S4 Ep195: Astroworld, the NYC Marathon, and Shah-rrested: Monday, November 8th, 2021

Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the Morning Toast.

Happy Monday.

I'm sorry that it's Monday.

I wish there was something I could do, but there's not.

There's not.

But you know, it's another great week, another great fall week.

The weather is just

sublime.

It's as good as a Monday could be.

Sublime, yes.

Sublime.

It's as good as a Monday could be.

Plus, if we're looking on the bright side of things, even though it's starting to get dark, we did get an extra hour of sleep this weekend, which this morning came to me in such a real way.

Like, I had, and you want to know why and how, because I actually stayed up late last night reading, but then Brew woke up his internal body clock.

Like, he doesn't know about daylight savings, he doesn't know shit.

And so, I literally woke up an hour before I usually do.

Yes.

And I saw that I had an hour, and I was like, this is so brutal.

Yeah, no, me and Ben woke up at our alarms, and we were like, oh my God, we thought we slept till 11.

I definitely felt it.

It was such a pleasure,

especially because when you, if you're out on daylight savings savings and it goes from being about to be three to like two o'clock again.

Or no, the opposite, about to being two to being one, you get an extra hour of being at the clubs.

It's the best.

And like, I've been there a lot of times.

I've also been when you're at the club and it suddenly is four o'clock in the morning.

That fucking sucks.

But I don't recall recently being home on a Saturday night when we got an hour and it was just like, I watched all of Waco.

I have to tell you about it.

I mean, you don't have to tell me about it.

No, I have to tell you about what I'm going through since then.

It's, for me, it was a transformative experience.

It changed the way that I look at the world.

Yes.

It was

horrible.

Horrible.

I mean a good show and Taylor Kitch was amazing.

Of course, after I watched, I went and looked up what all the people looked like.

David Kresh crushed it.

David Kresh.

David Kareshed it, okay?

But, you know, this story, and of course, it was before my time.

I knew nothing about it.

Now I understand why Chip and Joanna Gaines are so successful because I guess before Chip and Joanna Gaines, like you couldn't say the word Waco without thinking about the massacre that the FBI committed.

And now you think about Waco and and you think about like fix her upper.

So I get why they're successful, but oh my god, like, first of all,

the only thing I didn't like was like, it's still pretty unclear what actually happened because, of course, the few survivors, David Thibodeau.

Oh, and then, wait, I was having this crazy experience watching the show because I was like, Ben, I'm trying to tell you, girl, like, no, it's separate, but it was nine o'clock.

I'm like, Ben, let's watch something, but I want to watch SNL.

Roman from Succession is going to host.

And only when they announced Kieran Culkin as the host for SNL did I realize that Roman from Succession is Macaulay Culkin's brother.

Welcome to the world.

It's a pleasure to be here.

Okay, wait.

Welcome.

Then when I'm watching Waco,

there's this guy who looks so much like

who looks so much like Kieran Culkin.

I'm like, what the fuck is going on?

And then I look it up, and there's another brother.

I think his name is.

I don't know.

These Culkins are just running around.

I didn't even know that there was more than one.

It was the craziest meta experience.

I didn't even end up watching SNL because we got so into Waco.

We stayed up till what would have been three in the morning, but it was really like two.

Waco, we'll do that to you.

Oh, my God.

So here's my question about Waco.

There was definitely some loose ends because the FBI is maintaining that they did everything they had to because there was children being abused in that

compound.

Compound.

But was there ever any evidence that there were children being abused?

There was evidence.

So, I mean, I'm not going to be able to remember everything, but like David Koresh, like, did marry the little sister

when she was like underage.

That's illegal.

Yeah.

Well actually no,

the father gave her a wedding permission.

So in Texas it was completely legal.

Not that I'm debating.

I'm just saying they weren't breaking the law.

There was like, you know, nefariousness within the cult.

It wasn't all kosher.

No, there was a time.

There was religious nefariousness.

What I remember from it was like everyone there was there on their own accord.

They had cars.

Right.

They could go here.

They could go there.

They were during the hostage situation.

David was like, you guys can leave.

Yeah.

So it just really made me think.

I, like you, didn't know the story.

I knew that Waco had some nefarious meaning to it, but I didn't know the story at all.

And of course, with everything, you have to, you know, evaluate who's telling the story.

And there are two sides to every story.

I did feel like Waco, this telling of it, was Koresh friendly.

Yes, but it's the Kresh side.

At the time, it was so anti-Koresh.

Right.

So this was the other side of the story.

Everyone's heard the other side for the last 20 years.

Right.

Like, do you sit and hold, like, do you have a standout with the FBI for 51 days just because you had guns?

Like,

no, they had, they had some losses.

Like, Ruby Ridge, they were there to, like, make a point.

ATF.

Yeah, no, I got, I got that.

And I didn't understand why they were showing us all these old hostage situations.

Like, they were just showing us the condition that the FBI and the ATF were in.

Like, they were trying to prove a point.

They were trying to, like, make their bones on Waco and the Branch Davidians.

Yeah.

And it's unclear if there was even enough there there.

No, they had guns because they were like paranoid freaks, but they weren't going to kill anyone.

I just have to say, like, the final scene where the gas and the fire, like, I was.

Spoiler alert.

I was.

I trigger warning.

It's literally a 10-year-old show.

No, but I didn't know that that's...

I didn't know when that.

When the show is old.

Oh, wow.

Everyone's already seen it.

But I didn't know that that's how it was going to end.

No, me neither.

I think I remembered hearing there was like this.

you know, catastrophic ending, but I didn't know what.

And I just wasn't prepared for that final scene.

I was frozen.

I was like devastated.

I just couldn't go to sleep afterwards.

It was the worst thing I ever saw in my life.

And Melissa Benoist was incredible.

Incredible.

So was Taylor Kitch.

It was a great show.

It was a great show.

Six episodes, nice quick watch.

You know, I don't like to watch things that are too long, but oh my God.

Like, if you'd like to know where I went from there in terms of similar content.

No, I'm not, I don't want to like terrorize myself anymore.

No, but I was just like then in this like 90s crime mood.

I watched Richard Jewell.

Oh, Richard Jewell looks so sad.

It wasn't, I didn't, I didn't find it to be very good.

Oh.

But I watched Manhunt Unibomber.

Oh, I've heard of it.

And I thought that was really good.

Again, you've heard of the Unibomber, but do you know what he did?

No, and I really don't want to sound stupid, but like I've heard of the Unibomber, but like I don't know what...

That is.

Right.

That's how I felt too.

Okay.

And then I watched it, and now I know.

I'm actually going to watch next the Gwen Gwen Shamblin documentary.

What's that?

She was like this.

Brian watched it.

He said it was so wacky.

Is that that woman?

Yeah, she like started like this crazy cult.

What's it called?

I don't know, but I don't know.

But doesn't

Waco.

I mean, after I watched Waco, I did a lot of research about cults.

Brand Chavidians, and then it took me on this like path of like the definition of a cult, which is a very subjective term.

No, and I think also in this day and age, we just like throw that word around when like people who are doing things by their own accord, that's like that can't be considered a cult.

And that's what I think what I liked about the show was like they had these like benchmark moments with that radio show host who was just giving like a really fair and balanced perspective on like what the fuck was going on.

And he had this like expert on who was an expert in cults.

And the guy was like, cult is a social construct.

Yes.

And this is certainly not a cult.

All these people have, they're not being held there by violence or blackmail.

Like they have all

chosen this life and they love it.

And they can leave.

Right.

And so even though I think it's fucking weird, like, go live your life.

Go live your life on your compound.

Right, so you should watch this Gwen one, see if it is a cult.

Well, so I have no idea what it is.

So I felt that way about Lulau Rich.

They were like, it's a cult.

I'm like, really?

Everyone signed up and knew exactly what they were doing.

Having the time of their lives

there.

They're enjoying all the benefits until things got dark.

Like, that's actually not a cult.

Nexium was a cult.

They were branding people.

Like, we just throw the word cult around when we think what people are doing is weird and we can't relate to it.

But no, live your life.

Like, buy the leggings.

100%.

Yeah.

So it was, it was an eye-opening experience.

I know I'm always late.

Like you tell me to watch something and I have to wait a whole year because I'm so fucking stubborn, but I did it.

I just, I'm looking forward to the day when I say like, I'm watching this, watch it.

And then you turn it on like that day.

I feel like that's happened recently, no?

Yeah, like succession, you were a few days behind,

but it's always a fun, it's always a struggle.

And like, when will you just trust me?

It's a fun thing.

And then we can be experiencing these things together.

By the way, I'm so glad you brought that up.

Because it's not that I don't trust you.

I think I trust you implicitly.

Okay.

It's this thing that I have where it's like, and you bring it up all the time.

Like, if I don't want to do something, like, I will not do it.

Like, I'm so stubborn in like my own ways, creature of habit.

Like, if, like, no, you know?

Mm-hmm.

Sorry.

That's it.

Like, no.

Okay.

So it's a no.

Yeah, so it's going to be a no for me.

Okay, well, I'm glad I got to relive the feelings of Waco because I think it's so important.

It's such a terrible story.

Like,

and it was really hard to watch because I find Taylor Kitch to be like one of the hottest men who ever was created on this planet.

And he's out here looking ugly.

No, but it was a good, he was a great casting because you needed to feel like the magnetism of David Krushcheon how someone could fall into this.

And get over 100 people to like move into his house.

And David, I mean, Taylor Kitch is that guy.

Is that guy?

I love him.

It's sad that when Waco was on, it was on Paramount when it was on, and then it made it to the streamers.

I don't think a lot of people watched it live and like, it deserved to win awards.

Yeah, I agree.

But if it had won at an award show, I would have been like, the fuck is that?

Literally.

Yeah.

It was also like six, it was just, it was honestly like the perfect show.

I don't feel like they wasted our time.

I agree.

So, yeah, that's what I did this weekend.

It was your birthday.

It was my birthday.

I turned 29 successfully and it was such a nice day.

It was extremely low-key, but the family came over.

You're not like other girls.

Not like other girls.

Presents, cake.

We were chilling, laughing.

It was a lovely day.

It was good times.

So I had a really nice weekend.

Honestly, we ate so much food.

Like the next day, I was on the phone with Margo.

I couldn't even pick my head up.

Like I was full of pizza and cake.

It was like I went to a six-year-old's birthday party, but I would have had it no other way.

No, like that night, I had so much ice cream cake.

I was like coming down off of a sugar high.

I couldn't move a muscle.

I was like in pain.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I was sore.

And everybody brought me or sent me treats, sweet treats.

I got like such good stuff.

And I still have it in my house.

Like best.

Yeah, I had some banana bread for breakfast.

You know, I'll have banana pudding later.

Post-birthday treats and sweets.

But now I'm like still dealing with like I'm having too much sugar and I have to.

Bring it to the studio.

I could take it off your hands.

Oh, that's true.

I guess I could share.

The magnolia cupcakes I'll take.

Okay, I could share because I have the best of the best.

And I...

I want to eat it because it's all so good, but like, it makes you feel like crap.

It really does.

No, but that ice cream carvelle cake like sitting in your freezer and then every night before bed, you just like take a slice to your room.

There's actually like no feeling that's even comparable.

Yeah, I haven't even gotten into the Carvelle leftovers because I have to get into like the sitting leftovers.

And you know what?

The Carvelle leftovers, they have a long shelf life.

So take your time.

Right.

Take your time.

The, you know, the cupcakes, they don't.

The carrot cake.

The carrot cake.

I really did a lot of carrot cake yesterday.

So that was, that was good.

But it's just, it's overwhelming how much

how many sweets I got.

And so.

Because you're just so sweet.

I'm just so sweet.

So it was a really, it was a great birthday and a great weekend.

And we got the extra hour.

I feel rested, you know, I'm feeling good.

Yeah, I mean, honestly, I feel like also a lot of my weekend was consumed with like watching and reading about what the fuck went down in Houston.

Obviously, that's a story today.

And I feel like I tried to ingest as much as I could because it was all coming out so like slowly and then quickly.

And I was so, when I first heard about it, like I was like, what the f?

What?

Yeah.

Like it made no sense.

And I feel like a lot of it still doesn't make sense.

Yeah, there's a lot of different things going around.

That's obviously our first story.

And we'll get into it and we'll try and, you know, piece together everything that's come out so far.

and i think that the biggest conversation around it is just like where do you place the blame on this like that's what everyone's trying to figure out and everybody has their different opinions i and there's no right or wrong answer it's just like such a tragedy that

no one can make sense of and i the death troll has risen to 11 correct has it i believe

jesus okay yeah it's just it's literally the worst thing i've ever heard in my life

and it also it's just one of those tragedies that's it so avoidable, you know?

Yeah.

Like so many festivals go on year-round and they're well staffed and they're well organized.

And so I think it's just a combination of it being a really poorly run event.

And that does fall on Travis.

It does fall on Live Nation or whoever I think was Live Nation.

But it's also like this larger conversation around like the obsession with celebrities because, and you told me this, I never saw Travis' documentary, but this is like his thing.

Like he loves for people to like go wild, rage, mom.

If you're in this documentary, then the raging, you know, is congruent with what you know.

And I didn't know that before I watched the documentary, that that is the energy at his shows.

Like, people in the trees, people climbing up the lightpost, they encourage it, jumping down from like the balcony, breaking their legs.

I've seen that.

Yeah, it is a very chaotic atmosphere.

And I think for a number of different reasons that we'll get into, like, it turned extremely tragic

on Friday night.

So,

let's get into it.

Further ado, we'll get into the fast five stories that you need

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Okay, so news from this weekend, tragic, tragic news.

At least eight people are dead and many injured after a crowd surge at Travis Scott's Astra World Festival.

Members of a densely packed crowd surged toward the stage and were crushed against each other at Houston Music Festival on Friday night.

At least eight people were killed and scores of others were injured in the chaos.

Witnesses and officials said up to like 300 people were treated for injuries.

The victims who died were 14, 16, two were 21, two were 23, and one was 27 years old, while one one of the victims' ages remains unknown.

So the

10-year-old.

The 10-year-old is critically injured.

Oh.

But the victims, the identities have been coming out, but there's one victim that they can't identify.

They put out a picture

from the morgue of

a picture.

I don't know if they've been able to identify him yet,

but that's just awful.

It's so sad, you know, like when you, so

I've thought before that, like,

sometimes the way you go to festivals, like it is so many people.

It is, and in my mind, this was like something like, I'm like, that like gives me anxiety, like being around so many people.

But I think that like for the most part, people are, you know, behaved and they know how to like act.

But I think there's something about

like Travis's community that he really encourages like.

bad behavior.

Yeah, it's the raging, it's the mosh,

and it's the pushing towards the stage.

Right, so if you see videos from that day, before the concert even started, it was was right out.

People, you know, when you go to a concert and you like, you're in the parking lot and you have to like walk through all these like barricades, then there's a fence.

And people were just knocking down the fences.

There was like 50 people running.

People were getting stampeded, you know, in broad daylight.

Just trying to get into the festival.

Right.

So I think that there were so many like obvious security concerns before the concert even started that should have been, you know, addressed.

I know that the event was really understaffed.

And so I think everyone's just now thinking, like, who do we blame?

Like, it's because this is so upsetting.

There were young kids there because you were telling me he does like Fortnite.

He markets to young kids, too.

I think some people are like, why were there kids there?

But like, he's an artist for kids.

He does a Fortnite collaboration.

He has the like McDonald's, like, happy meal thing.

Like, he's very much

kids love him.

So that's why there were kids there.

Right.

Of course,

I was also like, wow, I didn't know kids love Travis Scott.

And then when you were telling me the Fortnite thing, I'm like, oh, that actually makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

So I just feel like it's this con like,

and like when we, when I heard this, of course, this was like the most shocking thing.

But then when you put all this stuff together, it's like not.

Yeah, no, especially when you, even the video, the hype-up video for this Astro War, where they use footage from old festivals and concerts of his, like, they're really hyping up like that chaotic energy and you know, the recklessness, really.

And I saw this morning the Houston police chief had warned Travis before the concert over like concerns over the crowd energy.

They were worried about swelling the anxious crowd, plus like this like post-pandemic energy, the price of the tickets.

Like they, they were, they were concerned.

In all, 50,000 people came.

No, 100.

Yes, I was reading something on Instagram last night that like now sources are, I guess it's like a PR thing that they're saying 50,000 people were there.

But when the concert first was announced, they sold out in minutes all 100,000 tickets.

But isn't that because it was Friday and Saturday?

That's how I thought of it.

Oh, that's interesting.

I'm not sure, but there.

Yeah, no, that's interesting.

They're saying that night there were 50,000 people, but maybe there weren't.

There's a lot of, so there's a lot to talk about.

There also wasn't a lot of security, so I'm sure people just came in.

Yeah, and also,

if you've read some of the first-hand testimony of people who were either witnessing like CPR being done or had it done on themselves, they were completely overwhelmed.

And the medics that were there were not prepared.

We're not prepared.

How could you, like,

no one expected this?

No one expected this.

So also, there is, like, TMZ has reported that a security guard was stabbed with an injection in the neck, and they are looking into claims that people were sticked with

drugs that might have caused them to collapse.

People aren't buying that.

No, they're saying it's like a PR spin because then you can place blame on the person who was doing that.

Right.

And like,

I mean, I don't know.

It all sounds believable to me.

Like, this was a very low-security event.

You know, when we've been to many festivals, like, they literally check between your butt cheeks.

Like, they don't take this shit lightly because of so many terrible things that have happened in the past.

And you know what?

It's really annoying, but I'm always grateful for it.

Yeah, but like, you can't even bring in like a cigarette, like, they're insane.

Yeah,

so

what I've heard from people on the ground was like, it was a mess, like, there was no security.

So, the idea that somebody could have brought in a backpack full of needles and like started stabbing people with whatever, that the security guard had to be resuscitated with Narcan, like, that's not unbelievable to me.

No, and it would explain why so many people were unconscious.

But if you see footage of people who are like filming in the middle of the mosque, like begging for help,

no space, their lungs can't literally process one breath then no actually that doesn't make any sense like all these people and if you think about how many people were there and the fact that 300 people out of 50,000 like it's it's not normal no

so if you've read the testimonies like once Travis came up to the stage there had been festival going on all day once Travis came on everybody turned

towards the stage and the people towards the front like lost their footing couldn't breathe people on top of them and then people start falling to the ground and that's where it's like over because people just start

They don't see you, it's pitch black.

And also, the person behind you is getting pushed.

And so it's not, it's, it's coming from so far.

Far back.

Now,

there's videos of Travis seeing what's going on in the crowd, seeing people pass out and continuing to sing.

And a lot of people are saying that he should have stopped the show.

And of course, in hindsight, he should have stopped the show.

Right.

And also now, a lot of videos are populating, like, because when you think like, stop the show, what do you mean?

It's a performance.

Now people are just showing videos of Adele, Billie Eilish, Niall Horan, like literally every famous person, videos of them stopping shows.

And just being like, everyone, take three steps.

Step back, get this girl water.

Harry Styles did it.

Like, it's not, for me, it sounds like I've never been to a show where someone stopped the show.

But you know what?

It happens a lot because it is the responsibility of a performer to make sure everyone around them is okay.

And in those situations, the performer is the only person who has power, who has the power.

So who people can heal?

And people who are listening to.

Like, when he says jump, they're jumping.

He says quake the ground.

They're quaking the ground.

And so I'm sure a lot of people saw the video of that girl climbing up to the camera guy saying, stop the show, stop the show.

There's people that are dying.

And he's, I mean, he didn't stop the show.

He could have, you know, walkie-talkied and tried to help.

But

the only person who could have actually made the show stop or made a difference is Travis.

And I think that, so there's all these videos.

And so, and...

The videos that he sees like people being lifted out of the crowds.

But again, like that is commonplace for a Travis Scott show.

People People go unconscious.

Right.

And weirdly thought people were dying.

Right.

Weirdly, that is something that is considered normal at a festival for someone to.

Especially at a Travis show, a Travis Scott festival.

Yes, that someone is unconscious, they get crowd surfed out, and they're going to get the medical attention that they need.

So he's seeing that.

He's not stopping the show because I think he thinks that that's normal.

I don't, and what they've said is he had no idea people were dying in there.

I mean, okay, so like, this is like something we've been talking about recently.

Like, when you see a video and it's like he's like, like seeing someone being passed out, carried out, and continues to go on with the show, like, oh man, he knew someone died and he kept going on.

I have to imagine, and this is just me being an eternal optimist.

I have to imagine that if Travis Scott knew like people were actually dropping dead, he would have stopped the show.

Like, that's just what I, so I think that what he saw from his vantage point, and this is just me again, and people are running to blame him, and I do blame him like 100%,

but I don't necessarily think it's fair to assume he knew what exactly what was going on I don't think that he did either but he has a responsibility to be more responsible to look out for stuff like that when you're putting people in such a compact chaotic environment you need to be worried about the worst case scenario and if like your brand is going to be this like crazy mosh swinging from trees you have to have not only the average like the the the base amount of security protocols, you need to go above and beyond.

And not only did they not even have the average, they didn't go above and beyond, they didn't even have the average.

Like they had no staff, no security, so few medics.

So if you're going to encourage that fucking psychotic behavior, you also have to compensate with making sure people are, at the end of the day, safe.

And they were not.

They were not.

And just if you're looking at the crowd and they were screaming, but again, it's hard to hear them saying stop the show over what he hears.

He has things in his ear, but like, you need to be watching for these things if this is the environment that you're fostering.

Yeah.

And honestly, like, it is really chilling to see like the video of literally this, like one medic trying to give multiple people CPR.

There's sirens in the middle of the crowd, and Travis is like looking like,

yeah, and so people are upset also because Kylie was there with Stormy and Kendall, and they were filming the night.

And in one of Kylie's videos, you see an ambulance driving through the crowd, and people are like, she's there enjoying her life, like she sees an ambulance, and still nothing was done.

I mean, I've never seen an ambulance at a music festival.

I haven't been to that many, and I never get into the thick of things, really.

But I also think that that is something that doesn't, that doesn't mean like that the absolute worst thing has happened.

No, of course, because again, at concerts and especially at Travis Scott concerts, people are so excited, they pass out.

I agree.

I think a lot of people are looking, again, for someone to blame, and the Kardashians are such an easy

group to blame.

I do think the only kind of problem I have with with Kylie and the Kardashians in all of this is just kind of like a like a lack of response.

Like all we got was like an Instagram story statement.

Like, I don't know, I just feel like more could be done.

Roddy Rich has announced that like he, every dollar he's made net is going to the families of the people who lost their lives.

And I just think like Travis and Kylie have just like been putting out like

like nothing like Instagram like garbage.

Yeah.

And it's it's disappointing because

in no way is Kylie responsible, but like people look look to you and you were there.

Like, and you had security and you got you and your daughter out safely.

But like most people don't, nobody else has that luxury.

So I just think like the lack of like a real empathetic response is really disappointing.

Yeah, they definitely could be doing more.

Now also people are starting to sue.

So Live Nation and Travis and Drake was there too.

And injured fans are suing.

And that's, by the way, that's kind of what brought this whole thing to a head is like it was already crazy.

People were dropping and then he brought Drake out.

Yeah.

And so the surge just went even further.

And honestly, I don't know how Travis Scott goes on from here.

I don't know how he performs live ever again.

I don't know either.

But I also think this should be like a lesson in just festivals in general.

Yeah, because I've always felt that like this large group of people, it just doesn't make any sense.

It should really be like a grid, like there should be like little bottles, like it just doesn't make sense and it needs to be changed.

Yeah, I agree.

And so

I don't think there's just one thing that could have changed it or is the reason for it, but I think it it highlights a bigger issue and just like this culture of chaos,

like it just needs to be reevaluated because this can't happen.

And now, like, when you see all the elements put together, it's like a disaster waiting to happen.

Right.

You're like, How did we not see this coming?

But then, when we, when I first heard about it, I'm like, holy shit, you're like, How does this happen?

I'm like, eight people died at a concert.

I'm like, okay, well, did someone come with a gun?

Like, it just doesn't make any sense that eight people just dropped dead.

Yeah.

So it's, it's literally like the worst thing I've ever heard.

Like, when you, when you see the videos, it's all over my TikTok.

It is so sad.

And people just telling their stories, like literally, this girl was like, I fell, and some random person picked me up and literally saved my life.

Yeah.

Like it's just, and that's what it was.

There was no staff.

No one could get through.

So it was literally just everyday concert goers.

Like that girl who tried to tell her, she's a fucking hero.

Fucking hero and the guy on the ladder who was up there with her.

Right.

And he's like yelling at the people who are yelling at him, like calling him down.

I think they called him a bitch because he was like trying to stop the show.

Right.

So it was just like,

it was like the, like the weirdly, like the best of humanity, like people just helping people.

They don't know the worst.

So people didn't know what they were doing when they're running forward.

Like, I don't think anyone thought, like, oh, let me mosh in this crowd.

It might kill someone.

Like, that's just not something most people think.

Yeah.

Like, I don't think any of nobody was ever trying, like, smush so hard that we're going to collapse people's lungs, but we're like, yeah, let's go hard.

Like, I don't think that.

And eventually, no matter how hard you mosh, there's a hundred thousand people behind you pushing up.

It's out of your control.

Yeah.

so it's just it's a horrible fucking story, yeah, and it so should not have happened.

And so, people are angry, and people are looking for someone to blame.

Travis is the most obvious choice, he really is, yeah.

And they're also coming for Kylie, they're coming for Kylie, and I just, I don't know what

that does, me neither because I'm sure she saw it getting out of hand and she left early with her eight security guards

and she's pregnant and she had her baby, but

it's like if she had sensed like shit was going wrong, like how how could she not tell Travis, you know?

But she wasn't near him.

Well, she went backstage.

She could have told someone.

Yeah, I don't know.

But I don't know what she saw again.

That's like, it's hard to, you know, and it's crazy.

She's just like, oh, it's, this is getting out of hand.

This is Travis's thing.

Let me get Stormy out of here.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

The show went on for like 40 more minutes once it started.

He like finished the show because he didn't know.

But he is saying now that he cut the show short.

Oh.

And like it was supposed to be like 175 minutes minutes and it was 100 or whatever.

I don't maybe not those exact numbers.

But he said on his Instagram stories that he cut the show short.

I think that's his PR team saying.

And maybe it was cut like five minutes short or 20 minutes short.

Yeah.

But not as short as it should have been cut.

Yeah, definitely.

I just, I mean, I'm sure for them, it's like, you know, he didn't know it at the time what was happening.

But he's the only one who could have

done anything.

And like that is something he has to live with.

Yeah.

It's it's uh and he posted like those Instagram stories being like extremely distressed.

I can't imagine.

No, oh my god.

It's it's horrible.

And like there's still so many people are injured like critically.

Right.

So and you said that you saw that the deaths were.

I did, but you didn't see that, so I don't want to misspeak.

I didn't see that.

Let me just look it up.

Okay.

Yeah.

We could come back to it.

Yeah.

Oh, it still says eight.

Okay, I saw 11 on TikTok.

I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to misspeak.

No, I wasn't.

Which was three hours ago from the New York Times.

So,

yeah, just a horrendous, horrendous thing that happened this weekend.

That's so sad and honestly just like so unfair.

Yeah.

You go to a concert to enjoy your life.

How do you die at a concert?

You know?

Like, when you go to a concert.

It's like the height of like happiness.

Yeah.

And of course, whenever you leave your house or you're out in public, you think, okay, what's the worst thing that could happen to me?

And I guess at a concert, the worst thing is like, maybe someone slipped something in my drink.

Like, that's what is on my mind.

Like, never does it ever occur to me that I could die at this concert.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really, really

crazy.

Travis refunded all the tickets.

Obviously.

Obviously.

And

I just hope that the families of

are being properly compensated, taken care of, and are just like.

I can't even imagine like sending your kid to a concert and he dies.

A 14-year-old.

Horrible.

Ninth grade.

Oh, stop.

That's so sad.

Beyond.

Anyways,

we'll keep you posted.

Just think of everyone.

Yeah.

Are we ready for our next story?

Yes.

Major pivot.

Please.

In the largest way.

Another big event this weekend took place and it was the New York City Marathon.

Oh, yeah.

And the stars came out to run.

Yes, a lot of bachelor people.

The Bachelor took over the marathon.

We had Tyler C.

and Matt James running together.

Tayshia and Zach ran together.

Peter Weber ran.

ran.

Peter Weber ran?

Yeah.

Oh, he didn't make the headline.

Well, because somebody did,

somebody on TikTok did like a list of all the Bachelor Nation people who ran and in order of like slowest to fastest.

And Peter was the slowest person who ran.

And Tayshia and Zach were, they were faster than Tyler C and Matt.

But I did see a lot of videos on TikTok of Tyler C and Matt like stopping saying hi to people all along the way because people were like dying.

So maybe that's why.

And okay, so I don't know why yesterday I was like kind of into the marathon conference.

Of course, I love seeing people achieve their goals.

And especially when people are running for a cause that is so important to them.

And I didn't know this until recently, but like to get into the New York City Marathon, like it's like getting into college.

No, it's hard.

You have to be accepted.

You have to like raise all this money in order to do it.

You would think they got to pay people to do the marathon.

Literally.

But like you literally have to pay.

No, and like you can't even beat Mike Dorman, who runs marathon every year.

He was supposed to run in 2020.

And I guess like, obviously it was canceled.

So then this is the most recent one.

And there were so many more people.

He had to be shoved till next year.

Wow.

He couldn't even run this year.

Right.

So like, it's a very prestigious thing to be even able to enter and to get on, you know, get on these streets.

So Tyler C was running for his mom, the Angira C.

Cameron Foundation, which is so sweet.

So nice.

And so I just was thinking about how it must feel to like finish that physical feat and then also the emotion of like what you're doing it for.

For your mom or your cause or whatever.

No, totally.

It just like was really getting me in my feels.

And I was, I had a crazy thought, which was like, no, Jackie, please seriously stop.

Don't even say what you're about to say.

I had a crazy thought, which was like, I would like to know how that feels one day.

Are you going to run the marathon?

Seriously, please don't talk to me.

Like, honestly, not anytime soon.

Okay.

I'm in no state in my life to run the marathon.

But it's on your list of things to do.

It was the first time I was like.

You could understand why people did it.

Understand.

Yes, exactly.

Okay.

Yeah.

Remember when when Olivia ran the half marathon?

Yeah.

You know what?

She really did that.

Like she really did that.

I like disassociated from that, but like she low-key ran 13 miles.

Like that's crazy.

Really crazy.

I mean, just the whole marathon concept.

And like, so I was watching Tatia's stories and it was so cute because like people spotted her and like tagged her.

And just you're, she's literally all over the city.

She's uptown.

She's downtown.

Skyline.

Like it's just so crazy.

Yeah.

I don't know why the marathon just hit different this year.

Because you're like hella emotional with your pregnancy.

Me, yeah.

But it is this like gorgeous thing like it's a gorgeous thing it really is yeah i'll never know what that's like but i'm really happy for other people how long does it take to walk the marathon well eventually if you're going so slow they cut you off like the thing can't go on all day right like traffic is being cut up so i i've heard people who have like five hour times

like the really good people do it in like three yeah i think like uh Zach and Tayshia were like five hours.

Yeah, which is amazing.

I don't know at what point do they literally say go home, but like if you're all the way in in the back and it's clear, you're not.

So I don't know if you can really walk the whole thing.

Because what is like a walking a mile?

Like 15 minutes?

Yeah.

So it's 26 times 15.

Hit us with the calculator.

390

minutes.

60.

Six and a half.

That actually doesn't sound so bad.

A 15-minute walking mile, though, I think is like quick.

Oh, is it?

For every mile.

Yeah.

I mean.

Yeah, for every mile.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, just interesting stuff.

Congratulations to everyone who ran.

If we have any toaster marathon runners,

congratulations.

Seriously, be so proud of yourselves.

Totally.

Like, are you, what do your legs feel like today?

Oh my god, they must feel like jelly.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Crazy marathon takes.

Also, it was an absolutely beautiful day.

It was a perfect day for a marathon.

Really, really was.

Okay, ready for our next story?

Sure.

Kanye West is apparently dating model Venetria amid Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson rumors.

I'm sorry.

Kanye is so messy.

Like, you literally just went on a radio show and were like complaining that you and your wife are getting divorced.

Like you want to be a family, but you also have a girlfriend who was at Sunday service yesterday.

So was Kim, though.

Okay.

Right?

Did you see that?

No, I didn't.

I saw Kim and North were at Sunday service in L.A.

yesterday.

So that just like warms my Kim Ye's heart, you know?

But I also want them to have people on the side.

So

this situation is working for me.

Sure, sure.

Sources tell Vage6 that the rapper who said in an interview tape last month that he still wants to be with estranged wife, Kim, oh, he said that in an interview was taped last month.

Oh, taped, but I guess it aired last week.

Yes, but it was after SNL, clearly.

So it was like probably two weeks ago.

Right after, yeah.

He has been hooking up with Venetria for a while now, where Page 6 is also told that Venetia was in Miami with Kanye when he recorded the now viral interview and was seen at his Sunday service last weekend.

Their situationship appears to be taking a more serious turn.

They attended their first public event together this weekend, his Donda Academy's debut basketball game in Minneapolis.

Oh, wow.

Because they were photographed courtside.

Oh wow.

So this isn't just like whispers.

It's not just like Irena Shake.

No, but there was pictures of them.

Was there?

Yeah, like on a plane, on the like the private plane.

Yeah, I mean, this is cute, whatever.

Like, I just...

I just don't really know what's going on.

Like, I'm feeling very in this like

transitional phase where it's like, they're together, they're not together.

He wants to be together.

She is a boyfriend, but like, is it real?

Like, I'm just, I'm feeling very confused and like very on edge.

You know what I'm feeling like?

I'm feeling like every day is different for all these people.

Like, they're in a state of transition.

I feel like one day they wake up and they're good, and the next day they see something about the other, and it's like, you know, beef.

I feel like they're as confused right now as we are, honestly.

I mean, if it definitely feels that way, yeah, but I'm glad that like if Kim is with Pete, which I want her to see this thing through, then Kanye should be with Venetria.

Yeah.

Well,

you know, I have a wedding this weekend that Kim is going to be at.

Yeah, and

we look forward to all the tea that you'll bring.

You want to know what's like so annoying about my life, like not to make everything about me, but like I was invited to three celebrity weddings.

They're all on the same weekend.

Dana 4.

Dana.

Yeah.

She's a podcast host.

I was literally invited to three celebrity weddings.

They're all on the same weekend and I can only go to one.

Is that not right?

That's not right.

Like the universe knows how much I crave like celebrities.

Yeah.

And to put it all on one weekend, it's just not.

But But maybe like this just means you've reached a new tier of celebrity yourself if like

you're invited to four.

No, I really like that.

You're four times the celebrity that you once were.

You're really putting a nice spin on it.

I really like that.

But I feel like I'm going to the best one, you know?

I have no qualms about the one that you know.

Like Simon's one of my best friends.

Like, I have to go.

And if I like was thirsty and like left, he would be like, what the fuck are you doing?

Simon's wedding is going to be sickening.

Sickening.

And you know what?

I will report back on what I say.

Yeah.

Just keep your eyes open, ears open, legs open.

Always.

Okay.

Anyways, I'm happy for Kanye.

Just keeping up with the Kardashians.

It's not as easy as it used to be.

It's not as easy as it used to be, but it's exciting.

Excitement excites me.

And Femi Skims drops tomorrow, and I'm feeling overwhelmed.

Oh, yes.

And I've gotten a lot of DMs that it's going to be in stores.

It's like in cell storages.

It's like

it's in like boutiques and stuff.

So I don't know if this is going to be like selling out so fast or it's just a mainstay collection.

It's expensive.

So like things like that expensive don't sell out in five minutes.

But like sometimes the bots hop on they buy it all and then they market on it and it's like Yeezy.

Yeah.

You know Stock X.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's gonna be me.

I'm gonna have to wake up early for this.

What time is it at?

9 a.m.

Eastern.

Oh, right?

It's my calendar.

I think it's so 6 a.m.

Pacific.

That doesn't make any sense.

I feel like it's 12 a.m.

It's when the store is open, probably.

Oh, I mean, maybe I should just go to the store.

I don't know.

I didn't even plan my buy.

Like, I'm just feeling really stressed.

We'll get through it.

Don't worry.

Okay.

I need a fucking line sheet.

Can someone send one to me?

Oh, yeah, of like all the stuff.

Yeah, I've been looking for it.

And

I only just see like promo pics.

Yeah.

That's a good question.

I don't know.

Someone needs to be asking the tough questions here.

I agree.

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Our next story, a little more romance news.

Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez kiss during airport

drop-off.

They say it's difficult for them to be apart.

For Ben and Jen, distance makes the heart grow fonder.

After spending the weekend together in LA, Ben brought J-Lo to the airport for a flight to Vancouver on Sunday.

While on the tarmac, the pair shared a passionate kiss

before they parted ways.

Yeah, no, they're definitely

not in business anymore.

yeah i mean honestly like i've just become so skeptical of everything these days like they definitely give me fraudulent vibes for sure i know that they were and maybe i don't really subscribe to everything that they do so to me it seems like they've been quiet for a while no they're like always like doing like staged walks through central park like they're like they're fraudulent a little bit okay but it's been a while now like yes it has so at what point does the fraud

turn for real.

I just don't know how like two people can constantly be getting caught doing PDA.

Like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, no, they're definitely calling the Papriza.

But that also doesn't mean if they're calling Paparazzi, it doesn't mean their relationship isn't real.

It just means they want to, you know, reap all the benefits from their relationship.

And I respect that.

I do.

Yeah, and I'm sure they also have like private moments.

You know, we only see them every once in a while.

It feels like a lot to us, but there's 24 hours in a day.

Yeah, no, I'm happy for them.

Honestly, I'm just happy.

Whatever this relationship bears fruit, whatever the phrase is, I'm just glad that like she came out on top of the A-Rod thing.

That's literally all that matters.

Yeah, no and i'm happy for him he seems really i'm just i'm here for all of it yeah he needs to

be like this book is closed like i feel like i can close the book like put it on the shelf like i will not be pulling it out anytime soon to like talk about a breakup right no they're like together for the foreseeable future right yeah i mean that would be great Because I just don't think you go back to an ex like that and in such like a public way, someone who you're so serious with, and it's not going to be like, okay, this time it's, we're sticking together.

That like is so crazy, like how they were literally engaged, right?

Yeah.

so they know each other, you know?

This isn't like but they're re-knowing each other in a more mature, beautiful way.

Yeah, they're getting to know each other again.

It's literally a Nancy Meyers novel.

Like, it's literally a movie.

Sorry, not at all.

It's literally like one of those movies that takes place in like Connecticut.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The big star.

Yeah.

Big star.

Home from the big city.

It's literally a hallmark movie.

It's beautiful.

Yeah, it's nice.

No, I'm not a hater.

I'm really not, but they're just like kind of thirsty.

But you know what?

Respect.

Seriously.

So much respect.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

Oh, yeah.

It's the final story.

Nice.

Crushed it.

Crushed it.

All right, for the Minal Stories little content news.

Faith Hill and Tim McGraw are star in the trailer for the highly anticipated Yellowstone prequel

1883.

Oh, wait, what?

New show is coming out called 1883.

It is the prequel to the show Yellowstone, and it is starring Faith Hill, who plays matriarch Margaret Dutton.

Do you watch Yellowstone?

I watched like the first two episodes and I literally thought it was so bad.

You're so wrong.

We'll see you in a year from now going on and on.

You have to talk about this new show you just found.

Literally.

So, yeah, we'll talk to you later.

Faith Hill plays matriarch Margaret Dutton and Tim McGraw plays the Dutton family patriarch.

It's the same family that's in Yellowstone, but it's about 150 years prior.

Oh, wow.

So also Sam Elliott is in the show and Billy Bob Thornton.

No, wait, the fact that like they're cast like husband and wife and their husband and wife is the cutest fucking thing.

Look at this promo pic.

It's like so

1883.

Tim McGraw is a good actor.

Like I know nobody gives him credit for his work in Country Strong, but he was amazing.

Blindside?

The blindside.

He's a really good actor.

I think a lot of people forget that because he's such like a superstar singer.

I have not seen Faith Hill act in anything, but there's nothing she can't do.

So I feel like this is going to be really good.

Yeah, it premieres December 19th on Paramount Plus, and I mean, it's going to be such a success.

Yellowstone came back last night.

I didn't watch.

I'm conflicted.

I kind of want to save, I want to batch them, but I don't want anything to be spoiled for me because last season ended on such a cliffhanger.

And so far, no one has spoiled anything.

You better fucking keep it that way.

But it's just, I don't know, so, so much going on.

Yeah.

So, but I'm glad Yellowstone is back because it really is the best show.

Yeah, and you know what?

I just realized.

I'll definitely be watching 1883.

Chris Lane and Lauren Lane, they named their child Dutton after

inspired by Dutton family.

That's crazy.

That is so cute.

It's actually a really cute name.

Yeah.

So yeah, I don't watch, and I'm sure I will, but like, honestly, I just didn't like it.

It was like so boring.

Like, it's a slow burn, but then there's the payoff.

I mean, not everything is going to be like, so the shows where like something dramatic happens all the time, not realistic.

You've got to invest.

Dynasty, that's so funny that you bring that up because that's what I've been binge watching, the new season.

I can't watch it anymore.

All week, I've been watching Dynasty and Weekend.

And you know what?

It's just, it's so ridiculous, but it really is just the perfect show for where I'm at right now because it's like little, it's like fun, funny, mindless.

Also, you know, there's a lot going on.

I am really enjoying it.

I really am.

It's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous.

It has some really great moments, though, and just like the love between Father House.

Fashion in the House.

Fashion in the House.

The love between Fallon and Liam is just so beautiful and strong.

Like

obsessed.

Obsessed.

And the cat, I mean, actually something happened on one of the episodes that actually shocked me.

You could say it.

I'm not going to watch.

No, it's like such a big spoiler.

Okay, I'm going to say it, you guys.

I'm counting down from 10 because this is a huge fucking spoiler.

Dynasty spoiler.

10, 9, 8, 7.

Get your remote.

6, 5, press pause.

4, 3, 2, 1.

Anders dies.

What?

Yeah.

No.

Out of like nowhere.

Why?

He got into a car accident.

Yeah, but you know what?

Knowing that show?

He'll be back.

Right, of course.

With like a new face.

Right.

But it was just like, what?

Caleb Nicol doesn't want to be on the show anymore?

No, literally.

He was such a mainstay, and he was like the best character.

I'm shook.

You know, usually someone like goes into a comb, like it's like one of those shows where like every soap opera.

Yeah, everything like happens, but no one's actually getting killed off, really, unless they decide they don't want to be on the show anymore.

So I was really surprised when that happened.

That's insane.

Yeah.

No.

I was like, what?

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And apparently the season gets crazier and I'm not even, I'm I'm not done yet.

So that's what I've been enjoying and it's been quite enjoyable.

Spoiler alert is over.

Thank you for sharing.

Oh, everyone can come back up.

Yeah, you can come back.

Well, speaking of TV, there was a lot of TV on last night.

We obviously are going to recap the first part of the reunion from Real House Highs of Potomac.

And last night we finally got a glimpse into Jen Shah's arrest on the Real Houses of Salt Lake City.

You guys, those last 15 minutes of Salt Lake City, like, I've never experienced something like that in my life.

I made Ben watch it.

I'm like, Ben, watch this.

When they're, like, sitting in the car talking about Jen and you see in the corners.

The first police, when they zoomed in, Jackie, I swear my knees buckle.

Like the fucking SWAT team dropped

on these housewives.

And it's like Homeland Security, NYPD.

Like it's the big guns.

And they were so unaware, like blissfully really believed Jen.

And I have to say, Jen kept her cool.

Unbelievably well.

How did she get a car to come pick her up so fast?

It was her aunt.

He was still there.

That was the truck she was dropped off in.

He was still there, I believe.

Or he might have left two minutes prior and came back.

Got it.

But I never saw him leave to begin with.

Whitney should have left her mic on.

But like, Whitney didn't think anything nefarious was.

No, of course.

Like, you get a private call.

You want to turn your mic off.

That's just like what girlies do for each other.

Okay, so let's do Potomac first.

Okay.

Potomac Reunion part one was pretty boring.

I'm not going to lie.

It was a lot of personal stuff, like Giselle's personal life,

Mia, how she met.

The thing is, like, everyone's just so nasty to Mia, and it bothers me so much.

Like, when Kennice had the absolute gall to call her a liar, when, like, Mia's been so open about every single thing in her life, that she was a stripper, she met her husband at the strip club.

Like, there's so much honor in that, and these women are just, like, so nasty.

Like,

they're so, so nasty, especially to Mia.

And I agree, she's not a liar whatsoever.

She's such an open book.

And I also like, like, Ami said this too.

Like, Mia's all over the place.

She flip-flops.

One day she says this, the next day she says that.

And she's like, I say how I feel and I feel different things at different times I actually understood that no but it's also a lesson in like why you shouldn't just say the first thing that comes to mind

but she's keeping it real yeah I think the most like important part of last night's episode um that Andy really did finally kind of like His job is really not to take sides, but just to ask questions.

But every now and then he does like have to make a point.

And I think the point that he made with Candace, which did not get through to Candace, but Giselle was 100% right on and everyone was just kind of wanting her to see, except for Wendy.

Like Wendy's blind spot spot is Candace because she like refuses to say anything bad about Candace.

Wendy is so annoying.

I'm sorry.

And I'm starting to like sympathize with Robin because 100%.

Every time Robin speaks, like Wendy comes in and it's like, can I say what?

Like, stop.

No, seriously.

She's so annoying.

It's, she's so annoying.

She doesn't let anyone else speak.

She's constantly like talking over everyone in such an annoying way.

She has seen like so many episodes of Housewives and she's written down like how to get attention and she's doing it all.

And it's working for her.

She's sitting next to Andy.

She has this big poster board.

Like she's just trying to have a moment zen wen like she's trying to have all of these things no but yes she does that like tick tock the clock yeah don't literally literally

she does those things like trying to be like during the medley but then she also like just doesn't let people speak even when it's they're not even it's not heightened like it's just right robin how are you doing i'm good yes well i'm good yeah yeah she's like escalating everything better like even like just calm conversations

i just i never thought i would be feeling feeling sympathetic towards right no totally this i'm i've had this like weird genesis because you know what like giselle is the worst but she's really the only one who was like going at candace like

maybe not intentionally but justice for monique yes no but it's like giselle is an you know unreliable

champion yes because it's like you liked it when it was she was going after your enemy so it's just like you're you're not consistent no not at all but andy did you have to be principled against this behavior and you know what the crying from candace like absolutely has to to stop because once she started crying in her record label meeting, I knew that her tears mean absolutely nothing and she could just do it on cue.

And so the crying over everything is just so fucking annoying and I just have no sympathy for it.

When she was crying, when she said that her in-laws watched a show and then she's like, go over there.

Yeah.

And that was like extremely real.

It was like awkward.

And I believed her when she says like, I think she's in a really tough spot with her husband and her mom right now.

Like, and I, I don't know where she's she's gonna go from here.

I think she's like, so in it.

Yeah, that did feel real for sure, but it's just like knowing that she can cry so on cue about like asinine things.

And I just don't, I don't have no sympathy for it anymore.

Like, yeah, even last year when she was crying so much, I'm like, why is she crying so much over this like cannis thing?

Like, it wasn't, I mean, this Monique thing, it like wasn't that big of a deal.

And it's like months later, and you're still crying.

And now I know it's because she can cry whenever she wants.

Yeah.

So I have no sympathy.

And Andy was finally just like, do you think that you're getting anywhere with the way you respond to people?

Not only like physically

provoking them, but also going so below the belt.

Big head, wide ass, big feet, like everything is just like such your mom.

Like everything is so below the belt.

Like you're getting nowhere.

And she's so standing her ground thinking she's right.

It's insane how you can be so wrong in every little thing that comes out of your mouth and be so like cavalier in your righteousness.

It's insane.

It's insane.

I just want to give a shout out to really all of the women because they looked amazing.

Unbelievable.

And I was trying to think of my best dress and there are so many.

Yeah.

And I could only think of the ones that I didn't like because I loved Candace's look.

Yeah, me too.

I liked Robin's silver.

I liked that she brought silver element.

I loved that off the shoulder Robin looked great.

Giselle was fine.

Ashley looked amazing.

Loved her hair, her dress, her glem.

She really did look like a Barbie.

Giselle looked fine.

Good.

Like, she didn't look bad, so she looked good.

Yeah, like, it was a dress like a, it was like Mother of the Bride.

She like understood the assignment.

It was fine.

It was fine.

Yeah.

I didn't like Wendy's dress.

It was just a lot.

Um

Karen's like I love Karen.

Karen looked great.

I'm sorry.

She looked regal and ethereal and beautiful and I just love her.

Mia looked amazing.

Amazing.

Scowl looked amazing.

Yeah.

All together, amazingness.

I don't know who's best dressed.

Like, because they all really wore like the same thing, but like different variations.

I don't know why I just like loved Candace's look.

She got a lot of fun for her

hair.

Oh, I like the hair.

I loved it.

And then I loved the dress.

I thought she looked great.

Very sophisticated, yes.

Yeah.

But everyone looked great.

Like, it was, it was a pleasure.

It's a pleasure.

So, yeah, it was like a part one reunion.

Like, nothing crazy happened.

Everyone, but really, Wendy is just like escalating every conversation.

It's like, we're just talking about like, you know, Giselle's kid getting her license.

Like, it's not, she was just like.

Especially for Giselle.

Like, she was just coming after everyone, but especially Giselle.

But she's just silent on the Candace stuff.

And it's so annoying.

Cause like, you know, I can use your annoying energy on Candace.

Yep.

But she doesn't do it.

Nope.

Also, when they they showed the Nicki Minaj video, like knowing that she's coming out, the video part was so awkward.

Okay, what was that blurry ass, like, tiny video?

I don't know.

I think they really expected that she would be there because she said that she would be there.

So they wanted to like throw them off.

I wonder if they were thrown off.

Yeah, I mean, Andy was being like a little too, like, she's really sad she couldn't come.

He said it like five times.

But you know what?

I wondered because it's like so many people are fans.

So many celebrities are fans of housewives.

Beyonce.

And so I guess it has to be like you have to be a big enough celebrity and you have to be wanting to come up.

Like, because we know like Rihanna watches

Vanderpump Rules.

Like, would she ever want to go to a Vanderpump Rules reunion?

Well, she never publicly asked like Nikki did.

Right.

I think Nikki's like really emotionally invested in like the storylines and she's like, she wants justice.

No, and I'm so excited for the justice she's going.

I'm literally so excited.

And I just.

What episode does she come?

Three?

Probably three, yeah.

I only hope that the name Monique comes out of her mouth because they do say last season, last season, they say binder, but they don't say Monique.

The best part of the entire episode was, and it was just the perfect point, is Giselle said, after you got so in Mia's face, threw the salad, said horrible things to her, and she clocked you, I would have been like.

Hmm, you know, like that's what everyone's thinking.

That's like, was the whole point with the Monique stuff.

It's like, you can't just berate someone and berate someone, berate someone, and be mad when they fight back.

No, and what's so crazy, this is where Canis' logic is just empty, where she's like, where they're like, you threw the salad at Mia first.

And she's like, I threw one piece of lettuce.

Doesn't matter.

What?

You started it.

Like, you gave the idea of salad.

Like, what?

Because it was one lettuce.

Yeah.

What do you, like, so how many lettuces until it's, it's too much lettuce?

Right, right.

Like, what is the equation of that?

So if I hit two lettuce, is that okay?

Or is that where we draw the line?

Two lettuce.

Totally.

Totally.

Like, and when Andy said, like, you're the common denominator, that just, like, needed to be said.

And it just, it went completely above her head.

Like, she just doesn't, she refuses to operate in a space where she could potentially be the problem.

It's, it's painful to watch.

It's giving Dorinda on her final season.

It's painful to watch.

Delusional.

So yes, I'm very much looking forward to what comes next, especially the Nikki Minaj of it all.

Like that is just so crazy.

It's historic.

Yeah.

So anyways, I just like wonder now, is this going to be something that might happen in a different city?

You know, and how big of a, like, so many, like, so many stars watch Bravo, they go and watch what happens if I, they comment.

Like, how big?

Well, I think the Nikki Minaj thing is different for a multitude of reasons.

One, she's, when you think of the people who love Bravo, you think like Christy Tegan.

Nicki Minaj is more famous than all of them.

Yeah.

And also, Nicki Minaj is like a fixture in the black community.

The show is like all about

lifting up black women.

Like, I think that it was like the perfect match.

No, no, no.

I'm so here for it.

I just wonder if it's going to open the door for more celeb cameos.

No, I don't think so.

I think we're witnessing a once-in-a-lifetime moment.

One and done.

I think we're witnessing a once-in-a-lifetime moment.

That works for me.

Me too.

I don't want more people coming in.

like, because you know, people have the worst takes.

I know, and then what if it's someone that we hate?

Like, it's exciting because it's Nikki, right?

And we're excited, yeah, and excitement excites us.

Yeah, but what if it's a

person that I don't want to see and I don't care about their opinion and they're wrong on everything, right?

And what if someone came in, like, Team Candice?

And I feel that way, like, when a lot of celebrities go on Watch Rappers Live and they like love Bravo and Andy asks them their opinion, like, they have the worst takes, like, ever.

Did you watch Watch What Happens Live last night?

No.

Okay, I had to because I just needed more Salt Lake City.

And was like, if you don't turn this TV off, I'm going to kill you.

Like, I was literally being held at like, yeah.

Okay, so Chloe Feynman was on with Lisa Barlow.

Yes.

And there were some really good moments, and she did all these impressions that were so fucking off.

She's so good.

But Andy was, usually he like cuts the game short because he suck ass.

But he like played the game till there was no more questions or cards left.

Like, because she was so good.

And Lisa had to, like, guess which, she had to say a quote in an accent of someone, and Lisa had to guess who said who she was doing.

No, no, no, not who she was doing because they told her who to do, but she had to guess who said the quote from Salt Lake City.

Got it.

And Lisa got every single one.

So together, they were just like a dynamic duo.

It was really fun.

But when asked all these different questions about Beverly Hills, Salt Lake City, like,

I didn't, her takes like stunked.

Jen?

I mean,

oh, Chloe.

It was infuriating.

Like, she barely answered each question.

And when she did, she didn't say anything.

And I just wanted to say that.

She probably doesn't really watch that.

No, she does.

Okay.

I think Andy double checks.

Yeah.

He does.

Okay.

No, she, it was clear that she watched shit.

It was just like she was giving us nothing.

Right.

So that's why, like, in the way of like hot takes.

We'll see what happens with Nikki.

Because, like, if she has bad takes, then like, we'll never do this again.

Like, I will never watch.

But I have a feeling Nikki is going to come out swinging.

Like, and she's going to have some really good takes.

I'm so excited.

Me too.

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Let's talk about Salt Lake City.

I mean, before we get to like, obviously, the meat and potatoes, it was a really long episode, like, that was like full of nothing.

They were just like really dragging us out.

The only thing that was weird was like this whole Mary, like, Mary woke up and chose violence at them.

I have been a Mary apologist.

And she's always been quirky and she's always been Mary.

And I've given her the space to be both of those things.

And like, she doesn't have to be like other girls.

She doesn't have to be like other housewives.

I forget her.

She's different.

Yeah.

And I appreciate that about her and I've appreciated it.

But the way she behaved last week, it started with the Google.

Yeah.

And by the way, Lisa Barlow said something on Watch What Happen Slide that made like me even more certain.

So Lisa was like, I drink so much Diet Coke that when I heard that carbonation could like, you know, bring on early menopause, I'm like, I need to Google this.

Like, it was, it's more imperative, not just her fact-checking Mary.

No, and I never felt like she was fact-checking Mary, period.

Right, when someone tells you something that actually could have like direct implications for your life, like, you're gonna go look at every single article.

Obviously, so it just doubled down for me, like, how Mary was all wrong.

And then this week, she was so wrong, like, her crusade against Whitney

for not answering the four FaceTimes because she she was in the car.

And then I was like, oh, but I guess she never called her back.

Whitney said she couldn't.

She called her back two hours later.

Even if she didn't, like, you're busy, you forget.

It's not like she hates Mary.

They're good friends.

And especially because, as Whitney said, like, she's been Mary's number one defender online, on the show, like, just always quelling these, like, rumors about Mary and just having her back.

And it's like...

Awful the way that she treated her.

And this stuff with the mafia costume.

Yeah, what the fuck was that?

Like, trying to make like a joke for like Whitney into a joke.

Right.

I just got

bothered me too.

I wouldn't have found it funny.

I might have not, once I figured it out, like I might have not even gone.

Like, it's so disrespectful and condescending because she didn't answer your call.

What?

Because you put on your hat.

So

everyone needed to pick up your call when you called them.

When you were ready.

Because you were wearing a hat.

Yeah.

Literally.

It was so stupid.

She was being so mean and condescending.

And it's not like there was anything they were actually fighting over.

So like

Mary was saying these like really mean, condescending things.

And it's like there was no fight there like it was so stupid and you know and and Whitney's like retort is like I love you so much like what are you doing you're my friend what are you doing and Mary is just has no compassion no and then when they start to get into Whitney and Meredith talking about like you know Mary as a being and how she believes that she holds the power of God and so she wields that power like I mean that's the you know what it's giving David Kresh yeah no it really is and like that's where I think Salt Lake City stands apart

Because that conversation wouldn't happen anywhere else.

Like, we need to talk to our friend Mary because she's wielding the power of God

in too harsh a way.

Literally.

Literally.

It's so bizarre.

And then they all go back to the table, like, everything's normal.

Like, it's fucked up.

Yeah, I know, but it's like.

This is our friend Lisa.

Like, she's a little condescending.

This is Mary.

She hosts the spirit of God.

She wields the power of God.

You'll get used to her.

But you know what?

Like, Mary's just, like, on this this crusade, like she did invite Jenny.

Um, but you know what?

Like, I'm kind of over Jenny.

She's like, giving me nothing.

Jenny gives me everything in the form of her children.

When they came into the kitchen, you want to make yogurt?

Of course.

I'm like,

Claudia, I wanted to cry when they were like, Do you want to make yogurt?

Of course, mom.

I would love to.

Literally.

And then the daughter comes in and she's like, You're making yogurt without?

And then they were like, there wasn't enough.

They couldn't help enough.

Like, Claudia, I'm in love with her children.

Yeah.

Her kids are camping.

The best behaved campers I've ever seen on television.

Yeah.

And they were just,

oh my gosh, it warmed my heart.

If we don't get signed Saturdays once an episode, I'm fucking out.

That's true, but Jenny in the group gives me nothing.

Right.

That's fine.

It's crazy.

I've never felt this way about a housewife, a first-time housewife, where it's like

where it's like, I love her personal scenes.

Yeah.

Just because those kids.

The kids are special.

Like, they're really special.

They're really special.

Yeah, I agree.

They are the sweetest.

And her daughter is

probably like under 10.

So, you know, kids are usually nice.

But, like, her son is

like a young, a pre-teen, and he still is so respectable and so excited to do science and make yogurt.

Like, I just could cry.

No, literally.

Okay, so that was like a hot.

I know the dad wants more kids.

They have

to make sure.

But also, he should just be satisfied with the gems that they have.

He's out of control, but they have the most amazing kids.

Why not make some more?

Literally.

So the event was chaotic.

And you know what?

Mary was giving me like major second-hand embarrassment, like when she was trying to do an Italian accent, but she didn't know how to say one word in Italian.

If I, I mean, maybe it just like doesn't come off well on TV, it doesn't.

But these events look like torture, these ones that she throws.

Oh, the one that Mary's, yeah, because Mary is just like, I think people just walk on eggshells around her, like they don't know what to say.

You know, like the even last year, the Met Gala one, where like they had to put on couture at noon o'clock

and like just go to some strip mall to have a fine dining experience.

Like, it's just like, I would be like, like oh you don't want to invite me that's fine yeah that's fine even so this week and what did you think about the aprons in the louis vuitton bag okay it was misleading it was misleading of course and poor heather thinks she went home with like a louis vuitton apron and a hat and it's literally

it's literally from bed method and beyond erica what the fuck was that i don't know heather translates to erica and also because last year she did give them louis vuitton so like and it was in all in the same louis vuitton shopping bag like and then mary acting like i'm not buying these girls louis Vuitton.

But you did.

But you bought them headphones.

Right.

No, it was.

She was gaslighting us.

She was so mean to me.

She was gaslighting us.

It was so

crazy.

Yeah.

And then when Heather was like, I didn't even know Louis Vuitton made aprons.

She said nothing.

Yeah.

And then like slams them in her interview.

Yeah.

And she comes for the other women's style so hard as if they have the worst style.

And I think that they all have pretty good style.

The only one who's like a little

iffy.

Iffy is Whitney, probably.

But she's, you know, her own individual.

No, Meredith has amazing style.

Lisa has really cute, unique style.

Heather always looks like put together.

And she is 50-50.

And Jen has good.

Jen dresses kind of similar to Mary.

And it's like, Mary doesn't have objectively amazing style.

Like, she's so hard on these girls, like,

that they need to come like looking Italian streetwear, fabulous.

Yeah.

And by the way, I hate when people make like themed events, but like the most obscure theme, Italian streetwear.

Like, what is that?

That's not, she was saying it's not like Italian fashion.

It's like, it's really like

low-key black.

I thought that Meredith nailed it.

I agree.

I thought Mary wasn't Italian streetwear whatsoever.

And like some of the women at least tried to have like Italian brands that they were wearing.

Or like Genshin with her Italian flag.

Yeah, but I think Mary was wearing Chanel.

Yeah, no, the whole thing made no fucking sense.

Yeah.

But the pasta looked good.

The pasta looked amazing.

And the burrito, like, it looked like I was really hungry while eating it.

Yeah, but like, I'm sorry, just getting all the women together to like cook and beat an egg and make like penis jokes is just a level of housewives that I've graduated from.

Especially when we're waiting for this like pivotal moment and they made it in a 90-minute episode when we really didn't need to see that much of the cooking class.

Yeah, and by the way, I just want to say, just as for Whitney, because I loved her outfit to the.

She looks great.

She looks great.

And she nailed both mafia and it's into streetwear just in case.

100%.

So I was a big fan.

So then let's get the second that they pulled up a beauty lab and laser, like I froze.

I was like, Ben, you have to watch this.

And he was like, why?

I'm like, just watch.

So I was just like, he didn't know what was going to happen.

He knows nothing.

And so when she was like, I'm like, her husband has internal bleeding.

He's like, oh, man, that's terrible.

I'm like, just wait.

By the way, when she was saying Sharif Sr.

I was like, is that Sharif's dad?

I assumed it was Sharif's dad.

No, but she needed a really good excuse to get out of there in five minutes.

And she has a son, Sharif Jr.

Right.

So at first I was like, okay, Sharif Sr., that's pretty good.

And also it's a little bit like removed.

It's not like a crazy thing to say.

But to say that about your husband is just like a wild thing to put out there.

No, it's like what we call a Kanayanahara.

Like, it's like a superstition, like, never say.

Yeah.

But she was desperate.

Like, when she got that first phone call, it was funny.

She was taking these phone calls and she wasn't saying one word.

She was like so prepared.

It was cool.

Because I'm sure the person on the other line, whoever it was, knows that she's filming.

Yeah.

You know, knows the FBI is here and they're coming for you.

Maybe like, it was Sharif.

For sure, right?

I don't know.

Did they go to her house first?

But doesn't she eventually, did she get arrested at her house or did she turn herself in?

She turned herself in, I believe.

So maybe it was Sharif and they went to the house first.

That's what I thought.

Because otherwise, how would they know?

How would anyone know that they're coming for her?

Right.

So whoever called her was like, if you're filming, don't say anything.

Want to let you know.

FBI is on their way.

Get out of it.

So they made it like a weird thing, like moment that Meredith decided to meet them in Vail.

And there's like a lot of talk this season about whether Meredith tipped off the FBI that they were at Beauty Lab and Laser.

But also Mary didn't go.

Mary like had a headache.

She was still laying in bed.

Yeah.

So there's proof that it was either one of them, even though I don't think it was hard to find out where Jensha was.

Even if they tipped them off, like they could have been there to see in the fruits of their labor.

Right, right.

But like, as the day went on, and honestly, if I was the one who tipped off, I would want to see it go down to see like everyone, it dawn on everyone.

No, obviously.

And like the more, the, the more the day went on, people started dropping out.

I'm like, oh man, they're going to be so pissed that they missed this.

Like, it really happened so perfectly.

Like, if it was like this stage thing, all the women would have been there.

Like, I,

no part of me thinks anything was staged.

No, it was so iconic.

So, like, they're all sitting, and honestly, the fact that Heather was the only one who got up and talked to the police, like, I would have been so fucking curious, but they were all just like frozen, like, looking out the window.

I'm like, get up, like, get in there.

Yeah, but they still don't know that they're looking for Jen.

Lisa said on Watch What Happens Live that she thought that they were looking for Heather because they're at Beauty Lab, right?

You know, so they don't

know.

Like, we know what they're doing there, but like them, they're slowly piecing together, like, these, okay, the cops are in this parking lot, They're here for us.

They're looking for Jen, and it's Homeland Security.

Like, these are federal.

I'm so glad Heather asked, what's H S I?

SI.

He's like, Homeland Security.

I was like, oh, my God.

This is federal.

Federal.

It was.

And Jen left all her luggage in the no, she didn't.

She put in the pickup truck.

Her big luggages?

Yeah.

I didn't see them.

Heather said she took her bags and left.

She took her bags from the van.

I know her luggage is still in the car because she was like the third person there.

They would have had.

I think she was like, had no time.

She's not going to get stuck there.

So do they still go to veil?

Yes.

So Andy said on Watch What Happens Live that next week's episode, he said it's top five episodes of Housewives.

He said like last week, about next week.

That it's top five episodes of Housewives ever.

It's over the course of about eight hours, and it's their ride to veil.

Learning everything.

Yeah, Heather.

I mean, Whitney's the one who figures it out, like on Twitter or something.

And like, Lisa's calling her lawyers to see what's on the docket, and they're piecing together in the car.

That's crazy.

Jenny just like stumbled into this.

It's crazy.

I'm glad they're still going to bail.

Me too.

How far is it?

I don't know.

Colorado and Utah, right?

Yeah.

I don't know.

It's just like, why not fly?

I'm glad they didn't.

Otherwise, this wouldn't have been so iconic.

It's the orchestrated moment that it was.

No, like the everything that happened, like it just happened perfectly.

Like, I cannot believe that they were filming.

Like, and whoever did not put their camera down, like, if you saw a SWAT team, no matter how much you want to get shot you put your fucking camera down like you're scared yeah whoever deserves a Pulitzer like he did not even waver once the camera didn't shake it was gorgeous and all the GoPros that they had on the bus were amazing too yeah

and them thinking it was a prank like it's something like those women would do Whitney thought it was trippers yeah it's hysterical yeah But it also just goes to show like how naive they were and like, you know, they're processing that Sharif has internal bleeding.

Right.

And so they also

realize that

that's not true she's fine yeah that's not true and your friend is a fraud yeah

so it was insane it really gripped me yeah it was ben ben was shook he was like what i'm like she was running one of the largest telemarketing schemes in the country yeah

it was it was very well done They did make us wait like a long ass time to get to that part.

And you know what's frustrating?

It's like at this point in the season, up until that van.

I i was like i'm a team jen i had turned a corner on jen shot squad yeah she had turned a corner like and i thought the way that she um handled herself up the lunch like even though like married like she was just even i just have been feeling her but that conversation she had while snowshoeing with stew yeah was like

Like creepy like like they knew like they were just talking about how they've like been so great for each other, you know like it was like had this like conclusive vibe to the conversation.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure we'll find out, you know, if she, what she,

where she was at, like, did she know she was under investigation?

Right.

All these things.

Was she maybe like closing up shop a little bit because like things got too nefarious for her, even her?

I don't know.

I'm just in.

It was fucking crazy.

It was crazy.

You're shocked.

I'm shocked.

So yes, I'm very jazzed for next week's episode.

Andy has said multiple times, like, it is one of the best episodes of Housewives He's Ever Seen.

I can imagine.

I think these women are just great.

Like, I love the Salt Lake City women.

I think they're just amazing.

Yeah.

No, I agree.

I'm looking, like, the outlook for the season is bright.

It's looking up.

It's looking up.

Yeah.

And that is our show, right?

Yep.

That is our show.

I don't think it was anyone else's, but I could be wrong.

That's such a good point.

And we got in daylight savings.

Like, the lighting is now fucked up.

And now we're like really, the sun comes in at a different time now.

How nice.

We get some sun.

No, no, no, but it's like.

Oh my God, you're so bright on the monitor.

I'm washed out.

Okay.

Oh, good.

I'm still like dark and ugly.

Don't worry about me.

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