S5 Ep66: History 101 with Frank Catania: Tuesday, May 24th, 2022

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the morning toast and happy.

Oh my god, it's only Tuesday.

Hope everyone's having like a decent Tuesday.

As good as can be given the circumstances.

Given the circumstances.

Yeah.

Per my last email.

I'll follow up when it's Friday.

And I will be OOO extremely soon.

By ETD, I will be OOO.

What's E-T-D?

E-O-D.

Sorry, I haven't worked in an office in like 10 years.

Happy Tuesday.

Welcome back to the morning toast.

I have Bryce in tow with me because I need the spirit of Bryce to get me through.

I'm so tired.

My aura sleep score is not good.

Praise the Lord.

Plays the Bryce.

Plays the Bryce.

I thought maybe you didn't catch that.

Today's a really exciting day because it's Magnolia's birthday.

Oh, yeah.

Two years old.

Want to give a shout out to Knowles.

Bruno is packing his things.

He's deep.

Are you okay today?

He's so excited to take you to the Maldives per your request.

They're going to have a great romantic getaway.

And

Thrice will be there in spirit.

Are you done LARPing?

We'll see.

Yeah, we'll see.

It's Tuesday.

We've got a great show for you guys.

Mediocre stories, but high energy and enthusiasm from two of your favorite gals.

Your favorite gals.

That's us.

Also, your favorite gals spoke to your favorite person yesterday, Frank Catania.

Came on the toast.

The interview is already up on our YouTube.

You better motherfucking subscribe.

Especially because the interview is so good, so fun.

It's really a visual experience, you know, it's sensory overload.

Best enjoyed on the telly.

But if you are in a situation where you can turn on the telly and you're listening as a podcast, it's at the end of the episode and you will thoroughly enjoy just the preciousness.

Let's talk about the Frank experience.

Yes.

Frank walked in 20 minutes early.

We stand a respectful king.

We do.

But I was pumping.

But you know what?

He took it like a champ.

And you know what?

For some reason, like, I didn't feel like it was weird.

You know, like he's a dad.

No, I feel like

for someone who's had kids, it doesn't phase you.

But if it's someone who hasn't had kids, it would be so much weirder.

Right.

Like we were saying, like, if Austin Kroll walked in on you pumping.

I would have to flee this country.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But no, it wasn't weird at all.

And he gave you like such nice fatherly advice.

He's like, don't blink, man.

Don't blink.

Oh my God, he gave such great advice he was being so cute before the show we did a great like 30 minute interview nothing you know actually there was some good tea spilled um about jackie and about ultimate girl's trip so it's a juicy interview but it's also just like who is frank catania yeah get to know frank on a deeper level and i feel like once you reach that level he's the same frank Yeah, no, and that's what like my major takeaway from the show was like he is the same guy on the show as he was on this couch as he was when he walked in on you pumping.

And that's really all you can expect from a hero.

It's, it's, it's more than what you can expect.

No, I'm feeling encouraged to meet more of my heroes

because it was a positive experience.

Yeah.

And did you ever know that you're my hero?

You know, I've been

re-watching 30 Rock and like, I am Jenna Maroney to the point where like I hate me too, you know?

I love Jenna Maroney.

That's why it works.

Yeah.

Because like she's my favorite character and she's you.

It's so true.

Who am I?

By the way, she's not my favorite character at all.

Oh, I love Jenna.

Well, what does that say about me?

Because like

I see so much of myself in Jenna and she's probably my least favorite character.

You're self-hating Jenna.

What was your question?

Who am I?

I think I'm Jack Donaghy.

I think like you wish you were Jack Donaghy.

I think you really think about it.

I think I'm a combination honestly of Jack Donaghy and Kenneth the Page.

I was going to say you're giving Kenneth energy.

I give both because like I

there's something very Jack about me.

No, you're very authoritative, but like you're Kenneth in the sense that like you have a moral compass and you will not let it, no matter the entertainment Hollywood is calling, no one can take you away from your moral compass.

I would hope so.

That's who I strives to be.

Thank you for seeing me in that way.

And that's very Kenneth.

And also the boy.

And then the end of the day, at the end of the show, spoiler alert, Kenneth becomes like this chairman.

Deservedly so.

Deservedly so, but he's still that boy from Georgia.

Yeah.

And you're still that gal from New York.

From down the block.

Totally.

Such a little 30-rock recap.

That's hard to say.

30-rock recap, 30-rock recap, 30-rock, recap, 30-rock, recap, 30-rock.

You seem to be having an easy time.

Sound that hard.

You seem to be having an easy time.

Sound that hard.

We've got a great show for you guys today.

Anything you want to catch up on?

How's Haroldson doing besides just like breaking barriers left, right, and center?

He's actually doing really well.

For every down, there is a swing back up, and he had a really good night, even though like I couldn't get back to sleep, which is so frustrating.

I even had to break out my Kindle in the middle of the night to lull me to bed.

Yeah.

Because I'm reading this book, which is a good book.

It's just a little slow.

It's about the history of the Plaza Hotel.

And so it's really just, you know, a picture of New York from the Gilded Age till today.

And it's interesting to see the way that like the hotel changed with the city during wartime, during depression, during times of great abundance, prohibition.

It's just slow, but you know, it's the perfect thing to put in.

Put you to bed.

Yeah.

Because like sometimes you're reading a book that's like really juicy.

That's like the worst thing you can do because you wouldn't want to read it.

No, yeah, exactly.

This is not that but i also think that the percentage is going by really slowly because there's an extensive bibliography at the end so i think i'm gonna get to like 70 and the book's over right that's happened to me before i feel extremely triggered by the word bibliography yeah and i mean it better be chicago mla yeah whatever mlm

bibliography is an mla it better be bibliography lula row

yeah mla annotated yeah like that is so unbelievably triggering to me like

just remember the the days where we had to write so many essays and they had minimum page lengths and we were doing everything in our power to make them longer.

Who remembers making all the commas and the periods

three fonts bigger?

That was desperate times.

Yes.

Desperado.

Ooh, the margins, of course.

Of course, the margins.

And then the bibliography, like making it really wordy, just to contribute to the illusion that your paper was long, you know?

That your paper was good.

Yeah, of course.

And by the way, there's so many like

tools out there for kids now, like to help with essay writing.

And like we had none of that.

It was bootstrapping.

What tools?

Like there's literally a website called like writemyessay.com.

And like you can literally just start typing random letters about, you have to put in the subject and you start typing random letters and it generates an essay for you.

You're lying.

I swear.

That's crazy.

I mean, I'm sure it's a piece of shit.

Like for me, it was dark days.

It was like Yahoo Answers.

Like I'll literally never forget.

I wrote a whole paper on the origins of Ethiopian Jews.

And like literally my entire paper was from a Yahoo Answer like forum.

Did you citate them?

No, you can't citate a Yahoo answer.

No, you can't, but that's really a life hack as block quotes.

So long as you let them know where you found it.

But see, the thing is with the origin of the Ethiopian Jews, it's actually quite a mystery as to like.

And you didn't solve it?

No, of course not.

So it's like historians couldn't even solve it.

And I'm in the eighth grade supposed to.

They asked you to.

No, but like, I don't.

I don't know, but like, I just didn't feel like I was up to the task.

Okay.

And clearly it's still haunting you.

Maybe you should seek a book on it and finally get some answers No, I do believe that the origin story of Ethiopian Jews is like incredibly fascinating.

Yeah, but now I just associate it with my eighth grade term paper

Damn.

That's the thing about school what subjects that might otherwise be interesting to us We just like automatically hate because it's in school, you know?

It depends.

It all depends.

It depends on the teacher.

It depends on the stage of your life.

It depends what else you have going on because like I'm so obsessed with the history of New York.

It's so weird.

I'm not obsessed with the present, right?

Just the past of this town.

And I actually took a class in college, The History of New York, and I loved it.

Yeah.

So, like, you would think I've already learned all these things, but I literally will read stuff that should be something that's ingrained in me.

And it's like I'm hearing it for the first time.

Also, I watched Ken Burns's New York documentary.

So many of the same themes, obviously.

Yeah, I guess I'm like on a different level in the sense that, like,

I know an embarrassingly small amount of history.

Like, ask me something like about American history, like any history.

Like, just ask me, and I swear to God, like, I don't know it.

Okay.

I'm going to just, who was,

who signed the Emancipation Proclamation?

Abe Lincoln.

I know.

Look at you, Jesus girly.

Yeah.

But, like, you know,

like, beyond that, you know, when did women get the right to vote?

Give me a, like, you can give me a decade.

I have literally no idea, but I do know that we were suffragettes.

Right.

Yep, we were.

Suffragettes.

Ask another one.

I don't know if it's suffragettes.

I made it a little frank.

Suffragette.

Bonnui suffragette.

Yeah.

That's another one.

You want another one?

Okay.

When did the Titanic sink?

Okay, I only know this because of Downtown Abbey, 1912.

Gorgeous.

Up until I watched Downton Abbey, I had no idea.

I thought it was like 1500s.

I don't know.

Okay, how did World War I start?

Now, World War I is tricky.

It's really confusing.

Because it's not World War II.

No.

And nobody knows anything about it.

I don't know who the the major players were.

I do remember something about the Allies and submarines.

Okay.

But what was the question?

Who was it?

How did it start?

As all wars start:

cannons.

Sure.

Cannons into the ocean.

Sure.

No, let me guess.

Let me guess.

Okay.

No, if you don't know it, you're not like.

No, no, I know it.

How did World War I start?

Was it the price of gas?

No.

Was it.

Okay, I'll give you.

I'll.

It was an assassination of who?

Oh, wow.

Jeff Taylor.

Twisted.

JFK.

No.

No, I know that's like later.

An assassination of.

Who else was assassinated?

Lincoln?

No.

That's really early.

It's not someone here.

Oh, how the fuck am I supposed to know?

Because it's just like, I don't know.

I feel like it's seared into everyone's brains: Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

Oh, yes.

Sorry.

I forgot it was seared in my brain.

The Archduke Ferdinand.

Franz.

Franz.

The Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

Okay, but also, like, it's so crazy.

History is so extensive, but I'm so focused on, like, 200 years.

But, like, you know,

Cleopatra, Helen of Troy.

Yeah, I feel like where I

were using these pillows, like, therapy.

Oh, I know.

Clinging to price.

Clinging to price for dear life.

It's like a stress pillow.

If someone's like watching this show, they think we're like unwell.

Well, these are literally literally the best pillows, the best things that ever happened to us.

It's so crazy how you can get a gift that is so thoughtful that it's really the best gift I've ever gotten.

This, my Ray Dunn mug, like I'm just on a thoughtful gift trip.

And honestly, a pillow like this, like, you know, when you have your period and you're having cramps and you just like have to put a pillow up against your belly?

Yeah.

Do you know that feeling?

That's where I'm at right now.

If only these were heated.

That's next.

Oh, my God.

If you could like put like a microwave pad in.

It's got to be like a fire hazard waiting to happen.

Yeah.

Okay, back to your history lesson.

Yes, I really know nothing.

I had one more question I was going to ask you, but I

feel like, you know, American history, like 13 colonies, like that stuff I kind of know, but everything else I know.

71, 76.

Okay, so where did the pilgrims land?

Plymouth Rock.

Gorgeous.

Yeah.

That's actually not my specialty.

That's also like not for me.

Like the Pilgrims, like to me, I don't think of that as history.

I think of it as like literally like fable.

Because the way you learned it is like, yeah.

Yeah.

So what were the three boats?

The Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And...

1492.

Don't fuck with me.

Oh, I wasn't.

Yeah, I don't go back that.

Like, I don't.

That doesn't interest me.

When I'm reading historical fiction, I'm not reading 1400s.

Do you ever learn like an interesting fact, like a trivia fact, and you just wait for that fact to like become pertinent?

And people are like, how did you know that?

Yes.

I just had one and like I just learned something and I keep waiting for someone to bring it up.

Like it's never going to be brought up.

Jackie, let me ask you a question.

Sure.

In your, you know, know opinion what state do you think has more miles of coast california or maine

well obviously you would think california so the answer is maine yes because california it's like just the coast so it goes all the way down the coast but maine has all these little inlets so it's like

yeah that's my interesting fact of the dangerous so i think you could find a way to work that in to it's never going to come up naturally but is yeah how about this is maine the the state with the most coastal

mileage?

I feel like it would be then if it's more than California.

So you could say, oh, I'm thinking of moving.

I love the coast.

I'm tempted to move to Maine.

Did you know that it has the most coastal mileage of any state?

Yeah.

Or when I find myself like talking about Plymouth Rock, you know, from the boats, I could be like, if only they landed in Maine, the state with the most coastal mileage.

That's good.

That's really good.

Yeah, it's seamless.

So yeah, that's your history lesson of the day.

What was I talking about?

Oh, I guess the book I was doing.

The book.

You couldn't fall asleep last night.

We went on a major tangent.

Major tangent.

All's to say that Harry's doing well.

Yes, very well.

So

I guess without further ado.

Yeah, it's like a Tuesday.

It's like a boring Tuesday.

It's gloomy outside.

It's quiet.

So I don't know.

It's kind of a good vibe, though.

It's a good vibe.

It's a good vibe for sure.

Yeah, I like a quiet Tuesday.

I like a quiet Tuesday, but I prefer a quiet Tuesday where I don't have my period, you know?

If I had to put together the perfect Tuesday.

Yeah, so you have your period.

Yeah, I brought it up twice now, now, so I thought maybe.

Oh, wait, I didn't hear it the first time.

No, I said, remember when you, you know, when you put a, whatever.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I have a period.

I'm sorry.

So that's exciting.

Have you gotten your period yet?

No, I have not.

I thought I was about to because I was experiencing like pain, but I don't think so.

I think it was a false alarm.

Just hunger?

Perhaps.

Perhaps.

Perhaps.

Okay, well, that's the fertility news of the day.

And now, without further ado, it is time for the fast five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast.

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Our first story, Halsey claims her record label wants a fake viral moment before releasing a song.

Halsey claims their record label Capital Music Group won't release their new music until they create a fake viral viral moment.

Halsey has given their label a real viral moment instead by calling out executives on TikTok over the weekend saying,

Basically, I have a song that I love and I want to release ASAP, but my record label won't let me.

I've been in this industry for eight years and I've sold over 165 million records.

And my record company is saying I can't release the song unless they can fake a viral moment on TikTok.

They said everything is marketing.

Basically, it's being done to every artist these days.

I just want to release the music, man, and I deserve better.

TBH, I'm tired.

And TBH, I hear Halsey, but Halsey is also in turn creating a viral moment for the song.

Right, not a fake one.

I think probably she realized that when she did this, they would get the viral moment that they wanted.

Now everyone's like, what's the song?

What's the song?

Right.

But do you think that this was like an intentional?

I think it's a little bit of both.

I think it's frustration, but it's also a way for her to kill two birds with one stone and get exactly what she wanted, which is to release a song and the record label got their moment.

But it also is exposing the record label off.

For the the record label?

Halsey's pronouns are she and they.

So just moving forward.

I feel like this is like a trend with a lot of artists on TikTok.

Like either they try hard to make a TikTok viral moment or they like go on and

lament about the fact that they can't release until they have a viral TikTok moment.

So to me, this is just like the

culmination of both of those.

Like

part of you wants to like sympathize with

Halsey, but then part of you is like, but you're also doing the thing that they want you to do, you know?

Yeah, but it must be really frustrating.

And I mean,

TikTok is so influential in music right now, so I understand the urge, but you can't fake viral, you can't make something go viral.

And why can't we still also just get music on New Music Friday?

Like, why can't we have both?

No, and also, I think that certain people are at a point in their career, and I would include Halsey in that category, who don't have to do dumb things like this.

If you are up and coming, and like the marketing around, like, the perfect example is

Tate McRae.

She's like so TikToky.

Like, every time.

I find it so funny.

I was just listening to her on Spotify yesterday.

And every time she has a new song, she does the video on it, releases like a clip of the lyrics.

People love it.

It becomes a moment.

And then she releases it.

It's like the perfect formula.

And for her, it works.

And for someone of that level in their career, like that's the stuff you need to do.

I do feel like Halsey is like a bit beyond that at this point.

Like, she really is like a pop queen legend.

And like for her to still be playing these like silly games is dumb.

And that kind of, I just feel like means she like works with a record label who like doesn't really get her.

Yeah.

And she should be respected at this point.

Like she's earned her stripes enough to know what her fans want and what's gonna hit.

What is it hit?

In general, like I think when people complain about this and they're not at this level, like that's the game now.

There's always been a game in music and now it's TikTok.

Yeah.

It might not be in another year, but that's the game.

So you want to get in the music industry?

You have to play the game.

But for Halsey, it's like, really?

Like Taylor Swift isn't doing this, you know?

Yeah, she does other stuff, though.

Yeah.

Everyone has their own thing.

And Halsey knows like her brand and what would work well and what has worked well in the past.

I think like, but actually, this is her brand being

open

and exposing the industry.

But see, Halsey has been on the receiving end of viral

campaigns on TikTok, and it was totally natural.

People were using her song, Just Made You Mariette, and I had no one

to share their own stories about like being in abusive abusive relationships.

And that did make the song go viral.

And these things happen naturally.

So to like try and manufacture it is like not,

it's so tacky.

Yeah.

And I would love to, maybe you know, of instances that were manufactured that you can tell that worked.

No, that's the thing.

Like the sheer

nature of it being manufactured means it can't go viral.

Viral is like so natural.

The craziest, do you know what's going viral right now?

I don't don't even know it's from real housewise of atlanta no one knows it's candy burris legs and hips and body body i think it's like from an episode where they like recorded a song or something it's so random that's the thing it's like you can have the biggest song ever it's like it's not about that it's like niche audios most like major major audios on tick tock you couldn't find the origin on it if you wanted to uh wake up in the morning like We know the origin.

We do, but others don't.

Like, right.

It's so random.

And so to try and make it happen is so lame and that's why i think like

charlie booth like the way he goes about doing it people like really don't like because it's so obvious he's like on tick tock and he has a decent following he's like what if i made a song out of this

and then he'll like show you the process of making and he turned and then it's a song called light switch you know like he started the tick tock what if i made a song out of this and then he flicked on the light switch click click

You turn me on like a light switch.

And for me, that was like so manufactured.

Right, but it's

living rent-free.

It did work.

As is he, in your mind.

Yes, it did work in a sense, but I don't think it was nearly as successful as like those really kind of grassroots

natural viral moments.

But I do think an artist like Charlie Pooth

needs to resort to some hijinks like that.

Exactly.

And he's also like really perfect for it because he is on an on-the-fly musical creator.

He's doing what he should be doing.

No,

he need not.

Agreed.

Now, was it you who said, someone said this to me like a couple months ago when I started my Charlie Pooth like hate train?

And somebody made the perfect point.

And I don't know if it was you, but it probably was because who else do I talk to?

They said

Sean Mendez became everything Charlie Pooth was supposed to become.

Not me.

I felt like that was such a good analogy because when you think of Charlie Poothy, he was a snatcher.

The beginning of his career, like the first couple songs, it's been a long

night.

Now too, my madman.

And like he was really becoming like this thing and he was like so cute and everyone like loved him.

And then like that's what Sean Mendez did, like bigger and better.

And like I literally forgot about Charlie Pooth until he like started popping up on my TikTok.

Yeah.

Just like an interesting factoid.

Thank you for the call.

I wonder who was the one who said that to me.

I think it was probably Snitch.

You talked about it.

It was a good call.

Yeah.

I just don't think about either of them, honestly.

So.

Oh, I do.

Like, this is like why I couldn't sleep last night.

Because Charlie Pooth was running through your mind.

No, and I was like, what did Charlie Pooth do?

Like, that ruined all the momentum he had.

We see that a lot in like people's careers.

Like, they're having so much momentum, like them, like, you know, that they're going to be the next big thing.

And then it just kind of derails.

Yeah, I would say probably poor management, maybe a disconnect between their management and themselves, them wanting to do one thing, management wanting to do another, and then they're just not going anywhere.

Yeah, that's like always sad when it happens.

Yeah.

Or maybe they're being suppressed.

But these days, if you love someone, you can have access to them.

Yes.

So that's pretty cool.

Yeah.

It's pretty cool to have access to the artists that you love.

Oh, oh, I can hear them playing this MC100.

Yeah, keep going.

Who can make music that you love?

That's just something I wrote.

Thank you.

Are you ready for that?

Send that to Charlie Poof.

We should collab.

100%.

Are you ready for our next story?

Speaking of a collab, Kim Kardashian is featured in a new campaign by Beyond Meat as the company's first chief taste consultant.

This morning, Kim and Beyond Meat dropped a video showcasing Kim as their new CTO chief taste consultant.

She announced that she will be featured in their new campaign as she is an icon synonymous.

Campaign?

Today's not my day, so if you do it again, no, it's you

do it again.

I don't have no, listen, you just created, it's a campaign, a campaign with Kim.

I love it.

Yeah, that was intentional.

I just

not today.

Okay, I'm sorry.

I apologize.

No, no, no, I don't need an apology.

It's just, it's going to keep happening.

I'm so sorry.

It's going to keep happening.

It's not like a.

No, it's going to keep happening for you and for me.

Like, I'm going to keep.

She just can't speak today.

I know.

Kim will be featured in the campaign as an icon synonymous with impeccable taste in food, fashion, beauty, and more.

She will highlight the brand's delicious, nutritious, and sustainable product

portfolio with her signature recipes and engaging creative content.

I love this, by the way.

First of all, Kim is like a notoriously plant-based queen.

Yes.

So it's definitely like a good,

they align, the two brands.

They are aligned.

I have to assume like Kim just doesn't, you know, do any sort of sponsorship.

I'm sure she like got a chunk of like percentage in this company.

Or just a really big paycheck.

Yeah, no, but it doesn't seem like it's going to be a one-time thing because she's like the new chief taste officer.

So like

she has a job at Beyond Me.

She's going into the office.

And by the way, you know who else just did that?

You know Carter's, the baby company?

They did it with Hillary Duff.

Cute.

I was in like the back of a taxi and it was on like the ABC 7.

What's her title?

Chief CMO, Chief Mom Officer.

That's really cute.

It was cute.

If any other companies need a CMO, I'm available.

I can work part-time, whatever you guys need.

I'm also available for a CMO, a chief munchies officer.

So if you need snacks, I can tell you which good ones to get.

I won't go out and get them, but I can tell you which ones.

You could be a CAO, a chief anti-officer.

I can be a chief anti-officer.

I could also be a CFO, chief fun officer.

Ooh, that's good.

Yeah.

That's really good.

Okay.

CPO, chief party officer.

We're available for hire.

This seems to be like what brands are doing.

I'm here for it.

Yeah, and my rate is extremely reasonable.

It's just $27,000 a minute.

Do you think they get paid

a salary?

Who?

These new officers.

No, I think like this trend of celebrities becoming employees at companies is them like doing a deeper long-term partnership as opposed to just like being a spokesperson.

And I do believe they take stock in the company.

Okay, yeah, I'm sure perhaps Kim did this.

Beyond Meat is public,

but I'm sure she also got paid.

Also, the food that she was tasting in the the video

looked so good.

I mean, for me, it would be so good, but do you feel like she could influence even you to try Beyond Meat chicken nuggets?

Okay, by the way, I've had a Beyond Burger at Burger King, I've had it like at a restaurant, they had a Beyond Burger.

Um, I've had Beyond a couple times, I just don't see myself choosing Beyond over like gorgeous kosher ground beef, you know.

Well, when there's rarely kosher available, yeah, so when they're when it's not available, I have eaten it before.

Have you had

imitation chicken fingers?

I don't think so.

I have.

I've actually been making them a lot at home.

Gardeen has

a delicious frozen chicken finger.

If Gardeen's looking for a CTO.

The thing is, I'm too close to the chicken fingers.

Like,

I'm too familiar with the taste, the texture, the crunch.

But don't you ever have chicken that just hits you sideways?

Nah.

Sometimes there's nothing weird.

I always feel like Bella Swan in that scene when she has the chicken and when she's crying.

Totally.

If you ever have a bad piece of chicken, I'm like, you know, I mean, I've had a bad piece of chicken in my life and it's literally like a life-ruining moment for sure.

Like, but usually when I make them myself, like when I pop them in the air fryer, like from the freezer section, I can never get it right.

Literally, they'll be black on the outside, raw on the inside.

I can't figure it out.

And I'm just following the instructions on the box.

Why don't you use your oven?

Does your oven not work?

No, it does, but I have an air fryer, so.

Oh, that's pretty cool.

Do you have one?

I have one, but it's not set up.

It's in storage because I don't have the countertop space for it.

Your kitchen isn't.

And then I saw on, well, I also have like an espresso machine.

I have other things that you don't.

No, if you just, like, if you wanted an air fryer, you would make space for it.

I would, but it would look, it would be horrible.

I have a toaster oven.

You got that baby brez.

I have a microwave that's my kitchen didn't come with a microwave, so it's on the counter.

That's like twisty.

Yeah, it's really weird.

But I have a chank.

I have a cool microwave, though.

So

I've made it work.

But like, you live in like a really nice apartment and there's like no microwave.

It lives in the whole building.

That's all all weird.

That's just like, why are we not maybe the

stand.

No, you know who the developer was.

You know who I heard the developer was?

Oh, the mom.

The mom from Confessions of Teenage Drama Queen.

Because she didn't believe in microwaves.

Okay, but I saw something on Emily Didonato's story the other day where her husband told her that an air fryer is just the same thing as using the convection setting on your oven.

See, it just doesn't feel the same because I cook on convection.

That's how I cook.

I just feel like Emily's husband, Kyle, is just trying to stop me from living my best life yeah but Kyle is businessman Bo I know so like we're forced to listen to everything

know for sure and by the way it's definitely made me look at my oven more flatteringly like oh you're an air fryer yeah I mean and I guess if you were to like just like really boil it down like an air fryer is just like a small oven it's a small convection oven right that's what he said I'll have to look into it, but I will not be getting rid of my air fryer.

I don't think you should, even though.

Even though I literally never made anything edible.

But you know what?

I do do

if I have like mozzarella sticks from the diner that like they took them out of the, like they took them out of the fryer too soon.

I'm like, like

they're still kind of like brown instead of golden.

I'll pop them straight from the tinfoil diner casing straight into the air fryer.

Don't put the tinfoil in there.

Oh, yeah, no way.

Or if you had them, you got them a few hours ago, you didn't finish them, you can pop them back in.

Works for chicken tenders too.

Yeah, but something funny

from the funny about you is that, like, when you cook,

nothing comes out good.

No, I've never successfully made something correctly, never in my life.

Like, you'll be like, I'm making pani ala vodka from scratch, and I'm drunk.

No, and it's like, you'll show me a picture of it, it looks amazing and perfect, but like, nothing you've ever made has tasted right.

No, the panayala vodka was literally so vodka-y, I almost vomited on the plate.

Um, I made over the pandemic, I tried a bunch.

So plain pasta with like butter or sauce, like that doesn't count.

Didn't you make chili recently and it was sickly?

I wouldn't say sickly.

I would say different, you know?

Unique.

But to your credit, it must be hard comparing what you're making to what Ben makes.

You know, also, I really don't need to cook.

Like, I literally live with a chef.

Right, right.

But then also everything you're going to make is going to pale in comparison to to the chef.

Yeah, but like, I like if I have to cook dinner, and by the way, when I have children, like, I will, I can't be ordering it every night, right?

Like, I have to cook.

I know how to make like four things.

The four things are schnitzel, and I have a very good recipe, but like, I would say one in every four pieces is raw.

I can make um taco taco, like white people tacos, you know.

You do love tacos, I do, but like

you know, I wouldn't eat the big chunks of meat because they're probably rare.

Um, I can also make bolognese, I can make a bolognese sauce, but the sauce does have mold in it.

And the fourth thing that I can make is

grilled cheese.

Is it just three?

Yeah, I guess three.

Chili?

I really can't make chili ben can.

Those are the three things.

Rice.

I can make rice, minute rice specifically.

Actually, nobody makes better rice than me.

Except sometimes if I can.

That's supposed to be true because you're a rice connoisseur and like you, you love your own rice.

I do, but so like I make it in like basically in a big Tupperware.

I put like a cup of rice and then a cup of water and sometimes if I use like a Tupperware that's not like a hundred percent clean the rice does have this like dirty dish smell

So that's why I order in multiple times a day.

Why don't you ever make the bags of rice?

It's not the same.

Oh, I've started making those and they're pretty good.

No, it's not the same.

It's crazy how you can make a bag of rice in 90 seconds or you can make rice on the stove and it's 45 minutes.

And one broken pan later because you're not getting that shit off the bottom.

No, and I did that last week.

I was like, I want like fresh rice, no sodium, whatever.

And one in every 10 grains was still plasticky.

But do you know what?

Like, I actually, TikTok has really made me want, but I don't have the counter cow.

You have a rice cooker.

Yeah.

You need one.

I know.

And like, I love that little paddle that can be a little bit more.

You need one more than you need an air fryer.

I know.

Because basically every meal I have, I'll have grilled chicken and rice.

I don't really have meals without rice.

I'll have meatballs and some rice.

Yeah.

Some pasta rice.

Rice is like water for you.

I fucking love rice.

Juliana, I eat a lot of rice.

I need a rice maker, but then also.

Okay, I know what I'm getting for your birthday.

No, but the thing is, I'm still the one who has to put the rice in the rice maker, and it will be bad.

Like, it's just, it's not, it's not something I can do.

Okay,

okay.

Are you ready for our next story, which is more food news?

We actually have a lot of food news today.

Okay.

Kanye has announced that he's redesigning McDonald's food packaging with a visual of a reimagined burger wrapper.

So he took to Instagram to post this new burger wrapper that really looks like the future.

It's like a square.

I don't know what it's made out of, but he's posted it to Instagram and he said next week it's fries.

I guess he's redesigning their packaging too.

Yeah.

What do you think?

I don't really know.

Like

as a McDonald's connoisseur, I just feel like.

It affects you.

I'm definitely deeply affected by this.

I also think that like

there was nothing wrong with the initial packaging.

If anything, it's I think it's nostalgic for a lot of people.

Like there's a lot of love associated with those old wrappers.

So I just don't, I don't really believe in fixing things that aren't broken, you know?

Yeah.

But I do love like a unique partnership slash concept for Kanye to express his creativity.

And as long as he's not like yelling at Kim and Pete, like I'm happy.

Yeah, and he's not like changing.

recipe that you love.

Also, even though this is a new futuristic design, it's still pretty classic for McDonald's.

So I think I love an update, I'll rebrand.

I mean, I guess this is just an excuse to go get McDonald's, which I didn't really need, but now that I have one, lunchtime.

Speaking of new packaging, the Spritz Variety Pack is now available.

Yeah, SpritzSociety.com.

You can get all the flavors in one box.

You don't, if you want to try them, this has two of each flavor.

Cans, two of each.

It's so great.

Love that synergy.

That was beautiful.

Yeah, and it was designed by Kanye.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

So yeah, I just like I'm trying to find a fuck to give, and it's hard because

I don't.

But like, cool, you know?

Yeah, cool.

Whatever.

Like, whatever.

Cool synergy brand.

I didn't think that, like, the burger box was that, like, the new one was that cool.

But how cool is it going to be?

It's a burger box, and they churn out millions a day, like, and then they go in the trash.

And it was never a problem to begin with.

Yeah, but they, like, wrap it up and just didn't have a lot of love.

No, they put it in a box.

No, but they wrap it first.

And without a lot of love, I would say.

I've never experienced that love.

Okay, but so it's Kanye's partnership ensuring that every worker has love in their heart.

This looks like love.

Honestly, it looks like kind of gross.

Well, you wouldn't want it anyway.

No.

But I just think like now that Kanye has his foot in the door at McDonald's, he could, you know, make some real changes to things that actually need to be fixed, like the ice cream machines.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next trip?

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Okay, our next story, I'm a little nervous to share.

Because you hyped it up?

No, I just, I think you're going to be searching high and low.

Oh, for a fuck to give.

I don't know, but I also think you might,

whatever.

Edible burrito tape for mess-free eats has been invented by Johns Hopkins students.

A group of engineering students at Johns Hopkins University unveiled a groundbreaking and mouthwatering invention called Tasty Tape, an edible adhesive to keep all your favorite ingredients tucked inside burritos and wraps.

So it's an edible piece of tape to keep your burrito together because these enterprising students were just so discouraged that their burritos were constantly falling apart.

They spent the school year perfecting the edible adhesive strips as part of their senior design project.

One of the students was eating her burrito one day and it was just everywhere.

And she was like, you know what?

This is a problem to be fixed.

Tasty tape is made up of an edible adhesive comprising a food grade fibrous scaffold and some other stuff that's edible that keeps the burrito together.

It was unveiled weeks ago as part of the Whiting School of Engineering's Design Day.

Did you see that?

The group of female chemicals.

I just want you to know

it was made by female chemical and biomolecular engineering.

We will look too.

Oh, sorry, never mind.

I thought it was a fuck that I gave, but it wasn't.

No, but this is really why it's so important to go to college.

Yeah, right.

That's what I was going to say.

And get a degree in engineering.

I could just see these students' parents rolling their eyes, like 20 grand a semester to make up a dumbass invention.

No, I actually think this is like a decent invention.

No, I don't.

No, I think that plenty of people would, like, people love burritos.

They fall apart.

They should go on shark tank.

But see, the thing is, here's the thing.

A good burrito doesn't fall apart.

Oh, so.

You could be tasty, but you just didn't have the engine.

You know, you don't like wrap it tight enough in the tinfoil.

Like, that is poor burrito making.

What about at-home burritos?

It is hard.

Burritos, in my opinion, shouldn't be made at home.

It's really like...

Like, maybe now they can be with tasty tape.

This is so dumb.

Beyond.

But I think people are, like, I actually think, and even like, I'm sure Chipotle could license it.

Other places too, like, they really could have big business on their hands.

I know, but, like, who wants to eat an adhesive, even if it's edible?

It probably doesn't taste like anything.

Maybe it's made of bean.

I know.

What if it's made of rice?

She'll be there.

But you also don't love burritos, so this isn't a story.

No, I don't love burritos, but I do eat a lot of like burrito-shaped, like wraps, you know?

Yeah, oh, you had a wrap that was falling apart at the seams.

Women went for lunch over the weekend because that was a poorly made wrap.

But I get that wrap at that place for lunch literally, like multiple times a week, and it's usually wrapped to perfection.

I don't have one complaint.

Yeah.

So, again, it's like we're creating, it's like, you know what it is?

It's like the straws.

It's like the problem with plastic straws.

Explain.

We're creating a solution,

but we're not fixing the problem.

Wow, I'm literally on a roll.

Ready?

I'm listening.

Like, people ban plastic straws because they were ending up in the ocean.

Sure, but why don't we ban how they're ending up in the ocean, which is people throwing them in, you know?

So it's like we're not actually getting to the root of the problem.

We're just creating a solution that doesn't actually fix the initial problem.

Same with this adhesive tape.

The problem is we're going to ban the people who are making bad wraps.

The problem is the poorly made burritos and wraps.

But we're creating an adhesive.

Oh, let's just keep making bad burritos and eat like chemicals at.

Like, this is so dumb.

Wow.

Sorry.

It seems like you do give a fuck.

Yeah, actually, I tricked myself into giving one.

I agree.

I don't totally see how it's congruous with the straws.

You just use my analogy.

I do, I do.

But I also feel like, okay, so

there are a lot of like tools that are helpful for things that people can't do properly at home, you know?

But like, see, the thing is with plastic straws, it's not like people are just throwing plastic straws.

That's the issue with the plastic straws.

It's like there's so much plastic, there's so much waste, and like the straws don't even make up 1% of it.

Right.

So like, and we're now throwing all this in the ocean including plastic straws so you think the way to solve that is just to get rid of plastic straws moronic and then have you seen the masks in the ocean have you seen the turtles wearing masks no so like the problem is obviously why is this trash ending up in the ocean let's tackle that instead of banning plastic straws we could maybe reduce plastic use across all categories, not just target one.

Yeah, like this.

Target one.

And you know what?

The banning plastic straws, it's a little ableist.

100%.

100%.

It's a little

ageist the elderly 100 babies 100 rely on straws 100 or anything about yourself 100

don't get me started on the straws no me neither because like when they first started banning straws they were like oh because they're killing turtles in the ocean i was like oh my that's terrible yeah let's ban plastic straws and then like one day it occurred to me i was like wait

How are the straws getting in the ocean?

And it's like human error.

Yeah.

So that's the problem.

Not the fact that plastic straws exist.

No, and it's not like only the straws are slipping through.

Right.

And ending up in the bushes.

It was just like that one picture of a turtle with a straw shoved up to snows, right?

Yeah.

But like there's still other terrible things happening with other plastics.

Oh, the things that keep beer cans together.

Oh, yeah, those are bad.

Those are bad.

And like beyond unnecessary.

Yeah.

And you know who doesn't use those?

Spritz.

Put it in a box, bitch.

Put it in a box.

Spritz doesn't use those.

Put it in a box.

Don't use them.

Put it in a box.

Spritzsociety.com code toast.

Yeah.

So, like, I just think, like, while a lot of these movements, like, people start with good intentions,

they're placating.

They're placating.

I don't really know what that means, but felt like the right time to use the word.

Anyways,

I don't know how to feel about this story because, on the one hand, sure, decent invention.

On the other hand, Johns Hopkins University.

Engineers.

Engineers, biomedical students.

No, it's beyond them.

Biomolecular engineering.

Unless this was like

extracurricular, you know?

It was part of their like design project.

But that's just, they only did as asked.

No, these are like the smartest.

It's not the students' fault.

You had to design something like, design a cure for cancer, you know?

It's not the students' fault.

No, it's not the students' fault.

It's curriculum.

It's these institutions.

It's the curriculum.

It's institutions.

You said it, sis.

I said it.

Are you ready for a fifth and final story?

Yeah.

Because some of our favorite people are on the cover of British Vogue being stunning bride and groom that they are.

Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Pelt are on the cover of British Vogue recreating some wedding looks and revealing that their wedding was inspired by David Bowie and Iman.

Well, I was going to ask if you thought that the cover was like a photo from like the wedding photographer or if they got back in their wedding looks.

I think they like got back into character and they took a bunch of wedding themed pictures, which I don't mind.

It's kind of weird that it came out after the wedding as opposed to like, because I feel like once you're married, like you're irrelevant.

No, like your dress is in storage, like you don't care.

Yeah, but when you're a a fiancé a blushing bride to be there's so much buzz you know so i would have liked to see this last month and it would have made me like realize how excited i was for their wedding but it's still gorgeous and honestly as far as

couples on the cover of a magazine it doesn't get better no it's really it's quite something it's it's ethereal it's elegant it's beautiful it's really striking yeah as are they and i have come to like really be become obsessed with them, but like I'm even more obsessed with the family dynamic.

And I have to watch it.

You're more obsessed with the drama and the shade.

And like the possible toxicity.

We don't really know, but like we're pretty sure.

No, it adds up that there's a little bit of beef and in-law tension.

Because you want to know why?

It would be too perfect without you.

Yeah.

It wouldn't be fair.

Yeah, but we all saw the blinds from the wedding and the speeches

and the distance.

But I feel like that's just like sometimes like typical wedding behavior.

Because planning a wedding is so

toxic.

And and by the wedding, like it's hard to, you know, put your differences aside.

And so maybe they're all fine, but it was just a long, and I'm sure a wedding like that, it was a long process.

Yeah, I'm just really curious about the relationship between Victoria and Nicola.

Like, to me, that I think is the most interesting.

I always, up until the wedding, I really thought that Victoria loved her because she, like, would post her on her Instagram, even before they were engaged.

But the, the whole last name thing threw me off.

Yeah.

And apparently there was like a speech and Nicola wasn't even in there for it and they only talked about the kid, Brooklyn.

Yikes.

it's interesting, but they look beautiful on the cover.

Yes, and hopefully, the families can put their differences aside at Christmas.

Yeah, and it seems like Brooklyn and Nicola are so happy, and that's all that matters.

Yeah, and like that their star is like truly rising.

I feel like for a while, Nicola was like really, um, like just when I was watching her career peripherally, like, she was doing the most to like be the most and wasn't becoming the most.

And now, I feel like where she's at a place in her life where like this wedding and this courtship like put her on the level that I think she was dying to be on for a while.

She can just be Nicola, right?

She doesn't have to act or.

We love her for who she is.

Right.

Because I don't think I've ever seen her act.

No, but I think she's in.

We did this.

We did this IMDB journey already.

But I do feel like she's getting buzz for something.

Maybe it's just her wedding.

Probably.

Anyways, congrats.

Congrats.

Great.

Great cover, but it's a British Vogue snag.

So elegant.

Yeah.

There's something so.

And I didn't think of it.

Yeah, there's something so

sickening about British folk.

Yeah, they do a good job.

It's very aristocratic, you know?

Yeah, well, it's also the editor there.

Edward.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just cooler.

It's very edgy.

But that's because of him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also because it's British, like, let's be real.

But it's also because of him.

But

American could be that way.

You know, but it's like as an American, like, I perceive British as like high society cool, you know?

Like, that's just me being a loser.

I understand.

I understand.

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Thank you very, very much.

Yes, I am.

What do you bench?

We got up there.

We did 565 pounds.

Holy shit.

Wow.

Yeah.

So, you know,

I take my lifting very seriously.

Yeah.

Can you walk me through the last couple years of your life?

You know, you're a couple years ago, you're unknown, just a regular guy in New Jersey, being a dad, working, construction, working out, clearly.

And all of a sudden, your life gets flipped upside down because

your ex-wife is on a show.

But Jersey is one of those really unique franchises where the husbands are just as entertaining, just as popular, just as famous.

So you've really just kind of catapulted into another universe in the last couple of years.

It has been a transformation, which I never expected.

I got to be honest with you.

Again, because Dolores is not even my wife.

She's my ex-wife.

So I didn't know how I was going to fit in at all, if any.

And the first couple of years were a little rough because everything in your life comes out.

All right.

But then after that, then you start getting the DMs and then you start getting a following.

Then you start seeing what's going on.

Then you become more integrated as part of the show.

And then the men became more.

part of the show here.

Right.

And let me tell you something.

Whatever you see on the men on a Real Housewives in New Jersey is not scripted whatsoever.

I believe

you couldn't write that, honestly.

And if you could, they would do it on other franchises, which they don't.

And like they try to, and you can tell, like, oh, they're trying to do the Jersey thing, but it doesn't hit like you're excited.

Thank you.

So true.

How do you attribute to the dynamic, like the magic sauce of all of you guys?

Is it that you're friends in real life, that some of you knew each other before, or is it just that, like, Joe Gorga won't let you guys not be friends?

Like, what is it that brings you all together in that way?

Jack, I I think you hit exactly on it and it had to do with the fact, number one, we are friends.

Beyond what you see on TV, we hang out.

And I think, especially myself, Joe Gorga, Joe Beningo, we come from the same background.

We come from the same areas and it just hits.

Cut from the same cloth.

Right?

Exactly right.

Quality fabric.

There you go.

Do you watch every episode?

No.

Okay.

No, I know.

What I do is as part of the cast, we get it a couple days beforehand.

And I watch it

on my phone just to make sure they didn't do anything too bad that week to embarrass my family.

And if I didn't, if I'm around come Tuesday nights, I'll watch it.

But if not, I already saw it already.

Right.

Got it.

And what do your kids think about the show?

They're not on it that much.

Frank is more than your daughter, but what is their overall takeaway?

They like being on the conversation.

My daughter, no.

My daughter

is a fight between Dolores and Gabby all the time.

Gabby, you got to film.

Do me a favor, come film.

And when she films,

believe me, she's a team player.

Yeah, yeah.

Frankie's a little bit more

a part of the show.

A lot of times

we go places and we go to take pictures and that Gabby's there.

They don't realize Gabby's part of the family.

But Gabby's, out of everybody in the family, Gabby's the most accomplished.

Yeah.

Right.

So.

But you were just telling us she's going traveling to save rhinoceroses.

She's at it.

That's our daughter.

And no matter what Dolores and I say, it doesn't matter.

She has such a strong personality.

She's going to South Africa to dehorn the endangered rhinos so the poachers don't go after them.

That's awesome.

Neither one of us wanted to do it.

It's so dangerous, but you know,

she really okay.

I'll see you guys later.

That's awesome.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Okay, so my, I have so many questions for you, but the first is some bombshell news came out recently that you are in a relationship.

Yes.

And for some of us, Dolo, Frank stands, like that's...

It hurts.

It hurts.

It hurts for sure.

And I know you said it before, and I don't want to like, you know, beat the dead horse too much, but like, why?

Why can't you you make it work I know she's in a relationship now too but like why can't you and Dolo make it work

where where you see myself and Dolores now took a long time yeah it didn't happen overnight

and I'm so afraid to screw it up if it's not broken don't fix it yeah right our family dynamic right now is so good it's so good and that's why I had such an issue initially with Paulie because Paulie just I don't know, he didn't seem like he wanted to be part of it.

And Paulie is Dolo's new man.

Yes.

Correct.

Exactly.

Yes.

So, but no,

I love Dolores, and I'll do anything for her.

It's just that I see Dolores now as someone different than a wife or a sexual figure to me.

It's a shame.

I mean, it had to be a year ago, two years ago.

I walk in, she's in a bathtub, and we're just talking, you know, like my sister.

It's come such a long way.

It's a different place.

Yes, exactly.

You guys really set the mold for divorced couples.

and your family.

What do you think is the key to that?

What advice would you give to people who are maybe in your situation that you were in 10, 15 years ago, trying to get to the place that you're at now?

Absolutely.

And it has to do with the fact that, remember, I was a divorce attorney for over 20 years.

So I've seen it.

I've seen how bad it is.

I went through a divorce when my parents didn't talk.

So I had two birthdays.

I had two holidays.

And despite what happened between Dolores and I, Dolores promised that she would never allow our family to be like that.

And the kids,

whatever happened, had nothing to do with the kids.

It wasn't the kids' fault.

It's our fault.

So why make them suffer?

Honestly, I don't think my kids even knew that we were divorced until they were like 18 years old.

They thought we lived separate.

And dated other people.

So they did, you know, so, but it was,

it's, Dolores is a strong woman.

Dolores is a strong woman to put aside everything that ever happened in order to make sure that our family wouldn't suffer.

No, it's really admirable.

Yeah, right.

And I got to be honest with you, I say the proof is in a pudding.

Look at my kids.

Yeah.

I'll put my kids up against anybody.

I'm so proud of them.

Yeah.

Do you and Frankie, like, the show has been, over the last couple years, so good for you and Frankie in the sense that, like, all these young girls are like, oh my God, Frankie, Frankie, Frankie.

And all the older women are like, oh my God, Frank, Frank, Frank.

Do you guys like, do you, do you get a lot of DMs?

Does Frankie get a lot of DMs from ladies?

Yes.

We both get a lot of DMs.

Yeah, I imagine.

Yeah, and

my Instagram used to be Frank Catania Jr.

and Frankie was Frank Catania.

Oh, that's confusing.

That's easy.

Oh, yeah, exactly.

I didn't even get some of Hidden's messages.

Oh, no, he got many more of mine to the point where I said, let me change mine to Frankie Daniel Sr.

All right, to stop because Frankie calls me up and goes, Dad, you got to see this one.

It's interesting.

It's very interesting.

I wake up every morning to an adventure on my Instagram.

Would you go out with someone who DM'd you?

Honestly,

it's, yeah, I would.

If I wasn't in a relationship, yes, I would definitely consider it.

And so, how did you meet your current girl?

I've known her, guys.

We go back like 10 years.

Oh, that's nice.

All right.

She was a fitness competitor, and I used to train her.

All right.

And then about three years ago, that's when the two of us

got together, we had a little bit of hiatus in between.

And now we're back together.

And that hiatus in between is when that girl from Texas that came up on the show.

Got it.

All right.

Came in for a little while.

Your timeline is perfect.

All right.

Exactly.

I made sure of it before I take it.

All right.

I forgot that you trained Teresa.

Yes.

Was she one of your most difficult clients?

No, not at all.

Not at all.

In fact, I got to be honest with you, Teresa was probably one of my easiest.

Really?

Because whatever I told her to do, all right, she did it.

Yeah, she was the one.

And in a nice way, I will call Teresa an animal when it came to training.

All right.

Girl does not sleep.

I'll get a text message at 11.30 at night from her.

I'll get a text message at 5 o'clock in the morning from her.

I tell her, this is what you eat for the day.

That is what Teresa ate.

Wow.

Dedicated

beyond description.

Yeah.

Well, let's talk about this most recent season.

It was a really good season and you, of course, were in the middle of everything.

This whole Jennifer-Serena soccer.

Thank you.

Can you set the record straight on what you believe to have happened between Jennifer, Margaret, you, everyone?

Absolutely.

Jennifer, I don't know.

Jennifer's saying that I said something.

I said there was a woman.

Not once, and I'll put it on the record again.

Not once did I ever think that Evan ever cheated.

Okay.

Ever cheated.

And I know Evan very well.

I do know Evan.

What I did do is I received a DM from somebody who I didn't even know.

All right.

Sent me a picture of a woman.

All right.

I don't know from where or anything else tells me this is the girl that Evan cheated on Jackie with.

I didn't know who the girl was.

It didn't have an Instagram with it, so I couldn't follow an Instagram.

And I don't recall ever saying anything, but me and Bill were out to dinner.

And I got to be honest, I know Bill doesn't lie.

I know Bill doesn't lie.

So it was either a misunderstanding,

where maybe I said to him, I said, somebody sent me a picture when Bill went home and said, oh, Frank knows the girl that Evan cheated.

Got it.

All right.

Which absolutely not.

All right.

I mean, listen, Bill admitted to Jennifer that he had an affair.

All right.

And he's not a liar.

Bill's not a liar.

No.

All right.

But to this day, I'm a guy's guy.

Bill didn't cheat.

As far as I'm concerned, Bill didn't cheat.

That's extremely toxic, if I'm going to be honest, when Bill literally said that he did.

Yeah, I just think he might have been drunk at the time.

Frank.

Coerced.

Can you imagine being

coerced?

Can you imagine waking up, being woken up at 3 o'clock in the morning by Jennifer leaning over the top of you, telling you you cheated?

All right.

I look up, honestly, night after night after night, I'd say I cheated too.

Wow, that's extremely hot take.

That's a very hot take.

I don't know if I agree with it

at all, but I appreciate the creativity.

You give me at least an A for effort.

Yeah, for effort.

Thank you.

Can you give us a little insight into what's going on between the Gorgo Jiu-Diches?

Because it doesn't appear to be good.

Well, obviously, what you saw on the reunion.

And Watch What Happens Live when they were talking about his podcast.

Yes.

From what I know, it's not...

They don't talk.

First of all, neither one talk very much about it whatsoever.

But from what I see, no, there's not much communication between the families right now.

And you guys have started filming.

Right.

Is that going to be brewing?

We don't, we just started.

All right.

I don't know what's going to happen.

But I saw things on social media about Melissa where Melissa said,

I wash my hands of it.

I'm done trying to keep the families together.

I'm done trying to keep the families together.

I think that's fair.

Yes.

It's fair.

Yes.

So at this point,

I don't know for sure what's happening, but I don't see anything good happening.

And what is the status of Dolo's relationship with Teresa?

Because her not being invited to the engagement party.

And I saw that this week was Teresa's 50th birthday.

Louis took everyone to Tulum.

Dina was there, and Dolo was not.

Listen, Dina and Dolores will not be in the same place.

Got it.

All right.

There's been an issue brewing for them for a couple of years.

And I got to be honest, I don't even know what exactly it is.

All right.

But I do know that it's deep.

All right.

And I also know that Teresa is best friends with Dina.

Yeah.

Okay.

And she's good friends with Dolores, but I know she's best friends with Dina.

And regardless of what anyone says, including Teresa, my opinion as to why Dolores was not...

invited to the engagement party is because Dina was there.

Yeah.

But what about the wedding?

Listen, I don't know what's going on with the wedding.

I don't know.

Are you invited?

No, I won't be invited.

You won't?

No, I won't be invited.

Why not?

As a guest of Louie?

You know,

no, me and Louie aren't that close.

You know, we're not that close.

Are they getting married soon, like during this season of filming?

That's what I understand.

But they're not going to invite the whole cast.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Supposedly at the end, I think towards the end of this summer, I think, from what I hear.

Guys, you know what's funny?

People come up to me and know more about the show than I do.

Nobody tells us anything.

Nobody tells us.

you know supposedly you know we have some new girls coming on this year i know nothing i know nothing about it and jackie is a friend of have you heard that you know i i didn't know for sure i went out to dinner the other night with jackie and evan all right and yes i heard yes all right she is a friend of

what about tracy and tiki i heard tracy's gone all right i heard tracy's gone but at the same time i gotta be honest uh jackie I heard maybe coming back.

We don't know about Tracy.

So nothing's definitive.

Right.

Nothing's definitive ever here.

Yeah, yeah.

We didn't agree with Jackie's demotion at all.

You know?

I think she had a great season.

I thought she had a great season.

Her best yet.

Yes, 100%.

Not only did she come out with respect to the eating disorder, which I know wasn't easy for her.

Of course.

But at the same time, listen, I know one thing you shouldn't do is stand up to Dolores because I've seen what Dolores can do.

But Jackie stood up to Dolores.

And she held her own.

Yeah, right?

She did hold it.

And until Dolores got, Dolores knows better than that to ever get physical, but once it got physical, it would be picking up Jackie's pieces

at that point.

But no, I thought she had, and I look at Jackie evolving over the time she's been on the show.

Yep.

She came on as a timid little

rabbit, to the point where now she speaks her mind.

She came out with an eating disorder.

I like Jackie.

I think so too.

And I really didn't like her in the beginning, and I've had like a full 180 on her.

So I thought like for them to pull her back now, no, she's just getting started.

Thank you.

I did think the same thing.

Yeah.

So on an average, when you guys are not filming, how often do you see the boys?

The other house has has I see Joe Benango probably at least once or twice a week.

I see probably Joe Gorgon once every two weeks.

Bill Aiden and Evan probably

once every month, once every six weeks.

That's nice.

In fact, I just said, I just went to Bill.

Bill just did it.

I was hoping.

He just did a surgery on me.

I had a little basal cell, all right?

Carcinoma, which he removed from my chest.

And I was just hoping, please, I hope Jennifer didn't get in his ear before I came in to him.

I said, because shit, this is going to hurt.

When Bill does a surgery for you, does he charge you?

That's between me and Bill, but I got to be honest with you.

Guys,

that was the first time I ever used the services of Bill.

Incredible.

Really?

Incredible.

Not only from walking in, and it wasn't just me because I'm watching everybody else in the waiting room.

The way his staff treats people, the way Bill, Bill is so professional.

When he takes me in the room, we don't even talk about the show.

We don't even talk about the show.

All right.

And guys, look, regardless of what you say, I'm a big pussy.

All right.

I'm a big pussy.

All right.

I'll cry.

I'll cry.

I can see it.

All right.

So, Bill, make sure I don't hurt.

Make sure I don't hurt.

And he was great.

He was great.

He was so nice to hear.

Yeah, he's good.

He was good.

So what do you think is like, because we watch all the franchises and there have been husbands who have come and go in certain plot lines.

And you guys have this really magical way of totally being a part of the drama while also disassociating from it at the exact same time.

And I think that's why you've been able to create like really like a second group of housewives, house husbands.

How do you do that?

Like for like, how do you sit, because you have so much love for Dolores.

And let's say someone slighted Dolores and then you have to hang out with their husband.

All the guys on the show basically,

we didn't, it's an unwritten pack, an unspoken pack that we do not get involved in a woman's drama.

Okay.

So if they say something about our wives or they say something with respect to something that our wives did or ex-wives in my situation, all right, we don't take it personally.

All right.

This year it got a little bit personal with Bill and Evan.

And I got to be honest with you, Evan was sitting next to me.

I was surprised as shit.

When he said that, all right?

But otherwise, we do.

We try to keep it out of, all right, try to support our better halves, but at the same time, we try to keep it out of our relationships.

And I think we've done a pretty good job.

And the guys have been a part of the storyline.

I don't think it's my choice because one year we got Evan, next year that it's Bill, then it's Louie.

And believe me, it's not a choice of having any of those storylines up.

Because they've all been through hell and bad.

I mean, Louie's still going through it what do you mean Louie's still going through it I mean with the social media and the post and Teresa defending him you know

do you believe that Margaret was the one talking to the girls and putting all this stuff out about Louie no of course not absolutely not no I definitely do not

absolutely not I know that

Louie has some disgruntled ex-girlfriends and I know how vocal they are I know how listen they're they're they got some deep deep embedded hatred towards them right and it was sort of effective because he shared at the reunion that he actually got let go from his company yeah he did like it made an impact yes he did that's a company he started which is so crazy you know absolutely 100 but you remember something you know to put it bluntly guys and am i allowed to swear here

you don't fuck with margaret all right margaret's not gonna come after you unless she's got it she's she's got her arsenal right she she builds up her arsenal and gets to the bottom of it before she mentions it okay and uh yeah therese had made a mistake mistake, in my opinion, by not letting Louis talk.

Agreed.

Because when he finally spoke at the reunion, it was very redemptive for him, but it can't undo the months of turmoil that he experienced.

So well said.

Right?

Exactly.

And the entire year, both myself and Joe Gorg have been telling Louis, Louie, do me a favor, talk.

Yeah.

Because when he talks to us, we're talking, you can't help.

But number one, like him.

And number two, he's very articulate.

He's very articulate.

But Teresa, every time Louis goes to talk, Theresa is

screaming and yelling.

Yeah.

And she takes away from him explaining what all the questions people have.

She made him look bad.

She didn't give him the opportunity to help himself.

Thank you.

Which of the ladies would you say you are most afraid of?

Dolores, obviously.

Because I've been at the other end of Dolores many a time.

That's fair.

Otherwise, I'd probably have to say

the one I'm probably most afraid of is the one I get along best with, and that's Margaret.

Yeah.

We are Margaret, huge Margaret supporters here.

I love her.

And overall, I've got to be honest with you, we are the closest with Margaret and Joe.

Oh, you are?

Like, as a couple.

Yes, yes.

Yep, absolutely.

Joe's, I was just on the phone this morning.

Gotcha.

Because he works for us.

I do work for him.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Oh, right.

You guys could start like a company, you know, soup to nuts, house, husband, construction.

I love it.

I love it.

Keep your eyes open.

Yes!

Keep your eyes open.

Can't wait.

And you are confirmed still living with David.

Yes.

And you're loving it?

I got to be honest with you.

David don't want me to leave.

David's got a beautiful house, a big house we just built, and he was there basically by himself most of the time.

And David does work long hours, and just to have somebody there with him, he loves it.

And he's a great roommate.

And it's a shame because, but through Dolores, David is truly one of my, probably one of my four best friends.

That's so crazy.

Very modern.

Right?

It is.

It is.

Exactly right.

You know?

When you and Dolo start entering into new relationships, I imagine there's a learning curve with the new person because the way you guys operate your family is not common.

Correct.

And I imagine that it takes the person a little while to.

It has to be.

You have to be a secure person.

You have to be a secure person.

And that's one of the reasons, again, with Dolores' new boyfriend, Paulie.

I reached out when I saw getting serious and I said, Paulie, let's grab lunch or let's grab dinner, you know?

And he was a little standoffish, all right?

And no, he said, no, all right.

But because, and the reason I did it was the more you see Dolores and I together, the more you see you have nothing to worry about.

Yes.

All right.

You have nothing to worry about.

Because it used to be with my girlfriend and when Dolores was dating David, we'd all be at the shore house because the shore house is the one place where everybody goes together.

All right.

My kids are down there.

Dolores is down there.

Everybody's there together.

And you're down there, you know?

And you just see.

And I was just telling the story this morning, all right, with Dolores.

This is Dolores.

This is typical Dolores.

We didn't always, we were never always like this.

We went through a nasty divorce, okay?

Finally got to the point.

I said, Dolores, come on, we got to just, all right.

I said, listen, just give me the shore house.

Give me the shore house.

We just built a new house.

I said, seriously, you can have everything else.

Okay.

So anyway, we do it.

Go down to Shore's.

Divorce is over.

Dolores packs her clothes up on the third floor.

All right.

Put in a suitcase.

I'm saying, wow, she don't seem too upset about this.

Would she not like it?

All right.

Takes her suitcase, walks downstairs, down to the second floor, goes in the bedroom, mom packs, puts her stuff in the drawers.

I said, what are you doing?

She goes, I said you're going to have the house.

She doesn't say, I'm not coming here.

So for 20 years, she's had her own bedroom there.

That's why whoever she's dating, all right, came down.

But it's, I love it because we're all in the same place.

And I'd love to spend time with our children.

Yeah.

You know, I don't see Paulie doing that this year.

Although, let me tell you something, Paulie and I have come a long, long way.

And if you see on social media now and we're busting each other's balls back and forth, all right?

Obviously, he calls me Mrs.

Potato Head, which, you know, I get a little bit of a similarity to.

It's not far off, yeah.

You know,

you don't have to chime in and say, Zero, you didn't have to be a fan.

You could be so criticized.

Well, what I was saying to Frank before we started is like, I thought it was so funny during the reunion when everyone was like, Buzz Lightyear, Buzz Lightyear.

I'm like, Frank actually looks like Buzz Lightyear more than anyone else.

He's got bigger, whiter teeth.

It's projection.

It's projection.

Yeah, he's got bigger, whiter teeth than me, right?

So he does.

But, you know, and you'll see Polly on his own social media now puts Buzz Lightyear on.

All right.

He's leaning in.

Love that.

Is he going to film?

Does he embrace the show?

I think more than David.

I think more than David.

Good.

David.

Does that threaten your position or no?

You're just in.

I got to be honest with you.

I thought it would definitely lessen my position here.

But we're starting to film this year and I'm getting a call from production filming more and more and more than I ever have before.

All right.

When I thought this year was going to be a little bit of relaxation.

But no.

So you're integral to the dynamic.

You really are.

So it's, it's, it's good.

Listen, you got Joe Gorga, who's as little as he is.

He's, he's, he's over here.

He's just, you know, you got Bill, who's at this end, all right?

And then you got the other guys all in between.

Yeah.

And I think I keep everybody in between because no matter the same you saw with Bill.

I tried to leave and try to bring Bill back.

Okay.

I try to keep piss.

I'm pissed.

I try to keep peace.

I try to keep peace.

I really do.

I just, I want everybody to get along.

Yeah, I think you really have taken on a role as like someone who's sometimes, more often than not, like a voice of reason.

Oh, I hear it all the time.

Oh, yeah.

It's nice to have that around.

I hear it all the time.

My kids bust my balls out.

You know, my favorite part of the season?

I knew you were going to say that.

Yeah.

Like, I had so much respect for you.

When Teresa was acting like an animal and flipped the table in Nashville.

Yeah.

And, you know, Melissa followed her out and Jennifer followed her out.

And then Dolores was like, I'm going to go with her too.

Which I was just like, Dolores, this is your dinner.

Teresa was the aggressor here.

Absolutely.

You're going to leave Jackie like with no one around when she, I mean, not Jackie, Margaret.

You're going to leave Margaret with only Jackie.

It was like, it felt so fucked up that everyone was going with Teresa.

And you told Dolores, no, we're staying.

We're staying with you.

And I loved that.

We're the host.

You're the host.

It's not like Margaret was wrong there.

She got a whole fucking table flipped on her.

And I had a lot of respect for that.

I really liked that.

Thank you very much.

And if you notice, Dolores didn't put up a fight whatsoever.

She knew right away.

She knew right away.

And we do,

we really, we really are close friends.

We really are.

And if one of us feels strongly about something, normally the other one just gives in.

Yeah, and you respect each other's opinions, which is very mature.

Absolutely.

She's the mother of my children.

She's an incredible mother.

So I would never do anything to disrespect her.

No, and it's been really just so fun to watch.

And And I feel like we're at this place in the show where really I look forward to your guys' scenes just as much as the ladies.

And I just, we wanted to invite you on our show to say thank you for your service.

Oh my God.

Thank you.

To use our platform to meet our hero.

Oh my God.

Please make me blush.

My God.

I enjoy what we do.

I love doing what we do.

I love filming.

I have fun.

And as long as it continues to be fun, I'd love to continue to do it.

Do you guys get paid to be on the show or just the women?

No, the women.

Men do not get paid to be on the show.

What we do, though, is we get a lot of perks.

Like, we get paid for a lot of other things that are ancillary to the show

that come with Bravo.

So, it's listen, is it worth the time that we put in?

Probably not.

Right.

But as long as it doesn't interfere with our day jobs, all right, because things have been really, really busy for us lately.

And Dolores and I are going into an entirely different area now.

And we've gotten heavily into New Jersey now with the cannabis.

All right.

So, and it's taken off, and it's taken a lot of time,

but we're hoping to integrate it into the show.

Yeah, no, it's all synergy.

It all works.

Exactly.

We have a good time.

Yeah.

As long as you're always having a good time.

This year, it was rough.

The women lost their mind.

The reunion was wild.

Yeah, and also because the men were more involved than they'd been in the past, so it couldn't be church and state like it usually is.

And again, I see a lot of social media who love the men, an overwhelming majority.

But you also have the people on there.

This is a housewife show.

Why are they showing the house husband so much?

All right.

So I think it's a good idea.

Such a bad take.

The girls that get it, get it.

The girls that don't don't.

But I thought they were going to pull back on the guys a little bit this year.

But no, we started production.

Oh, my God.

So

the guys are all definitely.

We're very happy to hear that.

Speaking of guy content, they tease on Watch What Happens Live that an ultimate girls trip husband's edition

might be in the works.

Who would you want to be?

If you were asked to go, who would you want to see there from other franchises?

I listen.

Obviously, Mauricio.

all right oh all right i get a lot of dms for pk all right oh he's great i don't know if pk's gonna fit with us though all right

he throws down he does yeah you gotta have thick skin with us yeah you have to have thick skin i think he does i actually think he'd be a really good fit me too you know juan dixon

all right that's interesting guys love him the guys love him they do all right he's i gotta do and we we did a couple things together i think it was me and joe gorgon and him and uh we meshed pretty well

we meshed pretty well so i i think we we would have a good time.

It would be a rough.

It would be interesting, for sure.

Oh, my God.

It would be a rough.

I would totally watch that.

It would be so good.

I don't know whether I'd watch it.

I'd be embarrassed.

Well, I can't wait to see that.

I can't wait to see more of you all over Jersey.

Thank you.

Thank you so much, seriously, for being here.

Everyone, follow.

Where do people follow you on Instagram?

Frank underscore Catania underscore senior.

S-R.

All right.

And if they're looking, if some of our younger viewers are looking for Frankie, where would they say that?

Just Frank underscore Catania.

Okay, good.

Don't get it it twisted.

I was going to say, try not to, all right?

Way too many explanations, you know.

Well, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you guys for watching.

Have an amazing day, and we'll see you tomorrow.

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