you think this is a good idea?

And like, in a polite way, they all say no.

And it's like, it's easy to be someone who's just a friend who has, this doesn't affect them at all and support someone's bad idea because who gives a fuck?

Let them do whatever they want and get themselves in debt.

And you get to come off of as a hero, like as being supportive.

Right.

Whereas like, if you actually cared about this person, like, if you are that person's partner, what are you supposed to do?

If you're getting married to this person who has an awful idea, who's putting tons of money into it, you're really not allowed to say this is a bad idea even though everybody thinks it but it's like i'm going to support your bad idea but like that's what really is that i'm asking like objectively what's the right thing as a partner to do because i think it's as a partner who's going to share finances with you what lindsay did was a hundred percent right but then but as but i understand the friends being like this is so not my problem so yeah sure but what i don't understand the friends for is for like not supporting lindsay in saying this is a bad like you know not just at least

agreeing with her that like yeah, that someone should tell him that this is a bad idea.

And now we have the gift of hindsight because we know that this is one whole ass year ago and the bar still has not launched.

The bar is now raising money from the fans, which is kind of like a really terrible sign.

And it looks even stupider.

Yeah.

And when they were doing that clip of everybody talking about how happy they are for Carl that he's like found this thing that he's passionate about, I was like, damn, this makes Lindsay look really, really bad.

But then you're right.

They were then obviously asked like like a more leading question, being like, Do you think that this is a wise investment?

And everybody in their own way said no.

And I'm like, oh, okay.

So we all agree that this is stupid.

So you're actually like, you are being, you're being a safe friend, but you're not being a good friend.

Yeah.

Not being a great friend, like someone, like, because yeah, maybe he's having fun and feels purpose right now.

But like in a few years, when he's hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and doesn't have a next career move, because he put all, like, you didn't protect him from that moment.

No, and him having a Zoom call that like appeared to have eight people on it about ice, like I I felt really sad.

That call makes me sad as well.

I think this is such a stupid idea.

And the thing is, is like people in the sober community also think it's a stupid idea.

I think, yes, I think a huge part of like reaching, you know, peak sobriety is being able to, you know, go out to dinner with somebody who's having a drink.

Like you need to be around it.

It's a, to assume that like your trigger is not going to come up in the world.

You can't really be healed until you're at a place where you can confront it.

So I think spaces like this, while they they are really nice,

it's not a

consistent, good way to consistently live, right?

Like only going to soft bars.

Yeah, that's true.

And also like there should just be like elixirs like this at regular bars, right?

There are.

They're mocktails.

But like with this one has like functional mushrooms and stuff.

So like it's a mushroom bar.

Okay.

Is that sober?

Yeah, like everything has functional mushrooms.

Okay, okay.

It's just, it's like a train wreck.

I don't know how this whole thing is going to end, but watching it.

It was also funny to see Jesse Solomon stop being a goofball for a second and actually like flex his financial prowess when he was asked that question because he works in finance and he was like, bars are actually like a really hard.

And that's when you sell alcohol

as your biggest moneymaker.

It's like, okay, also he made me laugh.

JP Morgan.

He made me laugh when he was sitting with Paige and someone else and they were asking if he had sex with Lexi and he like obviously didn't want to say it.

And there was like some some random guy sitting next to him and i was laughing so hard but i also was like why was that guy sitting there like don't they set the scene it's like a private party it's not like why was that guy there that was really funny he's funny i don't just like him i just like i want i'm him i am starting to really dislike him just like be a better more mature person like i don't know what

why he's like this if this is something he'll always be this way if he has to grow out of it but i do think he's like 30 i just like want him to like grow up

it was shocking to see Bailey.

I know.

I forgot about her.

She was kind of, I think,

I literally don't even remember anything about her.

I understand why they showed her because she was a little bit necessary.

She was like moving good information.

Right.

She was, she was a necessary messenger, but I do think that might be the last we see of her.

Like she's really only shown on an as-needed basis.

I think that's fine.

Not everyone has to be like a main player.

No, so the...

There's also like theories that she was kicked off the show mid-production.

Yeah, but like the way she's functioning now works for me.

Yeah, fine.

And then other main storyline, Craig and Paige are really coming apart at this point.

Oh, right.

Oh, yeah.

So when they were, when they announced in December that they broke up, it was like the most shocking thing.

If I had seen one clip of this show, I would not be surprised at all.

Like, this is clearly a relationship where the wheels are coming off.

And Andy keeps saying this every time I watch Chapman's Live, and he's really right for repeating it.

Like, it's shocking that

Craig doesn't see, because he's so in love with Paige, that she, like, she has one foot out the door like they are so not compatible at this moment there was a time where they were compatible people change and that's fine um and he is not seeing or feeling any of that like even that conversation by the door wait about the phone when she was like sit back yeah

that was funny and he was just like so earnest and like wait why am i sitting back like you know and they were stressing her out if this was in a good if they were in a good place like that would have been funny but now it's like not funny and then that conversation downstairs by the door in front of jesse solomon about like being a priority I was like, oh, this is like a relationship.

Like you see, you know, when you see people fighting in front of you and you're like, oh, yikes, like this.

I never thought that they were that type, but now, but clearly the last few months of their relationship were not good.

Yeah, but they have never acted this way on camera.

Like that's why it was funny because we hadn't seen any moments like this.

Like the thing about their relationship is that there was always such a good friendship.

They liked each other so much.

They were always genuinely laughing and smiling.

And like, that's why when the news came out, it was shocking because it's like, how do you walk away from like just a love like like that you love someone like that?

And now they're very, well, she's very much like falling out of love with him and into hate.

And so yes.

Yeah, and she's so visibly annoyed with everything he does.

And then there are also like big fundamental issues in their relationship.

And I was putting together what she was saying because when her and Sierra were whispering and Sarah was covering her mouth.

Secret hater.

Secret hater.

Secret hater, but she was saying like, he said off camera that I can't say that my stuff is bigger than his.

And Sarah was like, oh my God.

And I'm like, what do you mean, bigger?

Like my podcast, whatever.

But then it looks like in future episodes, she said, I'm the breadwinner.

Why would I move?

So what he said she couldn't say was that I make more money than you.

More money than you.

Even though I could have guessed that, like at this, at this point in their careers, just like knowing what I know about like the media landscape,

they probably make a lot of money.

He probably makes a little bit more from reality TV because he's been on longer.

But in terms of like her brand deals, her podcast, her Amazon fashion, her influencer stuff, I know what you get paid for that.

And she's crushing it.

But it was like starting to feel like Craig is broke.

Good job.

Literally.

Even though he's like the most successful one on his camera.

On his show.

But she has really like out, she's kind of having a moment that nobody has had before.

He has like a company that does really well, but it doesn't like sometimes it takes a while before you see that money.

Like, yes, he's got, you know, irons in the flame.

Whereas like she does a brand deal, she has 100k cash.

Yeah, yeah.

She literally has like, she's liquid.

Yeah.

He's more, you know, investments.

Yeah.

So, um, but yes, he's not poor by any means, but she's just crushing it, yeah.

And that does change your relationship,

especially when it was always like, well, of course, Paige will move to Charleston.

Craig's businesses are in the show is Southern Charm, and he has retail stores there.

His partners are there, right?

Even her show, Summerhouse, like you can live in Charleston and vacation in the Hamptons.

Exactly.

And her job is like more inter like remote, like podcasting and

influencing and whatnot.

But yeah, when she's the one who's making more money, like

why would you then shake it up and like you do call the shots, and now he's in a relationship where he's not calling the shots and like that's not the relationship that he entered into.

That's a major dynamic shift.

They have individually changed a lot.

And it has sometimes that benefits your relationship, but sometimes it destroys it.

And I think we're seeing the destruction.

Yeah, it's like really getting awkward.

I don't think, does he come back again this summer?

I feel like, no, he's

not going to come back again.

But what was interesting is that Lexi never met Craig.

You think that they're a good match?

I do think they're a good match.

Like, I actually think Paige would champion that.

Like, well, maybe not now because it's like gotten contentious.

Yeah, and it's like a little soon.

But like, remember when he said he couldn't date Rachel Kirkenell because he met her with Matt and like, you just like, they met as friends.

And like, I know her and I don't know her.

But because he never met Lexi.

Because he never met Lexi.

Coast is clear.

Even though he seems to be in a happy relationship.

So.

And I was happy about that until I had this revelation because I think they would really be so perfect.

Like, all she wants is like love and affection, and it's commitment, and that's like what, like, like what he has, what he has in spades, and she wants to settle down, and he's like a romantic, and she's a

just say,

just an idea, and they haven't, I don't think they've even met.

I think they'll meet maybe at BravoCon.

Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud.

He is a girlfriend,

they just got together,

as far as we know.

It couldn't have been that like they just broke yeah no but they've known each other for a while i'm just saying like a true love if if you know natalie buffett can withstand his meeting of lexi like and they can stay together great but i'm just saying can i just

yeah of course ideal yeah i want love for lexi i'm really heartbroken for her i was gonna cry and then we were talking i know

I know.

And she probably was like so embarrassed to find out like information on camera.

Like you have to

temporarily reaction.

Ew.

No.

And it's like, it kind of, honestly, I'm glad it it was the toe-sucking because something like that can give you the ick.

And you know what?

That's the easiest way to get over something.

Like they did something gross.

But it's like, imagining you've had your dream guy.

He's in love with you.

He's obsessed with you.

You've been together three weeks.

Like it's a whirlwind romance.

And in one afternoon at kickball, like people are telling you things that in that moment, it's like, I have no idea who this person is.

This person is a liar.

Yeah.

I want to shout out to Lindsay for being like an actual real one.

Yeah.

She has no like real stake in this.

She's not super close with any of the girls besides Gabby.

So like she has information and she's a reality star and she's given it.

I'm sorry.

I love her.

Like, her scenes are so funny when she said that she couldn't make it to the soft bar launch party because she's having her nursery painted and then she has to watch the paint dry.

Funny.

She's so funny.

She's so funny.

Did you see what Andy was talking about her being on Roni?

Yeah.

And like the rumor, the possibilities are becoming more real.

Not that it's happening yet, but like they know that that's what we want.

She is a great reality star.

I don't know if how much longer really her life can fit into Summer House.

And we're getting so little of her.

like it doesn't behoove her it doesn't behoove us and she it's okay to like grow out of things and you know someone on this show needs to like grow up it's not gonna be the 43 year old kyle so maybe it'll be Lindsay and I think that's just what Roni needs and I think it's just what she needs I think it's a great idea yeah I think it's definitely worth trying right like it's better than some unknown it's like art do they make good TV Right, we know she has a proven track record.

Yeah.

And Andy did not dispute.

He said, I've seen a lot of people saying that like Paige and Lindsay should be on roney and he said that he didn't think paige would be on it but he did not say that about lindsay yeah and i don't think paige should be on it i don't think paige should be on it and he said about lindsay like they i think it it might require a lot of paperwork because she's probably with one product it's all like even though it's a gravel like it's all different um it's probably not that easy don't just like jump but agreed i think it's worth pursuing and they're looking into it so that's good That is good.

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