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So much happened this week.

There's a lot of housewives news, a lot of housewives news.

We're going to talk about, let's just talk about the Dorinda in the room.

Right.

We're going to talk about her firing.

It is a confirmed firing, by the way.

Confirmed.

According to Dale.

Page 6 is now saying it.

So we recorded our New York recap before this, where it was just Daily Mail reporting that she was fired, but now Page 6 is reporting it.

And I'm pretty sure it's a confirmed firing.

That's crazy.

So we talk about all of our thoughts on the episode and her departure in our TV recap segment.

We're also talking Beverly Hills, Potomac, everything you want to hear.

And then, of course, joined by the Queen herself.

Joined by the queen herself.

There is a lot of news, though, from the rest of the week that I look forward to getting into.

But on a personal note, how are you doing?

How is your inner peace going?

My journey to inner peace did take a couple hits this week.

I'm not going to lie.

There were a couple things that really set me off.

And what's so frustrating about the journey to inner peace is that to get there, it's so much work.

Like it is so long.

And once you get there, it can be.

taken from you in a matter of seconds.

Yeah.

So I had a few instances this week where my inner peace that I worked really, really hard to generate was taken from me.

One time, yes, it was taken from you by you.

Sorry.

No.

When you did my crossword.

Oh, fine.

I thought you were talking about the walk and I refused to let that be my fault.

So then the other like drama that we had this week was this hike that we took, which like I have been walking

multiple times a week here, just like trying to get my blood flowing.

And I do, I know my limits.

And that's the thing.

As you should, I know my body.

It's the blogger in me.

Like I'm always listening to my body.

Listen to your body.

And I always listen to my body and I know what my limits are.

And there's a certain hike trail here where I know where I can go and then when it's time to turn back.

It is technically like one big loop.

It's like a two and a half mile loop.

But I walk for 15 minutes into that trail and then I walk 15 minutes back.

Like that is my limit.

And we went on a hike and the group decided to do the whole thing like while we were already started.

And I wasn't going to be like the sad person who like turned around.

So I just agreed to it, even though I did protest saying that it was not going to.

be good, but no one listened to me.

And we ended up doing the whole trail and it was just a journey, like truly, emotionally, spiritually.

It was really fucking hard.

We totally underestimated.

We got like kind of lost.

Like it was, I tried to cut through.

Like it was such a non-peaceful journey for me that really shook up my inner chakra and totally like re dismantled my inner peace and my inner belief system in like in the world, honestly.

I'm sorry that that happened.

And Jackie was one of the people encouraging.

I just want you guys to know when everyone was like, I had already done the loop earlier in the day.

So I went on your guys's walk thinking you were going to do the 15 minute thing, which is the perfect cooldown.

Which is always my plan.

It's the perfect cooldown for me.

That's what I thought I was going to be a part of.

And when you guys were talking about doing the whole thing, I didn't want to encourage it, one, because that's like not really what I came to do.

But I didn't want to discourage it because just because I already went doesn't mean you guys shouldn't be more adventurous.

Okay, well, so I legit said nothing, and somehow I'm a co-conspirator.

Well, I don't know who to point the finger at because it all happened so fast, but all I know is that my inner peace was taken from me and has yet to return.

Has yet to return.

That's what I was going to ask you if you've found other forms of inner peace.

No, and we've been podcasting today, which is not peaceful, but it just doesn't bring me the inner peace that like my coloring in the nature does.

But do you think that after we finish podcasting, you'll find inner peace?

Because we, like, you'll feel rewarded, accomplish, accomplish, like, maybe, you know,

and then you'll really be able to relax.

Oh, no, well, tomorrow we have, like, a shit ton to do.

Yeah, so we'll see.

I'm thinking my inner peace might make a return around the weekend.

Yeah, maybe on Thursday.

You'll see some IP.

Maybe your IP address will return.

Maybe.

Well, Claudia, that's beautiful.

Thank you.

I hope you find what you're looking for.

So I think

there's nothing better than a peaceful Claudia.

It's so true.

And that's not me today.

I'm ready to fight.

And I hope you're...

Oh, we have some fighting to do today.

Do we?

Yeah, mostly with Jerry Seinfeld.

Oh!

I'm saving it for the last story so we can give all of our energies to it after we've covered the news because you guys.

You know, Jerry Seinfeld's a funny guy.

And, you know, I watch his stand-up and we have like the same shtick.

He doesn't like to leave his house, you know, all that stuff.

I never thought that I would disagree with him so wholeheartedly.

Like, he's not the man I thought he was.

No, and I really look forward to getting into and ripping his op-ed that he wrote about New York City.

If you haven't read it, don't waste your time.

It's literally 10 sentences long and it makes no fucking sense.

It actually doesn't take up that much time, but it's really good because at least for me, I saw his op-ed that what he was rebutting a different article that New York City is dead, which I hadn't heard of before, so I was able to click on it and it just spoke directly into.

No, obviously like the negative article really speaks to us and Jerry's like attempt at being positive with just like a lack of understanding of the world around him, really frustrating.

A lack of awareness and a lack of facts.

And the other guy was dropping facts, and like he didn't want to be saying what he was saying.

None of us want this to be the reality.

Nobody wants it to be the truth.

Nobody wants it to be the reality, but it's the reality.

I mean, we'll get to it.

People might not know what we're talking about.

Okay, we'll get to it.

There's drama.

There's so much drama, but without further ado, it is time to deliver the past five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast.

And by the way, I think I figured out actually what is really stopping my inner peace, and it's my RDH flare-ups.

Get it out, sis.

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Okay, first story, some extremely exciting news.

The reel adds Garcelle Bouveau as the newest co-host.

Wow.

Garcel has been named the newest co-host of The Real Variety Has Learned exclusively.

She is joining the syndicated talk show following the departure of Tamara Maori Housley, who announced earlier this summer that she had decided to exit the show after six seasons.

The seventh season of The Real kicks off on September 21st.

The panel will feature Garcelle, Lonnie Love, Janae Mai, and Adrienne Hawton.

I absolutely love Lonnie Love, but back to Garcelle.

What a fabulous cast.

We spoke about Tamara's departure, and we were like coming up with ideas of who we thought would be her replacement, and Garcelle did not cross my mind.

I couldn't have dreamed up a better.

And I love the surprise because, like, someone who I love who I didn't even think of.

She was right there in front of me.

She was right there in front of us.

This is obviously so exciting because we've come to know and love Garcelle from Housewives.

I'm curious.

I'm assuming she's going to stay on Housewives to have a housewife who's on like a nationally syndicated daily show

where she's probably going to have to talk about housewives.

I find it to be so interesting.

Oh, what I find interesting is that her schedule is so fucking busy.

She's already been in the middle of the day.

She was already too busy for Housewives.

Now a daily show and the like...

Being a host on one of these shows is non-stop.

It's like it airs so early.

You prepare all day, then you have one the next day.

Like it's so much work.

It's a full, full, full, full-time job, and it never stops.

Like, you're on all year except for hiatus.

So, I really don't know how she can feasibly do this and Housewives and all the other projects she was juggling that were already making it hard for her to be present on Housewives.

She already didn't go to Teddy's Retreat and didn't go here and didn't go there.

Right.

So, I want to believe that she can do it all, but I don't know.

And also, even if she can't do Housewives, say, like, because that just seems like so much.

I don't know how you do a show like The Real and then also produce and act and be in movies like she was doing on Housewives because what you like you said, this is a full, full, full time job.

Actually, you know, that's a really interesting point that I just like breezed over that you made before.

It's like, how can you be on a show?

I can't think of any housewife who's ever been on two TV, not scripted, two TV shows at once, housewives and like a talk show.

The only thing that's similar for me that I can think of is Portia and her radio show.

Oh, yeah.

And it really added so much drama to the show because she would say things on the radio show that she then has to answer for on Housewives.

But a lot of Housewives like go on The Real when they do their press.

That's interesting.

Yeah, and if they, I don't know if they recap some of the shows, but I do think it adds a layer of drama, which I just find so interesting.

But Garcelle put out a statement saying, I'm thrilled to be joining the dynamic, bold, and diverse women on the award-winning talk show, The Real.

My love for pop culture and news, blended with my natural gift of gab, has always made me gravitate towards a talk show environment.

It's also exciting that it's happening right after my amazing time joining the real housewives at Beverly Hills.

That sounds kind of final.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I can't.

I'm like loving her so much.

And we didn't, we've gotten none of her.

Like we barely.

Not enough.

And I feel like we really get to know her in her confessionals and they're so short.

And I feel like the reel would basically be like a long confessional for her.

Her confessionals are the best of Garcelle.

Finding out what she actually thinks of all the women, I live for it.

I'll be upset if this is the job that she took.

I mean, not upset, but I'll be disappointed if this she took this job instead of housewives, because I really don't see a world where someone can do both.

It would be a first unless she wipes her slate clean of all the other things.

Then she could, because also, housewives is seasonal.

That's true.

And so is

The Real, because they're not filming right now.

It's interesting.

I'll be very curious to see what happens.

I feel like she likes being a housewife.

I think so too.

She's a great housewife.

She had a great first season.

She didn't even have to get so involved and make enemies, but she has a great take on things.

And I think she could be a real staple and i could be a real housewife yeah and they don't want to see i'm not ready for her journey to be over so i hope that it's not final even though it sounds like that i hope that it's not final i love this casting like who whoever's whose eyea this was like needs a promotion fabulous selection can't wait to watch and i like there was a lot of hype about who would fill the role and like i feel like the hype like my expectations were met yeah no i totally

no it met exceeded i'm here for it i'm so excited same congrats carcell You deserve it.

And congrats to The Real.

I'm just like having an amazing hope.

Panel now, yeah.

Well, they always did, but you know what I mean.

Okay, next story.

So exciting.

A little happy baby news.

Leah Michelle gives birth to her son with her husband, Zandy Reich.

Leah Michelle has given birth to her first child.

People report sources told people that the Glee star and her husband welcomed a baby boy on August 20th.

Quote, everyone's happy and healthy, and they're extremely grateful.

They quote an insider

stating about the couple.

I literally turned to you you like a few days ago.

I was like, has Lee and Michelle been pregnant for six years or what?

And I feel like this baby's over too.

Really?

I feel like we just announced she was pregnant.

Oh my God, no.

I feel like I've been seeing like her Instagram baby bump pics like forever.

Maybe because I don't follow her.

Oh, I do.

That I don't feel inundated by it.

She's been real quiet.

And, you know, going through a cancellation, whatever your thoughts on Lee and Michelle are, is very stressful.

And being pregnant is obviously not ideal.

So I'm glad that baby's healthy and everyone's good because that's truly all that matters.

Truly all that matters.

I'm very happy for her and her family.

It's an exciting time.

It is.

I mean, you know, now the gleek in me is like, you know, would she and Corey have had a baby?

But you can't go down that road.

It's too dark.

No, and every, you know, she's,

she's found her peace, you know?

And you know what?

As someone constantly searching for my peace, I'm happy for her.

Yes.

That's all you can hope for someone is for them to find their inner peace.

So true.

So true.

Okay, next up, Paris Hilton opens up about the secret, terrifying abuse she suffered as a teen.

Paris has been in the news a lot because she has a new documentary, This Is Paris, premiering September 14th on her YouTube channel.

I think it's like a YouTube original.

I'm so excited.

Me too.

They've actually been selecting great people to do those YouTube documentaries with.

I completely agree.

I find her to be so interesting, fabulous.

A close personal friend of yours.

Oh, of course.

Yes, that's why we love her.

And I just love a good documentary.

And I also feel like she could write a memoir soon.

Well, it's like, remember The American Meme?

That was like a documentary about her.

and honestly i wanted more every time i get like a

some sort of video about her or her life and you just see her in a different light than the one that she's always in yeah it's so interesting she's so interesting and smart even when she's on kardashians yes that's the thing that's so um why people i think are obsessed with her it's like obviously everyone knows power sultan party girl heiress all that stuff but she's actually like so smart and that's what i think people um really liked about the american meme and now i think that this is like a a way more in-depth.

And I think the YouTube documentary space is the perfect place for her.

Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of like Jessica Simpson's memoir.

It's very similar.

Like she also is so smart.

That's not what you would think of when you first think of her.

Right.

But when you take the time to hear her story and listen to her, you're like, oh, this person is so smart.

Right.

And think about it.

Jessica Simpson has a billion-dollar brand, as does Paris Sultanate.

They're very, very similar, but they get stuck into this like dumb blonde bubble.

Bubbles.

Yeah, no, and it's so offensive.

It's so offensive.

It's so simplistic.

It's so simplistic, but back to the story.

story.

Okay.

In her new documentary, The Entrepreneur and Reality Star reveals for the first time the horrific abuse she says she endured as a teen while at boarding school in Utah.

Quote, I buried my truth for so long, Hilton tells people exclusively, of the mental, emotional, and physical pain she says she underwent while at Provo Canyon School in the late 90s.

Quote, but I'm proud of the strong woman I've become.

People might assume everything in my life came easy to me, but I want to show the world who I truly am.

Years before she became a household name on The Simple Life in in 2003, Hilton was a teen living in New York City's famed Waldorf Astoria Hotel with her parents, Rick and Kathy Hilton, and her younger siblings.

Crazy.

Also, is the Waldorf ever going to open back up?

Oh, no.

They like closed for renovations like five years ago and they said, Hi, we're closing for a full year.

No one can stay here.

Like, literally, Obama used to stay there.

And then they were like, Sorry, you can't stay.

Yeah.

No one, the whole, and it takes, it's a hotel that takes up an entire city block and they never reopen.

No, but like, I believe they must have plans to reopen because I haven't read anything that was like, they're not reopening, but it's been legit five years.

Totally.

That's a very strange.

I'm glad you brought that up.

She said, along with the privileges of her big city life, came big temptations.

Quote, it was so easy to sneak out and go to clubs and parties.

My parents were so strict that it made me want to rebel.

They'd punish me by taking away my cell phone, taking away my credit card, but it didn't work.

I would still go out on my own.

Wait, literally, like.

We are all Paris Hilton.

We are all Paris Hilton.

Getting your phone taken away.

Oh, that was such a dark time when that happened.

But that's like a real and good punishment.

Like, I learned my lesson when my phone got taken away.

Bachelor, learn your lesson.

So, she's been teasing this YouTube series on her Instagram, and they've been promoting it a lot.

And there's like this big announcement, like something she's going to reveal.

And she's been kind of hyping up the series with this kind of bombshell.

And I guess that this is it.

Yeah, she says that eventually her parents were fed up and made the decision to send their then 17-year-old daughter to a series of boarding schools that claimed to focus on behavioral and mental development, the last of which was Provo Canyon School, where she would stay for 11 months.

Almost immediately after she arrived, quote, I knew it was going to be worse than anywhere else.

The abuse she faced, she says, took place on a daily basis.

Quote, it was supposed to be a school, but classes were not the focus at all.

From the moment I woke up until I went to bed, it was all day screaming in my face, yelling at me, continuous torture.

When people reached out to the school for comment, they responded, originally opened in 1971, Provo Canyon School was sold by its previous ownership in August 2000.

We therefore cannot comment on operations or patient experience prior to this time.

Patient?

Oh, that's so true.

Students.

Yeah, that's so interesting.

That's also crazy that the school is still technically open.

Yeah.

Not for long.

She said the staff would say terrible things.

They were constantly making me feel bad about myself and bully me.

I think it was their goal to break us down, and they were physically abusive, hitting and strangling us.

They wanted to instill fear in the kids so we'd be too scared to disobey them.

Three of her former teen classmates also appear in the documentary, making similar allegations about the school, including that they were often force-fed medication and held down by restraints as punishments.

Oh my god.

By the way, this is not a school.

No, she said one of her classmates told staff that Hilton had plans to run away.

She said she was placed in solitary confinement.

They would use that as punishment sometimes 20 hours a day.

Oh man, that's what they do in prison.

That is so crazy.

Crazy.

See, that's the thing about Paris Hilton.

She's so multifaceted.

Like, she tells you one thing and then she has this whole story on the other side.

Oh my gosh.

I had seen like the

Instagram headlines that Paris Hilton, you know, was opening up in her documentary about like abuse that she suffered as a child this is just on an entirely other level so she stayed there for a lot I mean the documentary comes out in September so we don't know everything yet but I'm curious to know did she tell her parents and they took her out she said um attempts to tell her parents about the conditions at the school were fruitless I didn't really get to speak to my family maybe once every two or three months we were cut off from the outside world and when I tried to tell them once I got in so much trouble I was scared to say it again they would grab the phone or rip up letters I wrote telling me no one is going to believe you And the staff would tell the parents that the kids were lying.

So my parents had no idea what was going on.

Oh my god, that's crazy.

I mean, to me, it's like one of the most fucked up things in the world is like when you hand your child over to someone, like whether it's a camp or a school, like a teacher, and something terrible happens.

Like to me, that's just like so, I can't even imagine being a parent and having had that happen.

This is so sad.

That's so sad.

Actually, that's something that we talked about in the last Redheads episode because it's an instance of sexual abuse at a boarding school.

And it's like, not only are these institutions in place to like protect children, but when something does go completely and utterly wrong, when the institution itself completely fails the children again by letting it go, you know, unpunished or, you know, letting it happen again and again.

USA Gymnastics, hello.

Right.

It's like, it's like when these institutions are not only created to protect children, not only when they do the opposite and then they literally get no justice, like it's so fucked up.

Like those are the stories that like make my blood boil.

Yeah, it's it's so and not to mention that this quote-unquote school was probably like a hundred thousand dollars a year right so that's what you're paying for right that's terrible oh my god and how interesting i wonder if she still keeps are any of the classmates like famous or uh it doesn't say but we'll we'll hear from them in the documentary that's so interesting i mean i never went to like a boarding school or like a military school but i've always been fascinated maybe it's like the zoe 101 in me i'm just like yeah i think there's a I think there's a difference between boarding school.

This is a behavioral school.

They even call,

they literally call the student a patient.

That's by the way.

That's crazy.

This is probably more similar to a military type school.

But even military schools, like regular ass military schools, aren't like this.

Like they're like the military.

Yeah, they're strict.

Yes.

But this is abusive.

Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, really crazy, really sad.

But I look forward to hearing more of her story in the documentary and always getting like a more well-rounded picture of a person who I admire.

Right.

And, you know, she's had such an interesting life.

And the more more we learn about her through like these types of documentaries, it actually makes sense

how and why she ended up here and like why she was a party girl.

Like she was rebelling, you know, and she was out every night when she was 21, which we consider like the golden age of like paparazzi pictures, like her and Britney Spears in the car, you know.

But it's like, it was very much a reaction to things that had happened in her life.

I don't know.

I just like, I just, I'm obsessed with her.

Yeah, no, obsessed with her as well.

And I think a YouTube documentary is really the perfect format to hear her story.

She's had such a long career, even just reading that The Simple Life was in 2003.

Like, we're almost 20 years out.

Wow, 2003.

I mean, it's not shocking if you ever, if you've recently watched it, it looks like it's from the 70s.

It's so blurry.

I know, but the like jokes and the one-liners, I mean,

like, Walmart.

They literally just posted something from Simple Life.

No, that, their content will never not be evergreen.

Like, it's relatable no matter what time we're living in.

Sema song, semesang.

But it is really crazy if you think about how long she's been around and at the top of her game.

Like, I would still consider her one of the biggest celebrities in the world.

And I thought that even when she was 17.

Yeah, for sure.

So I hope Kim makes an appearance in the documentary.

Oh, I mean, their friendship is also another reason why she's so interesting.

It's like when you think about all the important pop culture moments, like in the last 20 years, Paris Hilton has really been a part of them.

And you can't say that without the Kardashians.

No, you can't.

She also said in a recent interview, Paris said that she decided to freeze

her eggs because Kim inspired her to.

No way.

Yeah, she said she introduced me to her doctorate, and I was so inspired by her to actually do it.

I think every woman should do it because you can really control it and not have that, oh my god, I need to get married.

See, I love their friendship.

Love it.

Like those.

Loves it.

Loves it.

It's just, you know what it is?

It's hot.

It's so hot.

So hot.

So hot.

I just, I will, I love reporting on stories on her just because she's a fabulous, interesting gal and a good time.

Yeah, totally agree.

Well, we'll keep you posted when we watch a documentary.

It will be very interesting.

Except YouTube documentaries, sometimes they release them episodically.

Is it a series?

Like the depth.

Okay, there's a chance it's like a two-hour documentary and it's just like a one-time thing.

That's what the Demi Lovato one was.

And that one was really good.

You guys, Theo.

Sorry, Theo's like scratching the bed.

He wants to be doing it.

What is he doing?

Oh my god, he's he's being immense.

Oh my god, he's fucking working.

He's being crazy.

Hi, Theo.

Is everything okay?

You know, honestly, I feel like he's feeling neglected.

Okay, he's calm down.

Okay.

So, yes, Demi Lovato's was a two-hour documentary, but Justin Bieber's was like a TV show and they released episodes like every week.

Or Theo's trying to say, like, he loves Paris because she's so, she's such an animal rights activist yeah and he's actually seen her dog's um playhouse on instagram and he's jealous and he's like mom why won't you build me that why won't you build him that i'm like theo let me podcast so i can make some money to buy you a house right so stop running a muck little man yeah um so i don't know if it's a series or a show uh movie but i will 100 be watching this definitely sane it's nice to have something to watch these days actually i'm gonna start yellowstone oh my god yay Yeah, because you've been bothering me about it.

And then Kelly Clarkson was on Twitter talking about how she loves it.

So like.

She would love it.

It's so fucking good I hope I've inspired some others to watch yellowstone I'm a little behind I'm actually in the um shit what's the name of the group there's a obviously a group for ranch toasters um oh ranch toasters and I'm in it and I've been like trying not to look at it because there's like spoilers I'm a few episodes behind because I haven't been watching here but I look forward to catching up um also things we're catching up on I just wanted to mention that I started the um finding freedom harry and megan

so when we went to Walmart if you watched our Patreon I bought that book spoiler alert spoiler alert I've been looking for like a a celebrity book to read, but there aren't a bunch on the market right now.

So it was either that or Demi Moore's book.

And I went with Finding Freedom.

I just wanted to know, like...

I actually think that you made the wrong choice.

Well, no, I disagree because I now want to talk about it.

And I have something to say on the podcast.

So for that, it's worth it.

But let me just, let me, because you want to know why.

We spoke about it and we were like, is this propaganda or is this like a true story?

And they say in the book, the crown is not allowed to give official like seals of approval to biographies or books written about them.

But just know that like we are very, they basically said Megan gave us the approval, even though she really can't.

And they're doing it.

And she probably did.

Of course.

No, they're not lying.

But

in the hardest way ever, they are trying to make this entire story

seem so happenstance.

It's like, and Megan just happened to be here and she happened to fall into Harry's lap.

Like it's, but

what they're not realizing is they're actually making it.

They're giving gravitas to the people who think that like Megan Markle's so calculated and like she fought her way to get to Harry and it was all a plan that she wanted to destroy the crown.

Like they're, they're not realizing that they're actually making her out to be like quite calculated.

Like she just, when she took this trip to London, that's where I'm at when they met.

It's like she did everything in her power to meet powerful people.

And it's like, and then she had lunch with this person.

And that's when she had lunch with Pierce Morgan and lunch with this.

And then dinner, and they were describing these people.

Royal started Soho House, like all these like fancy, famous people.

And then she got the date with Harry.

And it was just like.

it's not happenstance, but they're trying to make it seem like it's this whimsical journey.

Right.

But it's not.

And part of the book that really bothers me is they just act like everything she does is like heaven.

Like, okay, ready?

So they're trying to show how she's always been philanthropic and like philanthropy has always been like a really core part of her

childhood.

And they just go on and on about how when she was in a sorority, you know, she did a dance-a-thon and she was always, you know, using her sorority for charity.

And I'm like, literally every girl in the world has done a dance-a-thon for her.

That's what a sorority is.

It has to be philanthropic.

They all have a philanthropic arm.

No, so they were just making it seem like...

That's so crazy.

Yeah, it's like when you've had your resume and you're like...

Yes.

Oh my God.

That's crazy.

So they were just like stretching so hard.

I don't know.

I mean, I'm only like 30 pages into the book.

I do like it just because, see, I don't really know Megan, and there's like this divide.

People are like, is she calculated la la la, or did all this happen to a nice girl?

And like, is it all whimsical fairy tale?

And while the book is kind of making me feel like it's somewhere in the middle, I do feel like she has that Markle sparkle

because even when they talk about her career, like she was not, even at the height of her career before Harry, like suits, like, okay, she had a supporting role on a cable cable show, not even like a good cable network, USA.

But she just like kept getting places and meeting these people, and because people were like taken by her, you know, she had that sparkle.

And that's what's interesting.

It's like, was she the most talented actress in the world?

No, but she was really one of the most beautiful.

And she just had this like charisma about her that all these like famous people like wanted to be her friend even before, like, even when she became friends with Serena Williams, they just like met at a Super Bowl party.

Like, she had something, and that's interesting.

And je na sequoi.

Yeah, and that can't be replicated.

No, that is so important.

Actually, it reminds me of this month's Redheads book because the main character, Kate and Brightside, she has that.

It has a,

you feel you're a better, smarter, more interesting, happier, funnier person around her.

Right, and that's what I'm getting from the book is that she had that Markle sparkle in her eye.

Yeah, okay, it's officially the Markle Sparkle.

Yeah, but it's, I, but I do think it's a little bit of both.

I think the way people feel about Megan Markle on both sides, like, there's truths in all of it.

I see it.

And I think it's also interesting knowing that she gave the green light for this book and that she probably told them everything that's written in it.

Oh, I mean, therefore, you have to take it with the green of salt, but it is interesting to hear how she wants to be perceived.

Exactly.

And wait, by the way, giving her seal of approval.

Like,

they say, like, Megan can't officially give her seal of approval, but they literally have direct quotes from her and Harry sitting in their bedroom five years ago.

You know what I mean?

Like, what?

How did you know that?

Oh, my God, that's crazy.

A one friend recounted about something that literally happened 10 years ago.

Like, who the fuck knows that?

It's just very specific.

The book is really like a compilation of quotes.

Oh my god, that is so crazy!

Quotes!

Yeah, and they love to do yoga in the morning.

I think I'm gonna read it after you.

Yeah, no, it's it's cute.

If you finish it by next week's episode, or the week after, okay, an episode while we're here, yeah, then I'll read it right after you can recap it together.

Yeah, it's just um, even if it's like full of lies, it's like a beautiful fairy tale.

No, sometimes it's interesting, like what lies people want to be told.

And I think what's interesting is just like all the famous, influential people who got her to Harry.

Yeah, like who are these people?

Also, it's like, if you look at the book through another lens, it really is like a chiclet, like, fan, like, exciting.

It's a romance book about a girl.

We just, we read a book like that for the Redheads.

It's fiction.

Yeah.

It's good.

I like it.

That's so funny.

Okay, cool.

Next story: big story of the week.

Lori Lachlan and her husband, Masimo Giannouli, get prison time in the college admission scandal.

Actress Lori Lachlan will serve two months in prison, and her husband, fashion designer, Masimo Giannouli, will serve five months after the couple pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in the college admission scandal.

A federal judge on Friday accepted plea deals from the famous couple in a video sentencing hearing.

After initially vowing to fight the charges, Lachlan and Giannouli reversed course after a judge denied their motion to dismiss the case in May.

Prosecutors said the couple paid $500,000 to secure their daughter's admission to USC by masquerading them as fake athletic recruits.

I mean, I can't believe like this saga has ended, you know, like for the most part, like she still has to serve her sentence, but the trial is over technically for her and for Felicity.

I feel like this is a light sentence.

I feel like the prison that Felicity Huffman went to and the type of facility that Lori Lachlan is going to go to are not like maximum security federal prisons.

Like, she'll be fine.

I just think it's crazy that, like, one, they actually got sentenced.

And like, two, like, she's actually going to jail.

Like, when Felicity Huffman went to jail, I was like, this is so crazy.

And Lori Lachlan pled not guilty and they did all these things to delay it.

And I really thought that all that legal, you know, maneuvering was actually going to get her no prison time.

Yeah.

On the one hand, it does seem like a short sentence, but on the other hand, at one point, I actually thought she might evade prison completely because they were pleading not guilty.

I thought that they might find a loophole.

And so with coronavirus, like people who are in prison are getting out.

So I thought that maybe they would get off sort of scot-free, but to hear that they're doing time and it's five months for Massimo, two months for her.

I wonder if it's going to be like Teresa and Joe, like they serve at the same time, because they don't have kids who are like under 18, so I think they can actually serve at the same time.

Yeah, I think it's probably better to serve at the same time.

Well, yeah, it gets over, like Teresa and Joe's thing lasted four years because they did back-to-back because their kids are so young.

Yeah, but then it's also good for them that they didn't have to go at the same time because then their kids would have had no one at home for the two years.

But it does drag it on.

Yeah, each scenario is different.

We'll keep you guys posted on when they are called.

They also had like $150,000 fine, which is like nothing to them.

She'll be fine.

Yeah, and I'm sure some part of them is happy to put this chapter behind them.

Then they'll serve their time.

And this is just getting everyone closer to closing the book on this really crazy big story.

Cultural moment.

Whenever I hear updates in this, I always think, How much closer are we to Olivia Jade bringing back her YouTube channel?

You know, and I think this brings us closer.

She's back.

No, she like brought it back and did a video and then was never going to be able to do it.

She did a few videos.

She did something I bought a bronzer from.

She did a bunch of videos.

She did like two.

She was on TikTok with her mans.

Yes, but she hasn't been like consistently influencing since all this went down.

Yeah, I'm sure

she wanted to.

It's been eight months.

I actually think that now that the legal portion is over, she will come back in a more permanent way.

Because I'm sure it was annoying for her and annoying for her fans for her to not talk about the thing that's going on in her life.

Of course.

And she did mention in one video how she like can't talk about it.

But she did come back eight months ago, dropped two videos, and was never to be seen from again.

Interesting.

Okay, I do.

You're right.

Maybe there will be some word from her now.

Maybe.

I don't know.

I feel like in so many, it's so crazy because it's like, it really has nothing to do with her because it's about her mom, but it was like her going to college, you know?

Yeah.

So it is about her.

I wonder if she like had to go to court or anything.

I don't think so.

I don't think so because everything in that case was really public.

So we would have seen her go to court.

I mean, to me, like the most confusing and unanswered part of this whole College and Mitches scandal is what happened to William H.

Macy.

Felicity Huffman's husband didn't get charged, didn't go to jail.

She took it all.

He probably wasn't on the emails.

Maybe.

I mean, like, that's just a crazy coincidence.

Yeah, like maybe he used her computer.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like he was just kind of left out of the whole thing.

There are those paparazzi pictures of him like meeting her at court once, and he looked like sofa clumped.

But other than that, he's been excluded from the narrative.

Yeah.

I'm sure he's glad for it.

Totally.

Okay.

Next up, Jerry Seinfeld has written an op-ed in the New York Times saying, So so you think New York is dead?

Parentheses, it's not.

Jerry is responding to a LinkedIn article.

Post.

Toast article.

Who knew things could go viral on LinkedIn?

Yeah, from a man named James Altuler.

It's called New York City is Dead Forever.

Here's Why.

So I first read Jerry Seinfeld's article, really short, really not thought out at all, just like his opinion that New York City will always be New York City because the argument that things are going to become remote, you're going going to be working virtually, doesn't work.

Look at Silicon Valley.

They could do things virtually, but

they choose to all be together because you can't, you know, let me get here.

You can't mimic that type of, you know, interpersonal communication remotely.

Here's a quote from Jerry.

You know why you can't do all that?

You know, because

you know why?

There's no energy, says Jerry.

Quote, energy, attitude, and personality cannot be remoted through even the best fiber optic lines.

That's the whole reason many of us moved to New York in the first place.

You ever wonder why Silicon Valley even exists?

I have always wondered, why do these people all live and work in that location?

They have all this insane technology.

Why don't they all just spread out wherever they want to be and connect with their devices?

Because it doesn't work.

That's why.

Oh man, what a bad analogy.

Like, I really don't want to rip into Jerry Seinfeld because he's a nice guy who means well.

But like, first of all, Jerry, this article,

your privilege is showing.

Like, I can't.

Like, to, first of all, to compare what his experience living in New York the last eight months is like, to compare it to anyone else's is just so outrageous.

We all know celebrities live in this bubble, but Jerry is a part of a very elite group of celebrities who are mega-rich.

Like, just because you're a celebrity, you have a couple million dollars, like, that doesn't make mean you're like rich, rich, rich.

He is one of the people.

One rich forever.

Yeah, he is one of those celebrities.

His show, Seinfeld, like he made $500 million.

He will never have to work again.

He makes $60 million for a Netflix special that's an hour.

Like, he is on another planet of wealth.

So, to even compare or even try and relate to what people in New York have been going through who like live in rentals and don't have $500 million in the bank is borderline insulting.

And him making fun of people who have gone to Florida or Tennessee or anywhere else in the country, you know, saying they're pastel-filled lives.

Like what he doesn't realize is what you pay for in New York City is the experience of the city.

There's absolutely none of that.

When you're a person living in a one-bedroom apartment with your family and you're paying this premium to live in a city that no longer exists in the way it once did, you would be a fool not to leave.

No, and to dismiss people who have left as like not real New Yorkers and people who like gave up on New York, it's like, no, actually, Jerry, these people have kids and lives and bills to pay, and it's not feasible to live in New York and it's not enjoyable anymore.

I don't know if, Jerry, you've stepped out of your $50 million apartment to see what's going on in the street.

I've been in hand scenes this entire time.

Of course.

Oh my God, like, of course.

But like, to

this whole article lacked a real understanding and just kind of dismissed what people are going through in New York.

And it's like, it's impossible financially to live in New York.

The taxes are going to go up.

The city is just insane.

It is so filthy.

There's public urination everywhere.

There's so much crime.

You can't leave your house after dark.

Like, we're not being dramatic.

This is the reality of what's going on in New York right now as a result of all the shit that's gone on in the world.

And it's nobody's fault, but don't deny it and say it's not happening.

Right.

And to act like we should stay here because there's this energy that can't be replicated.

No, second-tier cities or tier two cities, whatever, they're going to replicate this sort of energy.

A place where you can live and have a yard and be able to go outside and be private you can't go outside in New York City the mayor just said that he's not going to open up indoor dining until 2021 you that means you once it gets cold outside there will be no restaurants like there is absolutely and he makes it Jerry is saying that this writer is just upset he can't go to the theater this writer owns a stand-up comedy club where he can't make a living make a living and he even said that he tried to he did a social distanced um comedy night and they got shut down so what is a person like this supposed to do and Jerry Seinfeld I'm sure now it's like yeah you your comedy special is virtual.

I'm sure you do Zoom fundraisers.

Like I'm sure you're living large.

But if you're a comedian who hasn't made it yet and you rely on, you know, open mic nights and doing stand-up comedy and there's absolutely been none of that for the last six months, how are you making any money?

You have to move.

Like, and you have to move.

So this article basically was so short and weird and it just really dismissed the concerns of a lot of working people who are struggling right now.

And just hearing it come out of Jerry Seinfeld's mouth, I think was meant to be inspirational, but just came off so elitist and like, Jerry, you have no idea what's going on in the world.

And when I first saw the headline for the article, I was kind of relieved.

I was like, oh, wait, New York City's not dead?

Okay, cool.

Let me show you.

I want to hear why.

That's exciting because it's really fucking sad to know that you live in a place that's not going to come back for at least

being generous for at least five years.

And that's me being

like

kind.

Kind.

So I read his articles, probably 15, 20 sentences of pretty much nothing, no facts.

I clicked on the article of the one of the guy he's rebutting, the guy he called a putz.

The article is so in-depth using stats.

Did you know that according to Yelp, 60% of restaurants in the United States have closed?

Wow, that's terrible.

Jerry, what do you have to say about that?

What do you say to restaurateurs and people who are working in the service industry who have lost their jobs?

You know, Jerry's article was not rooted in fact.

It was rooted in feeling.

It was his emotion.

I don't care how much you love New York.

It fucking sucks.

Yeah, no, and that's not a political statement.

It's just the truth.

And you know what?

When I first read Jerry's article, I was like, okay, I disagree that New York sucks right now but i agree with you that it can come back because i we've been saying like new york is dead but it's not going to be dead forever new york always bounces back but when i clicked through to the other article this guy had written he completely convinced me it's not coming back every he right in he wrote in his linkedin piece he said now it's completely dead quote but nyc always always bounces back no not this time but nyc is the center of the financial universe opportunities will flourish here again not this time nyc has experienced worse no it hasn't So he talks about how all of these things, New York City has experienced worse when crime was really bad or when there was a war going on.

But at that time, there was still business and opportunity and things happening in the city, culture.

And now there's none of that.

Wall Street doesn't need to be on Wall Street.

The culture, the food that people would have moved to the city for, there's no restaurants open.

No.

The article, the original article says that three of the most important reasons people move to New York City are business opportunities, which now are completely virtual, remote, can be done from anywhere.

Culture, which no longer exists.

There is no theater.

They don't have plans to bring back Broadway until 2021.

And even when they do, it's going to operate at less than 50% capacity.

What theater can make money and stay in business under those terms?

In New York, which is such an expensive place to own a business.

Right.

How are you going to pay your performers when

you haven't had shows in by then?

It will be, what, 10 months?

Yeah.

And you're operating, let's say, 50%.

It's such a tough industry to begin with.

Yeah, no, no, and also the third thing that people move to New York City for is the food, which without restaurants, right?

It's just roach-infested kitchens.

Just, I don't know what, I think Jerry was trying to be like hopeful and aspirational, and he just came off like completely tone-deaf and unrelatable.

And, like, just the dismissive nature of his words towards people who are just doing what they think is best for their families and for their financial freedom and in order to survive.

It just felt so

tone-deaf.

That's the perfect word for it.

And the article to me, it felt really cruel.

Like, first of all, this guy who wrote it, I've never heard of him.

He's a former hedge fund manager.

Jerry opens his piece by calling him some putz who

he said some puts on LinkedIn wailing and whimpering.

Everyone's gone.

I want 2019 back.

And then there's like the New York Post writes an article saying Jerry Seinfeld

rips writer behind viral New York City is dead forever essay.

I'm sorry, he didn't rip a thing.

If anything, he made this writer's article more compelling.

Yeah, to be honest, I'm curious what actual New Yorkers think because I saw the media pick up Jerry's thing, like, Jerry annihilates poor LinkedIn, man.

And honestly, I read both articles and I thought the exact opposite.

Like, I thought his was well thought out and Jerry's was just like a bunch of notes in his phone.

I'd be curious to hear what actual New Yorkers think.

Speaking of what do real New Yorkers think?

We are.

Real New Yorkers.

Yes.

Claudia and I were just talking about this.

Not only have we been in the city the entire time, this was our first time leaving, but as much as we're self-hating New Yorkers, we've lived in the city city for 10 years.

We grew up on Long Island.

I went to college upstate.

I have touched every corner of this great state.

We all went to college in New York, and we are true New Yorkers.

We are true New Yorkers.

I've been in every corner of this great state enough to tell you that state ain't great.

No, no.

No, and that gives you the right

to criticize it.

And certainly the city ain't great.

Actually, the rest of the state seems to be doing all right.

Yeah, because we haven't been there.

But I just think like the whole article really wrapped up what we started talking about at the beginning of quarantine, where it's like celebrity voices right now are just so unnecessary, and they're really highlighting like how celebrities live in a different world.

And Jerry's article did just that.

A hundred percent.

I completely forgot about that part of quarantine where celebrities just became like irrelevant human beings roaming the earth who were accustomed to living on a different planet.

And now we're like down here with the rest of us, and we don't want to hear from you.

But that's exactly how I feel right now.

I don't feel comfort, solace, relatability from any celebrity right now, especially not those, not someone who has a three-foot parking garage garage on the Upper West Side and is telling me that New York is a great place to be.

And who has most likely been in the Hamptons the entire time the entire time or some country house that he owns.

I just, it really put a bad taste in my mouth for Seinfeld.

Sorry, Jerry.

It put a really bad taste in my mouth too.

And like I was looking on Twitter to see what other people were saying.

And obviously like the first tweets that come up are like from verified people who are trying to find like profound quotes.

You know, like when they tweet, the text of the tweet is like a quote from the article that's meant to be profound, but it's nonsense.

And then the article, like, Jerry hit the nail on the ground.

Right.

Well, that's the other thing.

It's like, I'm no English major, but I know that this is not well written.

And it was so short.

No, it was so short.

And it's like, if you want to come for this guy who wrote a really fucking, it was really long.

It took me a long time to read it.

We were like waiting to go on a walk.

I was like, wait, I got to finish.

Yeah.

What's his name?

James.

I got to finish James' article.

Yeah.

If you want to come for an article like this, go point for point.

Yeah.

Point for point.

But he was just fighting facts with like the way that he feels.

Tell me how, if even though only 40% of restaurants in the U.S.

are under operation and New York City is a cultural center for food, tell me how that that is not impacted.

No, and how the city is still great.

And how business owners, restaurant owners are supposed to stay here.

Yeah, what are we supposed to do?

No, it makes no sense.

It makes no sense.

Sorry, Jerry.

This is not it.

Sorry if you read Jerry's op-ed and you felt moved by it in any way.

It's not rooted in fact.

It's lovely, this idea.

Oh, we'll come back.

Share, share, share.

But look, can we be real for a minute?

Because that's not how it seems.

No, that's not how it seems.

And there's not one plan, not one even idea of a plan in place to help New York come back just to continue this tumble into despair.

So it's actually only going to get worse, Gerald.

And I hope you enjoy the Hamptons while it does.

Yes, do let me know how the weather is out there.

Let's move on.

Is that our final story?

That is our final story.

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Jacket, ooh, she spelled your name J-A-Q.

Ooh, Jacques.

Are you Luann's fiancé?

Jacques.

Jacques and Claude.

I hope you are enjoying your well-deserved time off.

I have a quick and we are, thank you.

Yeah, we really are.

Thanks.

I have a quick and dirty, dear toasters.

Today I had a Zoom meeting with my co-worker who I have a great relationship with.

We always talk about non-work when we do connect, and we are really close.

She's a fellow female leader at a huge software company I work for.

Anyway, I had my iMessages pulled up on my computer and was clicked on the messages with my husband.

I had just sent a boob picture to him.

He was gone for a couple days.

Honestly, not super slutty, just laying on the couch when it was fucking hot without a shirt on, and my boobs are nothing to write home about.

Anyway, you know where this goes.

I shared my screen on the Zoom and did not click out of iMessage, so she maybe saw the pic for 10 seconds.

I'm shook.

We both didn't mention it and just moved on, but oh my god, I have the worst pit.

Do I text her and apologize?

Oh, please help.

Thank you.

An embarrassed toaster.

Oh my God.

See, this is why I don't have a job, and this is why I don't take titty pics.

This is why I don't put iMessage on my computer.

This is why, because you know what?

I'm sure it's really fucking convenient.

Claudia does it.

Our whole thing is.

She does it.

I love it.

You guys write in the chat sending links furiously.

When I need to send a link, I need to send it from my computer to my email and add it to my iMessage on my phone.

And yes, it's annoying, and I would love to have iMessage on my computer.

You're missing out.

But this is the, thank you for reminding me.

If I almost slipped up and added it, thank you for reminding me why I don't.

You're missing out.

It's such a fabulous game.

Okay, so the price to pay is your coworkers seeing your drugs yeah i mean screen sharing is a huge responsibility and i never do it right and if i were the once in my lifetime that i will share my screen like every app will be cleared force quitted and there will only be the one up on the page and maybe you share your screen too often so like you forgot what a big burden it is it's such a burden but and i'm not i'm not saying like you should have done this or you should have done that you know what i'm sure like people share their screens all the time and people have iMessage on their computers all the time and people send their tits all the time and it's not all the time that this happens and I'm honestly really sorry that it did.

I think you gotta pretend like it didn't.

Yeah, no, I think in terms of this actual situation, it's terrible that it happened, but you've moved on.

No one ignored it.

Just keep, just keep ignoring it.

Yeah, and like obviously she definitely saw it.

She's writing into her podcast that she likes saying, I saw my coworkers tits.

What do I do?

Do I say something?

I wonder what podcast her coworker listens to.

Yeah, hopefully they advise her not to say anything.

We'll advise you not to say anything.

And then it's just like a funny story you can each tell at dinner parties.

Yeah, I think it's it's not.

I mean, she might report you to HR, but then she would be a narc, and it seems like you guys are friends, so I think you're good, yeah.

And also, like, she could have reported you to HR, but it's not obviously not like you did it on purpose, you guys are friends, I think she would know that.

And then, like, if she reports you to HR for that, then it's like she's being cruel to you, yeah, because obviously that was something personal for you to have to deal with as well.

Would you, in what, in this situation, would you rather be the girl who saw the boobs or the girl whose boobs got seen?

I mean,

the girl who saw the boobs, obviously, but it also like just depends on the boobs.

Yeah, like I actually don't like my boobs, so I definitely want to be the other girl.

Yeah, of course.

Okay, next up, hey, Jackie and Claude.

Hi you turn.

Hi you dern.

I hope you're enjoying every second of your much needed and deserved break, but I'm thankful.

Thank you so much.

We're having such a great time.

And I'm thankful that you chose Wednesdays as your day to air, as I have quite the predicament.

I'm not sure exactly

how you'll be able to help me give advice, but hopefully this is for sure.

Sorry, I read the sentence so weird.

I'm not sure how exactly you'll be able to give me advice, but hope this is for sure a sign I need to express my feelings as I'm kind of in love with my best friend.

I'm gay, and he's, insert air quotes, straight.

He has a girlfriend, but they're more like roommates with completely opposite schedules.

Him and I only hang out when his girlfriend isn't around because he claims she doesn't like me, and all we do when we're together is bitch about her.

Every time he and I hang out, he always makes elaborate dinners and serves me the best drinks.

I feel like I'm on a date every time, and there's always an awkward tension in the air.

There's been many times when he's asked me questions about my sexuality, which I'm totally open and cool with, but one time in one of these conversations, he told me he sometimes feels like me and conveniently backtracked when I tried to dig for more information.

I can't tell if he's crushing on me/slash dealing with his own demons or is just genuinely being an amazing friend.

Truth be told, I kind of have a crush on him and have for a while, so I wouldn't be too mad if his flirty behavior is just more than a friendly thing.

I'm not sure what should happen next.

Love you both so much.

Thanks for always giving me the most premium content and most steeny advice.

Sincerely, a helpless toaster.

This is rough.

Most gay people would advise not getting into a relationship with someone who's like straight, like still figuring it out, even though they say it's a rite of passage, like as a gay person, but it can be very tumultuous because that person's going through a lot and then you're getting brought into that.

And like, you've already been on your journey.

Like, you're so happy in your sexuality, you almost might be taking a step back.

But if you like him, you have to figure out if it's more of a crush or like you're really in love with him.

Yeah, I think that that is really good advice.

And also figure out if knowing if you guys become more than a friendship, if that would ruin your friendship, is if that's worth ruining your friendship.

Yeah, I feel like, I don't know, you didn't describe your feelings that much, so I need to really know more about that because that's where I think the answer lies.

It just feels like maybe you're like smitten, not like you're head over heels.

Like, it's all fun when, you know, he has a girlfriend and he's making you dinners, but then it's like you move in together and you're paying your bills.

Like, is that the person you want to be with?

Right, right.

I think it's the most boring and like answer, and it's the one that's the least exciting, but it's just patience.

And if this

guy is feeling this way, he needs to figure it out for himself.

And it's going to take time, and he needs to come to these realizations.

So, I think just being there for him as a friend, an ear for him, and also to give advice on your own experience would be really helpful for him.

We'll talk about it more.

Yeah, you need to let him figure it out for himself, right?

You can't pull someone out of the closet, so especially since he's in a relationship.

So, first it means ending his relationship, then it, you know, it's a whole

new piece of pressure.

And you need to be patient for him, but also, I would say, while you're doing that, focus on some things for yourself, get out there.

Maybe, you know, by the time he's ready for you, you'll be ready for him again.

Yeah, I think most seasoned gay men and women would tell you to run because it's so tumultuous and it's such a long, and you're so far in your journey that I don't know.

I'm inclined to just ignore it.

But if you can't ignore the feelings, that's on you.

You need to dive more into your feelings.

What are they?

Identify them.

Is it a crush?

You love him?

You want to be married?

Or you just like think he's cute.

Yeah.

There's a difference.

There's a difference.

All right, third and final deer toasters.

Hello, Jackie and Claudia.

Hi.

I hope all the campers and counselors are having a wonderful time on your vacation.

It looks amazing.

We're having the best time.

Thank you so much.

The campers are thrilled to be here.

The counselors are tolerating them.

It's wonderful.

Here's some background about my dilemma.

I'm a toaster in my early 20s, engaged, and recently bought a house with my fiancé.

I keep a super clean home and I just love the feeling of an organized space, especially when I basically don't get to leave my house.

Her fiancé's mom comes to visit us a lot, like a couple times a month for a weekend.

And generally, it's great.

We're both close with our families and I'm always happy to have her.

Recently, when she's here, the dishwasher finished while I was in the shower, so she started unloading it.

Very nice of her to do.

Later, I noticed she rearranged a couple cabinets.

I didn't think a lot of it, but it was definitely a little weird.

Then the next time she came to visit, I went out to run an errand, and she mentioned that she saw clothes in the dryer, so she put them away.

Again, very nice of her to do, but then I saw she rearranged my closet.

She put stuff I use all the time away in bins and undid my color coordinating.

When I asked why, she said, oh, when I asked why, she said, oh, I thought I'd help you tidy up.

I'm a super clean and organized person when it comes to my closet.

I've spent a long time getting it just right.

To me, this really feels like stepping over a boundary and kind of like saying that she doesn't think my house is organized or that there's something wrong with it.

Now, I know that the right thing to do is express this to my husband and have him talk to her.

But she takes these things really badly.

Like if someone is quiet around her or asks her not to do something, she will literally say for weeks that they hate her and she's like super sad.

She's really sweet and she and my fiancé are really close, so I don't want to cause a big issue, but this made me really uncomfortable.

and annoyed.

What do I do?

She's coming back this weekend and I'm seriously about to put a lock on my closet because I can't and I shan't.

I just have to say, you are so lovely for being so like nice about your mother-in-law staying in your house like for multiple weekends a month.

That's a whole month.

There's only four.

And in the beginning, I was like, I'm so lazy.

If someone wants to, you know, do my dishes and rearrange my cabinets.

Like, I'm so here for it.

But going through your closet and it's already color coordinated, that is like beyond fucking strange.

No, it's a very like type A controlling mother-in-law thing to do.

Like,

you know, when a dog pees, he marks his territory.

Like, that's what she's doing.

So I just think you need to get a padlock and put it on the door.

I think you need to make it impossible for her to help around the house.

Like, stop leaving shit in the dryer.

Stop leaving shit in the dishwasher.

Like, when she's around, everything has to be done.

Yeah.

Take that away from her.

But that's the stuff that, like, this girl doesn't mind her helping with, you know?

No, but it leads to her reorganizing stuff.

That is so rude.

I would literally never do that.

Yeah, I would, or maybe you could say something.

Like, if you don't mind that she helps with the dishes and the laundry, which sounds fabulous.

Yeah, it does.

I would just be like, listen, Barb, I love what you've done with the place.

Sickening.

Sickening the Barb down.

But just please don't go in my closet because I have a weird way of organizing things and I have my outfits next to each other and like, um, I just, it makes sense to me.

And if you don't mind, just like not going in there, thanks.

No, I, this is a job for the husband.

Like, no, but the husband's not gonna do it.

And like, then his mom's gonna be crying.

But for me, like, the best method of communication when it comes to like families and marriages is whose episode has to do the communicating.

But the thing is, it's like, I agree, it should be their problem.

But then you just, I don't know, you put them in the middle, they're arguing with you about the other person, with the other person about you, and their problems.

What is this girl supposed to do?

Put a padlock on every cabinet and closet in her house?

She can do the cabinets, just not the closet.

No, but see, that's like to go into your house and like literally open a cabinet where the cups are and like there's bowls there, like that would drive me nuts.

Okay, but like, does it look better?

Doesn't matter, it's not her house, it's not her choice.

Okay, so then cabinets are off limits, too.

Yeah, no, she needs a literary padlock for all of them.

Yeah, I think you could try the husband route.

I don't think you'll get, it's going to be effective, and it's just going to cause a rift between you and your husband and your husband and his mom.

And so

you just need to put on your big girl panties and be like...

No, I disagree because think about Barb.

Think about it from Barb's perspective.

She comes over, she cooks, she cleans, and the ingrate is complaining.

Like, that's how she would see it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

So to her, she thinks she's doing a nice thing.

And to normal people, it's like, get out of my shit.

So you can't make her feel like what she's doing is inadequate when at the end of the day, like, she thinks she's helping.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

I don't know where I landed.

I don't know.

Either way, Barb's going to be upset that someone told her to stop doing it.

And I think she'll be more upset if it comes from her kin.

Oh, I totally disagree.

I think she'll be like, oh, the bitch said it, you know, but like, you know, she's probably like, oh, this is actually suave.

Yeah, this is actually a really, like, I actually don't know the answer.

I think that you pick your battles, the dishwasher, the dryer, let it go.

For me, I would draw the line at the closet.

And so if you can't get a padlock on there,

I would just make up some bullshit excuse as to like your thing is organized by days of the week and you get it and it makes your process for getting work for easier in the morning, some shit like that.

I'm standing with my first answer.

Like make it impossible for her to do chores.

Like when she comes, don't do anything.

You're punishing yourself more work.

You're punishing yourself.

Yeah, but then you're avoiding an uncomfortable conversation.

When she comes to the weekend, no laundry and no dishes.

Hand wash everything, okay?

Wash your undies with wool light in the sink and hand wash your dishes and let them dry on the counter.

Put your undies in the dishwasher and your dishes in the laundry.

Yeah, I like that idea.

I think mine is best.

Just make it impossible for her to help.

Or just when she comes to visit, give her a shit, like a busy itinerary.

No, or like when she comes to visit, make the house a shithole.

Oh, yeah.

So she doesn't even have time to get to your closet.

Yeah, or you know, you could really use this to your benefit.

Like, don't do dishes or laundry the whole week.

Then she comes and it's like, yeah, okay, your clothes are all over the place, but you don't have to clean all week.

You're a free cleaning lady.

Yeah, I think there's something to that.

There's something to that.

Put her to work on like all these menial things.

Yeah, but oh, no, like, yeah, give her projects yeah i like that yeah like my phylofax needs organizing my rolodex is a mess yeah i think that's the way to go good luck i don't think we gave very good advice there but um let's dive into our TV recap wait before we do though we've been watching some movies here that I just wanted to touch on and share with the class because we've been really like careful about the movies we've selected for the family to watch together and we've watched some really good ones so I just want to share them one was bad education we watched that like a week ago hbo max Lou Jackman on HBO Max.

It's about like a Ponzi scheme in a town near where we grew up, and it's fabulous.

I liked it so much.

Such an interesting, weird story.

Alison Jani.

Like any movie she's in is just honestly perfection.

And I just love a small town Ponzi scheme.

I really do.

I just love, honestly, any Ponzi scheme.

This is like a Polka King.

It's like a weird Ponzi scheme.

Like when you think Ponzi scheme, you think like Bernie Madoff, business manager, Jimmy Cooper, embezzlement.

Yeah.

Like you don't think high school.

Nate Archibald's dad.

But it's really good.

That was Jackie's recommendation.

It was HBO Max.

Yeah.

Really good.

I like that a lot.

Really good.

Then the other night we watched Murder on the Orient Express.

Yeah.

And while I'm not going to say all the way I recommend it to you guys, because if you guys put it on, you'll be like, what the fuck is she making us watch?

I just want to say I loved it.

It was really highly dramatized.

The production value was sickening to train down.

All the different locations they were in.

Istanbul.

They were in Jerusalem.

It was so stunning.

It's set in the 1930s, and the sets were so beautiful.

The costumes, the it was a little like, um, kind of felt like Broadway, like, yeah,

overly dramatized, overly dramatized, but I guess that's like the vibe of Ataka Christie.

The cast was sickeningly cast down.

Everyone was more famous.

I was like, who is that from?

Where's she from?

Lucy Boynton.

Yes.

Melthie Cruz.

And I just want to say, I didn't know who did the murder on the Orient Express.

So, like, I was on the edge of my seat and I loved it.

And I loved the end, like, the mystery and the reveal.

And I love Detective Herculé.

Hercules.

Her kill.

Hercules.

Erkiel Perrot.

Erquil Perlo.

I liked it a lot too.

There's like no movie, there hasn't been movies released for like the last eight months.

Like the iTunes homepage is still showing me King of Staten Island.

Like, I need new movies.

No, I know, but I really liked Murder on the Orient Express.

It's the newest one with Johnny Depp.

And so if you like, like, if you liked Graded Showman

and you have patience for a little bad acting,

a lot.

You'll like it.

Oh, Josh Gad was in it.

Yeah.

Also,

everyone.

I don't know.

Just like people.

Also, the other movie that we watched two nights ago, which really got me in my feelings, was Thank You.

No, I'm.

Only the Brave.

Only the Brave.

Only the Brave.

Which is the Granite Mountain Firefighters.

Hot Shot story, which is a story that I hadn't heard.

And if you haven't heard it, don't look it up yet because I actually like being surprised by the ending.

But first of all.

I've always had, but have so much respect for firefighters.

Like it was just like a real tribute to the firefighting industry.

It was also star studied.

I was thinking, I'm like, because it's like this platoon of like 20 hot dudes.

Oh my God.

If you weren't cast as one of these dudes, like you are nobody.

You are ugly.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

I'm like, they had Taylor Kitch, Miles Taylor, Josh Brolin, like everything.

They had the guy, and I think you saw him on the screen and you were like, what is he from?

Yes.

Rock Hudson from Hollywood.

Oh my God, yes.

He is so good.

Yeah, so it was just like hot dudes in a fire station.

Jeff Bridges.

Oh, yeah.

His character was a little annoying.

Yeah, I thought he did a bad job.

No, no, no, no.

I just thought there was going to be like more to him.

Well, it's an incredible story, first of all, and the movie was, it was good.

You know, I have some notes cinematographically, but.

Oh, yeah, it's a true story, and it's a tough one to watch.

But I think ultimately it's like, I didn't know this story.

It's a story that more people need to know, and I think the best way to get these stories out there is through these high-budget movies like this.

So while at times it was painful,

I think ultimately it's a story that we should all know.

Yeah.

So that's all I'm going to say.

I don't want to give away too much.

It was really good.

Great.

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Let's dive into Real Housewives of New York.

So much to discuss.

Finished up in Mexico, flew to New York.

This episode, I felt two strong ways.

I was either feeling infuriated just at like the lack of logic in mostly Dorinda's just like line of thinking.

And then I was also feeling bored.

There was so much like filler in this episode of things like I truly didn't care about.

Like Ramona's therapy, Leah's conversation with her mom.

Yes, I agree, but I actually took away some things from like the therapy session and Leah's conversation with her mom, whereas like sometimes it's really true nonsense and maybe because I like Leah and I'm interested by Ramona that I found it to be interesting.

But if it was like Dorinda's therapy session, I just

wouldn't have been productive to the conversation.

Also, Dorinda announced this morning that she is no longer a housewife.

We will dive into her statement at the end of the recap of this episode because, you know, she's making it seem as though she made the decision to leave.

And some of the other women are supporting that for her.

Daily Mail is claiming that she was fired.

I personally believe she was fired because because I don't think that she would leave on her own accord.

Why would she?

I mean, she doesn't take accountability, so she doesn't feel bad for anything that happened this season.

She filmed the reunion already, and I feel like if she thought she was going to be leaving, she might not show up for the reunion because then she would have to be held accountable for everything.

And why not skip the reunion if you're not coming back?

Not showing up for a reunion is a luxury that only very rich housewives can afford because you are breaching contract and you do have to pay Bravo.

And as we say many times on this show, the real housewives of New York are not nearly as affluent as and a lot of them rely on the show as their sole form of income.

No, I didn't realize there was a monetary.

You're breaching your contract.

Yeah.

And just Malouf did it.

She could afford it.

Lisa Vanaprump did it.

She could afford it.

Not everyone can afford it.

Yeah, no.

Okay.

So, anyways, we'll get into the minutiae of what might have happened there.

But we finished up in Mexico.

We started out with this fight between Ramona and Dorinda.

And one, I think Ramona needs to stop diagnosing everyone and like getting her physician's degree from WebMD and then letting everyone know

what psychological problems that they have.

Because like that is so annoying and just irresponsible and unnecessary.

Oh, and as someone who watches this show, I don't think that Dorinda's problem is anger.

It's other things.

I'm not sure.

She doesn't blow up.

She's actually so fucking dismissive and condescending.

Someone with anger management would literally get all riled up, scream, throw things.

She doesn't do that.

Anger is not her problem.

But her anger maybe doesn't allow her to see

or have a conversation.

Like she just, I can't.

It's denial.

It's like, I don't, I feel like I actually don't know her well enough to tell her what her problem is, but the women seem to agree that it's anger.

So let's just say it's anger.

I was dead that Luann thought that Ramona sent the text by accident.

Yeah.

Because she should have.

But you know what?

I kind of like, it's so funny because Ramona really thought she was doing something helpful.

And that's the difference between Ramona and Dorinda.

Like Dorinda does things to hurt.

Yes.

While Ramona is dead wrong, she actually thinks she's helping.

No, and she does hurt people in her attempt to help because that's not her intention.

Right, because she's wrong and she did everything.

She went about everything in the wrong way.

But like in her heart, she thought it was the right way.

way she thought sending an article about Dorinda that Dorinda would read it yeah and recognize something in herself this is me I have this she genuinely thought that no no and the text was obviously first of all there were so many things wrong with the text like one an article like what are you saying about the article can we get a follow-up message like what was your point but just remember that it's following up from that lunch where it was like you were angry you were angry the second thing um why everyone else needed to be in the group chat made no sense to me and i did side with remote i mean dorinda's so wrong like no i don't know any logical person who could take Dorinda's side.

Now I'm just like investigating what I would have done and like pointing out what Ramona did wrong.

Like, I don't think sending the text message was ever gonna work, but I did feel bad for her that it seems like everyone's really on her side and nobody backed her up.

Uh-huh.

And it's like all the women went to defend Dorinda at the dinner because they thought it was gonna be a pylon, but it ended up being the opposite.

It probably made Dorinda feel even more steadfast in her beliefs that she is right.

Right.

And you know what?

There's really what I realized is like Ramona goes about everything in the wrong way.

And that's why Dorinda doesn't receive it.

Fine.

But Luann went about everything in the right way with Dorinda.

In my notes, literally, Luanne handles Dorinda perfectly.

Oh, in my notes, Ramona is going about everything in the wrong way, but Luanne is going about it in the right way.

And she's still completely shut down by Dorinda.

So don't even start to say, well, if Ramona did this or Ramona said that.

Luanne is trying.

I'm literally treating Dorinda like a child.

Like a child doing everything with kid gloves on and saying the right things and not going, not, yeah, everything's prefaced with like, you know, a positive and just trying to get her feelings hurt.

And Dorinda Dorinda is completely unreceptive.

Like, she really does not know how to apologize or be compassionate.

And so, it's a Dorinda thing.

And, and I'm glad that we have that comparison because it's easy to just be like, oh, well, it's Ramona.

She went about it the wrong way.

Of course, she went about it the wrong way.

Sending a group chat with an article like that is insane.

And I also think, as I love Leah, but she didn't need to be on the group text thread for a few reasons.

One, she opted out of the conversation at lunch.

She said she was not joining in.

Therefore, she does not need to be in that conversation.

And two, I feel like if Ramona sent it to the whole group, it's more mean girl than just sending it to the people that she chose who were involved in the conversation.

And Leah acting like Ramona leaving her out of the text message is this bigger moment of like her not acknowledging Leah as a true friend.

That's just wrong.

And I didn't agree with that at all.

Yeah, it wasn't, and Dorinda like harped on that.

Like, she's leaving you out.

She's leaving her out.

It wasn't leaving her out.

She wasn't getting her involved in this messy shit that she already said she did not want to be involved in.

I actually thought Ramona did her a solid by not including her.

I think I completely agree.

The conversation between Luann and Dorinda is exactly why Dorinda is really unhinged.

Like, if you have a problem with Dorinda, bringing it up to her is you living in the past.

People can have a gripe with you if you did something to them this morning.

It's not the past.

And it's like, we're talking about what happened on this trip so far.

You think that if Luann says, you said this about me yesterday, that's living in the past.

And I'm going to bring up your mug shot from two years ago.

It's not the same.

No, and just because something happened this morning doesn't mean you've moved past it.

You haven't even spoken about it.

Yeah.

It's just infuriating.

Like I was really getting, like my blood was boiling.

This person like refuses, of course, to even acknowledge that they're even remotely wrong, refuses to have a conversation about it, and then just literally like makes stuff up.

And she's always like looking for her next tagline that she's going to put on merch.

You know what I mean?

So it's like, she doesn't even speak English.

Yeah.

She's just like trying to speak in like sayings.

Yeah.

No, I totally agree.

And which is why the news that she's not going to be on the show anymore was surprising because I do think she's a fan favorite, but it was.

I was happy to hear it because we can't go on like this when one person is just being so mean to everyone else.

And there's, you can be a little mean, but like you you apologize, you own it, you move on, you be mean in a new way next time.

Like,

but there's none of that with her.

And I feel like a lot of people are seeing this Dorinda exit and thinking that it's going to be that Ramona's next exodus, and then maybe Luann and Sonia.

And I actually think the only one who's in danger of being fired is Ramona because I think Luann is a national treasure with her cabaret show.

And she's finally, she really, she's the definition of she owned up to what she did.

She did her time.

And now she's, yes, she's drinking again, but in a more responsible way.

Like, it doesn't have to be all one way or the other.

So I think that, and also, I do feel like they're rebuilding the show now, or at least they should be around Leah.

And Luann is a close friend of Leah's.

I think Sonia, everybody, it's just like, she's so iconic New York housewife.

Like,

if she's not on the show, what is the show?

And by the way, she has literally turned into the most reasonable, logical, moral compass.

It's been

an amazing journey to get here.

What's crazy is she's actually that every season.

Remember that season where she was the only one who had Bethany's back, and we were like, if Bethany ever turns on here, we will never forgive her.

So every season, we're so surprised, but it's again and again, like she is just like such a sweetheart.

She really is.

So I think if anyone else gets fired, it will be obvious that Dorinda got fired.

I'm still not convinced.

I could see it both ways.

Dorinda has had the luxury of being on this show, being an animal, and not once getting called out about it, and also being a fan favorite.

Like from the moment she started, people put her in icon status, Lisa Rena status.

Like people were obsessed with her.

And to be honest, I never really got it.

Never.

Me neither.

And slowly.

But I was happy for them that they had someone, but I never got it.

She started to unravel a little bit in the Puerto Rico Bethany thing to me, which was her most

egregious offense.

Turkey basers up there, too.

Yeah.

But one of her most egregious, unbelievable, unethical moments on the show.

And I think people like started to, but it never became fodder on the show.

Like, remember, we went through like five seasons where literally every conversation was, is Sonia an alcoholic?

And it was like, she literally would stop drinking for years just to prove that she could do it, that she's not an alcoholic.

And it's like, they did did that with everyone.

They labeled everyone an alcoholic.

Luanne actually was an alcoholic.

Like they get, and it never came for Dorinda.

She had the privilege of just only getting the benefits of the show.

People loving her, doing whatever she wants, never having to take accountability.

But now there's literally nothing going on in the show.

Like you can't ignore Dorinda being the elephant in the room.

It's the only thing to talk about.

There's only five women.

None of them are that interesting.

You have to talk about Dorinda.

And I could really see her not being okay with that and leaving.

But I do know that like this show is her, her life.

She loves being a housewife.

It is her only form of income, as far as I know, like with Instagram.

Like the show gives her

aerobics.

It's all funneled through the show and without the show.

So I don't see her stepping away from that.

No, and I also think while she's never really gotten into the weeds and been held accountable like this, she is a fighter.

And

if it came for her, and I feel like she would only really hear it or receive it at a reunion, then Andy was like, you know, also saying, but you did this and you did that.

It's the clips.

I think that she could stand her ground.

I don't think she's one to like cower and give up and walk away.

So I don't, and even when she, her first, so when her initial statement came out, I'll read it.

Claudia and I were talking: like, do you think that she got fired?

It's written like it's her decision, but they do let the production never admit whether someone gets fired or not, which is like nice, but it's so annoying.

Yeah.

She said, What a journey this has been.

I have laughed and cried and tried to make it nice, but all things must come to an end.

This was a great outlet for me to heal when my late husband, Richard, passed away.

I have met so many interesting people and learned so much about myself, about life, and about women along the way.

She said to my castmates, for constant simulation and entertainment, I wish you all health and happiness and success.

Then I saw this Daily Mail article, but also you and I were talking about it.

You thought maybe she left.

I thought for sure she was fired.

I could see her leaving.

I actually can't because, like we said, it's her income, it's her livelihood.

And you know what?

I think she would be able to take the bad with the good because the bad just came for her and the good's been so great.

Oh, by the way, see, I thought that too.

She gives off the vibe of like an animal who can defend herself, but literally this entire season, she's she's running from it.

She literally gets up and moves away from conversation.

That's also because she really thinks that she's right and these women don't know what they're talking about.

But I do think if it was a reunion-type situation where someone she respects, like I don't think she respects Ramona or Sonia or Luann, but if Andy were like, no, do not see this, I think that she would have some accountability and make some changes.

And I think she could get past it.

I really, really do.

I can't believe, though, I mean, I can believe, but the time is here because it seems like Bravo fired her.

That's what the Daily Mail is reporting.

A production source told Daily Mail that it's a big mistake.

So we're all surprised, quote, as even though she had a tough season, she's a fan favorite who people are rooting for.

Quote, Dorinda was the only housewife left who both owns her own apartment in New York City alongside a second home in the country.

You watch, this is an error that they will regret.

Can I just say, I'm almost positive she doesn't own her apartment.

I completely agree.

I know where she lives, and I think it's a rental building.

Yeah, I don't think she owns her apartment in the city, but that's also like not a reason to be a housewife.

And also, what was with like literally her holding over everyone's head, the Berkshires, like somehow they can't come for her because she invites them to their house every season.

Literally, like the Berkshires was just as good for her character on the show as it was for like the storyline.

They don't owe her anything because she invites them to her house.

Ramona invites women to her house in the Hamptons.

Luann invited everyone to her house in upstate.

Like that's not, that doesn't get you a free pass.

No, not at all.

She's just like grasping at straws.

And

I think it's really crazy that they fired her.

And I just, I have a feeling that it's not going to be the only change for the cast.

Well, that's how we'll know if she got fired.

Yeah.

But I think if I'm Ramona, I'm worried.

I'm worried.

Also, Ramona might already know that something's happening.

But I also think,

like I was watching Ramona's, we were watching her therapy session.

And that scene literally illustrates everything that's so wrong with her.

So much embarrassment.

I had so much second-hand embarrassment.

But everything that's so right.

It's like she's so cringy, but she's also self-aware of it.

She's really, even in describing her cringiness, she's being more cringy.

Yes.

And it's literally so entertaining.

And even though she's not like the housewife you might want to go to dinner with,

you, they're watching it on TV, like the entertainment value, it's really there.

And like, she's been doing this for so long.

I think if it were up to me, I would keep her.

But Bravo does have a real housewives of New York problem.

Like, this was not a good season.

We only had five housewives.

None of them have any money.

Like, we have a problem.

No, and all of them just, it's this pattern of like, we're just going to drink heavily, let anything come out of our mouths, ignore it the next morning, and repeat, repeat, repeat.

And that's not, that's not continuity.

That's not a season and that's not interesting.

To watch the women, like literally behave like toddlers.

No, toddlers, like throwing food, screaming, crying,

running on, like

somersaults on the floor.

Yeah, no, literal toddlers.

I don't know where we go from here.

Like, I don't even, it reminds me of like when we got to that really stale place in OC.

Like, we're still coming out of it.

But it's like these women, while they are iconic and we must pay respect, like at some point you do have to move on and this season has really really just been terrible yeah well so i'm glad that they're realizing it they've made one change with dorinda i do think that taking out dorinda and adding two leia type housewives would be fabulous we but i'm sorry like we we need women with money i know i and i know i get so fixated on it but that's what this franchise is like it is an aspirational franchise and that's what makes beverly hills so fabulous that's what makes like when these women take trips yeah

they shouldn't be surprised by the house that they're staying in like when when the women of Real Houses in New York go to Mexico on their own dime, they don't stay at anything even remotely close to what they do.

When the women of Beverly Hills go to Rome, they stay at nicer places than when they do when they film.

It shouldn't be this luxury.

Yeah, I agree.

Also, like, I was showing you this tweet that was like, oh, oh, vacation glam is so different depending on what franchise you're watching.

And it was

Dorit's Versace outfit and Dorinda's pants from London.

Those pants.

Oh, my God.

Those pants.

Those pants really sum up the season.

This episode.

The season.

Yeah.

The season.

The part that really bothered me in Mexico was at that dinner, which was just so dumb.

We got nowhere.

Finally, someone asked someone, Leah, something interesting about her business and her partners, and I actually wanted to hear it.

And then Ramona's going on about the wine and like the way Ramona, once again, talks to staff is just so abhorrent and classist and elitist.

And it's like, can we go back to the Leah conversation?

Yeah.

Do you have partners?

But also, it was Dorinda just asking Leah about her business so she didn't have to talk about the group chat thing and whatnot.

But I agree, it was interesting.

And I liked the scene where we saw Leah and her business and I'm assuming her the show has been good for her business and I hope that we get to see more of it.

I wasn't like crazy about the designs that we saw.

No, it looked like

tour merch.

Yeah, but

I mean she's been doing it for 15 years.

I find it extremely interesting and I hope that it grows and that we get to see more of it.

I really do.

I really felt a lot of pride and happiness for Sonia at her Century 21 party.

Like it is a big deal even though now with COVID, like I think Century 21 is bankrupt.

But she did it.

It's a huge accomplishment and I actually love Sonia and I think if they're going to do a big clean out, like she has to stay.

She's looking so good in her confessionals.

She really teeters between being like this crazy, you know, drunk and also sometimes like so wise.

No, and like so sweet and just a sweet soul.

I totally agree.

Like when she's screaming about her pussy in that Hamptons house.

Yeah.

Pathetic.

But then she's Sonyorita.

Yeah, no, I think she's great.

And I think that she can evolve with a younger cast.

She has a young spirit.

I totally agree.

And I also think that Ramona can evolve with a young cast because she like weird.

She's so, she drinks and she's up the next day and she's so active.

She's always flirting.

Like, I think she can keep up.

But then I also think she has that like Vicki Gumbelson energy where it's like, if someone new comes in, she's going to haze them.

And even though it's like, okay, you're not going to be anyone's favorite housewife when you're doing that, it's going to be interesting television.

Yeah.

No, I'll be very curious to see what happens before next season.

Like if they're doing a major shake-up, if Dorinda left on her own,

or if just Dorinda was the only one who got fired, which I don't see that, I don't understand that strategy.

Really?

Watch the season.

No, no, I'm saying, of course, Dorinda had to go.

Watch the season.

One thing.

But Berzi needs to go.

But if it's just Dorinda, I don't know what that does because we're still stuck in this like time warp where it's these women.

We're walking.

And you know what it is?

It's just like we're living in this like post-Bethany world where it's like we need,

everything can't be in like the shadow of like, what would Bethany say if she was here?

Remember when Bethany was there for Luann and Bethany was there for Sonia and Ramona came for Bethany and they were on noodles?

We're living in a post-Bethany era.

Right.

And so we need a new era.

We need to be in like the era of Leah.

Yeah, we do.

We do.

You know?

So I think they're going to make those changes.

But you also, I think some people are enjoying this season, so they don't need to revamp the entire thing, like, you know, just totally start from scratch.

They're making little changes.

I hope they add two new housewives, but like not someone even remotely similar to someone like Elise.

Like, that is just like what's so wrong with the show.

That she was an up-and-comer.

Yeah.

When they did a preview for next week and we saw there's like Elise drama, I legitimately had forgotten completely about her.

If nobody had ever said her name to me again, I wouldn't have think about her till the day I died.

You can't do, like, go back to Elise Drama after she wasn't even invited on the cash trip.

Like, that is just irrelevancy.

And so now we're back in New York and we're at the Married to the Mom party.

And we're going to talk about Elise.

It makes no sense.

Even though now in real life, like I know Elise and Leah are really close, which is so strange because I never even saw them really connect.

No, me neither.

And I hope that doesn't mean that Elise will be on next season because I do hope Leah has some say, but I also, I don't necessarily want Leah's friends because I don't think that their housewife material.

Leah's like a once-in-a-blue moon type of thing, but someone like that who's on the like a Heather Thompson, just someone with an interesting personal life, great personality, interesting business, and just someone who can hold their own.

Yeah, I love Heather Thompson.

Love Heather Thompson.

She was like a Bethany Franklin in a lot of ways.

Yes, she was.

But while Bethany was on the show, it wasn't right.

They couldn't coexist.

They couldn't coexist.

I actually really, really liked her and her weird, like, she was weird, but she owned it.

Yeah.

She was cool.

So, yeah, that was it um except with all the tour stuff with sonia missing her oh i mean

if you're gonna pay her 200 a show you're gonna get 200 you get what you pay for you get what you pay for yeah but um i i actually am continually impressed by luanne's tour like even though like she had like those six guys singing sitting around at the rehearsal and like i looked at one of their computers and there was literally an email from delta airlines open so i don't know how hard working they are but like it is impressive that like she has this whole infrastructure and it's like when you see sonia walk into her century 21 um

party with like literally her ragtag group of interns who like don't make a dollar and they're different faces every time she never has the same intern it's like so not legitimate and there's something really legit about Luann's tour and it's really impressive I totally agree I'm here for all of it and I look forward I hope she's able to get her next tour off the ground soon because I'm assuming she's on pause right now and I've been and I have to say if you haven't it's a it's a good time well the new one's like different because it's like F.

Mary Kill and it's like a fully scripted show.

Like I know that she read parts of the show that I went to, which was the first show she ever did, was scripted in the sense that she had like her journal with her and she read passages from her journal, but there was a lot of like improv to it.

It was a little messy, honestly, and she had like this projector with a video playing, which she was just getting her berries.

Yeah, every, I'm sure it's they've got it down to a science now.

I'm sure the new tour is going to be good, and I will be going.

Very exciting.

All right, let's do Potomac.

Okay, this week Potomac was not Potomac at their best.

No, but they laid the foundation.

They laid the foundation.

We just watched the preview for next week and it literally looks so good.

One, we have Monique driving a pickup truck.

Two, we have Chris

hoisting Karen in.

Three, we have Monique's lake house.

Four, we got Michael at the strip club.

Yeah, it was really the best part of the episode for me, the preview for next week, but it was still good.

I honestly, like, the difference when we're recapping different housewives is like the Potomac women could do nothing, but they're still interesting.

Just like so much, like their clothes.

Even Giselle, like looking at her house, her desk, like that is interesting.

That was tragic.

No, I can't.

And some of the outfits that the women wore to Karen's birthday, I mean, Karen's housewarming.

Who was your worst dressed?

My worst dressed was, wait, I need to just like think of everyone, okay?

Giselle was not my worst dress.

Ashley was not my worst dress.

Wendy was up there, but no.

Up there, but no.

Candace is always cute.

No, Candace was my worst dress.

Really?

First of all, I just have to say, like, I have that.

She wore like a white kimono over like this pink romper.

Pink jumpsuit.

I have the white kimono.

It's from Forever 21.

I wore it to Stagecoach.

And that's just not like what I want to see on my TV.

Like, I think on their own, each woman was fine.

But when you put them together, it's like, where are you guys going?

Robin literally looked like she was going to celebrate

New Year's Eve in Las Vegas, like popping bottles.

And it's just confusing.

And like the women, I'm realizing the women of Potomac, like their style is some of the worst.

Yeah.

Of all the franchises, Monique obviously looked sickening.

Oh, by the way, she raises the group average by a thousand.

By a thousand.

I'm so obsessed with her.

We didn't get that much Monique.

in this episode, but the stuff we did get was premium.

So we had no choice but to stand.

I guess some of the biggest parts was karen and ray and the house warming and back to potomac that video invitation was so cringy i can't it's like you karen does so much like you want to hate like that was so cringy the video her dance was so cringy but something about it is so endearing like she's trying so hard and i don't know what she's trying to hide there's something going on in this course where she's like and wendy's really the one calling it out like she's for the last couple seasons been like this is how you kiss ray and it's like her marriage is an institution and it's definitely a facade because we see it slowly falling apart like he won't say he I love you to her yeah and he's like not involved in this party at all but she keeps saying the party's for him Potomac is for him she really is making it seem like or maybe she actually thinks that like the party is gonna bring them closer together when to me like everything she did like for the party drives them further apart.

It's all Kay, Karen, her.

She wants to move to Boca.

It's like a coming out party for a single woman.

And by the way, I feel, I understand where the divide in their marriage comes from.

If she wasn't on the show and their kids went to college, they would have moved to Florida and just kind kind of retired.

They are of that age, but she's like 10, 15 years younger than Ray and now she's on the show.

She has a business and the show gives women new life, especially women who grew up as housewives, not grew up, sorry, who were housewives before they were on the show.

The show makes them business women in their own way and they don't want to stop.

And so while Ray may be ready to retire, Karen is not.

No, and the world loves Karen and the show needs Karen.

And Karen ain't going anywhere.

So if someone has to go, it's going to be Ray, not the show.

I mean, the most interesting part of the episode shockingly came from Robin, even though she was barely in it, when she said you throw a house forming party for a house that you're renting I didn't even think that they most likely are renting that house yeah which also makes sense because it seems like they have no clue where they want to be living yeah so I guess the party was the most interesting part the other kind of small stupid drama was between Candace and um

Giselle and I found it interesting that Wendy was the one to like rat to Robin that Candace had called her a monster but at the end of the day like Wendy has to get involved in some way she's been on the outskirts now for five episodes and she came in really in a a difficult position as a friend of Candace, and Candace is on the outs, and she doesn't have the opportunity to build relationships with everyone because she's Candice's friend.

Yeah, I actually loved the scene between Wendy and Robin.

I thought their friendship, like, just off the bat, was really genuine, and watching their kids play was really cute.

And even though it was a little uncool for Wendy to share what Candace had said, she didn't come at it in a...

a way like, oh, I'm going to shit talk my friend.

Like, Robin straight up asked her, and Wendy answered the question.

It's not like Wendy came to Robin and was like, this is what Candace said about you.

No, it seems very normal.

Right.

So, if Robin had asked her and she was like, Oh, I can't say that, would make it seem like she said something so much worse than she did.

And Candace calling Giselle a monster on the list of things Candace has said, like, isn't that big of a deal?

Your concubine allowance, yeah, it's just with each episode, like, I'm just less and less interested in anything that comes out of Candace's mouth.

And it's like, How many times are we gonna watch her and her husband have the conversation about kids?

It's just it gets old and boring, she doesn't

evolve at all.

No, I'm completely and utterly 100%

done with Candace, like, it's over.

I really held out hope because she's there.

She's cool sometimes and she's fun sometimes, but this season has just been completely boring.

Her fights with the women, she's completely wrong, and the scenes, her personal life scenes, do absolutely nothing for me.

Her having like a fake picnic setup, something that she would never ever do.

Just like last week, she would never have gone to that children's boutique if not for the show.

Having this like fake picnic to talk about fake kids that you have no interest in having.

Like, we see right through it.

It's kind of like when Jennifer Aiden accused Melissa Gorga of like these fake storylines, like the sister.

Yeah, and the

having another child.

Yeah, that's true.

Just to have a storyline for the season, but at least Melissa was thinking big.

Like Candace is thinking so small.

So she's either throwing her mother under the bus or talking about a fake child that she has no intention of having anytime soon.

I just have to be honest, like, I'm not interested.

I would rather hear Chris tell Monique that he'll pay for everything

she needs.

Also, while I agree, Candace is just so,

everything about it is just so fake and there's no substance there.

She is the one next week who brings the Michael tea.

So therefore, she is integral.

Yeah, but of course, like the way she's going to go about it is going to be completely wrong because just watching this week's episode, I don't know why next week she brings it to Giselle when Giselle is the ultimate.

I mean, she obviously brought it to Giselle because Giselle is the ultimate pot stirrup.

But like, if it were me and you're actually trying to be a decent person and get on good footing with Ashley, you bring it to the person who's closest with Ashley.

Right.

Honestly, this is giving me like Beverly Hills vibes where it's like something happened off camera.

What do you do with it?

It's like, yes, even though I'm sure that Candace was overjoyed to have gotten that text message, it is a burden because what do you do with it?

Yeah, no, and you have to do like Michael is part of the show.

He's fair game, so it must come up, but there's a good way to go about it.

And I'm trying to think, like, who is closest with Ashley?

Karen.

Karen.

No, no, really?

Yeah.

Candace is closest to me.

Oh, Candace.

Karen.

Yeah, but that's like a new-ish friendship.

No, no.

Candace, Karen, and Monique, like we're all close to three of them.

Now, Candace and Monique aren't speaking, but I feel like right now, maybe Ashley is closest with Giselle, and that's why she brought it to Giselle.

But, like, it's just going to blow up.

Yeah, no, it's going to blow up.

And obviously, like, I'm so ready for another season about Michael drama because it's always interesting.

But I mean, the only thing I want to recap is the preview.

Like, next week looks so amazing.

So amazing.

Like, I can't wait to go to Monique's lake house.

I just want to be there.

I want to stay there.

Someone's complaining that they're in the middle of nowhere.

It sounds like a dream.

Can't wait to watch it all.

I feel bad for Giselle and her, you know, personal storyline that her kids are not on board with her relationship.

And it's like, she's obviously raised really, really good kids if they're so protective of their mom.

And like, you love that.

But it's like, obviously, it took her a long time to get to the place where she wanted to be back with Jamal.

And I don't think she ever expected a hurdle to be her kids.

Yeah.

And I also just think like talking about it in the middle of a dance floor of a dance class with like your friends around like is not where her daughter wants to be talking about it.

No.

This is the sort of thing where it's like, I totally understand where Giselle's coming from and the kids are coming from.

And they just need time.

And like, it needs to be like months, years of Jamal being a good partner to Giselle for the kids to trust him.

And we'll get there.

They'll get there.

Yeah, I would love to see some more Jamal airtime, but he doesn't even live in Potomac.

No, and the airtime we got last week just made me like

made me go, like, wish for the days when I just had this abstract idea of Giselle and Jamal.

And he was.

And like, that they're so fabulous and that he's like too fabulous for the show even, and that we'll never get it.

Because when we got it, I was like, no.

Yeah, some things don't just

don't translate.

No, no.

Some things just don't translate.

And honestly, I don't think that their relationship does.

But we know they're together in real life now, so there's obviously something there.

Yeah, and like, I think that their life together is and can be so fabulous.

Like when Giselle was sitting front row at Dave Chappelle.

Yes.

And like,

by the way, that is the most interesting piece of pop culture.

I totally agree.

And Jackie pointed it out.

I did.

And I just found it so exciting.

And I feel like...

Jamal has so many of these sorts of connections because he's so well respected.

Kenya went to his church.

Yes, and then like Giselle is really so respected.

Like as I don't think she will ever, unless she decided, be off this show.

Like, she is the glue that holds it together.

You told me that Beyonce watches this show.

Like, I think.

Giselle and Jamal are like an institution.

Well, Beyonce has said in an interview that, like, years ago, that she watched Atlanta.

So she's on Bravo.

I can't imagine why she wouldn't be watching Potomac.

And I feel like the women might think that.

And that's why Karen did her Beyonce dance.

And she said, Beyonce.

Yeah.

Very cute.

That's so meta and exciting, like, to know that Beyonce might watch your show.

I know, but then I was actually thinking, it must be so stressful when you're like in a fight with someone and you're like, wait, what side is Beyonce going to take?

What is Beyonce going to think of my actions?

Right.

But you know what?

That also holds you accountable.

Love to see it.

It's a great barometer.

Like, yeah.

Like, would Beyonce be proud of me?

Yeah, and that's how, like, a lot of the franchises, like, there are so many celebrities who are outspoken, like, they're fans of Beverly Hills.

And, like, you have to know, like, Lady Gaga might judge you.

Yeah, you do.

Ariana, she will judge you.

She will judge you.

Chrissy Teigen, obviously, everyone knows, but there's just so many celebrities and you love to see it when they go on Watch Trappens Live who've been watching for so long.

I would love to get a watch Rappin' Live with with Beyonce.

I'm sure she has so many thoughts on Atlanta.

Yeah.

That's the only franchise she's, I think, on record admitting that she watches.

But if you're just to watch one of the watches,

once you watch one and you love it so much and you find out that there's eight more, why wouldn't you pick up at least another one or two?

Yeah, a Bravo Watch Rapids Live Beyonce moment is what we need.

I'm sure Andy, like, has tried.

No, I'm sure it's like on his vision board, you know, and it's a goal of his.

One day.

One day.

One day.

I really don't have that much to say.

about the episode.

It was fine.

It was fine.

And next week looks sickening.

And so we'll talk to you then.

Yeah.

Now let's quickly quickly recap Beverly Hills even though what's the point because we're joined by Queen of the Universe Dariqu Kemsley in a minute but let's just give a few thoughts.

Yeah.

It was a fine episode.

It was a good episode.

I mean it's the episode that had to happen after Rome and after hearing Denise's side of course we need to hear from Brandy and as one of the women said like Denise and Brandy just need to talk but I don't know why Denise would ever give her that platform on Denise's show when Brandy's just saying things that Denise doesn't want her.

Yeah.

I actually really liked last week's episode, the last one in Rome.

I feel like it, I felt like it came to some sort of resolution, and now we're just back.

It's like we made progress, and now two steps forward, five steps backwards.

But you knew that was going to happen because this group just cannot let sleeping dogs lie.

And I understand they're on a show.

It has to be brought up, but there's just something about this storyline that is way too personal.

And I know they keep bringing it back to you.

Well, if pretty much it's like if Brandy did sleep with Denise, then it also means that the things that Brandy said, that Denise said about the women are true.

And they're more interested in getting to that.

where it's like it's not that

they're finding like hearing that Teddy lives in her dad's shadow or whatever it's like that's not that insulting it's like okay that's your opinion no and it's just like i'm sure something teddy's heard a lot it's just yeah to me it's like what they're trying to find out isn't worth the the mean things they're doing along the way and my problem with the episode was that it was all just so overt like in what fucking world would brandy glanville be invited to teddy mellencamp's baby shower in absolutely no world and i'm glad that they actually did show that there was like a offhand invitation at kyle's house where teddy was like you should come yeah But then Brandy didn't come until it was like already over.

Like they said that she was invited initially.

Like that's what Kyle said.

But then she said Brandy said that she got a last minute text message with the details explaining everything.

So was she invited in the beginning or was it last minute?

It was so messy.

And then like to kick out Teddy's, the whole scene was just so weird.

They kicked out Teddy's friends because they thought they shouldn't be there for the conversation.

Like the whole thing just made no sense to me.

It was really weird.

It was like, okay, it's time for us to do our television job.

Yeah, yeah.

Please leave.

And also, like, they shouldn't be speaking about Denise.

Well, they shouldn't be speaking about Denise Without Her There, period.

But they also shouldn't be speaking about it in front of a room of women who like legit don't know her, who are strangers.

Yeah.

So they had to go, but it was just so weird.

And like, it was just weird that it was Teddy's baby shower, that they're using like this baby shower as an excuse to do this.

And it was also like Dorit's Capri room unconfused.

A million things.

It was a million things.

It was just really messy.

I mean, I know that we were supposed to be like living for like the Denise Brandy drama, but to me, the best part of the episode was when Garcelle jokingly, but also like dead serious, said that every time Erica talks about her upcoming performance on Broadway as Roxy, like Lisa Rinna mentions that she did it 18 years ago, and then the clips back to her doing that were just like giving me life.

Giving me life.

I'm weird.

Garcelle versus Rina is kind of like a sub-story right now that's kind of brewing beneath the surface.

And I have to be honest, like some of the things that Garcell is saying about Rina,

I think she's really touching on something that is bubbling beneath the surface.

Aside from the conversation between Rinna and her her daughter, and

eating disorder stuff like that, it's an aside, but she's kind of talking about how Rina is different than the Rinna that she used to know.

And I feel the same way as a viewer.

Rinna is different than the Rina that came on this show.

And I feel like for a few seasons, she was kind of like the punching bag.

You know, like Vanderpump used to always make fun of her.

She's always like begging, groveling for an apology.

And now she's just like this on top of the world Rina who thinks that her shit doesn't stink, who's constantly stirring the pot and turning her back on her friends and just like always laughing it off.

I totally agree.

I have turnt on Rina as well.

There's just something about her attitude this season.

I think it has to do with like Lisa Vanderpump definitely being gone.

It's like the kids have taken over because the parents left the house.

And I think that she's a little like unreasonable and she's not

like,

she's like a hypocrite.

Like she does things and then yells at other people for them.

I have definitely turned on her as well.

Yeah.

And also even in her

struggle with trying to understand the Denise Brandy situation.

And I really did like, you know, the human slash actress side of her when she said that when her and Denise like came to make amends and she said that she would have Denise's back.

And then she reads these text messages from Brandy, which sure, they show that Denise and Brandy are friends, but I don't think anyone ever really questioned that.

And she says, this is an intimate relationship.

I'm sorry, this is not an intimate relationship.

And she's reading those text messages and wanting to believe Brandy, even though like she should be wanting to believe her friends.

Yes, I now think that her, you know, emotional breakdown in Rome was definitely like an acting acting moment because she's not following through on any of the things that she said she was going to do.

And at the end of the day, what's so frustrating about this is like, Denise lied so many times.

And to cover up something, I haven't figured out what her MO is, but she just lied so many times.

And it's giving the women ammunition to keep going and keep furthering the storyline to uncover more for lies.

Like, you are friends.

You spoke to her two weeks ago.

You spoke to her before the party.

You said you didn't.

And it's like, it's frustrating to be on Denise's side because she's just like lying, like making stuff up out of her ass.

Like every 10 seconds, everything she says is a lie.

So it's it's just, it's frustrating because I want to defend her, but it's like she's giving the women the knife to stab her with.

Yeah.

And also, I think for the women, it's like, okay, if she lied about them being friends, it means she's lying about sleeping with Brandy.

It means she's lying about the things that she said about us.

And I don't necessarily believe that's true.

I think Denise kind of panicked and,

you know, and lied on some points, but it doesn't mean that everything else is true.

So it is, must be frustrating for Denise, but I'm really liking Denise's vibe.

She's kind of annoying to like when she's lying and stuff, but in her confessionals, when she's just like saying one thing to the women, and then her confessional, just being totally honest with the viewers, like I'm living for it.

I agree.

I love that energy.

I hope she brings that energy to the reunion.

And Doreet said that the reunion was very interesting and that her and Denise are friends, even though, like, next season, next week, which is the season finale, we get a little sneak peek that she blocked Doreet on social media.

Yeah.

But we'll see what happens.

We'll see what it's all about.

The only other thing that I wanted to mention is Rina had a conversation with her daughter, Amelia, about the comments that Garcell had made.

And it was another instance where I did feel like actress Rena was coming out.

I did feel like the conversation was a little staged.

I feel like they had the conversation privately before and decided what they were going to say.

And then I saw on Twitter that Amelia was wearing two different black hats.

SpaceX and Valencia.

Right.

And so, which would go to say, I mean, either she changed her black hat in the middle of the scene or they filmed the scene twice and she tried to recreate her look and wore a similar but different hat.

And there was a digital clock behind Amelia that had the time for a while and then like as the conversation progressed, they blurred out the clock.

So, there's just weird, and someone pointed out on Twitter, the screenshots they put up of Denise and Brandy's texts were like Photoshopped.

Like, you can see there was like a blue bubble error.

Like, it was weird.

I'll show you.

We can post it on our Instagram.

There's just like weird continuity issues.

Okay, the bubble thing of the text, I didn't see it, but I just feel like maybe they consolidated some text

just to like get the point across quicker.

So, we're not like reading texts and say, like, hey, what's up?

And I'm you, just chilling.

I agree.

But the Amelia Lisa Rinna stuff is really strange to me.

And we spoke about this last week, how it kind of, you know, it's obviously not cool of Garcelle to bring this up.

Like, she's a child.

But Rina has chosen to put this on television.

Yes.

Amelia said, and she took it back, but she said that she was forced to share her story on Real Houses of Beverly Hills.

And then later she clarified, not saying forced, but encouraged her mom encouraged her to share it.

It was like a whole mess.

She got herself in on her Instagram stories.

Yeah.

But anyways, like this, this storyline is out there.

It is something that they chose to put out there.

Amelia could have been dealing with this and none of us would have ever known.

She's not a castmate.

She's not required.

Yeah.

So not only did Garcel bring it up, but then Rina brought Amelia back to like have the conversation again and like sort of avenge Rina and her parenting skills.

And I just felt like that's

it's not, it was unnecessary.

I agree.

I agree.

I agree.

So anyways, but it is interesting to see like the other Garcel Rina drama brewing because they do have a long-standing friendship and it seems like Rina has changed.

Oh, by the way, and as a a viewer, not that I know her personally, but the vibe that I get is like, and Lisa Rena talks about it all the time, I like the hustle, like being famous is a constant hustle.

You have to do jobs you don't want to do.

The Depends commercial, la da, da, how many times do we have to hear that?

But I feel like the housewives has brought Rinna something she hasn't had ever, which is like a constant stream of fame and money.

Like the housewives of Beverly, I mean, the housewives in general is like a great platform, but the Beverly Hills is like the crown jewel of the whole, like to be on it is a huge honor.

And the women are all rich and famous in their own ways.

And I think that this platform has given her something she's craved for a long time, which is that like true stardom.

Like, you see, she's at an event with Chris Jenner.

Like, this is what she's worked for for so long.

And now that she has it, I feel like she's becoming a little bit of a mobster.

She's like moving into a new circle, too.

I feel like we spoke about this, you and I, when we were just watching together, because you were like, I don't know why she's turning on Denise.

Wouldn't she want to be friends with Denise if she's kind of like a social climber?

And Denise is a bona fide celebrity.

Right.

And I'm like, no, Rina now is like moving into like Chris Jenner territory.

And like, Denise is like her old life of just being an actress, a soap star, whatever, a 90s siren icon.

But like now she's like, she's just moving circles.

And I do feel like Denise doesn't, that friendship doesn't provide what it used to be.

The benefits that it used to be.

And now it's like being friends with Kyle, being friends with Sutton, being friends with Erica Jane.

That's where it's at.

I totally agree.

She's super transparent.

Yeah.

And you know what?

We do love to see that as well.

And by the way, that's why people love her and respect her.

But it was a fine episode.

It was fine.

It was fine.

Yeah.

Next week's season finale.

Now we have our interview with Doreen, which was so much fun to record.

You know, we absolutely love her and we're so excited to talk to her.

So check it out.

Enjoy.

We will see you guys next week.

Welcome back to The Morning Toast.

We are freaking out, you guys, because we are sitting down virtually with someone we discuss here all the time on The Morning Toast.

At least once a week.

At least.

At least.

When we recap Beverly Hills.

Please welcome to the show, Doreet Kemsley.

Woo!

Hi, Doreen.

Hi, guys.

How are you?

We are good.

Amazing.

We have to preface this interview by telling you that we stand so hard.

Your looks this season are just

breathing life into the season and it's an already good season.

So we just have so much to talk to you about.

But before we do, we just need to say thank you for everything that you're bringing, like physically and mentally, spiritually

to the season.

Thank you so much.

Wow, you have made my Friday.

You've made my Friday.

Okay.

We literally just, I have so many questions for you.

We just watched this week's episode.

And to be honest, honest, like, we don't know if the way that we feel about, you know, the current situation is how most people are feeling, but I really feel like you are taking the really mature route on this whole Brandy Denise drama.

Like, really not concerned with whether or not it's true, but just like, should we be talking about this, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we see next week's season finale snuck up on us so fast.

It did.

This is where Denise kind of cuts with the filming.

You hear you say that she blocked you.

Are you, and we thought you and Denise had a beautiful friendship, especially in Italy?

Like, we were really impressed with how you guys just kind of weathered the storm.

Where do you guys stand now?

Denise and I are friends.

I mean, I don't think that that's a secret.

Great.

I've met multiple times.

And, you know, I'm happy to say Denise and I have a great friendship.

She's somebody that I connected with very quickly when I met her for the first time two years ago.

When I was going through a hard time, she really lent herself in such a soft, kind

way.

And, you know, I don't forget those things.

And we really bonded.

And I think she's very funny.

And I think

she's sweet and kind and caring and all of those things.

And, you know, I don't know Brandy well.

In fact, I met her, and inside of the first 30 seconds, you know, she insulted me.

And, you know, she and it just

if you're if there is a story which you know I have to believe either my friend or somebody I don't know

anything about and is isn't hasn't been very nice.

I mean, it's clear I'm going to be on Denise's side.

And then I think that there's a level,

you know, where you just, you don't go, you know, and what's the purpose?

Why are you doing this?

What are you doing this for?

You know, which is totally

understand.

And it does feel like on Beverly Hills, you guys do stay above that level most of the time.

Everyone has things that they don't want to share on the show, but that grace wasn't awarded to Denise in this instant.

And that's what seems unfair.

Right.

Well I mean listen there's the flip side to that and the truth is we are on a reality show where we are showing our entire lives and there's been plenty of things that maybe we don't get to pick and choose what we want to show and what we don't want to show.

We just don't because you put yourself out there and there's the curiosity of the audience and the producers jobs and the network's jobs and you know the cast job and

is really to show the real, the the reality of the situation and everything, the good, bad, the ugly.

So that's the alternative argument.

And I do understand that.

I think as far as women go and us women, it's something, you know, none of the women in our group, in our core group, brought this information to the table.

They didn't.

The information was brought from Brandy to the group.

And then, of course, there is this argument, well, what happens then?

It's out there.

The information wasn't delivered to me.

Had it been delivered to me i wouldn't have done it the way it was done but i have a different relationship with denise you know i would have done it very differently and i certainly would have made it wouldn't have made it very public and i certainly wouldn't have talked about some of those sordid details at the baby shower when you found out that brandy was going to be in attendance did you shoot denise a text and let her know or she genuinely just decided not to show up and it was like perfect timing for her

she actually had face FaceTimed me before the baby shower started before I knew Brandy was coming that she was sick and she couldn't come.

Okay.

So I don't know if she had any wind of it or what, but she,

you know, she did FaceTime me telling me she couldn't come because she was sick.

And then Brandy ended up showing up at the end of the baby shower.

I think another reason why we've really connected with this season is that Glam is like a topic of conversation.

It's at an all-time high.

And aside from the actual looks, it was actually part of the storyline, some of the fighting, you know, when you showed showed up late to malibu which i was totally on your side like i just thought kyle was being so unreasonable um can you talk a little bit about like what does your day look like when you film i know on the trip i'm sure it was back to back with glam and then daytime and then nighttime but what is an actual day in the life of a housewife when you're putting these looks together what does that what does that look like

so for me i mean i like to it depends on my mood Obviously, whatever we're doing, but I love to put looks together.

I love to play.

It's a space that I really enjoy, you know, the fashion space and the glam space.

I love it.

It's who I am.

I enjoy doing it.

So I choose an outfit.

I put together the look, and then I've got a great team.

Justine Marjon, who is my hairstylist and very dear friend.

She's one of my best friends.

We've been working together for a number of years.

And, you know, I trust her.

She knows me so well.

So once I've put together the look, I'll collaborate with her and decide how I want to do my hair.

And she just, you know she kills it she

kills it and time and time again she's so next level it's fantastic for me because I get to work with you know my friends and we get

and when you have a similar vision and you understand one another you know each other so well you can really have a great time at it and I think that that's what you're seeing the byproduct of that

so that's the process for me I choose an outfit I put together sometimes the night before if we're traveling then obviously I'll pack a couple couple of days before and put together a few different looks and and then other times when I don't have the time and I know I'm shooting and keep in mind I've got two little ones and businesses and so life is always very crazy and very busy

I could just literally be grabbing something as I'm going you know or throwing something together after the fact you know if I if I do have my hair and makeup done and it's low-key then it's I'm going for a low-key outfit you know kind of more comfort yeah what has been your favorite look that you've worn this season?

We'll tell you ours.

It's so hard.

Let me hear yours because it's really hard.

There's so many that I love.

You know, mine is actually not that obvious, you know?

I don't think mine is too.

Do you think you're the same one?

I think the lunch in Italy.

The Fendi one.

No, no.

Lunch with Kyle in Italy when you wore that big black, like scrunchie around your hair.

It was just so understated and so elegant and just so different.

I know.

I loved that.

I felt the same.

And it wasn't kind of what I was going for.

Again, the outfit really spoke to the way I wore my hair and my makeup.

Yes, because you almost looked like you were going to a funeral.

And some could say that lunch might have been the funeral of your and Kyle's friendship.

Some could say.

What was yours?

No, I think we're talking about the same one because she's wearing the Fendi tights and the Fendi boots and the trench and the scrunchie.

Oh, maybe, yeah.

And it was just, it was like, it's not the most obvious one, but it was so like.

delicate and low-key and just apt and also like fendy in romantic it was perfection it was perfection i agree and i also wearing those italian designers in italy in rome i mean for me i just felt like it was paying respect um i was having a love affair with versace last year i mean i just thought everything she did you know i was drawn to and so i think my favorite and it's really hard because there's so many that i love um it's hard to pick favorites it's like children but i can't favorite of my children i love them both you know

really really love the versace suit and that was a lot of fun because it kind of came together.

It was brought to me.

I've got a wardrobe stylist that I've worked with for many years.

She's also a dear friend.

She's in New York City and she'll send me some things.

I mean, we've known each other a long time.

It's great when people really know you because I don't have time to shop these days.

So, you know, things, a lot of things will get sent and then I kind of pick and choose.

And when I was putting it together, and I had all of these Versace accessories laid out, I was actually putting it together and I was pinning things all over.

And then I put on the belt and I couldn't decide which belt I liked.

So I kind of had them both up.

And then I was like, wait a minute, I kind of like them together.

So then I stacked the belts.

Wow.

I mean,

yeah, I stacked the belts and then I ended up putting even hairpins on the jacket.

Oh, wow.

So for me, that was such a fun look.

I had a necklace wrapped around

my wrist.

And I like outfits like that.

I like where when it kind of, you know, there's a little bit of me that, you know, there's a unique, there's an originality.

There was an outfit I wore, a Prada set.

It was to Denise's infamous

barbecue

with the pony.

Well, that, I actually cut the Prada shirt

because I wanted it to be level with the pant.

And it was a high-waisted pant.

I didn't want to tuck it in because it had a cute little belt around the pant and it bunched too much.

So I actually cut it.

And then with that piece, I sewed a hairscarf and then put it in my hair.

So

that look came together.

And I love things like that.

I need honorable mention to the Attico dress you wore to Kyle's event.

That was just sickening.

Show stopping,

give birth to it, throw it in a blender, mix it up, reference it, not reference it.

It was just fucking brilliant.

Like, and I can imagine how much time that takes.

And we want, as viewers, we want to let you know, like, we appreciate it so much.

It elevates the show to a completely different level, which is, I think, what really sets it apart from other franchises it's like these looks it's like it's milan fashion way it's like a magazine it's something that we like maybe used to get from other mediums that now with so many people watching reality tv you guys are really like they kind of what we used to get from maybe a show like gossip girls yes

in the city

yes like those looks that are really curated and have like a theme and a an idea to them you guys are serving up on beverly hills and it does not go unnoticed no it does not

i'm so glad too because that's the that's the way.

When I get teased for it, I say to myself, I mean, you're not going to change me.

I enjoy doing, that is, that is what I like doing.

So it's so lame.

It's so lame when people tease others, like for being creative.

Yeah.

It's like an art.

Exactly.

Or for grammaring.

It's like, why would you tease someone for wanting to look nice?

to careless for their job, like that they're showing up to, because it's not just you're going to a workout event in for Teddy.

Like, yes, it's that, but it's also like you're recording like a show that so many people watch and it's going to be out there.

People watching it for years and years and years.

And like that look is going to have legs.

Exactly.

Also, I was wearing Beverly Beach leggings.

You don't have to defend yourself, Darien.

You look sickening, the beach down.

You looked sickening, gagworthy.

You walked in.

I'm like, yes, I'm glad she's late.

And she's not even late because she said she was only coming for half the fucking day.

I love you.

And also, it's so important that you take those pictures.

Those pictures are so important, like, so important.

I mean, that's the whole thing.

Why waste such a good look?

I want to see it.

And I know other people want to see it.

You know, I'm literally making that time.

And that takes a matter of minutes.

This is not like, let's just book a half a day for a photo shoot.

It's not like that.

It's all the photo shoot.

You snap a few pictures, you know.

We all do it.

We all do it.

Yes, I know, exactly.

And that's the Graham, isn't it?

It's the Graham.

Can you tell us a little bit about the reunion?

You guys filmed it remotely.

Was Denise there?

Yes.

Love it.

I'm so glad.

I think she deserves a moment to explain herself.

Me too.

I was so glad she was there.

And in truth, she had said to me leading up

that there was no way she wasn't going to be there.

So I expected her to be there.

Oh, good.

There's always a lot of chatter in the press.

And, you know, it's hard because when...

conversations happen in the press or the press takes it to the next level and then we kind of operate with our hands behind our our back because you can't answer every single thing you know

but but I'm glad she was there the reunion although virtually was epic it was really incredible it's definitely one you want to tune into excellent

yeah and that that look was a lot of fun putting together I mean

so you have to have a lot of fun I I really loved loved the dress and I loved the hair um that I did and as far as the actual content in the reunion it's definitely worth tuning into it's really good good do you think Denise is gonna return

I don't see why she wouldn't

I don't see why she wouldn't I mean I say that

she's friends with me she's friends with Garcel

you know the only reason why someone wouldn't return is if they're either not friends with anyone in the group anymore or if they just

you know they're just not wanted i suppose but i don't think it's either of those that it's not neither of those but I don't know I mean that's believe me if you ask me you can ask me all of those questions but it's the powers that be that that actually right Denise that make those decisions but I would think so yeah

nice well speaking of the powers that be something that Denise said this season she said bravo bravo bravo which we now know is something that you say when you don't want something to air is that something that's like used often like do have other people said that over the course of your time on the show and like we didn't get ever get to see it no no no not in fact

it's kind of the first time I've ever seen it.

It's really not a tool to not get footage aired, you know, which is why Bravo deliberately put it in.

Because imagine that, you guys.

Imagine if we could all arbitrarily choose what we wanted to air and not air.

I mean,

producing a show, which we're not producers on.

Right.

No, I think that she had heard it.

Some of the OGs,

Kyle, Lisa Vanapump, they had said that back in the day, when they wanted to touch up their makeup, they would say it while they were, you know, putting powder on their nose.

But if it's anything juicy, oh no, it's never

removed from the show.

That's so interesting.

One other breaking the fourth wall question, because there's this rumor going around that.

Kyle and Teddy filmed the scene with Brandy and Kyle after you guys got back from Rome.

So goes to say that they got the information about Denise

off camera and then they decided to bring it up in Rome and then film a scene where they're being told as if it's for the first time.

I didn't I didn't hear that.

I mean I was told in Rome and it was told to me by the girls that they had filmed with Brandy and this had happened.

Okay.

Okay.

So yeah.

I have another question for you, totally unrelated, but I just have like I've been we've been waiting for this like you're just gonna have to sit here for two hours.

Sorry.

You know, it wasn't too it wasn't too long ago that you were the new girl, and I think in your first season, it was tough for you.

Like, not every you didn't jive with everyone, everyone didn't jive with you.

Um, and now that you are kind of like a resident castmate, and new girls come on, like, what is your

like, how do you decide to introduce yourself?

Do you go out of your way to be nice to new girls?

Because I know that you and Garcelle have a really great friendship, and I feel like you and Sutton get along really well, like your love of shopping.

Are you doing that intentionally just because, like, you were the new girl once and it wasn't as easy for you?

Okay, so and I really like you guys.

So I feel like, you know, heart open on my hand, you know, hand to my heart, heart on my sleeve, whatever the word is.

Here's the thing.

I've always been that kind of girl that when I meet people, I, if

I kind of like everybody, you know, and until you give me a reason not to, I'm warm and nice and kind and I enjoy meeting people.

And that's the way I always was.

And then I applied that in the show.

Didn't always work.

And I kind of realized, I mean, when I had sort of met Teddy for the first time, you know, I thought that we were friendly and then things were good.

And then, you know, she's texting me.

And I felt like I kind of put my heart into her.

And then when I watched the show back, her first season, it was just like all of the like this bashing and talking and it was like so shocking to me.

So it was like it's a whole new world I had to become adapted to.

and so therefore I kind of decided after that okay well I'm gonna approach it where I'm gonna be myself and be nice and kind if there's any kind of signs or reasons for me to go slowly I'll I'll do it so I think that the answer the long-winded answer that you're looking for is that Garcelle, when I first met her, it was just an easy connection.

She was so fun and it was just, our personalities connected.

We had a great time.

And I really liked her from the beginning.

Sutton, on the other hand, she, things can come out of her mouth without thinking.

She's quirky.

I've gotten to know Sutton, so I can tell you she's so lovely.

I really enjoy her.

We have become friends.

But in the beginning, I was like trying to figure her out, you know, trying to understand because I didn't really know, you know,

is she going to like me?

Am I going to like her?

Is she going to say something that's like so, you know, extraordinary and shocking?

And she does.

Yes, she does.

I guess that's kind of the beauty of the show, which I think is why she was such a good addition to the show.

She was kind of like, I agree.

Yeah, she brings something different.

Yeah, I think, like, at first, I wasn't sure what her role was going to be.

Um, but I actually think she fits in really well.

I think you guys, all the group, I think for the, I think we speak on behalf of the fans, and we were ready to get Lisa Bannerpump out, like from literally five years ago.

Like, we have been riding this train, we are the conductors of the train.

Get her off of the show.

Like, I just think she's so toxic and manipulative.

And, like, we were really believers in that.

And I think a lot of people were like, well, where does the show go from here?

She was on it from the beginning.

She was an integral part of every storyline, you know, sniper from the side.

But now that we're here, I feel like you really get to see a lot more character development from you guys.

There's more, like, real genuine friendships.

Like, I'm sure, I mean, I think a lot of you guys hang out off camera.

We do.

And that's beautiful.

Real genuine friendships.

And even shooting, you know, filming or

I would say filming, how best to say it,

you know, feels like it's just, there's a freedom to it.

There's like something that's sort of lifted.

And I think that's why you're seeing

a lot more

developments in friendships and characters and so on.

And I think that Lisa was, you know, a very important part to the show for a very long time.

And she had a very big fan base.

She still has a very big fan base.

And, you know, it was her decision to leave.

And I think that,

you know, maybe it was the best decision for her, for everybody.

It just, it felt different after she had left.

It was definitely something that lifted or shifted.

And I think the lightness.

Yeah.

Everybody across the board kind of felt it.

Yeah.

Well, it's nice to watch it all play out.

One final question.

I have one too.

Okay, so one each.

Who is your favorite designer?

Another Tuffy.

I just, I don't have one favorite.

It's funny because,

you know, obviously I'm a fashion lover, so I'm always tracking the fashion and it depends.

I mean, I think Dior is doing some incredible things, but you know, two seasons ago was Gucci.

And, you know, I've got design, I've got designers that are not,

you know, known designers that I really like and try.

I could not give you one.

I couldn't even give you 10, probably.

Okay, fair.

What do you think your monthly budget for glam and wardrobe is when you're filming?

I mean, that's hard.

And I'm not sure I'd actually mention that

okay but that actually wasn't my last question my last question was how is your house love I love the house I love the house

really great do you have the party at your house next week yes

oh is it a housewarming

It is a housewarming and my husband and I developed a non-alcoholic champagne called Lesteus

that we launch at the party.

It's fabulous.

Like 16-foot champagne bottle in our pool.

So you'll see, yeah, the house is beautiful and you'll get a chance to see it really

for the first time this season, like kind of more done.

Oh, that's exciting.

Fabulous.

Well, Doreen, we absolutely loved having you here.

I know your time is so precious.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you for all you do and just saving the show and you're just everything of the sort.

Keep doing you.

Never apologize for who you are.

Bring the looks, bring the hair, bring the attitude.

We are here and we are living for it.

I love it.

Love you.

So, amazing.

Thank you.

You guys have a good one.