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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Monday.

Hope everybody had an amazing weekend.

It's Monday.

We're rising, we're grinding.

And speaking of rising and grinding, shout out to my favorite hustler, Jackie O.

Shout out to the girl on bed rest, rising and grinding.

She's rising, she's grinding, she's getting back in bed, and she's doing it all again.

She's resting.

Do you like my voice?

No, I don't, but where, to what do we owe it?

I don't know, it's just something I'm trying out.

Is this a new personality?

Do I have to come up with a new name for you?

Where's Turdy Lou?

I miss her.

Turdy Lou's right here.

Thank God.

I just get like stuck in voices sometimes and you can't get out of it.

You're telling me?

Yeah.

I've been stuck in the camper for five years.

She wrote a whole book about it.

That's the best way to get out of it is to put it down on paper, publish it.

Honey.

Give it to the poor.

Put it in the book.

Give it to the world.

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It's so much fun.

I was reading it all weekend.

I took it home from the studio because Harry was like, Mama, where's my favorite book?

Oh, how you gave birth to Jason Mamoa?

Harry was like, Mama.

By the way, Claudia, I know that we used to roast Jason Mamoa for like seeing.

Actually, it was weird because it was a woman he saw on TV.

He wasn't saying it.

It was

Mama.

Let's just quickly explain the originator of our mama joke.

It's probably five years old.

Yes.

So Jason Momoa, Aquaman, Kyle Drogo, he used to be married to Lisa Benet.

And they just got divorced recently, but he used to tell this story of how growing up, like, he saw her on TV.

The Cosby show.

Yeah.

And he, like, pointed at the TV and said, mama.

Like, and it would be a cute story if he, you know, ended up being, you know, adopted.

Her son.

Like, mama?

Like, what?

I just remember everyone being like, oh, how cute.

I'm like, wait, mama?

Yeah, no, it was really weird, but I'm just, what I wanted to say about Justice for Jason Mamo is that is how Harry says mama.

Like that is the inflection.

He says, Harry's your son.

No, I know, but now I'm, okay, now I'm seeing it from a mother's point of view.

What if he was pointing to the TV and like trying to get his mom's attention?

Like, mama, her,

you know?

Oh, I could see Harry doing that, like, trying to show me the woman he's going to marry and saying, mama.

Right, like, when he watches my special disgraced queen, he like points at the TV and he says, mama, you marry that woman.

Yeah, sure.

sure

we're so toxic when it comes to harry like you know what don't even care don't even no one thing about me i'm not caring no he's he loves it i'm so obsessed i need to see him like he was so busy all weekend

okay he was he was busy all weekend but you were really busy this weekend this was the first weekend that you weren't here i mean it was the first weekend that i that i took for myself you know it's really true i feel like you've been like hanging around the city because you just like want to support me and be there for me you did your own thing this weekend which i'm happy for you that you did that but i also could like feel the separation anxiety between you and tarry i was feeling it for him too no like it was tough but you're back but i had a great weekend i had a great weekend but it was tough yeah tell us about your weekend it looked really great you were with a bunch of influencers you were just kind of like on your influencer grind i know like you know I sometimes like go to things or just like, it's usually when I hang out with Remy because Remy's such an influencer that like I really am reminded, like I'm an influencer, you know, I just don't identify as an influencer but like being with all the influencers like I had the best time like influencers they really are so fun so I went to the Hamptons for the weekend one just because like I wanted to you know have a nice weekend but two there was a music festival out there this weekend that I've actually never been to but people go to every year and like it always looks fun so I was like you know maybe I'll go this year it's palm tree festival it's I think it's like owned by Kaigo um and Kaigo performed Calvin Harris performed um and it was just like a bunch of good DJs lined up and it was really fun like me and Ben had the best time mostly I had a good time because like I was wearing these pants.

Well yeah, your pants were what made you an influencer because those were influencer like

no whether they were influencers.

They weren't pants an influencer would wear.

They were influencer pants, but they were also like Rave Girl pants, you know?

Yeah, sort of.

Like dubs were pants.

Yeah, you know, like, I forget what the dance move is that like people do at rave girls.

Where you put your one foot in front and then in back.

It's like the mashed potato.

100%.

But when you say rave girl, I think like EDC.

No, no, no.

I'm thinking of like, what is that move called?

It's like the dub or whatever?

Like, no, I know it's.

It's literally the mashed potato, but it's now being done at Raves and it has a new name.

Yeah.

It's like two-stepping, dub-stepping.

I know exactly what you're talking about, and I feel like other people do too.

Please just drop a comment.

Like, I was trying to make the joke all night, but I couldn't remember what the fucking difference is.

And when you say Rave Girl, Rave Girl is like dolls killing me.

That's not what you were putting off.

Yeah.

Okay, whatever, but you know what I'm talking about.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

So, like, the pants were giving me like this alter ego, and I was just like walking around like I owned the festival because, like, I looked like I did with my pants.

Um, but I had such a good time.

Me and Ben just like

really, we like chilled all weekend.

It was kind of rainy, which was annoying, but like, we stayed at Canoe Place, which by the way, you would love.

Like, I know you love like a drivable cottage vibe.

Cottage vibe, yes, I do.

So, this is, it was 90 minutes from the city because it was in West Hampton.

It was drivable.

It was cottage vibes.

They have a spa, a pool.

It was, it's like brand new.

It's so so cute.

And they serve Spritz, just like added bonus.

And it's Strice-friendly.

You know, I have to assume

I didn't ask, but it was so dog-friendly, like just in the energy.

I assume it's Streis-friendly.

I should have brought The O.

I didn't realize we'd be staying at like a cottage that had like its own backyard.

Like, I really could have brought The O.

And it was like, me and Ben were.

Yesterday, we were like, we're both working from home on Monday.

Like, we could just stay one more day, but we honestly didn't want to spend one more minute away from Stry.

Ugh, but if he was there, Two Birds One Stone.

I actually didn't even know you came home last night.

I thought I might be podcasting remotely with you from the Hamptons again.

We could have.

We could have.

You've been so mysterious.

I'm so mysterious.

What?

You didn't see a picture of me in my car?

No, but also you could be in your car like going to dinner in the Hamptons.

Yeah, that's true.

It's true.

It was kind of, you know, my first weekend away with the car, me and Ben, it was like a 90-minute drive there, 90-minute drive back.

Both there and back, we did not stop talking about our car.

Like, all we, we were like, how amazing is this?

Like, we just like have the freedom.

Like, you know, usually we use Ben's parents' car.

So like, if we had wanted to extend, we would would have had to call and say is that okay and like arrange but no we're so free we just like we literally were talking the whole weekend about our freedom so what you're saying is freedom is a highway

freedom is a high and you know what this weekend was kind of just like filled with fast causing freedom damn i mean that is how i feel about tesla just like so free so i understand i understand the hype but if i hadn't just gotten a new car like maybe i wouldn't be able to participate in this conversation, but I totally understand.

Now, it wouldn't be a weekend away if I didn't have to unburden myself.

So I will go.

So here you go.

Wait, I had more questions, though, before you get to the negative.

Let's focus on the positive still because you were with fellow influencers.

One of my favorite girlies, Juliette Porter.

You guys know almost

to Siesta Key.

But did you see Alex Earl?

Because I saw she was there.

I did see Alex Earl.

I saw Alex Earl.

We were like in the same table area.

So I went over and said hi to her because I had met her at a rare beauty event and we've like DM'd a bunch.

And like, you know, when you're talking to someone, like you have, you know, for a fact that they have no idea who you are.

Yeah.

So she was so polite, but like homegirl had no idea.

And that's fine.

She meets a lot of people, but like, I feel we couldn't met so many people in the last year.

I can't even be mad because we have a lot of people.

And that was that.

It's like, you look different every day.

So true.

I think that's a good idea.

Not a spinning this into a positive.

No, totally.

Like, I feel like you need to take into account that like

if you met someone six months, no, six months and, but a year ago, like

you're a different different turdie.

No, it's so true.

It's so true.

I wasn't even mad.

Like, I can only imagine how many people, like, are up her ass.

And I was just another one of them.

And how many people feel that way about you that you don't know who they are when you're talking to them?

Wow.

So true.

Perspective.

Yeah, no, she was so nice.

And like, there was, um, like, it was influencer central.

And it was really fun.

Like, everyone was, like, just really getting lit.

I was, you know, deeply unwell.

And there was quite a bit of walking around.

And I was wearing these like really big platform sneakers.

And when I tell you, I, my shit, like my calves are on fire literally two days later.

I will never wear big shoes like that to like a festival ever again because I can't feel my legs.

You live in I was like, why?

I was like, why do my legs hurt so much?

And I realized I was like, literally wearing ankle weights.

Okay, but to the unburdening yourselves, ready?

Okay.

So, you know, a festival is never like an easy place to go to the bathroom.

And there were like, you know, bathrooms the line was so long and i was like i'm sorry no no

so i went into like this parking lot where like a bunch of people's cars were parked and it was empty because everyone was inside the festival this was just a parking lot so i like went behind a car i chose like a big one i chose like a big sprinter and i just peed like it was not a big deal it was easy i like went right behind pull my pants down peed all good and i'm walking towards the front of the car and the person um in the driver's seat like knocks and rolls the windows down and he was

fully in the car.

The car was on.

I was peeing right in front of the rearview, the rearview camera

and he was just hysterically laughing.

I guess I didn't account for like, you know, somebody having hired like a car service and the driver waiting.

I thought, you know, it would be all empty cars.

He couldn't have been nicer.

Honestly, he didn't even make me feel like weird or anything.

He was like, good for you, you know, the line.

I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It honestly, he unburdened it for me because he was so cool.

And so he didn't mention anything about you not wiping?

He didn't mention anything about my unmentionables.

No.

That's good.

Were you facing him or like, did he see your butt?

I was, my ass

was facing the car.

So you're in the

face.

My ass was in his face.

Cool, cool.

Yeah, no wonder he had it.

He was fine with it.

Yeah, no, he got a, you know, a show.

Free show from the charity.

Free show from the charity.

And you know what?

I peed two more times after that, and I kept going back to the same spot.

a little bit more discreetly, but like I knew it was a safe space for me.

Did you bring any like tissue paper?

No,

not you getting like fixated on the fact that I didn't wipe.

Like, what was I supposed to do three times?

What was I supposed to do?

You're gonna get an irritation.

No, totally, I was wearing a bodysuit.

I'm literally gonna go to UTI.

Literally,

take your eucor.

Take your eucora.

I should take my eucora.

I'm feeling fine.

Okay, that's good.

And I'll let you know.

It starts to get any, you know, burning or itching.

Well, I'm glad you were able to unburden yourself.

I'm glad you had a great weekend.

I feel like every time you lean into the influencer life, like you, you love it.

No, I know, but like, I can't like dive head deep or whatever Ben says headfirst, head deep into influencer life because it's honestly, it'll suck you in.

It will.

It'll suck you in.

It's so true.

I can't.

You have to keep your head above water.

Yeah.

No, and then I'm going to be like walking around thinking I'm Alex Earl.

I'm like, we know I'm not.

Sure, but like, I feel like everyone kind of walks around thinking they're Alex Earl and they're like much further off than you are.

So why not turdy?

That's true.

Why not?

Oh man, I'm like literally joking.

Sorry, I drank Pellegrino.

That big mistake.

Shouldn't drink carbonation while I podcast.

You do it every single day with your LaCroix, but okay.

LaCroix is like not carbonated.

No, it's it is.

But no, like I'm not, I know technically.

But not as carbonated as those first few sips of Pellegrino from a bottle.

Pellegrino from a bottle, it's hits different.

And the first few sips could take your eyes out.

They could take your esophagus out.

Like, it's so spicy.

I know.

But then it gets really, like, stale really fast.

That's true.

They should work on that.

100%.

The extremes.

You know what?

I watched last night so randomly.

Like, Zach just put a movie on on cable,

but I had never seen it.

So I was just...

taken in by it.

The Martian.

Matt Damon?

Yeah.

Have you ever seen it?

No.

It was really good.

Okay.

Yeah.

I haven't watched something like good in a while.

I should really seek out.

I just really like enjoyed it.

And I came in in the middle.

So I was still like putting stuff together.

And we have like a really small TV in the living room.

And like, I could barely hear anything.

But I really liked it.

Well, imagine like if you watched it out of real TV, how much you would enjoy it.

Imagine if I like saw it in theaters from the beginning and not with commercials.

Oh.

Yeah, no, it was a horrible experience.

Oh, it was on cable?

Yeah, and I still really enjoyed it.

At some point, I should have just like stopped it, went to a streaming service and like found the movie.

I'm sure it's on Max or something.

Yeah.

Me adapting to the rebrand, Max.

Maximilian.

I dropped the HBO.

But I didn't do that and I should have.

And now like the movie's kind of ruined for me.

That's like when I watched Gone Girl and I came in in the middle.

And so I never had that moment of spoiler alert, like not knowing if she was alive or dead.

Because I came in and she's in the car talking to herself about her big plan.

So true, by the way.

That also watching like a real movie for the first time on cable, it should never be done.

Very recently.

And they cut stuff out too.

Like

made for TV.

Yeah, they cut out like transitional scenes, all these things.

Ben and I watched The Help.

It was on E like a month ago.

I've seen it a thousand times.

Ben has never seen it.

He thought it was the most amazing movie.

I'm like, I really should turn this off and like put it on.

But he was like enthralled.

Like I couldn't touch the clicker.

No, that was me with The Martian last night.

And it's like, i guess it's better to have watched a movie on cable with commercials and cuts than never to have seen it at all so true the check that's beautiful thank you so much and now i should go and like watch it from the beginning but

nah i got the gist anyway so it was nice because

it's been a while since i watched something good and something i we were face timing on what night was that saturday night Yeah, after I left the festival, we FaceTimed.

Yeah, and I had just watched officially the worst piece of shit I ever saw in my life.

And I want to take back everything negative I've been talking about TV in general because nothing was as bad as what I watched on Saturday night.

Wait, I was like so blackout.

I don't even remember what you're talking about.

And just like that, season two, episode one.

Oh my God, wait.

Do you not remember this conversation?

I do not remember this conversation.

Oh my God, you were cracking up at my take.

Okay, because I watched the first episode, but I knew you did, but you didn't finish it.

I know.

Oh, my God, yeah.

Because we had this conversation, but I'll enlighten you.

Oh, my God.

The worst show I've ever seen.

I did not watch season one, but Zach did.

So he was like, can I watch the new episode?

So I was like, yeah, I was reading anyway.

So I was just like.

not planning on really watching, but I was sucked in by how terrible it was.

Like, I know.

Not even the show itself, the writing, like even cringe.

Like everything is so cringe.

Even scenes between like beloved, you know, Charlotte and Harry, they don't have their same like dynamic.

It's everything was making me cringe so,

so hardcore.

Also, now there's eight main characters.

Questions?

Yes.

Oh, you didn't see the first season?

No, but I watched the recap of the first season previously.

So Miranda's law professor, and Miranda's not even in law school anymore, so I don't really know why the women would still be like hanging out with her.

And Seema, actually, I like Seema.

She's very fabulous and cute.

I don't have an issue with

their storylines or whatever, but like

eight people is a lot to keep up with.

Yeah, well, I watched an interview Cynthia Dixon did.

It's clear they're like over-correcting over-correcting the fact that like there was not a singular black person on the original show and it was like so white.

And like, so now

like Miranda, not Miranda, what's her name?

Cynthia was like, you know, I loved our show.

It was like a perfect show except for, and so now they're like adding additional characters to like be more representative.

And it is a lot of main characters.

Like, honestly.

I know this is like going to be a hot take.

Like, I could live without Charlotte.

Now that I have like everyone, like, Charlotte's not like Brittany much, except the only thing she really brings brings is Harry.

Yeah, but even he was like, meh, you know, they weren't giving, they weren't giving what they used to give.

Carrie was just insufferable talking about how, like, you know, she has this Thursday nights with her podcast producer and he wants to go out on Tuesday.

And, like,

I

like what, and she kept having that conversation with every eight people in the show.

Yeah.

And I was just like, this is, you're 60.

If you want to go out on Tuesday, go out on Tuesday.

And if you don't, don't.

But, like, this isn't like, this isn't the sex in the city of your.

It's not the sex in the city of your.

It feels like all the characters, like, all the actors who are acting with one another, like, are meeting for the first time.

Like, there's no familiarity, and there's no, you're just so aware that everyone's acting.

No, and the way that the lines are delivered, like, it was really about the writing.

Like, it was so staged and phony, and like, it was so bad.

Like, the just the quality of the show was so bad.

I was in shock.

And, like, the writing was so like butt-clenching.

I was clenching my butt.

Yeah.

I couldn't believe it.

No, and it's like for me, I've had this renaissance in the last few years with the original show and I love Miranda so much.

And I feel like she, I think out of all of them, she's the one with the most defined personality.

And I just don't see this journey that she's on, just kind of like leaving her family behind and moving to California and following around Che.

Like, I don't.

Following around Che.

And Che's like, go away.

Yeah.

I, that's just

the same thing.

And then Miranda, like, maybe I missed a scene, but, like, Miranda confronts her, like, why don't you want me around?

And then Che's, like, because I'm on a diet.

What?

You didn't get there yet.

Like, I guess Miranda was trying to be touchy with her.

And, like, Che went on a diet for her show or something.

And so she was feeling, like, insecure about her belly.

But it's like, but why'd you tell her to leave the comedy store?

Okay, I don't really get it.

But maybe I missed a scene.

No, but like, that's what I mean.

Like, it was just like these leaps.

Well, yeah.

And that's the thing.

It's like Miranda, this is so uncharacteristic of Miranda.

Like, we know Miranda.

She's a creature of habit.

Like, she, you know, she gets the same thing at the Chinese food place that the person knows her order.

Like, this whole like throwing caution to the wind and leaving behind like her very

stable family life to like have some sort of midlife crisis is not something Miranda would do.

Like if you know Miranda, you know how like borderline like boring she is.

Like she just does the same thing all the time and she likes that.

Yeah, Yeah, but I think that's why she chose Steve.

But that's exactly what a midlife crisis is.

I know, but, like, of all the people, like, Miranda's not susceptible to a midlife crisis.

No, but I, I, okay, maybe, but I also think the person who is boring and does the same thing and always makes the safe choices, like, is susceptible to a midlife crisis.

I guess.

Like, maybe it's not a midlife crisis.

Like, I don't know.

I just, I don't, I don't, um, I'm not getting midlife crisis vibes from her, except when she was, like, in the early scenes when she's like in LA and she, like, loves LA.

But actually, that reminded me of Insects in the City when they gave her.

She hates LA.

Oh, I thought she loved LA.

No, they all ended up hating it.

I thought she loved it until that guy chewed his food and spit it out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's like, oh, maybe I could get with this.

And she's like, no, this is all a facade.

No, that kind of happened in that episode, too.

She's like doing like the cryo chamber and everything.

And she's like, I love this life.

And then she gets some salt water in her eyes.

And she's like, oh, that part I did see.

Yeah.

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whatever that he was gonna be in they were gonna watch and oh my god it's literally so bad I was just like I it's like 30 minute episodes so the first one was bad I'm like okay but you know what like we're setting the scene yeah yeah the second one was really bad I'm like oh we must be missing something yeah third episode shit the show like gives me anxiety everybody's always yelling at everyone it's about this like sandwich shop and like there's never any like it's meant I think to like glamorize like the he's like this you know James Beard award-winning chef who like comes back to his hometown because his brother passed away and he takes over his brother's sandwich shop and he tries to like make it into, you know, he's like a French kitchen.

Like he tries, yeah.

And he, and he was at this like really toxic New York restaurant that like, you know, abused him.

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Did you ever see the movie The Menu?

No.

It reminds me of that.

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Oh my God, the show is horrible.

It's horrible.

He's like trying to turn this like ragtag group of, you know, like cooks into like fancy chefs.

Yes, chef, pomalieri chef.

And and everyone's just yelling at each other like no one's listening to him even though he owns the restaurant like it's such a bad show like i couldn't believe how people were talking about the show i don't get it well it does sound like a good premise for a show so i understand how you were roped in um but no and everything

his name in the show

is carmine because they're like italian you know a family sandwich shop but they call him carmi

And it just, it doesn't roll off the tongue whenever anyone says it.

Like it sounds like a fake name.

Carmy.

Well, you know, Claudia, it is a fake name because it's too fiction.

I know.

And it's like it's reminding me.

When you're watching television, you're not supposed to be so aware that it's so fake.

That's another, that's exactly the feeling I get with and just like that.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

And also, what's crazy about it and just like that is like Carrie, like all throughout Sex and City was just like this rising writer and, you know, career girl.

And it's like, and now she has a podcast.

Once a week, Thursdays.

And it makes me feel good.

It makes me feel like, you know, I chose a really great profession.

So like that selfishly

is nice.

But it's just like all that to just have a podcast.

Well, it's she had a weekly column and now she has a weekly podcast.

But she wrote books.

Yeah, well, maybe she'll do.

She's new to the podcasting game.

I do think like them switching her to be from being like a columnist, a weekly columnist to a weekly podcast is actually a very good way of bringing the show into like the 21st century.

I don't mind that, but you're right.

She doesn't have that.

She was like a driven girly.

Yeah, no, but also that would make sense if we were doing like Sex in the City Reboot with young people.

And like the Carrie character has a podcast instead of a column.

Like that makes perfect sense.

But like she

not to be like ageist or anything.

And it's not even about her age, but to like then graduate to a podcast.

Yeah, I guess.

After like years, like

decades of a storied career in writing.

Yeah.

She doesn't write anymore.

I know, but I can't think, and that's a waste.

But I can't even think of like a comparable

person in real life who was like a really big writer, who then became like a digital

podcaster at

like some TV people who are like really big on TV now like do all digital stuff, which makes sense.

It's kind of the same medium, but like, I don't know.

It was just something a little disappointing, like all that for a weekly podcast for Carrie.

That's fair.

That's fair.

No, and it's like people of weekly podcasts more often than not have like other things going on.

Parts of their job, like whether they're content creators or bloggers or stand-up.

And so like podcasting is one part of their job, but it's not their whole job.

But it seems like Carrie's just doing the podcast.

Right.

And is her podcast successful?

Right.

That would be an interesting like episode.

Carrie, your numbers are dropping.

Like, do something.

Where's Carrie in the charts?

Where's the character?

But if she's like, if she's number one, you know, and she is like the biggest sex in relationship podcast, whatever.

She's like the call her daddy of

and just like that, then okay, but like I just, she's been always been so career focused, and it's like, this is where she's at after years of hard work.

No, you're, you're not wrong, Jax.

Because like, anyways, but as a podcaster, I do feel seen.

I'm not going to lie.

Yeah, no, it's like everybody wants a podcast.

And everyone can have one.

It's so true.

There's room for everyone, Turdy.

It's from Preferon.

And then other than that, I've read so much this weekend.

Me too.

Oh, I want you to update everyone on the rose code, and I want to know your final thoughts.

The Rose Code, historical fiction, World War II.

I loved it.

I really did.

And I would have given it five stars, but there was absolutely no reason it should have been that long.

Like I, like, the book was over.

Like, I was reading the book and it was like over.

You know, everyone was like settling down.

And in my Kindle, it said 30 minutes left.

Like, there's no reason for that, you know?

There wasn't a final twist.

No.

Okay.

And I really enjoyed it.

I loved the epilogue.

The epilogue gave like a lot of context for what parts of the book were real and then brought it back to like something that originally, that not originally, that actually happened in 2014 with Kate Middleton.

So I loved it.

It was not my usual choice, but that's what a book club is for.

I loved it.

And the way I felt like

so morally superior to like everyone in the past week, because like I was just reading this book and then I was like looking around at like Ben and like my friends and being like I'm reading a book about like World War II and like I'm kind of like better than you like the book actually gave me like a like a real superiority complex now you know how I feel yeah no and I I was just like talking to people and if they like didn't know about my book like I was just like oh I can't you're so dumb uncultured swine Uncultured swine like actually and I'm sure like you were the only influencer at Palm Tree Festival that was reading about World War II, yeah.

And it was like, nobody wanted to talk about Bletchley Park, you know, the famed secret underground mission by England to decode Nazi Morse code.

Like, nobody wanted to talk about that.

And I was like, well, you're not as smart as me.

It's disappointing when people don't want to talk about that.

Yeah.

And now I want to watch the movie, The Imitation Game.

Oh, yeah, because The Imitation Game is literally the book, but it can be really isolating when you're in that place.

When you're so much smarter than, like, even, you know, your own husband.

it was difficult.

But that's why you have me.

And my book club.

And your book club.

That's literally what it's for.

Yeah.

Oh, an update from last week.

None of my friends listened to the toast.

I thought they would all be texting me, clamoring for a ride.

It wasn't until two days later that Rachel, who is pregnant, like literally eight months pregnant, so we gave her a pass.

She's like, oh my God, am I the last one to text?

I'm like, Rachel, you're the first one to text.

Then

once Rachel texted me, Margo and Abe were like, wait, what?

Like, what's going on?

I didn't listen.

And now everyone wants a ride.

So you could just pause for a second.

Ben, I'm podcasting in here.

If you could stop shaking the tums like you are in a mariachi band, okay?

Oh, okay, fine.

It's raining.

It's raining.

Oh, okay.

It's raining.

Okay.

Okay.

I didn't stop mine.

Did you stop yours?

No, no, I think it's fine.

I was just feeling about them.

You could just leave it.

So do you think that it was just a fluke that Margo and Abe didn't hear that episode or are they kind of like lying about how into the toast they are?

I think Margo and Abe don't support me.

And you know what?

Now that I've said that, we'll see.

We'll see.

What a frightening car ride.

You in the driver's seat, two people in the back who you feel aren't supporting you.

What is Turdy going to do?

And the only person I have on my side is Rachel.

And she's Apend's pregnant.

She can't really defend me.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, she could defend you like emotionally, verbally, yeah.

But if it gets, if it comes to blows, it'll make for a very interesting book club.

It will.

Well, I'm excited.

What did you read?

For you.

I read Freedom McFadden Never Lie because you recommended it.

I didn't find it.

I did really like it.

Not as much as The Housemaid, and I didn't find it as spooky as you said.

Like, you were like, and that was the night that you screamed at bed.

I literally wasn't reading it before bed.

I was reading my nonfiction book because I was like, I don't want to read spookiness before bed, but I did not find it that spooky.

Oh, my God.

I was like immediately spooked from the second I stepped into that house.

Oh, no, I wasn't, but I, it was very twist and turn.

I did not predict any of it.

Me neither.

I like thought I knew what was going to happen.

I was like, fuck, I've spoiled the book for myself.

I think you're supposed to think,

spoiler alert.

I think you're supposed to think that her fiancé is EJ.

They both like wine.

They both like wine.

They both pick the South African wine.

They both have wealthy deceased parents.

Yeah.

But I was like, there's no way because it was honestly like so obvious.

No, but I was like, I'm just so good now.

Like, I've read so many books.

I finally, you can't pull one over.

You thought you were better than everyone.

I literally was going to text you and be like, oh, Claudia, I think I spoiled the book for myself.

No, I know.

But no, it wasn't that unspoiler alert.

And then I read the new A.R.

Torrey book.

She wrote one of our favorite books, Every Last Secret.

Which one's that about?

Mina?

Mina, yeah.

Yeah.

So the new book is called A Fatal Affair.

And I started it last night.

It was so good.

It's more mystery than thriller.

Like, I didn't feel like it's like so fast-paced, like, you know, no, it's giving like SVU.

Yeah, it's giving SVU like who done it.

Yeah, I'm like 5% in.

I started last night.

Yeah, it took me a while to, not a while, maybe like 20%.

It doesn't grip you like Frida does.

But

the story was really paying off, and I really enjoyed it.

And I did not see it coming.

I think next we need to read The Inmate by Frida.

That's what everyone's recommending to me.

Frida.

Where did Frida come from?

I have no fucking idea.

Michelle from my book club recommended one Frida book to me.

And then I started seeing the book everywhere.

Like everyone was posting The Housemaid.

And I just fell in love.

Her books are like really good length.

And she's good with the spin.

Like you never know what the thing is going to be.

Right.

And she's a good writer.

And they're all on Kindle Unlimited.

They're all on Kindle Unlimited.

By the way, Fatal Affair is on Kindle Unlimited.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I did see that.

No, and it's like, I just feel like Frida came out of nowhere nowhere and all of a sudden, like, she's the new it girl.

She's

a new girl in town.

That's a guy on a street.

And I swear she writes a book every six months.

No, she's literally amazing.

No, she's amazing.

And the Kindle Unlimited of it all.

You pay for Kindle Unlimited, right?

Yeah, it's an amazing, because if you read a lot of thrillers and a lot of smut, like, it's full of Kindle

on Kindle Unlimited.

Most of the time, I have Kindle Unlimited, and most of the books I read are never on it.

But, like, since I've been reading a lot of thrillers in the last two months, like, now it's like you got to release one from your shelf.

You have too many Kindle Unlimiteds.

Wait, what?

Like I download the book and then you can only have so many free books on your Kindle.

So then you have to release one if you want to download another one.

That's never happened to me.

Huh, maybe you have a better plan.

Maybe, but I think I just did like the entry plan.

Like I did the trial and then they started charging me.

That's so crazy.

I've never they've never said release I don't ever no I have to like look through what I have on Kindle Unlimited and and give one back but it's fine because I've already read it.

Not them acting like the library.

Like, there's infinite digital copies to stop.

No, it's so true.

And it's like, it's so stupid.

It really is, but it does make me think about what I have there.

And I saw a book there that I never read that now I want to read.

I didn't know I had it.

So, well, I like so far.

I think Kindle Unlimited is worth the whatever it is, like six bucks a month.

Yeah, especially if your categories are very unlimited.

Historical fiction is not on Kindle Unlimited.

No, it's not.

But you could also only shop Kindle Unlimited books and then not be surprised if something's not on it.

Yeah.

So.

So

what else?

Before we dive in, I feel like this is one of our longest pre-five show, pre-Fast Five banters.

I mean, a Monday is always going to be a lot of banter, especially because we weren't together and we really didn't catch up.

And the catch-up that we did have, you don't remember.

So true.

So what is a girl to do?

What's a girl gotta do?

A turdy's gonna turn.

Oh, I mean, we could talk about how Taylor played Dear John and Daylight in Minneapolis this weekend.

I know.

Even I felt that.

That was deep.

And she gave like a little speech before Dear John.

She did.

She basically was like, listen, I'm re-releasing this album not because I'm still mad about the stuff that I wrote about.

So don't feel the need to like defend me to people who you think like did me wrong.

Like basically being like, just back off John Mayer.

I think that's pretty much what she was saying.

I just feel like if John Mayer gets a lot of heat from the album, like he's not gonna take it quietly.

Like he's gonna come back swinging at all the fans and Taylor inadvertently too.

And like she just doesn't want to go toe-to-toe with John Mayer.

Yeah, no, I mean, I think she knew that Jake Gyllenha would just like, you know, clam up.

Yeah, like he was never gonna, because Jake Gyllenhaal like has a really

unspoken about and weird pattern of dating like 19, 20, 21 year olds.

So like he's never gonna come out and defend himself.

Like he's just gonna let it.

And you know what?

It passed.

It's over because everyone's onto John Mayer now.

But like if that sort of tidal wave comes for john mayer he's coming out swinging yeah he's not gonna like take it laying down and you know it's so interesting and like something about the swifties that it's like funny but like i don't know how i feel about it like whenever i'm on tick tock and i come across a video from john mayer's tick tock or um carly clos the comments like there's not one comment like carly you look beautiful like it's literally like

gold eyes like cloak quoting like taylor shripliers like and it's so crazy how like people can't you know people who were once in Taylor's life and who are not now like can't move on

well I'm sure they have but like yeah they have but that's so funny I would never think like oh Carly you know struggles with her comments because they're all about Taylor Swift I'm surprised she hasn't turned her comments off like any song that people perceive to be about Carly the lyrics are just like they flood her comments that's really crazy and the swifties need to get a grip i know it's like you have to let people no one's gonna want to get close to taylor like if we keep acting this way.

It's true.

So maybe that's like part what she was saying.

Yeah, but I think she also just doesn't want to like

she's not putting out this album to get into a public feud with John Mayer.

Right.

This is 15 years ago or whatever.

So like she wants to own her masters.

Let the girl own her masters.

Please don't embarrass her.

But people are not going to be able to accept that.

No, like I do think Taylor's saying something like might make an impact, but not it's not going to completely eradicate the problem.

No.

but you know what?

It's good for like me because then I won't like dive into the horse again.

No, no, I'm not going to like think too hard about it.

But what also she put up

10-minute version, which just gave us like so much more information that we were just processing for the first time.

So, so no, people are having the same experience because she just released what have could have should have.

Right.

And would have could have should have is, you know, believed to be about John Mayer.

So it's like, all right, you said you're over it, but like you did just release a song that's about it.

Okay, well, not everyone has to make sense all of the time.

I agree, by the way.

I agree.

There can be some inconsistencies.

No, one thing about me, like I'm going to contradict myself.

Yeah.

And that's okay.

Things are fluid, constantly changing.

Life is just constantly emotion.

Yeah, well, we do have a Taylor story, so we'll talk more about our swirly then.

Without further ado, did it do?

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Our first story, YouTube star Mr.

Beast says he was invited to join the Titanic submersible trip, and he said no.

YouTube star Mr.

Beast, you guys might know him as Do Better Beast,

was invited to join Explorers on the Titan Submersible, but ultimately turned down the offer to do so.

The content creator and philanthropist wrote on Twitter on Sunday that he was offered a spot to see the Titanic wreckage.

He said he said no, kind of scary that I could have been on it.

Quote.

Did you hear that thunder?

Yeah.

Oh my God, it's like thunder.

Feel the thunder.

Oh, I'm thinking like rain was driving thunder lightning.

That's good too.

Okay, I saw this.

Do you know what that means?

What?

If there's thunder.

It's a chilly day.

Oh my God, it's such a chilly day, especially because Ben's bringing bringing from home.

I'm literally ordering all the ingredients right when this is over.

Honestly, you should order them now.

Have Ben get to work, bring chili over because it's like Harry needs chili.

By the way, I like that idea.

If Ben's free tonight, he might have a stupid basketball league, but if he's free, we'll all come over for chili.

That's so nice.

That's so nice.

Okay, wait, back to Mr.

Beast.

I actually follow Weirdly Mr.

Beast on Twitter, so I saw him tweet this and I was like, that's so crazy.

But it's not like that surprising because we were literally talking last week about how this company had like had all these like, you know, maritime content creators come on in the last few years and reach out to work with them.

So it's not shocking.

It's so scary.

And I just,

I'm glad he shared this.

Like I found it so interesting.

Yeah.

A lot of other people and people went too.

And those maritime content creators like have content

from when they went.

So everyone's just like coming forward with their experiences, either going or almost going.

Apparently the father-son duo who perished on the submersible, the mother spoke out and said that she was actually supposed to go with her husband, but that her son really wanted to go.

Oh, oh, oh, okay, because a family member

said he had a lot of people.

He had spoken out and said he was like dreading it, begging not to go.

Right, but he only did it like to please his father for Father's Day.

Okay.

Well, you know what?

The mom probably knows better.

Yeah, and also that he...

He's really good at Rubik's Cubes.

Yes, and he brought one with him.

He was practicing because he was trying to break a world record or something.

And I think he wanted to break it on the sub.

Oh.

I can't.

Oh my God.

The story is so sad.

It really is.

And the mom also said that even though

the U.S.

Navy had heard the implosion like the day that the sub went missing, that they didn't tell the families that.

Yeah, well, I saw a bunch of people giving like their thoughts on why the Navy...

There was like no way to know that this sound had anything to do with the missing.

Like this ocean, especially in that like dark, deep water, like makes crazy sounds.

Of course, but

all through all those days, like they're banging every 30 minutes is what we hear.

Like they were giving us all

they were giving us all these crumbs, and it was like that's a really big crumb.

And it's also like navy technology, not just like ocean, like it's pretty legit.

And even if it winds up not being what we think it is, like they were sharing every little fart they heard in the ocean.

And you heard something that you think, like, very well could be an implosion.

That's something that at least the family should have known.

The families, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also, but also the public, because you were telling us everything.

Yeah.

Do you see that Netflix is now adding Titanic back to the platform starting July 1st?

I did.

And

obviously, that's, you know, an opportunistic decision, but I think

I saw people online like really mad at Netflix, like saying it's so insensitive.

And like, I don't like really disagree.

I don't, oh, you don't dis you think it's really insensitive.

Yeah, I mean, maybe it's just like a sheer coincidence.

Like a few times a year, a ton of shit gets taken on and a ton of shit gets taken off.

Like every month.

Yeah.

It's, it could be like a complete coincidence and like it got made into a news story, obviously, just because of what happened.

Um,

but

let's not create that it's not a coincidence, even though it might be.

Let's like, what are your thoughts if it's not a coincidence?

It's just like my overall thoughts on this thing.

It's like, yeah, everyone's so invested and people are like making jokes about it.

And like, some of them are funny, but like at the end of the day,

like five people died, like innocent people, like who were just, you know, trying to have some fun.

Even though we think it's crazy, like they were just like trying to have fun and they died.

And like one of them is a child.

So I don't know.

I don't know, like, because where internet culture gets so, you just like forget when you're like so deep on the internet that like this is like a real thing that happened to real people.

So like I understand like the tweets and the memes.

Like I, I think some of them are funny.

Like I do.

I don't know.

It just like every every time I'm talking about the submersible, like after 30 minutes, I'm like, wait, this is wrong.

Like I can't explain it.

No, I understand, but I also, I don't think that

Netflix putting Titanic on the platform, like it is a little opportunistic and they know that people are really interested in the Titanic right now, but I don't think it's that offensive.

One, you know, I think if you actually take the time to watch the movie, like you'll come away from it being like,

oh, shit, like, that is like a mass grave.

Like, a lot of people lost their lives.

Like, you know, maybe you'll stop

for a second.

It's not just like a joke.

Yeah.

You know,

because even if they had put, you know, a Titanic documentary up, a lot of people are interested in the Titanic right now.

Like, I don't think, I don't think that's, I really don't think that's so bad compared to some of the other awful takes I've seen.

But no, if people want to learn about the Titanic and also like this thing that all those people essentially died.

Obsessed with, you know, and so it's like,

but then also more people are going to become obsessed so true because it's a magnet it's a magnet it's trouble but we were just saying how you and ben should watch titanic you've never seen it and it's obviously a topic of conversation netflix is just catering to that yeah i guess like honestly when you explain it that way it's like no it's not so bad and it's an amazing movie that they worked so hard on that should be seen by more people I, you know what?

I agree.

Like, I don't know how much of Gen Z has seen Titanic.

They weren't alive when it came out.

No, I agree.

And it's a true story.

Well, it's historical fiction.

Jack and Rose were not real, but there's a lot of really true elements.

And at the end of the day, it's a good take, like the lesson that we learned from the Titanic, which was not learned in this case of the submersible.

And literally, James Cameron said that, which was that, like, they rushed.

measures and they cut corners in order to, you know, do this really cool new thing.

And that's exactly what happened with the ship itself.

Oh my God, it's so true.

Huh.

Because they wanted to like break the record for the fastest crossing because it was going so well and it was a moonless night and they hit an iceberg and if they had been a little slower they might have seen it.

If they'd been using, they didn't have binoculars on board.

Well, that's dumb.

Yeah, but I, in the book I read, it was like, yeah, that sounds dumb, but

that was actually like the common place.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There was like, they had a decent, it wasn't like they just forgot them.

Right.

I mean, that would be crazy.

Yeah, but they were going really fast and there was they couldn't see anything because it was moonless right what's moon like the moon was behind the clouds yeah the or like if it's like a small moon sliver sliber

interesting

but if it's a full moon unit you can see more yeah maritime tings maritime tings you can see more before turdy goes overboard Turdy Lil is definitely going overboard.

That's for sure.

That's for name.

So are you ready for our next story?

No, I like haven't been able to stop thinking about anything but the chili since you brought it up.

I know.

It's such a chilly day, and you usually don't get a chili day in June.

In the summer, yeah.

Maybe you'd want to fire off a text to Ben or just like place an Instacart order?

I'll do it after.

It's still early.

It's like not even 10.30.

Like I can wait.

That's true.

But I would love an afternoon chili because I don't want to, you know, have it for a late dinner and just, you know, heft up.

Plus the heartburn would be horrible for me.

But it'll be worth it for Ben's chili.

Oh, yeah, but no, I just can't go to sleep soon thereafter, or I'll wake up in pain.

Our next story, a little nuptial news.

John Hamm marries his fiancé, Anna Osciola, where they filmed the madmen finale.

So, this story is really interesting.

It's very mad men-filled.

It is because John Ham married his girlfriend fiancé, Ham.

Is that what I said?

Yeah, you just give him like a like kind of like a British.

That's how he pronounces it.

Yeah.

And they got married in Big Sur, California.

Now,

his

now wife, Anna, was on an episode of Mad Men that was filmed in Big Sur, California.

But she was like an extra.

She was a receptionist at that facility he went to.

Right.

Her name was Clementine.

They met then.

He was with a longtime partner.

I don't know what happened between them, if anything happened.

That was filmed in 2015.

And then John Hamm didn't split from his partner until a few years ago.

I had no idea that John Hamm had a girlfriend, had a fiancé.

I had no, like, if you would have asked me, I either would have said he's single or he's been married a hundred years.

Like, he's not, he's not like, um,

like very public with his relationships.

I feel like he doesn't even have social media.

He was previously in a long-term relationship with actress and screenwriter Jennifer Westfeld from 1997 to 2015.

And then 2015 is when they filmed.

Well, something.

Turdy Lou, are you understanding?

Oh, Jennifer Westfeldt.

Yeah, I know this bitch.

She

is from one of my least favorite movies.

She's from Younger.

Yes, she plays Peter Herman's ex-wife.

But it was 2015 they split up and it was 2015 that they filmed.

Yeah.

I thought there was like, oh, he met her, he went home to his wife, and then they reconnected years later.

I believe, I feel like she's also from He's Just Not That Into You.

Maybe not.

Yeah, there's definitely something.

There's a timeline overlap, something.

That's just like so crazy that really an extra could catch his eye like that.

Yeah, I mean, this girly is giving extras everywhere, like hope.

It's really beautiful, and it's cute that they got married in the place that they met.

I kind of feel like it's a coincidence.

I think it is too.

I think Big Sur is like a, you know, a destination.

People from California.

It's definitely a coincidence.

And actually, I don't know.

Now I don't know.

Wait, the actual scene that they filmed together was in Big Sur.

Yeah.

It's no, it's got to mean something.

Yeah.

And now that I realize, like, it was 2015 that they met, and it was 2015 that he left Jennifer, like, it was Big Sir that brought them together.

Yeah.

No, definitely.

Like, this is like a shady, like, overlap, like, time-lapse.

You know what?

It's giving, like, Don Draper and Megan.

Yes, it is.

Yeah.

And that Jennifer is Betty.

Jennifer is Betty.

Like, part of me always wanted Betty and Don Draper to get back together, even though, like, they were so, he was so toxic.

And, like, she was so much happier with like her new man in her big house, like, political king.

Like, I loved how it ended for both of them, but, like, I did chip.

Not how it ended.

Well, that's why how did it end?

Spoiler alert.

I think Betty died.

What?

She had cancer.

Wait, I need to Google this.

Hold on.

Let me Google it.

Wait.

Why do I not remember her dying?

Do you remember her having cancer?

Kind of.

Yeah.

And then, you know, the last two episodes of like any show are just kind of like a hodgepodge, and you don't

remember the details.

You remember the show as it was and like the storylines, not really the ending so much.

Like, how did it even end for Don?

He could,

I mean, that's like,

yeah, it's like one of the

most

debated endings in TV history.

Right, but like, even in the few episodes before the ending, like, he was like in a diner.

What was he doing?

He was struggling.

He went to rehab.

Yeah.

See, towards the end, it's just like.

Yeah, it's all a blur.

Yeah.

Well, this ending is happy for John Hamm.

I'm happy for him.

I'm happy for him, too.

Are you ready?

Do you like those pictures of him in the gray sweatpants?

Yeah.

That's what I I think about when I think about John Hamm.

Oh, it's not what I think about.

I really think about Don Draper, and then my second thought is like, John Hamm is actually like a clown and so unlike Don Draper and not a clown in a negative way.

Like he's so silly and unserious.

Oopsie.

Actually, what I think about a lot when I think of John Hamm, which is pertinent, is his role in 30 Rock.

And Tina Fey was at the wedding.

Yeah, he plays the Reverend.

No, in

Kimmy Schmidt.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, they are really tight because she did Kimmy Schmidt too.

But I think of him as her neighbor who she becomes obsessed with and then dates.

Yeah, but he, like, is too good looking and he doesn't have the

perils of being average looking.

Right, right.

That was such a funny episode.

Yeah.

Okay, let's get into our next story.

I want to get your take.

Taylor Swift apparently rejected Megan Markle's invitation to appear on her now-canceled podcast.

Which isn't a crazy story until you learn what happened, actually.

Like, Megan

wrote a handwritten personal letter to Taylor, like

really like passionate about how she wanted Taylor on her show.

And Taylor's representative said no.

Like it didn't even get a response from Taylor.

Yeah, so Megan reportedly penned a personal note to Taylor asking the pop star to be a guest on Archetypes, only to be shut down.

Taylor rejected the invitation, according to the Wall Street Journal, and didn't even bother responding herself, instead, having a rep decline on her behalf in what could be seen as a diss to the Duchess.

So I have a lot of thoughts on this.

My first thought, which is actually not my lasting thought, but my initial thought was like, she was dating Joe at the time.

And at the

entire time that Megan's been like with Harry, Taylor's been with Joe.

And like, if Joe is a royalist, like a monarchist.

Right.

Then maybe he influenced Taylor to like have negative thoughts about what Megan and Harry did.

Jackie, I literally thought the same thing.

But then I was like, okay, that's like kind of pie in the sky.

But now that I think about it, like and we know what Megan's show was.

It's all about like labels and kind of like having her guests like break down their walls and like talk about these things that people call them and like

that, which is like an insecurity for them.

It's a vulnerable space.

It's a vulnerable space.

And I just don't feel like Taylor is going to go and bear all

on a podcast.

And Megan Martin said that.

And there are so few moments in time where Taylor does interviews.

She's obviously when she's like promoting an album.

So it's entirely possible that when this request came in, Taylor was, Taylor, like pretty much never does press unless it's like the weeks leading up to an album release.

And then she'll do like Zane Lowe and a bunch of different like GMA trials.

We're talking about the music, though.

But like to just sit and talk about herself in such a raw conversation, like, I just feel like.

And she doesn't know Megan.

And Megan, and I feel like Megan's show, it's not what I would think of as like really having like genuine convers.

It was very like scripted.

And it's just like not where you're going to go and really bury your soul.

Like, yeah.

And I feel like that's what she would have wanted from Taylor.

And I agree with you.

Maybe like Taylor just said no because she was like not in press mode, but why not respond to the personal letter?

Yeah, no, that part feels like a slight.

The Morgan Ladders.

The Morgan Ladders went unresponded to.

The Markle Ladders.

I don't know what it means.

It's also entirely possible that like she just hits so many requests.

Like this one's not particularly special.

Like yeah, She's a duchess sure but like I'm sure the people I'm sure Oprah wants to interview Taylor like I'm sure she gets the best of the best

Yeah, I'm sure that she does and if she was going to do that sort of interview it'd be with someone who has like a

more established platform audience of having really like personal conversations

That are well received.

Not I'm not gonna like, you know, give you my heart and soul for the first season of your podcast that you're trying to make fetch happen.

So like random tangent, but you should watch, you know, Kelly went on Howard Stern.

I saw a clip.

I've seen a few clips.

You should watch the whole thing.

I think they get like real, real deep.

She also did like a great interview with Andy.

She's being like so open.

Andy was like, I'm so mad about how much money you have to pay your ex-husband.

She's like, you're mad?

Damn, Kelly.

Like, she's being savage.

And Andy, like, you know, Andy's so like gossipy.

He really brought it out.

Like the Howard Stern interview was like, you know, a lot of, I think maybe this was her first time on Howard Stern.

So it was like her whole career you know obviously divorce but also like breakaway like talking about everything more more at a glance whereas andy obviously keeps up with pop culture and he's talking about like what's going on right now yeah no i've seen she's been making the rounds and i've seen some clips but i haven't i haven't doven in

you should she's so funny and you know what you know what i love about kelly like what i've noticed just from watching she doesn't i feel like up until this album release like she hasn't been she doesn't like do interviews a lot she's more of an interviewer yeah so i'm learning a lot about her and like nobody makes Kelly laugh more than Kelly.

Like she's always answering questions and just cackling and I love that.

Like she makes herself cackle.

It's so, that's so me.

That's so me too.

Yeah, no, she's like, she's literally answering a question and she's like keeled over.

Like she can't stop laughing at her own response.

That's so funny.

I love that about her.

That's really cute.

I also haven't listened to the whole album yet, so that's why I'm not like ready to hear her talk about, like, I want to experience it.

And I've only listened to like the first three songs or something.

Okay.

like, I just haven't been in a music space.

Maybe tomorrow, like, while I do my makeup, because I'm coming to the studio, Jackson Studio.

Can't wait.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes.

Our next two stories, actually, fourth and fifth, are both some book news.

Fourth being that

what's her face, Colleen Hoover.

What's her face?

Sorry.

It says it ends with us author.

I'm like, no, Colleen.

What's her name?

Yeah.

Colleen Hoover addresses.

Sorry, Colleen.

I'm just, you know, pregnancy.

No disrespect.

But it is such a disrespectful thing to say.

What's her?

It's literally the most disgusting thing you could say.

Like, what's her name?

Like, tell me, like, tell me you care less about someone.

I'm calling her what's her name.

I care.

No, I'm not talking about you.

I'm saying just like, what's her name?

Like that whole thing in general.

But I just meant like, you know, what's her name?

Pregnancy brain.

Sorry, Colleen.

Yeah, it's fine.

It's fine.

Colleen Hoover addresses controversy surrounding the casting of Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni.

So, at Book Bonanza, Colleen Hoover spoke about the upcoming movie adaptation of It Ends With Us and addressed some of the controversy surrounding the film.

And actually, some of it, what she said, was straight facts.

So, since announcing that Blake and Justin will play Lily and Ryle in the film, Colleen has faced backlash because of the significant age discrepancies between the actors and their characters.

Blake is 35 while Lily was 23, and Justin is 39 while Ryle is 30.

Now five months.

Not so bad.

Not so bad, but the Blake Lively one for sure.

Five months after their casting, Hoover has an explanation for the age gap.

She said, back when I wrote It Ends With Us, the new adult genre was very popular.

You were writing college-age characters.

That's what I was contracted to do.

Then she said, I didn't know that neurosurgeons went to school for 50 years.

There's not a 20-something year old neurosurgeon.

That's true.

She viewed the adaptation as an opportunity to remedy her error.

Her error.

She said, I started making this movie.

I'm like, we need to age them out because I messed up.

So that's my fault.

So she made the characters age appropriate to the story.

Because otherwise, people who like never read the book would be like, okay, this 29-year-old neurosurgeon.

Can't be a neurosurgeon.

Yeah, yeah.

I feel that.

And it's probably still.

And she's not going to do it twice.

No, no, that I understand.

But then also she talks about the clothes.

But first, she said that she is so happy with the cast, especially Blake Lively, who she's been obsessed with since Gossip Girl.

Then she said people are upset about the outfits and whatnot.

Her advice is simply to wait until the film hits theaters.

She said she loves the costuming conversations that set photos from the film have generated.

And she has a message for her fans.

You've seen a couple of outfits that are completely out of context.

I'm not worried about it.

Okay.

Oh, okay.

Cause like, you know, we only saw her outside and it's very possible like when she's outside, she just grabbed her shit and ran because her husband is crazy.

Like maybe that's what we were seeing maybe and she said i i don't remember describing outfits at all like in the book i don't care what they have on in my head it's about the conversation they're having in the story which i agree about a book but like a movie is a very visual experience and like outfits maketh characters no when people describe like what they're wearing or how they look in a book it goes in one ear and out the other like they will tell me that this character they will tell me that this character is blonde like a thousand times in my mind she has red hair like i just i it doesn't stick with me like visual descriptions are irrelevant, but this is a movie.

No, I know.

And that's so funny because when we do Redheads episodes, sometimes the Hollywood treatment, like, we choose different hair colors and we're like, wait, she was a brunette.

And you're just like, I didn't see it like that.

No, it doesn't matter.

Like, one of my favorite books is One True Loves by Taylor Jenkins Reed.

And like, the main character has a pixie cut.

And when I tell you, I read that and like threw it out.

Like, it was just, it was irrelevant because she was like a cute little blonde girl with like hair down to her ankles.

Like, it literally, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, I agree.

So that does give me like a little more hope for the movie.

Yeah, no, I mean, the first thing makes sense.

That doesn't make it better, but it makes sense.

The second thing is actually, like, that's facts.

Like, we literally saw three outfits.

How many outfits?

The movie takes course over the, like, I think like a few years.

Yeah,

but also

now we're, it's a little bit.

Confusing on the other end because I feel like so much of the story is about like Lily being young and a little naive and like caught up in this relationship.

But if she's 35, like she has years, she should have like, be a little more more more yeah um no that's experience and and you know what were her other relationships like in the in the 20 years since atlas

right because

that's true because like in the book she um

she's like literally on her own for the first time and like that makes her so much more vulnerable and susceptible to like a powerful rich man who's older than her who's like saying all the right things and she's not like you know looking out for sure so she just runs away and gets married.

Like it's not crazy because she's, you know, with someone who gets it.

Yeah.

No, that's true.

So we'll see how Colleen figures this one out, how Colleen sees it.

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Our fifth and final story is a little more author news.

Ellen Hildebrand is on her book tour for her new book and she's sharing what's next in her career.

She said she's kind of like done with writing about Nantucket.

Yeah, she, I saw, she was on what, like GMA or something or the day.

She saw CBDS this morning.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

And she,

she basically was like, I mean, Nantucket's really small.

Like I've literally written about like every place, every corner.

Like I might have to move.

No, I know, but I just thought since she's written so many books about a place that's so small, it's like, then she could write so many more because I feel like there would only be like three or four books to write, but she's literally written 30.

So what's 40?

I do love, I mean, it's obviously like a privileged position to be in, to like to be able to go out on top and like decide like, I'm done.

Well, so she's talks about like the next step for her or like the next thing she's going to do, which is actually really funny because it, it's exactly what we were just talking about.

She has a podcast coming out.

It's called like Beach Books and something, and they have like authors on, and it's giving Carrie Bradshaw like wrote all these books now as a podcast.

But also what I found really interesting is that she's co-authoring a book with her daughter about two books about about like a New England boarding school, which sounds so good.

That does sound so good.

And you know what's so funny?

Ellen Hildebrand, I feel like somebody said this.

It might have been me, but it might have been someone else.

That Ellen Hildebrand is the Nancy Myers of writing.

Yes.

Oh, I didn't say that?

Okay.

No, because I did a cute credit.

With like

book suggestions, recommendations.

And someone was like, what's a book that gives like Nancy Myers vibes?

And I was like, Golden Girl by Ellen Hildebrand.

And now that I think about it, Ellen Hildebrand is the Nancy Myers of books.

Facts.

Okay.

Like, I resonated with that so much i actually felt that i said it um

you ever have that feeling where like it's so true like i've made it up yeah no totally or it's like it's even nicer that you thought like maybe you saw it on tick tock and it's just like this viral thought yeah that we all agree with

but nancy myers works a lot with her daughter on like projects i feel like we were just talking about that and ellen's doing the same yeah no so that's a really cool position to be in and i feel like her daughter maybe her daughter went to a new england boarding school so she can give her mom like the facts and like yeah the actual logistics.

And then her mom can write like a great story.

But Ellen Hildebrandt also writes a lot of

stories set in the Virgin Islands.

That's like the other place that she frequents a lot.

Yeah.

Like if you, I read her Winter in Paradise series, which I didn't really like, but it was three books all set in like Virgin Gorda.

Oh my God, I love the Virgin Islands.

It's like one of my favorite places.

You should read the Paradise series.

Yeah, I've been to Virgin Gorda.

And there's three, and they're really like quick and short and cute.

But so she's done a lot of like stuff there too.

Interesting.

Yeah, but I mean, she's the queen.

She could do whatever she wants.

And if she wants to compete with the Redheads, like come at me, bro, with her podcast.

Just like you said, there's space for everyone.

There's definitely space for Ellen, but literally, it's so funny because I was trying to think at the beginning of the show of like a writer.

who then like now does a podcast.

And who's like getting older?

Yeah, Ellen Hildebrand.

Except like she's definitely going to keep writing.

And she should, she's, and her books aren't getting worse.

They're getting better.

They're getting better.

Well, she just came out with a new book.

So she's doing like a press for white, which is why she was on CBS Morning.

It's called like the five-star weekend or something.

Great.

I mean, her most recent book was Hotel Nantes.

Post.

Yeah, I like that one.

It was a little spooky.

Five Keys.

Five Keys, yeah, that's what it was reminding me of.

And before that was Golden Girl, which was so good.

Golden Girl.

I have made everyone in the book club read it because everyone loves Ellen Hildebrand, but I feel like that wasn't one of hers that like popped off.

So most of them hadn't read it.

And oh my God, everyone's obsessed with Golden Girl.

And if you

like, it's just, I just love that book.

I love it too.

And like everything she does, she really never flops.

Even her books that I'm like aren't my favorite.

Still, I'm recommending it to you, the Paradise series.

Totally.

Because I think you would really like it.

It was just what wasn't for me.

I was going to say something.

I keep trying to say it.

And before that was like 28 Summers.

Also good.

Which had everyone in a chokehold.

Yeah, it was very good.

Yeah.

And then also her show is her book is being made into a show.

So she's like booked and busy.

That's what I was saying.

Is that which one is being made?

28.

The perfect couple.

So she obviously like is making a lot of money.

Netflix just announced the cast.

It's like Nicole Kidman, Megan Fahey, Dakota Junk, Dakota Fanning.

Like it's star-studded.

Ellen's fine.

No, Ellen is fine and she is busy.

It's not just a once-a-week podcast she's working on.

No, she's booked and busy.

Yeah.

And if you ever want to meet her, I think you just have to go to Nantucket and like walk the streets for five minutes and she's there.

Like she's a Nantucket celebrity.

Yeah, that's what Snitch and her friends did.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

They met Ellen.

Yeah.

But they also took that trip because of Hotel Nantucket.

I also, um,

when I saw what Ellen Hildebrandt looked like, it's so funny when you read books and you become familiar with someone and then like you see what they look like.

I would have imagined Ellen Hildebrandt to look like Nancy Myers, like coastal grandmother, but she's like very sexy.

Have you seen her?

She's like hot.

Yeah, yeah, but to me, she looks like what you think.

Like, it's all congruous with her books.

Most of the time, I'll like read a book or an author, and then I like see the author, and I'm like, oh my God, that's not what I expected.

No, no, when like the author page comes up, I swipe so fast.

Like, I don't want to know what an author looks like.

I feel like it really fucks with me.

It really does.

For me, it's hard because when we do redheads, I like tag the author.

So I I have to find their Instagram and I like to follow every author that we have read.

Cute.

And then I and then I see the author.

You know, and it just like it gets in your brain.

And you need to have like a totally unbiased, like clean slate approach when you're reading a new book.

Yeah, especially in like the smut category.

Oh, yeah.

Knowing, you know, someone has kids and they wrote, like, it's just, I don't want to know that much.

I want it like to be anonymous.

I completely agree.

Yeah, we need to go back to like pen names.

Yes.

Anonymity.

Yeah, but I mean, if you want to put it out there,

put it out there.

Put it in the book.

Literally.

Well, those were great stories, Jax.

Thanks.

Yeah, they were fun.

And I love a little book news.

Plus, those are like the two queens of

the writing world right now.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I believe that's all she wrote, correct?

That's all we got for you.

Tomorrow I'll be back in the studio, which I'm I'm really excited about.

Wednesday, we have...

GBT.

GBT is making her return.

Thursday, you're in studio with me again.

And then Friday, remote, because it's Friday.

It's like a summer Friday.

And it's like the biggest holiday weekend of all because it's like five days.

Oh, yeah, yeah, because we won't be back on the podcast till Wednesday because of July 4th.

Yeah, because July 4th falls on a Tuesday.

You can really extend.

Oh, you're going away.

Yeah.

Fun.

But not till Sunday.

Oh, cool.

That's what you get when you have a really long weekend.

That's what you get when you let your heart win.

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