Vittoria's Secret: Wednesday, October 16th, 2024

Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, I knew I was feeling like a little

humpy in your dumpy.

Let's get it on.

No, I'm feeling more appreciative for the Wednesday because, alas, it feels like a Tuesday.

So true.

It is a Wednesday and we're getting over the hump.

And what's so great for everyone listening is that we have such a long episode today because like actually a lot to discuss.

We have deer toasters.

So by the time you're done with this episode, like the day literally will be over.

The week will be more than halfway over.

And that's amazing.

Yeah.

Are you someone who looks at the week half full or half empty?

It really depends on what I'm going through that week.

Like if I'm feeling grateful for life, you know, and there are some weeks where I just like, I'm, I'm happy and like I, yeah, I have a lot to do and the weeks are long, but like I'm alive and I'm, you know, knockwood healthy.

Like, but then there are some weeks where I hate everyone, everything, and just myself like and I yeah and this week did you say well I wouldn't say I'm feeling

no I wouldn't say I'm feeling like so grateful and blessed this week like it's not one of those weeks but I'm not feeling like depressed

yeah turters turters it's somewhere in the middle

okay that's great what about you that's great um

as in this week or weeks in general Oh my god, this week.

This week is great because it's a short week.

We cannot feel anything other than blessed for the short week and the big weekend coming up.

And I'm so glad my Travi made it to the big game.

One step closer to Kelsey being my last name.

Can you send me that audio file?

How do I find that song?

Somewhere on the web, like the full version actually does exist.

What's it called?

Fortnite AI's version.

Oh.

Is that the same tune as Fortnite?

No, but when she released the track list.

Oh, wait, no.

I'm sorry.

No, no, that's something else.

I'm getting my AI versions confused.

When she released the track list, like a leaked Fortnite came out, and it was like

AI.

Got it.

Okay.

I'll do some due diligence.

I don't know the actual origin stories.

I just know, and I don't know who exactly, we need like a full like expose on this person.

Like, I don't know who generated the AI song.

I don't know like that deep.

I just know somebody made it online.

I don't know who did it, but do more.

But I know the boys who did it.

Even though Taylor literally hates AI and music, she was just saying that.

Oh, wait.

And I feel like she was literally talking about that song.

Did you see Cynthia Rebo's like Instagram story about AI today?

Not about AI.

Oh, yeah, because people were like...

doctoring the wicked poster.

So they released their like official wicked poster, which is like a recreation of the iconic one where it's like Glinda whispering into the ear of Alphabet and Alphabet's hat is like a little like turned down.

Like it's like iconic.

Turned down for what?

And they recreated recreated it and like i'm not gonna lie i'm really excited for the movie and like i thought it stunk it looked like seriously it looked wrong they didn't they put their own spin on it so it wasn't the exact hand placement of the og i don't know it just looked kind of weird and so people like fixed it like they made it how they wanted it to be on ai and then of course they made memes because in the

in the poster it looks like alphabet i mean um glinda is whispering a secret to Glinda.

And so the meme that's going around.

I'm sorry.

Glinda's whispering a secret to to Alphaba.

And the meme that's going around is like Ariana Grande whispering to Alphaba, is your pussy green?

So Cynthia Rebo like made a post about like all the AI generated ones.

Like, and then she said, is your asterisk, asterisk, asterisk green?

Like basically saying, stop.

Like, she found them really offensive.

Like, she made an intentional choice not to look.

Cause in the poster, she's like looking at us.

She's looking Cam right in the eye.

And in the OG, she's sort of like looking down.

Okay.

And so like they made made a few and like Ariana's hand is a little different.

They made a few choices to make it their own and like people hate it.

Like they really hate it.

Okay.

And Cynthia Arriva was like, stop using AI and deepfakes.

Like it's so disrespectful.

Everyone, including Cynthia, like needs to calm down on this.

Like first of all, people who are mad that she's looking Camp right in the eye and that Ari's hand is not like the original poster calm down.

Like hands move, eyes.

Eyes look in different places.

Like people change.

Not a big deal.

You don't need to like go and change the poster.

Now, that is not a funny joke.

I feel like I'm in a classroom, a teacher, like in second grade.

That is not funny to write that on that picture.

I think it is funny.

Sorry.

Like, I guess, like, but that's what the internet does.

What's crazy to me, I didn't see any of this except for Cynthia Arivo's post

telling everyone to stop.

I think it's like so crazy that Cynthia Revo, like, posted about this.

Yeah, I think that like, this is maybe her first time being involved in a project that is so global and so mainstream.

Like, for Ariana Grande, everything she does becomes like an internet meme.

It becomes huge huge news.

I think up until now, Cynthia Rivo, like, really hasn't been in something that has captured the culture so widely.

And it could be a lot.

Like when people are like

making deep fake images of you, like it's jarring, of course.

I have to see these deep fake images.

I'll send them to you.

I mean, some of them are just harmless, but she still really doesn't like anyone like changing her eyes or like her intentional choices, like with the hat and the eyes.

She's like upset at.

She doesn't want it.

Okay.

I won't do it.

Yeah, it was, it was, I was shocked to see her addressing Twitter.

I won't do it.

Yeah, Jackie, if you could stop making deep fake AIs of Cynthia Remo, I would appreciate it.

And I know Ariana would do it.

I'll try my best, but I can't stop making deep fake AIs of Taylored songs.

I know you can.

I won't.

We have an amazing show today.

Let me tell you why.

One, we're together.

Class Wednesday.

It's a close toast.

It's a classic

slice.

Dear Toasters, we have some hilarious submissions today.

Dear Toasters is our weekly advice segment.

So every Wednesday, Jackie and I will take three submissions.

You can write to us via email, deartoasters at gmail.com, or you can head over to our website, the toastpodcast.com slash tour.

Not me, like I'm ticket.

Sure.

You can go there too.

And also, when you're on toastpodcasts.com slash tour, like you could click the homepage and get to dear toasters that way.

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There's a submission box.

They're both totally anonymous.

You can write in about anything and we try to help the girlies out.

And today's submissions are really unique.

So I'm excited to get into that.

I think the stories are really good.

The stories are good.

The big story of the day is Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, which I have so much to say.

Sorry, I have so much to say.

I watched the whole thing.

Did you?

Of course.

I watched it live.

I felt like really accomplished that I watched the whole thing.

I just want to say, like, shout out, because I have critiques.

I have legitimate critiques.

I have illegitimate critiques.

But I want to say my number one like credit, like thank you to whoever decided to make the program 30 minutes long.

Like I was done with it and I was like eating dinner.

I'm like, okay, I'm ready for bed.

It was 745.

So I was getting bored, but I was like, let me see how much more I have left because if it's so much, like, forget it.

And it was like 15 minutes.

I was like, Par G, I'll watch till the end.

And I'm glad I did for today's recap, but I was also able to read my book afterwards.

I finished my book last night, Long Island Compromise, Go Me.

And

it's good.

It's not for everyone.

It's like definitely very chewy, but I liked some of the overall themes.

And the way that it ended, it wasn't about the ending for me.

Like, I feel like she kind of didn't know how to end it, but it wasn't like I was like, waiting, how is it going to end?

I just,

I don't know.

It was one of those just like, it was kind of a weird book, but I'm glad that I read it because it's something.

It's my 14th book of the year.

Womp, womp, womp.

Oh, by the way, you're ahead of me.

I literally have read like three books this year.

It's insane.

Did anyone in your book club finish Long Island Compromise?

I don't think so.

Not even the person who chose it.

Who chose it?

Abe.

I could see him choosing it.

Wait, I also did want to say the

Tell Me Lies season finale dropped today slash last night or whatever.

I've heard it's amazing.

I'm going to watch it today.

We'll do do official recap tomorrow.

People are saying like it is shook worthy.

Even though it's my favorite show, I'm kind of like relieved that it's a season finale because it gives me anxiety.

No, and like it's so perfect.

I'm like, okay, one more episode.

It's going to remain perfect.

Like there are

people who fill it out.

Like, oh, wow.

It's ending like this was a perfect season.

And so I'm really excited.

And there are so many theories that people commented on our episode from last week that I think are true.

And I do hope they come to fruition today, even though I don't think that they would.

I think it's

a term play.

I will get into all of it tomorrow.

I just want to say, like, that is something I'm currently looking forward to.

Me as well, and then I'm going to start another book.

How about that?

Oh, wow.

Hey, librarian.

Dad.

For another book class.

It's a first meeting.

It's the inaugural.

So.

What is it?

You and your neighbors?

Not neighbors.

Not like, not next door neighbors.

But I guess like community.

Yeah, you're you and your community.

But it's not my community, but it's like it's extending.

I understand.

I understand.

It's extending.

So like what else do we need to talk about before we talk about like what I'm dying to talk about, which is the Victoria Secret Pasture?

Like I actually took notes like a nerd.

I was going to write down my thoughts, but I felt so strongly I was like, girl, trust yourself.

Like you can remember because like trust yourself.

Because

they're just at the top of my brain.

I think I can remember them.

Just really briefly, and I don't want to like get into it so deeply because like personally, like I need to protect myself, but I just wanted to update update everyone from yesterday.

Like I did go to the DMV and I did do what I needed to do.

It was a worse experience than I could have possibly imagined.

And the man who ended up helping me, like after being turned away by so many people and being yelled at by so many people and like not being helped by so many people, Anthony ended up coming to my rescue and he did give me a good tip that I do want to share with people.

He was like, never come into the DMV on a Monday or Friday.

And because Monday was Indigenous slash Columbus Day, he was like, today's basically a Monday and I've never seen it this busy and you're dumb for coming today.

He said, if you came tomorrow, aka right now, empty.

Okay.

So that's just my, that's my tidbit.

Don't go after a federal holiday and don't go on a Monday or Friday.

And also don't go looking normal.

This was my major takeaway from the DMV because like I felt so taken advantage of and I'm so polite.

Like not that I'm like naturally saying I'm like polite, but you know, when you're at the DMV or somewhere like that, like your kindness will get you places.

Kindness flies with honey at the DMV.

That's not true.

Okay.

I was so like nice and normal and like sound of mind and I didn't have headphones in.

Like I was too approachable.

First of all, I got walked all over.

Yeah.

Second of all, my fellow like DMB customers, like everybody was asking me things.

Like I fucking work there.

Like don't talk to me.

And it was just so unpleasant.

And I was like, And there was some like, you know, you know the DMV, it's full of characters.

I'm like, and it's New York too.

And it was like Penn Station.

So it was like real, real eclectic bunch.

Nobody was talking to like the crazy looking people.

I needed to like seriously start barking at people because I was far too sane and sound of mind.

And like I looked so like, I looked capable.

Like I'm on my phone.

I'm a young person.

Like I obviously know how to use technology, the TV with the numbers.

Like I, I was far too sane for this place.

Like everyone wanted a picture.

Because you weren't insane.

They weren't trying to get rid of you.

You know, maybe if you started

talking to yourself a little bit.

Oh, and I had to take a picture, which I wasn't going to be told that I needed to.

And so they called me up first to like do the picture.

And then you have to wait in another line for like the actual ID.

And he gave me like no warning, no nothing.

And like I think I looked, I was just like, that's the thing about the DMD.

You don't get ready.

You have to stay ready.

I know.

And I wasn't because I was already feeling so flustered by the experience.

What smile did you go with?

I went with my like cheesy smile, but like I have this new thing.

You hit it like the teeth?

Of course, where I smile so hard.

So every time I smile, I have to like, right as I'm smiling, I need to remember like chilling.

Chill it down.

Yeah, and so like I unclench a little bit.

I actually think I did a good smile.

And then Anthony, I was like, can you show me the picture?

And he was like, I'm not allowed, but you look great.

You have a beautiful smile.

So

Anthony.

You can call me Mrs.

DMV.

Mrs.

Anthony.

It was really horrible.

And just knowing that like, I like, I left there and I was like, I will not pay my next tax bill.

Like, it was so disheartening to know that like.

Like this is my fault, you know, like as a taxpayer.

What am I doing?

I'm not doing it anymore.

I was so mad.

Oh my God.

Like I had to, it took me, I got home and like took a bath.

I had to like actually unwind from the experience.

It was so upsetting.

If I may lead us out in song,

an AI-generated one.

I'm so glad my Anthea made it to the DMV.

One step closer to getting my Real ID.

I love that.

And let me just say this.

What's the lesson, right?

What's the lesson?

What is the takeaway?

Don't watch Attorney when she's on a breakaway.

And the temperature here in Turtskin is a map of the victory she wins.

Look what she do.

I make everything happen.

Look at it, me, me, me, mari, you, did it, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.

What can I say?

What's the lesson, right?

What is the takeaway?

My takeaway is this.

Because I was left with such a profound impact, mostly negative, overwhelmingly negative.

But Anthony, like, really,

once I got him the guy.

I know.

I am such a blitz.

Then there was Mark.

Yeah.

Then there was Frank.

Then there was Tom.

Yep.

When I got up to his desk, like I had to do that.

Listen, Anthony Mark.

He had like a warm spirit to him.

And I could tell that this was going to be a pleasant experience.

And he got me in and out as quickly as he could.

And I just think that real grace and kindness, like it goes a truly long way.

Even though you just said the opposite.

I know.

I mean from a DMV employee, nobody else.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

And you're probably like working in the wrong place if you've got a positive can-do attitude.

Yeah, because then the other person who like, they skipped my number.

I really don't want to get into it.

But like.

We're not getting into it because that's the only thing I could like prolong

it.

I know.

We just have to leave it in the past.

Okay, but I just want to say, like, they skipped my number.

And like, I went over to the like help desk.

I'm like, oh, hello.

They skipped my number.

They literally, I'm 103.

They went from 101 to 104.

I'm like, me and number two.

Like, we got, we got screwed.

And, like, she was so mean.

And her solve was to tell me to get into, like, she pointed to one of the lines the longest line.

I'm like, so you skipped my number and I have to wait in this line.

Like, okay, you know what?

I'm getting angry again.

I don't want to talk about it because we all have to go to the DMV at a time in our lives.

Yeah.

So no need to spend more time at the DMV in our minds.

Agreed.

Like, and I'm, it's a slippery sub.

Like once you start talking about it, you have to like then go into the whole experience.

And, oh, and my coxydenia was really, really flaring up.

It's just

so uncomfortable.

It wasn't an accessible environment.

No.

And so when they call my number, like,

I couldn't even get up.

It took me like 35 seconds.

My ass was killing me.

That's okay.

Now I'm done.

I'm done.

I'm done.

I'm done.

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Our first story, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show is

after a six-year hiatus.

Victoria's Secret Fashion Show returned this year.

The show went down in New York City last night and the girlies were on display.

So I have so much to say about the show, the set, the music, the outfits, everything.

And I wanna get into that.

Now, I know everyone's like so tired of hearing me talk about this, but like I could not enjoy the show.

I was watching and I actually was like enjoying with, you know, I was thinking what I'm gonna say on the toast the next day.

And I will get into all of that, but like I would be absolutely remiss if I didn't acknowledge like the fucking slap in the face when I saw Bella Hadid closing that show.

Like Gigi Hadid is like, I don't know.

I don't know why I like give her a pass.

Like I can ignore her like blatant anti-sexuality.

Well, they post sister.

They post different stuff.

But she posts really bad stuff.

But like when you compare it to her sister, it's like Gigi is Jewish like compared to Bella.

Like it's insane.

Like Bella is so atrocious to me.

Like I find her so personally offensive and I'm not even like easily offended.

And just to see like her have this moment, it was such a slap in the face when it's been so clear that in the last year, like so many brands have distanced themselves from Bella Hadid.

Like she's been in the face.

You go to an airport, she'd be all over duty-free.

That's not the case anymore.

Nobody really wants to be associated with that type of like hatred.

Right.

She's so controversial.

Like it's such a stark choice to have her in the show to

close the show.

And that Jesus

did and she closed it.

And it's like, fuck you, Jews.

No, I was so upset.

Like, I was so shocked to see her there.

They didn't announce that she was going to be there.

And I don't know, it was so, it was like deeply offensive to me.

I couldn't get over it.

And, and it ruined the whole experience for me because I was like enjoying it up until that point.

And, and, like,

I, I think like, there's, there's room in everything for, for different people with different opinions on stuff.

But like Bella Adida is so different to me.

Like, she is such, she has said the most vile things, like on par with worse things than like actual terrorists.

Like, you know, the hostages, like, yeah, don't forget she

stated that the hostage uh said that hamas had baked him a cake for his birthday only to taunt him with it but she said look he baked him a cake like she is pro hostage taking when like literally yeah hirsch goldberg's mom has just like said exactly what her son went through after being hostage for 10 months and being shot right in the fucking head she told us that they were kept in tunnels underground with no oxygen, no water, no food, no bathroom.

They were emaciated by the time that they were killed, malnourished, starved, and tortured.

And like, this is something Bella Hadid champions.

And like, I'm sorry, I can't talk about the show without talking about how upset that made me.

Like, it's, it was such a choice, and it was so intentional.

And, like, not only to like put her in there, but like make it a big thing at the end, like, the final one.

And there were so many icons in the show.

Like, when I saw her at the end, I was like, oh, why is she only walking once?

Did I miss her earlier?

And then I realized it was like, she was closing it.

But it's like, there's Adriana Lima, there's Candace Swamp.

There's all these angels throughout the years.

She built that brand.

So many icons they could have picked.

It was such a choice and a random one at that because it's not even like she's not associated.

She's not an iconic Victoria's secret person.

Actually, one of my critiques was that there was too much talent and that we didn't get to see like our girls.

They were on screen.

I mean, justice for Jasmine Tooks, who literally got cut out of the show.

And she's everyone's favorite.

My biggest critique is the camera work because it was so terrible.

They were missing all the big moments.

They were capturing someone as they're turning around.

We missed the strike and pose.

Even when they see the strike and pose, it wasn't punched in enough.

It was shit.

I feel like I sound like one of those people that like complains about like the plot line in a porno but the camera work at the victoria's secret fashion show was was bad atrocious so they didn't need her and so it really was a choice and i just i'm gonna talk about the show and i have really positive things to say overall but like to me that was such a miss and such a slap in the face and of course like now you know her fans are mad at her because Victoria's Secret is a brand that operates and like has factories in Israel.

So it's like one of their biggest manufacturers is an Israeli company.

They actually opened two, like, honestly, slay Victoria's Secret.

They opened two stores in Israel this year, like during the war.

Slay the house down boots supporting the Israeli economy.

Like, I think that's a good idea.

So, she's also a fraud.

Yeah, I think that speaks to like Bella not even knowing what she stands for.

And also the fact that, like, Victoria's Secret corporate is very different than Victoria's Secret, like, marketing, entertainment division of like, let's do this show and

throw all these different things at it.

So, I just wanted to say that, like, sorry to like get all serious, but it had to be said because it really, like, I was shocked.

It hit me right to my core.

And I was like, oh, oh it's ruined so there's that and like this is i'm sorry this is a person who has literally admitted openly on a podcast that she's not allowed in the homes of her jewish friends anymore like please and i don't know was she saying that as like a slay i don't know like i know she wanted us to like feel bad for her because of um how brave i'm not just i'm not just saying that like you know if you don't agree with me you can't be in the victorious like it's so stupid i'm pretty sure like everyone in the show like is diversity by the way they had an israeli model like diversity of opinion is really i i embrace it sure what bella haded does is so damaging and so terrible

I don't embrace it.

No, I'm not like, I'm seriously, like, it's not just like me, I don't agree with it.

I don't want, no, like, seriously, she's such a dangerous person.

And I, I was personally offended.

So, but I want to move on because I actually have other notes.

And for the most part, I enjoyed.

Like, it did bring back this sense of nostalgia.

Now, when it comes to like actual like production, I have a lot of critiques, but I just want to say, like, overall, I actually really enjoyed it.

Like, it was fun.

It was back like it used to be.

Like, I really, I thought they captured like the nostalgia of it all.

Overall, I was excited to watch it because I was like sitting there like waiting to see what would wash over me.

Like what sort of feeling like we're back or this or that.

And

I felt mostly confused.

I'm like, what are we doing here?

Aside from the fact that it's called the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, like there was nothing Victoria's secret about it in terms of like, what are you selling?

There used to be like the pink segment, the lingerie segment.

Like I thought that the costumes were pretty ugly.

There were some better ones, but overall, there was some like really ugly stuff, some really ugly wings.

It wasn't gargy pargy.

No, the wings were not wings.

Some of the people who were wearing like leggings outfits were so ugly looking.

The outfits were like Adriana Lima's outfit, like not a cute outfit.

It doesn't make me want to shop at Victoria's Secret.

When you want to talk about Tyra Banks' outfit, Tyra Banks' outfit was so she deserved better than that.

Not like Pargy.

She was wearing black leggings.

Right.

So the Victoria's Secret fashion show.

It was a lot of like really bad fashion.

And so it just made me wonder, like, are we trying to sell clothes here?

We're not doing a good job.

This is for Victoria's Secret.

Like, what are you guys up to these days?

There was no, no one was even like, in the past, there used to be packages, which was actually my least favorite part, but like, they told a story, right?

They explained.

They just like had Tyra narrating at the top, like, this show, all women.

So I guess that means like only women work behind the scenes.

I think I'm just trying to

piece together because they didn't really like tell us anything.

What about talking about like, they kept saying, we're back.

Where'd you go?

What happened?

It's been six years.

Like, what's everyone up to?

It just sort of like did nothing.

I thought that the runway was really ugly and terrible.

Like, there wasn't a runway.

It was so industrial.

That's so not Victoria's Secret.

It was so industrial.

That's so not Victoria's Secret.

All the like squares on the runway where people like kept popping up.

Like, we don't need people to pop up.

It's making the runway ugly.

Did you see Dutson?

Like, her foot got caught in that thing.

Her shoe fell off.

Yeah.

And it was just like a very ugly stage.

That people coming up out of the ground, like, we didn't need that.

And it ruined the stage.

Yeah, the whole like warehouse industrial vibe, it's a certain aesthetic.

It's actually, it happens to be one of my least favorite aesthetics, but that doesn't mean that it's bad.

Um, but it's so not Victoria's Secret.

Victoria's Secret is like plush, glamorous.

And I felt like, where was the actual, like, there was no physical runway, which I think was a huge miss.

Agreed.

And when, like, the lights went down, everything was like so matrix-y, but it's not even like that was the theme of the show, like futuristic.

And there usually is a theme.

I didn't think like the themes were that like good or well articulated.

There was like red at the end.

There was some like midnight's vibes.

My overall like biggest issue with the show was the music selection.

I think you think of the performers.

I thought they were all bad choices, except honestly, Tyla Slade.

And I liked that like, is that Lisa from Blackpink?

Yeah.

I liked that, like, she literally looked like a model.

Tyler too.

I was like, oh, are you a model or a singer?

But I think when you look back on like the performers of your, like, not, nobody last night did anything on par with like rihanna bruno mars jay-z and kanye um taylor swift and fallout boy like but they couldn't they weren't having any men okay fine but i don't care i'm just saying like i knew one song yeah i mean honestly katy perry should have performed 1000

the music wasn't pussy popping i actually thought the performers were all good choices but the songs as they were and maybe my tv was on low um just like not wake anyone up but um still i don't feel like the girls were like dancing around to the songs or like having a lot of fun with the songs lisa's song moonlight just repeating that one line over like paris moonlight like was seriously like irritating to me where are the other lines from kiss me that song you know it yeah you're talking about like kiss me yes but she kept saying what about green green grass all she kept saying was kiss me under the paris moonlight on repeat 100 times i was going to lose my mind I'm sorry, I actually don't think any of them were good choices.

Like, I don't think the songs were recognizable enough.

And no one is going to like what I have have to say when it comes to share.

It did absolutely nothing for me, first of all.

But that was the first time people were, the models were singing along.

Oh, well, that was the other thing I wanted to say.

I felt like they, well, because nobody knew the music.

Right, right.

So at least share had recognizable songs.

No, share songs are great.

But when it comes to share, like, and I have,

I was texting with Shannon the whole time.

We were like talking about it.

She's mad at me.

Yeah, actually, I had like had a big Shannon day yesterday.

We like spoke on the phone for like an hour.

She was like, share Share is just, and it's, and I'm stealing it, but it was so true.

Like, Shara is just too accessible, right?

She's like this icon status, but she's literally popping up everywhere.

It's like not special anymore.

And to be honest, like, and of course, she's a woman of a certain age.

She can only do so much, but she wasn't singing live.

And like, I think that that should be, that's like the best part of the show when you think of in the past, like the vocals.

It's just.

I don't know, it did not do much for me.

And I, yes, I agree.

I like that it's a song.

Her songs are songs.

And you have to think about the models.

They're from all over the world.

So just because a song is popular in America, and I I feel like in the past, everybody knew everywhere to every song because they chose people with global hits.

Yeah.

So that's the only thing Cher had.

But I think, like, seriously,

it was a lot, like, I didn't like it.

I understood why they chose the people that they did.

I think they were good choices, but then it just didn't like translate.

Oh, and oh my God, Lainey Wilson.

That was Lainey Wilson, right?

No.

That wasn't Lainey.

I have no idea who that guitar player was, but it was not Lainey Wilson.

Are you sure?

I'm 1,000% positive.

She's got her pants.

Jake, she was just writing bell bottoms.

Lainey Wilson doesn't own bell bottoms.

Why wouldn't she be Lainey Wilson?

If it was Lainey Wilson, why wouldn't she have sung?

I thought she was singing, I love rock and roll.

No, she just plays, she's like a, she must be like a famous guitarist.

I have no idea who it is.

Claudia, I think it was Lainey Wilson.

What's her name?

Oriathi.

Oriathe.

She's like a guitar player.

Okay, well, I really liked Lainey Wilson's segment because those were recognizable songs.

Like when the girls were singing, I love rock and roll.

And then they got the like the leather black vibe for the runway.

Like, okay, we're doing something.

Thank you.

Like, there's energy.

Yep.

The show didn't have energy at times.

And even when the girls were like trying to like do their thing, like the camera was missing them.

They had the camera missed everything.

We had two girls walking down the runway parallel.

And like you only really got to see one or the other.

They had these like cameras

on the floor, like trying to follow them.

It was the camera work was a mess.

Sorry.

The camera work is a mess.

I agree.

Far too many people on stage at once.

Nobody had their own moment.

Even people that opened the show, I'm like, wait, is that the opener?

Like, it really wasn't special.

I think there was far too much talent.

And also, the vibe was so, and I know everyone's like gagged over Kate Moss.

What I think Kate Moss, I do not think Victoria's Secret.

Victoria's Secret is so commercial.

It's so like not serious.

And I thought like so many of the girls were doing like such serious model walks and model faces when in history, like previously, everyone's been smiling.

They put their hands in the air.

They dance.

They sing.

It's been so fun and it's been so not runway.

And this was just so like serious, fashiony and like kate moss she's like we love she's sick she's not victoria's secret it's like they don't know who they are anymore so they just hired everyone exactly and they did everything

and carly cross let's talk about car delavine let's talk about kendall i think yeah but kendall's the glaring i'm sure we could have a whole list of people who used to do it who weren't there kendall was the one like because i was thinking where's miranda kerr Where's Miranda Kerr?

But I think she's at a place in her life where it's like she's evolved a little bit past it.

And I don't know if she looks back on that time positively.

I think she's like, had said stuff in the past, like in interviews, just about personal things in her life.

I don't know if she like loves it.

Kendall.

I feel like, is Kendall the face of, she must have some sort of contractual

issue?

Because I feel like maybe she's the face of La Perla.

Oh, maybe.

Or into Missimi Mi.

Yeah, into Simonimi.

Into Simonimini.

So I feel like that's why she wasn't there.

But it was a huge miss, honestly, because like

she only did it once for that.

Huge miss for them because it would have like rounded out and like you wouldn't have been like feeling as many gaps.

But like not for her.

I just, I don't know.

The whole thing was just kind of like forgettable.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Now that we're like breaking it down, like maybe I didn't like it.

But I actually, I don't know, I enjoyed the experience of watching it.

Yeah, like I'm, I'm, it's a good, like, it was always a fun thing in the culture and like fun that it's back, but like it just, it wasn't iconic in any way.

No, it wasn't iconic.

I think they tried really hard to be iconic, but there was like honestly too much going on.

And the photos from the evening are like much more iconic than the actual show because we didn't get to see an iconic moments because the camera operator was drunk.

Yeah, the camera operator like was really not doing what needed to be done.

And lastly,

wait, I just had to.

Oh, and you know who I was really taken by?

And I didn't know who it was.

And then when I found out who it was, I was like, oh.

Barbara Palvin, my queen.

No, I know her.

I knew who that was.

Victoria Choretti, Leo's girlfriend.

Oh, my God.

Wait, I didn't know she was there.

I've never seen the show twice.

Both times, I was like, who is that?

Like, it's a new fresh face model.

I was like, she's so gorgeous.

And then I saw that that's Leo's girlfriend.

And I was like, okay.

Okay, wait, I need to see.

She's 26.

So

that's what's her name?

Vittoria.

Nope.

Hold the C.

Oh, Vittoria.

Yeah.

Vittoria's secret.

Vittoria's secret.

Oh, here.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love that.

Yeah.

And she's 26, so she's frontal lobe.

Do you think it was weird between Irena Shake and Gigi Hadid?

Yes, and let me tell you what I also thought was weird.

First of all, Irina Shaikh looked amazing, and I know that page six tries to make her seem like a desperate loser, but she's cool.

She's the most gorgeous woman on the planet.

Like, seriously, the most gorgeous woman up there.

What was weird was in backstage interviews, Irina was saying how her daughter is, like, gonna watch probably tomorrow, you know, but she'll like watch the show.

And then Gigi was asked, like, something about

it and she was said that he's on dad duty.

and that's

like weird to like no it's weird some girl down the road like talking white about your daughter about your daughter like it's weird I completely agree

there's like a couple of like weird like um

relationship types things people do you remember that that um

Victoria Secret model the year Taylor Swift performed who like said something nasty about Taylor in the press and literally got fired yeah Jessica something with the gap tooth I think she was there last night I'm like oh obviously went to the archives interesting as they should go into the archives.

I also don't think it's weird that Carly Kloss wasn't there.

Like, I think she's really evolved out of modeling and specifically like lingerie modeling.

Like, she's married to like someone who's like connected to a president.

Like, she can't be like out here in her underwear, you know?

No, I agree.

I do agree.

Like, she'd been to the White House, probably.

Maybe.

I don't know.

Probably not with them.

No, but like, she might have been to the White House in some capacity.

Yeah, but I feel like like some of the other girls probably go to the White House, too.

Now, I want to say, why are there so many models with the last name Sumpeo?

It's a great question.

In my fantasy, they're all sisters.

But they're not.

No, they're not.

Valentina Sompeo was like this new model last night.

I'm like, wait, is she related to Sarah Sumpeo?

That's like Irena Shake and Shanina Shake.

Yep, not related.

The thing is, like.

If I just, I can just think that they're related.

Like, it makes no difference to the world.

But, like, in my mind, it's really nice.

I want to say, like, it's really impressive to me that like the most sickening looking ladies were were like all older like

Adriana Lima Candice

Candace who's literally like when you think of Victoria's Secret you think of you really do think of Candace like who got literally one minute where was the million dollar bra the fantasy bra like where was she she got no screen time

they looked like it was actually that's inspired oh I remember what I was gonna say

What's so interesting about Victoria's Secret and like what I was really interested to see in in in what they're gonna do is the biggest critique and how they really have like failed to enter this new modern times was like their unwillingness to give on on really body diversity, right?

Like they're, they maintained for a while that like, you know, it's a fantasy and we're not,

we're not going there, like we're just not.

And that was a huge critique.

And I think part of the reason why the show like didn't, you know, make it in modern times.

And I was curious to see how they were going to do it.

And I have said this in the past, like, and as somebody who was like that my whole life, like inclusivity is great, but I always find like when they do start being inclusive of other bodies, it's never in like a way they're like, this is real.

Like it's always in a way that's like, like it's like unattractive almost.

It's like they've given up the fantasy thing.

Yeah, there's not like glamour anymore.

Now everyone's included, right?

We're not airbrushing anymore.

Why?

Yeah.

Like it just, and so I do want to say to their credit, I think they did a really good job of like having a wide range of bodies like mid-size and curvy without like forsaking that

glamour.

I agree with that and I thought it was really nice.

We didn't even talk about the fact that Ashley Graham was was there for the first time.

I didn't realize until I was reading the recaps that it was the first time, and that that was a big deal.

And then I also saw, like, Daily Mail was writing how, like, they did stuff that they hadn't done in the past in terms of, like, keeping it real.

And one thing, I don't know if this was in real time.

I don't want it to be real.

There was a lot of tan lines.

I think in the past, they would like airbrush.

They would like, you know,

there was a lot of tan lines.

I think that was them keeping it real.

Oh, please.

Like, keep your tan lines.

I don't care.

Yeah.

Weird.

No, that to their credit.

I think they were able to like modernize a little bit without losing that, like, whole, the whole point is that it's like fantasy.

Like, you can be like glam and stuff and have big legs.

Like, who cares?

Yeah.

I just feel like anytime when I think of like real campaigns with real women, it's like, always like, they're not taking out their pimples.

Why?

They're not wearing makeup.

Why?

Yeah.

We just have glam or two.

Yeah, I think on that front it was achieved, but in terms of like, why are we here?

What are we doing?

That question was not answered.

And it didn't make me want to go shop at Victoria's Secret

because I thought that the costume design was not strong.

I feel like

it almost felt like, I don't know, is this going to become another annual recurring thing?

Or it kind of just felt like this one-time thing.

We're throwing everybody in.

I don't know if they can afford to keep doing it like that.

It didn't feel like they were back like every year.

It didn't feel, it felt kind of like final, cumulative.

I think that they need to be back every year.

And what I also liked is I felt like I saw a lot of new faces that I had not seen seen before and

it was a lot of like talent discovery which is what Victoria's Secret used to be like great at no and it should be cutthroat by the way like you can't make it every year there's only so many spots not everybody's invited yeah like it needs to be like 20 girls every year even if you're at the top of your game maybe this year is not the year for you like it should be like a little competitive yeah not just like you know we're all winners Yeah, I think that it doesn't make sense if they don't bring it back again.

Now, like, I think they need to, if they want it to mean anything,

um, especially because this was, like, so short, it's not, and they didn't say anything.

It's not like they said, like, we're back one night only, Victoria's secret reunion.

That would have been something.

That's what it felt like.

Reunion, because everyone was invited.

Yeah, but reunion happens once every five or ten years.

Right.

Right, right, right.

No, I don't know.

I don't know what this means for the brand.

I don't think they know what it means for the brand.

And that came through.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, all in all, though, like watching it, like eating pizza back in the day, critiquing everyone, like, that's the fun of being a woman.

Yes.

Yes, it is like being a salab and a half and just like sitting there being like ugly ugly bikini.

There was one girl who walked down the runway and the camera, I'm not over the camera, was filming her shoes like the whole time we and probably spent like eight seconds on her shoes and one second on her face.

Like, what are you showing?

No, the camera work was, by the way, let's say it all in unison.

Justice for Jasmine Tooks.

Justice for Jasmine Tooks.

She got so screwed.

And let me me say, I think she was one of the people people were most looking forward to.

And then there were some people who, like, went by in the blink of an eye because they were coming down the runway in twos and there was people two feet behind them.

Oh, yeah.

And there were some people whose walk never ended.

No, and by the way, they didn't send the models back for the most part.

They walked off camera.

They kept walking straight.

That's weird.

I think they thought that was a sleigh narrator.

It was not.

No, everybody's screen time cut in half.

Yeah.

It was weird.

It was weird.

The stage direction was bad.

Yeah.

But I just want to say, with all my critiques, like I actually enjoyed it.

Yeah.

I didn't.

If I didn't enjoy it, I would have turned it off and I watched the whole thing.

Oh, people are really mad about the Victoria's Secret hair.

I saw.

That's not something that I noticed when I was watching it, but then when people said it, I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty fair.

Because usually they have like the vagabond.

The lamb in, right, historically has been like very feminine, bouncy, blowout, light makeup, like really very

feathery almost.

And this time was a lot of like slick back buns, eyeline or very matrixy like you said I do think that's like a little bit more of the trend now like in glam like everybody's wearing slick back buttons but no do I think it is Victoria's secret no no and yes it's a trend right now but like you know

voluminous hair never goes out of style yeah glam natural makeup never goes out of style so yes now looking back at the pictures and some people had um reasons for their hair like I saw some like really cute like ponies or whatever but then some people were wearing like their hair blown out down and it's like you it should have been more judged And I do think that is a fair critique.

So yeah,

hair and makeup, also not on point.

Yeah.

So that's Vittoria's Secret Fashion Show.

Vittoria.

Are you ready for our next story, switching gears in a major way?

Sophia Richie Grange is recalling her very difficult pregnancy with her daughter, Eloise.

So Sophia Richie Grain is on this new

podcast called She M D, which we were just talking about because the host is a big OBGYN to the stars.

Yes, I had actually heard of her weirdly.

She's Dr.

A whenever you're talking about the Kardashians.

On the Kardashians, like they literally send her like on her own private jet, like whenever they're on vacation, she like literally stays nearby.

She must be so wealthy.

Right.

So she has a podcast and Sophia Ritchie Grange was one of her patients.

And now she is talking about her pregnancy in her first postpartum interview.

And she revealed that pregnancy was not an easy journey for her.

So on the latest episode of SheMD, she said she recalled gaining 70 pounds while carrying her baby and being out on bed rest when she began having contractions at six months pregnant.

So she said, quote, I had a great pregnancy up until about 32 weeks.

And I woke up one morning and I texted Dr.

A and I was like, hey, I woke up and I'm really tired today.

My back really hurts.

I feel a little crampy.

And I thought it was going to be another one of those, yeah, babe, that's pregnancy.

You're going to be fine, but you can come in if you want me to check you type of situations.

She was like, you know what?

Actually, I think you should go see the fetal specialist to monitor that everything's okay and then you'll go home.

It's not that big of a deal.

She said, thank God that she said that because they hooked me up to a monitor and they were like, you are in active labor.

She ended up having to stay in the hospital for six days.

That was at 32 weeks pregnant.

She said, I was begging, please, please let me go home.

And Dr.

A was like, you can go home, but you're on bed rest.

We have to monitor you.

So that's what I did.

Bedrest, but contracting.

And then we induced at 38 weeks.

I had a fantastic delivery.

However, then she says that when she went home, she developed a rare postpartum condition called preeclampsia, postpartum.

Right.

I didn't know you could get it.

Or sister Olivia had it while she was pregnant.

It's like common to get it, not common, but you get it while you're pregnant.

I didn't know that you could get it afterwards.

Yeah, if you have high blood pressure after you deliver, that's why they're like taking your blood pressure every two hours in the hospital.

She said, I stayed in the hospital for two days.

I went home and then I blew up like a balloon, quite literally, just swelled.

I felt very ill.

My blood pressure was 165 over 1003.

It was postpartum, preeclampsia.

So she had to go back to the hospital and leave her daughter at home, which she described as being really hard for her.

But in the end, everything was okay.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

I kind of love this concept of a celebrity OBGYN, like people exclusively telling their birth stories like on this podcast.

I actually think it's like a great concept.

I know she does other stuff.

Like she had, I think like Halsey on talking about her endometriosis, like other like feminine health things.

But I feel like we don't get like every podcaster or influencer, like it's like, here's my birth story.

It's like a thing you would kind of like have to do.

And we never hear celebrity birth stories.

Yeah, but everyone has a birth story.

I find them so interesting.

Even if your births went exactly according to plan, like that's actually more uncommon than not.

It's giving Dr.

Isgiving West Coast Dr.

Fox.

Like

I am with a podcast.

Do you want to promote something?

My birth stories?

No.

The Redheads?

Dana's.

Yeah.

Dana's birth story.

She took her story to the redheads, and her story is actually a crazy one.

So on the most recent episode of The Redheads, Dana shares her birth story.

And my birth stories are on Patreon if you you want to hear my birth stories.

Yeah.

I think they're good stories.

I heard them at the time and I thought they were good as well.

Do you enjoy listening?

Not to mine, because of course we have a kinship like no other.

Do you enjoy other people's birth stories?

Like, yeah, yeah, like my

people's birth stories as much until I was pregnant and gave birth.

Like people that I love, like, yeah, of course I'm curious what happened to you.

Right.

But like birth stories in general, like, no, they don't really do it for me.

Celebrity birth stories.

Like, did that fall into people that you love?

No, but like Olivia, like we were all kind of a part of Olivia's birth journey and her getting preclampsia was like kind of traumatizing.

And so hearing that Sophia Richie, like, I can connect.

Yeah.

But like just Sophia Richie in general, like a celebrity that you love.

Take Sophia Richie out of it.

Like a celebrity that you love.

Are you interested in their birth story?

Like, I might be interested in Taylor Smith's birth story.

Like, that's literally it.

I'm so glad my turdy listened to the birth story.

I'll work on that one.

Yeah, that's not your best.

I'll ask AI to fix that one up.

Are you ready for our next story?

Don't worry, it's not a birth story.

I'm ready.

It's actually a weird story.

Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman are going to be starring in a movie called Song Sung Blue, which is a musical film about a husband and wife Neil Diamond tribute band.

Okay.

There's a lot in there.

There's a lot in there.

Let me break it down into multiple sentences, okay?

Okay.

Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman are taking the stage in a new musical drama film.

They're set

the you know soundstage.

Oh, okay.

It's not a play.

No.

Okay.

The duo are set to star in

a movie called Song Sung Blue.

As Claire.

Such a bad name for a movie.

As Claire and Mike, a real-life couple from Milwaukee who form a Neil Diamond tribute band called Lightning and Thunder.

Based on a true story.

So a lot of things here.

A lot of things.

I actually think like this is a good natural next step for Kate Hudson, who's really been in the latter half of her career, like embracing music.

If you watch Glee, you know that she, like, some people are like, wait, Kate Hudson can sing.

Like, if you watch Glee, you know.

This has obviously been like a passion of hers, but it's never been like her work.

And so now, like, our rom-com queen starring in a movie, but also it's a musical that she sings in.

Like, I think that's actually a good next step for her because she is starting this, like, music career.

I love the idea of Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman being in a movie musical together.

I love them both.

I love movie musicals.

However, the subject matter here, like, I

don't know why this was the story that needs to be told.

And is that to assume that like the soundtrack of the film is exclusively Neil Diamond music, or is it going to be original music?

I think it's going to be a lot of Neil Diamond music.

And maybe that's, maybe someone got the rights and said, hey,

let's do a movie.

Now, Neil Diamond, of course, sings.

Sweet Caroline, bum ba ba ba ba ba.

And now I'm looking at his other big hits, and I haven't heard of them.

And that obviously is cause for concern.

Let us know.

What are they?

Crackling Rose.

Crackling Rose.

It's Cracklin' Rose.

Okay, here.

Tell me what you think all these songs sound like.

Okay.

Song Sung Blue.

Oh, wait, is that the name of the movie?

Yeah.

All right, hit me.

I'm so glad, Ma.

Come on.

No, no.

No, seriously, stop with that song.

Like, it's getting annoying.

And I want you to actually hear what you think.

I want to know what you actually think Song Sung Blue sounds like.

I genuinely, Song Sung Blue.

I think it actually sounds like this.

Song Sung Blue.

That's so Neil Diamond.

That is.

Why don't you play it?

Let's find out.

No.

Holly Holy.

I don't even know what genre Neil Diamond sings because Sweet Caroline is like a genre of its own.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, am I going country?

Am I going folks?

Am I going blues?

They say that Neil Diamond makes music for like older white people.

So just like embrace that.

Like, that's giving me like, come on, Eileen, you know.

Like, exactly.

Does he sing that?

No, no.

So, what was the last song called?

Holly Holy?

Holly, Holly Holy.

What a crazy name.

I know.

These are all crazy.

I am, I said.

Sounds like Dr.

Seuss.

September morn.

Okay, rural juror?

These are not real song names.

According to Google, these are his songs.

I guess even the name Sweet Caroline is random.

Like, yeah, not anymore.

Not anymore.

And the lyrics are Sweet Caroline, bomb, bomb bomb.

That's actually not the lyric, it's the sound of the drum.

He doesn't say bomb bomb bomb.

No, it's sweet Caroline.

Like, drum, drum, drum.

And then, you know, people at weddings took it to the next level but now hearing his other song titles like I could see him having lyrics bomb bomb bomb he sounds

kind of nutty yeah yeah for sure

so

this movie

so this movie like

I can't give it the Jackie's stamp of approval for her great creative processes however I'm open and I like what they did with half of it that's unfortunate that you can't give it that award but I understand The J-O-S-O-A.

The Jisoa.

The Jisoa award.

Yeah.

For

creativity.

Yeah, right.

And ingenuity.

And innovation.

Yeah.

But I'm open.

Yeah, I'm definitely not going to be seeing this.

So, like, this is the last I'll probably hear of this movie.

I could see myself like seeing this movie because Zach really wants to go to the movies and like we have to see what's in theaters like that particular day, even though I didn't want to see anything.

And then I see this is out.

And I'm like, okay, I'll see that one.

Yeah, that's so funny.

Like, of all the ones that are out, like, this is the one you'll stop.

I don't go to the movies when the movies are good.

I just, like, go because, like, I have to go one day.

When time allows it.

Yeah.

Or like, it just, it's Zach's birthday and he wants to go to the movies.

Yeah, yeah.

All right.

So I guess we're going to see this movie in May.

If you want me to see your movie, come out with it.

Release it on May 2nd.

On May 2nd, yeah.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story, which is some major news in the podcasting world that's really going to shake things up around here?

Oh my God, I'm so excited.

What is it?

Because guess who's announced their new podcast?

You'll never guess.

Keeping up with sports?

No, I wish.

That would have been a first story, not a fourth.

What is it?

Rachel Ray announces her new podcast called I'll Sleep When I'm Dead.

It's unscripted, raw, and real talk.

I have so many things to say.

Rachel Ray isn't slowing down anytime soon.

Just look at her new podcast.

Name is Evidence.

The celebrity cook and TV host views her first podcast, I'll Sleep When I'm Dead, on today, yesterday, October 15th.

The show focuses on what fuels us, our drive, resilience, and how we face life's challenges.

According to a press release, it will feature a melting pot of conversations with celebrities, chefs, artists, musicians, and other familiar faces with no topic off-limits.

Did you think something was going to be off-limits with Rachel Ray?

No.

So let's, of course, do what we do and evaluate the name of this podcast.

It is legitimately atrocious.

Legitimately atrocious because obviously that is.

If you would have told me a celebrity has a podcast, you didn't tell me who.

You said a new celebrity podcast was just announced.

The title is I'll Sleep When I'm Dead.

I would have said Bethany Frankel.

No.

It's giving like people say that when they're like 18 and they like stay out all night.

I'll sleep when I'm dead.

For me, it's like giving like girl boss hustler culture.

The other thing, and like I love Rachel Ray and I don't want to ever stop like a woman from entering the podcasting space, but like do not come.

Do no, do not come.

First of all, like relax.

Like I feel like you worked so hard on your daytime show like for so many years.

Like take the time to enjoy that.

Second of all, like not to be mean, but like the daytime show was canceled.

So it's like the need for you to interview people, like it really isn't there.

The demand isn't there so much anymore.

And three, like you recently have come under fire for like your like actual inability to speak, like slurring and being like kind of crazy.

So I don't know if like,

I don't know if like a job where you speak all the time is best for you.

Even though that has been her career up until this point, I think a better title for this would have been 30-minute combos.

I love it.

I love it.

And that's like, we know where your show is now.

Like, it's a 30-minute combo.

What are we talking about?

What are we making tonight?

And you know what?

I could listen to it while I make my 30-minute meal.

By the way, I love that.

But nobody asked me.

And that's the problem.

Like, I could have seen her doing like Ray of Light.

Oh, Rachel's Rays.

The thing about Rachel Ray, and correct me if I'm wrong, she's Rachel.

Rachel, yeah.

And as somebody who is so deeply connected to like phonetics and language, like her name being Rachel, pronounced Rachel, which like it's not that crazy.

I think there's like a million girls named Rachel who spell it Rachel.

But her specifically, she's the most famous, you know, Rachel.

She'll always be famous to me, you know?

Yeah.

She just needed that extra letter because she's extra.

She needed the extra letter.

She didn't need the extra responsibility of this podcast.

And like, I just know in a year from now.

If they make a video about her life, it'll be called Extra A.

Jackie, I know in a year from now, we are going to be talking about Rachel Ray's podcast in the context of our list of celebrities who started podcasts and then never picked them back up.

And I don't even think our list is comprehensive enough.

No, although our list of, you know, podcasts that came and went is one of my favorite things.

Like, do you remember a time where like you couldn't leave the house without hearing about Ashley Graham's podcast or JVN's?

JVN.

Yeah, I remember JVN more so than Ashley Graham.

He was like one of the bigger, biggest biggest podcasts.

Yeah.

Anna Farris.

Is she on our list?

No, because

she's not like fully quit it yet.

Like every couple of weeks she's not like that.

She's not like other ones where it's like a celebrity being like, I think I'll start a podcast.

She actually had like a very successful podcast, even if she's done with it.

Like, I actually don't think it falls into that list.

Yeah, she was doing podcasts like long before.

She has like many seasons of a successful show.

I just don't think it's the same.

Let's see.

Anna Farris.

It's like reruns and stuff, right?

Yeah, the last, oh,

they haven't released an episode since January, and every episode before that has been a re-release for the last year.

So it's official.

But I still don't think she's on the list.

I don't think she's on the list.

She's not a celebrity who woke up and said, I think I'll do a a podcast today.

And then a year later, shut up.

And then it was like too much for them.

But I'm telling you, like, don't be surprised if Rachelle Ray ends up on that list.

Well, I personally am rooting for her because I don't think it will be in the comedy category.

And so it's not no threat to us.

Yeah.

Our ability to be happy for like anyone joining the podcasting sphere is like, what impact will it have on us?

It's true.

I don't think this has any impact on us whatsoever.

Therefore, Therefore, like, I'm always going to root for Reach.

That's just me.

And I feel like you used to be that way.

And then

something hardened you.

Something changed definitely with me and Rachel Rachel.

You don't know who championed her even more than I did because I watched her show recently and it was not for me.

Yeah, you did watch 30 Minute Meals and kind of take a giant dump on it.

It was a wild ride.

That's not her case.

We were talking about another creator recently who does food videos.

And I was explaining to you how like she does like really great videos but like it's just not for me like it's just too crazy

wait and I don't want like

she's a great creator I'll just text it to you because I would not slander this person they're a great creator

it's just the style is not for me

sent to you oh yeah

you know what I mean that's like Rachel Ray Yeah.

A great creator.

A creator.

A creator.

She's been creating for a while.

And really, I couldn't help but wonder: are all chefs creators?

I couldn't help but wonder.

I think we are all creators of God's universe.

We are all created by the creator.

Oh, that's beautiful.

And he is the ultimate creator.

Amen.

That's so pesoch.

What tune is that?

Damn.

Dumb.

It's a classic Passover tune.

Svarde,

yeah.

Svarde, Svarde, yeah.

I have a question for you.

Is there a reason why you haven't moved to the next story yet?

Like, you're really dilly-dialing.

I'm like, I wonder what she's going to stop talking about, Rachel Ray.

I'm sitting in this.

Okay, I'll send you your toasters.

I'm just going to go to the next one.

Actually, you know what?

I'm glad that you're pushing me forward because my next segue is so parchy.

If I may.

Okay.

Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm not going to say that, but just want to let you know, like, I obviously think that.

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Like a good turdy, State state farm is there how about dap now i'm ready for the fifth and final story the fifth and final story so it's a little bit of an update to a story from this week which was travis kelsey's ex going on angel race's podcast and kind of getting her ass handed to her by on the internet yeah so she is you know the more i thought about that i thought it was so interesting because like for the most part i feel like the swifties like are are torturous to everyone right like anyone in their path and they've kind of like left kaylenicole alone i feel like she hasn't really gotten maybe i don't know but i feel like they haven't like come for her They've really just let her be.

And she sort of like woke a beast with that podcast.

Yes.

So she is now talking about.

and reflecting on the online backlash after being on the podcast.

So she said on an episode of I Am Athlete Daily, she said, after the podcast came out, I thought that I handle things with grace.

I thought that I answered the questions to the best of my ability.

The public had their interpretation of things.

It didn't matter to me.

She said she wasn't initially bothered by the social media reactions, though her mother called her and expressed concern.

She said, my mom calls me, though, and it's those conversations.

That's what matters to me because she's offended.

She's hurt by the way people are perceiving her daughter.

She's hurt with the negative headlines and the way that people are spinning it.

So I only saw clips from this interview.

So it's hard to like judge the entire thing.

But based on what I saw, like I do agree with Kayla Nicole that like she.

She didn't, she spoke like very gracefully about this situation.

The questions to me were what was more problematic.

And even like someone, I think in Toast After Dark, like screenshotted the uh angel rhys podcast instagram page and like it's all clips of kaylin nicole like pictures they're milking it they're really milking it and i feel like that's what is unfair and has put this in a bad light not necessarily anything that she said in context By the way, I agree with you that like most of the blame, I think, lies in like the questions, the promotion, and like, it looks like Kayla Nicole's non-stop talking about Travis, but like she literally was asked about it and then the account posted a million videos.

I agree.

Except I did feel like what she had said, that like Travis and her can't like communicate or acknowledge each other because his current girlfriend is like such a big star was like disrespectful.

Like, no, you can't talk to him because like you're not with him anymore.

And like you don't, you don't do that when someone's in a new relationship.

So I don't think she helped herself by like some of the things that she said, but I agree that she was kind of put in like a shit position.

Yeah.

But I agree that like exes of five years like don't need to talk to each other, especially when someone's in a new relationship.

And she was saying like, even if we walk past each other, we can't say even like hi because it will just be taken and made into a big thing, which is true.

Like, I think that's a true true statement.

Yeah.

So I feel a little badly.

I mean, I think anybody like Lemo in the video, and I'm sure it's been hard for her.

Like, and also, let's not forget she's just a girl.

Like, she was dating someone for five years, and she probably thought that that was her future.

And now he's, like, moved on with Taylor Swift.

No, I feel bad for anyone who like goes on a podcast to like tell their story and like gets backlash, even if it's warranted or not.

Like, getting backlash for just like saying something that you think like is horrible.

Like, people, people always take it too far, right?

Yeah.

Then you're being like, you know, ushered by the police because you got death threats.

Like, I, I go bad for anyone who goes through that.

I'm like, really, you, you can't know how really traumatizing it is until you go, you like, experience it yourself.

So I always, I'm going to end up like defending it and feeling sorry for the person, even no matter what they said, if it was like bad or good.

Like, so I agree with you.

She's just a girl.

And like, at the end of the day, like, it's got to be

horrible that your boyfriend, who like you invented, right?

Like, nobody was looking at Travis Kelsey.

Like, you like saw something in him before everybody else did.

And then it was a meaningful relationship, five years long.

Like, that's long.

To have him end up in a relationship that's like so happy, that has to be hard, of course.

But then it's like with the most famous person, and they become the most famous people.

And everybody loves them together.

Like, everybody's worshiping their relationship in a way that they never did yours.

Like, it's heartbreaking.

That's just like anybody would feel that way.

No, and like, he's over here, like, getting hundred million dollar deals for his podcast.

And, like, when you were with him, he was probably just doing it like as a hobby and like making

you were holding the camera, like, supporting his dreams.

It's giving, you know, Austin Butler and Vanessa Ann.

It is.

She invented him.

She invented him.

And she was the one who told him.

I bet Kayla Nicole was the one who told him to do a podcast with his brother.

Yeah, imagine.

When did they break up?

Kayla.

I feel like six months to a year before Taylored.

That's my guess.

Oh, that's close.

I would have assumed like way longer.

They

broke up.

2022.

2022.

So

2023.

That was 2023.

Yeah.

Well, those were good stories.

Thank you so much for sharing.

And what's so exciting is that we still have Dear Toasters our weekly advice segment.

So if you're ready, is that your former?

No, it's Dear Toasters.

Rats.

Okay.

Okay.

Hey, Jackson Turd.

I'm getting married this spring, and so far, the planning hasn't been stressful until my fiancé's girl best friend asked to do a special dance with him.

Red flag, the great GBF.

He wanted me to ask her to be a bridesmaid, but I said no because we really don't get along.

I think this dance is insane, but he doesn't want to upset their families.

So basically their moms have been best friends since childhood.

His older brother is married to her older sister.

They're basically like family.

My husband had two brothers growing up and he considers her like a sister.

Should I give this, uh, give in to her stupid dance or should I put my foot down?

This is weird.

No.

So she's not his sister.

Just like make that very clear.

And even if that was his sister, he wouldn't do a dance with his sister at the wedding.

The dances are between the husband and the wife, the mother and the son, and the father and the daughter, period.

Put your foot down.

This girl, I don't like this dynamic.

No, this is fucking weird.

First of all, the fact that you would ask for a thing that doesn't exist, like to dance with someone else's husband, is so egregious.

And really, I get why you don't like her.

She's obviously fucking disgusting.

Like, I hate this bitch with my whole pussy.

And like, everything can make you feel like it's weird.

And that you're being rude.

We are here to tell you, like, third-party individuals with no particular interest in the matter.

This bitch is crazy.

Do not, I'll kill you if you let this bitch dance at your wedding.

And also, even if it was like a reasonable request, which is not, if it doesn't make you comfortable and it's your wedding, like, you're allowed, this is the one day where you're allowed to be unreasonable.

Mind you, you are not being unreasonable.

Like it is completely out of bounds for her to even ask this.

I don't give a fuck if these two people like were twins.

Let's say you were marrying twins,

marrying a twin, a fraternal twin, and the twin sister was like, I would have a dad to my twin brother.

No, like, not unless you're a professional dancer, not unless you're Julianne and Derek Huff.

Even then, can they dance?

No, you can't.

I don't think they would, though.

And I was going to say that if she wants to dance with her husband at his wedding, then she should marry him.

Because that's the only way you're getting with the man's on the dance floor.

Check it.

I think that is what she would like to do.

No,

then go marry him.

But if you're not, then I'm not going to be able to do that.

Absolutely not.

But this is so out of balance.

Because you're his sister, right?

Yeah,

keep this girl away from your husband.

I'm sorry.

I hate that when people are close to like, it's like my brother.

But it's not.

It's not.

Like, you could still technically fuck this person and it wouldn't be weird or illegal.

So it's not your brother.

It's not your brother.

It's not.

Like, no, I hate that too.

Like, our moms are, I don't give a fuck.

But our moms, like, we were born in the same hospital.

I don't give a fuck.

It's not your brother.

Like, grow up.

I hate her.

Okay.

Ready for our next one?

Yeah.

Hello, by the way.

I chose this one because it's interesting, but I also need your help in understanding what she called us.

Because, you know, one of my favorite parts of Dear Toasters is seeing how people reference it.

Hearing.

High toast birthers.

B-I-R-T-H-E-R-S, like giving birth to the toast.

Okay.

Because we like,

she said we like invented the toast.

I don't know.

Okay.

A.K.

Jackson Turney.

I need advice because my boyfriend's ex-girlfriend recently posted a TikTok where she says one of her red flags is that she has a complicated relationship with her ex.

I know my boyfriend is her only ex.

Is this valid for me to be upset about?

Like, what do you mean complicated?

Um,

should I be upset at him, at her?

I don't know.

Help.

Am I overreacting?

So, you can't, like, get mad at him over something that, like, crazy over there said and did.

You need to, like, actually find tangible proof.

And also, she could have a complicated relationship with him in her mind.

With her mind.

And that, like, shouldn't come between your healthy relationship.

But also, you have to know, like, people on social media are always dramatizing their own life.

Like, I bet, like, there's an,

by the way, you should look into this, but there's, no, there's a possibility where like she just wants attention.

Like, I'm a crazy girl.

Look at my red flags.

I have a crazy ex.

Like, no, you don't.

And did Amicably and like, it's fine.

She's a crazy mind.

I have a little dating, like look at her recent text messages, like DM history, if you're available, if that's available to you, but do not take out something on him that crazy over there did.

And do not let her affect your otherwise healthy relationship if it is a healthy relationship.

Yeah, and you also have to think about what she said.

She said, I have a complicated relationship with my ex.

Now, that could mean, obviously, like there are things left unsaid.

They talk and it's weird.

It could mean that for sure.

But if you have a complicated relationship with your ex, like you could have a complicated, like you see it in a complicated way.

I have probably a relationship like with my history.

With how I think about it.

Yeah, with how I think about it.

It could be a few different things.

Just giving

mind.

But by the way, we're not delusional.

Like it could also like

be bad.

Yes, but like your boyfriend, I'm assuming like he's trustworthy and you love him and you know him.

And so like you need to go with that over like crazy down the way like if let me ask you another question

i'm assuming this girl is single right what single girl doesn't have a complicated relationship with her ex like once you move on that's where it's relationships are complicated right no but also it's like you love this person now they're a stranger to you that is complicated she's not wrong for that it is complicated

Do a little digging, but like don't automatically assume the worst because like I think she could just be like attention like seeking for likes.

Yeah, and also like then she like put a little poison in your relationship and she's she's happy about that yeah our third and final deer toasters hello swirlies i'm newly married i've been with my significant other for over eight years i'm currently on my honeymoon and i received a text from my sister-in-law the text was screenshots of my latest instagram post on my honeymoon and it said weird fugly ass outfits and she edits her pics

obviously i'm actually so relieved this isn't like about your husband being a philanderer obviously this was meant for someone else i responded out of anger and said next time i'll borrow some of of your V-neck shirts since you have a closet full of them.

Honestly, slight.

My husband supported my message, but now I'm worried that I responded too quickly and I'm maybe driving a wedge between him and his family.

He's very close with them, but they can be overbearing.

His sister has made passive aggressive comments to me before about how I'm white, he's Hispanic, but she's never said anything like explicitly rude before.

Right.

What do I do?

I think you did the complete right thing.

Like, she's a bitch.

Now you know.

Keep your eyes open.

And by the way, you don't have to like do anything.

If anyone should be having a pit, like, oh, what do I do?

It's the sister.

Like, she actually said something so nasty.

By the way, she's obsessed with you, like, refreshing your Instagram.

She's probably one of those sisters who wants to fuck her brother.

It's giving Teresa Judice.

Like, sorry, you should just send a video of you two fucking and being like, is this what you wanted?

Yeah.

Just it's hard to see people living your dreams.

Keep doing you.

Yeah, ignore.

Like, seriously, you don't need to send any more text message.

If anyone like needs to be coming up with a plan writing into her favorite podcast, it's the other bitch.

Like, she needs to make amends.

It's not on you.

Yeah.

Haters gonna be.

And I want to say, you just

Love, love.

Your response was hysterical.

Like, seriously.

And it wasn't like that mean that like you need to ever feel bad.

You gave it to her back, but hers was way meaner.

And I think your response was perfect.

Like, leave it alone.

Yeah.

And you don't, when someone makes like passive aggressive remarks at you and you don't want to stir the pot, you don't really get a lot of opportunities to give it back to them.

But that was like clear as day.

And I'm glad that you took the opportunity.

Because when opportunity knocks, you best be answering.

You best be.

Weren't those good submissions today?

Yeah.

I'm like, I feel like the girlies are going through it, which obviously I'm not happy about, but I feel like in different seasons of life, like sometimes the toasters are doing well, and like the submissions are not on point.

Number three's on her honeymoon.

Number two has a boyfriend.

And what was number one?

Oh, the

number one's getting married to a man who's so desirable.

This girl wants to dance with him.

Everybody wants a piece of him.

The girl.

Of course, everyone's jealous of the toasters.

Of course.

Of course.

And maybe if you listen to the toast, you'd have some idea.

I'm talking to somebody who is obviously not listening, but maybe if if you did, like, maybe you would be happy and like planning a wedding, but you're not.

So

keep screenshotting your sister-in-law's pictures and talking shit.

See where that is.

That's by the way.

And just so you know, like you should sleep well on your honeymoon knowing this bitch has the biggest pit.

Like, what is worse than sending the wrong thing to the wrong person?

Like, talking shit addition.

Like, sometimes it's like embarrassing.

You send a picture that was like meant for your doctor.

But, like,

no, there is nothing, there's no experience worse on the planet

than what that girl is going through.

So, seriously, you should find peace knowing she's having a terrible day.

Yeah, and that, like, they're chatting, like, she's like being like, mom.

Yeah, mom, what do I do?

And it's just like, you got your man.

And you're on your honeymoon.

Like, that's fun.

What's that?

Does this be neck bitch say the same?

Claudia and I didn't hate honeymoons.

No, I was just having this conversation with someone because I ran into somebody who just got married, and she was telling me about her honeymoon.

And she got married around the same time as me, which is right before the Jewish holidays.

And she was like, oh, I don't know.

I'm like, girl, we didn't do it because of the Jewish holidays and we never went.

Like, go, go.

It's all time.

Yeah.

That's our show.

I'm literally out of breath from like how much we talked.

We talk a lot and we sing a lot.

I'm so glad the toasters made it to the end.

And that was an

amazing episode of this pod.

Oh, one step closer to being

our real life friends.

Love that.

I feel like that's a good way to end it.

I don't even do our visual thing.

I think we should end our show by attempting a heart.

Have a great day, everyone.

Thanks for listening.

This is my new favorite segment.

Love you.

Love you.

Bye.