Diddy, Huberman & Bob Dylan: Tuesday, March 26th, 2024

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the shows and happy Chews Day.

And speaking of choose,

no, it's Jews Day.

And speaking of Jews, I'm joined by a very proud one.

Hello, Jacqueline Foley.

Thank you so much for joining the show today.

It's a pleasure and an honor to be here, per choose old.

Oh, okay.

Not the pun.

Not the pun.

Not the slut strands, Jackie.

You look like a big slut today.

I feel uncomfortable, not because of being slutty.

I feel uncomfortable.

I feel like they don't look right and they're bothering me.

I'm actually going to put them behind my ears.

If you could bear with me.

Oh, so we're kind of going from a slutty podcast to a more traditional one.

Jackie's putting her slut strands away.

She's taking back, you know, her life of sin and she's moving forward in Christ.

I love that.

No, it was just tune in my face.

I can't live like that.

I need a clean workspace to do my thing.

No distractions.

I'm going to do thing.

Bang, bang.

That was such a crazy song.

Why?

That album was actually extremely good.

Yeah.

What is the song that opens the movie Trainwreck?

I know it's from the Bangers album.

Yes.

Is it not Do My Thang?

Is it?

No, it's...

No.

I need to look at the name of the songs.

I'll know it when I see it.

It was such a perfect random, like,

whoever did the soundtrack, like, knew what the fuck they were doing, you know it's I think you're right I think it was do my thing it was I think it was confirmed okay great great little trivia for the morning speaking of pop culture you're looking like Kate Middleton today in your sweater

I am looking like Kate Middleton today with my sweater and don't forget my gorgeous luscious locks

Of course, the locks.

You know what?

But the sweater is so, as they say, Kate Middleton.

Coded.

Wait, something they didn't even really talk about is like a really sad side effect for anyone of chemotherapy is losing your hair.

And Kate is really like known for her hair.

It's like famous, her famous blowout.

If that is a reality, that's so sad, you know?

Yeah.

Just something I wanted to mention.

Thank you for mentioning that.

Thanks for making the show sad.

Sorry.

Back to me looking like Kate Middleton.

Yeah, it's Kate Middleton via Amazon.

It's Kate Middleton if you ordered her through Wish, you know?

It's giving Timu Kate Middleton.

It's Fate Fiddleton.

It's Fate Fiddleton, but it doesn't mean it's not cute.

No,

you're the one who was denigrating it.

Oh, yeah, that's my thing.

Oh, you have to compliment me.

I have to self-sabotage.

Say something nice about me.

I just did that you look like cute mimic.

Better, but like say something else.

Yeah, like just compliment something about me.

Oh, actually, having a hard time.

Okay.

Like, I feel like I captured all the, like, okay, your hair looks so wonderful.

Thanks, it's a wig.

Like, I always have to sort of

insult myself whilst accepting a compliment.

You can't accept a compliment.

No, and it's like, okay, someone says, I love your shirt.

I'll literally be like

it was a dollar

so

yeah

this is the right thing to say just thank you oh my god thank you so much i love your sweatshirt too no no no you don't have to say another you don't always have to deflect are you wearing my sweatshirt

i am wearing your sweatshirt you it was a compliment you little liar because remember you left it in my closet and i said this belongs to you yeah you did and you were like okay

then you never took it well enjoy

But here's the thing about accepting a compliment.

I feel like even what you just said, you're still deflecting by giving someone a compliment back.

Like, just sit with it, accept the compliment.

And then I had to immediately change the subject, like back to your sweatshirt.

Like, let's try one more time.

And this is like an exposure therapy, very Huberman of us.

Tell me you like something about me.

I like your sweater.

Thank you so much.

What about, I like it too, you know?

Thank you so much.

It's really comfortable.

Yeah.

Okay, that's good.

Yeah.

I think that's what you're supposed to do.

So today's show, I'm so excited for.

I think you and I both really did our research on today's episode because it's almost like this happens to us all the time, where somebody whom like is very popular in culture, but we don't really like know much about them.

The second we start talking about them, there's an article being written about them.

It's almost like we're kind of like radioactive in that sense.

But

that happened yesterday.

Huberman, who's kind of been like a major topic of conversation here at the toast, we've been implementing a lot of his wellness and self-help.

Literally not at all.

We take a sip of water and say Huberman sent us.

I don't know.

I took Romeo out today, and right when I woke up, and I got my vitamin D, and I'm feeling Huberman-esque.

Right, but it's like you still had to take your dog out.

Yeah, no, no, no, but we've just been talking about him a lot recently, and the sort of,

I don't even know what to call it.

It was a cover story in the New York magazine.

It was hit piece.

Yeah, but it was

like moronic.

Expose.

Yeah, sure.

Expose on Huberman in the New York magazine.

Jackie and I both read it.

Everyone's talking about it.

And I cannot wait to dive in.

I screenshotted some of of my favorite parts because they were

so dumb.

And I just like, I want everyone to know, and I'm sure you all could have guessed this, hashtag, I stand with human.

Yeah.

I did need to read it just to make sure I still stand with human.

Because he wasn't a piece of something like egregious.

Yeah.

Sometimes I see a hit piece and it's my reflex to want to defend the person just because that's the way things go.

And so often it's a mountain out of a molehill and people are just being crucified.

Every now and then, there are like legitimate accusations, so you don't want to just like blindly defend.

Right.

So, I do need to like see the accusations

to be able to speak on them and say comfortably, I stand with Huberman.

And, like, I wasn't even somebody who, like, we talked about Huberman a lot.

I swear, like, I had no idea anything about he was a real scientist.

I didn't know he stands for Huber professor.

I just know he's like a girly with a podcast that talks about wellness.

Who does it?

I thought it was seriously like he was an influencer.

I had no idea of his accolades.

And I'm sure this wasn't the point of the article.

I'm a Huber stan.

Like, I find his whole thing very impressive.

He's a fucking freak.

But like, and I was thinking about this yesterday.

I feel like it's really common for sort of mainstream media to do big hit pieces, never on someone who's like a media darling.

It's always someone who's sort of like alternative,

fringe, free thinker.

And I don't know what the point of these articles are.

Is it to silence that person?

Because I find more often than not,

they become bigger than ever.

Like this article, for me, like I never even heard of Huberman.

I never even felt compelled once in my life to listen to a podcast episode of his.

I'm so not the target demo.

But now, I don't know.

I'm like, oh, he's a fucking freak.

Yeah, now I'm like, what is he saying about coffee before you wake up?

But whatever that means they should go listen.

Are so

ubiquitous.

Like they become ubiquitous.

People just die for them.

I'm intrigued.

So I don't know what the point of these articles are, but I feel like they're having the adverse effect.

I feel like it's mainstream's media, media, mainstream media's way of like silencing someone who's kind of out there, but in turn.

Like someone who has a platform and is maybe using it, not in the way that they want to see them using it.

And so

I find that it just has the opposite effect.

I think now people are so attuned to it that even obviously for us, we're hardened.

So we read it like with a critical lens, but even when I was seeing some of the reactions from this article, like I think it is having the opposite effect for most people where it's like,

oh, well, isn't for me.

Yeah, right.

That's just like the nature of life.

Like, you can't just cancel everyone.

And so, at first, I think, like, if you got canceled like in the late 2010s, like, it had a major, major impact.

And ever since then, it's just sort of like a rite of passage for anyone with a platform.

It doesn't really have the fallout that it's like, it's a rite of passage.

And honestly, if you haven't had even like a small scandal, you're kind of a nobody, seriously.

Yeah.

And it's crazy what they even got of Huberman.

They went so far deep into his personal life.

You know what it was reminding me of?

I hope that we're on the same page.

I'm going to say it in 3-2-1, but you think first.

I'm not going to say it.

No, but I want you to say it.

I can't think that wide spanning.

Tell me what it reminds you of if I'll tell you if I had that feeling.

I'll be honest.

It reminded me of the article about Gary.

The Belcher.

No, it did not.

It did not remind me of that.

That one must be more innocuous, but.

And if you want to dig so deep into someone, you will find like loser behavior

behavior about anyone.

And then to make that like the grand sweeping thesis is like his private and his public, there's such a disparity.

Oh, wait, I don't trust.

Can we trust what he's saying?

I'm glad you brought up the grand thesis because I literally screenshotted the last paragraph of the article.

It was like the girl did all this dumb research and she like didn't know how to land the plane.

Yeah, she didn't know how to learn.

She made it about like female friendship.

It was so stupid.

Like.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know what?

Let's sidebar that because what's actually crazy is that that's not even the biggest story of the day.

Is the biggest story of the day the bridge?

No.

Maybe let's just talk about that really quick.

Horrible.

Like, I woke up.

I'm sending so much love to our Baltimore toasters.

Like, how scary that video is.

That was so scary.

That video is so scary.

They're still doing the search and rescue mission.

I feel like there's still six people missing.

That's seven.

I feel like that's.

Everyone's worst nightmare when they're going over a bridge.

And it feels like this just sort of like far off thing that's never going to happen, but it's like this crazy thing we all think.

And it's people's like actual worst nightmare coming to fruition.

It is so scary.

I don't know who to be angry at.

Like, what the fuck happened with the boat?

And did he back into it?

No, it was the front.

And to me, in the video, it looked a little bit like a backing in.

I've seen pictures of the wreck-it-like, you could see aerial pictures from daytime now.

You could see if it was the front of the bridge.

And thank God it wasn't like 7 a.m.

rush hour.

It was dark out, so I think there could have been way more people on the bridge.

But there was also construction workers.

Like, oh my God, horrible.

Yeah.

Well, I think we'll have answers soon as to what happened.

But it appears as though, like, the power went out on the cargo ship.

But then also, I guess I never really thought, like, there are cargo ships going under bridges that we drive on.

I don't love that.

I didn't know that.

I've never seen a cargo ship under like the 59th Street Bridge or the

59th Manhattan Bridge or like any of the Manhattan Bridges.

The GW.

That's just Manhattan.

But the world needs to operate.

Like ports are like ports and bodies of water need a.

I just didn't know that.

Am I the only one?

I never thought about it.

So wait, what was the big story you're teasing?

P.

Diddy.

Oh, right, right, right.

Yes, yes, yes.

That's a big story.

It is a big story.

And I was talking to you about this this morning.

It's really hard not to keep falling into conspiracy theory traps about P.

Diddy.

There's so much misinformation on Twitter, like on all social media.

I cannot figure out what is real and what is fake.

Because people are making jokes, people are making AI.

I don't even want to see, say, misinformation because it's just like theories.

And I feel like whenever you talk about sex trafficking and then like a wider range,

it could, it definitely is bigger than some of the facts that we know right now.

But then people just start to like theorize and start pulling from a million different things.

And not all of it is true.

I would say most of it is probably not, but it's just like theories.

And it's like, wait, so what's true?

What's fact right now?

And what's just being theorized about?

Right.

And it reminds, it's reminding me a lot of Epstein where like so many celebrities' names were in the Epstein docs.

And I would say half of them were completely, um, innocently in there.

They had no correlation to Epstein, Epstein Island, pedophilia.

And now it's like names are floating.

And I just saw a thing in page six about Prince Harry being in some of the documents.

Yeah, one.

He was mentioned once, and we'll talk about it in the story just to sort of say what's being said.

It is mostly like nothing burger-ish, but I'm sure he's

having a hard day.

I'm not just freaking out.

A good week for Prince Harry.

No,

no.

So, juicy stories for a Tuesday, you know, we're going up on a Tuesday.

Yeah, it's always the Tuesday.

You never see it coming.

It's almost like we've been choosing.

We didn't choose this Tuesday.

We didn't choose this life, Jackie.

It choosed us.

That's true.

That is true.

Okay, let's get into it because there's a lot to discuss.

Yeah.

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Oh, before we dive in, I did have a brief update on the 5K.

Okay.

I think I'm going to, I think I, I think I'm going to be able to swing it.

Like, I, I have to.

What changed?

Well, I was just sitting here thinking, like, I literally have a running appointment today.

I'm like, I did put in all this work.

What's holding me back?

First, it's Sitch's birthday.

I did get approval from the one and only Snitch

to miss it.

She honestly was hoping her, she would be a little bit more upset.

She didn't seem that upset.

She also, I think, knows if I miss it, like, I'll have to get her a birthday, better birthday present.

So I think, you know, it's a win-win for everyone.

So she was okay with it.

Then I asked Ben if he would run it with me because I'm not running it alone.

Of course.

He said yes.

And I also invited Josh to run it with me.

Did he answer me?

Oh, he said, I'm obviously in pub.

I'll sign us all.

Yeah, I mean, you ditched me.

Like, Like, we've been training for this.

I could say you ditched me.

Went over to the good guys.

Didn't even bat an eyelash.

I think we're going to have to call ourselves the good guys and dolls

after everything they've done to us.

Why don't you just be happy that I'm not running this 5k alone like a loser, okay?

I never thought you were running it alone.

I never was going to.

So

that'll be fun, no?

Yeah.

I was like kind of looking forward to not having to train anymore.

No, the training is fun.

I feel like even if nothing came of it, like it was was just a good thing that we were doing.

And we got so much shtick.

And I am, I'm going to do it.

Like I'm signing up.

I'm going to tell, you know, the peeps that I'm like, count me in, plus two.

Okay.

I'm happy for you.

Keep me posted.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, let's get into the stories.

First up, Diddy's LA and Miami homes were raided by the feds in connection with sex trafficking investigation yesterday.

So Sean Diddy Combs's homes in LA and Miami were raided by Homeland Security on Monday in possible connection with an ongoing sex trafficking investigation.

Federal law enforcement agents were seen arriving to the rappers' properties with guns drawn in the lavish Homeby Hills neighborhood of LA and in Miami, as seen in video obtained by Fox 11.

In another video captured by TMZ, federal agents could be seen swarming his California property while multiple helicopters hovered from above.

A few people were taken out in handcuffs, including one of his sons.

The other people's names have yet to be officially revealed.

Along with, with at the time, Diddy's whereabouts were unknown, but he was spotted yesterday at an executive airport in Miami.

There also was then rumors that like his jet, which, you know, as we were talking about recently in regards to Taylor Swift, that his jet can be tracked and they say he's fleeing the country, but there's no proof of that.

So there was, I think he has two planes.

One of them landed in Miami yesterday with him and another one was flying like from LA to the Caribbean.

Which is definitely weird.

Like what was on that plane?

Documents, people, et cetera, et cetera.

i don't think he would leave the country while his son is in custody um now of course what does this remind you of

i know you're gonna say jake paul but it doesn't it reminds me of jake paul because we had aerial footage of was it homeland security or like the feds the fbi the fbi raiding his house guns people coming out and it was the craziest thing of all time and the way nothing happened after that like he basically got swatted as a prank you know they do that what the hell was the sort of wrap-up there?

Nothing.

I don't know.

Today, I don't care because we're talking about this.

No, but I'm just saying.

And there are allegations connected to this from Cassie that we had spoken about a few weeks ago.

Also,

Lil Rod.

I need to find his name.

His name is like Rodney.

He's

the

like the one leveling charges against Diddy.

He had worked with him and there's a lot of different charges related.

So there is like, there are stories here and charges and

there's information here.

It's all related to sex trafficking charges, like sexual harassment, the physical abuse that Cassie had detailed.

And then this person, Rodney, he was a producer with Diddy, has like a whole trove of sordid tales.

Yeah, and there have been like people.

In the last like month, there's been a lot of news coming out about Diddy and people have been like 50 Cent has been posting about it nonstop on his Instagram.

Like, people in the industry sort of been like hinting at something major to come and like this big sort of, you know, uh, network of, you know, whatever.

And it feels like we might be on the precipice of like what we thought was going to happen with Epstein.

Remember, like the list, the list.

And that never happened.

Nobody's saying for their supper.

He, you know, killed himself in prison or whatever.

And she, oh my God, I'm sorry.

I keep going on tangents.

The craziest part of this movie that I saw.

I'm sorry.

I know I keep going back to it.

The

okay.

The movie that I saw over the weekend, which is about Nicholas Winton, the guy who saved over 600 Jewish lives, the Ghelaine Maxwell of it all.

Her father, which we, who we all know, who is Ghalain Maxwell, she's like this heiress.

He's like, kind of like a Rupert Murdoch, big media.

Him and his wife were the ones who discovered Nicholas Winton and his scrapbook and made the story what it was.

When they said Robert Maxwell, I was like, Ben, do you know who that is?

Like, he didn't appreciate it.

The Ghalain Maxwell of it all, totally random.

Sorry.

Now back back to what I was saying.

Is that insane?

That's nice.

Yeah.

Like, you know,

they said when Jeffrey Epstein, the Epstein Island, we were finally going to find out who all the pedophiles in Hollywood were.

That never happened, but it does sound like it feels also like this diddy thing is going to like crack open this big sort of ring of abuse.

Yeah, but we don't know.

I hope that it would, but I don't think that it will.

I feel like if Ghillaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein could be tried and for Ghelane convicted of sex trafficking trafficking and not one person, one client revealed

how you can charge someone with that without actually like having the people who did it.

And this, to me, this feels like even a smaller version of it.

I don't think it's going to go past Diddy.

I really don't.

But I do think that the

client list, I feel like

it's more protected than this.

It's like a political class.

It's not famous people.

It was like, I feel like the one person who really came out, we knew he was a pedophile, two, actually.

Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton.

Like literally, those aren't celebrities.

Those are like former presidents, a prince.

Those are people who actually are a protected class.

I think they're like the almighty.

When people talk about like, you know,

they, like, it's those types of people, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

Whereas I feel like if there's anyone connected to this sort of human trafficking abuse ring that I feel like is going to come out with Diddy, it's more so celebrities who are definitely, you know, privileged and, you know, get special treatment, but not like a protected class completely.

And I feel like often the law tries to make an example out of celebrities.

Maybe, but I think that

like Diddy

is on that level of like global elites where, yes, some of them are politicians or like dignitaries, but there are a few really big name celebrities in there.

And I think,

I just, I don't know.

If it didn't happen with Epstein and the island, the seizure of the island and the logs, they have everything.

And the documentaries.

I don't know what more is going to happen here.

I feel like it's just going to be about Diddy and the work, like what he did and the toxic work culture that he fostered.

I don't think it's going to go into like global sex trafficking ring scale.

I don't think this is the one.

Damn.

I'm just like waiting for that.

Anyone else?

Yeah, everyone is.

Okay.

Everyone is.

Like these are really, and I feel like people have not dropped the torch on like Epstein.

Every Epstein did not kill himself.

Like, what the hell is going on?

What happened?

What are the names?

Like, where are the convictions?

But, like,

these are very powerful people.

No, it's true.

And it's like, how do we know that Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton like went to the island and were pedophilic?

And like, why aren't they going to be a child?

And there's not a charge.

Yeah, like, it's not a charge.

No, the Epstein thing, like, everybody, well, not everybody.

Like the commoners, we did not drop the ball.

The government, whoever was in charge, the attorney general, whatever, dropped the ball.

Yeah.

No, the plane going to the Caribbean is weird.

It is weird.

It's giving Greg Cayman, you know?

Yeah, it's giving extradition.

Extradition.

So this is clearly a developing story.

It's a developing story.

Yeah, it is a developing story.

And TBD, if it has more to do with this global sex trafficking ring, or if it's more so about like Diddy's world that he's cultivated with Cassie and Rodney and just like a really

and if you read some of the allegations of like you know

like sex

sexual abuse counseling

and also

human trafficking like forcing people to have sex with other people the other thing is like sometimes these charges can be confusing because you're right it's either like diddy's a freak and has this like weird past or it's like this ring of you know abusers um

and sometimes like when you

take someone across state lines, like that's considered trafficking.

Yeah, yeah.

It's confusing what the charges actually mean.

No, what to what degree?

Because trafficking is trafficking and making someone do something against their will and holding them prisoner.

Like that's human trafficking.

But it's like, how big is it?

Right.

When I think human trafficking, I think what we all think, which is like this sort of underground system.

Yeah.

Big network.

Big network.

So I don't know, but when I, you know, I feel like we all, especially if you're really into pop culture, like it's so easy to like end up down rabbit holes, blind items, like over the years.

And you really do feel like Hollywood is this ring of pedophiles.

Like that's just kind of so easy to get there.

And there's proof.

Like there really is.

And things like this, like really you're like the inner, you know.

Blind item girl in me is like, oh, this is it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The dominoes are falling into place.

And I never would have thought that like Diddy was at the helm of it I don't know who I would have thought was

I have some idea yeah like I feel like from the

blinds like we all took we were in that we were in that compliance meeting in 2017 so like we can't say but like there are some big names that are just can you text me who you think it would be yeah I feel like who I think is not who you're

who would be top of mind for you.

Yeah.

I feel like he really gets away unscathed.

I feel like, okay, let me see who Jackie's saying.

But then there, okay, this is the name that I think of.

Oh my God, that's what I was going to say because we think of the same blind item, this terrible story, right?

Okay, yes.

But then here's another name that people always throw around, but he wasn't so much in the blind.

So for me, I don't feel as connected to it.

But people really think this is the one.

Oh, yeah.

By the way, he's the one.

You think?

Hold on.

Sorry that this is annoying, but we can't just like be slinging names.

No, and I would also love, is it slanderous?

Oh, really?

She's

yes, yes.

So

is it slanderous to what?

Like, ask people to sound off in the comments, like, who they think of.

I feel like it's

not.

Right?

I don't think it is.

Okay, here's the thing.

Like, when you think of like this sort of like underground devil demonic, like when you go down that conspiracy, what celebrities do you like come to mind for you to be being at the helm of this ring of pedophilia and human trafficking?

Yeah, yeah.

And then there are some that are more known and not celebrities, though.

From our text, like I feel like that's you know, for the close friends.

Like, I think this one is really the linchpin, what I just sent you.

What does lynchpin mean?

Like,

of course.

If it's a pyramid, it's number top of the pyramid.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, he started.

But look, wait, look, I wrote one more thing.

It always is.

It always is.

They always are.

They always are.

Sorry, that was annoying of us, but like for my own health, I need to get a lot of fun.

We need to get on the same page.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess we could have the conversation and like cut it out, but why make more work for ourselves?

Right.

But also, so either like we've just read the same blinds, which is true.

Or we all just think the same things and we all have seen the same things.

And like, is it possible?

And I just have to ask this question, like the devil's advocate.

Is it possible that like this sort of theory we all have about Hollywood and the elites, like that that it's like fake?

No, because then things like quiet on set come out and we feel like vindicated.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, I think not fake.

I think there's a degree of truth through it, but it's just like to what degree is it true?

Yeah.

How, what percentage of Hollywood.

Is it worse than we thought or is it smaller?

Yeah.

That's what I think.

Okay.

Okay.

So we will keep you abreast.

We're not going to let this story dodge.

Yes, we will.

Oh, and as it regards Prince Harry was mentioned in the filing

because the producer, Lil Rodd, Rodney Jones, said in court documents that guests were drawn to Diddy's alleged sex trafficking parties due to the rappers, quote, access to celebrities such as famous athletes, political figures, artists, musicians, and international dignitaries like British Royal Prince Harry.

Okay.

No one else was named in that sentence.

So like that's kind of rude.

It's really unfortunate, but I get what he was trying to say.

Like these weren't just, it's kind of what we we were saying before.

These weren't just parties with like Hillary Duff, you know?

It's another level of beyond celebrity, even super aloe celebrities.

It's up there with the powerful people.

Yes, yes.

And it's unfortunate.

And people were attracted to those parties for those reasons.

It's unfortunate, but I do feel like it's a perfect example.

I think it makes, you know, I understood what Rodney was saying, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

So sorry for Harry, but I think it was a necessary example.

Yeah.

And by the way, if Harry was at a party, which by the way, being at a party is not a crime, unless it's like the theme is human trafficking.

Like, what are we dressing as?

But right.

No.

Also, a lot of celebrities are at parties.

And that's where we get these pictures where it's like a nefarious actor with a celebrity.

And of course, maybe the celebrity is nefarious as well, but maybe they're just not and they're just there being a dumb celebrity at a party.

That's why

all those pictures, like right at the height of Epstein, it was so easy to get like

bogged down by like conspiracy theories because all these pictures of Ghelene Maxwell with every single celebrity, like these Getty images.

And it was just, that's how these moronic parties work.

And if Ghalain is like a rich woman, so she's a host of this party and it's benefiting a charity, every celebrity's got to take a picture with Ghalain.

So it was really unfortunate for a lot of people who were probably innocent having pictures with Ghalain all over the internet.

Like that sucks.

Yeah.

Well, our next story, someone else who's the talk of the town today, Andrew Huberman.

As we said, a New York magazine article called Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control, the Private and Public Seductions of the World's Biggest Pop Neuroscientist dropped yesterday.

And it was a deep dive into Mr.

Huberman himself, what he practices and what he preaches, and the disparity between the two.

Did you, I, up until the middle, thought that this was a

piece that Huberman like sat for and it wasn't until she said what his rep

his rep had responded to some charges.

I thought it was just crazy that there was this big piece and I thought he sat for that portrait that was on the cover.

Anybody else?

No, that's his artwork that has just been distorted.

But the vibe I got, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think this reporter started as a big fan of Huberman

and was listening to episodes and became really interested in Huberman and then wanted to write an article about him and started digging into him and found this thread that she then went off on.

Okay, so I feel like at the beginning, I thought that might have been it too, but no, I think that this group of five women, it ends up being about these five women who all connected because they realized at the same time they were in quote unquote monogamous relationships with Andrew Huberman.

They were all having unprotected sex with him.

And now they're like best friends.

Female Friendship wins the Barbie movie, essentially.

And I feel like they took their story to someone.

And then this woman sort of backtracked and wrote this whole article from beginning to end.

But the whole point of the article was these five women.

The last three paragraphs were literally like

female friendship runs through the invisible string.

They're best friends.

They have this group chat.

There's a hundred messages a day.

They're going to meet in real life and do getaways together, Camp Toast.

Like, I felt like

they had this story.

They knew this sort of salacious thing about a very famous, famous person, and they took it to a journalist and she wrote an article about it.

That's how I felt.

Okay, but the journalist is also saying that at one point she listened to the podcast and has been implementing Huber tips into her everyday life.

It's the biggest podcast in the world.

That's not shocking to me that someone who works in media would have listened to it.

Yeah.

So, and then she like, I think she got this story and she made it personal, like a good journalist would, you know?

Yeah, so here's the tale that she is telling.

She talks about Huberman, the story that he sells, and then what's really going on with him.

Here's one paragraph that seems to sum up what she's trying to say.

She said, quote, Huberman sells a dream of control down to the cellular level, but something has gone wrong.

In the midst of immense fame, a chasm has opened between the podcaster preaching dopaminerge restraint and a man with newfound wealth with access to a world unseen by most professors.

The problem with a man always working on himself is that he may also be working on you.

So at first when I read the article, I was like, oh, that's actually kind of an interesting

take.

Like, and I feel like we talked about this with Jay Shetty, like when your whole thing is minimalism and self-peace and shit like that, but then you're

moderating, officiating J-Lo and Ben Affleck's wedding.

How does that sort of monk lifestyle of nothingness and the celebrity lifestyle of everythingness, how do you, you know, merge the two?

So at first I thought, I'm like, you know what, that's kind of like an interesting take.

But then it became very clear that it was just about this woman, Sarah.

And I had screenshotted a few things.

So basically, Sarah was sort of the major player out of these five women who he was seeing at the same time and having unprotected sex with.

That was kind of his biggest crime.

I think the article tried to make it seem like, you know, you know, being a cheater isn't, you know, the most ethical thing, but it's not a crime.

But having unprotected sex with women who trust you

is definitely an ethical gray area.

It's not, it's not the right thing to do.

Yeah, it's just really crazy that I'm reading about Huberman's condom usage in New York magazine.

Like,

it's, it's something about, to me, it's like, this is not my plate.

This is not my business.

But it became abundantly clear to me that like there, there was a lot of stretching and reaching going on in this article when I read this slide.

Sarah's relationship with Andrew began in February 2018 in the Bay Area, where they both lived.

He messaged her on Instagram and said he owned a home in Piedmont, a wealthy city separate from Oakland.

That turned out not to be precisely true.

He lived off of Piedmont Avenue, which was in Oakland.

Okay, that reminded me of Gary.

Remember they said Gary didn't live in Ohio.

He lived in Cleveland or whatever.

Like,

okay, by the way, people lie about where they live all the time.

Like, you live a little close to the Upper East Side.

You're like, I live on the Upper East Side.

Oh, my God.

Literally, I live five blocks away from the Upper east side i'm on the upper east side that's he wasn't on the upper east side after all and the lies didn't stop him he was lennox hill like it's not a big deal to like sort of

fudge the area that you live in because everybody's always gonna say they live in the nicer part of town like

Yeah, no, so that's like what kicks off his string of lies.

And the next nefarious act that he does is he's flaky.

So Huberman is a flake.

No, it's clear that he's like one of these all-powerful men.

Like almost, um i feel like when you're nerdy i feel like you can go a couple of ways and when you get really famous for being nerdy like i feel like i could totally see you becoming a fucking monster like who doesn't honor time commitments and who's rude and

there was a lot about his flakiness but a lot about his dog Oh, yeah.

But you know what?

It was reminding me of this article.

It was reminding me a little bit about Elon.

What I was going to say.

Elon's book and some of his quirkier behavior, I guess you would say.

And then it reminded me of what Elon said on SNL.

Like, I'm a genius.

You didn't think I was actually going to be cool guy too.

Like, right, I'm a weirdo.

By the way, there's obviously an element of like Asperger's when it comes to Elon, correct?

Yes.

Right.

Like, you can't be everything to everyone all at once.

You can't be.

Right.

You can't be like the smartest person in the world, constantly working and working on like literally eight world-changing companies and also just be like a cool guy to be around.

Right.

And like grab a beer with.

Everyone's favorite guy.

So I think that was becoming clear at the beginning of the article.

Like he takes himself so seriously.

He's obviously really, really smart.

He acts like an ass because he thinks he can.

Like he's someone I would literally never pursue a friendship or a relationship with.

He sounds like a nightmare.

Nightmare.

But it's always the people who are like, yeah, you would think like Huberman has all of his protocols for ways to live your best life physically, mentally, and just like get on the best page.

So yeah, I guess you might be surprised to find out that he's not perfect in his real life.

It's Tony Robbins.

Yeah.

But Tony Robbins was actually accused of like a little bit more of a, I don't remember exactly, but it was like, you know, the really toxic workplace workplace sexual harassment in the workplace.

Yeah, nothing here is illegal.

Like he's just being accused of being like a flaky, cheat.

Freak, creep, honestly, like big time loser.

So, but then there was like this thread through the article where he was too obsessed with his dog.

And I was like, okay, that's also not a crime.

I don't know why we're including this in the article.

Are the alley?

Like, they didn't have that much because him caring about his dog.

Listen to this.

When they were together, he was buzzing, anxious.

He's like, oh, my dog needs his blanket this way.

And I'm like, your dog is just laying there super cozy.

Why are you being weird about the blanket?

I literally wrote a note, Ben, Ben, like, the dogs are fine and Ben is futzing with them nonstop.

Is that article worthy?

I don't think so.

No, that's me with Brew.

His heating pad's not turned up to the level that he wants.

Yeah, sure, he's, he's okay, but he could be cozier.

You got to futz with the ones you love.

It's called maturing in Yiddish.

I do it with my niece.

Also, like, it's so funny because when I do it with brew, there's like a level of comedy to it.

But if you take that out, it sounds psychotic like it's psychotic humans just like you know uh what's the word like larping with his dog yes so then we get to the part of the article where he actually starts to do things that are unethical like cheating on his partner so sarah is the main girl and i'm sure that's not her real name um so this is when she discovers him cheating

in august 2021 sarah says she read andrew's journal and discovered a reference to cheating.

She says she was gutted.

I hear you are saying, I hear you are saying you are angry and hurt.

He texted her that same day.

I will hear you as much and as long as needed for us.

So you're at a point in a relationship where you're reading your man's journal, like, which is so invasive.

Now, I feel like this is going to be probably my hottest take of the article.

And I want to say that.

But I also, I want to say, it says a reference to cheating.

Like, what is like...

Hardcore, I'm cheating on her.

And also, was he not being honest in his journal?

Because it turns out he's dating like four people at the same time.

Is he, is that what you saw?

The truth?

Or do you see, like,

is he lying in his journal?

And so, by the way, the next year, she discovers him cheating again, and it's because she's snooping through his phone.

So this is obviously a relationship with no trust.

And I hate,

this is, I don't know how to phrase this in a way where people aren't going to be like, Claudia, you're a misogynist.

Or that you're victim blaming, because if the rules were reversed, you'd say about a man doing it to a woman.

Right.

But I don't think it's like, I don't think it could be considered victim blaming.

He wasn't abusive.

He was just a fucking freak.

But it's like, this is a woman.

And by the way, Sarah has two kids.

After she finds out his cheating, after she claims that he would go on, you know,

days where he was so angry, like he was obviously like a terrible, terrible partner and boyfriend.

And just person, honestly.

She takes her two kids and she moves in with him.

She moves to Malibu.

She moves her whole family out to Malibu.

Especially when a lot of his anger was about her children, she said.

She said he was a little bit more than a hundred.

She said having a second child was a big mistake.

And you need to be a little bit more than that.

He would get really angry that she's been with other people and that she has children and that her having a second child was a huge mistake and he would be really angry about that.

So you stay with this person and you move in with him with your children?

And the whole time in the article, they maintain that Sarah is a successful independent woman.

She's a huge feminist.

She's not someone who can be easily manipulated.

Like they sort of maintain that like she's not a victim.

She, she's this sort of all-powerful woman.

So you're in this years-long toxic relationship with a man who says your children are a mistake, who has cheated on you, you've now discovered, who gave you an STD

because you were like, I thought we're not having sex with other people.

I just had tested positive for HPV.

Yeah, so she was only having sex with him.

He said he was monogamous too.

She never had HPV before.

And then she tests positive for HPV.

And so I just feel like there needs to be like accountability on all parts.

Like

the thesis from this article is like, Andrew Hubin is a fucking freak.

Absolutely everyone should stay away from him in regards to romantic and working relationships.

Seriously, I would literally, like, it sounds like a nightmare.

That is fact.

That is, but like,

what is Sarah doing?

Like,

what is Sarah doing?

And I don't know if it's like so crazy that I'm saying this because I just feel like there are equal parts

blame to lay on everyone.

Like, and these other women, we don't really hear from the other four, just that, like, he would see them, you know, for periods of time monogamously, but then it turned out that he wasn't monogamous.

They didn't sort of have as main role.

They were living with him.

Right.

I mean, they didn't have a main role in the article.

He would fly them out, but it was really Sarah.

Sarah was sort of the main, his main girl.

And I just, I couldn't gather, I couldn't wrap my head around the, the author saying, this is a powerful, smart, successful, feminist, independent woman who moves her two children in with a man who has cheated on her and who apparently goes on days-long angry rants.

Right, and goes missing for days.

And

I don't know, something wasn't adding up.

And the thing is, all of this is told from Sarah's POV.

Huberman did not sit down for this article himself.

No, but he was rebuffed to deny all of the charges.

Yeah, and they, she, like,

hard, like, straight up denied them.

And at a certain point, it's kind of like he said, she said.

There were also things that Huberman said that were in quotations, like that Sarah said, Huberman said, and they are in quotations.

So were they said over text?

Or how do you have a quote of that?

A lot of it was also transcribed podcasts, which I found almost illegible.

But Sarah will say, like, we got into an argument and you said this.

Yeah.

How do you have a quotation of what someone said?

Unless it was, oh, they're all text messages, in which case the author should have said, I saw that the text message said this.

I don't know.

I just feel like it's very telling that this was like a, you know, a basically first-person description from Sarah.

So we don't even have, and there are two sides to every story.

And I think, you know, there's her truth, his truth, and the version of the truth.

That's always the case.

This is her truth.

I don't find it that compelling on her behalf.

And we haven't even heard from Huberman in terms of how he says things went down.

He comes back and says, no, that never happened, or no, that was in 2021, not 2022.

But we don't have his account of things.

No, and even there was one point where she says they were together and he saw him cheating on someone, cheating on her with someone like on the couch in his living room.

He lives in the class in 13.

And so then she left.

She took a picture of the woman's car just to like try and find her afterwards, but couldn't find her.

Right.

And it's like, okay, and he says at that time that they were not together, which they shouldn't be together after everything else that went wrong between them.

So it's like,

say they're not together.

And she walks up to his house is like peep,

peeping top,

peeping through his window, like taking pictures, running plates.

Running plates.

No, it's like a crazy person from a movie, from a book.

Yeah.

Okay, also another line that I was just like, oh, they really need things.

In private, he could seem less concerned about patriarchy.

Because like she, like, the journalist spoke to a lot of women and he liked, you know, sex that was, you know, very, I would say, traditional, traditionally heterosexual you know submissive woman man in charge very much some of the novels that i read and so even though on his podcast i'm sorry look at him what do you think he looks jack he looks like a caveman and like

so on his podcast he preaches about patriarchy but in the bedroom he slaps a woman's ass like i'm sorry i think actually two things can be true at once i'm sorry but why are we reading this like this is not our business so the whole article is really trying to make it seem like he's this sort of master manipulator and i'm actually you know what i'm sure he is but the article ends, and when the article ended this way, and I will read it to you, it was so deeply unserious.

I don't even think the name Andrew Huberman was in the last three paragraphs.

It's about these women.

On any given day, one of the five, the women, can go into an appointment and come back to a hundred texts from the group chat.

Someone shared a Reddit thread in which a commenter claimed Huberman had a stable full of hoes.

And another responded, I hope he thinks of us more like care bears.

At which point, they assigned themselves care bear names.

Quote, him, you're the only girl I let come to my apartment, read a meme someone shared.

Under it was a yellow lab looking extremely skeptical.

They regularly use his usual response to explicit photos, mm, to comment on pictures of one another's pets.

They are holding space for other women who might join.

Quote, this group has radicalized me, Sarah tells me.

Quote, there has been so much processing, unquote.

They are planning a weekend together this summer.

quote it could have been sad or bitter says eve another woman we didn't jump in as besties but real friendships have been built it has been in a strange and unlikely way quite a beautiful experience what's so fast

this page long pages long article this is a real-life version of our favorite movie barbie yeah the other woman yeah yeah yeah but i don't know why when the other woman did it it wasn't annoying no because like she saw he was cheating and then she set out to ruin his life not like moved in with him save like knew exactly that he was a dirty scoundrel yeah

and then i don't know what i don't even know what had to happen here for her to

finally be done with him unless he broke up with her

yeah they never really even got to like the end of the relationship like how it ended and when then also the author then goes into his

backstory because he tells this tale this is how she sums it up

um

of his life.

His childhood.

Of his childhood and the things that sort of built him.

So he said, she said, for the past three years, one of the biggest podcasters on the planet has told a story to millions of listeners across half a dozen shows.

There was a little boy and the boy's family was happy until one day the boy's family fell apart.

The boy was sent away.

He foundered.

He found therapy.

He found science.

He found exercise and he became strong.

So that's sort of his origin story is his parents divorced.

His parents were

after the divorce, they neglected him, like full neglect.

Yeah.

And and i think he got into a bit of trouble he was sent to like a hardening school for a month for a month there he found therapy which kind of opened up his world and he found science and exercise and whatnot and then she also says on the other side of the coin science and exercise yeah honestly he's elizabeth zott and by the way she's a freak too

thousand percent it's you know yep but she also says then there's a version of human story which is also the truth where it's like he his father was a stanford professor he was born in stanford Hospital and he grew up to be a Stanford professor.

Like it's not that crazy.

His mom was an author.

He grew up like, you know, not, it's not a hard life the way we would see it, you know, compared to someone else.

Not like absent of privilege, but he never said he came from impoverished circumstances or anything.

And so when he was in high school, he started getting into trouble.

You know, he was kind of acting out after his parents' divorce and they ended up sending him away for a month.

And she interviewed people who were in his high school and were like, well, we never saw him getting into fights or getting into any trouble.

So I don't know what they're talking about.

And I feel like that's not necessarily proof that he wasn't going through hard times.

I feel like a lot of the times when kids are going through hard things, like most of it happens at home, and they present like a normal facing life when they go to school.

Literally, talk to a couple people from high school.

They don't know what the fuck, they're worried about themselves.

They're not there to be a historian for one classmate who they never expect 30 years later is going to become a big deal.

Then she did try to infer that he might not have ever been sent away because Huberman wouldn't share, or his representative, wouldn't share with the journalist what the name of the facility was called.

And, you know,

whatever the reason might be, either maybe he didn't go to a facility or he just didn't want her digging around in this place for things about him.

Like, why give her a lead on a story?

Figure it out yourself.

Like, you can't.

And she sort of inferred, or she didn't say it, but she sort of left it like, it's, you know,

it doesn't sound like he went to a facility.

It could be a lie is what she's saying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That he's a liar.

And so I think with the Jay Shetty thing, which this reminded me of, they had a lot of concrete proof that like like when he said he wasn't in India, he actually was posting YouTube videos in North London.

Like there was actual proof that he had, you know, been either confused or, you know, not telling the truth about his background.

You can't for certain say that.

That's like one of the rules of journalism.

Like you have to.

But she didn't say it.

She's just being dishonest and leaving it hanging there.

She also tried to come for his lab at Stanford and say it's like just a couple classrooms on the second floor of a building.

Like what?

And then Stanford like put out a statement saying like, no, this is a functioning lab and we're actually moving it to another building.

Yeah.

And she also had said at the beginning that his lab was so popular, people come and visit tours.

They have authorized personnel only stickers on all the doors so fans don't come.

So in the beginning of the article, there is a lab, but then later on she questions whether the lab ever existed.

Yeah, and it's just a bunch of mice being sprayed running around.

Right.

Now, I don't know where I end with this because.

I really don't know Huberman.

Like, I'm not going to die on the stake for him.

But I do feel like I read this account and it really, the whole article was Sarah's account of this relationship.

And I don't really think Sarah came out looking that favorable.

So it makes me think like once you hear someone else's side of the story, the truth is a version in the middle.

Yeah.

So I'm hearing your version and it's not even that compelling.

Yeah.

And I see gaps for where he could be like, no, this is what happened and this is where we thought we were at.

I just think Huberman is a guy who's really smart with a popular podcast who's a fucking freak, weirdo ass loser.

Like, seriously.

And I don't know if that would be a good idea.

I don't know if that's worthy of an article of the cover of new york magazine especially given how much is going on in the world currently right

i just don't think i didn't think it was you know

it was a long article and i read the whole thing and i was bored by it i was it was really long

And there was so much podcast transcription, which I didn't really, I get the, she was trying to make a point every time she transcribed a part of his podcast.

She would find something where he said, I like cheese.

And then she would tell a story from Sarah where he said he didn't like cheese.

Just basically the whole thesis being being the person you see on the podcast is not the person you see in real life.

And I feel like that's fine.

I feel like that's fine too.

Especially because there's no,

there was nothing that said like this stuff that he's sharing is, oh, they tried to come for AG1 though.

Oh my god, I'm so

there's nothing that says that the stuff that he's sharing like isn't actually really beneficial and people are changing their lives because of it.

And like that's a net positive thing.

So how can we go and ruin it and ruin this person, of course?

Right.

But the one discrepancy is that he does ads for AG1.

And then there are other people who are saying that AG1 doesn't have enough of the vitamins and minerals that they claim to have.

Did I screenshot that?

Because she said,

oh, then, yes.

She said that,

you know, another thing against him is that he, I think one of his biggest sponsors for every episode is AG1.

And She said, it is something to hear someone who sells himself as a Stanford University scientist

just back from the lab proclaim that the $79 a month powder covers all your foundational nutritional needs.

So she said, in an industry not noted for its integrity, AG1, according to writer and professional debunker Derek Barris.

So,

how is a writer and professional debunker, his word, more valuable than a scientist, first of all?

And by the way, I don't know the science behind AG1.

I just think like that's not an equal thing.

And I just feel like with doctors, like, because I find this way, I feel this way about Ozempic.

Like, you can find a doctor to say whatever you want.

Like, I see doctors on social media doing podcast interviews saying one thing about Ozempic, and then another doctor saying the exact opposite on a podcast about it.

They're both doctors.

Yeah.

No, you really can find someone to say anything that you want.

And it could be a doctor who went to a good school.

Like, it's not, and this guy isn't even a doctor.

He's a professional debunker.

That's not a job.

Right.

And so he said that AG1 is not what it doesn't have the benefits that he claims to have.

Oh, therefore, like Huberman's a sellout.

Please, like, I can't.

i can't

yeah

it's it was a lot it was such a like it was the stretch of her arm hurts i'm sure one from all the typing well from all the reaching it was so unnecessarily long and i was just waiting for the big bobshell i'm like what did he do He well, the one, like, the craziest allegation to me in terms of, you know, okay, I'm in the weeds on his personal life now is like that day where he's flying in one girl.

Yeah.

Texting with another girl, sending me coffee, Eve for coffee.

Like literally the juggling issues.

And maybe that's because his tips are so useful.

He optimizes his life.

He's active.

He has

free time.

A thousand percent.

He's optimized his health services.

He has a,

he thinks he's like a prophet.

He has this obvious like superiority complex.

He thinks he's godlike.

And that's how these freaks, especially men, behave.

Yeah, also the way that he speaks, like, you know, turbo, turbo.

Turprogenic.

Turbo therapy speak.

He's the example of

this red flag.

Who really shows, like, maybe therapy is not for everyone.

And there is such thing as too much therapy.

And you don't have to be going to therapy your entire life.

Look what happens.

Like, this is what he said to someone.

I'm willing to do the repair work on this.

Like, if

I want to be truck.

I want to.

I want to fix this.

Five words.

This sucks, but doesn't deter my desire and commitment to see you and establish clear lines of communication and trust.

I'm sorry.

I want to work on this.

I want to work on things.

No, and you think he's so successful.

He would use less words to save time.

Word, salad, yummy, yummy, humor in addition.

No, no.

Humor is a fucking freak.

I want to know who Eve the actress is.

Oh, of course I do too.

I have something kind of crazy to say.

You think she's like community theater?

No, no, no, no, no, about who I thought it was.

Oh, I don't think you can say.

Oh, I have no proof.

I just envisioned her in my head as this person.

Okay, here.

I have zero, zero proof.

It is 100% not true.

But every time the person was talking, I'm like, this sounds like Amber Heard.

Oh, that's so funny.

She came to mind for me too.

But based on what I've read about Amber Heard, especially from Elon's book, like this is it.

She doesn't fit the profile.

Okay, okay.

She doesn't fit the profile.

Like, Amber Heard would never be like the second in this story.

They gave no clues as to who Amber was.

Like, there's no Easter eggs that you can sort of of figure it.

Oh,

what did I say, Amber Heard?

You said who Amber was.

They gave no clues as to who Eve was.

And clearly, Amber Heard like likes an evil genius.

No, it could be her.

Though I don't think Elon's evil.

No, for sure.

I wouldn't slander my boy like that.

Crazy.

I enjoyed recapping that article immensely.

Yeah.

That was fun.

And I honestly, I didn't even know what Huber meant that he had all these credentials.

It's very impressive.

Professor.

Yeah.

And that he like does both.

Get you a prof that can do both.

No.

He's a freak and I'm obsessed.

I just want to say that was the first time in my life I've said prof.

And like, what does it mean?

It's like shorthand for professor.

Some people like call their professors prof.

Who?

And I just want to say, like, I want to apologize because.

Take it back.

It was so wrong of me to say such a thing.

It was so disturbing.

I've literally never heard that.

And I didn't like the experience.

Okay, well, you have to learn when you try new things.

I tried something new on, and it wasn't for me, and I wasn't being authentic to my true self.

Prof.

I thought it was sort of like an abbreviation for profit.

I'm like, oh, because he thinks he's a prophet.

That's better, because also it's prof, no?

Professor.

It's 100% prof.

Prof is profit.

That's why I thought it.

Okay, if you're someone who uses P-R-O-F indication.

Go away.

Go away.

Is it prof or prof?

Or is it either?

by the way maybe people don't say that i've never heard anyone say that maybe people just write it oh for sure but there's no period after when they say it when they write it

i i can't get bogged down in the like mindset of losers i really can't also who's like talking to their professor that much i like literally couldn't run fast enough away from my professors

you know what if your professor was huberman could you imagine

if my professor was huberman like i i could see like a young impressionable meeting becoming obsessed with him.

Of course.

But that's the difference.

Sarah, like they said a million times, was this accomplished, successful, smart, independent, feminist mother of two.

Right.

So either she wasn't, or Huberman wasn't like this almighty, powerful being.

And also, yeah, that raises a good point.

If he was such a nefarious actor, like he has students, like.

Right.

He has.

I just think if he was,

if he was like that crazy awful, there would be, when you do an article like this and you do research into someone's background, there would be way more people, former students, former classmates, graduate, whatever, who would have come forward, not just five scorned ex-lovers.

No, like the worst thing that he does in his life is that he's like flaky and tardy and he didn't take the camping trip when he said they were gonna go camping.

Camping trip.

Could you imagine if every time, like, if there was an article about you, and it's like, Claudia said that she was gonna go to the Berkshires, and we never went to the Berkshires.

Like, oh, but that was weird when the guy like spent his own money getting scuba certified.

Like, that is so mean.

Like, Huberman's such a dick, but also, like, what is this guy doing?

Like,

no, the moral of the story is, like, I don't want to hang out with Huberman.

I don't want to talk to Huberman.

I don't want to date Huberman.

But he still can have a successful podcast.

Yeah, two things can be true.

Yeah, and I could imagine myself listening to his podcast being like, oh my God, this guy's insufferable.

No, especially if he talks on his podcast the way these texts are.

I don't know how so many people listen to that.

I know.

And by the way, do you see Spotify just released their,

they never released their numbers, but they did just release what the top subscribe shows to, subscribe to shows are, which really is kind of like a meaningless figure.

You can have a ton of subscribers and nobody listens to your podcast, but

a bunch of people listen to your podcast, but they just don't subscribe.

So it kind of is a meaningless number.

But Huberman is like officially the number two podcast.

Oh, no, he was number three after TED Talks.

But I don't like to consider like the Daily and NPR or all of these.

I don't like to consider them actual competitors.

I think it's more impressive.

Like to be honest with you.

When it's impressive and media company.

Yeah, you better have the biggest podcast.

So I think of like Joe Rogan, Huberman, like people starting their own shtick.

So impressive.

And Huberman was right behind Joe Rogan.

Well, I think that makes sense because I think a lot of Huberman's audience came from Joe Rogan who already listens to podcasts on Spotify because he like goes on Joe Rogan so often.

I think that's where he got his start.

I think it was too.

Yeah, Huberman was always just like an idea to me.

And I'm glad to know that actually what I thought Huberman was is what he does talking about sunlight drinking water dopamagetic energy okay but what is he saying about coffee the video that was what was the thesis you don't drink coffee or do drink coffee do drink coffee but not immediately after you wake up he said minimum 10 minutes you have to go by after you wake up Who the fuck drinks coffee within 10 minutes of waking up?

Within five.

Oh, a lot of people.

No, no, no.

A lot of people do it before they brush their teeth.

Pee, but no, you pee, brush your teeth,

and then you have to brew it.

Like, it takes a few minutes.

And I think, like, you should get your sunlight in before that, something like that.

I don't think that 10-minute thing is a real tip because that's die.

Duh.

Also, don't you roll over in the floor.

He wakes up immediately.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I definitely think like the huerman lifestyle is like probably not for us.

But I think a lot of it is actually pretty obvious based on what you're saying.

I think Hubermeisters wake up immediately, though, because I think like snoozing and scrolling on your phone.

Is against Hubermeister productivity.

It's bad for productivity.

And I agree with that.

And like seeing like, you know, bad news.

Oh my God, Checkie Riverman over an hour.

Man, this is a good one.

We talked about Hubermeister for 40 minutes.

I can talk about

it.

P.

Diddy.

I forgot about it.

I'm not done with Huberman.

I'm never going to be done with Hubermeister.

I'm never.

Look at the man.

Like, we'll never be done.

My king right there.

No, I'm totally kidding.

No, no, but these are the unintended consequences of dumb fucking journalism like that.

And it's like, aren't these journalists like embarrassed to be falling into this trope of like, oh, someone gets successful overnight let's go find their tweets and talk to an ex-girlfriend like don't you want to be taken seriously as a writer because you're a joke about this this kind of behavior gets rewarded in the world of journalism and they do get taken seriously as writers in their own little world bubble so i'm sure it was a good day for the author but i don't know i was seeing like a lot of the and by the way i didn't tweet but the author was a woman yes

i see her

Not that it matters.

I just wanted to know.

Yeah.

It felt like it was written by a woman.

And I do mean that in a negative way.

No, it would have.

I mean, it would be weird if a man wrote this like about women.

Like it's a women's voice.

I think it's evident that it was written by a woman.

I agree.

I was kidding.

Yeah.

So that's the latest.

We'll wait for Huberman to release a statement or a video.

I know, by the way, do you think, what is Hubermeister's PR strategy going to be?

Like just on to the next?

He obviously, like the only place he would really say something is his podcast.

He doesn't like seem like the type of person to release a statement on Instagram.

I don't know.

It depends how much much he cares about public opinion.

If he's really like a renegade, he's like, fuck him.

Well, sometimes people do care about public opinion, but these types of situations where they get like attacked by the media turn them into like a renegade, fuck him.

Yeah.

That's how a lot of people end up renegades.

I just don't think,

how old is he?

40-something professor, like that he's gonna crawl into the shell over this.

I don't think he's gonna give a fuck, honestly.

Because if he is as nutty as the article made him seem he won't care I don't know actually if he's as nutty as the article making him seem he's gonna like he's gonna freak out no because she really alluded many times to him being a narcissist and narcissists love attention like even if it's bad Tom Sanoval

well

I also think that this article aside from us like has not had the intended effect agreed I think a lot of people are reading right through this and being like, okay, yeah, if this were my boyfriend, I wouldn't like this, but this is someone's personal business.

No, also a lot of people feel like this article was paid for by Big Pharma because Huberman is very much like anti-pharma, you know, bettering yourself through wellness and nature.

And he has a really enormous influence and he might be hurting Big Pharma.

That's a kind of conspiracy theory I like.

Yeah, it's giving dope sick, you know?

They're trying to take down Huberman because Huberman's getting people off medication.

Yeah.

Claudia, you just crack the case wide open.

I mean, I did it.

That's what people were saying.

They cracked the case.

Yeah, because, you know, he's like, go eat a plant instead of taking an Advil.

And if you live well, then you'll find that you don't need

as much medication

and all those things.

So just...

I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.

Me too.

It's always big pharma.

So true.

Are you ready for our next story?

I just want to make sure like your camera is still recording and stuff.

I just get like Pittsburgh, you know?

So far, yeah.

Me and Jackie were saying yesterday before the show that we feel like we're due for a tech issue a tech valid

if it

went off during hubermeister recap i would have been so upset so i'm glad we're so good we're so good our next story our next three are like you know light pop culture so we'll try to keep it under two hours Suki Waterhouse and Robert Pattinson have welcomed their bebe.

They confirmed the arrival of their first child on a sweet family stroll in LA this week.

It's really, really, really hard to see people out here living your dream.

Like, for real, this one hurt.

And I actually happen to really like Suki Waterhouse, which softens the blow, but it's

tough.

Like that family stroll, I think they had the bugaboo, you know, whatever everyone has.

No, so I don't recognize this stroller emblem, which is curious to me.

I love seeing what kind of strollers people have.

I'm obsessed with strollers.

And it looks like a bugaboo or upper baby, but it's not.

So I wonder what it is.

Well, I'm sure a mom group has figured it out, you know?

Yeah, maybe it's a British brand.

Yeah, but they were in LA, no?

Yeah, but maybe like because they're such British influencers, like a British baby brand sent them stuff.

And I feel like them having this baby sort of

quietly and not announcing it, the only reason we know is because they went for a stroll and took a picture.

Like, this baby could be a month old.

We don't even know.

So elite of them.

They are so chic and so fabulous.

And again,

that should be me holding his hand.

That should be me birthing his babe but I'm happy for them me too they hadn't announced the gender but I think because they went for the pink stroller it's a girl oh I guess that's like yeah yeah very very heteronormative of us no not heteronormative it's heteronormative of us to assume but I think I think it's assuming it's a fair assumption yeah um what do we think the name is gonna be they're so you know who oh it's definitely gonna be something like Archer

oh no that's a little

that's a little serious I feel it would be more something like Willow.

Tree.

Rain.

What did you say?

Tree pain.

Oh, I said rain.

Oh, the sunny.

Water.

Something breezy like that.

Stream.

Breezy.

I love the name breezy.

Breezy Pattinson.

Love.

Probably.

Breezy Waterhouse Pattinson.

That's a mouthful.

I do.

There are a couple that I would like to know their baby name.

Me too.

Because this is so oddly traditional of them.

And I feel like as two individuals, they're so like, you know, unorthodox in so many ways, very artistic, free spirit energy.

So them just like, you know, getting together and having a baby is so sort of 1960s of them.

Love.

Yeah.

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Our next story is a little movie news.

Timothy Chalamay has transformed into Bob Dylan on set of the new Bob Dylan biopic.

I didn't realize he was playing him.

I had saw this on like TikTok or something.

But Timothy will star as the folk musician in the upcoming film called A Complete Unknown.

He was

photographed Sunday, spotted strolling around New York City's Chelsea neighborhood in another outfit reminiscent of Dylan's wardrobe.

I feel like to be a male actor right now is to lose a role to Timothy Chalamet.

Like, is he ever not cat?

Like, he's literally the biggest movie star.

Dune, Wonka, he's everything.

He's the biggest movie star.

How does that happen?

Always filming.

I don't know.

He's so tiny.

Yeah.

I feel like it's so actually emblematic of our generation.

Well, of this generation, where like what we find to be like the most attractive male, like we, prior to this, we had our, you know, Miles Teller, our Brad Pitts, our big, strong, strapping men.

And now like styles have changed.

Like skinny, short, kind of like feminine men are the vibe.

And that's Timothy Chalamet.

He is like his generation's bond, you know?

Yeah, he is 5'10.

So it's not short, but it's not

tall.

It's short for like the, you know, the beauty standard.

But I also feel like sometimes men in Hollywood are short, like Tom Cruise.

Yes, yes.

They're shorter than you think.

Yeah.

What's Kylie's height?

Do you think they're still together?

She's 5'6 ⁇ .

She's shorter than I thought.

Are they still together?

I don't know.

I hope so.

I hope so, too.

They're my favorite couple now.

Like, I was just into them, but I'm into whoever Kylie's into, you know?

That's true.

Like, when her and Travis were, like, really, like, public and they did that vogue thing where they, like, sat and answered questions at each other.

Like, I was obsessed.

Yeah.

So she makes me like whoever she likes.

Yeah, that's true.

I think they're still together.

Now, Bob Dylan, this is going to be like one of the most embarrassing things I've ever had.

I'm glad you were saying it because I'm thinking it.

Okay.

Bob Dylan

isn't black?

And I think I get Bob Dylan confused with Bob Marley.

Yes, yes.

Who the fuck is Bob Dylan?

Who the fuck is Bob Dylan?

I don't know.

No.

I think he's a folk singer.

Let me pull him up on that.

I'm 90% sure that Bob Dylan is actually Jewish and he's like a very famous proud Jew whose work we should know.

And I do know that he sings, he's the one who originally wrote that Adele song to make you feel my love.

Are you sure about that?

Why would he?

Oh, he wrote, oh, wow.

Okay.

Okay, Claudia, we're really dumb.

Knocking on Heaven's Door.

Knock, knock, knocking.

But that, to me, that could have been Bob Marley.

Like a rolling stone.

Not familiar.

Blowing in the wind.

Is that the answer, my friend?

My friend is blowing in the wind.

Yes.

The answer is blowing in the wind.

Hurricane?

Every song is called Hurricane.

By the way, Make You Feel My Love.

Yes or no?

No, no.

I just went to his Spotify.

Bob Dylan, why would he have written that song?

I think he wrote it and like it was, you know, successful for him, but then Adele covered it and like now everyone thinks it's Adele's song.

Oh.

Oh my gosh.

Yes.

Yeah.

No, I'm like smart like that.

I totally agree.

That's not an Adele original.

Oh, no.

You didn't know that?

No.

Oh, my God.

No.

That song always makes me think of that episode of Glee after Finn died.

We used to sing in the car and I I used to sing alone.

Oh, so sad.

Yeah, he wrote that song and Adele covered it and like popularized it.

That's like, that just knocked me off my feet.

Yeah.

Okay.

So yeah, Bob Dylan, let me see.

Bob Dylan, Jew.

He, yeah, he is Jewish.

It's all coming back to me now, but I definitely confuse him and Bob Marley.

Yeah, me too.

Because I thought there would be more backlash over Timothy Chalamay playing

Bob Dylan

with Bob Dylan.

Big Jew.

Big Jew.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I feel like actually I need to see this movie, given the fact that I know nothing.

Do you think that the actor should have been a Jew?

Timothy Chalamet is Jewish.

He is Jewish.

No, I was going to say, I thought there would be backlash because I thought Bob Dylan was black.

I'm like, Timothy Chalamet playing this great black artist.

Where is he outrage?

Yeah.

No, Claudia.

I was wrong.

I was wrong.

Oh, so it's a good casting.

Yes, and actually, I feel like we should see this movie because it sounds like, you know, we need to respect Bob Dylan a little bit more.

For sure.

So we will see the movie.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, I wouldn't know anything about Johnny Cash if I never saw Walk the Line.

It's so true.

A biopic is important.

Really?

Really?

I can't know everything about everyone.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

It's so true.

What's like a biopic?

What's your favorite movie biopic?

That's a good question.

Because we loved Walk the Line growing up.

We did.

I need to see a list of biopic.

Yeah, yeah.

Like Elvis, obviously.

That's definitely not my favorite.

But it wasn't a great biopic.

It was a good movie, but not like an amazing biopic.

What, Elvis?

Yeah.

I agree.

Because it was like not serious.

No, and like learning someone start to finish, like how their career went is fascinating.

I don't like when movies zone in on like two weeks in someone's life.

Oh, totally.

Okay, this list of biopics is like not what I am.

Looking for because they're not all like famous people in that sense.

Yeah.

I watched the

wolf of Wall Street is technically a biopic.

Oh my god.

People, I hate when Google doesn't get them.

He doesn't understand the assignment.

So annoying.

Biopic movies.

Oh, Secretariat.

That was a great biopic.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Like, Selena was a very good biopic.

It was.

Yeah.

And educational, you know?

No, look what's here already.

One life.

Lol.

oh i mean you know bohemian rhapsody and

oh well

but no i wouldn't like those were really popular biopics but in terms of like being really good and deep they were just like fun yeah and like beautiful yeah like really well done i feel like

honestly walk the line from everything i'm seeing

walk the line was really good was really good

yeah

Okay.

They're saying Amadeus also about Mozart, but I heard that wasn't good.

Oh, where'd you read that on your Mozart fan fiction forum?

And like, did you even know there was one?

Oh, it's from 1984.

So it's like.

You probably would love it.

You should watch it.

Maybe I will.

Report back.

I want a two-page essay on Amadeus.

Okay.

That is funny.

Yeah, like, oh, I, Tanya.

That's not what I'm talking about.

I I agree.

I agree.

It's not.

Move on, please.

I can't with the research.

Great.

You're great as showman.

Yeah,

okay.

Fifth and final story.

Yeah.

The Bachelorette has been named, and it is the first Asian leading lady for season 21.

Jen Tran, who is a contestant from Joey's season, which I saw just ended.

She has been named the leading lady for The Bachelorette season 21.

I feel like The Bachelor this season, like Loki was making waves.

I feel like Loki, it was good.

Loki.

Classic.

When I say Loki, I feel like Tom Hiddleston.

Loki?

That's his character, right?

I think so.

That's his, yeah.

Loki, that's how I say it.

Bachelor.

The Bachelor looks good this season.

Yeah, well, it's over, and I just saw who won.

So I saw pictures, but I feel like I wouldn't know if I, like, if I had a sick day soon, I think I might.

binge the bachelor.

Oh, that's a kind of crazy.

It's over.

Like, please don't waste your time binging something that you can't recap on the podcast.

Oh, that's so true.

But unless I did it like tomorrow and I could recap the whole season, but no, also, I can't watch week to week, though.

I can't do that for The Bachelor.

No, it's insufferable.

Like, I won't go back there.

I don't care if it's like keeping up with The Bachelor was some of the worst years of my life.

Like, I will, you cannot go back there.

Go back there.

I don't care if it's the best shit on the planet.

Now I'm at a place where I'll see like headlines about two people from like Bachelor in Paradise.

I think they just got engaged.

And like, I don't know the name, never heard the name before, never saw this person.

Like I'm so out.

Where I feel like for a while it was still like residual people.

Yeah.

But now I've cycled through and these all are unnew.

But I do think like if you are a bachelor watcher, like this was a good season.

Yeah, I think so too.

Cause I saw people talking about it and I haven't seen people talking about it in probably two, three years.

And also even that story made headlines where he said that it had an old school daughter.

Joey grabbed Sedine.

No, and he was funny and cute like and dumb.

Like I liked it.

Malta had an old school vibe.

Malta does have an old school vibe and I feel that, Joey, I do.

Yeah.

And so now their next leading lady, I think people are really excited excited about.

She looks adorable.

Fabulous.

Fabulous.

I hope that they're having a renaissance over there.

I just think it's funny the Bachelor, like it's 2020, whatever, like is still having their first this, first that.

Like they are so behind and they're catching up.

And oh, you know what?

I was actually thinking about the other day.

The way that we got like a quiet on set, I feel like we need something about like Bachelor Nation at its height.

I think we need like the rise and fall of Bachelor Nation, including like Mike Fleis, the Chris Harrison thing.

Like we need a comp, like, what the fuck happened?

How do you go from being literally like the biggest phenomenon in pop culture?

Like, literally setting the tone.

Every celebrity watching your show, millions, like, literally, even a bad season had like 7 million viewers.

And this was post-the-cable peak.

Like,

what the fuck?

Like, I need an explanation on what happened

in documentary format.

I wonder what it was.

Like, a lot of people blame the Chris Harrison drama, but I feel like it was over before that.

Yeah, like, when was it over for you?

Claire Crawley.

I think that this is when it's over for me.

But I watched Matt James' season.

Was that after?

Yeah.

I watched two.

And then who was after Matt James?

I feel like it was Claire after.

No, because

Matt was on Claire's season, no?

Hold on.

Who?

Yeah.

List of Bachelorettes.

Who?

Clayton?

Clayton.

We definitely didn't watch that, but I feel like there was someone who came.

Who came after Matt James?

Who was the girl?

Bachelorette.

Oh, they had the two.

Okay, Claudia.

It was like Michelle Young.

Gabby.

And

no, that girl.

Claudia, what's her name?

The pilot.

No, no, no.

That we're after after Gabby and Rachel.

No, but.

For Matt James' season, Claudia, Katie.

With the dildo.

Yeah.

So I think I might have finished Matt James's season and left.

And then I didn't watch Katie.

After Kate, it was Katie and then Michelle and I didn't watch Katie.

Yeah.

Did you watch Michelle?

No.

So then I stopped.

That was the last I watched.

So if I had to blame someone person, like for me.

It would be Katie.

Damn.

That would, to me, would be an enticing documentary.

I also feel like there was a lot that went on behind the scenes.

And I think a lot of the leads have NDAs have run out.

And I think a lot of them would, if they're no longer involved in the franchise, I feel like a lot of them had weird things with Mike Fleis.

Like, I want to hear.

Yes, I agree with you.

It's ripe for nefarious behavior, but I also feel like a lot of the bachelor people, especially former batcher people who don't have NDAs, like they have platforms and they have podcasts.

And if they had a story that they wanted to tell,

they're in the business of storytelling and they would have.

Perhaps.

Perhaps.

So I don't know how much there there is that we don't actually already know.

I feel like we know a lot.

We do.

I feel like it is what you think it is.

Like the show Unreal.

Exactly.

Even when Unreal came out, it was so, it made The Bachelor look so bad.

The Bachelor was so big, it couldn't be taken down.

Like, how do you go from that to being the most relevant show?

And it was made by former bachelor producers.

So you knew they were like harping on real experiences.

Yes.

So that was today's fast five.

I had such a blast.

I love when the stories give.

I just don't think we could call it the fast five.

The

fastidious.

What does that mean?

Uh

like stalwart.

I feel like that works.

The stalwart five.

Love.

Even though that's like not what we were trying to say, but that's a good word.

Fastidious.

Very attentive to and concerned about accuracy and detail.

I would say that's us.

The fastidious five.

And then what's stalwart?

Loyal, reliable, and hardworking.

That's us.

Also good.

Also applies.

The fastidious stalwart five.

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And we'll see you on, yeah, that's right.

Tomorrow, like, we're halfway there tomorrow.

That's exciting.

It is exciting.

And it's lunch.

And excitement excites me.

And it's lunch.

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