S4 Ep29: Lemony Swiftie with Jen Davis: Thursday, February 11th, 2021

Good morning millennials.

Welcome back to the morning toast.

Happy Thursday.

So close to Friday.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So exciting that it's Thursday.

So blessed to be here on a Thursday.

Let's take a minute to appreciate the fact that it's not Monday.

It's not Tuesday.

You thought maybe it was...

No, it's not Wednesday.

Oh, no.

It's Thursday.

And that's a great place to be in the week.

It's a great place to be.

It's not too far.

You're not like Sunday.

Like, you're so far gone.

Like, there's so much hope on the horizon.

So, everyone, just close your eyes.

Appreciate this moment.

Like, we have so much excitement ahead of us.

Soak it in.

This is now a meditation podcast.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, I don't know if that's relaxing.

Yes.

It's ASMR.

I'm obsessed with ASMR.

Are you?

Is that good ASMR?

How do you, you have to hear it in order to know if it's good, yeah?

Yeah, like I should be wearing headphones, but you guys tell me.

Like, this is what my favorite girl, Josie, does.

She does, like,

I can't even listen to you do that.

I can't imagine that that is peaceful.

Please.

And then she like pretends you're at the spa.

Welcome.

My name is Josie.

I use she, her pronouns.

What's your name?

And then you have like a conversation with her.

Got it.

Okay.

I don't think ASMR is for me.

Oh my God.

It's everything of the sort.

Speaking of everything of the sort, welcome to the morning toast.

Welcome today.

We have a great show for you today.

It's our last show in studio for the week.

We'll be podcast only tomorrow.

And because it was our last visual show, we decided to come in with Minu Merch ones.

Got Minu Merch?

What were you going to say?

My story from last week where I was, where I had a typo in my cash.

Minu merch.

You know, it was like, I'm using this phone case until I get Minu Merch one.

And I felt like Miss Pat Moore from Downtown Abbey.

Jackie and I are modeling.

Got our new merch ones.

Spring 2020.

This is for our February 17th launch.

That's only.

This is spring 2020.

You know what I mean?

Like spring, summer charade.

This is winter 2021 because it's launching next week.

It's February.

Very much winter.

These are very thick, cozy, delicious

sweaters.

I'm wearing the Haya Dern style.

I'm going to pop up to the side because this is the most sickening design

and comes with matching phone case.

Yes, and it comes in a long sleeve version and it comes with a beanie too.

Beanie.

It is so fucking sickening.

I'm so, so excited about that design.

No, this is like the rodeo design of our dream.

Of our dreams.

You can catch me at Stagecoach in this beanie and sweatshirt combo.

100%.

And for how many of you are wearing Redhead's merch, we have some really exciting merch dropping.

This is the maroon sweatshirt.

Sickening.

I mean, I love it because it like looks so professional and collegiate and smart.

And it's always a good time to become a redhead, but I just feel like wearing this merch is the actual best time to become one.

It's similar to like, you know, when people wear their Harvard sweatshirts, 100%.

It's like, I'm a part of a book club.

Yeah, this says, I have a book club.

We have merch.

We have interests.

We're interesting.

Yeah.

I think it's a good look for you, for the redheads out there.

I totally agree.

Even like non-redheads, we won't care if you wear the merch and look smart and don't care to participate in our book club.

But also, this sweatshirt is coming in a cream color, which is literally the sweatshirt I've been dreaming of since we launched the podcast.

I was like, I need a cream logo sweatshirt.

I have it.

It's stunning.

I will be wearing it all weekend.

And then we're also launching mugs, phone cases, notebooks.

So there's so much Redhead merch.

It's a great time to become a redhead.

Like all these, like, and also we're, it's our one-year anniversary this week of doing redheads.

So for those of us who have been on the ride since the beginning, like this is just a little treat for us.

It's a little full-circle moment for the passion projects.

The passions are just overflowing because now I'm obviously passionate about Redheads, but I'm so passionate about our merch now.

Yeah, I mean, I've had this phone case for like two weeks, and it has been killing me not to take mirror pictures showing it off.

I know.

And I just got my Redheads phone case, and I've also been dreaming of this phone case because, once again, it's just like sleek and cool and smart and interesting.

So, mark your calendars, February 17th.

February 17th, all available at chopmorningtoast.com.

Always.

Not to be confused.

Like, not to be confused with Hermes.com.

It's Shop Morning Toast.

It's very similar.

I know it's confusing because the designs are so kind of similar.

So, so similar.

Anyways, it's just like so exciting.

Sickening merch, sickening the warehouse down.

I'm excited for the warehouse to get the merch.

out so that it won't be so sick anymore.

Yeah, maybe we got to get the warehouse the vaccine.

We might have to.

We actually have like a sickening show for you guys today.

I'm really excited for everyone to hear our interview with Jen Davis from the Real Houseways of Dallas.

We actually spoke about her last week on the show when recapping The Real House Wise of Dallas about how it feels odd her presence on the show because she's invited to everything.

It's almost like she's a castmate, but it felt like something had happened.

And when we mentioned that on the show and some of the rumors that were being spread on blogs and Reddit, she reached out to us and she said she's a toaster.

She loves the podcast and she'd love to just come on and say her piece, which I thought was so cool.

And she did just that.

We interviewed her yesterday.

If you're watching on YouTube, it'll be at the end of the podcast and podcasters just keep listening.

She was so

open and honest because there was a lot of shit that went down.

And she just comes right out and says it.

And I had so much respect for her.

So I hope everyone listens to it with like an open mind and an appreciation for the transparency.

Because now that she's not of an actual housewife, she doesn't owe us an explanation.

And I just thought it was so cool of her.

And I actually ended up loving her.

No, me too.

I really liked her approach and her outlook towards this time in her life and what the show meant to her.

I think some people might see it differently, but I think she just had such a positive, great outlook.

And after speaking with her, I really hope that the stars align and that she is a full-time housewife next year because I think she's so fabulous.

Me too.

I think there's

her energy.

And there's more there.

I loved her energy.

Me too.

And the fact that she's a toaster, like she's obviously a beautiful standing and smart queen with amazing taste in podcast influencers and comedians and authors.

100%.

Oh man, speaking of

all of those words.

Words,

Clubhouse.

Claudia and I joined Clubhouse yesterday.

I got, I'm not, I wasn't entirely sure on what it was.

I'd read some articles about it, but a girl I used to work with, who I haven't literally heard from in years, she was texting me.

She's like, I have this invite.

Do you want it?

And I was like, okay.

And I just signed up and you and Margo signed up literally the same day.

You, you actually got the invitation.

I got the invitation like a week ago and I didn't do anything.

I got the invitation yesterday morning and I signed up yesterday and then I was like, guys, we should do this.

And I was like thinking about, I have been thinking about it, but I didn't realize you needed an invite.

So like my invite came and then I joined.

Yeah, of course, I'm not going to go seeking out an invite.

That's desperate.

Yeah, no, I hadn't gotten to that place yet, but I probably would have gotten there, but I was glad to have gotten an invite.

And yesterday we spent the day sort of trying to figure out what's going on there.

You started a chat.

You started a room last night.

There was like a lot of people on.

And what I liked about it, and I feel like it has a similar kind of vibe to how I do my Instagram lives.

Obviously, Instagram Live is audio and video.

And Clubhouse is an app where you basically start like a chat room just using audio and anyone can join and you can join people.

You can bring people up on the stage to moderate the conversation with you.

So at first it was just me, you and Margo talking about like what we thought Taylor Swift's announcement was going to be, which we're going to get into in the past five.

And then all these people started to join.

Vinny Guadagnino from the Jersey Shore, and he really elevated the conversation because we're huge Jersey Shore fans.

100%.

And it's clear that he knows what he's doing on

Clubhouse.

And he's been on the show.

And we were saying this on the chat.

Like, he was actually the first podcast I ever went on.

Like back in the day, he had a podcast with Podcast One.

And I was like so nervous because I was such a big Jersey Shore fan.

So he was great.

And then my friend Marge, who's a DJ, and she likes,

she's like a fabulous DJ, like in the city, like back in normal times.

Like if there was a fabulous party, like Marge was the DJ, like Tilching Gabbana, like everything and now she streams her concerts on Twitch and so of course she's on Clubhouse and she texted me like because she was like saw that I was struggling and she was helping me and then she joined we brought her up on the stage and it was and she was just like being so funny and it was just like a great random group of people we went on for like an hour just talking about Jersey Shore Taylor Swift Clubhouse and it was awesome like I actually really enjoyed it I enjoyed it I learned a lot about Clubhouse like I'm feeling better and I feel like for the toaster community like it could be a really great place for all of us audio like that's literally what we do That is what we do So I think there are gonna be ways that we can find to make it super fun and toasty I'm feeling like I kind of want to treat it just like my Instagram lives like you know some people say they're it

and I think like the element of just like anyone can stumble in and that's what Marge was telling me she's like it's crazy especially at night like people start rooms about random conversations and then like Bethany Frank will drop in like celebrities are just dropping into people's rooms to like hear interesting conversations and it's like this everyone not a lot of nobody has has like millions of followers yet.

So it's kind of like an even playing field to school.

And it's nice that it's audio.

So you don't have to like worry about, you know, getting your look together to get on a room.

So you're just jumping from room to room.

Yeah.

And so that is like a benefit.

But then another thing that I felt last night was like, I was literally laying in bed like a piece of shit, like legs spread, like a finger out my nose.

But also my phone was laying on my chest and I was just talking and it was so comfortable.

And while that's great, because you know, I hate putting on makeup, that also seems like a recipe for disaster because you feel like you're just talking with your sisters and friends and there are things things you say publicly, and there are things you say privately.

And you know, sometimes some of the things I say are a little mean, but I would only say it to you.

Yeah.

And so, just having Clubhouse make me feel so comfortable actually scared me a little bit.

But I think that's what makes the conversations actually interesting.

Agreed.

And because the audio doesn't live on, I think they want you to be comfortable.

Yeah, that's true.

Like, you watch it live, and then I think it disappears.

Like, there's no

archive, which thank god.

Yeah.

Because we're, I'm the queen of, you know, just so my handle is at Jackie oshway

and you can follow me for some really lively discussions do you know what my handle is girl with no job it is but when i first signed up someone took girl with no job so i did girl with no job

and i went to go see you find found it and it was a guy named rotem tamir and i'm like okay israeli like i can really maybe this person follows me so i dm at rotem to mirror on instagram and i'm like And I saw he's responding to my stories like, come to Israel or I love LA, like just responding to stuff.

So I'm like, are you the Rotem Tamir who stole my username?

And he was like, yes, I finally got your attention.

And I was like, he was like, he gave it back to me, like, no problem.

He was so nice.

And shout out Rotem Tamir for not making me like pay $5,000.

Wow, that is so crazy.

I didn't know you had that experience yesterday and that it was like so successful.

Wow, you don't watch my stories?

Like I chronicled the whole thing.

Oh, did you?

Sometimes I don't watch with sound.

I'm not going to lie.

Especially when it's like you're talking to the camera.

Oh, so like just my pride and joy.

That's crazy.

I literally watch everything.

I mean, I guess like you put out like 10% 10 of the stories that i put out and i make my story so that you don't have to listen to sound and i respond to because that's how i listen all of your stories i'm like lol like i respond to all of yours too oh man i can't believe you don't watch my face talking ones those are my favorite ones some of them i do but also like sometimes you're recapping a show and it's like either we recap it on the toast or i don't watch the show so i just tap tap tap that's tap and wow tap tap tap three fucking taps wow she puts on her red heads where she finally says you know what i'm like now that i'm thinking about why I don't watch certain things, I'm realizing that if you're talking to the camera, I like when there's a little bit of text underneath, just like letting me know what you're talking about.

I think that would be like really great.

I know.

I'm just like so

lazy.

Yeah.

And there really should be like a camera.

Like if you had captioned like, oh my God, username drama

with my clubhouse, like I would have been like, what?

Yeah, no, you're right about that.

People are getting really good at that.

I also do wish there was some sort of closed captioning feature.

I think there is.

Oh.

I think there is.

I've seen on other people.

There should be.

Me too.

Like their text just like coming across the screen of what they're saying.

I will do better on, you know, categorizing and teasing.

Teasing, yeah.

You're right.

I just throw shit at the wall and I'm like, hopefully someone thinks that's funny.

Yeah.

Like if you just gave like a couple words about what this story is about, like I think it would be even more engaging.

That's a decent idea.

Great.

Yeah.

Love to see it.

I'll work on it.

That and my clubhouse persona.

Yes.

Very, very exciting.

I definitely felt like a radio host, like, you know, Chloe Kardashian when she moved to Miami and she was on that show.

What up, Miami?

I definitely felt like a grandma trying to use the microwave.

Like, getting onto a new platform is just, it's crazy out there.

Yeah.

Like, when I got on TikTok, I felt old because like all the kids who were making like sickening edited videos were so young.

With Clubhouse, everyone.

I feel dumb.

Yes, that's what I was going to say.

Everyone who I know is a genius.

Everyone who I know on it is like a top leader in their field.

Yes.

So I'm like, oh, I'm dumb.

I can't figure this out.

Yeah, no, like everyone is Elon Musk.

Everyone has Bitcoin.

It's a big Bitcoin communite.

I know.

And so I do feel like,

you know,

I feel like the intern.

Yeah, no, I definitely feel like the new kid

in school, which is the worst.

Yeah, it has like a LinkedIn-y feel.

And just given our work, like, we're not big LinkedIn people.

I actually deleted my LinkedIn a few years ago.

And so it's, it's.

It's a new vibe for us, but I'm I'm here for it to be like in the professional community.

Yeah, so follow us, Jackie Oshray and Girl with No Job.

Buh-buh.

No, I got the one B.

Girl with no job.

Buh.

Sweet.

Anything else you want to talk about before we dive in?

No, not much.

Just, you know, Bruce has just been such

sweet, sweet love.

And he's really been taking up my day.

So if I'm going to recap my day yesterday, it's just Bruce.

It's Bruce Bruce, lunch.

Bruce

Bruce, dinner.

Dinner.

Yeah.

Bruce Clubhouse.

Yes.

Bruce Bruce.

Bruce and Knowles.

Yes, you saw Magnolia last night, but I'll one-up you.

I saw Michaela.

I know.

There was a battle of the sisters in her.

If you were on our clubhouse room, you knew that that's what was going down.

Snitch came over for dinner.

I cooked a romantic dinner for two, while Knowles and Bruce got it on.

Bruno was literally like...

Bruno's not neutered yet.

No, he's getting like, now's the time.

I'm going to schedule his appointment.

So sad.

I know.

I'm sad for him, but I'm also like glad he won't be like constantly horny because I just feel like he can't focus on anything else because he's always so horny.

Well, he will still be like a little horny, but not nearly nearly as much.

I remember when Theo got neutered, I'm like, oh, the problem's solved.

And he still like humped a little bit, especially right after the surgery, but it eventually fizzles out.

Now Theo only humps when he's like really riled the fuck up.

Yeah, like when he sees you.

For sure.

And also, I just feel like Bruno's productivity levels will be higher once he's like less horny.

He can focus on, you know, his passions.

Yeah, he can't focus on anything right now.

So that's what's new.

That's the latest with Bruce.

On the loose.

Bruce.

Bruce on the loose.

Hey, Bruce on the loose.

We hope everyone enjoyed our Subway the Musical episode yesterday.

Oh my God.

I rewatched it a number of times.

It was so fucking stellar.

And I got a bunch of suggestions.

And one that I was remiss, devastated, and heartbroken not to have included is like when you take the train in from Jersey.

Welcome to New York.

It's been waiting for you.

Welcome to the business.

Speaking of Taylor Swift.

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Okay, first story.

Taylor Swift announces imminent drop of Love Story re-recording and an upcoming Fearless album.

Just in time for Valentine's Day, Taylor Swift is giving her fans the love story they've all been waiting for.

On Thursday morning, the superstar delighted her Swifties by announcing that the re-recording of her career-changing song, Love Story, would drop at midnight.

And if that weren't enough, Swift also revealed she's been hard at work re-recording Fearless, which will feature the new name of Fearless Taylor's version.

The new album will also feature 26 songs with a total of six new songs from the vault that she wrote between the ages of 16 and 18 that she intended to be on the Fearless album, but for one reason or another did not make the cut, you know, industry rules.

But now we're breaking down industry walls and she can put as many songs as she wants on the album.

Okay, so this is like so exciting for so many reasons.

Obviously, like I knew the love story renewed version was coming out because it was on the match.com commercial and we've known about it for a while.

And whatever, like, yeah, I was excited about it, but like, not gonna, you know, shit my pants over it.

Really, I'm not.

Well, who knows?

But,

but I will shit my pants over 26 re-recorded and six new songs from Fearless, which is one of my favorite albums, like Forever and Always, You Belong With Me, Fearless, um, Hey, Steven, Steven, like White Horse, so many iconic songs.

And I love that there's six new songs that are from that time in her life because, for me, like her songwriting has always been really strong, but like to me, that was when it was like so innocent and delicious and hadn't blossomed yet.

And I can't wait to hear six more songs from the mind of the 16-year-old Taylor Swift.

I completely agree.

When I saw that it was Fearless that was going to be the first album she was re-recording, like I got so excited.

Fearless is such a pivotal masterpiece.

But an album in my life that like it's just one of my favorite albums of all time.

Like, You Belong With Me is literally the reason why we are called The Steens.

Like, it is one of my favorite songs of all time.

So, that she's re-recording those songs so we get to listen to them all over again is so exciting.

But that we are also getting six songs that are of the same elk,

which are my favorite songs.

Songs are crazy.

I did not think I would be this excited about the re-releasing.

Right.

Because I don't know what I expected, but I kind of thought

start, yeah, maybe start with greatest hits or maybe start with like red red or something.

I just, I haven't thought it that much through.

And just the fact that we're, or maybe if she was starting from the beginning to start with Taylor Swift.

That's what I assumed she was going to do.

And while I love and respect the debut album, it is not

one of my tops.

Yeah.

And I would have listened to the re-recorded album and like stand it till the day I die.

But Fearless, you're right, is like a special piece of music in the grand scheme of the world of music, but also like in our personal lives.

It's such a transformative album.

Like I just, I have so many associations like being at camp, being in high school, listening to these songs, and they really like shaped us as people.

So, I'm so thrilled she decided to go with Fearless.

It's also the first time she won a Grammy for album of the year, and I think really catapulted her to another, like, pop star level of fandom and no, pop star level of fame.

And it's just so exciting.

I'm like pissed that we have to wait until April fucking 9th.

So, that was the Easter egg.

She capitalized a few letters.

Very lemony snicket of her.

If you guys have read the series of Unfortunate Events, it's clear that Taylor has two because that is such a Violet Beauregard move.

She capitalized all the letters that sent us a message.

Violet Beauregard is from Chocolate Factory.

Violet.

Right?

Violet Beauregard is Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Fires are crossing.

Are you sh yeah, but no, that sounds right.

Violet, you're turning violet.

Lemony Snicket.

Violet.

Violet.

Yeah, that works.

Probably just a different last name.

Baudelaire.

Very similar.

That's confusing.

That is confusing.

Yeah, I don't blame you.

It's a Violet Baudelaire move.

Wow.

I didn't even realize how similar those names were.

Also,

what the fuck is Lemony Snicket?

Series of Unfortunate Events?

The books?

You know, it sounds familiar.

I've never read it.

Okay, but then, fine, say you didn't read it, even though the books were fantastic.

The show on Netflix with Jim Carrey as Count Olaf.

Don't know what you're talking about.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, I never really watched the show because I had kind of outgrown it by then, but the books were so good.

Not that you would ever read them now.

Like, if you were ever going to read them was when we were kids.

You guys, the Lemony Snicket,

Chef's Kiss.

I was more of a Harriet the Spy kind of gal.

Yeah, but these were like, it was a series of unfortunate events.

It was these three off-orphans, the Baudelairs.

Their parents passed away.

They have to go live with their mean cousin, but they have a big fortune.

And Count Olaf, who is played by Jim Carrey in the movies, he keeps popping up in all these different live, like ways in their life, like...

but in disguises, but they always know it's him because he has an eye tattoo on his ankle.

And every time they see it, they're like, spooky.

But the Baudelaire children are geniuses and they find a way out of everything.

Violet sends messages.

A la, Taylor Swift.

Got it.

Okay, right.

That's what we were talking about.

Thank you for bringing it back home.

And she let us know that it's probably dropping April 9th.

Very exciting.

I'm so happy for Taylor.

The album cover is sickening.

It's an homage to her curly-haired, fearless cover, Hair in the Wind, but it's more mature.

Her hair isn't as curly anymore, but it's still like, it's very similar, but it's like the new Taylor Swift vibe inspired by the old Taylor Swift.

Yeah, it's like a collab between the two Taylors.

Yeah, it's like 16-year-old Taylor met 30-year-old Taylor, and they made this cover together.

Yeah, but it also just looks like a picture taken on an iPhone with the Sepia filter on it, which I respect as well.

It's just a great day to be a Taylor Swift fan.

We got so much more than we were expecting.

Like, I was really expecting just Love Story, and like, that's like a decent announcement, but it's not.

I wasn't expecting just that because that's not like GMA-worthy.

Yeah.

But this also kind of looks like the lover cover.

Yeah, well, her hair is just the same.

No, and her face is so sad.

She's just been giving us so much.

Like, this will now be her third album in a year because folklore was released in 2020.

Like that's just crazy.

That is crazy.

And we're just used to getting so little from her and just like appreciating every crumb.

And now I'm like genuinely feeling overwhelmed.

But I'm also glad, I mean, April 9th seems a little far away.

I wish she was dropping in like two or three weeks because I'm glad that we have this lead up to get excited, but it's a little too much time.

I agree.

Just a little too much.

But that's what it used to be.

Like we, like before BC, before COVID, we used to find out about albums like a year in advance.

And like we would have to wait so long.

So like in the grand scheme.

Especially in the Taylor world.

This goes back to like old Taylor.

So in the grand scheme of things, like, okay, what?

It's February, May is, April is, it's two months, like, right?

March, April.

Yeah, two months.

It's like not that crazy, but in COVID times, it's an eternity.

It's an eternity.

But maybe we could spend that time listening to the old versions because then I'm never listening to them ever again.

Like once the new ones come.

But I see, like, I as true Swifties, like, haven't really streamed that music.

Yeah.

But actually, I own the Fearless album on iTunes.

I actually own all the albums on iTunes.

So I guess if I play them on my

They already made the money, so it's over.

That's fine.

Okay, and I bought it when Taylor was still a part of it.

I think Taylor would understand.

Okay, so just don't stream it.

I'll send you guys illegally if anybody wants it.

No, she won't.

No, that's a joke.

President Biden.

And

Madam Vice President.

I was kidding.

Piracy is a very serious issue.

And FBI, it's like $250,000 fine.

I used to remember that thing they put up before the movies.

So I'm 100% kidding.

She's a comedian.

I am Comeeek, and I was kidding.

Great.

Love to see it.

Thank you so much for your service.

God bless America.

So very exciting news for the Swifties, you know?

It's been a great year for Swifties.

V-E-N-F-T-S.

Yes.

Venfitches.

Next up, Morgan Wallen breaks his silence after using a racial slur, tells fans not to defend him, quote, I was wrong.

Morgan Wallen is taking ownership of his actions after he was captured on video.

What website is this?

This is People Magazine.

Okay.

After he was captured on video using the N-word.

On Wednesday, the Country Music Star released a five-minute Instagram video addressing his use of the racial slur, urging fans not to defend him as he wants to, quote, take ownership for the offense.

He said, I'm long overdue to make a statement regarding my last incident.

I wanted to collect my thoughts, seek some real guidance, and come to you with a complete thought before I did.

According to Wallen, the video that Surface was taken, was taken during a bender, which he said was something, was not something I'm proud of either.

72 hour bender.

He said it was the 72nd hour of a 72-hour bender.

So I want to dive into this because I was really waiting to hear from him.

And I think that

the apology was

decent in some ways and atrocious in some other ways.

One, we'll start with the negatives because I'm a negative person.

It was so clearly scripted.

And I think that very little attempt was made to make it seem like it wasn't scripted.

Like, it's been a week.

Like,

and whether or not he wrote it or someone else, like, whenever you sound scripted, people doubt you.

So, even if these were his words and he just wanted to read it from a paper so he didn't forget anything, like, that I understand.

But it just sounded very scripted.

He had, like, he couldn't even take a breath between the sentences.

Like, it was just, that was disappointing.

Well, if it's going to be scripted, would you rather someone pretend like it's not and sort of lie, or just have it be scripted so you know that they were reading what they wanted to say?

I would would much prefer someone say, like, I wrote down my thoughts.

Okay.

That's what Hannah Brown did when she went on that Instagram live.

She said, I wrote down my thoughts and I don't want to forget them.

And I think that's very honest.

And I'm like, I can respect that.

But to make it seem like you're thinking of it off the cuff, like, that's just annoying.

And it was so clearly scripted.

And I'm not saying that means he didn't write it.

Yeah.

I thought the apology, you know, just in its words, were actually pretty good because he said a few key things that I think were really important.

Like one to his supporters, like, please stop defending me because what I did was indefensible.

And I think that's like a a really

important thing to say.

The other thing was like

talking about how his first apology was trash.

Yeah.

And how he said that he had written more and some of the publications like only chose a few lines, but regardless, like it wasn't nearly appropriate enough.

And the third thing that he said that I thought was important was

the sobriety of it all.

So he says he's nine days sober now.

Yeah.

Which obviously is not an excuse.

And I do think he has a very long journey of healing and self-discovery in front of him.

And this is a step.

Like I always want to assume that people are capable of changing because I know that they are.

But again, this is not my apology to either accept or not accept.

And I

will leave it at that.

I think it was fine.

It wasn't, it wasn't great.

I thought, like, I agree with you.

I think that his words, he said a lot of things that really struck.

a chord.

And I think also this is a theme that we were seeing even randomly in Real House Eyes of Salt Lake City.

It's like you can apologize for something, but forgiveness is given when the actions change afterwards.

So I think that him sitting down and I believe that he wrote what he wanted to say and then read it because you don't want to get it wrong and you don't want to forget something.

But I think this is a really good first step for him.

And as he said, he's going on a journey.

Like he's going to go off the grid for a little bit.

And who knows if he's going to get like fully sober.

He's also said that he would be meeting with groups to educate himself.

The NAACP recently offered to meet with him.

And he said that he accepted some invitations from some amazing black organizations.

And you know what?

I thought that was a great thing that he said too was like he was really like the you know everything was happening all around him and leaders from black organizations and black communities were reaching out to him to educate him and kind of like you know help him and he's like even when I like so grossly offended them like they could have stepped on my neck and like you know they reached out to help me which was like

he says meant a lot to him.

So overall I agree like the words of the apology were actually pretty good.

I think the delivery was kind of weak and I'm just looking at it from like a a strategic standpoint because I have made an apology video myself.

Like I'm, I just think it was, um, the delivery was Matt.

But again, it's like not my apology to accept.

It's not our apologies to accept.

So I'm just, I'm curious to see like what he does with his life.

Yeah.

And what the next steps are as just being a first step.

I just think like as like,

like, like I said, like, I'm not black.

It's not on me to accept his apology.

But as a fan, I'm just like tired of like his like drama, you know?

Yeah, but I think he's like, behave.

It seems like he's tired of it too and i think that he wants to make real change in his life on a number of levels and he's going to go and do that yeah well i'm always going to champion someone who wants to better themselves right and i'm not going to you know kick them while they're down so hopefully hopefully we'll see a new morgan

nmw new morgan won

Okay, you ready for our next story?

Yeah.

The bachelor's Chris Harrison is apologizing for, quote, speaking in a manner that perpetuates racism.

This was fucking weird.

Yeah.

Earlier this week, the longtime host addressed the controversy surrounding current contestant Rachel Kirk Connell while speaking with Bachelor Nation's Rachel Lindsay.

Although Harrison told Lindsay he wanted fans to, quote, have a little grace with Kirk Connell in the wake of her resurfaced and racially insensitive photos, his comments didn't sit well with some fans, even resulting in a petition calling for him to be removed from the franchise.

Now, in a statement, Harrison admitted to quote, wrongly speaking in a managed manner that perpetuates racism, and he apologized to fans.

He said to my

Bachelor Nation family, I will always own a mistake when I make one, so I am here to extend a sincere apology.

I have this incredible platform to speak about love, and yesterday I took a stance on topics which I should have been better informed.

While I do not speak for Rachel Kirkconnell, my intentions were simply to ask for grace in offering her an opportunity to speak on her own behalf.

Yeah, this was really bizarre.

And after the I watched the interview, I was left feeling, you know, 100% convinced that Rachel Kirkonne is the winner of the season because I've never seen somebody like so blindly defend someone

like Chris Harrison did Rachel Kirkonnell.

Especially Chris Harrison.

He tended to

get involved in anything.

So I'm convinced that she's the winner.

Yeah, which is a bummer that it's sort of spoiled.

And it's weird because all this stuff has come out about her and she's dating, possibly engaged to a black man.

And I think that Rachel Lindsay steered the conversation with Chris Harrison very well.

And I know Rachel Lindsay is very passionate about things like this.

And I think that Chris Harrison, among his many mistakes in that conversation, was just being so like flippant about the whole thing.

Yes.

And like, really kind of talking down to Rachel when, of the two of them, Rachel is the expert on racism, like not you, Chris Harrison.

So I felt like he just came into the conversation like so weirdly strong.

And he was just like dying on this hill where he was kind of wrong, pretty much wrong.

And I just found it so bizarre.

And I'm like thinking to myself, why is I thought it was weird that he was defending a contestant so hard, which is not something he ever does.

And B, especially when, you know, her, what what she's being held accountable for, like, she needs to be held accountable for.

And I think Rachel's point, which was really well said, is like, okay, but like, when are we going to hear from her?

Yeah.

And I think now, after all of this, too, like, it is time to hear from her.

I've always been under the impression that contestants can't speak on anything.

They can't go on podcasts.

They can't do anything until after they're eliminated from the show.

But Rachel Lindsay said that she is under like no congressional obligation to not speak about this.

Yeah.

So now that it's become an even bigger conversation and I feel like it started out like on the internet and you have to be really into like bachelor news to have heard about it.

But now it's very much in the mainstream.

Chris Harrison is like speaking about it, apologizing about it.

I think it's time to hear from Rachel.

I agree.

And that's pretty much like the point Rachel was trying to make.

Aside from like Chris Harrison making, going on so many bizarre tangents like about like Confederate statues.

Like I literally didn't know what he was talking about.

He was going and he was just being so weird.

Rachel's whole point was like of course like we let's give people a chance to explain themselves explain yourself rachel like she's just been mia yeah so i think rachel handled the whole conversation really well especially given the fact that like chris harrison was like kind of condescending the whole time and he was like i don't know rachel do we need to talk about racism like like it's like chris harrison has not been alive this last, you know, one or two years where like the con we're changing how we talk about race and racism in America.

And it was like, I felt like I was watching an interview like from from 2008.

Like it was so bizarre.

Yeah.

And I just was left 100% convinced that Rachel Kirkana is the winner.

So I think we can pretty much call it.

Yeah.

I wouldn't defend anyone and protect them so hard if they weren't a winner.

Yeah.

I have a feeling we'll be hearing from her soon, but I guess the initial plan was to wait until after the final show ended because that's what's been done in the past.

Gary.

When a winner had controversy or someone who was a runner-up, like we heard from them when the season ended, but I just feel like with social media, everything, the pace of everything is just faster.

And I think we should be hearing from her soon.

I agree.

And just kudos to Rachel Lindsay for steering that conversation because it was painful at times.

And it was long too.

It was 14 minutes.

Yeah, it was long.

Longer than normal extra TV segments.

I had the same thought.

You too.

I had multiple ads served to me in the YouTube video.

Yeah.

And I was like, is this whole conversation about Rachel KirkConnell?

And all 14 minutes were about it.

Yeah.

So

bizarre.

And I do think that probably because Rachel Lindsay is still doing the Bachelor Rhett podcast,

she's still under some form of bachelor contract with ABC.

So I'm sure she couldn't, you know, really say what she wanted to say to Chris Harrison.

Yeah.

Agreed.

Okay, next story is really exciting for toasters and people everywhere.

Rebecca Black drops a Friday remix.

For toasters and human beings everywhere.

Yes.

I guess they are one and the same.

Yes.

Rebecca Black drops a Friday remix with a wild new music video.

This was just something that like nobody asked for, but that we all needed.

And we did did not even know.

Desperately.

Internet Sensation Rebecca Black is celebrating the 11th anniversary of her song Friday in

psychedelic style.

I know, and it's like, should it have been for the 10th?

Yeah, or like wait four more years, the 15th.

Yeah, but it couldn't have come at a better time because we're just like, we literally sing the song like multiple times a week.

Yeah, I don't know if I'll be singing this new techno version.

No, it's super techno.

It's not my vibe.

No, but I'm just like glad for the renewed excitement for the song.

Yeah, no, of course.

And I know that she's leaning into it.

Yes, and she is like a bona fide influencer these days.

And so I love when, you know, people go back to maybe the

embarrassing thing that made them famous.

No, because she's kind of evolved past it, especially on TikTok.

She's like a queer TikTok icon.

Like she's really big on TikTok.

She has like a successful influencing career.

So she doesn't have to like go back to the same, which she actually has talked about.

Like...

Although it was like funny and fun for us, like she actually like had to do a lot of therapy because

you would imagine traumatizing.

Yeah.

So it's this thing that like we look back on it fondly.

I don't think that she does.

Well, maybe now she does.

Maybe she's gotten to a place now, but like she was 13 years old when this video came out and it was like part of, like, it was like, you know, an after-school activity to like go write a song and make a music video.

And it went completely viral and like not in the most positive way.

I can imagine that is extremely traumatizing.

Right.

So I think it's very cool.

And I'm sure it was probably like part of her therapy to redo this.

This must be liberating.

But the song.

Sucks.

Like the new version.

It's like, don't, would you repaint the Bona Lisa?

Like, why would you do that?

No, you wouldn't.

Like, you don't fuck with a masterpiece, but I'm sure they just had fun with it.

Big Frida's on the song, and I think Rebecca Black was really excited to get other people involved.

Like, she was excited to see that people want to be involved with it.

It's just not my particular genre of music.

I also think she should have gotten you involved, but that's just me.

No, I think she should have used this set.

100 mergers.

Yeah.

So check it out if you're looking for some great news.

I watched the video.

It was cute.

It was cute.

If you're looking for some great new jams.

Yeah.

Oh, and it's also on our Instagram.

You post it.

Yeah.

If you are epileptic, I would not recommend watching the video.

It was very strobey.

It actually had a strobe warning on the opening card, the title card.

Well, that's nice, Atlas.

Yeah.

Fifth and final story, some ad drama.

Some AD?

A D.

Ad drama?

Ad drama.

The and council is quaking.

Oh, my God.

Or like the Parents TV Association.

Like, they're quaking.

What's the news?

It's actually some drama.

Bruce Springsteen's Super Bowl ad.

Oh, my God.

Has been scrapped from Jeep's YouTube page amid a DWI bust for oh shit yep bruce springsteen super bowl lv jeep commercial which we talked about and a lot of people did um was yanked from youtube on wednesday after the legends dwi bust came to light the claim wait is it a new it just happened november 14th he got a dwi and like the um how did the media like not find out i don't know it was at a national park it's like so oh my god yeah national park yeah if you do something bad at a national park like you could literally be like sentenced to life in prison like crazy shit happens on national parks yeah because they're national national.

It's just

parks.

It's a federal property.

It's federal property.

Yay, maybe.

That still sounds like what it might be.

No, but it's definitely federal property.

The clip is now unavailable.

It says this video is private.

The Hollywood Reporter first reported that the ad had been taken off of Jeep's page at around 1 p.m.

The commercial wasn't on Jeep's Twitter on Wednesday.

It was revealed that Bruce was arrested at November.

Bruce.

Oh my God, I was just thinking that.

Like, to me, he's not Bruce.

He's Bruce Springsteen.

But then when you realize that, he has the same name as your dog.

I know, and I feel like people might think when I call him Bruce on Instagram that I named him after Bruce.

Springsteen or Bruce Soffer?

Oh, I mean, all of the above.

Yeah.

Okay, here's, it was revealed that Bruce Springsteen, not

Fitcheman, wine refinetso, sweets, was arrested November 14th at a national park in his home state of New Jersey and charged with the DWI reckless driving and consuming alcohol in a closed area.

A spokesperson for the National Park Service said Springsteen was

cooperative throughout the process.

According to TMZ, which first reported the arrest, the allegedly juiced Bruce has a court date.

Bruce on the juice.

Badam, thumb.

Bruce on the juice.

Has a court date coming in the next few weeks and has no known prior busts for DWI.

A Jeep spokesperson said it would be inappropriate to comment on the matter that the brand can't substantiate, but they said, quote, it's also right that we pause our big game commercial until the actual facts can be established.

Its message of community and unity is as relevant relevant as ever, as is the message that drinking and driving can never be condoned.

Fuck community and unity.

You're a car brand and your spokesperson just got arrested for drunk driving.

Like that is quite possibly the worst thing Bruce Springsteen could have done during his time as the Jeep spokesperson.

He would have been better off.

killing someone because it's not oh maybe if it was a hit and run that would be bad but like you know what i mean like the direct association between the jeep of course and the drunk driving is so bad.

Of course.

So good on them for taking it down.

I didn't even know.

Like, I think it's so crazy that this kind of went under the radar.

Every rock star in the world can get a DWI and we don't hear about it.

Right.

No, that's that's power.

Yeah.

That's true power.

And I feel like Bruce, can you imagine like being the cop who had to arrest Bruce Springsteen?

He's probably like, Bruce, I'm sorry.

I love your work, you know?

Yeah, it would have been good if it was me because I didn't recognize him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or like don't know any of his songs.

I know like two.

Yeah.

Baby, I was born to run.

I don't think that's how it goes.

I think it's we were born to run.

I just made it selfish.

And I know that one

that Zach Shapiro loves.

Rosalita.

Bumba.

And then I think that's it.

Yeah, I'm sure there's more.

Oh, yeah, that one where he's like, Bruce on the loose.

Bruce on the loose.

Seriously, not cool to drink and drive.

Don't fucking do it.

Whether you're Bruce Springsteen or just a fabulous toaster, there's nothing fabulous about drinking and driving.

100%.

And honestly, I'm judging Bruce Springsteen.

You know, I actually really, really like, I like to act dead serious.

Like, I really like to pride myself on being someone who's not judgmental, like at all.

Like, you can tell me things about your lifestyle.

And I really feel like I'm so open.

I do not judge people.

And I always think, like, if I were ever a housewife, that would probably be like my greatest feature.

Like, I really think that.

But I judge people so hard.

You do.

You take it really seriously.

I have not fucked with Sam Hunt since he did that and like barely gave us an apology.

Like I don't support, like, and I'm not into cancel culture just personally like I think it's so disgusting like to drink and drive to drink and drive and like I think of you so differently but other than that like I'm really not judgmental.

Okay.

I'm really not.

Okay.

So but what you're saying is you're judging Bruce.

I'm hardcore judging Bruce.

Like you're the richest person in the world.

Like get a driver.

And like drivers are so elegant and cheek.

And then you go like drink in the back.

Like it's ideal.

Drink in the back like a rock star.

Yeah, like get a limousine.

It's just, it's so stupid.

yeah

same with sam hunt like all the resources in the world take an uber black well no in the age of uber there's no excuse no excuse for nothing there ever was but still you're right uber lift anywhere you go i went on tour to 60 cities every single one of them had lift or some sort of rideshare there's no excuse 100

okay

You know like, you know like what would happen to me?

No.

Do you know what I'm gonna say?

I don't know, but I don't want you to even say.

No, like let's say like 10 years from now like i'm going through something dark and like i get arrested for dwi like this clip goes viral 100 but no i wouldn't i would never bear mostly because like i can barely drive sober like let alone drunk yeah that's why i just don't drive at all yeah no for sure um don't do it Time for TV recap.

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Okay, part one of the Real House is a Salt Lake City reunion.

It was very exciting.

Like, something about

seeing all the women like together being civil, like, was kind of weird because I don't think since

Mary's red carpet Met Gala, have we had every single woman together?

Yeah, because Mary did not participate in anything, but then she showed up and showed out for the reunion.

She was very lucid, and I think that's probably been one of her biggest people have critiqued her the most for like, she's kind of all over the place in her storytelling and in her conversations.

But I thought she was very clear-headed.

I thought she was great.

I loved seeing her, but it did feel weird.

It's like seeing a dog walk on his hind legs.

I'm like, I'm not used to seeing Mary sit down and talk to every single person.

Yeah, I agree.

But she did a great job for herself, and I actually feel like she could be a housewife again next season.

Yeah.

Um, but they'll just have to do a bit, like, they need to solve this thing between Jen and Mary because I think they'll both be back next season and they need to be able to film together.

Yeah, but you know what?

I felt like, and I know it was only part one, but I wasn't even that interested in the Mary versus Jen.

I'm really shook at like Lisa and Jen versus the world.

This Lisa and Jen alliance is so bizarre because I really cannot pinpoint any moment this season of them being friends.

They've always been friendly but yeah no they clearly are very much having each other's backs i feel like lisa sees that she's not gonna be well like america's sweetheart and that like being friends with heather like heather is really the the breakout star of the season like so beloved rihanna's dming her that was crazy that was crazy and so i think lisa sees that she probably erred in that but that also gen shot is a huge star from this season so she's gonna attach herself yes yeah lisa's so like shallow and i can really like see through all of her decision making and how she just loves being a housewife and wants to be well liked.

And I think the comment that she made towards the end of the episode, blaming Heather for the audience not liking her, she's like, the audience doesn't like me and sends me DMs calling me.

And name calling is not correct.

But to blame Heather, who you're arguing with on a show, for people not liking you is so backwards.

Like maybe people don't like you because everyone in the room is saying the exact same thing.

Like you act like you're better like than everyone.

And so if everyone came to this conclusion on their own, like maybe it is time.

And I'm a person who's actually very similar to Lisa.

Like I I know sometimes people think I can be bitchy and like I'm very direct and loud.

And I get that.

And it definitely does get misconstrued sometimes.

Sometimes, but if every single person I'm friends with has the same kind of feeling after interacting with me that I give off the vibe, that I think I'm better than them, and that, like, I talk down to them, like, that's a terrible thing, way to make someone feel.

Yeah, that's true.

And I wish she would just like take that in more.

Yeah, and just reflect on that.

And I don't even know any of these women, but when I look at the show, what did I say here three weeks ago?

I'm like, Lisa thinks she's too good for all these women.

Yeah.

So it's like her friends are coming to that assumption.

The audience, like, maybe it's time to just reflect inward and be like, why do I give off that vibe?

Yeah.

Like, you don't have to be so defensive all the time.

It was just frustrating.

And that, that whole thing of her blaming Heather was insane and backwards.

Like, that's not how it works.

Yeah.

And to me, I feel like the clearest example of her thinking she was better than the other women was when she had that dinner on the mountain for like business women in Salt Lake City.

And

didn't invite her fellow businesswomen on the show.

And it's like, oh no, you're not the kind of businesswoman.

Yeah, that was a part.

And what I thought was most interesting was learning more about Jen Shaw's business.

Because it seems like, because we've been saying, like, an assistant college football coach doesn't live this lifestyle, Balman, Chanel, Versace, everything, romancian, shall I, party, party, party.

It seems like she's the breadwinner in the family, which I thought was so interesting.

And her company sounds like a, like a legit tech business.

Like

sounded really interesting.

I would love to know more.

I agree.

Maybe we'll get more next season.

Like maybe they'll say, oh, the viewers were interested in this.

Like, let's focus on this as your personal storyline.

Because I totally agree.

That was the vibe that i got to and i'm very much here for it and interested in learning more right and it's like a super successful company like she's not every day you know in meetings about it but it's like it's a self-sufficient company i thought that was fascinating

heather is so clearly like the queen of the show and i think her and whitney whitney in the beginning i felt was a little weak but i think like she's not a confrontational person but the show kind of makes you into that type of person and i think together they're an unstoppable duo and i love that meredith is like sitting on their side even though like I don't think she's really on their side.

But I just need her because like the three of them are my queens.

It also feels like there's some tension between Meredith and Lisa.

Yes, I do think we will unpack it in part two and three.

Which is crazy and also a little sad.

They've been friends for 10 years and then like the show is one season.

But

wow.

I guess it also like when the cameras go up like you see people for who they really are.

I don't know what happens between them, but that would make me a little bit sad.

But better to know than to not know.

I did have one problem with where Meredith was sitting due to her side part.

I did feel like half the time I could only see her left eye, and I wish she had there moved the part to the other side so we could see like

face, hair,

as opposed to face, hair when the camera's over there.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

It was like very emo, like, mom, I'm working on my art right now.

Yeah, that's that's true.

I also didn't think that Meredith deserves third seats.

I thought the seating was bizarre.

Yeah.

Because it's okay, so it's Andy in the middle, and then flanking is Heather and Jen.

Perfect.

Yeah.

Then it was Lisa or Mary next seat.

Lisa and then Mary.

Yeah.

Lisa should have been in the third seat as should Mary, but I guess they wouldn't.

But actually, it should have been, it should have been.

Heather Whitney, Mary.

Yes, Heather Whitney, Mary, Jen Meredith, Lisa.

But you know what?

I think the three of them have a lot of conflict, and it would have been weird looking.

I also think now that for the last couple of reunions, everyone's had to be six feet apart.

Like, it does change the typical template of housewife seating charts.

Yeah, it's not the same.

Yeah.

I feel like Andy was having like the best time because it's like fresh women.

used to doing reunions with people who've been on the show for 10 years.

Like, these women are fresh and they're feeling, they're not calculated at all, like, they're just saying what they feel because this is all so new to them.

And I think Andy was like having the time of his life.

Yeah, and I think that the show has been really well received, and I think it's an exciting thing for him.

And I, I, I can imagine, even though it's so fabulous to us, I'm sure it gets mundane for him.

And we even sent it sometimes in like OC reunions, 12 hours days, like just shooting.

So, I think that it was like a reinvigoration, excitement.

And, you know, the biggest topic of conversation that came out of the reunion was Lisa Barlow's spray tan.

Her hands were like so dark and patchy.

And honestly, that's really unacceptable.

Like, as a housewife, like

glam has to be perfect.

Perfect.

And she's usually on point.

Very, I actually love her dress.

Me too.

When I saw the individual photos of what everyone was wearing, I was like, what?

Question.

Why?

They're actually quite a fashionable bunch.

But they looked okay on the show.

Just like, I don't know.

Some of of it was weird.

Heather's was bad.

Heather's was bad.

Jensha's is terrible.

When he's dressed was huge.

Yeah, it was, but actually, Meredith looked fire.

Lisa looked great.

Mary, not my personal style, but I still respect it.

And I like that she has her own personal style.

And she didn't give in like when they were like, what is it?

Your green loofah dress.

Like, she was like, it's Versace.

I like it.

Not everyone can pull it off.

You don't like it.

You don't wear it.

Like, that's actually a really respectable response.

No, I appreciate that.

I hate when people like, you know, clown on someone.

No, oh, hate that.

But I also hate when someone is themselves and it's not well received, so they change who they are or they change what they look like.

And it's like, no, just have the courage to be who you are.

Yeah, no, I definitely think I am the former, but still.

No, I'm sure.

I mean, I think,

but I actually felt the opposite.

I felt the same way about Lisa, too.

It was like she saw how she came off on the show, and considering she really wants to be on the show and be well-liked, she could have, like, at the reunion, kissed Heather's ass, but instead, she kind of doubled down on who she is.

And even though I have like some issues with her, I kind of respected that she stood up for herself.

That's a really fair point.

But I did

really start

to warm up to her when she started crying about her kids.

Not that I want her to cry, but it's like, finally, there's a human being behind this like perfect Mormon woman.

Like it was just, I don't think, first of all, I'd ever seen her cry thus far.

And I think we've pretty much seen everyone cry or like be emotional.

And that's what Andy was saying too.

She was just like so stoic and like wanted to win every argument and be like jiffable and like memeable and like she won the argument.

And just to see her break down, not that I want to see her sad, but it's like, oh my God, there is a real human being behind this character.

And everyone has been vulnerable, like Heather's dad passing away, Jen's dad passing away, Meredith and her

struggles with her husband.

Mary opened up about how like it was really hard for her to marry her fucking step-grandfather 20 years ago.

Like Whitney and all the shit she's been through.

Like everyone has been so honest, except for Lisa.

She's like, my business.

Like it was just like so vapid.

Yeah.

And It was nice to see her open up.

And I hope we see more like genuine sides of her, like more human sides of her.

Like nobody cares that you're the most successful, the most like, you don't have to be the most everything.

Just be a human being.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I also feel like there's a chance.

Right now I'm like unsure of Lisa and in some moments I'm like, yeah.

And in other moments I'm like, oh no, oh no, no, no, no, no.

But I feel like she could be one of those people who it takes like a few seasons to fully understand Doreet, Kevin Westcott, Eileen Davidson.

And like once you're you understand her, like maybe she's everything of the sort.

Like, I don't know, but I just, I only feel that way because every time I, there's a new episode, I feel differently about her.

And I just feel like I'm learning more.

But I do, I do think, like, we need to see more from her if she wants to get to that place.

That's all I'm saying.

And she has to open up more.

Like, she can't survive on housewives, like, just being like, business, business, business.

Like, that's not fun.

Yeah.

Open up.

What are you sad about?

What makes you happy?

Lisa Vannerpum, what keeps you up at night?

Like, these are the things that make a great housewife.

Vulnerability, honesty, transparency.

It might just take time with her.

Not everyone.

It's just like, oh, ready to open up.

It's time to be open.

Here I am.

Agreed.

And I think people can relate to that too.

I just, right now, I think, you know, she didn't come off the best this season, but I feel like there could be more to her.

Yeah, no, I just found it really interesting that Gen Chao was clear, like, the obvious villain this season, but for some reason, I'm feeling like the reunions are going in the direction of like everyone versus Lisa.

And I just want to know, like, why this Lisa-Gen alliance.

Yeah, I feel like we will get to know more, but I also don't think we got into the gen stuff like from Vegas and from Sharik's Barbara.

We haven't haven't gotten there yet.

So who knows what's going on?

Yeah, and I did feel like the footage was really doing Lisa dirty because she was like so judgmental to Whitney about dancing at Sharif's party.

When she full-on did the splits, Whitney brought it up and they cut to a clip of her.

Like that's what people mean when they say like, you think you're better than everyone.

So like if Whitney dancing is trashy, you doing it is fine.

Yeah.

That's like hypocrisy, the definition of hypocrisy.

Yes.

So the editors were just really on one.

I also feel like next season, like I don't need them to add any housewives and I don't need them to take any away.

I could go for this group again.

Get more, them getting more comfortable.

I completely agree.

Yeah, and it's also been over a year since they filmed this season.

Like, there's, I think there's a lot there.

Yeah, I just, I really love Meredith.

She didn't say one word this entire, her part isn't up yet.

Like, she is beef with Jen.

Um, so her part isn't up yet, but she was super quiet.

And I just find it interesting.

Like, she's not the typical housewife who I would, like, gravitate towards, but I just love her.

Yeah, me too.

No, I think she's, she's playing it well so far.

It's like, I'm not going to speak unless

you're spoken to.

Very mature.

Yeah, it's a long day.

It's a long day.

But those chairs actually do look comfortable.

Like, of all the chairs.

This set was also really cute.

But I loved the fake fireplace in the middle.

Yes, but it was like a little too

much.

Like, they could have dialed it back a little bit.

Oh, I actually really loved it.

It was like a lot of like grandma's house.

I liked it.

I thought it was like.

No, I love the furs.

I love the fake snow, but if you looked in the background, there was like so much going on.

Oh, I didn't look at it.

There was so much going on.

It looked like crazy.

I thought it was a great opening reunion.

Me too.

I'm glad that it's three parts, which means that it's juicy.

Yeah, and that means they respect

Salt Lake City, the executives over at Bravo.

Now, speaking of housewives, I'm really excited for our interview coming up.

If you're watching on YouTube, again, it's only available as a podcast because she joined us from Dallas.

Jen Davis from the Real Houses of Dallas is taking us on her journey with her.

You can tell she's kind of nervous in the beginning because it's like kind of a big thing she went through and part of the reason why she was hired as a housewife but had to step back.

And I think you'll just really appreciate her honesty.

and i encourage everyone to go into it with an open mind because it was very cool it was very cool of her and with that we will see you tomorrow tomorrow's episode is podcast only and don't forget to watch little because we'll be recapping it our toast movie of the week yes don't forget little available to stream on hbo max recap coming at you in tomorrow's podcast only episode

see you then bye

We are so excited to be back on the morning toast with a very special guest from the Real Housewives of Dallas.

We just found out not only is she a fellow Redhead, but she's also a fellow toaster, Miss Jen Davis.

Hello.

Thank you, girls.

I am, thank you for having this non-millennial redheaded toaster on your hot show because I felt like the old lady that like is into the young, but I'm like, I'm obsessed with your show.

Oh my God, that's so nice.

So nice of you.

So excited to have you.

Yes, we have a lot of questions for you because there has been,

so you're on the show a lot and it kind of the vibe, you know, we are housewives experts and the vibe that we kind of get is that you're at each event and it seems like almost you were cast as a housewife or something something feels confusing about your presence on the show because it's so much, but we also don't get any background on you.

So can you tell us a little bit about like where you're at with that?

Absolutely.

I

had some personal issues going on in my family and my nuclear family that I didn't want the public eye to see.

And so

I was grateful to film as much as I did and to be friend of this year.

And so, you know, that's what I can say is that, you know, grateful for that, that Bravo stuck by me through the, you know, the transition.

And yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And have you seen, there are, you know, pretty, and I'm sure it's difficult for you to, because it's so personal, but there are so many like crazy rumors being spread on Reddit and other types of platforms like that.

And I'm not sure if you read any of that stuff, but what are your thoughts on that?

Don't read them because someone told me once, yeah, don't don't get it, like, don't read, go down the rabbit hole.

Yeah.

But, I mean, what does it say?

Because I don't know.

Maybe I can answer your question.

Well, what I'll be very upfront.

What I saw, which I'm like, this is so crazy, was that like there was footage of you threatening to kill your husband.

So you

pulled out or something.

There was also saying that there was footage of like, you know, crazy drug den at your house.

Everyone was like doing drugs.

And so Bravo thought it best to not include.

That's what I read.

Right, right.

Oh, well, it's funny how rumors get started.

Well, there was stuff going on in our home

where my other half, you know, he went to rehab and, you know, everything just culminated while we were shooting.

And I'm very proud of him

for going to rehab and working on himself and you know

because it's his disease you know yeah and so I'm very proud of him of what happened and the you know so we're co-parenting nicely and

and and things are moving forward and I the house is for sale and

things just uh happened in a way that didn't surprise me and uh but it's okay you know I'm very grateful that the show was filming at the time it was a wonderful distraction Yes.

It was very empowering.

And I was very grateful for it.

I mean, sometimes you get in situations where you want to make something work so you don't have the courage to leave.

And I had the courage to be a single mom.

So I'm grateful for the experience.

That's great.

Timing is everything.

Timing is everything.

And I think that, I think it's a great outlook for you to be grateful for the show as being there for some sort of distraction.

Whereas I think some people might think of it as like an additional burden.

I did not think of it as a burden at all.

I thought of it as sort of an angel, like reason, season, lifetime.

If it only came in for this one period of my life to get me through that and give me the courage to stand on my own and

walk, you know, walk away, then that was enough.

I don't, I don't participate in that kind of stuff.

But yeah, that it was happening.

Wow.

Well, I honestly, I think it's very cool of you for being, you know, so open and upfront about it.

Cause like we said, people, you know, take a nugget of truth and turn it into like a big, you know, Reddit thread and all that.

So I think it's very cool of you to be so upfront about it.

And I'm curious, like, if, you know, now that things have settled and like you said, you guys are co-parenting and he's been to rehab, if being, you know, a full-time cast member on the show is something you'd be interested in.

I would definitely be interested in that.

I would love to do that.

You know, I would, it would be an honor.

So.

Yeah.

I think you would probably be great at it because you're being so transparent with.

probably something that's been very painful and dark for you.

And I think a lot of times what gets frustrating for us as viewers is like when you know someone is hiding something on housewives, which you really can't do, but you, you're, you know, not a full-time cast member yet and you're out here just like telling your truth.

Right.

Well, I mean, everyone struggles.

Like it's like the human condition.

And to try and lie about it or say, look, I've struggled with, I was dependent on alcohol for a really long time and I've been sober 10 years.

I just can't drink alcohol.

And so

being real and being open, I think is what it's the only way to be and authentic is because when you go through something, the reason you go through something is to help other people.

I mean, that in my opinion, that gives it worth.

Definitely.

That's such a great way to look at it.

Well, we see you a lot on this season of the show, but we don't know that much about you.

We didn't get, we weren't privy to your personal scene.

So, can you tell us a little bit about yourself?

How do you know Cam?

Like, what was your time like on the show?

What did you think of Tiffany's pizza party?

Was it as painful to watch as it was to be there?

It was.

Let me back up a little bit.

So, I know Cameron Westcott.

Her husband and I went to middle school and high school together.

Oh, wow.

And we live in a tight-knit community.

And so I've known her since she walked on the scene and he got twinkles in his eyes, literally.

And

just know her and her family.

And

so I know her through her husband.

We were high school friends.

And then,

so the, okay, at the cricket pizza party, it was so hot out, y'all.

I had my hair up and I was like, there was like this oven baking pizza and it was so hot.

There is one part, I'm watching it, and I go.

And it was right after she talked about pizza.

And I like swallowed like you do right before you throw up.

And I told the crew afterwards, I was like, I almost threw up.

It wasn't that, it was the heat and this, everything, but I almost barfed.

Strangely enough, I felt better after I ate, even like, it was the weirdest thing she was like hey y'all there's crickets in the pizza and i looked to the right and it was like one of those cartoons like where you don't see it and then you look back and like they're all looking at you it was the weirdest thing and we were so grossed out and i had this like film in my mouth like a slick it's like that like after you eat bologna

it's a sprinkle it's like it's a

and that was in my mouth but i suddenly after i ate i think i had blood low blood sugar because i didn't feel like barfing anymore but brandy did But it was intense.

Like we were like, don't, you can't do that.

It wasn't the best, funnest party, but she's trying.

She was trying.

Yeah, she was trying, A for effort.

And I didn't really think of,

in addition to all the elements of torture, the heat and the oven radiating the heat and the Dallas heat.

Like I never even thought of that.

Oh, I did because I almost, I was like looking for a place I could throw up.

And I was like,

And like, and it's just, and then I was so stressed.

That was a time in the filming where, you know, it it was just a lot was going on at the house that I was like, what is this?

Like,

and I, yeah, the heat.

And I'm so glad I didn't barf on camera.

But Brandon, you made it look really elegant.

Yeah.

No, she was really, really cute.

But now that you are filming with the ladies, who have you made the best friendships with in the group that we obviously don't get to see?

But who are you close with?

I'm close to Carrie Brittingham.

She was a pi-fi at SME with my sister.

And so there's like a big sister feel with her.

And I'm close to Cameron.

And those are my two, like my two buddies.

Oh.

I have a question for you.

And feel free not to answer, but just about your sobriety, because, you know, we've been talking a lot about in the last year, Bronwyn-Wyndon-Burke, you know, was openly, you know, trying to get sober while on the show.

And I know it's something that's really difficult to struggle with.

And housewives isn't always like the best, most healthy environment, seeing as how a lot of the women drink a lot.

And I'm curious if, you know, your 10 years into your sobriety, did you find it difficult at all with the women?

You know, Carrie Brunningham loves tequila, everyone loves to drink, going to the winery.

Well, I made it really clear early on.

I don't drink alcohol.

It doesn't work for me.

It's not fun for me.

I'll black out, act like a fool.

And it's just, I just don't do that.

And so early on, everyone got on board with what I do.

And that's like Oduel's, kombucha, water.

And they made sure that it was always readily available.

A lot of people look at these shows and they think, oh, they pump the girls full of alcohol.

They pump the girls full of whatever you you want they get like you you use your voice and they give you what you want if someone's drunk on the show it's because they want to be drunk if someone's not drunk on the show it's because they don't want to be drunk i mean they give you exactly what you want so i spoke up and i never had one situation where kombucha or oduls wasn't wasn't provided for me it's very kind that is nice that is nice to hear it is it was frustrating a few times um because you know as people are drinking they go into like a different dimension and they're kind of speaking the same language and you lose time a little bit when you're drinking like yeah two hours seems like a minute and so they would sometimes bond and go out afterwards and like I was done with work I was a single mom at the time and so I would go home so there was that little piece but it wasn't so bad that I felt completely disconnected that's good that's good yeah I think it's more of a conversation that's being had now within the housewives universe because there are a few Lala Lala Kent from Vanderprump Rules is sober James and so now it's becoming a more common thing and I think it's great and I think it's really cool of you to be so open with your story of sobriety and your journey with your husband.

And I just, I think you're awesome.

Me too.

I hope we get to see more of you on the show.

Yeah.

Fingers crossed.

And, you know, more will be revealed.

So keep watching.

Thank y'all so much, Jackie and Claudia.

Thank you.

I just, I'm so honored to be on the morning toast with y'all.

You are so sweet.

You keep killing it.

We will definitely see you.

I have a feeling next season as a full-time housewife.

Would love to know more about you and your kid.

Like, I would just love to see it all.

Oh, we're at Two Ring Circus.

And stay tuned every Tuesday, 9-8 Central on Bravo, Real Housewives of Dallas.

Yes.

Thank you guys so much for listening, and we'll see you tomorrow.

Bye.

Bye.