They Shall Wed with Liz Woods: Thursday, June 26th, 2025

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It's the toast.

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Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Thursday, second to last day of Jackson Friends and my official last co-host of Jackson Friends.

And it is my friend, Liz Woods, joining me on the toast today.

Welcome Liz.

Thank you so much.

I am just delighted to be here.

You being here is so full circle.

We've been begging you to come on for a long time and you finally acquiesced.

Yes.

Getting me to come on the toast is like converting to Judaism, I feel.

Oh, yeah.

You have to ask three times.

No, it's usually the other way.

Like someone has to ask us three times before we say yes.

And Liz is like the only person that was always denying us.

And the time is right.

And Liz is here.

We are so excited to have you on the toast.

You have been one of the most requested people to come on because you are like the queen of pop culture.

Takes reality TV recaps.

Like you are so qualified for the co-hosting gig

that we are so excited to hear from you.

And like we always hear from you on Instagram stories, text, on screen, but now we get to hear Lizard P live and in person.

Long form Lizard P.

Long form Lizard P.

And I do feel like you are a long form girl.

I think I am.

I'm certainly long-winded.

So I'll try to keep that at bay.

We have time for the podcasting.

I'm also the queen of caveats, and I've been actively working on just like saying what I mean.

So, we'll see how I do.

Okay, well, welcome to the toast.

How does it feel to be here?

You've been a toaster like since the beginning,

as they say, OG Breather.

OG Breather, toaster since the beginning.

It feels unbelievably full circle.

I was actually texting my roommate from like when I lived in New York when the toast was in like 2018.

And I was like, you're never going to guess where I am.

And she was just so excited for me.

And she, um, so it's like, yeah, it's a dream.

And it's a dream to be in your house and like just feel all of your family vibes.

It's beautiful in Florida.

It's actually nicer here than it is in New Jersey.

So

you wouldn't expect this time of year.

Yes, Liz and I are having a slumber party and she'll be co-hosting tomorrow also.

So like anything we don't get to today, like dear toasters, we will get to tomorrow.

We are both caught up on Love Island.

We will recap up until this point.

at the end of the show.

And then tomorrow we'll recap tonight's episode we can watch together or like make some popcorn cuddle up.

Yeah.

I'm like wondering, are we going to watch together or separate?

I honestly find that I do my best work when I watch alone.

You know what?

I think that like the scheduling works better for us watching alone.

It's on late.

Like I don't sit on my couch that late.

I like to be in my bed.

So like, yeah, I think we'll go our separate ways.

And that way our takes are fresh for tomorrow.

Perfect.

Okay, great.

Well, tell us a little bit about you.

For anyone who might not be familiar with Lizard P.

Woods, you need to follow her on Instagram.

Like you are like the Instagram stories version of the toast.

I feel like all the time people are like, this just feels like Liz's Liz's Instagram, and Liz's Instagram feels, yes, we are symbiotic.

Yes.

And we chat all the time, and we're often talking about the things I talk about and what you talk about here.

Yeah, we're also best friends, in case you missed it.

Yeah.

And by the way, it's Liz P.

Woods.

Lizard is like Jackie's name for me, which I love.

I love like being like having a nickname from you, but it does prevent people from being able to find me.

Liz P.

Woods.

Liz P.

Woods.

I am a mommy.

Mama Sita.

Yes.

I'm a new mom.

Like, when does that, when does new mom expire?

I say first first year.

Okay.

So you're six months postpartum.

Yes.

And you're so skinny.

Thank you.

So she's also skinny, in case you're only listening as a podcast.

How'd you get so skinny postpartum?

I do feel like I was one of those people where breastfeeding actually helped.

I know that that's not the thing.

It took you all the way.

It took me very far.

And then when I stopped breastfeeding, I kind of like lost my appetite, honestly.

And so maybe that helped.

So it's just like you didn't try so hard.

Not really.

Oh, that makes me feel better, though.

Cause like if you tried really hard, then I would look at myself and be like, why didn't you try harder?

But if it happened naturally for you, it's like, well, that's just not what was in God's plan for me.

I do feel like even I was telling you last night that like my eighth and ninth month of pregnancy were actually pretty easy and I was able to be active.

And I remember my doctor saying like, this will be helpful for you both in labor and with like just getting back to yourself.

And I think that that was true because it did feel like I like graduated from postpartum and I did start to feel more like me and in my own body.

So that was good.

That's good.

That's so nice.

So how's being a mom?

New mama Liz.

It's wonderful.

I um

it's like all the things about it that are the hardest are also the best.

Like sometimes when people ask like what's been the hardest thing, I'll say one of the hardest things is like, you know, when you get home from a vacation and you're like ready to unwind and like just relax?

When you get home from a vacation with a baby or toddlers, it's like there's, that's there's no such thing.

The work just begins, especially like if you go to Disney, it's like you're doing this whole vacation for them.

Yeah.

And you get home and it's like, oh, I'm still like doing all of these things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But the inverse of that is so spectacular because it's like, I love coming home from a vacation and still being with my family.

Like that part about it is just magic to me.

I feel like I remember going on like trips with my nephew or like my friends and you get home or from camp and you get home and you're like, where is everybody?

Like I'm kind of sad and miss people.

And it's like, no, I go home and like, these people still have to be with me.

That's true.

It's, yes, it's like everything that's good is also like there's the pros and cons are the same thing.

Yeah.

So it's like, yeah, it's still hectic.

You don't get to relax, but like in that relaxation, there's also a bit of loneliness.

You don't have that.

Yes.

So

nice.

It's been wonderful.

And I will say, I have a very, I think, easy baby.

So that's like made, that was also like an easy part of postpartum is she slept pretty well from the beginning, which I understand can just be like a total crapshoot.

I don't think there's much that I did that necessarily influenced.

Like I could maybe work on like a bedtime routine or a nap that helped, but like she just very early on was good at sleeping, pretty cooperative, doesn't really cry unnecessarily.

So I think that was really helpful.

Nice.

Go Lil.

Yeah, go Lil.

And her name's Lillian.

Lillian.

And I call her Lil.

What do you call her?

We all call her Lil.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, she was named after my husband's grandmother, who was Lillian, and also Lil.

Oh, and it just like works for so many things because it's like Lil Romeo, Lil Romeo, like Lil Bow Wow.

Like it just, the names.

But she's also Lil Liz, is what she really is.

Yes.

And my husband like didn't realize when we were naming her that like the the names are really similar.

So sometimes like he already will accidentally call me Lil or her Liz, but well, today you're known as Lizzie because everybody has decided that that's your name.

Which is so sweet because I told you that that's what my family calls me, my cousins, my parents.

I remember when I was in, like, when I went to a new school in fifth grade, they were like, what's your name?

And I had always been Lizzie.

And for some reason, I was like, Liz.

Liz P.

Yeah.

So getting to be like feeling like a kid again is lovely.

Oh, so you're formerly Liz Height.

I'm formerly Liz Height.

You've done such a good job of of the neighborhood change.

We get a lot of questions from people like wanting to change their last names and Claudia and I and Olivia and I just talked about it and like we're the wrong people to ask.

Like you did a full rebrand from Liz Height and you were always like at Liz Height, Liz Height, you're Firsty Lastie and now you're Liz P.

Woods and like it's seamless.

I actually took the advice that you gave, I think maybe about Dana, which was that like the morning of her wedding, like she changed everything.

Yeah.

That's pretty much what I did.

Down to her Venmo handle.

That came later, but yeah, I was Liz P.

Woods.

Like I remember being in the hotel room being like, at Liz P.

Woods.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, now you're Liz Woods, which is a Pargi name.

Thank you.

For a Pargi lady.

Thank you.

It's not very Jewish at all, but like, that's okay.

And you are a big Jew.

Big Jew.

Big proud Jew.

That's one thing I wanted to say.

Big Jew, big Zionist.

Happy to be here.

You guys do a kiddush hashem every day by like coming on this show and just not even even when you don't talk about Israel and Judaism like you just represent us so well and there's a lot of people who are being like afraid to speak out or like be proud and be strong and so like we are in desperate need of people who can like be proud and be strong.

And you both do it so well.

So thank you very much.

That really means a lot.

It like whenever people say something akin to that to us, like it like, it's our reason to tear.

And you do, I could say the same thing to you.

Thank you.

So we have a lot to accomplish here today.

And I feel like the last few days, Toast has been like super buzzy.

Like we're in the news.

We are the news.

And today, like we have to get back to work.

Like we, the stories have been falling by the wayside a little bit.

And so I brought in the expert and like we will be discussing each story okay five stories plus tv recap there's actually a lot to talk about because the celebrities have emerged for the bezo sanchez wedding yes and the clip art invitation which i think you already talked about i did we didn't talk about the aesthetic we just talked about the gifting

but i do have a lot of questions about the invitation or the card that was shared like because it was kind of ugly

and um why and how did we see it the wedding's not even over.

Like, everyone knows you don't share your invitation till after the wedding, right?

I think it reminded me a lot of like in the religious community and religious Jewish communities, there's a lot of like PDFs sent because a lot of people invite like 800 people to their wedding.

So, there have been a couple of times when I get like a PDF on my phone, and that's considered very normal because that's just like how, and also events happen so much faster in the religious world.

So, that's like kind of what it reminded me of, but the ones I see are way more pargy.

This was just like confusing, and I don't understand why we had access to it.

I think I haven't been following it too closely, but I think like from a bird's eye view, they they get a lot of shit for everything that they do.

I think they got shit for like coming to Venice and taking over the Venetian resources.

And I think this was like PR to say, like, we are giving back to the Venetian people.

So fuck off and stop ruining our wedding weekend with your nastiness.

Yeah.

And I think they accomplished that.

I think so too.

And I think people will always hate them.

And so they just have to tread, not lightly, but they have to do what they will.

Like, just be keep it in mind.

I i don't think she's someone who can like be slowed down by the haters no i do they even hear their haters like are they aren't they so removed from that i don't know they could be if they wanted to be but i feel like she's plugged in like do you do you think she knows how we all felt about blue origin do you think she's a swirly i feel like she has swirly like tendencies like i don't think she like would listen to the toast or anything just because we're like probably like annoying um but

She's not like there's so many things about her that are just like traditional girly things.

Yeah.

And like the toast is a traditional girly thing.

Yeah.

And I think maybe you or Claudia once said that the way that she's been doing all of this is like really what one of you would do if you were married to Jeff Bezos.

Like, I want to be like around all of these famous people.

Like, yes, the money's nice, but like, if I had power, like, bring me Chris Jenner.

Bring me Chris Jenner.

Jeff, don't worry.

I'm going to throw you the best birthday party you've ever had.

We're going to have a phone party on the yacht.

Like, she's doing it right.

I don't know why people are so mad at her.

I think

that maybe the Astro flight was a little

she got a little carried away, but like, wouldn't you?

Katie took the brunt of that, though.

Wouldn't you get carried away if you were married to Jeff Bezosian of rocket ship?

It's like if I was married to someone who had a, I don't know, a convertible, I'd drive it.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think I, I don't, her going on that like rocket ship doesn't bother me.

If anything, it's like kind of impressive because I don't, I would never do it.

Yeah.

And so she's like, she's wanting to be interested in the things that he does.

So seems like a good partner.

Yeah, seems like a good partner.

They both do like flight because she also like pilots helicopters.

And I'm sure you've seen that.

I haven't.

And she also has a children's book called The Fly Who Flew to Space.

And it's about like a fly who flew to space.

Have you that one?

I have it in my house because I was just doing like a little R D.

I want to see like what Lauren Sanchez is about.

It wasn't my favorite, but for a couple of days, like the boys were into it.

They picked it up.

You should read it.

It's at my house.

I'll give it to you.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm looking forward to it.

Maybe bring it home for Lil.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe she'll become a female astronaut.

Change the world.

There's no, like, the Jews just like don't go to space.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

At least not the the ones I know.

So we'll see.

We'll see.

Well, let's get into the fast five stories since we're already in it and we'll wait in and out catching up with lizard P.

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Our first story is the wedding of the year, perhaps.

Jury's still out.

The year is young, but the stars have arrived in Venice.

And amidst all of this, like conjointly, Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom have officially split after nearly 10 years together.

So it's been rumored the last few weeks.

We talked about it yesterday, still a rumor, but like now it's true.

Page six is reporting that they have split.

A pair told us weekly that they are split, but are amicable.

It's not contentious at the moment.

Katie is, of course, upset, but is relieved to not have to go through with another divorce, as that was the worst time in her life.

Right, they're not married.

That was the most surprising part to me.

I didn't realize they weren't married.

I'm also not like super tuned in to their relationship.

I know they have a daughter.

I think Daisy, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is so cute and always sad, like when there's a dissolution of, you know, a relationship with a child.

but i do think it's like a red flag that they were engaged for such a long time and and didn't get married i don't know i i read that their wedding was postponed from covid but like covid was the onset of covid was five years ago yeah but now i forgot that she was married to russell brand yeah and that that was bad yeah

So maybe she just always knew she wasn't going to get married again.

And this definitely makes things simpler.

And I also feel like it leaves the door open for them to get back together.

Cause if they just are split right now, like there's no lawyers, there's no hating, you don't get to the place of like pure hatred and like everyone going back for years on stuff.

And so like maybe they would love each other again without that hate.

It's possible.

I think, yeah, celebrity divorces are always, honestly, when I see celebrities get married, I, in the back of my mind, always think like this is, there's like a 5% chance that this will be successful.

I think you are like a little bit more delusional than me in that way because you're always like getting upset when celebrities break up.

When they break up, but also I think when they get married, because it is so hard to get divorced and like in most celebrities don't get married because of that and all the money and it's like very complicated so when they get married i'm like well that's that like and i close the book so then when i have to open it back up i'm like well damn um and i don't think it's a story because i don't think there's been any anything new but do you mind if i talk about travis and taylor i would love for you to talk i know i would have made it a story if there was literally anything but i think like she took the day off yesterday and was just at home and like she knew i was coming on the toast she had feeling but but don't count her out for tomorrow's stories right i would love for you to talk about travis and taylor i bring them up like every day with whoever's the co-host, but there's really just like not that much to say.

And I guess people don't feel as strongly about it as we do.

Yeah, I feel so strongly about it.

And there was a while, especially like six months or a year ago, where I would always say they shall wed.

Like these two are on the path for marriage.

I also always hear about people who are in long-term relationships.

Then they have like a quick rebound.

And then the next one is like the guy.

Like I've heard that trope so many times and I was like, oh, that applies here.

And she just seemed to be in like such a happy place.

And I'm so happy for them.

But I'm also kind of like looking at my watch.

No, now it's like getting long in the twos.

Yeah.

And I read that he's like waiting until his football career is over to like make the next move, which could just be, you know, nine months or a year.

But I, I'm a little worried about that because I think it's like, if, if someone is always kind of like finding, I don't want to say an excuse, but like a reason to delay, I don't love that.

I don't love that either.

I feel like regular people do that a lot too.

It's like, oh, I'll do this when that happens or like when I get that promotion, then I'll be happy.

And like, I see so many reels that are like, that's just not a way to live.

Like, you have to live in the now.

And I really just, I feel like him thinking that way, like, I'm not proposing till the end of this season is a stupid way to think.

And I actually am going to choose not to believe that that's what he's doing because it's too stupid.

But like, this summer will be their two-year anniversary.

And so that's when typical choogi traditional couples would get engaged, right?

That's like the usual.

Like, if you're on a standard trajectory, it's like two years till engagement.

So like anything before now would have been like really early and just like swept up in the romance.

So like once the clock strikes two years, like now I'm, I'm waiting.

But like, then it just makes me wonder, what was that party with the ring pictures where like you saw the Photoshop ring?

Yeah, it was totally blurred.

Honestly, I think the simplest answer is that she was wearing a ring on her ring finger.

It wasn't an engagement ring and she still didn't want there to be talks of an engagement.

Like she was just wearing a normal ring and she realized after she took the picture, oh, like that could be perceived as an engagement ring.

So I better blur that out.

But ultimately, it actually made us like more think that she was engaged because it was such a bad Photoshop job.

And you don't think that when she put the ring on her ring finger, she was like, people are going to think I'm engaged.

Like, I feel like she's so

aware of what people think about everything she does.

I think that she is too, but I don't know.

Like, why would they, would they be engaged this long and they're not, would we even know if they're engaged?

I think, and I think that the surrogates do any day now.

Yeah.

And maybe like the surrogate is in Florida.

I don't know what their surrogacy laws are here.

Yeah.

But like they're spending a lot of time in Florida during the worst time of year in Florida.

Like it doesn't make a ton of sense, but okay.

Like go off.

I love it here too.

Maybe the surrogate is a Floridian woman and they're being close for the birth.

I don't understand the training in South Florida in the summer.

Honestly, that is, that is peculiar.

But I do think that when they have homes everywhere.

Nashville is beautiful.

Rhode Island.

Yeah.

You couldn't pull me away.

Maybe you're onto something.

Unless maybe there's other people who train in Florida.

Or I think maybe there's like a trainer down here.

I know he's like training in Miami.

Like maybe he sought out a certain person because he's like getting in the game, get your head in the game.

But they're like, he could also afford to bring someone to Kansas City or Rhode Island.

Yeah.

That's where I would spend the summer.

I think also there's a lot of...

like fodder about, oh, maybe she like doesn't want to.

Maybe like they're just, you know, they're on their own timeline.

Give them space.

I'm like, have you heard any of her music?

She wants to be married.

Biggest romantic.

Even in her recent music, which, like, maybe you could say, oh, when she was younger and speak now, she was so into marriage and Romeo and Juliet.

It's like, no, on the tortured poets department, she's talking about like how taken aback she was when Maddie Healy would like take a ring finger and put it on her ring finger, like it made her heart explode.

She's wearing a fucking wedding dress on the stage.

Oh, right, right, right, right, right.

Yeah, you pointed that out.

She's wearing a wedding dress on the stage.

She wants to be married.

And so I'm.

She's sitting, I'm having his baby.

Right.

And so I'm just advocating on her behalf.

I'm not like putting my own, you know, heteronormative thing on this.

I'm just projecting onto them.

And I do feel like with celebrities, like, you know, I understand that I will never understand what it's like.

And I don't even try to like say, you know, Kylie and Timothy, even, I'm just like, have a baby, but like, I'm never like get married because I understand it's complicated.

Like, but I agree for her, it's like, well, she said those things.

Right.

Right.

She wants those things.

And I'm listening.

And now she's got a man for two years who wants those things too, whose brother has four kids.

And like, he's always said that's what he wants.

So like, what if you just?

What if you just?

And it's like perfect too, because they live in Pennsylvania.

And I've always thought like they'll move to Pennsylvania.

That's where she's from.

Or like they'll have a farm base in PA.

It's such a great place to live.

They can be around each other.

Her family is always like goes where she goes.

So like maybe we'll, maybe we'll meet.

The twain shall meet in Pennsylvania because you see that's where all roads lead to Pennsylvania.

Yeah.

Like I think like I could see myself moving back there.

It's a beautiful place to like be and raise children.

It's, we were just talking like, I think it's the best state in the country.

Like it's just, they get all the seasons.

You have a city.

You're close enough to New York if you like like New York life.

So that's easy for her.

But yeah, get married and move to Pennsylvania.

I do think in the last few months when they've been like low-key and down here and just like together the whole time, I think something's brewing.

Whether it's a surrogate, I don't know.

But like, I think things are going to the next level.

And then the next time that they go on one of their,

you know, when he's in season and she's stepping out, like, I just, I feel like they'll be further along in their relationship in some way.

I don't know which way.

Maybe he just just wants to like win another Super Bowl and then propose.

I don't, I'm not one of those dumb.

I don't want, I'm not one of those people who thinks that he will like propose on the field.

I think that's like, I don't know who they think they're talking about when people say that, but I do, I could see him wanting to just like be successful and like everything is going well as opposed to like he sort of stunk it up at the last Super Bowl, if you may say so.

So he just might not have felt in his right mind.

But again, I'm with you.

I don't like people who like unreasonably delay for those reasons.

Yeah.

There's always a reason to delay.

And like the engagement and like your relationship doesn't need to be tied to football.

Like, why don't you focus on the, like, if you proposed like right now, it's like, well, the Super Bowl was six months ago.

Like, we're not even associating the two.

Right.

And the next one's in six months.

So like it doesn't take away from like now's the time.

Yeah.

And I don't know what kind of wedding they would have.

Like I could see them going humongous.

She is literally the biggest, it would be bigger than the royal wedding.

And I know I'm biased because I'm a fan, but I really think so.

Like she's the biggest star in the world.

So they might want to just like, you know, do something, scale it back and do like a backyard thing in Nashville.

I just like like hope selfishly that we get some of it.

So when you have always said like they shall wed, do you still feel like they will wed?

Less.

Less.

I feel that way less.

It's the same thing.

That's why that's how we got here was like the Orlando Bloom Katie Perry conversation was when there's like just sort of delays, it just makes you question like, it makes you question.

But do you think when you feel like they won't get married, you think they'll stay together though?

It's just like they won't do the legal bit because it's complicated?

It would be really complicated for them to get married.

And so maybe I'm like waiting for something that would never happen because I don't know how you're Taylor Swift and you like organize your life and your lawyers such that like you could protect yourself.

But I don't know.

I could see them being like long-term

Goldie and what's Goldie and Kurt.

Goldie and Kurt.

Like I can see that for them.

And I think that's like there's a few cases of that where they're really successful.

Like Kylie and Timothy.

Right, but they haven't been together long enough for us to say like they might get married.

They will be.

Okay.

Do you think?

What do you you think about them otp i'm a little bit like i love them but i i it's there haven't been a ton of um success stories in that family as far as like relationships go i actually think that travis and courtney are like fabulous and if they like keep going they could be like the success story which is amazing because she had children with somebody else and she had like very torrid breakup on camera and then she really did seem to just like find it and figure it out yeah

so I'm not sure about Kylie and Timothy.

I like them, but I don't know if they'll you're saying history as an indicator is not good.

Yes.

Okay.

Might have burst my bubble.

Well, actually, our next story is some Kardashian news because Kim Kardashian is set to star in the new Bratz movie as a villain.

So Kim is being eyed to play the villain in Amazon MGM's Bratz movie.

Amazon won a bidding war for rights to the live-action film about the popular children's toy in hopes of backing the next Barbie.

Additional details about the plot and cast haven't been revealed.

I think she'll get the part because she's at Jeff Bezos' wedding.

And if she says, I want the part, then Jeff will call and say, give her the part, right?

Yeah.

You have some family lore with the Bratz movie.

So

that's the other part of the story.

I love Bratz movie.

We were never like Bratz dolls, girls.

We are more American girl dolls.

Yeah, same.

But the Bratz movie, and they've already made a Bratz movie, and so I don't know why they need to like recreate or try and like redo what's a perfect thing, but that's what they love to do.

The Bratz movie, as you guys know, like we used to love it growing up and we were watching it one morning and in the middle of it, like we found out that our dad passed away, um which was really obviously sad and then when we so we went to the hospital and like we spent the day doing that and then we came home and we finished the movie

so do you think that this would help with your association like a new version or you actually seem to have a positive a decent association i love the bratz movie and Well, I love it so much that not even like the greatest trauma in my life could change how I feel about the movie.

And so if they could re, if this new movie could be that level of amazingness, and I'm not even joking, like watch the Bratz movie.

Like it's fucking Pargy.

Is it animated?

No, it's a live-action Bratz.

There's like four girls there in high school and the campus is like so beautiful and there's like this mean girl who's like tearing them apart, making everyone feel like they need to be in like clicks and like just be in a box.

And they're like, well, I like sports and I like science and I like drama.

Why can't we be friends?

And it's just an amazing movie with an amazing message and like a good soundtrack too.

And Chet Hanks is in it.

Oh, no kidding.

Yeah.

That's funny.

He's breaking.

What a roster he has.

No, it's the most random movie, but it's so good.

So I would say if this Bratz movie could be that good, I, of course, want more goodness.

Knowing Hollywood nowadays, it can't be good.

They just can't make a good movie.

So in that case, don't mess with perfection.

I see.

I actually think that Kim being like the villain in the Bratz movie is perfection.

I think that's perfect.

And I know that you are skeptical of her like acting journey, and I understand why.

But I was thinking about it today and I was thinking, like, I think in a lot of ways, her acting in like traditional roles is actually probably one of her like end game goals for her because she grew up in Hollywood around like all of those people who to her, like being famous was everything.

And the way that you got famous when she was growing up was being an actor in things.

So I kind of understand like why she has that goal.

And I also think they're always trying to like diversify their platforms and get to audiences in different ways.

So I think this is perfect.

Also, she's such like a brat.

Like she's so, like, she has such big features and she's so that way.

And I, the third thing I wanted to say was that I think I understand people who want to get involved in like children's projects when they have children.

Yeah.

It's the way you always talk about people who do like soundtracks when they have kids.

Yeah.

So I think it's like, I think that that's perfect.

That's very kind and generous of you.

And I agree that like, if she's going to be an actress, this is a fun thing to act in.

I would want to be in a Bratz movie too, just knowing like the history and how it's such a storied franchise.

And they already have the next Barbie on their hands, but they don't even fucking know it.

However, I will never like be so tolerant and like sympathetic towards why she wants to be an actress now when she's conquered the world.

And I just like, I, I, I just, it

boggles my mind.

She does have a lot on her plate.

I do think the, the law school part is behind her, although I think she has to study for the bar.

So that part isn't behind her, but I do think.

And then she's going to be a lawyer still?

She has said in interviews that she like wants to keep it in her back pocket.

And I do think she probably like when she was doing all those things, going to the White House, Alice Marie Johnson, she probably did feel really out of her element.

Now, that would never be like motivation enough for me to like take six years to do that when I had four children and was also dealing with like a very public divorce and all of these changes.

But is it possible she just likes it, that she likes the craft?

Yeah, but like, then you can like study the law on the side, like you don't have to take it all the way.

No,

you have to be acting acting.

I can't like, you know, how we feel about actors and actresses.

Like, it's

crazy town yeah it's crazy town and like you do it as a means to an end like and the the high life and the glamour and like that she already has that ending or you do it because like you're so like passionate about acting about the craft theater and you were a theater kid in a drama and she's not that either so like she has all the perks of the hollywood life she doesn't have that like itch for the love of theater.

Right.

So what are you doing?

Well, I guess we'll see.

Time will tell with the Bratz movie.

Are you going to watch that new show she's in?

Oh, is it a Ryan Murphy show?

Yeah.

Like about the, she's like Laura Wasser.

Yeah.

Yes.

Like that is so up my alley.

I always joke, like every time my husband does something that's cringy, I'm like, call Laura Wasser.

She's a celebrity divorce lawyer to the stars.

And I think that's actually like.

It looks like it'll be good.

There's other people, like there's other good people in it.

Glenn Close is in it.

So I think I'll give it a try.

Her other show that she was in, American Horror Story.

Not for me.

Did you watch it?

I think I was pregnant when it was on, and it was very about like pregnancy pregnancy and babies and it was very, very disturbing.

And I was trying to like keep that demonic energy away from me.

So I didn't finish it.

Okay, that's good.

But you'll give the divorce show a shot.

Yeah, I will.

Okay, I guess if I hear that, it's good, but I'm not as open-minded as you.

Like, you're very optimistic.

There's just like a dearth of good television.

And so anytime something, like, sounds good, I will try to give it a try.

Yeah.

Our next, actually, and a little more Kardashian and Jason News part of this story is that Rob has made an appearance in a photo with Kim and Lala Anthony.

So

Kim posted a photo on Instagram on Wednesday saying happy birthday to Lala and Rob is in the picture.

So I think it's like a recent photo, if not like, you know, in real time.

And we get a little Rob appearance.

I love seeing Rob anytime we do.

I think it makes total sense why they decided to like pull the plug on his being on the show.

I think like there, I mean, there was a whole like court case about his relationship with China.

So I get why it's like we have to kind of separate that.

And I don't think he really liked it, honestly.

I think it like he probably had a really toxic relationship with filming, which a couple of them do, but they sort of like stick it out and tolerate it because they know that it's the best way for them to like remain relevant and have their businesses be successful.

But it just didn't work for him.

That being said, I love anytime we get a glimpse of him.

Yeah, that he's doing well and he's still very much in the mix and like with the family.

But yeah, I honestly, in what they do on the show, it's very girly.

Very girl.

It's for the girls.

Like there was never, even when things were going well for him on the show, like in the early days, like, remember that I had that group therapy session?

Oh, yeah.

Like, there was never anything for him there.

And that was probably really frustrating for him, but like, it was for the girls.

Yeah, it was for the girls.

And there were like a couple times that when you look back, you realize like that should not have been for TV.

I remember there was one episode when he had like gained weight and he was at the doctor.

Do you remember this?

And Kim is like trying to budge in to like talk to him.

And he's like, no cameras.

Like, I'm so uncomfortable.

And you can kind of hear him crying.

That's like, it's not, it's not for TV.

Yeah.

So when we get these glimpses into him that are like what he wants, I'm always happy to see him doing well.

Yeah, me too.

Our next story is a little update from Breener.

Sabrina Carpenter unveils an alternate man's best friend album art that she says is approved by God amid the controversy.

So I guess I'm technically a part of this controversy, though my issue with her cover is different than everyone else's issue.

Like, I just think it's not premium and Pargy.

Yeah.

And the

nature of it and like the mess, like that doesn't like bother me as much because Breen is going to bream, you know?

Um, but she did put out another photo as an alternate album cover, so I don't know what this actually means for like

distribution streaming and how we're going to see it.

Um, and it's really a beautiful photo, like it looks like one of those photos from like the 60s of like, you know, that reminds me of that photo of, you know, who Jane Mansfield.

Like,

I'll find it.

It's like a black and white photo.

And it's just like her on the arm of a man.

Yeah, I don't know whether this will be the album cover you see when you stream.

I thought Olivia's point about this.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's beautiful.

Sophia Loran and Jane Mansfield.

It's just like a beautiful black and white photo, like sort of candid, sort of not.

That's what it reminds me of.

I really like it.

I didn't really care so much about the, you know, salaciousness of the cover until I heard what Olivia said when she was on the toast, which was like, when you're streaming songs in the car,

you see the album covers, like they just come up.

And I do think on the other hand of of that, it's like, well, we grew up with like Britney album covers and, or I did, like, and I would play them on my jukebox or radio or whatever.

So like, I saw those covers too.

This maybe feels like a step above just like a woman scantily dressed.

But I thought that just like was a really good point.

Like we don't always have to go like be the most sexual

just because we can.

And she doesn't.

She also doesn't really like need to.

She has such a huge audience and a huge following.

And I love that like, like what you say, her like sexiness is part of her shtick.

And I think she usually does it really well, which is why the album cover was kind of surprising.

I mean, I think the people writing think pieces about it need to touch grass, but um, I didn't love it either.

Yeah, I think it's best when it's like more subtle, and it's like you can listen to the same song, like kids, and they hear one thing, and like the parents hear another.

And I think that's just like the best way of doing it.

And it allows everyone to enjoy your music.

Yeah.

So if you want to like then take a left turn and go harder in the paint, it just means that like, okay, it's not for everyone anymore.

Um,

and again, like, not an iconic, beautiful image.

Sorry, like, that's where I get hung up.

That's not an album cover.

Right.

That's not an album.

It's a picture for me.

It was like film.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I see that.

So I think that this is your impact, by the way.

Me?

Yeah.

Or like, you spoke for a lot of people when you said like this cover that she originally put out was not Pargi.

Like it wasn't beautiful.

And maybe your point was a little bit different from like what the people on Twitter were saying.

It's a little bit different from people being like, this is bad.

Like she's meant to be a role model and this is bad for women and it's degrading.

And like I like she reserves the right to like express herself and how she wants.

If that's what she wants to be, you know, it's like when it reminds me a little bit of like when Miley was like, it's so not the same because Sabrina's always been this way and never really, but it's kicked up another notch.

And then, yeah, you do alienate.

Some parents don't want their kids to listen to this.

And it's like, well, that's not good for business.

Yeah.

I think that she, I think that the tweets she could always ignore, but like once it gets to like the toast and maybe like page six picks it up I think she realizes oh and not to mention you're like her biggest fan and you never say a bad word about her right and I'm still not saying I'm like breener's gonna break right and so but so that's how you criticize your faves is just being like this isn't for me she should do what she wants but it isn't for me and she heard that and said okay here's like the god approved cover wow and the jacks approved cover you think so highly of me wow thank you so much even if like i don't know what what the what was going on in breener's head but that's so nice that you think i have an impact you do i mean she like a good artist's team will listen to their big fans and you're a big fan.

And you have a platform.

And I'm still like, I would, I would still listen to this album.

Like it's not going to change how you like, as long as the music is still good, which it's going to be because it's her and she's like, she's not going to be able to do it.

She's a miss.

But I can just like say, like, it doesn't spark joy, the cover.

Yeah.

Understandable.

I like this one, though.

Yeah.

So we'll see how that lands on, you know, Spotify and Apple Music and all that.

I don't know which one will be.

Yeah, maybe like when there's like a clean version of the album and then explicit, they would have two different covers.

That's smart.

That is smart.

And honestly, it makes it easier for me to know which one to select when I'm listening.

Yeah.

Because I don't know how to find, like, I don't, I'm not going to start typing like, you know, short and sweet clean.

Like, I just am typing Sabrina.

Do your boys like listening to that type of music with you?

No, but sometimes if they're not paying attention, I can get away with playing some of mommy's songs.

Like if they have, after we've listened to Spidey and his amazing friends and we know the way from Moana and then they're like satiated or maybe they're falling asleep, like then I can put on what I want to listen to.

I was exposed to Tony's for the first time this morning with your sons and I think that they're truly fabulous.

Oh, we love Tony's.

People like were telling me about them when Lillian was really small and so they just didn't apply to me yet.

They still kind of don't, but it is such a good idea.

Like if the maker of Tony's is listening to this, like well done.

Yeah.

Because it's just great technology that I never would have thought of.

And it really is a way to like captivate kids without like being in front of a screen.

Yeah.

But still like really, I don't know.

I just think it's like such a great idea.

There's music, there's there's stories and they seem to love it They love it and they can like put the tonies on the box and decide what they want to play and You don't have to like keep changing the song and they can as much you know sometimes listen to one for like 20 seconds and then change or they'll listen to one for a few minutes They can get all their favorite characters We need Mario and Luigi on Tony's if anyone at Nintendo could work on that that's the only ones we're missing

But Tony's is also kind of like a new thing So I feel like the the amount of characters that they even have is amazing like they have so many yeah we love it I would say if your kids are like starting like one and up, I remember like Charlie was doing DJ Tony like around when he turned one because we already had Tony's for Harry.

Got it.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it's great.

And I think it's hard to like keep kids entertained without just like always putting the TV on.

And so I think it's like a great,

it kind of captures like what TV does without the screen.

Yeah.

When I brought them last summer, Claudia like call them the boys like talk radio boxes.

That's what I said to Chris this morning.

I was like, the boys, because he was playing classical music for my daughter.

And I was like, yeah, like the soundtrack here is a little different.

I think they're listening to stories.

It's like radio.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

And they have some, they have Beethoven's Wig Tony.

I'll have to play that one for you.

It's really good.

It's funny.

It's like, it's actually really funny.

It's one of my favorite Tonies.

It reminds me a little bit of Ian the Narrator from Love is Blind because it has an accent who I love and it's like comedy with classical music.

It's hysterical.

That's like Toast Radio.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Toast radio.

And then they also have a maestro Tony that teaches how to compose and it's such a good one.

one and i like that i need that it's uh that we have like a beethoven book in my family that i gave to my nephew and that i read to lillian which is like all um learning about the symphony through beethoven's fifth night fifth beethoven's fifth symphony and it like teaches you all about the instruments and like where the instruments come from um so we're big on that type of that type of stuff i need to get the the maestro tony you need to get the maestro tony i'll give you a sneak peek today when you come back to my house so proud of brainer for giving us more options yes and just for like owning it and just saying, like, I saw what you guys said.

Here's an, here's a new album cover.

And also, like, it's got approved.

I love that.

Yeah.

It's funny, but like, then the other part of me is now like, you shouldn't have backed down, Breener.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You're not about.

I'm not about backing down, but I am about Pargi artwork.

So

I'm stuck.

But I appreciate this.

And we'll see how it.

you know, actually plays out.

If this is like a limited edition thing or if it will come up when I'm playing her new album.

There are very few artists where like, when they come out with new music, I know that when I play the album, I will just love it.

Yeah.

And so anytime there's one of them, like, I will always support it.

It's like her, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo.

I don't know if you feel that way about Olivia Rodrigo.

I do.

So I'm always going to support her music.

Yeah, same.

I feel the same.

Like, I'll add it to my like songs before I even hear it.

I know I'm going to like it.

And I want it on my playlist.

Same for like Luke Homes.

Morgan Wallen, even though he's now has like 30 songs.

So I don't have to be selected.

Rascal Flats, probably.

Rascal Flats.

We need more refuel duets, you guys.

They didn't do Broken Road, so I feel like that leaves the potential for a sequel album.

It's the best.

Did you listen to it?

No, I'm not as much of a country person as you guys are.

Oh, my God.

I love it so much.

I just love them.

Like, seriously.

Who would you love to hear them do The Broken Road with?

Oh, I mean, my mind just goes to like the class, like Luke Homes, like just a fellow country singer.

But like, I trust them, except for Backstreet Boys, to pick the right person for the song.

I went to a Luke Combs concert this summer.

I do really like Luke Combs.

Like, obviously, I'm not as obsessed as you guys are, but I have to say, even if you're not a country fan, like, he just puts on such an amazing show.

It felt like a rock concert.

Yeah.

So, I was like, I went home and told Chris, I was like, you would love it.

And he's not a big country guy either because, like, it's such a good performance and it's so musical.

Like, he doesn't do all of the stuff that, like, even they do at the Aerostor, which I think is great, but he's just such a musician that I think anybody could go to his concert and enjoy it.

I agree.

So

I agree.

Putting respect on Luke's name.

Our next story, Demi Lovato has a new cookbook coming out called One Plate at a Time to help others heal their relationship with food.

So Demi Lovato is cooking up something new and it's not an album.

It is a cookbook.

The book is called One Plate at a Time, Recipes for Finding Freedom with Food.

It will be available next spring.

Demi has been open about her struggles with bulimia and other eating disorders and she told fans on social media that the project was born out of her own healing journey with food.

She said, stepping into the kitchen and learning how to cook has been such an important part of my recovery and healing my relationship with food.

The book is filled with simple, comforting recipes that have allowed me to reconnect with myself and find both freedom and joy in my kitchen, feelings that I never thought I could experience.

I think this is great.

I really do.

And I know that Demi has made a lot of career moves that I haven't understood.

And she's, she's like the frozen yogurt thing I thought was so a real low for her.

But I actually think this is wonderful because I think that's a real thing for people who like struggle with eating disorders is that food carries like so much weight, no pun intended, but just like being able to like be in the kitchen and cook and enjoy food, I think would be like such a wonderful way for people to heal.

So I love this for her.

I agree.

I just want, like, I'm curious how that's going to come through in a cookbook.

Like it's not about healthy recipes because it's not about thinking about food in healthy versus non-healthy.

Right.

And it's also a little bit about like learning how to cook to appreciate like, so I just wonder like tactically how she will be able to get that message through in a cookbook I almost feel like a cooking show would be an easier way to show like the joy of cooking and like the the wonders of food so I just I wonder if the message is gonna be able to come through in a book is all my concern maybe she'll do like a bunch of reels kind of cooking the recipes in the book she should get one on the on her on her should get lish yeah I think I hear what you're saying.

So maybe it wouldn't translate to a cookbook, but I think if she's able to do like a digital manifestation of the cookbook, then it could be great.

Yeah.

But then it's like, okay, then it's the digital career that's making it, and it's the video that's making it make sense.

Yeah, I don't know who's like buying this book,

but I think

it's a good career move for her.

I think so too, like leaning into this, she does a lot of cooking videos.

That's what I've seen like from her a lot.

And then it also just makes me wonder, like, from a, I love a cookbook.

So like, what are the recipes going to be?

And, and how can I trust, like, what makes you qualified to give me a recipe?

right and is it only geared toward an audience that has maybe struggled with something like this in the past or could it be broadly applied to people who just like want good recipes and if you are talking a lot about like the journey of healing like is it does it read almost more like a like a self-help a non-fiction book with recipes tied in

it she's kind of bitten off a lot here with this project and she's she's dug herself into like a corner of it's very niche it's very niche um yeah that i understand so i will say the avocado toast that she made in the reel where she was announcing her cookbook looked very good and it looked manageable for someone who's like maybe a novice but also not it wasn't just like putting toast in the oven and and slapping avocado in it what was it so she grilled the bread on a pan do you ever do that like with your sourdough no i put it in my toaster oven yeah so do i i think that's like a good easy way to level up cooking, but like I never do it.

And then she took like a

clove of garlic and like crushed it on the bread and then put avocado on it normally and then like sprinkled maybe like a little oil and salt.

So it was just kind of like it was a manageable recipe, but also still like gave something besides putting toast in an oven.

That sounds good.

Yeah.

We're going to get lunch after this.

Yeah.

Curavita.

Sounds good.

I want, I actually want that avocado toast actually sounds really good right now.

So while I'm holding space and I support Demi and like I support this era of Demi and like I might just buy the cookbook to support her and to support this wholesome endeavor.

I think she's maybe bitten off

a bit more than she could too, but I, what do I know?

Like, and I am curious what the actual recipes will be.

Like, because even when you talk about avocado toast, I feel like that's a superfood.

It will make you feel good.

It will make you feel strong and full.

And not thinking, maybe these are recipes that help you feel nourished, full, hearty, so you're not thinking about food all day.

Yeah, it's not like diet foods, but it's also not like, you know, like Ina Garden makes recipes

with a side of oil.

This is like a good, like mindful eating.

I don't know if like that's something she'll touch on in the books, but I could totally see it being like a great balance of recipes that,

like you said, help keep you full and are healthy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I just would like to know like where she got the recipes from since she's a novice cook.

Like

maybe she has a chef that she works with, which would give it credibility.

I would like that.

Yeah.

I also think that this like type of, you know, there's so many celebrity businesses and people get down on celebrities for having businesses all the time.

This is so inoffensive.

Like when celebrities come out with skincare or makeup brands, some of them are great and I never am one of the people who's like criticizing them for doing it because the cream rises but literally like the skin cream rises but

This is just like she's putting out a book.

She's not like using all these resources and oversaturating a market like she was like taking up space and taking time and you know resources away from another brand.

Like there are millions of books in the world.

Demi Lovato can write whatever she wants.

Exactly.

I agree.

A book is not offensive, but I'm also not someone to be like, you shouldn't be in this space.

No, anybody can do like anything they want.

Just don't buy it.

No, and it's like, if it's a bad idea, it's not going to work.

So it doesn't really matter like what you think.

And if it works, then it was something that people wanted.

So great.

Agreed.

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Our fifth and final story is something that I'm kind of obsessed with because Perfect Match Season 3 just announced their cast.

And I feel personally attached to this because I did know that Juliette Porter, when she was here, she told me offline that she was going on Perfect Match, but she obviously didn't say anything on the show on the toast.

So I'm like rooting for my girl.

And then I saw that Freddie from Love is Blind UK is also going to be on the season.

So more than that, AD and

what's the name of AD's They Are Engaged.

Yeah.

Ollie.

Ollie is also from Love is Buying UK, the same season as Freddie.

Right.

They are both on the show, and we do know in real life, like she's pregnant and they're engaged.

Was that from The Perfect Match?

Oh.

Yes.

So like this, I don't, I've never watched the show before.

I don't really know the format, but like between Juliet, Freddie, AD, and Ollie, also Clayton, I didn't watch his season of The Bachelor.

He's on.

Rachel from The Bachelor's on.

Like, there's a lot of familiar faces.

I'm wondering if I need to watch Perfect Match.

Yeah, I've never seen it.

I know you love Freddie.

I also think this is your impact.

And the Toast's impact is like how much you guys

championed him.

And he needs like, he needs love.

Can Jalen go on this show, by the way?

Like, they need to bring on people who were wronged by reality TV.

Like, there should be a reality show, like, called, like, PJOM Nation,

where all the PJOMs from all these shows get together and find love.

Because that's what, like, a common theme from this month.

I've spoken to, like, a lot of reality TV people.

And I'm like, and they're single.

And I'm just like, well, what if we just beep, boop, bop, boop, bop.

And And I think we need a show called P Joms

where these people can meet each other.

Rachel Kirk Connell.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Actually, like also Matt James, I think, could stand to meet someone.

Maybe not on the same season, but like.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree.

I completely agree.

Craig was Craig.

Craig, which is here.

I'm so glad that you guys, I don't know if you talked about it on the Patreon or when he was here, but like how he was just the star of the Briss, which I was lucky enough to be at.

Like he really was.

And then you were there.

What was your experience?

Well, he was obviously the tallest person in the room because like not Jewish.

So, like, although Ben's tall, but like, he was really the tallest person in the room.

Um, and everybody was everybody was talking about him, especially because, like you said, the services were long.

And so, we were all just like kind of looking around, kibbetzing.

And the women were like on the top because it was split.

So, it was like men like on the bottom, women were in the rafters.

And, like, we get to like chit-chat.

Yeah.

And that's like our role.

And so, we're just looking down at all the guys.

I said, I turned to Margo and said, like, he must be really bored because we were all kind of bored.

If I, if I

was finished, God bless Ruby yeah um but like it's it's it's boring

morning services and I was like we didn't even get to the Ruby part until like an hour and a half Ruby wasn't even in the room right um so I thought that he handled it like so well and the fact that like he came on and was just like you know no I'm all thinking like is Craig okay yeah it's Roshodej and then to hear that like he was so into it it was like really beautiful I'm I'm always when there's like righteous Gentiles who who come among us and like not only are you know participating but have wonderful things to say like you'll always have a a good spot in my book no 100 also p jom put them on p jom nation not p jom nation yeah i love this idea along with james i have to have more women charlie charlie more women juliet juliet

who else was here well it's a love island spoiler Should I not know we're spoiling Love Island today?

And actually, we can start right now because that was the fifth and final story.

So let's get into it.

Who else?

Oh, Landria.

Oh, Landria.

I, I mean, I don't know if she's out, it doesn't seem like she's out of the villa, but I thought she had such a wonderful, like,

she just wonderful.

She was so strong, and she had to deal with like all these people crying.

It's like, no, like, I felt annoyed for her because, like, I understand that the women are upset, and it would be one thing if they were not upset at all.

Like, you want them to be kind of upset that you're leaving, but then they were sort of like making it about them.

I'm sorry, they were crying like wild hyenas.

If I were one of the Casa Moore boys who they all seem really cool and like actually more like better catches than the Villa guys,

I would run from these women the way that they were wailing.

And Olandria is not even crying.

Now, Alandria has been like a fan favorite.

She's been my favorite, but as I've gotten really frustrated with the Villa, it's hard not for me to take it out on Alandria because with great power comes great responsibility.

And I feel like she's the leader of the girls.

Like she's the oldest.

She's the smartest.

And the fact that like the girls made, I'm not going to get over them sending home Hannah making the dumbest decision.

And like I feel like where was Olandria in that moment to stand up to obviously what was Huda's master plan yeah and where was she to say of course Hannah's not going home and of course it's gonna be Amaya and then look how that worked out because Amaya wound up being the one to knock her out by no fault of Amaya's the way that they ran that episode with Casa and the the recoupling and how it all went down was not conducive to a good show because think about like Tommy and Molly on their season if they went to Casa Moore and tommy did not engage with one of the girls because his girl is molly and he's like that's the test of casa more to see if your relationship is stronger than all these temptations so say he didn't engage with her because

engage with anyone because like he knows that molly is his girl so none of the girls chose him that would be like the normal thing and then he goes home or leaves the villa i don't know what's going to happen to nick and alandria but let's just say go home because they did say you've been sent home or leave the villa whatever i don't know what even like it's so stupid so it's like he's being punished for being loyal.

That's, that's kind of what happened to Nick, even though he was trying to make moves on Jaden.

I think Jaden chose Austin.

She probably liked Nick more.

I think she chose Austin because it's a safer choice and that secures her spot.

And it's like, yeah, Nick, you're cute, but like, I want to be on the show.

So I know you're going to go back to Sierra most likely.

I want to be here.

I would go with Austin.

I think that's why she walked up to Austin immediately and why she's staying by Austin, even though her conversations with Nick are obviously like much more flirty and cute than her conversations with Austin.

I think that the criticisms you have of the way that they're handling this are actually like a byproduct of how meh the contestants are this season.

Like, I think the producers are doing all of this as a response to them because they need to make it entertaining.

And I don't think these people are that entertaining, with the exception of Huda, which was like, yes, it was hard to watch, but it was like a car wreck.

Like, you had to watch and it kept people watching.

So, I don't love it either, but I also like it.

When they got to Casa, it wasn't interesting because there are no strong couples that needed to be tested.

So, I think production was like, okay, how do we keep the audience interested?

And they did it this way.

But I think the audience, this does not keep us interested because Nick and Elandria were fan favorites separately and together.

Of course, Nicolandrea edits, we've all seen, and now they're probably like having a field day.

And unless production did this for the Nicolandria stands, of which there are maybe 20.

I don't understand why they did this.

Like, what does this accomplish?

Nick and Sierra were the strongest couple in the house.

We're here for strong couples.

Like, we want to test the couples.

We want to see if they still come back to one another.

But I don't want to watch a bunch of random every night meet a new person, watch them have intro combos.

What's important to you?

What's important for you?

What's moving through?

What do you do?

Like, I go through that.

That's like the love is blind pots.

I go through that to get to the good stuff.

Making me go through that every night.

And sometimes, and right when someone reaches a point of interest,

they have a target on their back for having a relationship,

or they get sent home for staying loyal to their relationship.

Like, what am I watching?

I think Nick and Alandria are staying though.

Okay, because they didn't, everybody pointed this out.

They didn't say, like, you have now been dumped from the villa.

They just said, like, pack your bags, you're leaving.

And also, that flashing light that comes up when they leave the villa that says, loves me not, apparently was not, it didn't say loves me not.

It said, like, loves me, not.

And then, of course, like, when she pulls up in the car and says, get in, it's obviously like an exciting get in, like, we're going somewhere.

So I agree, maybe they're not dumped from the villa, but they want us to think that they are.

It's so stupid.

Like it's so stupid.

I think that people said they did on Love Island UK once bring people to like a hideaway.

So they made you think that they were leaving the island, but then they go to a hideaway together either to like, you know, watch over what's going on in the villa in Casa More.

But it could also be interesting because if people, they're putting the Nicolandrea thing to the test by putting them together in a hideaway.

But that would be really crazy if that's what they're doing.

The show is being run by Twitter and then like they do things that they think Twitter will like and then it's like a day later and we're like, no, that's not what we wanted.

Yeah.

And it's not a way to run your show.

Like also Alandria is all locked in on Taylor for some reason.

I don't think she's interested in Nick.

I think like she was talking to a lot of nice guys at Casa Moore and like it's Taylor for her.

So to put them in a hideaway, like, I just don't think that's going to do much.

Plus, Nick has his plate full between Sierra and Jaden.

Yeah.

I just don't get it.

Like that was like the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

And it's becoming not that I want to like feel bad for the islanders, but it's becoming like psychological warfare in there.

Totally.

Like every day, not knowing like what's coming that night.

And like you think, like you go on a show that has a format because you want to find love, say.

So say you're finding love and like you think that you're doing the right things and like at any moment the rug can be pulled out from under you.

I think when you're in the island, like it is.

like almost cultish in the sense that when you leave, it feels like the end of the world, which I can understand because they're like so removed from literally everyone and everything.

And so it feels like the end of the world.

But also if you like someone and you're taken away from them like every single night going through this, like they can't even enjoy a drink.

They're like, when's the text coming?

When's the shoe going to drop?

And it's becoming a little bit like a torture chamber.

Yeah.

I do think that Love Island seasons past have done a little bit of that.

I remember I think maybe it was last season or two seasons ago on UK.

They just like randomly dumped someone who was in a really good couple.

And that was great.

And then that person came back to Casa Moore, which is why you always hear the fodder of like, oh, well, maybe they'll bring Jeremiah back for Casa more like I'm not over Jeremiah I don't think he's coming back because he was on the vile files like I think he I think once you go on the podcast you ain't coming back I thought that too but like it still looks like he could be in Fiji like he was just in front of a curtain

and so maybe them letting him do podcasts like makes us think he's not coming back.

I don't think he's coming back because I don't think the show would do anything that's like actually what we want.

Or also, I don't think his connections were that strong where it would make it work.

I know, but like...

Andrina's like breaking my heart.

Like, just watching her, like

stumbling around Casa Moore with no friends and no man.

And like this guy that she's throwing herself after, like, he doesn't even seem that interested in her.

When like she went from being like the bouncer, the prize, like, oh my God, everyone was ready to cut and run from their relationships from her.

And now she's in Casa Moore as like the lowest rung on the ladder.

Like, what?

Yeah.

And Huda seems to be like doing pretty well in Casa.

She's getting by.

And that's like the theme.

It's like the people who are doing well this season are people who are not shining and not failing, like who are just getting by and like doing what they need to do.

And that's not interesting.

Like those people were never the interesting reality TV stars.

It's people at the bottom and the people at the top.

Yeah.

So why are we like not cutting some of trimming some of the fat here?

And now there's like 50 people on the show.

So it's also hard to keep track.

But I'm going to keep watching because like I love talking about it with everybody.

And I need to see this through.

It's been two episodes in.

Like Like a part of something and it's been like good for this, it's good for business.

So, and now it's, I've made it part of my like nightly routine.

So like I can, I can handle it.

And yeah, I guess I want to see it through, but I don't know what the, like, what this means for a next season for me.

Like, I think this has been really, really like bad for like the brand of Love Island.

It's really bad.

Yeah.

I think, as you know, last season was amazing, which is like your Achilles heel that you didn't watch it and now you're watching you're stuck watching this one.

But there I watched the one before it I watched I watched season one Love Island USA oh I think I watched season two I don't remember which was which but I watched the COVID one on the rooftop in Las Vegas I didn't know that that's that that's yeah that's how like Selly came from Justine who won that season is on perfect match also oh got it okay um I didn't know that this was happening after that was the Shannon and Josh season watched most of that uh-huh um yeah they were trying to like replicate last season and they picked in my opinion a bunch of duds with the exception of Jalen and Charlie.

Charlie.

Anna Landre is good, but like almost not right for this show because she is not quick to open up and let down her walls.

She should have gone on Love is Blind.

Yeah, she should have, or even like The Bachelor, because she wants a real relationship.

And no one, like, I hear, I think people are like, I would take one, but it's not, well, I'm not.

It's not at the forefront of their mind.

And I actually do think Love Island can produce good relationships because even if people go on with the intention of growing their following, being put on an island without your, like, forget your following, like maybe it'll grow when you're away, but like you're not even looking at your phone.

So I think it's, I think people who fall in love, I think most of the time it's, it's real.

You look at Molly and Tommy.

I know they're like the best success story, but um you really get to know each other.

So like if you don't like this person, you're not going to like them, but you get to see everyone through.

Like all you do is sit there and talk.

Yes.

And it seems like just on this season, the people are not really doing that.

And when Olandria was leaving and she said, like, I just, like, I haven't been in a relationship in five years.

I just want someone to love me.

Like, I just, my heart broke because I think that she,

are you thinking it could have been Jalen?

I, I said, Jalen would have, yeah.

That's what even

I don't fault her for that.

No, it's not her fault that the greatest man in the world liked her and she didn't feel the same way.

Yeah.

Um, and and Alandria, like, you deserve someone like Jalen, but if you don't like him, you don't like him.

Yeah, and there must be something about Taylor that's not

cross on the television screen.

Yeah.

With he's got two girls in Casa, in their casa more.

Coco and Clark.

Who did he, who did he end up with?

Clark.

He really likes Clark.

And Coco was with Ace.

Yeah.

Okay.

Like, that's fine, I guess.

We'll see.

Grayson and Pepe.

Yeah.

You know?

Oh, yeah.

There's a Grayson and there's a Jaden.

Yeah, there's a Grayson and a Jaden.

Okay.

And then for the boys, the only couples that are like in Casa more that are standing out to me are Sierra and Alan.

Love.

Love.

I hope that that she jumps ship.

Even though I like Nick, but like he's not giving her what she needs.

And Alan is like dialed in on Sierra.

Huda would really flirt with anyone at this point.

I don't like see a connection between the person,

J B

J D.

I'm not seeing it, but she'll take this thing all the way.

Shelly and Chris.

I like.

Although I don't know how to feel about this idea that like Shelly and Ace knew each other before and were sort of like going on the show as people who were a couple or like, I don't know what they're trying to do, maybe gain a following.

But so that like puts it weirdly into perspective.

And actually, I think you could see that when Shelly was talking to, I think Sierra and she said like, you know, if he came in in the beginning, like this would have like maybe changed things.

He would have been someone I would have talked to.

So maybe, maybe if that is the plot that like her and Ace came on to like do this together,

that she really was like thinking through she might like this other guy.

Yeah.

And I'm shocked that the producers haven't like kind of interfered with Shelly and Ace yet, especially knowing that like people really don't like Ace.

Like if they're listening to Twitter, they're not about Ace.

And like testing them to see

what this is the deal with their relationship.

Like I feel like other people have been so singled out like to like Jeremiah, Hannah, like they, things were really like orchestrated to get to shift things.

And I wonder why producers are leaving them alone.

Yeah, haven't messed with them yet.

I think they're, I think it's like the storm of the producers trying to do things and also like the islanders doing things.

And I don't think they interfere with everything.

I think like a lot of the things really are islander voted.

So sometimes you'll get scenarios like Ace and Shelley where they're not successfully able to.

But do you think the vote of the popularity vote with the bottom three, do you think that was honest by producers of who the true bottom three were?

Who were the bottom three?

The girls was Hannah, Iris, and

Amaya.

Okay.

Not Huda.

Not Huda.

And the boys were Jeremiah, Austin, and Pepe.

maybe.

No, maybe not Pepe.

Jeremiah, Austin, and

I don't know.

I just know Austin should have been the one to go.

I actually do think that that could have been accurate.

I think a lot of people voted for Huda because, as much as she, a lot of people are like, get her off the show.

It's the same thing that people say about like Lisa Rinna.

Yeah.

Like, get, like, fire her.

But why?

She's making good television and we're all talking about her.

At a certain point, sometimes people need to go because like they're not adding anything real or substantial.

But like when you're making that much drama and keeping people interested in the show, I understand why A, producers would want them to stay and B why people would would vote for them because you want to keep seeing like this train wreck.

I mostly think it was producers wanting her to stay, which I understand.

But I also feel like they had this like big moment with the hood and Jeremiah and like knowing when it's over and like now let's move on to the next thing.

Like Jeremiah was going to go find love and talk to Andrew.

And instead they like,

I think that they didn't know how to close the book well enough.

And then they closed it.

And it's actually the inverse where it's like, she stays and he goes.

He went on biophiles as making like a lot of news.

I think he's coming off really well, actually, like talking about like his experience there and how what you saw was really what happened.

And that he's just like a very like level-headed person, it seems like.

And it's not.

And which I, I don't, I didn't think that he was really doing anything so bad.

I think he was just like caught up in a bad situation.

Me neither.

And people were like throwing around, I mean, it was mostly Huda, but I've seen other people say like he was love bombing her.

And first of all, it's such an overused term, in my opinion.

I do think it's possible that maybe he was doing something like that in the beginning and i've honestly just forgotten it because it was totally overshadowed by like everything that happened after that but like can we stop saying people are love bombing when they're just like being affectionate towards someone on love island no literally on love island and also i feel like then you start to categorize like then you start to overuse it so everything that's like affectionate or overly affectionate is love bombing and but it's like no affection and overt affection are good things so now they're like getting dumped into this like bucket of bad and i do think bad things.

Right.

And I do think there probably are people in the world who love bomb.

Yeah.

And then it's like, well, the term, it's the same with gaslight.

It's like there are people who actually gaslight people.

And I even hate saying that word now because I'm like, I really mean it.

Not the way everybody would mean it.

Even people who like moderately gaslight.

It's not a total gaslighting.

It's a negative thing.

So like you're making it more negative than it is, but like

it's not good.

But like love is a good thing.

Yeah.

So like, so you

want to do less of that?

Like, it's just, there is clear love bombing.

I think being excited about someone and being all in on one person when you first meet them is a good thing most of the time.

Me too.

So, we'll see what happens next.

What's starting to frustrate me about the show is it feels like there are like an hour, 15-minute episodes, and like the first 45 minutes are the islanders like vulgaring around the villa.

Vulgar.

What word is that?

Is like Yiddish, like, for like just like

no, like, like slaying, like, like

Yiddish doesn't ever

let me try and get it.

That's one I haven't heard, so I have to know.

Vulgar Yiddish

definition.

Like when you're like lazing around, just sitting around.

Yeah, like, but you could be standing too.

Oh, no, they think I'm saying vulgar.

Also, that's the other thing about Yiddish is it's sometimes hard to look up the word.

It's so hard.

It's been passed down through your family, and everybody like says something different now.

No, and also, Yiddish is like predates, like, there's no real like written history

for and there's no like textbook of there might be some, but like, it's definitely not like digitized.

It's, it can only be like orally passed down.

Like, I can't, if Google can't tell me what vulgar means better than I could try and tell you, but it just means like, you know, fucking around.

A little bit.

A little bit of like fucking around the villa.

So they're vulgaring and

it's very boring.

They're obviously bored.

They just, and then they only perk up when they get a text, but it could also mean like that somebody's leaving.

Somebody's leaving.

Why don't they use the pool?

Have you noticed that?

in seasons past they're definitely in the pool i feel like it has to do with mics and with like them not wanting to like be like wet i'm also surprised that the girls are still wearing heels no that's so weird to me it's i understand doing it in the beginning it's part of the shtick and you want to look like your absolute best i can never do that like the bikini and the heels but i feel like wearing a bikini and heels like you don't look your best like you look silly in a bikini and heels yeah it is it is silly yeah it's so crazy to me, the commitment to the heels.

Yeah, especially because like they're also on camera without makeup and like in their, you know, in their like bedtime wear.

So I don't understand like that part of the commitment.

And I actually do think the women who ultimately like take the heels off and just like let their hair down a little bit are the most successful ones because they're having a good time.

The audience can tell they're having a good time.

It's like the commitment to always needing to be like hot 100% of the time.

You want to strike the balance.

We walk in like in a bikini and heels, but like we're vulgaring around the pool all day.

Like it's not going to be bikini and heels.

Right.

So then the first like three quarters of the episode are really like boring.

Everyone having boring conversations.

I think also so-and-so for a chat.

Like seriously, like they're falling asleep.

I'm falling asleep.

And then it's like, boom, text.

And it's like just blowing up the villa.

And now they drag out the ceremony of whatever it is.

And then we end up with two random unnecessary people going home.

That's literally every episode now.

That's true.

It's not fun to watch.

I also saw fun right now.

There hasn't been a single recoupling where the women.

That's what I say.

Oh, there hasn't been a single normal recoupling

left, and there hasn't been a single recoupling where the women choose from a men at the fire pit.

Not one.

So I don't know what they're they're doing, but they're doing something.

No, they're, I'm, I'm, I'm really not happy about it.

Like, I'm not having fun, but I, I do see this as like part of my job and I'm crushing it, you know, like crushing work.

And there's not a lot, we were just talking, there's not a lot of celebrity stories this time of year because every publicist goes on vacation.

Yeah, I was saying, because Liz can attest this, I was talking to Claudia on Patreon.

She's like, I feel like I've missed so much in stories.

I'm like, actually, no, you've missed a lot of TV recap.

But as far as like celeb news, there's not been like amazing news.

And you had, you just said that of your own accord right now when we were picking stories.

Like the stories are like this month, even on for your own Instagram, like it's not been popping.

Yeah.

Love Island has taken up like most of my content.

And it's, it's fun because even when the show is like kind of dreadful to watch, like going on Twitter and seeing all of the edits and like everything that everyone's, people are so, as much as I like rail on the internet for being so stupid sometimes, they also can be so clever and smart.

And it's like, that's the good part of the internet I like to harness.

Do you see like all these PSAs from Love Island about like not hating young people on the internet?

I think there's a kind of a couple theories about where that comes from.

You could say it comes from like the goodness of their heart.

I don't think so.

It's like a liability thing.

They have to say it or else, who knows?

Are things getting really nasty?

I've not seen, like, I've seen people being like snarky.

But then, you know, I saw Ariana do like a PSA, no doxing, no this.

I haven't seen, like, but why would I see stuff like that?

I'm not like deep in it.

But is that happening?

Well, I didn't know that

a specific corner of the internet that's a lot of Jews.

So, a lot of Jews think that Elan is getting a lot of hate, which she is from my perspective.

But, like, is that has that broadened enough for like the Love Island producers to see that?

I'm not sure.

Oh, it's in defensive a lot.

I kind of just assumed it was in defense of Huda, like everyone just like saying stuff about her, but that kind of ended.

Like, it's over, like, the time for that is over.

Also, though, like, Love Island does have a sordid history with

online bullying.

Yeah, because didn't the original host of Love Island UK was, she

committed suicide.

And like, I think a lot of it was like, she got so much hate.

And I think there was actually another contestant, maybe on Love Island UK, who, I don't know what happened, but it's come up before where even when they do those challenges where they read the mean tweets, I think they've had to scale that back because it's like, as much as we love watching it as the audience, because these people don't know what we're saying, like Huda not knowing what we're saying is so frustrating.

But I could see why like reading those is legitimately devastating.

Yeah, it seems like they don't care much about the Islanders' mental health while they're in the villa.

They're worried about what they're going to see when they go on social media.

And I just want to let you know, like, you're seriously running a psychological experiment in there.

And, like, you guys could dial it down.

How about that?

Yeah.

How about stop sending home like everyone's best friends and loves of their lives?

Yeah.

Yeah.

On a moment's notice when they think they're doing the thing that they signed up to do.

Right.

Punishing people for doing what the show is for.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm with you.

Like you made them all cry.

Like, I didn't do that.

The stuff about Elan, like, I want to talk about it because he is Jewish.

Like, there's been no sign that he was in the IDF, which, by the way, like, if he was born in Israel and an Israeli citizen, like, you're in the IDF because it's a compulsory army.

So people who use that is like, I can't, but he literally wasn't.

Like, he's a Jew from Toronto and he has a Hebrew name, but, and he went to Israel, like, once based on his Instagram.

And so everyone was like, well, he was in the IDF.

Like, so it's crazy.

And that's part of it.

Like, no, that is really crazy.

Everyone, when they talk about Elon, they're like the Zionists in the IDF.

And it's like, he wasn't even in the IDF.

And as even if he was, that's, I mean, you guys aren't ready for that conversation.

But so he wasn't.

So he's just a Jew and you hate him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So look in the mirror.

Yeah.

Look inward.

And he's my favorite.

And not even just because he's, I don't even like, I don't want to see too much about the people.

I don't look at their Instagrams really.

I'm like, honestly, I don't want to see like what you were doing and like what you were trying to be before.

I don't want to.

Or who you handed your Instagram over to when you came on the show.

Oh, that's the worst.

The people who have people running their Instagram and they're like, everyone vote for us.

Like, stop it.

It's weird.

Although I didn't love that he he like immediately started talking about Libras.

Like that's just like a kind of conversation I don't personally relate to, but he's a sweetheart.

I don't know anything about it.

And him and Sierra were relating.

I don't need to know everyone's horoscope in the villa.

That's another one along with fruit and what are you, what's important to you.

Like keep these, like we have to have these conversations every time someone new comes in.

Like right now, the idea of a new bombshell coming into the villa like is so dreadful to me.

Yeah.

Like to go through all this again.

The bombshells also who come in after Casa, I always feel like fail.

I don't even know why.

they just do it to shake things up, but I think it's sort of they shouldn't.

Yeah, but now it's like this is just a show of new people coming in every day.

There's nothing, there's no couple.

There is not one couple, especially with Nick gone for now, Alandria gone for now.

Then the only couple left would be like Ace and Shelley-ish.

He seems into Coco, and I don't know what would happen there, but maybe he's just doing it for their big storyline, you know, to show how they overcame temptation to be together.

I'm kind of like holding out space for Iris.

I really like her.

I like her too.

I liked her in TJ, although, like, I don't, I'm not, I don't know how I feel about her.

I just like liked that she was being saved by someone, like that someone liked her.

Yeah.

And then she just seems pretty normal to me.

Yeah.

And that she like is in it, you know, possibly to like grow her following, but also she just like seems to carry on a conversation well and she just seems like a girly.

So I like her.

I like her too.

I'm rooting for her.

Yeah.

She's with, who's the guy that she's with now?

Probably a Zach.

Probably you'd be.

I think so, because we did like Chris JB Elon.

So then it's like Zach, Zach.

Zach K, Zach.

Zach C.

C.

Which I like that they say that because it's not like Zach Cohen.

It's like Zach with a C.

Zach with a C, Zach with a K.

Yeah.

And I actually like Zach with a K.

He's the one with all the tattoos.

Did you see the video?

I posted a video of like he was on some show and he was like mugging.

Like he was one of those models who would like talk and then when he was finished talking, he'd be like.

So, yeah, I like him.

And I actually liked that he was like apologetic when he didn't need to.

He didn't need to.

And I thought, like, I mean, Alandrea had a lot, was very emotional in the moment.

But they were like lashing out at him for a second, being like, I don't want to talk to you.

Like, he didn't do anything wrong.

He didn't do anything wrong, but he just seemed, I was surprised by how, like you said, kind of wholesome those boys were.

Yeah, no, and they seem like catches.

Like a lot of them are professional athletes or former professional athletes or working men and handsome and tall.

Yeah.

I love to see it.

Yeah, me too.

So that's your Love Island recap for today.

We'll be back tomorrow discussing tonight's episode and we'll see what the fuck they've got planned for us tonight.

Lizard P, where can everyone follow you and keep up with all things slizz?

It's at Liz P.

Woods on Instagram.

That's like my only place.

That's where I put everything.

And I am so excited to get to do this again tomorrow.

Like, I'm so like, if there was anything that you wanted to say that you forgot, or if people wanted questions for you that I didn't ask, we get to do it tomorrow and run it back for our final day of Jackson Friends.

And tomorrow, I'm filming an interview today with someone right after this, and it will be in tomorrow's episode.

And I don't think you guys are ready for it because, like, we're not ready for it.

No, but I'm really excited.

We're going to get ready.

I love you dearly.

We'll see you on the next one.

Love you.

Bye.