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Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the Morning Toast.

Happy Wednesday.

It is hump day.

Hope everyone's having an amazing Wednesday so far.

Do not forget.

I know it's easy to forget.

Do not forget to hump someone you love.

It is so imperative.

Thank you for that reminder.

I mean, Dew is here, so we're celebrating in style.

And speaking of style, I'm switching it up today.

You look lovely.

Thank you so much.

Well, it is so hot in New York.

Like, there is a heat wave.

It's disgusting.

And it rains like every afternoon because it gets so hot.

And you thought last night's rain was going to break the heat wave, but today it is still so hot.

It's going to get up to 90 today.

So I was just like, you got to dress for the weather.

And so I've just been really going into the back of my closet and trying to wear all of my clothes.

Can I ask you something that like maybe you'll agree with me on?

Sure.

When you like show up somewhere like wearing something unusual, like not unusual, but different than like what your normal garb is.

And everyone's like, what?

Don't you find that so rude?

Like, no, 100%.

I was like nervous to walk in here today, but I feel totally supported by everyone in the studio for this new look.

I actually thought when you came in, because I did wear a dress yesterday, and you, when I walked in, you were like, a dress?

No, I didn't.

Yeah, you did.

You're like, Sim La.

No, I didn't.

Yes, you did.

No, I didn't.

You said Sim La.

It was just dress in Hebrew.

I didn't say that.

You both did.

Yes, you both did.

Thank you.

My memory.

And I was like, you know what?

I'm going to support Jackie.

Cause like, you know, sometimes it's like, I always think of when Erica Jane rolled up in Berlin in that latex outfit and Teddy Mellencamp was like giving her shit for it.

Do you know what's so crazy?

Is I walked in here this morning and you said to me, Sim Law.

Yeah, and I said, you look so sweet.

Right, but like, so yesterday I said to you, Sim La, and you didn't feel supported?

You were like, what?

And then you're saying that you're...

Sim La.

No, I'm not, I'm not trying to clown, like, I'm not trying to like bring you down.

I'm just trying to say, like, I...

Recognize, like, it's just a thing people do, and they're like, when you dress different, everyone makes a thing of it.

It's like, just leave me alone.

Like, no, let me wear my Sim Law.

Go away.

No, this dress is really, like, not meant for New York City views.

But just like this heat, it's, what are you supposed to fucking wear?

No, we both look like we're going to the country club.

We're just doing different activities.

I'm headed to the tennis court.

I'm headed to lunch with the ladies.

Which in reality, like

if we ever were at a country club, like I would be at lunch with the ladies, you would be at the tennis court.

Yeah, for sure.

Hopefully they have pickleball.

Yeah.

Wait, so we have such a good show today.

It's Wednesday.

It's hump day, which usually means a few things.

One, it means we're humping Theo.

Still happening.

Do not worry.

Second is we usually do deer toasters.

We have decided to postpone today's deer toasters till tomorrow because we just did a dear toasters yesterday with Chelsea Handler, which was so iconic.

And we're so glad everyone enjoyed that episode.

And today's episode is already going to be extra long because we recorded a fabulous interview yesterday with someone who we admire so much.

So much.

Who we talk about all the time.

All the time.

Kevin O'Leary, Mr.

Wonderful from Shark Tank, was here.

He was so funny.

I have to say, I think I was like...

Most surprised by him out of all the guests we've ever had.

He was so thoughtful.

We had like a really interesting conversation.

He talked so much about his wine company, which went public yesterday.

Yeah.

So he was just giving us like business tips and tricks we got.

Our first ever wine tasting on the show which was so interesting.

I feel like we learned so much and usually, I mean, I don't want to spoil what we drank and how it tasted, but I was really pleasantly surprised because those were not categories that I really venture into.

And so he was in studio with us.

We have the video up on our YouTube channel.

It's also going to be at the end of the podcast.

I really implore you to watch a YouTube video.

He was being so funny.

He wore this crazy fucking outfit and he's just very charismatic.

And it was honestly one of my favorite interviews we've ever done.

It really was.

Like we came in with our questions, which we got to ask like all of them.

But then also the conversation just took.

He flipped the switch on us.

Like, it just went, you know, it's just a conversation.

It was like 40 minutes.

Yeah, so it was really interesting to talk to him.

I think we had such a great conversation.

Probably one of my favorite toast interviews that we've done.

And we just love having a shark up in the joy.

We're now three.

We did three sharks.

Barbara, Kevin.

Kevin, who's your next dream shark?

I mean, like, if I went on the tank, I would really want Lori to invest in my deal or Mark.

But who would you want to come on the toast?

Lori.

Lori.

That would be a good one.

Yeah, Lori also, I think out of all the sharks, like has her social media game down, Pat.

She like kills it on TikTok and stuff.

So I like would just love that synergy.

Yeah.

I'd like to get Robert.

You know how I feel about Robert.

I know you're obsessed with him.

No, no, no.

I mean, and now it's changed.

And I really feel like the more I watch Shark Tank, like the more that I did watch Shark Tank, you really come to appreciate Mr.

Wonderful.

And even as he explained in the interview yesterday, it's like he's being kind and telling people to go back to their day jobs.

He was being so funny.

So like I really can appreciate that, but I like that Robert always makes the entrepreneur like feel special.

Yeah, even though some people aren't special and they shouldn't think that they are special.

No, all people are special.

Their companies aren't all special.

No, it's like, that's like in Younger, where she's like, why are you special?

She's like, I know that I'm not.

Yeah, right.

And that's the right answer.

Have you been keeping up with Younger?

Nope.

The season finale, I think, is on tonight, serious finale.

There's one more episode.

I'll get there Monday.

Yeah, it's not anything pressing.

But that's our programming update.

Our second deer toasters of the week, we're going to move to tomorrow so we can spread that out a little bit and you can just enjoy Mr.

Wonderful today.

So we have that, we have the Fast Five, we have your housewives in New York recap, and we're just like alive.

Yeah, we are.

We've got a lot to do and I guess we should just get right to it.

You think?

I don't know.

I thought that's where you were going.

So funny.

No, I just

like threw back at me.

I didn't really have anything to share.

I haven't had anything.

I didn't do anything fun yesterday, anything fabulous.

No, I just like yesterday was the busiest day of my life.

Like work, work, work, meetings, meetings, meetings.

And unfortunately, those types of days while they're good for productivity They're not great for this segment of the podcast.

Oh, I understand.

No, but it's good.

It's good to see everyone getting back to work.

Yeah, I did um

I did read some of our podcast reviews yesterday.

I don't know what

I don't know.

I that's one of those things like I just don't go towards for my own mental health, but something was just bringing me to it and they honestly weren't terrible.

Yeah, no sometimes they're not terrible and even sometimes when they're terrible, like maybe you could learn a thing or two.

Like I've seen a few things where it's like, no, yeah, you're onto something.

Yeah, usually like if you usually the reviews are either five star or one star like one star you're like a former disgruntled toaster like you know yeah leaving a review just because you feel like it and five stars you're just like a normal person or four

where it's like okay it's actually valuable i i hear you i i could see that i would say that our biggest like um valid critique is that like

we talk about so much stuff like so many stories different industries and Not always do we have 100% of the facts.

And I'm here to say like that is valid, but we are also like not encyclopedias.

Like there's only so much information we can retain every day for a million different stories.

Like, so yes, I, I do, I feel that,

especially yesterday when I was talking about that Ellen interview that I had in a dream.

It was a real interview.

Okay, I think that that's fine that you were confused.

Yes, so like

that's a valid

critique, but like, what do we do about that?

No, I, I see that and I hear that and I get it, but then it's like, okay, if I'm not fully in the know on a story, like, so we just shouldn't talk about it, but then it's like, we're not talking about stories that are happening.

So, I think that most people, when they read stories, like they got the gist of it, they don't know every single detail.

So, I think, I think it just, it depends, you know.

And then the other critique, which is out of our control, but completely valid, is the fast-talking vocal fry.

Um, because literally, I watched our episode from yesterday, and it was fine.

Up until we started talking about Siesta Key, Jackie, it was, we did not take a breath, like it was so fucking fast, and I'm like, I see what people see.

Okay, I'll, I could try to keep that in mind.

I think I was probably talking quickly about Siesta Key.

You were excited.

Because like then we needed to get to the bachelor.

Usually I talk fast when I feel like no one wants to hear what I'm saying.

We always want to hear what you're saying all the time.

Well speaking of CSTK, I'm caught up after last night.

I caught up.

They're on the island.

I need to talk about this island.

Like it's so sickening.

They the premise is that Sam J-Lo like booked the island for everyone, but like Kelsey's invited and has her own house.

Like Sam J-Lo's not paying for that.

MTV is.

MTV is.

They're there for a month.

It's actually, it's exactly what I was saying needed to happen.

Like we need them to be in a confined confined space, cameras everywhere.

We won't miss a thing.

So that's an innovative way to film during COVID.

100%.

I'm so excited, and I look forward to the next episode.

I'm so glad that I'm caught up on the key because these kids are crazy.

You're keeping up with the key.

I'm keeping up with the key for sure.

Oh, and in bathing suit, the battle of the bathing suit.

Which is the funniest storyline I think I've ever experienced in my life.

So obviously, these things were filmed six months ago.

So I was like, let me see where the brands are at.

Where the brands are at now.

I checked out Juliet's.

I checked out Kelsey's, saw how many followers each of them had.

JMP has like better branding, so show.

JMP has 80K.

Buy Kelsey Owens has 60K.

Still good.

And then I checked out the swimwear because I wanted to see what everyone was making.

And I did not expect that anything would be for me because

Kelsey and Juliet have extremely different bodies than I do.

But when I was checking out JMP the label, I found what I think is a bathing suit that will really suit me.

She like sells her tops and bottoms separately.

So there was a bottom that's like my high waist cut, which I like.

And then there was a top that looked like it could hold a big breast.

And so I was influenced and I purchased.

I purchased.

Wow.

I'm really excited to share my updates.

You must keep us abreast on the Battle of the Bikinis.

I will keep you abreast on whether or not my breasts

are kept abreast.

Are kept abreast by JMP the label.

But I was really like, there were some really cute styles that I felt like I could squeeze myself into.

That's great.

Yeah.

Please keep us abreast.

I will keep you abreast.

Okay, well, now I feel comfortable.

I feel comfortable.

Sliding into.

There's so much to discuss Chris Harrison if I'm too premature.

There's so much to discuss.

Claudia, you're going to be explaining some things to us today.

There is so much YouTube drama like and I actually know about it this time.

Oh, okay.

Well even your conjecture we we enjoy.

Yeah, but sometimes when there's YouTube drama and like it becomes like trending, I like learn about it once it becomes trending.

But I've actually been following this podcast

pretty frequently for the last like year ever since I like became obsessed with TikTok because it's like a TikTok thing.

Okay, great.

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Okay, first story, the big story of the day.

Well, there's two today, but among

the bigger one.

Chris Harrison is leaving the Bachelor franchise for good after dramatic exit negotiations.

It's official, Chris Harrison, will never return to the Bachelor franchise.

Harrison's departure comes following a media spectacle of a controversy that erupted when the longtime host made racially insensitive comments defending a contestant from the franchise.

Numerous insiders tell Variety that Harrison wanted to stay with the HIP franchise, which he has hosted since it premiered in 2002.

Harrison is said to be very passionate about Bachelor Nation and was hoping to make it work to keep his job.

But as the situation escalated,

his team became outraged with the dragging out process and was unhappy with the network and studio not publicly supporting Harrison, since he has been with the show since the very beginning and is an integral part of its success.

Within the past few days, Harrison's lawyer began to quickly explore an exit package, which we found out he got an eight-figure

eight figure.

Okay, but then I also saw he wanted 25 million.

He did not get that.

So it's somewhere between 10 million and 25 million.

The initial variety, like press release, said mid-range

eight figures, which the middle of eight figures is $50 million.

So everyone was like, shook.

Then I read in paychecks, he wanted 25.

He didn't quite get that.

So I'm thinking something like $15 to $20.

I'm thinking that too.

Which is nuts.

Like, pay me $20 million not to work on a sinking ship.

Okay.

Like, oh my God, did Chris Harrison make out like a bandit or what?

Like, and oh, by the way, I screenshotted this.

I forgot.

I don't know if I sent it to you.

The ratings are in for

Katie Thurston's season.

Ready?

Okay, I'm so curious.

Let me give you some backstory.

Please do.

Rachel Lindsay's season, 5.7.

Million?

Yes.

Okay.

Becca Kufrin, 5.6.

Hannah Brown, 6.1.

That was a high point for the franchise.

Claire Crawley, 4.8.

Tayshia, 5.1.

Katie Thurston, 3.6.

So

that's not good.

That doesn't sound 2 million less.

It sounds like the chart went, there was a dip.

And I think there are a lot of people in Bachelor Nation for some reason who like

will fight a war for Chris Harrison.

Like some of the things I'm seeing online, people are just like obsessed with him.

And when these numbers came in, it hadn't been announced yet that Chris Harrison wasn't returning.

And I actually think next week's numbers will be even lower.

Like, people standing in solidarity with Chris Harrison.

Not even that.

Night one numbers are always higher.

Like, you can watch that one because people want to see what the season's about.

Night one is always like they pull out all the stops.

Let's talk, let's let's look at the ratings mid-season when they start like really fucking pulling teeth.

And even the fans of the show might skip those episodes.

And I thought it was really interesting.

During like the very beginning of the episode, I checked to see how many followers Katie Thurston had.

She had 612.

Last night I checked, she she had 630.

It's like you seem bigger than that.

She had 612 before the episode premiered.

Yes.

That's not good.

Yeah.

So I just think it's indicative, like, this franchise truly is a sinking ship.

Yeah.

And so for Chris Harrison, I think, like, if

I were him, like, I would be very pleased with my situation.

I'm very curious to see where we go from here because although the Taysha and Caitlin thing is really fun, I don't think it's a permanent solution.

I agree.

I think the show is on its way out, it seems like, but it also seems like he would have rode with it till the end.

He was there since the beginning.

Oh, yeah.

And I'm sure, according to this article, if he had his way, he would be back on the show.

Yes, and I think that a lot of

the reason why he got so much money is he's not allowed to ever speak on this scandal or anything that went on beyond like the producers behind the scenes, like ever again.

And I'm sure if he wanted to, if he didn't get enough money, he could have written a book or done an interview or got paid for something similar amount to just blow it all up.

Like,

I'm sure there's a like really fucked up shit that goes on behind the scenes.

Like if you think about the genesis of like everything

Chris Harrison has witnessed, not even this like Rachel and Matt scandal, like Corinne since 2002.

Corinne in paradise.

Like there's, and they like glazed over a lot of what happened there.

Like there's so many like fucked up things that go on behind

Bachelor behind the scenes.

Even I'm sure what went on behind the scenes here was even more fucked up with the whole Rachel and Matt thing.

So he could have really blown it up.

And I guess they just wanted him to shut up.

Yeah.

So they paid him.

Yeah.

And like when this show gets canceled inevitably in the next like three or four years, I really feel like that's true.

Like Chris Harrison's going to be like laughing with his $20 million.

Yeah.

And never having to work.

Yeah.

I wish someone would pay me mid-range eight figures not to work.

I'm sure he's going to try and work again.

Yeah.

I mean, like, the scandal has like really

made him so So he's name.

And, like, I think everybody knew who Chris Harrison was, but now that we're all talking about Chris Harrison, it's like, oh, you know who he was too?

Like, you'll talk about it with someone random.

It's like, how do you know who Chris Harrison is?

Yeah.

And, like, I feel like there's so many unfinished loose ends, like, things I have questions about.

Like, it's so weird to me that, like, Chris Harrison is no longer on the franchise because of this big scandal that happened with Rachel Kirk Connell.

And, like, Rachel Kirkonnell is like moving in with Matt.

It just feels like, it just feels, like, I'm confused.

Yeah, I agree.

So, um, but it's nice to just know what's going on in the franchise.

And I'm sure they could have kept being like, you know, the pause, the pause, like

he's not doing Bachelor in Paradise.

I doubt he would be doing Michelle's season, and then it would just be more and more waiting.

So now we know, and I'm sure they'll start looking to really fill the job permanently because I don't think these one-off characters are going to work.

That was going to be my next question.

Do you think there will be like a like a new, like maybe Emmanuel Acho becomes the new?

I think that there should be.

If they want stability, like I think that would get people excited if it was someone that people really like.

Or maybe it's a host that we don't know that well.

So it's like their association is only the bachelor still, just like how Chris Harrison was in the bachelor.

Yes.

So I think that they can find someone great for the position.

I'm sure, you know, a million girls would kill for that job.

Literally.

It'll be interesting to see who does get the job.

Yeah, and if you're asking me who should get it, I think it should be the snatcher.

She's proven that she can talk about the bachelor.

She can

time and time again.

So that's my pick.

I think that's a really good one.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yes, I am.

Trisha Paytas quits Frenemies podcast amid feud with Frenemy.

YouTube sensation, Trisha Paytas is stepping down from the popular weekly podcast Frenemies amid a disagreement over their conduct on the show.

Please explain what's going on.

Trisha Paytas is a popular YouTuber.

Yes.

They've like had...

A very interesting career thus far, very messy, very scandalous.

But Trisha has like really found this very

like good project for her.

She joined the Frenemies podcast, which is a podcast produced by H3 Productions.

I need you to just keep up because it's like a weird family circle.

Okay, okay.

Okay.

H3 Productions put together this podcast called Frenemies and hired Trisha as like the talent to host with this guy, Ethan, who owns H3 Productions.

Okay.

So it's like TNN.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ethan is married to a woman named Hila.

Okay.

She's Israeli.

I don't know.

That doesn't matter.

I just, it's a fun fact.

So this podcast blew up and really did great things for Trisha's career because they've kind of always had this

like salacious scandal like

aura to Trisha's brand.

Like it's always been just kind of messy.

But this podcast blew up.

Ethan blew up with it.

Like Ethan was a popular YouTuber creator before, but I think this podcast took them both to like a great level.

People were obsessed with this podcast.

Like I never watched it, but I've always seen like clips and I've always watched it's hysterical.

Like Trisha's nuts.

They dress up in these insane costumes and talk about serious things it's very funny h3 produces it and on monday oh one more small fact and then why people like love watching this journey for trisha is because trisha met a guy on h3 the podcast he works for the podcast and it's ela's sister

brother sorry so trisha and ethan the host of the podcast Areach dating someone their siblings.

Yeah.

Ela's married.

They have kids with Ethan.

And Trisha just got engaged.

Okay.

Okay.

So it's kind of become this like beautiful thing and they've like fought on the podcast before and like everyone always like freaks out because like the clips go viral.

Trisha does struggle with BPD.

She's they've been very open about

their journey with mental health.

And so that's just the context that you need.

Okay.

So on Monday, they did an episode and at the end of the episode they do like a deer toasters, like a viewer advice.

And Trisha says that

they don't want to do this segment.

Like they think it's stupid.

They think it's like tacky.

It's what people do when they don't have any more creative ideas.

And it kind of started this like very weird contentious conversation about money and about the show and how Ethan's like, that's so mean.

Like we all, he, he hires, H3 Productions is his company.

Trisha gets hired as talent.

He was like, we work really hard like putting all these segments together.

Like That's like mean to say that you don't like our like advice segment.

And then Trisha's like, well, don't say you do everything

and then Ethan's like no I mean we do do everything but that's not what I said and like Trisha's getting visibly upset but then she keeps saying like I'm not upset I'm not upset I'm not upset

and so then Ethan's like I feel like you're gaslighting me like you're clearly upset like let's just talk about it you know and then Trisha's like you're gaslighting me telling me how I'm feeling so it's like you're gaslighting I'm gaslighting Okay, the conversation gets very contentious and they really start talking about money.

It's actually really interesting to hear how they split up the money.

The show is very successful.

It's an H3 production.

They split AdSense revenue, podcast revenue, on, it's a podcast and a YouTube show.

I've heard it.

So they split it like 50-50, but they do take 5% from the overall thing for the production

to pay all these employees who run the show.

The employees being Trisha's fiancé, Moses.

Right.

Moses.

So Trisha's going on about how it's like not fair, how they don't deserve the 5%, like in front of the crew who's like literally working on the show.

They're only asking for 5%.

It's not a lot.

So it gets very, very contentious.

The episode's on Monday.

Monday night,

I guess they also do like a vlog series.

I've never seen it.

The crew says, we don't want to do the vlog.

Like, you were very rude to us, Tricia, like saying how we don't deserve our 5%.

So they kind of like go on strike.

Tuesday, the episode drops to the public.

They have like a Patreon, so like people get to see it first on Monday.

It drops on Tuesday.

Is it on Patreon or it's like a membership?

I don't know what the infrastructure is.

I just always like to know what tools people are doing.

What other creators are doing?

Yeah.

100%.

Tuesday, the episode drops boom trisha drops on her own channel a video on leaving frenemies she said

you know i'm i'm she said that like she's not going to apologize for how oh sorry her pronouns are they them i'm really sorry

they said that they're not gonna apologize for how um

they feel

but their delivery was wrong.

And so I do believe the Frenemies community has sided with Ethan because also in this fight that was on air, it was very awkward to watch, watch, Trisha said, Gila and Ethan just announced that they are having a baby.

And I think it might be twins.

Like there was this whole announcement and they made the episode last week like a lot about that.

And Trisha was, was like, you know, you made the episode title pregnancy announcement, kind of like, you know, using me for a clout, people thinking I'm pregnant.

And it was just like not about Trisha at all.

It was about like Ethan and Gila.

And it just feels like, This is what I think happened.

No verification.

I just think that they hired Trisha to be the star of the show.

And they are.

Like Trisha is insane.

Like she's talent oozing out of her pores.

But the community like started to really love Ethan and fall in love with Ethan and Gila's love story.

And of course everyone was like freaking out when they got pregnant.

And I just think Trish was like, I thought the show was about to like supposed to be about me.

Like he was very much supposed to be the captain of the ship and the serious one to kind of prop up.

Trish, but the fans like love both of them equally.

And I just think there's been a lot of attention on Ethan and Gila because of the pregnancy and stuff.

And they've fought before like with the siblings.

And it's been really awkward.

Like the couples fighting because Moses and Hila are sister and brother.

Yeah.

But and they then Ethan and Trish work together.

It's actually like a really toxic potentially.

Yeah, but even though they're not working together anymore, all four of them, like they're always going to be in each other's lives.

Or they should be.

And so right before this, like people were like, there were so many TikToks like glamorizing like how, you know, Trish is in the best place of her life.

Like she struggles a lot with mental health.

She was dating Jason Jason Nash.

Yes.

And she was, her and Ethan were the one who blew that whole like dom David Dobrik scam.

Like they started that.

Like they really did.

So it was like a really influential podcast.

And now I just don't know where we go from here.

A lot of people are saying that like Trisha like always fake quits.

Like she'll be back.

But she made a video.

Sorry.

They made a video and it seems very real.

And the frenemies.

people are like so upset.

Trisha was trending all day on Twitter yesterday.

Yeah, that is upsetting because.

If you'd love a podcast and then it ends, like people would be devastated if the toast episode is.

Oh my God.

And especially like in the in the in a day.

Like, you know, these weren't, I mean, I'm sure there were forces that were at play for a while, but just to have one bad episode and one disagreement and then to make the decision in 24 hours and then make it so publicly, you can't come, really come back from that.

It was very erratic of Trisha.

If anyone could, it would be Trisha.

Yes, that's so her.

So a lot of people aren't worried about it.

This story is so big now.

I've seen it everywhere.

I don't know how you put the toothpaste back in the bottle.

Well, so so Ethan is actually very good about like dealing with Trisha because she is you know her own

their own celebrity you know and they've kind of like stormed off the show before and Ethan like handles Trisha perfectly so They actually I could see them like literally sitting down for another episode and pretending like nothing happened like that's like they can do that.

I don't maybe in the past, but I think that this particular story has reached a level that they couldn't just pretend like it didn't happen, but maybe they could have a reproche moi This is camera.

This isn't even the worst fight.

Like literally, they had a fight like a month ago that went viral

and Trisha called Ethan's wife, Gila, like a bitch.

Like it was a family fight.

Like that's the worst type of fight to have publicly like airing your dirty laundry.

I think that fight was worse than this one about money.

Yes, but I didn't hear about that fight.

Yeah.

Well, because Trisha didn't actually quit after that fight.

She just like stormed out.

And then the next day, she like apologized for what she said.

Sorry, for what they said.

Interesting.

Well, as always, I really hope that they can work it out because I hate to see a successful podcasting duo go under.

I hate to see it.

Devastating.

I think that everyone, and they should have like, they should renegotiate their terms.

Yeah.

And everyone should feel good about what they're doing.

But I feel like they feel like the setup that they have is pretty fair.

I completely agree.

Sounds as fair as fair gets to me.

Trisha's hired as talent.

Like the studio, I believe, is in Ethan's house, but they bought a studio in downtown LA.

No, no, it seems fair to me.

They produce other podcasts besides Frenemies, but.

But Trisha doesn't think that it's fair.

So let's go back to the table and find a deal that works for everyone.

Like, I'm sure Ethan really, and I saw his tweet, he really wanted to make this work.

Yeah,

that's what I feel, right?

I feel like the deal is fair.

Yes, I agree.

And you sign up for the future.

But Tricia doesn't.

I think she might be being unreasonable.

They might be being unreasonable.

I agree, but if you want the show, that's what you get when you hire talent.

You get talent attitude.

Yeah.

That's true.

So if they want to make it work, you got to get back to the table.

But Trisha might be coming back.

We don't know.

Too much might have happened.

Also, you say Trisha might be coming back, but that's only because you're hoping they come back.

No, I think that this is just Trisha behavior.

She's just kind of like,

this is so Trisha.

I actually feel like we could see Trisha come back 100%.

Like I really would not be surprised.

They have fought worse.

After everything that you've shared with me about the success of the podcast, and it sounds so great, I really hope that they come back

and all of them are able to make it work.

Me too, of course.

Like it was a beautiful, it was a beautiful thing for so long.

Like when the podcast was going well and their, you know, partners are siblings.

Like it was great.

They were a family.

Yeah.

What category is the podcast in?

I don't know why.

Probably comedy.

I just like to know, you know, where fellow podcasts are.

I believe it's big, like really big on YouTube and like...

like performs like decently as a podcast, but they get dressed up in like Betelgeuse.

They look insane.

Like they're in that, they're having this fight and Ethan is literally wearing like goblin face paint and Tricia is dressed.

I don't know what her costume was, what their costume was supposed to be, but it was like a lady who lunched.

I don't know.

It was insane.

And that's like the production value is very high and it's so funny, but I don't know.

Interesting.

Okay, well, we'll keep you posted and Claudia will continue to explain it all.

Yes, constantly.

Thank you so much for that.

You're welcome.

Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Tiana Taylor is the first black woman to be named Maxim's sexiest woman alive.

Tiana Taylor is making history with her latest magazine cover.

On Monday, the 30-year-old entertainer was crowned Maxim's sexiest woman alive, topping the title's Hot 100 list for 2021.

Taylor covers the issue in a hacked-off Haynes tank top and vintage army pants, showing off her six-pack abs.

I saw Tiana Taylor wearing army pants and flip-flops, so I bought army pants and flip-flops.

I mean, this is such a well-deserved award.

Like after

Dak West music video, like, she was literally like everyone's body goals.

And she's a great selection for Maxim Hot 100.

I did not know that they never had a black woman win, which is like crazy.

But this is fabulous.

I get like a little bit of PTSD when we talk about Maxim Hot 100.

Do you know why?

I do know why.

I do know why.

And I will tell you since it is my fault.

Since I am the cause of it.

So when we were doing the breath, so that was probably four years ago, Maxim released their Hot 100.

And their number one was Haley Baldwin at the time.

And this was really before, you know, she popped off in the way that she has.

She was like a guest model.

Yeah, she, this was pre-style me made, like pre-bieber, pre-shown men as a pastor.

She was just like another celebrity spawn who it was naturally good looking and and like naturally thin rich yeah.

And so I said that I felt kind of like met about the cover, whatever.

You were into it.

You thought it was good choice.

I've always loved Killing.

This was also before the Met Galo where she wore that pink Alexander Wayne dress.

That really changed everything for me about her.

And it did chase kind of like the frontier of fashion.

Yeah.

And like with the little thong poking out.

Like after I did a 180 on, not that I had so far to come with her.

I just was like pretty meh.

Should have a 90, not a 180.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just turned a little bit.

Just like looked over your shoulder.

Anyway, so I was pretty mad.

And you know, we used to post about stories that we shared on the show and we would post them to our Instagram.

And in a rookie mistake.

Jackie posted it on her.

I posted that she was Maxim's Hot 100 and I and the breath felt meh about it and I tagged her,

which is like a weird fucking thing to do.

Yep.

And then she commented and she was like, well, good thing you don't pick the colour.

Well, good thing it's not up to you.

And I was like, oh, yeah.

I saw it and I wanted to kill you.

I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

Like, we get one comment from Haley Bieber.

Like, what?

That's the one.

And that's why.

And you know what?

That's why it's so good that we rebranded because if she ever comes across our page again, she won't realize that we're the ones who felt meh.

And I just want to say, like, I have, I feel completely different about Haley Bieber than I used to feel.

She won't recognize us.

She's really set herself apart.

She won't recognize us.

Like, I have a new chin, you have a new eyebrows.

Like, we're two different girls than we were on the breath.

I used to have a bob, and now I have the longest hair on earth.

Oh, by the way, we are truly irrecognizable

because we're running from that.

I'm running from myself.

Like, as much as I actually loved doing the morning breath, like, we had such funny times, like, we had such good shows.

Like, it was really, like, really fun to do.

Like, I actually can't even look at some of the clips or the episodes because I was so ugly not only ugly i gave no fucks about the way that i looked like i rolled out of bed i didn't like run an iron through my hair like i just did natural hair big thick fucking eyeliner that was like so uneven the same jeans every day dirty jeans which i stand by that decision this big mole on my face like i just like had no regard for how i looked and presented myself and as much as i like Look back on that and I'm like so ashamed.

I'm also jealous of like the freedom I probably had like I sit here and I do my best to like be hysterical, but also like look like the best that I possibly can.

Like I'm always touching my hair.

I'm fixing it my lipstick.

It's exhausting.

And like that girl was so free.

Like she didn't give a flying fuck what she looked like.

Yeah, but also in your defense now, back then we had touch-ups.

We had hair and makeup touch-ups.

So you could roll out of bed and someone was going to like make you look kemped.

Yeah, but they didn't.

But they did.

Like I feel like.

I feel like they did.

More love story, you would have looked worse.

100%.

100%.

So, yeah, those were good times, but I agree.

And it's just like so interesting to watch the clips, like my hair,

weird eyebrows.

We're so different.

We're so different.

And you would think, like, I actually look so different.

And I really don't do like a ton of plastic surgery.

Like, I get like literally once a year Botox in my forehead.

That does not change the way you look.

And a little bit of lip filler.

Like, I did get also get my chin done.

The chin changed everything.

The chin changed everything.

100%.

And the lips, like, thank God.

You know what?

When I first got lip filler, I was like, this is so unnecessary, but I just want to be like Sheena.

Like, you know, I just want to be like a cool Instagrammer, like blogger, reality star.

And I really didn't think that I needed, but it was like, like, a fun thing to do.

And now when I go through my time hop and I see those curly little lips, like when I smile, like that top one used to curl up, I'm like, oh my God, like I'm so grateful that I did it.

Actually, you didn't need lips like for Instagram.

You needed them to balance out your face.

Yeah.

No, and like, I guess maybe that's like kind of what's toxic about plastic surgery because it never bothered me before.

Like I never looked at my lips and was like, they're too small.

But now I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe I used to leave those house with those little, tiny, little, thin, little, fucking, curly ass lips.

Yeah.

That is probably what's toxic about plastic surgery, but aren't you better?

Glad you look better.

100%.

Yeah.

Thinking maybe I'll get a little more.

Anyways, moral of the story is, Haley Baldwin Bieber, like you have totally proven me wrong.

You are anything but meh.

And the moral of the story is that like I just want to like.

distance myself from you.

Like I have been like obsessed since the day I met her.

And I just don't want like your like, you know, Haley Baldwin drama like to ooze on me.

Yeah, yeah, no, but it's not my drama anymore.

Like it's the breaths.

Oh, are you, are you letting go of the drama?

No, no, no.

Like I left it at the breath.

Okay, because I still have trauma.

How we got here is we're talking about Maxim Hot 100.

Like I still have trauma tied to it.

So I think we need to like just kind of collectively let that trauma go.

Collectively let it go.

It's so important.

Like if that's what you're holding on to, I can't imagine the other things that you're holding on to in your life.

Like I'm literally like, I only remember all the worst things that have ever happened to me.

Like sometimes I forget like I bartended on Watch Happens Live because there's no room in my brain for like the fun things I've done or the things I've accomplished.

Only like the weird things I've said at parties and the times like I've gotten in trouble on Instagram, you know, like that lives in my mind red-free.

100%.

I wanted to go and find like who were like last year's Maxim Hot 100 and everything.

If you are you interested in that?

Yeah, I'm always interested in it.

I always just feel like Megan Fox wins like every year.

I can't, she's so maxim.

Oh, do you?

Also about Tayana Taylor, I just want to say like obsessed and she is married to Iman Schumper.

Yes.

Who used to play on the Knicks.

Like I don't know what he plays for anymore, but

I just like stand them as a couple.

I have a ship in the port, it's pretty big.

Totally.

Okay, so I don't know if they had one for 2020, but 2019 was Olivia Culpo.

Okay, 2018 was Kate Upton.

Obsessed.

2017 was Haley Baldwin.

Just skip over that one.

2016 was Stella Maxwell.

Remember when she was everywhere?

What happened to her?

She was Caden Miley.

And she was in that song that played all the time.

What song?

Got a Stella Maxwell right beside me.

Oh.

That lyric.

I don't know that one.

You guys know it.

You know if you heard it.

Yeah, for sure.

Candice Swanpole, 20.

Oh, wait, 2015, Taylor Swift were you aware of this what is there like a sexy pick of her she doesn't do that um for sure there is let me see I have to go and get it wow you truly learn something new every day about your favorite icons you really do 2014 Candice Swanpole 2013 Miley Cyrus 2012 Bar Raffaelli oh my god I love Bar Raffaelli.

What happened to her?

Is she in jail?

She had like tax issues.

Yeah, but I think they like let her go.

I don't know.

Remember when she dated Leo?

She was like the hottest thing for like a couple of years.

Yeah.

And I mean, in 2012, she was the number one.

She was literally the hottest thing.

She was the number one hot.

Can you find the Taylor Schwift photo?

I'm just like genuinely curious.

Yes.

And then 2011 was Rosie Huntington Whiteley.

Did I say that right?

I'm typing and reading at the same time.

Yeah.

You did.

I think I actually know which one it is.

Oh, oh, yeah.

I mean, that's like so editorial.

Like, Maxim usually has like big titties and stuff.

Yeah.

But that's so not Taylor Schwift, and I love that she made it her own, like, obsessed.

Obsessed.

2010, Katy Perry.

2009, Olivia Wilde.

2008, Marissa Miller.

2007, Lindsay Lohan.

2006 and 2005, Eva Longoria.

Deserved.

Agreed.

Speaking of Lindsay Lohan, she's like gearing up for some sort of comeback.

She's in like a Netflix movie and she did this like stunning photo shoot for some magazine.

Interview, I think.

Obsessed.

Like, I'm here for the Lindsay Lohan return to glory.

Agreed.

2004, Jessica Simpson.

This is such an interesting list.

It's just a moment in time i'm gonna just get

2003 christian aguerlera 2002 jennifer garner 2001 jessica alba 2000 estella warren it definitely is like a symbolic of the culture like what was going on in pop culture for those years like the jessica alba jessica simpson years the jennifer garner like i remember that i just want to say like kim kardashi has never been on the cover never been number one

I feel like now she, like, her brand is so different, but like for so many years, like she could have been.

That was literally her.

Yeah.

That is weird.

That is weird.

Okay.

Well, are you ready for our next story?

Yeah.

Now that we've exhausted the hot 100.

Yeah.

Ariana Grande congratulates her brother Frankie on an engagement.

Yeah.

I love you both so, so much, she said.

So I know you'll be so excited to talk about this because you love Frankie Grande.

You're just

the number one fan.

No, I'm not.

Like, no, I know.

Yeah, no.

I haven't given you the opportunity to talk smack about him in a while.

Well, honestly, I do find him annoying, but it's Pride Month, so I'm not going to be like, you know, like obnoxious to Frankie Grande.

Yes.

And this is some really happy news.

The 27-year-old pop star congratulated her her big brother, Frankie Grande, and his fiancé, Hale Leon, on their engagement, which was exclusively revealed by people on Tuesday.

She said, the most beautiful, love you both so, so much.

But it's cute and they're like getting married at the same time.

Yes.

That's sweet.

That is sweet.

The photos are really sweet.

And we just love a little bit of love news.

Yeah, we do.

And we love like Ari always being so supportive of her brother, even when he's like thirsty.

And honestly, like, people clown on Frankie Grande, like myself included, but if I was Ariana Grande's brother or something.

Would you you act any differently?

Worse!

Worse.

So like we need to give Frankie Grande like a little room, like a little grace.

Like he is doing what we would all do naturally.

Like you're gay and your sister is a gay icon.

Like how does one person

like kind of congest, ingest, digest, internalize all of that?

Like it's very chaotic and Grammy Grande is just doing the best he can.

No, I understand.

And it's also like Frankie Grande, if he wasn't Ari's brother, like would be her biggest fan.

So like he's her biggest fan, like gets to go to all these award shows.

Like, of course he's gonna act out the way that he does.

Like, he's having the time.

He's just a fan.

No, 100%.

Like, he's the luckiest fan in the world.

And I just think, like, we all need to operate in a world where, like, we're just a little bit more understanding of Frankie Grande's chaotic energy because it's like, he's literally doing the best he can.

And...

Just think of the circumstances, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

And I'm sure he's like also trying to play, cool.

Imagine how much more he has to give.

No, he's probably like, when he goes to these award shows with Ari, like, there's probably so many things going through his mind.

So honestly, I'm making an official decree.

Like, I'm going to operate in a world that's a little bit more

forgiving of Frankie Grande.

Like, I really am.

I just feel so beautiful.

I always see jokes about him, like, on TikTok and stuff, and I'm just gonna, like, especially jokes about like him doing soul cycle.

Like, I am going to

give him a little break.

Love that.

What a beautiful story.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

It's the final story.

I'm surprised the podcast reviews don't say, stop fucking singing that song.

I don't think that they would because it's stunning.

Oh, okay.

I mean, I think it gives us the energy, the boost that we need to...

to report the fifth and final story as well.

You know, because sometimes we lull, do, do, do, do.

Boom.

Okay.

Every time I, sorry, not to harp on the song that's obviously annoying people.

Every time.

I actually haven't seen one complain about it.

Me neither.

I actually did, I actually even saw one comment asking us to finish the, like, keep going and finish the entire song.

But every time we do that song and I add my weird like, doo-doo-doo-doo-pa-pa.

I'm literally Professor Ed Schneebly from School of Rock.

100%.

Because like when he, when he gets them all up in the front of the class for the first time and he's like, just do go

on the bass, and then he's like,

on the drums, like, that's literally me a hundred percent i think that i need to reevaluate like who my idols are because professor edge schneebly is a hundred percent up there no i totally the fake one not the real one of course the real one sucks no the real one sucks and you know who you look like today sarah silverman she's like always dressed in that movie like uh like very long dress like oh proper

but look at me

hey

look at me another

Jack black reference.

Also, not to go down a completely different rabbit hole, but I really feel like like not enough time and respect is given to the acting career of Jack Black.

Like, he's just like that funny guy, but like, Shallow Hell is like a transformative fucking movie.

School of Rock is so iconic.

Like, I just think he needs the holiday.

The holiday.

Also, whenever we like riff, I get, um,

I feel like in the holiday, like, doo doo-doo-doo, doo-doo-doo-doo.

Like, you know, that's, like, where I feel like I'm having the date.

Like, I'm in the movie.

I'm like, doo doo doo-doo.

So I just feel like this episode, like, was really integral for us to, like, put respect on Jack Black's name and Frankie Grande's name.

And I feel really good about the work that we've done here today.

100%.

Fifth and final story: a little book news.

The Jonas brothers are writing a memoir called Blood.

Blood.

Blood.

Where's that from?

It's from an old YouTube video, right?

Yes.

Blood, yeah.

Blood.

Thank you for reminding me.

And I think that's why they called that.

I think the book.

The book is an oral history of that YouTube video.

Oh, how interesting.

Wherein they also compared the 2013 breakup of the Jonas brothers to a tsunami.

So Joe Jonas shared a little expert from...

He shared an excerpt from blood on his Instagram.

Are you okay?

It's just so funny.

Blood.

That kid's going to be on the cover.

On Instagram, he shared where he recalled the intense emotions felt when he and his brothers, Nick and Kevin decided to take a break from their band.

Written from Joe's viewpoint the cake by the ocean crooner completely.

Which is just his book?

No, I think it's by the three of them, but I'm assuming they go in and out of their own perspectives.

I'm sure they copied the Lady Gang format.

Jackie, I was literally about to say, like, I hope that they read the Lady Gang book because I feel like it's actually sometimes very chaotic to write a book with multiple people.

Like there's so many different perspectives and sometimes they try to make it the same voice.

The Lady Gang book was perfectly done, like how to write a book from three different perspectives.

So I really feel like they should work with Kelty, Jack, and Becca.

I totally agree.

He said, the tsunami inside of me built until it broke and crashed through everything in its path.

But sometimes things need to break down so they can be built up again on a stronger foundation.

He said,

he says, as we grow through our lives, I know I'll always have my brothers as family, as friends, and

as blood.

That's what it says.

Blood.

Yeah, I mean,

I didn't need a Jonas Brothers book, but I'll gladly welcome it into my space.

Does anyone else feel like they're trying to make as much money in the next, in the past three years as possible so they can like two Amazon specials, two tours, a book, 100% so they can like stop working again?

I don't know if that's the point, but I do feel like they're constantly doing the most at all times.

Like, and their music is really good, so I'm not mad at all about it.

I'm not mad about it.

Their tour was unbelievable.

Like one of the best shows I've been to.

I will definitely be going to the next one, but I agree.

They're doing like a lot.

Yeah, I'm just curious what the strategy is.

I do feel like they're working really hard so that they can take time off maybe in a few years, especially as they all have like young families.

But that is the vibe that I'm getting.

Like, let's just make the most money, which I also understand because a lot of people, like, things have an expiration date.

And the comeback was so strong.

Yeah.

And it wasn't just like a reunion.

It was like, no, we're going to do this again.

And the fanfare is just as it was in like 2007.

So

I can respect them.

get collecting all those checks.

Me too, but I definitely got the same vibe from like all of their media.

Like just a lot.

Okay, cool.

Cool.

Yeah.

And like a book honestly does not sound like a natural thing because yes they have a story to tell the breakup but they literally did it in a two-part documentary like oh speaking of documentaries I watched the pink documentary I did not finish it

it's so good did you know pink is Jewish

wow she was like oh I feel so guilty well I'm Jewish that's all we have and I'm like wait really

you're Jewish like I just didn't know that like live for it.

It's such a good documentary.

I'm only like halfway through.

I just do wish there was more performances.

It's really, it's not a concert DVD.

Like it's truly a documentary with like tiny pieces of performances in it.

Interesting, because I listened to the album from the documentary on Spotify, so I thought it was a lot of live performances.

Maybe at the end there's more.

That's what I listened to.

I actually like used it as a soundtrack for a run.

It was really inspirational because she's also like talking and inspiring everyone around her.

And she did on tour.

I had, I didn't see her on tour.

She did a, I don't know if it's a cover.

Did she write that song?

Shut your mouth and run me like a river.

It's on the album.

It's not her song.

It's a cover.

Yeah.

She did it so well.

Yeah.

And it's just really interesting to see,

first of all, the dynamic between her and her husband, because of course it's, you know, very non-traditional.

She's the breadwinner.

He really, he's not like a stay-at-home dad, but he, when they're on tour, like takes the brunt of like the work while she's, you know, tour, while she's rehearsing and going to the stadium, and she tries to keep her kids involved as much as possible.

But like, whatever you think of like Pink's life on the road, like, that's not it.

Like, it's literally like motherhood.

And then she, like, runs away for two hours to do a concert and then comes back to motherhood.

Like, it's actually really crazy.

I have a lot of respect for her.

Being a mom is like her number one priority.

Like, she's such a mom, like, she's honestly a great mom, very introspective.

She's like, she just seems like a person who's been through like a lot of therapy and she's like really into her emotions.

Um, but she likes that kid, Willow, 100 times better than I didn't even, well, I'm only halfway through, but like, literally, the other kids, like, might as well have not existed.

But Willow's older.

Oh, God, I'm joking.

That's what I get.

That's what you get for saying.

Yeah, no.

She did explain how, like...

Yeah, you're choking on your words.

God is smiting me, and I fully accept that.

She did explain how, like, for the first five years of Willow's life, like, it was just her and Willow.

You're not.

You're not allowed to speak on the children, then.

No, I'm just trying to explain what she said.

No, but that's, maybe that's a sign.

No, but what she said was...

Like, for the first five years, it was just her and Willow.

And then, like, this new baby came in, and a baby's like a narcissist.

Like, a baby just lives in...

That's, she said that, not me.

Like, the baby lives in its own world, doesn't like think to be jealous of their older sister.

Whereas, like, Willow, who was like the center of the universe for five years, so that's why she puts so much energy into like Willow's well-being and self-worth.

She's just really like worried about her kids having high self-worth.

I understand that, but I also feel like for whatever she's doing and the kids are running around, like the older one is going to get to do more and be around more.

Until the other kid, whose name I literally know, is it um

Sage?

You know, that does sound right.

Whatever.

Okay, cool, cool.

Um, it's really good.

You will like it.

Like, if you have respect for pink, like, you will just get more respect for it.

Oh, my God.

You guys, my contemplate runneth over.

I think.

It's not pertinent, like, right now.

No, I know, but, like, I need to watch Why Women Kill.

I need to watch Pink Documentary.

I need to watch Summerhouse.

I need to watch Bold Type.

And I need to watch Younger.

And that's only the things I can remember right now.

Yeah, I would just say start with Why Women Kill and Summerhouse.

That's my plan.

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All right, the Real Houses in New York was on last night.

The second to last episode in the Hamptons, and it was like chaos.

I can't believe we're still in the Hamptons.

It's as if they're like,

no, they're like on Jersey Shore where they're just like in a house.

It's in your house.

I mean, I guess it's better than like those shitty episodes we were getting in the city when like no one was in the same place.

Yeah.

So it's better,

but it's so chaotic.

Like the group is just, you know, when you start to hang out with like people for too long, like you get that annoying feeling with them.

Like they're obviously having that feeling.

I thought the conversations in the beginning of the episode between Ebony and Luanne, I thought were pretty productive.

Like I do think Luanne is well-intentioned, but like she was being like, like Leah was screaming.

Everyone was screaming.

No one was calling anyone angry.

And then Ebony, and I think like Ebony really explained it in a way that Luann could digest because Luann has and actually Ebony said this perfectly Luann has such a big ego like in fights and stuff like she can't see anything but her wanting to be right so even though there was something more important happening with the conversation she's like well will you apologize to me it's like girl like it's not about that like let it go also the conversation that they had at that brunch like I couldn't even follow it.

Like, what were they saying?

I have no idea what point anyone like was trying to make.

Like what Luanne was trying to make with education and Christianity and class.

And like what she was trying to say.

She kept telling telling Ebony I didn't say this I didn't say that but what so what were you saying and honestly like the conversation was irrelevant and when Ebony was trying to explain like Luann I do think Luanne ingested it but also she could not get over like well will you apologize to me for what you said about educate like get over it yeah it's really not that deep it's not that deep and also it was it's not subjective like

She has more of a formal education.

100%.

And then the episode like kind of calmed down for a little bit and then like really picked up at the end.

And I really feel like there was a lot of interesting things going on with the Heather and Leah of it all.

Yeah.

And I'm feeling very conflicted because I actually really like Heather.

She was giving me like such cringy vibes the whole episode.

Like,

and I think Ebony also said it perfectly.

Like, Heather does mean well.

Like, I really don't think Heather, like, I think Heather was trying to help everyone, was trying to smooth out the situation, was trying to be supportive to Ebony.

But some of the shit she was saying, like, was really like

cringe 101.

And then when she came in and was like, you are so articulate, by the way, like, that,

that was, that was bad, That was like a low point.

That was really awkward.

But I did, I,

so I don't know what, where Heather leaves the show, but I can understand how and why she got to that point.

Ever since she's come to the house, like, really, nobody wants her there.

And she's really being nothing but like trying to be positive, supportive, nice.

And I feel like when she's, you know, jumping into the conversation and saying we just need to listen to each other, like, she's really trying to help.

And like, no one else is taking that POV because everybody is like divided.

Divided.

No, but you're right.

Heather is like genuinely like a nice, I think, like a nice person who means well and just wants everyone to like be happy.

That can be annoying 100%.

100%.

Especially when you're in a bad place like Leah is.

And when Leah.

So why does Leah just not like her to begin with?

And then what Leah said about like Heather having to be the moral authority on everything, having to contribute to every conversation, like having to be right and know so much, like I could also see how that could be annoying, but does not justify that reaction.

No, Leah gave a perfect analysis of like why Heather can be annoying.

Like she said she has to be in every conversation and not only that, she has to be like the expert on everything.

And it's annoying, just like talk you don't have to be the expert on race you don't have to be an expert on the election it is a really annoying characteristic and i think leah like read her personality perfectly but leah's reaction was so unwarranted and i actually felt so bad for heather like what a miserable fucking trip like and really all spearheaded by leah and it's like what does leah have against heather like it's so bizarre and i think it's a combination of Just Leah and Heather being like two different people and like Leah just not liking her.

And then also Leah.

Leah and Heather are so similar.

Also Leah like being in a bad place.

Yes, definitely.

And I, again, I understand how it's annoying that Heather is the moral authority on everything, but she's a good person, well-intentioned, like literally hasn't said a rude thing to anyone, like constantly just trying to like be a team player.

And so...

If anything, she's annoying, but like, she's not mean.

No.

She's not mean-spirited.

She's not mean.

And the way that Leah treated her, like, that's how you treat like an evil villain.

Like, oh, don't leave me in the car with this.

And I loved when Heather finally fought, like, stood up for herself and was like, oh, shut up, bitch.

Like, like we're just sitting in the car and then she threw the flowers and swarmed out she's so irrational sometimes you know it's weird with leah because i can't decide like if i think she's the most irrational person because sometimes she's just insane and then sometimes she'll say something that is just like so poignant and i'm like you are so clear-headed yeah which one is it i i literally don't know

catch you a girl who can do both i think it's both and i also think like I don't know how she could have not gone on the trip, but like to have to film, it's not fair to the other ladies to have.

She should have left a while ago.

It's just not fair

to have this person who is so deeply mourning to also have to be a housewife, but there's not enough women for her to just leave.

Yeah,

it's weird.

It's weird, but I loved her outfit, her carry outfit.

Oh, her carry outfit, the the parents.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Yeah, no, again, not for me, but I think it was Sonia who said she's dressed as Leah.

And speaking of Sonia, I think my favorite part of the episode and why, like, I'm like really liking Ebony so far is like she's being so kind to Sonia.

And literally, it like like made me realize like no one has ever been like outwardly like nice to Sonia and when she like called her friend to set her up and she just keeps telling Sonia that she's worthy I like I actually really believe like that Sonia needed to hear that I agree and I think it's so nice and I'm like so surprised by like how I never realized how like all the women are like so mean to Sonia like yeah she they're just always putting her down and like I think she's always even when someone is her friend and confidant on the show like she's always the sidekick like she's never she's never the main character That's so true.

She's such a main character.

She's a star.

I mean, when she was like supporting Ebony and like talking about race, I was like, this girl, like she was just being so everything of the sort.

Yeah.

And I think that like it's time.

It's Sonia's time.

It's Sonia's time.

I agree.

That was one of my favorite aspects of the episode.

I love that Ebony like sees, and when Sonia said, like, I feel seen, like, I love that Ebony sees her.

That was a beautiful moment on the beach.

Like, truly.

Also, that activity of fishing and then like a little beachside lunch looked so fun.

They're doing a good job with the planning on on this particular trip.

Like the Hamptons usually like they don't do anything, but I love this idea of a pageant.

Yeah, we'll see.

Yeah, we'll see.

I don't think Leah goes.

I didn't see her in the preview.

Yeah.

She shouldn't.

She's miserable.

She shouldn't.

I mean,

we'll see.

We'll see.

But I agree.

Like, after this trip, Heather, I don't, don't believe films anymore.

Like, why the fuck would she?

Why the fuck would she?

But, and I'm, and I'm upset about it because I think that they didn't give her a chance and I think that she is a nice person.

I think she has potential and I think she's a nice person too.

The podcast stuff is like annoying, but like, who cares?

Everyone talks shit.

Like, that's not a real thing.

Who cares?

I talk shit about literally everyone I know, even people I like absolutely adore.

Right.

It doesn't mean I don't like you.

I just like am.

I just had something to say.

I'm just a bitch.

Like

normalize talking shit about people like that you like.

It's like really not a big deal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't talk shit about you though.

Oh, thanks.

I don't talk shit about you.

Liar.

That's our show.

That is our show.

And you know what?

We're going to end it because you need to go and listen to this interview with...

Mr.

Wonderful.

Yeah, so a reminder that if you're listening to this podcast, it is just coming up right after this.

It's also available on YouTube.

He was in studio with us.

We did a wine tasting.

It's a really great video.

So if you can, I would suggest heading over to YouTube, but both options are so premium.

And

we loved having him.

It's such a fun interview.

You guys are going to love it.

So check that out.

And the Deer Toaster segment that we usually do on Wednesdays is going to be tomorrow just so we can even things out a little bit, you know?

100%.

We shall see you tomorrow.

Have a great day, guys.

Bye.

Welcome back to the Morning Toast.

We are so excited to be sitting down with someone we...

very much respect and talk about all the time here at the morning toast.

It is Kevin O'Leary, also known as Mr.

Wonderful.

Thank you, Mr.

Wonderful, for being here.

I'm so happy to be here.

This is wonderful.

It is wonderful.

It's wonderful.

It's wonderful.

On wonderful.

Yes.

That's great.

Can you tell us, you brought us a gift.

You set up this entire little

moment.

What is going on here?

Well, today's a very special day in New York.

And I haven't been to New York for over a year because of the whole COVID thing.

But today my wine company is going public on NASDAQ through a SPAC.

In other words, it got acquired into a public company.

Oh.

And that's a very big day for us.

We have been growing and growing and growing for seven years.

We're now one of the largest wine companies in North America.

And this is a big moment because we'll be making lots of announcements at 4 o'clock when I ring the closing bell.

Wow.

Any sneak peeks for us?

Yeah, I'll tell you what, but let me just put on my very important elements when you're in the wine business.

Just a little jeunais c'est qui.

Oh!

And this is my testevin.

Let me explain what this is.

This is when I'm in the cellar, because I blend all the wines, or at least the O'Leary wines you're you're seeing.

We go into the oak caskets and we take a little siphon called the thief and put a little bit into here, let it mix with the air, taste it, and then spit it out.

Because if you do that for every barrel, you're going to get really wasted.

Yes.

So that's the whole idea.

So the Test of MB has become the symbol of wine making all around the world.

And there's very famous organizations like the Chevalier de Testa Vin.

I love when you say that on chart.

I'm a member of, and

those of us who blend wines.

Now, these two wines I brought to celebrate with is my, these are my most award-winning wines and my biggest sellers.

My Chardonnay,

it's more of the Montraché style, which is the French style of making Chardonnay.

Very crisp, very light, less oak, and then my incredible Cabernet Sauvignon, which has won award after award after award.

Wow.

Even Andy, our cameraman, when he was proposed to his fiancée, he took all the insurance necessary, which was two glasses of this.

Oh, my God.

And she immediately said, yes, I'll marry you.

That's what I'm saying.

That's so wow.

And you know what?

Like, I feel like you've kind of made a mark for yourself in Chardon as the wine guy.

And when I met you, I feel like a lot of people don't know this, but it's pretty common.

You and your wife taught me that you can tell what kind of wine is in the bottle based on the shape of the bottle.

Is that correct?

You can.

You can.

This is the classic French Cabernet, and that's the classic Chardonnay.

Now, what's happened in America, you know, the most popular wines today are the Cabernet Sauvignon Red and the Chardonnay.

Chardonnay exploded when they started growing the grapes in California decades ago and they started competing globally and California shards started kicking French shards' butts a lot in international contests where it's blind taste testing.

So the wine industry, the American wine industry, particularly in Washington State, Sonoma Valley, Napa Valley, It's really a big business now.

But there's an old joke about the wine business.

If you want to become a millionaire in the wine business, start as a billionaire.

Because everybody blows their brains out.

They make it a labor of love.

I'm in it to make money.

And the only way you can make money in the wine business is have huge scale, be able to ship millions of cases, be able to fulfill Costco and Target, my own wines.

And the new trend, which we've really blown up big, is 46 states allow you to ship directly to your customer.

Remember, a case of wine weighs 39 pounds.

So if you get it direct, it's coming right to your door.

And I have built that business up to being the largest direct consumer in the world,

at least in North America.

I can't say the globe yet because I don't know what they're doing in China.

Right.

But I'll kick the Chinese butts too.

Yeah, in COVID, I mean, direct to your home wine is everything.

Yeah, and what happened was people didn't stop drinking wine during COVID, but what really got crushed was our business to restaurants.

And that's when we replaced it with a direct to consumer and blew that business up even bigger.

And now people are saying, I don't want to carry 12 bottles back from the store.

Just ship me another case, Mr.

Wonderful.

Yeah.

And I oblige.

So you, I think one of my favorite interesting facts about you is now you're conquering wine you've very much made yourself the wine connoisseur but what you don't get enough credit for is you were also the original inventor of a childhood staple of ours the oregon trail yes the oregon trail read a rabbit where in the world's carmen san diego all those titles yes and that's how i came up that was my first business was educational software um oh my gosh i didn't know that yeah that was it and we used to develop all kinds of titles um You know, Oregon Trail was an incredible product because it started in Minneapolis, I think Minnesota.

And

I may have forgotten exactly which city, but I remember when we bought the title, acquired it, I was blown away by how rich the storytelling was in it.

Yes, your ox died of sedentary.

Like, it was crazy.

Yeah, and, you know, people would...

try and get through the brutal lifestyle of moving west in you know in that time but we invested a lot of money into it and made it one of the standards of 110 000 school buildings in America.

Yes, and I were among those schools.

Right, it's literally a cornerstone, like a staple of millennial, like early education.

I like have very fond memories of it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We sold that company for $4.2 billion.

Very nice.

And I started with nothing in the basement, you know, sort of a garage thing.

And the 10 of us that were founders, that was our big liquidity event.

Yeah.

And since then, I've made many mistakes, but also made a couple of good investments, too.

So it was a really big...

It was a big moment for us because we really had nothing and then boom.

And I remember the day we went back in the office and and I said to everybody what are you going to do we can all retire and everybody said I don't want to retire yeah let's keep going so you entered the wine business as a billionaire

well yes

but but I've really learned a lot

from the wine business most of the companies that I've made money with have been run by women

that I've invested in and the wine business included I remember when it started it was actually a shark tank deal years and years ago called Zips Wine single serve wine oh wait I remember with them.

Yeah, of course.

You guys went back and forth, back and forth.

Yes, and it was one of the famous, first time a guy ever came back twice.

Yes.

But I'll tell you the story of that.

The day after that aired, and I won the deal, I thought the place to get this into would be Costco.

Yeah.

And there's a very famous story about Costco.

This

woman named Annette Alvarez, who started in Costco in Florida, in Miami, sweeping floors.

She had such an incredible palate to taste wine that she quickly moved up the ranks to the regional buyer and then she became the national buyer and then the head buyer for the whole of Costco.

And what you have to know is Costco is the largest wine buyer in the world.

Period.

Nobody's bigger anywhere on earth.

So they get everything.

She had 12 buyers underneath her and it was also known that nobody could ever get to her.

Every wine company in the world wanted to talk to her but she just wouldn't take calls.

So After Shark Tank, I thought, I wonder if she's a Shark Tank fan.

And I've got a guy on my staff that goes into the dark dark net and knows how to get cell numbers.

And so he got her cell number for me, and I called it, and I left her a message saying, hey, it's Kevin Lair in Shark Tank.

I have no idea if you watch the show at all, but I have this product called Zips.

I'd like to show it to you.

20 minutes later, the phone rings.

It's Annette Alvarez.

And she says, you were rude to Barbara last night.

I went, what?

What does that have to do with anything?

She said, no, we're not doing any business till you apologize to Barbara.

Wow.

I said, what did I do wrong?

She said, you were rude to her.

You cut her off.

She was speaking.

I said, that happens every day on Shark Tank.

Plus, you want to have less out of Barbara, not more.

Anyways, we made it work, and she said, look, I'll give you one hour, John Wayne Airport, this Saturday, and I want to meet your wife.

Oh, wow.

I want to know who would marry a guy like you.

I said, okay.

And I said, Linda, we're going to John Wayne Airport.

We're going to meet Annette Alvarez.

And here's where it all starts.

We meet her.

We sit down with her.

She says, Kevin.

Let me tell you something about the wine business.

You don't know.

If you want to make money in the wine business and not be one of these schmos that just starts a little winery and says, oh, look, I got a winery,

you have to be able to ship me 150,000 cases in a day.

Wow.

And I said, Annette, I can't do that.

She said, you can if you partner with Vintage Wine Estates, a guy named Pat Roney.

You go cut a deal with him, you come back to me and watch what happens.

And she was the woman who gave me the advice that turned this whole thing and blew it up, and now we're going public today.

Wow, well, congrats.

Yes, but I'm just telling you, listen to women sometimes.

All the time.

Yeah.

I'm just, so I shut up and listen a lot because that was great, great information.

That's so interesting.

And, you know, because it's very, you know, you see you on Shark Tank, it's such a big show.

And I think a lot of people are on the misconception that that's all you do.

You know, like you're a famous person now who made, you know, his billions on your educational company.

And now you just are a famous person who does Shark Tank, but you're still very much active in a lot of companies, correct?

Yeah, I have 35 plus portfolio companies across a wide range of activities, everything commercial kitchens.

We do insecticides, we've got wireless charging companies, we make a very famous gym equipment for condominiums here in New York.

That business exploded during COVID.

We have the wine business, obviously, and many, many, many others.

I will tell you something, each day there's a catastrophe in some part of my business

portfolio.

Something horrible is happening.

And at the same time, the phone rings, and it's some euphoric outcome.

Somebody's buying another one of our businesses.

Right.

And it's just like like a passion play every day.

Yeah.

You know, on one end, total shit.

On the other side, fantastic things.

And I've kind of gotten into the groove now and I say, well, okay, that's just the way it's going to be.

You can't make everything work and then every once in a while, boom.

It hits big.

So how many, an estimate, how many companies do you think you've invested in from Shark Tank?

Oh, it's got to be

maybe over 100 by now.

I've been doing this for 13 years.

And how many an estimates do you think you've made a pretty good return on?

Well, what happens is, let me give you the ratio because we've got all this data.

In normal venture capital, when you go to Boston and talk to Silicon Valley to a venture capital firm, they do 10 deals and you look over eight years, what happens?

Two of them are absolutely wild successes.

They make 40, 50 times on their money.

And then about four of them

are living dead.

They're still in business, but they're just...

Barely getting by.

Barely getting by and unfortunately waste a lot of your time.

And the rest go to zero.

And so it's sort of, you know, 20% work in the real world.

In Shark Tank, 50% work.

And here's why.

Here's the secret sauce.

So 50% of our deals make money because see how we're sitting here doing social media and you reach out and you've got millions of people listening to you.

Your customer acquisition costs are very low.

Yes.

Right?

We get 100 million eyeballs a year on Shark Tank through syndication in 23 countries.

Wow.

When we put a product on Shark Tank, it's not uncommon to get all your money back in 24 hours.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, exactly what happens.

And so our customer acquisition costs are either zero or very low.

So even a marginal company, a shitty company that can't acquire customers, gets this jolt

of free advertising for decades.

Yeah.

And boom, they just keep selling stuff.

And we have all this stuff documented, the rise.

So the whole thing about Shark Tank is getting on Shark Tank.

And if you can get a deal, then you get the updates, which are really powerful.

Some companies.

We love the updates.

Beyond the tank.

Beyond the tank.

We love.

We love.

But, you know, you get more sales on updates sometimes than you get on the main show.

Huh.

So you want to get a deal.

That's the secret sauce to Shark Tank.

That's so interesting.

What's your favorite category or type of product that comes into the tank when you're like, oh, I'm listening to this one?

I love companies, you know, right across the board, every category included, that has already figured out social media and direct-to-consumer sales and they know their customer acquisition cost.

When they walk on that set and say, look, we don't sell retail, we sell direct to consumer, and here's our customer acquisition cost, here's the margins we make, all I'm doing then is pouring gasoline on the fire.

If they're asking for a million bucks, I'm happy to give it to them.

Yeah.

Because what's going to happen is we're going to just blow that business up because they've solved all the problems already.

Like the infrastructure is already there.

Exactly.

And the ones that I, those are the deals I tend to do.

Anything run by a woman gets priority for me because I've made so much money with women.

I'm just, you know, I'm biased in some ways.

I shouldn't be, but

women tend to mitigate risk.

You know, that old expression, you want something done, give it to a busy mother.

Yeah.

Like they can keep a lot of stuff in the air at once, and that's what you need in small business.

And also, they're much more savvy on social.

Yes, I agree.

And women are more likely to engage and share on social, so you want a woman speaking to them.

And well, the same way you do it.

You know, you connect with these...

you know, other people and they just want to hear what's next from you.

Right.

Well, companies that have figured that out have very, very, very powerful business models.

Yeah.

And so what would you say is your most successful business investment from Shark Tank?

Is it plated, even though that wasn't?

It is.

It's a New York City deal in some sense, right?

It was started here by a couple of entrepreneurs.

They came on the show.

They had a ridiculous valuation.

They didn't get a deal.

A year later, they run into me in the street and say, hey, listen, we've been tenderized by the real world.

We're willing to cut a deal.

And so we do it.

We do a deal, and then they get back into the tank in a follow-up.

And then one day we get a call from Albertsons right after Amazon bought Whole Foods and said, we need to buy a digital platform.

Right.

340 million smackaroos.

Wow.

And the business was like 36 months old.

That's crazy.

Those dudes rode into the sunset.

That's amazing.

We love so many of the episodes where you have guest sharks.

We learn so much from them.

Who was your dream guest shark for the tank?

Have they already been on?

Well, no, no.

My dream guest shark is Mr.

Wonderful.

I love that guy.

I love that guy.

I love that guy, yeah.

We've had a lot of guest sharks.

We've had all kinds of guest sharks.

Some are better than others.

Some, you know, what happens with Shark Tank, and this includes all the people that come and pitch, they, you know, 100,000 people apply.

340 get picked.

220 get taped.

Maybe 180 air.

Wow.

Okay, so here's what happens.

You've been practicing for months.

You know you're going to get on that carpet.

Yeah.

And then

you walk out the door.

And even though you've practiced, now it's real.

Yeah.

26 cameras rolling, jibs moving down, you know, steady cam all around you, and you freeze.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's sometimes it's painful.

I have to say, like, at least for me, I can think of one episode in particular that will, for me, ever go down as the worst pitch ever.

And he actually went to your college.

Yeah, he was.

I think that's why I remember him.

He had that app that was like basically a map of the airport and it would help you like find restaurants.

And

he was like such a classic millennial, like needing validation.

And then he went back and he was like crying in his mom's arms.

Like it was just all so like funny.

But he sucked.

And no, and the app was like he was going around to different airports and writing down like where there was no real like infrastructure.

Like do you have like memories or things that you like always will remember as being like funny or particularly like terrible?

You know, I get in a lot of trouble for being the mean shark.

I'm not the mean shark.

I just tell the truth.

Yeah.

When it sucks, it sucks.

Yeah.

Okay.

And it's very important that they know it sucks so that they don't do it again.

Stop sucking.

Yeah.

Like try and come up with something better and then come back.

We've had people come back, but it's really a bad idea if it's going to go to zero and you take your family's mortgage down.

It's just crazy.

Well yeah, you seem like you're very much on like the tough love side of things.

Well I'm just the truth and if you can't deal with me, imagine the real world, what it's going to do to you.

Yeah.

You're going to get fried.

And so that's my attitude.

But you know, I got to listen to Barbara and I got to listen to Lori.

Yeah.

But you seem like you'd love it.

Like it's a great part of your job.

Yeah, but they, you know, what they do is they say, well, look, I'm not going to invest in you.

This is Barbara all the time.

I'm not going to invest in you.

But you keep doing what you're doing.

And I look at her and say, what are you doing?

Like, don't you have any morals?

The only reason Barbara gets to the Shark Tank set each year is I buy her a new brew.

You guys have such a great dynamic.

I'm curious, is that for show, or you guys act like that behind off-screen too?

You all have a crazy dynamic.

We're like friends.

We've been dealing with each other for over 13 years.

So

we try and be cordial.

But we're competitors.

We're competing for deals and we like each other and all that stuff.

Barbara's a great cook.

When I'm in New York, I'll often go and have dinner with her.

She's great.

We're also incredibly busy.

I've never seen all the sharks get in a room during the offseason ever.

It's impossible to get them back together.

Not even for a birthday party?

Well, we can't, but everybody's so everywhere.

And so the only date we know we're going to see each other all together is the first shoot date of Shark Tank when we just clear our schedules and we go do it.

Right, yeah.

It's such a great show.

It's become such like a...

a part of like American culture and like business culture.

And the business education, I think that, especially for us, but I think for so many people, like everything we know about business, we know from Shark Tank.

So no one thought that would happen.

Certainly most people thought business would be boring.

Yeah.

That did not turn out to be the case.

I remember the moment that it all changed.

I'll never forget it.

I think it was Boston Logan Airport.

I've been doing Shark Tank for three years.

No one knew anything about it.

Nobody watched it.

It was just, you know, the only people watching were two dogs and a cat.

Right.

That was about it.

But all of a sudden, in year four, something happened.

You know, it was coming out of that really big financial crisis in 2008, and entrepreneurship started to be very hip, and Shark Tank caught on.

And I went to the, I was with my wife and daughter at

the airport, and I went into the men's room, and I, you know, was at the urinal doing my business, and there was a guy to my right, two over, right?

And he kept looking at me.

And

I've noticed he kept looking at me, and he said, Are you that guy on Shark Tank?

I said, Yeah,

that's the first time it ever happened.

He said, You're an asshole.

And I said, Why would you say that?

I said, Last night on Shark Tank, you took 51% of a startup.

That's outrageous.

Business is business.

I said, Hey, it's my money.

I'll cry if I want to.

What are you talking about?

And I said to him, Listen, a lot of people make deals in bathrooms, but not here today, my friend.

Right.

I'm going to run my business the way I see I should.

100%.

And he couldn't have known that Linda and Savannah are out there.

He goes outside, and I find out later that he said to Linda, that asshole, Kevin O'Leary, is in the men's room.

Oh, I didn't know it was your wife.

No, and she said, I know.

Oh, my God.

It's really an amazing show, and I feel like before Shark Tank, entrepreneur meant unemployed, and now it really means like it's, you've shaped a culture around the word, and it's something people want to aspire to be and start their own businesses.

And I just love it.

We do.

We love the entrepreneurship.

We're talking about what you've done here because you're the girl that's basically telling everybody you're unemployed.

You're a comedian,

which is erratic work, to say the best.

And then you come in here with your sister every day and you produce this, which has actually been very successful for you.

So yes, you're unemployed, but you're making money.

Right, it's the beautiful poetic irony of it all.

It is, but I wonder how many millennials now, even Gen Zers, are going to look at your model, both of you, and say, say, I need to do that because you have control over your own destiny.

Yes, I think we're living in a world where kids today want to grow up to be influencers, podcasters, because part of the job is to make it look easy.

You know, take beautiful photos, filter everything.

What a lot of people don't see is a lot of the job is boring.

paperwork like you would do at any other nine to five to job but influencing is the one industry that's literal sole purpose is to make it look fabulous make it look fun make it look easy make it look you know easy road to money and fame.

When in reality, it's actually a lot of work.

And

we do a daily podcast, which is crazy because most people do weekly podcasts.

And I can't count on my hand the number of podcasts that launch and never go past 10 episodes.

Even producing one episode a week is incredible hard work.

So it's just one of those things that looks super easy.

And I think that's why a lot of people want to do it.

It looks like it's the, you know, the fast track to money and fame.

When in reality, it's actually the opposite.

But it's more than that because, you know, if you ask millennials, eight out of ten will say, I'm going to be an influencer.

You can't just become an influencer.

The market is really cruel that way.

You have to have something about you.

Maybe your story, the fact that you're a comic, that gives the magnetism that creates an interest for other people.

Most people don't have that.

Yeah, well, it's so saturated right now.

Well, it's not only saturated, breaking through, even if you have it, is next to impossible.

Yes.

Getting your first million followers is really, really hard, let alone 100,000.

And and so you really can't get traction till you get scale yes yeah and what I've learned you know dealing with all the influencers that I deal with and the stuff we do is that unfortunately for some people they don't realize early enough that people smell bullshit a mile away yes and you when you get canceled you're canceled yeah you ain't coming back well we might be different

we can't actually whack-a-mole we wrote the book on cancellation and cancel culture literally and I actually disagree I think we're living in a really interesting time right now where it's like a rubber band that's going to snap.

I think that for a while, it was, that was the case.

Like, if you had even a stinch of scandal or controversy.

What about all these people that got me too'd?

Well, that's different.

Yeah, we try to separate.

Versus crimes.

Yes.

So we feel like cancel culture is this huge bubble where we're like always canceling people for saying bad things and doing bad things.

But actually, the two of them are incredibly different.

If you were me too'd, you are a criminal.

Like that is separate.

We're talking about cancel culture.

You know, you have tweets resurfaced from when you were in high school.

You make a joke that not everyone thinks is funny because, you know, we're living in overly sensitive times.

Like that type of cancel culture is so toxic because, first of all, it leaves no room for growth.

Okay, Roseanne Barr.

Ooh.

I'll tell you why I bring that one up.

Okay.

She changed forever the morality contracts in Hollywood that I was subject to in subsequent contracts.

You know, the story, just so we bring it to viewers to understand here, and and I want to hear your response because you're saying not necessarily right she did she said something very off-color.

Yes.

Very

That was her comedy 10 years ago.

Yes, okay

The network that was sponsoring the number one show had 80 million I think 68 million worth of upfront advertising the CEO canceled it an hour and a half later gave all the money back to the advertisers.

Yeah.

Canceled the show.

That's extreme.

Yes, because because I do think her tweet was incredibly wrong and affected.

Where does it fit in your continuum?

I'm trying to press the.

So we like to say that every cancellation is not one size fits all.

I need to know all the details.

So

for that, for that Roseanne thing, like she was however old she is, like a 50-year-old woman, like saying something in present times that she really should not have said.

Like I don't, I actually think like her being removed from the show was the best thing for it.

I don't know if the show needed to be canceled in its entirety.

There were other people working on the show, actresses.

120 people.

100 and yeah.

They brought it back in a different format, and I think a lot of people got their jobs back.

And it's still on, and it's successful.

Look, I'm not endorsing what she said, but I'm pointing out to you that these extremes on cancellation are really serious.

Yes.

And it has materially affected her ability to get back into her business.

Yes.

And so it was horrible what she did.

Yes.

But that was her comedy.

Yeah, there has to be consequence.

Like, we live in a time, and I think we've all kind of come to the realization, we live in a time that's very different than the time that was 10 years ago.

And we all need to adjust.

And I think that if you're still saying certain things in this day and age, like there are consequences for what you say, but I don't think that people should be held to the same standard.

You make a joke in 2010 and it resurfaces in 2021.

That's not fair.

We're living in different times.

Well, then you're right in that case because I don't think you can be sexist or racist, period.

Not now, not back then, not in the future.

I don't think that's a good thing for anybody.

And I think that's what got her in real trouble

because she took something that maybe she she thought could pass 10 years ago and tried it out today and then

done.

So you're the same, I assume.

Comedy is a really interesting space.

Well, that's what I wanted to probe into.

Right, so comedy, like most comedians have podcasts, and comedy and podcasting couldn't be more different.

Comedy is no holds bar.

People fight for the right to say whatever they want because it's a joke and you should be able to make a joke about anything.

Whereas podcasting comes from the digital space, and the digital space is so sensitive.

Comedy, there's many classic comics that are really, really on the edge.

Dave Chappelle.

On the edge on sexist, racist stuff.

Like,

can you do?

You can't do that anymore.

No.

We're talking about comedy in the comedy vertical.

My personality.

Going into a club and really laying it out there.

My personal style of comedy is very specific and intentional.

Like I do self-deprecating comedy.

I make fun of myself because no one can be mad at you if you're making fun of yourself.

You're not offending anyone.

I'm literally just offending myself.

Okay, so you think those comics have to change.

They can't do their traditional routines anymore.

I think comedy is like the last remaining corner of the earth where you can say crazy things, but I don't think it'll last long.

It's already very touchy.

You're saying you won't last long.

Yeah, one won't last long.

Still, I think a...

a frontier that's in question.

I think people are sticking up for the right to joke about what you want to joke about.

And then there are people who are like, you can't make jokes about that.

And I think depending on the comedian or depending on the celebrity or influencer, when we say like, you can be canceled and you can come back, you have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

No corporation is going to give you a job.

No brand is going to endorse you.

Like you need to make the chance for yourself because

the industry and the world that we live in is not going to give you a second chance.

You can't be able to be canceled in a sense you can't go into mainstream.

You have to do it yourself.

Yes.

And you need to find your audience and you like you have to start from scratch and then you build something that is impenetrable.

You are in charge of your own destiny.

No one can cancel you because you own your own show.

You make all your own revenue.

You make your own merch.

Like, you don't rely on any other company.

You're going to a larger company, and we're, you know, in these extremely sensitive times, like, that's corporate culture.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think this, this, this model you've developed for yourselves, actually, proven it out, is very desirable for many people who want to control their own destiny.

Yeah.

I think you work harder than you would in a corporate environment.

You have more risk in your life because you don't know what can happen.

You have to put up your own money when you start it.

And you also may make one mistake and get fried and have to start again.

Yeah.

But the beautiful thing about the internet is that it's just the wild west.

You can do anything you want.

And there's so many people on it.

Like we've just kind of cycled through so many different stages of our business.

We're entering a new one every week.

Like that's just, you have to keep up with it.

And you have to shed your old skin and just keep moving forward if you want to stay in this industry for a long time.

I think you do, don't you?

Of course.

You've bypassed all the traditional media.

Like it used to be, you'll never get on this network again, you'll never get this, you'll never get that, and it was all controlled by Hollywood agents and all that stuff.

And to a certain extent, television still is that way.

But,

you know, I have more followers now than most of the networks I'm on.

And it's a strange phenomenon that, you know, I can reposition that content, modify it somewhat, and get to a brand new audience in a different way.

Yeah.

I'm not sure the model doesn't keep going in that direction.

And that, you know,

linear television continues to decline as social you know this is kind of a social network itself you know every influencer podcaster whatever becomes their own little media industry and be the bigger you get you do almost have more reach think of like podcasting versus radio radio is you know huge a lot of podcasts reach more people than traditional radio shows do podcasts used to be framed you know what i like to i get invited on a lot of podcasts including this one and what i like to do is resist the temptation to to go look at all the previous podcasts.

I don't want to know anything about you when I show up here.

I mean, I met you for a few hours, right, on an island.

I thought I was thoroughly entertaining.

But I want to go in fresh.

Yeah.

And then later, you know, if we start doing it over and over again, I kind of get the groove of where it is.

But I've been much more successful doing that in terms of engaging.

And podcasts aren't just audio anymore.

They're video.

Yeah.

That's what a podcast is.

It's just another television show.

yeah literally and my attitude is it's much fresher when you go in cold yes I agree you know I hate all the scripted stuff and everything else I just did the pomps podcast in Miami last week we had a crazy amount of fun because we said no questions pre you know set yeah let's just see what happens yeah yeah it was fun that's the way it should be definitely a refreshing format you're not bound by those restraints of even cursing like something as simple as that right time constraints like you can really go for topic matter who knows where you go, right?

Right, exactly.

Even from wine to Roseanne Barr.

Yeah, exactly.

But I think those are serious issues.

Let's go back to wine because I want to try.

Can we taste?

I want to try, I want to give you, we're going to start with the Chardonnay, even though it's not chilled, but this Chard just won its fifth gold award.

Now, let me tell you something about the wine business just before we pour this.

97% of wine in America is sold for under $14.99 a bottle.

Wow.

Nobody knows that.

That means 3%, which is virtually nothing, are those expensive wines.

The challenge becomes, how do you make a wine that tastes like it's worth $60 that you can buy for $11?

And I spent a lot of time on this because I wanted my return rates, because I'm going direct to consumer, to be less than 2%, which was my goal.

They're significantly less than 1%.

So that means I have to kind of adapt to the palate.

Most women drink Pinot Brigot and Chardonnay.

They drink whites.

So you need to work with a lot of women to sample.

I'll blend it.

I'll try it on my wife, try it out on her friends, then do some serious taste testing, sampling to get the vibe from what a Miami woman says versus a California woman versus somebody in champagne or banna to try and nail down, do I have it?

Yeah.

Because I'm blending these wines.

I'm adding little elements of other varietals to get that flavor.

About five years ago, I hit it big when

I started taking less.

You know, when you put Chardonnay into an oak barrel, it gets buttery, oaky.

And women were moving away from that.

They were saying, give me something fresher, it's too heavy, you know?

And I went in that direction, and then I started winning awards like this.

Oh, I'm so excited to try this because I'm usually not a huge Chardonnay fan, but I love Sauvignon Banque, Pinot Grigio, Sans Serre.

But if you're saying this isn't like a buttery, heavy Chardonnay, so I took this way off in that direction, which is actually a classic Montraché style, which is what the French do in the DRC region of France.

So let's try this.

How much is that bottle?

This bottle tonight, the reason I'm talking about it, when we go public, we're going to do a giant sale on QVC.

Normally it would be $15.99.

Tonight it's going to be $11.12.

$15.99 is still a great price.

It's, but we're going to sell...

I did something remarkable a few weeks ago on QVC.

In 20 hours, we sold $5.2 million worth of wine.

Wow.

Wow.

Did you work with Laurie?

No, I worked with Mr.

Wonderful.

Oh, good.

Chef Wonderful.

I hear good things, things, yeah.

No, listen, you know, I'm the wine guy in QVC now because I think people trust me when I say, I have your back.

I really know what I'm talking about.

I would trust you, like, to choose a wine for me.

Will you also show us the right way to taste wine without looking like a fool?

I absolutely love it.

Great question.

We have these COVID glasses, which are fantastic.

Yes.

Normally, you would never overfill a glass of wine.

You have to leave enough space, the air, to mix with the wine so you can swill it a little bit.

Good tonight.

It smells delightful.

Yeah, now let's do this because this should be chilled, but it's not because it came to the studio.

Now the nose, you should be picking up some apricot and apple here.

Yeah, right.

Okay so now take a little bit and just let it roll back on the back of your tongue.

Stunning.

Nectar from the nipple of Aphrodite.

No, it's really delicious.

It's so good.

It's fantastic.

I actually don't drink wine, but

it's how crisp it is.

It's not oversweet.

It's towards what you liked in the dryness.

Yes.

This is a monster for me.

This wine is my number one seller in white.

Really?

It's delightful.

It is delightful.

Stunning color as well.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

And so, you know, this kind of wine would be fantastic with cheese.

It would be great in the summertime, terrific with chicken.

People like to drink it.

I always drink a glass of white at four o'clock when the market closes, and I have one, sometimes two, and then I go to my reds.

So we're going to go to red next.

Okay.

Okay.

Well, this was Chardonnay.

This is

stunning.

And then here.

Sometimes you can be a real asshole and stick your pinky out like this when you're drinking.

See that?

Oh, yeah, because we're fancy like that.

Exactly.

And you know, you're drinking with a dork when you do that.

Yes, someone uncultured.

Now,

and then this is a Cabernet Sauvignon is known for being

the big, spicy American red,

you know,

with meat and just a big, bold statement.

And and what you're looking for here is peppers and tannins and leather and just just richness and you get this by blending it again and so many people don't understand that to get the the tail of the flavor you have to you know maybe you sneak in two percent pinot or maybe you put in a syra or or something you have to blend you have to sit in the cellar for days with your test ofin

and try different stuff while not getting inebriated because you s you start you stop sensing the flavor.

So most of the time I'm tasting wine and spitting it out.

Spittoon.

So here we go.

Now this is going to have a huge nose.

Also five different awards on this one.

Oh wow.

The red wine with the white carpet is so neat.

So just thinking pink and white and everything here.

It's not a disaster.

It's going to be a splash of tie-dye.

When's the last time you did a wine tasting here?

Never.

Never.

We've never done it on the show.

Okay, so here we go.

It's good to start with the best.

It can only go down from here.

Yeah.

All right, so again, smells lovely.

We really want to, you know, we definitely.

Yeah, I don't want to see that drop.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now,

this is going to have

a peppery kind of spice to it.

And the more, if you waited 10 minutes, it would even be more bold because it's just aerating.

This is going to be really good, I can tell.

Okay, let's go.

Ready?

Oh, wow.

Ichi woba karamba.

That is fancy.

It's very good.

That is.

You know, I never drink red wine.

I never drink it.

Isn't that delicious?

Yeah.

People tell me all the time.

I really taste the pepper.

Yeah, you see it?

It's there.

And that took a long, long, many years.

I've been doing this wine for seven different years, different varietals, and started winning about four years ago when I started blending.

But, you know, you've got to try new things in wine.

And by the way, the health attributes of one glass of red a year, a day, for all year long,

works in longevity.

Yes, it's good for your heart.

Everything.

And so you don't have to get drunk.

You can just drink one glass of nine ounces of red wine a day and almost consider it medicine.

You also could get drunk if you want.

Well, that happens to me quite often.

I'm trying to avoid it.

Oops.

All right, so where can everyone buy O'Leary wines?

On QBC, you're having a big sale.

Well,

what I've learned is, this is the business side again.

Wine is three tiers of distribution.

So I used to give all my profits to distributors.

Then I learned how to sell direct when I got my social chops together.

And I started small, but now I'm huge.

So you can buy O'Leary Fine Wines at Shop Mr.

Wonderful starting tonight at midnight.

Wow.

We do our big sale and that site's going to stay up forever.

We're announcing it at the NASDAQ at 4.

You're getting a sneak peek.

Woo-hoo-hoo, this won't be up till tomorrow.

Anytime on QVC.com.

Fabulous.

The largest purveyor of wine and we ship it to you directly.

Wow.

A case at $29K.

That's pretty awesome.

It is great.

A lot of people go on to the program where they get shipped a case every 60 days.

Excuse me.

They put it

in a laid-down kind of wine cellar box, and you stick it in the back of your closet.

Boom, you got wine all the time.

Forever, yeah.

Well, it's delicious.

Thank you so much for being here.

You can keep up with Kevin, obviously, on Shark Tank, on Instagram at KevinO'Leary TV, on YouTube.

And that's our show.

Thank you so much for being here.

I really enjoyed it.

One more sip, please.

Cheers to us.

That was great.

Cheers.

What fun.

What fun.

What fun.

Cheers.

Thank you guys for watching.

We'll see you tomorrow.

Bye.