Couple Of Mugs: Friday, June 23rd, 2023

Welcome back to the toast and happy

Friday, Friday.

Gotta get down on Friday.

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend.

Weekend.

That's right, bitches.

It's motherfucking Friday.

It's mother trucking Friday, bro.

Hey, bro, how you dern?

I'm good.

How are you doing?

You're sitting in front of a gorgeous Impressionist painting in this art location.

Yes, I'm podcasting from the Hamptons.

Me and Ben taking our first official road trip with the new vehicle.

We drove the new vehicle last night to the Hamptons and it was a gorgeous ride.

Ben hadn't driven it yet.

If you saw the vlog, you know that like I had to drive it home from the lot by myself, which was so scary.

So we're just like loving life with the freedom of having your own car.

Amazing.

I'm so glad you put it to great use.

What are you guys getting up to in the Hamptons today?

Well, today it's like a little cloudy and it's still a workday so i'm podcasting ben thank god we're staying at this place i'll tell everyone about it when i leave it's really cute um we have like this little cottage with the backyard ben is working outside because if i had to hear his

call voice i seriously like i would blow my own brains out i can't with my husband's voice on a call first of all he talks so loud for no reason so loud are you ever in the car on a call like i feel as though my eardrums were gonna give up

am i ever in a car on a call yes i swear to god certain times, like when Ben's talking on the phone in the car, something about the pitch of his voice goes straight to the center of my brain.

And I seriously, I don't know, it's like a reflex.

I literally could reach over and punch him straight in the jaw.

Like, I don't know what it is.

It's infuriating.

Infuriating.

So I hear you have a backyard.

I know Theo's not there, but could he have been there?

Honestly, I don't know if this is like a

pets, pet-friendly property.

I'm sure that it is.

I didn't even ask.

I didn't realize what we'd have would have like enough space.

There's like a literally a fenced in yard.

I totally could have brought him, but Theo is so happy to be with his grandparents this weekend.

It's not even an issue.

No, I'm sure it's not.

I just,

I think of him.

I worry about him.

You fear for him.

No, I fear for you and your fears.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I fear for everything.

I think the toast to this week has taught us all that.

It has, it really has.

That's been a learning lesson.

It's been a great week of the toast.

It has.

So much jacks.

So much jacks.

Even though it was only a four-day week, we had Stasi, we had book launch.

Oh my God, not Stasi being this week.

I know.

Speaking of book launch, though, Claudia and I recorded a Patreon episode yesterday that will be up right when you're listening to this episode.

And it's all about the book, The Camper and the Counselor, taking all of your questions about how I got it published, how I found the illustrator, what the process was like, you know, the journey, where I pulled inspiration from.

Right.

Who is the counselor?

And more importantly, who is the camper?

And who is the camper going to be?

Thought-provoking sentence.

The rest is still unwritten.

The rest is still unwritten.

So check that out, patreon.com slash the toast.

It's podcast and video, just like the regular episodes of the toast.

So if you are missing seeing our faces today, we're there on the Patreon.

Yes, today is audio only.

And that's because your girl looks ugly.

I look so ugly.

But I feel at peace.

You know, something at the Hamptons is very relaxing.

And because because you're in the Hamptons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I would have done like Zoom.

You know, I just hate Zoom episodes.

That is, well, first of all, don't call it Zoom because we don't use Zoom.

And Zoom podcasting is a horrible experience.

It's not, it's not a quality experience.

But we do have like a pretty good situation for when we want to do video remote.

But, you know, you're not missing anything with these face, these, with these mugs.

With these mugs.

That's what I look like today, like Muggy-O.

We got a couple of mugs on.

Mugs.

You only need to hear our sparkling personalities and our beautiful voices.

Yeah, I don't know if I would call my voice beautiful.

My voice isn't something like I'm proud of.

My singing voice, yes, but my podcasting voice, like I actually find it so cringe.

But you wouldn't have your singing voice without your talking voice.

So true.

You said it there, sister.

So you really shouldn't put yourself down.

When you sit down to like remote podcast, what are like the things you have around you that you just need while you podcast?

Obviously besides your equipment.

Like I always have a lot of stuff.

But today Zach was not available to make me one.

So it's just water for me.

I always have like a drink.

I always have Aquaphor.

There's like a few things I always just like need.

You know, maybe I'll put on some Aquaphor.

Got a fresh tub, but what's better than a fresh tub of Aquaphor?

Oh, yeah.

What are you going to do since you're not sitting at your vanity like combing your eyebrows the whole time?

I know.

I'm like in a different spot.

I'm like so bored.

Yeah, yeah.

No, maybe, maybe podcast.

Maybe like listen?

Maybe listen.

I'll see.

Maybe listen and learn.

Listen

to the sound from deep within.

We've got a ratio today.

We obviously have some, you know, conclusive updates from the saga that's taken over everyone's week, the submersible stuck, you know, at the Titanic.

It's bad news.

It could be worse.

I think out of all the theories that were popping around, a lot of people were hoping for this one.

So we'll get into that, along with some other just details that are coming out.

So many people.

About the circumstances, people who were supposed to be on.

James Cameron speaking out.

Yes, James Cameron.

Yeah, he's not holding back.

I mean, he's qualified.

He is qualified.

He's been down there.

I wasn't sure if he had been, but he has spent time down there.

He's obviously

been down there 50 times.

Is there a safe way to go down?

I don't think anything is like completely safe because it's like an unregulated whatever.

But I think like he went to the best of the best of the best of the best.

And he said himself, he was like, I've gone down a bunch of times, always by myself.

I would never make anyone come down with me.

I would never ask anyone to come down with me because it's, you know, it's unknown.

Like he's in a one-man vehicle?

Or like with the professionals who do this.

You know, he didn't take like a co-director or a family member.

Got it.

Like Hamish.

Right.

Okay, well, we could get into everything.

I guess.

I guess it feels like it's so

soon, but I guess we're kind of all caught up for the week.

Like, what did I do?

Oh, I watched Kardashians last night, which we have a Kardashian story.

So I'll talk about my thoughts then.

Okay, I didn't watch it yet.

I've been seeing like a bunch of stuff, but something kind of like...

monumental did happen to me last night.

I totally forgot to tell you.

What?

Before we drove out to the Hamptons, we went out to dinner and I found a hair in my dish.

No,

yeah, no.

I won't sully the name of the restaurant because it was a clean facility and they were so apologetic and they comped my ice cream, which was great.

But I just wanted to let everyone know I found a hair in my dish, you know?

That's upsetting.

My night was ruined, so so should yours.

No, that's messed up that you would tell us that.

Oh, is it?

Some people are eating.

Yeah, okay, well, I so was I.

So was I

Damn turdy.

Yeah, so now that I've ruined everyone's day and appetite, I think we can get into it.

Now we could get into the fast-dyed stories that you need to know.

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Okay, our first story is an update, the update on the Titanic submersible.

Debris from the Ocean Gate expedition's Titan submersible was found on Thursday, which would confirm that all those aboard had perished.

The Coast Guard said yesterday the array of debris on the ocean floor found 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic meant that the craft would have suffered a catastrophic implosion sometime after it had been lost one hour and 45 minutes into its dive to the wreck, 12,500 feet below the surface on Sunday.

So, I guess there's like no way of knowing how long

after things went wrong and before it imploded.

Knowing that it imploded, I think I read it's like a nanosecond it takes for like your spine.

Like, like they went peacefully, but who knows what the hours leading up to that were?

Did it happen, you know, the second they lost communication an hour and a half in?

That would be, you know, best case scenario, or were they sitting there, you know, freaking out, wondering what's going going on?

So I think they had no idea what was about to happen.

Also, I'm not sure if you saw, but a top secret U.S.

Navy sonar detected the Titan sub implosion hours after the submersible lost contact with the mothership.

So basically since the 1950s, there have been like, there's been audio technology in the ocean that like the U.S.

has to detect if enemy submarines are coming.

And

those detection systems heard an implosion that was likely the Titanic sub

do they know what time they're not giving us a specific time but then the question is why are we just learning that yesterday why did we all count down this oxygen tank oh yeah um and no one's that wasn't even legit what well no like yeah it's a little it's a little shady

Conspiracy.

Yeah, a little conspiracy.

Because then right after they reached their conclusion of, you know, we found debris and it probably imploded.

Now we're hearing that the U.S.

Navy knew that the day it happened on Sunday.

Well, maybe like the Navy heard it, but like, again, the ocean is so vast and so crazy.

Like, how are they to assume at first?

No, at first, but like then there's this huge

mission.

And so, and then they spent millions of dollars on a rescue mission.

And so it's like, why did they allow

all of the different entities to spend all this time, money, and hope

if they knew that something imploded in the ocean at the same time that that thing went missing.

I wonder if the families knew.

I don't think so.

Damn.

This whole story is just like willy central.

Like it gives me the willies.

Yeah, oh, for sure.

But I do think, like you said, out of all possible outcomes where they don't come back alive, this is kind of best case because they might have just been, you know, on their way down, excited.

And boom, before they could even process, like not even a second, less than, like, they wouldn't have even known what was happening.

And then it was over.

Yeah, I think out of all the terrible ways this could have gone down, this was one of the better ones.

Obviously, the best one would have been them coming back.

But

now we're just like getting so many details about like the people inside.

I think a lot of people like are really drawn and just having a lot of sympathy for the 19-year-old boy who was on there.

And I believe it was his aunt who like spoke to some publication saying he really did not want to go on this thing.

Like he was freaked out.

It was a Father's Day thing for his dad and he was just like doing it to make his dad happy, but like he really did not want to be on that vessel.

Yeah, I saw that so sad so so sad and then also I saw this morning that there was a different father-son duo who were supposed to go or the CEO was trying to get them to do it and the son of that father like he wasn't he him and his friends like researched it and was like dad this is weird Yeah, and so they didn't go because the son didn't want to go but like the the dad shared the text messages that he had with like Stockton Rush, the CEO.

And at one, like he said, that his son, my son's friend researched what could go wrong and put a little scare in him.

I'm trying to talk him down.

He's excited to go, but concerned about the danger.

And the CEO goes, I'm happy to have a video call with him.

Curious what the uninformed would say the danger is and whether it's real or imagined.

Ooh, not the gaslighting.

Yeah.

So was Stockton on the ship?

Yes.

Right.

So like now it's like who, um,

who's to blame?

Like, who bears responsibility for the loss of, you know, innocent lives?

I guess, but the company.

And I mean, that would be, you know, Stockton had he been alive, but there is another co-CEO, I think.

But the waivers that they signed were so extreme.

Like, I don't, they might be ironclad because they literally, they say death eight times in the whole thing.

Yeah.

That's so crazy.

And a bunch of people who are supposed to go, um,

This like world-renowned diver, his name is Chris Brown, which is just beyond confusing.

He was supposed to go.

There were a few people, but seeing how Stockton and like the text messages were sent were so shady because this thing cost $250,000.

And I think he was like offering a deal for his son and him, like $100 each.

It's like so like ranking.

It was like last minute pricing because nobody's going to be able to do it.

Rinky digo.

Rinky dank.

Such a terrible story.

I guess, you know, in terms of an ending,

this is one of the better case scenarios.

Like, you know, imagining them suffering there, like freezing, freaking out for days on end is so horrible.

So,

obviously, it would have been better had they returned and,

you know, lived to tell the tale.

But I guess this out of all the ways it could have ended, this isn't the worst one.

Yeah, I just want to know why we didn't know on Sunday that they heard an implosion because all week we're like, there's banging on the seafloor.

Like, we knew every little detail of what was purportedly heard but not that there was that there's audio technology in the ocean that picked this up yeah also that's just like a crazy thing to have audio in the ocean well it's so crazy because i'm currently reading this book that's about world war ii and like they're truly um

the girls in the um

the main characters in the book, they work at this like station that is responsible for decoding German like Morse code and stuff, like to see if they'll crack what the Germans are up to.

And like that was their version of like spying.

And now it's like, imagine if we had had these little sonars in the ocean in World War II.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

We got to drown them Nazis, you know?

Yeah, I'm sure that this, that these sonars are a response to World War II because they had all those like German U-boats blowing up ships.

And this technology is from the 1950s, which is right after.

Right.

So

that's that on that in the submersible story.

I guess so.

I'm sure more stuff will come out.

More stuff will come out.

And literally everything, every headline is just some facet of this story.

I think people are really captured by it.

All the people who have ever gone down to the Titanic are speaking out.

Family members of Titanic

victims are like, this is a grave site.

Why is it a tourist destination?

It's so true.

But I also do think sometimes grave sites are tourist destinations, like not in a negative way, but like the Holocaust.

Yeah, no case you're right.

They're like museums.

Yeah.

Hmm.

And so, yes, James Cameron, I think he did an interview or something.

He's been very outspoken about the whole

saga.

Yeah.

He is kind of the authority to lay people such as us on the Titanic.

No, it's true.

And, you know, it's not like he's underqualified for that role.

Like, yeah, he's a movie director, but he did the research.

He's been down there.

But it's not like us, you know, listening to Leo because he played Jack Dawson.

Yeah,

exactly.

James Cameron literally built the Titanic in order to make the movie.

Like, he had to

build the ship, you know, every detail,

all the decoration.

Like, he knows everything.

He's well-versed.

Yeah, he is.

And I read that one book, so I feel like I'm like number two.

I would agree.

And I saw the movie, so I think that makes me like number three.

And the movie's pretty close.

It's historical fiction, but they got a lot of...

You know,

last night at dinner, I was with Ben's family.

We were obviously talking about the submersible.

Like, what else is anyone talking about?

I found out Ben has never seen Titanic.

Hmm.

Isn't that crazy?

Now, in thinking about it and knowing Ben, it's not.

Yeah.

I mean, I've only seen it like maybe like once or twice.

You guys should sit down and watch the whole thing.

It's amazing.

I know.

Maybe like tonight, a rainy day, Titanic.

We have dinner plans.

Rainy day.

What about day?

Ben's working all day.

I'm literally like gonna go gallivant on my own.

Or you're gonna watch the Titanic.

Yeah, I have to see if the TV has Netflix.

Hmm.

Well,

that's that on that.

Yeah, really sad.

Terrible.

Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm.

Kesha and Dr.

Luke have settled their defamation case out of court, signaling an end to the long legal drama.

Kesha and producer Dr.

Luke have settled their definition dispute out of court.

Both parties announced Thursday with each releasing a quote related to the settlement that indicated they mutually see this as the end of their road for their lengthy legal disputes.

Dr.

Luke said in his statement, like he's not a doctor, is he?

That's a good question.

I think it's like a stage name.

It's just like rude.

Because

it's hard to be a doctor.

A doctor?

Oh, maybe he has like his doctorate of music.

Maybe he's like a PhD.

He's no, he's just known professionally as Dr.

Luke, but his name is Lucas Sebastian Gottwald.

Okay, my theory was very generous.

Beyond.

Dr.

Luke said in his statement that he wishes Kesha well, while the singer said that she wishes nothing but peace to all parties involved, as the court dramas apparently draw to a close.

Kesha said, only God knows what happened that night.

As I always said, I cannot recount everything that happened.

I'm looking forward to closing the door.

On this chapter of my life, I'm beginning a new one.

I wish nothing but peace to all parties involved so was dr luke suing kesha for defamation yes

after

she had sued him alleged yeah yeah right

um that's like such a fucking bold thing to do like it's widely known allegedly

that you know dr luke has allegedly

you know

done stuff.

So like he got accused and he like technically, I think in a legal sense got away with it and then to like go after someone for defamation I mean that's fucking balls Yeah

nuts.

I'm happy for Kesha that this can be behind her.

I'm not sure it was like the exact outcome but I'm sure after years and years of just like being in the legal system and not getting anywhere really

It's nice to just tabula Rasa.

It's just like enough.

Yeah.

And she's been like, you know, putting forth new music and just like building her career back up and nobody needs this hanging over their head.

No.

yeah, no, I'm sure, like, yes, it's not exactly how she would have wanted, it's not real justice being served, but at some point, like, I'm sure she just wants to move on with her life, yeah.

And as for Dr.

Luke, I hope you somewhere praying,

right?

I do.

I hope your soul is changing,

true.

I hope you find your peace

falling on your knees,

praying.

That song is so good.

It is.

It's probably Kesha's best song.

Yeah.

Sometimes

I pray for you at night.

Like that bridge, especially when she performed at the Grammys with all those ladies.

I hope someday you'll see the light.

Oh,

some say

in life you're gonna get what you give.

Oh, but some things things only God can forget.

Like, I don't know how you don't get chills when you hear that song.

They're gonna throw you overboard.

They're gonna throw me overboard.

There literally are.

Yeah.

What do you think is her best song?

Um, I have to pull up her album, but I used to listen to her music like in colle, like, all the time in college, and they were obviously like the classics that we danced to.

Sit sack, like Timber.

I know that's her and Pitbull, but but like that song is a

certified bop.

Is that the same song as I hear your heart

beat to the beat of the drum?

That is Ben Soffer's number one song of all time.

Like when that song comes on, Ben Soffer's pussy popping on the dance floor.

No, it's true.

It's that good.

But like, yeah, no, it's good.

I'm looking at her album Animal and like all of the songs are so good.

Like read them to me.

Your love is my drug, TikTok.

Take it off.

Cause you love, you love you love that one's good uh take it off kiss and tell

yeah you do you know all of these steven um but one that i love which is so random is dancing with tears in my eyes yes i know you put that on the quarrenstines playlist it's just oh it was such a quarrenstines vibe yeah uh

warrior die young i mean

No, she's like an underrated hitmaker.

And I hope she didn't just get back to that now.

Focus on that.

Exactly.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm sure it's just been like a really toxic negative few years for Kesha and I'm looking forward to ushering in Kesha's next next era whatever that may be yes are you ready for our next story is this number three or number two number three okay yeah I'm ready Andy Clohen is slamming the insane rumor that Megan Markle faked podcast interviews so

Andy is jumping to Megan Markle's defense after it was claimed that she didn't conduct her own interviews on the newly axed podcast archetypes.

He called the rumor insane.

He said, of course I spoke with Megan and she definitely interviewed me.

That's an insane rumor, he told us weekly.

Her podcast is conversations with people.

How would she not have, of course she did.

Well, if you read Andy's book, you know that they did have the conversation together for the podcast, but there were other people who were on the podcast.

Just they weren't like major, major celebrities.

They might have been like experts or professors.

And somebody, a few of them were doing an interview and just said that they were interviewed by a producer.

Yeah, I'm sure for the big ones, the big wigs, they got Megan.

But also now what Andy had said about

his experience doing her podcast is also kind of resurfacing.

Of course.

So it's like, he's not saying he had a great time, but it was Megan.

But it was her.

Andy's actually making a lot of news because he had Kelly Clarkson on Radio Andy.

And Andy brought up her infamous tweet, Kelly's infamous tweet, when the whole Taylor Swift scooter Braun Masters thing went down.

Kelly Clarkson was the one who like innocently tweeted, like, Taylor, you should get back in the studio and just like re-record all your own albums.

Your fans will love it and you'll get to own it.

It was like so innocent.

And then that's actually what Taylor ended up doing.

And Andy was just asking her about that tweet.

And she said, actually, like, that like created beef between her and Scooter Braun.

She doesn't really like work with Scooter Braun, but Scooter Braun called her manager.

And he like took that tweet as like an assault on his name.

She was like, it literally had nothing to, she responded to Andy.

She was like, it had nothing to do with scooter it was just like an idea that I had because I know owning her masters is really important to her and I knew her fans would support her it was like not this you know calculated threat to scooter brawn and then she later ran into scooter brawn and he brought it up again like she said it was like completely innocent

of course it was when has kelly ever done anything nefarious when has kelly ever been anything other than innocent literally

literally i'm loving all this kelly promo though because she's obviously gearing up for her big album release and you know kelly's making waves kelly's making news yes she is she did like that Apple Beats one with Zane show.

She's on.

I have a question.

I have a question.

No disrespect.

Zayn Law is an amazing interviewer.

Does anybody listen to that?

I think.

I feel like Taylor went on it.

Every, it's like a major step.

If you're releasing music, you absolutely have to do that.

And I'm sure it has something to do with like, you know, wanting, you know, good placement on Apple streaming.

It's like a good partnership thing.

But does anybody sit down and listen to Zane Law?

I think the fans of that artist do.

Right.

I did not listen to Kelly, but I think it's really for like it's a great place for the fans to go.

I don't know that he has so many fans who listen to every single episode.

It doesn't matter who the guest is.

I don't think it's meant to be that sort of show.

Got it.

Yeah, like I listened to Luke Hombs.

Right, right.

You're not really listening for like Zane, you're listening for your favorite artist.

Now,

what was

who had the Apple show before

that everyone was actually obsessed with

also with a Z Zach?

Do you know what I'm talking about?

No.

No, wait, hold on.

It's important.

Like, Liz Gillies went on it a thousand times.

Ariana went on it.

Oh, that's the friend.

It wasn't Apple.

It wasn't?

The Zach Sang show?

That wasn't Apple?

No.

Yes, it was.

I don't know, actually.

I think it was just his, like, show, Zach Sang.

No, because now he has a new show, a podcast.

But before that, he was like with

a big streamer.

I believe it was Apple.

Yeah, what happened to the Zach Sang show?

It was canceled after a nearly decade on the air, but what air

he brought it back and he still gets like major guests and it's good, but it was on like a big streamer.

I feel like I only ever saw it on YouTube.

It was somewhere.

Hold on, I'm on Wikipedia.

Yeah, me too.

He has a friend.

Yeah, it was from 2012.

From 2012 to 2022.

But it wasn't on Apple.

I apologize.

It was on WYD Media.

I never heard of that.

Yeah, I think it was just his YouTube show.

Westwood One.

I thought it was like a...

No, Westwood One.

It's a radio network.

Okay, I thought it was Apple.

I apologize.

But that was also like a big place like everybody used to go.

They still go.

Yeah.

But things just don't make waves like they used to.

And I feel like celebrities, you know, artists like will listen to music and stuff, but unless you're Taylor Swift, like

everybody's always sitting down.

Everyone's doing hot ones.

Everyone's like,

everyone's giving all of themselves up.

Everyone's in Haley's bathroom.

Like there's so many different places to go.

Yeah, I actually, I will say there are so many different places to go, but like.

Hot ones is actually like so different from everything else.

Everything is the same.

Yes.

No, no, no.

No, these are good shows.

No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I'm saying, like, Hot Ones is actually, in my opinion, like one of the probably best web shows, at least the most creative and most original

of our time.

Like, shout out to Hot Ones.

Yeah, I mean, everybody literally sits down and they're like, this is not going to be like other interview shows, and they're all the fucking same.

Hot ones is actually not like other interview shows.

Yeah, there's another.

Oh, like even Carpool karaoke at one time.

Was a disruptor.

Was a disruptor.

Hot ones is a disruptor.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

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Rihanna appoints a new CEO for Savage X Fenty.

The music superstar and business mogul is stepping down from her role as CEO of her lingerie brand, Savage X Fenty.

She is being replaced by former anthropology CEO, Hillary Super.

According to Vogue, Rihanna will remain executive chair.

In an interview with 40 Over 40, Super said she wants to be a relatable leader.

She said, I take my responsibility as a role model very seriously.

It is important to be able to visualize your future.

And I hope that I'm helping the young women on my team do that by seeing a strong, kind, relatable leader, but also by being resilient and fearless when things don't go as planned.

Okay, I love that, but like to call yourself a role model is like kind of a crazy thing to do.

Moving on, what is this giving, Jackie?

It's...

If you and I are on the same wavelength, like I will die.

Okay, let me think.

Like, this is Rihanna's company that she started, and they brought in a CEO for e-commerce.

Oh, the intern.

Yes.

Yeah, I guess.

But I feel like Rihanna doesn't get pushed out of anything.

No, by the way, in the intern, Ann Hathaway was getting pushed out.

I think Rihanna, like, wanted to get somebody.

I think they said, like, they're really trying to focus on e-commerce right now.

So they need someone with like a major e-commerce background.

I don't think this was like a slight towards Rihanna.

I think she probably wanted somebody to come in.

She's also like so busy with Fenty Beauty that like she really can't be everything to everyone.

And I think Fenty Beauty is probably her baby and it's bigger.

And also just like being a mom, she's about to give birth.

She wants to be able to take maternity leave.

I think she's trying to enjoy her life.

She's built these companies and she's been the face of them this entire time to get them to where they are.

But eventually you need to be able to offload it a little bit.

And so it's like the company needs to exist without you.

Right.

So she's taking like a more passive role while people run the day-to-day.

I think it's really smart.

It's what's best for like her ability to be a part of these companies.

Otherwise, you just burn out.

Yeah, no, I don't think this is like suspicious at all.

Like, I think people are always so quick to be like, oh, Rihanna's being pushed out.

No, this is like not suspicious at all.

I think it'll probably be really good for the company.

Because, like, Savage X-Fenty, I know it's like worth a billion dollars, but like, it feels kind of mysterious to me.

Like, where do you even purchase it?

Online, I'm seeing a picture here of a storefront in what looks to be like a mall sort of complex.

But I agree.

It just feels, it feels very like, I know it exists and I know it's big, but like I've never seen it.

Yeah, I agree.

It feels kind of like exclusive and not ubiquitous.

Yeah.

And perhaps that's what Hillary's here to do.

Perhaps that's what Hillary is here and to be a role model.

Well, I just want to say,

the first sentence said, I take my responsibility as a role model very seriously.

So I feel like maybe the question was like, how do you feel about being a role model?

You know what?

That's so fair of you to say.

And I take it back.

You're right.

She definitely, no one would just say like hey how are you well i'm a role model you know like yeah no you're right i feel like role model was in the question and we could probe and find her 40 over 40 interview which i didn't know that was a thing

oh i actually that's so funny that you brought that up because i was just reading this thread on twitter of all the people who've been named forbs 30 under 30 who are now in jail oh wow what are they in jail for Elizabeth Holmes.

Oh.

Or they're either in jail or like were arrested.

Martin Shkrelli, that pharmacist guy.

Oh, okay.

So they like, you you know, the businesses were fake.

Yeah.

Um, wait, there was more.

Uh, hold on, wait, wait, wait.

Oh, Sam Baker Friedman, the FTX guy.

Of course.

There was a bunch.

It was actually really funny.

That is really funny.

So then what about people in their 30s?

If it's like 30 under 30 and 40 over 40, then like while you're in your 30s, you don't.

You're just like irrelevant.

You're unqualified for any list.

Is it 40 over 40 or under 40?

Over.

Oh, yeah.

I guess Forbes doesn't see the 30s as like a valuable generation.

Good to know.

It could be 30 in their 30s.

Love that.

I think that's cute.

Yeah, I mean, I guess what, like, what they're like subconsciously saying is like, if you do something successful under the age of 30, like, that's impressive.

And if you do something over the age of 40 and we're still talking about you, like, I guess you're impressive too.

Not really.

I mean, people over the, most successful people are over the age of 40.

Over the age of 40.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think they just like lists.

I think they love a list.

Yes.

They're making a list and checking it twice.

Checking it twice to take the badoors down.

Yeah.

So congrats on the new CEO.

Yeah.

Congrats.

Congrats.

Congrats, Hillary.

Our fifth and final story, some cute news from Courtney Kardashian.

She's showing her baby bunk.

progress and saying it's been a minute since I've done this.

She did a Q ⁇ A asking for clean body care for during pregnancy because as she said, it's been a minute since she's done this.

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By the way, this is like must be so crazy to like experience pregnancy

in like two totally different places in your life.

Like, yes.

I feel like most people like bang out all the kids and then it's like they're in their baby making era.

And then after that, they're in their like, you know, after baby making era.

But to like experience it when you're like older and wiser and she's clearly like in such a happy, secure place in her life it's probably so crazy yeah and i'm really actually curious like what things she's gonna do differently in her pregnancy that like i wonder if she'll have like a natural birth i don't know if like with her it with rain like did she still have an epidural i'm sure i could watch an old episode of kardashians and like find out but like i could see her giving birth at home in the bathtub oh my god please no like i will never understand that she probably won't because of her age and i think that just like automatically makes her happy makes it high risk yeah no you're right.

But I'm loving this journey for her.

I wasn't in the studio on Tuesday when you guys like broke the news, but I think we talked about it.

But I just am so, so happy for her.

Me too.

Also, like, because last season, like watching her, you know, get her eggs and then knowing because, you know, that was a year prior, knowing that it like didn't work out for her.

That's like so tough.

And then seeing her.

She'd like posted on social media a few times when she was going through IVF and like all those things.

Like her body was just like so beat down and she was like so bloated and she had like bruises everywhere um i don't think like that journey made her happy at all so i think she gave that up for the sake of her own happiness and then to just like naturally get pregnant is so that's like it's like the definition of like god's plan yeah and you can i'm really happy for her feel how

how happy like

how much they want this and how happy they are so I'm happy for her too.

But I did watch Kardashians last night and it was good.

There were highs and lows.

Like

Lowe's being the way that they're talking about the Stolching on a fashion show.

I'm sure it was like a huge deal for Kim, but it was starting to give like SNL where it's like, This is now the fourth episode about this thing, and

it's acting like Kim has literally

gone to the moon.

Actually, I mean, they wouldn't even be as impressed by that as they are by this fashion show, and it's just like

it's really, really cool, but like

she put outfits together, four episodes, yeah, she put out, like, I mean, it's just like it skims to me is a bigger accomplishment than this.

So,

just the way that they're all talking about it, I'm like,

I'm not feeling that from what I'm seeing.

I'm feeling like this is a really cool opportunity, but like, we're not reinventing the words.

Let's move on.

Let's move on.

So, we, the other thing that's happening is like Courtney is still like processing her feelings.

She has a long conversation with her stylist, like, about how they picked the looks for the wedding.

It felt a little like planned, you know, just so she could get out there how like Dolce, and I thought this was interesting, like Dolce and Gabbana wanted the girls to be in like their lemon patterns.

You know, there's that like the whole motif that they have going on now is very

like painted lemons and flowers and everything.

And the girls, and I'm sure it was led by Courtney stylist, who was like the head stylist of the weekend, was like, no, we want to wear like these 90s looks.

We want like Dolce 90s.

Oh, by the way, that, even though it sounds like a planned conversation, that is pertinent information.

Yes.

No, I agree.

So it needed to be planned.

So even though Kim went out of her way not to do like the Madonna collection and the lace collection.

It's so niche.

It's all the same.

She was, it was all 90s stuff.

Like, and it's like,

why couldn't they do something else?

But clearly everyone like loves 90s.

And Kim has been like into 90s style for a while, but so has Courtney.

So it just turned out to be really similar.

And then like Kim was saying, you know, Courtney's Madonna dress that she wore.

Like, I actually wore that in 2018.

I didn't choose it like okay but then

clips even though Kim said that they didn't choose any looks from Courtney's wedding like Courtney actually cited like a butterfly dress that she wore and it was on the runway in black and Courtney wore it in red and like I don't think it's a big deal but it's like there was crossover you know there was cross-pollination and like with these two girls where everything is like so heightened and sensitive like they each are going like tit for tat and they're each making fair points about how like the other has wronged them yeah the thing is and then the clips that I've seen, it's like they're both, but more so specifically like Kim just being like mean about it, you know, like it's still your sister, like that clip of like Courtney saying, Kim saying that Courtney has no friends, but like all of her friends are telling her how similar it was.

Like that's just mean.

Yeah, so at the end of the episode, Kim has a conversation with Chloe like about how she's like feeling about Courtney and she is lit up.

Like she's not feeling sympathetic.

Like she's mad that Courtney is like taking away from her moment and like making it about her and everything.

And like even Chloe was like, you you need to, when you do talk to Courtney, you cannot have this energy.

Like, how dare you think I need your permission?

Like,

you have to just like listen to what she's saying.

So next week is the conversation.

Right.

So has the show even happened yet?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That the show was this week.

Okay, okay.

And it was just, there was so much.

There was the show and the dinner and all the accolades and everyone just like kissing.

Oh my God, we did it.

Like the biggest deal.

And like,

I don't, I just.

It's so crazy like what

like as an outsider what we see as like Kim's accomplishments and what she sees as her accomplishments because I think honestly

about SNL like you're doing them a favor by doing SNL like

she's giving them so much credit credit yeah so like I don't see this and I guess you know everyone's journey is their own and I feel like probably for Kim like after so many years of being like like a joke in the fashion world like she takes the acceptance from the fashion world so seriously it's like the most important thing to her when like she doesn't realize like what we we see.

Like you are the fashion world.

Like you don't need them.

Like we all look to you.

But what's important to her, like that's her own journey.

I just like, I don't see that.

I feel the same way about like the Met Gala.

Like even last season, they had a few episodes about like Kim's Marilyn transformation and the Met Gala and like just the way she speaks about the Met Gala with such reverence and like it's a it is it is a huge deal for her but like for us we're just like it's a party.

Right.

And it honestly if you and your family weren't there like less people would be watching.

right they really wouldn't care right

so maybe she just can't see herself the way that that we see her and that's a shame and i think also she never wants to appear ungrateful or like that these moments don't mean something to her um yeah but no we get it like it's meaningful yeah

so uh

we'll see next week but this is really like going on a long time now this d and g storyline though it is meaty so i'm not complaining entirely yeah honestly just though ever since you like really changed my mind last week, like I'm so seeing Courtney's side, just like an in little things.

Um, and there, I guess, like a clip, I saw it go viral on TikTok.

She's in back in LA having dinner with like Travis, two of her kids, a bunch of Travis's kids.

Um, and the, in her confessional, the producer's like, well, your family's not there.

And she's like, this is my family.

And I think a lot of people took that as a slight to her own family.

But no, I think that's like.

what you're supposed to say when you're like a blended family.

I thought it was actually really sweet.

She's like, this is my family.

Right.

And like her kids were there.

Right.

And that's not her saying that, like, her sisters and her mom are not her family, but these people are her family too.

Yeah.

I agree.

Like, it didn't.

And also, I'm pretty sure, at least the way they showed it, it was at the same time that they're all in Milan.

So, like, why would they be at Travis's restaurant opening?

Oh, is that what it was?

Yeah, it was for his Crossroads vegan eatery in Calabasas.

Cute.

Like, they support each other's ventures in the Kardashians, and they're doing that in the Barkers, too.

Yeah.

Right.

Like Travis did like a Lemmy collab.

Courtney did a Barker Wellness collab.

Like it's, it's synergy.

Oh, yeah.

I don't think there's a shortage of the two of them collaborating.

Yeah.

And I think it works for them.

But in the same way that like Kim went to Tristan's basketball games

and technically like supported him.

Oh, oh.

You know, I see.

Yeah.

What, where

the girls weren't there for Travis, but like one, they put it in the episode as the girls were in Milan.

So why the fuck would they be at Travis's restaurant?

Yeah.

Say the timing wasn't so and the girls just didn't go to Travis's restaurant opening.

That's interesting and that's rude.

Yeah.

Do you?

Because they keep, I mean, they're so supportive of Scott.

Like they keep everyone.

French Montana, like Chloe's ex-boyfriend, they keep everyone in the fold.

So like Travis, who's actively married to Courtney and is such a good stepdad to those kids, like you should support.

Yeah.

So I think that's what the producer meant.

And also, like, if they were, I could also see Courtney not having invited them.

because you know, it's like Travis's thing, and she doesn't want them to like eclipse, yeah.

They don't, then it becomes like a major red carpet event if, like, Kim and Chris and Chloe, like, if everyone's there, but it's Travis, yeah, but don't you want that for an opening of a restaurant?

Like,

I don't know, Travis opened it with his chef, like

it was low-key, it was kind of low-key.

The mayor was there, I have to watch the episode.

The mayor, there was a ribbon cutting, and guess who cut the ribbon?

Penelope, Rain

stuff stuff that's so fucking cute right

no i'm telling you like there's like a courtney renaissance happening yeah and like i love i love all the girls but i am seeing her side this and i never used to see her side but i just want to say like that doesn't mean in the past i think she's like had points that i've missed necessarily no like no like when like i feel like this dng thing i'm it's reminding me of maybe if you had a business that you were passionate about and I thought Kim was 100% right for that.

Like I said, I'm not looking back now and seeing.

But I think Courtney was like, for a few years, like in a place in her life where she was really just genuinely like not so happy.

And she was taking that out on everyone.

And now she's in a place where she's so happy and so at peace.

And it feels like everyone's having a hard time like being happy for her.

Well, that, but also it's like everything in the past, you could just chalk it up to like, oh, Courtney's like not happy and she hates everything and she's just like a hater.

But now it's like, no, we know Courtney is like deeply happy.

She's not just sitting around festering, trying to like make fights and hate everyone.

So if like something is bothering her, like it's worth just hearing her out.

And I thought she made a lot of sense.

But I mean, still, my takeaway is like Kim should have done the show.

And in the conversation preview for next week, it looks like Courtney says, you chose like the money and the deal over my feelings.

And like, that's just like a little cringe.

Like, yes, yes, I chose like this huge business opportunity over your feelings.

Yes.

Yes.

And you need to set your feelings aside.

And Kim should have, but like, it would have been nice of her to like include Courtney in it in some way or do something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They just don't have that weird relationship.

They don't know.

Like, I think that's what it is.

Like at the end of the day, these two are not close.

And like all those rumors like a year ago saying that those two like weren't talking, like I fully believe them now.

Oh, for sure.

They literally weren't talking.

And even I think Kim like called Courtney to tell her that this was happening

just to like tell her, but it was never like, you know, and you should walk down in your wedding dress.

But that would be so cute if she just included her, like, and that would have eased Courtney completely, and then Courtney would have been involved.

Yeah.

But no.

No.

Okay, well, I have to watch that episode, even though you just spoiled the whole thing for me.

Thanks.

No, there's still like some cute stuff there.

Chloe was being really funny.

Isn't she always?

Yeah.

Yeah, you'll enjoy it.

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