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Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the Morning Toast.

Happy Wednesday.

It is hump day

here in New York.

I don't know what day it is elsewhere, but I hope that you all are humping someone you absolutely love today.

I, for one, will be partaking with my son Theo.

I'm so happy for you.

So happy to to see Theo here.

He is looking splendid.

Theo's just got groomed, so he's smelling like so delicious.

I want to like stick my nose up his butt.

He's hitting you with that doo doo doo doo.

Where are you?

Cutest little do.

Ugh, it's really feeling like a crunchy angel Dora kind of day.

You think?

I feel like that's what we need.

That's like the daily affirmation that we need today in order to get into the spirit of things.

Five, six, seven, eight.

Do do do to theodora.

Theodora.

Do to do to Theodora.

Do to do to Theodora.

Crunchy angel, Dora.

Beautiful, lovey Dora.

Precious man, Dora.

Longest ears, Dora.

Love of my life.

Oh, my.

Oh,

my.

You swerved on me.

Love of my life.

You swerved the fuck on me.

I'm so hurt and embarrassed.

We might have our first walk-off on this show.

Beautiful chemo.

Disgusting.

Perfect.

So, Dora.

Love Santa, Dora.

Theo, come here.

Never letting go, Dora.

Come here.

I wonder what happened.

Like, we have to watch it back, see what, like, what did I do that hurt his feelings?

Theo, I love you.

That was so crazy.

Please come back.

You look so cute right now.

He made a choice today.

Maybe he wanted you to be able to.

He woke up and chose hurtfulness.

Maybe he wanted you to be able to see him.

No.

I don't know.

I'm just trying to.

At first, I thought he was like getting off the couch because he was like fucking done with our singing.

And then not only did he not

disappear, he just turned his back on me completely.

Yeah, and went over to Yaranti.

That is really hard for me.

I don't know how I can go on with the show and do my job when I've just literally been slapped in the face with my own blood.

No, I know.

Nobody makes me bleed my own blood.

And that was supposed to be like an uplifting tune.

And it just turned so dark so fast for you guys.

And on Hump Day of all days, Theo.

Wow.

Well, we were.

It's trying to tell you something.

We planned on having a good show for you guys today, but now I just don't know.

I mean, for me, it's going great.

Happy for you.

Know that I am.

Really happy for you.

I mean,

just

ignore him.

I'm going to do my best.

I'm so upset and so hurt, but let's move on because we have a great show for you guys today.

It's Wednesday.

It's hump day, which means we have deer toasters, which I'm super excited about.

We should have our Real House Size of Dallas recap, but I just didn't feel like watching the subpar franchise, especially given all the drama going on in the A-plus franchises yesterday, which we will dive into in the fast five.

So there will be no TV recap today, and I know like the four people who watch Dallas will be upset, but for the most part, the community remains unaffected.

Yeah, we'll try again next week.

Just last night,

I had such a busy day.

Last night and last night, I did not get home till like 10 o'clock because we were recording Redheads.

Then we did our post-Redheads dinner, which was just such a blast.

And I was just wiped out.

I had been like binge reading and doing all my homework for four days in a row.

And I was just like, I can't do homework tonight.

Like, I need the night off.

So there was no Dallas for me.

I'm so sorry to report.

And my reasoning is more that I just didn't want to.

Yeah.

And the new episode of The Redheads drops tomorrow.

It is never too late to become a redhead.

Ever.

Never, ever.

Never.

And Snitch, last night when we recorded, she dropped her next, her Snitch's Choice.

Oh, wow.

And it seems super snitchy.

I know, I think I'm going to read it.

Some of, like, the Snitch's Choice.

Snitch has really, like, a cold following in the Redheads, you know, because some of the YA stands.

Some of her books are the most popular, and then others, Bright Side, are not.

But I look forward to a Snitch's Choice.

It's been a while.

I've actually just read two back-to-back Snitch's Choice.

She recommended It Ends With Us by Colleen Hoover, which I read yesterday.

And no, I read two days ago.

And then yesterday I read another Snitch, Colleen Hoover Hoover Rec, November 9th.

And it was so cute.

Like when we went to dinner, I joined the Redheads for dinner, and I had 5% left.

And like, it was killing me not to just finish it.

But I hate to rush reading the end when I'm waiting for, you know, a quote-unquote happy ending.

I won't spoil if that happened or not, but it was so good.

It was also a five-star.

Wow.

Should I read it?

No, you won't like it.

You will like It Ends With Us.

Okay, I will add that.

That sounds like a good lighter read, but right now I'm just in a heavy mode and I want to stay there until I can't know more.

Well,

I'm really excited about today's show because like I have so much to say about the gen shop at all.

Like my jaw literally hit the floor yesterday when that news broke.

And like that's where we like spring into action.

That's like for us here at the Morning Toast, that's like the biggest news of the year.

Yeah.

It's up there with like honestly Kim and Kanye getting divorced.

I kind of feel

bigger.

No, it's just so crazy.

Because at least the Kim and Kanye thing, it was sort of a slow burn, but like divorces happen.

You know, the statistics, 50%, that means 50% of the couples that we have ships for, our ships will sink.

That's the statistic.

But for a housewife to be arrested on charges such as these, an episode of American Greed, like literal season documentary of what she, like, I'm shook to the core.

And I think we should just get right into it because we're going to be able to do it.

I think we should too.

So, without further ado, it is time for the past.

Without further ado, do

where are you?

Okay.

Without further ado,

to Theodora.

No, I can't.

It's too hurtful.

Maybe he'll come back.

Maybe he'll transition back.

Okay.

Okay.

Do to do to Theodora.

Do to do to Theodora.

Do to do to Theodora.

Crunchy angel Dora.

Beautiful chemondora.

Love of my life, Dora.

Softest boy, Dora.

Please come back to mommy, Dora.

Stay with your auntie, Dora.

I don't think this is working, Dora.

He's chilling hard, Dora.

Theo, no.

You want to come?

You want to come to mama?

Wanna come and be my best friend?

Come on, my crunchy angel, man.

Come on.

Don't.

Yeah.

Jackie, let him go.

Shut your arm.

I want to see if he's actually going to to leave.

Theo, come here.

Tail is wagging.

Come on.

The tail is wagging.

Come on.

No, okay.

He likes to get empty tickles.

Okay, without further ado, it is.

Did we hit the crunchy?

I don't know.

No, okay, but we do have the crunchy dinner.

And now we're going to hit you with the crunch because, without further ado, it is time for the fast five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast.

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Okay, first story.

Waking up in the morning, thinking about Jen Chao's arrest.

I just wish she would stop toad

Guys, first story.

The only story.

Real Housewives of Salt Lake Cities.

Jen Shaw has been arrested, charged in a telemarketing fraud scheme.

Okay, Jen.

Here,

let's just give straight facts then our opinions.

Jen Shaw is facing federal charges for her alleged involvement in a nationwide telemarketing scheme.

The Reality Star was arrested on Tuesday alongside Stuart Smith, one of her assistants who has also appeared on the Bravo series.

They have both been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud in connection with telemarketing and conspiracy to commit money laundering.

Quote, Jen Shaw, who portrays herself as a wealthy and successful business person on reality television, and Stuart Smith, who is portrayed as her first assistant, allegedly generated and sold lead lists of innocent individuals for other members of their scheme to repeatedly scam, Manhattan U.S.

Attorney Audrey Strauss said in a press release.

In actual reality and as alleged, the so-called business opportunities pushed on the victims by Shaw and Smith and their co-conspirators were just fraudulent schemes motivated by greed to steal victims' money.

Now these defendants face time in prison for their alleged crimes.

So the crimes, the charges are that they victimized 10 or more persons over the age of 55 through wire fraud and telemarketing.

That carries a maximum sentence of 30 years.

Damn.

There's one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years.

Wow, okay, so let me just walk you through my thought process when I broke this news, when I heard this news.

So I heard it, and my mind immediately went to her being arrested.

I assumed that there was a video that was released like six months ago.

I guess someone secretly recorded her in her house of her like physically and verbally.

That was like one month ago.

What did I say?

Six months.

I haven't even watched Real Housewives.

I don't know.

I know the concept of time.

Yeah.

She was verbally and physically like assaulting and attacking one of her assistants.

So when I saw that she was arrested, I just assumed that it was for that.

Like I didn't even question it.

And then I read this like whole statement.

And I've honestly never been so shocked and so not shocked at the exact same time.

Like I didn't know how to describe what I was feeling because I was like surprised, but this just felt like it was supposed to happen.

No, it explains so much all of the questions about her finances that we've had over the course of the season.

No, and yeah, continue, sorry.

And no, I was shocked that like this is at this level.

Like this is a federal case.

This is an American greed.

And this is so, this, yeah, no, like textbook American Greed.

I watched an episode about like a telemarketing scam once.

It was like huge and it was so upsetting.

Like defrauding all these old people who don't know better.

better, right?

Like who their savings, like just retirement, so upsetting.

So like to think of the actual crime that was committed here is like so morally corrupt.

The morally corrupt Jen Shaw.

100%.

Title of today's episode.

And so there's two facets to the story.

It's one, it's the crime and like this is a this would be a big criminal news story regardless of whether or not she's a real housewife.

Agreed.

And then the other part is like they were filming.

They are filming.

She was filming that day and she left.

She got a call and she left.

And five minutes later, the FBI showed up to her.

They were filming.

And apparently, like, some of the women spoke to federal officers.

Right.

So what I'm seeing from like Bravo blogs, which of course is not 100% valid, but I feel like for the most part, they kind of nail it.

The women are going on a trip.

They're in Heber right now, which we've actually been to Heber in Utah.

And they were flying to Colorado and they're getting ready and the women are all together.

Jen, I guess, got tipped off by someone, like maybe her lawyer, that the FBI were like literally coming to raid her ass.

And she just bounced, said there was a family emergency, went, I don't know where she went, but she got

went to Coach Shah, and then I guess she, like, surrendered herself, because I saw a video of her walking in and out of like the county precinct or whatever it's called.

Yeah.

Looking fire, not to mention.

Also,

she had just, like, I saw on Instagram that she had just been in Glam

for filming.

For filming.

So

that will be crazy that they have that on camera.

But I want to talk about like what we expect Bravo to do about this.

Well, it's something similar we're dealing with with Tom and Erica Girardi, Girardi.

Even though Erica is the main character on the show and Tom is like a extra character who's going through the legal stuff, I do think we'll see more of Jen Shaw's than we will Erica Jane's.

You think Jen Shaw will stay on the show?

Oh, you mean, I mean, I think that this footage is not going to waste.

No, but like after this sea, after the second season,

there's a strong possibility she'll be in jail.

But Teresa went to jail and they waited for her.

I don't know if they can wait 30 years, but.

Yeah, I don't think Frances will still be on the show.

I mean, the legal system has to do what they do, but it's going to be a very long time.

And I just don't understand how now, and it's like we always say about like cancel culture, there's a difference between committing crimes and like

saying offensive things.

Like, I don't know how a person who has committed crimes such as these, what she's accused of, how you don't get fired for that.

Right, because I guess like the only really comparison here is Teresa Judice.

And now, in hindsight, it's like, why did Bravo choose that course of action for Teresa Judice?

Well, it was the best thing for the show.

Yeah, but like

she.

She defrauded the government, which like, fuck the government.

Honestly, I don't agree with what she did, but like, I'm like, all right, I can understand someone not wanting to pay their taxes.

You're more sympathetic towards

someone who defrauded the government versus someone who defrauded 10 or more elderly people.

You're more sympathetic towards Jen Shah's victims than you are to Teresa's victim, which was the government.

Right.

But they're both wrong, morally, ethically, they're both wrong.

But I guess this, like, I never questioned Teresa coming back because I didn't really feel like she hurt anybody in her crimes.

And the way it was portrayed was that it was really Joe's crimes.

And he forged Teresa's signature, and she was a mere victim in all this.

And she kind of took the brunt of his sentence.

But with this Jen Shaw thing, it's all, I don't think Coach Shaw was a part of it.

Yeah, and also I think the Erica Jane situation sounds similar where this is Tom's legal battle, his crimes, and Erica is, you know, associated with it.

Right.

So Erica and Teresa are on a similar page but Erica's probably not going to jail but this is the first time where a housewife herself has been like the mastermind of this like Ponzi scheme or whatever it was yeah I just I don't know how

it makes no sense to me if they ever

hire her for a job Again, well, I do think that she will definitely be the center of season two because I don't know how you have this footage and you just ethically don't use it.

Like it's too too big.

That's not what I'm saying.

That's not what I'm saying.

Like right now she has a contract.

Like she's part of the season.

And yes, this is so the biggest deal ever.

But I think after this, like I just, it would make no sense to me and it's inconsistent if like other shows and cast members are being fired for other offenses and then a person who like defrauded innocent people is really fired for her actions.

Yeah, no, like this is obviously like salacious and like it's crazy.

But when you read about what she actually did, like it's super sad, especially because literally this morning I was reading Post and Toast After Dark, and some girl shared that, like, something really similar happened to her mom.

Like, she got a phone call, whatever, and they drained her entire savings.

Yeah.

So, it's like, it's something really real that happens to a lot of people.

It is something that I think a lot of people know about.

You like warn of like grandparents, like, if you get a call, like, do not give them your information.

But, like, people are just

trusting and naive.

And if you get a call saying, like, your car insurance is running out, like, you need to make a payment.

Like,

why wouldn't you believe that?

Yeah, exactly.

If you're an older person who doesn't understand this stuff.

So, most people

are aware of these sorts of scams.

And it's like, it's been Jen Shaw.

It's the craziest thing.

And not only does she defraud people, she then sells the lists of the gullible people.

The successful marks, and she gets a percentage of the next scam's success.

That's fucking terrible.

Honestly, I will never understand people who are enrapped in criminal schemes and who decide to go on reality television.

Yes, well then it's like she must have been doing this for a really long time.

So you get so comfortable, you almost probably forget you're doing anything illegal.

This is just what I do for work.

Yeah, but also it's like hiding in plain sight.

You know, yeah, no, that never works.

No, it's really

it's so crazy.

Like, first of all, that it happened while they were filming, and second of all, like, the level at which her

crimes were like, because for me, like, what, and I can keep comparing it to Teresa, because what Teresa did is like what a lot of like rich people do.

They like, I pay taxes and I go to jail.

Like, it's a common white-collar crime, right?

Yeah.

So, what I like, I just was not expecting like Jen Shaw to be like a corrupt person who like defrauds innocent people out of their life savings.

Like that's just not what I saw for her.

So that like she can have a full

outfit chalet and like put on this front.

But now hindsight is 2020 and like we said it even when it was happening like nothing about her finances made sense at all.

I know but like she's not the first housewife whose finances didn't make it.

Have you met Kim Zolsiak?

That makes more sense.

No, it makes no sense.

No, it makes more sense.

But then even remember at the reunion where she talked about how she like owns all these successful telemarketing companies.

I guess she didn't lie.

No, not at all.

But we just didn't read between the lines because we didn't know there was anything to say.

But like I will always be that

believing and or naive that like when you tell me you run a marketing company I'm not just gonna assume that you're defrauding people.

No, but I just do think it's funny how like for the most part the stands of Real House Size of Salt Lake City were so invested in Mary's finances this season.

Like how does she own churches and restaurants and all these homes and it doesn't make sense.

And Andy kind of grilled her at the reunion and Genshin just kind kind of like skated by like yeah I own a marketing company yeah very true everyone was waiting like I think if they're yesterday if we had had a quiz who's fight who's about to get like Mary you know arrested for

a criminal enterprise

just in terms of how confusing their findings and in terms of how Bravo portrayed it to us yeah I would say Mary also um

I didn't watch Watch What Happens Live last night, but they're pre-recorded.

So like I doubt Andy said anything.

So I'm just really curious if like tonight we'll hear anything.

I mean, this is really the biggest real Housewives news.

Since Teresa.

I guess since Teresa.

It doesn't feel as big because Salt Lake City is such a new franchise, and like I don't think they had.

But this could really be the thing that puts Salt Lake City on the map.

I just really hope

that this behavior is not rewarded in any way because it's beyond anything we've ever seen.

It's reprehensible, is the word.

Beyond.

They're morally

corrupt, Jensha.

I just like

I'm shook.

No, it's so crazy.

We will keep you abreast, of course, on all things, Jensha, in the coming weeks.

And just if somebody calls you asking to refill your car insurance, why don't you just call your car insurance company directly?

Well, I get those calls all the time.

And for me, like, I always hang up because I'm like, I don't even have a license.

So I know this is

you think now with Jen Shaw's enterprise like going under that maybe I'll get those calls less like maybe I think Jen on the other line I think Jen Shaw is one of thousands of people doing this I agree but I get so so many calls.

Like maybe I'll get less.

Maybe you'll get less for sure, but it's not the end.

She wasn't like the end-all be-all.

But maybe like she, maybe she'll be like Rick Singer and sing like a bird.

Like a bird and give up some of the other companies that she's worked with.

Wow.

And then if I could see a direct result like in my inbox being less flooded, that would be exciting.

I'll never forget like when me and Ben were like 21,

he called me in the middle of the day and he is freaking out.

He's like having a heart attack.

The IRS called him.

And when he told me, I actually knew for a fact the IRS does not call.

They mail you.

And he had been like, before he even called me all day, like spinning about this like bill, he owed like $30,000 to the government.

He didn't know how.

Freaking out, he finally called me.

And I'm like,

Ben, like, the IRS doesn't call.

They just, they, they mail.

That's it.

And he like literally, like, I've never seen someone go from so.

worried to so relieved in the course of 10 seconds.

Like it was crazy.

And that's literally like what Jen Shaw does, like instills the fear of God in people.

So, they just hand over their money.

Yeah.

No, the IRS doesn't call.

And I think everyone needs to know that.

The IRS does not call.

They will always mail you certified mail.

Trust me.

I've gotten a couple letters from the IRS to make your panties drop and it'll send a shiver down your spine, but they don't call.

Yeah.

So

that's why I just don't pick up the phone ever.

Ever.

Unless you're FaceTiming me and you remember my family.

Yeah.

Don't pick up the phone.

It's the only way to get through.

Yeah, because for the most part, like really important information about your car or IRS, it comes in the mail.

It does not come in the form of a phone call.

Yeah, I just like, I don't need to hear from people on the phone.

No, I don't either.

Well, we'll keep you abreast of the situation.

It's a crazy one.

Yeah, no, we will definitely keep you abreast.

It's so important to be kept abreast, especially on situations as severe as this.

100%.

Next up, Ariana Grande is joining the voice as a coast.

Coast.

The voice.

I love the voice coasts.

She's joining the voice as a coy.

Ariana Grande is joining the voice as a coach, replacing Nick Jonas.

This is like really crazy.

Let me tell you why I think it's so crazy.

Okay.

One, like why Nick Jonas leaving.

I'm sure he just has a project.

They come in and out.

Always.

You think he has a project?

Spend.

Right.

This is not, that's not why it's so crazy.

To me, I feel like this is a huge step down for Ariana Grande.

Like, I'm actually shocked that they must be paying her like $40 million, like, dead serious, because this is so good for the voice and so, like, not good for Ariana Grande.

I'm just shocked.

It's just so, like, in my opinion, don't come for me, beneath her.

Okay, I can understand how you would see that, but let me argue it through a different lens.

Shall I?

First of all, I agree, they're paying her so much money.

She's going to bring in a new generation of fans, but also being a judge on a talent show, especially I would say the voice is top two of the talent shows in our country.

There's only two, yeah.

Well, actually, there's America's Got Talent.

Yeah, yeah.

There's so many.

So I would say top two in our country

makes you, once you are a judge on one of those shows, it turns you into icon legend status.

You are like a forever sort of person like that.

Cemented in.

I think that while, yes, it's kind of like for retirees on their way down while she is very much ascending, I think it does cement her status as an icon, which we already know that she is.

Yeah, I don't think she needed this job to cement that.

Like, I just need to put my AirPods in and listen to Rain on Me to know that she's an icon.

No, I hear what you're saying.

You know that.

But, like, just in the panic

of music, like when you are a judge on the voice, you're with John Legend, Kelly Clarkson, Blake Shelton, alicia keys like the the group it's a prestigious one see like i don't know you're saying she probably made 40 million dollars and i i agree with you she does not stop working she does album tour album tour and i think like she does really well but like this will probably be the easiest paycheck of her life 100 like if i was a celebrity i well i kind of am a celebrity but

if i was like a famous singer like i would be gunning for a red chair like first of all i feel like it's fun to hang out with the other coaches it's easy work and it's so much money like I always think about, remember those years where X Factor was on, and like they had Demi Lovato and Britney Spears, they had like a nice rotation of people.

I remember hearing like Demi Lovato got paid $25 million to do that.

So, like, it's the easiest job, and then you just get to tell people they're good singers or bad singers.

Like, that's literally what I do for free on a daily basis.

And I also think that if you are a singer who's super talented and also very musically inclined, like, it's a great way to sort of showcase another side of yourself where it's like, oh, I'm also really smart and like into music theory.

And so, I think it, assuming that you have those chops, it's a great place to showcase it.

Yeah, I also just think in the pandemic, like people are, you know, looking for new ways to make money.

And so I still think this is weird,

but I'm happy for the voice because this was obviously like a huge thing for them.

And I'm happy that Ariana Grande is making easy money.

I just, I don't think that these shows are necessarily for retirees because I wouldn't consider pretty much any of the voice or American Idol judges to be retirees, like maybe Katy Perry.

Like she's pretty much retired for music.

But I just think it's that.

She just put out an album.

She did?

Like, yeah, over the summer.

Oh, I guess Daisy's was pretty good.

Okay, yeah.

So not, it's not for retirees, but it's just for people who are kind of set in their careers.

Yes, and also not in any sort of negative way, but people who have reached their peak.

Not saying they're coming down, but they're either at, they're, they have ascended.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They have ascended.

They're not ascending.

Right.

Were you ascended or were you ascending?

But see, with Ariana Grande, she just like keeps breaking new barriers, glass ceiling, what?

Like, so it's just interesting.

It's kind of like a new thing.

It's like ushering in a new generation of, first of all, fans for the voice, but also now potential judges for all these shows because she just is not the stereotypical person I would think of.

I also think that she has a really funny personality, and I'm sure she's looking forward to showcasing that.

And I think if she, you know, some celebrities are like boring as fuck, and maybe like going on a show like this would sort of expose them as like being sort of like nothing of the sort.

Like they have a good voice, but like what else?

So who is it now?

It's it's Blake Shelton, John Legend, Kelly Clarkson, Ari.

That's pretty good.

It's actually crazy that from the original Ford, Blake Shelton is like pretty much the only one still there.

No, he is the only one still there.

And he's actually also like the one coach who has like the most wins under his belt.

Yeah.

Okay, so say you were on the voice and all four chairs turned for you out of this panel.

Wow.

Whose team are you on?

I'm either going to choose Kelly or Ariana and I'll.

That's so hard.

Because I'm just trying to think of like who could actually like mentor me.

I don't know how it works, like if they actually mentor the people, but if I could have like one of these singers mentor me, I mean,

I want to say Kelly because I like love her, but I would probably say Ariana because like her vocal range, like I feel like she can actually teach me something.

And also Kelly.

Also, like the odds of you winning, probably small, but like I feel like

you and Ari could become like good friends.

Yeah, no, and actually, that does happen a lot.

Like, does it?

Yes, Miley Cyrus became really good friends with someone, one of her contestants, who ended up passing away.

Oh, and Ray Lynn is really good friends with Blake Shelton.

That's true.

And also, Miley became friends with, I forget her name, but then she came on the breath.

Remember?

Who?

I can't remember.

Darby Ann.

Hold on.

I have no recollection.

Hold on.

No disrespect up with Darby.

I just have a bad memory.

No, she.

Oh, I think you know, you know what?

Margo hosted with me that day.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Hold on.

Let me just get her name because she was so cute.

And Darby Walker.

Yeah.

Cute.

Darby Ann Walker.

Darby Ann Walker.

Cute.

So yeah, like they actually do become friends.

So yeah, I think if I could take like a friendship with any of them, I don't know.

Would it be bad to be friends with Blake Shelton?

Yeah.

But probably Ari, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think there's all great choices, you know.

Agreed.

Well, it's the one you got.

So.

Oh, good.

I got Ariana?

Good, because that's the one you got.

Anyways, next stories, a little Broadway news, two musicals that I think might pique your interest coming to Broadway.

Diana the Musical.

Oh, God, we are beating this horse.

Set's Broadway opening date after Netflix debut.

Diana the musical about the late Princess of Wales will resume performances at the Long Aether Theater on December 1st with an opening night of December 16th.

That's one year and eight months after the production's originally planned opening of March 31st never happened due to coronavirus.

I mean, I guess now that I think about it, even though I do feel like the story of Diana has been beaten to a pulp and like if we get one more documentary, like I don't know what I'm going to do.

When it comes to the theater and Diana, they both have huge gay audiences.

So I actually think like this is good for the gays.

Yeah, no, I'm sure it's going to be a great musical.

it's also weird that it's happening like in london not broadway like a lot of shows start out on london and then like go to broadway yeah but um it's just like you know it's hitting a little close to home no but it's on broadway it is on broadway in america yeah i thought you said london did i say london no i don't think so okay because that makes more sense because americans are like infatuated with diana yeah so

i mean

That'll just be exciting that like Broadway's happening again.

That is true.

And I don't like, I don't go to Broadway shows, so I'm not even going to say, like, maybe I'll see it.

Oh, I go to a few Broadway shows, like, when I feel it's necessary, and then every couple of years, I have to just resee Wicked.

I saw it most recently with Jessica Vosk.

She was stellar.

I definitely won't be seeing this, but I wish all the actors the best of luck.

Break a leg.

Break a leg.

And then also a little more Broadway news: Game of Thrones prequel play is in the works for Broadway.

Huh.

Is there also a prequel show in the works for HBO, right?

Yes, there are several, there are several spin-off shows in the works at HBO.

But the play.

Also, George R.R.

Martin, like literally yesterday, just signed a bigger deal with HBO to produce like eight more shows.

Love to see it.

The play will be a prequel story reportedly centered around the great tourney at Harron Hall, which took place 16 years before the events of Game of Thrones.

Harron Hall is mad spooky.

Yeah.

What's Harron Hall?

I think Harron Hall was where Aria went when she was on her way back to the north, and it was like

the port town, like the boat town?

No, it was like, it was almost like a prison there.

And that was where she served Tywin.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Was that at Caserly Rock?

No, no, that was.

We never went to Casterly Rock.

The Lannisters never went back.

Really?

Isn't that where, though, like, spoiler alert, Peter Dinklich killed his dad at Castle Rock?

No, Castle Black.

That was in regular...

King's Landing?

King's Landing, yeah.

Harron Hall.

I really miss our Game of Thrones recaps.

I miss them so much.

Figure in the Bum.

Harron Hall was the one that was like half burned down from like the dragons.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and it was kind of like a ghost house.

It was super, super spooky.

But I guess 16 years ago, it wasn't burned down.

That's why it's probably like a bustling metropolis.

No, it probably was burned down because the dragons were from so long ago.

So I guess we'll have to see.

But they had attorney and like now they're going to be.

Attorney.

Yeah.

I can't say tourny.

No, I know.

They had a tourney.

And now they'll be on Broadway.

I really.

Like, I miss our Game of Thrones recaps so desperately.

Maybe we should start another podcast where we watch Game of Thrones from the beginning and recap it.

It sounds like a lot of work.

I know, but I miss Game of Thrones.

Me too.

I'm going to rewatch it at some point.

Yeah.

How about that lady?

So good.

So good.

Except that re-watching it will make you hate Sansa.

Those first few seasons, like with the Joffrey Sansa of it all, like could not stand Sophie Turner's character.

She did end up okay, but like she just got a free pass when she was literally the woat of fucking Game of Thrones.

No, but she

endured a lot.

She endured a lot.

It literally took five years to get over like the betrayal of Sansa.

Yeah.

Like what she did.

The familial betrayal.

Yeah.

So upsetting.

So upsetting.

Okay, well, that's the Broadway news, and I look forward to Broadway coming back, and we'll have a ton of the musical.

Are you ready for our next story?

Sure.

Chrissy Teigen Grace is the cover of People's Most Beautiful Issue.

Also, the beautiful issue is here, and Chrissy Teigen's on the cover with her kids.

She said, I've learned how strong I am.

I mean, that's Chrissy.

that's beautiful yeah i'm like getting a little chrissy fatigued like recently i go in and out because i really feel like sometimes when i feel like chrissy tea is teegan has been being annoying it's just like the media making her annoying and it's like she didn't actually do anything but now i just feel like i'm being inundated with a lot of chrissy news and it's like always so mundane it's literally chrissy's mindless news and i'm just like kind of over it but the beautiful issue is like you know sexiest issue it's a big deal and it's

she's stunning she's stunning beautiful stunning and smart yeah and And she has her kids on the cover.

It's cute.

It's cute.

Yeah, we should start a magazine and we should have the beautiful, stunning, and smart issue.

Yes, every week.

Us.

Yeah.

Oh, look.

No, one week it's me.

And it's like, oh, I wonder who it'll be next week.

Oh, it's Jackie.

Wonder who to be next week.

Yeah.

Really?

So Chrissy's beautiful, and that's what you need to know.

And people think so, too.

Yeah.

I have a lot of people.

This is like a nothing burger.

No, I know, but it's like

people care about these things.

Yeah, I think it's a lot of people.

They care more about like sexiest man than life.

And that's like, and that's on them.

And that's on misogyny.

And that's on misogyny.

Like, we talk about sexiest man alive, we need to talk about most beautiful.

Yeah, but like, I think they're, like, it's so clear that People Magazine is trying to be like politically correct because the men's issue is sexiest man alive.

The beautiful issue.

For women, you know?

Yeah, no, but I actually think like, I don't know if that's politically correct.

Like, no, it's like we should be treated equal, like sexiest woman alive.

But it's like objectified.

It's too, it's like a minefield of like, of misogyny.

Like, well, we're too sexy, but we're not saying they're sexy enough.

oh but they're not the same

yeah like it's very confusing so i guess this is what they landed on yeah um i have been thinking about chrissy and chris's clean clean cleans company okay why i just like i saw an ad for it yesterday and i'm just like wondering how is it out going yeah and i saw an ad for it like on a bus

oh marketing dollars yeah not a bus a bus station bus stop yeah bus station you know like they make them nice now with the whole it's about tv it's about stop it's about about stop.

Yeah.

Bus station is like, you know, you're getting out of your small town.

Port Authority.

Yeah.

Right.

Yes.

Okay.

Fine.

But I'm sure they do have ads for it at Port Authority, too.

100%.

100%.

Nope.

So they're really going big with, like, it's not just like we send PR packages to Carissa's kids.

It's like.

Right, no, they're going balls to the wall.

MTA.

Yeah, no, they're like getting in good housekeeping and shit, you know?

Yeah, no, and I think that, like, it's a good idea for a company, and I hope that it's prosperous.

Yeah, me too.

More money for the Kardashians, less for me.

Are you ready for our fifth fifth and final story?

Already?

Yeah.

It's a little travel news.

Ooh, a little travel news?

Goodbye, MG middle seats.

Delta is selling the whole plane starting on May 1st.

I was really hoping this was going to be a lasting change.

I know.

I do feel like excited, though, that that is a signal that we're transitioning out of the pandemic.

I know things are different.

You can feel it in New York.

There's traffic.

Restaurants are open.

Clubs are open this weekend.

Even though not one club is actually opening, we just learned.

You tried to make a plan to go to a club this weekend, but none of the clubs are opening because who can actually profit at the same time?

They can't operate.

Yeah.

Like, what are you doing?

But, whatever.

So, like, it definitely feels like we're out of this.

We're almost there.

Um, and so this is just like another like flag.

Like, we're still almost out.

But, of course, I do wish that they were never selling middle seats again, of course, but they have the seats and they're going to sell them.

And if we've learned anything over the last year, it's like airline greed is so real.

I just have to say, and they had to shelf their greed for a whole last year, so you know, they're going to come back

bigger and greedier than ever.

Yeah, that's what actually tbg said i did a patreon episode with him like a few weeks ago and i was telling him how like it's such a delight to travel now without all these restrictions without change fees um and he was like yeah

and i'm like do you think that like the change fee will come back he said the change fee is not going to come back because the airline said like they're gone forever but they're going to come back in like different fees like dressed in new clothing like you know like it's like not a change fee it's like a flange fee you know what i mean it's like that meme of like one person wearing a new wigs like trying to make new accounts.

It's the change fee coming for you.

Yeah, literally.

So like that's why it's been such a delight for people to travel in like the last month or two because it's like so unique and like this will never happen again.

I do have to say though, I've traveled like not if not a lot of times.

I've maybe been on a plane like

like two, three times in the last year.

And I flew Delta and United and both times I saw them all having middle seats like completely sold.

So I just wanted to put that out there.

Oh, okay.

I've actually been on a lot of planes this year.

Low-key, look at me.

Hey, look at me.

Look at me.

And Delta, I've always seen, does not sell that middle seat, but then other airlines, American sells the whole ass plane.

And yes, it has been, it's been nicer to travel, but it's also been like fraught with other anxiety.

Yeah, of course.

So I don't know which one I would prefer.

But you remember last year when like all this stuff was happening with the airlines and we thought there was going to be like such a major change like in the way we sit?

Remember how like there were all those diagrams being sent around of like airlines no longer doing three rows of two rows of three, but they were going to have two people sitting beside each other.

Like what happened to that?

Where was the ingenuity?

I agree.

They lost their ingenuity.

I understand things need to change back from like how they are now, but that doesn't mean they have to go back to how they were.

How bad they were.

How bad they were.

Like we're surprised there was a global epidemic.

that killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Have you ever seen the way we travel?

Like, of course, we're literally sitting on top of each other for 11 hours.

Like, of course, this happened.

Maybe we should now learn and like, I don't know, give people like a little bit more space to sleep on an 11 hour flight.

Maybe.

Maybe.

So I, this, these, this story was actually reminding me of a year ago when like every story, like we would have every day where it's like something closed and it's like the NBA is and now Disneyland's closed.

And so now it's like these sorts of stories about like things changing back to open.

It's like extremely slow, but it's better than nothing.

I also was recently thinking about that guy from the NBA, like who touched all the microphones like as a joke.

Remember that?

And that's why they shut down the NBA.

Is that why they shut down the NBA?

Yes, because he tested positive and he touched all the microphones as a joke on his way out of a press conference and he literally tested positive that night but i that was just like an aside they were they were already not playing games because of the coronavirus no no i'm literally 100 sure that i think his name is rudy like that's why they shut it down i don't that's all the reporters and all the teams two teams like they had to shut it down okay that's not how you might be right but that's just not how i remember it i just remember it was like

i think we're jilling

rudy did that he did that shit but the nba shut down regardless of Rudy because, like, there's a pandemic.

No, I think that was the cat.

They were the catalyst.

Rudy was a catalyst to the whole thing.

You know what?

I'm sure someone's going to

multiple people.

Okay, so it's Wednesday.

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Dear Toasters is our advice segment.

If you ever want to write in, we can do it completely anonymously.

You can write in about anything in your life that you're going through.

And the email is deartoasters at gmail.com.

Hello, Jackie and Claudia.

Hi.

I've officially been a toaster for one year now, and I'm so thankful for the joy that toast has brought into my life.

Welcome.

My boyfriend and I have been together for about four years.

We are very serious and close with each other's families and have always been.

Before I even knew who he was, he was in a very toxic on and off long-term relationship with a different girl.

A little backstory, when he and I first started dating, she was still very crazy and tried to create problems with us.

Eventually, she left us alone and one day even followed me on Instagram.

I thought it was weird, but tried to see it as an olive branch for the trouble she had caused.

So I followed her back and I've been following her ever since.

Since following her, I noticed my boyfriend's mom, Ona, also follows her.

Not a huge deal.

I get that they dated for a while before I came into the picture.

this girl also has a new boyfriend now and i noticed that my boyfriend's mom kind of literally likes all the photos of her photos except the one where she's with her boyfriend so are you following yeah yeah kind of strange right recently his ex has also started a business venture come to find out my boyfriend's mom follows the page on instagram and likes the facebook page the business is literally a few months old so she obviously went out of her way to do this the issue is i'm not very good at internalizing my feelings this bothers me so much because where is what are his mom's intentions it makes me feel as though she likes her so much and wishes her son was still with her and that's why she's still so involved in her life this is only stuff i can see so like is she close with her in other ways my question is do i just have to live with this and try not to overthink do i mention it to my boyfriend he doesn't follow her and hardly uses social media any anyways this seriously eats away at me every time i see my boyfriend's mom and 232 others like this photo please help sincerely a jealous toaster this is weird because like it's nothing but it's also something yeah and i want to be like you should just tell your boyfriend like that you know this bothers you and like do you think that it means something but then you also like look sort of crazy like stalking his ex-girlfriend's facebook business page like what no no no no not even that the likes of it but i'm not saying you're crazy but it could look no you're onto something for sure a hundred percent

the mom obviously like lives for the ex-girlfriend i have a question for Toaster.

Okay.

Does the mom like all of your photos?

Do you have a business or something that you're passionate about that the mom likes and follows on Facebook?

Like maybe it's just, you know, like moms are really active.

You're right about that.

Super active, just like wanting to support some people.

Like, I mean,

I imagine just like follow people that they know, and then, like, every single photo on their feed,

like that come through.

So, like, it could be benign, but it could be not.

No, you're right.

We have to take into the fact that this is someone's mom.

It changes everyone.

And, like, adult behaviors on social media are just different from ours.

They're not to be trusted.

Like, and it's not malicious.

Like, it's literally just like active, active, post, post, post.

Like, I know.

I know, I know you.

I know that face.

Like, yeah, so it doesn't mean as much and it doesn't like carry the weight that it carries for us.

So I would just, my question to you is, does she like all of your photos like so passionately and vigorously?

What are her social media patterns?

What other businesses does she like on Facebook?

Is it all of her acquaintances, people she's ever met, their endeavors?

Like is she just a supportive person?

Mom?

Like

look at other is it just is she treat giving this girl special treatment or is this how she treats every Joe Schmoe?

Is this a pattern?

It's a good question and one worth pursuing.

So best of luck to you.

Once you have the answer to that you will know whether or not it's benign or serious and if it's serious bring it talk to your boyfriend you know you guys even though you might look a little crazy like you transparency is key i agree but just try not to like you know be so crazy yeah yeah like try and say it in a way that's like not crazy hi claudia and jackie hi youtern

my mom

My mom and I are obsessed with the podcast and we listen every day.

I need some serious advice.

My best friend and I have been best friends for over a little, a little over seven years.

Over the past few months, her brother, who's six years older than me, we have developed a romantic relationship.

I have a very close relationship with her family, and he and I are both nervous that they will not be supportive of our relationship, so we've had to keep it a secret and have both been sneaking around.

It's safe to say I'm in love with him and he is everything of the sort.

Additionally, his sister, my best friend, has become unhealthily obsessed with me recently and constantly needs my attention and validation.

Some days I've even gotten 10 calls from her and I get constant text messages.

It has gotten to the point that if I don't answer, she will ask if I hate her or question my loyalty to our friendship.

She gets upset when I hang out with our other friends without her and thinks our friendship means less because of my other relationships.

I love her to death and would never think about ending my friendship with her.

I just don't know how to approach the situation.

Please help me with these two problems.

One, telling my best friend and her family about my relationship with her brother.

And two, how do I approach telling her I need to have some personal space and that our friendship is stable and I can maintain a relationship with her while having relationships with others?

Hope to hear from you.

Well, by the way, it's very clear that like since becoming in a relationship, like you maybe have pulled back from the relationship with the friend and that's why she's like having anxiety.

so maybe if she knew like that you've just been like holding the secret and it's been like killing you one you could kill two birds with one stove yeah I do think that they're linked these two problems interesting I hadn't thought of it like that but I do think that you're right I think if you come forward she'll understand why maybe you've been more absent and I also feel like it will solve two issues one she'll have a better understanding that you still want to be her friend forever nothing has changed but also like it might have her back off a little bit if like you're now dating her brother like in a in a positive way i think you'll become sisters i think that you should come, right?

Exactly.

I think you should come forward with it, but obviously, of course, like now you have to marry the brother.

Otherwise, you've just ruined everything.

Oh, that's the thing.

Like, talk to the brother first.

Like, before you blow this up, be like, we're getting married, right?

Right, like, you know.

Like, no, just make sure you're both like actually serious because this is like.

It's in the end, it's great, but it will be like awkward for a little while.

So just make sure that like you're both on the same page in terms of this relationship.

Like, we are OTP, correct?

If everything works out, like, this is amazing.

Your best friend became your sister.

You guys just got even closer than she even wanted.

Like you have a man and he's everything of the sort.

Like we'd love to see it.

If this is just a fling, like you've lost your boyfriend, you lost your best friend, you lost your life.

If this is a fling, like get the like fling yourself out of it.

Like it's so not worth it.

Oh, also.

Okay, but

also the longer you keep a secret, like the more hurtful.

And then they're like, it's not about the secrets that you didn't tell you.

It's not about the secret.

No, it's about the secret.

Yeah, right, of course.

Of course, it's always about the secret.

Question for you.

What?

What if it's not a fling, but like they they don't wind up getting married?

Like they're together for like four years and then they break up.

Terrible.

Terrible.

Yeah, you should have known.

Yeah, but like that's not a reason not to pursue a relationship.

I hate when people do that.

Like, oh, your best friend is my sister.

Like, what?

Just fucking like live life.

Yeah, but definitely like it requires a little more caution because there's more at stake.

Yeah.

But you still need to follow your heart.

Just be communicative.

Like make sure to talk to the boyfriend first.

Be like, before we come clean, like I'm serious about this.

Are you?

Because I'm not going to blow up my relationship with your sister and your whole family just so you could change your mind in a month.

No, and it's like we're boyfriend and girlfriend like we're exclusive like make sure like all of

those the key points

Like we're moving in the right direction.

Maybe like have some hard conversations that you maybe would have had later, but just to like make sure you guys, you know

There's so much going on here, but I can't stress enough how important this particular conversation is because like it's the key to the whole thing.

Yeah.

It's the foundation in which like your plan is built on.

So talk to the boyfriend first.

Yeah, just like make sure you guys are like aligned on how you want to raise kids, like blah, blah, blah.

Oh, nothing with parenting styles.

So nothing comes up down the road that would like ruin everything.

Yeah, yeah.

it's like in this book I read.

Okay, dear Jackson Claude, this is our final one.

This is gonna sound crazy, but I think something is up with my boyfriend and his sister-in-law.

Oh my, this is also like the book I just read.

Okay, a little backstory.

God, now you sound like me.

I say, it's just like in this book I just read.

I know, Claudia, yeah.

Okay, a little backstory.

The sister-in-law is married to my boyfriend's older brother.

She's the same age as my boyfriend, and they went through elementary, middle, and high school together.

My sister-in-law is married to my boyfriend's older brother.

So it's two brothers.

She's the girlfriend of the younger, and the older brother has a sister, has a

wife.

They've been, so

the sister-in-law and her boyfriend, husband, no, no, and the boyfriend

are the same age, and they went to elementary, middle, and high school together.

I met her.

Before I met her, my boyfriend would talk so much shit about her, how she's messy, leaves garbage all over her car, doesn't work, et cetera.

That's just like so mean.

The worst thing is.

She doesn't work.

Leaves garbage all over her car.

Like, those are some of the worst things you can think of.

That you can think think about someone here.

And that's also, like, just don't leave garbage all over your car because, like, that's just never how you want to meet this crap.

That's not how you want to be remembered.

Okay.

So, I go out of town to meet his family.

Things seem normal until we meet the family at the brother and sister-in-law's house.

Are you okay?

Okay, I go out of town until I get to the farm.

It's so confusing.

And it's also hard for me to move on, like, from one cranjree to another.

Okay, I go to the moment.

I go out of town to meet his family.

Things seem normal until we meet the family at the brother and sister-in-law's house.

The brother is in and out of the picture because his job requires him to leave town a lot.

After a few beers, I'm sitting talking to the family.

I notice my boyfriend just getting like weird, uncomfortable almost.

Side note: we have been together since August, but moved in together within four months.

Quarantine makes people crazy.

Then we leave, and we're all hugging everyone goodbye, and it was so fucking awkward between them.

I felt like there was this weird vibe, you know, when you just feel it.

The sister-in-law is a total opposite of me.

Imagine I am Megan Fox.

She is the mousy Amanda Seafreed character in Jennifer's body.

I could tell she's thinking, Who the fuck are you this whole time while talking to me?

A few weeks later, the sister-in-law is following me on every single social media platform.

Weird.

As

weird as we didn't hit it off.

Then my boyfriend posted me in his story.

She replied, fire emoji.

And I tried to be funny and scroll up in his DMs because the bubble looked big.

He didn't let me and close out of his app hella quick.

Now he's now he's not talking that much shit about her and I just can't shake the feeling that something is up.

Help.

I fully understand that I should just be upfront and ask him.

I'm an adult and I know.

And I know this, but is there any other option?

Signed, my boyfriend may be in love with his sister-in-law.

So I'm inclined to like tell you that you're crazy, but there is something about a woman's intuition.

Sometimes when you get a gut, you just need to follow it.

I agree, but it also doesn't sound like your boyfriend's going to be super forthcoming because he didn't let you read the messages.

Unless he's working on the proposal with your sister-in-law.

But they've only been together since August.

But they move quickly.

Quarantine makes crazy things happen.

So there's a chance that he wants to hide something, you know, like it's a surprise for you in the DMs.

I don't think they're like sexting in the DMs.

You need to get your monocle out and do a little spy work.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, the little eye.

And do a little spy work.

I think keep your concerns to yourself until you have something to bring to him.

Otherwise, you look crazy and he'll cover his trail better.

You just sound like a conspiracy theorist.

You're right.

You need proof.

And then he starts to like, and then he's like, oh, she's clugged.

Like, let me cover up my tracks.

So do better.

So

I would say keep a close, close eye.

Nothing to see here yet, but

get to work on the detective front.

Yeah.

That's probably the best advice I can't do any better.

Like until you have proof, like keep it to yourself, keep your cards close to your chest, and just snoop.

Because right now he doesn't know that you're onto him.

So that's like the best type of way to attack, you know?

Yep.

Trust your gut.

But get some concrete proof as well.

Trust the proof.

Yeah.

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I think that's it.

And I think that's all she wrote.

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