Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again: Thursday, May 15th, 2025

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good morning girlies it's the toast

it's Jackson Claude and we're your host

it's your favorite show the fast five things you need to know

we'll start your day off swirly it's the toast I sound amazing

Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday that actually

I don't know what it feels like, but it doesn't feel like, I know it's technically like a Friday for you.

It's a Friday for me.

It feels like the last day of camp.

I'll see you next summer.

I'm counting the days.

We've been living 10 months for two.

And we're going to be living 10 months for two again.

It's so true.

We're breaking.

I guess it's the last day of school because we are breaking for summer.

Yes.

So even though it is Thursday, today is Jax's final episode in the studio this week because tomorrow's episode is going to be Ben and I.

It kind of worked out perfectly that the last episode before my maternity leave would be Ben and I.

We need to hear from the two of you, you send you off a big farewell I have a personal matter to attend to tomorrow so I can't do the toast but I agree like there's something very no I'm gonna cry like full circle about you and Ben saying goodbye sending off together Because I'm leaving

on maternity.

I literally tried to spell maternity like on my phone the other day texting.

It's a word that's no longer in my vocabulary because maternity

is the current what Merriam Webster needs to update her website.

This is the maternity takeover.

So this is our last episode of Pregnant Podcasting Publicly In Person together.

Tomorrow, you and Ben, and then we're off next week.

And then I'll be back with Jackson friends after Memorial Day.

Can you tease one person who's being, who's Jackson friendsing with you?

Not the first person.

No, not the first.

No, no, no.

I was going to say the first person, but it's not.

She's the first person I'm recording.

Oh, I was going to tease.

I don't know how to tease this, but

one of the people that I'm recording with, you and I have been talking about all morning having nothing to do with the fact that I am recording with

her.

Is that?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Not us.

We're going to find ourselves at the center of a lot of drama.

Maybe over the course of this episode, when we talk about the things that interest us, you'll understand what we've been talking about all morning.

Just know, like, this person will be discussed on the toast today.

And then she also will be co-hosting with Jackie next week or the week after next.

Yeah, exactly.

So we're making waves.

We're kind of at the epicenter of all things pop culture.

Nothing new here.

Right.

So I think that's a really exciting tease.

And then I would say the other co-hosts, so interesting.

So many people in media.

So many different media publications.

Many moguls.

Two men.

Two men.

Okay.

I know one.

Who?

You don't know how to mouth.

Like, what are you saying?

It's three letters.

Oh, mogul.

Okay.

Way to give it away.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Two men in media.

Two men in media.

Two men in media.

And then the person that I just discussed.

It's a four-day week.

It's a four-day week.

And then another woman woman in media in a major way.

Yes.

Wow.

You kind of have like an amazing setup for your New York week.

I forgot.

No, I'm telling you, you guys, I have really cast a wide net.

I'm so excited to talk to all these folks.

And it's going to be really great.

So not to jump the gun and we're going to miss you.

I mean, of course, of course.

Eternity.

Yeah, no, I never missed it.

But it's still about you.

And they're going to miss you so much.

Yeah.

You're going to be so missed, but you will be so fed.

Vigils will be held in my honor.

But it is still about you this week.

And I'm just going to stop talking about what's happening when you're not.

No, no, I'm thrilled, I'm excited for the toasters and all the new guests that are gonna be coming and taking my place.

And everyone's gonna be like, We need more Jackson Blank,

you know, Jackson Blank.

You need more Jackson Clerg.

That would also have been a good name for the five weeks without you, Jackson Blank.

Yeah, it's just kind of it looks very open-ended.

Yeah, like I actually love that.

You guys can't see, but Rodeo's in the studio today.

Do you see him?

Make sure he's not like doing anything bad, right?

No, we would hear it.

Okay, he's not.

You have to trust your boy.

Anybody want him on camera?

Oh, he'll make his way.

okay make way make

way

the man that i'm on to new is where you are

where you are

how are the stories today we have summer house recap which i almost didn't watch but i watched this morning and i'm glad i did it was kind of a titillating episode and so many people are like flip-flopping the sides i was reading the toasters in um like the facebook group i need to start going to the toasters team lexy like and now i'm team jesse now i was team jesse now i'm team lexi really i'm feeling more steadfast in my take than ever i know i'm just trying to hold on to the piece of me that likes Jesse at all as a person.

I

left that piece behind this morning.

Yeah, no, I really.

And then I saw a clip of him like being caught in a lie and watched Revins Live.

I'm like, this person's like a full-blown liar.

Damn.

Yeah.

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check it out check it out uh yeah i'm glad that we did watch summer house we had a successful transfer last night so i was giggled to watch my program good good good good good but then i wanted to watch watch what happens live because i did watch my screener for because i watched on my computer i was too lazy and i couldn't figure out the hotel tv to get off channel New York One, so I couldn't watch Watch What Happens Live.

New York One has a chokehold.

Oh, I did watch a Knicks game, that's why I couldn't watch Summerhouse until this morning.

They lost.

And it's like the Knicks just need to lose, win one more game.

Like, just always the hardest.

And last game, not last night, the one before last, their best player got injured with his Achilles.

Like, he's out for the season.

So it was sort of a layup.

Like, but didn't a Celtics player get injured?

Isn't a Celtics player out?

That's what I said.

Oh,

I thought you meant the Knicks.

No, like the Knicks were poised to win.

Oh, they're coming off of a win.

Loser.

The best player from the other team.

They don't know how to operate as not the underdog.

But Ben is so excited because they're coming back.

They're coming back.

And I think I'm going to go.

Like, I think you should go.

I think it's kind of crazy to go, like, nine months pregnant.

Well, you're a crazy woman.

I know.

And you love your man.

I do.

I would do anything for him.

I do.

And I want him to be happy.

And he was like, okay, so how much should we spend?

He was being so crazy.

What is the cap per ticket?

Well, who are we asking, right?

He, in this situation, he is you.

Well, in most situations, he is me.

I was like, I

was like, I don't know.

Like, you have to show me, but I'm not spending a lot of money to get a crap seat.

You don't, you, as much as you don't want to spend a lot of money, you won't sit in a shitty seat.

No, and I was seeing like a bunch of people I know, like, socially, were at the game and they had like mess seats.

And I, like, they were like, we paid like $4,000 for our seats.

I'm like, I'm not doing that.

You're not, you wouldn't go to $4,000 per ticket.

No, are you fucking crazy?

Would you go to $3,000?

No.

Would you go to $2,000?

Now, I don't like talking about money because obviously this sounds crazy.

There are people who can't pay their bills.

But yes, for Ben, as a gift for like him being really one of the most amazing husbands anyone could be during the course of this pregnancy, like not a nary of complaint.

Well, I've took a lot of stuff.

Exit the golf and like

the masks.

And the food that you don't want.

And the smells.

But beyond that, yes, I can commit $5,000 total

to this gift for Ben.

But the thing is, we're going to end up not going because the $5,000 is not going to get you guys.

It's not going to get you what you want.

Timothy was at the game last night, solo, sitting courtside.

At the Celtics.

At the Celtics game, yeah.

Kylie didn't go to Boston.

TD Garden.

I feel like Kylie went back to the beach.

She's literally Chris and Cavalieri back to the beach.

I also think she went back to the beach.

Or she's just like posting.

Delayed.

Delayed, which I think she also does, but I think she went to Turks and Keikos, like came to New York to be with Timothy for the next day.

And she flew right back and went back to Turks and Caicos.

With Kendall.

With Kendall.

I don't know.

She's kind of all over the place.

To be be a jet setter.

I know.

To have a jet to set up.

I hope she comes back.

We miss her.

We do.

New York felt a lady trick.

It wasn't the same.

It's been raining ever since she left.

New York is crying for Kylie.

It's true.

Maybe she'll come back for the next game I think she had fun.

Yeah.

Okay, well, you should go.

Yeah, I'm thinking about it.

I'm thinking it through.

And if I'm not.

Even though I love watching games on TV, it's so fun.

I love television.

Yeah, if any brands, I know that you guys have all been really shy about the hookups.

if any brands wants more i will ask you to give turdy a sweet yeah fuck the brunson boys

maybe they didn't want to do it because like who are you no buddies yeah but for turdy makes sense the queen the queen is coming

um okay what else can i tell you so last jackson claude before we go like the show will never be this way again because turdy you will change this is the last time we will podcast together as sisters, remote or otherwise, where only one of us is a mother.

Yeah.

And how does that make you feel?

You feel like I'm encroaching a little bit on your mama's space?

Not at all.

I'm excited for you to be here because then we get to talk about those sorts of things more,

which I love, you know, but it's like I can only like sneak it in here and there when you're not interested.

It's not like, it just doesn't work that way.

So I'm excited to dive more into

that space with you and to hear your takes on it.

I think everybody is so excited to hear your takes on it.

Yeah, I feel like I'm definitely thinking through a lot now, like what my, you know, digital footprint, my identity is going to look like as like a content creator, podcaster, community and influencer who's now a mom.

Obviously, like it can take over your whole being.

And I'm not really like wanting to do that.

I think sometimes like you can't control it.

Right.

And I feel like I've talked about like other people who I think do a good job of like balancing both.

Like I don't want, I don't want to be like, like everybody's like, oh, oh, she does talk about like being a mom, but I also don't want to be the one person that's like, why don't you ever talk about being a mom, you know?

It's like a a balance obviously women are so critical of other women so i'm looking forward to everybody critiquing me for like how i embrace this new era of my life um i don't have a chip on my shoulder about it or anything but we'll see we'll see how it goes i think you should just let nature take its course don't overthink it i think it'll come really natural to you whatever the path is yeah you know what i mean i don't think you have to make a plan i think should i pack a snack well always always that's kind of the cornerstone of motherhood yeah and you're probably gonna be hungry but i think it will be a natural next step for you i do

and you shouldn't you shouldn't worry worry so.

No, no, no.

I feel like also at this stage of pregnancy, like you're so bored.

Like all you do is worry about things that are like, are not real issues.

Yeah.

Like I'm, I was so worried about my junk drawer.

I don't know if you saw like kind of like reorganized my junk drawer, which was a big moment in my house.

Um, and the way that like that junk drawer weighed on me for like a week, you know, you just like, you have nothing to do, but just like worry about stuff.

I understand.

When you're pregnant without other kids.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Obviously when you're pregnant like with a toddler, like you're no, I know.

I like brought out my keyboard from the cellar and started practicing piano in my last few weeks you did yeah it was so bored i wasn't leaving the house also because of covid uh-huh and um that's funny when you said keyboard i thought like a dell computer keyboard no i brought my piano keyboard i got it for zach for his birthday years like when we started dating and i was watching so much tv in my pregnancy and like I couldn't watch anymore.

Like I was sick of everything, sick of laying there.

I was like, I want to use my brain now.

So I brought up the keyboard.

I'm dying.

I learned arabesque.

Okay.

Yeah.

I got some coloring books.

That was when I wrote the first draft of Camber and Counselor.

That's a beautiful full circle story, Jax.

Right?

Yeah.

It's available on Amazon now.

I wrote the first draft when I was in my final weeks of pregnancy.

Maybe a children's book is waiting to pour out of you this week.

I already have one.

It goes like this.

There once was a girl named Turdy.

I thought you were going to say that.

She was really flirty.

I thought you were going to say it's the first day of camp.

My bags are tightly packed.

I would have, except I could not remember how the book started.

Thank you.

It's the first day of camp.

My bags are tightly packed.

My duffel trunk and pillow are all neatly stacked.

We bump and we bend up curves, bends, and hills.

The winding camp roads.

Gives me goosebumps and chills.

No, the fact that people continue to write

children's books when the best one ever has already been written, like seriously, lay down your pencils.

It's so true.

It's not necessary.

We've got this.

It's so true.

And if there are any toasters out there who don't know that Claudia and I are sisters, we're sisters.

um and daisy jones in the six ends with her um after everyone's died getting back together with him

and i wrote a children's book and it's loosely based off of our own life the main character is inspired by one of it's a biography it's autobiographical semi it's semi-autobiographical and the main character is um

based loosely off of one of jackie's sisters who is not me which is low-key one of the most disgusting parts but we will just like yeah skip right over because i know that the sequel is about a camper named Trudy.

Yeah, it's such a cute name for a little, like, and the camper's obviously like chubby, like Trudy.

She's just like coming in and she's coming in second summer.

Yeah.

And so it's very dynamic.

Right.

But how will things shake out?

Our camper is always there.

Right.

To be a supportive friend.

And the camper and the counselor in the book, the counselor's name is Counselor Snitch.

What is the camper's name?

It's a great mystery.

Oh, she's nameless.

She's nameless in the book, but I know her name.

Because she, well, I like that she's nameless because she kind kind of represents all of us she's all of us yeah but you know her name are you gonna share it maybe in a future book oh secrets revealed but i think you guys could guess her name jackie

is it jackie she has red hair it's jax yeah okay it's jax and trudy jacks and trudy

trudy and jax

They're a great duo in the kids' space.

Correct.

Kind of picking up where Max and Ruby left off.

That's That's like a little bit of the plot of the sequel.

I don't want to get too much away.

It has not been written yet.

Maybe towards the end of this pregnancy, inspiration will strike.

The rest is still unwritten.

I'm taking so fucking over that song.

No, she can do no wrong, Natasha.

I didn't say I was over Natasha.

I said it was over the song.

The song could never, this song could never be bad.

The second wave of like younger people finding it and like younger, older people like reliving.

Like I've hated every minute of it and I want the song to be done.

Every time I hear it in an organic way, like if it came on my shuffle or something, I'm thrilled to hear it.

For me, maybe it's like a constant reminder that not us, but society, excluding us, let Natasha Bedding feel down.

And they like forced her to just keep performing this same old song as if she doesn't have other music that is so unbelievable.

They told me, girl, to get your way, you gotta be a bitch.

They say the guy won't get the girl if he's not filthy rich.

You stop with little changes till you don't know who you are.

Surround yourself with friends who only call you a superstar like oh yeah those bitches will never know what's that album called recovery we will recover like

but i just

circle back to when i hear unwritten i think of just the the lost potential but i want to circle back to something that you said in your diatribe which was that it was not us no it was not us we are responsible supported everything she did thereafter you guys didn't no okay

you guys didn't i we are excluded from that narrative, but you know who else is excluded from that narrative?

I wonder if you're going to know what I say.

Supporting Natasha Beddingfield.

Of supporting Natasha Beddingfield's other work outside of Unwritten.

You're not going to know.

It's like a niche me reference.

I am.

I am.

Yeah, it's a person whose name we don't know.

What do you mean?

My favorite movie of all time.

Like, do you know what I'm going to say?

The other woman?

No, close, though.

Something borrowed.

And they use it.

They end the film.

Like, finally, she steals her man.

Spoiler alert, she steals her best friend's man.

She's picking up his dry cleaning.

Like, she, her and the friend are never going to be okay, but she got the guy, and she don't give a fuck, you know?

Um, and she's picking up his dry cleaning.

It's like a perfect day in New York, and they're walking away, and it's like,

I have to keep reminding myself, I'm not like anyone else.

So, the person who scored something borrowed, Jax and Claude, are not responsible for holding Natasha Bettingfield back from reaching her fullest potential.

Now she's out here just like making TikToks to the same song.

Ashamed of yourselves, you should be ashamed.

Also, like, if you want to knock on her songs that are overplayed like i would go more pocket full of sunshine i would not i think unwritten is par delicious no matter how many times i hear it pocket full of sunshine is more annoying agree to disagree you like pocket full of sunshine more than unwritten it doesn't attack me i actually didn't when you were saying her other songs i'm like what song is she talking about i literally forgot about pocket full of sunshine

you're thinking of it from the movie

no no no actually no i just feel like when i see that on tick or unreels scroll scroll i I never see it.

If I, and also, someone did like a couple remixes of Unwritten.

Yeah, no, they've been there.

Unreals?

They're resuscitating Unwritten.

I'm here for it.

I'm over it.

And that's the kind of duality and complexity you can come to expect from the toast podcast.

But maybe when you're changed, the next time we podcast together on the toast, we'll agree on that.

Maybe.

Maybe.

Because you're going to be so changed.

She's changed for the better.

First mile.

That's never.

Today's a toast tunes kind of day.

I mean, we have to get it all out now, even though we are recording a Patreon after this, so it's technically not our last episode together.

It's true.

Oh, and next week there's Patreon episodes every day.

So if you're missing your girls, head over to patreon.com slash the toast because we've been working overtime to keep you fed and keep you satiated.

Yeah, so it's Jackson Claude every episode.

So like if you're a Patreon member for the next two, three months, like you're completely fine.

You're completely fine.

Like every time you're missing us, there's something there will be a Patreon for you.

And we've been like putting in work overtime to make sure that the scheduled content gets released.

So that's patreon.com slash a toast.

But this is our last pre-fast five banter where we're so different from one another and we are the people that we are because I'm also going to expand my role as an auntie and I don't know how that's going to change me.

Oh, let me lock my iPad.

I'm so glad you brought that up.

I haven't been a new auntie in two and a half years.

Well, I did want to talk about that

because

obviously everyone knows like when you look up auntie in the Webster's dictionary, like my face is there.

I've been like one of the most committed, devoted, and really hardworking aunties this world has ever seen.

And I just want to say before I had kids, I was the number one auntie.

And so that era of my life, I don't know if you've talked to your kids about it, like is going to change.

Auntie Koji's is not going to be the coachers that you would know.

Right, which is why I've been like making plans.

Like I took the kids swimming.

Like I just want them to know, like auntie's leaving and she's coming back, but not in the way.

That you think that they've grown accustomed to.

And do you think that will be a difficult adjustment for all my nibbling?

Well, here's the beautiful thing about the circle of life because while they

while they are losing a bit of their auntie, they are gaining a cousin.

Yeah.

And like, it's like, I don't think Michaela even noticed that I was slipping, that I was slipping because I gave her a cousin.

Gave her a friend.

And that was even better than what I was doing.

So I think they're going to be so excited about the new addition that they're not even going to notice that Kojis hasn't slept.

I don't know.

Coaches is tired.

I think Koja's like presence is so almighty.

Like,

yes, I'm giving them a cousin, sure, but like,

I don't know.

I think that they'll, like, if you notice any like behavioral issues, like, or any differences in their moods or scheduling, like, I would say, like, there's a major change happening in their life.

Auntie Kojis is kind of taking a step back.

Well, I would say for Charlie, it's going to be the biggest change for him because he won't be the baby anymore.

But he had the longest run as the baby.

Yeah, chasing after those kids.

So I'm excited for him that he doesn't have to, like, that he's not the the youngest anymore, but like, I think he loves being the baby.

Well, you know, it's interesting how people act

when they're on bottom and then they're on top.

Do you think Charlie will be a benevolent leader?

I think so.

Me too.

I think so.

He's seen a lot in his time.

You don't think he'll be like Ashe-Marie Shea, like finally gets accepted to the cool crew and like turns on the ones that brought him there.

No, Charlie has seen a lot.

He's seen a lot of different ways of it being done.

And I think he knows what he wants to model.

And I think that's good boy behavior.

Got it.

So not Charlie Shea.

No, he'll be modeling good boy behavior.

trust me gbb if not come tell his mama oh you know i will no but they're gonna be so excited no it's so exciting um just you know i'm i'm like being annoyingly like this is my last you know like i feel like if we don't it's weird no no not even with the podcast like at home too i'm like ben like this is our like last

whatever i'm like taco tuesday

i'm being so dramatic even though like i low-key still have time left like i need to chill you might have another taco tuesday most likely even though Taco Tuesdays really do give me really bad acid reflux, so I actually can't.

But I'm just being so dramatic.

My dude, think this is our last time in the car.

Like, no, we'll be driving to the hospital.

Like, I'm really being so like commemorative.

I feel like if we aren't commemorative on this episode, like, it will be weird and it will pass us by.

And we'll be like, oh my God, that was kind of like a major one.

And everyone else is going to be like, oh, my God, last Jackson Claude.

And like, I feel like we really need to be present in this moment, even though that's so not like us.

Sounds like you're saying we need to acknowledge the space that we're in.

We do need to acknowledge the space that we're in.

Consider it acknowledged.

And like do a little manifestation

of

the manifest.

Okay.

Do you know what I mean?

I have a really hard time like being present.

Present.

I don't think manifest is the right word.

No, no, it's not.

But I do think manifesting more would help me be more present.

Oh, perhaps like you started.

That was like a practice in your everyday life.

Because it's like I'm saying all these things about how it's the last one, but like.

Are you living that?

No, she's not.

it's just any other she's so inauthentic um no i'm trying like i feel like if you speak it you will be it okay so it's better than not commemorating anything do you feel like it's like i can tell you recently hung out with lauren bostick oh my god well thanks for spoiling my guest oh it's fine wait yeah

is she your guest for when who knows okay sorry my bad but that's not who we were talking about that's actually not who we were talking about at the beginning of the show um yes i've been hanging out with lauren bostick um okay once once yeah but we text too okay um and we're both not big texters so it's like it's all the radiation the fact that we like do it for each other right right you take that risk

that's really sweet we take that that's huge huge

but yeah i'm trying to be present like i don't know what more to tell you and i feel like you're not present but you're not trying to be more so it's not an issue right if i knew what on earth we were talking about like i would be able to respond to that heinous accusation of me not being present i don't know i just feel like it's like when like we should be so much more like aware that it's the last right but i don't feel it in my bones i'm just like i know it in my head

like i seriously i i can't follow this conversation because you're not present correct okay fine you got me i'm not present Does it feel like the last two?

Like, do you really feel it?

It's not my last.

I have to work tomorrow.

Is it last with me?

Is it last with you?

No, because there's something about podcasting in person, especially in this new studio.

Like, this isn't real.

And I know these episodes have actually been performing so well, like, numbers-wise, people love when we're together.

Um, I feel like every day three people are listening.

I'm like, I don't even like these episodes feel fake.

Every time we put out our regular episode, it's like, oh my God, everyone's gonna listen and critique.

And it's like very high stakes.

These feel like we're cosplaying podcasters.

I don't know why.

In our room, like making videos, like giggling, yeah, making videos on Facebook.

A thousand percent.

I agree.

So that's why I'm just like, maybe that's why I'm not feeling present.

Well, your presence is a gift.

True.

Always.

Eternally.

One that we will miss.

Oh, yeah.

She's kicking me out already.

Because if we're being present in this moment, it is our last episode together.

And can I tell you something that I find really exciting about maternity leave?

Like, obviously, I'm going to miss everyone so much, but as like the nosiest bitch alive, what I loved about your maternity leaves is that I invited all these people to come co-host.

And they are people with successful YouTube channels, successful podcasts, successful businesses.

And like everybody online, like makes themselves seem so big deal.

Big deal.

I'm so famous.

I have so many fans followers and it's interesting to see who comes on the podcast and like increases numbers you know who actually like has fans not just like followers um and so like i was nosy and like literally one of my favorite activities was like tallying up the numbers at the end of the week and i feel like i've said before who crushed it but like honestly shannon shannon brings brings peeps brings peeps and then you would have someone who was like a huge podcast and you're like oh

that's a huge because everyone's on vacation right

um so it's like a fun like if you're a nosy, curious person like me.

Well, that will be there for you to run the data on the various media moguls.

Yeah, no, when I have like a nap break, I'll be running the data.

Yeah.

You can find me in our analytics department.

It's really not that hard, but yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

now without further ado to, are you ready to wrap up the final fast five of Jackson Claude as we are?

I am.

Jackson Claude as we are.

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Our first story, two couples who we talk about at length on the toast have reportedly, allegedly come together and joined forces.

As a foursome?

As a support system.

Prince Harry and Megan's secret mansion summit with Brooklyn and Nicola to share trauma of toxic family feuds.

Okay, this does sound like a made-up British tabloid story, but let's pretend.

It's in the sun, so it could be.

But apparently, Prince Harry and Megan are secretly supporting Brooklyn and Nicola amid their family row and had them over for dinner last week.

The foursome dined at the Sussexes in Montecito just days after Brooklyn skipped his dad's 50th birthday.

Okay.

A source familiar with the event said Harry and Megan were very empathetic and very kind to them both.

Harry was fully aware of the situation and offered Brooklyn his unwavering support as someone who has been through similar Okay, so the headline was a little misleading sounded like they took like a trip to a castle and like so they had dinner together and you know what I actually think that's entirely possible Especially because like I could see, because we know David is like a huge monarchist.

He literally was like one of those people who waited in line for seven hours to touch the queen's casket.

I guess they like leave the casket out and say, like as a random, not even as a

special treatment and he cried and he was like taking pictures of people.

So he obviously is like team royal.

And so I could see as like an extra knife to like his family, him and Nicola having dinner with like Harry and Megan, who are like these, you know, royal outsiders.

1000%.

I just want to say, if this is true and we have to like operate as if it is for the sake of conversation, this is the worst idea I've ever heard for Brooklyn and Nicola.

Like to go to leave, like be on the outs with your family and then go seek advice from people who actually like burned theirs to the ground.

Like do not be like these people.

No, maybe that's what they like.

Maybe they're looking to go no contact.

No, no, no.

Which a lot of people are like, let's stop it.

Turn around.

Which is what a lot of people do with like in-laws they deem to be toxic.

No, no.

And Harry and Megan have sort of paved the way.

Plenty of people have in-laws they deem to be toxic and they don't take it to the level that Harry and Megan did.

No, no, of course not.

But it is like a popular thing now.

It's like more like TikTok.

I know you don't know.

But it's like if something in your life, like a person in your life doesn't serve you, we're going no contact, right?

It's fine.

I'm fine with no contact.

What Harry and Megan did was not no contact.

It was a lot of contact.

It was a lot of a lot.

I thought the story you were going to talk about is that they went to another concert.

It was going to be my next part, like B, because them going to another concert like isn't headline news, except that he was wearing a hat and we'll get to it.

But I just need to say to Brooklyn and Nicola, like you're hanging out with the wrong people.

Like you should either be just taking a break from your family, that's fine.

They're toxic and narcissistic, allegedly.

So yeah, you want to break, but like to go get, seek advice from these two, this is what, they are what not to do.

They are how not to break from your family.

I'm in agreement.

There is a way to, like, obviously I'm always on the side of like, we have to make things work.

Family is family.

Sometimes you get to a point where like you can't with a certain family member.

Um, and so Harry and Megan obviously got to that point.

And I think the way they did it was not the best.

And so if, if Brooklyn and Nicola are looking to go no contact with the Beckhams, which would make me so upset.

Like that's not what I want.

I don't know if like they're being, you know, led by the greatest of leaders.

They can go no contact.

I would endorse that because it's not working.

And they really try.

For the last year, they support

everything.

Like I can say they really gave it their all.

And if you want to take a break from them and not speak to them, that's fine with me.

Don't do what those two did and do not take advice from them.

Or it's just like fancy.

British people having dinner.

Why would Nicola, she's like so gorgeous, so young.

You So why would she want to go eat dinner with some 40-year-olds and their kids?

Yeah, they are like in complete different life stages, different ages.

I don't know how this former people are.

Women like Brooklyn might be interested in having dinner with Harry.

Like he's the prince of the country.

And they're a bunch of expats.

Yeah.

But I'm sorry.

Nicola, like, what is she doing there?

Correct.

I'm sorry.

I think this is really a horrible idea and I hope it's false.

But I also, if it is false, I just want to give credit to the person who made it up.

It's funny.

Because it's fucking hysterical.

It's crazy.

Well, they did also go to a concert.

They saw James Taylor, which is like seriously Ben's favorite artist.

I've seen fire and I've seen rain.

What a versatile taste in music they have.

Like, I wonder if, like, we know Megan loves Beyonce.

Maybe Harry loves James Taylor.

Like, because, like, I don't know anybody who's like a big James Taylor and Beyonce fan.

They're entirely different generations and genres.

No, I feel like that's the bridge that they like straddle in their age bracket.

I don't know why I'm making them to seem so old today.

No, but they are like, you know, adults.

Yeah, you have like 40s taste and some of it is like the young, cool stuff.

And also like Megan is a friend of Beyonce's.

Yes.

I think Megan loves being famous.

And I, that's a part of her, like I actually really relate to in the same way how she had to like tell everyone in her caption, like, thanks, Beyonce and team for having us.

Like, she wants everyone like, bitch, I'm famous.

I'm connected.

I can get seats at whatever, you know, events you can't get seats at.

So I actually really relate to her in that way.

I don't know if James Taylor tickets are particularly hard to come by or backstage passes.

I'm sure he was thrilled to meet them.

But obviously the headline here is the fact that Harry's at another concert wearing another hat.

And not only is it like obviously

pointing to some sort of hair situation.

He also has bad taste in hats.

This one's like a real emo beanie that I feel like the men on the hills used to wear, you know?

Well, I don't like his outfit either.

Like if we're just criticizing his style.

I don't like him if we're just criticizing his persona.

It's not as if the hat ruins an otherwise fab outfit.

So I think all together it works because it's a bunch of weird stuff put together I mean well the thing is with hair plugs when your situation was so dire for so many years like we're gonna know so you don't even like I know that when you get hair plugs or I don't know what the right word is these days a transplant for the first couple of weeks you have like sprouts on your forehead like buzz well yes but you also have like it's a little bloody and it's like it's so obvious so you you do have to cover it up if you leave the house so it could be that he's in the covering up stage i don't know why they insist on doing public events why i leave the house because they never leave the house and why post the pictures they we never they never post pictures yeah but also like if he were to come out and have a full head of hair in six months like that would be like me coming out with red hair like it's obviously a change so

well maybe he'll come out and he'll be open about his struggles that's kind of his mo

I think that would be like one of the best things he could possibly do for himself and his brand.

Would you give him a chance?

Yes.

If he said like, I've been struggling with hair loss.

And he even started like a, a hair loss platform, like how he's very big in the mental health space.

Like a Rogaine, or you mean like a better help?

Like a, yeah, like a, a telehealth for hair health.

Oh, he's totally an investor in like him's because you know that company, like you can get like a Rogaine or Minoxidil.

Telehealth for hair health.

That's actually, I think it's actually a good idea.

He would be a great spokesperson because obviously he walks the walk and the mental health space is so crowded at this point.

And the humans can't even play their employees.

Wait, did you see

what you just reminded me?

It's kind of how like, oh, we talked about it on the toes, how Amy Schumer is an investor in that telehealth company that helps women with like weight loss drugs.

And she was like, I've had the best experience.

I invested in this company.

And yeah, I'm on Manjaro, obsessed.

And it's like an endorsement for the telehealth company.

That's definitely a possibility.

And that would actually be a good business move for Harry.

So here's the thing.

I don't think it's what's happening.

I don't think it's a possibility, but I think it's what should happen.

And maybe even if he went to Turkey and he had no plans of being open about it, maybe this will reach him and just let him know, like, I think there's money here.

And I like how saying like going to Turkey is obviously, it's now code for like getting hair transplants.

And I think if you have unlimited resources, you don't do it outside of Turkey.

You don't need to go to Turkey.

Turkey is just for like regular folk who want access to like really top tier medical care at a much more affordable price.

But like there are amazing people in the States.

They're just incredibly pricey.

I think.

I've not heard of them.

Like I don't think we would need to go to Turkey.

Like I know a couple of people who've gotten hair plugs, like wealthy men.

And they did it in America.

That you know that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Who do who?

Hit me with the.

Okay.

Who?

No.

Hold on.

I'll just text it to you.

Okay.

Just to

just to be angry.

And not to be annoying, like, it is juicy.

Is it a famous person?

A little bit.

Okay.

Oh,

and then this one.

Juicy.

Juicy.

And they were all done in America.

Wow.

Stateside plug.

Okay.

So he didn't have to go to Turkey.

That's what I'm saying.

You don't actually have to travel unless you're just looking for a deal.

A good hair plug at a good price.

Right, because what you get for the price in Turkey, you would like seriously have to go to Mexico for here and like get risk infection, you know, like one of those turn.

Yeah, they do a nice job.

And the medical care is like so luxurious.

They like the the cost of your procedure includes your flights, includes like luxury recovery suites, hotels for your family.

Like it's really, I watched

Darcy and Stacey.

I know you don't know who that is.

It's a TLC show.

And they went to Turkey to get like completely new faces and they took us on the journey.

So I know a lot about Turkey.

Got it.

I saw a girl once go to Turkey for medical care for like a

medical.

No, she just like wanted to run all those expensive tests on herself.

Oh, a medical workup.

Yeah.

Yeah, a medical workup.

Also, they're, I think, known for their teeth as well.

Are you ready for our next story?

Rihanna will release her first song in three years for the Smurfs soundtrack.

So, Rihanna shared the news along with a trailer for the film on Wednesday, which also features snippets of the song.

But her new song is called Friend of Mine.

It will drop tomorrow as part of the soundtrack for the Smurfs movie, which is starring John Goodman, James Corden, Nick Oferman, and Sandra O.

I think a lot of people like weren't expecting this.

Finally getting music from Rihanna.

And I've just seen this all before we panic to remember some of the best songs ever made have come from the troll soundtrack.

I got that sunshine in my pocket.

Got that good song in my feet.

We hate Justin Timberlake, but we love that song.

Also,

It's Broken and It's Beautiful by Kelly Clarkson.

Well, that's, and that's just trolls.

Every

animated movie worth its salt these days has an original song that's fucking poppin', Oscar worthy.

I think I'm not worried for one second.

The fact that actually this is for the Smurfs, I think I might like it more than if she was just like dropping a rogue single.

Yeah.

It's called Friend of Mine.

I think the vibes are going to be good.

The message is going to be good.

And that's like the cool thing about being a billionaire, like not from music, like from her own business is like with the music, she can do make choices that feel right to her.

Obviously, she's in like her mom era.

So her kids are going to want to watch this.

And that's mom's song.

Yeah.

How cute.

Yeah.

And it's like maybe they weren't listening to her and but they only listened to the Smurfs.

And so she's going to get inside the TV and be like, clean your room.

It's literally Josie and the Pussycat, subliminal messaging in the music.

It is.

I love celebrities who become parents and then give back to the community with Pargy content, like Fallout Boy doing the Spidey soundtrack.

Like it's just really fun for everyone.

It's really crazy because it's like 10 years in the making waiting for a Rihanna song.

I have no doubt that it's going to be good.

One, because it's Rihanna.

And two, like something about the troll soundtrack in particular.

Why do you keep saying trolls?

Is it not trolls?

No, it's Smurfs.

well that's why i keep saying trolls okay i was like i thought you just said it once to like just say that trolls has good music oh i'm so sorry okay okay i obviously got my caricatures confused um your six level i thought you was releasing on the troll soundtrack i'm like well the track record of troll songs going number one the proof is there got it okay i don't i know less about the smurfs discography i apologize it's okay well now we're gonna know more yeah

so i'm excited we'll We'll see it.

We'll hear it tomorrow.

Maybe you and Ben could do a little live listen, interpretive dance to a friend of mine by Rihanna.

You got it.

Cloud of cheeks.

From the forthcoming Smurf soundtrack.

Are you ready for our next story?

Speaking of music, we're down the street.

Justin Bieber owes his former manager, Scooter Braun, millions of dollars for a tour loan.

So this is very interesting because Justin still owes his former manager Scooter millions of dollars despite parting ways with him nearly two years ago.

An independent audit conducted by Price waterhouse coopers and why like who put them up to this no i thought it was tmz based on the way that i read it but no i think but it wasn't price waterhouse coopers involved yes someone like the government like who's auditing well so here's like the story so this accounting for firm pwc that's what you guys know them from the oscars they do all like the tallying yes after ernston young got fired after uh moonlight gate right so over a period of six months found that justin owes scooter more than eight million dollars per documents obtained by TMZ yesterday.

The audit was reportedly completed in April.

Source tells page six: the money owed stems from a loan that Scooter made to Justin over debt accrued during his canceled tour in 2022, his Justice Tour.

You guys remember he started that tour?

Justin canceled the Justice tour in the middle of the tour, but he had gotten an advance from the tour production.

Unlive Nation, or something, whichever one it was.

And he had to pay it back and he couldn't pay it back.

And Scooter lent him the money in a tough time.

And they say he couldn't pay it back because

he is, while yes, incredibly successful, especially if you're a musician, I think at one point his net worth was like somewhere around $300 million.

He was spending and he also had a bad business manager.

It is believed that he completely tore through his $300 million.

Yeah, he sold his music catalog for $200 million in 2022.

So we talked about that and we were like, that's kind of weird.

It's a little early to sell your music.

And now it seems like in the timeline of events that's being painted is that he was pretty much broke.

Yet TMZ reported last October that Justin was considering suing his financial managers for allegedly squandering $300 million of his fortune.

An insider told Page 6 exclusively at the time, though, that his spending habits were to blame because they were out of control.

He spent an eye-watering amount per month.

At one point, he couldn't even get a credit card, they said.

Justin is surrounded by a lot of people that do not have his best interests at heart.

Yeah, I believe that, especially when you think about like how young he was with so much money and how many like people around him just like wanting a piece of that.

And then the scooter brought of it all makes sense because his sort of breakup with Justin Bieber was like the biggest deal ever.

Scooter Braun did go on to like sell his company to a Japanese company for like almost a billion dollars.

So I feel like the 8 million like he could live without.

Like maybe we would just call a spade a space.

It's like if you lent your friend $800 and they were going through a hard time.

And then like you end up winning the lottery or something, just like leave it alone.

Yeah.

I don't know if Scooter is trying to get the money back, but I think Justin has like been saying and even trying to prove that like his teams and people around him stole from him.

And it's like actually no, Scooter gave you money.

well it actually it could have been both because it sounds like he did have like poor business managers and well yeah but to protect him from himself well that's the other thing i worry about because you know they say road is valued at almost a billion dollars now and i did see on tick tock so like take this with a grain of salt that they're shopping it around to like hopefully get bought um it's incredibly successful and so while i love that for her i do hope she you know protects what's hers i'm sure that she will i'm sure she's the only one who has control of the credit cards good

and

maybe he could do what he wants with his money, but certainly not with hers, especially now that she's a mom.

Like, I don't think she would play it.

She knows what she's doing.

Yeah.

TMZ's report on Wednesday also claimed that his business manager, Lou Taylor, found the 20 million figure to be inaccurate and claimed that actually Scooter had been overpaid in commissions by $26 million.

So then Taylor is somehow involved.

If you guys remember her name, she was kind of a bad faith actor in the whole Britney Spears Conservatorship

situation.

The Bush company Hyde conducted its own audit and found he was actually owed a million dollars, but reportedly waived that amount.

Okay.

So per TMZ, Justin reportedly felt that Scooter's audit was done corruptly, which led to Hybe hiring PWC for the audit, which resulted in the Grammy winner actually owing $8 million.

Oh, okay.

Well, you know what?

I'm then inclined to believe PricewaterhouseCooper because they were hired by Scooter and their results don't help Scooter.

No,

he was trying to show

you $8 million.

Yeah, no, he was trying to show, no, actually, you owe me a million dollars.

I didn't steal from you.

And then they come in and are like, actually, you're owed $8 million.

I got it.

Yeah.

Well, if anybody wants to loan me $8 million,

I am available.

Will you pay it back?

No.

No, no, no.

Just, it's no.

It's no, but that's what you're doing.

How about no.

It's not so much a loan, more so as a gift.

A gift.

I agree, which it has been a gift in Scooter's case.

I do think, like,

Justin has really squandered his own

fortune.

I agree.

I'm sure people around him are enabling him.

I'm sure they're spending his money

but he is there as well and like they take advantage of him and he doesn't help himself personal accountability is important i agree right as long as like haley and and jack are you know covered or yeah jack's college fund is intact yeah well that's road correct but it's crazy when we talk about justin being like this just like totally down on his luck broke individual we've seen videos i want to say an alleged drug addict right but that's that's like Haley's husband.

I know.

It feels like two different people.

Yeah.

And it's funny how we keep checking out like Haley's a mother.

Like we keep saying that.

And like, I forget Justin's a father, too, you know?

Yeah.

But the videos of him in the last few weeks are really bad.

Bad.

Yeah.

But they seem fine.

Claudia.

But she keeps, like, she's posting.

And she seems fine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But I think that we cannot begin to understand

that

world.

No, and you know, I found something really interesting totally separately because a lot of people think that like Justin Bieber somehow involved in the Diddy case and that's not what I'm saying but it just reminded me of Diddy because I've ended up on Diddy talk and I'm glad because it like it needs to be widely distributed but do you know that

Cassie long after they had broken up filed a civil suit against him and they settled out of court she got 30 million dollars from him and

A part of that is obviously signing an NDA she wasn't allowed to ever speak but because this is a federal indictment like civil suit NDAs don't apply so she not only got her 30 million dollars but she also got to speak her truth love that love that for her you love to see women in business well when people say Justin's a part of the Diddy case like not the case necessarily like he just is a like people think he might have been one of his victims

right just given the timing um justin's age at the time um people he was hanging out with

there's i'm sure like there's conspiracy theories with more proof but that's pretty much but when we say other people would be part of the diddy case it would be like they were accessories attending the freak offs Yeah.

No, I meant Justin as a victim.

And that's why he's currently having this like public Britney moment because it's a deeply

hurtful part of his past.

There's no proof of that, but it's just a connection people are making.

I don't think that it's so far-fetched.

Me neither.

But it's important to remember that he would be like a very tragic victim of what happened.

Cureret.

So that's really sad.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story?

Is it about Justin Bell?

Don't you be like lively in Taylor Swift?

No, but it could be because I honestly don't want to talk about what I had chosen.

Oh, great.

I was just like honestly overwhelmed when I saw.

I know the Blake Lively thing yesterday.

And then like Sal Mahayak was at dinner with Blake last night.

Did you not see that?

Salmon Hayek

did not watch.

Even though I'm on Sal Talk?

You're on Sal Talk.

Oh, I did not hear that.

Okay, can you explain?

I can.

Thank you.

So some documents were published by Justin Baldoni's lawyers yesterday, and obviously people read them and they were referencing Taylor Swift.

So immediately people, you know, did their their thing.

And essentially, he submitted documents and is alleging that Blake Lively,

when the scandal started blowing up, not only like extorted Taylor Swift, but like threatened and blackmailed her.

Basically, the lawyer's alleging that they have a really legitimate source that said Blake Lively

asked,

threatened, asked.

Taylor to like speak out on her behalf while everyone was coming for Taylor, I mean, excuse me, for Blake.

And if she didn't then threaten to like release personal text messages from the last 10 years of their, you know, personal friendship.

That's what's being alleged.

And it's apparently this like really legitimate source who knows this stuff.

So then their text messages could be subpoenaed.

Right.

And so Taylor then

was subpoenaed earlier this week.

Her team released a statement being like, she didn't work on the movie.

She didn't work on the score.

Yeah, they licensed her song, My Tears Were Ger Shape in the Trailer, but like she was busy being on one of the biggest world tours.

Like, this has nothing to do with me.

Please excuse me from this narrative.

So, it's gotten really messy with Taylor.

And I think anytime, like, I think it's a strategic thing because anytime

Taylor gets brought up, this the lawsuit gets brought up again in a major way.

On the show, on the show, in a major way.

And it's really always in favor of Justin Beltoni because even though at first I really didn't believe any of the things they were saying about Taylor and Blake, like these two have not been spotted together in a really long time.

So I don't know what's true.

And at first, I was like, there's literally no way.

There's no way.

But if Blake did like even remotely threaten Taylor, like Taylor's out.

Oh, I was going to say, where are you then?

Where am I?

Oh, I don't know.

That's such crazy behavior for Blake.

How does this turdy feel?

How does this affect Turdy?

Is anybody asking these questions?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Because this whole time I've really felt like so much of the Taylor rhetoric is like blown up.

Like, what the fuck does this have to do with Taylor Swift?

And I'm sorry, I just never took Taylor as like one of those friends.

They have painted it up until this point that Taylor like is staying away from Blake because she doesn't want like the stain of a, you know, a scandal on her record.

And I'm like, that's really lame.

Like your friend is your friend.

And I didn't believe Taylor to be that type of person.

But now it seems like she's just mad at Blake for doing something to her.

Like

that's different than like, you know,

what's the word I'm looking for?

And distancing.

Distancing yourself from a friend who's like having a public scandal.

You're being mad at someone.

Yeah, no.

I'm like, if you're distancing your friend from having a public scandal, like you've had public scandals, that's really lame of you, Taylor.

I never thought that that was the truth.

I didn't think so either.

Now it seems like she's a legitimate gripe.

And I'm like, well, if that's the case, but this is all coming from Justin Baldoni.

Like, what do we know?

The thing is, we will know.

If these two are never spotted together ever again, like something happened.

Yeah.

But Blake has been taking time off from like public events.

Taylor hasn't been seen in a couple of months.

I'm sorry.

No, Blake's been everywhere.

Sorry.

I guess that's true.

Blake's everywhere.

She's in Selma dinner last night.

She's at the same time.

Only recently.

Only recently.

Stood up and talked.

Only recently.

I feel like she's doing simple favor press.

Her and Taylor's like blackout dates didn't overlap.

Like Taylor was being really public and Blake was not.

And then Taylor went, you know, on vacation.

I don't know where she's been for the last couple of weeks slash months.

And Blake did time 100.

Now like, I feel like they fine.

So if there's a time, like Super Bowl or whatever, like things that they would be doing together that they're not doing, then I will say something happened.

Okay.

But if

Blake threatened Taylor, which I think would be like the seriously, the stupidest thing a person could do.

Yeah.

Like that's your dragon.

You want to piss off your dragon?

They'll burn you.

My dragon.

Your dragon.

So like say Blake burned Taylor.

Where do you stand?

Well, I would say Stanley Taylor because that's so lame.

Like anyone threatening your personal text messages, like as a public figure, like your privacy is the only thing you have.

As a friend?

But as a friend who like

we know, like what does Taylor value most?

Really her privacy and like of the people she keeps close to her.

And Blake has withstood every friend from the last 10 years.

The girl squad, everyone has come and go, but Blake has been tried and true.

And they're so close, like with the kids and the music.

If

that's devastating.

Do you think it was Ryan from Blake's phone

no that's funny you don't don't you want to blame the man thousand percent then you don't have to deal thousand percent these conflicting feelings no no my feelings are as such if blake did this she's so wrong for that and like i'm team taylor 100 taylor should never be your friend again does now being team taylor mean being team team baldoni

i don't think it does i'm holding space enemy of your enemy is not your friend

i don't think in this case no okay

But again, these are all documents, allegations being made from Justin Baldone.

Yeah.

And for their part, Blake's attorney spoke out to deny the claim that Justin's attorney made about the actress's friendship with Taylor.

The thing is, this is very easily deniable.

Go to dinner.

Like, I will be settled.

You two go to dinner.

Give me a blurry paparazzi picture at a restaurant in Philadelphia.

Like, go to dinner and we're good.

Yeah.

This is easy to figure out if it's true or not.

Because Taylor would never talk to her again if it was true.

Just to say, the letter that they sent to get Taylor subpoenaed said, his lawyer said that they have a source who is highly likely to have reliable information, alleged to them that there is evidence of Lively's lawyers pressuring Swift's lawyers.

Okay, so lawyer to lawyer.

Ryan to lawyer.

Ryan to lawyer to Taylor to lawyer.

To release a statement of support for the actress amid the legal saga.

If they refused, Lively was willing to leak their text messages in what he called extortionate threats.

There is no evidence of the claims yet, but the lawyer said their subpoena seeks to obtain these communications

a legal letter.

And by the way, they would have that.

Correct.

So this to me seems easily provable for in a year and we'll have forgotten him.

There's so many other things we're waiting on.

We're like, okay, we'll just bookmark that for the trial next year.

You know, I mean, even in this trial, like so many, he said, she said, and it's like, okay, jury's out until the jury's in in March 2026.

So we need to keep a list of things we're waiting for.

Returns out.

I think the Taylor one is something we'll remember.

Like this is like remind us.

It's a personal connection.

Please remind us.

Please remind us.

Yeah, that's not good.

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Caraway, non-toxic cookware, made modern toaster slay seriously thank you i was gonna pass out slayed it slayed 25 seconds over but we're fine it was worth it i had fun it was worth it our fifth and final story is a little rebranding news that means a lot to us because hbo max will live again

Max will be changing its name back to HBO Max after two years ago changing its name from HBO Max to Max.

So they started as HBO Go and then they were HBO Now

and then they were HBO Max.

And then they were Max.

And now they're back to being HBO Max.

And I remember when we reported that they were going from HBO Max to Max, that that was a mistake because HBO, like people die for recognizability like that.

And while yes, Max offers a wide variety of shows that were never on HBO, it's most popular for streaming the white lotus, things that are actively on HBO, Game of Thrones.

Like, I don't know why they ran from it.

And obviously they don't either because they're going back and normalize like undoing something you know i feel like people they spend so much money on rebrands like oh we can't we can't even though it was a mistake like no clearly it was a mistake good on you for like acknowledging it okay i just want to say good on you for nothing fucking stupid this is so stupid that they ever went to max and yes not only that i don't know if you remember this i only remember it because i was cleaning up my apps on my tv recently and i saw max

new app yeah they had i just deleted hbl max they made you download something new are we gonna have to download something new again you're so stupid with your bad shows One more wrong move, and everyone's going to know.

It's true.

We already know.

Yeah, they're going to know.

Guess what?

If you make me download one more app, I'm not going to do it.

That's actually I can live without the white lotus.

I could live without success.

We had the blue app, and then they made us get the purple one.

And we had the black, and I was happy with the black.

No, if they make us redownload another app, which I don't know why you can't change your logo without having a whole new app, that I didn't even think about that, Jackie.

That's a really good point.

I want to see heads roll at HBO HQ.

I want heads on a spike.

I want the name of the person who pushed this through and I want them pushed out the door.

And then I will think about downloading the next app, but not without accountability for all the upheaval you've caused in my life where we just are supposed to applaud them for seeing what a third grader could have seen.

Oh my God, it's like a new show.

Are you smarter than a max executive?

Yes.

I'm cracking up.

No, you're 100% right.

Like normalized.

You're giving them so much grace and they don't deserve it.

I am.

Textbook.

Textbook.

And this episode is brought to you by Hulu, so you guys can eat my ass, okay?

Yeah, they would never do something so fucking foolish.

Innovative.

Yeah, they would never.

No, but I mean, like, Max could never do something as innovative as sponsoring the toast, but I challenge you.

We have spots available.

We actually do.

I'll give you an extra 25 seconds if you change the domain.

No, we won't.

We don't give idiots extra 25 seconds.

It's true.

Oh my God, I'm cracky.

No, you're right.

Not me being so nice.

Like, get on you.

I just feel like sometimes people like make a mistake that's so obvious but like they did it in such a big way they're like well we can't backtrack you know we can't undo this you can yeah but i feel like they're not even saying like we're sorry right they're just being like ha ha oops and they put out a tweet of that marnie quote like okay make fun of the girl who you know tried something new it's like no make fun of the idiot who's an idiot make fun of the billion dollar company who couldn't see what as jackie put it so eloquently what a third grader could say make fun of the billion dollar company that can't hire someone with with two brain cells.

Damn.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

That was crazy.

You think you're going to slip that into the fifth and final?

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

It's such fifth and final story.

It's like fodder, though, you know?

Yeah.

Streaming rebrand.

It's the elk of a fifth and final story.

The fifth story was made for

streaming news.

Streaming rebrand news.

Streaming and or rebrand news.

It's true.

It's true.

Let's dive into the summer house recap, which was last night's episode, the final weekend in the house.

Lexi just like shows up and she's changed her mind and I live for it.

And I feel like some people, what I had seen people saying, which I found really disappointing, was like, they were so team Lexi up until this point, but like last night was like clearly Lexi getting exposed as some sort of liar.

Whereas I had a totally different experience.

Lexi's valid in saying like we just had a whole conversation breaking up.

Sierra didn't come up once.

You go up to recap with everyone and suddenly it's all about Sierra.

And then they're parsing out like obviously had a conversation about Sierra this week at the U.S.

Open and they are describing it entirely differently.

And I just want to say, for everyone's, like, everyone, like, she's so crazy, yada, yada.

Like, Sierra has been like a thorn in their side of their relationship, and they're finally doing better.

And I don't know if they went to the U.S.

Open together, but like taking pictures with a girl who's not your girlfriend, who's like, like, I think it's still inappropriate behavior on Jesse's part.

And I know that's like not cool of me to say like, what?

Like, Sierra didn't do anything.

No, Sierra didn't do anything, but like, you're obviously in a new relationship.

You've been accused of being super flirty with this girl.

And I know you care about your friendship with her, but like, do you think it's appropriate when you're like in a relationship to be taking pictures and like hanging out solo with a girl who you said you wish you had hit on last summer?

What's crazy is I agree with you.

And like that, now would be the time to just like have more boundaries between the two of them just because she is like this sticking point.

But that's not even what Lexi said.

What she said was like, literally last weekend, she was yelling at you, calling you Too-Faced loser, like couldn't give two shits about you.

She's mean to Wes and she's been mean to him all summer, and that's his best friend.

And I don't know how that's not a bigger issue between all of them.

That like everything's about Jesse and CR.

And it's like, wait, what about Wes but he's just so happy to not be yelled at that he's not gonna

start complaining but so she's like as your partner like this was a person who was mean to you two days ago and then I and it upset you and it hurt you and you said I dislike them and then to see you with them it it does make you look like a liar and I'm in protective mode of like we're like we're not about this person right now so then I have to flip a switch because you just did but like that's not how most people operate a thousand percent and so it's either like one of these two people is lying and like their version of the truth is just so different and so I don't know who I'm inclined to believe, but it's not Jesse, right?

Like this is a person who has been dishonest with Lexi all season long.

And then last night I watched Rappins Live, like literally he was asked kind of a harmless question.

It was like, Wes, did you feel any type of way seeing Jesse like drunk mad that Lexi was allegedly flirting with you?

And Jesse was like, I never said that.

And both Andy and Wes were like, yeah, you did.

It's literally on camera.

Like we're not mad, but like, why are you lying?

Like, it was such a random thing to lie about that I'm like, I'm not inclined to believe you as a truth teller.

Yeah.

I think that when Lexi and Jesse talk sometimes, and I think this happens in a lot of relationships, like where she says one thing and he hears another thing.

So then he tells the group what he heard, but that's not what she said.

And I felt like her reactions last night, like really, unless she's a complete sociopathic liar, in which case I stand no chance against her.

Right.

We're just victims.

I'm just watching it.

And she's like an actress for the ages.

But her reaction to when Kyle brought up Sierra and she was like, wait, was genuine.

She was, she wasn't even like putting on, she was just confused.

Like, what about Sierra?

Like, what does that have to do with anything?

And then at the table, like, I felt like nothing that they said

she never for one second looked guilty or like oh my god i can't believe you told them what she got like caught in some sort of lie she didn't right so i'm with her i think she's been more consistent than jesse i trust her version of events more than jesse's what i do want to know and i'm sure she could answer the question if i get a chance to ask her

is

she said over the summer she caught him in a lot of little lies now of course there's togate and sierra flirt gate but i feel like there were other things during the week other like just little omissions that she had noticed that she's also talking about.

And I just would like to know like some examples.

And even whether or not he got a manicure is irrelevant.

And I don't think she was saying that he didn't get a manicure.

She was just saying she felt.

When you ask someone a question and they tell you something and you can't believe them, that's not a person you should be with.

And like now she knows that.

I feel like also people will probably try and make something of the fact that she either should have broken up with him after

the season.

No, no, no.

Like not like I feel like you could say that it was a little like thirsty.

So that's what people had said.

I was team Lexi but it seems like she just wanted the relationship to run its course the entire season and the second the show ends on the last weekend she's breaking up with him which no I don't agree with either I don't agree with that I understand why she didn't want to lead him on all weekend and then break up with him next week I also understand why she didn't break up with him on a Thursday like we are doing a show we have been the main storyline and like let's just put it together and when everyone is involved in the house sometimes like Yeah, you don't want to have conversations in front of everyone, but like this dinner table conversation needs to happen because

when it's a game of telephone, it's like, let's all sit down and talk and I can hear what you said about me and you can hear what I think about you.

No, and like Lexi feels so alienated from the girls.

She blames Jesse for that.

Jesse feels like Lexi's a liar and hates Sierra and like Lexi and Sierra like really have never talked.

This is long overdue.

And I like that she came in kind of guns blazing, like defending herself, because it kind of is her against everyone.

Like they, there aren't sides, but the girls like Jesse.

Yeah, and they like Sierra.

And if it's turning into Lexi versus Sierra, which more and more offline it is, like this during the season, I think you could say, well, they are not having no issue, but they clearly have an issue.

There's clearly like this underlying tension.

And then the rest of the year, like it gets bigger and it's going to blow up at the reunion.

And she said, don't talk about me and all this stuff.

So I think it all does need to be said out in the open.

And I think Lexi's handling herself really well for someone who's coming in season one, kind of friendless.

Yeah, Bailey got so cut out.

I literally forgot about her.

At least she has Lindsay and Gabby, but they're not going to speak up to to defend her because they have no idea what she is.

They barely know her.

She's really on an island of her own.

Yeah.

And I think that she's handling herself well.

So I feel bad for her.

I do think that she really liked Jesse.

And something that people say that bothers me, it's like, this was always fake.

They have no, where's the chemistry?

Where's...

I've never seen two people so obsessed with each other.

Like from the minute they met, it was like sparks flying.

Agreed.

I don't, I don't agree with a lot of what people are saying.

Like, are we watching the same show?

They can't keep their hands off each other.

1,000%.

The other thing I wanted to say is I felt like everybody was like really being dramatic and not understanding Lindsay's Instagram post at all.

Like I did not think it was weird.

And like, yeah, it was this major moment for her.

And she wasn't even talking so much about the breakup.

She's talking about all the things she's accomplished in the year since and how like a year, if you had told her, you know, you're, this is the worst day of your life, but in a year from now, you're going to be so happy, pregnant, like literally filling your dreams.

Like everybody, Carl so butt her.

Like, and everybody was like gassing him up.

Like, it was weird.

Like, it really, I didn't think it was so weird.

People who weren't being like Carl about it were just being so shady towards her.

Like, Amanda, like, I read your, your book.

Yes.

So shady.

Don't be fucking rude.

Agreed.

Like, this is a monumental moment.

And I don't know, like, Lindsay at this point can do no wrong for me.

She can do no wrong for me too, but also, like, she is pregnant.

I do think that she has a

fancy to have a long Instagram caption.

It's not like she's always been short and sweet and chose today to write a novel.

Like, I think she, that's the type of social media user that she is.

She's being reflective.

Like, what's, and it happened to fall on a Friday.

Like, I'm sure if it happened on a Wednesday, she would have she didn't meet like it put to post it an hour before coming into the house but that's how it shook out no and also even when she was like making her speech it wasn't even derogatory towards carl it was like we're both better off like it's good i don't know they were like really looking for something there wasn't anything there yeah like i was like what's the big fucking deal you just let her like be and she let her be she's so funny like you're just never

not funny so i'm never gonna be on your side no i mean carl rolling up in his mobile

mobile bar excuse me me.

His mobile burp, yeah.

Yeah, I literally burped

his mobile bar.

That was like a low for humanity, yeah.

But at least, like, that truck looks good compared to ten thousand dollars a month for the next

two.

Yeah, it's a nice truck, yeah.

Keep the truck, go around.

It's not liquor, so you don't need a license, it's like a little ice cream truck.

Yeah, everyone wants a little refreshment in the summer, thousand percent.

Park it outside of Surf Lodge.

Here you are, Claudia.

Here you are.

That's like me at the beginning of the show.

Join the man with us and be present.

Be present.

Here you are.

Now I need to go to soft bar to become present.

You're kind of like a target demo.

You don't drink.

The thing is, I'm the target demo and I wouldn't want to go.

That's a problem.

You couldn't get Jackie within 100 feet of software.

Not even because it's Carl's.

Like, no, I know.

Well, for, like, well, yes, because it's Carl's, but also because it's a terrible idea.

Who would I go with?

Who would go with me?

If I even

drink?

Right.

Nobody wants to go there with kids.

It's true.

They shouldn't.

Honestly, if it's a bar because it's soft bar, obviously they don't serve alcohol.

They shouldn't allow kids in, right?

Right.

It's supposed to be like an adult elevated experience.

It's very problematic, this soft bar.

To put it mildly.

Yeah.

So I think we probably have one more episode.

Next week's a season finale.

And then the reunion, which I've heard was great.

So it's been a good season.

And for everyone being like, and also, don't forget, on the season finale, we're going to get like Paige and Craig.

Oh, yeah.

But for everybody being like, enough, Lexi and Jesse.

Like, honestly, thank you.

What the hell would we be talking about?

Kyle Sperm?

Like, it's the only thing that happened this season.

Like, they're the only people who brought it.

No, it's really true.

What would have happened?

Maybe Samuel would have done something.

Imrule.

It's time to talk to Imruel.

I should have him on for Jackson Blank.

It would just be a silent episode.

But like, I do look forward to hearing from Imruel at the

beginning like, I do need to, I hope he's not here next season.

No, he's, Jaggie's not.

But we do need to close the book on Imrule.

A thousand percent.

They cut him out of last week's episode.

You know, he was in the house.

He was.

Yeah.

i saw um like people putting it together on social media like he was fully in the house

why cut him out i don't know it's like more work like i literally don't know maybe they didn't want to pay him like you can't be that pricey so true editor's work was probably more pricey so crazy if they didn't want to pay him

oh my god

like to me he's up there with benji on a stick of like horrible reality tv that warms my heart yeah like sometimes you just have to like kind of look away or like squint

but like it's so bad it's good

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in this era of this time goodbye goodbye goodbye you were bigger than the whole sky

You are more than just a short time.

This one lasted pretty long, this era.

Yeah.

I got a lot to pine about.

I've got a lot to think about.

I'm never gonna meet what could have been, would have been, what should have been you.

Love ya.

Bye.

Tears.

Tears.