Buck Convention: Wednesday, October 26th, 2022

Good morning, Millennials.

Welcome back to the toast.

Happy Wednesday.

It is hump day.

So very appropriately, we are sitting here with Bryce, Strice, Jackson, Claude.

The four of us are going to be humping all throughout the day.

I hope your day looks something like that, honestly.

The four of us are back together.

It's been, I can't even tell you how long since both Bryce and Strice were on camera with the two of us, and the gang is back together.

Nature is healed.

Nature is healed.

Maybe that's a really good segue to one of the things we wanted to talk about at the beginning of today's episode.

Healed.

Healed.

Come on.

Jackie.

Healed.

Healed.

Healed.

Healed.

I don't know.

Yourselves.

Yourselves.

Oh, wow.

We're going to just jump right back.

Well, I thought it was like a mutual nod.

It was a...

far-reaching segue, but I appreciate the segue.

I actually don't think it was far-reaching at all.

Like, I was shocked you didn't know what I was talking about.

Yeah, sorry.

I really didn't know.

We will address that.

Let's just finish with our introduction before we get into the controversy.

Yeah.

Another day, another controversy.

Happy Wednesday.

We have a great show for you today because we have your toasters.

As stated, we will be addressing Unburden Yourselves.

We will.

We will be addressing the controversy.

Three.

We watched the Tell Me Lies finale amazing finale last night.

And like, I'm so glad that we did because I have so many thoughts.

Yeah.

I can't believe that it's not a limited series i am like annoyed and that we're waiting for season two to be green lit yes giving society yeah i think i actually have to read the book because because you're so curious because i'm so curious for we dropped an amazing patreon episode last night so late last night claude and i came to the studio we snuck on up here with our little halloween candy it was toast after dark it was toast after dark even the lighting's different were no makeup it was frightening we posted video and audio and it was the part two of the general q a which was questions for me and it was just a grand old time.

Yeah.

And if you're not already a patron, let me tell you what we have on offer for you this month, plus everything else we've done over the last four years, which includes our highlights, like the great chili cook-off, Jackie learning how to drive, the vlog, the Mook Bong vlog.

Bong vlog, like every time we took a trip, stagecoach, Coachella, it's all there.

Every podcast we've answered really every question.

But this month we had Claudia interviewing me, which was last night.

Last week, I interviewed Claudia with all the questions that you guys have for her.

We had our Taylor Swift cookies attempt, which was great.

The first episode this month was, I don't know,

was it studying for the permit?

For the permit test?

Was it?

I think so.

We're getting Jackie ready to get her license.

Like we're really covering all of our bases on Patreon.

And if you are a Patreon member, you also get access to the pre-sale for my shows, which today we launched two shows in New York that we're going to be filming for a special and a show in Delaware that.

only Patreon girlies get access to.

So separately a show in Delaware.

And separately a show in Delaware.

Yeah.

The one in Delaware is not not being taped.

I was like trying to really find a way to announce all three shows without making it seem like the one in Delaware was being taped.

And no matter how many ways I typed it, like it was still confusing.

It's still misleading.

So let me just say right now, like Delaware is going to be amazing and it will not be recorded.

But that's not a reason not to go.

I couldn't agree more.

Yeah.

So there's really no reason that you shouldn't join Patreon.

It's just a great time for the patrons.

Plus, Claudia and I are going to bang some content while she's here.

Some really fun episodes for the month of November.

So

yeah, patreon.com slash the toast.

Now let's dive into the controversy.

So we're going on quite a few Mondays where we have not done our, you know, signature segment, Unburden Yourselves.

And a lot of people after this week's episode were like writing in the comments and all these things.

There's Bookers.

There had been YouTube comments.

Did I miss something?

What happened to Unburden?

And yes, you are not.

You haven't missed anything.

Jackie and I haven't done it in a few weeks.

At first, it was because Mondays recently became like such long episodes for us.

We had House of the Dragon recap and then like just the weekend recap and we would have been going on like two hour episodes.

And actually our memory card really can only sustain a 90 minute episode.

That is the longest we can do daily.

And I think that's like, that's enough, you know?

Yeah.

So that was part of the reason.

And I think also Jackie and I were feeling like a little uninspired by the segment.

I feel like you were because you felt like it was very similar to Deer Toasters.

But I like Unburden Yourselves.

I don't think Unburden Yourselves is over.

I just think we went on hiatus because the last few Mondays were really jam-packed.

And then we didn't even realize we weren't doing it and neither of us missed it.

But now that I'm seeing that there's so much fanfare for it, I guess this has been a really great learning moment because I didn't realize how much you guys loved it.

And now with everyone shouting out for it, it makes me feel like I want to do it again.

For me, fundamentally, like there is a fundamental issue with the segment in the sense that it either really is too similar to Deer Toasters or we're just talking about poop, which is fun every couple of weeks, but like once a week, like a 20-minute segment on duty, like it's not that fun.

That's how do we want to be.

But we can curate better the ones that we choose.

We just, we also don't get great submissions.

Like, oh, not you blaming the audience.

No, a lot of the submissions are asking for advice, which is dear toasters.

Yeah.

Or we just feel compelled to give advice.

But I don't think we should give up on unburdening yourselves because it's so great.

It's so fun to say.

And people do need to unburden themselves.

Like, let's get back to what the original intent was, which was to take that burden off of people who like have a

anxiety and a pit after the weekend.

Okay, like, feel free to fill up the inbox, unburdenyourselves at gmail.com.

I'm not willing to let it go either but i do think changes need to be made okay that's just my my take on the situation i don't disagree but i appreciate the outpouring of fanfare and love and support for unburden yourselves and now that house of the dragon is over true we do kind of have the space for it we do have it i think it's perfect timing yes so life is all about timing you guys ain't that the truth ain't that the truth timing is everything

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It's a big week here at the Morning Toast.

It's kind of just like mogul, mogul, mogul.

We're also attempting to drop something else tomorrow that we, it was a really quick turnaround.

Oh, yeah.

It was a little special treat.

So keep your eyes peeled on our Instagram.

Hopefully we'll be able able to announce it today and that we're able to do it in time for tomorrow it was like an idea that we had this week so yeah a little a little something for the mamas it's a little something for the mamas and i'm really excited about that yeah forgot about that good call so again there's like mogul mogul mogul like it's it's exhausting but somebody's got to do it i mean look at these streist brethren they're exhausted they're exhausted i'm so glad to be podcasting with them yet again we do have deer toasters today which really is like one of my favorite things to do it's just interesting to see what goes on in people's lives you know yeah what's my favorite i'm like nosy.

We don't have that many segments.

That's, that was part of the reason why we birthed unburden yourselves.

Yeah.

I guess one of my favorite, my favorite, actually my favorite, it's not a segment, my favorite time of the show is the pre-fast five, like just catching up with Jackson Claude.

You know, I used to tell everyone what I was reading and now I've been deeply

humbled and silenced.

You know, we talked about on last night's Patreon, how I'm feeling about.

all of the commentary about yesterday's episode

and the book talk, even though, of course, after the Patreon, then all the fans came out for me.

um but no it definitely gave me something to think about and we thought about it last night's episode so i'm not gonna have the same conversation again but that is my favorite segment everything that goes down before the fast five a favorite segment of mine is of course kelly's mindless news because it really felt like like it was just this like errant thought i had one time about kelly ripa and then it like came to fruition it turns out like i was right you know like and i one thing about me i love being right it's honestly like better than anything there's better than donuts like there's nothing better than being proved right um and actually it has been a while since we did Kelly's Mindless News because honestly, I just got fatigued by Kelly.

No, and we were adding, like, I just were a part of the problem.

When did our episodes get so long?

Okay.

We were just talking about this offline yesterday.

I love it.

I'm so here for it.

But I feel like we used to be really between like 45 minutes and an hour.

And now we're between an hour and an hour 20.

Yeah.

What's going on?

I think it's because we've like expanded the pre-stories chit chat, like making it about ourselves.

Because at first, I think people really used to tune into the show just to hear like two funny girls' thoughts on other things.

And now like those funny girls have become so beautiful and interesting.

Like I'd actually like to hear about the funny girls themselves as well.

And they can unburden themselves.

Right.

I do think that's like the genesis.

But yes, we are like.

averaging an hour and 15 minutes every single day, which is like so psychotic.

Yeah.

I think everybody, I mean, I know everyone loves it.

And it's not even like we're trying.

It's really

crazy.

It's au naturale.

So today's show is going to be long because we have the fast five, we have tell me lies recap, and we have deer toasters.

And we have the strice and brothers.

So you never know when we're going to just be distracted and overcome with strize love.

With emotion.

When you like say tell me lies, what do you think?

I think of because of you because you always sing tell me lies.

Tell me lies.

I don't even tell me.

I think it's a Fleetwood Mac song that I only know from the Fleetwood Mac episode of Glee.

I think of it all the time because of you.

I'm not thinking of a song that I know.

I think of this tune my sister sings.

Tell me lies.

Are there like songs?

I mean, I know there is for me, but like what songs come to mind that you only know because of Glae?

That are like very well-known classic songs, but you hadn't heard of them because you were a child?

Uh, Bust Your Windows.

Was that an original?

No.

From Glay?

No.

I don't think so.

It was like early episodes.

Bust the Windows Out, Chair.

Mine is, that always comes to mind: is

oh,

right beside that red fire light.

Oh,

you gonna let it all hang out.

Fat bottom girls, you make the rocking world go round.

Very appropriate.

Our fifth and final story today is a lot of chit-chat about the fatphobia Taylor Swift is being, in my opinion, wrongfully accused of.

It's actually not the fifth and final.

I think it's the second or third.

Fifth and final is a TikTok trend that I want to get your thoughts on that I think will spark interesting debate about Gen Z.

Your favorite.

My favorite.

I wonder how Gen Z feels about me.

I think that if they saw you, they'd be obsessed with you.

And then if they listen to the podcast, they would hate you.

No, that's what I mean.

I don't care how they feel about my looks, like, even though that's really nice to you.

No, I think they would be like, oh my god, she's sickening, like unique.

The thing about Gen Z is like they really are looking for like not like your standard state, your typical standard of beauty.

Like you really are like unique looking, like you have porcelain skin, red hair.

I think they would love you.

And you're very naturally beautiful.

You don't wear a ton of makeup.

Like I think they, like from an aesthetic POV, Gen Z would love you.

And then like when they get on here and hear you talking about like how homework is good for them, like they would hate you.

You think that they wouldn't like my POV?

No.

Like not at all.

Really?

And I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think like you like kind of look down on Gen Z and think they're not.

No, I do.

I actually, not at all.

Okay.

My perception of Gen Z

is very high.

Like I feel like Gen Z might save us all.

That's how I feel.

Okay.

Well, maybe now that you've said that, they'll change their minds.

Because I mean, I hadn't really thought about Gen Z.

And I feel like now they just are lumped in with TikTok.

But like, I don't think they're one in the same.

there's overlap the Venn diagram is definitely crisscrossing but I remember I once read an article about Gen Z like a few years ago when people are still trying to define them and the references they shared were you know modern family the the sister not Arielle Winter Ariel Winter like her character she's very like precocious and smart yeah level-headed she thinks her millennial sister is like a big loser and like that was an example they gave of gen z they gave a few like pop culture references and i was like gen z

i like

yet i I like what I see in Gen Z.

Okay, well, maybe we'll clip this and put it on TikTok so that the kids can see that you have high respect for them.

And they always like our TikToks.

That's true.

That's true.

That's so true.

So I'm feeling good about Gen Z.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

Well, that settles that.

But not this trend that I saw.

Okay, well, we'll talk about it in the past five that we can get into whenever you're ready.

Oh, you know, really quick.

I just had like a list of things.

Let me just make sure I check because we said right before we needed to talk about something.

Got it.

Got them all.

Yep, five out of five.

You're done.

I feel like I'm forgetting something, but I guess not.

Tell me lies.

Tell me, sweet little lie.

Yeah, I'll get into the fast dive just because I need to recap.

Tell me lies.

Okay.

So without further a did it, did it do?

Where are you?

Bruno loves his auntie.

Bruno loves his auntie so much.

He's going to be forlorn when you leave.

Honestly, like, he's going to be more upset about your departure than Nolio's.

Yeah, of course.

But like, Nolia is his lady, love, girlfriend.

For sure, but like, I literally like make sure he gets eat, fed, walk.

Like I'm literally his caretaker.

I'm like, I'm already sad for him.

But I'm not going anywhere.

And when I, when I do leave, I am coming back.

Imminently.

Imminently.

Okay, fine.

So without now further ado-da-doo-da-doo about the ado-da-da-da-doo brothers, here are the fast eye stories that you need to know.

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First story, Rihanna has returned to music with a new song for Black Panther Wakanda Forever.

One week after rumors rumors started floating that Rihanna would be coming back to music, it has been officially confirmed.

Marvel Studios announced that a new song from Rihanna would be out this Friday as part of the Black Panther Wakanda Forever soundtrack.

The tweet simply included the Looking Eyes emoji and the video was simply an R with October 28, 2022.

This is obviously very exciting for everyone who's like obsessed with Rihanna's music.

I love Rihanna's music.

I actually think her last album, Anti, which was 400 years ago, is like truly a work of art that just gets better and better and better.

However, I have not been waiting with bated breath for Rihanna's music.

And I feel like I've said this before, like I, I love the mogul era that she's in, like Savage X, Fenty, Fenty Beauty.

Like I feel satiated by Rihanna.

So of course I'm going to listen and enjoy, but I'm not like, finally, like I feel like a lot of people are.

I've been okay without music from Rihanna.

I've been okay just because it's not what she wants to be doing.

So I'm going to be okay with that.

But I think there is something missing in

the landscape and that's Rihanna.

And so if she wants wants to come back to us I think it's best for everyone on the count of three let's say the best Rihanna song okay oh

oh there's so many

I have to go to Spotify okay never mind I did then I just wanted to say then you just wanted to say yours okay bitch better have my money oh so because you know what a bitch better have my fucking money so good and like the way she just like like obviously when I say it it doesn't like feel like like cool but like when Rihanna says it's like no no seriously a bitch better have her fucking money you know yeah like I'm like, if I'm that bitch, I'm quaking, you know?

Cause she's so

sickening.

Sickening.

I'm, I'm really thrilled.

That really is such a good song.

Was that on?

That was like part of, like, in my opinion, her musical peak, which was her most recent album.

Was that song on the most recent album or was it just a single, like a DJ Khaled moment?

I remember it as a single, but maybe it was part of a larger album.

I feel like it was part of the album because she was like doing a lot of music videos at the time.

Oh my god, actually.

I feel like her musical peak, not like, I feel like she, there is no peak.

Like she's kept ascending she's still at the top and like we're waiting to hear what's next you know it's like a really close runner-up to the best song

four five seconds from wildling honestly that song was a cool oh it's kanye

okay i'm still gonna listen to it that song is so good oh how do you feel about still listening to his music

To be honest, I really haven't been like into Kanye's music for like quite some time.

So like I'm not like

honestly though, the only album from Kanye that, like, I, I love is The Life of Pablo.

Um, I know, like, his work before that is some of like the most critically acclaimed.

Honestly, I don't really fuck with it.

And then the work after, like, the Christ stuff, like, I was into it for like a second, but like, honestly, like, I never listened to it.

I don't think I ever listened to like that album in full.

The only album that, like, I really love was T-Lop, The Life of Pablo.

But even then, like, I don't really listen to it that much.

Every now and then, I'll remember the song Ultra Light Beam and then I'll sing it.

So, like, I think I'll still do that.

Yeah.

It obviously won't hit the same, but Four or Five Seconds

is such a sickening, unbelievable song.

I think it's one one of the best songs released in our generation like it's so different you know and the music video was gorgeous i will be still fucking with that song i'm sorry and you know what i can yeah you can you can do whatever you want honestly like me being forced to stop doing the things i enjoy that's anti-semitic yeah no and then you're just suffering more right no people suffer haven't my people suffered enough but the problem for me is like on principle um

I sure if I wanted to listen to a Kanye song, I would listen to a Kanye song, but it would just like remind me.

But you can't really enjoy it.

And I would just be like thinking about like global anti-Semitism.

I just feel sick to my stomach.

Like I'm just trying to enjoy my workout or something, you know?

Like, I'm not trying to, that's how I feel about like that.

So it's not necessarily like the crime itself that's like, oh, I'm never

gonna be the music.

It's the feeling and like the reminder of the issues.

And it's like, I don't want to be reminded of the issues right now.

When I'm just trying to bop to this bottom.

I'm just trying to glam myself for a fun night out.

Okay, like, but you know what?

For me, like the best song of the part of the four or five seconds, like is Rihanna's part.

So like maybe I just won't listen to the first verse, which is Kanye.

We woke up being up.

But if you're cutting it out then you're like reminding yourself again

you know i just feel like you don't want to find a solution like for real like you're yucking all of my ums am i yeah i said do whatever you want no you said well here's the problem with you still listening to it here's a problem with you cutting it out i didn't say the problem with you still listening to it i said the problem for me no and by the way i'd probably have the same experience but like whatever yeah

but i could still i'm still woman enough to admit that four or five seconds is the greatest song of all time yeah sure yeah i don't know about like of all time of the last like 15 years the climb is out there but uh oh sorry toast is out there

silly me but yeah no i don't it's it's good stuff anyway what was the story rihanna friday oh yeah okay

but i just want to say i'm sure the song will be amazing and it also has to be it has to be there's so much pressure um it's just been really like a sickening kind of week for music

We've got Rihanna, we've got Taylor.

Megan Trainor's new album came out.

So did Carly Ray Jepsons, and they both came out the same night as Taylor Swift's, which just kind of sucks.

Like two pop girls who I think are both like super underrated.

Megan Traynor is in like this comeback era and it's like mostly from TikTok.

And the music, I was telling you about this when we were in your kitchen, the music she's been releasing is so fire.

It's so good.

She's really like a very talented songwriter.

She is.

And I love this comeback era for her.

And like, I do wish she chose a different date because we'd all be talking about her album more.

Yeah.

And then Carly Ray Jepson.

There's actually like the, what do they call themselves?

I think they, I saw, i might be wrong about this i saw something on tick tock that the carly ray jepson fans call themselves ray r-a-e racists no like maybe it was one person making a joke i'm like is that what the fandom calls themselves i thought it was extremely toxic

fandom name

okay

What does Carly Ray Jepson call her fans?

Jepsies.

Okay.

Well, somebody called themselves a Ray Ray cyst, which I thought was very unique.

However, she also released her album and there's like a huge movement like to get Carly D.

Ray Jepson the respect she so rightly deserves.

And she was overshadowed, overshadowed by Taylor Swift, but she has a song going viral and I'm really happy for her.

What happened was we reached the moon.

But lost in space, I think we got there all too soon.

I'm coming back for you, baby.

I'm coming back for you.

And now people are really kind of opening themselves up to the world of Carly Rae.

Great.

I'm happy for them.

But like, welcome to 2012.

Right.

Like, if you, um, and you missed her previous albums, which were Fire Flame, so back it up.

Listen to those.

Cut to the Feeling, like, is one of the best songs of all time.

Yeah.

No, but even her first album,

all those songs are amazing.

Yeah.

Is that I really, really, really, really?

That's a great album and that song's annoying.

Beyond.

Yeah.

It's always the annoying ones that they that go viral yeah hello call me maybe uh no that's actually a really good song sonically sonically it became annoying because everyone kept playing it but even if you heard it today like you couldn't help but tap your foot yeah um but i'm also not someone who's like it's like i knew you were trouble that's like what yeah yeah that's like sonically a good song but like if i hear it i have to jump off a bridge you know

yeah are you ready for our next story I really am.

James Corden has addressed Balthazar Gate on his show, saying his wife's food allergy was the reason for his rude comment at the New York City restaurant.

So she's allergic to yellows of eggs.

Whites of eggs.

But not the yellows.

But not the yellows.

In his monologue, sure, James.

On the late late show, he alleged that his wife was given food she was allergic to, and he recounted the series of events.

He said, quote, so we sit down, we ordered, and my wife explained that she has a serious food allergy.

So when everybody's meals came, my wife was given the food that she was allergic to, but she hadn't taken a bite of it or anything.

No worries.

We sent it back.

All was good.

When it came back wrong more than once, he said, quote, in the heat of the moment, I made a sarcastic rude comment about cooking it myself.

It is a comment I deeply regret.

I understand the difficulties of being a server.

I work shifts at restaurants for years.

I have such respect and I value anyone that does such a job.

And the team at that restaurant are so great.

That's why I love it there.

He thought the matter was over after the staff brought out champagne as an apology.

He said, I've been walking around thinking that I hadn't done anything wrong, right?

But the truth is I made a rude comment and it was wrong.

It was an unnecessary comment.

It was ungracious to the server.

It's also an unnecessary comment coming from like a different, like he's in the position of power, not only because he's the customer, but because he's like deeply famous.

And one thing about me is like in the last week, I've become extremely untrustworthy of James Corden.

Like I'm just like not buying anything he says.

Really?

I feel like that most.

previous interview he did where he was like really dismissive of the whole thing, but now he's addressing it.

Like he's been a little all over the place.

And I just feel like we don't know the real James Corden.

Well, okay, yes, but what part of this do you think he's lying about because if he tells anything untrue you know keith mcnally is going to take it to instagram i want a doctor to tell me if it's possible to be allergic to yoke to be allergic to egg white but not yoke yes google doesn't count so no no no i saw like it is possible and that and and that's why for some reason um some people can't get certain vaccines there's something about like this egg allergy oh okay maybe it is real i think it's a real thing Can you be allergic to egg white only?

Allergy to egg whites is most common, even though both yolks and whites can contain proteins that cause allergies.

Allergy to egg whites is most common.

Okay.

Well, gets that.

I don't think at this stage at this point, and he's finally addressing it, I don't think he would tell a lie.

Okay, but also like he might put on a mask.

I think that this is the situation where it's like my truth versus your truth, because maybe that is how James Corden saw it.

And like, I can imagine like him thinking he made like a like a offhand remark was actually really fucking rude yeah no I think some people have no self-awareness doesn't even realize like he's James Corden this person is like

there's a power and balance and

I could see how he like said something snarky that came off much ruder than he intended

And now we're in this situation.

I, but I like, I think that this version of events like really genuinely might be, might be his truth.

But what version what about what he's saying doesn't line up with what Keith said?

The sequence of events are the same but like how he perceived what he said and how he acted I imagine it was much worse You think but the comment no matter how you whatever celebrities just in general tend to be out of touch and I feel like now we've kind of gotten confirmation like James Corden's like kind of dick.

Yes, yes, yes.

But just I mean we want to talk about this specific incident because like literally low-key this whole thing is like ruining his life.

No, it's not.

No, like, and I mean people already disliked him so i think like they're happy to continue now yeah but

it the comment

devoid of tone like because it could have been said in one way or another was i should just go and cook the food myself yeah and that's really what made him to keith mcneally the most abusive customer he's ever right well he could have well that's the thing it's like did he say man i guess i should just cook this myself or I should bloody get in the kitchen and cook this myself.

Right.

You know, like tone, intonation, like, it's important.

And I could just see him being like rude about it.

Like, and I don't think that like Keith McNally would just make some shit up, even though genuinely I know nothing about him.

Right.

Yeah.

No.

The thing is, the thing for me, like, I'm just basing this off of like how I can see the interaction going.

And like, I could see him being rude.

Yeah.

No, I'm sure that he was not kind.

And he said, like, it wasn't nice.

And he is sorry.

Cool.

It's just really crazy that this has become like a worldwide story when you boil it down to one comment.

I should go and cook it myself.

One comment that we know of.

But Keith would tell us if there were others.

No, like at different restaurants.

Oh, right, right, right.

No, but this story in particular is about the I should go and cook it myself.

No, I just think like overall, it's a part of the story where it's like we're peeling back the layers of James Corden.

Yeah, well, that's a separate story.

Yeah.

But I just feel like.

James Corden, like from here on out, like really needs to act right because everyone's going to be looking for like a situation to expose him because we feel like...

He's got to be the nicest man in Hollywood.

Right.

Because we feel like there's something off and we need to get proof and like people are going to be looking for that proof.

So he has to give people nothing.

He needs to be the kindest, nicest, most generous and gracious man in all of Los Angeles.

He shouldn't leave his house.

Never.

No.

Stay inside, James.

Yeah, he's on thin ice.

Truly.

So I guess that's the end of Balthazar Gate for James Gordon now that he's addressed it.

Yeah,

he had to say something because if he didn't, it would really be like, oh, he just is like that.

Yeah.

So now I guess we've been given.

But you still think he's like that.

I've been given pause.

I'm like, let me see if something else happens, you know, to fully confirm.

Right, because someone can have a bad moment.

And I just want to say, I'm not really one of these people who like despises James Corden.

No.

Like the internet really hates him.

They think every time he enters a project, he ruins the project.

I actually like him.

I think that like his show is the best of all the crap that's on at late night.

I think he's actually funny and has good relationships with celebrities and like is a good interviewer in the segments.

I'm sure they're not like his ideas, but I think his show is good.

Like I don't really even dislike him.

Yeah.

So I'm not like just saying saying that because I hate him and he's ruining the wicked movie, you know?

I agree.

I agree.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes, ma'am.

A little more controversy.

Taylor Swift has been accused of fat phobia, prompting others to defend her message.

So Taylor on Friday released a video for Anti Hero, the first single off her album, Midnights, and the video quickly stirred controversy due to a scene in which the singer stands on a scale that reads fat.

Many people on social media have accused the singer of fat phobia.

The backlash has also resulted in other voices coming to her defense, many of whom cite Swift's past struggles with an eating disorder.

So

she's in the video, she steps on the scale and it's, let me just paint a picture for those who don't know.

The concept of the music video is like the things that keep you up at night.

And clearly a big part of Taylor's, you know, anxiety and things that keep her up at night is her weight, her physical appearance.

So there's kind of like this green monster on her shoulder who makes her get on the scale.

She looks down at the scale and instead of saying a number, it just says fat.

And then like the green monster goes like, tiss, tiss, tiss.

Right.

So that's the concept of the video.

Yeah.

And so people are saying, um, like, oh, Taylor's worst fear keeping her up at night is being fat, but I'm fat.

Is fat bad?

Um, here, and then also people saying, shock, uh, this is Dr.

Charlotte Ord.

Shocking that no one involved in the making of Taylor Swift's music video realized how harmful it is to use the word fat on a weighing scale to illustrate her battle with an ED.

Just thinking about the impact on her young fans of all body sizes, hashtag fat phobia.

Okay, in other words, isn't it possible to appreciate Taylor Swift in midnight as an artist and call her out on her blatant fat phobia?

Taylor Swift should have done better because even if it is relatable and an intrusive thought, it is damaging and fat phobic.

Listen to fat people when they tell you it is.

Okay, well, I'm a fat person and everyone's going to listen to me.

Okay.

I literally don't care.

Like, I just don't care.

And this is not because I'm a Taylor apologist.

I feel like I'm actually, when it comes to Taylor, like, I feel like I'm pretty rational.

Am I not?

Like if this, if this bought, if some, if I saw something that like bot, like rubbed me the wrong way, like I probably would say something about it.

I'd be like low-key and like

I'd like tiptoe around it, but I would say it.

I saw this.

I didn't even think anything of it.

And then there's like backlash and I'm like, oh my God, what now?

And I'm looking into it.

And I really haven't seen an argument compelling enough for me to believe that like she did anything wrong.

I think it's not like the whole point of an eating disorder, like anorexia or bulimia.

It's like you're so fucking fearful of being overweight that you take these extreme measures that like fuck with your mental health and your physical health just so you could be anything but fat.

And this music video is about Taylor.

It's about Taylor's life, Taylor's thoughts, Taylor's experience, and that is her experience.

So you putting your shit on that is like irrelevant, in my opinion.

I agree.

I like, it wouldn't have ever crossed my mind that this would be an issue for people, though now seeing, you know, everybody's hot takes, I'm not surprised.

Yeah.

And I want to say something that's like deeply problematic.

And honestly, like you,

you could call me fat phobic after I say that.

I love that for you.

But I am a person who has been fat.

I've been thin, not in a long time, but I've been there.

So I'm not unfamiliar with the territory that comes with weight and what it does to your health, physical, mental.

And I just, I think it's worth saying, and like, I don't know if I'm a part of the problem, like, I don't want to be fat.

Like, I don't like the way I look.

I don't like the way I feel.

I don't like the way it limits my mobility, my ability to run around and play with roll.

Like, I think it, I find it very limiting.

And I personally don't want to be fat.

So I can can relate to that sentiment.

Is that crazy?

Not crazy at all.

I think that's very rational.

I think that's something that like.

And I'm not saying that being fat is bad, but personally, I don't want to be fat.

Yeah, no, but I don't think that's like a personally to you thing.

You know, like, I don't think what you're saying is, is so crazy.

I think there are

downsides, like, and, and, and health.

implications.

I think that there are people who.

It's not just about like how you look.

It's, it's.

But I think this is like a.

for me it's a lot about how i look if i'm being honest for sure but okay it just is um i think like in the fat community there's like two ways of thinking i think there are people like who are fat and like are learning to live with it even though they don't want to be because they're just limited in their ability to lose weight whether it's whatever reason and then there are people who are confident in that and and are healthy with it and like cool with it and i'm really happy for those people like i really am but like that's that shouldn't be required of of all fat people like

i don't want to be fat And so I think it's great that there's a part of the community that empowers themselves to love themselves.

But I can't and I don't want to.

So like, I think that's valid too.

Yeah.

I really do.

But I think it's important to respect each other's thoughts.

Like I respect, you want to stay how you are and you love it.

Love that for you, girly.

Keep going.

You're stunning.

Someone else.

you hate the way you look and it's because of your weight and you want to lose weight you know what i love that too girly i'll go to the gym with you you know what i mean like i just think both uh p ofs are valid.

And I think the one about like not liking being fat, it's often criticized and like those people are silenced and like

called fat phobic.

For sure.

So I think what critics would say is like, well, what, how, like, Taylor's not fat.

She's not been fat.

So is she allowed to have her feel like?

Well, Taylor is a human being.

So she's allowed to feel.

Right.

Taylor's also a human being.

In general, everyone, like when we're talking about any

a certain issue or a certain group will say, well, you're not this.

So you're not going to be able to do that.

You're supposed to listen to the person from that group.

Yeah.

Well, Taylor has been very open about her years-long struggle with an eating disorder.

I mean, you can look at pictures of her and see there was a really long period where she was clearly underweight and really unhealthy.

And that's not a physical thing.

That's like a mental thing.

So.

Just because she's not fat enough for you doesn't mean she's not entitled to like body dysmorphia or body thoughts about her own body.

Right.

Just because it's not valid to you doesn't mean it's not valid to her.

And just because you think your situation is worse or more relevant doesn't mean that this human being going through an experience doesn't exist and isn't valid.

Like I don't agree with that at all.

Yeah.

I don't.

Oh, and keep in mind, she's also like a woman in the media.

So she has 10 times more fucked up problems about her body than we do because we don't get paparazzied and called, you know, pregnant on the internet, you know?

Yeah.

Well, some of us do, but you know what I mean?

Like she's still a human being.

Like she still is valid in her life experience and her thoughts.

And just because you don't see how it could be, because if that was me, I wouldn't have, if I was Taylor, I wouldn't have a single body problem.

I'd be walking around naked.

It's still, it's still invalidating her experience.

That's fucking rude.

Like, it's rude.

So

I guess that's my thoughts.

I appreciate that.

You said the women of the view were defending Taylor.

Do you know what they said?

I was just curious because I feel like they would have been like pylon.

Yeah, for sure.

I'll pull up what they said there.

I'm just curious.

Overall message.

They said that the critics missed the point.

So they came to her defense with, for engaging with deeply personal body image issues.

Sunny said they missed the point.

For someone who's an artist, she gets to have agency over her artistry.

She was describing a personal experience.

And quite frankly, it's a personal experience a lot of women experience.

No matter what they look like, by the way, no matter how much they weigh.

Yeah, I've experienced it.

And men, you get on the scale and you're a perfectly normal weight.

And all you see is fat.

All you see is, oh my gosh, I'm five pounds heavier than I should be.

Yeah, I'm just not going to get all bent out of shape over this.

And I like, I think also, and this is, I think, a problem in pop culture, but specifically like in the Swifty fandom,

the stock we put in, in other people.

Like, I saw, and I was, the reason why it reminded me that we should talk about this, because I was just scrolling TikTok and I'm very much on the Swift side of TikTok.

And somebody posted that the music video that she, the version she had uploaded to not YouTube, but like another platform had this part taken out.

Like she's obviously in the process of taking it out.

And someone was like, I'm so glad she did this.

Like it's ruined my week.

I was so disappointed.

I've been crying all week.

And it's like, well, that's another problem.

Like really, as as human beings, like, we need to do less when it comes to like the people that we follow and engage and are fans of.

And like, I'm a huge Taylor Swift fan.

And like, if she said something that I really hated and disagreed with, like, I don't think I would for a week be upset and be crying about it.

Like, I would be annoyed for sure.

And I'd love to talk about it on the podcast.

But I wouldn't, I think we all collectively, like, we need to calm down and stop putting so much stake in other people.

It's really not healthy.

Like, imagine if the stakes that like and the energy like we put into Taylor, like we put into ourselves too.

Like, it's so toxic this way of like we're people that we actually know right or like our family like your local heroes what about a teacher you know yeah no i just think like in general the amount of energy and like focus and attention and emotions like fans put into their favorite celebrities that like if and when that favorite celebrity does something that they don't necessarily love the way it destroys them like that's really unhealthy it really is not normal and i feel like that's a huge takeaway from this whole thing for me yeah

Yeah.

Agreed.

Agreed.

I think facts were were spoken.

Yeah.

I just feel like we've gotten to a point where like, sorry.

No, I just my conclusion because I don't want people to take anything I said out of context because I'm still thinking it through as I'm speaking it.

Yes.

So I just, I just want my major takeaway to be, I feel like we've gotten to a place where like, if you're overweight by society standards, um

you have to like accept it.

And I, as a fat person, don't accept that.

Like I, I feel like if you're overweight and you want to lose weight, like that is valid and that's okay.

And that's part of the reason why like, since I've been losing weight, like I don't even really want to talk about it.

Cause it's like I'm like betraying my fat people.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

No, and every time we talk about it.

I get like shit for it.

And like, I'm not just not in the mood.

So like I'm still working through my thoughts.

So I'm really not, I'm not trying to upset anyone because I feel like this is like a triggering topic.

But I just think like everyone's experience is valid and wanting to lose weight is a valid experience.

It is.

It's just as valid as everyone else.

And I feel like we got to a place where like you're like the villain if you want to lose weight.

Yeah.

So that's my thoughts.

Great.

Thank you.

And I've always felt that way.

Like at my

highest, lowest, like I've never really, I work on getting comfortable in my own skin because I love to be a confident girly.

But no matter how much I weigh, because I could see people being like, well, you've recently lost weight.

So that's why you're saying this.

No, even at my highest and my happiest, I still wanted to lose weight.

Yeah.

So this is not like a new thing.

I just want to say.

Yeah.

Now I'm done.

You can turn your iPad back on.

You keep turning it on and turning it off.

You know,

I don't mind turning it off.

The next story is far less interesting.

Just something that you said made me want to ask you a question, but now I've

lost it.

I did say so many interesting things.

You did.

So I can imagine there's tons of questions.

Okay, next story.

The boys are being so good, by the way.

The Streist Brethren, because they love the toast and they respect their mommies.

They do.

They respect women who work, working women, they do.

Next up, Bachelor in Paradise alums, Kaylin Miller-Keese and Dean Unglert are engaged.

I'm really, that was like the last, I think, like season of The Bachelor I watched, like that Bachelor in Paradise.

And it was really good.

And I was really happy for them.

And they like proved everyone wrong.

And now they're engaged.

And I thought they would always, they're kind of like alternative, like they live off the grid.

I thought they would be together forever and never like, you know, give into the patriarchy and get married.

But I love this for them.

I love this for them.

I feel like they are the perfect example.

Obviously, you you don't know what goes on behind closed doors of compromise, you know?

And she really adapted to his lifestyle.

I feel like he changed a lot for her.

And their relationship seems really beautiful.

And they've built this life for themselves that's a blend of both of their

extremely different personalities.

She's like very social.

She's a pageant girl.

Yeah, right.

And he lived in off the grid on the van, you know, showering once a week.

And like, she did it.

She got in the van and she went.

And then they came back and she went, they went to parties.

And that was for her.

Like, they really do.

You're right.

It's like a perfect blend of two different people making a life together and making it work.

Right.

And I feel like even in their content and in their jobs, they're both influencers who are travel influencers.

And so they're still doing what he likes to do, which is exploring and seeing the world, but maybe, you know, in a hotel for her.

As opposed to the van.

Right.

But they go on all these nature walks and it's really, really nice.

So

to see that they got engaged.

is really beautiful.

They haven't confirmed it yet, but a source has confirmed to people that they are.

I think it's nice.

I'm really happy for them.

I'm really happy for them too.

I was really rooting for them on that show.

Like I still get all bent out of shape when like Blake was sharing those text messages, you know?

That was like an iconic season of Bachelor in Paradise.

It really was.

One of the last good ones.

These two have come out on top.

You'd love to see it.

Love wins.

It really does.

Love wins.

So just a reminder of the good old days of Bachelor, because I like when I see every morning, like Bachelor in Paradise is on right now.

Did you do four hours a week?

Woof.

I just never thought, you know, the The Bachelor used to be like the center of our brand, the center of our universe, the center of the universe.

And I just never thought there would be a day where like it wasn't the most relevant show on TV.

And then almost just like overnight, it became irrelevant.

Yeah.

And I don't even know if I had to blame one season or one person.

It wasn't even a moment in time.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I'm trying to think back.

I feel like a lot of people stopped watching after Matt's season

with all the drama with Chris Harrison because people were watching for Chris.

But I think even before that, like they were flailing with Claire, like it was so chaotic.

Yeah.

And now, to me, the show might as well be off air.

Like, that's how irrelevant it is.

I wish I could see what the ratings are, but I don't understand ratings charge.

And I think that they do that intentionally so that we don't know what's popular.

So that we don't know, like, that literally nobody watches cable.

Yes, they're suppressing information.

Totally.

Not to sound crazy or anything.

Literally, like, it's why can't you just tell me?

Like, it's intentionally layman's terms, not 18 to 35, and 0.41.

0.0197, Right?

Yeah.

Anyways, happy for Dean and Kaylin.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

The final story.

It's the final story.

Theo, I love you.

And I love the Bruno boys.

And that's my crunchy, Theo.

So crunchy.

Theo has a nice belly for drums.

Listen,

he's like, get the fuck off.

No, it's not hurting him.

My hands are very dainty and small.

They're so gorgeous.

I missed the final story song.

Me too.

I lost my triangle.

Do you have your triangle here?

I have it somewhere in the house, but that went away with the remote episodes.

You know, how could we have done it?

We can't sing together yet.

So I guess we should make the most of our remaining episodes together, which we have quite a few of.

Don't worry, you guys.

And we should keep singing.

Keep singing.

I'll find the triangle.

Our fifth and final story is gen z's latest beauty trend

okay wait let me think because i like i'm up with the trends what is it crying makeup this one's for the sad girls crying is now a makeup trend according to tick tockers looking like you're on the verge of tears actually makes some people look better and you don't have to get emotional to achieve the look last week makeup artist zoe kim keneally posted a now viral tick tock directed at the unstable girlies showing how to achieve a sorrowful look through makeup In the clip, which has been viewed almost 3 million times, she creates a redness around her eyes, nose, and cheeks using powder and makes her eyes look cheery with liquid glitter eyeshadow.

To finish, she smudges the lips with a combination of color and gloss, then adds some glittery gel on her face to imitate tears.

Okay, can I say something like not to be like so?

I feel like this actually might be something like you would say, like when you're being like, you know,

no, when you're being like the kid who tells the teacher like there's a pop quiz.

And this is just like a silly trend.

So like maybe I'm looking too much into it.

but I feel like isn't this like literally the definition of like glamorizing like sadness and tragedy like I feel like shouldn't we be encouraging kids to like reach out for help and like to talk about their feelings and not like become obsessed with being sad like maybe I'm really looking too much into this you're not this is disturbing trend right like again being sad is not a state that we want to remain in no and it's like of course it's a part of life but like to glamorize the low parts of life and encourage young people to stay in that thing Sadness.

Whereas like, shouldn't, you know, as older people and just like people who've lived, shouldn't we be encouraging the young generation?

Like, yeah, sadness is a part of life.

Like, there's nothing you can do to avoid it, but like, lean on your friends and family.

Talk to someone.

Go to a counselor.

Like, it gets better.

Right.

Like, this is like kind of weird.

You know,

I find it disturbing.

It's not even just like, if you're feeling sad, do we make up and feel better?

No, no, it's not even if you're feeling sad, wear sad makeup and make looking sad is nice.

It's like, well, also happy people will now start to look sad.

And that's, and that's just like the vibe.

And I feel like, hopefully Gen Z turned off the podcast at this point because it got a lot long.

But I feel like the zeitgeist is so sad.

Like you, you look at the music that kids are listening to and it's so depressing.

Everything is depressing and everything is just like...

Okay, but in defense of Gen Z, the music we were listening to.

Not just Gen Z.

I, because I think it's millennial music too.

We're all listening to the same music.

The music on the radio, it's just like,

it's.

Of course, people experience sadness.

You write about sad things, but I feel like no one wants to find an exit strategy for their sadness.

Like we're all staying

here.

And I think that's not a great thing.

I think we should strive for happiness.

Yeah.

You know,

sadness can't be avoided sometimes, but we don't need to stay here.

No, I agree.

It's, it's, and when it's all the music you're listening, like if you're a

neutral, if you're feeling neutrally, not happy nor sad, but all the music on the radio and your playlist that your friends are sharing with you is all like this music that's bringing you down

In turn, you will be brought down.

You will be brought down.

Yeah, no, I think like there's definitely, and it's a generational thing.

I feel like the younger kids are just like leaning into like sadness and

sorrow and like blues.

Um, and it's weird.

But then I also think about like when we were kids, like, you know, we were listening, like, tonight will be the night that I will fall for you.

Like, really, emo, like, we were like the emo music, how to save a life, like, kill me.

I mean, maybe, you know, older people were like, these kids are so emotional with

But separately, the kids are not okay.

And like, you see statistics about how kids are doing right now.

And like, especially with social media, like suicide rates and

kids feeling alienated and like, especially girls and what they got, especially with the pandemic.

And it's like, we need to be helping them out of those

with the culture.

Like, I forgot about that.

We forgot that they're growing up in the digital age.

And we forgot like the reality of what's happening on the ground.

Right.

The social dilemma.

That those statistics about like young girls on social media, like comparing themselves.

And like, I I think, what was it?

It was like one in 10, like, young teenagers.

No, I'm not going to box the statistic, but it was like a suicide statistic, more, more affecting teenage girls because on social media, they're constantly comparing themselves to others.

And it's like the kids are not okay.

And it's because social media plays a huge part in like the destruction of their mental health.

Right.

And I feel like it should be the role of Hollywood and influences and influencers to help the kids, you know?

And like be positive influences.

Yeah.

And there's no real positive influences for positivity.

There is.

Jojo Siwa.

And she's Gen Z.

She's going to, she might save the kids.

I don't know what the content she's putting out is.

She's just always dancing with bows in her hair and rainbows on her face and sparkling and looking cute and running around and only hanging out with like appropriate influencers.

She doesn't do anything nefarious, nothing sexy.

Like she is literally the, to a teeth.

a good role model.

Like actually, I'm actually, I think often about how I'm happy for the kids that they have JoJo.

Okay, but we need more people.

We need also like older people.

And no offense to Jojo.

Like, I love what you built.

Like, I hope you're smoking cigarettes.

We need cooler people too.

I'm sorry.

Actually, Jojo Seawaz is becoming pretty cool.

She's not what you think she is.

I mean, she's an adult.

She's in a relationship now.

She came out.

Like, she's much more grown.

She still dances around like a teenager with sparkles in her hair, but...

She's not the Jojo that you remember.

She's really evolved in the last two years.

I think she turned 18.

Like, she's more mature.

She's still not like overly mature.

She's still like an age-appropriate role model for like teenagers and young prepubescent teens, but she's getting cooler.

She wears Gucci like a lot.

Well then

she actually wears like a ton of Gucci.

That's true.

She's so rich too.

Pretty cool.

Look into JoJo.

You're going to like what she says.

Okay, but we need more Jojo's.

You know, right now this influence is overwhelmingly

depressing.

No, it's videos of themselves crying.

And there's obviously like there's nothing wrong with, you know, going through a bad period.

Of course not.

It's pain, anxiety.

But

I feel like we should be helping the kids to

come out of it.

Right.

Not to meet them where they are.

To understand that it's a part of life.

It's not life.

It's just a part of life.

Yeah, no, I agree.

So that's a weird trend for sure.

Like I would, I raise my eyebrows at it as well.

Yeah.

Especially like, I mean, I guess I look kind of cute when I cry.

I look busted.

You know how everyone like takes pictures of themselves when they cry?

Which is such a weird thing.

Like I definitely do it sometimes, but yeah.

It's such a weird thing.

I feel like I definitely do it sometimes.

For sure.

Like I'm just curious why they like that.

There should, there's definitely like a psychological study on like why people do that.

Yeah.

It's really weird.

Yeah.

Then like also like people video themselves.

Like they just leave their phone in the corner when they're having like a true fucking mental breakdown.

And like that is like a little weird to me, honestly.

Like I just saw a video like of a, she went viral and like people were reaching out like you're going to be fine.

She had like a full-blown mental breakdown.

Like her boyfriend was like, you know, calming her down, rubbing her back, like saying positive words to her.

And they filmed it.

Yeah.

And they filmed it.

And like at first, the comments were like, oh my God, that's so sweet.

He's such a good boyfriend.

And then like a couple people.

And then it became like, I think it's like, so you're having this like mental fucking breakdown.

Like what possessed you to like prop your phone up and put the light on to like get a video?

Like it was bizarre.

Yeah.

And then.

And then it makes me feel like that wasn't a genuine breakdown.

Wait, and not even just prop your phone up.

Like maybe you want to watch it back one day.

Like remember this dark place that you were in, but then also post it.

Posting it.

Yeah.

No, it's then also posting.

I just don't know where to draw the line between like being genuine and authentic and transparent on the internet, but then also like being a little contrived.

Being a little contrived.

And also like, I do think that there are things that should be for yourself.

I agree with that completely.

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tell me lies okay this segment will be full of spoilers of the season finale and the whole season starting now what the fucking fuck yeah i honestly like i don't want to be so negative but like i didn't really understand why the last maybe four episodes were big nothing burgers and then they just like shoved so much random shit in this one episode it was like It was like they ran out of time or something.

Like it felt so weird.

I know.

And I felt like we were going to actually have all the answers in one episode episode because we were getting to a lot of places also the biggest answer or thing that i got from this episode is lucy is the villain of this show yes she starts as the protagonist but i think that might be like the twist of the book is that she is the worst person on the show and you think it's steven because obviously you think it's pippa even you think it's yeah pippa's like okay i don't want to be friends with him but pippa is my queen and my

justice for pippa and my god is diana like diana jaffy was screaming when they walked down the stairs together we watched together together.

Screaming.

Every scene Diana came in last night first at the coffee shop where she's just fucking slaughters them.

Didn't even have to do anything.

Just showed how fucking losery and

you're missing out on your trip to India and then you're going to do literally nothing all summer just so you could, you know, hope to hang out with your boyfriend who's mean to you.

Oh, cool.

Loser.

Loserville, population you, no ambition.

Like whatever.

Oh, and Diana's going to work at a premium law office.

Right.

And she would have helped Steven get there and you're helping Steven go nowhere, even though in his heart of hearts, Steven wants to better himself.

Right.

And obviously, Steven is a psychopath.

I mean, he literally killed Macy and left her there.

Right.

And you called that.

I did.

He is a very bad person, of course.

And so and I love that this, that was the last thing Macy said to him.

She's like, you're literally like a bad person.

Right.

And so up until last night's episode, I thought he was the worst person on the show.

But the worst person is Lucy because she masquerades as a good person.

I think she thinks she's a good person.

Whereas Stephen, like, I think knows he's a psychopath.

And it's like, when the psychopath is scared of you.

No, she's like a horrible friend too.

And now I loved him.

We finally went back to the wedding because we had like so much context.

And when she slept with heaven, like that was like,

goodbye, good day.

I mean, I'm glad that it didn't derail him still marrying Bri.

I don't know if Brie knows, but like, it's really inconsequential at this point.

Right.

And like, she ruined Pippa's relationship.

She ruined Wrigley's life and is lying about it.

I would never.

Yeah.

No, she's never.

She's diabolical.

Diabolical.

She's a terrible friend.

She's so like self-centered.

And she's so not self-aware because like anyone who has an ounce of self-awareness would, like, really, it's not really, Steven isn't really hiding the fact that he's not like, he doesn't love her.

He's just afraid of her now because he happened to have told her this information, which was obviously the biggest regret of his life, because he should be with Diane and his life would be back on track.

And he wouldn't be getting an A-minus and not getting an internship for the summer if it weren't for Lucy.

Right.

And if he doesn't have an internship the summer before his senior year, like getting a job after his senior year will be even harder.

His prospects will be smaller.

And he is already like starting from the high.

Right.

You know, because he doesn't have like connections like everyone else.

Yeah.

She's just the worst.

And like when they walk down the stairs, I was like, I was shook.

I thought she was obviously getting him walk in and then hooking up.

It was more of the same.

But when he just unilaterally decided that he was fucking done with her.

Right.

Like I'm breaking up with you and I'm not even going to tell you.

And in two fucking seconds, Diana swoops in and steals her man's back.

Like, obviously, I think Diana can do much better.

And I'm glad to see that in the five years later, they're not together.

But whatever Diana wants, I want.

Okay, then.

I need a spin off about Diana.

Diana, Summer, Diana's like.

Tell me Diana.

What does Diana think?

Tell Diana lies.

I am obsessed with her.

Okay, but then I agree.

I'm glad it wasn't her who ended up being engaged to Steven five years later.

However,

I really wish that they had put Lydia in.

Lydia is.

Lucy's friend from home.

And when Lucy called her to like hang out, I wish they had just like shown her face and been like, oh, sorry, I can't hang out.

Because when she showed up at the pool and was engaged to steven i'm like who is this bitch yeah i just they showed her in uh in the previous

so she was top book she needed to be in the episode yeah i wonder how those two get together right so now it's like there will be a second season i i don't imagine it's not being green lit like everyone is watching the show are you gonna read the book are you gonna wait No, I just

like the book because it's apparently really different, but I literally need to know.

Like I actually, please, no one spoil it for me, but like I want someone to tell me what the fuck happened.

And by the way, we were both under the impression that like Drew died because at the wedding, he was like, yesterday was his brother's birthday.

Right.

Be cool.

Don't be so hard on him.

So we still don't have any clarity because kind of the whole season I was waiting for Drew to like overdose or something because he was so depressed.

And I thought we knew already that he had died.

Right.

But maybe he's not.

Maybe he's not.

Maybe him and Wrigley just haven't spoken in six years.

Maybe he's in a coma.

Yesterday was the birthday and that's hard for Wrigley.

I feel so bad for Wrigley.

Me too.

He's a PJ.

He's like annoying, but he's a PJ.

Lucy and Steven ruined his life and he's a good person.

And really him and Pippa, even though she like wasn't into him as much as he was into her, they were a nice couple.

They were.

And even though I don't think she was in love with him like he was with her, like she really cares about him, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And she didn't do the shit that she's being accused of.

Like if he wants to be mad at her for like hooking up with another girl, sure, like, but.

She's not lying.

And I just need Lucy to go down.

I need her to go down fast.

At the end of the day, she's framed, but I don't really think she goes down because if she was, like, she wouldn't be invited to this wedding.

Right.

But we saw in episode one, there is this weird tension between her and Pippa.

And when she pulls up to the wedding, it's like she doesn't want to be there.

She didn't even bring her boyfriend.

Like, I do think she's on the outs with the group.

And of course, in episode one, I was like, why are all these wenches being mean to Lucy?

And it's like, ew, no, they're probably all like, Lucy has to come.

They weren't mean enough.

They weren't mean enough.

She really is like so stunning.

Like, it's insane.

She is, but, you know, her insides are for me.

Or I'm like, I hate that face now because I'm hating this woman.

Yeah.

Hating.

No, I'm hating as well.

And like what she put her mom through.

And it's like, I think Steven.

By the way, I, tell me one thing her mom did wrong.

That she had an affair.

It wasn't an affair.

Their dad was dying.

Right.

It's not an affair.

Honestly, I'm sure if the dad knew, he would have been like, yeah, please like go.

No, and she like keeps telling the story and everyone has such a big reaction.

I don't think it's that crazy.

I don't.

think it's that crazy.

No, it definitely like would be weird and it would take me a little while to like get over it.

But five years later, I'm telling everybody about it in college.

Like, calm down.

yeah.

If that's your, and she really is like so privileged, and I think that's why everyone resents her.

Like, she, like, that's your biggest trauma.

Like, my god, you know what other people go through in their life, right?

Not to minimize anyone's trauma, no, but also, she's so not driven, like, she's really just like wasting her time in school, like, and just floundering through the whole thing.

Failing that class, not getting a summer job, right?

Not even going to India, which she talked about all year.

Like, it's so diametrically opposed to Diana, my queen, Diana, like ambitious queen.

Ambitious queen.

Diana's gonna be on the Supreme Court.

Like I can't wait.

So it was a really good show.

We do have to wait to see if they get green lit.

So it'll be a while before we find out, which I know is going to be tough for you.

I like, I don't know what to do.

I think we're reading the book.

I guess I'll get to the end, but it will.

It will, I won't enjoy it.

So I don't know what to do.

Do you want to do Dear Toasters or should we move it to tomorrow?

Cause I feel like we have nothing to talk about.

Oh, no, actually, there's so much TV reading.

Beverly Hills is tonight.

And Salt Lake City.

All right.

So so let's see, Dear Toasters.

I was just thinking we were already at an hour, but I guess we're going, we're going long today.

All right, dear toasters, our advice segment where you can write in dear toasters at gmail.com.

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So let's help our girlies out today.

What do you say, Jax?

I say yes.

I'm still thinking about telling me lies, though.

Like, it's got me all messed up.

Dear, beautiful Sunning and Smart Queens.

I'll make this short.

My father-in-law got married last year to a woman who's only four years older than my husband and I.

They not only got married at the same wedding venue as us three years later, but now they're expecting a baby the same month that my son was born.

He'll just have turned one by the time their baby is born, and he will have an uncle that is younger than him.

I'm not sure if I should feel.

I'm not sure if I should feel offended that this,

that both my wedding venue and my baby, baby's birth month has been taken from me.

Help me sort this out.

You're stretching a little bit on the birth month.

You can't call a month.

No, you can't.

And I did think at first it was like they are both the two at the same time.

Which would be complicated, but you know what?

It's his life.

And sure, the wedding venue thing, I guess is like a little weird, but really, what does it matter?

Yeah.

Like, if he's happy and she's, you know, makes him happy and they have a new family, like, let him live life.

Yeah.

I mean, is she a wench?

Like, do you like her on a personal level?

Like, or are you just looking for things to dislike?

Because with the birthday.

On its face, it's like unconventional.

Yeah.

But

is she a good girl?

Is she a good mom?

Is she a good aunt?

Is she a good stepmom?

Like, yeah.

It sounds like you maybe just like don't like her.

And so you're looking for things like to call her out on.

Like, she took my birth month.

No, or that like you think that it should be weird.

So you're insisting that it is, you know, but I think that it could be nice.

No, same venue is definitely weird.

Okay, maybe it's a small town and there's one big bad venue in town.

Right.

One that's the nicest.

Yeah.

One hall.

Yeah.

That like is the nicest.

It's possible, but that I could see, like, that's out of reach.

Like, it's bizarre.

Yeah, it's a little bizarre, but like, as far as him having a younger uncle, it treated like a cousin.

And it's a young uncle.

A yet uncle.

It's nice for the kids.

Yeah, that's true.

It's unconventional, but like at this point, they're married.

So you might as well just like lean in and start.

It's like a friend, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, you can make the most of it if you want to.

And I would encourage you to do that because it's life.

Life is long.

Yeah.

It's family.

And it's not like no one's doing anything like obvious, like particularly nefarious.

It's just unconventional, but but convention.

Yeah.

You said butt convention?

Buck.

Buck convention, yes.

Sounds like a conference that a lot of bucks go to.

Buck Convention 2022.

Coming to a town near you.

That's funny.

Hey, Jackson Claude.

I have the most beautiful, stunning, and smart friend.

She's really unmatched.

However, she has now been dating a loser for the past year, and I need some advice on how or if I should say something.

She hid this relationship from me and her mom, who she's super close with, for almost four months.

And I think she did so because she knew we would disapprove of him right away.

And we did.

My first experience with him was watching him get into a bar fight in which he was the one in the wrong and he ended up breaking his hand.

So it wasn't just a quick little tiff.

It was quite a lot.

There were a a few other awkward disappointing encounters after that but my husband encouraged me to give him one more chance because she's so important to me the last chance i gave him ended with him being a drunken immature asshole jumping on top of a stranger stranger's car going through a drive-through with people in the car i wanted to die of embarrassment my best friend deserves the world she is so much ahead of her and this guy's really dragging her down it's hard for me to want to defend her in her relationship when people ask me why she's with him i'm scared to say something to her and have her shut me out because in the past she's gotten defensive of little comments I have made, but I can't keep watching her waste her time and reputation on him.

What would you do?

Like, it sounds like like

there are just some people

who like

make bad choices when it comes to romance and like they don't want to be helped.

And it's like frustrating to be their friend and want to help.

But I just feel like you have to let people like be miserable on their own.

Do you know what I mean?

And learn for themselves.

Like I always think, you know, issuing a warning won't just.

If I saw some guy I was dating get out of his car and a drive-thru, wasted, jump on someone's car, I would be so mortified because I'm a normal human being.

Right.

And some people just don't have that receptor.

So it takes them a really bad, something really bad to happen for them to open their eyes.

Like, okay.

I think you say your piece and then you let her make her own choices.

The only thing is it will inevitably affect your friendship because if it were me, like I don't want to be around that person.

I don't want to be around that guy.

So I'll hang out with you.

We can get our nails done, whatever.

But all these like coupley things that we would be doing, we're not going to be doing.

And yes, your friendship will be affected, but that is her choosing him over you, which is her choice to make.

Yeah.

And there might come a time where they're no longer together and she'll come crawling back and you're a good friend.

So you'll let her in.

Um, and then this, like, I feel like with people like this, it's just a cycle.

Like, yeah, they have to learn for themselves.

There's no telling someone.

I know.

And it's like, you, you then just become the villain by saying something, even though you're coming from a genuine POB, like you, you just become the villain because you're saying something like they don't want to hear.

You're a naysayer.

Right.

I think that if you're genuinely concerned, you should say something because

you don't like, yeah, I think that's your responsibility as a friend to just like also it starts to plant in her head like my friends and my family don't like him maybe that's something to think about it's overthinking everything's fun but the next time she gets mad at him like now she also has in her brain like wow sarah doesn't approve of him or whatever this girl's name is right so just let her know how you feel and then you gotta step away and let the chips fall where they may right like at some point like we're not in college anymore like we're all growing up like you have a marriage like you need to take care of your marriage you can't be like fixing her relationship it's her life and it's her choices and it's her mistakes to make yeah all right third and final is a little bit lighter hello jackson claude hope you're having a great week together let's get into it i think we are having a great week we're going to the grocery store after this i can't wait i'm getting married this summer to the most amazing man he's got everything kind humble he's the most loving partner i could ask for he also has an interesting mustache handlebars literal twists on the side of his face that he just thinks are hysterical mostly i just deal with this odd choice and cringe when strangers compliment it but i'm really not thrilled with the idea that he will that he will have this punchline on his face for our wedding.

I mean, those pictures last forever.

Any reasoning I use to try to convince him to shave them off is met with, but I've never felt more me.

What is a girl supposed to say to that?

Any advice on how to lovingly steer him in a different direction from a lucky in love except for the mustache?

Maybe it's just me, but like I only care what I look like in the pictures.

That's such a good point.

Like I don't even look at the other persons in the pictures when it's like my wedding pictures.

No, I mean, I've looked at my wedding pictures a thousand times.

And if you had told me like Tom Selak was standing next to me, I'd believe you because I've never looked at Ben.

Right.

And it's like,

and then eventually when they're hanging on the wall one day, like only he's going to have the photos.

I have an idea.

Photoshop?

No, I have an idea.

Is it to Photoshop the photography?

No, I have an idea.

I have the idea.

Okay.

It's such a long day.

What do you wake up at six to start taking photos?

Once you guys are dressed, do a ton of photos with the mustache.

Then shave it before the wedding and take more pictures.

That's a good idea.

I think for him, it's not that he wants photos with his mustache, just that he wants to be a mustachioed man.

Bring my idea up to him.

Like, for real.

Sure.

That's a good idea.

So

it's hard to relate because I don't know how much this would bother me.

Oh, it would bother me.

Like, you know, Ben and his facial hair.

Remember during the pandemic when he had a beard?

Yeah.

And now I look back and I hated it then and I look back and I fucking hate it.

So then what would you do?

See, the thing with me is like, I'm a bitch naggy wife and like I get what I want.

And this winter break, I want Jordan.

So like I, I would get my way because I'm a bullvon.

Like, you know what I do?

I'd take the razor and like cut a thing, like a piece of the beard off.

So he'd have to, to, like, I'd put him in a position where he looked more stupid with it on.

Like, take a pair of scissors when he's sleeping and cut off one of the handlebars.

He can't get one handlebar.

So I'll be like, all right, I guess I'll just shave the whole thing.

But is that a way to like start a marriage?

What if he like was like, oh, you're crazy?

Well, I don't think a way to start a marriage is a husband not listening to a wife.

So now we're even.

But it's his body, his choice.

No, it's not.

It's not.

No, when you get married, it's not your body.

Only for the man, though.

Like my body, my choice.

Ben's body, my choice.

Okay.

But they're not married yet.

Even when we were engaged.

It was your choice.

It's my body.

But you didn't do anything about the beard in the pandemic.

I mean, it was so hard to like scrounge up an ounce of like give a shit during the pandemic, like about anything.

I didn't care about anything enough in the pandemic to do anything.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like it was just, it was giving low energy.

I feel you.

Okay, so.

I was keep working it, you know?

Keep dropping hints.

Yeah.

You can be aggressive, as Claudia has said i gave two good ideas either chop one of the handlebars off or have him agree to shave it for the wedding but you'll get a ton of pictures before with it on yeah that's a that's a good compromise i would my advice would be try and make peace with it you know

it's weird it yeah i mean it's not for me no and it's like but doesn't he did he have it when you guys met yeah what is the genesis of the moustache

That's what I want to know.

Yeah.

Best of luck.

Do what out of all these options, do the one that feels most in tune with you.

I feel like the one shaving it the day of the wedding after pictures is probably the best one.

That's like, that's called compromise.

This is a wedding.

Like, people have to compromise in a marriage.

Yeah.

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