Bad Habits with Lauryn Bosstick: Friday, June 6th, 2025

Support for this podcast comes from Progressive, America's number one motorcycle insurer.

Did you know riders who switch and save with Progressive save nearly $180 per year?

That's a whole new pair of riding gloves.

And more.

Quote today.

Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates.

National average 12-month savings of $178 by new customers surveyed who saved with Progressive between October 2022 and September 2023.

Potential savings will vary.

Hi, I'm William Googe, a Vuri collaborating professional ultra runner from the UK.

I love to tackle endurance runs around the world, including a 55-day, 3,064-mile run across the US.

So I know a thing or two about performance wear.

My go-to daily short is the core short from View.

It's perfect for my daily run in the gym, strength training, or even when I'm taking a day off, relaxing, doing some stretching, and recovering the best way I can.

Check them out by visiting viewery.com/slash William.

That's V-U-O-R-I vuori.com slash William, where new customers can receive 20% off their first order, plus enjoy free shipping in the US on orders over $75 and free returns.

Exclusions apply.

Visit the website for full terms and conditions.

Good morning, girlies.

It's the toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

It's your favorite show.

The fast-five things you need to know.

We'll start your day off swirly.

It's the toast.

I sound amazing.

Welcome back to the toast.

I am joined by Lauren Bostic, the skinny confidential herself.

I'm so excited.

We've been chit-chatting ever since we got back together.

I have not seen you in so long, and we have so much catching up to do offline and online, and we're just going to do it all online right now.

Let's do it.

How are you doing?

Congratulations to you.

Congratulations to you.

Thanks.

A A couple of pregnant ladies.

A couple of pregnant ladies.

What's so crazy is I was thinking back to the last time we podcasted together, which I believe I just, like, I was newly pregnant with Harry.

So I think I was like, like in my second trimester with my first pregnancy.

Okay.

You must have had your daughter.

Okay.

I think you're right.

Was that the one where my dad was with us?

No, that was when you came on the toast, like back.

I'm just like good with years, so don't think I'm creepy.

2018.

I have no idea what year.

We sat in front of a pink backdrop.

I just like know what the year was based on where I was and like how skinny I was.

So we weren't, that was 2018.

We were in the toast with the pink backdrop.

Your dad was there and

so great.

And that was when you hosted the toast with me, but we did your podcast in 2019.

Okay.

And then we also, though, I was on the toast again.

And I don't know what year that was.

I'm sure you would know.

I feel like I was on it one more time, right?

Yeah, but I feel like they were like close together.

And then it's been so long since.

And then you were on our podcast when you were pregnant with Harry.

Yes.

But then I was also on your podcast like once before that.

And we sang Little Mermaid.

Yeah.

And that was like back in the day.

You guys have to come back on.

After you've

given birth, come back on.

We have to come back on and do like a women's health episode.

Now that's all Claudia and I talk about are like women's health issues.

I bet people love it, though.

It's like your audience.

You're sneezing and peeing.

No, that was the topic of conversation today.

Yeah, it's true, though.

I do feel like our audience has.

grown with us and like we're all sneezing and peeing right now.

Yeah.

You're evolving together.

Yeah, but I think back to the last time we podcasted together and and I genuinely feel like we were two completely different people.

Yeah, you definitely change when you become a mother, don't you?

You have limited capacity for bullshit.

Yes.

I feel like very direct.

Yes.

You know, like curt.

Yes.

My patience, all of my patience goes to my children.

Everyone else gets zero.

So, so accurate.

The patience goes to the children.

Yeah.

But I find, and don't you find that you're more efficient and productive when you have that lack of patience for anyone but your children?

Yes, I do.

I feel like I'm so much more just like driven and focused.

Yes, because you have to squeeze every second out of the orange if you have a moment to yourself.

Like I just had a three-hour flight and you better bet your ass I returned 6,000 emails and text messages and like fired shots.

Yeah.

Because you don't get that time.

No kidding.

You're so good about that.

Like I feel like I've read so many things that you've said about batching.

Watch.

and stacking.

I batch and you stack.

I batch and I stack.

I'm like, I need to log on the treadmill and answer emails and I'm going to do neither of those things.

I'm not walking on the treadmill answering emails at this moment right now.

Okay, that makes us all feel better.

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Like a lot of stuff is happening.

And also with Michael's complaints about his back pain right now, I can barely like squeeze in a moment for myself.

Right.

But that hurts.

Oh, does his back hurt?

I saw he threw his back out, which actually really is painful.

Like, no lie, it's such a painful thing to go through.

I mean, it's painful to be pregnant for two.

But when your wife is 100 months pregnant, like that's more painful.

He, he is

one that likes to show his inner monologue.

So, like, I have to hear the whole narration of every single butthole hair.

Oh, he doesn't suffer in silence.

Oh, no.

I'm a silent sufferer.

And I think everyone around me should thank me for that.

Yeah, I'm a little bit silent.

I can sometimes complain to him a little bit, but I'm a pretty silent sufferer, sufferer.

So when he's complaining, I'm just like, oh my God, this is your whole thought process.

It's just a lot.

Oh, that is a lot.

I hope he's doing okay.

Pregnancy.

His bag is okay.

He's not.

He could barely walk me down the street.

At least he can take a muscle relaxer.

Would you allow for that in your home?

Let it rip.

Because also you're, you're a crunchy queen now.

Like non-tox.

You are.

Is crunchy non-toxic?

That's what I think of it as.

Like, I would say I'm a crunchy mom, but I have goals of being crunchier.

crunchier like you put me to shame it's no it's i feel like it's like 85 percent non-toxic and the rest is maybe toxic that's good because i was gonna ask like what are your toxic traits oh in terms of like me as a person no no i would never ask you that why in terms of my toxic guilty pleasures like thing like you know like what's not organic What's not organic?

So I use normal makeup.

Okay.

I try to like reach for Lawless because I like the brand, but I do use normal makeup.

It's hard.

Like I love NARS.

I love NARS.

I love NARS.

I love like the Lady Gaga makeup.

I forgot.

House Labs.

Love that.

Like I love normal makeup.

I haven't switched there.

I also dye my hair pretty well.

Oh, okay.

That's good.

So, I mean, I'm dying my hair.

I definitely ordered McDonald's three days ago, a cheeseburger, just cheese and meat.

Happy hour, happy meal.

happy hour.

Happy hour.

So I love McDonald's.

I don't do it all the time, but I do it and I'm a slob about it.

Like I'll do it in bed.

I have a bed tray.

Like I have the best bed tray.

Yeah, but we only see it like loaded with like tea.

No, it's not always loaded with tea.

I'm going to take a picture of a colostro.

I need my own.

I need to, I think like I get so excited.

Like I went through the the in-and-out drive-through the other day and I got so excited that I didn't even have time to capture the moment.

I understand.

Do you know what I mean?

Like I'm like, oh my God.

So I need to capture me.

I mean, I just don't think people want to see me like stuffing my face with a cheeseburger.

Yeah.

No, I, I, and I don't feel like I know if I like thought about you long enough.

Like I know that you have things that you do that are probably not like.

organic or whatever.

I don't think you're hiding it from us.

You don't seem like someone who's like.

No, I don't care.

Yeah.

I'll tell like I love my daughter and I call it slumber party where we lay in bed in our robes with our bed trays and eat a plowman's lunch.

Do you know what that is?

It's like a bunch of different like snacks on a plate.

Oh, like a, like a tackle tray?

Like everything.

Okay.

Like chips and jelly beans and like cut up like burger.

And like we'll both eat our

plates and she'll go on her games.

She has like a little game iPad.

And then I'll watch my like reality television.

So like I have stuff that I do that's like definitely like unproductive.

Okay.

And I, people should like, I, I can be like a total slob too.

Like I will like let the closet get absolutely disgusting and then I'll get like off on cleaning it up.

Yeah.

That's my goal.

Okay.

That makes me feel better.

That's what I need to do.

No, it hears me.

It's definitely not like it's my house like is not put together all the time, especially my bathroom is a disaster.

I'll blow it up to explode it and then I'll get off on cleaning it up.

Okay.

That seriously makes me feel better.

No, I'm the same way.

Like things like pile up and some things are looking good and then other things are not.

Yeah, you do.

Listen.

It's a bit called balance.

I feel like someone said the other day, they're like, I blend.

And I feel like that's a good word instead of like, we're all trying to balance, but like blending is like, you just, you make it work.

You do what you can.

Yeah.

I saw a meme once that was like, my room looks like this, messy, so that my house can look like this.

And like my house is clean.

My kitchen's always clean because like I'm always cleaning those things.

Then the time I get into my room, like I'm not cleaning anymore.

Literally exactly.

Yeah.

That's, that's exactly it.

So, I mean, crunchy, I don't know.

I feel like I'm, I'm very specific about the cleaning supplies that I use because it's made such a big difference.

And I'm oddly specific about, you know, when you get in an Uber and there's like a Christmas tree that smells like a scented cherry raspberry.

I like, I can't, I can't do that.

It bothers me.

Yeah.

And my skincare is a mix, but makeup is fully toxic.

Okay, I love hearing that.

I also feel like, you know, brands have made it easier these days for things to be cleaner.

You know, everyone wants to be a little clean.

So, like, my skincare, I don't have to like look that hard to.

What do you use for skincare when you're pregnant?

Do you do clean?

So, I feel like every few months I start something new.

I try to be more clean when I'm pregnant, especially with like shampoo and conditioner.

Like, I'll use like Vegamore, but then sometimes I'll throw in.

I love my Milbon, you know, like I'll treat myself every once in a while.

I'm using right now, Vanny Cream on my face.

It's like, um, I know it is.

I never heard of it before, but it's like for babies too okay and apparently it's just like for sensitive skin that's crunchyish it is it's accidentally crunchy i was just having like really i get redness that's like my skin issue where it's like rosacea and i was having like like more redness than usual i can like live with a certain degree and i was like i need something like i need to scale it back so i started using this vanny cream and it's been great so i'm gonna stick with that and then i use road in the mornings before my makeup and that's been working your hair is this color my hair is this color you're so lucky thank you i couldn't imagine taking on like prior in my life i could have been like oh yeah i'll go get my hair done every six weeks is that what you guys do every six weeks now i can barely get my nails done i got my nails done today and that was like

that thing also something toxic that i feel like it's i use dazzle dry what's dazzle dry it's cleaner and that's not even i started using it before i was clean it dries faster and it lasts longer i can't think of one downside like i would have invest if i could oh well maybe they'll reach out maybe so what about your cleaning supplies so i use branch basics and i for like day to day.

And you're crunchy too.

Oh, no.

I'm, I, I'm crunchy and I would like to be crunchier.

Like I feel like slowly but surely, you know, what's the next thing I'm about to swap?

What?

My toilet paper.

Oh, don't worry.

I'll send you skinny confidential toilet paper.

I hadn't made that swap yet.

I thought that was so brilliant.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So Lauren has a brand of products, beauty products, and you're also entering our home space.

I'm entering the home space.

I feel like there's a skinny confidential standard that we have that's not, it's not the crunchy-ish.

It's like, it's ish.

Yeah.

A lot of us are ish, a lot of us are ish, or at least like we're on our way.

It doesn't happen overnight, it's not like one day I'm just clearing the decks and I'm changing everything, but like I might notice something about something, or I might hear something about a chemical, and I'm like, oh, well, that's a hormone disruptor, and that's in my shampoo.

And you know, I want to be pregnant, or I'm like, so it's just every day, it's like small things until you make a big change.

You literally nailed it.

That's how I live my life.

It's just little refinements.

I don't want to overwhelm anyone, but like, if I can get a wood cutting board over a plastic one,

and you're cutting on it and you're getting all that plastic in your food, it's like such an easy swap for sure.

Except the wood cutting boards are harder to clean because you can't put them in the dishwasher.

Like, does anyone want to talk about that?

Like, it's seriously, I think I just at this point need to get a new one.

Just get 10 and I'll be like I need disposable have your husband chop some wood outside.

Do you know chopping wood's really good for testosterone?

I feel like I don't even need to be a scientist to understand that.

Like, that sounds right.

I need him to chop me a fresh wood cutting board every day.

That's one where it's like, this isn't my favorite.

You know what?

My husband can't chop wood because his back hurts too bad.

So that's good.

No, my husband wouldn't chop wood.

And he chopped me a couple cutting boards.

I need to just like water the lawn more frequently because our grass is dying.

Yeah, I'm sure they all have complaints for that.

It just hasn't happened yet.

Yeah.

You got to install some sprinklers.

I think the sprinklers are poorly installed.

That's a problem for another day.

Yeah, you nailed it.

It's just little tiny tweaks that you can make.

I don't want to overwhelm people.

I'm just like, these are the little things that I've done that I think make a big difference.

I, I have this like weird theory that I want my home to be a place where my family detoxes.

Everything, it's like bright lights and the smog and the pollution and the, you know, you're, you're, I'm at work and there's Windex everywhere.

Like if I can make my home a little bit more of a cleaner space,

it makes me feel good for my kids, but also everyone's nervous system.

Yeah.

It's just more relaxing.

Yeah.

You know?

No, that's a really nice way to think about it.

What's like something that you've done that you feel like makes the biggest difference or a big change like in your environment?

By far, cleaning the air.

Like a purifier.

Yeah.

The Jasper, I talk about this all the time has changed my life.

Do you have one in every room?

How does it work?

You don't have to get one in every room.

If you're going to start with one, I would get one in your bedroom and like downstairs where it's like communal.

Okay.

And it just cleans the air.

And the theory is, it's like we're all so concerned about the water that we drink, but the air we breathe, we're like fish in air.

Yeah.

It's like what fish to an ocean is like us to air.

And so it's important that you're thinking about the air because it's so full of so much shit.

That one I think is a good one for people who have families.

Yeah, that is a good one.

I also feel like even when I'm in the city versus like when I'm in the suburbs, and I like noticed it a lot when I lived here and I'd like leave the city for a weekend, especially when I was pregnant, I'm like, I feel like I could breathe.

And then like just living outside of the city now, I, it's such a noticeable difference, at least for me.

Like, I used to have worse headaches.

I still have them, like, cause I'm a headache girl, but it's just not what it was.

You know, I bet you that your state now and your nervous system is so much more relaxed from when you lived here.

I would bet you that.

I think so too.

And also, just like the environment, like the pace of things, the traffic, like all of those things were just like they have me operating at such a high stress level.

Yes.

And for sure, I don't know if they can run tests, but like your girl has calmed down as much as I can.

That's that it's probably like a change where when you come back here, it like kicks you into a different mode.

Yeah, definitely.

It's interesting.

I feel like it's hard.

It's hard if you're a kid and you grow up here and you've never seen anything different besides this because you just think like cortisol, cortisol, cortisol.

Obviously, there's pros about growing up here too.

Yeah.

But we did a mix.

Like we lived in the suburbs until like I was in high school and then we moved to the city.

And so I've always like yearned for the suburbs and I'm such like a not, I've always been like, I'm not a city person, but my sisters are.

And I just always knew that about myself.

Even when I went to college, I went to like such a remote area.

And I liked it.

I liked it.

Calm.

Calm.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

And Claude's not like that.

No, she is a city slicker.

It's the craziest thing.

She's a city slicker.

She's, she would live here forever.

Is she crunchy at all?

No, but I do think the path to crunchiness like does start in pregnancy and in motherhood.

And I even, even in her pregnancy, like she sends me stuff all the time.

She's like, what do you think about this?

What do you think about that?

Like she is taking it seriously because like you start to think about stuff.

Like everything mattered, like, you know, if you use something when back in the day and there's, it doesn't have like, you don't think about the larger repercussions, but now you start to think about every decision.

And it just like, then you start looking into it.

And it doesn't look good.

It doesn't look good.

And you know what?

The ones you really have to watch, you have to watch the daily habits.

so like for instance toothpaste that's something to look into you're putting it in your mouth another one is baby wipes i what do you use i use coterie okay i got my blood tested like a year ago and they were like you're so high in triclosin and i'm like

triclose what the is triclosin so i start googling it's found in soap And I'm like, but the soap I use is non-toxic.

It's branch basics or symbiotica.

So what else is this found in?

Come to find out, it is in a huge, famous

brand of wipes that everyone uses.

And I was using so many wipes.

What is it?

Just tell me.

No.

No.

Yeah.

What's fucked up about this is that DM me and I'll tell you what it is.

Yeah.

Comment wipes.

Yeah.

Call my wipes.

Here's the thing.

The reason it's annoying is because the name of the wipes is like manipulative.

I've been using them the whole time.

And I would use six like hundred a day.

That's not sustainable, but I would use like I would, you're wiping.

I have two kids.

I'm wiping.

Yeah, everything's wipes.

Everything's wipes.

Everything's wipes all day long.

Their hands, everything.

The wipes have triclosin in them and they don't say it on the package.

And I went and did a deep dive.

No, they only say one thing.

Yeah.

They only have one ingredient.

One.

It's so conniving.

But like, it's, that's something you're going to use all day long.

It's worth looking into.

Like, if you're going to use a lip gloss that's like, has stuff in it and you only use it a couple of times a week, I don't think it's as gnarly to look into as like a toilet paper, a toothpaste, a wipe.

No, that's a really good point.

Cause sometimes I'll do something and I'm like, well, it was just once.

Right.

Like I'm not going to sweat it.

Yeah.

I had a soda or whatever.

Exactly.

But like if I was starting my day every day with it.

Yeah.

It's better to be.

There's nothing better than a McDonald's Diet Coke.

Yeah.

No, it's so true.

I haven't had McDonald's in a while, but I have had a lot of Diet Coke.

And I was eating like Chester's this afternoon.

What's Chester's?

They're like cheesy puffs, almost like Pirates Booty, but like not even as healthy.

Like I won't try it.

They're really good.

I also really like flaming hot Cheetos.

That's another toxic trait of mine.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's like what I wanted to know.

Big tax.

That just makes me feel better about like my own choices.

Listen, I

and when I'm not pregnant, I like tequila.

Like I, yeah, because tequila is like natural.

I like some of the text.

It's plant-based.

Yeah, I guess.

I definitely like to,

I don't, I don't know if balance is the right word, but

the daily blend.

The daily habits are where you should look.

Yeah.

You're doing every day, all day long.

Okay.

I have my homework.

Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Hill House Home.

Hill House Home is one of my favorite brands that sponsor us at The Toast and also one of my favorite brands, period.

They invented the viral nap dress, which has the most flattering and comfortable fit with their signature smocking.

So, I fell in love with the nap dress a number of times in my life.

Like, one, just living down in South Florida, like wanting to wear a light dress that's very beautiful.

I don't want to sacrifice style because I don't want to wear anything too heavy, but the nap dress is just so perfect for that cottage core look.

And now, in my pregnancy, every time I need to dress remotely fancy, I am wearing a nap dress, and I'm not even going to think about anything else.

One of my favorite things about Hill House dresses is how easy and versatile they are.

You could wear the same dress that you'd wear running errands during the day to a party or a nicer occasion.

Quadi and I have been so obsessed with their dresses for pregnancy.

We have worn them through every single stage of pregnancy.

I know she's wearing hers postpartum.

I plan to as well.

The commitment to comfort and style applies to all categories.

They sell amazing bedding, robes, and pajamas.

I feel like I'm always caught in my Hill House home pajamas and it's such a Pargy look.

Like I'm not embarrassed.

Their bathrobes and pajamas are so soft, which are perfect for a getting ready moment.

And don't forget Hill House Kids.

You know, we love matching with little ones and they have the cutest things for kids.

They have the every single thing that they make is incredibly cute.

So get 15% off your first order of $100 or more at hillhousehome.com with code Toast15.

Again, that's code Toast15 for 15%

off your first order at hillhousehome.com.

Today's episode of the Toast is also brought to you by Resort Pass.

It is Frida's, and if you are looking to do something so fun this weekend, you have to get on Resort Pass because they grant you access to the best pools, spas, and cabanas at top hotels and resorts with no overnight stay required.

Yeah, sometimes we don't need to go to the hotel overnight, but I would like to use the amenities, but they don't let people who aren't guests come through.

And that's where Resort Pass said, Hold my beer, I'll get you in.

And they've done that.

They've partnered with 2,000 plus luxury hotels.

So there's always a dreamy spot nearby.

No membership, no hassle, and passes start at $25.

book a day pass in under five minutes and turn an ordinary day into something unforgettable with a hundred thousand plus five star reviews they're here to make rest celebration and self-care easier than ever as i said it's not too late to decide to have the best weekend ever and i'm kind of influencing myself to do that maybe tomorrow will be a resort day pass for us we don't really have other plans and i'd like to have an amazing day use the pool use the spa use the beach access cabana then you also get restaurant service oh my god it sounds amazing already like honestly i have to end this episode and i have to go visit resortpass.com slash toast and use code toast at checkout for twenty dollars off your first purchase that's r-e-s-o-r-t-p-a-s-s.com slash t-o-a-st-t code toast for $20 off your first booking at resortpass.com slash toast.

Today's episode of the toast is also brought to you by Haya.

Haya are children's vitamins, but typical children's vitamins are basically candy in disguise filled with two teaspoons of sugar, unhealthy chemicals, and other gummy additives growing kids should never eat.

That's why Haya created a super-powered chewable vitamin.

While many children's vitamins are filled with five grams of sugar, which is known to contribute to a variety of health issues, Haya is made with zero sugar and zero gummy additives.

Yet it tastes great and is perfect for picky eaters.

And the kids love Haya.

Like kid tested, kid approved, and mom approved.

Haya, everybody loves Haya.

They fill in the most common gaps in a modern child's diet to provide the full body nourishment our kids need with a yummy taste that they love.

They have 15 essential vitamins and minerals, including vitamin D, B12, C, zinc, folate, and many others to help support their immune systems, energy, brain function, mood, concentration, teeth, bones, and more.

It's non-GMO, vegan, and dairy-free, gelatin-free, and nut-free, and everything else you can imagine.

The kids love Haya.

Claudia always talks about Michaela, it goes wild when it's Haya o'clock at her house because they really just love it so much.

It's so tasty for them and it's fun and the bottle has stickers and it's just a great, it's a great experience all around.

So

the same multivitamin that more than a million kids and parents love are now available with Disney's The Lion King with a new Lion King unboxing experience, including the Lion King bottle and Lion King stickers.

Okay, the game has changed.

Like they're about to bounce off the walls for Haya and we've worked out a special deal with Haya for their best-selling children's vitamins.

Receive 50% off your first order.

To claim this deal, you must go to hayahealth.com slash toast.

This deal is not available on their regular website.

So go to H-I-Y-A-H-E-A-L-T-H dot com slash toast and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults.

Speaking of homework, I listen to your podcast a lot.

You have a great podcast.

You've been podcasting like forever, which is such a big deal in this day and age.

Everyone starts one, you know, everyone wants one.

They get to 50, but no one wants to do one.

You podcast, you've been podcasting for how many years?

i have been podcasting for nine years but you podcast five days a week yes yes yes no i'm not saying what i do is you know it's small but like you have podcasted for nine years i have how many episodes a week are you up to we were doing three

and then it's gone down now to two and i think that's fine because it it gives like it gives it a little air a little breath

We also don't do pop culture every day like you guys do.

If we did that, I feel like you guys are like almost like a news station.

Yeah.

Like I rely on you for my pop culture, celebrity, influencer news.

If we were doing that, I think we would need to do more, but ours are more interview-based shows.

Yeah, and very evergreen.

And it's definitely changed like throughout.

I mean, you would hope over nine years that the show would change, but it's become like very educational and very informative.

Informative.

I hope so.

I think so.

I mean, episodes that I listen to, or even like clips that I see, I'm like, okay.

I hope.

I mean, listen, it's a non-judgmental space where we let people's opinions rip.

Do I agree with every single person we have on the show?

No.

But I don't want to go to dinner with a table that I agree with.

And I've said this many times.

I like having colorful people around me.

Yeah.

I'm very, very into like quirky people and different opinions and not agreeing with everyone.

Like it, I feel like it makes life fun.

So that's kind of what the podcast is.

Yeah.

No, and you definitely, that definitely comes through.

And I think that's some of the more interesting conversations because everyone's having conversations now and a lot of people are saying the same thing.

So it's like nice when you hear something different, even if it's just enough to like know that you didn't agree with it.

It's like you can even like flex, like work that muscle of disagreeing.

It's honestly a sign of intelligence, I think, to be able to sit and not have to

fight back with someone you disagree with.

Yeah.

You could just sit in it.

Yeah.

And just be critical thinking on your own.

Yeah.

No, it's really true.

What's your favorite kind of guest?

I like people who are totally themselves on a mic.

Okay.

I'll give you an example.

We just had the medical medium on.

He had some wild ideas, but he was so comfortable and confident in himself.

And I think that comes through.

It's hard when you get someone, and you know this, that is guarded.

They have a PR team.

They only want to talk about certain things.

They want to keep you in this like maze of like

the corn.

They just like want to speak without saying anything and they just want to like run the clock almost it's boring yeah like you're on a mic yeah so you you have to have the balls in my opinion to just be yourself and and the funny thing is the audience and your audience knows this too like they can smell it when it's like a pr

by my book situation yeah it's boring don't you feel the same way i do and i also just feel like the act of listening to a podcast is so much like more intentional than it is Like even when you're on a TV interview and you're just passing by in the airport or the drugstore and it's like, we're not listening to every single, but if you're putting someone in your ears for an hour, like they owe you at least their authenticity and just to say something worth hearing because it's not so passive.

And there are so many things people could listen to and they're choosing to listen to you.

I think that.

the ones that do the best, the podcast hosts and guests are the ones that show up and they're not thinking, oh my God, what are all these people going to think of me?

Yeah.

But don't you, don't you feel like you like that in real life too?

Because for me, like a refreshing person is someone who's

like not so guarded and like, I don't know, I want someone.

I hate the word real is not right, but just like, it's refreshing to just be like raw and candid.

And like to be an individual.

Wow.

It's really refreshing to be an individual.

Or to speak with one.

It's literally.

But also to be an individual it's actually it is a nice experience it's amazing and having your own ideas and like not everyone's gonna like you and that's okay yeah no and like just feeling confident in yourself like take it or leave and i feel like you really have that mentality i try have always like it when you started do you feel like your mentality about that has changed over time just as you've grown up doing it i think when it comes to me and you and claude i feel like we were like born to be on a mic.

Like I am not born to be modeling on Instagram.

Like it's just not my, it's not my forte.

I think that I am most comfortable talking over sharing.

I'm curious.

I want to interview people.

I want to know what's in their medicine cabinet and what's in their pantry.

Like that's just my nature.

So a podcast feels very natural.

If that's not your nature and you're really good at an Instagram feed or stories or TikTok, like you should double down on where you're really good at.

Like you and Claude, like your essence to me is

through a mic.

Yeah.

No, and I feel for me, like long form, like I, the idea of like saying something like quickly and like I like to take my time.

I like to like flesh out my ideas, maybe go down that one, say, oh, I didn't like that.

Go this way, like talk everything through.

I feel like some people are like more punchy and they'll like keep it to a minute.

Yes.

When some people just have like a really good eye and it's like, they'll make something look like beautiful.

Yes.

That maybe I couldn't do that.

Yes.

So I do think even in like the space of like influencing and creating, like everyone, there are lanes within it.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And there's something really nice about a conversation flowing in the right way.

Like, you know, when you have a good guest on, yeah.

And you're like, oh,

it's just like you can put a piece of hay in your tooth and sit back and relax.

And it's, it's, it requires a person who loves to talk and be on a mic and knows how to, I always say it's like a ping pong match.

Yeah.

You know, yes, it's, it's an art.

Yeah.

And it's the art that I like the best.

No, it's true.

And you guys have so many guests, but I feel like that also leaves out this variable of like the unknown of what's going to happen in every episode.

Right.

You never know.

Do you worry?

Like

going into an episode, like, do you get nervous?

Like, will there be meat here?

Um, I think it depends.

Have I gotten nervous in episodes before?

Yes.

But also,

I think that I just try to show up really, really neutral.

Like Like for the guest.

Yeah.

Like I try, I'm trying not to have an agenda.

I'm trying to just let them be on stage.

I put the guest on stage and I want them to look their best.

And I mean, if they like, if they mess up on that, like we're not, it's not really like a gotcha show.

No, not at all.

Yeah, I'm not trying to like put them in this position where they look bad.

I want them to look great.

Yeah.

But sometimes that doesn't always happen.

Yeah.

I try to support that.

Yeah.

I feel like most of the time that's like what comes through.

You're like, like, oh, they went unskinning company.

Like you just like, also airs like gives them an air of like seriousness in the field at this point.

I hope so.

That's how I see it.

I mean, I'll take it from you.

Yeah.

I'm like,

queen of the mic.

Oh my gosh.

Thank you so much.

And Claude.

I mean, you guys, you guys have no easy feet to be on a mic five days a week.

I was asking you off air if you guys get sick of each other or if like you don't have a lot to talk about.

And you're like, no.

No, we've, I feel like the fear of running out of things to talk about, I used to have more until I like, there were times where it was like, okay, we've literally, well, we'll have nothing to talk about this time.

And then we just like go live and it's all there.

And so now I'm like, no, we actually will not run out of things to talk about.

And even moving

in some ways was obviously like hard for, it is hard.

Like I miss, I miss my girl.

But it's been actually great for the show, just having like completely separate lives.

I just want every single day we catch up with each other.

And therefore, like we're catching up with everyone.

Where we used to have like the, the same day doing it together.

So we're not going to like, you know

recap it for everyone all the time and now i just feel like everyone's even more a part of our lives because they're like watching us keep up with each other yep and also when she becomes a mother too oh yeah it's gonna be like it's gonna be so cool to see you guys like even as like a viewer from an outside perspective of of you both because i've been a fan for a long time i feel like i've been How long ago was that episode that we did around the huge table?

That was like 2017.

Okay.

So that's a lot of years.

Yeah.

Not great at math.

That's

eight years or something?

Yeah.

I mean, I've been a fan for a long time and to see

you both become mothers is like crazy.

No, I'm really excited for her.

I forget where I said this.

I don't know if it was like private or public, but it's like, I learned so much from her every day, like in our job, just as creators, like just as a person, like as a friend, as a sister.

And I'm so excited to see how she does motherhood and like learn from her.

I know.

I think she's going to get a little crunchy.

I think she will too.

I really do.

I I think her take on it is going to be like just refreshing and funny.

And I'm excited to like learn from her on this.

What do you think the most overwhelming thing is going to be?

For her.

Yeah.

Oh, the mess.

She doesn't like a mess.

I think that's going to like rock her.

What's been yours?

I mean, these days it's probably sleep, you know?

Yeah.

I have a couple hacks.

In the beginning, it was breastfeeding that like really was hard for me.

It's overwhelming.

It's so hard.

And I never thought, thought i was always like oh yeah i'm gonna breastfeed and i never like i never thought about it and then you give birth and you have to breastfeed and they're like every three hours but it's like every two and a half because the session is 30 minutes and

it was it was so painful for me but like it was so important that i i really wanted to do it and i did do it just the first time i just it was very very difficult and that like was very overwhelming for me okay

I just finished Hilaria Baldwin's book.

It just came out.

It's called Manual Not Included.

Is she coming on your show?

She's not.

Okay.

But she can if she wants.

She has seven kids.

Yeah.

And she gave this tip about breastfeeding.

And I feel like we should like listen to her.

She has seven kids that she's breastfed.

And she was doing two at once.

Tanda.

Which is

so gnarly.

And she says.

And I don't know a ton about breastfeeding, so everyone could tell me in the comments if this is true or not.

She says that she would pump every 30 minutes for only three minutes.

Okay.

Is that true?

That's a thing.

It's like power pumping to like stimulate your boobs to make them.

But it just, she never ever had to like actually pump for milk.

She was just like stimulating them.

It was all day long because she would stimulate every just for three minutes.

She said it was, it's way more efficient to just do it every 30 minutes for three minutes, put it down.

Yeah, I think that's definitely a strategy.

What I noticed, and it's hard to compare because the second time is always easier.

The first first time is the hardest and then with the second baby it's easier like you have more supply and like you know what you're doing and so i had a much easier time the second like a brief like it was a dream scenario no supplementing i breastfed for like as long as i wanted and then moved on and i would like pump once a day just to get out any extra and like keep it in the freezer and you didn't do like every hour or anything

of feeding of like pumping no i i really i only pumped like in the morning just to like make sure i just like was emptied out from the night like Okay.

What's the pump that you used?

Spectra, the blue one.

Okay.

What do you use?

I think I fucked so long.

But I also, I hate it.

I got the one that

Amanda Hirsch from Not Skinny, Not Fat told me to get it.

I think it's the one that is the to-go one.

LV.

I'm going to text it to you so we can put it in the show notes.

I think it's the L V because that one's great for to-go.

It doesn't mean for us to put it in the middle.

Listen to you.

I used it like when I went out, like my first night out.

Okay.

You use Spectra.

Oh, if you're like home and you're like charged, spectra is like super powerful and it was good.

And I really liked it.

You only did it in the morning?

With Charlie, yeah.

Like I only, like, I would feed him in the morning and then I would empty out the rest and then feed him throughout the day when he was hungry.

So like every two and a half hours?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And how long do you do it for?

I six months.

That's a long time.

Yeah.

That was like my goal.

That's how long I did it with Harry, but I also had to supplement a little with Harry because I wasn't producing like as much as I wanted.

And it was just like, so I did more supplementing.

And then at six months, like it was with me.

What's your favorite formula?

Well, I don't think you're going to like this.

Both times I've used Emphamil.

I don't have any judgment about formula.

I don't know enough about it.

I don't know.

This is like an area that I'm not, I don't give advice.

I don't know about it.

I don't give advice either.

I just like, I know there are all these like new wave ones and like some of them like seem so great.

We just had the Bobby Founder on and that seems like a really good one.

Right.

I've read so much about it.

We've like used Bihart before.

I've seen Kendamil.

I see like really nice ones on the shelf.

It's like goat milk.

Europe.

Then you see like, like, yeah, the European ones.

Yeah.

I just was like, I want one that's been around a while.

I get that.

You know, it's, it's really.

But I didn't like it.

Like, I didn't, like, I wouldn't be like end of the milk.

Like, maybe you'll get a collab.

Maybe you should cut that out.

No, I don't think I want a collab because I don't even think I would like, it worked for us.

And I'm like, it worked and it was good.

But like, there's just something like, and I think they're like going to recalibrate the formula industry a little bit because it's just really, there's a lot in there.

I mean, I might just buy buy a goat.

I think you should.

I think you should, or you'll do raw milk.

Oh, yeah, a cow.

Oh, but goat's milk is apparently better.

I saw pictures.

I'm also, I became so interested, like fascinated by breastfeeding once I started.

I was like, oh my God, like

it's crazy.

And I'm like, it's crazy.

And I think, I feel so like tied back to like women throughout history, you know, that are churning butter.

That are churning butter or even like, oh my God, a wet nurse goals.

Like you get to have a breastfeed child and I don't have to do it yourself.

But I was like, what did women do who couldn't breastfeed back in the day before there was formula?

Wet nurses, right?

Well, they would either do wet nurses or

a goat.

I saw a historical photo of a child feeding from the teeth of a goat.

You know what?

Apparently, goat's milk is most akin to human's milk.

A goat, a goat being my wet nurse,

jumping the shark.

So I'm brand.

I feel like, I've jumped the shark.

Because it's like, it's so interesting.

Like, what did people, like, formula now has like solved this issue, but like before that, like, what, if you didn't have a wet nurse, like, and some people like can't breastfeed or it's like they're not making enough, like, what do you do?

I think you can donate.

Don't like pump, really.

Don't.

Well, I'm sure they had like manual.

Yeah, I'm sure they did too.

But isn't it fascinating to think about?

It's out of control.

It's what's so crazy to me is after I gave birth to.

Zaza, my first daughter, is that like you go through all this with your body and it's so intense and it's every single facet literally of your body basically.

And then they're like, okay, breastfeed.

And for me, it was like overwhelming.

I was like, oh my God, I've just had every facet stretched.

And then it's like, and this is like the worst one yet.

It's like,

it's, it's a lot.

You ever have a clog?

I've never had a clog.

Oh my God, I was getting so many clogs the first time, but they also say like you get more clogs the more you pump because it's like, no, I've never had a clog.

I've also never had mastitis, which I heard is the most painful thing ever.

no i was getting a clog a week it was so painful it would like keep me home from work sometimes like it was so can't you have your husband suck it out yeah did he do it yeah oh my gosh

winner winner but then the science changed in between my two kids like literally the science behind clogs changed it used to they used to think that it was um

a clog like an actual clog so you would need to like melt it like something stuck so like you would put heat and then the thinking changed like literally six months later that it's actually inflammation and you need cold and so everything that you were doing like rubbing like killing yourself hot showers was making it worse that's really interesting because i remember putting those hot packs on my boobs yeah but now the thinking is cold well i feel like you should do like a breastfeeding post you seem to know like a lot about it no i really got in the weeds with it so you need to do cold that's what they say i might be texting but that's like everything you know baby should sleep on the front baby should sleep on the back like how just they the recommendations change all the time all the time so you really have to do like what feels right for you so if you're gonna co-sleep is there a certain side oh co-sleep my favorite subject um not for me we would just i would just go with like the side that's like more inner to the bed you put like a like a round one of those like round do baby do you put something in there i didn't so you just do the baby on a sheet Yeah, like just in the lay rigamortis, like you're like low like on your back style, like where you're like cuddled in.

And that's so nice to wake up to.

It is nice to wake up to.

I'm going to try it.

Because you know when you like have a sleeping baby and then you put them down finally and then they start crying because you put them down.

Yeah, they want to be in your stomach still.

Yeah.

Like, but when you never put them down, they just will sleep longer.

Like then, of course, like then we had to like, you know, transition to a crib.

And like that was.

a hard i but it was it would have been hard if we did it at one month or five months so at least like in those early days like we were getting more sleep i just like i i have this really like crazy this isn't crazy but like i just wouldn't want any electronics around the baby's head.

Yeah.

Because here's a crunchy mom thing.

I am learning so much about how like the Wi-Fi and the EMF, like babies' heads are obviously softer than adults.

And so the EMF like goes into their brain easier.

Interesting.

They have such a soft skull.

And listen,

don't quote me.

Go read about it.

Do you have the thing on the back of your phone?

I do.

I have the thing on my phone.

I've been targeted so many times.

I've made a cart so many times.

I've just like rebought it.

I love it.

You love it?

Yeah.

I should get one.

It's a little, it's a little sticker.

Yeah.

I think, listen, anything that can help helps.

My Kindle's on airplane mode, but I just like, if I'm co-sleeping, I think I would have to read a hard book.

Like, I don't think I would want to read a Kindle.

To pull up your Kindle.

Yeah, I probably wasn't even reading at that time.

I thought you were just asleep dead.

You're so tired.

We were actually in a really early, like newborn, newborn, like days-old stage.

We were watching tired, watching TV.

And that's fine.

That's what I'm saying.

And that was fun.

Yeah.

I just like, I'm, I'm, I'm like learning so much about the cell phone.

Well, I have a super crunchy friend and we were just like on a girl's night, like we stayed at a hotel together.

So she was like saying how she doesn't sleep with her phone charging next to on her nightstand, like that.

It's awful.

It's awful.

It's awful.

Yeah.

Okay.

It's awful.

Don't sleep with that phone.

And by the way, I want to say this.

I used 10 years ago, I used to sleep with my phone next to my head.

So this is not judgment.

We've all done it.

I sleep with my phone now outside of the room on airplane mode.

I saw you just did an interview in the cut.

I was just reading it.

I'm so serious about that.

But this is 10 years of figuring it out.

It was not something I just woke up with.

Okay.

And I just feel like it's too much on the nervous system.

And I don't know.

We just don't know enough about it to be sleeping next to your head.

Yeah.

Okay.

But I'm not the expert.

Shit brought a patent paper to write down on my takeaways from today.

This is like my homework.

This, I don't know why.

I'm thinking a lot about

your brain.

I feel like so often I'm just like, I'm like looking for a prod or like, just like, oh, what should I use for like this in pregnancy?

Even like prenatals.

And I'm like, well, what does Lauren use?

And I literally stalked your Instagram and used ritual.

It's, I think, ritual is just like simple and it just gets the job done.

And it's like, you know, what you're getting.

Yeah.

That's overwhelming too.

The prenatal.

Yeah.

It's all overwhelming, though.

It is.

Yeah.

It's, you want to, every single person has the intention to do their best for their child.

This is what I've learned.

So if they're giving their child something that's perceived as like bad, there's an intention usually there that's good.

So we're all trying to do our best.

Yeah.

It's not easy.

No, it's not.

But you gotta, I mean, it's just like, there's no choice.

Like, yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna do it.

You know, with school too, like it's impossible.

It's like, is it private?

Is it public?

Is it homeschool?

Is it this?

Is it that?

Do you want them on screens all the time or do you want them in an an entrepreneurial school?

It's on it.

Like, it's just, it's, it's not easy.

Yeah.

It's a lot of different choices.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't think there's one right way.

There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat.

And every child is different.

They're all different.

They need different things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you just got to really pick and choose, but there's not a perfect option.

Yeah.

I think you, you sacrifice in any area.

Yeah.

But the phone thing I've been thinking a lot about about where it's going next.

I know that's like very weird, but like, I don't want to like be put, you know how when you're carrying your baby and it's like right

or like they're sleeping and it's like right here.

It's too much.

I want it away.

Yeah.

I don't know if that's like just something that is happening this pregnancy.

Yeah.

No, I feel like it's a gut feeling.

Yeah.

And then you just listen to it.

It's probably best.

And don't you feel like when you're done with work, like you just want to put your phone away because you've been on it all day?

Yeah.

Or sometimes I'm just like on it for a long time and I'm like, I have to get off of this thing.

I keep finding myself going back to the same apps.

Like there's nothing there for me.

And I'm not even, I don't even have TikTok.

So I'm not even like like doom scrolling.

I'm just like going back and forth on Instagram.

It's like, it's enough.

There's literally nothing on there is worth my time at the moment.

I've seen it all.

Don't you feel better when you're off it?

Yeah.

Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Taylor Farms.

My life is brought to you by Taylor Farms.

My lunch break is brought to you by Taylor Farms.

And if you don't know what Taylor Farms is yet or you haven't tried it, wake up.

It's time to change the game.

Stop chopping lettuce, washing lettuce, pulling out a million ingredients, using half an onion, leaving the rest in the fridge only for it to go bad and you throw it away.

Like those days are over because Taylor Farms is here to save the day.

So, Taylor Farms are pre-made chopped salad kits that come in a bag.

Typically, lettuce in a bag has gotten a bad wrap and it has thoroughly earned that bad wrap.

But Taylor Farms is rebranding Lettuce in a Bag.

It is so fresh, it is so tasty.

The combinations of flavors that they have are so original and Pargy.

My favorites, everyone knows Mediterranean crunch, Caesar, Mexican street corn, Green Goddess, sweet kale.

So good.

I could go on.

I actually haven't encountered one that I was like, eh, not my favorite.

Every single one that I get, I love.

They're so great for a commuter, lunch on the go, working girl.

Also, if you're hosting a dinner party and you've already worked so hard preparing all the food and now you have to chop a salad.

I don't think so.

I don't think that now you have to chop a salad.

I think now you're going to take your Taylor Farms bag and you're going to pour it into the bowl and it's going to be Pargi.

And whether or not people know that it's Taylor Farms, either way, they'll be impressed.

Like, oh, if they don't know it's Taylor Farms, they'll be like, oh my God, you chopped all this for me.

Thank you.

And if they do know that it's Taylor Farms, they're going to be like, oh, she's in tune with what's necessary.

So grab a Taylor Farms chop salad kit and get your salad together.

They are available at all major grocery stores and they are like seriously changing lives.

Thank you, Taylor Farms.

Today's episode of The Toast is also brought to you by Opil, the first over-the-counter daily birth control pill available in the U.S.

Let's be real, getting a prescription for birth control isn't always easy.

In fact, about a third of women face barriers to accessing prescription birth control.

But now OPIL is empowering women by putting birth control in our control, making it easy and accessible for all women.

OPIL is a daily birth control pill that's FDA approved, full prescription strength and estrogen-free.

Not to mention it's 98% effective when used as directed, making it the most effective OTC birth control available.

Opil is also safe for most people and can even be used by breastfeeding mamas.

The best part is that there's no prescription or doctor's appointment needed.

You can buy Opil online and at major, most major retailers.

Opil is birth control in your control, and you can use Toad Toast for 25% off your first month at opil at opil.com.

That's codetoast at opi.com.

Check out Opil to see if it is right for you.

Do not use Opil if you have or ever had breast cancer.

See Opil label for a list of warnings.

Opil is birth control in your control and you can use Code Toast for 25% off your first month at opil at opil.com.

That's codetoast at opil.com.

You did not tell me that you don't go on TikTok.

I don't either.

You don't either?

I wouldn't know.

Neither of us would know because we're not on TikTok.

Well, I'm on TikTok.

Like you have a brand, like, but your team runs it.

I send my team what I want to post in the caption.

So I like will micromanage the content and send it to them.

That's perfect.

I don't.

like I don't go on there.

Oh, this whole pregnancy.

I have not been on TikTok in, like, I haven't haven't had a TikTok in years

for a bunch of different reasons.

Like, I don't know when I first deleted it from my phone.

Maybe like the first like privacy scare issue where it's like they're spying on us.

And I was like, oh, okay, bye.

And then it like comes in and out.

That's not like the whole reason anymore, even though like, yeah, don't spy on me.

But I just realized for my mental health, like I already spend a lot of time on my phone.

I work on my phone.

Like, I'm not, I don't need to increase my screen time by one minute.

And if I'm on TikTok, it will be by five hours.

Like, it's, there's nothing there for me.

And I find people like it's so in the weeds about like these minor dramas from tick tock i'm like well if you

come out of your phone for a moment like that doesn't exist i've never heard of that tick tock feels like the daily mail

it's a bunch of stuff that i don't like you just said don't know that i need to know i feel you don't need i don't need to know but also what the second i got pregnant and i went on there i'm really big on like listening to my intuition and there was something that was like it was very very like low vibration.

It didn't feel like

it didn't feel good.

No, it's not making you better.

No, and I know you like, I would be like programming in my phone and be like, Louise, hey, affirmations or like trying to get like stuff that I wanted.

But still, you, you just see a bunch of shit that you don't need to see.

Yeah.

I feel like.

No, and I feel like the overall goal of TikTok is not to make us better people, more informed, smarter, like interesting people.

It's to make us like lazier and stupider.

And I'm not falling for it.

Yeah.

I don't know.

There's something about it that doesn't feel uplifting.

It's, I wouldn't say it's uplifting.

I think that's a great way to put it.

No.

And also like my, my friend has a great role.

He only goes on TikTok when he's on the Stair Master and he's on the Stair Master.

He's like earning it.

Yeah.

So he's earning it.

And he, I think he does the Stair Master like twice a week for 30 minutes.

And that's his TikTok.

And if you can create boundaries around it, great.

That's good.

The endorphins outweigh the low vibrations.

I mean, I just don't, I don't know.

Maybe I'll feel different after I'm pregnant, but as of this moment, I can't do it.

No, I feel like that feels right, but it's good that your business is that, like you're, you yourself are still posting on it.

So you're like in the mix.

I'm in the mix.

I'm like, I'm like,

I'm, I'm at the party, but I'm not at the party.

Yeah.

No, I feel like that's the best way to do it.

Cause like it is good for business.

Yeah.

I mean, we have a toast pod and we've, we've gone viral, apparently.

Many times, I'm sure.

Because people,

and that's like been good for the show.

And people hear about the show.

Great.

Great.

I don't want it on my phone.

Well, when I was a little girl, my dad used to tell me, don't read your own press clippings.

And the problem with TikTok is when you get in those comments, you're reading your own press clippings.

And I am not just talking about negative comments.

I'm also talking about comments that suck your ass.

I completely agree.

I always say this.

I have my DMs turned off, like my auto response.

Like, you can't just reply to my stories.

And it's not even for the haters, which of course I don't want to see and I don't want to know you.

But it's also like, I don't want like so much immediate like positive affirmation.

Like, oh, you look so immediate.

like, I don't want that all in my head.

It's like not a human, like, it's just not a, like,

we're not designed to process all of that.

And I also don't want to post something to my story and then be like, well, no one's saying that I look so great.

I agree.

And I just, I don't want to measure myself in any way by that, positively or negatively.

And it's like, this is me.

You can, you can go to my page and like send me a message if you want, but you can't just like respond to all my stories with like your initial thoughts.

It feels reactive.

Yeah.

I think that I might do that too.

It is not healthy to get excessive praise or excessive hate.

Yeah.

I think that we're going to go into this era as a society.

I'm assuming in like the next three to five years, where people are going to have such purposeful boundaries around the phone.

I really think that the pendulum is going to swing and like people are going to do exactly what you're saying.

They're turning off things.

They're setting up guardrails, notifications.

The fact that like you can just text someone and you expect a response in two minutes is wild.

You won't get one from me.

Wild.

Yeah.

Sometimes I'm like, I'm so sorry I didn't see this six months ago.

No, that's classic me.

I'll wake up in the night.

I'm like, fuck.

They texted me three weeks ago and I forgot.

I would just so you know,

you could literally text me a year later and I, anyone out there, I will never be mad.

Okay.

That's good to know.

I am not like, and if you take it so personally, and like, I know it's so offensive.

Like, I don't think that's it.

I don't think it's offensive at all.

I just like, I saw your text.

It came to me at a time when I couldn't respond.

I left it open and then I forgot about it.

I'm living my life.

I mean, I don't understand.

I am literally living my real life and being present with my children.

And it's nothing personal.

And I don't expect it back from you when I send it right away.

And if you miss something and you miss an event, you do what you can do.

Yeah.

No, like the mental like battery that it takes for me to respond to a text message, I,

a lot.

I think it's like more than the average like it takes everything from me like it's so hard or like even on like my birthday when I have so many birthday meds

I literally just thought Okay, so it's Mother's Day yesterday

I'm like thank you thank you and then my birthday's two weeks later oh my god I have sweating I have to like leave them all unopened or else I will not respond to every single one and then they're just like unopened for hours and then I'm like sit down I'm like

you but you want to like be like not like hey how you happy to you how's your day what'd you guys do the worst is when it's like happy birthday like it's someone you haven't talked to in like years like someone from high school or something happy birthday and then it's like and then it's like how are you and I'm like oh

no it's a trap

It's so, I find it so difficult.

And I don't know what that says about me or like why I am this way.

Too much.

My husband's the exact opposite when he's like, why can't you just answer a text message?

Like Like, you're literally sitting in the car.

You can't answer Michael.

Oh, yeah.

No, I don't.

I don't, I mean, I love a voice note, but I can only do it to like super close people.

You know, that solves some of my problems.

You know what has solved a lot of my problems?

Two things.

Voicing the text.

Talk to text.

I talk to text all day long.

So that's how I get them.

I run my whole business.

So formal.

Like confirming receipt.

We'll be back to you soon.

It's

my assistant is printing out all my voice to text notes for like the funny ones for my birthday, she said.

And there's so many things that are wrong because you're voice to text.

That's really good.

But I also got a keyboard.

This is how much I hate texting.

I got a keyboard and you put the phone in the keyboard and you type on the phone back.

So I go to the foot spot with the keyboard and I respond for an hour to as many texts as I can

on the keyboard because I cannot be typing little.

There's something about it.

Like it's actually my cortisol, right?

That's what it is, cortisol.

i don't expect a text back either yeah no it's like i didn't send you a text so that you had to respond to me i just sent it so that you would receive what i'm saying yes and also like if someone wants to spike my cortisol to 6,000 say following up oh yeah and I'm like fuck I'm a piece of shit

following up is really like condescending energy it is and it makes me feel like kindly following up what if they're what if it's kind though

still hurts I almost almost would rather just do like, let me know.

Or just like, pretend like you never asked and ask again.

Be like, hey.

Or like, no worries if you can't do it, but just let me know.

I is fine.

Yeah.

But the following up, I'm like sweating with hives.

Yeah.

No, that's really rough.

Oh my God, I'm cracking up.

Well, before I let you go, I just want to talk some business because we didn't even talk about half your stuff because I just, we got into the weeds.

The skinny confidential business, like, is

I saw that you have a new product launching.

We do have a new product coming out in a couple months.

But what do you have?

You have so many things.

It all started with the ice roller.

The ice roller is really like the iconic, like, cult classic because I really think we reiterated on it to make it better and prettier, which is what we try to do.

And from there, it's gone into like a travel roller and a dry brush.

The balls.

I like the balls.

The balls grip your face.

Like, it's so funny because on your podcast before we had the product line, we talked so much about lymphatic drainage.

that was like your thing it was like the most natural product an influencer could have come out with it's like you so excited doing ice rolling it's so it's so natural i think your audience and i think it was your audience i'm almost positive thought that i would name my firstborn lymphatic bossic that's so funny that I feel like they would.

I remember the conversation completely because everything that I was asking, you're like lymphatic drainage.

I'm like, what do you do for hangovers?

You're like lymphatic drainage.

Like I still do it.

Everything.

Pregnancy phase, lymphatic drainage.

I know.

I try and like when I do my moisturizers in the morning to like put them on and like ever since you i don't like go up i only go down i love it so you go up on the face and down yeah and then like down the next and you can feel you can feel it like you can taste it when it's draining yeah it's like almost gross but it's like

yeah you know you're doing what you need to do yeah i so i just think our goal is to make things prettier and better and really tap into your daily habits.

Like that's what it is.

Yeah.

It's not like a skincare brand.

It's like more just like daily habits and making them better.

Yeah.

No.

And so now you have toilet paper.

And now we have toilet paper.

And I'm, I'm so oddly passionate about this because

I learned so much about toilet paper as a mom.

It has formaldehyde, chlorine, all these different things.

And we're wiping our most intimate areas with hormone disruptors and endocrine disruptors.

And to me, I'm like, wait, I can make this better and prettier.

And also like toilet paper is so boring to get in the mail.

Like let's disrupt that.

Let's make it pretty.

I'm going to send you some.

I'm excited.

Yeah.

I wasn't going to ask, but I really need to.

Oh, my God.

I'll send you some.

Don't worry.

Okay.

Thank you so much.

And then I also saw it because you just gave a great interview to the cut that you're writing a book, another book.

I'm writing another book.

What's this one?

So the book, I have not announced what it's about, but it's going to be something that is

like random.

It's not like

your other books.

No, it won't be like the other books.

I want this to be like the book.

Okay, I'm really excited.

Like it's something that I've been mulling over.

You're the book girl.

we were just talking about books i am not you read so much i think you read more than me like because you oh reading i do yeah i do read how much do you read i probably read for an hour a day i love reading do you have like a reading time or you just like fit it in where you can that's what my text should say i'm so sorry i'm reading it's my reading time it's my reading time yeah i uh read when my kids go to bed for an hour and if I wake up early.

Okay.

So if I wake up

before your kids, that's like a life hack that I have unlocked.

Like, I'm not perfect at it.

Like, sometimes I'll wake up after my kids.

I don't have an alarm.

So I just wake up when I wake up.

Oh, that's nice, but you're a natural early riser?

If I'm not hungover, if I'm hungover, I could wake up at 8.30.

Right.

If I'm not hungover, I'll wake up.

If I'm not hungover, which obviously I'm not hungover, I'll wake up at like 6.45, 7 naturally.

But I'm in bed.

at

8.30.

So when people are like, how do you read?

Well, I'm in bed at 8.30 and I'm probably reading from 8.45 to 9.45.

Do you watch TV?

I don't watch TV in the room because if you watch TV, you stay up later.

But so do you watch any TV in your life?

I watch TV all the time, but only during the day.

Okay.

I watch, I love Housewives.

I need to do that too.

We watch TV like for the show.

And not that I don't like watch other stuff.

Research.

But we just got screeners recently.

Huh.

And Claudia now watches them in the middle of the day.

What's a screener?

Like early, because we watch like reality TV.

so now we get like screeners, so they send it to us like a day early.

I would love a screener for summer house.

That's so hard for screeners.

How do I get a screener?

We don't have to watch live, but it's like if I want to watch Watch What Happens Live, then I do have to stay up till 10, but I'll be okay.

I'm better off reading.

I thought you meant like the medical.

You have someone who's watching

the TV and giving you notes.

You think so highly of us.

Yeah.

No, we just can watch it earlier in the day.

So we don't have to like stay up.

Yeah, so that's your job.

Yeah.

You don't have time to watch TikTok.

You're screening.

Right.

Yes.

And I want to read.

I would try to watch the TV during the day.

Because the problem is, if you watch TV at night, like I'm going to tell you right now, if I watch TV at night or look at my phone after 8:30, I'm fucked.

I'm not asleep.

Do you have a landline?

No, I'd love a landline.

What if someone like needs you after 8:30?

It's too bad if everyone's murdered because we're going to figure it out.

I'm offline at 830.

For me, I'm like, well, the solution to that is a landline.

Called a friend to that.

I'm Ricka Mortis at 8:30.

Does Michael keep his phone on?

He doesn't.

He's not allowed to keep it.

We've had, this is like our biggest fight.

Okay.

Okay.

Tell me.

He's not allowed to keep it in the bed.

There's no phone in the bed.

Our bedroom is for fucking and sleeping and reading.

Like there's no phone.

And when he gets that phone out, you should see my energy.

I'm like, no, like the bed is not for the phone.

So if he wants to be on his phone, he can go out in another room.

And as far as watching TV, he has a mini iPad.

And he, I swear to God, this fun fact, he goes under a barefoot dreams blanket and has to watch it under a blanket.

Oh my God.

That's so fun.

Yeah.

I'm like, these, this is like

the phone, I'm just done with it.

Do you have a TV in your bedroom?

No.

Well, there you go.

That eliminates it.

Yeah.

But I watch TV.

Okay.

No, no, no.

I'm learning to show you.

Like, I know all the shows.

Does Michael's phone stay on and in the room when you guys sleep?

It's on airplane mode on the charger across the room.

Okay.

So no one can get hold of it.

No one, because I'm like, sometimes it's like, sometimes on some of the holidays, like I'll turn my phone off, but I'm like, well, everyone, Zach's phone is on.

So if you need me, like, you can reach me via him.

Maybe we should get landlines.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

That's always like something like, oh, I'm going to do that.

Well, if you're worried about, I mean, you have four sisters, you have a big family.

Why don't you just get a landline?

I know.

I will.

Claudia has one.

And, but, like, don't call it.

Like, no one should call it.

Do not call me.

Do not come.

It's for an emergency use only.

But what if I start getting like spam calls in the night?

Oh my God, I'll lose my mind.

Maybe not.

Change the number.

Perhaps not.

No, just, yeah.

Listen, we all got to figure it out.

I know.

I know.

We all got to figure it out.

Figure out a letter.

Yeah.

Carry your pigeon.

I don't know.

Like, or call me in the morning.

Yeah.

We all got to figure it out.

What is anyone going to do anyway?

I know.

It's social.

What can I do for you?

Like, what could I do?

We're in Florida.

Like, I can barely drive.

Like, I mean, yeah.

When I'm this pregnant, what am I going to do?

You want me to roll on down?

I'm done.

Like, at 8.30, like the show is over.

The mouth tape is on.

The Kindle is out.

The red light, like it's over.

What kind of car do you drive?

You have to cut it out.

Cut out of the car.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

Why?

Because I just, I don't know.

It feels like I don't know.

What is it?

It's a bad car.

I don't know.

It just doesn't feel a Bentley.

Sweet.

I don't know.

Go off.

Is it a good mom car?

Amazing.

It's the best car ever.

I'll tell you why it's the best car.

You can leave this part in

it's the best car because i am like an old person i feel like you have a little old person in your shoe florida a lot of old person yeah and my shoes it exactly like it's like you're you like the old the old and this car is designed for an old person and so it's like a sedan it's a sedan size it's not an suv it's the it's um it's the uh

set five seats so it's it's i think it's a sedan it's not like an suv it's not tall no okay i don't like an suv okay i'm just not a good driver at all no same i learned how to drive two years ago so then that's why you would like this car because you it's it reminds me of mr magoo putzing around like i don't go fast it's that's so cool i call it the leisure car you know what i mean yeah yeah what kind of car does your husband drive fentley another low but he drives he drives the convertible oh but you guys don't have an suv no

maybe we'll have to get one.

I know.

He wants to get a truck.

Yeah, that's cool.

I could see that for him.

And then that would like solve the like SUV bucket because I feel like, how do you have three kids and then you don't have an SUV?

But like there you are.

I guess, well, I guess a truck.

Would yeah.

Yeah, a truck.

But like, am I really going to be

going to get like a huge, just one of those like F-150, whatever?

I don't even.

Not an F, I think it's a Ford.

A Ford.

That's F-150.

Yeah.

It's a big, he wants a big Scottish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think my neighbor has.

I'm not a I got I had an escalade for a long time and I did not like it because I felt like an Uber driver.

That's funny.

And you had an escalade before you had kids, right?

Yeah, I didn't like it.

And then you became a mom and you got a kid.

I wouldn't recommend.

Well, I don't know how to drive.

That's not a good car for me.

No, no.

That's not a good car.

No, it's like it's too much car.

It felt like I had like a huge BBL every time I'm pulling out.

It's too much.

I just like a car that you can control.

That feels like it's in your grasp.

I never want to, I'm under the speed limit by 20 every time people are honking at me.

I just want to just putz around.

Yeah.

So that's.

Do you drive on the highway?

Yeah, but it's real slow.

Okay.

Get 60.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Same when I do.

Yeah.

If I have to.

If I do.

And by the way, I would prefer to be driven.

Yeah, of course.

Always.

Of course.

That's next level success.

Not even driven like by a chauffeur, but like by my husband.

I'm not getting in the car and being like,

I'm like very submissive like that.

I saw a funny video once and it was like a guy being being like, if you're a man and like you're in the car with your wife and she's driving, like, what are you doing?

What are you just like passengering?

If, if, wait, say it again.

Like, why is a man ever driving?

Sorry, why is the woman ever driving when you're with your husband?

Some women like to drive, right?

I guess, but I don't think so.

I don't think anyone likes to drive more than their husband.

I'm not.

And I feel like the more I talk to women, We all hate driving and we're all terrible at it.

I'm also like weirdly scared of it.

Like, it's just like, it feels overwhelming.

Like you want me to drive this like huge thing.

Like, so I'm just not good at some things.

And that's like, I'm just not good at it.

No, you're seriously like making me feel so validated.

I just,

I just really learned how and I'm like comfortable now.

I feel like you'd be great in a Bentley.

I know.

I love my Tesla.

Okay.

I like a Tesla too.

These are adorable.

I've been loving my, like, my Tesla really works for me, but now I have to try out.

You know, you can't sit in the phone in the car when that's charging.

I know.

And we don't.

The EMFs.

I know.

People are like, the EMF's in your Tesla.

I'm like, it's only when it's charging.

We're not in it.

We don't go far enough that we have to supercharge on the road.

Why did your husband charge it to you?

Oh, it charges in my garage overnight.

You know, another thing I don't do?

Not even every day because I don't drive it that much.

Gas.

Well, that's

a gesture.

I do not go to the gas station.

And when I say I do not go to the gas station, I have ran out of gas 15 times this year.

On the road?

15 times on the freeway, on the road, in the bad area.

My assistant has to come bring me gas, ask her 15 times but your husband is responsible for filling it up if because that sounds like he did something

the point of having a husband yeah i can't imagine taking on the burden of a gas guzzling car and having to go to get gas i can't like i said get my nails done like it's i don't want to go to the gas station no i you need electric i can be dominant in my business at home you can get the gas no thank you i don't want to do that You can drive.

Like, I'm good.

Yeah.

I don't want to do the gas.

No, and nor should you.

I don't think I should either.

That is so funny.

Okay.

Well, thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you for your time.

We are so happy for you here at Toast HQ.

Thanks.

And we're excited for everything that you have to come.

Where can everyone follow you and keep up with you?

At Lauren Bostic.

And you guys are crushing it.

It's so amazing to have you guys as a part of the Dear Media family.

We love it so much.

We really do.

It's one of my favorite podcasts by far.

Thank you.

You guys do such a good job.

So thanks for inviting me on.

That means a lot coming from you.

Thank you so much.

And it's crazy that the next time you have to come on our podcast next.

The next time we will have three children.

Yes.

So we'll talk all about that.

And

see how crunchy that made us.

Don't get an escalade.

Don't get an escalade.

Get a Bentley.

Don't fill it up with gas.

Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast.

We will see you on the next one.

Love you.

Bye.