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Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to The Toast.

Happy Tuesday.

Nope.

Wednesday.

Wednesday.

Happy Wednesday.

We are putting the family in Friends and Family Week here at The Toast because I'm joined by my little sister, my confidant,

my inspiration, and kind of also my muse.

That's true.

It's the Snatchler.

Hi, everyone.

Welcome.

Oh, my God.

I feel like I haven't been here in a while.

You haven't been to this studio in a very long time.

Yeah.

I mean, the last time I did this was here, but I don't even remember when that was.

Probably maternity leave.

Yeah, or when I did QVC from this studio.

Yes.

So I'm excited to have you here, Counts.

I have a lot of stories.

Some I know you're super well versed in.

Like, I want to talk about Taylor's breakup.

Because Jackie and I spoke about it on Monday, but you know, it's different energy.

100%.

Talking about Taylor's stuff with Toxic Jackie.

So I want to talk about it with you.

Yeah, yeah.

And we're going to talk about Tom Sandoval.

Okay.

And we're going to talk about a lot.

But I kind of wanted to get the exclusive on what's going on with the counts before we dive into everything.

We also have deer toasters today.

But before that, like, let's talk because snitch on the toast.

Snitch on the toast.

Snitch on the toast.

I'm good.

No, I'm not done with my coast.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

And that jingle reminds me of

it's best of both, but um bum.

It's best of both.

RIP.

So for those of you who are new here, Margo has had a podcast on Toast News Network for quite some time.

They recently went through a rebrand.

And then you recently just kind of dropped an episode being like, listen, this podcast life is not for us.

Yeah.

We're out.

She hosted it with her best friend Nicole, who's in law school.

Talk about it.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it was something that like we both struggled with.

Like we kept doing it because we were just like, we have to sort of thing.

Like it's like we, it was like a part of us.

But then I think there was one point and I spoke to you guys about it.

I was just like, it's just like,

it's not working.

It wasn't working.

Like I have so much going on.

Like I have a corporate job.

I just got promoted.

Like I got I got like a big job.

And Nicole's in law school.

Like, she's about to start studying for the bar.

Like, no one wants to hear about like how she's just, like, holed up in her apartment.

And it's just like,

it just wasn't working.

And you know what?

Like, I think, I actually, like, and actually one of those people, I think it's so important to like know when something's not working and to be able to be like, it's bye.

No, it's totally fine to like acknowledge that like you're not enjoying it.

Yeah.

It's not working.

Like I don't think you were putting out like your best episodes.

I think your best episodes maybe were behind you.

100%.

And it wasn't making either of you guys happy.

So like, move on.

Exactly.

But, like, a lot of people, you know, conspiracy theorying, like, there's other things going on.

But, like, no, you and Nicole are good.

Are people conspiracy theories?

I must not be in those.

I think they are.

It's just like, you know, you just, it kind of just felt random for you to like drop.

I guess, but it felt like behind the scenes.

Like, it wasn't.

It wasn't.

Yeah.

But yeah, but also, like, how do you not make that random?

Like, do you want us to say every episode, like, we hate this?

Like, hey, this is going to come to an end soon?

Yeah.

Or would you rather just like live in La La Land?

Rip off the band.

And then rip off the band-aid.

But you and Nicole are good.

Yeah, we're good.

We saw everything yesterday.

Everything's good.

Everything is good.

There's no drama.

Well, Toast News Network actually hasn't been the same, but the good thing is that if you're looking for bits and pieces of the snatcher, you can still find her on the Redheads Book Club podcast, which meets once a month.

I'm still a podcaster.

Yeah, I can handle the once-a-month life.

I know, I know.

So, what's work?

Like, you're so busy.

Like, it's just like,

what's up with counts?

Like, what do you, what's going on in your life?

Um, work is good.

Like I said, I just got promoted.

So, wait, did you get promoted?

Yeah, I did.

So, you have to be proud of you.

Have you ever been promoted?

Okay, bitch.

No, no, no, that's not why I'm asking.

Just a follow-up.

Have I ever been promoted?

No,

but I just want to say it's not because like I wasn't a no, of course.

I just have been doing this always.

No, for sure.

The reason why I asked is like, you don't know the feeling of like when, like, it's the best feeling ever.

You're giving me like corporate judgment energy.

No, no, no, no, that's what we're doing.

It's just such a good feeling.

No, no, we're really proud of you and we're happy for you.

So that's really great.

We're promoted to what?

A director.

To president?

No, not yet.

President of this company?

I'm the owner of this house.

I'm the owner of this house.

Oh, no.

Not yet.

Not even fucking close.

But we're making our way there.

She's a director.

It's her directorial debut.

It's my directorial debut.

Love that for you.

But besides that, everything is good in my life.

Knock on wood.

Knock wood, knock wood.

I am still single, guys, don't worry.

But actively working on not being.

Right.

Relatable.

No PA stories, though, for you this time.

Yeah, that was a good one.

You caught me at a good time.

All the days I've been on have been pretty good.

Really?

Yeah.

That's such a relief, you know?

These guys, Margo.

Yeah.

And we get a lot of, and so it's good for dear toasters today because I feel like you can relate.

We get so many submissions about like just guys doing the most like abhorrent things.

It's not like, you know, so outright, like he pushed me.

It's like saying and doing the most like disgusting weird things.

They also do like the absolute bare minimum and think that you need to like give them a round of applause.

Right.

And like a blowjob.

Yeah, no, like it's not happening.

No, I feel for for the single girlies out there.

Like, I obviously love Ben and I'm grateful to him, but I'm also grateful to him, like, that I don't have to do that.

Yeah, but also, like, I will say, I mean, it depends like how you are in your singleness.

Like, some people are like so upset that they're single.

Some people embrace it.

Yeah, so it depends.

But, like, the thought, like, of like that someday, probably, like, soon in the near future, like, God willing, Blake, God willing, I'm, like, gonna have to like

share my life or something.

Sounds horrendous.

Yeah.

Well, not share your life, because that part is actually great.

It's to share your space.

Like, it's just like all of it.

Like, it's no longer just like me and Mags.

Like, yeah.

You have to be me, Mags, and this other person.

Aren't you looking forward to a father figure in Mags' life?

She needs that kind of stability.

She's kind of like this recluse.

Like, she's just like, she comes from a broken family.

She needs like a strong paternal figure.

No, like, I think.

No, I'm totally kidding.

I think that she, like, we have such a good thing going.

You do, but, like, Mags loves everyone.

And so imagine there's like another warm lap for her to lay in.

That for sure.

That, that I'm excited for.

But then it's also like, get the fuck away from my dog.

Let me ask you something.

Margaret, it's going to be our dog.

Just you have to be

let me ask you something.

Like let's say you started seeing a guy and it was like going really well and you were really happy and like into him and then he like comes over and either he's like allergic to dogs or like he just doesn't like connect with Magnolia.

The not connecting part, I don't mind because that can be worked on and like will eventually be rectified and whatever more for me

but the allergic part not an option because it's on my hinge it's on your hinge she's on my hinge like what do you put on hinge like it says pets yes pets yes and then one of my photos is me max of course because literally the most important person in your life has to be acknowledged obviously and am i on your hinge like a picture you are we have one family photo the one from utah oh so it's like an old ugly picture of me like i look gorgeous yeah okay oh actually you and i are doing like an upcoming brand partnership together and last night they emailed asking if there's a photo that we both approve.

Oh, we're going to have to photoshop.

So I said we would take one today.

Like, let's take a gorgeous photo today.

But I don't have like my hair done.

And shouldn't a gorgeous photo be like us in like dresses?

We're going to have to talk about it.

We'll workshop it.

The thing is, I can really only work with photos taken in the last like three months.

But can we Photoshop a photo together?

Okay, I knew this was going to be a problem.

Okay, we'll have to figure it out.

Maybe we just send separate photos.

I agree.

But that really wasn't like a problem.

Can they just pull from our Instagrams?

Those are clearly approved.

Those are approved, but like, like I said, only from the last three months.

Okay.

Okay, so all's good with counts.

All's good with counts.

Feeling good.

We have so much fun, good stuff coming up.

I know.

We finally got our tickets for the first show to Taylor in Nashville.

I was updating everyone on the podcast about it.

And I ended up.

And I read it.

You fucking bitch.

I literally did.

The next day, I was like, first of all, do you know what?

I'm not saying that.

No, tell me.

Tell me.

No, tell me.

No, why don't you fucking listen?

Please just tell me.

No.

Oh, listen that day, the one time I did.

The first day I talked about it, like, I was just kind of telling the story of what happened.

And you was very like me, me, me, like, I, I, I.

Yes, I agree because I, I, I did everything.

The next day, you then really took on the reins, but you listened to the podcast from the day before the next day.

So, like, so much had happened.

Then the next day, which I know you didn't fucking listen to because you don't support women in podcasting,

I said, oh my God, and Margo's been doing so much to the spreadsheet.

I give you so much credit.

Okay, thank you.

But you just weren't there to listen.

You just want to complain.

You just want to complain.

I learned that from you.

You just want to complain.

So we got our tickets for Nashville Eras.

We also just got tickets for New York Eras, but

it's going to be, we're going to go twice to New York because there's three shows.

Well, we can also, like, we're going with a brand.

We're going to have one.

Anyway, that was so clutch.

So clutch.

And they have a suite.

So that options.

It's another suite for us, which is great.

But we need to experience eras from like with those in person.

With the people.

Yeah.

And we need to feel the energy.

Also, like, it's important to note that we might have to go to all three because if there's one chance that one of them at life surprise songs is long live and we miss it, I'm just letting you know you're never going to see me again.

Okay, why would you think it would be long live?

Like at Met Life?

Well, I don't.

I'm just saying, like,

if she hasn't performed Long Live at any point, like, it gets closer and closer.

Unless, like, Long Live is going to be, like, the last one.

But Margot, what?

In her rotation of, oh my God, calm down.

And heard Margot, like, weird.

In her rotation of surprise songs, she has not been throwing in Speak Now songs, has she?

It's been Red, it's been Evermore, it's been...

that's a fair point but i gen like there's in no world could she not perform the one song she has about her fans it's literally the soundtrack of the era store it makes no money makes sense she's just open with it like yeah it makes no motherfucking sense so

that's all yeah that was all i'd say but also stagecoach what is your dream lineup for surprise songs Long live, obviously.

Ooh, and then I haven't really thought about my second one.

I think

I'm not going to assume it would be a speak now as well, but maybe.

Oh, New Romantics.

duh.

Yeah, New Romantics is good.

There's a few for me.

And I kind of feel like I might get, maybe not at my show, but I think she might do at some show this song because she's not been choosing like fan favorites.

She's been choosing songs that have like weird cult followings, you know?

Yeah, like TikTok.

Right.

And for me, that's peace.

Like, if I feel like I could get peace somewhere.

I think that especially now, you could be getting peace.

I just want to like warn everyone who's in a 10-mile radius and be like, if

she fucking sings peace, Like, I will, I will not be okay.

Yeah.

I will vomit on the floor, okay?

And then eat it up and vomit it up again, okay?

When I think of peace, I think of you, like

in smoking pod.

No, no, I think of you with your coloring book.

Yeah.

In like a puffer, something like in like 20-degree weather, looking at nature.

Yeah.

That song is really important to me.

No, I know.

So New Romantics, same.

I also would like kind of love if she did You Are In Love.

Oh my God.

The act.

Oh my God.

Yeah, I realized.

I guess I didn't realize she didn't do it.

I've only had like a recent appreciation for that song.

We saw 1989 on tour and I think maybe that was my bathroom song.

Like I wasn't.

Really?

And I just, I was wrong, which happens to me literally all the time.

Oh my God, it's so true.

I was so wrong.

So I would love that.

And also I would love to hear Clean, but she just did it.

She did it.

Yeah.

10 months old.

I'm trying to think of like, I feel like she really like covers Lover.

Oh, Death by a Thousand Cuts.

She did it.

Did she?

Just with Clean.

That show got Clean and death by a thousand cuts just this weekend in Chicago.

Those are the luckiest people who are.

No, it's so unfair.

Yeah, she really should do one shitty surprise song and one good surprise song at the same time.

Or maybe two good ones.

Like, how about that, Taylor?

Well, she did two good ones, but I'm saying it's not fair.

For everyone.

Oh, yeah.

For everyone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, okay, we have a lot of Taylor news because let's just get into it.

I think it's time.

I have my iPad, it's like chock full of tabs today.

I got stories, I got dear toaster.

So without further ado, you want to do it?

No, I don't feel confident enough.

Because you don't listen to the show and you don't know how we do it anymore.

No, I saw the moment moment with you and Ben, and you guys go, No, we do.

You fight you.

You fight for it.

No, we don't.

Yes, you do.

You fought for

who was fastest.

Don't lie.

I saw it.

No.

It was on TikTok.

We don't do that because we only did it when Ben was here because Ben hasn't approved the change, but Ben knows the change.

Oh.

So you don't know.

I don't know.

So you say, hi, I'm Margo Ashray.

Hi, I'm Margo Ashra.

And I don't support women in podcasts.

I didn't know where that was going.

I'm not saying that.

All right.

Without further ado, do that, do that, do.

Here are the fast five stories that you need to know.

That's it.

Oh my God.

What a change.

It really shook the game.

You know what?

It's so interesting because I was actually thinking about when I saw the thing of Ben, I was like, what do they say?

Because you wouldn't say like morning toast anymore.

So I was wondering.

And now I know.

And it's almost like you could just call me and ask.

I know.

I think of things and then I just like live in wonder.

Oh my, that's so my life.

Like these pants that I'm currently wearing today that I'm obsessed with, they're from Lululemon.

I put them in the wash three days ago and I kept forgetting to put them in the dryer.

And then they get smelly when they sit in the wash.

Yeah.

So you have to rewash them.

Of course, and as I'm falling asleep last night, I'm like, oh my god, I never put them in the dryer, but I really wanted to wear them today, so I had to get up.

Like, I was about to hit REM.

Yeah, I mean, but I did it.

My, the number one thing that I think one of my issues is is that I remember things, and I'm always like, you should write this down because you're gonna forget.

And I always, always forget.

Like, my number one feedback from my boss in my review was like, I tell you to do things.

And you go and sit back down at your desk and you don't remember.

You need to leave a pen and paper on your nightstand.

Or not even just that, my phone.

Like, no, phone is not like writing it down.

You will remember it.

Like, something about the hand motion you will remember i know i every time i pick up a pen and paper which is like maybe once a year i like can't write yeah same do you write a lot in your job um honestly no when it sometimes i'll make my to-do lists like handwrite it just because i think it's like better and easier to remember but even like

this past sunday i was doing like some spring cleaning uh yeah so i went to your margo's apartment recently for the first time in a while and i could not believe what i just like have so much shit so i was like you know how before you go to bed sometimes you're like, I haven't seen like this item in like a while.

That's the fucking worst.

And so then you get up and you find it.

So I have this one thing where like this happens, this happens a lot because it's like, it's a very nice item, but I never wear it.

So it's like knowing that I have it, but like it's not like a constant.

So I'm like, I just need to know where it is at all times.

So I'm going through like my

bureau, whatever, and I'm going through everything.

And I realize I've gone through everything.

And I'm like, I haven't seen her.

And I like don't know where she is.

So I like called Claudia.

I was like, oh, no, you call call me just like talk about something.

And I was like, I'm so sorry.

I literally can't focus on this conversation.

I'm probably talking about myself.

And I couldn't find it.

And I was like going back and forth, going back and forth, knowing that I had one of these things where I couldn't find something before I went to sleep.

And I was like, okay, let me like be smart and put it in like a smart place.

And you hit it from yourself.

I hid it for myself.

And I knew, like, when I was going through everything, I was like, I know that I put it somewhere.

And I knew that I wrote it down.

Yeah.

And I don't, I could not find it.

So I think actually, I don't know if writing it down helps because where do I then put that thing?

You know, I feel like in every every young woman's life.

I did find it, by the way.

She did find it and she was so happy.

I feel like in every young woman's life, and I feel like every person can relate to this, there's like something, most likely a piece of jewelry that they lost in like in their life.

I mean, that haunts them.

Yeah.

What's yours?

The earring?

Two pairs of diamond earrings.

Yeah.

That wasn't even what I was looking for.

Because

I will never get a pair of diamond earrings ever again.

Never wear a diamond earring.

Never.

If anyone who will date me at some, some point in my life, never get a curse.

It's a curse.

It's a curse.

Yeah, the first time you were like a lifeguard, right and you think it fell off in the pool um well no the first time i think i just like lost it and like that was bad and like that was totally on me yeah the second time it was not on me i was wearing them and i was training to be a lifeguard for my like summer job and we had to like do a dive yeah to like go save someone so i dove and it came out of my ear you felt it i felt it It was an Olympic-sized pool and I was at the bottom of that fucking pool for hours looking for the diamond earring.

Obviously, I didn't find it.

It's tiny.

Probably went down the drain.

Yeah.

Oh, that story, like, that was tough.

Haunts me.

I think for me, and feel free to drop in the comments, what's your trauma loss of like an item you'll never saw again, but that weirdly meant a lot to you?

You know, growing up, we all had those nameplates.

Jackie still has hers.

It says Jacqueline.

You still have yours?

I don't have mine.

I don't know.

It's not even like, oh, I was biking and I lost it.

Like, it just got lost in time.

And I'm really upset about it.

Yeah, that's an upsetting one, but I should just get one made.

Will you send me a picture of yours?

Okay.

I saw it this week.

The way that I know that I have it is because I saw it this weekend.

And it was like a gift from mom.

That was tough.

Olivia still has hers too?

Probably.

Well, I feel like Olivia has a different one because she's a silver girl.

I feel like I can imagine.

Yeah.

That was tough.

Okay, sorry.

We totally went on a tangent.

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All right, Margo, our first story is something I know you did your homework on last night.

So I really appreciate.

And I know you know the basics.

And I actually feel like you kind of knowing the bare minimum and me knowing everything is perfect for the story that I'm about to share.

So Andy Cohen has dragged Howie Mandel's interview with Tom Sandoval, saying he didn't do his homework.

So the Watch Robins live host laughed at Howie Mandel's interview with Tom Sandoval on Tuesday night's show, claiming that the podcast host didn't do his work.

So, you know, Andy ends his show doing a Mazzle of the Day and Jack Hole of the Day.

And he named his jackhole Howie Mandel for like like having Tom Sandoval on his podcast.

And like, literally, this is the interview of a lifetime.

I'm just confused by like who, like, why they chose that.

Okay, let me tell you.

I don't even need my iPad.

Like, I know more than this about page six.

So, weirdly, okay, so you know Tom Sandoval.

And he's like, he's turned 40 and he's been having a midlife crisis.

And like, a few years ago, clearly, a few years ago, he started like this band.

I've seen it on TikTok.

Tom Sandoval and the most extras.

Because literally one time, three years ago on the show, somebody called him extra and he tried to like turn it around and like make it.

I don't know people like do that.

No, you can do it.

Like, Taylor did it.

You did it smart.

Taylor did it with like snakes and reputation.

Like, you did it with Disgraced Queen.

We did it with Disgrace Queen.

This is not the same.

So it was just cringe, and it's like a cover band, and it's 14, literally 15 people in the band.

It's the biggest band.

Is it sing?

No.

Okay.

And it's just like narcissism in its truest form.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So one of the guys in his band, who he literally pays his band members a thousand dollars a day, like just to hang out with him.

Like the band is bleeding money.

It's crazy.

One of his bandmates is just like a, you know, he's a part-time musician, part-time comedian, and he does does podcast production for Howie Mandel.

So it's just this weird coincidence.

And from Howie's perspective, I mean, who knew Howie Mandel had a podcast?

This was a great thing.

By the way, I had no idea.

It was a great thing for Howie.

And I'm glad he had the self-awareness to bring his daughter in.

I don't know if she sits in on every podcast.

I don't think so.

So at its core, like, okay, I can understand.

For Tom Sandoval, I mean, he's such a fucking thirsty star fucker narcissist.

For him to be like, I mean, he could go on any show right now.

Yeah.

Like, we would have him, you know?

you'll be yeah he's probably like afraid for him to go on the show of a person who has quite literally no idea what's going on the stakes are so much lower it was actually kind of smart like I understood it how he's not gonna check him and be like but on August 24th this Bravo account reported he's not gonna get checked so you know what I kind of understood it

I sat down to watch it.

I had to watch it three separate times.

I watched the first 10 minutes when it first came out and Margo, it was so mind-numbingly longing.

An hour and 20 minutes.

Oh my God.

It was so mind-numbingly stupid.

I said, you know what?

This is going to be my 13th reason.

I can't watch this.

Then last night before bed, I was like, Margo's coming on the toast.

It's not like, you know, I can let Jackie watch it.

Right.

I have to watch this whole thing.

So then I watched the next 40 minutes.

And I was like, you know what?

I can't keep going.

Like, I can't keep going.

I feel as though I've gotten the gist.

Yeah.

And then this morning when I was getting ready, I was like, you know what?

Let me just put it on the background.

And I finished it.

And, you know, I didn't really, you really didn't need to watch.

any of it.

I had seen like some tweets recapping it and it was enough.

It was so crazy, Margot.

So first of all, Howie Mandel has no fucking idea who these people are.

His daughter and Tom are like going back and forth about castmates.

And he's just chiming in.

Who's Sheena?

Shut up.

Oh, that's so annoying.

To interrupt the conversation with like basic clarifications.

That's like literally.

I can't even think of a comparison.

That's stupid.

It was so infuriating.

So basically the roles, I think, were meant to be like Howie, good cop, daughter, bad cop.

Okay.

Because Howie is very much like an advocate for mental health.

And Tom has gotten, you know, the fans have turned on him and he's been in a really dark place.

So I think Howie was meant to take the place of like, you know, we're human, we all make mistakes.

You cheated on your partner, you know, you're not a murderer.

And his daughter was supposed to like kind of poke inconsistencies in his story.

He was just lying about the whole timeline and everything.

And she just sat there.

She just sat there.

And you know what?

I don't think Howie Mandel was really prepared for what would descend upon his podcast.

You have to read the comments, Margot.

His daughter's Instagram, like Bravo fans are probably the most fanatic of any network for sure.

Totally.

I would say it's on par with like a pop stars fandom.

BTS.

Like they're really, they don't let shit go and they do.

And I have to.

They don't forget a thing, Margo.

I went to the daughter's Instagram.

I actually felt bad for her.

They were liking her.

Like it was on her to represent them.

Yeah.

And to just, so the whole interview.

And how he was like listening to Tom's side of the story.

And Tom is this like crazy, Tom is a legend in his own mind.

He thinks he is the hottest, most greatest, most talented man on earth.

And so he's telling his side of the story, which is basically, you know, he just, he fell in love with someone else.

So they're in love.

Are they still together?

He, they don't want to put labels on it right now, but yeah.

He fell in love with someone else and he was in this relationship with someone who, you know,

was depressed like she's been very open about how she said like bouts of depression.

And so it's like, Howie, you're over here being like mental health advocate and you're he's like literally making fun of Ariana.

He's like, she didn't want to leave the house.

I'm like, cause she's depressed.

Yeah.

Not because she doesn't like you like he was just being he was being horrible to her and the whole time they left out the most key part of this affair and like the dynamics of all these three people is he didn't just fall in love with some girl right he fell in love with Ariana's best best friend like Raquela's been brought into this group brought into the show like she could have she was brought in because she was in a relationship with James and when they broke up like everybody could have like ditched her and not filmed with her and she wouldn't Ariana like made sure that the girls and then Sheena started becoming friends there it was all Ariana Ariana's a really nice girl she's never been like the starter of the drama.

And they totally forgot, left that out.

That's like such an important piece of context.

That's why it's so fucked up.

That's why it's right.

I mean, it's fucked up, period.

But like to another level.

Margot, this interview, it was infuriating.

And the whole thing about Tom and Ariana, and they really weren't never a match because Ariana has said from the beginning, she's very, you know, anti-patriarchy.

She's very not traditional.

She doesn't want to have kids and she doesn't want to get married.

She likes to be in a relationship, but she doesn't feel the need to get married.

And Tom has never like fully been on board with those things.

And those are core things.

If you met someone who didn't want to have kids, like that's a deal breaker.

100%.

Right.

There's certain things that are just,

for some people, deal breakers.

And he said towards the end of the relationship, like he was really withdrawn because he had fallen in love with her, Kelly.

She didn't know that.

And he had suggested they go to therapy.

And therapy really started working for...

for Ariana.

But he had

taken her to therapy to break up with her in therapy.

But she started using the therapy as like, oh my God, like let's fix this.

And she wanted to have a conversation with him about freezing her her eggs, like, for him.

It was so heartbreaking.

Did you say that in the thing?

Yes, I couldn't believe he was admitting all these things.

Because he probably doesn't even realize that it's like wrong.

Narcissist.

Yeah.

He was saying these things that were so heartbreaking that I think he was saying to defend himself, but made him look so bad.

He also said, you know, there had been like rumors and like people saying certain things about me and Raquel, but Ariana didn't believe it.

She chose to trust me.

That's what.

Because she should.

Literally, how bad does that make you look?

Now, some of my inside sources, it was very odd because

the cast has been doing their own podcast.

Sheena has a podcast.

Lala has a podcast.

They all have a podcast.

So they've been blowing this up in part because it's their job.

You know, there's a big scandal going on in their show.

Their show is being, is so relevant right now.

It really hasn't been relevant in many years.

Right.

So they're all making the most of it and they're all defending Ariana.

And I think everything they're doing has been done with Ariana's blessing.

You know, Lala's selling merch about, you know, with something about the scandal on it.

And it's all going to Ariana's favorite charity.

Like, oh, Ariana is very much a part of all the girls.

They're really close with her.

And Tom was going on and on about how disgusting it is that they're all exploiting this.

And like, Margo, if you only knew how his role on the last eight years of the show has been finding other people's like tea and skeletons and bringing it to light, like he's the bone carrier.

To hear him be like, it's just so disgusting.

Like, I've known these people and they're out here exploiting like

pot, kettle, your motherfucking black.

Margo, it's.

As somebody who knows the history, to watch the interview was an exercise in self-control.

Like, okay, I have two questions.

Does Andy Cohen hate Tom Sand at all?

So, I mean, I don't know if Andy's like getting personally invested in the drama.

I think he's so grateful as he's like an executive.

He really was one of the first champions of the show.

I think he's grateful that this is happening.

I'm sure at the reunion, he never takes sides, but he does push.

He asks the obvious questions.

He's a very good, a few times he's dropped the ball in Bravo history, Bravo, Monique and Candace.

But for the most part, he like asks the questions and he scours the internet for like Bravo fans and he takes their questions.

So Andy doesn't like hate him, but he's definitely not going to help him in this situation.

Schwartz.

It's a very good question, Margo.

I'm glad you're a very good student.

Schwartz is a very interesting, because, and that's what he kept saying, Tom Sandoval in the interview.

He's like, I don't know why everyone's getting involved.

There's three people in this, me, Ariana, and Raquel.

And like, that's really not true.

One, because he told Schwartz and like Schwartz knew about it, and Schwartz is friends with all these people.

He put Schwartz in the worst position.

And Schwartz has been like doing interviews, and he had to go and watch Japan's live, and he like like can't keep his timeline straight.

He like doesn't know what he's supposed to say and he's really not that smart.

Like it's it was actually painful his interview on Watch Chapman's Live.

And, you know, Schwartz has rid so hard for Sandoval forever.

It was a huge reason why he got divorced.

Tom Sandoval was so mean to Katie Maloney, Tom Schwartz's wife.

And Tom Sandoval, I mean, Tom Schwartz, excuse me, like never defended his wife.

And then that was just a pattern in their relationship, but it was really bad with Tom Sandoval.

So to say that Tom Sandoval was a reason for their divorce is entirely accurate.

I know it sounds crazy, but like it was.

That's fair.

But Tom Schwartz just like fucking rides for this guy so hard and nobody knows why.

That's weird.

Like they're business partners that I get why you would want to keep a good relationship.

But time after time, people are hating Tom Schwartz now for his part in this.

Right.

Is it worth it, this friendship?

Doesn't sound like it.

You lost your wife.

Yep.

Their businesses are fucking in flames.

Nobody wants to support Tom.

You know, Bravo fans,

they know their support is like

currency.

Yeah.

And they'll, you know, wield that like a weapon.

Yeah.

We'll come to Schwarzenegger's or we won't.

Yeah.

So there was one more point I wanted to make.

Oh, and I did hear, and it was fairly obvious, you know, because a lot of people have been like, Ariana should do an interview before this Tom Sandoval interview came out.

And I think a lot of people thought the natural place for that would be call her daddy.

And Alex Cooper even posted something being like, I see you.

Bravo PR will not let anyone do an interview until after the reunion airs.

The reunion airs at the end of May.

So Alex was like, honestly, I don't know if it'll like still be relevant.

And I would love to do it now, but it's just not going to work out.

She told everyone, just like, back off, like, I'm trying.

But, but this.

And so Tom went ahead and did this interview without approval from Bravo, without approval from PR, without approval from anyone.

So he's like making enemies everywhere he goes.

He's so dumb.

He's so dumb, especially because his contract is up and he

either can or cannot resign for this upcoming season.

I mean, I don't know what he could do that would make Bravo fire him.

This is he has to be on the next season.

Right.

So maybe he knows that being like, there's no way I'm not getting ass back.

Like, let me just tell my side of the story.

And I think he really thought by the end of the day.

Ariana should do the same thing.

She's in the same place.

Yeah, I know, but like Ariana doesn't need to.

Everyone, Tom is out here burning his whole life to the ground.

Like everyone else is speaking for her.

Let him act like an animal.

And she just keeps posting things on Instagram like being cute.

Yeah.

Everyone is team Ariana.

Honestly, less is more.

I kind of like love what she's doing.

This interview, I will never get the brain cells and the hour and 20 minutes back.

It was so mind-numbingly stupid.

And I love that Andy addressed it.

And watch happens live is weirdly most of the time not live anymore.

so if he wants to address something like he has to do it the next day and like it's kind of awkward so i guess last night happened to be in an interview that was an episode that was live and what he said was um he accused him of being the jackal of the day um and accused him of apparently not knowing what he was getting himself into um on the howie mandel does does stuff podcast and he said now both sandoval and howie are being dragged on social media which is so true and he said howie you have to be careful before you take a side bravo fans are very passionate so especially when you're going to take the wrong side at the end of the interview Margot, first of all, does Howie not have like a publicist?

Margot.

Is there someone to like be like...

I blame the daughter.

Like she knows the optics and she let her dad just

burn it to the ground.

At the end of the interview, he's like shaved Tom Sandoval's mustache.

Margot, it was so stupid and kitschy.

And at the end, he was just like, you know, to the audience, like, he's a guy.

He made mistakes.

Like, it's not that bad.

Like, it's okay.

If you see him out, go to his bar.

Like, really, it was trying to be like

redemptive.

Do you think that like Howie's like mad?

Or he's like happy?

Because I'm sure it's the most downloads he's ever gotten.

I don't think Howie Mandel like really cares about like negative feedback.

He's a lifelong comedian.

Like you don't care about shit like that.

So no, I think he's overwhelmingly happy that his podcast that's pretty much nobody knew about before is on everybody's lips.

So true.

So you know what?

What they say is bad press is no press, whatever they say.

There's no such thing as bad publicity.

It's true.

Yeah, that's true.

Oh my God, you guys, I will never, like, I'm mad at Howie Mandel.

Like, actually mad at Howie Mandel for me.

It's making money that you just referred to to him as a comedian because when I think of Howie Mandel I think of America's Got Talent when I think of Howie Mandel I think of deal or no deal

both not comedians no, but those jobs go to comedians like when you think of Stevie why can't I remember his name?

Steve Harvey, excuse me, what do you think?

His talk show, but he got a talk show because he was a successful comedian.

I guess Ellen comedian.

Well, yeah, but that I knew like every major like host is a comedian is a comedian.

Not so much these days because it's like, oh, you have a follower?

Come host this.

Kelly Clarkson, Drew Barringmore yeah that's true they're like the Jimmies the Jimmies it's really like to have a background in comedy you can do whatever you want you can be an actor sorry I'm about to take such a left turn yeah go but did you hear about James Corden and how like for his final episode like one direction might be getting back together okay like I heard this fake-ass conspiracy theory yes but like there's a lot of like stuff No, there's a lot of good reasoning.

I got a lot of good reasoning.

Also, if anyone could do it, it would be James Corden.

Okay, but do you think that means like One Direction four members or One Direction five members?

Four?

Yeah.

I really don't.

Well,

Zane,

he like has posted like two videos of him singing.

And then Night Changes, I think.

I just want to say, like, I would prefer if it was four.

Same.

I like literally hate Zane and I don't care.

Like when he left the band, I was unaffected.

I'm like, that album was Firefly.

That was Midnight Memories, or that was

made in the AM.

A whole lot of history.

We could be the greatest team that the world has ever seen.

You meet.

Oh, you're done.

Okay, sorry.

All right, next up is the breakup news of the century.

We don't need to go into the details of the breakup, but I did think it was really interesting.

Taylor Schwift was seen out in New York City for the first time since the Joe Alwin breakup news.

And also, just like

we got a paparazzi picture of Taylor, and we probably haven't gotten that in two years.

No, Taylor is only seen if she wants to be seen.

Right.

So for me, her going out to dinner out on the town, New York City, via Corota, which is a clear, it's like a celeb hot spot in the city.

100%.

Not that good.

If you want to go see celebrities when you come to New York, go to Via Corota.

And getting paparazzied, that to me is a confirmation of the breakup.

Okay.

That's her subliminal way of being like, yeah.

I just remembered that I had a dream the night that this broke that

Taylor and I like ran into each other.

You're not okay.

And like became friends.

And she was like telling me all about it.

What did she say?

She was just like so happy to be rid of him.

I kind of feel like that might be her energy.

Like she's just like, oh, like finally.

Yeah.

There's also been reports coming out, like people trying to speculate at first it was said you know sources say it's totally amicable now people are saying he really couldn't handle her fame and he was jealous well that narrative makes a bit of sense to me in terms of like he's too obvious but that they were like in the bubble in 2016 and then they went right into the pandemic bubble and he's really i mean this is her first this is her first

That's a lie, never mind.

I was saying this is her first tour of them as a couple, but reputation.

And he was able to handle it then.

And that was really when she emerged from like her.

And it was like the snake, whatever.

So actually,

I don't buy it.

She is much more famous and ubiquitously like well-liked right now.

Well liked, yeah.

But I don't know.

I don't believe that.

She's always been famous.

I'm sorry.

Yeah, and it's all good things right now.

Like knock on wood.

You know, like last time it was like, oh, does this person like you're scared to say the name Taylor Swift because you don't know what kind of reaction you're going to get.

Yeah.

Whereas now it's like she's beloved.

Yeah, I don't think that's the reason.

I think it's far too obvious.

I actually think like the kind of boring reasoning of like the relationship just ran its course.

How is that possible?

Sorry, I don't want to be that person, but how does like when, because it seemed like it was a relationship where it was like they were going to get married, like they were going to have a question.

It was just like

over.

What?

You're saying if I date anyone for six years, it's run its course?

I don't know.

I just, it's a good question.

I really don't know actually what that means, but I don't, I'm just having a hard time believing it's like really

animous.

Animus.

I don't think there's any animosity.

I don't think she really does anything really with so much animosity until she's pushed to the point where she has to.

Which is a good segue into our next story.

So if you want to say anything else about Taylor Swift's breakup, like who you want to see her with, now would be the time.

Actually, it's not our next story, forget it.

Oh, um, ooh, who I want to see her with.

Uh, I'm really, I would love for her to like date, like, a star.

Like, I'm ready.

Like, I loved Joe Allwin.

He was like nice and cute, but like, he wasn't a star.

He was very, like, indie music festival.

Like, I want her, like, at the Oscars with like, uh, but she doesn't walk red carpets with her mans.

So, it doesn't even matter who she dates because we'll never see them together.

I know.

And because I feel like she's figured out that that's the recipe to making her life work manageable.

Um, so it won't even, like, matter.

So, I guess it doesn't even have to be.

Maybe it's just like a business man, but it's probably better if it's somebody out of the business.

Because if that whole fame thing is true, she dates like Ariana Grande, like met a real estate agent who, like, from New York, like, and then like married him.

Like, that would be fucking wild to me.

It would be boring.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'd be like, why you?

Yeah.

No, it's when you're that powerful as a woman, it's very hard.

It's like, okay, you can date someone on your level.

There are very few people, let alone, you know, hetero men that you have to like that are single.

Like, it's, I don't even know who it would be.

Yeah.

Or you could date somebody totally out of the business.

That's just like boring for your fans.

Right.

Or you date someone in the business who's not as famous for you.

And then there's a whole contemptuous

Morgan Evans, Kelsey Ballerini.

Right.

But then it gets weird.

Yeah, 100%.

Then it gets motherfucking weird.

Oh my God.

I had the craziest dream about Kelsey Ballarini.

Good?

Bad?

Bad.

I can't even say it.

And it was so crazy.

I'll tell you about it afterwards.

Like

the Taylors were in my dream.

You were probably there.

Ben, like the Turks and Caicos crew, Ryan.

And I had, we went to a Kelsey Mallerini concert.

She did the craziest thing.

I can't even say it because people are going to think I'm so psychotic.

Yeah.

And like maybe don't.

Unwell.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'll tell you about it later.

Yeah.

Well, anyway, she seems to be doing fine.

She's fine.

And of course, if we're now hearing about it, that means she's probably had a few months to heal.

I don't think this is a fresh breakup.

No, I don't think so at all.

I'm just like, I don't really know how to listen to the music anymore.

I know.

Not to be that person, but like, she wrote these like crazy like love songs about like finally finding.

And it's just like now it all feels like a bit fraudulent.

No, it doesn't feel fraudulent because in the moment like you feel what you feel and it's it's okay to change your mind and change your feelings.

Maybe he broke up with her.

But you know what?

You know who like deserves a place in hell?

It's like everyone of like once the news broke is like, can't wait for the album.

Oh, like such good music.

Yeah, no, that's just like an annoying thing people on the internet say.

Yeah.

It's like,

oh, because like paid like on my Facebook, which I never track, but like page six like came up as like one of the news articles, whatever.

And I'm like, let me just like go look at the comments.

Ooh, Facebook.

And the news being like, another one bites the dust.

Sheppa.

Like, oh, she can go write a song about them.

Like, what is this 2014?

She's literally.

I'm just like.

People are not.

To go to the Facebook comment section is a really brave thing to do, Mario.

Yeah.

I would never.

I don't know why I did that.

I would quite literally never.

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Did you watch Brookshield's Pretty Baby documentary?

No, because every single person that posted about it was like, this is like

disturbing.

And I was like, I'm not in the mood to be disturbed.

That's fine.

I watched it.

And this is an interesting tidbit.

So Brookshield says that the Blue Lagoon director has reached out to her after her bombshell documentary.

So brookshield says um she went wait i need you to what'd she say about it okay so the whole let me give you and for anyone who hasn't watched a documentary including counselor we weren't alive for it so we don't really know but like brookshields has been famous since she was about nine yes she was this exquisite looking young girl and she started modeling and it very quickly went to fucking weird levels and dark places.

You know, she was 11, she plays a prostitute whose virginity gets sold and to this man and she falls in love with this 30-year-old man and they kiss.

And they literally kiss.

There's a nude scene when she's 11 in this like european art film and then she does blue lagoon and that really we've seen blue lagoon um and she's 15 or 16 which is better but still fucking weird because she's naked um

and it was just this very disturbing culture around brooch shields and a lot of it you know

it's like we don't the documentary was like who are we blaming here right her mother did not protect her her mother was i saw a clip of like her on the drew battery more show like talking about her mom her mom was like a crazy alcoholic and her mom also grew up in that type of you know culture where it was like you use your body to make money.

And they, she was a single mom and it was just her and Brooke and she used what she could to get them a new house and a new car.

And it very, it was a very slippery slope.

Yeah.

And of course the industry for being fucking weird and the culture

for being obsessed with a girl.

And when she turned 18, like she couldn't get arrested, nobody wanted her.

Like she went to college.

She was like so famous by the time she turned 18 and she never let it get to her head.

Like she just was this kind of weird, nerdy girl and she was this sex symbol, but everything she did was sexualized and she was literally a virgin and she went all through college being a virgin and it actually came she wrote a book um

like how to go to college and it was like written for her and it was so stupid but she did put in there because she thought it was important like i'm a virgin right and that's all anybody wanted to talk about and it was like virgin virgin virgin virgin just everyone this probably made everyone more even more obsessed with her sexually oh my god So it was just, it was such an upsetting documentary.

And then by the time she graduates college, like she can't get arrested because she's 21 now.

Like, oh, she's too old.

Nobody cares.

And she ends up having like an illustrious career and she's very talented.

But so she went on the Drew Barrymore.

And Drew Barrymore was in the documentary as one of like the testimonials because she's a friend of Brooke and she also

child star.

Right.

So during the actress's appearance on the Drew Barrymore show, Brooke Shields told the host Drew Barrymore that Randall Kleiser, who directed and produced the 1980s Blue Lagoon, quote, did send me a call.

I saw his name on my phone and I was like, what do I do?

I let it go to voicemail because I was like, I don't want to see what his tone is.

And he wants to chat.

I don't know about what, but I don't feel like bringing all of it up again, which I totally respect.

I mean, I mean, what could he say?

The movie, and you know what?

We saw the movie when we were young.

And I think for a lot of people, and that's what they said in the documentary, it was very much like a rite of passage to see this movie.

It's a coming-of-age story, learning about your body.

And it's fucking weird.

It's fucking weird.

I didn't realize she was 15.

She was so young.

I'm sorry.

And she's naked the whole time.

How is that not child pornography?

It is.

And so at the end of the movie, she's sitting down with her daughters and she was talking about how like exciting it is for her to be a mom now and like have two daughters who are like so independent and like have agency over them, their bodies.

And she never had that.

And so she feels it's so important to do that for her daughters.

And they were talking about just like how weird it is that all this stuff happened to her.

And they were comparing it to Euphoria.

Okay.

And they were like, you know, because we're watching Euphoria, which is like really sexual about high schoolers, but they're 25.

I was going to say, yeah, they're 25.

And Mike was like, that is so interesting.

She thought that was the craziest thing.

And they're like, mom, you know, it's literal child pornography.

And the craziest thing was that like Brooke had been shot nude photos when she was nine, like, for, like, this artistic, like, book or whatever.

And they never were published.

Then she got really famous when she was, like, maybe 15 or 16.

The guy wanted to publish them.

There was like full nude of a nine-year-old.

And

her mom sued him.

Okay.

And they all went to court.

And it was just horrible how they like cross-examined her.

And they lost.

And he published the photos.

He owned the photos.

Like, Brooke's mom.

He should be arrested.

I know, but if it's art, I think it's like a blurred line.

Isn't that fucking weird?

Oh my God.

That is actually disgusting.

Yeah.

And it was just like everything in life with her book was so hard.

Like she wanted to get pregnant and she got pregnant and she had a crazy postpartum depression, like couldn't even hold her baby.

Yeah.

And she finally wrote like a real book about it.

Like, and it was all about postpartum and how she was so, somebody finally got her in therapy and like it changed her life.

And I think she went on meds.

And fucking Tom Cruise goes on the motherfucking, I don't know if it was Oprah or GMA or some shit, and was like, because the book became this phenomena for women.

They're like, oh my God, nobody had spoken about postpartum they're like i went through this too and i felt fucking crazy and motherfucking tom cruise went on this show being like always about tom cruise yeah he was like it's really irresponsible that she's telling women to start taking medication and like you know making them feel crazy that like

literally she was like i couldn't believe tom cruise was coming for me i she didn't even know him it was like right but the book had become such a like a thing thing for women and he's over here being a little fucking rat and people fucking went after him and he had to apologize it was great yeah it was great it was great it it was great but like you're kidding you're kidding me shut the fuck up there's so much wrong with you tom cruise like i do want yeah right those in glass houses tom shut the fuck up the call is coming from inside the house tom shut the fuck up cute in your analogies today oh am i saying a lot yeah like how many times are you gonna say she couldn't get arrested Did I say that a lot today?

Yeah, yeah.

That kind of like is my favorite phrase.

What's your favorite phrase?

Oh,

honestly, I do actually think my favorite phrase is the call is coming from inside the house.

Yeah.

I'm so bad at on the spot.

Like phrases?

No, on the spot, like questions.

Like even when you were like about Taylor, like what's surprised?

Like I need to think.

Well, then you really shouldn't go on podcasts.

That's literally what the whole premise of a podcast is, right now.

Yeah, that's so true.

I don't know what my favorite phrase is, but I'll circle back.

Maybe that.

Oh, great.

What do you think this guy wants to talk to her about?

Like apologize?

Did she drag him at all in the thing?

No, they didn't say his name.

And honestly, like, now I know his name.

You know, he should have just shut up.

That's so true.

I feel like probably apologize just because in this day and age, like, if he were to not, then that would be an even big, like, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

I just like love Brook Shields now.

Like, I'm just like, I mean, I've always loved her.

She like is so like gorgeous.

She was so extraordinary looking and so natural.

And when you, when you, like, see interviews of her and these disgusting men and like all they're like, is so you're a virgin, huh?

And they're just like asking really creepy, disgusting questions.

It's so crazy that the world used to be that way.

Like, people would watch this and not think anything of it and be like, oh, let's go to bed.

No, I know.

I always see clips of that, even with like Taylor or like Ariana Grande, like Ray Lohan.

Yeah.

And like people would just ask like random, like such

invasive questions and I'm like in what world and by the way it wouldn't just be men it would be everyone yeah yeah I just love Brookshield like I'm wishing her the best same is she like married and like happy

so she was married to Andre Agassiz the tennis player you know what's so so so sorry you know what's so weird is that I recently before this even came out she came up because I think she was at the Vanity Fair Oscar party and I was like what's she even up to so I went on a whole deep dive on Brooke Shield and I did know that she was married and like that's like kind of an iconic like yeah except he was like really crazy and like abusive and he literally she filmed you know the episode of Friends where she's in that she's in that she plays an obsessed fan of Joey's?

Yeah.

So in one of the scenes, she has to lick his hand and Andre was there and when she got off set, he wasn't in the dressing room.

He had stormed out, ran home and smashed every single one of his Wimbledon U.S.

Open, all these trophies because he was so embarrassed.

People are not okay.

So he was like, her mom was very controlling and then she like went to a controlling marriage with Andre Alphagus.

She like is like normal.

I know.

She ended up meeting someone who works in the industry.

I'm not sure.

I forget where they met, but he's not famous.

He's like more of like a producer.

And they're still married to this day.

Amazing.

And they have two kids together.

And when they were telling the story, I didn't know her background.

And I was really hoping.

I'm like, please, I hope this is the guy who's with the father of their girl, the piano.

And they were all having family dinner at the end of the documentary.

And she seems like really stable.

And she started a business and a blog.

And I'm just so happy for her.

Like, I'm really, I wish her the best.

Like, truly.

Okay, fourth story.

I'm going to move so slow today.

Sorry.

Lily Reinhardt is a new man shut up yeah and she's passionately kissing her new beau tick tock star jack martin now i read this article and page six is so motherfucking shady and i chose it because i'm like oh margo do you know tick tock star jack martin i've never heard of tick tock star jack martin okay and here they bury the lead a little bit let me find the actual

martin who stars in the new nbc show la brea like he's not a tick tock star he's an actor why would they say tick tock star in the headline Does he have a lot of followers?

I don't know.

I just thought it was really fucking weird.

He's 24, she's 26, and they keep calling him TikTok star.

Paparazzi caught them making out outside LAX airport.

She was leaving, and they were like passionately saying goodbye to each other.

And he looks, he's very handsome.

Okay.

I don't know where she was going.

And I don't know.

It's very exciting.

The article says that he looks a lot like Cole Sprouse.

He doesn't.

He's actually much cuter.

Actually.

He actually really does look like Cole Sprouse.

Wait, he looks so familiar.

Pull up an actual photo of him.

If he's who I think he is, he's so cute.

Who do you think think he is?

No, just like the face.

I feel like I've seen him before.

He actually might be a TikTok star.

Jack Martin

images.

I'm sorry, I'm being slow with the iPad today.

I have a lot going on.

It's okay.

Oh, he kind of does look familiar.

Oh my God, it does.

He's so cute.

Wait, let me pull up his picture.

He's like hot or cold.

What does he do on TikTok?

No idea.

Maybe, I don't know where I've seen him.

Maybe I've seen a show of him, but I have seen him before.

He's 800,000 TikTok followers.

Okay.

But I can tell you for certain, I have, oh, I've seen this guy.

Turn.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've seen him.

He is a TikTok star.

He is a TikToker.

Okay, but he's also an actor, which is like an impactful.

I feel like he's actually maybe more of a TikTok star than an actor, actually.

Yeah,

I wouldn't.

I would.

Okay, I was wrong.

It happens all the time.

So she has a new man.

And like, I don't really care, but there was a time where I was obsessed.

I was thinking about Afterdale last night.

Oh, God.

Margo and I, for those who are new here, we used to host with Jackie and Ben a Riverdale after show.

The first one, two, and maybe three seasons of Riverdale were so good.

I stand up.

culturally impactful.

Like, everyone was watching week to week.

It was so crazy.

We were obsessed.

Those guys got so famous.

Like, and now they're still famous, but like, nobody cares.

Nobody cares.

And I'm curious, this is the final season of the show.

No one's watching anymore, but like, where did they go?

He's got like gargoyles and ghouls.

And it was Dungeons and Dragons.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

But where do they go from here, counts?

Like, well, I think 20 million followers.

Yeah.

But also, what I will say is that the show hasn't stopped them from taking on other jobs.

Like, Camilla Mendes is in, like, a different Netflix movie, like, every day.

That very problematic Netflix movie.

Did you ever see it?

Which, Do Revenge?

Do Revenge with Maya Hawk.

No, I didn't watch it.

It was extremely anti-Semitic.

I don't know if you know that.

Oh, I didn't.

Yeah.

We did a whole episode on it.

I can't get into it.

It was too houring.

Okay.

So I feel like they all take on so many different projects.

So I feel like they'll just continue to do that.

Like, they must be doing fine.

And maybe one of them will take on a project that's like an Oscar winning.

Yeah.

But besides, KJ Appa is a dad.

He's not really in, which is, it's always like the star that doesn't like, you know what I mean?

Like, I feel like it's always like in like these shows, it's like this, like, main character.

Like, Archie's obviously, like, Archie in like Archie comics, like, whatever.

And he, like, I don't really think has done like any other projects besides Riverdale.

Like, very much stays in his own thing.

All of them, except for Cami Mendez.

No, Lily Reinhart does a bunch.

She, like, executive produces a bunch of stuff.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Cole Sprouse.

Whatever I think of Lily Reinhart, maybe it's just like, I don't know if this is true.

I just feel like she's like always complaining about something.

She is always complaining about something.

It's like starting drama.

She was like, she was so true.

She's like spoke out

against kim at the met gala oh yeah she's very like body positive but like it's not very body positive to like be negative about someone's body just because they're like skinny right you know 100 no she is always complaining about something um yeah so now i just kind of think of her as like a whiny woman like i know that's bad by the way she's like always whining about some shit she's like also always like on her story i mean i unfollowed her actually because like i couldn't on her soapbox yes on her soapbox with like black background white text like going off about something yeah i find it annoying yeah um but i don't know and like madeline Madeline Petch, remember when she was like a YouTuber?

Yeah,

yeah, I thought that was interesting.

That was like the shit.

I thought it was smart.

Shea Mitchell.

It was literally the Shea Mitchell route.

Jackie, like, it's so tired of hearing me talk about this, but you know what?

I've been talking about it with you.

Yeah.

What do you, who do you think is the most successful Pretty Little Liar star now?

Like, dollars-wise?

Just everything.

Because if it's dollars-wise, it's obviously Shea Mitchell.

Fame.

Because base, like, yes, fame.

Fame,

fame.

Because, like, Shea Mitchell is, like, kind of in the, like.

She's digital.

She's like an influencer.

Yeah, she's like revolve like she's like revolve top tier.

Yeah, but she like makes the money of a celebrity as an influencer and her job is very much influencing.

Which is kind of ideal.

So would you say like Lucy Hale?

Lucy Hale is like such a recognizable face.

I wouldn't say it's Train Belisario and I wouldn't say it's Ashley Benson.

No, it could have been Ashley Benson.

Yeah, but she's just like low-key.

Yeah.

So I would say it's between Lucy and Shay.

All I'm saying, I just like would love to know like if someone like who's bored and like wants to go do an interview on the street, like if you could just like hold up both pictures and like just who has the most recognizability rec recognition, that I'd love to know.

My whole point in bringing this up is, like, I do find it, I will find it.

I hate pinning women against women.

Yeah, that's literally all I do here.

Clearly, you never watch a show.

I don't support women.

I am just curious to see like how they all shake out after this.

Riverdale.

It's a very interesting case study for me.

Same because also I feel like it was the first big show that truly took over the world in a really long time, like from like gossip girl era.

And now we've had so many of those sh shows since, like, Outer Banks and Euphoria.

But like Riodale was first.

Yeah.

So this is the first one that's ending.

Yeah.

So

it's ending on like a flop.

It should have ended three years ago.

Well, it should have ended.

They just should have never taken the show in the direction that they did.

Yeah, that too.

But yeah, everything good must come to an end.

Yeah.

And the timing is so important.

Yeah.

It should have ended.

Yeah.

The fact that it's still on is just like shocking.

It's the craziest thing to me.

That's how I feel.

Like, I cannot believe there are still people who get up and watch A Bachelor.

Same.

It's insane to me.

Insane.

Oh, God.

she sneezed on it.

It's true.

Yeah.

All right, our fifth and final story, before we get into Deer Toasters, is a little bit more Taylor Swift news because John Mayer is like talking about it.

No, he's not.

Where?

At a concert.

I saw a clip of it on social media and I wanted to make it a story and I totally forgot.

So John Mayer reveals his new thoughts about his song Paper Doll, which is, of course, rumored to be about Taylor Swift.

So John Mayer has gained some clarity on one of his songs.

The singer revisited his 2013 track, Paper Doll, during a concert at the Golden One Center in Sacramento, California.

As seen in a video circulating on social media, John mused as he strummed the opening chords of his guitar.

He said, I wonder if people don't like this song because it sounds a little pissed off.

I don't really like pissed off as a song, he continued.

There's something about it that's a little bitchy.

The 45-year-old tries, quote, not to give bitchiness in his music.

He acknowledged that it happens sometimes and called out the song for what he described as sarcastic bitch vibes.

John added, I guess it is sort of a little bit ble.

What?

So it's like he's finally talking about it, and I have no idea what he's saying.

You have to, I like, don't understand.

I need a translation.

What does this mean?

Like, and by the way, I don't even think that's a good idea.

Also, by the way, like, you wrote the song and you just admitted it is a little bitchy.

And it's not good.

Like, but I don't feel like it's a song that people terribly dislike.

It was, you know, when you compare, so for anyone who needs a little bit of background, Taylor, when she was 19, dated John Mayer very briefly, and he did not treat her well.

He was very much in his fuckboy era and she was in her, I'm new to this virginal era.

Marry me.

And she um wrote a song called dear john and it's a real scathing

retelling of their time together i don't really feel like she was like attacking him i feel like it was like her song wasn't caddy no it was just very it was

truthful it was truthful and like it was a story about like young innocence and borderline trauma that's what it was And years later, literally nobody, nobody, nobody, John Mayer, he released a song called Paper Doll.

And the only only real clue that it was about Taylor is the line, Cause you're like 22 girls in one,

and none of them know what they're running from.

Of course, 22 is Taylor's thing.

That's literally the only proof.

That's the only proof.

And his song is a little mean because not only is it like 10 years later, why the fuck did you have to bring that up?

Yeah, literally.

Two, it is bitchy.

It's like very much, you're not going to talk about the substance of the relationship.

You're just going to talk about like digs at her.

Right.

But writing a song about someone is writing a song and you know when taylor does it she has to be okay with other people doing it honestly

and i'm sure that she is i don't think she cared about paper doll mostly because it wasn't this like big hit right imagine like how many streams do you think dear john has 500 million yeah that's like look it up speaking of i wanted to talk about the rumor that taylor was shooting a music video in Liverpool this past weekend and Taylor Lautner was in it.

I just want to say when you Google Paper Doll on Spotify, Paper Doll comes up and then Dear John comes up right underneath.

I feel like that makes sense.

How do you see how many streams?

I never know.

Unless it's like in the top five.

Oh, if you go to the album.

Okay, okay.

And you might not be able to pull it up on your phone.

Of course not, because why would they make anything easy for me?

What album was it?

It was Paradise Valley, I think.

Paper Doll.

Oh, it doesn't say.

Yeah.

Whatever.

All I'm saying is like competition-wise, Taylor's song is bigger.

So my question is, conspiracy theory.

Can you just call Taylor up?

Lautner, Taylor Lautner.

I actually could, but if I got an answer, I couldn't share it with you.

I mean, you, I could.

Yeah.

But the audience, no.

And that's, I'm limited in my power here.

Yeah, I understand.

So Taylor

Swift, there's like a rogue paparazzi picture going around of her filming a music video in Liverpool.

It's clearly her.

She's like running out of, she has something.

Something with like the art in her hand.

Yeah.

And then there's another photo of people claiming.

Taylor Lautner and Joey King.

And Joey King.

And people are thinking it's a speak now music video because Joey King wasn't mean.

Yeah.

I would love that.

And it is believable, especially because of all the guys Taylor has dated.

I think the, not, I think I know, the only person she's ever really like wrote an extremely complimentary, nice song about and totally took the blame for everything that happened in their relationship is Taylor Laudner.

Like he came out looking great, amazing.

And also, like, I feel like they're friends.

I feel like they're maybe not friends, but they're definitely on good terms.

Yeah.

And it would be great for him.

It would be great for her.

I could totally, like, it's, there's so many crazy Taylor conspiracy theories out there, and I could definitely see this one being true.

I just wanted to bring that up.

Yeah, no, I

I feel like I probably couldn't call Taylor Lautner up.

Ben could.

They're like really close.

And I feel like Taylor Lautner might not even say with Taylor, with Taylor Swift, you have to be very tight-lipped.

I feel like he wouldn't even say.

By the way, I agree because he probably wants to stay in that circle.

Yeah, of course I would.

Hello.

Yeah.

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Hello, Jackson Claude.

Sorry, it's okay.

Longtime listener, first time writer, I wanted to reach out and get your opinion on a sticky situation that occurred with my boyfriend.

I'm 24 and I've been dating my boyfriend for around six months now.

He's always expressed how he wants to marry me and spend his life with me.

About a month ago, I got COVID and I was stuck in my apartment for a week quarantining.

During this time, he went out with his friends just like any other Saturday and was out till 6 a.m.

I have his location and I noticed he was somewhere I didn't recognize, but honestly, I didn't think much of it because he's never given me a reason to think he would do anything to risk our relationship.

But I just found out that that night he went with one of his friends to get a happy ending massage.

He didn't think it was a big deal because it was just a business transaction, quote, and there were no feelings attached.

He had gotten them before we were together and he always claimed that he didn't need to go anymore because he had me.

I was slash M extremely upset over this because it feels like cheating having someone else touch him like that and I know he wouldn't be happy if I did it.

Also, why would he have to go out to pay money to do something like that the one weekend I'm sick and can't see him?

What would you you do if you were me?

All opinions and advice appreciated.

That's so true.

Like, no, no, no.

Imagine she did that.

Imagine.

Imagine she did that.

No, this is like in no way, shape, or form, okay?

And I feel like he's going to be like, I'm sorry, you couldn't hold yours.

She's saying one hold for one fucking week.

Do what you're doing.

Masturbate.

Yeah.

It's like, my God.

I feel like he's going to try and gaslight you into behavior.

Yeah.

It's not cheating.

It's like getting a massage.

Like, you go to the nail salon.

Like, do not let this man gaslight you into saying that this is normal.

Yeah.

Because it's not.

Do you think that this is deal breaker?

Is this something you have to have a conversation like and like set boundaries on?

Like, no.

I didn't even think that people actually got happy endings.

No, I don't think that

they did that either, but like maybe in different parts of the country.

Maybe.

Like,

it's yes, it's a deal breaker for me.

Yeah, it would be for me, but I could also see how it wouldn't be.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, but also, if somebody I was in a relationship with did that, to me, it's, it's,

it tells me more about you than just the fact that you went and got a happy ending.

Exactly.

I would start looking at this person differently.

Like, that is prostitution.

Like, I'm sorry.

So, I would look at you differently for having done that, given the fact that, like, we are in a relationship and you are sexually active and you're not at this desert where you just need someone to jerk you off.

Like, I also just think that if I was with someone and, like, obsessed with them and like, whatever, and then I find out that they did that, like, immediate ick.

Yeah.

Immediate ick.

Like, I no longer like you.

Like, I no longer am attracted to you.

I no longer have feelings for you.

Like I, we are, we're not, I don't like you.

I'm fully in agreement.

So I do think this is a deal breaker.

I don't know if people are going to say that, Claudia, that's crazy.

Like I, I think this is absolutely a deal breaker.

And also the way he's handling it is very ghastly.

I didn't tell you.

You said you found out.

Right.

Right.

And I thought when she was writing it at first at six in the morning.

Right.

I thought when she was writing it at first, she was like going to be mad that her boyfriend was like out while she was like sick with COVID.

It's like, girl, I'll get a grip.

Like you can go out.

Totally, totally.

And I'm like, oh, this girl's crazy.

But then I kept reading.

And I was like, like, no, she's not.

I'm sorry.

I judged you.

I judged you.

I did before I knew you.

I think you are 100% justified in being upset.

Do not let him steamroll over you.

Like, and honestly, if you want to break up with him, you have my full support.

Me too.

But if you don't want to break up with him and you want to set a boundary and see if he, you know, if you want to get him another shot, I'm okay with that too.

Meaning like, by no means is this okay.

But I would also just remember, like, this person made a choice to do that.

And like, what does that say about them?

Just start looking at him a little bit.

Like through a different lens.

Yeah.

All right, next up.

Dear Jackson Claude, last week my husband went on a work trip.

He doesn't travel often, and it was just him and a young female coworker traveling together, so I got a little nervous.

Before the trip, he was paying special attention to his appearance, whitening his teeth, applying sunless tan, etc.

A sunless tan?

Yeah, that's a little metro.

Yeah.

During this trip, he was, oh no, sorry, during the trip, there was one night I didn't hear from him, and when I mentioned it, he apologized and said that he thought I went to bed.

Here's the weird part.

On the way home, he missed his connection because him and his coworker were grabbing a drink and, quote, lost track of time.

They rerouted to another city, but missed their last flight home because there were storms.

His coworker had a family friend that lives about 20 minutes from the airport and they ended up staying with her.

I said that made me uncomfortable, and he said they didn't have any options because they wouldn't be reimbursed for a hotel.

They slept in separate bedrooms, but something isn't sitting right with me.

Please help.

Somebody should not be sitting right with you.

This is fucking weird.

I mean, honestly, the latter half maybe wouldn't have concerned me so much.

Like, oh, we grabbed a drink and missed the flight, and I made to stay at her friend's house.

The sunless tantance

is what did it for me.

What man sunless tans for a work trip?

When I go on work trips i literally look like duty like a rat like a rat no but like you can understand like getting caught up in like a workplace it's exciting if like there's someone at work that you like and like you go on a trip together it's literally my dream no i know like i definitely could see this being real like this is definitely not a delusion i just want to validate delusional also sunless tan i would like to know yeah the whitening of the team yeah i want to know a little bit more about the woman like also because like if she's like younger and he's like older is she like ew like get away she's not fucking interested or is it like she does she have a boyfriend do you know what i mean like Like, I would just like to know a little bit more about her.

We need you to be like a little bit like realistic.

Like, is your man like a catch?

Is this girl like desperate?

Like, we need kind of kind of mean like characteristics.

Yes.

But I would say overall, my advice to you is that you are 100%.

We can't accuse him of anything without, like, I think it's more like keep your eye out.

You need more concrete proof, and I think it's time to snoop.

Yeah.

Like, he's given you more than enough reason to snoop.

Yeah.

Jackie's very anti-snoop, so I can, like, get away with saying this, but, like, this is a time to snoop.

Yeah, she is anti-snoop.

Yeah, she's like, everyone's entitled to privacy, and like, everybody's entitled to privacy.

She's right, but I think certain situations require a snoop, and this is it.

I mean, Ariana

only found out about Tom because she snooped.

Oh, by the way, yeah, I meant to ask that.

That's how she found out.

Yeah, so it was like a month ago.

Oh, and had the news break.

So a month ago, they were at

one of his dumbass concerts for his band, and his phone either fell while he was on stage or she went through his phone on stage and saw like sexual videos, FaceTime screenshots, like really.

And she told everyone.

And it came out almost immediately, maybe 24 hours later.

Got it.

So with this girl, you're not crazy.

I think hashtag time to snoop.

Yep.

There's never been a better time to start snooping.

Our third and final deer toasters is kind of like making me nauseous.

No.

Hey, Jackson Claude, my mother-in-law loves to cook, and she's a great cook.

She loves to host my husband, my brother-in-law, his family, yada, yada.

But there's a big problem, though, and it's been going on far too long.

Oh, gosh.

She's a finger licker.

Ew.

And it's not just like a little lick here and there, full-blown, all fingers in her mouth.

She sucks.

And it's not just limited to when she's preparing and cooking the food.

She also licks her fingers when we pass the food around the table, which is family style, so it gets on all the shared serving utensils.

She even makes sucking noises when she licks her fingers at the dinner table.

I'm so grossed out by it to the point where I completely lose my appetite.

It's not only disgusting, but it's completely unsanitary.

My husband seems fairly unbothered by it because, of course, he's been exposed to this his entire life.

How do I address this without offending her and being pegged as a snobby daughter-in-law?

Or do I just get over it and deal with it?

Please help a not-so-finger-licking good toaster.

You have to have your husband say something to the mom.

No, honestly.

She can't say anything.

I don't think, like, I think this is a situation like you just have to live with, but like, never, you can't eat the food.

Wait, no, I highly disagree.

Like, I really think that the husband can be like, listen, like, I know this is how we grew up, but like, other people didn't.

It's kind of gross.

No, it's so obvious that it's going to be coming from his wife.

But, like, fine.

Maybe she'll, like, I don't know, have, like, be a little embarrassed.

No, like it's fucking rude.

Like she's cooking for everyone.

Like you can't say anything.

Like you're in her house.

She's like, you'll just eat when you get, eat before you get there and push things around your plate.

Like you can't, I'm sorry, you can't, like, I'm with you.

This is disgusting and she should be stopped.

But, you know, you have to have respect for your mother-in-law.

She's the one hosting.

Like, I'm sorry.

Is there a father-in-law?

Because can the husband say something to the dad who can then say something to the mom?

Honestly, I feel like no, because he would have been mentioned.

He would have been mentioned.

I'm sorry.

It's like to lick your fingers.

This reminds me

an episode of Shadows of Sunset that was probably one of my favorite.

They're having like a friend's giving, and Mercedes, who's my fucking queen, is making plates for everyone.

And you're there, Persian.

It's all very family-style.

Baby June, you know?

And she's making plates for everyone.

And she's taking, she serves with her hands.

Like, she, and everyone is talking about how disgusting it is, like, in their confessionals, and she just doesn't care.

She's serving everyone with their hands.

Oh, string bead?

String bead.

Oh, my God.

It is the funniest episode of reality TV of all time.

And it reminds me so much of this because, like, it is really disgusting.

Yeah, of course.

But I'm sorry.

sorry i don't think you can say anything i think this is just something you have to live with it's so rude if you do say something and you're totally justified but it's just it comes off rude yeah i guess like this woman should be more self-aware and it really is fucking disgusting and i'm not in any way excusing her behavior but i want you to navigate this and not get in trouble yeah i don't think you can say anything i think it'll be so obvious that it's coming from you what like your husband really fucking cares that his mom licked her finger like moms gave birth to you like so true it's not a big deal yeah but now they're strangers there's not strangers, but non-blood relatives.

And like, is everyone talking about it?

Like, is your brother-in-law?

Like, do you know what I mean?

It seems like it's a her thing.

Yeah.

I'm really wishing you the best.

That's a tough, that's a toughie.

You're just going to have to, like, seriously shut up and just keep, keep your mouth shut, literally.

But also, you know what Tuck is that the food is good, she said.

Oh, you know, I'm sorry.

You'll get McDonald's on the way home.

Like, some things are just not worth

not worth getting.

Introducing foreign bodies into your no, not only that, I also don't think some conversations are not worth having.

Like, I think you'll, you might end up with more

cirrus and

more problems and stress than a solution here.

That's just what I think.

But thank you for being vulnerable and writing.

And thank you to everyone who was vulnerable and wrote in.

Dear toasters at gmail.com.

If your submission hasn't been read yet, either it's boring and there's nothing we can do about that, or it's simply too long.

So maybe rewrite it.

Just give us a need-to-know facts.

We can't read a whole number.

See, like, listen, the ones we just read, nice and quick.

Yeah, that was nice and nice and quick.

So just keep that in mind.

Dear Toasters at gmail.com.

Margo, it's been an absolute pleasure.

Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you so much for having me.

If you're looking for more Margo content, you can no longer listen to her podcast because she quit.

I'm a quitter.

And

where can they follow you on Instagram?

At Margosray, M-A-R-G-O-S-H-R-Y.

Same for TikTok.

Same for TikTok.

Also on YouTube.

I downloaded Lemonade.

I haven't posted on there yet.

Oh, I downloaded it too and then immediately deleted it.

I'm too old for this show.

But yeah, and then also listen to the Redheads.

Yeah, Margot's on the Redheads once a month.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for having me.

It's a pleasure.

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