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Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Thursday.

I'm so excited to be joined by a co-host who is so heavily requested.

The Giggly Girlies are here.

It's Paige DeSorbo.

I'm so excited.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming.

No, I actually.

Wait, sorry.

Can you move your mic mic closer to your mouth?

Yeah.

I actually dressed a little comfy today because I feel like I do my best gossip comfy.

You're well.

Like, this is what happens.

People come because you've been on a few times.

And every time you come, you stunt on these hoes with your outfits.

And I'm here, like, in my toe smirch and leggings and sneakers.

And this happens with Taylor Strecker.

It happens with Shannon Ford.

And honestly, I'm like, I need to set my pussy up.

Wait, can we talk about how good Taylor Strecker has been looking?

I'm obsessed.

Like, I always envision her as like just like a rich woman.

Yes,

she's giving like full rich woman no she looks so good i'm so happy for her every time she comes on the toast all we do is talk about ozempic like so everything to talk about like if you needed ozembic would you take it paige i could find a way to bring up ozempic in everyday life i would take it in a minute it's a life-changing drug taylor and i are kind of like the face of it or like the body of it i guess i would say and she looks so good yeah she does she does and so i decided to like get my best my sunday best out for you you look amazing you're kind of raising the bar for everyone constantly i appreciate that no we appreciate you.

I just try and, I do it for the girls.

For the girls and the gays.

I do it for the girls and the gays.

And I have to say, you get so, we get so many requests whenever we do maternity leave, like bring Paige back.

And one of my favorite, like, because I'm like a sleuth and I'm annoying, like, one of my favorite things to do is like bring people on the toast, like, see how their episodes perform.

Like, because everybody like acts on social media, like, I'm so great.

Like, I so many powers.

No, I got it.

But it's interesting, you know, to see who translates.

The numbers don't lie.

They don't.

And I wanted to tell you, the last time you were here, I think you were maybe in the top three.

Yeah.

And Hannah, the giggly girlies love you.

Because I feel like the toast girlies and the giggly girlies have equal amount of like mental health issues.

So we're all the same.

Yes.

And I'm so glad to be catching you in this time of year because like you're kind of everywhere.

First of all, you're on multiple reality shows.

So you're, of course, we know her queen of Southern Charm, I mean, of Summerhouse.

Yep.

But you're also now like a girly on Southern Charm.

And I tried really hard to not be a girly on Southern Charm.

I was like, I don't, I don't, I have my own thing.

Group of people who are crazy that I'm dealing with their drama.

I don't know if I can take on a whole second group of crew, but then things happen, and I can't shut up.

And both the shows that you're on right now are having like monumental seasons.

Well, we haven't seen Summerhouse yet, but of course, we all know Carl and Lindsay.

Yeah.

Now on Southern Charm, Taylor and Austin.

Was that like crazy to you, or did you like see that coming?

It was crazy because I, in real time, like was finding things out.

So, like, an episode is going to come out where like I find out

like the Taylor and like Olivia of it all.

And my face, I'm just like shocked.

Shocking.

No, it's crazy.

I feel like it's me and Jackie were having this conversation.

It's kind of the equivalent.

It's like a Scandival of Southern Charm.

Yeah.

But the only thing is, is like Ariana was the victim in Scandivall, and she's like a sympathetic victim.

People like aren't going to be out here crying for Shep.

He's just not made himself a really sympathetic character.

Right, right, right.

And also because he cheated.

Right.

So it's like, he's not like a scorn.

And they were broken up, but it's really the, and he's a man, so like

okay.

Wait, I love that you said that men shouldn't write.

They shouldn't.

Because I

don't think they should be in the arts like at all.

Interesting, we also don't believe that they should have cooking shows.

That's disgusting.

Which is an art in and of itself.

But they shouldn't have them.

They shouldn't.

And then Cody Rigsby came on the toast yesterday and he's on this like promo tour for his book.

And he was like, I heard you think men can't write.

And I was like, well, first of all, you're gay.

So like you're obviously better.

It doesn't count.

He said he agreed.

And then I was like, I was mostly talking about like fiction, fiction storytelling men can't tell stories no they can't unless it's their own right like they can't they can't gossip no at all no ben like is i was gonna say is ben a good gossiper no mostly and this is where we differ he like doesn't care i'm like what is that like not caring about if you told me about like a crazy thing that happened to your home friend who i've never met i would think it was the craziest thing and you would have a dynamite follow-up question of course and then i would find a way to like connect.

I'm like, oh, I know her friend from college.

Yeah.

You know?

And then you're down a rabbit hole.

So Ben doesn't care, but Ben like gets good information because Ben's like this affable guy.

Yeah.

And everybody who meets him like kind of just like trusts him.

Yeah.

He does have that like where I'll tell you my whole life story.

We call it the benefit.

Yeah.

He can get anything.

Like people love Ben.

He's such a good like networker connector.

Like if I wanted tickets to the Super Bowl, he would have like I said to Ben a few days ago, I'm like, I want to go to the Jets game on Sunday.

Yeah.

And because they think Taylor Swift is going to be there.

And it came out yesterday that she actually is going to be there.

So like the prices for tickets are like so crazy.

Ben got two different options.

He said, which one do you want?

Wait.

Yeah.

I'm obsessed with that.

You ever need anything?

Call Ben.

He'll do it.

Because Ben, Ben's really smart.

He,

he, like, his, a form of currency of his is like favors.

He's like, oh, I just did a favor for this guy.

So let me ask him for this.

Wait, that's so mafia of Ben.

Ben and I love it.

It's called The Benefact.

And I think we could all really learn from him.

Yeah, I think so, too.

Yeah.

And he calls himself Ben Sopper Celebrity.

But like, the reason why you want to hear the funniest story, I forget, I think we were in Portugal and we were talking about how like such ugly pictures come up of us on Google.

Yeah, and he was trying to find this one that

he like hates so much, but he couldn't find it.

And then like the conversation moved on and he pulled out his phone and we all look over at his phone.

He had been looking for the photo and he searched Ben Soffer celebrity.

And we like roasted him endlessly, but now it kind of stuck.

BSC, Ben Soffer's celebrity.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

And he honestly is a celebrity.

I wish I had half the confidence any man I've ever met.

It's half.

It's so true.

It's kind of wild sometimes.

It's true.

I'm just, it's enviable.

Yeah.

But yeah, men can write.

They shouldn't be in the arts.

They shouldn't have cooking shows.

And Cody Rigsby said yesterday, too, they shouldn't be Super Bowl performers.

But we made the exception for Usher because he's got charisma.

Cody called him like a slut.

And I agree.

But don't you feel like Taylor Swift is

gunning for that position next year?

So I could literally write a dissertation on Taylor Swift in the Super Bowl.

For many years, it was the Pepsi halftime show.

And Taylor had done like a very long, I want to say like five-year contract with Die Coke that had a non-compete.

And I think it had a non-compete for many years after.

So she wasn't eligible.

Okay, got it.

Okay, I didn't know this.

You are my Taylor Swift guru.

I know.

Can I just say you made my Taylor Swift experience?

Yes.

I wanted to talk about that.

We went to the Taylor Swift concert together and Craig was like hyped up.

He's like, I'm a big Taylor Swift fan.

And like, have I do the concert?

He turns and he's like, why don't I know any of these songs?

He's like, didn't know one song.

Maybe I'm not like a Taylor Swift fan.

It's just like a a really long concert.

So yeah, you know the hits, like five or ten, but there's 40 songs.

No, when you leaned over and said, if you have to pee, you should go now was just one of my favorite.

I was like, oh my God, I would have missed an amazing part.

You're like, she's going to talk for a long time.

Like five minutes, and you can go to the bathroom now.

And that was great.

It was a good time to go to the bathroom.

You nailed it.

So

we're going to talk about Taylor Swift and any questions you might have.

Oh, but so that's why she didn't do it because of Diet Coke.

Then it switched to Apple Music.

Now I think it's only like year two of Apple Music, but she's been on the Eris tour, so like it doesn't really, you know, work with her schedule.

Got it, got it.

So I do believe it has to be coming up

in the next few years.

There's a few people who it's like, why haven't you done it?

Carrie Underwood?

Why haven't you done it pink?

Why haven't you done it?

Kelly Clarkson.

Because in my head, they've all done it.

No, I know, but then it's like when you look back, it's like Cold Play's done it three times.

Bruno Mars has done it two times.

Beyonce's done it two times.

They recycle certain people, but they don't bring in new talents.

And doesn't Carrie sing the song?

Yes, that's what we were talking about on Monday.

She does the like the NFL Sunday Night Football like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whoa,

Sunday night.

Like, she's part of the family.

Yeah.

It makes no sense.

That makes zero sense.

So we talked about Southern Charm.

We need to talk about Summerhouse, like, not Summerhouse breaking the internet when it came out that Carl and Lindsay.

broke up and there's so much confusion about like what actually I'm sure you're limited in what you can say and I'm not gonna push you because like you have a contract and I honor that you know like what the fuck is going on okay it's so interesting because this summer, definitely very different from any other summer we've had.

Did you get out of bed?

I went out

every weekend.

Look at you.

Like literally dancing on tables.

Was it as fun as laying in your bed?

Like pros and cons for sure.

Like I definitely thought about my bed a lot and was like the first to go.

We had a great time this summer to the point where we actually said like the last day of filming like wow what's our green summer gonna be like?

Because it was copacetic.

Yeah, it was copacetic.

I mean, obviously, there was some drama, but it wasn't like so deep and so dark that we were like, I'll never speak to that person again.

It was like chill drama that like normal people have.

And we were like, there's just, I'm going to be nothing.

It's going to be nice.

And then literally 48 hours later, we were like, pardon?

How did you find out?

The internet, like everyone else.

Because you're like, it wasn't, no one was there besides them too.

No one was.

Yeah, no one was there.

I don't even really know like detailed details

I just know I found out through the internet texted Amanda and was like did you see this on like I forget what it even was everywhere literally everywhere and she was like call me and which is one of my favorite texts Because when people call me I'm like go away.

Yeah, but when somebody when like I'm asking a juicy question They're like you need to call me call me.

That's exciting.

I'm like let me get comfy.

You know, let me change.

Let me take my makeup off.

Yep.

I like my phone holder so I can can like talk with my hands.

I keep one on my nightstand.

That is the best.

No, it's the best.

Yeah.

Or when someone says, wait, I forgot to tell you this, like literally gets

a simple gossip question and you get a voice memo in return.

Me and Hannah are big voice memo people.

Okay, influencers love voice memos.

I love that because I feel like I don't trust anyone.

Yeah.

So I don't ever want to type anything.

I don't trust myself.

Like, I don't need to put this in writing.

Like, what do you think about Hannah?

I know I like but I also like hearing certain people the way they say things intonation yeah it's just different uh-huh like if Craig sent me a voice note I'd be like you could have texted us

totally but like if your girlfriend sends you one you're like it's juicy especially someone like Amanda because like her and Kyle like really are like like a

What's the word I'm looking for?

Jackie always finds the words I'm looking for.

Like where they're like the control room.

Like they have they have Kyle.

They have Amanda.

They have the girls.

They have the guys.

Like it's kind of like the center.

Yes.

Communication center.

They're the nucleus.

Nucleus.

So like getting that, I need to call you from her specifically changes the game.

Because here's the other thing.

Kyle also is notoriously so bad at gossip, but yet gets it all.

Yep.

So like when we ask him questions, he's like, oh, I don't know, I didn't ask.

It's always the people who get the information who don't appreciate it.

I've actually been training Craig so hard that now when he's places without me, he'll text me and be like, don't worry, I'm writing it all in my notes of like what's happening.

So Jackie does that with me because I love to gossip, but I have the worst memory.

Yeah.

And like, I love a cocktail.

You know?

Right.

So you're a single girl.

If I'm going to dinner with like somebody who has good gossip or like a dinner with like someone crazy who I just like need to tell Jackie everything again, like I will go to the bathroom and start anything down.

Like I'm like, oh, I have to pee.

And then just like four things.

You have to.

It's important.

Because if you forget something and then it comes two days later, the gossip just doesn't hit the same as like that next morning.

No, we're bad.

Yeah.

But like it was just Yom Kippur.

Yep.

And, like, you're supposed to kind of look at your whole life and be like, what could I be doing better?

And it's actually like a really big sin in Judaism.

This is your new year, right?

It's right after New Year.

It's like a day of atonement.

It's like the most serious day.

You're supposed to, it's when you're like, it's like when God plans out the year.

Like, are you going to be in the book of life?

You have to, like, act right on Yom Kippur and just be self-reflective.

Yeah.

And it's a big thing in Judaism.

It's called Lashanhara.

It means like to speak evil.

Okay.

But I think like the translate, like, I'm not 100% sure if gossiping and like exchanging information like with like a sister or best friend is considered.

Because we're not speaking evil, we're just sharing information.

You're saying facts back and forth to each other.

It's just a conversation.

Well, you don't want us to talk?

I don't know.

Like, what do you, what are people talking about if not each other?

That I don't know.

And here's the other thing.

When people are like, oh my God, she's such a gossip.

Or like, I hate gossip.

Then you must have a really boring friend group.

No, and that's the thing.

Like, if you're like a part of a friend group and there's one person who like, you know, is better than everyone and won't gossip, like that person is immediately boring.

And we're talking about you.

Right.

Because you won't participate.

You're the one that's being talked about.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Yeah.

It's just.

Well, it's just a crazy time to be paged to Sorbo.

Giggly squad everywhere.

Live tour, podcast killing it.

Summer house, Southern Charm.

Craig.

Craig.

How's Craig?

I feel like Craig is a full-time job.

Craig is a full-time job.

He's really good, though.

He pitched the first ball at the Orioles game the other night, and he was a basket of nerves.

I'm sure.

Like, you would have never known, but he was so nervous.

I feel like for a man, it's actually like girls, like, you throw like a girl.

Like, you throw it down, and it's like so cute.

And I was trying to make him feel better, and I was like, Look, I genuinely have never seen someone throw the first pitch, like, if I'm at a game, like, I've never cared.

I've never looked up.

I'm getting a drink.

I was like, no one's watching.

And you know, Craig, he didn't love that.

He was like, but I feel like people are.

I was like, no, no, no.

As many people as you want to watch are watching.

That's so true.

You can make the case.

You're going to be fine.

And how did he do?

He did great.

That's so exciting.

But I wouldn't know otherwise.

I know that like you're supposed to make it over home plate.

Like that's a good one.

Yeah.

He did.

And so we felt good.

That's amazing.

We got the content.

It's also low-key hard.

It's really far.

It's really far.

I know I couldn't do it.

Before he went out to like do it, he turned to me and he was like, never stop recording.

And I was like, this is just

the best moment of my life.

I was like, you got it.

I guess for a guy, that's like being invited to like fashion Week.

No, that was, I could only like think of it in those terms.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it was a big moment for him.

That's huge.

Yeah.

So we love that.

And how is Paige and Craig?

Like, I'm just obsessed.

Paige and Craig are doing good.

Where are you living now?

So I'm in New York.

Like, honestly, I'm in New York, June, July, August, September.

For summer house.

For summer house.

And then like September just seems to be a busy month in New York.

It is.

U.S.

Open, Fashion Week.

Yeah, it's just like, I can't miss the tennis.

We're the queen of fashion.

Did you go to the U.S.

Open?

I did.

And I feel like tennis is having a real moment.

I know, I was obsessed.

But you also like live with Hannah.

Right.

And Hannah's like tennis obsessed.

So it could appear that way, but I'm here to let you know, like, in the real world, too, it is.

Hannah gets some really niche gossip.

Ooh.

So like Hannah always gets the tennis girly gossip.

And it's like, I don't know any of these people, but I'm

not into it.

I think I know what you're talking about, and we should talk about it after.

Okay, we'll talk about it after.

And she also will get stand-up comedy gossip.

Ooh, that's interesting.

Because it's very niche.

It's a small circle.

Very small circle.

So I'm very invested in a lot of people's lives that I don't know their last name.

I love that.

And that's great for me.

Because you're collecting information at this point for a later date.

Oh, I love that.

We'll have to chat later.

Yeah.

Well, today you're here to serve one purpose.

Yeah.

And that's to be, actually two, like to be your fabulous page self.

But to join me in discussing the fast five, what current pop culture stories are you dying over?

I mean, I, the Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey is just like sweeping the nation.

Do you think Travis Kelsey's hot?

I do.

Cody Rakesy described him yesterday as corn-fed, and I thought that was like the perfect way to describe it.

Okay, this is going to be unpopular, and I'm not, and I'm not coming for him whatsoever.

I think

crazy, you're in the NFL, so talented, good for you, so hot,

tall.

There's just something about him that, like when he was saying that he went to a Taylor Swift show, he made a bracelet with his phone number on it, and he was like a little butthurt.

She didn't see him after.

Get a grip.

I got the ick kind of immediately.

I completely agree.

Not enough people are talking about who he's, he's like extremely cringy.

And we were making fun of him endlessly because when he invited Taylor to the show, he went on Pat McAfee and he was asked about it.

And he said, I told Taylor, this is, okay, this is the words he actually said, and then I'll tell you how he said it.

Okay.

He said, I told Taylor, you know, I saw you rock the stage at Arrowhead.

Why don't you see?

Come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead.

That's how he invited her to the show.

But when he regurgitated his own words on Pat McAfee, he said, I said, listen, Taylor,

I saw you rock the stage at Arrowhead.

Why don't you come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead?

It was ick.

No, but she also rocked the stage at Arrowhead.

Is it Arrowhead?

Yeah.

Okay.

On her own, sold it out.

You're out there with a hundred guys.

Don't equate it.

There's empty seats.

Don't equate the two.

You are not the same.

Like, when I saw the meme, like, it's so cute of Taylor to go check on the arena while they turn it into the Mojo dojo house.

I lost it.

I was like, that's amazing.

It's so perfectly put.

Yeah, like she's doing the most and we're supposed to be impressed by this like football team.

And there's something about like a really hot guy who, and I'm sure he's lovely and very nice.

I'm sure.

I'm sure.

I love how you like have to say that.

What are you about to say?

I'm sure.

But there's something about a really hot guy who tries to act like, oh, I'm just like, I'm just like really down to earth.

I'm just like a nice guy.

Like I'm just like from the Midwest.

No.

Okay.

I love that because I've met so many of them where I'm like, wait, but you're actually one of the most diabolical people I've ever met.

I think like a universal rule is that if you have to say you're down to earth, you are not.

Like the girlies that are out here being like, I'm so nice, or like, I am a girl's girl, which I feel like I do say that a lot, but like, girl's girl is different.

It's like, okay, well, if you have to tell me, I feel like you're lying.

No, what are you hiding?

Yeah.

What's underneath that?

Like, if you get along with everyone, everyone will just know.

Right.

You don't have to get it.

Like, you don't have to say it.

It's just like, it is.

Yeah.

I agree.

Like, people who would claim like the salt of the earth.

Something's wrong.

Something is wrong.

Because you know, you never hear his brother, Jason Kelsey, say he's, you know, down to earth because he actually is.

Right, because I feel like he genuinely is.

Like, he's not thirsty.

He does his work.

He goes over his family.

Yeah, like he's someone who's just proving that he's down to earth without saying it.

Here's the other thing about it.

What's the other thing, Paige?

I

very much believe that, like,

you have a type.

Yeah.

Especially as a guy.

Like, yes, a a woman is like every guy's type.

For sure.

They'll take whatever they can get.

A hole is a hole.

Right.

Like, but there is some type of an aesthetic there.

Taylor dated.

Especially for men.

I feel like women are more like your personality.

Right.

Like, Taylor dated a million different looks and vibes.

But we're different.

Like men.

We can adapt.

No, because we like see underneath.

And by the way, I really feel like for women, me and Jackie always say this, like a man becomes attractive to you based on their personality.

Yes.

You could say arbitrarily, like, oh, that guy's ugly, but like when you know him, a woman sees him as beautiful, like really.

Like they get hotter.

Oh, for sure.

And him and his ex-girlfriends, I mean,

so different.

It couldn't be more different.

That's why I like the whole thing, and that's what I was saying.

And people, I love Taylor, and I'm championing this relationship.

Like now I'm on board, but I think it's important to think critically and be like, he is really thirsty.

I think so too.

Like the whole friendship bracelet thing.

It's too much.

Like honestly, Craig and I have only been dating for two years and he dated like one girl before me who had blonde hair and I won't let it go.

That's interesting.

You know, I'm like, but you like blondes.

And he's like, it gets really mad at me.

That's a fair point.

I'm like, well, proof is in the pudding, Craig.

Facts don't lie.

I think about that too.

And I always think like

it's so normal for someone to like date and marry someone who had multiple girlfriends before.

Me and Ben met when we were 18, so like neither of us really had a girlfriend.

Yeah.

Ben had like one girlfriend.

I actually know her.

She's so lovely.

I mean, that's the only good thing to say.

And you randomly like bring her up?

I know.

And they they like literally dated for like maybe two months in like freshman year of college.

But to me, that's like my only frame of reference.

And I will never get over it.

I can't imagine like dating someone, meeting someone at like a normal age, like 25 or 30.

No.

And then they have like five girlfriends.

Oh, no.

Have every girl Craig's even spoken to.

I'm like,

when you text your girlfriend.

No, calling people.

who Ben has met one time, his girlfriend is my favorite activity.

I'm going to start doing it.

It's so funny.

Or whatever, Ben's like five minutes late.

He said he was supposed to be home at 7.15 last night.

He got home at like 7.45 and I was like, oh, how was your girlfriend?

Yeah.

Like what?

Send my regards.

I

used like a makeup artist one time.

And the only other person I knew was like a girl that like Craig sainted.

And I was like, oh, I'm like using this new makeup artist.

Like she used to do your girlfriend.

And he was like, who?

And I'm like, because he's had so many.

You know.

Like, come on.

You know what I'm talking about.

For sure.

It's also a small circle of like makeup artists.

We're your girlfriend.

You're all right.

LLL.

Well, we're going to dive into the fast five.

Paige is here to join me.

So, Paige, I just have one last question for you.

Okay.

Are you ready for the fast five stories that you need to know?

I am.

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All right, some Taylor Swift news, obviously Travis Kelsey, but but this actually isn't about that.

It came out yesterday that she has loaned Sophie Turner and her kids a New York City apartment during the bitter legal battle with Joe Jonas.

So the superstar singer has been by Sophie Turner's side ever since the actress split from Joe Jonas came to light.

She's taken her to dinner, keeping her entertained, amid her breakup.

But now page six hears that Swift has even loaned Sophie Turner a stunning apartment in her own downtown New York City neighborhood that the actress and her children can live in while Turner and Jonas get their complex custody arrangements ironed out.

So apparently she keeps a Tribeca pad as an investment property, but has handed the keys over to the Game of Thrones star as a temporary home and says that Sophie Turner has been spotted settling into the famously chic neighborhood, checking out some of the local comfort suits, food spots, and she was photographed yesterday, I think like handing off the kids to Joe because she came out in like sweatpants.

I mean like a sweatshirt and shorts and put all the kids in the car and then waved goodbye.

Wow.

And it's like in Tribeca.

These paparazzi photos are like incredibly intimate.

It's so crazy to think they live like down the street.

No, I know.

That's what's so crazy about New York and why starting today, like I'm going out every night and I'm going to the Jets game because one of my like favorite activities is to get dressed and stay alert.

Yeah.

And just like look around for Taylor.

I feel like she might be my name.

I think you and Margo haven't met her.

I know.

Or like at least been at the same

event as her.

Like it doesn't seem like

you guys.

I was at the Aristor.

Yeah.

And she was there too.

I have one time gotten like a package from her with like a handwritten note with merch like but then i never heard from her again do you think she wrote it um no right but i choose to believe that she did okay my one question that i feel like you'll know were sophie and taylor friends prior like when joe and sophie got together were taylor and sophie already friends or they became friends they became friends i believe when the relationship with joe started especially because a fear list was being re-released and that's all about joe so like taylor brought them into the fold she posted about the song so she was cool with joe Always cool.

And Taylor's a huge Game of Thrones fan.

Okay.

So they had met because Taylor was obsessed with Game of Thrones.

And I believe there's a song about Arya and Queen Sansa.

I think it's Endgame is about that.

Okay.

Or one of the songs.

Like Taylor like always writes about like things in popular culture.

She's written songs about like different movies and books.

And she's written music about Game of Thrones.

She loves it.

I'm a big Sophie Turner fan.

Me too.

And I think like I'm loving the way this is turning out because when the divorce news first came out, it was like clearly a narrative from Camp Jonas.

And it was like really anti-Sophie, anti-mom.

And it was actually anti-woman.

No.

It was so anti-woman.

I was like, how dare she go out and work.

And like she's British.

Right.

Like they, there's, I feel like British culturally socializing is different.

Like their drinking habits are a little different.

And yeah, I'm just.

And nobody believed it.

That's what I loved.

They were like, oh, we're getting fed all this information, Team Sophie.

Everyone's so in on like PR stunts now.

I know.

We're kind of too smart.

Like you can't really pull one over over on the internet anymore.

And it's interesting being on reality TV because like when things will happen, like okay, perfect example is Carl and Lindsay breaking up.

Yeah.

Like, but no one's seen anything.

So it's like you can't keep, even keep a secret till like the season comes out.

And so people are already like picked their sides.

Pick their sides, like sleuth, like all these blogs with really no connections, but like making stuff up.

Like, right.

It's true.

So by the time the season comes out, like you're kind of fucked sometimes but sometimes it is obviously like when it's not you like it is funny to see certain rumors.

Yes.

Like there was one rumor that Carl like got a girl pregnant and she was like crying in a bathroom somewhere.

I'm sure that's when I read that true.

I mean I know from what I know no right like knowing Carl like no.

Yeah.

But when I read that I was like

people are crazy and that's hilarious.

It is.

I also love about this story.

I feel like there are so many moments in like pop culture.

Like Taylor Shift is kind of like a bankroll for women.

Yeah.

Like remember when she paid all of Kesha's legal bills against Dr.

Luke?

No, I didn't.

Yeah, because like Kesha's entire like discography, she was

so nice.

She gave her $250,000 to pay her legal fees.

That's like

us getting a cab.

No, literally.

Do you know what I mean?

It's like, oh, I'll get you your Uber home.

It's nothing to her, but like to Kesha, she was probably drowning in legal bills.

She wasn't able to work because her work was owned by this man who she was accusing of sexual harassment.

And like, it was like this terrible situation.

And here comes Queen Taylor taking care of the bill.

She's giving home to the displaced.

Like she's literally like saving women in crisis.

She boosts our economy.

She actually did.

Like the GDP is up.

Like even they were doing all the stats for last Sunday, like the amount of people watching, the amount of jerseys.

Like is he?

She put him on the map.

No, like, I wonder if he does think at all, like, wow, I should have given her like a cut for the moment.

On the podcast, he has a podcast, and it came out yesterday, and they had recorded after Sunday's game, and they spoke very little about Taylor.

He was basically just like, we had fun.

I'm so glad she came.

I'm going to keep it private.

But his brother did bring up the fact that his jersey sales went up 400%.

Yeah.

Like, he's aware.

Like, that's crazy.

No, like, that's her power.

Yeah.

You'd love to see women in power being powerful.

I, I just, I'm very here for her, like, everything she's doing right now.

Me too.

For, like, everyone.

And she's doing good work, like, home, giving Sophie and her kids a home I'm sure like there's a reason why Sophie has to be in New York well she's filming a movie as well she was filled that's what the whole the divorce paperwork that came out she filed a lawsuit against Joe and it was like filled with interesting information that's someone who I love on TikTok the talk of shame she read it and like did all the work for us this is when she was like I want the kids to go back to yes so they had agreed at the beginning of this year or in December of last year we're gonna live permanently in the UK okay so they bought a house they're renovating it and then they started renting a house to live in until the renovations were done they enrolled the kids in schools, got them doctors, like made all this thing.

And then when the summer came, he was leaving for tour.

Okay.

And she was going to film something until September.

And she said, you take the kids on tour.

I'll be working till September.

And then come September, I'll come pick them up on tour, bring them back to the UK, and we'll live in our new house together.

But that never happened because in August, he filed for divorce.

Okay, the thing that I can't figure out and I don't understand, when he filed for divorce, when she was at that concert two days earlier, like we haven't

why is now talking about that?

Now looking back, the first few days are filled with questions.

Because did she not know that he was like not gonna let them live in the UK?

Yeah, like what, like, why would she have gone to the concert if they were at such odds that he was like to the point where he was filing for divorce that next day?

Yeah, I don't know.

Maybe, um,

and I don't know because I don't have children, but like maybe the kids really wanted to go to the concert and like as a mom, like you just do what the kids want.

Okay, that's actually probably like they wanted to see the daddy.

The fullest answer and probably the most right.

Maybe.

Yeah, okay.

This is just like so shocking to me.

I pegged these two as like a forever.

Yeah, me too.

And it's still taking time for me to like unlearn that.

My favorite is when like someone breaks up and people go back and find like certain videos and they're like, see what you knew.

When that's happening with Travis Kelsey, this video of him is going viral.

It's actually from Watch Rapps Live, where he was asked like a bunch of Veraunci questions by Andy about sex.

Ramona is the other guest.

And he basically said like a deal breaker for him is if a woman doesn't give oral sex.

And Ramona's like slapping him, being like, who raised you?

Oh, it's kind of amazing.

I didn't know he had a dating show.

Oh my God, you have to watch it.

No, I like that.

When I heard that too, I was like, okay, yeah, I don't like it.

He has actually recently,

he wasn't really famous when that show came out.

So he was just like a football player with a reality show.

And now, like, last year, he got so famous.

And he was asked about it.

And he was like, honestly, like, I know it's weird, but I was a rookie.

I had spent all my money because like I was so excited to be making money and I needed needed the money.

And I actually respect the honesty.

Honestly, that's why everyone's on reality TV.

Like at some point they were like, okay, I'll do this for a paycheck.

No, and I understand like being so young and making money and blowing through it.

Like you're not thinking about fiscal responsibility your first year in the NFL.

So I actually understood it and you should watch it.

I think I'm gonna.

And he ended up dating the girl that won for like four or five months.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, but she's the one who this week came out and was like, I'm a girl's girl.

Taylor, you should know, once a cheater, always a cheater.

She like literally said that to the Daily Mail.

So he cheated on her, I guess, like eight years ago.

I mean, and it was like a relationship for TV.

So I actually don't believe once a cheater, always a cheater.

You don't.

Because I feel like

in call, like, okay, in college, there's just like certain things that happen.

I don't think like if you cheated in college, that means you're gonna like cheat on your husband of 17 years.

No, and being young like is a thing, right?

You're young and moronic, and that's fair.

No, like being young and stupid is very much a thing.

But like a guy who's cheating on his girlfriend and it's like a real relationship and he's in his 30s, like you have problems.

Right.

Like if you're living with your significant other and you're like banging the secretary, like yeah, you have problems.

But like, no, if you're talking about a relationship from like eight years ago that was four months long,

I don't think that equivalents once a cheater, always a cheater.

So that's the Taylor Swift update of the day.

Now, the Kardashians are in the news actually quite a bit today.

We have two stories.

Last night was the season premiere of Kardashians on Hulu.

I know.

Why did nobody talk about that?

I had no idea.

Where is the marketing?

I'm livid.

No,

last season, they sponsored the toast.

So I knew when it was, and so did all of you.

Yeah.

I had no idea.

I didn't even know

another season was coming out.

A trailer came out a few weeks ago, and it looked good.

Oh, okay.

Yes, yes, yes.

And then there was no follow-up.

Nothing.

But it actually was like a crazy episode.

And the thing everyone's talking about is this phone call between Courtney and Kim.

Okay.

It was really bad.

So the timeline of this, it's important to know like where we're at time-wise.

Yeah.

So the last season, they'd all just watched.

Okay.

And so Courtney saw the whole Dolce thing go down.

She saw like Chloe and Chris and Courtney, I mean, and Kim in Milan, like toasting like, fuck Courtney, like really bad.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So tensions, I think, are even worse.

Okay.

And Courtney is not on camera.

She's on the phone.

Kim is on the phone and you hear Courtney's voice and it's just really bad.

Like

if these two weren't sisters, they would never talk.

And honestly, I'm always inclined to take Kim's side because up until recently, like Courtney really was like so Ms.

all the time complaining about her life and it was just like hard to sympathize with this woman who you know lives a life that seems perfect and what are you always complaining about Kimberly Noel Kardashian forever like I don't care I will love her and I will always love her and I actually really respect and like trust her I think up and like she's always trust her she's really logical and she's not mean no and I feel like she's actually for like who she is and what's going on in her life yeah down to earth yeah and she doesn't say it right and she doesn't say it But on this phone call, like, honestly, I was not on her side.

Oh, she goes so low.

So basically, she calls in and is like, this dolce thing, I'm still in the contract.

I have to go back to Milan to do a dinner.

I want to let you know, and I also want to invite you.

And Courtney's like, honestly, I'm kind of dolceed out.

And I just saw the episode.

Like, honestly, I'm not.

I'm just being dolceed out.

That's kind of like life goals.

Like, for me, currently right now, I'm kind of like targeted out, just kind of like revolved out.

No, I'm Uber Eats out, by the way.

I am uber eats the fuck out.

Like, Zara out.

Like, it's so hard for us, Mae.

Like, I'm so zar it out.

So Zarred out.

It's too much.

But she's like, I'm obviously not coming to this dinner.

And Kim is like, well, like, we need to talk.

Like, you hate me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Why?

And Kim, Courtney was just like, honestly, after seeing this episode and just like thinking about my wedding, you came to my wedding.

You were just clearly not happy for me.

Everyone told me you were complaining the whole time.

Did you watch the wedding special?

I didn't.

I didn't either.

So I feel like they didn't even wouldn't allude to that.

I know special, which I wish they did.

So she goes,

you weren't happy for me.

You were complaining the whole time.

And then like you come out and like do this dolce thing that's so similar to the vibe of my wedding.

Yeah.

And you couldn't even, maybe I would have felt differently if had you been like, you know, jumping and dancing at the wedding.

Yeah.

And been like, this is epic.

Yeah.

She was like, you just couldn't stand that I was a center of attention and like you're a narcissist and like I had a thing and you had to make it your thing.

And honestly, like, I kind of feel it.

I kind of feel it.

Then it gets worse.

Kim's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

I was so happy for you, but like, we're all talking about how like you're so different.

You seem so unhappy in your life.

Like, all of your friends text me and the family.

We have a chat called Not Courtney, where everyone comes to us to complain about you.

And Courtney's like, you're starting side chats without me.

Like, you're the one who's unhappy.

Like, I don't have side chats about anyone.

Like, I'm living my life.

Yeah.

And then she said to me, like, the most unforgivable thing, like, they're just riling each other up, but Courtney has remained so calm.

I think it's like making Kim even crazier.

Yep.

She goes, I mean, like, even your kids have come to me with problems about how you are.

Kimberly.

I know.

It's that's so not Kim.

And Courtney didn't even give in.

She's like, all right, you want to say that?

Then say that.

Like, sure.

Now you're telling me all my friends, my kids, and my family are coming to you talking about me, but I'm the one who's unhappy.

Like, please.

And she said, the kids thing is the only thing that got Courtney choked up.

And at the end, she was like, you're such a fucking witch.

Yeah.

And I fucking hate you and hung up the phone.

Oh my God.

It was really bad.

I think last season they hyped up a lot, like Courtney versus Kim, Courtney versus Kim.

Yeah, but now it's like didn't really get that crazy.

Yeah.

This to me was the craziest conversation.

That like makes me sad.

I know.

And I feel like Courtney has had like a tough go of it in certain parts of like the show.

And Kim is always like so beloved that I'm kind of like, justice for court.

If this conversation had happened a few years ago, I'd be like, yes, finally someone's saying like, Courtney, what's with this mug on your face?

Like, be happy.

You have a beautiful life.

Like, she was kind of missed and i do think her life turned around when she met travis and i really believe she's so happy i wonder if they don't like travis i

feel like they do.

I think he's such a good stepdad.

He's such a good dad to his kids.

He's like kind of ben sopherish.

Like he's very affable.

Like everybody who meets him loves him.

He's Travis Barker's celebrity.

I know.

And he loves Courtney.

So like, I don't know how you couldn't be happy for your sister, right?

When she's met someone who would actually step in front of a train for her.

Like he loves her.

He's obsessed with her.

This conversation from Kim's End feels misplaced to me.

Like, I don't feel like Courtney is so happy.

Obviously, I don't know what's really going on because I'm a nobody and they like live a thousand.

But I wish we had the wedding.

Yeah, I mean, we do.

Did you watch it?

No.

So I like how we're like, I wish we had the wedding, but we didn't even watch it.

But I feel like they didn't allude to any drama.

Like, I feel like it was supposed to be like a home video love story.

Yeah, like, I agree.

It was like directed by Ellen von Unworth.

Like, she's not doing drama, she's doing like beautiful wedding.

But I do always feel like Chris wanted Courtney's wedding to be the way we reacted to Sophia's.

And by the way, I think everyone loved it.

Like it was exciting seeing all the girls in Italy.

And you know what?

I feel like that whole like Dolce 90s like era that's now popping, like it really was like started at Courtney's wedding.

Right.

All the girls like for the Friday night and the Saturday, like the brunch, all their outfits, like they were dressed by Dolce and they were sick.

Yeah.

And Courtney, Kim made it a point to be like, I didn't copy.

Like I told you, I was telling everyone at the wedding, like, I didn't like your look.

I didn't like the vibe.

So she's kind of validating what Courtney's saying because Courtney was like, you were complaining the whole time.

You weren't happy at my wedding.

And then Kim is like, I didn't copy.

I thought it was ugly.

And it's

so sad to say

to say to anyone.

And also, like, I feel like Chloe talked about on like a podcast or something when she was like, I wish you wore like a different wedding dress.

You did the vanity fair thing.

Yes, yes.

And I detect her and she was like, do you, Courtney asked her, did you like my wedding dress?

And I felt like that was so mean.

No, like, I think there's something to be said about like everyone being like a little mean to Courtney.

And I think there were many years where maybe she would have deserved it because she really was like a mean sister but now in a reality taking a stance from a reality TV point

Courtney for so many years was the show yeah like Courtney and Scott drama was sometimes the only drama a season would have so true we can't forget about the years Courtney and Chloe take Miami where he punched the mirror

I mean iconic stuff and in the very beginning the show really became so popular and then Courtney got pregnant it was like this crazy thing because Scott Scott was like so toxic.

Like, she she put the show on her back for many years.

Remember when Courtney slept with that guy in Miami?

Um, the friend?

What was his name?

Sorry, remember when Courtney had a lesbian experimenting phase, and she made out with that girl who then ended up on Orange's New Black?

She made out in a club with a girl.

Wait, oh my god.

Courtney Colin, Miami.

So, like, I'm just like a little bit justice for Courtney.

I agree.

And that's never something I thought I would say.

And, like, the fact that she's like, keeps her marriage and her life, like, a little bit private.

I get it because for so many years you were on display, bleeding out.

No, you're right.

So

I know it's like shocking for me because I'm always inclined to just like be Team Kim.

Same.

But I honestly think like Courtney's onto something.

Yeah.

Imagine Courtney comes out with a spin-off show and it's just her and Travis's life.

And like we're just...

There's so much interesting stuff there.

Travis, they're a blended family, which is always interesting dynamics.

Alabama Barker.

She's a star.

A star.

Jason, star.

Yep.

He's recently Bar Mitzvah.

Landon on the Charlie Damilian video show.

Like, it's just so, so much has happened.

And there's also just really interesting family dynamics.

Like, you know, Atiana, his oldest daughter, is actually not his biological daughter.

It's his ex-wife's wife's daughter with someone else, and he raises her.

Oh, I didn't realize that.

I thought it was a different, that was his daughter, a different mom.

No.

So there's a lot going on.

No, there's a lot going on.

So there's, there's interest.

Shanna signed on.

Well, she's nuts.

Courtney would never agree.

But she'd she'd be so good on reality TV.

For sure.

And she would love it.

Yeah.

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All right, our second Kardashian story is another plotline from the episode last night, but it's not nearly as serious.

Chris Jenner forced her boyfriend, Corey Gamble, to reject a role on Yellowstone.

So Chris Jenner revealed during the season four premiere of the Kardashians that she once blocked her longtime boyfriend Corey Gamble from appearing in the hit paramount show Yellowstone.

Jenner claimed that she forced Corey to turn down the role in the Kevin Costner-led series once she learned that the role might contain some romantic scenes.

The revelation came while the matriarch and her two daughters, Chloe and Kim, grabbed dinner with Corey and Cabo.

She said, I'm so excited to watch the next episode of Yellowstone.

And Corey said, well, if it wasn't for you, I would be a Yellowstone star.

Confused as to why someone wouldn't take the opportunity to be on camera, Kim asked Corey why he turned on such a prominent role.

And Chris butted in and she said, because I thought he was going to have a romantic relationship.

Unable to resist the urge urge to poke fun at her mom, Chloe lassoed herself into the conversation.

But if they said they wanted you to star and kiss Kevin Costner, I'm sure you would take it.

I'm shocked.

I'm shocked.

It also kind of feels like this is an ad for Yellowstone, like in the Kardashians, doesn't it?

Product placement.

He did a great job.

No, I know, even though, like, Yellowstone is like not in production, Kevin Costner won't film and they like haven't, it was like they end, they did a mid-season finale.

I hate when this happens with shows.

It's been over a year since the mid-season finale, so season five never even ended.

Oh my god, yeah.

Yeah, Kevin Costner, like, won't you up for work?

Kev.

He's also going through a divorce, so it's like not helping.

And his wife wants like $300,000 a month, and she doesn't want to work.

Relatable.

No, I love that for her.

And also, didn't she sleep with his best friend?

Yeah, like there's like a lot going on.

And he has like this $40 million, it kind of looks like Yellowstone, like ranch.

I'd love if they had a reality show.

Yes.

Okay, I'm shocked at Chris Jenner.

I know.

I feel like she, above all, like, knows a good opportunity when she sees it.

Right.

And like, what Corey was gonna like go then like be with this woman.

Like that makes me think more is going on between her and Corey.

And maybe let's put that that way.

I want to say like, yeah, this sounds like someone who's insecure, but if Ben got offered a role where he had to kiss someone, like, I'm out.

I'm out.

No way.

Unless it was going to make him like really, really famous.

Okay, it's funny because Craig always will say like, also, none of us are actors.

I know.

Let these hypotheticals.

Every couple have this conversation.

I know.

Yes, they do.

Because Craig was like, look, if we like agreed, like, it's it's just acting and it was for your career like fine, but I like would feel a certain type of way and I would feel nothing I feel like if Craig did it.

Yeah, well, here's the thing like what am I getting out of this?

So let's say Ben is booked a role on the TV show.

Is it like a very minor role where he doesn't come back?

Then it's not worth it.

Right.

Is it gonna shoot me, him, and our family to start him?

Yeah, I'm all for it.

Okay, got it.

I'd like the

benefits have to outweigh the risks.

But

what are the risks that you think that like Ben would fall in love with this girl that he kissed one time and is gonna leave you for like this random actress?

What if it's like some shiksa goddess?

Ben is like, you know so

tantalized by her blonde hair and enormous perky breasts.

I just don't see Ben's softer celebrity doing that to his family.

Well, you know, Ben hosts a podcast with Josh Peck.

Yeah.

And I, whenever I'm on their podcast, like my, I'm always asking him because he's an actor, like, and he's like kissed a bunch of different people.

I think he like just kissed Hillary Duff in his show.

I'm like, what?

Like, how?

Yeah.

And he's like, it's just not like that.

It's actually like weird.

Like, so many people are watching you.

You're literally acting.

And it's kind of like weird and gross.

Like, it's not good.

Can I tell you something?

Because you're a book girly.

When I was in high school, I had to do a commercial for a James Patterson book.

Oh, we have to find that.

It's called, I forget what it was called.

Oh, they were like,

we were like vampires, I want to say, or something.

No fucking way.

I'm 16 years old.

I'm literally harnessed up.

I have to like fly through the air, make out scene.

Kissed a guy, had a boyfriend in high school.

My mom's like on set with me because I'm a child.

I fell in love with this man.

Like,

fully fell in love with him.

Every so often, I'll look him up on the internet.

No fucking way.

Once he's married, what's he up to?

I haven't looked in years.

Last time I looked him up, actually, it has probably been like five years ago, but I had just moved to New York City, saw him on the street.

Did he recognize you?

We both recognized each other for sure, but we both didn't say hi, kept walking.

But I was like, oh my God, that was definitely the guy I made out with.

Oh, my God.

And I don't think he recognized me because I was 16 and then he was seeing me.

I was like 25.

Right.

How crazy.

So was your boyfriend mad at the time?

He was like a little, yeah, he was like, oh my, like everyone's like making fun of me.

And I was like, it's literally a job.

like get over a similar story like not really when I was like just starting out influencing I had like maybe like 500,000 followers on Instagram I got reached out to by the Steve Harvey show it was like my first time ever being on TV like for an interview and I was like oh fuck yes yes I was so excited and the more I talked to the producer they were like we're making it a dating segment Okay, and it was like you have to judge like because we want to learn all about social media like you're gonna see three boys social media profiles.

Okay.

And like judge them and then like choose one.

Okay.

And I was like, oh yeah, I'm single for sure.

Ben's like literally next to me.

Ben comes with me to Chicago.

We like look alike.

Everybody just thought we were like brother and sister.

I'm like, oh, this is my brother.

And I literally had to do this dating segment where like literally three different guys.

And I like chose one.

And Ben was like trying to be happy for me.

He was having a mental breakdown in the dressing room, like losing his fucking mind.

I mean, you didn't have to like make out.

Then did you like hang out with them after?

No, they had to film a little segment where we like walk into a restaurant like on a fake date.

Wait, I love this.

It was like a resurface that.

No, we

don't.

Don't you dare.

And it was like a seafood restaurant.

Just that.

I I need to hire some company to get that scrubbed from the internet.

Like, I love it.

Next story, my favorite couple to talk about.

Lauren Sanchez says there's nothing better than seeing her fiancé, Jeff Bezos.

Yeah, I would be excited to see.

Just to see him?

Yeah, like just to be with him.

Like, yeah, I'd be excited too if every time my fiancé came to see me, he brought me like a $40 million house.

I'd love to see anyone on their yacht.

Yeah.

Like, you could bring my arch nemesis and I'd be like, it's great running into you.

I would be like, move over.

Yeah.

Let's go.

So even a whole day apart is too long for these lovebirds.

Lauren Sanchez couldn't help but gush over her soon-to-be hubby Jeff Bezos in a heartfelt post on social media.

She said, nothing better than when I get to see him for lunch between his meetings.

It wasn't long before fans and celebs rushed to like to the comment section.

Cute, Kyle Richards wrote.

Meanwhile, pop star Katy Perry, who shares a close friendship with the couple, also responded with a heart emoji.

This woman is the luckiest woman in America.

The luckiest woman in America.

I also just really like weirdly like them as a couple, even though I don't like die for Jeff Bezos or anything, even though he has changed my life.

I feel like of all the girls he could have dated, like after divorcing his wife, he could have dated like an 18-year-old and everybody would have been like, okay.

He dated someone age-appropriate.

I do find it respectful.

Yeah, and they've weirdly been together.

I feel like they had a like an oddly traditional courtship, even though the way that they came out as a couple was weird with like remember her brother.

Wasn't she married?

Yeah, and like her brother was like selling their sexs to the National Inquirer and we saw all those text messages of him being like, I want to drink with you.

Like not get drunk, but just like a little tipsy and then like wake up with you and read the newspaper.

it's sweet

you didn't say like I want to clap those cheeks bitch right

it was really there's something about when you say something really funny and sexual like it hits so different like specifically yeah like I think it's 10 times funnier because also I'm not like that like I don't yeah like someone else could have said slap those cheeks and I would have been like it's a little vulgar but when you say it like also I don't know oddly like cute I don't know if like slap those cheeks is something I think it's clap those cheeks oh whatever whatever

I just like I weirdly think they're sweet and they had like like a traditional courtship.

They were like dating for like a year and a half, got engaged.

Like it's like a normal people.

Does she have kids?

I don't think so.

Does he?

He must.

I think he does, but I just like, I don't know why I think about it from the point of like, if I was her daughter, like how happy I would be.

Like my bot mitzvah would be the event of the century.

Yeah, mom.

Fuck dad.

It's also so different.

It's funny how different.

Mackenzie Bezos, his ex-wife, and

Jeff, like live and spend their money.

She got $36 billion.

I think she gave 35 and a half of it to like a million different charities and now like lives a life of poverty with her half a billion dollars.

Yeah.

And he, I think, is now worth like $100 billion.

He has not given $1 away.

He's going to space.

No, it's...

It's just funny how men and women are different like that.

And I do...

I do always get annoyed, maybe different because they're not like famous actors or something.

But like, I always think of Chris Pratt and Ana Ferris.

Like, I think about it a lot.

And that's so funny.

I never think about them, but they're people worth thinking about.

I think about them a lot because when they got together, she was very popular.

Probably the height of her career.

Yeah, rom-com queen.

He was like a little chubby and he was on TV.

Yeah, and no, he had like that very small role in that terrible movie, Five Year Engagement.

And it was just, and then all of a sudden, roles reversed, and he was like, oh, and by the way, I'm out.

Yeah, and I'm a star now.

I'm skinny.

Bye.

And she loved him while he was no one.

That's true.

And I think about it a lot and it really annoys me.

So when anything comes up about him in pop culture and people are like so for him, I'm like, I didn't forget.

You know who I have that same thing with?

Austin Butler and Vanessa Hutchins.

She saw something in him that nobody saw.

She told him.

She discovered him.

She told him to be Elvis.

She was dating him when he was on The Carrie Diaries, the CW amazing show, by the way, prequel to The Sex in the City.

Like, she was with him during the dark times.

The Carrie Diaries was so good, and people don't talk about it enough.

Nobody talks about it.

It's the most incredible show.

It has really nothing to do with Sex in the City because Carrie was not like that girl.

No, no, no, no, no.

Anna Sophia Robb crushed the role of Carrie.

Crushed.

It was the best show.

And that's like literally all he did after his like Nickelodeon fame.

And then he was just like famous for being like a former child star and being really hot and dating Vanessa Hudgens.

Yeah.

And then he became a star and never once saw or spoke to her again.

Like that pisses me off.

And now he's like engaged to Kaya Gerber.

I just watched a movie last night on Amazon called Bottoms and Kaya Gerber was in it.

I heard it was great.

Me and Craig loved it.

I heard it was amazing.

I want to watch it.

It's like very odd.

And like things were happening, and we were like, what are we watching?

But for whatever reason, we were like, this is amazing, and I can't see it.

And she's in it as like an actress?

Yes, and she is so good.

Wow.

And I think it was because she's not like a main main.

She's a little bit supporting cast, but she definitely has lines.

And I think it was a great way to like intro her into movies.

And I have nothing against her.

I think she makes a nice couple, but I have something against him.

Yeah.

I feel like he's a little arrogant.

Jackie like put it into my brain.

She's like, I think he's a social climber.

And now I can only see that him is that.

Yes.

He is.

I also, like, when he gave up to give a speech, got up and he was like full accent.

Oh, yeah.

The accent thing was, I think, threw a lot of people off.

It was too much for me.

I just, I never forget Vanessa Hudgens, just like you never forget Anna Farris.

And how he won't ever say Vanessa's name.

That, like.

Yeah, that she, she was the one who gave him the idea to pursue a role in Elvis.

She was like, your voice, like, you can sing like him.

Justice for fucking.

But she's like, I never had given anyone that nice nice of a compliment.

Never in my life.

I'm like, Ben, you should play Bozo the Clown

in his biopic.

No, I feel like I called Craig like Ellen DeGeneres the other day.

I don't like it.

No, I call Ben Bozo the Clown.

Whenever he puts on like a crazy outfit, he's always wanting to experiment.

I'm like, just wear black pants.

Yeah.

He always has to put on like the pink.

He's in a very experimental face.

And I said, okay, Bozo.

Yeah.

Like, that's,

now he knows, like, he'll put an outfit on and he'll come in.

And before he even asks, he's like, Bozo.

I'm like, Bozo.

Wait, that's adorable.

No, I know.

At first he was offended, but I'm like, listen, I want what's best for you.

Yeah, I'm here to help you.

I'm out here helping you.

Our fifth and final story is probably one of my favorite sagas in pop culture that nobody is talking about.

I'm sure everybody knows that Katy Perry is like in this crazy lawsuit.

Nobody's talking about it.

Thank you.

She's in this crazy lawsuit over a piece of real estate that she had purchased from this like very old man.

He's a former, he's a veteran.

And he was, he had just gotten back surgery.

He was on crazy like opioids.

And they presented him with a legal document and he signed it.

And then two days later, when he came to, he was like, wait, I just signed away my house.

I live here.

I don't want to sell it.

And now they're in a crazy lawsuit.

She's suing him for millions, which is okay.

It's crazy.

But what makes the saga crazier is that this man, do you want to know who his daughter is?

Yeah, who?

Cameron Westcott from The Real Housewives of Dallas.

It's her dad.

Stop.

Yes.

Yes.

All roads lead back to Bravo.

That's crazy.

Also, Katy Perry and Orlando Bloom.

Also, wait.

side note, I just saw Orlando Bloom's in like a new movie.

I saw like the preview for it on the TV.

He looks horrible.

No, have you ever seen his penis?

I personally haven't.

I have.

Because he got paparazzi nude paddleboarding in like Mallorca or something.

Tiny?

Small.

I just think he's a grower, not a shit.

He wasn't like, hey, it wasn't a rex on the paddleboard.

Right.

He was never

chilling.

She must have great PR that like not that many people are speaking about.

This is also the second like major lawsuit.

She had sued this like coventry, like a covenant, like a what's it called?

A covenant?

Okay.

Where like nurse, where nuns live?

A convent.

Convent.

Yeah.

I'm so dumb.

She had sued like a convent because like she wanted their land and then like these old nuns like died and it was like a whole thing.

Um wait, small Katy Perry story.

Yeah.

So one time I was doing an Amazon live and she had a shoe line that was like exclusive Amazon.

Yeah, she has like a, what's it called?

Like kitty, kitty shoes.

Something.

And I was doing the live with her and I was so nervous.

So like the night before, I memorized all of the shoes and what like their names were so that like we could just like say the name of the shoe and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

She was so late

that like they were so nervous about it that we couldn't even do, we were supposed to do like a rehearsal, didn't do a rehearsal.

She just like came in and it was virtual.

Oh.

And I'm.

sweating

and I'm saying the name we're doing the live I'm saying the names of the shoes and she was like I have no idea what you're oh god oh god like she didn't know the names of the shoes so then I was like

did I just insult her by like making by knowing more yeah by like making her almost look bad oh my god so then I couldn't say the name

yeah I threw it out the window okay so here's the update on the legal battle she's slammed for quote attacking the week by the family of diry dying veteran Carl Wescott She is suing for $2.6 million in property dispute as his son is saying his American hero father shouldn't have to spend his last days fighting her in court.

So, honestly, I'm not really interested in the details of the legal battle.

What I'm interested in is another thing I learned about this man.

Ready?

You're saying, oh, how can Cameron Westcotts, how can this war veteran own a property for $15 million that Katie Perry wants to buy?

Like, you don't get paid to be in the Army.

Right.

More importantly, do you know what he did after the Army?

What?

He is the founder, and this is how Cameron Westcott is so rich.

I know.

This is how Cameron Westcott's so rich.

He is the founder of 1-800 Flowers.

Isn't that crazy?

Oh my God.

So at this point, it's like rich people fighting rich people.

Like, I don't really care, but like, let's go.

He can afford to pay the loss.

But it's more so that he's like in hospice, like, leave this man alone.

Yeah, that's crazy.

But I just think it's fascinating that that's where her fortune comes.

And then she, you know, she married very well.

So Cameron Wescott's doing just fine post-real house lives in Dallas.

Good.

1-800.

Did you watch?

I did.

It was good.

Because our production company, actually, that made

summer house made Dallas.

Got it.

I think like they deserved more.

No, there was, Brandy had a lot to give and they didn't, they didn't execute it.

Yeah, they didn't explore it enough.

Same with Leanne Locken.

Now, she had to be fired for a multitude of reasons, and I agree with them, but we would be lying if we sat here and said she wasn't a star.

A star?

They're just

hand.

Her boyfriend that wore an eye patch.

Oh, yeah, what was his name, Rick?

He was a cop.

I mean, just no.

TV gold.

TV gold is this moment.

Season one, episode one.

Okay.

We meet all the women besides Leanne.

Yeah.

And they're all talking about Leanne.

They say, Leanne,

she's the woman to know.

Leanne, you want to be on her good side.

She runs this town.

It's all these millionaire women with their Chanel bags, millionaire.

Leanne, we're afraid of Leanne.

Cut to Leanne.

We see her for the first time.

I remember my jaw drop.

Not that there's anything wrong, but she lives in this like tiny house.

And I'm like, why are all these incredibly well-connected, rich 1-800 flowers women?

Why are they afraid?

What power does she have?

Yeah.

They're like, in the charity world, it's Leanne Lockin.

I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see Leigh Ann's house.

I'm like, let's go.

I'm like, it's just a regular house.

I was floored.

That was like a jaw-dropping moment.

And I found out later that because the pilot of Real House Fies of Dallas wasn't supposed to be Real House Fies of Dallas.

It was supposed to be a show about like wealthy women in Dallas, but all about like the charity world.

And that's why every other word on the first episode of Real House Rise of Dallas is charity.

Yeah.

Charity this, charity that.

I'm like, who cares about charity?

No, literally, I felt so bad.

I was like, it's enough.

We get it.

It's nice.

Like, I know that's what rich women do.

They do.

Yeah, for sure.

But that's not what the Real Housewives is about.

Maybe once, maybe once every season, there's a charity event.

Right.

But that's not the point.

Right.

Like, we have enough homeless, toothless.

It was like, you know, like.

Homeless, toothless.

Like, we get it.

Yeah, like, in New Jersey, they have Dolores' annual baseball game to raise money for breast cancer, which is amazing.

No, we love that.

In Beverly Hills, they have Homeless, Not Toothless.

And in New York Housewives, the old one, they had that woman who lived in a shelter, and Ramona and Sonia wouldn't let her get a word in, and they forgot her name.

That was the best moment of my life.

Her name was like

Birdie or something.

Birdie, like a purple bridge or something.

That was an iconic moment that people don't replay it.

It's not a popular enough one, but actually, a friend of mine over the

last year has been wanting to get into Bravo.

So she watched Beverly Hills and she's like, What should I watch next?

I'm like, You have to watch New York.

Yeah.

And she keeps sending me like clips of her TV of like mostly Alex McCord moments.

And honestly, I'm getting such an itch.

I need

New York City is

unparalleled.

She's at the part where Alex McCord is like taking her modeling career really seriously.

And she's doing like hip-hop dance classes to just like learn to be in music video sets.

I need to re-watch it.

Simon also was...

The love of my life.

He was too

like too good for his time.

Like they weren't appreciated in their own time.

And I saw somebody tweet once, like, recently, that if Alex and Simon McCord were on right now, they would be so well liked because they were like edgy Brooklyn.

They're like, We don't need to live in Manhattan.

But like in the early 2000s, we're like, No, you need to live in Manhattan.

Yeah, and like, and now Brooklyn is like so nice, and they would be so popular now.

But I re-watched like the early two, three seasons during COVID, and I forgot that they were living in this like actual construction dungeon.

Like, Jill comes over and she's like, You're living in this?

Like, was that actually?

Lou Ann says, like, her shoes are like Herman Munster shoes.

That's a little bit later.

She's like, Oh, is that a buffalo coming down the stairs?

You came down in your Herman Munster shoes.

They were Louis Vuitton.

Well, even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes so I'm like she was so iconic remember when she um yelled at Bethany for not making her chauffeur call Bethany Mrs.

Frankl she lets the chauffeur call her Bethany no she was like actually awful when she was Luann or Alex Luanne okay Luanne they get to get into a car with like this driver who Bethany knows and he's calling her Bethany yes yes yes and she's like Bethany, you should really be calling you Mrs.

Frankl.

My favorite was when she went to Miami and she went to go look at a poster of herself, like and none of the other women went went with her.

She was in her hustle era then because she was no longer married.

She was rebuilding like a business.

She was going on tour.

And her tour actually ended up in, like, extremely successful.

She was playing like big theaters.

She was a very good person.

She had a star.

And she was like a little full of herself.

But you know what?

She had every right to be.

She was like a woman scorned and she was out on her own, you know.

hustling for a dollar for her family.

They did an episode like where did the housewives come from?

Like in like their chest.

Hers was actually fascinating and extremely impressive.

Like the things she had accomplished, modeling, pageants, like living different places, and very, yeah, like a go-getter.

Yeah.

No, you're right.

Like, there's more to these women, but there's like a few women, especially from New York, who I just identify with, like, and love.

Like, Luanne can never do anything that would make me dislike her.

Yeah.

I just, I ride for her.

Yeah, I love Luanne.

But so back to Cameron Westcott, like, I just think not enough people know that the man Katy Perry is suing is Cameron Westcott's dad, and he founded 1-800 Flowers.

I just think that was information everybody knew.

Yeah,

more people should be talking about this.

And that's what we do.

But that's why you're our leader.

That's what we do here at the Toast Page.

Oh my God, this has been such a long episode.

Paige, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for having me.

If you enjoyed what you heard here, which I can't imagine you didn't, listen to Paige's podcast.

She hosts it with Hannah Berner.

It's called Giggly Squad, and it's just, it's a giggle fest.

Yeah, it is.

It's really happening.

It's a little bit of a thing over there.

And if you're inspired by Paige's just overall fabulosity, follow her on Instagram.

I want to say Paige underscore Dysorbo.

Why not?

What happened?

What's with the underscore?

By the way, whenever there's a guest on, at the end, I'm like promoting them, and then I grill them for their handles.

I'm like, why space?

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Woo-hoo!

That's my favorite part.

I know.

Have you ever seen on TikTok where that one crazy.

Oh, are we done?

I have to say bye.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought you were still talking on the podcast.