Dressing Room Theory: Thursday, August 22nd, 2024

Good morning, millennials.

And welcome back to the tourist.

Tirst.

It's herstery at the terst.

In toast, terstory.

Sorry about that.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Thursday.

Hope everybody's having a great day.

I hope so too, though.

I do feel like today feels like an episode of The Turst.

Not everyone.

I mean, I'm down if you are.

Like, are you down to clown?

I'm down for terst.

She's down to clown.

We can make our own rules if it's terse.

That's kind of like, and I'm going to take what you said and have a serious conversation.

Do you ever have that feeling?

Maybe like not so much for you anymore, but like every now and then I remember like I'm not a child.

Like I could seriously like go walk outside naked.

Like I just remember that I'm an adult and like the rules are what I make them.

I could just like I could seriously, I could go to Cancun right now.

You could go to Cancun.

As far as walking outside naked, it does depend where you are.

Like if you're not in the world,

if you're on your own private property, you can, but like you cannot be nude in the public.

Okay, that's like not what I was saying.

I meant more like I.

There are still laws in your civilization.

I'm not abiding citizens.

I'm not in school.

You listen to my parents.

like stay up all night and eat ice cream all night if you want to.

No, that's not even really.

No, I'm more so like, I don't know.

Do you ever like look around your house and just you're like, this is my house, bitch.

Like, I make the fucking rules.

Uh, not in that sense.

I do.

I'm always like, and like, this is my house.

What rules are you looking to make in your house?

Any kind.

Maybe it was because, you know, as a child, I really was like, I opposed authority.

I was really not into like rules and stuff.

Every now and then, I'm just, I look around.

I'm like, yeah, bitch, this is my house, my apartment.

I make the rules.

I'm in charge.

I'm the adult.

I'm the adult.

I'm the authority.

Like, I used to hate, you know?

What rules do you want to make in your house?

Annie, there's just something powerful about like looking back,

taking, acknowledging the space you're in, and then looking forward, you know?

Where are you looking towards?

The future, the rules that I make, the authority that I am.

Like, I'm just trying to get at like, what kind of rules do you want to make?

It's, you're looking at it very literally, and I think it's due to your lack of imagination.

I think people, you know, the creative people and the people, you know, listening will understand what I'm saying.

You're thinking about it too literally, not physical rules, like just life, like rules.

Like, I'm in charge.

Okay.

You know?

What are you in charge of?

It's so hard to host a podcast with somebody who lacks such imagination.

I'm not hosting podcasts with somebody who literally not understanding at all what I'm saying.

No, I understand the concept, but now let's take it like practical.

No, you're looking at it too, like, too literally.

Like, I'm not talking about like actual rules.

I'm not going to sit down and like write a list of rules.

It's like the rules of life, like things I'm allowed to do, things I want to do, things I couldn't do as a kid, you know.

Are you doing it?

What do you want to do?

Whatever I feel like that day because I'm in charge and I make the rules.

Okay, so it's Kamala.

Oh my God.

No.

It's abstract.

Okay.

So when you don't understand something, it's Kamala.

Okay, sure, sure, sure.

That's fine.

She doesn't get it.

But if you get it, sound off in the comments, you know?

Like, are you in charge of your own life?

Like, do you look around and you say like, this is my house, bitch?

I could do whatever the fuck I want.

I could paint the walls red.

Thank you.

so practically there's a practical sure sure sure i understand you need more more help understanding like you have like a learning disability oh my gosh i just want examples it's called a conversation no no no if you understood what i meant you wouldn't need an example so you didn't understand it

that's okay

she likes imagination it's okay so much all that to say happy thursday everyone hope you've enjoyed your week thus far we have we had such a fabulous day yesterday and we topped it off with the last two episodes of love is Blind UK, which has really been carrying us through the second half of swirly summer.

Um, after the toast, we just kind of perfect example through caution to the wind.

We were like, we're in charge of our own life.

What if we just went for lunch and shopped in the middle of the day and had a cocktail, you know?

And we did just that, and it was amazing.

We got such fabulous items.

We shopped till we dropped.

We really shopped till we dropped, which is, you know, that's only, there's only one way to shop.

You have to like be all in, willing to like take off your clothes.

You can't just be like, oh, I like looking around, poking.

Like, you have to dig in.

I know, it's so true.

Like if you want to have active shopping day, you have to get naked in the dressing room.

You have to come home like seriously wanting to die.

Yeah.

Like so dead, so depleted.

Like my aura ring was like, was that a workout at 518 p.m.?

Nope.

Just me in the dressing room hustle.

I'm from Cynthia Rowley.

Yeah.

We crushed it.

My top today is from Cynthia Rowley.

We got so many cute things.

We hadn't been to that store this summer, but just everything was cuter than the next.

I don't think we've had a more successful shopping jaunt.

We went thrifting.

We did go thrifting.

We got so granola.

Claudia went to a cons, well, we all went to a consignment shopping

major success.

Yeah.

I was feeling like a little, I don't know, there's something like, how do you know?

You know, I was feeling like a little anxious when we left the store.

I was like, did I just spend money on shoes that like, did I just get scammed?

Yeah.

On old maiden shoes.

Yeah.

Old maiden type of shoes.

And the jury's still out.

She thinks.

They came with the box and the dustbag.

Like, I don't know.

I don't think she got scammed.

And even if she did, like, say they, I think they look great.

They feel great.

They look top quality fabric.

And I think that you as a woman can pass them off as authentic.

It doesn't even matter at this point.

I don't even care about passing them off.

Like I'm like a fiscal, fiscally conscious queen.

Like, did I just spend money on fake shoes?

No, but like, do you love the shoes?

Do you like the quality?

Are they worth that?

Because take out the designer.

Like, you could get a nice pair.

What are you paying for?

But.

At a certain point, no, you're paying because you love the shoe.

It's a nice pair of leather shoes.

That costs a pretty penny.

We'll see.

I don't think she got swindled.

I think she actually like made off like a bandit with her gargie pargy shoes.

And I'm happy for her.

Me too.

No, we really crushed it.

Like new wardrobe, fall wardrobe, check.

Yeah.

She went to love check fancy, which has been one of our favorite stores all summer.

We just pop in and out and they had just, it's just the cutest vibe.

Can I say something honest?

I guess.

Not that I would ever stop you.

I had an amazing time yesterday.

Like, I really did.

But I, and I don't know if this like doesn't make me woman enough, but like I hate shopping like physically in stores.

If you're really shopping, like we said, like looking for clothes that fit, not just like, I need one dress for the party tonight.

Like, no, but also even that for the party tonight is hard.

But I mean, like, meaning back to school, shopping.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Between the physical elements, like being sweaty in this like dressing room, and then also the emotional elements, like, you know, your side's not fitting.

It's like kind of traumatizing.

There are so many elements.

And then the walking walking around my legs were killing me like shopping gets like a good wrap you know it like looks fabulous shopping is horrible i actually love shopping i love everything about shopping until like the last 10

of finishing up in the dressing room, putting things back on hangers, you know, waiting to go pay.

Like that, it gets unfun.

But like the act of like perusing, oh, I love this for you.

I love this for me.

Yeah.

I absolutely love it.

And if anybody ever wants to go shopping, like just call me.

I'm glad you brought up putting things back on hangers because we had a conversation on the toast a couple of weeks ago about the shopping cart theory, right?

How there was, you know, this theory going around that, you know, you can really tell the type of person someone is based on what they do with their shopping cart at the grocery store when no one's watching.

Yeah.

And we were saying that we feel like that's kind of a flawed theory.

Like you never know what's going on in someone's life, especially if they have kids in the car.

Like there's a million.

It's a flawed theory.

It's so reductive.

And it allows people who are bad people to put their shopping cart away and say, I'm a good person.

Yeah.

And you're never

really alone, right?

Because you're in the public.

You're in a parking lot where people can see you.

So you know that people might be watching.

And that, that's a part of the theory too.

But in a dressing room, you are well and truly private.

And I think a better theory would be hangers.

Do you hang up your stuff?

I do.

And I can't lie.

Like, do I hang it up perfectly?

No.

No, I hang on my stuff.

It's not Garji Pargi.

It's not.

It might not be on the hanger that it came on.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

You know, but like the shorts will be on the short.

Like, it's not like so.

So much of a mishap, but it's not Garji Pargi.

Someone will probably have to fix it.

But like, no, I didn't leave it all on the floor.

I think that's a better theory because really no one's watching.

And it requires more of you.

For sure.

Yeah.

And it requires like critical thinking at times, you know, with the, somehow you always end up with less hangers than clothing.

You know what I mean?

Makes no fucking sense.

Even in your own closet.

Even in your own closet.

So I just, you know, take that shopping cart theory.

I'm calling it dressing room theory.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

I'm, I'm coming up.

That's like, if you, if you want to be a successful influencer, you have to have a theory.

You have to have like words and shit.

Like, no, you have to have your own theory.

Yeah.

So true, Tinks has box theory.

Yes.

What do we have?

Well, now we have our like Garchy Pargi theory.

We have the Garchy Pargi theory, which is obviously, you know, world renowned.

But now we have the dressing room theory.

But it's also scary to have a theory because, like, what if it's that's how Pythagorean felt.

What if it's like flawed, you know, and people are constantly poking out your theory?

Like, oh, or even with tinks in box, like, I met my man outside the box, Tinks.

Like, right, right, right.

And it's like anything that everyone that disproves your theory.

There are no universal theories except for Pythagorean.

Like, except for the mathematical ones, but there are no universal emotional theories.

Yeah, people are just always coming from for your theory.

It's so fucking true.

Look at us coming for the shopping cart theory like weeks later.

No, it must be really scary to have a theory.

I think it takes a lot of hubris to come up with a theory and like then really force it on people.

So I also feel like kind of like what I was doing at the beginning of the show.

Me having hubris with my theory.

You having hubris with your shit.

Thank you for proving my point.

Yeah.

I have hubris.

What does hubris mean?

Like it's false?

Bregadociousness,

false confidence.

Like, it's very.

Hubris means false confidence?

It's like...

Oh, I thought it meant like courage.

Oh, no.

Oh, I'm always using it like a good thing.

Hubris, excessive pride or self-confidence.

Oh, okay, but that doesn't necessarily mean based on false, like...

Right, you could beat Albert Einstein.

I would hope he would have a lot of hubris.

Of course, but then there are some bad faith actors with their hubris.

Yes, and most people who have hubris, like, don't the stuff to back it up.

Right.

No.

And it's like, if you, if you actually possessed, you don't have to try so hard and true.

So Albert Einstein probably didn't have hubris.

He probably did not.

I don't know.

Like, I feel like maybe actually he did, but yeah.

And if he did, like, go off king, you did that stuff.

Things you did.

That.

Yeah.

As you should.

Whether he did or he didn't, like, it doesn't change things for me.

Yeah, because I saw Oppenheimer and they had a character of Einstein and they like, I guess it's like known in like the science world.

He was like kind of a dick.

Was it giving hubris?

Um, kind of, yeah.

He like did the thing and then he became like, you know, he's like a bad husband and stuff.

You know, who's like the most hubris?

Hubris man.

Huberman?

Huberman.

So true.

I actually don't think we have hubris.

I don't think so either.

That's why we don't have theories.

You know, we're like, what's the opposite?

We have like crippling self-doubt.

Like, what's that?

Chip.

We don't have hubris.

We have chip.

We don't have hubris.

We have chip.

I love that.

Yeah.

I love that.

It's just a little bit about us.

So we'll work on shopping room theory.

You know, it's, it's kind of

a theory in flux.

Like it's constantly being in transition.

Yeah, in transition.

It's constantly being worked on.

It's not a fully fleshed out theory yet.

We're not ready for publishing.

No, that's the thing.

Are you ever ready?

Yeah.

You're constantly going to be poking on theory.

But I kind of love that.

Yeah, let's work on like having theories.

Oh, yeah, those girls from the toes.

That's their theory.

Yeah.

I feel like we have theories about like what's going on in Taylor Swift's life.

That's true.

They do think we have theories about things such as that.

Like pop culture.

But I meant to be a little bit more like that.

But I do think like packaging things as a theory is like a great way

to make waves online.

Yeah, no, we need to definitely work on our lifestyle theories.

Okay.

Any other theories that you want to share?

Anything you've been thinking?

No, not right now.

And I don't want to force it.

Like, you know, when they're ready, they will come.

Okay.

Build it and they will come.

Should I start a list of potential theories just to keep us inspired?

Just keep us organized.

Yeah.

And

the first one, of course, will be dressing room theory.

Yeah.

And we're going to be like in six months.

What were we saying about dressing room theory?

Put in parentheses

versus shopping cart.

I'm writing the date.

Oh, that's so smart.

We're going to start dating our theories.

That's so Einstein of us.

And then put in parentheses versus shopping cart theory so we can remember.

Dressing room theory.

Okay.

I'm cracking up.

If someone saw this, like it would make no sense to them.

It's kind of a time capsule.

We should bury your phone in the ground and come back in 50 years and see if we can remember one thing.

You know what we will remember?

Tarek's armtike.

Yeah.

Some things are eternal.

Of course, I think history will remember that.

And not kindly.

Not because history is written by the victors, Christina Hall.

And her story is written by Christina Hall.

Her history is written by us.

That's true.

Can I ask you a question?

We have a lot to tackle today.

The Fast Five, Love is Blind UK.

How are we thinking about structuring?

This is probably something we should have discussed before, but Fast Five, then Love is Blind UK.

Okay.

So it's a great thing.

We have a little sweet treat at the end of the show.

And that way, like, we don't have to worry about spoilers and we can just, you know, organize things.

So if you're ever coming back for the recap, we're very excited.

We are, I just want to say, I don't know if there's a time in any Love is Blind history where I've been so happy with the outcome for every single couple.

Yeah.

Like I think it was the right decision.

Yeah.

Sometimes I'm like so shocked that people did or didn't.

Mm-hmm.

I agree with that.

And we were also talking about last night how, with the exception of one random season of Love is Blind, Love is Blind really is a very low divorce rate.

Yeah.

There were two couples who got divorced from the same season.

Like I just think that was a cursed season.

It was also a terrible season.

One of the worst that I've ever like had the displeasure of watching for sure.

Nick and Danielle and then Jared and Ayana.

They both ended up getting divorced quickly after.

But besides that, I don't like to include them in my theory here because I think that

the question they always ask, Nick and Vanessa, like seriously, like shoved it down our throats and we never actually asked.

Is love blind?

Right, right, right.

And they just like use it at this point, like for marketing.

They really annoy me when they say it.

But now with the Love is Blind UK, I'm like, is love blind?

Like, it is.

It can be.

It can be, but I don't think that it's objectively blind.

I think there are a lot of factors, not even looks that people then see in their partner when they're together, even the way that they speak.

Like someone could speak in a way that really fucking bothers you.

Like, what if they get Slive in their their corners?

Or like, yeah.

Yeah, or just like mannerisms or the way that they sit, the way that they carry themselves.

It's not just about like attractiveness.

There are so many things that go into someone's like physical being.

So I don't think love is blind, but it can be blind when you also happen to like what the person looks like.

Yeah, no, and I think that like if you do end up doing the experiment all the way through, like I think the marriages that we got and that we have just in the love is blind history, like are very good marriages.

Yeah.

So we'll, we'll do like a full recap.

And they're all really marriages where the people

on levels of attractiveness were pleased with their partner.

It's not like any two people who were so dissimilar, like still their love from the pods carried them through.

That's the thing with Love is Blind that I think is just, and I think it's because like it would be really messy, but if they had people, like seriously, some like supermodels and then some of the ugliest people you've ever seen, like not to be mean, it would make it more.

Yeah, but it also is kind of like the show catfish because if you fell in love with a person online, even though you thought they looked like one thing, they looked like something else, but like that, that connection and that, and those conversations that you had are still the same, like shouldn't you then still love whatever they are?

Correct.

Should.

Aside from the deception.

They're a liar.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay.

But like, if you can forgive the lie, you still, is the love still there?

To me, if I got catfished, I wouldn't so much be focused on the lie.

I would be focused on like, how weird are you?

Like, that's what you do.

You like lie, like you like cosplay on the internet.

I'd be like, our interests just don't align because you're obviously a freak.

Like, I would, I, maybe I could get past the deception.

I couldn't get past like the personality of a person who would seriously, like, catfish someone.

Like, you're obviously an absolute loser.

Well, maybe they're insecure.

Well, that's unattractive to me.

Okay.

And you don't want to love them through it.

No.

You don't want to make them stronger and show them that they're worthy.

I think that I can love past a lot of things, honestly.

Like, I do.

I like to think that I'm like a magnanimous person in that sense, but seriously, like being a loser is, it's not fixable.

It's okay.

Like, it's incurable.

it's at your core like your right loser dumb your core exactly okay

okay

so love is blind really is a lot like catfish just with a different spin you know love is blind is catfish with better pr yeah because they're all lying you can even hear it in some of like the way people talk like especially the women they're like oh

and then they get to that

isn't that just girlhood yeah like on dates i guess it's so true we're all cats we're all catfishing we're on a date we're like yeah I'm not crazy.

I love it.

We don't show up to the date like two days.

And then, right, and leave that for me.

And then you come to live with me and I'm literally like a pit bull.

But it's so funny because when you're watching a season of Love is Blind and you're on like episode 10 and we know everyone 360 at that point, and then you go back to like the pod scenes and you're like, who's that girl?

Yeah, very demure, very mindful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Our first story, a little tailored Swift news, because she performed at Wembley Stadium and she addressed the foiled terrorist attack targeting her era's tour shows in Vienna.

So she posted on Instagram Wednesday saying, having our Vienna shows canceled was devastating.

The reason for the cancellations filled me with a new sense of fear and a tremendous amount of guilt because so many people had planned on coming to those shows.

But I was also so grateful to the authorities because thanks to them, we were grieving concerts and not lives.

She also explained why she decided to stay silent immediately following the incident.

She said, quote, let me be very clear.

I'm not going to speak about any something publicly if I think doing so might provoke those who would want to harm the fans who come to my shows.

In cases like this one, silence is actually showing restraint and waiting to express yourself at a time when it's right too.

My priority was finishing our European tour safely, and it is with great relief that I can say that we did that.

She added that her team worked hand in hand with British authorities and stadium staff to achieve that goal at Wembley Stadium.

Yeah, I mean, facts on facts on facts on all elements, whether it was, you know, people criticizing her for not saying anything and then going into London without, I didn't even really think about like, she's still very much in Europe.

There are still, you know, people like that.

And I think her statement was perfect.

I also think, you know, very poignant saying like so grateful.

And it gives a lot of perspective to be mourning shows, canceled shows and not lives lost.

And I think that's something we were saying earlier in the week.

And I think that like something the culture

like is an important statement to say.

I'm like, nobody wants to cancel shows.

And obviously like that sucks on a, on a very basic level, but we're not talking about that here.

We're talking about a lot more serious things.

So I thought this was beautifully put.

I'm glad that she explained it.

Cause even I, and I'm someone who totally understood why she didn't say anything.

And if she never said anything, I'd be okay with it.

Like the fear, the guilt, the dread, like I can only imagine.

I would never expect someone to say that.

But I do appreciate this insight as to why she's going to say something now.

And I didn't even really think about London as being this

issue for her.

So I totally get it.

Thanks.

I didn't need an explanation.

Yeah.

Queen going to do queen shit.

But hopefully for the people who were upset about her not speaking and thought it meant she's hating people.

Right.

Hopefully, you are satiated.

Probably not, though.

But also, Chris Martin was in Vienna performing at the stadium that she was set to perform at.

And he did a cover of Love Story with Maggie Rogers.

With Maggie Rogers to, you know, sort of pay homage to the shows that were canceled.

So he said, if this is not good, please, please don't put it on YouTube because I don't want to get in trouble with Taylor.

And he proceeded to play Love Story with Maggie Rogers

for the Swifties who might have been in attendance.

Can I say

it's like really beautiful?

Yeah, Yeah, like I literally am gonna cry.

It's so sweet.

I think that a lot of times celebrities try to like

do stuff and it just comes off like, okay.

Yeah.

This to me.

Yeah, right.

This to me is so sweet.

Yeah.

To like, you know, this obviously huge moment for Chris Martin too, this big stadium.

And he like took a moment to like talk about Taylor.

I just, anytime a celebrity, I feel like it doesn't, it happens more now, but every now and then like people will be like, like hating Taylor is like makes you cool and indie.

I just love this.

Like, and I thought the rendition was beautiful.

I was jamming.

I loved all parts of this.

Like, I thought it was actually really sweet.

And, like, this is how you support someone.

Like, this is how it was just, I loved it.

Like, I have nothing negative to say, which is just new for me.

Me neither.

And now, like, Chris Martin, we've been talking about him so much this week.

And I also feel like

probably has nothing to do with this, but I feel like him choosing to sing Love Story is like, you know, just confirming, like, I love Dakota Johnson.

Okay.

I love, love, love where your head is.

I'm just trying to put like the two pieces together and put a nice bow on the week of Chris Martin.

For sure.

However, I think he probably didn't have like a lot of time to learn a new Taylor Swift song.

That might be the one he knew the most words to.

You know, he has daughters.

I just want to say, whatever Taylor Swift song he sang, I would have said it was about for Dakota.

Yeah, but he does write a lot of songs.

You belong with me about love.

Dakota belongs with him.

Yeah.

I also think like from a marketing perspective, like when you think about the Cold Play fans and the Taylor Swift fans, they're really not like.

The very similar.

The middle is small.

The middle is small.

So when he wanted to sing a song that, you know, people in the audience probably knew you're going to go for the biggest Taylor Swift song.

And so there's Love Story.

What do you think is the biggest?

Shake Shake it off.

I've thought about this a lot.

Like numbers-wise,

Blank Space.

Huge albums, but when it comes to like her most iconic songs, it's different because I feel like what the fans would say versus what mainstream, like global at a glance, Big Bang thing.

I'm asking global at a glance.

Yeah.

So it's like Love Story, Shake It Off, Blank Space style.

Yeah, 22.

Oh, that hurts.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I knew you were trouble.

Yeah.

I guess because in the subsequent eras, like it's been, the rollout has been less commercial and more, you know, the whole album.

And like for the fans and like drops and like folklore, everyone, like, you know, if you're not paying attention, you might have missed stuff.

And so, yes, the biggest songs that were played on the radio incessantly when she was doing that sort of stuff are not like the fans' most favorite songs.

Right.

And that's just actually now that you're like putting, like.

putting it out like that.

I think that the reason why so many people's favorite era is 1989 and it was for so long because now that I'm thinking about it, when we were just talking about like the singles off of red, right?

We are never getting back together 22 to me are some of the worst songs on the album, and they're the ones that had the biggest mainstream success.

Like, it never made sense to me, and that happens a lot with her album.

She'll release a song that goes to radio, is like the most like corny kind of pop.

And that's, if you don't listen to the album, you think that that's what Taylor Swift does, and it's like, not at all what she does.

And 1989, like the biggest hits, like what you just said, style and blank space, like those are two of seriously the best songs ever made.

Yeah.

And they're the biggest songs on the album.

And that never happens with Taylor.

Like, her best songs are like the least streamed from the album.

Shake it off even though I am having a renaissance um follows that like yes the 22 trope of like one of the worst songs being the biggest hit that was the first single on 1989 yeah but at the time like

it was a cultural reset it was a cultural reset yeah I knew you were trouble I don't like that

it's it comes in waves for me just compared to how much I love everything else yeah the deeper cuts but like we're not like other fans relative no I think all the fans really feel this yeah yeah The real fan.

Yeah, but I think it speaks to like how Taylor, up until a certain point, you're right.

Now she just like gives albums.

She doesn't really do like the single, like, but for so long, she did like the music industry, the OG radio way.

And she was making hits for radio and was, you know, releasing a single, releasing a single, and then the album.

Now I think she's much more comfortable dropping like a full piece of work and letting people.

And now, I guess, thinking about the singles she dropped from like Midnights or whatever, I guess they were pretty

pervasive, anti-hero.

Karma.

Karma Bejeweled, like not my my favorites.

Oh, so I've kind of ignored them.

They're like my skips on the album.

I don't listen to those songs, so I can't say that they're everywhere, but they might be.

I think Karma and Bejeweled are everywhere.

And I don't think that they're skips.

I do think Anti-Hero got like the radio pop treatment.

And then you like start to just get over it naturally.

Hardigan.

Yeah.

No, it's interesting.

That's what I'm saying.

Like she always chooses the,

to me, the not obvious choice to make her singles.

And that was so crazy about Cruel Summer, right?

Like Cruel Summer was not a single from Lover.

It was just a song kind of at the end of the album.

And I don't think she ever planned to make it a.

Me to Calm Down.

Right.

Right.

Those are two songs from the same album.

To me, it never made sense, but it was working.

Me.

Right.

It doesn't make sense, but it works.

It's so crazy.

It's crazy.

It's crazy that me and Cruel Summer are on the same album and me was made a single.

And it was the fans and it was like the culture that made Cruel Summer so popular that she had no choice but to release it as a single five years later.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

No, like seriously, those singles are insane.

Yeah, yeah, wow.

What was the single from TTPD?

Fortnite, right?

Yeah,

I know you don't like Fortnite, I do, but not on the way that I feel about like you need to the other, yeah, yeah.

It's just like it's a good song on the album, not the best, yeah.

And because it's the first one, I can just start by playing the second one, yeah, which I like better.

Yeah, okay, well, that's your little tailored update, and she's done at Wembley two months.

She's gotten a break, and then she comes back.

We're going in October, we literally have tickets, so yeah, she is in this perfect time because football season's about to start.

She's probably in Kansas City right now.

At home with Travis.

He's been like, it's been a couple of months of, they really compliment each other very well.

Their schedules, not on purpose, because she planned the tour before they even met.

But it's like there are weeks and months where it's all about Travis.

And then there are weeks and months where it's all about Taylor.

And they really show up for one another in such a public way.

It's so sweet.

Now it's Travis's time.

And then she'll be back in the States.

And it's like not that big of a deal if he has a show.

I mean, if she has a show in the States and then he has a game the next day.

And just a reminder to like all celebrity couples, like if these two are, as long as these two are still dating like i never want to see a statement of scheduling conflicts as a reason for a breakup it's so true lady gaga and taylor kinney yeah everyone they always like i it's always the go-to and these two are out here like proving it can be done right so like we will not be accepting that it's true like they are both at the top of their game they do so much not even just for football like for the their things they do award ceremonies he's on a tv show like if they can make it work yep it's just not

into they would would.

Are you ready for our next story?

A little Dancing with the Stars news because the first celeb contestant of Dancing with the Stars has been announced, and it's Pommel Horse Steven from the Olympics.

PHS.

Pommel Horse Steven.

Olympic gymnast Stevenen.

Stevenen.

Steven Nederasic.

Pommel Horse Steven is heading to the ballroom.

I like how we gave him a nickname because it's hard.

PMS.

PMS.

P-H-S.

Fresh off his historic Pommel Horse performance at the 2024 Paris Olympics.

He will now be competing competing on season 33 of Dancing with the Stars.

He was on GMA making a live and studio appearance, and he is the first contestant who has been revealed for the forthcoming season.

The rest of them will be announced September 4th on GMA.

But he's also the first male gymnast to compete on Dancing with the Stars.

We've had plenty of female gymnasts, Suni Lee, Simone Viles, Laurie Hernandez, Laurie Hernandez.

But now this is the first male gymnast.

Love this.

Like this is...

This is how you do it, right?

Like you, you see what's going on in the culture and you like, I feel like Dancing with the Stars always does a really good job they get a wide berth of people right like tv show stars who we don't know but your parents might and then charlie d'Amilio like they really cover all sports entertainment and they do a good job this is excellent and like capitalizing on the olympics i'm happy for you male gymnasts don't get like sponsorship shine they're not really um

i think it must be hard to make a living honestly as a male gymnast And when you compare to like the women who are seriously like billionaires.

Yeah.

Can I ask a stupid question?

Are male gymnasts athletically like much like better if like a male gymnast competed against a female gymnast?

Like they're doing crazier stuff, right?

I don't know about that.

Like because the way it feels is like no one's better than the female gymnastics.

Well, I think it's just like, you know,

biology.

Yeah, I don't know.

They're capable of more.

I think that they are definitely on the same level, maybe a little bit, but nobody cares.

So it's like...

I think it's a pretty dumb question now that I think about it, but it's just why is it so much more fun to watch the girls?

Because like twirling, sorry, twirling is for the girls.

Like technically like throwing flips, like they're throwing greater tricks.

Okay.

I had another question to ask and like, it's a little not PC.

So like I apologize, but just know like I love everyone and I just had a question.

Okay.

That's how all like all great cancellations begin.

I love everyone and I didn't know.

I really, I am like, I love everyone and I'm not like, this is not, I just have a question.

Like, because there is something like in, like, gymnastics is girly, right?

And so there are certain sports where you know if like a man is competing, like he's totally gay, right?

Okay.

Is gymnastics, like, are male gymnasts all gay?

I feel like no.

And if you watch it, like especially those rings, like

you even think like male gymnastics, what are they?

Like twirling with ribbons in their hair?

Like, no, it's actually very masculine.

Right.

And very physical.

Are male gymnasts gay?

Like, no, because the one I was watching, like, he has a girlfriend.

Yep.

Pomahorse Steve has a girlfriend.

I don't get that vibe.

No, me, like, you like, like, figure skating.

It's like, yeah, like dancing, but it's not.

Right.

I feel you.

Okay, so male gymnasts like are it's not like of course it's not walk you can't make a generalization male gymnast but it's not like an automatic like gay thing to do right right right right but i think that like figure skating is like more often than not like you can assume that they're gay i've never thought about it i would say figure skating more than gymnastics rhythmic rhythmic gymnastics not like a hundred percent no no there's no a hundred percent anything you know like there are gay basketball players but like there's more

like majority i mean yeah i'm talking majority majority And I'm sorry, like, please, I just had a question.

I don't know if anyone's really like come out with the numbers on this.

Well, that's a study I would be interested in reading.

It's the same way like, you know,

a majority of, oh, I'm just really digging myself in a hole here.

A majority of like, you know, softball players or female softball players are lesbian, right?

Is it a majority or it's just like a stereotype?

A vibe.

I think it's like a stereotype that I'm like seriously perpetuating.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I don't know.

I'm just curious.

Like, what is the vibe, you know?

Yeah.

What is the vibe?

I think with the studies.

So I think

there are sports that are real 50-50, like women's soccer.

I feel like they're really half straight, half gay come out with the study so that we can speak factually on the matter you know instead of just like making sweeping generalizations yeah we're just suffering from like a lack of information knowledge on the matter thank you thank you we're suffering thank you and i'm sorry

i just was thinking it with gymnastics because it was the first year that i ever really watched it and of course i'm like oh that's gay of course you know and then i watched it i was like actually maybe it's not i don't know and i'm being like really yeah maybe we'll cut this out no i feel like we're being earnest i i'm asking in earnest i really am you guys know like i love everyone except for losers on catfish except for losers who catfish like seriously equality for everyone except for them totally are you ready for our next story yeah some more i'm sorry okay we know yeah you guys know my heart know your heart that's that's why sometimes i'm really actually like not afraid to say stuff because like you guys know my heart like i'm and and i'm actually like a really good person and i i really do i love everyone and i don't think bad of anyone.

Like I really don't, unless, like I said, you've catfished someone and you're a loser or you're Taric and you went on a hike.

So that's why I do feel comfortable asking these things because I feel like, you know, everybody.

I know your heart that's its intention is so important.

I never, ever, ever come from a bad place, except when I do.

But you'll know when I do.

But what we're saying is, in that moment, you weren't.

No, no, I was genuinely asking.

Yeah, there's no such thing as a dumb question.

Thank you.

Like, seriously, thank you.

Never stop asking why.

Never stop asking how many male gymnasts are day.

Our next story: switching gears,

some bravo drama.

Brandi Glanville gave an interview to the U.S.

Sun and told them that she felt pressured by Andy Cohen to get together with Southern charm star Austin Kroll.

So Brandi Glanville alleged in a new bombshell interview that Andy Cohen made her feel like a sex worker whom he was pimping out.

These are her words, quote, sex worker, quote, pimping out to other Bravo celebrities and crew members, including Austin Kroll.

So she told the U.S.

Sun on Wednesday, quote, I think that Andy wants me to take over and conquest the people that he can't because they're straight.

She said, quote, so I'm like his little sex worker and I'm not.

I'm sorry.

I'm a mom of two.

I've been in two long-term relationships my entire life.

I'm not what he's made me into in his head.

She provided the outlet with copies of text messages and emails in which she engaged with Andy in conversation about potential new suitors and ex-hookups.

She said, I've been dealing with very sexually explicit texts and emails for over a decade and none of them were jokes.

I had to act like I wasn't bothered by it because what if I said, you're disgusting?

You think I would ever work again?

Or fuck off.

No, I would be dead in the water.

One of the text exchanges reportedly took place shortly after BravoCon, and he allegedly wrote to her at the time, quote, kind of hoping you and my stage manager hooked up.

She replied, I think he wants you, which made him burst out laughing.

The following day, Andy allegedly told Brandy, quote, I really wanted you and Austin to get together.

He had his eyes on you.

Brandy did not dismiss the comment at the time and instead acknowledged, he's already DM'd me like four times.

Shep two, but Austin had his girl with him.

I'm going to.

She said, I'm going to Charleston for sure.

And I don't even like blondes.

We need more male options.

LOL.

And he actually did talk about an interaction with Brandy at BravoCom.

It didn't go into detail.

So like this does seem.

Yeah, no, I don't think she's lying.

Yeah.

The thing is, is like with the Brandy, because this is an ongoing saga, right?

There was that video with Kate Chestain that I actually, it's, you know, Brandy Cohen, Brandy Cohen.

Brandy Glanville's

in the news because that video like makes its way to me again.

Like, and, you know, she's making waves talking about it.

Um, I feel so torn because I could actually see, I could see these conversations like being inappropriate, right?

Like Andy is her boss.

But I also look at it as this like kind of, you know, fun, loud, older woman, and you know, sassy, gay.

And you see those conversations being totally fine, right?

So it's like, it's her truth and his truth, right?

Yeah.

But but the dynamic is it's it doesn't work dynamic.

Like he is the boss.

People have been fired for less because like that is the relationship.

It's not like they even knew each other before they started working together.

Like the power dynamic has always been like he's the executive producer and like she's a cast member and she is, even though, you know, I think his role has changed over time and at times, like, she, he's the honcho.

Like, yeah.

So, you don't

want to piss him off.

And she talked about that.

She said, Your boss should never talk to you that way.

We are not friends.

We do not hang out outside of work ever.

And we were at a work event.

She said, I felt this tremendous, tremendous amount of pressure to please him, but that was too far.

I'm not going to sleep with someone.

He literally thought I would do it.

That's the disgusting part.

And so interesting.

Also,

then, you know, Andy's side of it, even though I don't think he's responding to this, but in general, they say that like when the text occurred, he's also talent on Bravo and has not worked as a network executive in a decade.

He is, however, an executive producer for several of the Housewives show, but he does not have hiring or firing power.

However, this just reminds me of something else because a few weeks ago, Andy had said, like, they're totally re-overhauling the Houses of New Jersey.

And it's like, so are you the guy who makes these decisions or are you not?

It's true.

Like, anytime there's a casting update or a casting drama, he goes on his radio show and speaks on it.

And then other times when Housewives want their job job back, he's like, I'm not wrong charge of this.

Wrong department.

That's so true.

I really think for like his PR, because this, all of this has been a mess.

He's in a lot of like little skirmishes like this.

They need to really choose a lane.

And if the lane is like, Andy doesn't have these decisions, he is now talent.

He's just like you guys, then he should not be going on his radio show and saying like, oh,

New Jersey, we are doing this.

We think this is best.

You know, it's so interesting because I feel like.

For many, many years, Andy really maintained a level of distance from the housewives.

And that's why it was so complicated when he like cast Carol Radzwell, because that was somebody from his personal life.

He always, and I remember reading this in his books, and he said it on the show, like he was very, very particular.

He never followed any of the ladies on Instagram.

Cause once you follow one, you have to follow all.

And he really drew a line in the sand of like a level of professionalism.

And then he got this like new deal where he like really wasn't involved in casting anymore.

And I think he like let up a little bit.

And then they had his baby shower, which obviously like that was.

quote unquote inappropriate behavior with your boss, right?

You're shaking your ass on a table and drinking.

And so I feel like there was a shift when Andy took on this new role where he at one point was was like an employee of Bravo.

Then he got this big deal where his production company and he's like an employee now of his production company and he's considered talent just like Brandy.

Right.

And so I think his behavior really shifted and he was got more comfortable saying things like this and going out drinking and following people on Instagram and taking pictures.

But I think it really worked out for him when he had that really strict sort of line in the sand where he didn't engage, no fraternization.

And you were like, why not?

It's like you're all friends, you're all celebrities.

But it was better because then things like this didn't happen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I understand Brandy's perspective because on the one hand, like they've been, she, she's been treated this way by Andy, as he said, like pimps her out.

That's her words for all these years.

And then like she really, she got fired and everything for acting in the way that Andy's encouraged her to act.

It's confusing.

So I understand why she's mad and confused.

Yeah.

And that, did that show ever air?

No, I didn't.

I actually think they just aired it.

Like it's, it was Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip Morocco, which had so much potential because Morocco is like a part of New York City housewife hurster.

They brought in Alex McCord, Caroline Manzo.

Like it was really supposed to be incredible.

And then this whole thing happened between her and Caroline.

And I don't know if they even aired it.

And if they did, they had to cut out so much legally that like, I don't know if it was even worth watching.

Yeah.

It was like, it just turned into a flop.

Yeah.

But when it was announced, oh my God, like people were not okay.

Yeah.

Alex McCord coming out of retirement, it was years ago.

Like at some point, people stopped caring.

Yeah.

But it seems as though Andy's sailing through all of these different things that are going on.

And I'm sure like he'll continue to, because if there was real, like, people are suing, but if there was.

I mean, that big New York New Yorker article.

And what was it?

Where they house I'm speaking on record.

There's like plenty of house, but none of it really has legs.

So

I don't know if he will like change what he's doing, but I imagine it's like he's not enjoying this either.

Yeah, right.

So, or was the Hollywood Reporter where he was on the cover?

There's been a couple of those sorts of things.

Yeah.

And he talked about it very briefly.

Yeah.

Like, I can't, you know, when you, once you're involved in like a legal drama, obviously it's sex, but you always have a line where you're like, I can't talk about it.

It's legal legal drama.

Yeah, exactly.

Legalese.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah.

A little movie-making news because Lionsgate has just pulled the trailer for their new Francis Ford Coppola movie and issued an apology saying we screwed up because they fabricated quotes from famous film critics in the trailer.

You know how every movie trailer is like, so-and-so says it's this and that.

So Lionsgate is immediately recalling their trailer for

megalopolis.

It's the new Francis Ford Coppola movie.

How do you pronounce that?

Megalopolis.

Megalopolis, a spokesperson said in a statement to variety.

We offer our sincere apologies.

Is Francis Ford Coppola deb?

I guess not.

I guess not.

This is such a weird story.

Yeah, they offer their apologies to critics involved in Francis Ford Coppola and American Zotrope for this inexcusable error in our vetting process.

We screwed up and we are sorry.

So the trailer released on Wednesday morning aimed to position his latest film as a work of art that would withstand the test of time, much like his other masterpieces like The Godfather and Apocalypse Now.

The video included several quotes from critics panning his previous work, but none of the phrases attributed to the likes of Roger Ebert, you know, Ebert and Roper and Pauline Kale could be found in any of their reviews.

They just like made up.

By the way, I don't know why like everyone's freaking out and they had to pull this all the time, like

every trailer for everything ever made, not even just movies, it'll be like incredible film, dot, dot, dot, end quote, People magazine.

And then if you ever were to read it, the critic from People Magazine, incredible film, but lack depth.

No, like where it's like, this sought out to be an incredible film.

Or, like, I personally, I watched, dot, dot, incredible film.

Incredible film, dot, dot, dot.

Like, it's so misleading.

What's most shocking to me about this story is that someone actually took the time to go and look at the old reviews that they had written about older Francis Ford Coppola movies only to find that they did not say those things that they said.

Yeah.

Like, I feel like those trailers and those quotes are so misleading.

It's just like a thing now.

Like, every trailer has like a fake quote.

And you know what they've really started to do?

At first, it was like, okay, they would put quotes in trailers from like reputable publications, right?

Then they started like including people from social media, you know?

Yeah.

And then you go to the person's Twitter profile and it's like an employee of Lionsgate.

Like it's literally fake.

And so why this is like becoming a scandal?

Like, who cares?

I guess because they're talking about like historic movies.

I don't know.

It seems very like highbrow and the critics, like, they've had enough of people using their name in vain and they don't like this.

And I feel like, as a critic, I mean, it's probably their job to also take a lot of criticism while giving it.

And so

they'll only take the true ones.

There's really only one critic whose opinion matters to me, and it's Sandy Kenyon with the Eyewitness News movie Minute.

I wonder what he thought about this movie.

The thing is, Sandy Kenyon and I have never disagreed.

Is that true?

No, honestly, like he is some of the worst fucking tastes.

I feel like he really

is an industry plant too.

It's like the network says this, like we have, we've invested in this movie.

Like Sandy says it's good.

It's true.

He's not pushing back.

Okay, so Sandy, I'm so glad you brought that up actually.

And that, I actually think he's very scrupled in just being like a corporate man.

Yeah, no, he has a job and he's going to get the job.

He's going to keep his job.

But so Sandy Kenyon, yes, he's on ABC, the eyewitness dudes movie Minute, and ABC is obviously owned by Disney.

And so Disney, it's a huge conglomerate.

They have production studios.

And so they sometimes will like review a movie that's a part of, that was like produced and paid for by Disney.

And he has a little disclaimer at the end where he's like, and, you know, Transformers is a...

MGM production, which is owned by Disney, our parent company.

I just made all that up, but you know, same vibe.

And he's basically winking to the audience because he cares about his authenticity, winking being like, this is a paid promo.

It's like, even though I know he's being paid to say the things that he says, and he's not really even saying anything.

Like, has he ever even slammed a film?

Like, no.

Well, that's the thing.

Sandy Kenyon just sort of radiates positivity.

Right.

It's like, even though I know that he's being paid to say just nonsense, like, I trust him.

I also believe Sandy Kenyon is a regional actor.

Like, he, I don't think, you know, our global fan base will know who he is.

And so for that, I apologize because that sucks.

That must be really hard to not know Sandy Kenyon with the eyewitness news movie minute he is like he's our local he's a national treasure and a regional treasure where he really rose to fame is on taxi TV because in New York City taxi cabs in the early 2000s they added TVs to the back it was a cultural reason

cultural shift 1000% and then sometimes you would get like an older cab that didn't now every single cab has a TV but while they were rolling them out sometimes you would get one that has it and one that doesn't yeah and so they would all play the same things and different companies with buy spots i remember i learned that like in the beginning of it was from talk stoop remember talk stoop oh my god there were so many there were so many little like mini tv shows that would like play on repeat

that's like you guys know we quote it all the time um

shade better in law no and the that lion king truck it is time hey you in the backseat of the taxi it is time

so these things would run like constantly and there was only a handful of them and they just became like cultural fixtures in New York City life.

That soup is on television by the way.

But it started on taxi TV and when someone met with her who hosts it

Sarah.

Yeah.

And she said like they started when they started on taxi TV like no they couldn't like you couldn't no one was buying ads like it was so easy.

They couldn't get arrested and now it's like it's iconic.

No, and not to make everything about us, but it was kind of really major for us because one of the classic back back

one of the classic taxi tv news reporters was a gorgeous bald-headed man

named david ushri spelled u-s-h-e-r-y

literally our brother like david ushry i love him i hope he's doing well taxi tv like seriously means the world to me yeah and it's still on but it's not the same and now like anyone can buy taxi tv and it's like kind of like lowbrow it is they do like a lot of nbc first look like they repackage that content that place after snl where they go try like different foods sometimes they have jeopardy jeopardy and that i like oh yeah i always turn off my taxi tv now because of my motion sickness i can't be watching tv in the back seat what am i a toddler um with the new congestion tax i actually don't really take taxis anymore it's sick how they've put those medallions out of business a thousand percent don't get us cost to get a medallion now it's impossible don't get it's impossible to work anyways

We'll have to find out what Sandy Kenyon thought about Francis Morgan.

What a strange story.

And it seems as though Adam Driver's in the movie.

He would be.

Lots of movies coming out, don't you find?

No.

I feel like it's like the same, like, sort of level of release.

I don't know.

I drove past a marquee the other day and there was like a lot of stuff, and I had heard of a lot of them, too.

Right.

I think what you're confusing, I don't think there's more movies.

I think there's like just happens to be a time right now where like a lot of movies that you are interested in and like have heard of.

I'm not sure if there's a for movies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's good.

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She herself is up for five awards during the VMAs.

The most important thing.

Boy, wonder how many she'll win.

How many do you think she'll win?

Five?

Five?

No, they can't be so obvious.

She'll go four for five.

And then she'll make history.

Like the, I want to say, I figure history.

Her story.

I think Megan Thee Stallion is like one of those great celebrities who has a ton of personality and like can be tapped for things like this.

And I I think it all like overall improves her brand.

And then she obviously gets the awards because she's the host and that's great too.

But and I like that actually MTV like never taps like the Jimmies, right?

You know?

Yeah.

But having people like the Jimmies who are not eligible for any awards, it does give like a sort of

like a leveled playing field.

Whereas like if you're up against Megan thee Stallion in a category and she's

hosting.

Like, I wonder who's going to win.

You're probably not going to win.

Yeah.

And it also just begs the question, like, why does she want want to do this?

Like, she would be going to the award show anyway.

It's like hosting is a whole job

itself.

I think when you're hosting something as fun as the the amazing or so like loved as Megan thee stallion, I don't think there's anything that she's gonna do that like is risky.

Yeah, so I think it'll it'll all be good, but like it's a hard, like it's a lot of work.

It's a lot of prep.

Like why would you even want to?

I don't know.

No, a thankless job.

I seriously, I can't imagine somebody at her level wanting to do this.

Yeah, because you get to go to the, you're going anyway.

Just sit and enjoy.

I think either you get paid a lot because it's like a paramount production or, you know, and this is like what we're always saying about Taylor Swift, like going to these random award shows that she seems to be like too good for, like the Teen Choice Awards.

But

as a part of like getting to this level of legacy artists, like you want to be the most awarded, whatever.

And these awards do count.

And so Megan Thee Stallion maybe would have won a bunch, but like now as the host, like you definitely get, and so when you want to get to a level, like, and she's, cause she's like, she's at a high level, but she's on the up, right?

She's, yeah, she wants to get to, and you want to be the you know the most awarded female rapper of all time and so doing things like this is like a part of it's a part of the music industry that like i don't understand like kind of how we were talking about how taylor releasing these pop it's like this old storied way of doing business that i don't understand yeah that works yeah that's a good point that's how i would explain it i think yeah

Well, I think she'll be good as far as, you know, who they could get that's an artist.

That's a good idea.

She's a personality.

She's bursting with it.

So I think she'll be really good.

Oh my God.

You know, I saw a video of Lizzo and I literally forgot about her.

Like, I think that her like scandal like really affected her business.

And I just saw a video of, um, it was actually her sharing.

She's like been in the gym.

She's like lost a significant amount of weight.

And of course, like that became like huge news for everyone because like Lizzo's the face of

that movement and she's like making changes.

And, you know, I'm not going to comment.

That's great for her.

I'm not like, you know.

But it really put into perspective because I realized, I'm like, I haven't seen a video of Lizzo, like, or even like a mention of Lizzo in so long like I think that that lawsuit had a real effect on her business but I think she also took a step back because of

like she like because of it like she she was going no it was she couldn't do anything without people talking about it yeah well no it was it was really bananas like what was alleged it was bananas and it was so incongruous with who she is like seriously it was really bad and and the lawsuit will have to play out.

But I think on the one hand, if she ignored it and kept working, like I don't know how that would have gone for her, but her taking a backseat and being quiet, it's the dominant story about her.

It's the last thing we said about Lizzo and it's the only thing that we really remember right now.

But yeah, it was not good.

No, and it's opposite.

And like we said, the opposite of who she says to be.

That's when, that's when it's really bad, especially when so much of her brand is like about being authentic and relatable and loving everyone.

And it's like, you're none of those things.

Yeah.

None of them.

Well, I just was like really, I like, had actually forgotten about her.

It's so crazy how you can like come into the public sphere and like be everywhere all at once.

And then it happens so quickly and it happens so like I didn't even realize she was kind of being like phased out of culture.

Yeah, but I also feel like it makes sense that that's why some of these pop stars like don't stop working.

Like when we used to say Ariana Grande, take a nap.

And I feel like she was worried about being phased out of culture.

Like she.

in hindsight wasn't wrong.

That didn't happen to her because I do think she's at a level where she can come and go as she pleases.

Now she is.

But like it it really reminds me of Camila Cabello because there was a time when, like, Havana

walked down the street without hearing one of her songs, and now that's not the case.

So now she's just like everyone else, she's like a singer.

Yeah,

yeah, but I don't know.

I feel like she's kind of whenever she comes back, as you said, she's coming back, like, I feel like she's gonna have to claw her way again.

Yes, it's just, it's crazy how you can be at the Havana level, uh-huh,

and then not.

Yeah.

Okay, I'm really excited to talk about Love is Wine.

Oh, yes.

And we're starting with Freddie and Catherine.

Okay.

Yes, of course.

We'll We'll go couple by couple.

So after Freddie and Catherine.

Freddie and Catherine.

Spoiler alert.

The spoilers begin now.

Love is Wine UK.

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So final show before the summer.

So Freddie and Catherine didn't get married.

She said yes.

He said no.

And I think we all hoped that that was going to be the case.

The only thing that kind of threw a wrench in my like experience was him sending her the earrings, which was the volley sweet note, like, we're in this together.

But I guess it's congruous with the fact that he wanted to still date her after the fact.

Or, like, I'm still, I'm here.

Or maybe he really didn't know up until that moment.

So, if he did say yes, he's like, Well, I want to treat my bride special on her wedding day.

I was overjoyed.

I got really upset watching.

Like, I actually got really emotional.

We were crying.

We were hysterically crying because it was this very sweet moment where his older brother, who was like non-verbal Down syndrome,

walked him down the aisle, which was so sweet.

And right before they walked down the aisle, his brother, who really hasn't said much during his time on air, just sort of nestled his head in Freddy's like bosom, if you will.

Crook of his arm and looked up and he said, Freddie, and he hasn't spoken much.

And Freddie was like looking in his eyes.

It was one of the most tender moments I've ever seen.

I could like literally start crying talking about it.

It was one of the most beautiful things I'd ever seen in my life.

And just knowing that there was this girl at the end of the aisle who doesn't care about his brother, I don't think she cares.

She's so materialistic and she has done everything she can to like hide that side of her.

But when you got to know her friends, you really got to see like who she hangs out with.

And I kept keep going back to thinking of what Ollie said about her.

I thought Ollie was so judgmental.

I'm like, oh my god, you're going to like pass on this girl because of this type of club she goes to.

And I don't understand British culture, but he must have like understood something about the type of girls who go there.

Um, because I think he clocked her so accurately.

And it really was making me sick because Freddie is this pure of heart.

They, they don't make men like Freddie anymore.

They don't make human beings like Freddy anymore.

He is so pure.

He is so lovely.

Whatever Catherine looked like, he would have loved her till the day she died.

Like,

and I don't think that she was

there for the right reasons.

I think if she said yes, it was because he was very good looking and that he had a very steady job.

And, like, this is a person who lives at home with her parents.

Like, she, she was just like happy to have somewhere new to live.

Yeah, she's very judgmental and she's very materialistic for somebody who lives at home.

Like, you're almost 30 and you don't even have your own apartment.

Like, okay.

Yeah.

I thought, like, the more I learned about her, and I think it took me a really long time to get to the place where last night, like, I hated her.

Yeah, no, when we first started watching, I loved Freddy and Catherine.

Like, I loved them as a couple.

I thought they were so sweet.

I was so happy when they found each other in those first few days in Greece, when they were so happy together, I was like, this is so beautiful.

But, like, the way she would like pick on him, start fights with him, like, ask him a question.

And no matter how he answered it, like, it was the wrong answer.

And even when he tried to answer it, oh, so you want me to say this?

Like, let me say that.

She's mad about that too.

Like, just really making his life unhappy.

You could see his light dimming throughout the show.

Cause like when they went shopping together, that was like such a painful scene.

He's like trying to joke and just like have fun and pick out funny things.

And she's like so irritated by him and so he's just like oh i won't do that anymore like and he's just making himself smaller for her this wench when like he is perfect absolutely perfect the way that he is by the time that they got married i was like this woman is empty inside she has absolutely she's not even just like surface like and there's not even the surface layer like she has no depth she has no just like deep yeah like love in her heart when she was with her family and oh my god the way she treats her parents she treats her parents, but like when she was in the bridal suite with her family and friends, like talking about if Freddy's gonna say yes or not, like, I felt like I was watching like a grift, I felt like I was watching an episode of American Grief.

I'm like, Are we going to swindle this big funeral owner or not?

Like, I seriously, it felt like a lifetime movie.

And by the way, I want to say her parents are lovely, lovely, they love her so much, and I think they know that she's like, kind of like a,

she's so vapid,

seed, yeah.

And even, and I know she was upset when you know, and so she's allowed to like, you know, lash out, but like her parents were so lovely.

And even before, so she didn't know Freddie was going to say, no, her dad's walking down the aisle.

And, you know, they always show the bride with the person who's walking them down the aisle.

And there's a sweet moment.

And her dad is saying these lovely things to her.

She doesn't even respond.

I think she's awful.

Like, I really,

I, I hate her.

No, I, I, I, and I was feeling so mad watching and I, especially that scene with a brother.

It really was just emblematic of the type of person Freddie is.

And it's like, whoever Freddie marries, like, has to be as committed to taking care of his brother for the rest of his life as ever.

And that's what the pre-not conversation was about.

Because, like, if something happens to Freddie, like, that person needs to step into that role.

And, like, there's not a woman on the show who would have been a worse candidate for that.

A thousand percent.

And

calling it now, my queenie of the week is his fucking sister who saw from the moment they sat down on that couch.

Betsy Dora.

Dude, do, do, do, do, Dora.

What's her name?

Betsy Dora.

Dude, do, do, do, Betsy Dora.

She is a precious angel, Dora.

Yeah.

She knew from the moment.

And you know what?

She was brave to say something.

And Freddie said, you know, what my sister said, like, influenced me, but I knew.

Yeah.

Queen.

Only wishing the best for Betsy Dora.

And so when he finally said no, like the robotic.

The cheers.

The cheers in the room.

The crowds went wild.

Oh my God.

The relief that we felt.

Like I felt like we just like staved off something really bad.

And, you know, seeing that he wants to still date her, he's just not ready to marry her yet.

Like that was disappointing.

It's fine by me because I think he needs that time to be certain that she is not right for him.

And, like, in time, everyone, you can only pretend for so long.

So, I do think she was playing down her, the more materialistic, but like, it's not even a materialistic that's like a bad thing.

Cause, you know, we love material goods.

It's a real lack of lack of depth.

Yeah.

And caring and

very like just selfish and vapid.

And I'm glad you brought up like pretending because I want to talk about Demi and Ollie next.

And for me, like.

Oh, so wait, I just wanted to, if we're done wrapping up Freddie Freddie and Catherine, which I guess, I guess we are.

To me, like, I have seen through Ollie this entire time, right?

Because he's someone to me who was really into Catherine when he saw her.

He's very into physical looks.

And every when he was in Mexico, everyone was like, What's wrong?

What's wrong?

Like, and he's like, nothing's wrong.

Nothing's wrong.

Something was obviously wrong.

So to me, he's a person who's been lying the whole time.

And he almost got me because I'm like, damn, actually, will these two get married?

But the fact that they took everybody had to be apart for three days before the wedding and Demi comes in and says, I haven't spoken to him once.

Like he was acting for the show.

He didn't want to come off off as a dick because he had a girl who wasn't his type and he didn't want to break up with her.

He was going to see this thing through, but you know, he gets off for three days.

He's not going to talk to this girl.

Like, yeah.

And so that's why she said no, by the way, I think that if he had continued playing with her and pretending throughout those three days, I think she would have said yes.

I am so mad that they let her go first because I wanted to see, oh, you're really going to take this all the way.

He got off the hook.

Oh, oh my God.

Seriously.

And then when she said no, he like looks at the priest like, what?

What?

Like being such an actor?

Yeah, but oh, I feel like he might have also thought she was gonna say yes because she was so in love with him and that he would say no i think a part of him was we like one relieved but also his ego was bruised it was weird but he got off scot-free because he was playing a part this entire time

the entire time like he really like fixed himself in Greece when like he was yeah he's like oh people are on to me yeah and then I think also it got easier when they got home because she has wonderful family and friends and they and he likes them and he got along with them and and their lives were really intertwining intertwining and that was nice so they were able to like coast for a while, and it wasn't as hard for him.

But I do think, you know, to make the decision to spend your life with someone, like, you're not going to do that just to be liked on top of it.

Well, of course.

And if he had taken it all the way and then been like, he could have explained it away, right?

Like, yeah, listen, I want to keep seeing you.

But I'm not all the way there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm so mad that they didn't make him go first.

Like, seriously, he got away with murder.

Yeah, but then I guess they were also sparing Demi, one, like being turned down at the altar.

And two, she got to take a little bit of her power back

and turn him down after I feel like he wasn't the kindest to her the entire season.

So for her confidence, I think that was really good that she got to be the one to say no.

Agreed a thousand percent.

I, you know, she's so interesting because all the girls are very beautiful and they all are in full glam like the whole time.

And Demi really committed to like, okay, this is a reality show.

I'm going to be real.

And there were a lot of scenes with her not wearing makeup.

And to see her

show up so glam, she looked insanely gorgeous at her wedding.

Insanely gorgeous.

And that's what happens when you're not always full glam.

Like all the girls are always glam.

So they're just like glam again.

She looks so different, like, you know, like, and special.

I thought she looked so beautiful.

And I was so happy for her.

And I feel like this experience, while she didn't come out with a husband, and that was obviously the goal she said at the end, and I really believed her.

Like, I think this is one of the best things that ever happened to her.

I think she, like, like I said, she like found herself a little bit.

She was coming through something at the beginning of the show, like, personally.

And we were like watching that unfold and like we couldn't figure it out.

And I think she came out on the other side.

And I do think, and she said that this was such a positive experience.

And I believe her.

And I think she's probably really better off for having gone on the show, even though she didn't come out, you know, technically winning with a husband.

Yeah, but it kind of reminds me of camp a little bit.

Like, you're in a bunk with all these girls, and they, and they lift you up, and they lift you up, and they show you new things, and you learn from them, and you're influenced by them.

And I feel like this group of girls was also just like a great group that really helped her.

Like, like the fact that her best friend in the house is Jasmine, who's who's so

feminine and glamorous, and like, you know, confident.

Like, I feel like that's so great for Demon.

She probably like learned so much and was uplifted by that.

So, I, I do think that's really great a thousand percent um just like seriously hate ollie and hate that he got away and yeah that is the order of who they were letting go first pissed me off which is a good transition to tom and maria i think we all knew tom was gonna say no and we're gonna talk about his reasonings because seriously like i laughed i actually giggled i wanted to see what she would have said i know me too because i think she might have said yes i think she was gonna say no because she didn't seem as upset as i thought she was gonna be correct she never in her confessionals afterwards was like i thought we were getting married today like i or i was gonna say yes she I felt like she might have said no.

And I think that she should have said no.

I feel like Tom was not kind to her.

And his reasoning for saying no is not

a reason.

Children with her who then get raised that if they're a boy, they have to pay for dates.

Like, you're worried about your hypothetical children's financial future in 30 years.

Right.

You're worried about something 30 years from now and not more worried about like your immediate happiness.

That makes no sense.

People have differing values on stuff all the time.

It's not, there are things that are absolute deal breakers, but something like that,

I don't, I think that they could have like worked through it.

Maybe you pay for this, I pay for that, like just figuring things out.

And also that's a conversation.

That's a pod conversation.

Sorry.

Yeah.

But like, well, by the way, it's really what they were talking about when she was like, you know, I want to take a few years off work.

And once we have kids, like, those are moments I don't want to miss.

And he was like, well, I want someone ambitious.

Like, he is like kind of a toxic.

uh feminist where it's like oh we're so equal like you have to do the same amount of organizations

don't stop working pay for everything oh and her work is not enough right like he's judgmental about what she she does for a living.

Yeah.

He sounds horrible.

Like, seriously, like no grace for her being a woman.

He is, but it's just frustrating because that's a conversation that should have ended their relationship in the pods.

So then to take it all the way to then be broken up by something that was.

should have been dealt with in the beginning like is annoying.

I also just think it's an excuse.

I don't think that they were like so in love, but the way they would talk about their connection and their compatibility, I didn't see it all the time.

I do think they had like fun together and they liked each other.

I think it was like a great physical attraction.

I think they had like amazing sex.

Yeah.

And but then you also have pod connection.

So that does give you a level of emotional connectivity.

And sometimes it's really those two things.

Like we relate on an emotional level.

We like each other physically.

There are other life factors, but I didn't feel like it was the life factors because they blended really well into each other's lives.

I know.

And I can't imagine, like, you know, at some point you're 40.

Like, you can't be so particular, Tom.

Like, right.

Little things about like paying for dates.

That's what's stopping you.

That's the only issue.

I'm just saying, I don't think that's the only issue.

And we're not getting honesty.

And I want honesty.

I sat here for 10 episodes.

agreed I also want to say um Maria's a queen like I she was one of my favorites in terms of the women her and Jasmine and you want to go to Jasmine now I thought she I just want to say like I don't know if she did her own makeup on her wedding I kept wondering if they were gonna bring that up I think she did she looked so insanely gorgeous she was probably my favorite look like really clean classic like hair pulled back simple dress no crazy jewels or anything I I thought she looked great.

But yes, I want to talk about Jasmine.

Jasmine, my queen, obsessed.

And actually, it's...

They planted a little doubt.

They didn't, but it was a similar situation to Freddie.

But like, it was like with freddie his family was like telling him like we don't know about this and like he needed to listen to that and for jasmine her mom was saying like seriously no and she's listened to everything her mom has said her entire life and and she needed to not listen the crazy thing is though her mom didn't say anything unreasonable right she said you don't really know this person and i am not confident in his ability to provide for you um he has like kind of a uh murky job history and the music video, of course.

And so those are valid concerns from a mom about, you know, who your daughter's marrying.

And you said this while we were watching, and you were so right.

You were like, yeah, what she's saying is not wrong at all.

But Jasmine's the type of woman who can make a man out of, out of who she chooses.

And she's very alpha.

And that's a very, you know, you need a particular type of man for that.

And Bobby's so down to fit into her life.

Like, however, he will do, you want to go to work?

You want to, she'll, Jack, you were like, she'll send him to business school.

She will.

Yeah, she will.

I have no concerns about him being able to provide for her.

The things that were concerns about Bobby are fixable.

He doesn't not have ambition.

He doesn't not want to do all these things for Jasmine.

He loves her so much and he'll be an amazing husband to her.

And those are the things that are not fixable.

So him just like getting a new job, she could be on LinkedIn in two seconds, finding him interviewing him, getting him dressed, getting him briefed out the door.

There are women like that and there are men like that.

And there are like great men who have done great things because they always say like, you look at a powerful man, like there's a more powerful woman behind.

And she's so that type of person.

You were so right about that.

I love them together.

I think they have a real love.

Yeah, the things that are great about their relationship are not things that you can fix about someone else.

Like they are interconnected.

They respect each other.

They love each other and they like each other.

And he just needs a better job.

She's going to make that happen.

I was so happy for them.

Yeah, me too.

I was so hoping.

I thought they would say yes.

I'm glad that they said yes.

The fact that they played his song at the end of their wedding.

Hilarious.

I needed that moment of levity.

People were like, what is everyone singing?

This song has been weighing on me.

Yeah, I know.

And now, like, knowing it's like a funny thing in their family and their life, like, that's, that's great.

I saw a picture of the entire cast, like at the premiere.

And I think that, I think a significant amount of time has passed since this was filmed because everybody looked really different.

Jasmine is full black hair.

She looked amazing.

Oh, great.

How long were Sabrina's bangs?

That's how you can tell the passage of time.

Yeah.

Sabrina, I think, had the biggest like physical glow up on the show.

She from the girl we met in the pods to the girl who ended up getting married.

She like really grew up.

She had like this maturity.

Her bangs crew, but like overall, like she just looked so happy.

They were like a no-brainer, right?

We all knew they were going to say yes.

They didn't even try to make us doubt.

Like they were just like, they put them first.

It was like all love.

They wanted to kick us off on a good note.

Also for the UK, this is their first season.

They want to show everyone like marriages happen.

Yeah.

This can work.

So they started with a love match.

I have no commentary.

Like, I'm so happy for them.

They're really well suited.

I do still have questions about his girlfriend with the tumor who broke up with him and then healed.

Like, but for now, it's good.

Yeah.

And

I,

I wish them well.

Nicole and Benaya were like the only couple who said yes who I was not sure about.

Well, everyone like made me unsure.

And also people have been commenting like on our episode being like, you guys like Benaya?

Like he's so weird.

Like, no, he's definitely, it's just his hair.

No, but like they think Benaya is like red flags.

Oh, no, I think he's really sweet.

I think he's like a little nerdy.

Maybe that's what's coming off.

I think the way everybody around them talked about them, like this connection that they had, I just personally wasn't seeing it.

So I was like, I think they're going to get married because the way everybody talks about them.

But I don't see this great love match.

But, and then she was acting kind of weird at the altar.

Like like she's acting kind of sad like for him

like for him he was like of course i do yeah like they didn't even make us wait for him to say i do i was like okay but she's gonna break up with him i was so not seeing what everyone was seeing but they said yes and you know good for them yeah i was hoping that they would say yes too i just think of the three couples who got married if any of them were to get divorced like it's gonna be them Because of the way they got together.

And also because Jasmine and Bobby, I think, are so strong.

And Sabrine and Stephen, like, are ironclad.

So by default, it would be them.

Yeah.

But

there is something about her where like she just doesn't like

and like know her own mind.

Like she keeps making like the wrong choice.

That's true.

I don't know if she doesn't trust her gut or if her gut is off, but like it's a little bit, that's a little weird.

It's so true.

But hopefully she's got it right this time and like they can just live their lives and enjoy.

I think there's a reunion, which makes me so happy.

I need to see what everyone's up to.

I need to know if Catherine and Freddie like did date.

Are they still dating?

Are they engaged?

I need to know if he's called Molly Mae or if Molly Mae has called him.

Called him.

That's what I need to know.

So all in all, like seriously obsessed?

Yeah.

It was a really enjoyable ride.

And I want to say it's, it's really better than U.S.

I think every season of U.S.

is different.

Yeah.

And I'm sure the next season of U.K.

would be terrible.

I'm not, I don't need to compare.

I go season by season.

It's such a great show.

There's nothing like a great season of Love is Blind.

It's true.

It's really, really fantastic.

Seriously, when I was doing the ad for gummy vitamins, I got like, I'm so hungry that it sounded delicious.

We need to wrap up so I can eat.

Like, I'm running.

Okay, we're wrapping.

And I'm wrapping.

I'm not even doing my thing.

Like, I need a sandwich to the face stat.

And I'm just going to let you know that I love you.

Bye.