Intro To Media Literacy: Tuesday, July 30th, 2024

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Good morning, millennials, and welcome back to the toast.

Happy Tuesday.

Thank you for choosing to spend the day with us.

Thank you so much for that.

For that.

And for a myriad of other things, thank you to everyone who's already gotten tickets to our Atlantic City Gizno show, Girly Swirly's Night Out, is coming to the big city.

Not New York City.

Not the biggest.

Not Las Vegas.

We actually are coming to New York City, so thank you to those girls who we will be seeing this week at the Biakin Theater.

But to Atlantic City, which, if you know, you know, like you know, this show is about to be unlike any other.

I feel like we're entering our showgirl era.

Okay, it's giving burlesque.

Don't you find that's the energy that we need to bring?

I don't know.

I feel like if I were to just sort of describe the phase of my life that I'm currently in, it would be that dreadful scene in burlesque where Cher has her solo.

Oh, you think so?

Yeah, I feel like that's very gizno-coded.

I feel

what burlesque movie, musical scene do you currently feel is emblematic of your life?

I feel like Diana Agron, the angry fiancé.

Diana Agron, the angry fiance.

Oh my God.

When she like storms into the forlorn apartment and they're like sleeping in the bed.

It's like everyone else is singing and dancing and I'm like busy.

I know you're like working like in New York trying to provide for your family.

Literally that Diana Agron being in burlesque, I feel like is very reminiscent of one of the stories we're going to talk about.

Like one of the most random things where like two, like someone's in this like big movie.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

It's like Jennifer Hudson and Sex in the City coded.

I knew that's what you're going to talk about because I knew that that's what we're talking about.

We have good stories today.

But I do think that when we're planning our Atlantic City show, like we should just go through it through a lens of like showgirl, burlesque.

Showgirl.

Just something.

Should we wear like nipple tassels?

Is that what we do?

We should get those matching showgirl costumes.

So dabbing.

I think that's what Gizno needs.

I agree.

And like, if we're going to keep adding Gizno shows, we're going to need to like just be coming up with an outfit.

Like I cannot keep finding dresses that like fit, that are reasonably priced, like that are like snatchio.

Like, I can't keep buying dresses.

It's really not sustainable.

It's crazy that it's hard enough to buy a dress for an occasion, but now we've needed like eight party dresses

that suit our shape, that are cute and fun.

We're doing a great job, by the way.

I'm only down one dress.

Like, I don't have a dress for Thursday night.

I have a dress for Friday night.

Yeah.

I'm getting my haircut on Friday and I need a haircut in order to wear my Friday night dress.

I only have one beacon dress as well.

And we had thought, like, we would, we would we had thought like let's share i went into jackie's closet we actually have like we are the same size now but we have such different shapes shapes and like we go for completely different silhouettes so like the dresses that i tried on for you like i looked horrible in like they didn't work for my body it's so personal it's so personal all i had to say like i'm when you're ready like i'm ready to have a like a costume made one time and wear it to every single show well maybe it starts with atlantic city with our showgirl costumes we could be like kylie and kendall at the mat gal except like fat and short

sure

sure that works for me So, not only do we have Jennifer Hudson in the stories today, we have the ballerina farm update that I think no one's talking about, but they should be talking about.

And that's just the nature of the internet.

Like, this thing goes viral, and everybody's like literally coming up with stories in their heads about what's really going on in this woman's life.

That he's an abuser, an oppressor, she's an abused woman who can't speak out.

And now, there are updates that provide a lot of context and a lot of color from the author herself.

No one's talking about it.

We are going to talk about it.

A second article came out, and a podcast episode came out with audio recordings from her actual day we spent with hannah we're going to talk about that like consumed my day yesterday in addition to the olympics yeah no you felt very vindicated by that i did because you know we actually didn't even talk about this on the show we talked about it at our live show oh my god we got dragged for our take on ballerina farm like of course jackie and i are critical thinkers and we are more often than not and i said this when we recorded we you know our opinions are colored by our own experience and our definite thoughts.

Like I, I'm automatically going to go into any sort of scenario, like hating the journalist and liking the female influence.

Just because the intent, what they want for you is to do the opposite, right?

So we're not sheep.

I can own the fact that I came in biased, but I felt like my opinions were valid.

And oh my god, do I feel vindicated?

And now, knowing what I know, you have to bring that bias to counteract their bias, you know, so just so it's an even playing ground.

Knowing what I know now, if you go back and read the comments from our episode, I think it was Wednesday or Thursday of last week where we like talked about the article at length.

Oh my god, people are so crazy.

Like, I

just did the comments for any second like make you feel like maybe you were misguided in our take?

No, no, because sometimes people will like disagree and they make fire points and that's like tough because you're like, oh shit, like that's actually a really good point.

I didn't see any fire points being made.

You just like didn't like having the pop, like, not that we're ever the popular opinion, it was the unpopular opinion.

Sometimes we like take the hard path, but people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jackson Claude.

But then you didn't get that.

But now you're going to get that.

Yeah, I

just feel,

I just feel right, which.

so my question is: do you ever feel for a second like you might have been wrong?

Well, maybe, like, maybe there is a world in which, like, Hannah from Ballerina Farm is living in a crazy abusive home.

We wouldn't know that.

And I think, based on what we were given in terms of like what the article was shared, what Hannah shared with this lady, I didn't think that we can't just assume every, and then, and then, if you say, like, well, the people are like, well, of course, she wasn't going to, she's going to say that she loves her life, like, she's living with an abuser.

Okay, well, then maybe I'm living with an abuser.

Everyone, like, we can't operate like that.

We can't do that without anyone.

Well, we don't know what she's really going through.

Maybe she's an abuse like okay we can't operate like that like a person is over here saying she loves her life she chooses this life and it's amazing like i'm gonna choose to believe that i'm not gonna assume everyone is lying because they're living in an abusive household and we'll get into it but i want to talk about the egg apron too which we didn't talk about on this here episode so we'll get into it is that the first story yeah it is the first story so just table that for a second because also last night we recorded i feel like i was just sitting here with you

buddy and i did a little late night sesh for the patreon

It's like when other people say sesh, they mean like getting high.

When we say sesh, we mean doing dear toasters on the podcast episode.

We did a full deer toasters episode.

I address my thoughts on doing such an episode, and just a spoiler word.

You feel misunderstood.

I feel so misunderstood.

I hope I made myself understood on the episode.

Just so you know, the episode to do a whole Deer Toasters episode was my idea.

A thousand percent.

You keep talking.

The lights are bothering me.

They look uneven.

You just wanna be.

Yeah, they're there.

I feel like we've given up on making this studio like something to look at.

We are moving tomorrow.

This is our last show in the studio, Claudia.

So it should be really super ugly so that people appreciate whatever comes next.

We are moving tomorrow.

So tomorrow's episode will be audio only.

This is our last show in the studio.

And to say that this was our last video episode we would be recording in this for Lauren quicker.

It hasn't been perfect.

No, you could definitely say that it hasn't been perfect.

But it's been here for us.

When no one else has.

It's been ours.

I'm so looking forward to never podcasting in this corner again.

Although, I don't know how much different our new studio is going to be because we have the same equipment, just like a different room.

That's true.

Maybe we'll try to no offense, like screw the natural light.

I know, we go into a dark corner and be well lit.

We wanted to have like a Hamptons vibe.

So we wanted greenery and like we got it, but at what cost?

We're backlit.

The lighting has been horrible.

Yes, we are going to be in a dark corner and I don't want to hear a word about it from anyone.

Like we, we're just, it's going to be a make it work moment.

So enjoy this forlorn corner while you have it.

This is your last.

Yes, Jackie, you said tomorrow's going to be audio only.

Yeah, I said tomorrow's going to be audio only and there's a new patreon episode so it's kind of like we're all winning it's a big content week

i mean it always is here at the toast but somehow it's even more so we have a great show i feel like the stories are meaty today it's giving chats to oh so i'm ready to dive in i don't have anything else yesterday's olympics day was also like there was no gymnastics on men's gymnastics made some waves they won i'm happy for them um Pummel Horse Steve, all that I've been following, but nothing I need to really recap.

Today's the day we're podcasting.

Perfect timing.

By the time we're done, the females will be taken to the gymnastics floor and my ass will be on the couch.

So big day for us.

We do look like a couple of Olympic tennis players today.

Finally, like, and also, I know it's our last day.

I think we're looking good.

We match each other.

It's a very Hampton swirly vibe.

I feel like we finally got it together 30 days in.

Oh, I don't feel together like at all, but you look nice.

You look nicer.

Really?

I think I packed all my clothes.

I'm just like wearing what I found.

I haven't started packing yet.

I'm literally packing for 1,000 people.

So that's what I'll be doing today.

Yeah.

It's going to be chaos.

It's going to be chaos.

We're looking forward to like the new energy though.

Totally.

Swirly summer is about to start.

Yeah.

It's going to pop off.

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So our first story, the Ballerini Farm saga, continues.

The author of the article about Ballerina Farm released a follow-up piece called My Day with the Tradwife Queen and what it taught me.

So the subheader says, an interview published last weekend with internet star Hannah Nealeman at her Utah home, Ballerina Farm, has sparked a global social media debate.

Our writer, Megan Agnew, revisits her time with the mother of eight.

So here in the second article, she includes some of the more flattering bits from her day with Ballerina.

And I felt like she gave some context that had it been included in the original article, it would have completely changed.

She didn't, you know, in the article say anything downright, you know, derogatory or

like

misleading, but pulling context, just, you know, she allowed her words to infer things for people.

Yeah.

And people jumped to their own conclusions.

And I think that like one of the main things was that,

you know, she couldn't get a moment alone with Hannah and she never wanted to,

she couldn't ask any of the questions that she really wanted.

And she goes on to say that the reason she couldn't ask some of the questions that she wanted was because they were inappropriate to ask in front of children or a husband.

And, you know, one of those questions is like, what does she use for birth control?

And seriously, like, we're asking people those questions.

Like, that's if you couldn't ask that in front of someone's kids or a husband, like, maybe you shouldn't ask it at all because it's fucking disgusting.

Right.

And what is she going to say?

Do you pull out Daniel?

Like, not in front of her.

What would she say, not in front of her husband, that she would say to you behind a closed door that then's going to end up on the internet?

I think also in the first article, she didn't say anything directly, but she painted a picture that made it seem like Daniel needed to be in the room at all times, like very controlling and wanted to

not have Hannah speak without him present for whatever reason.

Here, she kind of walks back on that inference and just says that that's the nature of having eight children.

I think also the way that we read the article and saw it play out on social media, we saw Ballerina Farm getting a lot of backlash and people worried that is Ballerina Farm okay.

This author must have also received people's thoughts because I think that's why she put out this article because she was trying to explain herself herself because I think she's also getting that criticism.

Like, how can you like, right?

She wrote this.

In recent days, there has been criticism that I, a childless unmarried woman, didn't understand that this is the reality of having eight children, all homeschooled and with no childcare.

But I felt the exact opposite when I was there.

It made me understand exactly how it was to be a woman with eight children and no child care.

And you can never know.

You can never know, and especially if you're still insisting on getting a moment alone with her, you're not going to get that.

How can she give you her time when like she literally, like someone has to watch eight children?

One of them is an actual actual baby the other are toddlers that's not the same as watching an eight-year-old so you don't understand if you still if that's still the expectation that you would get a moment alone with her and i just never know i've never known a journalist who writes it was a hit piece to then follow up i'm it i don't know what the right word is because it doesn't feel like she's backtracking at all but since the first article came out that really was misleading and left out so many things that caused people to jump to conclusions like daniel's an abusive oppressor um now this second article has come out and there was a podcast episode released by the Times with the journalist and they included, I guess she had recorded a bunch of the conversations and there is a very clear moment because so many people are basically saying like, you know, Hannah had all these

ideas for her life and she put them, you know, they were stripped from her by Daniel.

And this isn't the life that she chose.

And there's a very clear moment and they included it in the podcast, which is Hannah saying, and she sounds, they're sitting outside and she's like, you know, I love this life.

I chose this life.

And when it came to Daniel and her dancing, she's like, Daniel was actually the one who encouraged me to keep dancing

after we had kids.

And he still is the one who encourages me to keep dancing.

And it so clearly contradicted the very subtle, well, actually, not so subtle inferences she was trying to make in the original article.

Right.

That she couldn't dance because Daniel kept getting her pregnant.

And that's what he wanted.

He put her gowns in the garage.

Anything small thing she has for herself, he finds a way to take it away from her and sub in more kids and more kids' things.

Yeah, it was so crazy.

And like

now,

the

follow-up article and the podcast episode obviously get no attention in comparison to how much owner, and she's right, it started a global conversation, how much the original article did.

And that's just a shame because now everybody walks away when you hear Ballerina Farms like, oh, yeah, that's a girl who's like, people went really so far.

She's locked up and she's abused.

And that really, I don't believe is the case.

And I just think it's, it's really sad.

I want to just talk about the fact that she even wrote a follow-up article, which I think is really stunning.

I've not seen anything like that from one author who writes a hit piece.

Let's call it what this was a hit piece that then a few days later writes a softer piece on someone.

And people are like having their conspiracy theories as to why this came out.

The Mormon name

paid her, bribed her.

I saw Daniel and made me, you showed me that video of that creator on TikTok and she had a great point.

It was like, if you think that much about this author's integrity, that she could get paid off to write a second article about ballerina farm, how are you going to trust what she wrote in the first piece to begin with?

Like, she's obviously like a scrupless spineless woman right so i don't think she was paid off bribed by anyone but i also don't think that she did it like plenty of times look at huberman no one then did a follow-up about huberman

i feel like

was the first article libelous in any way well see the thing is this is the uk times and there are different laws there so i'm not a hundred percent sure and no and that's what is so like funny and finicky about media is and this happens all the time where people are you know they they they write things that aren't a lie but they lack context they're not the whole truth and they they lead the reader to come to a conclusion that isn't entirely true but it's well within the confines of being legal and that's what you know journalism i think for a lot of writers like this is what they do and so no i don't think she broke the law in any way i think she you know

saw the things that she saw.

And you have to also think about like just how different these two people are.

I actually was on the author's Instagram yesterday just to like, I want to see what she looked like.

And like, this is a girl, a young girl who lives in an entirely different country who, like she said, doesn't have kids yet, is unmarried, and she was just at Glastonbury.

Like, these two people could not be more different.

So, why we think one of them, I'm sure if Hannah had to write an article and spend the day with this girl, she'd be like, this girl's a crackhead.

Like,

it's just, it's a stunning difference of, you know, two different women leading completely different lives, making completely different choices.

And that's totally valid.

But to think that we were going to get a fair assessment on one of them from the other, like, is just.

right.

I think there are articles to be written about Ballerina Farm.

I think people, I shall never let anyone in again, but I would love to see someone spend the day with her who has like a modicum of appreciation for half of the things that she does.

No, and I would, I would, you're right.

She's definitely scarred.

She'll never do another article, which sucks because this is probably one of the most interesting people in the world.

And what you had said yesterday and what this author wrote at the very top of the article was that like she said out the goal of her interview was to find out if ballerina farm's life was real or not.

Like what we were seeing online, is that real?

And you're a journalist who writes about social media and you think that someone's life on the internet is going to be the same as their life in real life.

That's the whole point.

Internet, the internet is not real.

Like that was your goal.

This is what she said.

Before I left to interview her, the main question I had from friends, family, and colleagues was whether it was all true.

One of the most watched people on the internet, her children looked chaotic and happy, homeschooled, and free-range.

How did she keep it all together?

How was she always so calm?

Was it really like that?

No, no, nobody's.

Even the picture that she painted in the first article is the same picture that I expect based on her social media.

Yeah.

Oh, and then we need to talk about egg apron, okay?

Okay, we talked about that this at Jizna.

Yeah, but we need to talk about on the toe.

So in tandem with the first article, this old Instagram story of Hannah's went viral.

And it was Daniel recording Hannah opening a box.

It was Hannah's birthday and she's like, this is my birthday present.

And he was like, yeah, open it, open it, open it.

And she's like, oh my God, these are the tickets to Greece I wanted.

I guess like everybody knew she wanted to go to Greece.

And she opens it up and it's this apron.

I guess it was like this joke apron that they had talked about once.

And it, it was this apron that had little knit crochet pockets for eggs.

So you could put like, you know, if you're picking eggs, you put them in whatever.

Picking eggs.

And people are like, this is indicative of everything.

You know, she wants to go to Greece.

He's a billionaire.

He owns an airline.

He obviously can take her there.

And he's keeping her home.

And he's keeping her home.

And to think that,

A,

everything about her birthday that day is boiled down to this one video and nothing else happened, no other gifts were received is absurd and really lacks any sort of media literacy.

Two,

these aren't two people who don't travel.

They just went to Europe, okay?

They were literally just in Europe.

Three, it's very common for people, and I think somebody like Ballerina, who lives this very rustic life, they're going to keep the more extravagant and luxurious billionaire-esque parts of their life offline.

Right.

One, because it always puts a target on your back whenever you're like sharing wealth on the internet.

And two, it's not congruent.

It's like him being a billionaire is like the one thing that's like not really congruous with the whole like trad wife lifestyle.

So it's just sort of this thing that like stays on the back burner to assume that that was the only gift that she got.

How the fuck do you you know that?

So many things.

There's so many ifs.

Like even if he got her a 50 inch flat screen TV, which isn't like, which anybody could, you know, go out and buy, but it's in, it's what we call off-brand.

Right.

How many times do you not post something, or I'll clean up the kitchen mom posting my sourdough because it's off-brand.

It's not a big conspiracy.

And I want to say another thing.

But the grand conclusions being made about this one 30-second video is absurd.

There's a chance that you're right, that that moment is indicative of their life and her birthday, and she wants this, and he's keeping her at home.

There's a chance of that.

There is also a chance that it's not that whatsoever.

And they're in Greece right now.

Or that, like, this is.

a joke.

This is a faggot between them.

She's the ballerina farm.

Look at her cool new apron.

Like, there's a reason why this video went on social media.

When you told me about the apron, I thought it was genius.

I also said to you that, you know, a flight to Greece is actually, that would be free for him.

That's not him going out and buying her something.

No, please.

And if they went to Greece.

They're not going out and calling dad.

If they went to Greece, everybody would be like, Where are the kids?

No, no.

And oh, of course, where are the kids who's watching the kids neglectful parenthood?

Oh, this is just so absurd.

People can't afford groceries and you're going to Greece.

These are two people who can't win.

And I am almost, I have no proof of this.

I know farmers can't go to Greece.

I know in my bones that there was another birthday gift, but the grand conclusions being made off of a 10-second video, you know, nothing about what actually happened on this person's birthday.

So to make, to extrapolate and make huge statements about something they chose to share with us is absurd.

And it really lacks a knowledge of how the internet works.

It's like, it's so frustrating to see people being so dumb.

When they went to Europe, did they bring all the kids?

I don't know.

I don't, I don't know, but I know that's a good idea.

But imagine Greece with eight kids and one of them is a baby.

Right.

And do you leave them at home, but they don't have a nanny?

And maybe like they would have family together.

I could also see like the Greece thing being a joke.

Like, yeah, I'm going to pick up and leave all the kids and go to Greece.

Like, I could see that being a joke.

Yeah.

Just

calm down.

Like, seriously, calm down.

I just, I do want to know like why she wrote this follow-up article because it feels like um it definitely lessens everything she said inferred in the first one why

it makes me feel like they might have had cause to sue i don't not saying that i know that or that anything i read but just and so she's backtracking a little if i was if i had cause to sue someone and this was their uh like attempt to make it right, like this wouldn't be enough for me.

Yeah.

I would want, I would demand a full retraction.

Yeah.

An apology.

Yeah.

So if they had, I don't, that's why I don't think they had their lawyers call up.

She was bribed.

Media companies get like, anytime an article comes out about someone, they threaten to sue.

And this is something media companies deal with all the time.

I don't think they get scared when an influencer's lawyer calls and not enough to write a second article.

I don't think that's what happened.

Yeah.

Agreed.

No, it's a whole different picture that she's painting here.

It's really, really weird.

It's weird.

I would love to know what happened.

But I'll take more ballerina farm content anytime.

We're not going to get it.

Or maybe the other one had such high clicks they wrote wrote something else, but why diverge from the narrative that they were painting?

And because the negative narrative is why there were clicks, yeah.

I'm sure it was like so many clicks.

It makes sense that she would write more with more stuff that they had, but it doesn't make sense why she would change her tune so much.

Yeah,

anyways, interesting.

That's what's going on with ballerina.

Damn, damn.

Are you ready for our next story?

A little Olympics news.

This will be your mini Olympics recap for the day.

The celebs, the stars are out in Paris.

And Sarah Jessica Parker and Jennifer Hudson have reunited 16 years after the Sex in the City movie.

Absolutely.

And just like that, they were together again.

SJP and Jennifer Hudson reunited 16 years after being in the Sex in the City movie together.

Jennifer Hudson posted an Instagram photo on Monday of her and SJP hugging in front of the Eiffel Tower during the Olympics.

She said, look who I ran into in Paris.

Carrie and Louise reunited at last.

Love is the thing, you know?

No, no, I'm obsessed.

Like, Jennifer Hudson's character as the, you know, very organized, sassy, in-love assistant on Sex in the City, the first movie, was one of the greatest casting decisions made by anyone ever.

And then like her voice was the voice

on track and the final song.

I'm gonna dressed up and live.

Obsessed beyond.

And there's so much funny like lore from her character.

Like

specifically about the Louis Vuitton bag that Carrie gifted her, which was so sweet because she was this girl working on a budget.

And she used to rent bags.

Yeah, she used to rent bags because she couldn't afford them.

And then when she left to get her wedding, Carrie got her a wedding gift of her very own Louis Vuitton bag.

And Carrie's like this fashionable queen.

We're like, oh my God, what did she get?

And she opens a bag.

It's one of the ugliest pieces of shit you've ever seen in your life.

Like, you actually could not pay me.

Yeah, even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes.

And who uttered those immortal words?

Lou Ann de La Saps.

It is so ugly.

And that has had like a resurgence in the years since the movie came out being like, this was so funny.

But like, why was the bag so ugly?

And obviously the comments are flooded with like comments about the bags because that's what people talk about now.

But I just love, I love that we're like talking about this.

I feel like so many people play iconic small roles that like people in culture love we're always talking about, but then the artists like, they don't even think about their time in that one movie or that one role.

They don't understand the impact.

I feel like Jennifer Hudson and Carrie like understood the impact.

Yeah, I also, it makes me wonder because I feel like that is such a beloved casting, a beloved moment.

And I feel like for the show and just like that, they're constantly trying to like

bring days of yore.

They bring back every former cast member and like try and make fetch happen.

Why wouldn't they bring back Louise from St.

Louis?

Maybe this is a

spoiler.

Okay.

How would it be?

So she moved back to St.

Louis.

She fell in love.

She had like big city dreams, but at the end of the day, like it was like, I think it was her high school sweetheart.

And that was more important than anything she was going to, it's kind of giving ballerina form.

Yeah.

Anything she was going to do in New York.

So she moves back to St.

Louis.

She has this big family and she ends up getting married.

How does her story end?

Like, just, does she have to be a little bit more?

She probably is still like a child.

Yeah.

She's still in St.

Louis.

Maybe that wants to be in fashion that would like intern

for Carrie.

That's really good.

So she calls her up and she's like, listen, I'm bringing the kid to New York.

We're going to do interviews.

We'd love to see you.

Like, see you for an internship interview.

No, no, I'd love to see you.

And then Carrie's like, wait, why don't?

Because Louise would never ask.

Right, right, right, right, right.

Wait, you know, what is Carrie up to this season?

Oh, she has a podcast.

She's canceled.

She's a young intern.

She does because she's really struggling with the media.

Yeah.

I love that.

And then, like, the intern, Jennifer Hudson's daughter, has Carrie like making TikToks.

Oh, my God.

It's actually like a really good plot.

Think about it.

Think about it.

I love these two.

Maybe now things are set into motion.

A girl can dream.

A girl can dream.

Jennifer Hudson's also very busy.

But she's also in her shows in LA.

Her shows in LA.

She is really busy, but she also, like, she works.

Like, if she gets a role, she gets booked.

She's there.

She's showing up on time.

Yeah.

She's not being like a diva extraordinaire.

She's getting the work done and she's lying back on the red eye.

Yeah.

She works hard.

She does.

I love this.

I really do.

Super cute.

I like forgot about these two.

If you were to ask me, do Jennifer Hudson and Carrie Bretchawn know each other?

I'd be like, okay, wait, do they?

It's not something that automatically comes to mind.

Yeah.

No, sweet.

That was the thing, you know?

The Olympics bringing people together.

Oh, true.

Her usual.

Oh, also, some more Olympics adjacent news that I just wanted to mention because Bella Hadid has spoken out about the Adidas controversy.

As you guys know, Adidas did their offensive

Olympics campaign with Bella Hadid, harking back to the 1972 Olympics, which were just so fabulous, apparently, except for the part where the Israeli wrestling team was murdered, taken hostage, mutilated, murdered,

kidnapped, and the like.

So since then, Adidas has taken down some of the imagery, apologized, said there was no intention.

I just, it must be, what world do you live in when you think of like the Munich Olympics?

And the first thing that you think of isn't that like, seriously, what a charmed life.

Yeah, it's so true.

Oh my God, it's so true.

So she put out a statement saying, for those of you that do not know my heart, I want to make sure you're hearing directly from me about my recent campaign with Adidas.

I would never knowingly engage with any art or work that is linked to a horrific tragedy of any kind.

In advance of the campaign's release, I had no knowledge of the historical connection to the atrocious events in 1972.

But she claims to be like an activist when it comes to Israel and Palestine.

Bella Hadid knows everything, right?

Bella Hadid is the smartest when it comes to history.

What happened at the 1972 where Palestinian terrorists literally broke into the hotel room of the Israelis Olympians and took some of them hostage, murdered.

But you know everything, right?

Like your Instagram is full of people.

That's like a big part of this story.

And the history.

So like when we're saying like there's context, there's context, like you don't even know something from 50 years ago.

So either she did know it and she's lying or she didn't know it.

And that should only prove everything you see on Bella Hadith's Instagram is moronic.

I don't know which one is more damaging.

I know.

Like they're both so terrible.

So she's claim to know everything.

You march all the time.

You're like you are the number one historian on the history of the region.

And you don't know about Munich.

And she's not a mouthpiece for the movement.

She probably has more followers than anyone else

getting so involved.

And you don't know about Munich.

She said, I am shocked, I'm upset, and I'm disappointed in the lack of sensitivity that went into this campaign.

Had I been made aware from the bottom of my heart, I would never have participated.

My team should have known, Adidas should have known, and I should have done more research so that I too would have known and understood and spoken up.

I think doing more research would be a really good thing for you to do

more of the time.

She said, as I always have and always will speak up for what I believe to be wrong.

While everyone's intentions were to make something positive and bring people together through art, the collective lack of understanding from all parties undermined the process.

I do not believe in hate in any form, including anti-Semitism.

That will never waver, and I stand by that statement to the fullest extent.

Connecting the liberation of the Palestinian people to an attack so tragic is something that hurts my heart.

Palestine is not synonymous with terrorism, and this campaign unintentionally highlighted an event that does not represent who we are.

I'm a proud Palestinian woman, and there is so much more to our culture than the things that have been equated over the past week.

She said, I will forever stand by my people of Palestine while continuing to advocate for a world free of anti-Semitism.

Anti-Semitism has no place in the liberation of the Palestinian people.

Let me just talk to you about this one sentence.

Yeah.

When you're talking about the liberation of the Palestinian people, and her quote is, you know, it's free Palestine until Palestine is free.

And so that means from the river to the sea, as we all know, the big nursery rhyme.

Palestine, right?

The river to the sea is the entirety of Israel.

So Palestine can't be free until there is no Israel.

To have no one Jewish country in the world is anti-Semitic.

So that statement,

anti-Semitism has no place in the liberation of the Palestinian people, is incongruous.

It's literally saying like, I'm a proud Nazi who stands against anti-Semitism.

Like it makes no sense.

I want to say something about like

her being a model on a campaign.

If this were an ordinary situation and a campaign went like kind of how like Kendall Jennifer Pepsi, I am never really inclined to blame the model.

Models notoriously have no say.

You know, they're just models.

They don't contribute to the creative.

They don't contribute to hair and makeup wardrobe.

They literally just do as they're told.

And I actually think in this case, like that is true for Bella Hadid.

I just think it's, you know, unfortunate for her that she has this really long history of being a polarizing figure in the Jewish community.

I think a lot of Jews really dislike Bella Hadid, us included.

And she has this really complicated history of saying really egregious, damaging, hateful, anti-Semitic.

Some of the worst shit I've ever seen comes from Bella Hadid.

Don't worry.

Hamas treats the hostages really well.

When they give them a birthday cake.

They made a birthday cake to taunt him that it was his birthday.

They didn't let him eat it.

But he posted, look how good Hamas treated the hostages.

Like Bella Hadid is a lightning rod for hate.

I hate.

Bella Hadid.

And I think she's an anti-Semite.

I think she's one of the most damaging people in this conversation.

She is the biggest platform.

She spreads the most lies, propaganda.

Like she will go down in history.

Like when we look at this in 100 years, she will go down in history as being a real catalyst for hate.

But this is such an interesting saga when it comes to Adidas because in situations like this, like the model is not a part of, it's just crazy.

So when we put out this statement, I feel like all of our ire was directed toward Adidas.

I feel like actually, and Bella Hadid's angry at Adidas and we're angry at Adidas.

And it's all really on Adidas.

They did the creative for this campaign.

I really didn't have my blood boiling in this instance for Bella Hadid until this statement, where she's literally so such a hateful person, but then says, I stand against hate.

It's like, just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Your statement is like inherently contradictory, unless you're talking about freeing Palestine from Hamas, which is what we all want.

But that's not what you're talking about.

That's not what you're talking about.

You're talking about

taking over.

Become a mouthpiece for Hamas, and you very slowly have started to justify rape and justify murder murder and justify the atrocities of October 7th.

So you're, you, you love hate, actually.

And I think that...

And then people will see the statement and be like, oh, Bel Hadid stands against Haiti and she's not an anti-Semitic.

Just because you like say that doesn't make it true.

And I want to say, I actually do believe Bella Hadid that she got booked for this gig and like didn't know at all what the

implications were and what it symbolized because I actually don't think she knows about the Munich Olympics.

And that's because she's dumb.

Yeah.

And that's because she's not a person we should be following or listening to when it comes to what's going on in the region.

I think she parades as this activist and this really

educated, knowledgeable person on the subject.

But this statement, she just admitted to knowing nothing.

So let's stop collectively giving her a platform.

Right.

Right.

And I just, I, I don't know how much more I can like talk about these things on the show because it's seriously upsetting.

And like this show, it's our show and we're keeping it fun.

But just wanted to let you know why this apology, like the rest, throw them in the garbage.

This one really made me very angry.

I will always stand for peace over violence.

Meanwhile, Hamas is perpetuating violence every single day.

You do not stand against it.

You're not calling for the release of the hostages.

You're not doing anything that promotes peace.

Bell Adid is hanging out with and taking pictures with people who actually go around New York City and beat up Jews.

Like for a fact.

Joey Borgen was beat up by a Jew who was in a picture with Bella Did the next day smiling.

Like she is not a reputable source when it comes to like information on this.

And I know it's really hard to actually find good information.

I'm sympathetic.

Bella Didid is not where you should be starting.

Let's just, let's say that.

Right.

So I'm like, I'm so done with her.

I can't.

Right.

And it's just like crazy how like really one of the most popular voices for anti-Semitism like in the world can just say, I stand against anti-Semitism.

I want a world free from anti-Semitism.

And then people are going to pick that up and applaud that.

Right.

And it's just, it couldn't be true.

You can say whatever you want.

Like the sky is purple, but at the end of the day, like we're telling you, your actions, your words, they're anti-Semitic.

They're hurting the Jewish people around the world.

No.

They're can like calling for the erasure of the state of Israel is inherently anti-Semitic.

That's the fact.

So now, now do with that what you will.

I will personally never forget when Bel Hadid went on a podcast and was like crying that, like, this was like two years ago, how, like, you know, most of her friends who are Jewish, like, won't speak to her anymore.

They're like, she's not allowed over to her house for Shabbat and how she's the victim.

And that.

It's like, okay, wait, all your Jewish friends won't see you or speak to you.

Do you ever want to ask why?

And then everybody was like, oh my God, look, all of Bella Hatin's friends, like, who are Jewish aren't friends with her anymore?

Because you're a fucking anti-Semite.

Like, it's not this big conspiracy.

You are the problem.

It took them long enough, though.

Literally.

You can never catch me being friends with Bella Hatin.

Not that anyone's asking.

Are you ready for our next story, which honestly is just as upsetting?

So

just stay upset.

Taylor Swift has spoken out as she is completely in shock over the UK mass stabbing as three little girls are dead and eight are injured.

So yesterday there was a terrible attack in the UK at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class.

Three little girls have been pronounced dead as of this morning.

Eight are injured.

She posted a statement saying the horror of yesterday's attack in Southport is washing over me continuously, and I'm just completely in shock.

The loss of life and innocence, and the horrendous trauma inflicted on everyone who was there, the families and first responders, these were just little kids at a dance class.

I'm at a complete loss for how to ever convey my sympathies to these families.

I don't know how, like,

oh my God.

First of all, the story itself is so horrible.

So horrible.

Like, some hooded animal man came into a dance class, like, you know, theme dance class, started stabbing the kids, and the adults, and the adults trying to protect the kids.

I think it was like a bloodbath.

Yeah.

Um, the eight injured are like critically injured.

At first, it was one dead, but then like two more didn't survive their injuries.

Like, it's just a horrible

story.

It's such a horrible story because you can't think of a place like more filled with love and joy than a Taylor Swift themed dance class for kids.

Like, truly monstrosity and I can only really imagine it obviously what comes to mind is Ariana Grande like very similar on a much bigger scale this place of celebration and joy and Ariana Grande concert you know really for kids becomes a place for such destruction I can't really imagine like how you deal with this as Taylor Swift.

Like all these people coming together to celebrate you ends up being, I really don't know how you cope with this.

Like it's, it's so horrible.

And I actually thought her statement was really well written and heartfelt.

And heartfelt.

And I think it was beautiful, but I, I don't know how you,

how you deal with this.

Honestly, it's, it's so

horrible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like

just horrible for the families.

I think it's just like a very quiet town that all of a sudden is turned upside down by this.

And I'm sure she'll do what she does.

Of course.

And I think the Swifties have already raised money and I'm sure there will be no like lack of

expense expense spared, but nothing could change what they witnessed, what they've gone through, the people that they've lost.

It's just really, really terrible and like senseless.

And I don't, they, I don't think they've shared who this person was and what they were trying to accomplish, but it's just, it's so, so upsetting.

It's devastating.

It's really, um, it's really terrible.

I like, there's just actually no words to like speak.

Right.

And I thought it was like amazing that she released a statement and I'm sure she'll go above and beyond and meet everyone.

But like, ooh, that's just got to be for her to like take that on.

I don't even know how you, how you like coexist with that.

Yeah.

Like with the guilt.

Yeah.

And of course she's not responsible, but you can't help but like beat yourself up.

Yeah.

And take that on.

And it's just, it's really, really, really sad.

Yeah.

Sad for everyone.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, switching gears to our fourth story, some family drama.

Oh my God.

The Cyrus family.

Like I have recently, like, I knew this was going on and like, I kind of didn't care.

Yeah.

But it has gotten so crazy.

And then when I found out that like there were rumors that Tish's husband used to date Noah, like then I was like, okay, let me pay attention.

Noah, I check in every once in a while.

It's super crazy.

Like I get the recap and then I come back a few weeks later.

But this headline really surprised me today because Tish is reunited with the Daily Mail calls her love rival daughter.

Stop.

That's really disgusting if it's not true.

But if it is true, it's also really disgusting.

She reunited with Noah for the first time in three years after claims that she stole her kinky husband, Dominic Purcell, from the youngest child.

This headline is so fucking twisted.

But Daily Mail did have the exclusive photos, which is why I'm reading their headline.

I just want to say, like, if it was completely not true, I feel like the Cyrus family would have said something to me like you guys are disgusting.

Like, where do you get these ideas?

No, there's something.

I don't know if it's like how, you know, maybe they just had spoken or Noah had a crush on him from TV or whatever.

Yeah.

There's something.

That to me is the only way I can make this digestible is that like, let's say, you know, during COVID, Noah and Tish like watch this show that they've never seen and they both became obsessed with him like following me on Instagram.

Like Noah loved him.

And then like Tish actually got an opportunity to like go on a date with him and ended up marrying him.

Like that's the only way it could be because it's giving the idea of you.

Right.

Her daughter in the book was obsessed with the Harry Styles character and then she ends up.

Fucking the Harry Styles character and the kid has a fucking breakdown when they like are spotted together with paparazzi.

And it's so weird.

It's like the the weirdest part of the book and the kid was 12 she was never gonna have a real relationship with harry styles but noah cyrus like is of age no i'm sorry i really can't go down this path it's like kind of gross but also so the two of them were seen together walking out of the encino financial center which is a financial an office that offers financial management and law advice.

They're just like walking out.

So clearly they're on speaking terms.

She like puts her hand on Noah's shoulder at some point.

I don't know what that means.

But then also you saw last week that this audio recording of Billy Ray Cyrus has come out.

He's going through a divorce from his new wife, Fire Rose.

She's like much younger than him.

And she must have released these recordings because the Daily Mail has them and they're clearly like between or it's like public information.

The Daily Mail is the one who got them, but maybe they got them from the fire.

Right, perhaps.

Anyway, somehow these audio recordings of like their fights have come out, and he is

awful.

I mean, there's so many layers to the audio recording.

Like, one, how he speaks to his wife.

Right.

Holy shit.

Yeah.

Two, he makes a comment about his daughter.

Yeah, he called her, like, everyone knows the quote, that devil's a skank.

Referring to my life.

He doesn't even call Tish by her name, the mother of his three children, wife of 30 years.

He just calls her a slut.

Oh, my God.

Okay, Billy Stewart.

Calm the fuck down.

Not to make it about me, but my childhood is ruined.

Yeah, no, that'll do it.

That'll do it, Billy Ray.

Are you okay?

No, seriously, so crazy.

No, this,

just when you think like the the Siders family drama, like, can't get any more twisted, Billy Ray's out here calling his daughter the devil skank.

Yeah.

Skank is such a crazy word to use, period.

About your daughter?

Devil?

Yeah, but I feel like maybe that's how like people from the South talk.

Oh, that devil don't know what he did.

He got the devil inside.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I don't know, the devil, I could see Billy Ray, like, kind of using that word, not always nefariously, like, oh, the devil went down to Georgia, you know?

Yay.

But that, everybody knows that devil's a skank.

Oh, my God.

Chill, bro.

That's literally your daughter.

Norder.

My God, that is so true.

But anyways, I don't know if this means like harmony between Noah and Tish.

Also, like Noah was teen Billy for a second.

Like maybe these recordings have made her come to the other side.

Maybe she just like went teen Billy because she had nowhere else to go and Tish was like, listen, we need to work this out.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You can't be with this man.

Like, I'll take you back.

And do you feel like them leaving this particular office building, they could have been spotted anywhere.

Coffee, like,

is them releasing these photos?

Like, look, we're going to a lawyer.

So, the way I saw it is like, I don't know.

I don't know if they're going to coffee yet, but like, you know, the paparazzi just don't sit outside the Encino Financial Center.

So, like, someone wanted us to see this.

Yeah, no, it's so important when it comes to paparazzi in this day and age is to really have media literacy.

Because if people like Beyonce, Mindy Kaling teaches anything, it's like you can be pregnant and nobody can see you.

Like, you can live a fully private life.

Even Haley Bieber said she would have been able to hide her pregnancy till the end.

And she's one of the most photographed people in the world.

So, knowing what we know about celebrity culture, it's important to inspect every single piece of paparazzi with a little bit of a critical eye and a, you know, a healthy amount of suspicion and doubt.

And I think they want us to see these photos.

So what about it?

Do they want us to see?

The fact that these two are together, the fact that they're leaving a lawyer's office, like what about it was important for them to share with us?

I'm taking from it the togetherness.

Unless it's like a TikTok of somebody who was just happened to be leaving that office financial center too, and they got a picture.

But if it's a long camera lens, paparazzi.

Yeah, it's like a, it's a TMZ.

In this day and age, you need to know like they wanted us to see that.

Yeah.

Unless it's, you know, same with like security camera footage, like Beyonce in the Elevator or most recently, who was a P.

Diddy?

Well, they didn't want us to see that.

Until they did.

It was released for a reason, you know?

Yeah.

But why

also not release it?

Like whoever released it was also the same person who did to not release it.

We need to have a healthy amount of, you know, criticism and suspicion and doubt when it comes to things like this being put out.

I sound so crazy right now, but it is true.

But the thing what I was going to say is it's impossible to know exactly what we're like supposed to know for sure, but that's why it's important just to ask questions.

Never stop asking why.

Unless you're being really fucking annoying.

Like maybe it's time to stop.

Yeah, so true.

But no, asking questions, like seriously, just not taking anything at face value immediately.

Maybe eventually it is face value.

Yes.

It is really sad though to see the dissolution of any family.

The Saturdays family in particular, I think a lot of people our age feel really connected connected to, Miley and Billy specifically.

And to see it get to a level this slow, every family has their own shit.

And when it airs out in public, it's always like really sad to see.

But to see it get to this level of calling your daughter a skank, potentially marrying someone who your daughter had a crush on, like when it gets to this level of like really like hedonistic and like scary,

I don't know.

It's like, that's too much.

I feel like for their part, they've tried to keep it private as much as possible because we really don't know a lot.

It's not like they're like, you know, Britney and Jamie Lynn, like writing Instagram captions about each other.

It's really, this is what has sort of like seeped out.

And that's really unfortunate.

We're getting scraped.

It's not like they are putting it on display.

We're getting scraps and we're like trying to put together full, you know, theories about what's really going on when they're giving us.

Every now and then someone's not giving us.

It's like, no, but every now and then someone will break.

Like Noah, the other, like a couple of months ago, which I feel like was my foray into the story, she posted something cryptic on social media in regards to what was going on with her mom.

Like, yeah.

And then also Fire Rose has been a big part of this now too fire rose being billy wait ray's ex-wife all's that to say like this recording was like not for the faint of heart did you listen to it yes i've just read quotes he sounds fucking crazy

like really nutty and like drunk uh yeah scary like so now that party now makes sense why miley but i also saw miley was just on a talk show she did a long form interview maybe it was with letterman or something okay oh yeah the um my netflix guest.

And I think she was talking about her dad.

And I think she made it clear that they don't talk, but she didn't go in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I mean, we should watch that.

Yeah, we should.

Even though I find David Letterman to be insufferable.

I know.

But like.

He lost me when he did the interview with Kim because I actually think that Netflix show is great.

He gets great guests and they're really good interviews.

But the one with Kim, where it was like the first time she really ever talked about her robbery at length,

I just found him to be so fucking annoying.

Yeah, he's really annoying.

And I don't think he's good at his job.

And I stand by the fact that like if David Letterman had to like try and get a show on the biggest show on NBC in this day and age, where like it wasn't just like if you just the pool of people who were getting chosen for like late night shows when David Letterman got chosen was like 11 people.

They were all like white straight men.

Now like the pool is much bigger and still only white straight men, but like other people get a chance.

I think if he had to like fight for his right to like get a show today, he would never be chosen.

Like if he had to start a podcast from his basement, like he would never rise to success.

The bar is much higher now and the pool of people who have successful platforms is much wider.

I don't think David Letterman has the talent.

Maybe back in the day, maybe.

I think now like the talent pool is too great when you look at who's killing it on all media platforms.

Yeah.

I like have a crazy hate for David Letterman.

I can't explain.

Anyone really with like enough talent and moxie can rise to success.

Right.

Back then, you had to be chosen and then you will have success.

But like, it's so true.

So getting chosen and what qualifies you.

It's a bunch of things that aren't as much about talent and moxie.

Yep.

No, it's so true.

If David Letterman had a microphone in a dream right now, like nobody would be listening to his podcast if he wasn't David Letterman already.

Like he could never build what people have built from nothing.

Yeah.

That's how I feel about David Letterman.

I think that's a fair assessment.

Thank you.

And now he just gets the best guests in the world.

So we actually don't want him to speak.

Correct.

Oh my God.

Like I was singing this the other day because Simone Biles has been doing so much

press for her Netflix documentary and then the Olympics, obviously.

And I need someone to ask Simone Biles about Stick It.

Like, as a successful gymnast, do you watch that movie?

You have to.

Did you watch that movie?

Did it inspire you?

Is it correct?

Like, is it?

Because everything I know about gymnastics, and I think a lot of girls my age who are obsessed with gymnastics are obsessed with it because of that movie.

Yeah.

What is the influence?

And what happened to the main actress from the movie?

She's on a series.

Good.

That's like, it's kind of, it's not Rizzolian Isles, but it's like the same same vibe where it goes on forever.

It goes on forever.

You make a shit ton of money and you're like kind of famous.

Great.

I love that for her.

Missy Peregrine.

Yes.

Rookie Blue.

Yes.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying?

And like FBI, FBI Most Wanted.

She is paying her bills and she's living comfortably.

I absolutely love that for her.

Me too.

Great.

Okay.

I feel like sometimes we like find people from old movies and it's like sad.

Yeah.

Like, where's Yancey?

Please, I don't want to talk about it.

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What is our fifth and final story?

Our fifth and final story.

Finally, some levity, okay?

Yeah.

Oh my God, no, today's episode was super heavy.

It's like, that's just the world that we live in.

No, and seriously, like we need to combat it.

Like, I can't.

I know, but like, we can't ignore.

I know, I know, I know, I know.

But, like, someone's just a message.

And we're just talking about a bunch of like nothing.

I'm depressed.

Yeah.

It's a depressing world.

It is sick.

But the good news is, is that Andy Cohen and the Real House Eyes of New Jersey are still talking nonsense.

And this story is like bothering me.

It's bothering me too.

Okay.

Andy Cohen confirms that the Real House Eyes of New Jersey is getting a reboot.

Says all fresh faces may be coming.

After weeks of speculation, Andy confirmed that Rahonj is getting a reboot.

He said, quote, have you heard that we're going to do big changes on the show?

He said to a viewer, a caller in his radio show who called complaining about the storylines.

He said, we are rebooting the show.

We're going to reboot it.

We're going to do something different.

Interrupting the woman who kept complaining, he said, we're going to see what we do.

We'll see.

I don't know.

Maybe just all fresh faces.

Okay, so since it's still a maybe, let me take the a moment to say, don't do this.

I agree.

And also, what's with the change in tune?

They've sort of been remarking all year long because a couple of months ago, they announced that the reunion was going to be like a little bit different this year because so many of the castmates literally will not be in the same room with each other, that they're going to do sort of a hybrid type of thing.

And this led people, it's, it really freaked people out.

They thought that it was indicative that the show was getting a reboot.

They were starting clean.

Everyone was getting fired.

And Andy has like said multiple times over the course of the last few months, like, this is not true.

He has maintained that stance being like, no, no, no, like we're changing things up a little bit, but that doesn't mean the show is being rebooted.

Like he has said those words.

And now it's like, we're thinking of rebooting the show.

Yeah, I feel like he's, he's, as you know, the girls of Vanner Prompros say, he's living in the comments too much.

And sometimes, like, as a producer, you should just like sit in a room, not listen to the fans who are always calling, take this one out, take that one out.

And you know what?

So often, we, myself included, have been wrong for that.

Yeah, it's so true.

Why don't you make the best executive decision for the show?

Like, you are the professional.

Like, you're the professional.

You make great television.

Stop listening to everyone who's just like, they can be turned in two seconds.

Remember how much everyone loved West?

Seven minutes of a reunion reunion and we didn't like him anymore.

You can make anyone like anyone.

Famous fiction.

Why don't you like just do the work that you are an expert in?

Yeah, no.

And stop leaving it to the fans who are just like consuming what you are putting out.

Right.

That's actually a really good point.

And I don't know if a reboot is the right answer.

I feel like you can take a look at Real House Size of Orange County and Real House Size of New York because they were both two shows.

On the brink.

On the brink.

They had had cast members on for 14 plus years.

It wasn't working anymore.

And they took two different routes.

With the OC, they did like a lot of changes, but the core group remained.

Like Tamara's still on.

They brought Heather Dubreaux back.

They brought a bunch of new ladies.

They went to the archives.

They went to the archives.

They went back.

Their future laid in the past.

But also in the front, they brought some new ladies.

Like they really made a lot of big changes without doing a complete reboot.

And even though we haven't watched.

I've actually been tempted to watch.

They also brought Taylor Armstrong, somebody from a different front.

I've been tempted to watch.

And like, I have it all recorded.

And one day I do hope to watch.

So it's something, and I think people are really enjoying it, and it's going well.

I don't know if it was like the ratings boost that they were hoping for.

I don't think it turned things around completely, but I think it definitely, you know, started an uptick.

Then you look at Real House Size of New York, where they did a complete reboot.

It was another franchise that needed, needed something.

And instead of doing what they did at RC, they tried something new where absolutely nobody from the old franchise was on and they started with a bunch of new faces.

And I think that one took a minute.

I think it did, you know, I don't think it matched Roni ratings completely, but I think it caused a bit of an uptick.

So they're both having success.

Not, it's not a perfect formula, either one of them.

I wouldn't say one is better than the other.

I would say they're both equally popular.

Oh, I would say as it stands right now, like Roni Reboot

is

a flop.

I think they're going to keep working it.

They're bringing in new faces.

And sometimes these things take time, but I don't think that it has like crashed through into the like.

I think the people who are watching it are like trying to make fetch happen and they're saying, like, this is decent,

but it's not taken over.

It's not missable.

Like, it's very missable.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't love that.

And I'm sure, like, if you watch the show, you're like, yeah, that's you watched it.

You're like, yeah, that's nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It wasn't giving like

reboot the show.

It's for the intention that it will be like season one of Roney the first time around.

That's why we're bringing all new fresh faces, not for like a more of the same or lesser than.

Yeah, it's Real Housewives is just at this inflection point.

And I think they have been for a while.

And I don't know.

I think they've done some really good things in terms of it's kind of scary to like get rid of an OG, right?

Because they're historic, they have huge followings, but I feel like they've done a really good job of keeping people on the network while maybe not in the roles that they had started out on when it comes to Ultimate Girls' Trip, when it comes to Peacock, these things that go viral, and you're keeping people on the page.

Bravo Ultimate Girls Trip, Traders, those shows major successes, major successes.

So, I feel like

I don't watch them, and I can't stop hearing about them.

I think they've done a really good job because they are at this point where reality TV, the landscape has changed a lot.

Bravo was at the forefront for many, many years.

Now, I feel like Netflix, these more competition shows, I think other

people are ahead of it.

And I do think like Bravo was responsible for making it so popular.

And now they've kind of been eclipsed by other people.

And it's changed.

It's been a long time.

And also there, we talk about this, like there is this inherent issue.

The shows are very formulaic, and you come on and you are there for a reason, whether you have nothing to lose or you have a lot to lose and a lot to gain.

And

we're not going to get that season one energy when everyone knows what you stand to gain if it all goes well.

So it's just kind of at this weird point in culture where this thing that they really invented has eclipsed them, right?

Other people are doing it better.

And I do think they're kind of killing it in some parts.

Traders was huge for them, correct?

Ultimate Girl Shrip, everything they're doing on Peacock is really working for them.

I think on the main network with these franchise shows, they are struggling.

And I think, you know, it was OC, then it was New York.

They're all sort of falling one by one.

And I think the more time goes on, they're going to try different things.

One of them might hit and they'll do it for other shows, but I don't think they have found the perfect formula for these shows rehabilitating shows that have stalled yeah and all of them either have stalled or are going to stall yeah even like beverly hills is probably the one that's had the least issues but it's still not what it was yeah and it hasn't been for a while And, you know, Vanderpump Rules was there too, but thank God for Scandinav.

When you think about Vanderpump Rules right before Scandinaval, that show was on the brink of being canceled.

Yeah, no, but they were also bringing on a new cast to look at the younger generation.

Then the Valley, I think, was a really inspired decision.

And it's going really well.

Yes.

So I think they're working through it.

I don't know what they're going to do with these big housewife franchises that are at this inflection point.

I don't know what the answer is.

But I also feel like, and I didn't watch this season of New Jersey just because of the time constraint on my part, but it's one of the few franchises that I've not missed a season of.

Like I really do enjoy it.

And my argument is that like it hasn't stalled.

It's

bad enough, especially now when we think about what we called Roney stall.

It wasn't, in hindsight, it wasn't that bad.

The problem with New Jersey is that the women hate each other so much.

That's the whole point of the show.

Right.

I don't agree.

I agree with you.

I don't agree that New Jersey is at this point.

Maybe the ratings aren't doing well, and that's the biggest indicator.

But I think when it comes to actual plot, and I've seen most of this season, I haven't seen the last couple of episodes while we've been here, but it's very good.

And I know something happened this week where Margaret like sent flowers and it really took like the internet by storm.

I don't agree that New Jersey is failing or flopping.

I don't think that they're, I think they're, they bring it in.

And the fact that these women literally can't attend a reunion is indicative of how good the show is.

Right.

So I'm not seeing what everybody else is seeing.

Right.

And just like, sometimes on the one hand, I'm like, if it's not that great, like maybe script it more, maybe edit it down.

Maybe make it crazy again.

And then when that happens, I'll be like, this is edited.

This is, but don't listen to me.

But it's entertaining.

Don't listen to me.

I'm talking about it.

I'm watching it.

It's entertaining.

Yeah.

It's entertaining.

That's what you want.

It's true.

It's definitely good.

It has been interesting to see, because this, I feel, sort of inflection point started like maybe a year or two ago.

I feel like it's been been really interesting to see the changes Bravo and Peacock has made, and they are killing it in some regards, but they haven't solved that core issue, which is the franchise, which with the Bravo, the Housewives franchise, which made the network what it is.

Yeah.

I don't know what they do, but I'm open to all ideas.

I don't think anything they've done yet with OC or New York has been revolutionary or has completely worked.

I think we need ballerina farm on the real housewives of Utah.

Just to make it, you know, that's what, that's the, the housewife everyone's talking about.

Maybe we need more trad wives.

That's what everyone's got, everyone in a tizzy.

Well, there is that new show on Hulu, The Secret Wives.

But that's about the swingers.

The Secret Lives of Mormon wives.

Oh, is it?

I think it's about that one scandal with like the swinging influencers.

Yeah.

But no, like, look, you want to have things that people are talking about, lightning rods in the culture.

It's true.

It used to be like, you know, fancy stay-at-home housewives.

Now it's the trad wife.

It's true.

They kind of have to get more on like theme with what's what people are talking about.

That's what people are talking about.

It's true.

But again, that's also fleeting.

So do you want to make decisions and stand by them?

Or you want to be at the whims of the audience?

Because I don't think that's going to get you very far.

We're a very fickle bunch.

And I'm myself included.

Don't listen to me.

I don't make television.

I'm not the expert.

No, but you do make amazing podcasts.

Right.

And so I just need amazing television to make amazing podcasts off of.

And we are, we're an ecosystem.

Yes, we are constantly just evolving.

And as my part of the ecosystem, like I leave it to them to be like, make the decisions.

Yeah.

Don't, I'm not your job.

I agree.

I do think Bravo has an issue where they either listen to the fans too much or not not at all.

And there has to be a very delicate balance about how the audience weighs in on big decisions at a network because, like you said,

we think what kind of they want us to think.

Like they give people good at it, bad at it.

So they're very much in charge of

the favoritism, if you will.

And either like something will happen and they won't listen to us at all.

And it's like, we've been begging you for years, or they'll just be so like finicky and do what the audience says after five minutes.

You have to weigh the

Q scores, if you will, lightly because we're thinking what you want us us to think about.

Q scores are a reflection of what you told us.

So, like, literally, you could do a whole season of Sandoval doing community service and just being going to therapy.

And please, no therapy.

Like, that's one of my least favorite tropes, but like

doing great things.

You could make us like him if you wanted to.

Saving the turtles.

Yeah.

The turts.

Jumping in front of like a bullet for an elderly woman.

If someone has a bad Q score, like you're in charge, you're able.

You have the power to make it go up.

Doesn't mean we need a new person who we might not like at all.

At least you know we're

at least you know we're invested in these villains.

Yeah.

Well, looking forward to see what they do there.

This is just sort of one of my, to me, the most interesting things that like it has is happening and has been happening for a while and like watching what they do.

Yeah.

And I'm happy for the traders and the ultimate girl strip because people love that.

And I'm happy for the reality stars.

Like

continued work.

Yeah.

Another life.

A couple hundred thousand Instagram followers.

Yep.

That's business.

It looks like fun too in a castle.

Totally.

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