It Had To Be Tom: Thursday, June 1st, 2023

Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Thursday.

Hope everyone's having a great day.

I know I am because

I just am because I was born as Jackie O's sister and really, truly, honestly,

who could ask for more in this lifetime, Jax?

That's so sweet.

You're low-key always having a great day, except for the days when you're not.

And that's one thing about me.

I'm dynamic and you really never never know what to expect.

But you really do always open with optimism and hope for the day.

And I think that's a really important message for people.

It's also important to note that when I say I'm having a great day, like I'm not always having a great day, but like this show emulates positivity.

If I just got on here, like really told everyone what I was thinking, ooh.

Oof.

Oof.

No, I understand it is a great day.

It's a beautiful day here.

Unfortunately, Turdi and I have been separated just for today's episode because we're doing audio only.

I'm taking it a little bit easier this week.

I feel like I was doing a lot.

And so I was on like modified bed rest and now I'm on like more bed rest than before.

Everything's okay.

I just like, I felt like I was doing the most and there was literally no need.

So we're doing audio only, which won't affect most of you.

I think the person who it affects most is Turdy.

No, and like one thing about me.

Turdy struggles with audio only.

One thing about me, but today, like I'm not complaining.

Like the fact that I didn't have to put on makeup and do my hair, I really can't put into words how grateful I am.

So don't worry about turdy.

Turdy's fine.

You know, it's not even turdy.

It's I turdy.

It's the IT department that lives inside of me that's always like, wait, camera, let me get the studio, the lights, let me bring it to your house.

Like I'm okay.

I'm I'm really kind of getting tired of doing the most.

Let's be real.

But I do feel like next week you're going to be wanting to be on camera again because you're like glam turdy.

You're in your glam era.

Yeah, no, I think everything is still up and up in the air.

I want you to just take it easy.

Like every time you're like walking around, it like gives me anxiety, just like sit the fuck down.

So I'm happy to do audio only.

Maybe I'll go into studio next week like two or three times with like the usual Ben if he's available, Taylor Strucker, if she's available.

But Jackson Claude original recipe.

I kind of love,

you want to know why.

I'm going to be like so like really honest right now.

Please, what do you love?

I love doing audio only for one reason.

And that's because sadly we don't upload to YouTube, but that does mean there's no comment section so like i can say the most out of pocket and there's really nowhere for people to like gather and be like we should call claudia's place of work and tell them what she said yeah call me up call me up and tell her what it said if i'm the it department you're hr

for sure except we do upload the audio to YouTube.

So there is a comment section, but it's not as lively.

No, it's not as community oriented as when there's video.

By the way, that's like a new thing we started doing when we started doing audio only, just like putting just the audio on YouTube.

I totally forgot that there actually is a comment section.

And now that I've made this conversation, they're going to make, they're going to galvanize.

All right, I'll reel it in today.

I won't say anything so fucking crazy.

Yeah, for sure.

Except how it usually goes is that, like, they're calling up my place of work and they're calling you and DMing you, being like, the show would be better without Jackie, don't you think?

And I just want to say, like, to everybody who has sent me that message, and it's not a lot of people.

First of all, like, seriously, and I mean this like from the depths of my soul, go fuck yourself.

Like, seriously, go literally fuck yourself.

Two,

it ain't happening.

It ain't happening.

It's Jackson Claude till we're 97.

So seriously, go fuck yourself and then fuck all the way off, you dumb cunts.

I love that for us.

Thank you, God, for always having my back.

So that's what happens when you call my boss.

That's the message you're going to hear.

Yeah, no, I'm not here for the jackslander.

Like, I don't know what they think they're doing.

And they think they'll like galvanize it.

I'll be like,

maybe i should get rid of my sister like as if i could even get rid of you you're like older than me how like let's say i seriously like didn't want to work with you anymore like how

yeah no it would be a really big thing but also like i don't think either one of us could take the toast.

Like if you wanted to stop working with me, like you'd have to go start a different show.

No, for sure.

Like it's literally like call her.

Actually, no, call her daddy, like one of them too.

We couldn't, we couldn't take it.

Yeah, we'd be in court for years.

Years and years and years.

Yeah, but speaking of sisters replacing sisters, yesterday Satchel stood in for me.

I had a doctor's appointment yesterday, so I was like in the waiting room just like listening to the episode, just like being a toaster, which was really fun.

But I didn't get to finish like what's going on with the Satch.

Let's recap Satch's episode.

Re-catchel?

Re-catchel.

I mean, honestly, it was everything.

Like

it was just more downtime with satch she looked so cool if you watched on youtube you saw she like showed up in a cool girl outfit i saw louve tank top like she's in her classy era and i just want to say like I wish one day I can go and kiss Sophia Richie Grange on the mouth for inspiring these former thoughts to look classy.

My sister included.

You're so right.

Like now like the like the cool girls are dressing elegant.

They're dressing a little modest.

They're dressing like granny.

They're wearing trousers.

They're wearing cardigans.

They're wearing flats.

Like, it's a beautiful thing to see.

No, it's really like a full circle moment.

You're so right that, like, we have Sophia Ritchie to thank for the unsodification of the satcheler.

The unsodification of America.

Of Gen Z, honestly.

And I think it's going to be like a slow rollout.

It's just starting.

But like, you even saw Kylie wearing like her classy silhouettes.

I think this is the beginning of a beautiful trend that is positively impacting my eyeballs.

Our family.

And our family.

No, you're so right, Jax.

I like that analysis.

I saw what Snitch wore to dinner last night.

She was wearing like the Sphinx trousers that you and I have loved, but like world women

and cardigan and Flets.

And she just looks so classy.

Yeah, I feel like I love this, like even for my own personal style, like this very kind of coastal grandmother, like rich older woman aesthetic.

I love, and I feel like older, chubby girls have been dressing that way forever for a multitude of reasons.

But now that it's like in trend, it's fabulous.

Yeah, it's really fabulous.

Like a little mystery.

I don't need to see butt cheek on the street.

Yeah.

Chunks of cheek.

Chunks of cheek.

I don't eat it.

You don't.

I don't eat it.

Well, we have a fabulous show today because it's just like me and you.

And it's me and you.

And that's my whole world.

They whisper down the hallway.

She's a bad, bad girl.

But I also have so much TV to recap.

We're obviously going to do the Vanner Pump Rules Part 2 reunion at the TV recap at the end of the show.

We do have a story about Ted Lasso, yes.

We do.

So I'll give my thoughts because i watched the finale last night and you can take your air pods out because obviously i am going to spoil it that's fine i will watch eventually i'm in no rush and i'm also like not watching ted lasso for the riveting plot yeah yeah yeah it's not like game of thrones but yesterday i watched you did too yeah the i actually when i was at the eras concert um with paige de sorbo she was the one who was like what do you we were talking about tv and she was like you should watch the smartlist podcast and i was like no it's like not my podcast she's like no they did like a documentary on HBO, like a TV show of their podcast tour.

So I was like, oh, that actually does sound interesting.

And it's so crazy how I literally know nothing about Smartlist, even though they're the biggest podcast, literally, the biggest comedy podcast for sure.

And like, we're, honestly, I think of them as our peers, our competitors.

I knew nothing about them.

Literally.

Yeah.

I might have been able to tell you who the three guys are, but nothing.

I couldn't have told you.

I might have been able to say Jason Bateman.

And I think I would have said Will Arnett.

And I think I might have said even the guy from Will and Grace, but I wouldn't have known his name.

I still don't know his name other than Sean.

Sean Hayes, I think.

Sean Hayes, yeah, that sounds right.

I found it so interesting.

I will say, like, their comedy, like their shtick, they have a huge audience.

I don't think it's like my necessarily type of comedy.

So I did find it like a little repetitive just a little bit.

But I found like the neuroses of so many of these like older, successful men, like who have to travel and have their meals together and like drive in long car rides together.

I found it really interesting.

Like who knew Jason Bateman was literally like an almond mom?

Literally.

Like with his salads.

And like he had his big salad for dinner and the other guys got steaks and then he's up all night like eating skinny pop and prunes.

And that's just because he's not full from his salad.

It's like if you just had a steak like the other guys, like you wouldn't be snacking all night.

Jason definitely has like some sort of disordered eating.

It's so, it's honestly, I feel like food and meals occupy all of my time.

Like I'm always thinking about what am I eating?

What did I just eat?

Did I eat too much?

Did I not eat enough?

They take it to another level.

And I do think it's part of their shtick, but I think at least for Jason, like it is so real.

Yeah.

No, they're always talking about their next meal, their past meal, and their current meal.

And they're planning their next meal while they're eating their current meal, which is so relatable.

Like that's us.

That's literally the Good Guys podcast.

Yeah.

I just like wouldn't have expected it from the three of them who just seem like tall glasses of water,

who just like eat when they're hungry and then don't eat when they're not hungry.

No, completely.

It was eye-opening.

It was very funny.

I don't understand the black and white style choice.

I thought at first, I thought once they got on stage, it would be like in color.

And it's like the documentary really starts.

I'm not like living for black and white, but that's just because I'm like toxically modern.

Like we have color TV.

Why would we not use it?

It's unnecessary.

Yeah.

But I agree.

It's a really cool concept, especially for podcasters like us to watch them do their thing and like to see the success that they're having.

But one thing that I thought was silly is like they're going, they're staying in like these amazing hotels and they're flying private and the crowds are so big and they're acting like this is their first taste of fame.

And it's like they are on some of the biggest shows in television history.

Like, I can't imagine that this podcast success is like more than anything they've ever experienced before.

Wait, not me, just realizing that Will Arnett and Jason Bateman were on arrested development together.

That's how they know each other.

Yeah, I totally forgot.

But like, Jason Bateman, like, he's in Ozark, which obviously I don't watch, but Zach does, so it's a big one.

And it's really big.

It's like, it's probably one of his biggest projects.

Yeah.

They're all really big.

So like this, they're like oohing and awing over all these things.

I'm like, you've been at this level of success for like 20 years.

No, and something I found really interesting was as somebody who like goes on tour and knows the logistics of like money.

I don't know how after they fly private, they stay in the presidential suite everywhere they go.

They have literally 15 people who work for them.

Margarita, who's always running out to get Gas X and Sugar-Free Red Bull.

And then they split the revenue three ways.

They made no money from this tour, but they made money from this documentary.

Yes, I thought the same thing.

Like, that's not how comedians or podcasters travel.

Even comedians and podcasters who play huge theaters, which they're doing.

Yeah.

Theaters, no.

You know, if it's stadiums or arenas, yes.

But.

The size theaters that they're doing, just like based on the numbers, it kind of doesn't add up.

No, and like, okay, if they're doing theaters like that, like I feel like a, let me think of a comedian.

Like, honestly, like, like a Jim Gaffigan would go to DC and play that theater every night for a week and then he can fly private because it makes sense financially.

I was just like so focused on the finances.

They travel in style and there's nothing wrong with that.

But when you think about all the people they're paying to be on the tour with them and then they're splitting all the revenue three ways and then flying private and like there's a million vans for everyone.

I don't know.

It something wasn't adding up financially.

Yeah.

So maybe it's not like a financial exercise for them and more of,

I have no idea.

Well, I think also there,

I was really thinking a lot about this because I'm so interested in the business of podcasting.

I believe their podcast is like owned or their deal is with Wondery, which is owned by Amazon.

And I'm sure that when they did that deal, they got a payout of, you know,

six, maybe seven figures that they all split.

So maybe like Amazon paid for the tour.

I don't know.

But then why wouldn't their show be on Amazon?

Wondery shows aren't exclusive to Amazon.

No, no, no, but they do all like the distribution.

Why wouldn't the, oh, sorry, this new show.

I thought you meant their podcast.

Good question.

But also, like,

there are so many questions.

Maybe Amazon got them a plane.

Yeah.

But even if Amazon owns their podcast, do they then collect the revenue from their live show?

I don't know.

We'd have to look at their deal points.

I'm just fascinated by this whole thing.

And also, like the revenue for the theater size that we saw, like.

That was probably like, like in a, in that DC theater.

How many seats do you think that was?

They probably make more money from one episode of ads than Smartlists.

Yeah.

Right.

So like maybe this is like some sort of branding thing for them.

Well, honestly,

why I really liked it is I feel like it's so legitimized podcasting and podcast touring.

Like to get like a whole ass HBO documentary, like that's so legit.

Yeah.

No, it was cool.

Yeah.

And then yesterday, also in terms of content, I just wanted to shout out our last episode that we just posted on Patreon.

It went up yesterday.

It's something I've been asked to do many times that I just like I'm kind of ashamed of but yesterday i was just like fuck it we're posting it um i did it like a uh

like a literal um

you know what what do they call it uh guide guide but like you know those yellow books like for dummies oh smut for dummies i'm always getting asked like a just about smut recommendations like how do you get into smut what are your favorite like sexy books How do you know when they're good?

Which authors are good.

So I did like a breakdown of all the smut books I've read.

Most of the ones that I've read.

I didn't get into Colleen Hoover because I felt like that was like a little too basic.

Everyone knows.

Yeah, everyone knows.

And that's really not smut.

Once you actually get into smut, like you see, Colleen's like doing the least when it comes to the smut.

So I gave like a full breakdown with like pictures, book covers, ratings in terms of plot, ratings in terms of smut.

People are loving it.

They're saying, like, really, that I'm out here doing the Lord's work.

And they were like, you know, just really grateful that I did this.

So patreon.com/slash the toast for Turdy's Guide to Smut.

Turdy's Guide to Smut.

I love that.

I actually have some two book things to say.

One, new episode of The Redheads dropped today.

It's the first Thursday in June.

Our new episode dropped.

We recorded it last week.

So I've been like sitting on it for a week and I've actually been really excited because it's such a fun, funny episode.

This book just gave us so much to chat and laugh about.

You know, a lot of loose ends, but also beautiful moments.

Like it was just really sweet.

And also.

And not to spoil the end of the episode, but Becky is choosing our next book and she told us how she chose it.

And I think it's like a life hack that everyone needs to know.

She used AI, she put into AI like books that she loves, and she was like,

recommend similar books.

So, we're reading True Biz by Sarah Novik next, but like, she had put in, like, where the crawdads sing, like, those really good, like literary novels.

Um, that's so sad that are also like really popular.

So, that's where you should get your next book recommendation from.

Well, yeah, see, let me see if the redheads get fucked.

Like, let's see if everybody likes his book first.

And then, if it worked, oh my God, I'm never not doing that.

Isn't that genius?

Because I'm always like, Give me a book that's like it ends with us or whatever, right?

Yeah, I'm always like asking for book recommendations based on a previous book.

So, if I say, like, literally, when people ask, like, what my real like genre of choice is, like, I loved Eliza Starts a Rumor.

It was like just life, you know, suburban mom, dumb drama, but like hilarious.

And I'm always like, what's a book like Eliza Starts a Rumor?

Ask, chat, chat.

That is really a very, very smart thing.

Go Bex.

Go Bex.

And then also, I finished my book last night the maycob my summer darlings i need you to finish it because i need to talk to you about it like i don't know if i'm just being like negative negative critical or because i remember after i finished hunting wives like i didn't love it so much but then you loved it so much it made me like it more so i need to know what you think about this one okay i have started it so hopefully i'll finish it this weekend and we can talk about it Cool.

Can't wait to chat with my garly.

And speaking of chatting with our garlies, we've got lots to dive into.

I can't wait to talk about the Vanderpump Reunion.

So

without further ado, did it do, here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

And today's episode is brought to you by the Kardashians on Hulu.

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It seems really juicy, and they're really doing a good job of striking a balance between their extremely successful lives as businesswomen, but also their very real personal lives that are just weirdly a part of their business.

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We already got the first episode, or do we get two episodes already now?

Episode two dropped last night.

Oh my God.

Okay.

So I'll catch up on that tonight before tomorrow.

So two episodes in.

There's lots.

There's, you know, a thunder is a brewing.

Something is brewing between the girlies, specifically Courtney and Kim.

And I can't wait to see how that unfolds.

I just can't wait to see all the girlies back.

You know, we've got them all.

We've got Chris.

We've got Courtney.

We've got Kim.

We've got Chloe, as Andy Cohen likes to call her, Kendall, and Kylie.

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Our first story, news that I never thought I would report, Sex in the City shocker.

Kim Cottrell will be returning as Samantha Jones to End Just Like That.

For one night only, the Sex in the City universe will be whole again.

Variety has learned that Kim Cottrell will reprise her iconic role as Samantha Jones in the season two finale of End Just Like That.

The title will just like never roll off the tongue.

Ever, ever, ever.

She will only appear in one scene.

According to sources, she shot her dialogue on March 22nd in New York City without seeing or speaking with the star of the series, the stars, including Sarah Jessica Parker, or with the showrunner, Michael Patrick King.

In the scene, she has moved to London and she'll have a phone conversation with Carrie.

And so she didn't really have to interface with anyone.

But we are getting some Samantha.

So I will say this news like sounds better than it is.

Because once you actually read it, you know, she's not actually filming with the women.

It's a phone call.

It's in the finale and it's one scene.

So it sounds better than it is.

Having said that, like I welcome this.

Hopefully this is like an intro because I watched all of and just like that.

And I have to say, like, I'm a hater to my core and it was cringe.

It was problematic.

Like it had all these things.

But at the end of the day, like I did like it.

Like I looked forward to the episodes.

Like there's just something about the writing.

There's something about these characters.

It's good.

Like I'm sorry.

I'm I'm just gonna be honest.

Like, I liked it, okay.

And I feel like I don't want to keep that in anymore.

So, you're saying, uh, because you like it?

It's exactly what I'm saying, Jackie.

But there was this, like, glaringly obvious thing missing, and it was Samantha.

She was far and away the best character.

Her, she was so fucking real.

Like, she was just saying shit nobody would say, but she was fucking right about everything.

Like, she was so sorely missed.

So,

getting her back is great.

Again, it's really not getting her back.

She's not going to be a recurring role.

It's one cameo.

She doesn't even interact with the other ladies, but I think it's a step in the right direction.

And for her, I mean, best of both worlds.

Like, she's getting a, for sure, a huge payday because it's the only way they would have brought her back.

She fucking hates these people.

And she doesn't have to see these bitches.

So, like, for her, she's laughing, running to the bank.

And honestly, I think her kind of being like mysteriously absent from this

revamp, whatever you want want to call it, reunion show, whatever it's called, is so good for her and her character because it just makes people appreciate and miss her, honestly.

Yeah, I think this is all good.

Of course, one scene, it's not enough.

Give us more.

I don't even watch the show, but and she's a part of the reason.

Like, I don't think I would watch even still, like, it's just not of...

the utmost importance to me, but like, certainly not without Samantha because she really was the best.

But I do feel like one, like, now contracts have been signed and doors are open.

And it would be easier to do another scene.

And I feel like, who knows what happens in that finale conversation?

It could be like a cliffhanger that gets us to season three where Samantha's back.

You know what I mean?

Well, in season one, Carrie and Samantha were texting.

So Samantha wasn't like dead.

Like she was still like technically in the show, but we never saw her because she was just texting with Carrie.

Right.

No, but like the fact that...

Kim is on the scene, like this could be, it could be just what it is, one scene, but it could also be opening the door for season three with Samantha.

Yeah, but I'm saying in season one with the text messages like it was all very cliffhangery they were like we'll see wishing right but there was no actual kim participation no now that we have kim participation it opens the door to more

yeah what i think is also that's exciting it is what i also think is interesting about this show is like they are unable to keep anything under wraps.

That's A, because they film in New York.

So like people are just always seeing like new characters show up.

Like they're unable.

And I feel like HBO is so good at that.

Like with, you know, the ending of Game of Thrones, like, I don't it's obvious I think partially is intentional it's good for like the show hype but this would have been um like a huge

amazing spoiler yeah but I feel like they're intentionally putting stuff out I don't know about this one but like they put out the picture of Carrie and Aiden kissing I also think over the years they've filmed fake scenes to throw people off yeah

so they're kind of what's I guess that's also what's great about the show like it's so New York they literally they've never filmed on like a studio a lot.

Like, they're always in the streets.

And that really is what makes it like so authentically New York.

And I think that's like a huge reason why people like it.

Yeah, but they could also be having like pivotal conversations and scenes like indoors.

Indoors.

Yeah.

Would Achille close the window?

But I think that they like this hype machine.

Like, you know, Game of Thrones doesn't need that.

Like, oh, Bran was spotted sitting on the throne.

What does it mean?

Literally.

But for this show, like, it is very much a part of the zeitgeist for people to speculate about what's going to happen.

So So, I think that they're in on that.

Yeah, no, that's true.

That's that's fair.

That's fair.

It's just interesting.

But I did hear Brad was spotted sitting there too.

I think fed grapes, like a little mad king.

No, I heard he was at the pub

making making deals, wheeling and dealing.

Yeah, he was

knocking him back with the night king.

Knocking him back with the night king.

Literally.

Okay, well, are you ready for our next story?

Yeah,

It's a yawn for me, but I think people care.

Leonardo DiCaprio dined with 28-year-old British model Nilam Gill and his mom.

So Leo took a break from partying to enjoy a night out with a group of pals, including British model Nilam Gill and his mom.

In photos obtained by page six, he could be seen keeping a low profile as he left the Chiltern Firehouse in London on Tuesday.

His mom was also exiting the venue with him while Nilam Gill followed behind.

I mean, that's just fucking weird.

Like, literally, um,

his mom could be literally this girl's grandmother.

Yeah.

They literally look like a family, three generations of DiCaprios.

Grandmother, son, and daughter.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess that means that he's dating this person because like all signs point to, but I feel like every single week it's someone else that he's dating.

The same, like literally this age.

Yeah.

And okay, cool.

You You know, this story is like so fatigued.

I'm not like, you know, being kept up like, who's Leo spotted with?

It was interesting when he was spotted with Gigi Hadid because that was different.

That was like somebody who is a mother and has like a successful business and like doesn't need Leo.

There's not like a power dynamic.

That was interesting.

But beyond that, like just this gaggle of carbon copies of different, like, it's just, it's so uninteresting to me.

It's so uninspired.

Yeah, he also goes out now all the time in a hat and a face mask.

I think he was at like a sports game wearing a mask and now he's at this restaurant.

I don't know if he does it for like anonymity, but like it's not working.

He definitely does it for anonymity and I just want to say he seems to care about the environment so much.

Masks are so bad for the environment.

I'm just saying.

Trills.

Greta, Greta would definitely be wearing like a reusable cloth.

He's wearing these like disposable plastic lines.

Right, but the thing about the reusable cloth is that that actually does nothing.

So we might as well breathe fresh clean air.

That's true.

That's true.

I mean, I don't, I honestly like, I don't think Leo, if he's running to like events and games, I don't think he's like really still concerned with the pandemic.

I think this is definitely like an anonymity thing.

Yeah, but it's like not fucking working.

Like the camera is in his face.

Yeah.

No, like they're going to photograph you whether you're wearing a mask or not.

So maybe he's feeling insecure.

That's really.

I think it's got like a nose job.

Lip filler.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that's you're onto something there, sister.

That to me like would be more understandable than whatever I'm looking at.

That is definitely a possibility.

Leo went under the knife.

Leo was feeling insecure.

Maybe Leo's nose has been bothering him his whole life, and he finally just like took his life, took charge.

Yeah, or he had a deviated septum.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Are you ready for our next story, which is also some new rumored couple news?

Sure.

Erica Jane has been spotted with an older gentleman who also then just posted on Instagram like a photo of him and his wife.

He's married.

He's married, but he filed for like a separation in 2021.

Oh.

Or

Anyways, Erica Jane was spotted on a quote-unquote date earlier this week, but it didn't look necessarily like a date.

They were in Caesar's Palace walking around.

She looked fire flames.

Like she definitely looked like she wasn't not trying, but it could also be a couple of friends.

But a rep confirmed to us weekly that they're not dating, that Jim is her lawyer and family friend for over 20 years.

He's been her primary attorney for some time now.

He said, I'm trying to help my friend and people want to see something nefarious in that and they want to impose a sexual relationship.

I don't want to see anything nefarious, but like, what are you doing in Vegas with your lawyer?

Well, she is doing a residency in Vegas.

True.

So, she has like a work thing.

Maybe he came to support.

Like, I see my lawyer all the time.

Like, I don't think,

I think this could have been a date, but them explaining like he's a family friend and a lawyer.

And honestly, that's more than enough for me.

I think a lot of people see her with an older gentleman and assume she's like looking for her next Tom Girardi.

When we get our hopes up.

Who isn't?

But I know.

That's kind of, I'm honestly honestly like acknowledging like my own bias right now and how much like i want this to be true and it's just not no i mean let's just be real like we saw erica's life with tom and we saw erica's life without tom like they're different and i'm sure she wants to get back to that place like she wants a palace with a chapel like she has a certain standard of living and her little bungalow in west hollywood like it's nice but i don't think it's gonna cut it forever But I also, yes, like you want to see her

get back to the things that she loves, but I also do really envision her with kind of an older man and not some of these like boy toys that I imagine she's like running around with.

Like I don't think I think she needs someone who can be on her level.

She's very smart and mature and sophisticated.

And like so when I see her with someone who's like a successful mature king king, I'm like that works for me.

Yeah, no, if the day comes where Erica Jane does settle down, like I'm fully picturing a Tom 2.0.

I'm not looking for like maybe like a Silicon Valley billionaire.

Younger A lot of younger.

Yeah, not some like, not an Instagram model Love Island contestant.

No, no, she definitely has a type.

And I will say, like, obviously her and Tom's marriage was a marriage of convenience, but I do, and I did, and I still do really think, like, when it was good, like, I think she really did love him.

I don't think it was, you know, like a complete arrangement.

Yeah, at least from her book, like, I was convinced.

What did she say in the book?

She had only the nicest things to say.

I mean, obviously he was still her husband, but just like the way that he took care of of her and protected her and was so smart and gave her advice, like all of those things were why she was so attracted to him as an older gentleman.

That's nice.

Yeah.

Also, she's 51 now.

So like if she's going to go with someone her age or older, like that is going to be a six-year-old gentleman.

So when I see her with a silver fox, I'm like, that could be, he could be the one.

No, in my mind, she's like such a like a reality star influencer pop star.

I feel like she's 32, but she's like, she's a,

she's a woman.

She's an older woman.

Yeah.

Well, she looked sickening just walking around Caesars Palace.

Did you see the outfit?

I did.

She's been like slaying the Lukes.

Yeah.

She looks great.

I feel like she's in a really good place.

Like this whole thing is now like officially behind her.

And I feel like in this upcoming season when she's filming, like it's no longer a conversation.

Like I think she's really out of it.

Yeah, which

is the best feeling in the world for something that probably kept her up at night for two years straight.

Yeah.

And also like she couldn't really have a voice on the show outside of defending herself and talking about all the allegations.

And, like, she's weathered this storm.

And I'm excited for her to just be herself again and live her life and be the Erica that we know and love.

I agree because we, like, I feel like I even forget, like, pre-divorce, Erica, like, she was everything.

And then she kind of became the worst, but like, she was allowed.

She was going through a hard time.

Um, so I'm ready for her to like be the best again, like, sniper from the side.

Yeah.

No, and I definitely, like, in the last few years, have faltered in my my stanhood same but i'm i'm i'm tabula rasaing i'm not like going back like you know it's it's a constant involving thing but now i do feel like it with all the legal stuff behind her like tabula rasa i look forward to the future i couldn't have said it better myself tabula rasa what does that mean clean table clean slate clean slate

yeah

latin i'm also definitely like interested in in what's happening in beverly hills i feel like it's awfully quiet that's what i wanted to say i saw like a meme or a tweet that was like, this is the first season that we have no idea what's going on in Beverly Hills.

It's also the first season without Rinna.

Yeah.

In a while.

Right.

So the question is, was Rinna just like leaking everything?

Or is there nothing going on without Rinna?

I think Rinna was leaking everything.

Yeah.

I mean, that's like the obvious answer.

Because I think things are dead.

Like something's going on, even if it's not.

You know, Kathy Hilton having a breakdown in the club.

Like,

there's things.

You know, for the last like three or four seasons, like we always know what's going to happen because it gets, like, we're always talking about it while they're filming it.

it and it's like a spoiler mm-hmm no that's very interesting you know what that is interesant it's interesant i agree i just i think it's intricant

another intressant factoid is our next story yep

so the succession ending that we didn't see jeremy strong who plays Kendall Roy, revealed the quote explosive show had a shocking alternate finale that he improvised.

So the headline is like, of course,

just listen, like, I can't with this story.

Succession star Jeremy Strong has revealed a shock alternate ending to the show, which concluded in spectacular style on Sunday.

The actor who plays Kendall Roy spoke to Kara Swisher on the official Succession podcast about his improvisation of his character's final scene, in which he attempted to jump into the river, unbeknownst to cast and crew.

So, Kendall had his dreams crushed when Shiv stopped him from becoming CEO.

Jeremy, who has spoken in the past about his method acting, revealed he actually climbed the railings to inch his way into the water before he was saved by Colin, his minder, who was previously his father's driver.

He said, quote, I stood up and walked slowly to the barrier that was set up there and climbed over it.

And I didn't really know what I planned to do.

And the actor playing Colin saw me and ran and stopped me from doing it.

So I have to say, I don't think that would have been a terrible ending.

And I definitely thought when he was like walking so depressed by the water, I'm like, what is he going to do?

Because we saw him like two seasons ago, like really struggling mental health-wise.

I think he like tried to drown himself or something.

Like there was, there is that history.

So not only do I think that wouldn't have been a bad like

ending, I think it would have been on track.

I thought it was going to happen.

Yeah, I think it would just be, have been like more overt.

Yeah.

For the show, you know, where nothing like really happens.

Also, he was, he didn't jump.

He didn't jump in.

It would just be like Colin bringing him down, which is actually so Kendall.

And so Colin.

And so Colin.

But then Jeremy said, I mean, I'm sure Jesse's choice is better, like the choice not to air that.

And in a way, I think you see the intentionality in the character.

I mean, you said you felt like he was going to go in.

Right.

And I did.

I tried to.

It's a completely tragic ending from my perspective.

I think that Jesse maybe intended that in the writing, this sense that Kendall has lost, but maybe he's free.

Right.

Like with everyone's ending, like we're supposed to extrapolate what happens next.

Like Roman is sitting at the bar getting wasted.

Like that's obviously the path he goes down.

Kendall is like wandering around aimlessly in the middle of the day, like, by cliffs.

And you're like, yeah, for sure.

Like, you're supposed to just assume.

Yeah,

but

I actually don't think it's in Kendall's character to

actually go through with it.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Right.

But also, I've been seeing some stuff about Roman's ending.

Like, one, he ordered a martini, which is Jerry's drink, whatever that means.

Oh.

And two, like, he sips it and he smiles for a second and then he's like somber again.

So everyone said we should give him an Emmy for that.

Like I'm not even kidding.

Like that's what the tweets were.

And so I know he's like happy.

He's not unhappy with the situation.

I have to say, Succession Twitter is one of the most deeply unwell spaces and corners of the internet.

Like people, like, it's a good show.

It's not even a good show, but like they take it so fucking serious and they love this is like the new thing that i've seen because i've just seen people saying this about ted lasso because there's like a lot of people saying this season of ted lasso like kind of stings um like you were saying it but rolling stone just wrote like critics are saying it yeah yeah i say it about everything right right no we are like que haters to our core but like when other people say it we're like oh yeah okay and everyone is like People just don't get it.

Like they don't get success.

You're like, oh, you don't like Ted Lasso?

You don't get it.

Which is my, like, like, the most fucking condescending retort to like my opinion.

Like, I'm like, I'm going to have my fucking opinion fuck off.

And you know what?

It's TV.

It's not mathematics.

Like, if you have to get it so hard, maybe, just maybe, it's not fucking good.

Yeah.

Facts.

And like, I got season one and season two.

Right.

So, like, what changed?

So season three is just like above my

degree.

Right.

Like, maybe, oh, am I getting dumber or is the show just not good?

Like, I.

Or is the show getting dumber?

I hate that retort.

It's so, first of all, incorrect and it's so like moral high ground.

Like, oh, you don't gotta, you're so so.

Shut the fuck up.

So true.

Also, something I wanted to talk about with succession, because everyone's talking about the finale.

And I sent you this article that the succession finale had the highest rating views ever for their show.

Series high

of 2.9 million viewers.

The way that people talk about this show, like you would think it's like the Super Bowl.

How many people watch like the finale of Game of Thrones?

I think like 20 million.

Damn.

Let me Google it.

People watch.

By the way, like that's by the way, 2.8 million.

That's literally how many people watch Banner Purple Broles.

No, literally, it's, oh, yeah, Game of Thrones was 19.3 million.

Wow.

More people, I think, watch American Idol.

than

Succession, but you would never know it from the way it's talked about.

No, because it's so like

highbrow.

Like, how many people watch Yellowstone?

I think 14 million.

Oh,

because, but, right,

you would think the way people talk about both of these shows, like, you would think, like, oh, succession probably has like a little bit of a bigger audience than Yellowstone.

No, you would think it's just one of the greats, like, one of the shows, like, where we're still talking about Game of Thrones.

Like, it's, it's a show in, like, the TV Hall of Fame.

Uh, 12 million people tuned in for the premiere of season five of Yellowstone.

Wow.

And so, if and when it ends, that'll be even more.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Interesting back to Wides.

I just find it interesting.

Yeah.

But I'm still, I'm not going to knock succession because they gave me the best outcome I could have asked for.

No, and really, I do think it was the only way the outcome like could have ended.

Like when you really think about it.

Like Matson was never keeping this family in

the business.

Like they're so toxic.

He saw the worst of them when they went on their retreat.

Like, they're three deeply unwell people.

Like, who the fuck would meet them and be like, yeah, I want to give business to these people?

Like, I would run for the fucking hills.

Yeah.

And then

the concept that all three kids could get along long enough to, like, vote together is also impossible.

It's so crazy to think about that like they couldn't.

No, and that's what we've been seeing.

Like, they're so,

they betrayed one another at like the lowest level.

Like, they're not a family unit.

They're not a united front.

So, the sheer idea that they would vote together, they're all too narcissistic, too egotistical.

Like, it was never going to happen.

It had to be Tom.

The same way it had to be Bran, it had to be Tom.

It could only be Bran.

It could only be Tom.

Yeah.

And like, people didn't like the Game of Thrones finale because they're like, Bran.

But then, when you really analyze it, like, it could only be Bran.

I guess.

Because the other two were too problematic: John and Daenerys.

Right, well, and Daenerys at that point, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, was dead.

No, we literally spoiled the show saying Bran, Bran, right, right, right, right, right.

We spoiled the show 40 minutes ago.

Duh.

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Speaking of beard, our fifth and final story, Ted Lasso finale, Jason Sudakis speaks on it.

He says, quote, the story is done.

So season three of Ted Lasso just ended.

All the episodes aired.

Turdy has watched them.

Jason Sudakis told Dana Carvey and David Spade on the Fly on the Wall podcast that the story is done.

Quote, it sounds like such a political answer, but it's the truth.

We only conceived these three seasons.

Then this thing became this big old thing.

Yeah, no, I think if you watch a show, like there's...

As much as I think a lot of people would like for it to just go on forever, because I think for a lot of people, it's a comfort show.

It's like, you know, really all about like kindness and positivity, but it's still like very funny.

And it would have been nice for just the show to go on forever.

But they clearly like had a start and an end.

And I think when you can end a show on your own terms, it's like the best feeling.

And you're not like another season and no one's watching.

Like to end on a high is like such an accomplishment.

And I think if you had told me last season that the next season is going to be the last, I would have been sad.

But after watching this, like, I didn't think it was as good.

And he's right.

Like, the story's over.

Like, once you watch, you know, like the show can't go on.

Yeah.

And you'd never want to beat a dead horse.

I think that even though it's hard for the fans sometimes, like there's nothing worse than your favorite show getting really bad and stupid and pointless and boring.

So you better like leave out of high, leave them wanting more.

And it also does, not that they've said this in any way, shape, or form, but it does leave it open to bring the show back in a few years when you don't kill it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So how was the rest of the season?

Like, do you want to tell us what happened?

Anything crazy?

Do you want to take your AirPods out?

I don't know.

I just like, I don't know that I'm going to watch it in a timely manner.

Okay, so you know, they're, what, have you seen any of this season?

Yeah.

What have you seen?

Probably like half.

Um, they have that guy who's great.

Who?

The soccer player who's really good.

Oh, Zava?

Zava.

Okay, Zava leaves and it's like irrelevant.

And then the team is just themselves and they're stinking it up.

And then Ted Lasso comes up with like a new strategy.

And they start.

Wait, so you're saying Ted Lasso actually coaches?

Yes, it was shocking.

That's a twist.

So he just comes up with like a new strategy and they start killing it.

They're winning.

They're winning.

They're killing it.

So last night's episode was like the finale.

They won the championship and it was like really emotional.

But then it turned out that like Manchester City

also won.

So that like kicked them out of the first spot, but whatever.

They like won all their games and it was like sweet.

But of course they didn't like end up making the next league.

And Ted.

wants to leave.

Ted needs to go back to Kansas City to be with his family.

And he makes the decision and like everybody supports him.

Him and Beard go go back.

Beard actually gets off the plane because he's in love with Jane and so he actually stays.

Everything at the club stays the same except Ted leaves.

Except did you see yet that Nathan the Wonder Kid gets fired from

West Ham?

He gets fired because

Rupert like takes him out for drinks and like brings him like a prostitute but he has a girlfriend now and he doesn't want to cheat on his girlfriend so he leaves and he literally gets fired for like not fucking this girl.

And then he's like depressed and his girlfriend's trying to get him out of bed and all he wants to do is go back to Richmond, Richmond, Richmond, Richmond.

And like they bring him back.

That was to me the fatal fucking flaw in the show.

They bring back that little shit.

And I know that's the whole point of the show.

It's like about forgiveness and kindness, yada, yada.

But I couldn't.

And like the last two episodes, he's like, he's the towel guy again.

He doesn't become Ted's job?

No, Roy gets his job, which is fabulous.

Okay, that's better.

I thought like Nate takes over for Ted.

That would be so undeserving.

No, it was so upsetting.

There were a few things that like the show tied up nicely.

The first is that like Rebecca in the earlier season, did you see when they went to Amsterdam and she like spent the night with that guy?

No.

She drops Ted off at the airport and she runs into the guy and like this, this fortune teller had told her that she was going to have a family and he has a son and like, I mean, he has a daughter.

And it was like a nice ending, wrapped up for Rebecca nicely.

She thought about selling the clubs since they were so valuable now that they were so good.

It was worth $2 billion.

But she actually sold 49% of it to the community.

Like everybody like got a share.

So like they all started, it was like really sweet.

I liked that.

She's like philanthropic queen.

So some people wrapped up really nicely.

Like Ted goes back and I think they like kind of, they don't say, but like Michelle is getting really annoyed with her new boyfriend.

Like he's like so negative and like, I just don't think it's working.

And then she's really happy when he gets home.

So I think maybe there's a path forward for Ted like and his family to get back together, which is nice.

Oh, that's cute.

Even though she like is the worst the entire time that we've ever watched a show.

But then some people wrapped up like not so nicely.

Like I didn't appreciate them bringing Nathan back.

I thought that was really not good.

But by far the biggest gripe I had with the ending is like I I kept waiting for Roy and Keele to get back together.

Right.

And the last couple of episodes, he's like still clearly in love with her.

And he's like really struggling.

He's asking everyone for advice.

And Jamie is still like really in love with Keele too.

But Jamie and Roy are such good friends.

They decide like, you know what?

We're both going to fight for her, but like, we're still going to be friends.

And Keele wants neither of them.

She just wants to like keep being a businesswoman and she works with Rebecca to start like a female AFC Richmond.

And

yeah.

But why can't she also have a boyfriend?

You know, no, the two are not mutually exclusive.

I did not like that.

I literally, that makes me mad.

Wrong.

She's wrong for that.

I'm sorry.

Honestly, even towards the end, obviously, Roy is like the number one, but I was also like shipping her and Jamie too because Jamie's really have this like, he fully grew up.

He's a star player, but he's such a good teammate and he's a good guy.

No, and I could see that, but the problem with Roy and Keely breaking up is that there was nothing wrong with their relationship.

Like, it was so random.

Even know why they broke up.

So it's like, it's not like Jamie could provide her something.

Like, Roy and Keely were perfect.

Yeah.

It was so exciting.

That makes me madder than Nate.

Yeah.

No, that was the worst part.

She ended up with nobody.

Why?

Why?

Oh, my God.

Okay.

Well,

now I don't know if that makes me want to watch more or less, but thanks for the recap.

I'm glad I know.

You're welcome.

And I do think like it's it's good that it's ending.

Yeah, I think so too.

All good things must come to an end, Turdy Lou.

But I want to say one thing, one more thing.

I just looked at my notes because I needed to remember.

My biggest issue with the show is that not once in the final episode nor in the final season did Danny Rojas say football is life.

Why?

Maybe like it was trademarked and they were going to get sued.

Danny Rojas is far and away the best character.

He gets like an even bigger role.

All the characters that you like know and love, like Trent Krim, his book comes out.

You know, he's writing a book on the team.

Yes.

It's called The Richmond Way.

all the characters that, like, you slowly start to get to know and really like, like Danny Rojas, like Sam.

And I thought maybe Sam and Rebecca were going to end up together, but they didn't.

Um,

Trent Krim, they all get like happy endings.

It's nice, but like, Danny Rojas is the light of my life, and I don't know why he didn't say football is live.

That's so funny that he has made such an impact on you.

Oh, he's part of the reason me and Ben like really loved the show when we first started it.

Oh, that's so sweet.

He was so sweet and so funny and so cute and so nice.

Football is live,

nice.

He did so much of an impact on me.

There's a scene in the final episode where, like, they get a penalty kick, they're down by one, and Jamie's like gonna take it, but he gives the ball to Danny Rojas.

He's like, You got this, ma'am.

And I thought, I'm like, oh my god, he's gonna literally kick in and say, Football is live!

And he didn't.

That's weird.

Yeah, what happened to Football is Life?

I don't know.

Maybe you could find like a forum of other people upset about it.

I'll look into it.

So that's your Ted Lasso recap.

Yes.

And now it's time for Vander Pump Rules recap.

So I want to say, I'm really like genuinely, like, I'm trying not to be a hater because like this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to me.

But the fact that we got through two entire whole episodes without Raquel joining the group, like one is not enough.

We didn't need two with Sheena.

We needed two with Raquel.

We got like one and a half of each because we needed to be able to do that.

No, we did.

Like she sat down at 9.59.

And then

we got trailer Raquel.

We got trailer Raquel and Tom.

We got them outside of of the trailer.

Like half of the episode was lunch.

It doesn't count.

I know.

I agree, but like you also have to remember like it's still Bravo.

And so even though they didn't like make us wait till the third episode to talk about Scandinaval, like they are going to tease the fuck out of everything and make us pay.

They're so annoying.

Like at their current.

I was annoyed.

Like when I was enjoying the episode, I really, and I really was enjoying Sheena and I wasn't like dying for her to leave or anything.

But then when Raquel comes out and the episode ends, ends, I hadn't realized what time it was.

And I was like, oh, that's fucking annoying.

No, Sheena was like giving her platinum vinyl to Andy at 9.43.

And then they went to a commercial break.

And then they went to Raquel's one-on-one.

I was like, oh, she's literally not sitting until 9.59.

Me and Ben were, Ben was like so annoyed.

That snuck up on me.

I didn't realize.

I was acutely aware of the time because I'm like, I need this bitch to sit down.

Yeah.

So that's a peak.

A peak moment was Ariana telling Andy that Raquel and Tom are not sitting sitting next to each other.

Like, I kind of loved that.

And he listened.

Because it is actually odd that they didn't sit next to each other.

Like, it would have been visually crazy to see her in between the Toms.

Yeah.

But that's also so fucking disrespectful to Ariana.

And like, if we're all Team Ariana, then like we can't put production ahead of her feelings.

No, it's very true.

I have like kind of an unpopular opinion because I know a lot of people are like confused and annoyed that like Lisa Vanderpump is taking Tom Xandoval's side.

And I don't think she is.

I just think she's like

trying to get him like the space to speak because nobody will let him speak.

And I actually am appreciative that she's doing that because this whole thing where like every time Tom says something, like eight people just descend and he doesn't actually finish his sentence.

Like, I want to hear what this monster has to say.

Like, I'm curious.

I actually am appreciative, Lisa attempting to like regulate this conversation.

I agree.

Like, it's not productive if everyone jumps down his throat.

And even when he's saying something and everyone like immediately just calls him out, like, oh, will you fuck Rock Helen?

And it's like, no, we all know that.

so like we're all listening to whatever he's saying with that in mind like so let him bury himself like we don't need like and just I want to hear what this actual sociopath has to say for himself and like hear how he rationalizes certain things and how he can judge and critique others because if it was a normal human being sitting there they would just shut the fuck up only speak when spoken to and try and

try and keep their head down but I want to hear him pop off at Lala about absolutely nothing to do with him because it makes him look even stupider because we all know what he did.

No, and like he was like saying stuff that was like kind of interesting, but nobody could hear him because everybody was screaming.

Like when he said Lala pulled her IUD out the second Stasi got pregnant, what does that mean?

I have no idea.

Please elaborate, sociopath, but nobody heard him.

Yeah.

Nobody can't.

Yeah, but like he has just no credibility.

And also his credibility is so shot.

Like whether he's telling the truth or he's telling a lie, like we can just call it a lie.

Of course.

No.

And that's the thing with the um with the restraining order he like swore that he here heard her say i punched that bitch in the face and

ariana either ariana is just like protecting her friend as she should and maybe she's lying because of the legal case or tom is lying honestly to me i don't care whether uh sheena punched raquel like

yeah no but it matters to them And I know that it matters to Sheena in this moment because in this moment, like two days later, she has to go to court.

And I'm sure she's actually really scared.

Yeah, no, it matters to them, but like, yeah, I don't care whether or not, like, morally, if Sheena technically punched her.

And also, like, we saw what

it amounted to on Maquell's face.

So, like, I think we can all envision what it was.

But if you want to call that a punch, a slap, or a push, like, that's just, it makes, it makes a difference legally, but it doesn't make a difference in terms of like what.

Our brains.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, no, I feel like there were times when it's like, Ariana is obviously the

victim.

The victim.

No, and he, she's also the moral one in the relationship.

And And I feel like since Tom has lied so much and he has literally no credibility and you can just write off everything that he's saying as a lie, like it actually leaves Ariana space to also lie because no one is going to believe him.

Improvise.

Yeah.

No, and it's like, I literally don't care if she's lying.

Like, she didn't tell the big lie for eight months that you did.

So who gives shit?

Katie and Tom were like absent from this reunion.

I like.

Well, because she buried him in one breath.

And it was

the most beautiful thing I ever saw.

Seriously?

I don't think I've ever seen somebody clap back at somebody so seamlessly and so like funny.

You're friends with everybody.

You're a serial killer's wet dream.

No, and she was like, you're going to get yourself chopped up if you keep up this behavior.

And it's so true.

He's so trusting.

Everyone's his friend.

He prioritizes everyone over his loyal wife of eight years.

Like, no, yeah, go, go, go, trust.

Brilliant.

But I have to say, like, Tom, like being like kitschy, like, I'm taking a Xanax.

Like, shut up.

Like, I find him so infuriatingly stupid.

I don't think anything he does is funny.

Like, he's not cute to me anymore.

And these little, like, oh, look, I brought a prop.

Shut up.

Yeah.

Shut up.

At least he is pretty much shutting up.

Yeah, it's so true.

Because he's smart.

He's like, I know I'm in trouble.

So I'm literally not going to speak up.

I'm not speaking unless spoken to because I don't want to cross my wires.

I don't want to say something that contradicts something else I said.

And he's also not a psychopath like Sandoval.

Like, oh, I'm in trouble.

I'm going to apologize and be small and be

very

college.

Like, what's the word?

Um,

with a C.

Kurt?

No, like, cun.

I don't know.

It'll come to me when this episode's over.

No, he's just, he has to, he has to be weak.

Yes.

And just take it.

Tom's like fighting back, and it's like, what are you trying to prove that Ariana was worthy of being cheated on by her best friend?

Like, in what world are we ever going to get to that conclusion?

But the fact that he thinks that that is somewhere somewhere that we might get to, and that's where he's trying to bring us

is

beyond words.

We're like, I really, like, I don't care, like, how bad things were in your relationship.

Like,

all that context, all that color he wants means nothing.

No, like, we'll never, ever justify what he did ever.

No, ever.

We don't care.

He doesn't get that.

No, he doesn't.

He's really trying to paint a picture as like he was this like forlorn boyfriend who tried and tried and he got no intimacy and no connection.

So he fell into the arms of another vagina.

Like we don't care.

Yeah.

We literally just, okay, so all those things are true.

Break up with her.

When they like went into like Lala's Randall thing, like I so don't care.

It's like so much has happened since then.

Like.

I literally forgot about Randall.

And like, of course, I feel for Lala and I know she's been through a lot, but in terms of like the storyline, every time they strayed away from Raquel, I was like, come on.

Oh, I felt the opposite.

I kind of needed a breather.

And I also felt like every other storyline storyline does segue back to Scandival anyway, because

it involves everyone.

So I was okay to like deviate for a second.

The only thing about Lala and Randall is like, I think a lot of it is legal.

So when she talks about these like horrible things, he's a horrible person.

Like I think we have maybe 10% of an idea of what she's talking about.

And it's frustrating that we can't know more, but I understand that we can't.

So it's that's why it was like literally a 90-second conversation.

Yeah, it was really, it was really quick.

I liked seeing Allie.

I actually really like Allie.

I really like Allie too.

And as we said, like, I just hope James can keep her.

I think she's really smart.

And you can tell that she is like a fun, cool girl because Katie and Lala really like her.

Yeah.

I think she's a great gal.

I think she is too.

And I really hope the best is for them and their relationship.

Like, really, I'm not even joking.

Yeah, but at this point, they've been together over a year.

So.

Could be good.

I do think there's like a part of her that like sought out being on the show, which I don't think is a a bad thing, honestly.

Like she was like, you know, she wanted to be an entertainment journalist before, like, and she watched Van Armored.

Like, I think part of her is into James for what he provides.

Agreed.

But if that were the case, she would have made a bigger splash on the season.

That's true.

And been like thirstier and just like getting into fights and starting stuff.

She did make a splash with the whole Abby thing, but I don't even think she knew what she was stepping in.

No, and she didn't even say that to Katie on camera.

Yeah, so true.

Like, I

think that actions speak louder than previous words, and she just was James's girlfriend.

It's also really interesting how, like, after they wrapped filming, this Ruck, Helen, Tom stuff, like, didn't die down, and there were all these conversations being had.

Like, Sheena took Ariana to lunch and was like, By the way, like, I'm like quaking.

No, that was crazy that, like, people had suspicions.

Like, when this came out for us, we were what I couldn't

fathom anything so crazy and I felt like that the cast felt that way too but come to find out like

Lala lit like had was fully on to them Katie too probably Sheena had enough suspicion to take it to Ariana like Ariana knew that this was a

thing possibility

that was the craziest thing to me yeah agreed

But I guess how could you not know that it's not like they were even hiding it that well?

No, they were being so dumb.

And like, that's what Andy was saying.

Like, I can't believe, I forget who he said this to.

Maybe Raquel and the one-on-one.

Like, how now, watching the season back, like, you guys were not even trying.

And I actually thought what Raquel said in her one-on-one was actually interesting.

That, like, her and Tom devised a plan.

Like, Tom coached her on what to say.

And then, when Ariana did just call her and was like, Tom's not going to tell me anything, like, if you ever even for one second cared about me, tell me everything.

And she did.

Yeah.

I feel of the two,

Raquel is more remorseful, even though it appears like she doesn't

cry.

She has a weird way, uh, she, but she's a weird girl, yeah.

The way that she handles or processes or shows emotions is not how

people would expect her to be acting right now.

But I also feel like sometimes when she's asked a question, like I feel like when she's asked a question, she tells the truthful answer.

You know what I mean?

Like, so Ariana called her and like she gave all the truths.

Like, I don't think she like sits there and lies to your face, but obviously she had this whole second life going on that no one knew about.

But if at any time someone asks, no, I guess Sheena did ask her.

Yeah, Sheena did.

Sorry.

Sheena did ask her.

And she lied straight to her face.

I take it back.

I just, that's the thing.

It's like now I have so many questions.

They're all, we've gotten not one answer about Raquel.

Like, to me, she's such a mystery.

And I think after part two, we should have known a little bit more.

Yeah.

And about like where they stood in their relationship.

Right.

Like, what is going on with them?

Like, that scene when he said during lunch, I loved that they were filming during lunch.

These people did not get five minutes off during this day.

When they were talking to each other in the trailer, it was very platonic.

It It was, they weren't giving us nothing.

And then they wanted to be off camera either, maybe so they could, like, you know, console one another and like come up with a game plan, maybe even kiss.

I don't know.

Um, and production wouldn't give that to them, which I lived for.

We don't know anything about like where these two stand, especially like now, even in real life.

Like, there was the

report that they had broken up, but nobody knows if that's true.

Apparently, someone said on a podcast like yesterday or the day before that after Raquel heard that Ariana, you know, told on Watch Rappins Live that she was sending Tom letters to the house, Raquel sent another letter to the house addressed to Ariana with a lightning bolt on it.

What is this?

The Da Vinci code?

I don't, I try, I'm trying to stay in like the truthful, factual, non-rumor-based sphere.

It's hard because then also things come from the rumor-based sphere that turn out to be true.

And it's like, oh, maybe I should have been paying attention the whole time.

But like, I can't, I can't process all of these little things that may or may not be true.

So everybody's like talking about this bombshell.

And when I saw the preview for part three, they said you have to wait till the last five minutes, like something happens.

Like everyone says, like, Raquel is pregnant, like all this stuff.

I thought last night when Sheena was wrapping up, I thought she was actually going to tell us she's pregnant.

I was like, oh, that's so sweet.

Oh, I thought maybe the

what was actually surprising was that Raquel dropped the restraining order.

Yeah, yeah.

But what do you think this bombshell is?

People said that the the bombshell was that lisa van der Pump knew the whole time Lisa Vanderpump debunked that on Twitter a couple of days ago there's no way she knew the whole time no there's no way what could it be and it's really being kept under wraps

I just think it's gonna be disappointing yeah I think so too

yeah

yeah well we'll find out next week we'll find out next week um

that's like after that like scandal ball's over like yeah but after that then everyone can do more interviews and stuff and like talk about what's going on now.

And I think it'll be like

another wave of Scandival information because as much as all the cast members are talking about it and doing their podcasts and other people's podcasts, like they've had to refrain from saying some stuff.

But I think once the reunion is truly over, like we'll get more.

Yeah, they're limited right now.

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