Stronger Than Expected: Thursday, December 5th, 2024

Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday.

We made it to the second half of the week.

I'm in a better mood.

Hey, Jax.

How you doing?

Yay.

Would you say it feels like a Dursday or a Thursday?

Thursday.

I don't know.

It's a little Dursey because it is, actually.

We have so much going on today, culminating with you coming to my house for chicken parm.

Not only that, it definitely feels like a Dursday.

And I meant to bring this up yesterday but it was happening while i was recording and i don't know if anybody heard and today you might hear all day yesterday helicopters all throughout the city there is a manhunt like everyone i know is like really taking the manhunt really seriously that there was a shooting of a ceo in new york and the guy like ran and so now everyone's out in the streets there's cops everywhere every street is closed there was helicopters whirring all day yesterday so

i don't think the shooter is like looking for any of us but like it is crazy to have like a shooter on the loose So it is.

So in that sense, it's giving Durs Day.

So if you hear helicopters, I am going to run today's audio through like a background noise reducer.

Through a helicopter manhunt reducer.

Yeah.

I don't know if they have that setting on my program, but that's what that is.

It's also Durs because usually the Redheads come out first Thursday of the month in the morning, but we're actually recording today because the Redheads are hard to get all in one place.

They're mumbling.

They will be coming out.

They're podcasters.

They're business owners.

They're executives.

Like they can't get it.

They're satchels.

They can't.

You know how hard it is to nail down a satchel?

I saw, I got a piece of satchel last night.

Last night?

Yeah.

Oh, at Soto.

Yeah.

And I'm wearing my Soto merch.

You guys know, like, I'm obsessed with the Soto Method.

Let me just show you guys my new sweatshirt.

Sodo method by Parky?

Yeah, by Parky.

I work out, well, not these days, but like I do.

Did once.

Once upon a time.

Once.

No, no, I didn't mean one time.

Once upon a time.

Yeah, about 15 months ago, I committed my life to fitness exclusively via the Soto method, which is actually, I have to give credit to Jackie.

She introduced me to her friend Hillary from college, who started the Soto Method.

She's kind of like my best friend now.

I think like we would say, like, she's my friend.

No, like, yeah, you're closer.

You see her more and you're closer with her now, but the originator.

Yeah.

You're friends with Hillary by way of me.

Correct.

By way.

I know.

I saw videos from the event last night.

She's also pregnant.

She has shared with.

with twins, right?

Yeah, she's pregnant with twins and she's like leading this fitness empire teaching classes.

She's making me so nervous.

She's literally an inspiration to women.

Like, I want to see her on the Hollywood power of women.

Like pregnant with twins leading a fitness class, like not stopping gorgeous, most gorgeous woman in the world.

So she had a party last day because she opened her very first like flagship studio.

She's been doing these pop-ups all over the city and they're so popular.

So she's like an official space in Tribeca and she gave a speech.

And first of all, everyone was crying.

Like it was, she just had a bunch of people she needed to target, like her chief of staff, her husband, her parents, like her brother, like everyone.

And she's such an amazing speaker.

She didn't have like, you know, anything written down or anything.

And everyone was crying.

And then she was like, I know people look at me and they're like, in awe, you know, I'm eight months pregnant.

I have literally eight pounds of baby.

The babies weigh eight pounds right now.

And like they're pushing on my gallbladder.

And she's like, and I know everybody thinks like, I'm so crazy and like how hard it is.

She's like, and that's life.

Like life is hard, but you can do harder things.

So like, she was basically telling everyone to like, do more.

I was like, oh, work harder.

Yeah.

I was like, uh, no, okay.

I love that.

And then I got to see Satchy because Satchi was there too.

So it was really nice to just be out with my Satch.

Well, I'll be talking to Satchi for about 75 minutes uninterrupted except by Dana and Rebecca this afternoon.

I finished our book for the Redheads last night, Shred Sisters.

Oh, Dana, she knows how to pick them.

In a good or a bad way.

In like in a Dana way.

Like she keeps us literary.

Like,

I would never have read this book.

I didn't, it flew by.

Like, it was one of those books that's just, I don't know what the point is.

We're just passing the passage of time.

I think it's about the passage of time and sisterhood.

And also, a thing that they kept saying in the book is about two sisters who are so different, like me and you.

Just kidding.

not like us at all.

But they kept saying, like, no one will ever love you more than a sister or hurt you more than a sister.

And like, people say that about sisters.

Not my sisters.

That's not true.

Not my sister.

That, no.

No, I don't like that at all.

Remember, even when we read Good Sister, it's like there's always this trope, like the sister, it's like, you know, the best and the worst to have.

No, like.

It's just the best.

No, not for everyone.

Like, yeah, there are examples, but like these over, these sweeping generalizations don't apply to everyone.

No, everything is different for everyone all the time, but like they just say, that's like the fact about sisterhood.

It's like sometimes you love it, sometimes you screw sisterhood.

And that's just not been my experience.

So I just want to like shed light on the fact that like that's not a universal truth.

Unless you're Victor Garber, of course.

But then it's screw sisterhood all the time.

Correct.

You don't get that love.

I'm so excited to come down to your house.

You know, I feel like the last couple of times I've come to visit you, I've just been like, oh, yeah, I'm going to my sister's, whatever.

But whenever I come to you in like the dead of winter, it really is like exemplifies why people move to Florida.

Like I totally get it.

It's so unenjoyable here between the manhunt and the 20 degree weather.

Like I gotta go.

So that's like something I'm looking forward to.

And we have Gizno.

We have family time.

I'm very excited.

Yeah, it's gonna be a really fun weekend.

The weather here is like so pargy for us because it's there's a chill in the air, but it'll be like hot for you.

Winds in the east.

A chill coming in.

And it's gonna be a great weekend.

Tomorrow we'll be together in front of the flamingos.

Yeah, doling out queenie and weenie.

Queenie and weenie.

What a long week.

I know.

Think about it.

How were the stories today?

They actually were stronger than expected.

S-T-E.

I like that.

Mm-hmm.

Stronger than expected.

And so I guess that's what we did last night.

Sodo and shred.

Sodo and shred.

Shred and soda.

Yeah.

What else did I do last night?

I made a soup.

Because like I said, there's a chill.

We've got so many noses in the house.

Oh, good.

Great.

Oh, yeah.

You'll be fine.

It's literally like just a runny nose.

I'm really excited to see you and Liv and the kids.

Like, have the kids been talking?

Is everyone just being like, Koju's is coming.

Let's wrap presents and give her stuff.

Is that what they're saying?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're definitely saying that they're excited that Romeo's coming.

Bruno is like getting his crate ready for two.

I guess he needs a crate.

I mean, Romeo can sleep in Bruno's crate.

Bruno doesn't sleep.

And that was just

a little joke.

No, no, but you reminded me.

Romeo, I've never traveled with Romeo before.

I've never brought him to your house.

And we also do also have a spare crate.

Okay, good.

Romeo's ever been to my house.

I don't think so.

Oh, he's in for a treat.

Yeah, and he's like, he's going to freak when he sees a backyard.

Like, he's going to be like, wow, my cousins live like this, and I live in squalor in Manhunt, NYC.

I'm going to say that.

Well, you know, if the plane won't let him on the return flight home, that's okay, too.

Imagine.

I just gave up Romeo.

By the way, I could never.

I haven't even really talked about my journey with Romeo in recent weeks.

You know, it was a slow start for me and Romeo.

Let me tell you,

there's nobody like him.

Like, he is, I actually,

and I said this to Ben, and Ben doesn't like when I compare Romeo and Theo.

I actually might love Romeo more.

No, no, no, but the thing, the thing is, is that I so specifically was setting out to find a dog who was a carbon copy clone of Theo that I actually now think of Romeo and Theo as the same dog.

So, I like the love that I had for Theo just transferred.

What's Romeo's birthday?

December 16th.

And what day did Theo pass?

Like, me and Ben thought this.

We thought that they might have crossed like on the same day and we were like, no, or he's a reincarnated spirit.

They, okay, so Theo was dying when Romeo was born.

So I think that Theo maybe had one leg in the other universe, met Romeo.

Theo died after September, December 16th.

No, he died early December.

Yeah, wait, hold on, hold on.

I'm getting my dates right.

I think there's probably like a week.

How long does it take to reincarnate?

Do you have to be born on the same day?

I'm not completely sure.

I feel like there's a few days of like, you know, soul passage.

I think he's the reincarnated spirit.

I'm trying to find, just give me a second, because me and Ben.

Take your time.

December 14th

was when Romeo was born.

Oh, okay.

And then I could tell you, because we did this one's for do episode.

But that was the day after where we took the day off.

December 8th.

Okay.

One week.

One week.

Exactly.

December 7th, Theo died.

December 14th, Romeo was born.

I believe it takes one week to prepare the soul for reincarnation.

For that significant passage of time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Me and Ben have talked this story.

So I feel like when I'm looking at Romeo, like, I don't even feel guilty about having so much love for him.

Like, it's literally Theo.

Like, I did, I did what I set out to accomplish, which was like literally clone my dog.

They look exactly alike.

Copy paste.

Yeah.

Like I pass a picture of Theo in the fridge and it looks, to me, it's Romeo.

That's so sweet.

Bill, I'm so excited to see dear Romeo.

And Ben, is Ben flying with you?

Of course not.

You know, he loves to take a separate flight.

It wouldn't be a trip to your home if me and Ben did not take separate flights.

He has an event tonight and I wanted to come tonight.

So it's a Southern Charm premiere, which he's really excited about.

So that's awesome.

Yeah.

And like Spritz is like, you know, it's like a whole thing.

So Southern Charm is on tonight.

Oh my God.

I'm so excited.

Even though I didn't finish watching last season, but I think I'm just going to jump right in because

if I wait, I'll never watch it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they have all these new cast members.

So I think what's past is past.

That's what's significant about the passage of time.

Well,

as we've said so many times with our annoying, you know, non-events that we have so much going on today, I think we should get into the stewing.

Me too.

Let's start stew.

So, not stew, beef stew.

Do you want beef stew while you're here?

Should I add beef chunks?

I don't.

I'm going going to.

Anything else you want to request?

Because I have to get the meat, you know?

Just like have meat, you know, for when I decide what I want.

Like asking me what I want today for tomorrow is fruitless.

No, no, but like what are what are in general, like what are you craving?

Seriously, all I eat is pizza.

Like frozen pizza, pizza bagels, pizza from the street.

Like I'm running on pizza.

But is that what you're because it's what you're craving or it's just easy and filling?

It's easy.

It's filling and it's not freeze.

So it's like protein.

It's like a salad.

It doesn't gross you out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's not necessarily what I'm in the the mood for.

Okay, well, you could take a look at the recipe book.

Oh my God.

You got your menu items.

I'm so sorry.

I can't believe I did a whole recap.

Yesterday I saw Mark.

Mark Schoenwetter.

You have a lot of marks in your life, if you know you know.

I do.

No, I saw the only mark in my life.

It was Mark Schoenwetter.

For those who don't know, like three years ago, this girl from my high school texted me, we like kept in touch and she runs like a production company.

She's like, I'm putting together this video series where I'm putting, like, pairing like celebrities, influencers with different Holocaust survivors to make a video that will share like each day of Hanukkah.

It'll be like a different celeb.

And I was like, duh, love.

She introduced me to like who I would be speaking with.

His name was Mark.

And we met at a studio downtown and I interviewed him.

And let me tell you, like I fell in love with him from the minute I met him and we've become best friends ever since.

Like also with his family.

He has like two daughters and a ton of grandkids who are like toasters and like college age.

So like we love.

And he's from New Jersey and we're just, we're literally best friends.

Like we talk all the time.

And now we started to do that video every year.

Like the series no longer exists.

Just like me and Mark, it's kind of like become Hanukkah staple and everybody really looks forward.

And every year when we release the video, we raise money for his foundation.

He has a foundation called the Mark Schoenmetter Holocaust Education Foundation where they give grants.

Like any teacher, if you're a teacher, you can go on his website, apply, because there's no Holocaust curriculum and like public schools don't have funding for like textbooks or anything.

So they give out grants.

Like people will apply and they choose people to give grants for like buses to museums.

curriculum education.

Holocaust education.

And it's really, really powerful.

And I know so many toasters who are teachers have applied and some of them have even gotten the grants.

And so it's a small foundation, but we're getting bigger.

And every year we raise money when me and Mark do a video.

Small money.

I think we've raised like $200,000 in the last couple of years.

So we filmed our video, our annual Hanukkah video.

We made soufkadi yot, which is like the traditional Hanukkah treat.

It's basically a jelly donut.

It's so good.

We went to like the famous breads bakery and baked them together.

And I don't know if I like shared, just kind of like big news with me.

I don't know, did I share this?

Mark actually, his daughters, a couple of months ago, they asked me,

yeah, me, to be a board member of their organization, which never been on the board of anything before.

It just felt, it felt powerful.

I was like, oh, okay, board.

We have a meeting next week.

It is.

They don't ask like slobs to be on the board.

No, it's like actually really serious.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

So when I was sharing that I was with Mark, I wanted to share because so many people were like, oh my God, what was Mark's reaction to your pregnancy?

And I actually forgot to share that when Mark found out I was pregnant, he left me a voicemail.

And it was seriously, like I actually can't even listen to it too many times.

It like makes me so emotional.

It was the sweetest thing ever.

And I'm going to play it for everyone because

it's too sweet.

It's too sweet.

Let me get

Claudia and Mark greater than Ben and Alex Gordon-Shelly.

It's like not even a comparison.

Okay, you guys ready?

Like, seriously, get your tissues.

It's the sweetest thing.

Hi, Claudia.

This is Mark Schonwetter.

First of all, and the most important thing,

I want to say congratulations.

I am so happy to hear that you're going to be a mommy.

All the best to you.

Hopefully, we will see each other soon.

And all the best again.

Feel well, do things well.

And congratulations.

Talk to you soon.

Bye.

Feel well, do things well.

Do things well, bitch, okay?

Yeah, like that's.

You know what he's saying.

Of course I do.

That's literally some of the best advice I've ever received.

I agree.

I love him.

So stay tuned for that video.

You guys are going to quake when you see what we got into.

Ooh, I'm excited.

Have you ever been to the back of a bakery?

Like, no.

No.

Let me tell you, Jackie, it's...

It's like seriously the most amazing place you could ever be.

Like, there's just like food everywhere.

And I know they had to be a good one.

Is there really?

Yes.

Like, I feel like it's one of those things where it's like it's just there's flour everywhere yes okay fine there's not like not actually edible goods and edible goods are in the front where there's powdered sugar there's dough it's like seriously like a fairyland and I guess like I know they had to I know they had to like clean the whole place after I left because I was like putting my finger in everything being like yum what's this

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What can I

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Our first story, a little social media drama, Maddie Healy stepped in it by going to Twitter War with Azalea Banks.

So after a heated social media exchange between Maddie Healy and Azalea Banks, he says he'll stick to music.

He said, guys, I don't have the right kind of intelligence/slash emotional maturity, et cetera, for social media.

I literally just end up saying stuff that I immediately regret, et cetera.

I'm actually just going to stick to music because I'm good at that.

Having manic episodes on Twitter at 35 is kind of pathetic.

So

this started because

Azalea Banks called out Charlie XTX, who is engaged to his bandmate.

Yes.

I didn't know that.

And I also know that she's friends with Maddie's fiancé, good friends.

Yeah, no, it's like a 1975, like, you know,

groupie type of thing.

So I knew that.

So him defending her wasn't shocking to me.

But Azalea, like, you know, she likes to take swings at people who literally aren't even like talking to her.

And so she did that.

And I think most of the time she expects nobody to respond, but somebody made her responding.

And she took the opportunity to eviscerate this man.

And seriously, I think Taylor Swift is going to send her flowers.

Like she came for his teeth, his music, his life, his family, his fiancé.

What he first said, because she was like talking about Charlie XTX looks.

And he said, Azalea, you seem to have a blind spot when it comes to your reads.

All the women you attack seem to be culturally relevant, attractive, divisive, and nice people.

Divisive confused me.

It's he it confused him too because he used the wrong word.

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

He said, I think this makes you jealous because you're so talented, but everything about everything else about you is a failure.

Just rap, bro.

So he was defending his friend and he also, like, in turn, like...

He also then attacked back, which I think was his first mistake because like he awoke the beast of Azalea.

And she then went on to like berate him.

And that's why the tweet you just read, he was like, listen, I didn't want to never mind.

Yeah.

No, he

regrets having started with her because she ate him alive.

She ate him up.

Yeah, there are so many tweets.

She talks about his fiancé, Gabriette.

He said, the bitch looks like Frankenstein to me.

You both look like you share needles, L-M-A-O.

Then she also went in.

She did a whole dissertation on his teeth and like gingivitis and

he dealt dental health

and then she also threatened to sue Healy and leaked DMs in which he apologized to her she concluded by attacking the Maddie Healy for quote getting fined four million dollars for kissing a man on stage in Malaysia doing a Nazi salute watching violent porn being a heroin addict writing shitty songs randomly attacking black women and capping for trash white bitches who's that is that lying for trash white bitches capping capping Capping is lying.

Yes, it is.

Oh, well, cap.

Like, no cap.

I'm not lying.

Oh, but he was capping.

He was capping.

I don't know what all of this is referring to.

All I know is, like, if I ever end up in a place where Azealia Banks is ever talking about me on her social media, like, actually take me out back and shoot me.

I couldn't handle it.

Like, Azealia Banks, I love you.

I respect you.

I bow down.

Please never.

May this type of beef never find me.

Yeah, it's so, it's so true.

So he's.

And you know himself from this narrative, one in which he actually started.

But at the end of the day, like, I can't fault him for just wanting to defend his friend.

Like, this is his friend's fiancé.

I'm sure they know each other really well, him and Charlie.

His mistake was also like retaliating and trying to, you know, take digs at Azalea, calling her, like, not relevant.

And, you know,

because they're beautiful women.

Yeah.

So that was a mistake.

Maybe she wouldn't have like came for him so hard if he just was defending his friend.

Yeah, if he was just like, I think Charlie XIS is a beautiful woman.

Never looked women.

Never looks better.

Right, right.

like it's and anyone who falls in the hair crosshairs of azalea banks like has my utmost sympathy maddie healy is not like a sim like a sympathetic person i i i just like i i have a hard time feeling bad for him so just like sorry yeah like s-r-y that sucks i don't know if azalea and lird are going to be exchanging pleasantries like even though technically like the enemy of my enemy is my friend yeah there's a lot of politics at play here yeah

so

that was

a lot.

Yeah, Azalea Banks is really interesting to me.

Yeah.

And I feel as though she speaks the truth a lot.

Like,

she has been at the center of a lot of, I mean, Elon and Grimes, like, that was literally her.

She was the one like living with them, right?

Yeah.

So, and I feel like, even though she isn't really like, not to sound like Maddie Healy, she's not like super relevant in terms of like music making.

I feel like she gets like into rooms that other people aren't in.

And then she like literally blows up the room.

Yeah.

She's so she's so interesting.

She's an interesting cat.

I wonder why nobody has done like a full feature on Azalea Banks.

Like she actually moves the needle culturally.

Yeah.

Maybe that's coming.

Maybe after Paper Magazine type or interview mag, you know, like those sort of artsy ones.

Yeah.

I mean, maybe they, maybe they have, but are you reading interview mag?

No, but there would be big headlines.

Like, and especially because I always have other celebrities too.

It would be like Azalea Banks by Grimes.

Right.

And she's so quotable.

She is.

No, her reads are like seriously.

Why did he call him his dentist?

They're expert level reads.

Like seriously, they're very eloquent.

They're not the typical like, yet ugly.

No, she, they're deep cuts.

She seriously, it's an art the way she does it.

It's quite beautiful when it's not you.

Yeah, agreed.

And please, God, may it never be me.

Well, our next story, speaking of the lured universe,

the lurediverse.

Actually, I guess now lured and turd.

We're getting very close.

Perfect.

But Amy Adams is reacting to a petition that would cast her as Taylor Swift's publicist in a biopic.

So if the Swifties have anything to say about it, Amy Adams might just have her next role lined up.

After a fan theorized that Amy would win an Oscar for her portrayal of Taylor Swift's publicist, Tree Payne, in a potential biopic, the Six Time Academy Award nominee reacted to a petition for the fantasy casting.

She said on the tonight show starring Jimmy Fallon.

She said that would be amazing.

That would be so fun.

I mean, if it got closer, if it got me closer to Taylor, then that would be fun.

LOL.

That's really funny because Tree Payne is like a, you know,

famous redhead.

And so when you think of like, who would play you in a film?

There's only a handful of people, Isla Fisher and Amy Adams and Jessica Chastain.

But I guess the Swifties have chosen Amy Adams.

I have no problem with this.

Yeah, I've never really like looked at a lot of pics of Tree Payne.

I didn't even realize like she's

us.

She's a redhead.

She's also like a tall, slender, she looks like a model.

Like she's gorgeous.

Yeah.

When she is in these rooms, I bet some people think she's famous.

Like that's how pretty she is.

How did her and like her?

How did they meet?

You know what?

I actually don't know, but there is a, there is a point in Taylor's career where

tree pain enters and everything changes.

Like there was such a shift.

And

Tree is really responsible for the whole, you know, Easter egg universe, the mystery.

Like that's all Tree Pain.

Taylor Nation.

Yeah.

Like that's all Tree.

So I actually would love a movie or like some sort of documentary.

It couldn't happen now.

It would need to happen like in 100 years.

Yeah.

But it is really interesting.

Like she's very smart and she doesn't have other clients.

Like she's not a publicist.

Even the biggest celebrities, they all share a couple of the same publicists.

Tree Payne exclusively works for Taylor.

I would love to know how much she gets paid.

It's at least a million dollars a year.

Like she doesn't do any other work.

Like Tree is for Taylor and that's it.

Yeah.

Which is very uncommon for a publicist.

Yeah.

You get paid monthly by like a bunch of different people.

Right.

I think she makes a lot more than that.

You think she makes more than a million dollars a year?

100%.

How much do you think?

Five, ten?

Because she's also, she's obviously a publicist, so she handles all of Taylor's like media relations, but she's also like an advisor to Taylor.

I think Taylor like trusts her strategy.

Like, how much would you pay a C-suite executive?

Right, right.

Of a billion dollars.

Yeah, it's actually so true.

You pay them like $60 million a year.

Yeah.

I would love to know.

Or is it like a typical publicist retainer?

How many?

No, but maybe like, you know, you get paid per month.

That's what, how publicists work.

And a celebrity, most celebrity publicists, I feel like, are between like $8,000 and $10,000, $12,000 a month.

Maybe Tree's getting $100K a month.

Oh, sure.

I don't know what the payout,

like, what her billing cycle looks like.

Right.

If she's on salary.

Yeah.

Or if she's a contractor.

Do you think she has health insurance with Taylor?

Like things like that?

Great question.

No, I'm sure she has her own company with like staff that like,

I don't know.

This is what the biopic would dig into.

What sort of, what's the health insurance policy?

And I love that Amy Adams' game.

Yeah.

Cute.

Maybe one day.

That is how things start sometimes, like as like an internet joke.

But I wouldn't find it, like, I would find it hard to believe if they released it now.

Like, and also I feel like no one's writing up Tree Pain's biopic.

Like, she would have to write a memoir or something, like memoirs of a tree.

Oh, my God.

I would love that.

Right.

And then that could be adapted.

I just don't think like someone's going to go start like shadowing Tree.

That's not going to happen.

I would also love to know what Tree's career was like prior to working with Taylor.

Like how do you even get on the desk of Taylor Swift?

Maybe she was working for a publicist firm

on Taylor's account and then went in-house.

She has been the exclusive publicist of Taylor Swift since 2014.

She went to the University of Southern California and she was a Pi Beta Phi sorority.

So she began her career as an intern.

Oh, I guess she worked all in music.

She worked at a British label.

Then she worked in a marketing manager at a different label and then an executive assistant at A ⁇ R.

And then,

yeah.

In 1995, she joined Interscope Records as a West Coast Marketing and Artist Development rep.

She worked with No Doubt, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, et cetera.

Then she left to start her own street marketing company, retaining Bonnie Rait as her first ever client, the country star.

Like, she's like an old school country swirly, Bonnie Rait.

She has big red hair.

Do you know her?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Over the years, her client roster grew to include labels like Warner Records, Capital Records, oh wow, London Recordings, 143 Recordings.

In 99, she merged her company with Immortal Records and created IR Street Marketing.

She then took a position at WME in Beverly Hills, where she met Gail Holcomb, the vice chairman of the ACMs.

So then she became...

began getting hired by the ACMs in 2002 to oversee media, radio, marketing, and the academy.

2007, she joined Warner Music Nashville.

Oh, okay, This was her last job.

Okay.

She joined Warner Music Nashville as VP for Publicity.

In 2013, she was promoted to senior vice president of publicity.

She oversaw all publicity for Warner Music Group's country and Christian divisions.

So then publicity.

In 2014, Payne announced that she was leaving Warner Music, starting her own firm, Premium PR.

Her first and only client was Taylor Swift.

The rest is her story.

Oh, whose publicist, prior publicist, who she had worked with for seven years.

Taylor's prior publicist was named Paula Erickson.

She resigned.

So all good.

Yeah.

And the rest is her story.

That is so interesting.

Not to spoil the biopic or the memoir, but there you go.

There you have it.

So she's really like, she kind of reminds me a lot of Bose from Real Housewives, like really climbing the corporate ladder, became the VP of Warner Music, and that's where she met Taylor.

She doesn't remind me of her at all, but...

Why?

She had like a million jobs at like high-profile companies.

Yeah.

And she was probably like extremely well paid as the head of publicity.

How old is she?

She

does

not look as old as her resume.

She was, where's her birthday?

1971.

Oh, but this is weird.

Have you ever seen this?

Tree Payne, born 1971 or 1972.

I love that for her.

Keep them guessing.

So she's in her 40s.

Our age is too available.

Thank you.

She's 53.

Never mind.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

That looks amazing.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm.

Megan and Harry, there's a lot of rumors swirling about Megan and Harry.

They've been at separate events and Harry is addressing the divorce rumors, like sort of in New York City.

But she was supporting Tyler Perry at an LA event this week and he was in New York.

They haven't been, they posted that video a while ago, but there's been a lot of like divorce rumors about them.

There always is.

I never take them seriously.

Yeah.

I don't, not that this feels different.

And I also feel like even if they are going to get divorced, like they won't.

No, although I do want to say I do ship Megan and Tyler Perry he was so there for her in her time of need billion dollar homes um

and I think that she would be really happy but I agree I happen to think that a lot of the divorce rumors are overblown but of course sometimes where there's smoke there's fire but if they even if there was like an issue in their marriage like I don't think it would be wise for their businesses but also for like their own psyche to ever really admit to the public that it didn't work out no no two people are more bound to each other than these two Bound for life.

So he dispelled divorce rumors while speaking in New York.

He said, apparently we've bought or moved houses 10, 12 times.

We've apparently divorced maybe 10, 12 times as well.

So it's just like, what?

He went on to say that he feels sorry for internet trolls who look for ways to tear down the pair.

He said it's hard.

Or don't be sorry.

We're having so much fun.

Don't feel bad for us.

We might not have palaces and, you know, but we are having a good time.

We are having fun.

I don't know that they're, that he's having fun i feel like she's having fun she's at an event that's super fun yeah no she's with her boyfriend tyler period

i don't think he's having fun getting tattoos with jelly roll um no he said it's hard to keep up with but that's why you just sort of ignore it their hopes are just built and built and it's like yes yes yes and then it doesn't happen so i feel sorry for them i genuinely do i just want to say i hope

I do not want them to get divorced at all.

That would be the craziest thing.

Not good.

I wouldn't want that.

I hope that they, I hope that they're really happy together, you know, for everything that's

for everything that they, you know, risked.

I hope it worked out.

I'm a, I want a happy ending for these two, and I also want her fucking cooking show, is what I want.

I'm just, I just wanted to make sure I didn't know if Tyler Perry was single, but it's apparently he's been single since 2020.

Interesting.

Right around the time he met Megan.

Literally.

She mixed it in 2020.

She mixed it right right into his heart.

Yeah.

The thing is, is we could

project and guess all we want about these two, but you're right in that they have far too much to lose

business-wise, pride-wise.

I got a million bits.

Pride.

They could never.

So who knows what the hell's going on inside that house?

Yeah, but they really like don't.

They're not together publicly like that much considering they like are public figures and that's the job.

Yeah.

You know, because you could be public a lot, period.

But you could always say, like, you never know what goes on and type.

People don't have to be together, whatever, because I do believe that.

But they're literally like a famous couple.

Throughout history, actually.

They are famous.

They're famous for being a couple.

Yeah.

So the long distances where we don't like see them together and they're not like, do they used to be like.

side by side never without the other which also you know it's good to have space um

but I think maybe I also imagine, like, I imagine it's a hard time for them.

They're sort of finding their feet in this big world

that there was a time where, yes, they were like a famous couple and they were spot, but I think their life has changed so much and they've actually set it up intentionally that they're not photographed as much as they once were.

Like every outing when they were royals was like an official outing, so there was like a million pictures of them.

I think they have kind of designed their life to have like less public appearances, but you're right in the sense that like the last couple of times we've seen both of them, it has been individually.

Yeah.

I do I do see what you're saying about her and Tyler Perry.

And I know there's chemistry there for sure.

And you're always like, you're always going to like feel warm towards the person who rescued you.

It's kind of like the damsel in distress trope.

100%.

Okay.

Keeping an eye out.

Something to think about.

For sure.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes.

Oh, no.

Sorry.

Oh, my God.

Oh.

Oh, my God.

Like, seriously, I'm not okay.

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Carrie Underwood will headline the 2025 New Year's Rock and Eve with host Ryan Seacrest on ABC.

Well, that's crazy because I feel like there are currently really two big New Year's Eve bashes.

Dicks, Rockin', Dick and Clark.

Dicks.

Yeah.

But also Nashville, the big country one, that's like really been coming up recently.

And it's CBS, I think.

And I feel like the last couple of years, we've literally toggled between both channels.

So for Carrie to kind of take a stand, not with country, it's very interesting.

Well, you know, she's an NBC swirly with that.

Oh, no, no.

This is ABC.

And also, she's doing American Idol.

And it's like, yeah, she could be just another country singer or she could join like the nation, be the face of like the nationwide program.

Like she's kind of stepping up.

Elevated past it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She said, bye, losers.

Yeah.

New York.

No, she's taking like mainstream.

I forgot that she's a judge on American Idol coming up.

Yeah, she'll take the stage in New York City's Times Square to ring in 2025 on Dick Clark's New Year's Rock and Eve with Ryan Seacrest on ABC.

In addition, other performers include Megan Maroney.

Love.

Oh.

British singer-songwriter Sophie Ellis Bexter.

I don't know her.

While multi-hyphenate Dianara Torres will return as a co-host in Puerto Rico.

So it'll be a global affair.

A global affair.

Cool.

Did you see Kelly Clarkson last night hosting the Rockefeller Center?

No, I was

like, Tread Sisters.

I recorded it.

So, because I literally want to watch it, but I was out.

I heard she crushed it.

Just absolutely crushed it.

Consummate professional.

NBC is actually, I would say, the best network when it comes to...

finding talent and like really fostering like this is I think the second year Kelly's done it She's obviously a huge part of the NBC family with her show um and then the ogs were of course there like i saw hoda the and savannah you know oh i saw they were celebrating their last one together oh yeah it was bittersweet that is sad the same for the thanksgiving day parade yeah that was hoda's last soiree

damn and the year is ending which means so is hoda's contract like it's coming yeah and

jenna and friends

yeah

Jenna and friends

um well it's great to see big talent at dick's Rock and the family.

I like this.

I think this is a strong choice.

Same, same.

Although the other headliners, I mean, the other performers, like, it was lackluster.

Maybe more.

Maybe more will be announced.

And also, Carrie's going to be singing.

What do young people watch?

Like, I remember when we were growing up, like, it was Dick Clark.

Like, seriously, it was only one channel.

Young people like Gen Z?

Yeah, like, are they not watching cable?

They're out at a party, I think.

No, but still, like, when we were kids, before we were out at a party, what were we watching?

Before we were out.

Okay, so like when we're tweeting, we're watching ABC Dick Clark.

Dick Clark.

So what are the those kids today watching?

I think Dick Clark, because it's what their parents are putting on, right?

I feel, yes, I guess, but I feel like that, like, TikTok does like live streams.

Like, they do live at the Oscars.

They go live everywhere, and they have like their talent host.

I feel like that's what a lot of people watch.

The idea of ringing in the new year, like looking at your phone, just seriously makes me touch.

Horrible.

Seriously.

Turn on the TV.

And there's always CNN, Andy.

There's always CNN.

and that's like a very um

i feel niche like i don't think they have the biggest numbers but they make but they've got to make a lot of news yeah and i think they're bringing alcohol back this year yeah or they're taking it away no they took it away last year and like it was funny but not sustainable

and i believe they've been given the green light to bring it back Okay, cool, cool.

Prohibition is over.

So yeah, well, I'll watch a bit of an each.

I'll watch Carrie.

I'll watch Nashville, depending on commercials.

I probably won't watch CNN, but I will watch the clips.

Like, Andy always goes by when he called Ryan Secrets a loser.

Yeah.

That's when the alcohol was banned after that.

Which I feel, but it was funny.

Right.

Right.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Ah, bidding is such sweet sorrow.

Pete Davidson divulges how much SNL cast members are paid, and it's less than you think.

So in a recent video roundup for New York magazine, the Pete Davidson and SNL co-stars passed and present, a bunch of cast members through the years

were asked, like, what was your biggest splurge after your first SNL paycheck?

So a lot of people answered the question with their answers, which we'll get to.

But he said, do you guys want to know what they pay us?

He said, do you guys know what they pay us?

It's like three grand an episode.

I think I got dinner.

So by his math, a cast member would make about $54,000 to $66,000 per year because just remember.

Because I was just going to Google how many seasons, how many episodes they do.

Yeah, it's not, you know, every single week.

It's

so, but then also it's a platform.

You got other jobs.

So that's not like the only thing that you're doing.

But after your first big paycheck, like you're not really, you know, going and buying a Birkin.

A lot of people, weirdly, a lot of cast members answered that they bought a couch.

That's funny.

Paid rent.

Julia Louis Dreyfus bought a pair of shoes.

Yeah, well, I'm trying to think.

That's the starting salary, right?

Like Keenan is getting what?

10, 20?

Yeah.

And also the people who are like writers and producers, like Colin Jost.

Right.

He wears many hats.

He's like obviously paid as a cast member.

He's on the show, but he writes a lot of the sketches.

He's, I think, is he head writer?

Something.

So yeah, you, I feel like if you're a writer, you actually are on salary.

Right.

And the question is with your first paycheck.

So that's your starting first lowest

paycheck you're going to get.

It's about 3K.

I feel like it has to be a little bit more if you're like, like I think of like a Bo and Yang.

Cause Bo and Yang, he has a podcast, but he had said with Wicked,

you are not allowed to take on other projects while SNL is currently on air.

Like you are, and Ariana called Lauren Michaels and was like, listen, please.

And like they had, I guess they have like a special relationship, Bowen was like, and he got special permission.

But for the most part, like however many weeks it is a year, like you aren't barred from working on anything else.

Yeah.

Well,

no, but I think Bowen's first season, he made the standard starting entry salary.

But then it's like, where you, then you are worth more.

Perhaps everyone has different teams and negotiations.

Yeah.

I never thought of SNL as like a really high-paying job.

No.

I feel like it's one of those jobs I forget whose book.

Oh, it was Keenan's book, where obviously when he got SNL, it was like the craziest thing that ever happened to him.

And that first like year or two was like,

it's not like fun.

And he was also struggling to like stand out.

Like he wasn't booking good, he wasn't getting, writing good sketches.

None of them were getting picked up.

But yeah, it's a dream job, especially for anyone comedy, but I feel like it's not like, you know,

glamorous.

Yeah, and it's not glamorous.

It's like, like

six days in a row, you don't go home.

You're up until four in the morning.

Like it's like gritty.

It's grind.

You're grinding.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So the fact that they're not paid well doesn't surprise me.

These people become movie stars, TV stars.

Sometimes.

Most of the time.

No, actually.

Like, there's a lot of people who have come from SNL, but you think about how many caspates there have been.

It's not a guarantee.

No, it's nothing.

Nothing in life is guaranteed, Turkey.

But like, every time you watch any comedy movie, like all the second and third actors are from SNL.

Like you can get yourself in a movie unless everybody hates you.

In which case you're on yourself.

It's go to to therapy.

Yeah.

So

interesting factoid.

Yeah.

I thought that was it New York or New Yorker magazine?

It was New York magazine.

I thought it was cute.

I don't know what the occasion was, but they got together.

I feel like they keep celebrating an SNL anniversary, like SNL 50 or 40.

450 this year.

I remember SNL 40.

They had that big star-sutted party.

Yes.

So that was 10 years ago.

Why would we remember it so clearly?

I feel like there was something much more recent.

Maybe it was 45.

No, I think they really only celebrate decades.

That would be crazy if they're celebrating every five years.

So in 2014, we weren't even doing the show.

Why would I remember so clearly a party?

I remember, though, SNL 40, like 100%.

What was happening?

Everyone was there.

Adam Sandler.

And I think that was maybe one of the first times I realized how many famous people I know because they started on SNL.

Like I was shocked at, and like Molly Shad and like how every single funny person got their start.

Even this one, I didn't realize Jason Sudeikis was on SNL.

I I did, but he's done so much since then that he has eclipsed.

Sometimes people never, you know, they go on to be famous, but they're always known for what they did on SNL.

Yeah, I feel like Molly Shannon's like that in a, like, in a good way.

But even like Tina Fey and Amy Puller couldn't be more successful.

Like, they're so SNL to me.

Kristen Wigg.

And I guess because they also like still are always swimming in that pool, whereas Jason Sudakis is in other pools now.

Right.

Like Chris Rock was.

Yeah, that's one I don't think about.

Adam Sandler, of course.

I don't think about it.

seth myers

see i don't know i think i think on seth myers actually don't quote me on that there's see there's a lot like it most of the time and a lot of the time like you can have big success so yeah he was oh yeah he did uh got a grind weekend update week oh and yeah that makes sense cool cool all right now of course i'm doing famous snl actors i'm jill farrell that he's so snl even though he's on my rudolph so snl oh mike myers pretty snl that's like ways for right?

Yeah.

Bill Murray.

From Groundhog's Day?

Yes.

Not so SNL, but I mean.

Groundhog's Day.

Yeah.

From, I'm sorry, Caddyshack.

Yeah.

Fred Armison and Andy Sandberg.

Classic.

Andy Sandberg is SNL.

Cecily Strong is SNL, but she also, besides the Tristuka commercials, really didn't do much after leaving.

But like, if she wants a small role in a movie, she's got it.

A thousand percent.

Molly Shannon.

Oh, Tracy Morgan.

pretty snl but eclipsed but i guess he's not an snl because he's tgs yeah he's he's the girly show julia louise is tgs

tgs the girly swirly show

julia wee dreyfus yeah i guess i i don't know if i knew that before i read about the shoes right now i don't know if i knew that either yeah because i think of seinfeld

um and that's that pretty much it for rock no it says robert downey jr

no that's wrong.

Yes, even cast members who didn't have a memorable run on SNL have gone on to great seasons.

Yeah, some people like flop and get fired after a couple of seasons.

Like, yeah.

But they can still have greatness thrust upon them.

Oh, Ben Stiller.

I guess he was like not great on it.

So people don't know him from that, but he's also an Epo baby.

Interesting.

This is like, if you go down, it's like an interesting rabbit hole.

It is.

Even like modern people.

Eddie Murphy.

Yeah, even modern people who like were on five years ago, if they've done something bigger, I kind of forget.

Like, yeah, well, but there's also, we're still like, we're going to, we're like waiting to see a little bit.

Like, what does Kate McKinnon go on to do, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Of course, Martin Short.

Yeah, Robert Downey Jr.

Short-lived.

He only appeared on the show from 85 to 86, one season.

He has continued to consistently work after that starring in different films.

I think he could say that's so crazy.

He's consistently working.

Yeah.

I think you could say that for sure.

Same with Ben Stiller.

I guess he like kind of flopped.

Of course, Chris Farley.

Of course.

And Sarah Silverman.

Oh, she was only on for one season too.

She shit the bed.

That's so interesting.

Yeah.

Hmm.

She only spent one season.

Well, it's also interesting to know, like,

like certain movies, like, or comedy, like concepts were born on SNL.

Like, superstar.

Mary Katherine Gallagher.

Superstar.

We love that movie growing up.

I had no idea.

Yes, I had no idea Mary Catherine Gallagher was an SNL bit turned into a movie.

Yeah.

And I guess it makes sense why Will Farrell was in it.

It's such a good movie.

So good.

Superstar.

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