For The Girlies and The Boys with Kevin Clancy: Tuesday, May 27th, 2025

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Good morning, girlies.

It's the toast.

It's Jackson Claude, and we're your host.

It's your favorite show.

The five things you need to know

we'll start your day off swirly it's the toast i sound amazing

welcome back to the toast first day of jacks and friends claudia's on maternity leave i didn't realize i was first

i wanted to tell you

making some toast history let's go we have kfc kevin clancy on the toast.

Welcome to the show.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I did not realize I was the first co-co-host or guest host or whatever.

I'm flattered.

You are the first episode going live because today is Tuesday.

We are on schedule and I've pre-recorded a little bit of things, but like you're the first episode.

We actually have a lot to catch up on because we haven't done the toast since last Friday.

Okay.

So some of the pop culture stuff we're going to do this week are the big stories from the past week.

But of course, a lot has happened in the last week.

Our dear Claudia has given birth and she is doing great.

So I just wanted to update everyone.

I know everyone wants all the updates from her and I'm sure she'll share more when she's ready, but it's just been a really lovely week, a quiet, party week, and we're really happy for Claudia.

Baby Brunson is here, right?

Baby Brunson.

Spoiler alert, the name is the brawn.

That is so funny.

Was there a Knicks game on last night?

I can't keep up.

There's one tonight, so there was one two nights ago.

Okay.

And the Knicks won two nights ago.

Yes.

So now it's two to one.

You're a Knicks fan.

Yes.

What are your teams?

I just...

Knicks, Mets, Jets, and then hockey.

I would be the Islanders.

So you're New York.

I'm a New York guy, and I'm like the loser teams, if you will.

Although things are starting to go in the right direction, but it's been a long 40 years.

The New York teams are the loser teams, especially if you're not rooting for the Yankees.

Yeah, there's a clear divide, but things are getting a little bit better, but it's, we have had to be very, very patient.

Yeah.

Well, I'm very excited for today's episode because, Kevin, I call you KFC to my friends.

Is that fine?

Yeah, yeah.

I get that all the time.

I'm like, it's whatever.

But like, your real friends call you Kevin.

Yes, my real friends call me Kevin, and then they make fun of me.

Like, if they're, if I'm like like, uh, being annoying or whatever, they'll be like, oh, KFC's out today.

And that's when I know to shut the hell up.

Like, all right, you're staging KFC.

Yeah.

So when I first started.

And you're at Barstool.

Can you intro yourself for them?

And I do feel like today's episode is really special because it's for the husbands and wives because you're like Barstool King.

And obviously the toast is for the swirlies.

So this is going to bring couples together.

We're going to be really excited about this duo.

Yes.

I work for Barstool.

I started Barstool, New York.

So it started in Boston with Dave.

And then this is back in 2009.

He wanted to expand into different cities.

The idea was kind of like have satellite cities.

And I was the first one.

They expanded out of Boston.

And so I started the New York branch.

And then I started podcasting at Barstall and all that.

So I've been there for like 15, 15 years.

And yeah,

I came on with Claudia back in like 2017 or 18.

It was a long time ago.

So what I was going to say is you've podcasted with Claudia on our show, but not the toast.

I think it was the breath, right?

So, you haven't been on the toast yet.

So, another piece of her story,

her story,

which is very exciting.

And we have not met, even though you had podcasted with Claudia, and I think she did your show too, like back in the day.

Yes.

So, you and Claudia go way back, but this is our first time meeting and our first time podcasting.

I'm really excited because you do a lot of sports.

Obviously, you work at Barcelona, but you do a lot of pop culture too.

You have a lot of pot tapes.

Yeah, at this point, I mean, I am a like a weirdo sports fan, but I would say my content is more pop culture, comedy, stand-up, all that sort of stuff.

So that was kind of where we made our lane.

But when, you know, the playoffs are on and things really get cooking.

And baseball, I'm a sicko.

It's like the Mets are like some weird issue I have.

I don't know.

It's like ingrained into my DNA.

I think the Mets are cool.

As someone who is a New Yorker originally, like if I had to choose between Mets and Yankees, like I do have more love for the Mets.

Let's go.

And I think they're having like a lot of big moments.

This is like that.

Nobody, would not have said that like, you know, 10 years ago.

Yeah, Pete Alonzo, he's a good friend of Ben's.

He's a mensch.

He's a really good guy.

So I root for him.

They sell Spritz Society at City Field.

Pickle flavor.

Like so tasty.

That's right up your alley.

And speaking of alcohol brands, you have brought me something today, which obviously I can't partake in right now, but it's very exciting.

And I think people are going to be really excited about it.

This is Midnight Bean.

This is, I believe, to be the best pre-bottled, ready-to-drink espresso martini on the market.

Is that your fave espresso martinis?

It is.

So I've been drinking espresso martinis since basically I started working up our stool.

Before they were cool, like the meds?

Yes, basically.

So when I, when I, the, uh, the mother of my kids introduced me to it, and this is back when I was like in my, you know, early 20s, mid-20s, when I was just drinking Bud Lights and like didn't know anything about anything.

And she ordered an espresso martini and I tasted one then.

And ever since then, it's been like my cocktail.

But there was a long period of time where that was like, it was girly and it was lame.

And now it's like all the rage.

I mean, between, I would say, seltzers and espresso martinis have like taken over the alcohol industry the last, you know, few years.

So for the last like, you know, 10 plus years, we had, I had this thing on social media called the Three Bean Gang because you put the three beans in the espresso martinis.

And it would, but it was just like a hashtag.

And it was just anybody, anytime you went out for an espresso martini, people would take pictures and share it with me.

And I use a hashtag and I would repost it.

But I never planned on like having my own.

It was just a thing that was like for people who like these cocktails.

And then it kind of all materialized after that.

So in a way, it really is very organic where it was like, it's not like something I did just to make a buck.

And it materialized over, you know, over a decade.

So I'm really into it.

The people who like followed along are really into it.

And I wouldn't have done it if it didn't taste right and

feel right.

It foams up nice.

Like it really feels like you're drinking what from a bar.

So, how do you make one?

Like, do you need to add anything?

Nothing.

It's all in there ready to pour.

It's got vodka, real vodka in it, and you just pour it and shake it.

That's the beauty of it.

There's no mixing.

Like, it used to be you would go to a bar and like the bartender either, they didn't have an espresso machine or they would roll their eyes, like, I got to make all these ingredients, shake it up.

So, this is kind of like whether you're now you can have them at home.

And also, if you're a bar or a restaurant that serves it, just pour, shake.

Beautiful.

It really is cool.

When I went down to Sazerak Creates, created it, and when I went to their like distillery or whatever, i was pretty skeptical and they like shook one up and poured it out and it was all foamy and like settled almost like a guinness and i was like whoa

and then uh it tasted right it looked right and i really was prepared for it to be like a high-end item i was like this is going to just be like an 80 bottle because it's martinis and they i was like so what's the damage and they said 19.99 and i was like oh my god so it's going to be nationwide uh available at a price point that i think everybody can enjoy it we're kind of at the stage right now where we're just getting it into stores yeah so So

where can people get it?

Can they get it online?

I'm actually not sure.

I don't think it's available online.

But the thing is, it will be every state, every spot has the option to stock it.

We just got to get it there.

So if you go to your local stores or restaurants, just ask for it.

If they don't have it, ask them to please stock it.

And that's available for anybody who wants it.

Midnight Bean.

Yeah.

I'm sure they will love you having a pregnant lady.

That's everyone's favorite.

Yeah.

That's timing, but

when you have yours, we can celebrate.

Yes, exactly.

But we're very happy for you.

And I think the girlies will love that.

Everyone loves this press martini.

I was going to say,

as much as I like my sister.

It's definitely a girly drink.

So I'm like, in a lot of my promotion, a lot of the PR we're doing, it's like the girls are going to love it.

Yeah, it's for the girls.

Unlike being for the boys, which you're for the boys, you say.

That is for the boys.

It's for the everyone.

This episode is for the everyone, which I'm really jazzed about.

So we took off last week and I just want to update everyone because I finally got to watch some television in my life and I watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and I, you watched one episode?

Yes.

I stumbled on an episode the other day.

That is a wild ass show.

That is crazy.

I watch a lot of reality TV.

been watching it for a really long time.

I feel really comfortable saying like, this is the best reality TV we've had in a very long time.

Like the first season was so good.

It was one of our favorite shows of last year.

And then this season is better somehow.

Usually like the sophomore slump, everyone all of a sudden gets a little famous.

They don't want to like risk brand deals and act wrong.

And like everyone wants just to be well liked because it pays to be the favorite.

These girls don't care.

And it just, the tides constantly shift.

It's been so good.

I genuinely entered like a depression when I finish it.

And like, I'm not someone who like gets in the weeds of like

drama.

You know how like there are people who make like videos about like so-and-so unfollowed so-and-so or like left a comment.

Like I usually when I turn off the TV, like the show ends for me.

Like I don't want to know about this stuff.

I just like, i don't really care about the minutia right i couldn't get this one yeah yeah yeah what did

well i'm so the one scene i saw they were at some dinner table and this girl was flat out like i'm the most popular and i should be making the most money and i was like whoa this is like they're just laying it out there you know yeah and like but they all look like cookie cutter to me i'm like wait which one is that she you have she the queen is she the leader who's the what you have to do the work to be able to tell them apart but then you can um no that was one of the best scenes ever when they called her out for like literally her best friend, she was ready to be like, take her salary and have her off the show because she wanted more money.

And she, at first, you're like, oh, you are the fan favorite.

Like, you're a big part of the show.

Maybe you should get paid more than the others.

And then Taylor Frankie Paul slaps her dick on the table and it's like,

you're the fan favorite just because you say things at a dinner that people like.

You haven't shared anything about your life.

Like she puts her whole life on display for the show.

If anybody should get paid more, it's her.

Not only did she get the show for them by being who she is, but so much of the storyline is about her personal life.

Like if you want, if you're in the drama with the girls, like, yeah, it's interesting, but it's low stakes for you.

Like, you're not risking anything.

It's just putting your whole business out there.

But there's so many of them.

There's so many.

So like, and more.

I'm sure it's doing well, but the money situation has got to be pretty precarious because you got to pay.

There's like 12 girls or whatever.

At least it seems that way.

There's, it seems like there's just an endless supply of them.

Yeah.

But it's so interesting to me that that they're like, just the Mormon thing in general, really.

Well, they're all like have different degrees of Mormonism.

Right.

That's what I mean.

There's like levels to it where it's like, but they're all pretty and they're all like pretty materialistic, it seems.

And it's like, so what really is going on here?

Yeah, they're all so different.

They're very different.

Just

couldn't pick two to be the same.

I need like a crossover.

I need them.

So they went on Vanderpump Villa, but I haven't watched that yet.

I haven't seen that yet either, but I've seen clips clips that like Stasi is kind of like doing stasi things again.

Yeah.

I saw somebody say like, we haven't had a good Stasi, like unhinged rant in a while.

Yeah.

She was one of those goats who like, she used to talk about throwing your dick on the table.

That girl, she scares me.

Like, I would never want to be in front of a camera with her.

I'd be like, I don't know what you're capable of, you know?

Yeah.

She's a boss.

No, she really is.

And so she's back.

So they did this Vanderpump Villa crossover that has actually become

the supply for a lot of drama on the Mormon Wives show because apparently like stuff happened in the villa and they're bringing it up.

So it's actually, it's very good synergy.

And I have to watch Vanderpump Villa if I want to know more.

Are you a Vanderpump girl?

Yes.

Oh, I've watched it all.

Did you, what did you think of the Tom Sandoval like rebrand?

Did you watch Traders?

I didn't watch Traders.

So he, like, you know, almost everybody in the world hates him.

Yeah.

And then, I don't know if it was the edit or just the way he handled himself, but he was kind of this like dumb, endearing guy on the Traders, where I feel like he like turned, turned it around a little bit.

That's good.

Like I'm,

I don't hate him like so aggressively anymore.

And I feel like I'm special because I didn't like him even before Scandoval.

So it's like I saw right through him.

So I can go back to those like low levels of dislike.

Yeah.

But no one should like live in that forever, you know, and we can't have those like strong feelings about him forever.

Like he lost, like he did something really awful.

He lost literally everything.

Yeah.

Now let him live.

Right.

Right.

Well, I think sometimes people forget that that it's like,

it's a, it's reality, but it's also like a TV show and it's a business and it's an industry.

And like, I don't know, it gets a little bit, like you said, like turning it off and just kind of leaving it there.

Yeah.

Not many people do that.

You know, no, then they're in the comments and then they're like outside the restaurant picketing.

Yeah.

At some point, it's like, yeah, go home is a good answer.

Yeah.

Just put on the next one.

Just go to the Mormons.

Go to the, you know, you don't need to fixate on that.

So, yeah.

But it was interesting to see, like, that would have been someone that I was kind of like, I don't don't know if there's any coming back.

And I think he kind of came back.

Okay, that's good.

I'm like sort of happy for him.

But Vanderpump, as we know it is over because they're recasting that show.

Have you been watching?

So they, I feel like Scandival, like, they had their moment.

Yeah.

And I feel like they tried to kind of reboot it or Scandival gave them an extra two seasons, but I think this would have happened two years ago, if not for Scandinaval.

Right.

It kind of ran its course.

It did.

And that I think.

I think they all kind of have a natural life cycle where once you get famous enough and rich enough, I think Summerhouse is kind of going through that a little bit.

Well, I think now we're going through this inflection point.

Yes, I was just talking about this yesterday with my guest for tomorrow, which I don't want to spoil, but of like people growing out of reality shows because the formula doesn't work anymore.

You're not just drinking like you want to get married and have children and like you have to not do that.

Especially for the girls, yeah.

Yeah, especially for the girls.

So, but these are like tested, tried and true reality stars.

We shouldn't let them go.

Like they're great television as opposed to them trying to find new people who we don't might not like and probably don't because they're very poor, bad at casting.

I think you need, I I think you need both though.

Like I think Summerhouse really worked well as an example when it was just like they were regular people like doing the Tamptons back and forth commute that like so many people in here in the summer do.

Right.

But then you get famous and it's like, well, all right, so it can't be that anymore.

Right.

You don't want to let go.

And like you said, so you almost need to like.

But I feel like the valley has really solved this problem a little bit of like the aging reality stars who like we still love and we want to see, but just because like you have a baby or something doesn't mean that like you can't do it anymore, but not in the way that you were.

So, I think people are saying, like, Lindsey Hubbard should go to Real Houses of New York.

That doesn't really excite me, but I think a valley-like show in the city that's like, yeah,

people in their 30s, young couples, why can't you?

Well, so, do you feel like I wonder from like a female point of view, like

when I started getting older and having kids and just settling down like as a dad,

like my content, if you will, went from like stories about partying and going to the Hamptons and summer houses and all these things that are like kind of inherently interesting or a little bit like gossipy and salacious to being like, I'm a dad.

I go home, I play with my kids.

Right.

True.

So, but then there's a whole new audience that's like, I want to hear about like your house renovation.

Like, what aisle are you using in your bathroom?

And like, what activities are you taking your kids to?

So there is that world, but it's not as easy to be like, captivating, I feel like, you know, yeah.

But if you can find a, you know, a new crop of like young people to that, that's hopefully kind of what we did at barstools, like there was backfilling in a way.

It's like, if you want the young party stuff, you go here.

If you want like the coming, I've always tried to like age appropriately.

Yeah.

I feel like that's hard in reality TV, though, when the ratings are high and the money's big.

You know, when like you drive up anymore, but you kind of have to.

That's a good point.

But I do feel like that's why the valley is good because they're still, they have kids.

They're still the most dramatic people I've ever seen.

Like they have all these fights.

Well, they're all divorcing and they're fighting with each other.

So I don't feel like they're just like boring married people.

But yeah, I guess we should stay away from the boring married people.

Yeah, I just also, I mean, I find like, I feel like being married in some of these shows is probably very difficult.

Yeah.

Like you really don't have a normal life.

Like marriage and kids are tough enough as it is.

Right.

And then you throw in cameras and money and producers and, you know, and like bad faith actors.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

People like the people who want to come in who just want to be famous.

Yeah.

Producers.

Even like my experience when we did it, we've done like reality competitions at Barstall and the producers, like God bless them, they work really hard and they're all like a part of the Barstall family, but there are definitely times where they're like, get out there and like say this or do that.

And I'm like, yo, man, like relax.

You're trying to ruin my life here.

Like for some YouTube views, chill out.

So I can only imagine when it's like bravo, like we're talking big time ratings.

And like, they're like, go out there and pick that fight or sleep with that person or whatever, you know?

So, yeah.

And when you have like a castmate who will do anything to be on the show, and they'll say anything, semi, anything untrue and like that throws, like that's just

that level of chaos.

Is it reality or is it entertainment?

Cause then, right, you know, no, it's tech.

And then I look at shows like, did you, I didn't watch the show, but I think everybody saw the clips of Temptation Island and with Montoya.

Yeah, I saw the clips.

Like,

I remember like being like four weeks into that saga where it's like, she's fucking another.

Can I cry?

Yeah, of course.

And like, and I remember on my show, me and my, my co-host John was like, these two should just break up.

Like, what are we doing here?

Why are you even in this relationship?

Sometimes I think that a lot about the reality couples where I'm like, you, this is not, just break up.

No, I know.

But then when they don't, I'm like, this is the strongest.

This must be, even though I'm seeing them like being the worst couple ever, I'm like, well, they must be incredibly strong.

There must be something.

There must be something there.

Yeah.

They love hard, fight hard, all that sort of shit.

The good times are so good and we just happen to miss them.

But that's where, like, like with the season of Summerhouse, uh jesse and um lexi lexi i'm like you guys have known each other for 25 seconds like this it cannot be worth all this drama no no no by the end it wasn't worth all the drama but i'm like am i the only one i really saw like the initial love there was a spark there was a spark i'm sorry like there was a spark that's where like regular people would be like where we had like a summer fling in the hamptons and for them it's like cameras and you know drama and sucking on toes and all sorts of shit no totally do you talk to a lot of reality stars on your show and stuff?

Like, or do you meet them all because they call them through the office?

Yeah, Chicks in the Office is like their kind of, their lane is the, the reality stuff.

Um, I definitely have my, I don't even call them guilty pleasures.

They're just my pleasures.

Yeah.

Like, I love it.

I'm, I don't give a shit about that.

I'm like, whatever.

Like, to me, it's all very entertaining.

No, it's like still mainstream now.

Like, if you're not watching Summerhouse, you're, yeah, you're not like, what are you doing on Wednesday night?

Um, so we've had a couple on, but they're the, the, the girls really, that's like their, their lane.

Um,

I feel like I know more of them.

Like they don't really have them on the show, but I just kind of connect through social media and whatnot, which is even weirder because I'm like, I've never met you before, but you know, I mean, just like we were.

It's like, I've never met you, but you start to be friends.

I know you're right.

I know you're pregnant.

I know your life.

I know your family.

I'm like, it's kind of that weird world.

Yeah, no, totally.

Even though I'm like, yeah, I know KFC.

We never met.

Right.

I mean, at this point, like, some of my best friends are like internet people.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

It's like I have my real friends and then my internet friends, but I feel like they all, I know them like just as well.

Yeah.

Do you do a lot of interviews on your show or just yeah, we uh we this so my show's been around for so long.

We started in 2012.

We were kind of ahead of the curve and we really hit our stride.

Our peak was kind of that like golden era when comics were really starting to blow up.

So it was like right before every comic had their own podcast and five Netflix specials.

Right.

And so the world was kind of getting to meet these people for the first time, like Chris DeSefano, Burke Reischer, Tom Segura, Andrew Schultz, all these people who are now our, you know, Nate Bargatzi.

Nate Pargatzi was my first interview.

We were each other's first interview ever.

Oh, cool.

And now he's making, you know, $100 million a year, like mega successful.

But in that little window, we're like, now if you want to hear those guys, you just go to their podcast, you know?

Yeah.

But in the beginning, it was kind of like

our show was one of the few that was really interviewing those guys.

So we had like a really good run then.

And then once that died down a little bit, I go back and forth.

It's like, I think our, our audience wants to hear me and John talk.

You know, what's so funny.

Like, for Claudia and I would say the exact same thing as what you said, like, there was a peak and time where, like, we were interviewing, like, everyone, and it was so we were having fun.

And then, yeah, everyone got podcasts.

Everyone's doing everything.

I would say it was COVID.

COVID kind of changed it because it's like every celebrity is sitting on Zoom wanting to do a podcast.

And it's like, when you can have anyone and everyone is going on every show with that, that did change things.

You're right.

It's not so interesting.

But then also.

And then we got to a place where like we don't want to do Zoom interviews.

Yeah.

So we're waiting for people to be back.

Zoom was like cool in the beginning because it was like, oh, these people are saying yes now that you probably never could have gotten.

And then it was like just endless interviews of stepping on each other's toes and delays.

And people, we interviewed,

we interviewed someone.

They put their laptop on the other side of the room.

They were like this big on the screen.

And I was just fed up with that.

I was like, I can't do this anymore.

And then also we reached the point where I just noticed that like every interview was like cookie cutter, generic questions, generic answers.

And I was like, I hate this.

No, I used to be like, come do a podcast.

Yeah, like, and not so much an interview, but like a a conversation.

Like, it's not like we're going to hit all these questions.

This was like, where did you start?

It's like, yeah, yeah.

And then, like, it's just a back and forth.

Right.

The art of podcasting.

Yes.

That's kind of, and, and, and then I was like done with that.

I was like, I'd rather just do.

I also myself, like, once I started listening to podcasts, I really didn't listen to them for the first several years.

I was doing

probably a bad idea.

I probably should have known the market a little better.

But I feel like everybody who has a successful podcast says that.

They're like, I don't listen to podcasts.

Right.

I started to recently.

I don't listen to them.

I just do them.

I also have just consumed them like through clips at this point.

It's very

interesting.

But I,

every time I'm, I put on one of my shows, if there's a guest, I'm like, ugh, I don't want to, I want to hear my, like, the people.

Right, right.

So I'm like, I'm hoping that's what people feel about me and John, you know?

So, um, so right for the plan, you know, we'll have people in here and there, but for the most part, it's, it's just us doing our thing.

And then Jackie and Pavs are like our producer/slash co-hosts as well.

So we have this little family that's

a little forceome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's good.

Yeah.

I think we're the same way as well.

But then it's fun to get to do interviews once in a while.

And obviously for Jackson Friends Week, I'm sitting down with my friends and we're going to do some pop culture.

So I think without further ado,

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So the first story is something that's been developing for the last week, like kind of bombshell news, because we had reported on the toast that Justin Baldoni was subpoenaing Taylor Swift for text messages that allegedly Blake sent to Taylor threatening Taylor to publicly take her side in the legal feud of Baldoni v Lively.

I love this one.

This saga is good for business.

Yeah, this saga is good for business, but I do find, and I want to know your high level take on the situation before we get into the weeds of this story.

I do find it very hard to keep up with.

Like something will happen that feels like the biggest deal.

And it's like, then the next day is, oh, they said that's not true.

And it's being dismissed.

And then something small will happen.

And I miss how it's like.

And also, they're not starting the trial until 2026.

So it's like, why are we even talking about this now?

We got a long time to go.

Right.

So I've just sort of been like sitting tight.

And I don't pick, if I picked updates every day, we would literally talk about this every day.

And people don't really love Claudia and I'll take on it.

Mostly Claudia is because she's still Team Blake.

Oh my God.

What are you?

So I was Team Blake until a couple months ago.

And like, I was a hard team Blake, especially last summer when it felt like she was being canceled by him and his like male feminism.

And I'm like, yucky.

That's my high-level take, first of all, is that this, this is

all the worst people in the world like they are the worst i

justin beldoni's like male feminist shit is the biggest grift and the phoniest act and if anybody falls for that

they are idiotic like he is so blatant and transparent but

and so it's hard for me to take the side of a guy like that But I'm pretty firmly in his camp where it's like, I think Blake Lively has been even more insufferable.

Right.

So I do agree that like, even though I'm not like obsessed with him and this doesn't change how I feel about him and I still wouldn't be like a fan, I don't want to listen to his podcast.

Like, I do think when you get into the weeds here, like

he did less wrong than her.

And I think when that New York Times article came out of like what of her side, you know, it came out like over Christmas and it was like, oh my God, the tide, the pendulum totally swung in her direction.

It was like so good for her.

And then so quickly it all unraveled.

There's also a difference between like, if you're going to sling mud and it's like a he said, she said of like gossip is one thing but when you get hit with like a sexual harassment like assault charge or accusation at least that's a whole different game yeah it's like okay we can talk about who was like a diva on set or unprofessional but like now you're saying that i assaulted you or something that's a whole you better have like real proof on that because that's like a life ruiner career ruiner if it's true and things got so bad for him after that article like of course he's gonna stop at nothing to get his good name back right so i think now in hindsight they should, even though things were bad for Blake Lively last summer and she was going through like a period of unpopularity and like, you know, I think that was better than what's happening now.

And because I, because even someone like me last summer, I was like, you know what?

Even if she's a diva, I don't care.

Like, that's not a crime.

Like, now we know what

the last.

Beautiful woman in the world who's married to Ryan Reynolds and has a perfect license.

Is super like down to her normal.

But that's also why I can't believe that her and Ryan Reynolds, because he now became like part of this.

Like whatever is at stake is not worth this.

Yeah.

Like, I know that, I feel like the underlying thing was actually them trying to take the rights to the movie.

And then so they could make this scene.

And I'm sure that is wildly profitable and there's a lot of money on the line, but like it is not worth this.

You have no kids.

You have Taylor Swift.

You have like literal subpoenas.

It's just like, you guys are rich and successful.

Just let this die or go or pull the plug and be like, all right, never mind.

And like you egg on your face, but just go back to your awesome life.

Yeah.

And like, just leave us sort of like in the dust of confusion.

And I think

Marvel and I think, yeah, all that.

It's like, and I think the whole industry, like, nobody wants to touch this with a 10-foot pole.

Like, I think that the movie, and people forget that it was a movie based on like the most popular book of the last five years.

Like, it should have been nominated for that golden globe of like box office movies and like the Oscars of like success.

It was so successful.

And like, I didn't watch the movie.

I did read the book.

But I have, I, I, do you watch the movie?

No, I, I have not watched or read the book.

Uh,

I, I feel like

that issue almost got like skirted because of the celebrity drama.

But I feel like at least everything I learned about it was that Colleen Hoover and Blake Liley, like the way they approached that and made it into like this rom-com

thing.

Yeah.

Like, I really don't like Justin Baldoni's grift, but the fact that he was like working with the women's shelters and the foundations and all that felt like he was taking that topic more seriously than, like, grab your flowers and go with your girlies.

And I was like, this is about abuse.

You know, it was a very strange.

Correct.

But I will disagree with you on just that point.

Cause something that made the book really good is like, you're reading the book and you think it's a Colleen Hoover love story.

Like, and the domestic violence, like, kind of is so surprising and also confusing at first that you have to, like, you sort of go through this journey like the main character does of like, wait, what was that?

Like, was that an accident?

Like, and I understood why they didn't want to promote the movie as like like being about domestic violence because it's not like a spoiler, but it does take away from the experience of like

watching it unfold, watching it unfold, which contributed to like how it's not so cut and dry at first.

Like something happens and it could have been an accident.

And then it's just like, it's gray.

And then it's not.

So I understood why the,

they wanted it to not be all about that because the book like.

isn't really like that.

So that was something that she did that, and the studio had said, like, we don't want you to promote it as a movie.

So when she did it, that didn't bother me but i understand how it looks right and especially when one guy is going like right so far the other direction but that was like him just i think being like the worst yes right yes but still not a sexual harasser perhaps right it's also one of those things like if you do a good thing for the wrong reason it's like was he really like i think he brought a bunch of uh survivors and victims to the premiere and like donated and that's all very good things i think he's doing it for as part of his gift but is it if you make those people happy

yeah So, but then that all kind of falls by the wayside once you go into the, I mean, the drama of the website and the text messages.

And I was reading like 150 pages of text messages.

I was like, what am I doing right now?

No, I know.

It got so dramatic.

And I just, I just feel like, and Ryan Reynolds kind of gets pulled in and he goes kind of from like the golden boy to like everyone kind of

sus.

He

is such a one-treater.

I used to always think he was sus.

And then when this actually all started to happen and I never was like obsessed with her, like I never really thought about her, but then I felt really defensive of them.

I'm like, this is a nice couple.

Like they, they don't deserve this.

Like no one does.

Right.

And now I'm back on the sus chain.

I mean, like, it's almost a shame that Baldoni is such a slimy dude.

Cause if he was just like a good person, I think it would be like open and shut where it's just you guys are being horrible to this guy.

But

I mean, and then the Taylor Swift wrinkle is like

the most dramatic of all.

That's the latest.

So last week, and we had shared that he had subpoenaed Taylor Swift.

He heard that she had these like threatening messages from Blake's team saying like, you need to come out and publicly support me or else I'll like show these messages that you sent.

Did you, before we do this, did you believe like there was that news cycle of like Taylor wants her out?

Like she's no longer friends.

The dragon comments on her.

Right.

For a long time, like, no, because I feel like everything.

That they say about her that's like conjecture is just wrong.

I even saw a headline today that's like, Taylor Swift seemingly celebrates Justin Baldwin because she went out to dinner.

So she had dinner and so she's celebrating someone's legal win aggressive.

I mean the dots that we can connect her.

I mean people just make up stories.

People just make up fan fiction.

It really is.

Just making things up.

But like Blake is the godmother or Taylor's the godmother of Blake's children.

Taylor writes songs about her children.

Like I think that that's a friendship that's harder to break than just like someone who's causing an inconvenience and getting bad press.

Here's also what I, I mean, I don't know too much about her songs.

I know that she's had the kids like names in the songs and also like their voices.

Gorgeous.

Oh, so you know what?

Yeah, yeah.

But I don't know about that.

But

making Taylor Swift, making anybody the godmother of your kids three times, I think is a little weird.

Like, I almost feel like that's a one-way thing.

Oh.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

She wants Taylor Swift to be the godmother.

Again, I'm making fan fiction here.

I don't know, but it just feels like in doing it myself, it's kind of like, you do like your sister and then her brother.

And it's like, I think you want Taylor Swift to be the the godmother of your kids and she did it like a bunch and wants that'd be like i could say i want taylor swift to be the godmother of my kids all of a sudden we're so close

to say no you know what i mean call up you want to be the godmother of your kids uh we've already done this twice i don't want to no you just keep you know so part of me almost feels like that was it was like a clout yes i think she's very you wouldn't you wouldn't think like lively is looking for a clout but when you're talking about attaching yourself to that one like yeah that's the most clout of all so i i mean i really i don't know anything about their relationship other than like they went to a football game once together and the godmother stuff but

i would be if it was me and you're calling me dragon and like talking about that and using me and like you're a shit, I'd be like, I don't like that, you know?

Yeah.

My thought was like they were so, such good friends.

This was just like my feeling, like, such best friends, like a sisterhood almost that like, there's nothing that that person could do that would surprise you.

So, like, when

like I would ride for any of my friends, even if they're are objectively wrong, but like, I would think that they're right because that's my friend.

Like, I like we think the same, we do the same.

So, like, to drop like a lifelong friend, cause it, it just doesn't feel congruous with like true friendship.

Right.

So maybe to your point, they weren't as good a friend.

But I do think she was like Taylor's strongest celebrity friend.

Like, you know, she has Abigail.

She's figured that way.

Yeah.

Like she was always like, she's been around the longest him forever and so much so that their families are like intertwined.

So that was what was surprising to me.

But I guess maybe the friendship just wasn't what we thought it was.

I also think you reached a point with a girl like Taylor Swift who like disappeared for a couple of years, went through hell, the scooter brawn stuff, and then you come back and you've, you know, made it basically like beat everybody, beat Kanye, beat Scooter, all that.

And then all of a sudden there's like this chance that this movie and this guy and all this shit might tear you down or you get involved in a lawsuit or whatever.

I would be very quick to be like, keep me, though.

I want to be excluded from this narrative.

Like, I'm not risking it for all this.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But I think if it was like a better friendship.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like for like a sisterhood.

And we'll find out if then you're just moral compass is like, I wouldn't drop my friend because of what people are saying especially if you believe right

and she's at the level where she can do what she wants this won't ruin her reputation like even if she's like in the muck with them I think people also can see through that they're sort of using her name to like every time her name's in the

case like we're talking about it so I just feel like it's not like her celebrity status is so precarious that like she has to be like oh I can't have a life of scandal you know there are people out there there's the Candace Owens of the world who like you know latched on kind of like looking for an angle to tear down

I don't think it will happen, but if there was even a chance or I had to go through that or whatever, I don't think this, I'd be like, well, yeah, I agree with that.

But anyway, so the T this morning is that apparently the insider, and then last week, Justin Baldoni's team like rescinded their subpoena of Taylor.

Yeah.

So, okay.

Then Page 6 is reporting this morning that the insider who leaked Blake Lively's alleged threat to release Taylor's private text has been revealed.

And they're saying it's her father, Scott Swift.

He reportedly

drama.

I didn't see that one.

I thought it was going to be like some publicist.

I was like, this is spelly here.

Yeah, yeah.

But no, he reportedly went to Justin Balnone's team with the bombshell claim that Blake Lively threatened to leak his daughter's texts if the pop star did not publicly support her in the ongoing feud with her It Ends With Us co-star.

The Daily, an insider alleged to the Daily Mail on Friday that Scott Swift did not want his daughter to be dragged into this any further, and he voluntarily gave up this information as part of a deal that would include Justin's team withdrawing their subpoena for Taylor.

Well, looks like that happened.

Girl, dad, let's go.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm sure there's a world where, like, Scott is his name?

Scott Swift should probably just stay out of her business.

She's a multi-billion dollar enterprise, whatever.

But, like, I'm, if I, if that was me, if that's my daughter, and like, I know that that's going on.

And I think, like, he works on her team.

So, like, he's not just like a dad who's sticking his nose where it shouldn't be.

Yeah.

I have no problem with him riding like that and just being like, I'm not letting you get my girl like that.

No, I kind of like it too.

Yeah.

like

I'm sure Taylor and Tree Pain and everybody doesn't want like the family out there, but I think there's like they should almost lean into this in a way and be like, Yeah, like daddy's little girl is not going to be like exploited, extorted, none of that shit.

No, and like if it was tree, then it goes sort of back to like this manipulative PR narrative of like, you know, she's like pulling the puppet strings, her and Taylor.

But when it's just a dad protecting his daughter,

it's just like you're love.

Yeah.

I mean, I also

is it it like the lawyers or was it Blake Lively?

You know, was it like Blake Lively's lawyer talking to Taylor Swift or Taylor Swift lawyers saying, I do need you to publicly support me?

Because that's also, it's being characterized as like Blake Lively texted Taylor.

If you don't publicly support me, you know, that's very different than lawyers doing what lawyers do, trying to like win the case, you know?

But also like

going through lawyers is kind of even

more escalated.

Like,

because it just has a threat.

Like when you want to tell your friend something, you just like text them.

And even if you come up like a crazy, like you said, a rage test, like that's how friends,

friends.

Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't have my lawyer tell my friend's lawyer that my friend needs to do something.

Right.

Right.

That's where I feel like if that's the road this has gone down, either there wasn't that close of a friendship or if there was, it's, it's gone now.

Yeah.

You're doing lawyers like that.

And your dad is out here like defending you.

I love that.

I think that's awesome.

I think it's really cute.

And I, I mean, it's, it's, I think Belldoni's lawyer, what's his name, Brian Steele, I think is very smart.

Oh, you know, the lawyer.

Yeah.

He's gorgeous.

I'm there.

I'm.

You're a hint.

Yes.

I'm very happy to be here because I'm like, I can talk about all these things.

I don't know what my show cares about.

But like, I think he is,

I think it's very smart to pose this at least as like,

we don't want to bother Taylor.

You know what I mean?

Like, we got what we need.

You don't need to be involved.

And then it's almost like she's on your side, if you will.

Like, I think he's been playing it very, very smart so far.

Yeah.

And it looks that way as long as nothing worse happens.

Every time someone does something right, it like gets totally like swings back

the other way.

So, when I saw like what was supposed to be like a bombshell clip of Baldoni, like this was when the cameras were rolling, and it was like, I don't know, that looks like a kissing scene in a movie.

Like, none of the smoking guns were really smoking guns.

No, yeah,

I totally agree.

Those clips just made me never want to watch another movie.

Like, it was like, you're slimy and smart.

Like, you're both married and you're kissing each other.

And, like, even when the cameras are separable and you're still holding each other.

Do you think there's any of that going on?

That they're like, they were in.

Well, that could have been some people say like that's how it started shit a crash on him i really don't think it's that juvenile yeah i think it was more so about stealing the second movie but no i feel like you like hold that like actors are just weird and seeing those clips like just made me realize that even more so it's just a weird it's all an action it's it's it's reality show you know what i mean it's like yeah all just for for appearances and attention and all that but i also when i talk about it people are you know a lot of the guys traditionally are like who cares about this gossip and like i get it but also we are talking about if you like movies and you like Hollywood and it's like this was kind of like a hostile takeover of a movie and book series like that's interesting to me yeah that this is all rooted in business and money and and like you know trying to take the rights I think there's something whether you're you know yeah Hollywood gossip it's like this is business yeah I agree high level it's very interesting in the weeds every single day

not not my favorite right but we go like we're probably once a week around here little update um next story was some big news from last week that we absolutely have to talk talk about because Justin Bieber, like, is what, I mean, the overall question is always what's going on with him, but especially so, because Haley Bieber was on the cover of Vogue.

She had a beautiful Vogue spread.

She did some hysterical videos with Vogue.

Just like such a beautiful moment for her in general, for any woman.

She talks about her postpartum experience, pregnancy.

It was just an amazing interview.

I'm sure you saw the videos of her with like the tincture and like just overall, like couldn't have a negative thing to say about it until her husband chimed in with the world's weirdest Instagram caption.

I would call it.

That's not a great one.

Not a great one.

So Justin Bieber posted the cover to his Instagram,

pretty much recounting a memory of a fight that they had.

And he had said, hold on, let me get the quote here.

He said, yo, this reminds me.

Yo, yo, is like almost the worst part.

I haven't read it out loud yet.

It's going to be, it's going to be painful.

Yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight.

I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue.

Yikes, I know.

So mean.

He recalled saying the insult because he felt so disrespected and thought, I got to get even.

He said, I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even.

We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection.

So, baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover because clearly I was sadly mistaken.

So after a few hours of being dragged for this, he changed the caption to a bunch of emojis, but

the stench remains.

I'm going to stand up for Beebs a little bit on this one.

Okay, I love that.

Almost a devil's advocate.

I love devil's advocate.

I love Katrina and not.

Yeah, like, because there's really no defending this one, but

I think this is just another, like, he put his foot in his mouth as, like, a dumb husband who, like, thought that

he was owning up to something.

Like, and it probably was a fight, and she was right.

And he's thinking, I'm going to publicly, like, own this.

And, and it just, you know, did not come across that way at all.

Yeah.

Whether the words, the timing, whatever.

I would hope, maybe I'm hoping that.

Because if it is just like a, okay, she has all the attention.

How do I take it away?

Then he, that really is shitty.

But I think it was more of like a, I thought, I mean, guys are dumb a lot of times.

Like the EQ of a lot of guys is very low.

I don't think it's as like sinister.

And sinister as like, she can't be about her.

It's about me.

I think he thought he was like saying something good about himself and something good about her yeah like but it just did not come off that way at all public if he had said in the past you're never why ever that would be public but and then he just said like posted his his former headline and was like i was wrong right but to expose it people didn't know this and then you expose it and then ruin the moment

and like in the first moment of the cover like if he just posted the cover was like proud of my girl and then like later I don't know, on a podcast or whatever.

I was like, you know what?

We once actually.

Interesting little tidbit.

That's like a little more understandable.

I feel like people do that and they're like, you know, sort of telling on themselves, but it was a learning moment.

Right.

And she did.

You do it on Dax Shepard's show.

Yeah.

Where you're like exposing your marital problems.

But like in that, that moment should just be congratulations, baby.

Right.

You know, right.

Then it was really bad.

And I also think like her.

Right.

You know what?

At one time, Justin told me, and then you, you know what I mean?

Like, but to, uh,

I do think that was probably like once he saw the reaction he was probably like oh my god like i'm an idiot not like a well i hope i don't know maybe i'm giving too much credit the context of his recent behavior it's worse if if he was just coming off solid as a rock and he slipped up with this uh

ill-timed post it would like i'm a forgetting person and i am and even here i feel as though i'm giving grace at the moment um but just like in the context of everything else that he's been doing in the last few weeks and acting and looking and being.

But doesn't that, I almost feel like more sympathetic.

Yeah.

Like he's not in a good spot.

I think he's not.

Enough for me where there's smoke, there's fire.

Like I don't believe that he's broke, but I think there might be financial troubles.

I don't know what.

what the truth is with the diddy stuff but there's enough even just those headlines yeah if if if something happened then it's like yeah you are a victim and i'm sure you've been your life is very tough but even just like having the headlines if they're untrue you're like how do i handle this and like none of it seems healthy i'm sure his entire life has not been healthy yeah being in the spotlight since you're like 12.

i give that guy a lot of grace because i know he's been kind of an idiot and he's done like dumb juvenile shit but i don't think it's as easy for dustin bieber as people would imagine like oh you're a pop star and you're handsome and you know i think he's gone through some dark shit like yeah that's either the like literally the worst thing that can happen to you or at the very least exploited and all that sort of stuff you know yeah so in that case it's almost like oh i think you're not in your right mind and you're not thinking straight at all.

And that might explain why that post was so tone deaf and stupid.

Yeah.

I think he's not in his right mind at the moment, but I feel like in the last few years, like he was more in his right mind.

Like, if, and there was a time when he was like really acting out.

And then he sort of went away and he like, and then he got married and he has a baby.

And it's like,

again,

why now?

Perhaps stiddy, perhaps financial issues.

I don't know.

None of it's good, though.

Yeah.

Like, if, again, if it's true, you're in a real bad spot.

And if it's not, it's like, do I deny this?

Do I, you know, it's one of those things.

Do I acknowledge the rumors?

I don't know what to do in those spots.

You know, there's really no right answer anymore.

I agree.

Well, I think that's very generous.

But I'm sure he was in the doghouse.

I'm sure she was like, what the fuck is, yeah, you're right.

I think he lives there.

I think every day.

I've always said that the doghouse is not a place that most guys go

back and forth.

It's just how big is your doghouse?

Do you have enough room to like spin around and like sit over here and sit over there?

Or is it just like one doghouse that you're permanently stuck in?

Yeah.

That's how big is it today?

Do I have a little bit of wiggle room or am I totally fucked?

That's the doghouse.

Our next story, I would say, is also good for your business because Jordan Hudson continues to fuel engagement rumors with Bill Belichick by sporting a ring on her left ring finger.

So what are your thoughts on Jordan and Patriots?

Jordan.

Jordan Hudson is, this is, so I'm a Jets fan from the football point of view.

The Jets fans.

I do want the football point of view here.

So, like, we hate Bill Belichick.

We hate him.

Like, as a Jets, Jets and the Jets and the Patriots are in the same division, right?

So, that means you play, like, to get to the playoffs, you have to win your division.

The Patriots won the division a billion years in a row.

Bill Belichick, at one point, was supposed to be the Jets head coach.

He resigned by writing on a piece of piece on a napkin.

I resigned as head coach of the New York Jets and just like handed it over.

It's a lot of history between the Jets and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and the Patriots.

So, and he's won.

Like, there was no, it wasn't a rivalry.

He just kicked our ass forever.

Right.

So, I hated this guy.

And he was this, like, football Darth Vader, like, right.

Like, nothing but football.

So, this is like, when I tell you that from a football fan point of view,

this might be the most shocking thing to ever happen.

Like, I'm not exaggerating.

Like, in no world did anybody ever predict that Bill Belichick would have a 24-year-old girlfriend who's like a Disney princess villain running his life and like causing this scene.

Like, I would have told you anything else is possible than this.

So as a Jets fan, watching his legacy, you know, a little bit like fall apart is very satisfying.

As like a guy, as a man who I'm like watching this dude who had this amazing sports life and now it's kind of being ruined by whatever this is, I'm like, what are you fucking doing?

Yeah.

It is.

I can't even put into words how insane.

Do you feel bad for him or you couldn't?

So, you know, it's funny when I, my first thought was like, this is going to appear to be like old creepy man.

Yes.

And it did, like, ruining young ladies.

I feel like it flipped.

It's young lady.

Abandonage of an old sick man.

Yeah.

Like, that I didn't see coming just because, you know, the way the world is and the way the optics would look.

You'd think, oh,

yeah, he's just buying and she has to sleep with him.

Like, after shit.

That's sick as stuff.

But yeah, you know, the good old, like, tried and true devils this time.

Exactly.

But then, like, there was one headline.

I I don't remember which one it was, but it was like, all of a sudden, it flipped to Bill is trapped.

And she's like.

It was the interview.

Yeah, that was really what set it off.

But she legit looks like Ursula when she becomes the human.

I actually

watch that.

She steals the voice.

She looks exactly like that.

Like, kind of the big, crazy eyes and the brunette.

And, like,

I think this girl is

nefarious.

I think she is like, you know what I mean?

This is just like a, you guys don't understand our love.

It's like you're acquiring millions of dollars of real estate.

Yeah.

You're COO of a company that doesn't exist.

Right.

She did it before with another rich old guy.

You know,

there was a moment where people were kind of treating her.

Some people were like, she's like a girl boss.

Like, and I was like, dude, she's 24.

I'm, I don't, like, maybe you're smart and successful, but you still don't know like anything about anything yet.

And you're acting like you know everything about football and media and all this shit that it's like, relax, you know yeah i would agree with that question for you that we couldn't get to the bottom of on the show why is he coaching college football now at unc so he he kind of like split from the patriots in a very he said she said like they say we fired you he says no we left on you know whatever terms um

so once you know he's he's like dominated the the pro level he's won every super bowl there is to win and i feel like it was kind of it's almost like a a, um,

you're easing into retirement.

You know what I mean?

Like, yeah, college is a lot less pressure.

Like you go up the mountain and then back down.

Yeah, rather than just like retiring all the way, like I don't have anything in my life.

Yeah.

It's and UNC.

It's not like you went to like, like if you went to Alabama, Alabama is like a really pressure-packed have to win every year.

Yeah.

UNC is just thrilled to have a football legend coach.

There's only upside.

Right.

So I think they were like, sure, let's get Bill Belichick.

Now all of a sudden, it's like his 24-year-old girlfriend is coaching the team.

And they're probably like, what the fuck is going on?

Oh, my God.

Well, is that like a normal thing for coaches to like then go coach college?

Oh, oh, oh, that, um, not to have their girlfriends.

There's enough making that there's a couple coaches that like

go both ways.

Like, I dominated in college, now I want to try my hand at the pros.

Usually, those guys go to the pros and like flame out because when you have grown men, they're making millions of dollars, they don't just like worship the ground you walk on, it's hard to coach, you know?

Yeah, going the other direction is like I went from Tom Brady to like this 18-year-old kid who just is going to do whatever I say, you know what I mean?

Yeah, so in that sense, I think it does make make sense.

But

everything feels weird to me now.

What once was just like, oh, yeah, he's just going to coach like a student.

It's like a hobby.

Right.

But now I'm like, was she involved in this?

Yeah.

Or, you know, did you want to retire, but like she made you take a job or you needed something to stay in the media?

I don't know.

I just have like my tinfoil hat on with everything because this is so weird.

Yeah.

That it felt strange to begin with.

And now I'm like, there might be even more than what we see.

Yeah.

His family is, they must be so pissed.

Like, where are his kids?

There's, I think, they're, there's, he's locked them out.

His daughter-in-law spoke out like on an Instagram comment and was like, this is bullshit.

But, like, the actual, I don't think the actual Belichick kids have said anything.

Um, I heard that she ran into his ex-wife and they had words.

I saw that.

Um,

I don't know.

I go back and forth too, though.

I'm a very big fan of like let people live their life and do.

He's like a grown man.

He doesn't seem like he has like cognitive issues.

If you want

to make millions of dollars, you want to give a few million to this girl.

I don't know.

It seems weird, but if he's happy, she's happy.

Everything's as long as it's all consensual and safe, like then leave them alone.

It looks weird, but not the first and not the last.

But then there's a part of me that's like, I don't know, we got to draw a line somewhere.

And we can say that it's like, it's weird, you know, we could just say that.

And also, her, she keeps portraying herself as like this, I'm his, I'm not his girlfriend, I am his girlfriend, but I'm just

counter that with, then you're doing a bad fucking job.

Right.

Because all the talk, if you were to analyze another celebrity with a pr person

it would be like if everyone's talking about your pr person that's not good right talking about you and and the job and no

trending negative now so so that's not good yeah you're not hitting the targets right so either you're bad at your job or you're kind of lying about your job one or the other as far as her with an engagement ring like whether or not they're engaged if they get married i don't think it really matters like they're together

as long as they're together they're together the the initial report was she has told at least one person.

I don't think Jordan Hudson is the type to

do that quietly.

I think if she gets the ring and they're getting married, it's going to be a Justin Bieber post.

Yeah.

Or maybe it's like she wants to be engaged to him.

So she's like kind of putting it out into the world, like, we're engaged.

Here's a ring on my finger.

So much to the point that like people already think they're engaged.

And it's like, oh, so why don't you engage with it?

Yeah.

He's like, whatever.

He's going to walk down the aisle in a cutoff hoodie.

And what's with the holes in the shirt?

That's just what he's always done.

He's always been like a very, like, he literally wears hoodies with cutoff sleeves and holes on the sideline.

Doesn't do like social media or any of that stuff.

That's why it's so crazy when he's on Instagram doing like yoga poses on the beach.

She's dressed like a mermaid.

It's like,

crazy.

I can't even, I was trying to think of like a, of an analogy of like, this would be like if Taylor's, I can't even think of something.

It's so unbelievably far-fetched, but that's hysterical.

Okay, well, thank you for that context.

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Our next story, some happy couple news.

Demi Lovato got married this weekend inside her pure magic wedding to husband Jordan Jutes Loots at an ocean front of state.

Okay, I guess his name is Jordan Lutz and people call him Jutes.

And I like that.

It's cute.

That I like a little

contra.

What are they called?

I know what you mean.

You know, like that commercial, like, um,

I think it was like an orbit commercial where it's like they just do that with worth.

Yeah.

Who do you think is the first couple?

Do you think Brangelina was the first one?

Oh, that's a good question.

They were a month.

They thought the first.

They were the best.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's always fun to have a couple name.

Yeah.

So Jutes and now Dutes, I guess.

Demi and Lutz got married in a romantic wedding on Sunday as first reported by Vogue.

So it was a Vogue wedding.

Took place in Santa Barbara.

Pictures are in Vogue and also some aerial photos, paparazzi photos of the wedding.

Very beautiful, very traditional.

It's not celebrity.

It was just kind of like standard.

Well, yes, it was like very like standard like girly getting married, but also Demi has been very

alternative alternative for much of how we've known her think that she would be like like rocker black wedding dress like but no she's like going all out i you know in a chookie like fashion which i love what do you

i i feel like i i can i obviously get involved in all this gossip reality stuff but where i kind of like check out is i don't like a wedding does not do it for me where i feel like the girls go like bonkers for like i want to see the dress i want to see the flowers i want to see the pictures whatever yeah when I see someone else's wedding.

Yes.

So typically I agree.

Like I don't, I'm not like looking really for more.

I'm just like, okay, she's a married woman now.

And it's actually interesting the style choice that she made just because she's been so unconventional for a very long time.

So that's the interesting part here.

In general, I'm not like picking apart people's weddings, but every once in a while, a wedding comes along that just changes the whole industry.

So I would say like the last wedding and we could relate on this would be Olivia Copo and Christian McCaffrey.

That's like the last great wedding.

Because of the like the look, the aesthetic of it?

The aesthetic, the location, the celebr, the couple, the people who came, the two of them, they come from like both celebrities, but a little bit different.

And then her dress was weirdly controversial.

It was literally the most traditional conservative dress you've ever saw.

So like that, that one, something like that, I love.

And then before that was like Sophia Ritchie Grange, like she set the bar high for a bride.

So every once in a while,

like a wedding comes along that I'm like, my ears perk up.

But typically, no, I'm not like gooped and gagged for someone else's wedding unless I happen to be engaged at a moment.

Yeah, right, right.

I just feel like it, it's a,

there's a divide there with guys and girls.

Oh, for sure.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, I can get involved in a lot of the gossipy stuff, but there's never going to be a world where like me and the guys are like, did you see Demi's dress?

Did you see Olivia Carple's wedding?

Right.

Well, actually, I think we have a question about that at Dear Toasters.

I wanted to get your opinion because it has to do with a couple planning a wedding.

But our fifth and final story, just some fun news is that Alex Earl is joining Dancing with the Stars season 34.

So the whole cast hasn't been announced yet, but Alex Earl is joining Robert Irwin, who is

Steve Irwin's son.

I believe he's on the cast and she's on the cast and we'll await who else is on it.

But she's doing Dancing with the Stars, which I actually feel like is surprising.

I think it's a big get for Dancing with the Stars.

It is a big get for Dancing with the Stars.

And I feel like Dancing with the Stars is like one of those things.

A lot of people like look down their nose nose on it and would never do.

And it's like a mark of like

just

bad has been B-level reality star type thing.

But I feel like there are people, myself included, who are like, if I get famous, I want to go on Dancing with the Stars.

Like it's a dream.

Yeah.

And I feel like for her, it's like that.

And I think for her, doing like more traditional television is like what she wants to do.

She just hosted, presented at the AMAs last night.

So proud of us for getting through this episode without mentioning the AMAs.

No one else, yeah.

Like seriously, so irrelevant.

I actually turned on the beginning and thankfully I got distracted and I could only watch J-Lo's opening performance.

She's just kissing a bunch of people.

She's just kissing a bunch of people and like dancing her ass off.

Like for what?

Like why is she working so hard?

That was crazy.

I didn't even, I guess I was like, Jennifer Lopez is like,

that was.

It was crazy that she's hosting.

Yeah.

Is she performing?

Like, no, she's hosting?

Or why is she hosting?

None of it makes sense.

In service of what?

Like, I feel like it's to sell tickets for her next tour, her resin, whatever she has next, like to show, like, J-Lo's still got it.

She can dance.

She can sing.

I got a message received.

received like yeah we know like understood she's a she's a tough one she's she's got price i know but i just feel like no one can tell her anything yeah if she wants to do something she's gonna do it yes a hundred percent um so i do see like this trend with alex earl where like she's obviously conquered the internet getting on tv it's like even though she's more interesting and has more influence than the whole network like it's a different beat it is funny you always want like what you you know what i mean yeah there are if you're conquering traditional media you're like, I would kill to be a TikTok star.

And when you're a TikTok star, you're like, let me go and dance with the stars.

I think Dance With the Stars is like, I understand that because they, I think they went through a lull where there was probably a lot of like

rejects or yeah, like has-bensbins is a good word.

But I also then think they've been around for like probably 35 seasons now, and it becomes a little bit of a nostalgia thing.

And like, if you do get a couple big names,

it's it's still like an institution, you know?

And I think, but I think this is a like Alex Earl does not need to do like anything she doesn't want to do.

So she, that means she wants to do this and she's excited to do it.

That's big for them.

I agree.

And then also when you think about it, like, you know, she'll be on ABC once a week, eight o'clock.

Like that's going to open her up to more people that don't know her.

The exact people who don't know her, which is not that many people at this point, but there's.

But the people who don't, it's all

going to get 10 million viewers or whatever.

Like all 10 million are meeting Alex Earl.

So when you, when you've conquered like a whole sect of the world, basically, You got to go to these like alternative, you know, spots to get more, you know, another demo.

Yeah.

And that's what I think is going on here.

It's just almost backwards in a way, you know?

Yeah.

Like at some point, you know, you probably always want to be cutting edge and cool, but eventually you're like, if I've done all that, I got to go get like the moms in the Midwest.

Here I go.

Dancing with the stars.

I think she'll be great.

She went on GMA and was talking about how she danced in high school.

She, she has like a dance background.

She's not dancing illiterate, but she's obviously not like a professional, which is also like an issue.

It's a good spot to be, though.

It is.

Cause also, when you're a professional, people hate on you because it's like, what are you here?

You're meant to be an amateur.

Right.

But if you're amateur who's good, you're like right on that line.

Then you go, you advance.

And if you have a lot of fans, you get the fan vote and then you get a decent score.

And that's how you win dancing with the stars.

And this also makes me feel like she is trying to be like

maybe like a host of Goodborn America or something like that.

Like, I want to be like a traditional.

Yeah.

I'm not just going to be the internet podcaster, especially like, I don't want the caller daddy, maybe like reputation, whatever.

Right.

Right, right.

She feels like I'm trying to be like in every home in America.

Right.

And I think it's a good strategy.

And we've said like her and her family, I feel like they're going to have a reality show and they're ripe for it.

They'll be great for it.

So what ended up happening?

Like there was that, you know, rift with Alex and then she let her go, right?

Was that like so I think from what I understand?

No, definitely not amicable.

I think Lick's L I X Earl wanted to leave the network.

And then by the time they got around to making the arrangements where like she was leaving, then Unwell put out a statement, We've dropped her.

And they said, dropped.

Like, that's, and that she's like the biggest show on the network.

Like, obviously, wasn't dropped.

So that's where I think it was like getting contentious.

But if they had parted more amicably, maybe there would be like a way back to a friendship or whatever.

But that was a burned bridge.

And any whispers about it at the barstool office?

Um, it was there was like Dave joked about hiring her because when Grace left barstool, Alex signed her.

So he made an identical TikTok to what Alex made, Alex Cooper made about signing Grace.

I think that like people, a lot of people missed the joking part of that.

I thought it was real too.

There's no reason like Dave can do all this shit, you know?

No, and even though I probably, I think I saw the one that like Alex made with Grace, it never, it didn't compute.

Like this is just a.

I mean, I texted him being like, are you signing her?

And he was like, I don't think anyone in the world can afford that girl.

Like, she doesn't need to be on the network, but I definitely thought it was real.

I think I thought it was real, too.

Yeah, I forgot.

there's so much lore between Unwell and Barstow.

I was just thinking about the Call Her Daddy stuff, but then also the Grace stuff.

Yeah.

I mean, so Alex came to, Alex Cooper came to the Barstall office like a year ago, and she was filming her documentary that I think is like on the verge of coming out.

And it was very like, you know, Alex has gone on to become this like superstar, but never really.

Like, she's been, kind about Dave and Barstall, but it was not like she was like, I came from Barstall or, you know, Barcelo proud.

Right.

And when she came back in, it was like, with the cameras and everything, it was very like, I'm home.

I'm back.

And I think a lot of people were like, uh, you never even like talked to me when you were here, you know?

But I ended up, I don't know if it's going to make it at all, but I did like, they interviewed me for the documentary.

And

they were, they were kind of going an angle, like, almost like a feminist angle where it was hard for her to be like a girl at Barcelona, right?

And I was like, no, like, not at all.

Like, she clearly thrived.

Like nothing was hard.

You know what I mean?

And they were like, but it was different.

And, you know, they were hammering that.

So I'm a little bit nervous if that comes out, like how that's going to, you know, appear.

But,

but that was.

Did you talk to the other women at Barstool?

No.

Like, Fran and Maria?

No, I don't know if they were in there.

You could talk about being a girl.

I was going to say, yeah, why don't you talk to me?

Go talk to the girls, you know?

Like, in addition to.

Right.

But I was just more like,

I never thought Alex was going to be, I don't think anybody did, probably aside from Alex.

I think she was going to be like the level that she was at.

And when she first came in, it was kind of like she was,

you know, ruffling some feathers and it was a little bit like dramatic.

And I was like, I don't know if this is going to work.

And boy, was I fucking wrong.

It worked.

Yeah.

So that was more what I was saying in my interview was like.

Before the show started, like before the show started to take off.

Yeah, yeah.

Like early on, it was just like, you know.

Like a raunchy sex podcast.

Yeah, which is fine.

Like, I mean, I kind of had one of those for a while, but like it was, it was more like she just came in and was like, I don't give a fuck.

And, and there was kind of a hierarchy and she didn't give a shit about that.

And that's how you end up being, like, super successful.

Yeah.

But at the time, it was kind of like, whoa, what's what's going on here?

And, like, I don't know, is this going to work?

Why aren't you like, you know, they were very kind of separate.

And it was just like, eventually it was like, oh, you're so successful.

You can do that.

But in the beginning, it was a little like.

But until you're so successful, you can't do that.

Yes.

Yeah.

But it went quick.

And then it's just like jealousy and, you know, territories and shit like that where people.

Yeah.

Where it's like, why aren't you guys?

I remember watching their vlogs and they would like not go into the office, and it was so funny, right?

But I'm sure if you're working at barstone from nine to five, it's like, wait, what about us?

Yeah, it was a lot of that for sure.

It was kind of like,

hey, let's all be friends, like, come on the show.

And it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Like, like,

getting in the culture.

Like, other people do that, but they didn't, they didn't, and they didn't have to.

Did they ask about Sophia at all?

Like, is she in this conversation at all

when they

for the documentary?

Um, or is she

no?

I don't think they, I think they're just pretending that never happened.

Man,

what a bag fumble that was.

Jesus.

That was the craziest time.

And the fact that it was all over

that guy, the HBO boyfriend.

Suitman.

Suitman is unfortunately for

two girls and specifically one girl, Alex, that were like bucking the trend and like.

you know, everything that was about like men and women dynamics, they threw out the window.

And then it all came down to a boyfriend.

you know what I mean?

At least for Sophia, where it was like, you're listening to this guy, you know what I mean?

It was almost like sad that it ended up resorting to that, yeah.

Like, she should have just been like,

fuck this guy, let's, you know what I mean?

Like, let's just do it, like, me and you hash it out, but it was a guy, right, right, right, right.

Between the two of them,

not about the negotiations in general, because, like, they had a case, like, their show was like the biggest, like, it was just an anomaly that happened.

That is the eternal push-pull.

Right, like, you get all this, and but you're giving up this, and you just have to like wait out.

It works like it's kind of 50-50.

And, you know, if you're like Dave and Barstall, you'll always claim we were the reason you blew up.

And if you're Alex and Sophia, you would be like, well, without us, there'd be nothing to blow up.

Right.

But it's like, it's just the perfect when it hits.

It really is.

Yeah.

And then you outgrow it and you move on.

But you have to stop there with that.

Yes.

How do you feel when like athletes want to renegotiate their contracts before that they're up and they want more money if they're playing well?

That's kind of the same thing.

But do you think that they should wait or that they should get more money in the middle?

It really depends on like you run the risk of like injury.

And if you're really, really good and you're healthy and you're like, I would just bide my time and then when I'm a free agent, like sign the most money I can.

What usually happens is if you sign early, you give up.

some years later.

So it's like, right now I'm making $500,000 a year.

I could sign a contract where I make $4 million a year.

That's great.

But that $4 million is also going to run into a few years where I could be making like 35.

Right.

So you think they should wait.

You think it's better for them to wait, but say they're someone who doesn't want to wait.

Like, what do you think management should do?

I think it's always good to

keep good talent and lock them up if you can.

Like Caller Daddy.

Yeah.

Well, you know what?

But what's very interesting with Caller Daddy and pretty much every show at Barstool, because we've done a couple like in-house ones.

We've done some like celebrities who kind of come in as like mercenaries.

You reach a point where

no matter how big you are, you can't justify like certain salaries.

Yeah.

You know, and especially for like when we were owned by Penn Entertainment, it was like a casino conglomerate.

They were in growth mode.

They were like, we don't care about necessarily turning a profit.

We just want to be bigger, more talent, more whatever.

If that's the case, then like, let's

now Dave owns the company again.

It's like his money.

It's his bottom line.

And it's like, you are a monster.

But if I pay you $10 million a year, there's not enough ad reads and sponsorships and shit to make that money back.

Right?

It's just impossible.

It's just math.

And you might be a loss leader and it might help the business other here, but eventually it reaches a point where it's like, go because we'll try to find the next one of you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is not easy, but we've done

it.

Yeah, you guys have done a great job.

Big fan.

Thanks.

I'm very, the toast is one of the shows that really is always in like every

girl I ever speak to is always like,

you know, it's it's we have a pretty uh my show specifically, I would say is probably, I think everybody thinks parcel is all men, you know?

Yeah.

And I think our show is probably like 60, 40, like 65, 35.

Like we have a lot of females.

So like there's a lot of overlap because when we see them at live shows or we like interact with them, it's always, I'm like, who else do you guys listen to and like?

And it's like without a doubt, 100% the toast over there.

The Elk of Toasters.

No, I totally agree.

That's why I think like everyone on earth is going to love this episode.

Hopefully, wouldn't.

Especially because we're doing deer toasters.

So dear toasters is our weekly advice segment.

And if we ever skip it, like seriously, people riot in the streets because they live for deer toasters.

So I tried to pick some that we could really use the male perspective on.

And let's get into them.

Sure.

First up, I've been dating my PJOM boyfriend.

That means precious gem of a man.

So when they say PJOM boyfriend, is that a toast thing?

That's a toast thing.

And just know that like he's a great guy, like mensch and just like

the relationship might be worth saving because he's otherwise a good guy.

But obviously, there's a problem if she's writing him.

For four years, they've been dating, and we've been long distance for the past two.

We are about to move across the country and live together for the first time.

I love him a lot, and there have been zero red flags to date.

That is until last weekend.

While visiting him, I needed to borrow some socks.

And as I was reaching for a pair, I instead grabbed my own worn undies.

I immediately pulled them out and saw there were several more pairs.

Should I confront him about this?

What should I say?

Sincerely, a toaster who has been looking for her favorite pair of seamless skims for months.

And this episode is brought to you by Skims, which is hysterical.

That is funny.

So he's been like stealing her undies.

What do you do?

These are the things that when you start to cohabitate, you find some weird shit about people, right?

I suppose we got to go a step further and be like, what are you doing with said underwear?

It might be something that he's into.

And so it's on the one hand, like, it's theft.

Like you're taking my undies.

They're like nice, pricey undies, at least take like the ones with holes.

And on the other hand, like it's the secrecy, because like if this is your partner for four years, even if they're into something that's like a little off the beaten path, like you should know about that.

Yeah, but I also think that I think you can be in like a

good, healthy relationship and still be

have like secrets, private things.

Not secrets makes it sound bad, but like

I'm a little nervous to tell you about this or like it's a kink or something that I'm like a little bit ashamed of or embarrassed about.

And it's, it's still hard for people to say those things, even if you think that they should, like, the goal is that they share those things.

It might take time.

Yeah.

Well,

if it involves other people's belongings and their intimate underwear, then you think it's a function of the long distance relationship.

Like maybe this was how he was feeling close to you, like in times of separation.

They have moved in or

they are about to move.

in together again after two years of doing long distance.

Got it.

So she was there though.

And so he's been like swiping these while visiting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that could be it.

Right.

And the problem solves itself when you move in together.

But now do you want to move in with a panty snatcher?

Yeah.

And also, do you want to start off on like a lie or a secret or whatever?

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

And the big question is, like, do you talk to him about it?

Like, do you mention that you saw it?

And these are all things that you should, you should be very honest.

And you should, he should tell her, I have like a fetish or whatever, and this is what I'm doing she should be like hey I found these but these are all hard things to do when you know you're a little bit afraid of like contro confrontation or whatever it may be I think this is one that like

maybe you like leave it out on top of the dresser and he kind of gets the point of like oh she saw yeah it's on me and then say something yes yeah yes or I don't know I mean I think probably the absolute best thing in this spot is to confront him in a very like

understanding way.

Gentleman.

Yeah, which is probably a little bit hard when you want to be like, what the fuck are you doing with my underwear?

Right, right.

But if you're just like, hey, I noticed this thing,

it's a little bit unconventional, but like, if this is something you're into or you did it to connect with me, whatever.

I mean, that is probably a super hard thing to do, but I would.

It is a hard thing to do.

I'm just thinking if I had some like dark, not dark, but just like deep, like secret kink fetish something like you wouldn't want someone to approach you with it like hostile at least and and if but and if someone approached me with it in like a understanding way like if she if she said something like

hey do you want me to like do you want me to like give you a pair every week i don't know what it would be but if it was something like that and i would be like oh my god you like you're down or like you're you're cool right i would probably be like now i'm even more in love with you right right right right but like what about what if she's not down and she's not cool yeah then

we probably run into some maybe there's compromise.

Maybe it's like, okay, maybe not dirty undies, but like

clean undies.

Yeah, it's like we're gonna have to buy a whole lot more underwear, bro.

These will be like the donated pairs.

These are the ones I actually wear.

How about next time I clean out my closet?

Like you have the ones that I was

spring cleaning or switching seasons.

Compromise.

Because there's probably some world where she was like, you know, I got to go to a wedding.

I need to wear this like form-fitting dress.

I need like this.

Where the fuck is this one pair of fucking underwear?

Especially he's stealing the skims.

So like that is maddening if you're like looking for the ones that won't have panty lines.

Right.

I got to go get new ones and promo code toast or whatever.

I don't know.

He's kind of gaslighting her.

You know, like looking for, no, I'm kidding.

I would, I don't use that word.

Gaslighting means I don't use that word in earnest.

That word has gotten so

banned from the human language.

What did people say before that?

You were tricking me.

Tricking me like a motherfucker.

You were tricking me.

Oh my God.

True.

There really is nothing worse than like an actual gaslighting.

So when people throw it around for like, no, we just disagree on a topic or something, whatever, you know what I mean?

Like you got caught doing something, whatever it may be.

For the people who are actually being gaslit, they're probably like, they're feeling gaslit by the face gaslighting is gaslighting me.

Right.

Yeah.

But yeah, that's a tough one.

I would say that any, like,

I'm assuming there's some sort of sexual thing behind this, you know?

Yes.

And that's always a little embarrassing, but if you're going to really be together forever, I'm hoping it's a sexual thing behind this and not a.

I I don't know what else it would be.

The long distance thing does add a wrinkle where

it adds like some plausible.

What are you like, sleeping with them at night?

Like get a scent?

I don't know.

It's weird.

What do you think about long distance?

I don't have strong opinions on it.

I think it depends like how old, like what stage in your life.

Can you afford to, I feel like everything takes four times as long long distance.

Do you have that sort of time

or not?

I feel like it's not traditional, but if you're on like the same page, it can probably be really like you have, you both have your careers, you both have your free time.

It's almost like kind of the extreme other end, but I feel like sometimes when people live together, they lose their individuality and all that stuff.

Yeah, it's nice to like miss each other, but I do think it's not entirely real life all the time.

Like you don't know what it's like to be with this person all the time and like hit that threshold of like, okay, now I hate you.

And like, how am I going to work through that?

It's like, I ran around calling you a PGOM and now it turns out you steal my underwear.

Right.

Like, I feel like when you're with someone for three days, it's always only good.

You're not going to have a fight.

But like, like, you do need to have a fight at some point and like see how you guys get through that.

I agree.

But like, do you?

Well, it depends on what your goals are.

Like, and I think that's a good thing.

You want to have kids, you want to like be around all the time.

But if there's a world where it's like, let's have three, every three, like these three days that are awesome.

And then where everyone else starts fighting, we like go to our separate corners and, you know,

country.

Well, two things.

One, I feel like if you are a person with like goal, like you have dreams for your life, like you guys need to have a plan.

Like there's an end in sight.

Okay.

In two years, he gets this promotion and he can move back here.

I'm going to leave my job and move there.

And that's when I want to have, like, you need to have an end in sight.

It can't just like go on forever.

Like, yeah.

But then it also reminds me a lot of Paige and Craig.

I feel like they had exactly what you just described.

It's like three perfect days, four hustle days,

we only ever like each other.

We're traveling so much.

He's coming to New York.

And it's in a fun way.

Like, and he likes coming here.

She doesn't like going there.

Oops.

Like, theoretically, if you didn't want to have kids and a family and you both had careers, you could do that forever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's not traditional, but it's like but if if both of you don't want to have families yes it can't be like one is secretly wishing for that which is kind of i think what happened with right i'm a big page de sorbo fan yeah what about craig don't say a bad word to me um i don't know him as much watch southern charm i've seen it but i know they're not in yeah so uh they they definitely are painting him away on bravo on summer house watch summer house you only that looks shitty i've seen like i've seen andy cohen like interviews with him where he's kind of like she said this and did that i'm like oh there's a little more one side or two sides to it.

Yeah.

I really, not to be annoying, I really see both sides of how this went south.

Like I see it from her side and I see it from his side.

And it's just to me sad.

I was going to say, but that's also, that's a couple I remember saying when I was watching it, I was like, you guys are just not meant to be together.

Yeah.

Or at least not right now, but whatever it is, like sometimes your career blew up, you maybe you're insecure, whatever is going on with him, but like, it's just not.

It's going to work out.

Not meant to be.

No.

And like, especially when you're wanting different things at this current junction, like he's ready to be done with this.

It's like tomorrow.

And she's like, I just started my tour.

Yeah.

No, it's not happening anytime soon.

And like, so for that reason, I do.

Which is tough, though, when you break up for like not like, it's not like we fell out of love or attracted or whatever.

It's just like a business thing.

And then that business probably will change.

And then it's like,

I don't know.

It's hard to get.

with a new person when it's like, I know that you broke up with your last person really out of circumstances.

Yeah.

Not out of like.

Not out of lack of love, but I do think now they hate each other.

Yes.

now it seems like that's there's no love lost.

Yeah, yeah.

They're not pining over one another.

No.

So people can move on.

Oh, yeah.

And he already has like a girlfriend, I think.

A new bidder.

Which is, I mean, that's what he wants.

Like, he literally just wants partnership.

I was going to say, he's probably going to find a like a southern girl who does want kids.

And like, yeah, and then you're good to go.

Right.

Yeah.

But yeah, that definitely reminds me of that.

Our last, is this the last?

Oh, no, that was only one.

Oh, my gosh.

We're moving so slow.

Like, this is the world's longest episode.

Next.

Hi, Jax and Turt.

Cross out, KFC.

So my fiancé is driving me nuts with wedding planning.

When we started the whole thing, I asked how involved he wanted to be, and he said he knows I'll do a great job and he trusts me, which is like the normal thing to say.

But every time I tell him a plan that's been made for some of the wall options,

but every time I tell him a plan that's been made, he has some.

off-the-wall opinions.

He is a sweet man who is just excited for our wedding, but how the heck do I shut down these cringy suggestions without making him feel like I don't care about what he wants?

P.S.

I love you both.

That's tough because I feel like there's probably a world where there's a lot of girls who would almost wish that their partner was like as involved as this guy wants to be, but it's like only if you have good opinions and good taste.

Yeah.

I don't even know who would wish their partner more involved.

Yeah.

You want it.

Yeah.

You want like free reign because unless if they're going to agree with you, like thanks point like

I was going to do it anyway.

And if they're just going to disagree with you, like it's just more conflicted.

Weddings are already like so full of contrast.

I do not think that the guy should

You have a strong opinion about a couple things.

Like, I remember in my wedding, my husband had a couple strong opinions about stuff of things that, like, he wanted.

And it's like, okay, let's definitely do those.

Cause, like, sure, why not?

You want fireworks in our first dance or like sparklers or whatever.

Well, like, it's not important to me, but like, it's not a

tip away.

Yeah.

So, like, I think every guy should get like the couple things, but I don't think guys should have that many things.

Like, why do they?

Why would a guy care so much about specific things?

I mean, I'm with you, but like, but I guess if you do, it also comes down to money.

I was gonna say, who's paying?

Who's cutting the check, you know?

Yeah.

I think it's probably best.

I think the best

of both worlds.

I mean, listen, if you are a guy who's into that stuff,

I think you have a right to be involved.

But you probably should know that about like somebody.

Yeah.

And also, the worst is when people are acting like, I don't care, babe, do whatever.

You're my princess.

And then they come and they're like, oh, I don't like this, that, this, and that.

And it's like, well, am I your princess?

But I also think there's probably a lot of times where guys like go nuts and they don't realize what nuts.

I think wedding culture has gotten like insane.

I agree.

So I think when it's like

such a perpetual, like I had a big wedding.

Sure.

It gets carried away.

It's the industry.

They make you get carried away.

I mean, they literally just add a zero to everything.

Every girl who's fits engaged is like, I want to have a small wedding.

Like, I would elope.

I really don't care about my wedding.

Like, winds up having a huge wedding.

There's no getting in the fit.

You feel like, you know, you're cheap or having a shitty wedding if you don't.

And like, it just spots, you know, I have to keep up with the Joneses.

And then we're all just yeah, now we're all having showers and weddings and events that were like this is crazy, but how did this happen?

How did this happen?

It's like, okay, no, I'm having a wedding, like I do need flowers on the table.

So that's where like I don't think a guy even understands until they go through it when you're like, do whatever you want for the invitations.

And they're like, the invitations are how much?

Right.

Like, well, I didn't know that.

Well, do you think that's what I'm saying?

Get whatever flowers you want.

I didn't know it was going to be $10,000 with the flowers.

Do you think it's just about money or like do whatever you want with the invitations?

And she designs an invitation that he has critiques on.

I think it's pretty rare if a guy like really cares.

I think it's more it's money and also maybe like perception of how like if you don't want to have a big wedding and all of a sudden you're having a big one, you kind of feel like, I don't know, a little gaudy or whatever.

Yeah.

It's pretty rare that a guy would be like, that calligraphy is not right.

Or whatever, you know?

Yeah, yeah, that five.

I think it needs to be like a, you go nuts and I have like five things.

I want this food, this drink, band or DJ.

Like those things are big deals.

Yeah.

And then the rest is like, you should just let her do her thing.

Yeah.

You won't even notice that.

Budget, so the money's not, you know what I mean?

Yeah, and go nuts, yeah.

And also, but if you're if the girl's paying, right, then you should fuck up.

Like, even people who have unlimited budget, like, still fight about their weddings.

Like, look at Brooklyn and Nicola and their families.

Who's that?

The Beckhams.

Oh, Peltz Beckham.

The biggest wedding.

And like, the whole families were fighting the whole time.

So it's not just about money.

I was going to say it's.

Yeah, money doesn't cure like family-in-law dynamics and all that sort of shit.

No, No, it's it's really I just it's a very difficult process.

It really, but it's so silly because it's just a big party and it causes money stress and family stress.

And it's like,

if it doesn't go smoothly, it's like, boy, we're getting off on the wrong fucking foot here.

Starting this marriage off in a bad spot.

Do you want to get married again?

Is that too

you do?

Yeah.

That's nice.

Were you involved in your wedding planning when you got married?

Um,

yeah.

Um,

do you have any like, what were you precious about?

I wanted a band.

I like a band.

Yeah.

As far as like the decorations and stuff, like that didn't bother me at all.

Right.

I just wanted to be like a good party.

So like good music.

I'm open.

Good drinks.

All that sort of stuff.

But like as far as the look and the decorations and all that, I was like all good.

But

that's like money and inviting families.

It did, you know, it was very stressful.

It was like more stressful than I wanted it to be.

I think it's really stressful for everyone.

And then I also think people are like, is this too?

Is it really bad?

Like, are we in a bad spot?

Well, you know what?

But I feel like people need to normalize the fact that, like, it's a miserable experience.

If you're having a hard time,

let's normalize this thing.

That totally fucking sucks.

Normalize, not that it's like, it would be nice if it went well, but like, if you're having a miserable experience, like, just know you're not alone.

And like, you're not, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're not like the exception.

Like, most people are having that.

Right.

I do think you also run into, at least I did, like, once the

glitz and glamour has worn off a little bit and you're now like, we need to buy a house.

And it's like, boy, I wish we had that like $120,000.

We have to buy a house.

Yeah, it's like, we could just have the house, but we had a one-night party.

That was a little bit, you know, that's a tough one to swallow.

Someone needs to do something about it.

Like, we all

just band together and be like, we are not

paying.

Yeah.

We're not going to.

It's also so regional, too, though.

Like, I feel like the Northeast is is like, like, when I hear about bars, weddings that aren't open bar, I'm like, what?

That's cool.

But there are, you know, you go like down south, they're like, yeah, you pay for your drinks.

What are you talking about?

It's like,

or yeah, like, you don't have like centerpieces and flowers and all that.

It's like, so you think we're crazier here?

Oh, my God.

Yes.

And like gifts and shit.

Like, like you go to other places in the country, you get like a physical toaster.

Yeah.

Give me money because I got to pay for this fucking thing.

Also, it's hard like in the city because you get a room, right?

And now you have to outfit.

You have nothing to work with.

Like you have to do everything.

The chairs, the covers, the

south, when there's better weather, you're on the in California, like you have the surroundings to work with.

A lot of places here, like you don't have surroundings, especially if you're getting married, like in the winter, like we're just in a room.

Right.

And now you got to dress it up.

It is such a process, man.

It's.

It's not easy, but you're right.

You're not alone if you're out there doing it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Last one.

And then like we have to get on with our lives, I guess.

Like we have to end this episode at some point.

Hi, Jackson, KFC.

I'm 26 weeks pregnant, ozotope.

And my husband, who is usually a PJOM, has been less romantic and loving towards me.

I asked him about it, and he said he feels weird being intimate while thinking of our baby in my stomach.

And also, that some of my pregnancy symptoms, like being gassy, achy, etc., are quote, unattractive.

He said that?

He quote, unattractive.

Obviously, I am very hurt, as if being pregnant hasn't made me feel unattractive enough as it is.

How can I possibly forgive him and move past this?

Thank you for your help and daily laughs.

Damn.

That's a tough one.

I know, but remember, he's a PJOM.

This is where, like, I,

I, uh, I think, you know, honesty is the best policy and communication is everything, especially having, like, you know, been divorced.

I'm, like, I, you know, could have done better in that department and, and it would have been, you know, more successful.

But there are some things, little white lies.

You got,

you can't be telling her you're unattractive.

No, that's really so crazy.

It's like, and also, listen, there's some, there's some level of, we all know that.

Like, as a, as a woman, you're not feeling your sexiest, your best.

You know it.

You know, it's not attracted to be bloated and gassy.

We just don't need to say it, you know?

Right.

It's like, we all say you're glowing for a reason because we gotta, like, we all gotta get through this.

It makes you wonder what kind of person would say this.

Like, an incredibly stupid person, an incredibly mean person.

You do say he's a P jom, so I am gonna go stupid.

Yeah, well, it's almost like the Bieber thing.

It's like you just put your foot in your fucking mouth.

Yeah.

An idiot.

It sounds like there might be some deeper attraction issues, though.

Like, I wonder what their sex life was previously.

Like,

what can you do now?

Like, she's pregnant.

That is a hard.

And you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube.

Like, no.

And so we're going to work through it.

And we're going to.

We're going to, if it were me, like the girly advice that we would give and what Claudia and I would give is like, he needs to be reamed a new asshole.

Yeah.

He needs to understand myself.

And he's probably going to have to just like grovel for the next lifetime.

Doghouse.

By the way, it's also like tough as a guy when it's like you're bloated and gassy and big.

It's like, that's us all the time.

It's like we're hairy, out of shape, fat, bloated, and gassy forever.

That's what you sign up for.

And they deal with that all the time.

Like, this is temporary.

What's your yeah, I will be hot soon.

You will never be hot, bro.

I think get mean.

Get mean.

Like, just treat him like,

seriously.

This is why it's, it might be over.

No, I just need to there's a big split up with co-parent now.

Find harmony.

i'm i want to find harmony that's probably one of those things it's like for the rest of your life she will just drop comments like remember that time when i was pregnant and you said that i was unattractive and you have to like but you know what else isn't good not to give this guy any credit but when like a man is treating you differently because he feels some sort of way and you're like you feel like you can feel that he's like being distant and like doesn't want to be lovey with you and it's like they won't say what's bothering them.

Now, he should have come up with something better.

And also, he shouldn't be feeling that way.

He should find you carrying his his child to be the most beautiful thing in the world um but at least he's not gaslighting you into thinking thinking it's in your head yeah i mean there is like some level of i i you girls always want everybody always wants honesty right it's like here it is that's why i've said like you got to have some little white lies but it's like but i only think a twisted individual wouldn't find his pregnant life just so beautiful yeah but there's also a difference between like i you know i i i love that what you're doing for a family versus like

traditionally what's like sexy and hot in the moment is not really i just think like an involved mature man like that is sexy and hot

that's huge

yeah real convincing

you're beautiful just tell them to fuck up listen to the toast and like just dog house like i don't know what to tell you that's really that's unfortunate that would make me really upset honestly that's a hard one to get through that's probably going to be a lot of like forgiveness and uh you're allowed to be upset though like you don't have to get over it yeah that's not going to just be like that's my advice

just be mad.

Get mad and get even.

Really, yeah, really good.

Like, you guys are all to a hot start with parenting.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

No, Steph is going to be great.

You're going to be an amazing mom.

And he'll learn.

They're slow, but men learn.

You do have to give a little bit of grace.

This one's particularly bad, but like.

I would say most times it's coming from a place of dumb and not malicious.

Like 99% of the time.

And

even more dumb than you can realize because it's like

it's really rare that a guy is like gonna think through like

all of the ramifications for what he's gonna say or do where it's like i i don't know in the moment i was just trying to be honest or i was just trying to make you happy or whatever it is and and there's just not that second third fourth fifth step of thinking like i agree with you so i hope that makes you feel better he's not mean he's just dumb Thank you so much, KFC.

Where can everyone follow you, listen to your show if they want more KFC, if they want more espresso martinis?

Yes.

Yes.

Everything.

I'm on

everything kfc barstool uh actually i just changed tiktok to kevin dot clancy but kfc barstool in general is uh everything kfc radio is the podcast that's every tuesday and thursday i do uh my series on instagram called one minute man which is just like short form updates of all uh pop culture and and like current events and then midnight bean is the espresso martini which will be available uh in all liquor stores distributors uh grocery stores restaurants it's just a matter of we're kind of in that rollout phase.

So a lot of people have been like, I've been looking for it and haven't found it.

That doesn't mean it's not going to be there.

It's just, apparently, in America, it takes a long time to get liquor into all these places.

So it does.

And it's all state by state and regional.

There's a lot of politics and laws.

Right.

Yeah.

States' rights.

That's right.

Well, thank you so, so much for giving us an hour and a half long episode.

We love you guys very much.

We will see you tomorrow.

I have such a special guest already done and dusted in the books.

And I hope everyone has a great day.

We love you.

Bye.