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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday.

Hope everybody's having a gargie party morning.

And speaking of gargie party.

Wait, it's Thursday.

Yeah.

Why are you looking at me like that?

Uh, I'm just looking at you.

I

feel a little disoriented, but I am having a gargie party morning

to kick things off on the right foot because Yahwah Sinwar has been eliminated.

Yes, the head of Hamas, kind of famed.

If you know, you know, like Yahwah Sinwar.

I'm absolutely sending condolences to Bela Hadin today.

The morally corrupt.

The only, like, they have been saying for so long that he is hidden underground.

They don't know where he is, but that he has like, you know, the remaining hostages like surrounding him so that, you know, if Israel tries, they can't.

He wasn't found with any hostages which like fucking sucks but a win is a win yeah no this is such a major win like I think it's the number one target of like they got Masrallah which was so amazing they got another

equivalent like you remember where you were when you heard that like uh Saddam Hussein had been killed yeah or Osama bin Laden I mean I get so confused there's been a couple big names like that like in the last few months but Sinmore was the one who planned October 7th his story is actually so crazy if you don't know like he's been a terrorist popping off for like decades He was arrested and he was in Israel, in an Israeli prison, and he was actually exchanged in a prisoner exchange for one Israeli soldier who was taken hostage back in like 2006, Gilad Chalit.

Gilad Chalit was exchanged for over 1,000 terrorists.

Wait, I did not know.

Okay.

And Yahwah Sinwar was one of them.

I did not know that.

He was given back in the Gilad Shalit exchange.

Then he went on to continue his terrorist activity and he was the mastermind of October 7th.

Also, while he was in an Israeli prison, he was complaining that he had headaches and the doctors found cancer in his brain and they operated on him and removed the cancer and performed life-saving surgery on this piece of shit.

And that's just the craziest thing.

Wait, I had no idea that Gilad Chelli did it at all.

You guys, if you grew up, like and you're our age and you're Jewish, like you grew up, like your whole life, your childhood revolved around Gilad Chelli.

Like he was taken hostage and it was just like just major tragedy for years and years and years and years.

And like Israel never gave up.

And then like literally a couple of years ago, they got him back.

I didn't realize, I knew that they had traded like, you know, 1500 for one.

And I didn't realize one of those 1,500 was Yahweh Sinwar.

And that's why when people are like, it's a prisoner exchange.

It's literally, no, it's not.

No, they're like, it's a hostage exchange.

It's not hostages that Israel is giving back.

There's legitimate terrorist prisoners.

And they go on to commit more terror, which is why it's hard to give them.

back to do it but they do it to save the lives of the innocent people so hopefully this is like uh you know blowing the case wide open reaching more hostages, the B boss family, like this is huge.

This is really huge.

I mean, Hamas has obviously like been very much weakened in the last year of the war, but to take out the number one guy in this group, it's really amazing stuff.

Yeah.

I was just going to make a joke, but it's actually like not fair to Jax Taylor.

The amount of pop culture references I've put into this recap.

Just to make it palatable for the Swirlies.

Just to make it palatable for the Swirlies.

It's like the Jax Taylor of Hamas.

Now, that's not cool because Jax Taylor is, you know, not a terrorist, but it was a joke.

Yeah, no, not the number one guy in the group.

We have so much to talk about today.

I didn't even chat with you.

Were you able to watch the Tell Me Lies finale?

I was.

We will do an official TV recap at the end of the show.

So if you're avoiding spoilers, don't worry.

It'll be at the end.

We will get, we have to get into it.

We have a lot to do today.

There's three major things.

One, Sinoir.

Two, Tell Me Lies.

Three, and this is in no particular order.

Three, Liam Payne.

Yeah, that was shocking.

That was like probably the most shocked I've been in my lifetime.

Yeah.

Everything, all the news today, pop culture news

is Liam Payne, like every like details.

Of course, it's a story.

It's like, it's like the story.

And then there's a couple others.

And then there's Tell Me Lies recap.

So

it's like, if this were a heart rate monitor, there's like three big peaks in the show.

Yep, yep, yep.

I love that medical analysis.

I'm just giving a lot of analyses today.

And then also one extra peak at the end of the show is that when Turdy arises from her coccydenia pillow, she's headed off to my house.

I am so looking forward to the meal that will greet me upon arrival.

I do arrive around dinner time.

I flights at like 3, 3.30-ish.

Which means by the time I get to your house, it will be dinner time and I will be set for dinner.

And I'm really looking forward to seeing what you put together.

Obviously, I gave you my request, but you're going to do your own thing with it.

I gave you the menu options and you placed your order, and that's what you'll get.

And I'm excited.

And I told you, Ben's flying in too as well.

No, and I keep asking you because Harry keeps asking.

Every time I say coacher's coming, coach is coming.

He said, and Uncle Ben.

I'm like, that's really good question.

That's literally disgusting.

He's so rude.

But he's really excited about Uncle Ben.

Yes, of course.

Like I said to Ben, so Ben was supposed to be like in and out of Florida this week and last week.

That does affect the number of meatballs I make.

So thank you for letting me know.

It might be a thing for us tonight.

I think he has a dinner,

like a work thing tonight.

In my town?

In your town.

That's, I don't even have a work thing in my town.

Leave it to Ben to have contacts, like hose in different area codes.

I actually like once in a while get invited to like an event in my town.

I just like want to go to encourage events in my town.

I've not made it to one yet.

The way you're saying my town.

Why do I feel like, is that like a 30 rock reference?

No.

No, but it's like, and the town in which I live.

What is that from?

Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

I think it's a family inside joke.

You live in the town.

Of course, that's an OG family joke.

I'm talking about the town in which I live.

Guys, what am I thinking of?

My references are just getting like crossed today.

Maybe it'll come out.

It's okay.

So I haven't been to any events in my town.

But I look forward to going to some.

And anyways, maybe like I'd like to hear what Ben's got going on.

I don't think you'd be interested in Ben.

It's like a Spritz investor, like who lives near you, like having dinner.

Oh, cute.

Yeah, so cute.

I'm pretty sure he's out on dinner.

So I don't need to make, I don't need to account for him in the meatballs count.

I don't know.

You know what's so interesting about you and your cooking?

Just something like I gleaned from eating a lot of your food this summer is like you don't cook obscene amounts.

Like you always have leftovers, like maybe one or two meatballs.

Like, bitch, make the other pack.

Like.

That's because I don't like leftovers, really.

I don't like old chicken.

I don't

like heating it back up.

The way that meatball tastes right out of the oven is so much different than after being in a Tupperware in the microwave.

And I'd rather just make them again.

Okay.

Okay.

Kumza.

But I do, I definitely suffer from quantity control.

It's hard because I either don't have enough.

Like sometimes Zach and I are splitting a breast of chicken.

If the boys decide they each want their own, because the packs I buy come in three.

Yeah.

So like if the boys are extra hungry, they each get their own press and Sagoniz split.

Or I have all this old chicken in the fridge that I'm throwing away in four days.

No, measuring and like

deciding how much food to cook for like X amount of people is literally impossible.

No, I just make however much comes in the bag and hopefully like I make the same amount for when I'm like making a meal for my family versus if the Shapiros are coming.

I'll just eat less.

No, and then like in my family, it's like everyone is constantly on and off Ozempic.

So like some weeks I'm like, no one will eat a thing.

And then it's like, oh, everyone's off and the food is gone.

So we have to factor that in as well.

The semaglotide.

Yeah, the semaglutide.

Do you know that it's pronounced semaglotide?

I love that.

It's not semaglutide.

I saw that Wagovi commercial.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, Wagovi.

Oh, no, that's the Ozempic one.

The Wagovi one is Greatest Showman.

Have you seen that one?

No, I don't really watch that.

Wigovi.

No.

Oh,

you haven't seen that Wagovi one?

No, I have not.

I am brave.

Wigovi.

They want to get me on Wagovi.

Oh, my God.

It's literally inspiring.

Good luck watching that commercial.

You don't have to try so hard.

Well,

yeah, they did like a.

they basically saw Ozempic, like OOO, Ozempic, and they said, hold my beer.

And they made a Wagobi one with greatest.

They said, hold my needle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They said, shoot up.

It's so good.

How did we get here?

Oh, well, you were checking out food.

Oh, but I saw a meme on Instagram today.

Not a meme.

Hey, grandma, tell us about the meme.

I saw a graphic.

I think you mean the little...

I think you mean the meme-ee.

I saw a little graphic, a little illustration.

It was for Thanksgiving, but it showed exactly how much you should make of each thing per person.

So salad, you should make one and a half cups of salad per person.

Pie, two small pieces per person.

Turkey, one and a half pounds.

That felt like a lot.

See, the thing is, like, that's helpful.

And I appreciate someone at least trying to solve this issue that we're talking about, but each family is so personal.

Like, weirdly enough, like, we're like a big fat family and we eat a ton of salad.

Like, so that's not a hard time.

So everybody has their own preferences.

We're also like, we're not a family who really fucks with cranberry sauce.

So the personalizations make graphics like that obsolete.

Gravy, half a cup per person.

I can't believe how much of this I remember.

No, we're not even doing Thanksgiving.

Gravy.

The thing about Thanksgiving, and I'm so glad we're talking about it, is that Thanksgiving is literally a top two favorite holiday of mine.

Like I love Thanksgiving.

I hate Thanksgiving food.

Like there's no, I really don't like roast turkey.

I don't like cranberry sauce.

I don't like stuffing.

I don't like sweet potatoes.

I like mashed potatoes, even though that's not even like a,

I feel like I would really like like southern

cornsgiving cornbread mac and cheese I once made a cornbread

Was it stuffing cornbread stuffing I don't like stuffing the good thing the last two years I made my own Thanksgiving and I could scour the internet make whatever I wanted try new things that we never had growing up and I was then able to whittle it down to like things that I actually like at my Thanksgiving and it's just turkey mashed potatoes sweet potatoes and green beans just like steamed I don't want them creamy not almondine creamy beanie.

Not almandine?

No, I don't need green bean casserole.

Yucky.

It's a vegetable.

Calm down.

Yeah, no, no.

That's so American of us, like making the vegetable like a 4,000 calorie dish.

One thing I am good at when I'm cooking is when I'm making potatoes.

I feel like a really good, whether it's French fries, mashed potatoes, cassoulet, one potato per person.

Right?

Because you wouldn't eat more than one potato.

One whole potato?

Yeah.

One whole potato per person.

I don't know, mashed.

I would eat more than one.

That's true.

I also love potatoes.

I'm learning about myself late in life.

Like even just like a boiled potato, I love.

Yeah.

The word boil

has multiple meanings, you know?

And

it was just shocking to hear you say it.

And maybe like the intonation in which you said it, I thought you were referencing like a pinball.

I was not.

Boil.

But thanks for ruining my new fave.

You're welcome.

Like last night I made some soup and I threw some potatoes in there and they were mighty tasty.

I actually had leftover serafina last night.

It was so good.

Yummy.

It was yummy, yummy in yummy, tummy.

Yummy in turt, tummy.

Okay, so Ben and I have a running joke.

Ben said something to me one time, like maybe six years ago, and it was so deeply offensive and like rude that I literally talk about it probably once a week.

And he was basically saying

how like, we were like, we were early early on dating but we were very much like together for maybe a year or two and he was like talking about how every time we like have dinner it's like he was basically calling me high maintenance like why do we have to like go out and like do so fancy he's like why can't we just like grab a slice

and I was like excuse me and I also think we were talking about it in reference we had just met one of his friends new girlfriends and Ben was like she's so chill and he was like not like you like you know we she grabs a slice and I'm like

And the way he said like grab like grabs a slice is like spoken about in my house seriously once a week.

Not only was it like such a losery, fucking lame-ass thing to say, two, it was mean.

Like, sorry, I'm special.

I'm like, I deserve to be treated like a princess.

Right.

But it's like, you're not even high maintenance about like going out.

Like, you could cook at home.

I don't think like grabbing a slice, like, it doesn't hit all like food groups, you know?

But first of all, a slice of pizza, let's be real, is a sack.

No, it's not like a proper dinner to grab.

Unless you're going to a baseball game and you actually need to like grab a slice on the way.

But like,

it's, it's a snack or it's a late night treat.

Like, it's really not.

And if you're ordering dinner, do you ever just order pizza?

No, you get pasta you get a salad like you round out your meal.

So sorry that you're a well-rounded eater and at the time I really was a well-rounded eater like I I was so like shook when he said it and now it's like a running joke He's like seriously He'll never never ever live it down.

I can't believe I don't think I've ever said that this story on the toast like grab a slice grab a slice and whenever we're eating pizza I'm like isn't it so great?

We're just like grabbing a slice but actually

we have weirdly like been grabbing so many slices recently because like there's just a pizza place that opened on our block and it's not like a mate, it's just like good New York pizza.

And whenever Ben's walking Romeo, he just like picks up pizza and it's like this thing we started to do.

And you know what?

He was on to something about grabbing a slice.

Like literally last night we were watching the Mets game.

We had, oh no, two nights ago, just like baseball, by the way, falls into the baseball category.

We just had like slices, dices, and like, you know, garlic knots.

Like it was so, I'm so chill.

Like I'm literally not like other girls.

A couple times in my city life, I can remember a couple eras of slice grabbing.

Zach used to live across the street from an amazing slice.

99 cents.

99 cent pizza.

And we used to always pick it up on our way back from going out.

And it always smelled a little bit like vomit,

the institution.

So I couldn't go there sober.

So it was a place where nobody went sober.

Right.

And it just, I associated it with like smelly drunk people.

So I couldn't grab a slice sober.

And then I remember later in life, like when I was more adulting, a couple times like on my walk home, I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to grab two slices for dinner.

And like, I just remember them sitting out.

They look disgusting.

Like, it never worked out for me.

Grabbing a slice never worked out for me.

Jackie, I meant to call you last night, and I'm so glad that I didn't because the craziest thing happened.

It better be fucking crazy.

No, it actually is.

And, like, oh, like, only you and the toasters would appreciate this.

I was like trying to explain it to Ben and he didn't get it.

Only me and a couple hundred thousand.

Literally.

Only you and the millions and the masses.

We're watching the Mets game.

It's Mets versus Dodgers.

Did you meet the Mets?

No, I didn't.

The picture.

One day the answer is going to be yes.

One day it will be.

Actually, I have met a Met.

Does that count?

No.

Meet the Met.

Yeah.

So, you know, they switch pictures every couple of innings because I don't know why.

And I was like, I thought I heard them say his name.

I'm like, oh, that sounds kind of familiar.

And then they did like a whole like DBQ.

Yeah.

And I'm like, oh, I know why I know him.

Do you know who it was for the Dodgers?

Tell me if this name means anything to you.

I know it does.

Michael Kopeck.

Of course.

Brielle.

Brielle to Vanessa Morgan Pipeline.

Yes.

He's been in the Dodgers.

And by the way, he was crushing it.

Like, when he was dating Brielle, he was in the actual minor leagues.

Yeah.

Never give up on your dreams.

No, no.

And they were saying he got traded at the very last minute this year, like right before the deadline, like kind of going nowhere, having a renaissance, a Michael Kopeck renaissance.

If you guys remember the Brielle Beerman, Michael Kopeck days, like

that was truly the last time I was happy.

But now she's engaged.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then he ended up leaving her and dating Vanessa Morgan.

Did they have a baby together?

Or they got engaged.

They had a baby together and I think she like left him when she was pregnant.

Yeah, it was like something nefarious was going on there.

That's always crazy.

Yeah, yeah.

It gave me like a suspicious eye.

There's no amicable way that happens.

I know he's like in the sports world and he has been like his whole career, but like to see him enter the sports world for the first time, it was really shocking.

It was like Sabrina Carpenter in her new album.

Welcome to the music industry.

Exactly.

Like I know you've been here for six years, but personally, you just got here.

Yeah.

So that's what I did last night.

Grabbed a slice and saw Michael Coate back.

Love that for you.

I watched Tell Me Lies and then I started a new book for my community book club as I said for my township.

It's actually not my community.

It's my township.

Not the township.

Local affair.

Yeah.

It's open up to the town.

And what about your countywide book club?

I'm not in a countywide book club.

Well, maybe you should start it.

That would require me getting on the highway for meetings.

Oh, so true.

She's got to stay local.

Got to stay local.

That's so funny.

Are you going to pick me up from the airport today?

I plan on it.

I'll let you know afterwards the only thing that might come in the way, but I already Google maps it and I can get there.

I know I can.

I'm just letting you know, like, if you don't, that's fine.

But, like, somebody

up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It could be a Zach situation.

And feel free to, like, throw one of the kids in the back.

Like, you know, let me car ride.

They would love to see the airplanes.

Feel free to pick up Kayla.

Like, and I'll take any of them, honestly.

Baylor?

Yeah.

Baylor.

Baylor, Kaylor.

Baylor University.

Feel free to pick up Baylor University.

Okay.

Or Creevy.

Or Creevy, of course.

Lee Guy, Creevy, of course, of course.

I'm really not particular.

I know.

I know that about you.

And, you know, in my heart, like, there is an order, obviously.

Like, if I had to say, like, I would,

I would never say the order.

But I feel like, do you feel like, well, you're like a mom, so I'm not.

Like, do you feel like with niece, I need to talk to somebody who has a lot of nieces and nephews and no children of their own.

Like,

do you feel like it's okay to have like favorites for nieces and nephews?

I objectively do think so.

I think that's just like what happens.

I feel like it's just really like not okay to have favorite children.

Everything else is, I feel like even grandparents sometimes have a favorite.

And it's like, it's the stakes are lower when you're a grandparent.

And I feel like, tell me if this is a universal feeling.

Like, I feel like the eldest child of all your nieces and nephews, like the, like, like Olivia's oldest, your oldest, like, they just hit different.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, you're just really special.

I agree with you, but I also don't think it's fair for you to call yet because like the other children are not people yet you have yet to be able to enjoy them yeah yeah let's talk when they're all like

have personalities and talking to you and who love like you might find that one of the younger ones like is always wanting to call coachers always wants to play with coachers like yeah yeah i'm looking forward to seeing like which kid will be like you know asking me to buy cigarettes for them you know because i totally would right so what you're saying like definitely is possible but i think it's too soon to call okay that's such a fair assessment Thank you.

Now, I think if it's okay with you.

Now, without further ado, we're going to get into the Fast Five stories.

And I'm going to do a little bit of a rework today.

And everyone's going to be okay with that.

What does that mean?

We don't know.

It's four stories.

And the fifth one is Tell Me Lies Recap because I don't want to just pick a nonsense story when I'm desperate to talk about the show.

So

historically, I have suggested that you've been very principled about the five.

Oh, no.

Usually when we do that, this is how we sneak it in, guys, a little trait secrets.

It'll be like Jackson White, like a story about what happened on set.

That he said, and then we lean into the TV recap which is jersey just a waste we do it a lot with reality tv because like news happens a housewife katie maloney has a new boyfriend

is a story i know i know okay that would lead into a vanderpump recap right right right but for the sake of today like literally the name on everybody's lips is tell me lies we just need to get to it so that's what we're doing today and sometimes i give you guys a sixth so i do that for days like this Thank you for the explanation.

You're welcome.

So now without further ado, here are the fast four stories plus the fifth and final with the TV recap that you need to know.

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Like, I'm actually out of breath from just like slaying those ads.

Like, did I stop for one second?

No.

Did she stutter?

Oh, my God.

Our first story, the big news of the day, very tragic news, is that former One Direction member Liam Payne has died died at the age of 31 after falling from a balcony in Buenos Aires, Argentina at a hotel from the third floor of his hotel room.

So on Wednesday, he fell from the third floor of his hotel room at Casa Sur Palermo Hotel in Buenos Aires, according to local officials.

The police said in a statement that his fall resulted in extremely serious injuries with medics confirming his death on the spot.

Cause of death was like internal and external bleeding and injuries.

and he died pretty instantaneously.

Jackie, I, you know, when like you're reading words and you can't believe it.

So, first of all, my friend Liz texted me.

She was like, Claudia, Liam Payne died.

And I actually thought like it was some sort of joke.

I didn't believe it.

And then I just went to Twitter to like, you know, triple check and it was there.

And I was shocked.

It reminded me a lot of how I felt when I heard that Kobe Bryant died.

Like when someone who's like not old or sick, like just vanishes, I was

shocked.

I could not believe it.

Like,

what on earth?

Yeah.

and then so many things started to come out and like on twitter i don't know it do you feel like it all i feel like we found out like with his family like i feel like because he had posted on snapchat one hour he'd been posting all day and then when i found out if you go to his snapchat it said one hour ago so it all happened so fast then i saw pictures of the inside of his hotel room And then, and a lot of people are like really upset over TMZ posting pictures of his body.

Now, it wasn't like a full picture, but like zoomed in.

They cut his head out.

just to show his tattoos to like show that it was him they were showing like a dead body on the floor which was like insane I'm telling you

I feel like we found like his family must have found out at the same time as the public I feel like the hotel maybe like I don't I don't think it's like a big fancy private hotel I just think

it got out like insane like that's how I feel Unless I who knows who was in the room with him because maybe like when it happened they immediately like called whoever's closest to him maybe but it couldn't have been the difference of more than like 10 to 30 minutes.

I don't know if anyone was with him because he was on this trip with his girlfriend and she had left Buenos Aires two days ago.

Right.

But there were people like in his, that last picture, there's a picture of him going around.

That was like the last picture of him.

I think it was from like an hour before.

And it's when he was in the hotel because he was like, even before.

He had been asked to leave the lobby.

Lobby.

Right.

I feel like he was upstairs with people.

Maybe it was friends or people that he had met.

I can't imagine he was completely alone.

Yeah.

But apparently he was in the lobby, like acting strangely.

They had called the police and they kicked him out of the lobby and they said like this person appears to be under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

Right.

I've seen a lot of stuff and I've seen a lot that's like probably unverified, but also seen stuff like in the news and stuff.

And so it's hard to like keep apart like what's legit, but it does seem like he was partying.

Yeah.

I think one of these articles said that like he threw himself off the balcony.

Well, so there is not like a confirmed, did he trip?

Like was he being like, you know, party, party and like you know fell over right did he intentionally i i think it was an accident yeah i but there is no definite we're not sure yet no yeah i i nobody knows like what he was

doing like intentions were yeah what his intentions were um

but i do think what is clear is that there was like drugs and alcohol involved it's so sad like for a million reasons one he's like a young guy who shouldn't be dead two he is a seven-year-old kid Like, that's devastating.

Three, he means a lot to a lot of people.

Like, obviously, his career has shifted in recent years, but like what he's known for, like, it really means a lot.

You forget how big and deep the fandom is, like, because they're no longer together.

But now, like, I'm seeing so much, like, content about One Direction and like how, like, the influence it had on so many young girls.

And so, it's really, it is the most tra, like, I'm in shock.

It is so tragic.

Yeah.

And so

just sad.

And I think so many people are obviously like wondering what all the other members are thinking and doing and saying and if they're going to show up.

But at the end of the day, this is just like a young guy who is a dad and he should not be dead.

Yeah.

No, it is.

It's so sad.

It's very sad.

And I think there was obviously there was a lot going on with him in the last few weeks that now, like in hindsight, like led up

and looks different and seems to be like a cry for help then, you know?

Yeah, but there's also like a lot of conversations being had about Maya Henry who's his ex-girlfriend right a lot a lot of what we're talking about in the last couple of weeks when it comes to Liam Payne is because she's sharing sort of the

dark side of their relationship yeah and the things that she suffered during like at his

during their time together and so I think she's receiving like a lot of hate because like the timing is obviously

bad yeah um

but like you know two things can be true right yeah and also

not that we could ever even know enough to say, but we don't, not even a fraction know anything

of what like happened between what brought him to what was going on with him yesterday, the days before.

Like, we just don't know anything.

So, right, Erson is gone.

And it's a tragedy.

Current girlfriend had said that, like, the reason why she left is because they were only supposed to be there for

like four nights.

And that was when the concert was that we were talking about last week, the Niall Horn one.

And the trip just kept getting extended, extended.

And she's like, I don't want to be home, away from home for that long.

So I left two days ago.

So to be so far away from home when you pass away and like your family's not nearby, like it's so many elements of this just make this so, so tragic.

Yeah.

And even the fact that like his girlfriend who he was there with like left and he stayed.

Like that's.

It's not a good sign.

It's yeah.

There's there was obviously like a lot.

going on.

He was not in a good place and it led to this and for it to be just like so final is really, really sad.

Yeah.

So much of it reminds me oddly of Kobe Bryant's death.

Like, remember when Vanessa Bryan ended up suing and winning the case against, who was that against the LAPD?

Because they had also released photos.

Now, a government agency is obviously different than like a...

tabloid.

But so much of it just reminds me like the rollout too.

Like we all found out.

I think the Bryant family found out at the same time as we did.

A lot of people found out.

A lot of people close to him found out from the media.

Like,

so it reminded me so much of that.

And also just like the nature of it being so tragic and like such a young, talented, otherwise healthy person.

Yeah.

Terrible story.

I was so surprised.

Like I can't even put into words how it took me like 45 minutes for the letters that I was reading to compute into English.

Do you know what I mean?

Even though you called me and told me and I, and that's exactly what I said to you.

Like I felt like it took me a number of seconds to like understand what you just said.

Because what?

Yeah.

It's so sad.

Like seriously so sad, especially for his son.

Yeah.

So I'm sure we'll get more information.

And of course the tributes are rolling in and we'll keep you posted.

But as you said, it's pretty final and just terrible.

Terrible.

Are you ready for our next story?

I'm just going to switch the gear.

Yeah, we got to.

I'm just going to.

And I'm going to caveat this story by saying it's nothing that you or I will care about, but I know a lot of people are going to care.

So we are doing this in service of others.

We are doing this in service of others to let you know that Sophia Bush is joining Grey's Anatomy.

Oh.

Yeah,

so One Tree Hills R.A.

and Chicago PD star Sophia Bush is about to put on on some scrubs.

She has landed a recurring role on Grey's Anatomy, joining the medical drama's 21st season as Dr.

Cass Beckman, a trauma surgeon described as, quote, amiable, fun, and a little messy around the edges.

Her role will debut on November 7th, the day after my birthday.

The day after my birthday.

Let me tell you, like, things that make sense, this, like, you're telling me Sophia Bush wasn't on Grey's Anatomy already?

When I read this article, I was like, let me just make sure it's not like she was already on it and now she's going to get a permanent role.

No, let me just make sure this show, this article isn't from six years ago.

Like, she's on those shows pdmd chicago nbc like they're all the same to me yeah i think this is great i feel like the venn diagram of people who love sophia bush and watch grey's anatomy is mostly a circle a thousand percent maybe a circle with like two little ears like mickey mouse yep but i think this is really great for the community and for television i also think when you're on sophia bush has done a good job when you think about all the girls from that show it's it's a really hard thing to be on like an iconic years long series and then do what afterwards, right?

And I don't think the other girls, really in terms of acting, ever did that much.

And they recently had like a big podcast, like a rewatch podcast with Hillary, Bethany, Joy Lens, and Sophia Bush that I think ended really poorly.

There's like beef between the girls.

So that's over.

And I think Sophia Bush has actually done a really great job of...

staying away.

She's like really the definition of a working actor.

Yeah.

And I think the PDMD NBC shows have been really good for her.

And Grey's Anatomy is just kind of like a promotion from that.

Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment.

Another one of the One Tree Hill cast makes is making like a lot of

Bethany.

Bethany, because she's on the cover of People.

She was on Call Her Daddy.

I didn't watch One Tree Hill, so I don't know who she plays.

If she's not the other girl, who's Haley Scott?

Haley Scott, which is Bethany Joy Lens.

Hillary Burton, who's Peyton.

Right.

And then Sophia, who is, what's her name in the show?

He's on the door, Peyton.

He's on the damn door next to you.

She

I don't know Brooke Davis.

Yes, thank you Brooke

So yes the other girl cuz she was in a cult Yeah, and like who knew she would like was maybe that's why she hasn't done much acting because she was like silently suffering in a cult She's now telling her story She's now telling her story.

So just like one tree hill.

It's Having a moment.

It is it is they're always having a moment, especially if you live in North Carolina.

They go back to that town tree hill.

I know I keep seeing Chad Michael Murray in a basketball court with his brother.

They like have reunions where, like, in the town where they filmed, I don't think it's really called Tree Hill.

I think it's like Wilmington or something.

And they like go to the school where they filmed.

And they have like, I think it's all for charity.

And it's like cool.

Like, fans pay to like, you know, go see.

But Chad Michael Murray,

Nathan Scott, like they all show up.

It's cute.

It's cute.

I never watched an episode of One Tree Hill and I really like confuse it with Friday Night Lights a little bit, which I did watch.

But Friday Night Lights didn't have Gavin DeGras.

I'm gonna just say that.

But but One Tree Hill didn't have that instrumental theme song.

Sorry, Friday Night Lights is like not even, this isn't even an opinion, this is just fact, is the greatest TV show ever created.

Like they seriously don't make it.

Better than Desperate Housewives?

It's such a tough question because like they're so different.

So in their respective, the respective categories and genres, they're obviously the best.

But if I were to pit two against each other, it just depends.

Like what mood am I in?

Do I want to cry or do I want to laugh?

Like

I think

One Tree Hill has more.

I mean, sorry, Friday Night Lights has more heart than Desperate Housewives.

Yeah.

But Desperate Housewives has more smarts.

Yeah.

It's hard to throw smarts.

Sound up in the comments.

Because like,

because I don't even know.

I think those are the two.

Like, what other are the greatest shows?

I'll throw some out there, not saying these are my nominees.

Okay.

The OC.

No.

It kind of like it had one and a half good seasons.

Yep.

Gossip Girl, no.

Gossip Girl, no.

I don't know if this is, this isn't really comparable because now like we get into like a different category of like madmen, which then brings you to like Game of Thrones.

By the way, Mad Men and Game of Thrones are definitely up in the top five greatest TV shows of all time.

And I'm going to put in there, tell me lies.

Honestly, agreed.

So sound off in the comments.

What's your number one?

It's subjective.

There's no right answer is what I'm going to say.

But there are wrong answers.

For other people, like succession,

wrong.

Agreed.

Even like Yellowstone, which I love,

when we're comparing it to the Friday Night Lights, no, it doesn't.

It's not there.

People would say Grey's Anatomy.

I'm sorry, a show that never ends.

Like, part of being a great show is landing the plane at some point.

28 seasons.

Like, who needs that many shows?

Lost.

Gracie's dad's show.

Gracie's Dad's show.

I've seen it.

It was good.

Yeah, it's up there, but I don't...

I'm getting really into Gracie.

She's so good.

By the way, I don't know if you know this.

She's JJ's daughter.

Her dad is the guy who created Star Wars.

No.

I don't know if you know this, but she is our opener for Taylor.

I don't know if we were planning on going to like the openers.

Oh,

she's the direct opener.

Like, you're not going to be able to put the boys down and see Gracie Abrams.

I didn't think I would be able to, but we'll

map it out.

That's good to know, though.

Also, do people say, because I was watching Snitch's concert stories of her, like, do people say she is very similar to Taylor Swift, like in terms of Taylor's early work?

I think that as a songwriter, and that's like why they're such good friends, is their ability to like put to lyrics the feelings we all feel.

But I don't know.

I don't think there are that many like direct comparisons between them.

What do you think is similar?

Like, I just think their way of telling stories and capturing like young, romantic girl emotions.

What do you think about her and Paul Mezcal?

I like it.

I like it too.

I like it because I don't not like it.

Correct.

There's nothing not to like.

Exactly.

Neither of them have offended me.

They're good-looking people who have a great career ahead of them.

So not one person is like being dragged down by the other.

I do feel, and I don't know Paul Mezcal in a personal sense, I could see him like taking like a moral

like opposition against her privilege.

Yeah.

I don't know why.

I could just see him like thinking he's too good for it.

Yeah.

But I kind of love that he's so free, you know?

Yeah.

Speaking of something that we didn't even talk about that I feel like we needed to was Jacob Belordi and Olivia Jade's Italian vacation.

I'm so fucking obsessed with these two.

I like Claudia so much, so I watched her vlog from Italy.

Yeah, of course, did you look for him because he wasn't in there?

No, I know.

No, she's so, first of all, the way she has come back from like largely one of the biggest influencer scandals, probably the biggest, is is beyond impressive.

And like, seriously, I feel like when we talk about her now, we don't even think about college admissions.

And nobody really comes back from something that big in a way that she has, which is just like, she deserves so much kudos for that because it's the hardest thing to do.

Two,

she is so fucking cool.

Like, and she's so naturally cool.

Like, you watch her videos, she's not even doing anything that crazy.

It's like, please teach me.

No, even the way she's just like putting moisturizer on.

I'm like, how do I use my hands?

The little dainty fingers.

Like, when I put on face cream, it's like, seriously, a behemoth scratching their face.

She She is so delicate and her style is so unique.

Like even she wears things, I'm like, the fuck?

She looks so good.

Like good luck putting me in that.

She's so natural and time.

And I know, obviously, like it takes an obscene amount of money to like be this stylish and naturally.

But you know, in the vlog, she was shopping at Zara, doing a try-on in the dressing room, just picking out like simple items.

And she just has great style.

I mean this in like the most serious way.

I would literally take a bullet to be her.

And of course, nobody's life is perfect.

Okay.

Like, you look like Olivia Jade and Date Jacob Lorde.

Down.

Give it a shot.

She was making pasta too.

I think that's next for me.

Yeah.

I was talking to Shannon and she was saying that sourdough is next for her and she might need some starter.

Oh, I need pasta making tips from Shannon because I don't see myself going to Italy soon.

So I think we should have maybe a Zoom.

I think I need her up on my computer.

A Zoom.

A webinar.

A WebEx.

That is so funny.

We could sell tickets.

Honestly, that's like a great business idea.

I would buy one.

I would watch it, like the replay.

I'm so glad you brought up Olivia Jade and Jacob Belarty.

Like, just two people.

And they've really been together for a long time.

Remember that first picture of them at the dog park together?

Like, she was wearing tights and they were wearing masks because it was still like COVID-19.

That's it's literally been over two years.

They were giving Violet and Zayden from Fourth Wing.

Yes, it's giving like, when are you getting married?

They've been together for a while.

And by the way, vacationing with your family was her family's trip.

Yeah.

And I was obsessed with those pictures of them on the boat, like reading and drinking wine.

Like, what were they reading?

You read the reading.

From the fourth wedding.

No, you know that Olivia Jade is like a swirly on TikTok.

Like she was reading a book that we've definitely read.

100%.

Yeah.

And you know what?

I actually do have a fifth and final story that I'm going to add to the mix.

Oh, wow.

I just remembered something I wanted to discuss.

Great.

Are you ready for our next story?

What number?

Number three, I can't believe we made that Sophia Bush last so long.

Oh, yeah.

Wow.

We are so talented.

We are so good at what we do.

Number three, Vanderpump rules is Katie Maloney reveals she's in love with a new boyfriend.

So Katie Maloney revealed on her podcast, disrespectfully, with her co-host Dana, who is Dana from VPR, who should have been on more seasoned.

One season wonder.

One season.

Who was a great cast member, but she took her talents to the podcasting sphere and together they do a podcast.

Dana asked her, do you have any life updates that you would like to share?

And she said, I'll share.

I have a boyfriend.

Yeah, I'm in love.

She went on to say that he makes me feel really special and he's really special.

And she said, I'm just really, really happy.

So many things.

One, like sending love to Satchel.

Obviously, this must be really hard for him.

I hope he's not.

The original Satchel.

I hope his friends are checking in on him today.

Two, I'm actually really happy.

She, by the way, Maloney.

She didn't say it's not Satchel.

I'm like, oh, that's so true.

Maybe they reconnected.

Yeah, just want to leave, hold space for that.

Kitty Maloney was in such a toxic marriage with probably one of the worst husbands to ever exist.

And she like actively knew.

It's not like she thought that this was how like your husband was supposed to treat you.

She literally knew that it was supposed to be different and it was supposed to be better.

And like she took control of that, no matter how hard it was and like

got divorced and like actively sought out like a normal relationship.

And she must be like so, she must be in shock.

Like to win someone.

Now, I don't know if maybe it's a terrible relationship.

I'm not going to assume the right one for her, but if she's happy and it's a good one, then that must just be such a good feeling after years of like really being second fiddle to your own husband.

I'm just like, let's assume it's like a good, decent relationship and he's like a nice guy who is nice to women.

It must be shocking to her system, like to see like, oh my God, this is what all you bitches were doing in your relationship for the last 10 years while I was like silently suffocating in the valley.

I'm actually so happy for her.

Me too.

And then like as a consumer of the show, the timing lines up because they are either filming now or about to start filming.

And if they're in love and legit, like maybe we'll see him.

It's not early days.

That's what's nice about this it's not early days i'm glad you brought up dana like i feel like fandom rules oddly even though they had this like huge surge with scandal i think they have this kind of impasse with like they don't know where to go from here and how the valley factors in and what the casting is going to be and i think that dana is like a really fresh she was very good she was a good reality star like it came natural to her i think that she should be on it i think so too i feel like maybe it was more of her choice not to because i don't see why why they wouldn't have her yeah yeah like in those dark seasons that she was like part of like some of the worst tv ever ever, she was such the only bright spot.

I think it was one season, that's how long it was.

It was one season, but I'm saying, like, that era that was like kind of bad for Vanderpromp Ruhls, yeah, she is like with Charlie and Danica, what's her name?

Matt, and Brex.

Who was it?

Was it her name?

Danica, the suspended manager.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, those were such dark times.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, happy for Katie Maloney.

Me, like, actually, me too.

Are you ready for our fourth story?

Yeah.

Which is is some book news because Pope Francis is making history, not history.

Memoirs of a Pope?

Memoirs of a Pope.

He is writing an autobiography.

It's not called Memoirs of a Pope.

I'm going to give you the name.

Obviously.

But just know it's historic because a sitting Pope has never written a memoir.

It was supposed to come out after he died, but instead it's coming out in next January.

And this is the title.

Just wait.

Hope

the autobiography.

Wow,

that

is a title.

It rather.

That's really good.

I didn't know what you were going to say.

Of course.

What could a Pope even title his book, which apparently he's not supposed to write?

Yeah.

I don't know how I feel.

Like, the Pope is not my

territory, right?

I'm not familiar with his work, his background.

I understand the significance, and I obviously have respect for it, but this is not my personal.

So how do you guys feel, the Catholic swirlies?

Like, do you want to hear from the Pope in a memoir type of format?

Yeah, here are the Diets on Hope, an autobiography that took the 87-year-old pontiff six years to pen with his co-writer.

It will be published next January, just in time for the newly announced 2025 Jubilee of Hope.

The upcoming memoir, which follows his March book, Life, My Story Through History, also makes history as the first memoir written by a sitting pontiff, according to the publisher, Penguin Random House.

The landmark autobiography was originally meant to be published after his death, but inspired by the upcoming year of Jubilee, a rarity that only occurs every 25 years, the pontiff decided to release it now.

Hmm.

Now, the sales of the book.

Right.

Is he getting like a new house?

But I feel like he doesn't keep it.

I feel like it goes to the Vatican, like the fund, like the

airbank account.

I feel like.

I don't think the Pope has personal finances.

Right.

But he could set them up like for this book if he wanted to.

However, he should put it in the church bolt.

Plate.

The plate.

Yeah.

Right?

The collection plate.

That's like, if you're serious about it, if you mean what you say.

Yeah.

It would be honestly like majorly scandalous if he was collecting a check in a personal sense.

But like for what?

If you're a pope, you don't have kids.

No, and it's not like you need a great giant house.

Like you live in the Vatican.

In the biggest house of all.

Yeah.

It's not like you take summers down the shore.

Right.

And if you do, like, that's funded by the Vatican.

And I'm sure people would love to host you and say, like, the Pope stayed here.

So I don't really think money is an object.

Me neither.

So I think it should go back to the church.

I think it probably does.

Yeah.

I won't be reading this.

I'm sure if I kept reading, like, it would tell me that.

But it's more fun to guess.

Probably buried at the bottom of this article.

I, this will obviously be like one of those books, you know, like Obama's and Matthew McConnell's that never leave the New York Times bestseller.

It'll sell more copies than the Bible.

And, you know, in some senses, it is the Bible.

I don't think so.

I think that's like really blossomous to say.

Oh, is it?

Sorry.

No, just that like one man

story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just a guy.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's like.

Bible related.

Like, I'm sure it's in the same genre.

Shelf.

They'll be competing with the Bible.

It's a good book.

So I just think that's pretty sweet.

Is that the final story you added?

No, that leads into our fifth and final story, which is actually a beautiful segue because Amazon

has announced new Kindles.

Oh, yes.

Where you can read the Pope's new book.

So Amazon.

I am just want to say, like,

I'm not thrilled.

Oh, you're not?

So here's the big news.

The first color Kindle is here.

Now, if you have a Kindle, like, you know how nature this is.

Amazon just announced four new Kindles, including a revamped paper white.

That's for you.

No, it's not.

A more capable Scribe.

I use my Scribe.

I like it.

Me too.

And the first ever Color Kindle, which will be exciting for like the book covers, but for anything beyond that, I don't really know what the point is.

The colors is like also, do you know when you can highlight something in a Kindle?

You're going to be able to highlight in different colors.

So it's like pink is like all your quotes and yellow is

absurd.

Actually, I could, sometimes I highlight stuff, especially if we're reading for the redheads, like things that are so dumb, but then they go into my highlights.

And I'm like, my highlights highlights are actually filled with sage wisdom.

I read my highlights every few years.

I'm like, wow, this is the good book.

But then I have like a dumb fucking quote in there for something I wanted to make fun of on the redheads.

So that's nice that I could categorize it.

My gripe with the relaunch is that, you know, About a year ago, they discontinued the Kindle Oasis, which is my favorite Kindle.

It's the first Kindle that has a button for page turning.

It's also the first Kindle where the back isn't completely flat.

There's like a little bit of a grip.

So just ergonomically, carpal tunnel-wise, I think it's the most accessible.

And then they randomly discontinued it.

I had to buy like three or four, like on the dark web.

I have a couple now because I'm always losing my Kindles.

And it was just understood that they would be releasing like a bigger and better version of the Oasis.

And so with this launch, I was really just pleased to find that with all these new versions, like four new Kindles, not one of them has a button or a grip.

Yeah.

Okay, that's a fair

critique, except for the scribe, the big ones we have.

Do you ever use that one?

That's what I use right now.

Of course, it's flat.

It does not not have

a grip in the back.

No, and it doesn't have a button either.

I thought it had buttons.

Like, they were moving into the 21st century with the Oasis finally giving us a button.

You could also still tap, right?

But two different ways to turn.

And then they just got rid of it.

Why?

I don't know.

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Tell me lies lies season two

finale recap.

So, so many things happened, and there are so many storylines worth pursuing.

But I want to quickly say, there was a conspiracy theory going around last week that so many people told me about.

Like, and I guess it comes, you too, like, it completely went over my head.

Like, I really believe Diana didn't talk to her dad.

He cut off her credit card, and she didn't do well on the LSAT, and she was just kind of in her flop era.

And I so wish nobody told me about these stupid conspiracy theories because it was true.

And I want to know how gagged I would have been if I didn't expect it.

Because once somebody told me that, I was like, oh, duh, Diana's not stupid.

Well, when Diana said she did bad on her L sat, I actually thought that she was lying, that she actually did good and she was ready to like split away from Steven.

However, then a few things happened and I was like, oh, no, never mind.

Cause like she didn't go home for Thanksgiving and then her credit card was canceled.

And I was like, oh, she really is cut off by her dad.

But I didn't think she was actually taking this shit.

all the way in the way that she did.

When she got in her dad's car, rolled down the window and felt the wind on her face.

That's my queen right there.

And for, no, I think three weeks I was doubting my girl.

Like, oh, you know that he was in the car with Macy and his rib is broken and like you're still lying for him.

And I'm sorry to my queen for doubting my queen because that's my queen right there.

No, and the episode, this whole season, but mostly the last episode, it's like everybody is worse off.

Like everybody's lives are in.

despair.

Everyone has made poor decisions or terrible things have happened and they have ended up so at a loss.

And Diana's the only one who came out on top.

She's going to law school.

She's out of this group.

She's out of this school.

She's graduating graduating and she's...

She has one more semester, by the way.

This is only winter break.

Oh, oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.

But like she can survive one semester.

Yeah, and now Steven wants something to do with her because he thinks she's a useless idiot.

And that is great for Diana.

So I love that for her.

However, she is still in the group because her and Pippa like have

this connection.

I, okay, so that's first.

Now let's go to Lucy, who

like did this crazy thing.

There's one more part of the Diana theory that I don't know if it will come true the paper don't tell me no you told me oh yeah yeah stephen had written a paper for her so if he finds out that she is actually in great academic standing he does have something he can threaten her with being like look she plagiarized i wrote this whole paper for her remember when like her computer died or something right right so hopefully that does not happen like i need my queen to stay winning She had well in the future like she appears to be doing well like when we saw her apartment.

Yeah, she was like in this big she comes for money.

She's rich.

Yeah.

So who knows?

I'll be so mad.

Like how did this group of people all end up at the same college?

Like, I never met anyone like this in college.

Like, these people are not real.

No, these people are not real.

Now, who do we want to tackle next?

Lucy?

Yeah.

Lucy, you know, makes a decision to...

Fuck Steven, immediately regrets it, and she thinks that like getting back together with Leo will make her feel better.

It does temporarily until she realizes getting back together with him means having sex with him right after she had sex with Steven.

And that scene was really uncomfortable to watch.

And then she also thinks it's a good idea to go to a party where she knows she's going to run into Steven.

And then that whole, you know, physical kerfuffle happens.

And I wasn't like mad watching Leo beat up Steven.

I was like, you know what?

Finally, somebody needs to kick this guy's ass.

No, but he was loving it.

He was like right for that.

And then the fact that it ends and like he's the bad guy.

It's like, no, Lucy, you are still the one that is wrong.

No.

I mean, how lucky is Lucy?

She never had to answer for her sins because he went nuts and beat the shit out of Steven.

That was so crazy what she did.

Like, and also, it made me realize she could have gotten back together with Leo at any point in the last few weeks or even, I don't know, the next day to go from

sleeping with Steven, like, right, to sleeping with Leah, like, is crazy behavior.

And I was wondering where they were, like, focusing on her underwear so much.

I was just like, so many times I saw her red, like, shiny underwear.

I understand now.

It was like, you know, a plot device.

So that was really well done, honestly, by the series.

My jaw was on the floor.

We didn't make any progress in the storyline about her lying to everyone about having been.

drugged by Lydia's brother.

So that's obviously still something looming.

Yes.

But it appears now that like Stephen and

what's her name?

Lydia.

Lucy.

Lucy, like never quit each other.

After college, this is like a thing.

They go back and forth.

They hurt each other.

They get back together.

They fuck.

So even like him being with Lydia, it's just to fuck with Lucy.

Like it's all this big, stupid game.

And like, I can't with these people.

It's seriously.

And so it's 2008 and she's a sophomore.

So she graduates in 2011.

And so she then

is with this fucked up dynamic for four years

and then another four years because it's 2015 now.

So it's an eight-year-long game that they're playing.

Yeah.

Now, at first, I saw Lucy as a victim of Stevens.

I don't really see her that way anymore.

I think they're both like equally culpable in

the relationship and the game that they play with each other.

Right.

And like you, there are ways for her to move on.

When she texted him to come to the pool to watch her hooking up with her boyfriend, like that's when to me she's no longer the whole time that the wedding start things are happening.

She's trying to stay away from him.

She's so nervous.

She doesn't want Max to talk to him.

Maybe because she doesn't want Max, maybe they hooked up a week ago and she doesn't want Max to be that like that.

So the assumption was that they haven't spoken, but they definitely have.

I mean, they probably have.

She's very much like still playing this game with him.

And this whole season like was really redemptive for Lucy.

Like I really felt bad for her.

And even though she did really terrible things in the first season, like she was under the influence of Steven, she was really trying to make amends.

She spent, like she said, she spent the whole semester like just trying to like in her own way apologize for the things that she did and like be there for her friends without telling them what she did because otherwise she'd have to transfer.

And so then for her to, and I could even forgive her hooking up with Steven again because she's not completely healed, whatever.

But like eight years later, we're still doing this.

Like, no, the two of you are both garbage.

Goodbye.

Now, I want to know how Steven kept a voice memo from a Motorola razor to an iPhone.

Like, there's literally no way to keep a voice memo for 2008, seven years on, like, how many different phones you get, like, a new phone.

He probably, oh my God, if he recorded that, he knew that he was going to need it one day.

He probably emailed it to himself and it was in his email.

But from a Motorola, I don't think you could even email off a phone.

Use the USB.

You could get something if you needed to.

Okay.

And by the way, it's not like he was going to let that nugget go.

Now, another thing, like a lot of loose ends were tied up.

Like we realized like how certain things ended the way that they did, but a lot of things are still in the air.

Like who is this person calling Brie, you know, the days leading up to her wedding?

I think they want us to assume it's Oliver, but I don't think that it is.

That's so obvious.

Like.

yeah.

People are saying it's Marianne.

People are saying that it's Leo.

That, like, because where does Leo go from here, right?

Is he just like a discarded cast member?

No, they don't do that.

You know, everyone is like

incestual.

In the credits, he's guest starring.

I don't know if he's a full-time cast member, but I'm sure it is someone that we already know.

But I do want to talk about the Marianne Oliver Brie situation because like everybody...

in the show is like Bree was wronged.

No, she wasn't.

Like she was doing something really really terrible.

Like, just because it turned out that they were actually doing something worse doesn't take away from the fact that like what she was doing was so terrible.

And she should actually have been relieved that she actually wasn't as bad of a person as she thought that she was.

And what she was doing was actually not as bad as she thought that it was.

But I guess the assumption is that like what she was doing, while yeah, she knew having an affair with a married man is bad.

Like because he's so much older and in a position of power as like a teacher at the school, like she almost, even though, like, and he said, like, she really did pursue him,

you're sort of like,

like, he's really supposed to know better than to ever start a relationship with a student and one that was 30 years younger.

That was true the entire time.

Like, the facts of the case haven't changed.

Yeah.

And if anything, her guilty conscience should be absolved.

And instead, she's like, thinks that what Marianne, like, so like Marianne said, it was better when I was just a sad wife who didn't know, but you still did the same thing.

And the insinuation was that like Mary Ann and Oliver's marriage like isn't what it appears to be because she was like crying at the end.

I don't know why she was crying, but probably and she also said like I've to Lucy like I'm so glad he didn't meet you first and she also said like you're trying to hurt me, but like you can't say anything to me that's already like not been said or whatever.

Like I feel like

like Marianne was like his student or something.

Like I feel like there's a lore like a backstory.

Well, I think the only thing that would really make like Oliver like a true monster because him having an open relationship and then meeting someone and yes, the student teacher dynamic is like completely wrong but that was always the case when people were shipping them by the way yeah yeah um is if he has a pattern of wooing students yeah yeah and like it's always every semester every year it's a different student and marianne has like been in this situation so many times and maybe she's in an open relationship because that's only way to like keep her husband who she loves with her

but i think if it's like very much like a student like um obsession and she is 19 like he is much older but they didn't even say that like she marianne didn't even say you're not the first student.

Just another student.

No.

Yeah.

So I just feel like...

By the way, I was gagged when we found out that just like

randomly that Evan was his student.

Oh, yeah.

Not that it, like, it doesn't mean it changed anything.

I was just like, oh, oh, oh.

Yeah.

No, when Marianne was walking into the room where Brie was like putting her clothes in, I was fucking freaking out.

And for like her not even to get the tongue lashing that I thought was coming, like she should have been, she should have been like, bye freaks and just been so thankful.

Like, her whole life could have been ruined.

She should have been by freaks.

Like, seriously, these people are weird as hell.

Like, get out.

Her whole life, if Marianne, like, didn't know, and if it was what Brie thought it was, and by the way, Brie went over to his house.

They're hooking up, like, in her bed.

What she was doing was so wrong.

She should have been so thankful in that moment that she got away with it.

Like, and it wasn't brought to a disciplinary hearing.

And everyone knew that she slept with the professor.

Like, she got away with it.

And she's like mad that she got away with it.

That it wasn't wasn't as bad of a thing that she did as she thought it was.

Now, we have known since the very first season that something happens with Drew.

It was under my assumption, like that perhaps he took his own life because he was going through this really tough thing and struggling with guilt.

And the way it ended up happening was like literally so much more sad.

I was like, it was so hard to watch.

And I literally knew when they were drinking and taking pills, I just knew something bad was going to happen.

I didn't know if this was going to be it.

I didn't think it was going to be it.

I had such a pit-to addiction or something.

Yeah, I had such a pit and ugh, like

and I certainly thought that maybe Drew would find out that Wrigley was with Pippa again and that would come between them again.

Like I thought that the story was gonna keep going on.

You know, I thought he would overhear him leaving a voicemail for Pippa or Sianna.

Like I just did not think it was ending like the next day.

No, it was so sad.

And then Steven sharing with Wrigley that he was the one who wrote the letter.

Like, I don't know what that does for anyone.

Well, it allows the letter to be written without anyone like really suffering consequences because Steven was able to spin it as like a helpful thing that he did.

And that actually worked for me because Lucy, like, yes, she wrote the letter, but like Steven pushed her to write it.

Like it is, and Steven's the one who told Lucy.

Stephen is the reason why the he's not not receiving.

Steven is the reason why the letter was written.

I'm glad that they now know that it wasn't Pippa.

I'm glad that they know like that's where it came from.

So even though that's not the complete truth, like I actually thought that Lettergate tied up nicely like with Steven doing that.

And also explains like why now Lucy's gonna like fall back again for Steven because he did this huge thing for her and absolved her of a lot of guilt.

I also think in that moment, because this is before he found out about Evan and Lucy, I think he really did like love Lucy.

And so the fact that, yeah, they could be the worst versions of themselves and still like each other.

Like I think he was really into that because he's so fucked up.

Him finding out that her and Evan screw, like I feel like in that moment, like he actually stopped loving Lucy and he wants to fuck with her and he wants to play these games.

But But like for him, for some reason, that was the line.

Well, that is like a big thing with him.

Even Wrigley and Pippa hooking up freshman year, like he punished Wrigley.

What did he even do to Wrigley?

Is that why he told

Lucy?

No, not Wrigley and Pippa, Wrigley and Diana.

Wrigley and Diana, sorry.

Yeah, he's just like fucking crazy and territorial.

Yeah, but he did something to Wrigley when he found out about that.

Was that what made Lucy write the letter?

No, he found out about it this season.

Did he?

In the beginning, yeah.

He just was like a dick to Wrigley all season long and gave him really bad advice, especially about Drew.

Yeah.

The Drew thing was so sad.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, and someone said, like, how do you come back from that?

I do not know how you come back from that, Wrigley.

When he said, like, I don't know how I'm going to look my mother in the face, like, because he's supposed to be this older brother, this protector, and he was the one providing the drugs.

And, like, I'm sure his parents don't know that they do drugs.

Like,

horrible.

Terrible.

It's such a pit.

Yeah, and it doesn't bode well for Wrigley and Pippa because, like, Wrigley has now a lot of healing to do.

And then the big final thing was the voicemail that Brie eventually ends up hearing right before walking down the aisle, blowing the case wide open.

That her fiancé has been lying to her for eight years and her best friend have been lying to her for eight years.

They have this big secret.

Like, honestly.

I think Brie's still walking down the aisle.

Because if she doesn't, like, that's dumb.

Like, Evan's a good guy.

Whatever.

No, and I think 10 years ago.

Brie isn't in love with Evan.

I think she fell out of love with him.

She was very naive when they first got together.

She fell out of love with him so quickly.

Like, I don't think that like she has blinders on.

I think her marrying him, like, I think he's a really nice guy and he loves her.

It's a good marriage.

He loves her so much.

It's a good marriage.

He comes from

a great family.

Like, she wants family.

She wants stability.

And like, those things don't change just because he hooked up with Lucy eight years ago.

However, her friendship with Lucy now changes.

Yeah, it means more the Lucy of it all than the Evan of it all.

For Bree, not for anyone else.

But I think like Brie's reasons for walking down the aisle, she's obviously also running away from something on her phone.

Like, she's still walking down the aisle, I think.

Diana saying, you know, it's unsettling when you don't know where he is.

Slay.

Yeah.

She's such a

good.

She's such a.

She got her to filth.

Agreed.

And honestly, I ship her and Pippa.

At first, I was like, what?

No, I should.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And also, we needed Pippa.

We need Diana at the wedding.

Correct.

Diana.

That's the vehicle to get her there is Pippa.

I'm down.

Yeah.

So, such a good show, such a good season.

It was genuinely perfect.

So many things were tied up while also

opening new cases wide open.

Yeah, like next season is going to be so good.

And it was just really, really amazing.

And when

Grace Van Patten had done an interview being like, so much of her character is really inspired by Vanner Prump Rules.

And she was saying how like Stasi she like watched as like a character study.

The episode last night like really reminded me so much of Vanner Prump Rules, just given how incestuous this group is.

Like it really is like, that's why someone's saying that the guy calling her is Leo.

Like I wouldn't be surprised.

That's true.

Like they just recycle everyone in this group.

Yeah.

I do wonder who it is.

Who else do we know on the show?

And I can't remember a time where I didn't read the book, so maybe I'm not as attached to it, but I feel like the show is so acclaimed in addition to the book being so popular.

And they've been able to stretch it and like create new narratives and new characters and new things.

Because the book ended a while ago, right?

Like this is not in the book.

No.

So it's so impressive.

Like it's really a feat for the literature swirlies.

It is.

And you know, it's Emma Roberts production company.

Queen.

Of course, Corolla Lovering, Queen.

Queen.

And Megan Oppenheimer.

That's a showrunner.

Queen.

Yeah.

So that is our show.

That's a Tell Me Lies recap that like you needed to hear in a biblical sense.

Tomorrow's episode will be Jackson Claude in person from Florida Toast HQ.

I'll see you then.

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