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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the Toast Enda.

Happy.

I'm going to do a little jazz scat version.

Friday, scuba, doop, dot, down on Friday.

All right, that didn't work the way that I wanted to do.

No, happy Friday.

That the podcast is skipping.

Yeah.

No, seriously, they are.

You guys, the podcast isn't skipping.

The toast is here, and it's Friday, finally, the longest, shortest week of all time.

You know what doesn't make sense?

This week.

This week.

Yeah, no, we need to put this week behind us.

Like, we thought it was going to be something that it wasn't.

So true.

Like, we kind of were hoodwinked.

Yeah.

But now we know and we've learned and we can move forward with these lessons.

And we can do better.

We can do better for next year.

And I think we're also anxious to get the week over with because of Turdy Lou's birthday.

So true.

So we can get this, you know, really truly treacherous milestone and put it behind us.

No, so we can enjoy the festivities to the fullest.

Turdy Lou is 29 and still growing up now.

Facts.

Facts.

Today is also more importantly, not to make everything about me, so I won't.

Today is Olivia's birthday.

Our eldest sister, our wisest sister, our most beautiful sister, she doesn't even listen to the podcast and she's taking like a little vacation for her birthday.

So she's certainly not supporting her sisters while on vacation, but on the off chance that she sees this or hears this.

Sorry, just hears today's audio only.

Olivia.

Happy birthday

to

you.

Happy birthday to you.

I won't torture everyone with the whole song, but happy birthday, Olivia.

We love you.

We do love you.

And I actually think she will listen today to see if we talked about her and her best.

I know this is like the pot calling the kettle black, but our sisters are so self-involved.

Like the way they only listen to the podcast when we talk about them.

Like, we're hilarious.

We provide other value.

No, but she loves the show and she does watch when she has the time.

So it's, I don't have a bone to pick with her, quite like the snitch.

The snitch, who is so poised to be a toaster, yet

so chooses.

Like she's always has AirPods in.

She's always working.

She could do a little like split screen toast.

She's also like obsessed with pop culture.

Olivia really isn't.

So you're right.

Like if Margot wasn't our sister, she would be a toaster.

And the fact that she is our sister and she's not, like, that's fucking rude.

It is.

We should launch another podcast like under aliases.

Yes.

It's like still fire flames, same deal.

And watch how she would listen.

That is a really interesting proposition, and I'm extremely down for it.

Let's do all that work just to get our sister to listen to us.

To notice us.

If you have a little sis, like, you know, that's actually not the craziest idea.

So true.

Well, happy birthday, Olivia.

And it's also Speak Now TV Day.

It is Speak Now TV Day.

And what's so interesting, like if Olivia was a Swifty, she would be quaking is, you know, there's so many numbers in, you know, Taylor Swift is much like gematria if you know what that is um there's so many numbers in the taylor swift universe that have important meaning um in speak now there's a few numbers that are dates ages you know that july 9th the beat of your heart july 9th is a big day for the swifty community um the age 32 is a big day for the speak now community so the fact that olivia's birthday is the day that speak now came out comes out and she's 32 and still growing up now she can't even appreciate it i'm so jealous.

You should just like write her a caption that.

I did.

Or like a birthday caption for her to post that encapsulates these things and just be like, by the way, free idea.

People will love it.

If she listens to this episode, here's your caption, Olivia.

32 and still growing up now.

Like that's the lyric.

Period.

That's the caption.

Okay, I love that.

Do we have a story about Speak Now TV?

We have a story about the news that Speak Now TV is making.

So we'll put all of our thoughts into that so far.

All of our thoughts and prayers and I did not stay up.

So I've been listening for like the last 20, 25 minutes.

And what I don't like to do is to listen to an album out of order, but I've been forced to do that so that I could listen to like the key songs, you know, The Vaults, the Better Than Revenge, and my favorite song from the album, Dear John.

Oh, okay.

So I went in the order of I immediately went to Better Than Revenge.

Then I went to Last Kiss to see if the shaky breath was there.

Spoiler alert, it was not.

What does that mean?

So, in Last Kiss, on the first version of Speak Now, the now stolen version,

in the bridge.

Is that what the fans are calling the old versions, the stolen version?

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Now it's called like stolen version, scooter version, like stolen version.

It's SV.

SV, exactly.

In the bridge of Last Kiss,

let me think exactly where it is.

It's like Taylor Swift, and she actually has said recently this week that Last Kiss is the saddest song she's ever written.

And she's so young when she's singing it on the original track.

She's like, clearly, there's like a lot of emotion in it.

And in the bridge, um,

she has this like really shaky breath right before it's like really sad.

It sounds like she's about to cry, and people were like, I hope she recreates the shaky breath.

It's a very small detail that the Swifty community became obsessed with.

It goes like you guys winner.

I hope the sun shines and it's a beautiful day.

And something reminds you you wish you had stayed.

You can plan for a change in the weather and time.

But I never planned on you changing your mind.

It wasn't like that.

I was just trying to make the microphone pick up.

It's like,

so.

And there was no shaky breath on Last Kiss.

Oh, you know, that is such a good song.

Yeah, it's really one of her best.

I was talking to the snatchler the other day and she just like couldn't possibly see where I was coming from.

And I'm so happy for the Swifty community.

And, you know, I feel like a lot of like diehard Swifties these days are younger than

some of the olders.

But like when Speak Now came out, Speak Now Stolen Version, I was 18, like prime girlhood,

you know, all of those things.

And this album is just like so.

much a part of like my young adult life.

Like Kristen just texted me like about a memory from us listening to Speak Now.

and I'm just like the whole album is memories for me and Margo was like it was for me too I'm like but you were 12.

No by the way facts but you were 12 like who were you kissing with your last kiss no I just Mark okay now I know Margo is gonna listen to today's episode because I have something crazy to say

Margo is a huge swifty And I don't want to de, you know, delegitimize that.

I'm scared.

But Margo became like an insane Swifty like a few years ago.

Like, let's just call it what it is.

Like, I just want to say, like,

even though, like, we clown on you because you're not, like, as diehard as us, like, you and I were like in high school listening.

Like, Margo, like, knew Taylor Swift, of course, and like, listened to a lot of her music, especially through us.

But she became like staying up until midnight type of girl, like a few years ago.

A hundred percent.

I feel like she would maybe admit that.

I mean, who knows what she used to do with like her password secret journal, but no, but I remember like the months when Margo like became an activated Swifty.

Like, I remember noticing, and we were adults.

I was like, oh, yes, I want to be like, you know, it was like

recent history.

Yeah, I want to say it might even be like lover.

Oh, no, you know what?

Maybe reputation.

Yeah, but you're not going to like what I have to say.

And I honestly don't know if I should even say it to like this episode on

this foot.

Say it.

Like, you became an activated Swifty

in

recent memory.

And I would say reputation.

Okay, ready?

Ready?

I can rebut that's such a lie, first of all.

Because where did we go for my 21st birthday?

Yeah, we went to the Taylor Swift concert because that's like a fun thing to do for your birthday.

No, because I was a diehard Swifty, even in 1989.

Like I have been here.

I have been here for an extremely long time.

Like I own all the albums.

Like I was listening on top of my iPod.

You were a fan of her music in the same way that I was, but like you didn't become like, you know, activated Swifty, staying up till midnight, like laying your life on the line for Taylor until I would say reputation era.

That's just such a lie.

Like, that's such a lie.

Such a lie.

Okay.

Like, explain how I literally, oh my God, no.

The way I used to stream, well, not stream, listen on a loop to Mary's song, oh my, my, my, from debut.

Like, I was there from the beginning.

You were always a fan of her music like in the same way that i was i would i would even accept that we were the same level of fans of her music but i am not an activated swifty and that's a road that you went down

i guess what would it be now like six years ago okay fine i'll allow the slander to to assess that yes around 1989 i became like demonic fine yeah and you like started a swifty a fan account and

you started participating in like Swifty things.

I was on like Tumblr Swifty, like briefly before that, but okay, fine, sure.

That's all I'm saying, sure.

What I was saying about Margo was like, you know what?

I'm not getting into this because Margo's gonna be mad at me for like, you know, trying to like be competitive and saying that, like, I invented Taylor Swift.

Yeah, anyways, all I was saying is, bitch, you were 12.

Like, who were you kissing?

Bitch, you were 12.

And

so we ever left.

I'm excited to listen to the whole album, Relive the Memories.

I also am excited to dive into the story where we talk about Speak Now, because I have like kind of a hot take.

I can't wait to hear it.

I mean, we could dilly-dally for a while, which is always funny.

We could.

But the stories, like, I do feel like we need to get into Speak Now TV.

The rest of the stories are really good, and then we're going to recap Kardashians with the fifth and final story because we have some Kardashian news.

So, and I have a notes app list of bullet points that things I want to talk about while like Kardashians was an amazing episode.

I actually had to write things things down for what I needed to remember.

That's so exciting.

Yeah.

Okay, so if there's nothing else.

If there's nothing else.

I think we could get into the fast-life stories that you need to know.

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First story,

Speak Now, Taylor's version is here.

Headline news is that she has changed the misogynistic lyrics on Better Than Revenge.

We all know in the original track from 2010, she said, She's not a saint and she's not what you think she's an actress.

Whoa,

she's better known for the things that she does on the mattress.

Whoa.

However, for this version, she swapped out the latter part of the verse with, He was a moth to the flame.

She was holding the matches.

Whoa.

That was terrible.

That was really off-bench.

That was weird.

Okay, wait, hold on.

Let me do the whole lyric.

She's not a saint and she's not what you think she's an actress.

Whoa.

He was a moth to a flame.

She was holding the matches.

Whoa.

Okay.

Our girl is struggling.

Why is it so hard for me to do that?

Well, I do want to say, like, this lyric was leaked.

Um, and I could not figure out like how it fit into the iambic pantometer.

I was like, he won the mom.

And now when I heard it, it totally fits.

It is like a strange lyric.

It's not, it doesn't really fit in my opinion, but I'm just more so angry that our girl changed the lyric and i get it you know those were different times like that's what we used to do we used to just like shame other women and we don't do that anymore especially taylors you know a proud feminist like i get it i'm so angry i'm so hurt i'm so disappointed that this lyric is gone not because i like crave slut shaming but like my god who fucking cares like it was literally 10 years ago She hasn't changed one singular lyric on any of the re-recordings.

And like,

I get why she did it, but like, come on.

It's such an iconic lyric.

Also, like, these, these albums are like time capsules.

So, like, her re-recording them and not changing a single thing.

At first, I was like, oh, this is boring, like, these re-records.

But it's actually, it's what's, it's what should be done.

And it's what, it's what's meant to be done so that we can continue to listen to all of our favorite, you know, teenage songs.

But, you know, they're a Taylor's version and they remain unchanged.

I, I hate this.

I can't lie.

I hate.

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from.

I also understand why she did it.

I feel like it would be so incongruous to who she is now to like double down on the mattress dig.

Yeah.

But they are time capsules.

And I feel like it just sets this precedent of like, okay, so now if I have like a problem with any lyric, like is Taylor going to change that for me?

Right.

Right.

I'm just.

I heard rumors about it, but I'm like, there's no way.

Because I remember when we were talking about her first re-release, Fearless.

I thought maybe she was going to change a lyric

to, I think it's in That's the Way I Loved You.

Oh, he talk, wait, he's close to my mother and talks business with my father.

And before we knew she wasn't going to change anything ever in these re-records, I'm like, I could see her actually flipping those roles because like women, you know, men, business, whatever.

But she didn't.

So she's just kind of set the precedent for like

nothing changes.

Yeah.

But now.

And now something's changed.

Now the precedent has changed is what's changed.

Yeah, I'm not thrilled with it.

And you know who I blame?

Who?

Gloria Steinem.

I saw people on Twitter are blaming Lena Dunham.

Her too.

Yeah.

I just.

Like, it's okay.

Not everything has to be like perfect in PC.

Like, you can be problematic when you were a teenager who was angry about a girl who stole your boyfriend.

Like, you're, it's okay.

Right.

And also, like, this isn't going to change anything.

Like, that girl, the actress, she's finished regardless.

Camilla Bell, go to her Instagram.

I went last night at the comments.

The Swifties are deeply unwell people.

Are they mad at her?

Yeah, like, not you making us change better than revenge lyrics.

Oh, my God.

They're not okay.

Like, literally, that girl's career was never the same after this song.

Never the same.

And not the Swifties, like, victim blaming.

No, literally, they're wrong.

Categorically,

wrong.

No, 100%.

They're incredibly unwell.

Yeah.

So I just heard the damage.

The damage is done, is what it is, you know?

What is the damage?

It's done.

So

you might as well.

You might as well.

Okay, now let's talk about the album in general.

Here is my incredibly hot take.

When I, okay, so I remember with like fearless and red, when I listened to the re-recording, specifically, which one came first?

Fearless, right?

Yeah.

I remember feeling like kind of let down when I first started listening to the non-vault songs because I'm like, this sounds exactly the same.

And then, you know, with a little perspective, I was like, good, these songs should sound the same.

We want to be able to like stream these feeling good, but like being able to have that element of nostalgia.

They did not sound different at all.

Yeah, it's like she's making a moment out of these re-recordings, but they're really just meant to like replace the songs in your playlist.

Yes.

So that the scooter's not making the money.

Yes.

So I expected the same type of feeling.

Am I the the only one who feels like Speak Now?

Taylor's version sounds so different.

Her voice is clearly so mature, but that really wasn't an issue for Fearless and Red.

And Fearless was when she was even younger.

So like I was like, what is going on?

And I just, I don't know, this one didn't.

It just feels, it feels weird.

I can't explain it.

Like, I haven't listened to enough to say yes or no, but Snitch did post like her favorite song in the world is Long Live.

And she like said Long Live was not long living, That Taylor sounds kind of angry and it's not as magical as the original version.

And like certain, like very small, subtle changes like on how long she holds a note or she just kind of changes the pitch a little bit.

Like she was making changes on Speak Now.

Like why?

And I also felt like I listened to Better Than Revenge to hear the new lyric and I felt like

it was almost like rushed a little bit.

I feel like she was like rushing through the lyrics, like kind of like tossaways.

Yeah, I don't know.

There's something off that feels off about Speak Now TV, which I, and I can't precisely put my finger on it.

Hmm.

But I will say, and why I always wait up.

I wouldn't wait up till midnight to hear the same songs I've heard 30 times.

I wait up for the Vault songs.

And the Vault songs are really interesting.

I think there's like five or six with Paramore.

Well, not Paramore, Haley Williams and Fallout Boy.

And Ben was listening with me and he loves that type of music.

So we were listening together.

He loved the Fallout Boy one.

It's called Electric Touch.

It's so like rocker, you know?

and the Haley Williams one like kind of flopped.

Me and Ben were like, this is so not Paramour.

And it's not supposed to be Paramore because it's on Taylor's album, but like you would hope when two people collab, like they bring their energies.

I don't know.

I really did not like the

the Haley Williams one, but and I don't see enough people talking about when Emma falls in love.

Like that to me is a pristine work of art.

And I think a lot of people believe it to be about Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield because I think Emma and Taylor were like really close during Speak Now era.

And that's when she like fell in love with Andrew Garfield, Spider-Man, etc.

And it's really like such a cute, beautiful song.

And a lot of the vault songs are like extremely long, like four or five minutes, which I love.

A lot of the songs on this album are long.

It was just like a long-winded album.

Last Kiss is like six minutes.

Yeah.

Dear John, I think is like seven.

Yeah.

It's a long-winded album.

It's an amazing album.

Yeah.

I didn't listen to the Paramore one yet, but what is the reasoning for collabbing with Paramore and Fallout Boy on this album?

Like she could do it with any artist.

Like, what is the backstory?

Do you know?

I don't know, but I feel like the collabs on the Vault tracks are, like, symbolic of where Taylor was at musically during that time.

So, like, with, you know, Fearless, she had Keith Urban and Marin Morris.

Like, she was clearly doing a country album.

With Red, she had Chris Stapleton.

I think that's it.

Right?

Yeah.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know what that means.

Right.

But with this one, like, Taylor was like growing up.

And a lot of the

songs on Speak Now are like very rockery a little bit.

They like haunted.

And I feel like that was like what Taylor was listening to as like inspo during that time.

Like emo angsty.

Yeah, giving like secondhand serenade energy, you know?

Do you think if Panic at the Disco was still together, they would have gotten that track?

No, because Taylor's done like a lot of, like a big song with Brendan Urey.

Right, but she loves him.

He's one of her, he's one of her guys.

He is, but they haven't like been publicly linked in a while.

And I do believe there were some like weird accusations made about Brendan Urey.

So maybe she's just like taking a step back.

Interesting.

It's impossible to keep up.

Yeah, but I think people have been begging for a Fallout Boy Taylor Swift collab ever since they performed together at the Victoria Seeker Fashion Show.

She came out and performed.

Ladders keep lighting with that bump.

So about another pretty angels.

Two scars from tomorrow that I wish you could see that you're the antidote to everything except for me.

When did she perform with them?

Was it during Speak Now times?

It was.

Or no, was she like 1989?

No.

Oh, yes, she sang style.

Okay.

Oh, no, she's saying I knew you were trouble.

Wait, hold on.

She performed

at the

I Knew You Were Trouble.

What year?

2013.

Speak Now

came out when?

2010.

2010.

Yeah.

So no.

Okay.

Unrelated.

Just a fun fact.

Unrelated.

Yeah, but I have to imagine that the choices for collabs is indicative of where Taylor was at during that time.

Like what was she inspired by?

Yeah.

Well, also being influenced by her today because

she's not going to work with people that she wouldn't stand by today.

Yes.

So I've only

listened to the Vault Tracks like fully twice.

It's literally been, I've been awake for two hours since Taylor, to Speak Now came out.

Like, give me a break.

Yeah, no, it's a lot.

Everyone's like, rate your vault tracks.

I'm like, shut up.

I know.

That's the hard part about being in this, in the fandom.

I know.

The pressure.

It gets to be too much.

Well, it's an exciting day for Swifties, and it'll be a fun weekend reliving.

I mean, nothing will ever be better than like the red re-release.

That just, maybe because it was all too well 10-minute version, like, it just gave us

so much I bet you think about me music video there was so much given

yeah I mean I was like kind of hoping for like a dear John 10 minute version you know I feel like she could go on I feel

yeah

but I don't think she wants to do that to John like that would do exactly what all too well 10 minute version did to Jake because we got new new information to be up mad about

Also, have you seen that John Mayer is like opening on tour for Ed Sheeran?

Yeah.

Which feels like Taylor gave her blessing.

No?

Like, I don't think Ed Sheeran would go behind her back and do that.

Yeah.

That's not so crazy to me that she would be like moved on.

Over it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hopefully.

Or maybe they'll get back together.

I was really hoping Half of My Heart would be a vault song with featuring John Mayer, you know?

Yeah.

That's like the worst part of what John did to Taylor.

Like neither one of them ever acknowledges the absolute masterpiece that they created together.

Half of my heart is a shot gonna wedding to a bride with a paper ring.

Ooh.

Half of my heart is the part of a man who's never truly loved anything.

So good.

So good.

So enjoy speak now this weekend.

If anyone has any further thoughts, feel free to share.

Please, please too.

Including you, Turtleoo.

I will.

I mean, my God, can I get some time?

I know.

Well, everyone, calm down.

We'll regroup on Tuesday.

I've only been here for two fucking days.

But it's also like a fun little birthday treat for you.

It is.

It's treaty vibes.

And I feel like there's still more surprises coming.

You know, she doesn't just release, there's probably music videos, maybe.

And at the concert, maybe someone's coming out.

Right, right, right.

Maybe Haley Williams.

Y'all out, boy.

Yeah.

Yeah, I would love that.

But she usually gives people more time to learn her new songs before she plays them.

Like she released Hits Different and played it like a few weeks later.

She likes people to be able to chant the lyrics, which I wholeheartedly appreciate.

Yeah, but you know if you're going to her next show, like they are on AZ lyrics right now.

Study.

Studying.

Study.

They are studying.

I'm not pulling all-nighters.

Yeah.

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I woke up to a couple phone calls.

Something did happen a little bit when I was walking with some of the security team to some restaurant.

We were in a hall and there was a lot of people, so people were calling me, obviously.

He recalled hearing one person call his name repeatedly, but did not stop after being told by security that stopping would make a large crowd form.

He said, that person grabbed me from behind.

I didn't see what happened because I was walking straight and they told me don't stop.

But that person grabbed me from behind, grabbed on my shoulder.

She grabbed me from behind.

So I just know that security pushed her away.

I don't know.

I don't know with how much force, but security pushed her away.

I didn't stop to look.

So I kept walking and enjoyed a nice dinner.

He didn't know that it was Britney Spears until a few hours later.

I have like so many thoughts.

And my first thought was like, I cannot hear this story about Victor Webb and Yama because Ben's best friend's name is Victor Weberman.

And I'm like, what is Victor doing in Vegas?

Okay, first of all.

Second of all, I'm like, why?

I was asking Ben a thousand questions because I'm like, why the fuck would Brittany know?

Like, I never heard of this person.

I'm like, why would any, why would Brittany know who this random NBA player was?

And Ben's like, he's not random.

He's like the next LeBron.

He's 7'6.

He's like so major.

I'm like, okay, that makes more sense.

Okay.

If like, you're even remotely into basketball, you would know.

Like, I know who LeBron James is, you know?

So

I get that.

Now,

I don't understand why like anyone's security would slap someone.

Like, I understand like maybe shoving or like holding them back, but like a slap, that's like what you do to your sister when she steals your jeans.

Yeah, but I feel like it could be, honestly, it's giving like Sheena and Markel.

It's like, was it a shove, a slap, an elbow?

There's a lot of different ways to describe like the forceful push of someone.

Yeah.

So I don't know that it's like a slap across the face like you think.

Okay, yeah.

I was I was thinking actually more, I was also thinking of Ender Pump Rules reference when Stasi backhanded Chris and Dodie.

They were sitting next to each other in that booth.

Yeah, but like if you took your, if you palmed someone's like shoulder and pushed them, like, is that a slap on the shoulder?

Kind of.

So I think it's just like the language.

Yeah.

And Britney's like so funny, like just going up to someone.

Like you have your own security.

Why don't you like arrange a meeting, you know?

No, it's such she just got excited.

An odd story.

It's incredibly bizarre.

I hope Brittany is like okay.

Yeah.

I don't know what to think here.

This is just confusion central.

Like,

and what?

I guess, like, I don't know, who doesn't recognize Britney Spears?

He wasn't looking, but also, the security guards, you know, I guess it's like on them.

But still, if they saw it's Britney Spears, they're gonna, there's already a crowd following him.

They're gonna stop everyone, like, bring Britney into the fold.

Now it's not just like, oh my god, it's Victor, it's Britney too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Britney was just like roaming around these restaurants, like kind of unattended.

I guess.

The stories, like, get just, the more you think about it, it's like so, it's so many questions.

Right.

And, like, Brittany, being a very public figure herself, would know, like, if you're walking with security, like, and you try to touch someone, like, it's not going to go your way.

Yeah, but she's Brittany, so she's like, no one's going to touch me.

Yeah.

Perhaps.

It's very bizarre.

It is.

I hope that they can, you know, have a reprochma and Britney can get her fangirl moment.

Her photo with Victor Webinyama.

Yeah.

Wishing everyone the best.

Agreed.

Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm.

Vanderpump Rural star Ariana Maddox will be joining Dancing with the Stars

next season 32.

This season on Dancing with the Stars, we are going absolutely mad.

Mad for Maddox.

It's season 32.

So growing up now.

Derek Huff said, introducing her, he said, say goodbye to the drama and hello to the dance floor.

This was like heavily speculated, like while the whole scandal thing was like at its peak.

And then a few days ago, Derek Huff was at something about her.

They were like filming some stuff.

So they did not keep this a secret very well.

And I feel like they actually usually keep the Dancing with the Stars cast.

Like, they keep that secret very well.

Yeah.

Well, who knows who the rest of the cast is, but I also feel like sometimes they'd like to have like a couple teasers to get you interested in listening to who the other people are.

Yeah, I don't watch Dancing with the the Stars, especially after they moved off cable.

So this is like cool for Ariana, but

I don't know.

I feel like she's honestly like more famous now than Dancing with the Stars.

Yeah, but I still think it's like probably a really cool experience and a challenge.

I feel like everyone who does it like comes out of it as if they just trained for the Marines.

And not in like

a dramatic way.

Like there's something about it that's like extremely challenging for people.

There's something about her.

Sorry.

I'm so curious who the rest of the cast is going to be, who her partner is going to be, maybe a love match.

Maybe a love match.

She has a boyfriend right now, and they're like, you know,

loved up.

Yeah.

But I just don't feel like she should really be tied down because like she's in her season.

She's in her season.

She's more famous than she's ever been.

Like maybe she could date someone like famous.

Yeah.

Wouldn't that be fun?

Yeah.

Even just a little flang.

Even just a little flang.

This is good for her.

I like this.

And you're right.

People do always come off of

dancing with the stars.

Like they're extremely fit, always.

Oh, yeah.

And they've got like injuries and bruises to prove it.

No, and it's like either you gut out like week one, two, or three, and you're like, oh my God, you know, I'm a titan of industry, but that was the hardest thing I've ever done.

Yep.

Or you go till the end and you are like extremely fit, swole, six-pack.

Like you're going to do the Olympics next.

Yeah.

Or like, if you literally had like four pounds to lose, they put you on the cover of People Magazine being like, the Dancing with the Stars diet changed my life.

Honestly, I need the Dancing with the Stars diet.

Honestly, whenever I watch even one second of Dancing with the Stars, I'm like, I would never fucking do this.

Like, the way that their feet are bleeding and they're up at that forlorn studio like at 6 a.m.

every day until show day, like kill me.

No, that's something I would do.

That's like

you're up for the challenge?

I'm up for the challenge, and I think I would enjoy it.

And then like the weight weight loss, like wouldn't hurt.

Of course.

Neither would being called the star.

Neither would, you know, the platform.

Neither would the platform.

Even though it's not on cable, like I would still do it.

Yeah, yeah.

Prefer it on cable, though.

Being in millions of homes.

But I'd really do it for the weight loss.

That's funny.

I would really do it for the followers.

Yeah, that's good too.

Like the fame, like you, like you, there's a cult who watches Dancing with the Stars, and then then they come and like see you on tour and shit.

Like, yeah, that's what I want.

Yeah, yeah.

I think it would be good for business.

There's a lot of perks.

Having said that, like if I ever got offered, like I would really have to think about it.

You would have to do it, bitch.

I know, but like honestly, I don't think I could.

I think you could.

I think you would be like one of those people and then you start talking about how you surprised yourself.

Right.

No, kind of like pickleball.

You learned so much about yourself and this has just been like an amazing journey for you and you're so grateful.

Or I would take the Lisa Vanderpump route route and like fake an illness so I could go home.

I wouldn't let you.

I'd expose you.

I know you wouldn't.

I know you wouldn't.

You would do like a podcast expose.

I would like get a video of you like walking totally fine.

I'd be like, she's fine.

Walking to the kitchen for a snack.

And I would say, I would expose you if you quit.

Literally.

Look, she's been tampering with the competition.

What are sisters for, if not to keep you honest?

To hold you accountable.

Literally.

Literally.

Oh, having said that, please don't ask me to come on.

No one is.

Ask her.

No, please.

Okay.

Well, good luck to Ariana.

They're filming Vanner Pump Royals now, so like, I wonder if there'll be crossover.

Not a huge deal.

It's in LA, but Tom Sandoval is filming.

There were like rumors, but he is filming.

Yeah, he had like a sit-down combo with Schwartz at Tom Tom, it looked like.

They also like have been filming a lot at Tom Tom and like Ariana went.

Yeah, I mean, that's the biz.

Yeah.

I wonder if Tom Tom is suffering.

Well, you know, pump closed.

Pump closed, but they're like funneling a lot of the pump personnel and tings into Tom Tom.

Yeah.

But I never thought about what this would mean for TomTom because Schwartz and Sandy's is obviously like taking it.

It was in the moment right now.

Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like

people literally know that Tom and Tom are are 5% and they don't really see a return from Tom Tom.

And it's more so like a hallmark of the show and Lisa Vanderpump.

So I feel like people can separate the two.

But maybe it's time for a rebrand.

Yeah.

Perhaps.

That would be crazy.

Yeah.

I don't think that it would happen though because Lisa's like stood by them and Tom Tom's worked well for her.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes, ma'am.

Tracy Chapman speaks out about Luke Hombs' fast car cover.

She says, I'm happy.

So this is actually a really great story because Luke Hombs' cover of Fast Car has hit number one on Billboard's Country Airplay this week.

And it actually makes Tracy Chapman the first black woman as the sole writer to top the country airplay charts since its debut

in 1990.

Yeah, she told Billboard, I never expected to find myself on the country charts, but I'm honored to be there.

there.

I'm happy for Luke and his success and grateful that new fans have found and embraced Fast Car.

On top of being the first artist to drive Fast Car to a number one spot, he also earned number two on the Billboard Hot 100 this week, where Tracy's original version of the song peaked at number six.

Plus, Billboard estimated that Tracy has already earned approximately half a million dollars in publishing royalties since his album dropped in March.

Wow.

I mean, this, the story of this song in general is just like so impressive, how it's really become timeless.

And like a lot of DJs have done like remixes of it.

Like, it really feel like every few years reaches like a new generation of people.

And Luke Hombs is obviously doing his part for the song.

And it's such a gorgeous song.

And it's a song that so many celebrities have wanted to cover.

And for some reason, you know, Tracy Chapman gave her blessing to Luke Hombs.

And I don't think maybe she even really knew that it would do all of this.

But this is just a fabulous story.

Yeah, it is a really nice story.

I also don't think it was like a single or anything.

So it's just

having its moment.

Having its moment, like genuine interest and word of mouth, not even like the machine pushing it there.

It's just like a great song, a great artist.

A grassroots movement.

A grassroots movement, even though I'm not a part of the movement.

Yeah, I know, because you actually don't like the version.

But I love the news that it's making.

Like, I love this.

I love when, you know, something from 20, 30 years ago, like, that already had its shine, like, shines even brighter.

Yeah, that happens a lot with TikTok.

Like, these songs go viral.

Do you know the Kate Bush song, Running Up That Hill?

Yeah, you've told me about it.

And then it was in Stranger Things or something.

Yeah, like it's a song from maybe the 80s or 90s.

And it was like popular back then.

And it literally hit like the billboard top 10 last year because kids on TikTok discovered it.

You finally could.

And then it was in, yeah, Stranger Things.

Like, it's cool.

Yeah, it is cool.

Teaching the youth.

And it's cool to be recognized again, you know?

Yeah, for, from like a whole new generation of people.

That's called timelessness.

And I feel that way all the time.

It's like so many songs that came out so long ago like are still so amazing.

Like they don't have to go in the garbage can.

Right.

We just like cycle through music so quickly these days.

So it's nice when we stop and you know take a look back at where we came from.

Totally.

It's beautiful.

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Our fifth and final story: new skim swim campaign stars Jenny McCarthy and Carmen Elektra.

They're reuniting for the new sexy campaign, the 90s icons, posed in skim swimwear, in a shoot that captures the sizzling heat of the summer and also like the sizzling heat of these 90s icons.

No, and these bodies, oh my god, bodies, so they look amazing, They look amazing.

I literally would, like, had to like re-watch it because I was like, was this shot today?

They look so unreal.

They're like rockin' bods and it's just giving the energy of the 90s.

And Skims always does really topical campaigns.

Yeah.

But this to me just like hit different.

The former MTV icons and dirty love co-stars have reunited in a shoot that captures the sexiness and fun of summer and the women's agelessness.

In the just released photos, they posed together watching a sports car, holding electric guitars, and eating ice cream all while in Skim Swimwear.

It was also giving like Carls Jr.

Yes, by the way, that's an amazing call.

I was also like confused.

Everyone was like, these two are reuniting.

I'm like, what were they on together?

Like, I didn't know that they had a thing together.

What was it?

You just said MTV girls and dirty love co-stars.

I don't know what that is.

Yeah, but I've never heard of dirty love.

Like, I feel like it would be like Melrose Place or something like that.

No, by the way, I was like, were these two on Beverly Hills Nanojuano?

Or like

it's giving Carls Jr.

I also just want to say like something I so appreciate about Skims is like they really do the most to be like incredibly inclusive without sacrificing like

the glamorousness.

I feel like when brands want to be relatable They have like you know models with no makeup and like yeah, why do they why why why does it have to be inclusive and lose that element of like fabulousness?

It's like so real.

All of a sudden

it's so ugly and hairy and smelly.

Yeah, like what is that?

And I feel like Skims does such a good job of being like

gender inclusive, size inclusive, age inclusive, race inclusive.

And it's like, it's not giving like that corny, inclusive vibe.

You know what I mean?

Yes, totally.

But then when you think on it, it's like, oh yeah, I guess these women like wouldn't have been tapped for a bathing suit campaign right now.

But like, I'm glad they were.

Right.

Like, I think that's such an underappreciated

element of the brand where it's like in this day and age people, you know, will have these campaigns that like check certain boxes, but I don't know, but it doesn't make me feel like fabulous.

But I feel like with every single Skims one, I feel like she just did the Ice Spice one and then she had like the Victoria Secret, which like sounds like not inclusive, but these are like 50-year-old women.

Like, yeah, it really

slaps every time.

Major kudos.

I love, I cannot say enough about Skims as a brand.

Oh, and that was like a rant I was going to go on yesterday, but I remember I didn't.

Skims is like literally

huge.

You know, I feel like they're bigger than Spanks, like in terms of shapewear.

I feel like not even in terms of shapewear, but just in terms of

undergarments and tings.

Like, yeah.

Like, if I wanted, you know, fresh undies or fresh bralettes or something, like, I would go to Skims.

And I guess if I was getting up, wanted to get like a pair of control top shorts.

I don't know.

I guess I would go to Skims now because I have so many pairs that I love, but I feel like they just like totally captured like the loungewear category and like essentials.

Yeah.

And now I find myself like, if I need undergarments, girdles, whatever, I totally go to Spanks.

I mean, excuse me, Skims.

If I need clothes these days, I go to Spanks.

Like Spanks really kills the clothing game.

And Kim doesn't do, Kim doesn't really do like outerwear or like things you leave your house in.

It's really like loungewear, pajamas, undies, bra.

I mean, I'm wearing the Skims bralette right now.

Yeah.

And staples, like t-shirts.

Staples.

Right.

And how you know, like, how you know a brand is like really, like, I feel like it's such a next level, like, billion-dollar brand.

And how you know that is, I feel like the word skims has become a word, kind of how Spanks was.

Like, are you wearing Spanks?

People say now, like, I'm wearing Skims.

Like, it almost becomes ubiquitous, not yet, like, band-aid, but kind of.

No, I don't feel that way.

And I actually feel like, even though Skims, like, started as like a shapewear company and a direct competitor to Spanks,

and on its face, like, they are, you know, at odds.

I actually, I feel like Kim's gone in like a totally different direction where it's like, I don't feel like I have to choose between Skims and Spanks.

No, I agree.

Like, I own

I own copious amounts of each.

I think that's also due in part to like a very clear directional change from spanks recently into making the best clothes ever.

Yeah.

Like when I think of spanks, I think of my amazing pants.

I don't really think of like shapewear anymore.

Yeah.

So everyone stays winning.

Sarah Blakely and Kim.

Totally.

They're both on the Forbes Women's Richest.

Right.

Right.

Right.

There's room for everyone.

It's so true.

It's so true.

So let's talk about Kardashians.

Yes, let me pull up my notes full of things I needed to talk about here.

Okay, so obviously the episode started with like the big

sit-down between Kim and Courtney.

We didn't know if we were going to get it.

We got it.

And I have to say, we got it.

Like, I feel like they did not just kind of scratch at the surface.

They had like a really deep conversation.

And there were a few things, you know, you really put me on Team Courtney

after you offered just kind of like your, your like her rebuttal.

Yeah, I wasn't even necessarily team Courtney, but I could really see her side and just understand how she felt and like I felt like this wasn't like a

I felt like this was a an actual conversation that needed to be had, not just like, oh, I'm Team Kim because I'm literally always Team Kim.

Even after, not just on principle, but like she just, I always agree with her.

But this time I was like, you know what, Courtney like is entitled.

Yeah.

So I went, I went into it like really seeing Courtney's side.

Yeah.

But you know, that didn't really hold true during the conversation.

And it wasn't necessarily because of like things that were said, but like, first of all, like Courtney, before she had the conversation, she was like, I really don't want to have this conversation with Kim.

She's just going to be like on her phone the whole time.

And like literally halfway through, Courtney starts scrolling on her phone.

So I'm like, okay.

Okay.

I thought that I literally had the same thought, but then she put her phone down pretty quickly.

Maybe she just had to respond to a text like about her kids.

Like I felt like I could move.

It was annoying.

And I was like, oh, wow, she's being a hypocrite.

But she wasn't like scrolling mindlessly.

Like she did something on her phone and she put it down.

Like, yes, it was just, it was funny.

Yeah.

Given that she had made a point.

And it's like, who knows?

Maybe Kim picked up her phone at some point, but that didn't make the edit.

So what I thought was really interesting is that I, I think Kim made some fire points, but she didn't actually make them to Courtney.

She made them in her confessionals.

Like, we didn't know about Andrea Pocelli.

And I didn't really even put together that Kim also got married in Italy.

So it's like, they're going, they're having this conversation.

And the more they're talking about it, the more stupid it is.

Like, they're talking about vibes and countries.

Like you can't own a vibe and you can't own a country.

And you know what?

Kim did make some good points.

Like no one's trying to infringe on your identity.

Like your identity is rocker.

She's literally sitting there in a hoodie with studs on it and like she's trying to say her vibe that like she owns is La Gel Chevita.

But it's like actually not.

If we're talking about vibes that people own.

Courtney's is punk rock.

The whole episode, she's wearing like band t-shirts that are like lime green and black.

And if we're talking about vibes, Kim's is like minimalist concrete, you know, and spandex.

So I feel like Kim was actually making some really good points just in terms of like the nitty-gritty.

And then when she started to make those points, Courtney was like, okay, but like we don't need to like, you know, talk about the details.

Like once Kim started to like make a little bit of sense and like progress in her, in her argument.

Courtney was like, okay, but it's not about that.

Like, then she tried to like psychoanalyze why Kim took this deal, trying to make it like deeper and make Kim kind of feel bad for wanting success.

And I thought Kim's response where where Courtney was really trying to come at it like as an angle to make Kim sound like greedy or vapid or materialistic no or no she was trying to make Kim see or realize that like there's something that she's trying to fill inside of her like that she's not

like she's always chasing something it wasn't it stopped being about like greed and just more so about like why can't like there's a hole or something like that that's what it sounded like she wanted Kim to admit like there's this gap and you keep trying to fill it with like more and more success but I really felt like Kim's response to that was totally fair.

She's like, I wanted to challenge myself to do something that like people have been telling me I can't do and accomplish something.

And I actually felt like at first, maybe I would have agreed with Courtney.

Like, what is Kim, you know, searching for?

But Kim's response like made a lot of sense to me.

And like, it's okay to want to prove people wrong and to accomplish things and challenge yourself.

And I felt like her answer was really good enough.

Yeah, I agree.

I think people are just inherently different.

Like some people are just like content with what they have when they reach a certain point.

And that's like a beautiful thing, but that's not, that doesn't hold true for everyone.

And some people like keep wanting like to break new barriers and do new things and challenge themselves.

And it doesn't necessarily mean that they're like running from something or they like are incapable of being content.

Like it's just a personality difference.

And I do think sometimes like people are running from something and they don't want to go home.

So they do the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.

I don't think that's what it is for Kim.

I think she's just someone who's like deeply ambitious.

And I think she spent so many years kind of like being the shit on everyone's shoe.

Now that she's at the top, she's like, I will not stop until I've conquered everything so that every person who doubted me can be proved wrong.

Right.

And I deeply respect that.

I actually really do.

And it just felt like Courtney is content.

And she was kind of, you know, being like a little bit moral high ground, high horse to Kim, like who's not content.

But I also think it's unfair of her to say that because it's not like Courtney gets these opportunities and turns them down, you know, so she can only speak from her experience, which is different than Kim's.

Yeah, but you see it in the way that Courtney like approaches business and stuff.

It's like she, you know, kind of fell into poosh eventually, but she never like was like, okay, we have to start a business.

Like, I have to capitalize.

Like everything she's done has really been like a natural progression of who she is and then like an extension of her personal brand, which is lovely, but that doesn't mean that it has to be that way for everyone.

Like people are allowed to be like be more strategic and not just like, I guess I'll start a business today because it feels like the right time.

And that's not, neither of those are better or worse.

They're just different.

Yeah.

And I just felt like Courtney was being like really judgmental.

Yeah, but it also then became like,

this is not about DNG.

Well.

And it clearly was not about DNG because Kylie had the exact same thing.

Yeah.

And

Courtney wasn't upset.

Like there is something between Courtney and Kim.

There is something that Courtney sees in Kim that like she really doesn't like.

And so every time Kim is Kimming, Courtney's like, well, this is what I'm talking about.

And it's like, what is that deeper issue?

I do not know.

Yes, that was my next note when she said, like, Kim brought up the fact that Kylie had this campaign right after the wedding and, you know, you didn't say anything.

And she's like, yeah, well, like Kylie's just in Kylie world.

And then she, like, Chris was a major factor in this too, but she held really no ill will or didn't need to sit down with Chris or Kylie.

Like, she was really only mad at Kim, thus proving that it's really not about Dolce and Gamana.

Like, these two just like do not see each other at all.

Like they do not get along.

There's like this inherent, I don't know what it is, but there's like a disconnect between them.

And that's what they were saying.

Like we don't talk anymore.

We don't hang out anymore.

And just because someone's married and in a different place like with a sister, like does not mean that the friendship is over.

Fine.

I could see how two friends would grow apart when one of them starts, you know, in a totally different place.

Like you don't have that much in common anymore.

But that's not a thing with family.

No.

And Courtney said, like, I have time.

Like, Travis is in the studio.

Like, it's not like I I don't have, I'm in my bubble and I have no time for anyone.

So it's just like what she's choosing to do with her time.

Also, I feel like when it came to Kylie and Chris, like

maybe it's just that Courtney has like such high expectations for her relationship with Kim.

They're 18 months apart, which I didn't even realize.

And like the way that Kim, Courtney, and Chloe are.

is different than how each of them is with like Kendall and Kylie.

Like they're just like younger sisters and there's less expectation.

And then also it became clear clear in this episode that like Courtney has like a lot of beef with Chris.

I think she just like, I think she's just accepted that Chris is like kind of a political animal and just is always going to be business focused and like

almost like rank her children as it relates to business.

And like that's just who she is.

And I feel like maybe for Courtney, it's like

having grown up with Kim, it's like, I have higher expectations that you would care more about.

Yeah.

But for Kim, it must be frustrating because it's like selective outrage from from courtney yeah and you also can't read people's minds like if she told her about a d and g collab and even though the collab changed over the months that they were doing it but like there was never a big outburst when she was doing the initial collab it's like oh you you're okay with me doing skims ex dolce but you're not okay with me doing a kim dolce fashion show Yeah.

And I get when Courtney gets into the points, like, yeah, it was similar to her wedding and that was really personal to her.

And so she's fair to feel that way.

But it's like, at what point is Kim supposed to know, like, this court crosses Courtney's line, but this doesn't?

No, and just the more they went into the details about Jolce and Gavana and vibes and Italy and La Golce Vida, it really was so stupid.

I'm like,

okay, and

yeah.

Like it's a dumb fight, but it's one of those fights.

It's not about what they're fighting about, you know?

There's like a bigger issue here between the two of them.

Yeah, which they did not get to.

No.

But the episode, like, I thought it would be boring after that because that was like the big thing we were waiting for.

But I actually, the episode was fabulous.

Like, there were so many things that happened.

First was Chris's birthday party, which I loved.

The girls looked so funny.

North is so funny.

It was just great.

The speech thing was hilarious.

Like, it was a good, it was a good episode.

Everyone was being funny.

And then.

Why wasn't Kendall dressed up?

Yes.

I feel like she was probably coming from somewhere, but from a shoot.

Throw a wig on.

Like, not all of you have to be in glam for five hours.

Just like put a wig on and like wear Chris's pajamas.

Like.

Yeah, that was weird.

It was.

She's the only one.

And Kathy Hilton.

Of course, Kathy Hilton.

I loved just getting a small glimpse of Queen Kathy.

Yeah, but it was a really nice birthday affair.

Yeah.

And it was interesting how everyone was talking about how weird, not weird, or how nice it was that Courtney threw it.

Like they were shocked.

Yeah, I guess they don't have like the greatest relationship.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Mm-hmm.

And then Kim showed us her Malibu house or what will be her Malibu house.

That was like a little boring,

but happy for her.

Yeah.

And then the Kanye stuff, which I didn't know that they were going to address at all this season as directly as they did,

which I appreciated.

I don't, I'm not one of those people who feels the need for like Kim to speak up every time Kanye does something crazy.

I think that's like an extremely unreasonable thing to ask of someone.

But I did.

find it interesting to hear what she said.

And to be honest, I thought the most interesting part when she was having that breakdown was when Chloe opened up and she was like, you don't think I feel bad about Lamar?

Like, that, honestly, that part like made me tear up, like how they just take on other people's shit and blame themselves.

Yeah, as much as like they addressed it, they didn't really talk about anything specific, but I think that's the inherent.

conflict that Kim has with herself.

It's like she has so much that she wants to say, I'm sure.

But she, every time she goes to say something, she's always going to think of her kids first.

And so she's not going to say anything.

So even, you know, when it was happening, like on Twitter she said as little as she possibly could because I guess people were demanding that she say something and I totally like I don't know who was making those demands like but it was unnecessary yeah and then even on the show it's like okay we're gonna talk about on the show because this is our platform but still at the end of the day like I'm gonna put my kids first and so I'm really not gonna say anything other than like I'm feeling internal conflict.

But when you listen to the conversation, like she just kept saying, like, I feel so bad.

Like, I'm so, I am having such a hard time.

And like, she didn't explain like why she felt felt bad or what's harder, like what, what her like personal internal thoughts are about it, because she's not going to speak ill of the father of her children, which I totally respect.

And so it's like, as much as you want answers from Kim, like she's always, she probably like goes, does the mantle gymnastics.

And then it's like, but the kids, and then everything else falls to the wayside.

Yeah, but I did think it was really interesting.

And I think she's getting some backlash for saying like once she posted something in support of the Jewish community, then it was like, you know, everything else else fell.

Then Adidas dropped him.

And she felt really bad about that.

And I think she's just getting some like shit for that.

But I

weirdly understand what she meant.

Because this is the father of her children.

And no matter what they do, you don't want them to

fail, even if they deserve it.

Because that's, you know, who your kids look up to.

And that's who's going to take care of your kids if anything happens to you.

So like,

I understand how it sounded weird, but I weirdly understood what she meant.

Yeah, and also just like the way I remember it, I feel like that's not what happened, but I can imagine.

No, but for her, it felt that way.

But in real life, it had nothing to do with Kim posting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, I agree.

So

it's just like a really hard spot for her to be in.

I thought it was a great episode, honestly.

Yeah, it was good.

Like there was,

it was good.

Yeah.

I thought this was a great episode.

Always when it's the swirlies.

The last episode was Claudia being

this.

Yeah.

So there is no episode on Monday because it's my birthday.

So make sure to wish me a happy birthday, bitches.

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