S3 Ep140: The One That Never Ends with Emma Chamberlain: Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

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Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the morning toast.

Happy Wednesday.

Hope everyone had an amazing day and is having an even better hump day.

Theo's here, thank God.

Thank God.

It wouldn't be the same without him.

I think you could hear his snores on last week.

Hopefully, you'll hear them this week.

People should be so lucky as to hear the snores of Theo on hump day.

Such a special day.

I hope everyone has had an amazing week.

We are having just a really fabulous time.

I'm not gonna lie,

not to

rub it in in or anything, but we are just having a sensational time.

We are, I mean, I don't wanna speak for you.

Okay, no, please.

I have found, you know, such like inner peace.

I know that sounds so weird.

That was the word I was gonna, I would have jumped in with if I were jumping in.

We are, I mean, I've been spending so little time on my phone.

It's crazy.

And not intentionally, I'm just like finding peace in nature.

We've been taking a lot of walks.

I've been eating a lot.

I took up coloring.

We're doing crossword puzzles.

Like, I feel like a 90-year-old retiree living in a nursing home, but that's the the life no it's the life we've really embraced nature like you said we've been eating a lot a lot it's really just like that movie um eat pray love i never saw it but yeah that me neither

because we're eating i'm praying i'm loving it loving it all um we have the dogs here we've got the babies here like we're just our hearts and souls are feeling so warmed and also we're doing weekly episodes as you know if you're listening to this but we've also been doing some fire patreon content so i also feel as though the work work has been so rewarding.

So fulfilling.

So fulfilling.

Like, I don't know if I'll ever be more fulfilled by my work than the great chili cook-off of 2020.

I mean, it took us all day.

It took way longer to like film, shop, edit, but the result is unbelievable.

Like, I cannot believe like how many people who were already patrons, like, we're living for it.

We got so many new patrons, which thank you.

It is such a great way for you to support our show.

And you are rewarded with premium content.

If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend.

I myself have watched it three times.

We watched it on the theater, in the theater room in the house that we're staying at, like big time premium content.

And it is just so funny.

I'm not going to lie.

As much as like the chili cookoff was everything to me and I put my heart and soul into it and into my chili, and I'm not going to spoil with how it ends.

Ben was the star of the show.

I know, like, it was killing me because, you know, like, I'm so competitive and all I want to do is talk over everyone.

But Ben just really, he's a star.

No, he's a star.

I think we've always known that he has this flair for cooking.

He really is like a seasoned, season chef, and he he is such a personality and it all came together in this beautiful way during the chili cookoff.

Everyone really hit their stride.

Like you were hosting, you were being a game show host.

People are, people are saying like it was some of my finest works.

People are calling for you to like become a permanent game show host.

Or iron chef.

My husband was directing.

So if you watch the video, like some of the footage is, some of the directing cues, you'll see the artistic direction that he took.

Like it's very artful.

It's quite sickening.

It's quite sickening.

We had the smidge as a judge and she was born to judge.

I mean, she's so judgy already she's bored to do it and olivia as well just like so much judgment there and then we had olivia's husband zach also as a judge and i feel as though he's very impartial and you needed that you did need that so we're not going to spoil what happened you know there were obviously some twists and turns throughout the cook-off but if you want to watch it's patreon.com slash the morning toast but this morning i went on a bike ride

and it was phenomenal you know what i realized i was on this scenic path bike riding and i was looking around and i was thinking to myself wow, they should really film a Peloton scenic ride here because it's so beautiful.

And then I was like, Wow, for the last four months, I've been doing Peloton scenic rides.

I am living.

I am where I've been virtually trying to be.

You're in it, and all you can do is think about Peloton.

How sad is that?

But then once I realized what was happening, I was like, I'm in the screen.

I realized, like, I've been working so hard to get to this moment to be riding a bike outside, and I am the scenic ride now.

So, if you're a patron, you can see all about that, patreon.com/slash your morning toast.

Today, we have a very long, very special episode because there's so much news we have tons of stories all three housewives are being recapped in our tv recap segment we're doing dear toasters our advice segment and we are thrilled honored humbled and excited to have emma chamberlain on our podcast at the end of this episode it was first of all who's like we know she's like a cool girl but like we got to like zoom with her and by the way the video is also up on our channel on youtube we got to like talk to her before the interview and like I just felt so cool.

No, I felt so cool.

Like she was making me feel like what cool for talking to her and then also like a loser for being me yeah no i felt like a loser because like i liked her so much i felt like a loser because i'm myself yeah and not her yeah but then i was like cool that whatever i've done in this life has gotten me like on the phone with emma chamberlain for sure and we got margo in the interview because you guys know she's chamberlain it was so funny i don't want to spoil like the big joke of the interview but it's really funny but it's really funny and when i think back on it like i laugh me too because i also think that's something now i'm like don't regret which i won't but i also think that's something that that we do a lot when it comes to snitch yeah and we have have to realize how it sounds.

Yeah.

And Emma Chamberlain like fully put us in our place.

And for that, I'm so grateful to her.

Yeah.

You guys are going to love the interview.

She's so cool.

And make sure you check out her new book, which is now available.

It is A Planner.

Oh my God, it's a planner.

It's sickening.

And as like some planner stands ourselves, like it sounds like a planner that is everything of the sort.

And I look forward to getting my hands on it.

I really do.

And I look forward to having a plan.

You know, that's not the thing.

It's like, I have a planner.

I just have no plans.

But that's why Emma Chamberlain's planner is so great because it's made for the days.

Like, it's made with the days in mind where you don't have a plan.

Right.

It's very DIY.

You don't need to plan one day.

You don't have to.

There's not a day there.

You put it in yourself.

It's fabulous.

She'll tell you all about it.

So.

Check that out.

Check that out.

The video's on our YouTube if you're interested in that sort of thing.

But without further ado, we have a lot to talk about.

Less than I thought that we would, given that we're only doing weekly episodes.

But still, I organized some of the stories like subset A and B so I could get more stories.

More bang for your buck.

You absolutely love a subset A.

I love a subset B too.

I can't be stopped.

But you know what?

I really never take it to to subset C.

No, that's because then it's like make it two stories.

Right.

But if there's like a theme, and also like for this, like you'll see, I kind of just like did it thematically.

Like one theme is pregnancy news.

Another theme is Kylie Jenner.

So so much Kylie news, by the way, and I have a lot to say.

Okay, I look forward to hearing your piece.

So without further ado, let's get into the fast five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast.

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Okay, first story.

The Ellen DeGeneres Show ousts three top producers, a variety exclusive.

The Ellen DeGeneres Show has overhauled its senior production team in the wake of accusations of racial insensitivity, sexual misconduct, and other problems in the work environment at the long-running Daytime Talk Show.

Three senior producers, executive producers Ed Glavin and Kevin Lehman, and co-executive producer Jonathan Norman, have been ousted from the Warner Brothers distributed syndicated strip following damning allegations raised in recent reports.

Veteran producers Andy Lassner and Derek Westerbelt will remain at the show as executive producers alongside Ellen.

I don't know.

I mean, I'm glad that they finally did something.

It's just been so much talk about them.

Now there's finally action being taken.

I don't really feel like, A, this toxic environment can really go away if not.

Everyone at the top has been let go.

It seems like she's probably just picking and choosing her favorites to stay, which is literally what the complaints against her were about.

100%.

Everyone knows Andy's her favorite.

He literally is the only one who's ever on the show, like physically.

So the fact that she chose to keep him, I feel like, is reinstating that toxic environment of favoritism and like harassment.

Right.

So I really don't have high hopes for like the culture shift there.

I just think, who the fuck would want to work there now?

I think they're going to have a hard time literally hiring people.

Yeah, I think.

It sends, obviously, I think to them, they thought, you know, we'll, we'll cut some people, we'll throw some people under the bus.

And that is what happens a lot of the time when there is a big scandal.

It's like, listen, we've got to give some names up.

Yep.

Unfortunately, your name has been drawn.

Someone has to go.

But I feel like considering the allegations that were against them, like this sort of just perpetuates what you think is already happening at Ellen.

And so either she should have worked on changing the culture from the top down or

completely starting clean and bringing in new producers who just will have a different take on it.

Like when you've been working at the same place for so long, like that's the way that you know how to do things.

So I feel like the producers who are veterans were saying on, you know, they don't have any outside perspective of like, there's other ways to grow their business.

And by the way, I think like the big, you know, elephant in the room is that a lot of that toxic energy and, you know,

discomfort in the work environment stems from the top.

the top being Ellen.

Right.

So I don't know if we're going to get a change within Ellen herself.

I doubt that we are.

I just feel like this is a major band-aid to like a huge problem.

And in a lot of ways, it makes me really sad because like I'm so against cancel culture.

And I agree that like what happened at Ellen is like wrong but like she's had such an accomplished career and like I where do you go from here like the story is not ending we've been reporting on this now for months like it doesn't stop but you know what I actually disagree with something that you said because I actually do think that there might be a change within her after this oh uh she's getting canceled is very humbling it is it is humbling and I think when you see it all laid out in front of you, I think when she's going about her day-to-day and she's this huge star and she has all these little underlings and it's easy to disrespect people and then treat celebrities one way and the people that work for you another way but when you're being called out for it I think maybe she'll stop she has stopped and reflected and been like you know what that's not the legacy I want to leave she spends so much time like trying to be positive and bringing joy into the world and that shouldn't be overlooked and I do think that is what she wants her legacy to be yeah and I think that for a while she thought that that would be her legacy if she just like shoves it into the legacy box.

No, that's an interesting take.

But I think if she realized, no, no, no,

it's more than that.

And these are the things that you need to do.

I think she's capable of being a decent person.

I do, because I think that people are capable of change.

I do too.

And you know what?

No matter who you are, how big you are, to go from being universally beloved, like there was like little things people were unhappy with her about, but for the most part, like she was known for being kind, for being philanthropic, for being a gay icon.

Like to go from that kind of pedestal to like literally being tabloid trash.

It's incredibly humbling and I have a hard time believing like it hasn't affected her personally.

And so hopefully that personal change will radiate throughout this new work environment she's trying to foster.

I just, I want everyone to win.

I'm, I mean, I'm not like a an Ellen Stan by any means, but like, I don't believe in, like,

I don't know, I don't know how I feel about this.

I feel all over the place.

Like, why was she being so nasty?

Yeah, no, I feel all over the place, but I also feel like, okay, changes have been made.

I'm hopeful that they were the changes that needed to be made, and that the show can have a more positive vibe going forward.

But, like, where was HR?

You know, I feel like this is classic HR work responsibilities.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I mean, maybe the people who work in HR were also scared and facing the same issues that the people complaining.

That's true.

That's true.

No one was.

No one was.

There was no one there who could like stand up to Ellen or Andy.

Yeah.

So we'll see.

I mean, I'm curious if when she comes back, like, is she going to address it?

Is she on the air right now?

I don't know.

She, like, was on the air in her house.

I don't think she's on the air right now.

Yeah, I don't know if she's on the air, but the fact that we don't even know if she's on the air just shows that like people just love to talk.

Yeah.

And nobody actually even cares what happens with the show.

Honestly, that's what's so crazy.

Everyone has an opinion, but no one's even watching the show.

Agreed.

And why don't you ask the people watching the show how they feel?

Yeah.

How they feel.

True.

Okay, next up, this was really the big news of the week.

I feel like it was a very big week for Miley Cyrus.

Oh, yeah.

Because she was on the Call Her Daddy podcast, which is just so exciting for podcasters everywhere.

And she had her new single drop on Friday called Midnight Sky.

And I have thoughts on both.

Okay, so so I have this e-news article, biggest bombshells from the interview.

I started listening to the interview and it was so good.

So far, I just haven't had time to finish it, but I very much look forward to it.

It's so crazy to hear Miley on a podcast.

I don't know if she's done a podcast yet.

And has she really, she was talking about how she really just appreciates the medium because she can just like speak her mind.

And with TV shows, I'm sure even like the late night shows, you only get, even if it's 10 minutes, like that's not a lot to convey your whole self as a person.

Right.

You can't get to relax because there's a commercial break and then you have have to promote your project.

That's why people love podcasts.

It's a comfortable medium.

Right.

So I think that she was really into the podcast and love that she's like worn Call Her Daddy merch, so I assume she's a fan of the show.

So it was really cool.

And Alex is like a huge Miley stan, like Hannah Montana is right.

So it was just like the interview that all Hannah Montana stans have been waiting for.

So let's talk about the Call Her Daddy interview and then I want to talk about Miley's new quote-unquote era.

I don't really even like to call it that, but everyone knows how I feel.

It's always a new era with Miley.

But why does it have to be that way?

Because you want to know why?

Why?

Eras are meant to represent albums.

Miley doesn't release albums.

She just releases singles.

Okay, but the last album I think she released was Younger Now.

Yeah.

Yeah, but also what about the album like about I am she is I?

Oh, she is sister's daughter.

Yeah, sister's mother's daughter.

She just like keeps like having new aesthetics for songs and then like never following up on it.

I mean, I've spoken about this a lot of times and I know people don't like my opinion opinion on it, but like, Miley Cyrus' singing career is like as fake as mine.

Okay, well, let's talk about the song quickly if you're just going to get right into it.

What do you think about the song?

It's a fine song.

All of her songs are like, fine.

Are they amazing, life-changing?

No.

Are they genius?

No.

Do they play once and then I never fucking hear them again?

Yes.

You couldn't pay me to sing one line of Nothing Breaks Like a Heart.

Besides, Nothing Breaks Like a Heart.

Is that even it?

I don't know.

That's what I'm saying.

It's like so much of her music is just like a flash in the pan.

Yeah.

And I don't even know, like, who are her fans?

Like, I just her music career confuses me so much.

And what's so crazy to me is, like, I think she's done some of the most brilliant covers.

Yes.

Well, okay, so she talks about that in the interview that I've gotten to talk about.

She talks about how this song was different from her, and she's known for doing covers.

And like, you know, Jolene and introducing her fans to like these songs that she loves.

And Midnight Sky for her is like her writing an original song that is more based in the songs that she covers.

See, see, that's interesting.

Like, to me, that is rooted in fact.

I just like something about her entire, and I wonder if it's just me.

Like, is anyone else so confused?

I'm so confused.

I do think that, like, so she's done a few big, like, it's Miley and it's the real me this time.

Yeah.

Bangers was that.

Miley Sires and Her Dead Pets was that.

She is Coming was that.

Younger Now was that.

And by the way, Younger Now was that.

Wait, Malibu was that.

Yeah.

All of these things were that.

And now Midnight Sky is that again.

But I do think her releasing this song paired with a podcast is so brilliant because Miley really does require this much this much explanation Yeah, because like we are the people who are the fans We are the fans

and we're confused So it is confusing when every year she puts out new music.

She's like, no, no, no you guys this is it.

But I think that's also a commentary on you know her

ever-changing person.

She's a young girl.

Like we are I'm not who I was two years ago.

I'm not who I was yesterday.

Right.

So every time we do a podcast, it's like, no, this is who we are.

Yeah, that's true.

That's interesting.

I just feel like

she works in an industry where every artist is so cemented in their aesthetic, in their music, in their lyrics.

And it's just like everything, you could play me a song.

Any one of her songs sounds like it was written, sung, and produced by a different person.

Yeah, but I think she doesn't subscribe to that.

That like, I need to be this pop artist and have this aesthetic and this symbolism.

And she is just like, I'm waking up this morning.

I'm going to put out who I am today.

And I do,

I think it's confusing for fans because we're so used to like this specific trope.

But I do respect that she's just trying to be herself.

Well, that is like that viral clip of Beyonce talking about the music industry.

She's like, nobody releases albums anymore.

Nobody releases works of art anymore.

People literally just like release singles and then move on with their day.

And I literally think she was talking about Miley Cyrus.

Oh my God, that is so funny.

Yeah.

So with all that said, I think that's why.

It was brilliant that she did a podcast called Her Daddy Being the Perfect One, obviously, to couple with a new, new era.

Yep.

And here are some of the biggest

bombshells according to e-news.

One, of course, is she talks about her first time, like losing her virginity, having sex, was with Liam Hemsworth.

But she lied to him and said that he wasn't the first so that she didn't seem like a loser.

But she actually said, I didn't go all the way with a dude until I was 16.

I ended up marrying the guy.

So that's pretty crazy.

Like, it is crazy that Miley Cyrus married the guy that she lost her virginity to.

Because for so long, she was like so out there and so like proud of her sexuality and she was bangers.

Like she was wild running around stage.

and it's like that girl also married the guy she lost her vigidity to like you really can have it all yeah no it's just it's not what you would expect but i think that's the point with miley yeah she also talks about her dynamic with women in discussing her relationships with women miley explained why they did why the dynamics of those relationships were a better fit quote i think that's what ended up making female relationships make more sense to me because the role that i was in made more sense because it was like well there's not going to be this weird thing that like I paid for everything and whatever.

That's just like a stereotype too.

Like if I'm going to be with a girl, I'm totally down to be with like a boss bitch that's as successful or more successful than me.

That's cool too.

But I feel like the women that I end up being around, the role fit easier for me because like even my relationship with men, a lot of the times, I kind of hold a more dominant space.

And so it felt like that made it less uncomfortable.

That is such an interesting dynamic.

I never thought to like compare gender like stereotypes when it comes to different types of relationships, but that actually makes a lot of sense.

And I feel like in a lot of ways, Liam was like very traditional.

Yeah, it was very traditional, but I think for the time that they were together, it was like she always, like, that was just like that soul was her mate.

It was mutual.

That soul was her mate.

That soul was her what?

Mate.

So, oh, oh, God, yeah, yeah.

That's interesting.

She's so deep.

Yeah, she talks about her public breakup from Liam, but also what's interesting is it just came out that her and Cody Simpson are no longer together.

Devastating.

Devastating.

Obviously, not like so shocking.

I think what's most shocking is that they were together as long as they were, considering it was like kind of a rebound relationship

and he doesn't seem like like a serious guy or like someone who could hold her attention for that long.

No, and it turned out to be like a real nice big relationship for the two of them.

And so it's always sad to see two people break up, but it's a new day.

It's a new Miley.

I mean, I can't think of Cody Simpson without mentioning like what we lost in the relationship of him and Gigi Hadid.

Like to me, they were perfect together.

She was like, you know, a bikini model.

She wasn't a super model yet, but she was just like this gorgeous blonde bombshell.

And like he was like this cutie blondie like they were just so perfect and australian together like even though she's not australian do you know what i mean yes no i i do know what you mean um i'm actually really looking forward to finishing this episode of miley on call her daddy because i'm not really like loving the way he is writing

like they're just i feel like they're not getting to like the core of the who she is of the message that was like oh or what was happening between alex and miley yeah and so i just thought it was it was a really big week for miley last week i feel like she also does this thing where she's just like so ham on social media, promotion, full stop all the way, or like none of it at all.

So it was one of those big Miley weeks, and we love to see it.

Something interesting that Miley tweeted before her quote-unquote era started was that she quoted, she put up a clip, like the new era is coming.

Like this basically, like this video sums it all up.

And it was like a 45-second clip of her music video for a start all over.

And I guess now I'm like understanding she's starting all over.

Yeah.

Oh, but you thought probably at the time that it was going to be like really similar to the song Start All Over.

Which, by the way, way, not only was the song, but the music video like really is emblematic of my childhood.

Oh my God, for sure.

And that was such a good song.

Yeah.

Such a good song.

There's so much good Miley in the catalog.

And I really do look forward to the catalog expanding.

Of course.

You know, and I also, I thought Alex did, from what I've heard so far, a really great job with the interview.

She really like...

can and is becoming like sort of a female Howard Stern.

Yeah.

And I think it's very exciting.

Fabulous.

You'd love to see it for the medium.

We love to see it for the medium.

Okay, next story, some interesting hosting news.

Jojo Fletcher will temporarily replace Chris Harrison on the bachelorette after he left the bubble.

Can I just say, like, the way people reported on this initially, like, was so misleading?

Like, yes, of course, that Chris Harrison has been fired, and Jojo is now the Chris Harrison of Bachelor Name.

No, it's like he needs, he's gone on break, and someone needs to fill in.

Like, it's not a big deal.

Yeah, sources confirmed to E that since Chris left the set to take his son to college, I believe, he will now have to quarantine upon return, and Jojo will temporarily replace him as host.

On August 11th, Chris posted a picture of his son at Texas Christian University.

And so I guess now JoJo is stepping in while he quarantines, which is a very interesting choice.

Not one which I would have predicted.

She might have been number 15 on my list of predictions.

Who would you have chosen?

Oh, I feel like there are so many, like, real, not that she's not a real host, but there are so many people who do hosting as their full-time job.

Podcasting.

I was going to say Rachel Lindsay, too.

Allie Fetichowski.

Caitlin Bristow.

Right.

There are so many people who host.

Even Jordan Rogers.

That's what he does as his job.

Nick Vile would actually be an amazing.

Wells.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, they're just the, they keep coming.

And JoJo, to me, like, and I also feel like she's kind of checked out of Bachelor World right now.

So for her to go back at like the top job was just not what I would have expected for her, but I love it.

I'm not mad about it.

It's just a little bit of a surprise.

But we also love a surprise.

Yeah, I just like hate the way people report on things these days.

Like, I'm so sensitive to it.

And it's like, how fucking misleading is this?

Yes, no, I'm so sensitive to it as well.

Oh, like, Chris Harrison's fired.

Like, no, he's taking this kid to college, which is so cute.

I legitimately forgot that he used to be married and he probably has kids.

Yeah, and like, they're college-aged.

Crazy.

Crazy.

Um, okay, next story, a little fashion drama.

I'm obsessed with this story.

Lala Ken is calling out designer Michael Costello for refusing to make her wedding dress.

Lala Ken is speaking up in the defense of Kylie Jenner.

Okay, I'm not gonna lie, 2020 has been a really tough year for me.

But that sentence just fixed it all.

That sentence has done like more to repair my mental health than

so many different things could have.

I'm thrilled that Lalak Hent could do that for you, and so millions of Americans.

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Of course not.

The Vanapromp World Star called out fashion designer Michael Costello for refusing to make her wedding dress because she is not a quote big enough celebrity.

What a clown, this dude.

I literally blew him up to make my custom wedding dress.

He would have gotten all the tags and ads he's talking about, but I never heard back from him.

Why?

Because I'm not big enough.

So cool out, Costello.

You do the same shit.

So she was commenting in reaction to Michael Costello slamming Kylie Jenner for not tagging and adding all the different small brands that she wears on her Instagram.

But she tags, you know, Bauman and Olivier every single time that she wears him.

We also know that Kylie has had like collaborations with Balman and a very deep friendship between the families.

And he was just, he like wrote a really long

caption saying, thank you, Olivier, for the perfect B-day dress.

And thank you to the no-name designers who work tirelessly around the clock on custom looks who she won't tag, mention, or at unless it's paid.

He added that he was not speaking up for his work as Kylie only wears something for me once a year, and I'm lucky if I get a decent pic to post.

Well, you'll never get it again.

Yeah, also, she doesn't work for you.

Like, you want to pay for a post?

Pay for it.

You send her something with good faith, hoping she posts.

It's not her job to go and find the right light for a picture for you to post.

Kylie Jenner's wearing her design.

Congratulations.

That is like the cornerstone of like this conversation being had when it comes to influencer marketing.

Like you can send the biggest celebrity in the world a box and just because you got in good timing, they happened to be in a good mood that day, like they'll post it.

Whereas they actually normally might have charged a brand $250,000 to do that.

Like Kim sometimes randomly posts like all these random shit she gets, like makeup from L'Oreal.

And I don't think that that shit's paid.

I just think it's like a gesture of good faith.

Right.

So but when a celebrity doesn't do it, you send them something for free and they don't post about it, that's fine too.

Right.

There's nothing wrong.

Like that,

you sent them something for them to have.

Like, if they want to post about it, that's obviously amazing and it's going to do great things for your business.

And like, fingers crossed that that happens.

But when they don't, you don't need to hop on and shame them.

Don't send them stuff if you're not okay with them maybe not posting it.

But by the way, if you send them something and they love it, of course, at some point it's going to come up in their routine or in the background of a story, and you will get that love from them.

Not even that.

It all comes out in the wash.

What you don't, what I feel like Michael Costello and maybe other people who agree with this are failing to recognize that while kylie might not post on instagram a picture of the dress you gave her it's very possible she wears it out to an event and that exposure is just as if not better kate middleton doesn't have an instagram where she tags what she wears but almost everything she wears is sold out immediately because it's in the daily mail right it's like instagram isn't the end-all be all be all for designers and i think that while maybe you don't get everything you want when gifting something to a celebrity like there are huge benefits and you make that decision like you if you're sending something to a celebrity you have to have low expectations.

Either get in the gifting game or get out of it.

I agree.

Because you can't send people this stuff with this expectation because that's not how it works.

And also, when Kylie wears something, doesn't tag the brand that she's wearing.

And people love it.

Like, the fans figure out in two seconds where it's from the link and it sells out anyway.

So, she doesn't need to physically tag a brand in order to blow them up.

So, like, he's getting so crazy over this minutiae.

And I, like,

I just think it's people love to like come for celebrities for doing this sort of thing.

And to me, I don't see anything nefarious about this.

Like, you sent her something, she liked it, or she didn't like it, she posted it, or she didn't post it.

Don't send, and I feel this way just about people in general.

Don't send something because you're looking for something in return.

Send it because you want the person to have it.

Move on.

Also, in many circumstances, I'm sure that Kylie paid for some of the items.

Some of it is definitely gifted, but her wardrobe, she has a stylist, she buys clothing.

Once you buy something from a designer, yes, it would be nice of her to tag it, but that's not her responsibility.

She's a consumer, technically.

Yeah.

So I just don't agree.

I guess his argument is that, and this is why it's like bringing back to Lala.

His argument is that she only tags the big designers and the no-name ones she doesn't care about.

But then Lala's literally saying, and you only care about the big celebrities.

And to me, I'm not famous enough.

But Michael Costello responded with a screenshot receipt that proved that they were in communication.

Like they did set up an appointment.

So there's a text message that reads, I think it's with it's between Lala's stylist and Michael's team.

Yeah,

he said, um,

that's great.

He gave the address to his thing, and oh, no, this was about Kylie.

Lala, Kent, you wanted us to dress you and we passed.

You didn't want to buy anything.

We also confirmed an appointment for you, and it was a no-show.

Why are you complaining a whole year later?

God bless.

Oh, he said, also, please coordinate with Courtney, my assistant.

Do you need her cell phone number?

Right, so that text message is proof that like they were in communication with Lala.

It doesn't prove that he didn't turn her down.

But then also, Lindsay, Christley said.

Lindsay, Savannah.

Okay, is there a Lindsay Christley?

Yeah, the older one.

But Savannah said the same thing.

I'm not that far off.

Yeah, I know.

Savannah said the same thing that he wouldn't dress her for the NBC upfronts.

Right.

So they were just making this point that, you know, it's easy to throw stones, but don't live in a glass house.

Yeah, no, no.

Like, if you're going to come out and, like, be so,

like, attacking in a comment like this,

you better be perfect.

You better have no fucking skeletons in your closet.

And like, now, of course, all these people are coming out of the woodwork.

Like, I could see Michael Costello not wanting to dress Savannah Christley or Lala Ken because he doesn't think they're high-profile enough because Beyonce wanted to we're a dress.

Like, I could see it.

Yeah, I could see it.

But then, if you're gonna have that sort of standard, don't be cruel to someone who might also have some similar sort of standard that, or you perceive that they have that standard when tagging brands.

If you're gonna have that sort of standard, put your phone down.

Yeah, no, it's just it was wild.

And I just, I hope that Kylie was like, who's this Lala Ken?

And saw her Instagram and called her.

And now they're like all together.

And I just think it's worth mentioning that I would bet my life Kylie Jenner will literally never wear another Michael Costello outfit in her entire life.

No, absolutely.

Which is a shame because he makes really beautiful stuff.

He does make really nice stuff.

I own a few of his things that I got them from Revolve.

Sickening.

Sickening.

Oh, also in more Kylie news, this is the Kylie category, Kylie Jenner was accused of captioning her photo, quote, brown-skinned girl.

Kylie Jenner was under fire for captioning a photo of herself using the caption brown-skinned girl, but the star denies she ever wrote those words.

The 23-year-old mogul posted a sexy snap to her Instagram on Sunday with the controversial caption before quickly editing the text to say browned eyed girl according to screenshots captured by a Twitter user.

Kylie's initial caption didn't go unnoticed.

Someone said we saw the original caption.

Please show me where and how you are a brown skinned girl.

The audacity is repulsive.

But Jenner took to Instagram to say that she never made the caption brown skinned girl.

She said she saw online someone Photoshop this photo I posted to change my caption brown eyed girl to brown skin girl.

I never said this, she wrote on her Instagram story.

She further that the original caption was just a heart and a star star emoji which she changed to brown-eyed girl a few minutes later that is all she added so this story bothered me for an for a major reason where this story was widely reported on before kylie responded and it's like We're supposed to have faith in our journalists and our newspapers that like they do the smallest bit of research to figure out that this was like a Photoshop thing and I just can't believe that it was written up and reported and it was like a hoax like

it's so disappointing like how are we supposed to trust any fucking reporter?

Like, this is

a joke.

Like, I feel like it speaks volumes, and now it's like it was reported as fact, and yes, it ended up being untrue.

People don't fucking care.

They saw the headline and they thought about it, and now that's what they think of Kylie.

And now, I'm like reading this article, and the whole article is written as if it's true.

And then at the bottom, it's like Jenner posted this date.

Like, as if maybe she's lying.

Yeah, no, it's just so misleading.

And I feel like it's really like a dangerous precedent to like start reporting on rumors that fans started.

Like, I thought I see that all the time.

Like, a fan makes like a tweet.

This actually just happened with Kylie where like a fan said that Kylie didn't tag the dress that she was wearing and Kylie was deleting all the comments of people who were tagging the brand.

And Kylie went on Twitter.

She's like, what the fuck are you guys talking about?

She has a million comments.

You think she's scrolling through and deleting them?

That's my favorite one when people are like, you're deleting comments.

And it's like, no comment has been deleted.

No, it's insane.

So it's like...

A fan started that.

It was a tweet.

And then it was reported on that she was doing that.

And Kylie again had to respond.

It's like, why is it on Kylie to do the reporter's job?

100%.

I don't know why it like frustrated, like, really rubbed me the wrong way.

No, that's infuriating.

Yeah.

Okay, next story, another subset.

Pregnancy news.

First, Chrissy Teigen is pregnant.

This is like with her third bebe.

She stepped out twice, and we saw two pictures of her belly.

One, she was wearing this balm on cardigan and beggar shorts, and she looked so sickeningly cute.

She looked so adorable.

And I'm really, really happy for her.

And I think it's cool how she explains, like, she takes a pregnancy test every month.

and this was just like a total surprise that i think that they've been struggling recently um to get pregnant and she just took a routine pregnancy test before her breast reduction surgery which i'm so jealous of like if wearing a sports bra out here in the nature vibes has taught me anything it's that i need a breast reduction no it's so hurtful like

so i'm so happy

not only did she get like a new rack of titties she also is getting a new baby which is really what what more things could you ask for no it's so amazing they announced the pregnancy in john legends new music video wild the video includes a close-up shot of her growing baby bump.

This is just like the every, you know, obviously it's been a tough year, and like there are some happy news stories that just put one little sprinkle on the ice cream comb.

And the way they announced was so cute.

We love a partnership with music, promoting music.

It was a brilliant business move and a wonderful personal life update for the family.

It really is.

And speaking of a personal life update for the family,

two people's names you never thought you might hear together, Chrissy Teigen and Gabby Barrett, are pregnant.

I feel like we wouldn't report on Gabby Barrett if it weren't for Margo.

Like, Snitch is obsessed with her.

Okay, yes, but also, like, I find that Gabby Barrett is maybe in, like, my top 10 most listened to artists of this year.

By the way, there's a huge chance that people don't know who Gabby Barrett is.

She was on American Idol two seasons ago, and she was kind of, she didn't win, but she was a huge breakout star.

She's now signed to Luke Bryan's label, and she's like a really up-and-coming country artist.

She's married to...

I was going to say that.

Oh, okay.

And it seems like the most interesting part.

Yeah, well, the most interesting part.

Not like Luke Bryan's label.

The most interesting part was that like some guy she met like in Hollywood week, he got out before her, but they're both like very young, very Christian, and like fell in love, got married super quick, and now they're having a baby, and it's just like a real country love story.

It's a beautiful love story, and her music is really good, which is why I feel as though she's worthy of being like reported on on the show next to Chrissy Teigen.

And we talk to her every year at the CMAs.

Yeah, we made her record a video for us at the CMAs.

She's a real staple of this show.

And if you are like, oh, I've never heard of her, what's her music?

Listen to Hall of Fame.

That's what I'm going to go with.

Hall of Fame.

She was

like, actually, actually, a little rude to us this year.

She was just seeming like she did not want to be talking to us.

Yeah, I mean, most people don't want to.

Can you fucking blame her?

Can you blame her?

No.

No, definitely not.

Like, it is what it is.

I'm happy for her.

Nevertheless, every time we, and it's also because, you know what?

I'm going to play devil's advocate.

Oh, here we go.

Every time we talk to her, we're like, our little sister loved you.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think that's one of the most annoying things you can say to someone when it's like, no, I don't like you.

Don't get it twisted.

But my little sister, she likes you.

That's true.

That's an interesting thing.

But you, like, it's annoying when people say that to us.

Like, oh my God, my best friend loves you.

And it's like, wait, what about you?

Right, right, right.

No, you know what?

I never thought of it that way.

And I totally hear you.

And I agree.

Right.

And it's like after three years of us telling her our little sister loves her, she's like, are you ever going to check on my mood?

She's like, by now, you guys will be fans.

Oh, my God.

That's so funny.

But if this finds its way to her, I'm actually a really big fan.

Like when she's on the quarantines playlist when we were in the car, like she's the first song that I play.

So I'm a big fan.

Happy for the family.

And now, before we get into Deer Toasters, I have a bonus story that's just for Claudia that i saw in page six about one of

deer toasters we're getting into tv recap oh before we get into tv recap yeah that's fine you didn't have to whisper it like

i don't think you're gonna cut it out but i just have it this is actually a great segment oh segue into tv recap okay um that former real houses of new york star cindy barshot is bringing

is bringing vaginal rejuvenation spot to the hamptons stop she's been trying to make this vaginal rejuvenation spa happen like the spot the spot i've literally been getting like promo press emails about it for years like you want a shot in your vagina?

I'm like, no thanks.

No, it's like, I've been getting the promotion for so long that it's like when she first started promoting it, I didn't need it.

But 10 years later, actually, I could go for some.

Can I see that picture of her?

That's not what I remember her looking like.

That's a really unfair picture.

She had black hair, not brown.

Well, she might have, this was probably.

And she had bangs.

This was probably in the year of Ombre.

This is probably a very old photo of her.

I'm happy that her business is expanding.

Maybe she'll make it back on Housewives.

And so now you know that the vajacial is available in the Hamptons.

Next time you're there and just feeling like you're looking for a little rejuvenation.

You know how I spend so much time in the Hamptons and my vagina is constantly getting beaten up.

Yeah, and it's in constant need of rejuvenation.

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All right, let's dive into our TV recap segment.

So much to discuss.

So much.

All right, first up, we are talking about Real Housewives of New York, which was actually a pretty decent episode of Ladies in Mexico.

I really enjoyed it.

Something about the trips for Rahoney always elevates it because the houses that they stay at are so nice and the trips are so lavish, and that's what we're missing in their home life.

Of course, but also because the trips on any housewives are always the best part of the season.

Yeah.

And so it's been sort of a random season to begin with.

So to have them all under one roof, you know, you don't get to get away with your behavior from the night before.

We're going to talk about it at breakfast the next day.

It does bring everything full circle.

And people, Dorinda, are starting to be held accountable, which is just music to my ears because.

You'd love to see it.

I absolutely love to see it.

She is unbelievably infuriating.

The end of the episode where at the K's when they're having lunch and she's acting like an actual sociopath lunatic, it was driving me nuts.

We'll get into all that, but I agree.

It is such a weird season.

And you know what was so weird is like the night that Dorinda couldn't go out to dinner, only four of them were at dinner.

And in other franchises, okay, if one person, seven.

If one person can't come, we're still a full table.

They were sitting at a four top.

Yeah.

It was crazy.

It's really crazy, but of course that was the highlight of the episode for me.

And it was interesting to take out the one variable in the group who's causing all the trouble, but also thinks that like she's the grand maestra.

The moral compass.

No, and she's like the one who planned the trip.

So she's responsible for the itinerary, et cetera.

So I guess that gives her some semblance of leadership on this trip.

But to take her out of the equation and just see how the girls had such a great and fun dinner without her, I was so happy to see that it's true.

They get along when she's not there, making everyone upset and hurting their feelings.

Also, the two guys that were there, I can't even imagine what that dinner would have been like without Dorinda because I feel like she just

with, yes, with Dorinda, because I feel like she just would have been attacking the ladies for like being sort of desperate and cougary.

But you know what?

That is who they are.

It's their brand.

They thrive when they're at their best and most crazy, when they just get to be flirting with some younger guys.

You love to see it.

You really do.

Let's start at the top of the episode with the whole breakfast extravaganza.

Because to me, what was so,

you know, what I took away from the scene was Vermona Singer's bathing suit.

She looked amazing.

And I don't always agree with her, like weird, walking around a bikini with her back super arched in like wedges.

Always in wedges and maybe like a hat tucked under her arm.

Yeah, she like she acts like she's like at the

Importofino, like when she's literally in her backyard, which honestly I respect.

I do respect, but sometimes she just looks extremely out of place.

But there was a shot of her from the back overlooking the ocean in her lemon wedge bathing suit.

She was like pondering.

She was pondering life, and she really looked amazing.

And I just feel as though she needs, props need to be given.

Yeah, and honestly, actually, for a second, I didn't know who it was.

It kind of looked like Teensley.

Oh, yeah.

But she's obviously not there.

I mean, props need to be given for this trip because honestly, the women have been looking so run down in New York.

Like, their outfits are just, they're awful.

Not even like, not even like they're trying and it's like not my style.

It's just like not elevated whatsoever.

But they all got out their best caftans and their straw hats for this trip and they look pretty good.

I have to say.

They do.

Leah brought some great looks.

I loved the green bikini and the see-through

cover-up.

Yeah, that was a great moment.

Durindan, her Versace One Piece, very fabulous.

Very much enjoyed that.

Now, Luanne's outfits are some of my least favorite, but she carries herself.

Maybe it's because she's so tall, but with this like grace and elegance that I always just like respect her when she shows up.

It's like you can take the countess out of the marriage, but you can't take the countess out of the woman.

No, it's like you could take the title out of the girl.

No, no, you said it was that.

You could take the girl out of the countess, but you can't take the countess out of the girl.

100%.

She really.

There's something quite county about her.

Yeah, even in her low moments, she really always has this grace to her.

And she's really turning into one of my favorites this season just because she's so not problematic.

And she's pretty reasonable, except for when she lets Durin the slide.

And I know that it's because she doesn't want to go back down that dark, dark path.

Because every time she calls the Durina, she's reminded that she has a mug shot.

Who would do that?

No, it's a terrible friendship.

And it's like, you can, she can't call Dorinda out on anything because Dorinda just has what she thinks is this Trump cart that's like, at least I don't have a mug shot.

Right.

But it's like, honestly, I would argue, like, what you have is worse, which is a bad fucking attitude.

No, you have like all of this footage of you being an asshole.

Totally.

That's really embarrassing.

And just because Luann got arrested for her drinking doesn't mean her drinking is more problematic than Dorinda's.

Couldn't agree more.

She was really a wrong place, wrong time kind of girl.

Yeah, I guess Dorinda just like drinks in her house.

Drinks more privately.

My other main takeaway from this episode is that if I'm ever given the opportunity, I will turn down a trip planned by Dorinda Medley because she doesn't stop torturing everyone, like waking them up in the morning for the yoga.

And it's like, she made them go out the night before for Sonia's birthday, and everyone's so hungover.

And then she wants everyone up at 9 a.m.

and then they drink again.

And now she didn't go out.

So now she's waking everyone up to go to the caves.

And it's like...

Is this vacation?

Can you relax?

Here's the thing.

And I think most vacation goers need to decide: is this an active trip or is this a drinking trip?

Because it can't be both.

I agree.

Because I can't go to the caves hungover.

Leah is a stronger woman than I am.

And the way that these women don't get hungover from their drinking, it really is in your genetics.

Actually, I think actually hangovers are genetically better or worse.

And these women are just blessed with these non-destructive hangovers.

Like, if I drank as much as these women did, I would be in bed until we went to the airport.

I was like, legitimately nauseous watching them like wake up, tumble into that caravan with their pillows.

Like, it was just awful.

And Doreena was, maybe it's just that everything Doreen is doing is bothering me because that meal where she like stumbled into where Leah and Sonia were peacefully working.

How lovely.

And by the way, they were having a really interesting conversation about their businesses.

And it is nice to see them in these moments of like having their shit together.

100%.

Like Leah's at her computer talking about sales.

I would love to know more about Leah's business, by the way, because she is an entrepreneur.

I've heard of Married to the Mob.

Like it's a really cool story.

Before housewives.

Yes, I heard of it before housewives.

And it's interesting to see.

I don't need to see them being hot messes all the time.

You need to like balance out.

It's like a work hard, play hard sort of thing.

And no, I don't want to see multiple scenes of them working.

But like, there is this question hanging over all these women.

Like, where is the money coming from aside from the show?

So to see a scene where like they're actually doing

being productive and prioritizing other things, it was a change of pace and it was interesting.

And Dorinda claims to be like so on team.

Sonia like wants the best for her, like wants her to move up 100%.

And it's like, this is actually really important.

And the way they just minimize what Sonia had to do, like, how long does does it take out to send an invitation?

She's still doing that.

Like, leave her alone.

She's, this is something she's passionate about.

And maybe if Dorinda had something, a business she was passionate about, she could understand.

But she can't.

100%.

Also, and then she's like, and then she's like, oh, I have stuff to do too.

I'll go answer live with Kelly and Ryan.

Like, okay, that's what a publicist is for.

They all have publicists.

It was just such bullshit.

Such bullshit.

And she was waking them up in the morning, which, by the way, biggest pet peeve: you do not wake a sleeping person, like unless there is a fire in the home, but whatever.

Waking them up at 8:30, like running around, being so annoying, trying to get them to be together to do this yoga and then when they finally get to the table and they are all together she goes and ruins it so it's like do you want us to be together or you just want to bring us together to ruin our good time yeah she was just being so unreasonable like one people need to work first of all like they have to make a living so that's just you being unreasonable and two why ruin a perfectly good like sunrise breakfast it looked so nice and everyone was getting along yeah everyone was getting along like sure not working at the table it's not ideal but this is it's it's not like they went out to dinner one night and everyone's on their phones like it's an extended trip like people need to find pockets of time to work so that's fine and her saying like but because I do understand the principle of, like, of course, work at the table.

We have that rule in our house too.

But, like, at a certain point when we're on a long trip, like, people's got to do what they got to do.

And her saying, like, I say to Hannah, like, no work at the table.

Like, okay, yeah, that's a perfect example.

These aren't your children.

100%.

Stop treating them like it.

100%.

And Leah said it perfectly.

I agree.

Like, you're being on your phone at meals is rude, but this isn't like an organized meal.

They were sitting there first, eating breakfast from the buffet.

It was very relaxed, very casual.

And then, like, Dorinda, being sober and being that mean, it was just like eye-opening.

She's just the worst so it just set off the episode like a really bad tone for me i really was getting mad at dorinda i'm wondering if everyone else who watches the show or recaps it feels this strongly about dorinda right now people love dorinda and they've loved her since she came on and honestly i despised her when she came on so i already feel like i'm on a different planet than other people i agree um i thought one of the most interesting moments of the episode was when sonia and ramona were back in their room and they were just gossiping about how dorinda's the worst and ramona suggested you know like we should talk to her like maybe like, I don't know, maybe she's in menopause.

And Sonia, you know, every now and then, Sonia says something so profound and

feminist, she was like, well, you can't say that.

That's like asking someone if they're in a bad mood because they're on their period, which is like the rudest fucking thing.

And you know what?

She was so right.

And I never thought of it that way.

Yeah.

No, she just summed it up so perfectly and so often.

I'm glad that they didn't go in with that messaging because it would have delegitimized everything that they were trying to say because that is an offensive thing to say.

No, it's just so fucking rude.

So fucking rude.

And offensive to women who are going through menopause because not all of them are acting like Dorinda.

No, no, you can go through menopause and not be a beast, okay?

You could be a nice person.

Totally.

Okay, so then Luanne and Leah pick up those guys who are both really cute.

Obviously, one was cuter than the other.

But the other one was like still cute compared to some of the things they usually bring home.

Things.

No, yes, agreed.

Compared to some of the people who like stumble into the house at night.

Yeah.

They were both above average, very, very cute.

And I love that they met them at dinner.

And I also, again, love that Dorinda wasn't there.

It was just not the right environment for her.

No, like, she would have just been making so much fun of them.

It was

because I feel like us watching it, we're like, Dorinda's really mean the good time.

Dorinda's mean.

So to have like literal an example of that variable taken out and showing that they're having a blast, even though they did have a blast the night before for Sonia's birthday party.

Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But still, Dorinda like controlled the whole event.

That birthday party was fun, but it was like Dorinda's, it was supposed to be for Sonia, but Dorinda was controlling everything.

She was, she just bothers me so much.

But yes, I agree that it was way more fun that she wasn't there.

And I have have to say, I have been to that restaurant in Cancun.

It's these two restaurants.

Portofino is where they're at, where we're at, and then Harry's next door.

They're amazing restaurants.

Like, if you're ever in the Cancun area, go.

Because some of the places they go on Housewives, it's just like restaurants that will let them film.

Yeah.

And it's not always like the best or the prettiest or the most delicious, but it's such a good restaurant.

It was really making me, me and Ben went there.

We had a fabulous time.

No, it looked really, really good.

The women were obviously being embarrassing, like standing up and dancing.

And then that other guy stood up and danced in the middle of the restaurant with the mariachi band.

Like, I did feel like a lot of second-hand embarrassment, like, just for the people around them.

Yeah, you could see everyone in the background, like staring at them, but I also do like that they don't give two fucks.

Yeah, no, it's admirable.

And like, I feel like when you're on the show so long, like literally people just like stare at you, you're a spectacle everywhere.

You go, like, little restaurants in small Mexican towns, like you just start to not give a shit.

Yeah, and I do think a lot of the women think very highly of themselves, and they see it's very like voyeuristic.

Like, these people are watching us perform, yeah, and we're being filmed.

And I think

you get, you have this sense of like, we are the performers.

Like, we don't, we're not not like gonna judge ourselves the way an average person sitting at a table dancing might yeah no that that night just honestly looked like so much fun and all the footage they had from late night that they didn't run but they kept flashing back to like Leah making out with that guy was just like that's what it should be no that's what a girl's trip to Cancun when you're all single should be about yep now I'm just sad like no one hooked up with the other guy no he was cute yeah he was fine like I was older obviously Leah's getting the hottest one like I don't

I don't know what's the confusion.

No, I know.

I feel like in a lot of ways they like like Leah, but for that reason, like there's always going to be something about her they don't like because they used to bring home guys and like maybe Blue Ann or Ramona would get them, but now it's obviously Leah's.

Yes, but I also think they like they have a complicated relationship with her because they like having her around.

She brings up the group out.

She's bringing that guy in from the beach.

I don't know if he would have followed Ramona and Sonia.

Totally, totally.

So when Ramona walked out and there was like two guys there, and we got to see, we got to like watch her realize what was going on and like her being so excited.

It's those moments where it's like she's everything.

No, and it's those moments where like you really can't hate her that much because she just went from being like, she was obviously like in a bad mood until she walked outside and literally her life lit up.

She's lit from within.

She was lit from within.

And it's like, she knows that everyone says this stuff about her.

Like, Ramona's in heat.

Ramona's a cougar.

And someone with more self-awareness would pretend to be less excited when there's some guys around, you know, just like to try and change the narrative.

But no, she is who she is.

She's unapologetic.

And then it's, it's fucking hilarious.

I was with her the whole episode until they like randomly decided to take the opportunity to ambush Dorinda after the caves.

And first of all, the caves, like, that just did not look like my ideal day.

Like with the repelling and the long car ride and then like the lunch at a picnic table, it just like Dorinda is doing the most and she needs to stop.

Well, according to her, she needs to get them exhausted so they stay out of trouble.

But meanwhile, you are the trouble.

She needs to look in the mirror and say that.

Yeah.

Get me exhausted so I stay out of trouble.

So when they sat down for lunch, I mean, I could not literally fathom the hypocrisy of Dorinda.

Okay, by the way, I totally understand.

It's very different taking a phone call from your daughter.

You always pick it up.

Would it have been like slightly more respectful to stand up and leave the table?

Yes, but she didn't.

Once she was on the phone and found out, no, Hannah wasn't in any trouble.

She just needed to hear this thing about her new job.

Congratulations.

She just kept on.

And like, that's where I feel like the daughter card is

no more.

Yeah.

Also, take a phone call from your daughter.

You should leave the table.

If you're not going to leave the table and you're going to be rude, don't put her on speaker.

I mean, that was weird, too.

Like, the whole thing.

The whole thing was so

rude.

And then her.

And also, just like, if people are telling you, like, hey, can you take the call away from the table like it's not an opportunity to just like attack attack attack she cannot have one thing said to her that's even slightly offensive because she just fucking blows up and that's why i think ramona handled it so poorly and sonia said it best she was like what is ramona doing with these crocodile tears she's literally ruining our whole plan she's taking away from the message which was on point but the dramatics and the hysterics are leaving it room open for dorinda to like make fun of her make fun of the and the situation and delegitimize what they're trying to say even though everything that they're saying is completely right.

Like, Dorinda does go from zero to 100 and doesn't let it go, maybe like she used to.

And it's also happening not just when she's drunk, and when she's drunk, she doesn't even apologize anymore.

So, the alcohol is not even an excuse anymore.

People have let her get away with stuff for so long that she doesn't even know what saying sorry is.

Like, yeah, literally, in her soul, she's incapable.

And even though I would have liked to see Leah jump in, like, yes,

attest to what she has seen,

I respect her for not.

I do, and if it wasn't Dorinda she was defending, I would have like, and I do have like a lot of respect for her not jumping on the bandwagon.

It's very, it's very Dorit and Denise

style.

Yeah, it's so easy to like just go with the majority and just like say whatever is it fits the narrative.

And I respected her because even though she knows Dorinda's kind of crazy, Ramona has been really mean to Leah and Dorinda has had Leah's back through all the Ramona bullshit.

So for her to just like take the other girl's side and jump on Dorinda would be so like inauthentic and honestly not very Leah.

But Leah is so smart and well-spoken that some of the women, like, they have they're so messy when trying to get their point across.

If they could have used her voice, it would have helped get their message across, which I think was what Ramona was trying to say.

Like, we needed you back there, yeah.

But Leah's just not that kind of girl, and I do have to respect that, even though I would have loved to hear her chime in.

I mean,

that behavior from Dorinda, like laughing with the cell phone, walking back to the car, being an absolute sociopath, like that to me, it's like the worst type of person.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, like refusing to hear what anyone has to say about you, like thinking you are so fucking amazing and great, like no one can critique you.

Like, it was just so frustrating.

Like, your friends are upset at you, even if you don't agree with them.

You don't hear them out?

No, she doesn't.

No, she doesn't.

She really doesn't.

But I think that kind of goes for all the women.

Like, Ramona has that style.

Ramona's not evil, like, and doesn't say really evil things.

Like, she says things that are messed up, but like, she's not trying to hurt.

She just is, like, speaking her mind.

Like, when Dorinda says something mean, like, she is trying to cut you down i mean when ramuna says something mean it's like an accident for her i couldn't well she makes it seem like an accident i don't know if it actually is but no it's like she didn't know in her head that that was a mean thing to say well to me like i couldn't believe there wasn't more of an uproar from the audience like the bravo audience and even the other women when she when dorinda made that absolutely vile comment to tinsley about having a turkey based or baby yeah which is i think one of the most offensive things i've ever heard on housewives it's like and everyone laughed and just like like justice for tinsley no wonder why she ran from that fucking show dorinda was so evil to her yeah no I agree and now she's turned it on the other women and maybe someone will stop her in her tracks because now it's it's at their door and you know what maybe if they had put Dorinda in her place when it came to Tinsley earlier of course maybe now she wouldn't be they wouldn't be her next victim of course that's always how it goes so it's actually quite complicated now there's different alliances but overall I think it was a decent episode it was a decent episode but we've got to get shit together for next season like we need three new Leah's and we need to just change the narrative of the show because now all of the women are big stars They've been on the show for 10 years and they're stuck in their ways and they're not going to be told that what they did was wrong and they're sure as fuck not going to apologize.

And that's not a productive episode season of Housewives.

It's not like how the housewives ecosystem works.

So they've got to switch it up.

But it'll be interesting to see the reunion.

I really hope there's a lot of accountability for Dorinda because it's really infuriating to watch someone act this way.

Well, the good news is that since it's been such a lackluster season, Tinsley will not be joining the reunion.

There really isn't a lot to talk about.

She is at the reunion.

She is.

She is.

I saw on her Instagram, she was at OHIKA Castle.

Oh, I mean, I'm just like so beyond that.

I literally forgot.

Whatever.

All I'm saying is not a lot happened this season that they could fill a two-part reunion with.

Like, I feel like they have to devote a lot of it to Dorinda.

Yeah.

I hope at least.

I hope so, too.

Well, I liked it, and I thought it was a good episode.

I thought so too.

Okay, let's talk about Beverly Hills.

The ladies are still in Rome, and we're just getting so many more looks, so many more moments.

It was a good episode.

Honestly, I'm getting to the point where I'm like ready to china this whole conversation.

Oh, of course.

I'm ready to china this whole conversation.

I thought you were going to say you're getting to the point of ready to get back to the 90210.

Well, that too.

And it's like, yes, the trip, I feel like we've gotten as much as we can out of this trip.

We've squeezed all the juice out of it.

The ladies have lost steam in themselves.

You can see like Arcel leaving the restaurant to cry.

I know.

And I'm sure all the lady's like, girl, I've been there season one, my first season.

Yeah, my first trip.

Yeah, my first trip.

I missed my kids too.

This is insane.

It's insane.

Like Erica in Hong Kong.

Yes, she broke down.

Crazy.

So I totally get that, but it's like, I feel sad that they're leaving Rome.

I don't want them to go home, but like, I'm ready to go home and deal with, you know, we can only deal with this conversation as much as we are in Rome in like this isolated place.

Obviously, they need to bring Brandy back into the equation, which I don't agree with.

So I'm sad that Rome is over, but we got so much out of it.

I really can't complain.

Yeah, no, I agree.

I'm ready.

Like, I was like, enough with the Rome.

Like, let's get back to business.

But it's just frustrating because I feel like towards the end of the episode, we made a lot of progress in dropping this.

And then for the preview for next week, it's like, we're back in Beverly Hills.

Brandy's at the baby shower, even though she's not friends with Teddy.

like right it's just so stupid it's as if Rome never happened it's as if you know Kyle and Teddy had that conversation with Brandy and then the next week they're at the baby shower and they're talking about it with Brandy again well so this theory rumor that I don't want to give too much lie to because I don't know if it's true that that scene at Kyle's house with Teddy and Brandy was actually filmed after Rome that actually might make sense if you think about it it might the only and for me it doesn't change that much except to say that when Kyle and Brandy Teddy first heard about it, that if it was off-camera, that meant that they didn't have to bring it up in Rome.

And like, that is just so

mean that they did if they didn't have to, if it really was filmed.

But they obviously knew that she had something to say before they called her over to Kyle's house.

So I don't think the whole thing was so accidental or

coincidental.

And so for me, like, I really do feel like them bringing Brandy as a source as to what Denise said about the other women, what Denise does in her personal life, life, is just out of bounds for what the show is about.

I agree.

And we've spoken about that a lot.

Like what is considered fodder for the show, what is not.

And gossiping about your coworkers to a friend does not consider fodder.

Just doesn't count.

Having sex with your friend doesn't count either.

No, like, and also if your husband is having cheating rumors, that doesn't count.

We've made that clear.

If your husband's having legal issues, that doesn't count.

We've made that clear.

So I think the women...

They went below the belt considering the belt is really fucking high for them usually.

Yeah, and that's like last season when Camille was just going after Daredevil for her money problems.

And literally, every woman at the table, the second it came out of Camille's mouth, every woman was like, whoa, whoa, we don't go there.

Chill, chill, chill.

And it's like, where is that energy?

No, that energy is completely gone.

So let's get into the episode.

We started with a continued dinner, the second dinner in Rome where they're talking about the rumor.

Yeah, that rumor.

I mean, that dinner was pretty brutal for Denise, honestly.

Like, Lisa was really like on her high horse.

And everyone, they were just making no goddamn sense.

Like, they were so offended that brandy said um

that she had sex with a bunch of the other women according to denise like they were so mad that denise said that when that's literally what they did yeah yeah but they think that brandy's telling the truth which is so confusing because rinna said at one point like i don't know what to believe but we know rina and brandy have a really terrible past terrible and rinna and denise are friends for like 20 years so i don't understand what part of this is confusing for her oh you know who has a worse past than rina and brandy kyle and brandy right so all of a sudden they they trust Brandy as like this truthsayer.

She's the truth serum.

She's the truth serum, but they have real good friendships with Denise.

But like, I don't understand.

And Denise said this, like, why is Brandy's word stronger than mine?

I do think that a lot of like between all the different things Denise said at all the dinners, like there's inconsistencies.

And I don't.

She's a lying.

No, and sometimes I like a housewife who like, I know, won't tell a lie.

Do you know what I mean?

And like, you, once you tell a lie, you do lose that credibility.

And then everything that you say is sort of, you know, we're going to take it with a grain of salt and we'll need proof.

And Denise doesn't have that anymore.

Like, she definitely doesn't always tell the truth because, but then also she tells the truth in her confessional.

And it's like, honestly, watching the two back-to-back, it's fucking hilarious.

It's like, yeah, I'm going to say whatever I need to to get out of this dinner unscathed.

These people are annoying me.

Oh, and here's the real tea when I'm home comfortable in my house three months later.

Yes, I agree.

Her lying is so messy.

And while I think it's funny, it gives Teddy and the other women like, well, you said that last night.

And then last night you said you never spoke to her.

Right.

And then it undermines her whole story.

But then when she said the thing about Erica and she she said, like, I never said that about Erica, I swear on my mother's grave.

To me, that's like, okay, maybe you lie sometimes, but you're not lying if you're saying that.

Of course.

And if she said that, why did they just drop it?

No, and the women would not accept that.

They're like, whoa, don't say that.

Okay, wait, why can't she say that if she's telling the truth?

Right.

You know?

So, like, that's the thing about being a liar is like everything you say, no one will believe anymore.

But I do feel like if you swear on your mother's grave, someone should believe you.

Unless you swear on your mother's grave once and it turns out you were lying.

Yeah, but can I just ask, swearing on your mother's grave, like if the mother's dead, isn't that like a

victimless crime?

Like, like, if you said, I just said, I swear on my dad's life, my dad's dead, so.

Okay, no, no, no.

But, like, if you said, like, I swear on my dad's life, like, that's dead.

Those are heavy words, though.

Like, you wouldn't say that.

Of course, like, why bring my dad into death?

Right.

Why bring his life or his grave into the life?

His legacy.

Yeah, and also, it could mean like chaos for the grave if you're lying.

Oh, right, like, burning in hell or something.

Totally.

Okay, yeah.

No, that was, she, she went far, but still, like, nothing she said, the woman would have believed her.

It was just a frustrating, like, conversation.

The only one really sticking up for her was Garcelle.

And Garcelle was really being the hero of the episode for me in a lot of ways, except I did have a problem with one thing she said, which I'll get to.

But I just loved that, like, she spoke for the, literally, for the first time at that meal, and Kyle immediately cut her off, which is, I know, I'm the pot calling the kettle black, but like, I'm not on TV.

And it is so annoying how literally someone starts a sentence and Kyle's like literally up their butt and she never lets anyone speak.

And Garcelle like straight up called her out.

She was like, let me finish.

And she needed, Kyle needed to be put in her place.

Yeah, I agree.

Garcel is the friend that everyone needs.

And Garcelle's faith in Denise like makes me have more faith in Denise.

And it's like, even if Denise is lying, like, I feel okay about supporting this liar because the way she's being treated is unfair.

And it's like, it's like even when, you know,

I'm trying to think of like a proper analogy, but like sometimes it's not the way

I'm not going to be able to articulate this.

Like, it's not the message, it's the delivery.

Delivery.

Yeah, of course.

At the end of the day, I think we can all agree Denise is fully fucking lying.

But I think the way in which all the women ambushed her and set her up and spoke about this thing that was off air, below the belt, for me, it

exonerates her.

Like, I don't give a shit that she's lying.

These women are just being so mean, and they just don't fucking let it go.

And they keep saying, Denise isn't letting it go.

They're not letting it go.

Yeah, they're not letting it go.

It's going to come up at every single dinner when she finally tries to put it to bed.

Like, then it's like, we didn't get to talk.

You talked all night.

Oh, no, that wasn't talked all night.

That meal was frustrating because, like, finally, Denise speaks.

She literally didn't say anything at all these meals.

And then the last one, she finally says her piece, and she's not letting anyone speak.

She's silencing the group.

Like, are you kidding?

And you know what?

The group cares more, in my opinion, about finding the truth about brandy more so than the truth about the gossip.

Like, they don't even care about the shit she allegedly spoke about them, like, Teddy and Erica.

They care so much about finding the truth about the sex.

And that's so fucked up because it's none of their business.

Yeah.

No, I actually kind of feel the opposite.

Like, they also care.

Like, they think that if the sex part is true,

it means that what she said about them is also true.

But here's the thing.

And I actually don't think that that's the case because the way Denise explained it, like, Brandy said they seemed like she just agreed, which technically doesn't make either of them a liar because, yes, Denise did not say those things.

But Brandy's not lying either.

And I actually think that's might have maybe what happened.

Like, Brandy was just like talking about the women with her.

Denise, like, yeah, yeah, like, who, why are you going to defend, like, Teddy to a stranger when it's, like, I'm just getting through a conversation?

No, also, I genuinely in my soul don't think that denise gives a shit enough about any of these women to like start talking shit about them like these are people she works with i don't think she thinks too hard and long about them that when she's off camera in her free time she's spending time gossiping about these women who she's known for less than two years no but i do think brandy does of course because brandy's whole life is this show right and she's not even on it yeah

um

Then they move over to the club and like things get so weird and Lisa's like, does anybody want to air anything out?

And Garcelle brings up what I think was like one of the most inappropriate questions.

And like I just didn't get why she said it or what the point of her saying it and she like asked a question without an actual question basically just stating if lisa thinks that lisa dancing on instagram with her body out on you know in bathing suits has contributed to her um daughter's very public battle with anorexia and like whether or not anyone thinks there's validity to that like i just thought it was first of all so random like what are you talking about and two um like kind of really

up okay i get why you think that and i don't feel as strongly about it as you do because i feel like the women keep saying let's be honest Let's be honest.

How do you feel?

Let's have a real honest conversation.

So Garcelle brought up something that she has feels has a question about.

She was being honest.

And yeah, it was kind of like offensive and not totally

PC, but she was being honest.

So do you want everyone to be honest or you want everyone to be non-offensive?

That's fair.

I just like, I think Garcell is better than that.

Like I have high hope.

Like I hold her to a high state.

But like, okay, but think about it from this way.

Like Garcelle comes into this group.

I think she's making like a decent friendship with Rina, but she does have this lingering question about her.

Like she does post these videos on Instagram.

Her daughter is battling an eating disorder.

And like this is a person who you're becoming close friends with.

And you have this lingering question and everybody wants you to be honest.

Yeah, no, I'm not agreeing with you.

I just think it crossed the line.

I agree that watching it on TV,

it doesn't feel totally right to have asked that question, but I feel like being in...

putting yourself in their shoes, it's like not as crazy.

I just didn't like it.

It read me the wrong way.

And I think Garcelle can and will do better.

Okay, so we shouldn't be honest then.

We shouldn't be be honest, we shouldn't be honest about like things that are that we're wondering, okay.

Kyle's really like the queen of Be Honest.

No, Bryna is, yeah, even Doreen, her confessional was like, We just want to have real honest conversations.

I can't stop, no, and so no, that's what everyone always says: be authentic, own it, okay, but be honest, be honest, yes, but Lisa's not lying, no, but it's like, here's something that I find troubling about you, and I'm gonna be honest about it.

See, I don't, I don't agree, like

we're not gonna agree.

No, you want us to be honest, but not too honest.

Let's fuck up with the honesty, no, no, no, no, but like, if you watch all the seasons back, like, that is the, the, the thread.

The token word.

They want Denise to be honest.

Like, so Garcelle's like, oh, yeah, being honest, here's something that I find confusing.

I feel you.

I just don't, I don't like it.

I understand.

It wasn't, it wasn't comfortable to watch.

And, like, I, if I were Garcel, I wouldn't have said it.

Of course.

But I'm just trying to make you see, like, it didn't just come out of nowhere.

Which is what it felt like.

It felt like that.

It did feel like that.

Okay, whatever.

The next morning, everyone, like, splits up into weird pairs.

And the only pair worth discussing is Denise's lunch with Lisa, even though it wasn't lunch because they didn't eat, and they were just like sitting at a restaurant with plastic water bottles.

I think it was a hotel lobby, which is like where you sit on a vacation.

It was really interesting.

I mean, I've honestly been mad at Lisa Rinna.

Like, I feel she Lisa Rina, you're the bad guy in this story.

100%.

Like, she really.

When do we get to that line?

I don't know.

I need to get there soon.

Lisa was being a bad friend to Denise.

She didn't warn her.

She didn't back her up.

Like, literally at any turn, she could have helped her friend.

Like, she chose not to.

No, and also, Denise is saying, like, you didn't have my bag.

You didn't have my back.

It's like, not only did she not have your your back she was going the hardest at you at the table if you don't like it get out of here you know not only did she not have your back but she stabbed you in the back she was the one holding the knife yeah it was rinna in the restaurant with the knife no it's so true and honestly denise is a bigger person than i am because like i feel of all the things like teddy bringing this up was like really low but like Teddy and Denise don't get along.

Teddy doesn't owe Denise anything.

Lisa Rinna and Denise have like this lifelong friendship that's like, you're throwing it all down the drain.

I was really, really disappointed.

And I love that Denise forgave her.

And I did think that Lisa Reiner was really genuine in her breakdown.

Okay, so I loved the conversation.

I love that Denise laid it all out there and like just let her know like, I'm her.

What are you doing?

You're my friend.

Like you're supposed to have my back.

What is this?

What is this betrayal?

Right.

And then like, I really did like that Rina was

apologetic and so upset and realizing what she had done.

But then I'm like sitting there watching this.

I'm like, I'm watching two actresses.

Like, yes, what?

Yes.

What is real about this?

I don't know.

They're both good actresses.

I felt like I was watching a soap opera when Reno was like, what have I done?

I just haven't been myself lately.

No, I'm like.

It's literally a script from the young and the restless.

Yeah, no, it literally feels like days of our lives.

So that part is that, that's when I'm just like, this is why we shouldn't have actresses on our reality television.

It's extremely misleading, but I think the genuineness.

I, the optimist in me is going to take it as genuine, but the cynic in me is just like, are we acting?

Well, you know what?

And I'm asking Atlis's ability to recognize the fact that she hasn't been been a good friend and admit it has to be real.

That's true.

Like, even if she doesn't feel so sorry, at least she knows that she was wrong.

And I do really appreciate when someone can just say they're wrong, apologize, and move on.

Like, like we said in our previous recap, like Dorinda could really learn something from this instance.

And so I will take that.

But

I did have this moment of like, I'm watching actresses on reality TV.

Are they acting?

It was meta.

It was confusing for me.

It was confusing.

So that was like a good meal, and I felt good about it.

But what I didn't like was that Lisa Renna then met up with Kyle and Doreet after their sidecar thing to like talk about.

And the way she portrayed the conversation that she had just had was not the conversation I watched.

That's not what I was going to say.

Okay.

Was like she was basically explaining how she feels she's been a bad friend.

And Kyle like was literally arguing against it.

She was like, no, but like Denise needs to be honest.

Like she was just.

like trying to revert Lisa back into the place she was in last night.

Yeah.

When Lisa can't had to come to Jesus moment, Kyle did not.

And she was trying to drown Lisa with her.

Yeah.

And I do think for Rena, like, she is kind of a sponge.

And so when she's talking to Denise, she sees Denise's side and she's there and she feels it.

And then she's talking to Kyle and she's like, oh yeah, well, she wasn't honest.

And she's there and she feels that too.

Kind of like how she described going to all those different churches with the families on the street.

That is literally what she's doing.

She does what's popular.

Yeah, she just is like, wherever she is, there she is.

Yeah.

Whoever she's with, that's who she is.

She's like Cameron Westcott from Dallas, who just nods every time someone's talking to her.

So like it feigns agreement.

No, but then Cameron Westcott doesn't go out and pick up the bat and start swinging.

No, of course not.

She's too classy for that.

No, but she just absorbs it all as a, but like, she doesn't regurgitate the information.

Yes, you're right.

Lisa's easily persuaded and like

her mind is easily molded by others.

Yes, but then she also is such a force in the group.

So it is this interesting, I guess, not one person is ever just so one-dimensional.

Yeah.

You know, and she can be all of those things.

But we finally get to the dinner, like them talking about going to eat pizza and then like getting dressed up with their pizza looks.

And that authentic Italian restaurant was giving me life.

I absolutely have this like

overwhelming desire to go to Roma.

Yeah.

You know, Roma backwards is amor.

It's beautiful.

That means love, Claudia.

It does?

Yeah.

Thank you.

I know you're from New Jersey.

So I don't know, that cherry.

But I need to go to Roma.

I need to go to that restaurant.

Like, I need to sit at that table and I need to eat that pizza, drink that wine.

And that's really like number one on my travel list for when we can go places.

Yeah, I also need to go to the restaurant that...

Dorit and Kyle ate at after their side part thing and get the spaghetti that Kyle was eating, the Pomodoro.

It looked so good.

That pasta looked insane.

I actually think it might have been at their hotel, like the restaurant at their hotel, because Renna just like walked in.

Maybe, yeah.

Also, Claudia and I, when we were watching together, like we were dead over church.

Oh my god, that was so precious.

That like church was just the answer to all of their quandaries.

And you know, we speak about that sometimes, how it's like, sometimes you feel so lost within yourself and like you don't know what to do.

Like you just pray.

No, you just like turn to God.

And he's always there for you.

And I think that's beautiful.

Unless you didn't buy a ticket previously, you can't get in.

That was so funny how they low-key didn't even go to church, but I think the sentiment was there and God felt it.

Right.

And they, they, as Sutton said, it was church by osmosis.

And I think that they needed to even just at least realize that they needed church.

It was a big step.

I really liked the church crew.

Like, I liked everything about that scene.

It was a good day.

I'd like that even Teddy and Erica went to the spa together, even though, like, I couldn't talk about the children.

What the fuck did they talk about?

More opposite people talking about Thanksgiving.

Like, that's so relatable.

Soon they'll be talking about the weather.

Nota and the chef at Thanksgiving.

But really quickly, the only real note I had about

the final dinner was how pleased and happy I felt like Arcel.

Like I I was proud of Denise for finally sticking up for herself.

And I just found it comical, like, truly laughable that these women took such offense, like deep offense to her calling them mean girls when, like, they have literally started one of the most like

family, like, life-ruining rumors about Denise.

Now, they're now, pot!

Hi, get the kettle.

I'm back.

Um, I totally agree, and I didn't really understand it, but I think that they have the sensitivity to that word because last season, like, the world called them mean girls about Lisa Vanderpump.

So, denise saying that they're mean girls confirms that they were mean girls last season too and i think they all feel like they're in a really good place with what happened last season and like they were all on the same team so for denise to turn it around and be like no you guys are mean girls it sort of like undoes the narrative from last season now with this denise story i have a question for you of all the women who do you think has been like the most like involved almost and like the like who's to blame like when denise says mean girls who was she talking about first on the list say it on the count of three One, two, three.

Kyle.

Yes.

Okay, we're because she's being so sneaky about it.

She's having, she's literally become Lisa Vannerpump having Teddy do her work for her.

I agree.

Now let's do number two on the list.

Wait, let me think.

Let me think.

Okay.

One, two, three.

Teddy.

Teddy actually said it, so I guess like she has to be held accountable.

But I feel like in a lot of ways, like Teddy owes Dura, Teddy owes Denise nothing.

Agreed.

But I think when

Denise and Teddy sit down,

they can't talk about anything other than it when denise and rena sit down they they can get to like the heart of the issue and and have a real conversation i do think rina is third on the list of mean girls and then i guess erica and sutton are tied for fourth i don't think sutton's really involved actually it would be erica's fourth sutton's fifth to read sixths garcelle is seventh like in the list of who's yes who's being the most antagonistic towards her but and i don't think erica and sutton are involved either but when you're sitting around a table two people are kyle and teddy are going hard at you another is backing them up rinna and Erica and Sutton are nodding along.

You've got a panel of mean girls.

Agreed.

Or at least that's how it feels.

And I think that in the moment, they didn't feel like they were being mean girls because they're stating facts as far as they're concerned.

And you know what?

They might be facts, but like...

And by the way, this group is very rooted in facts and honesty.

Right.

But the way that I felt, I feel like the way Denise felt when she said, what are these girls are trying to ruin my life?

Like, what are they doing?

What is the point of this?

And that's what I get.

Sure, it's facts, but like, are you trying to ruin a woman's life?

That's a good point.

Like, what is the point of it?

Like, they're, they're dying on this hill of, like, the point of finding out the truth about the sex thing is so that we can find out if you did a couple months ago say this mean stuff about me to your friend in private like it just to me it's like the risk is not worth the reward yeah ruining denise's life just so we can find out if for once and for all she did say teddy lives in the shadow of her father's image or whatever yeah

Whatever.

I feel bad for Denise.

I'm looking forward to next week.

I obviously I'm like dreading Brandy coming because like I'm really over this narrative.

I really am.

Yeah, and and also like I do want to see Brandy and Denise talk because when Brandy says something, I'm like, oh my God, Brandy's telling the truth.

Brandy doesn't lie.

Then Denise says, and I'm like, I'm with Denise.

So I want to see the two of them talk and then see how I feel.

I am with Denise.

Like, and is that an unpopular?

Okay, so I've looked at it a little, but since we're not watching in real time, I haven't been looking at Twitter.

But when I was like a few weeks ago, I think people on Twitter agree with us that like the women are being mean, but we never agree with people on Twitter.

So like, right.

Are we in the majority of the minority?

I can't tell.

I think like we're always in the mind.

We are the minority.

That is who we are.

And I think that we are agreeing with the majority right now, which makes me feel like we're wrong.

I love that.

You, you, I think.

No, I love like agreeing with people.

It's everything.

Okay, but I'm sure people will disagree with us.

Actually, I feel like, I don't know, but then I also feel like a lot of people are just like living for the gossip.

And like, and Denise needs to own up.

And like, this is our first season with Atlisa Vanderpump, and it's just as good.

Yeah, so I don't know.

We'll see what happens.

But it was a great episode.

It was a great episode.

Obviously, honorable mention to dorit's off-white look in the vespa i'm so glad they went vespaing and that that look did not go to waste i've been loving her little flipped hair her pizza outfit was also sickening sickening a little tweety moment and erica's pizza outfit was beautiful stunning and smart and just such a concept she really is like conceptualizing these looks from start to finish hair makeup accessories clothes it's really something beautiful to see it's beautiful to see and also garcelle's church look everything of the sort and when garcel was walking to church with sutton in her cute little church look and they had matching umbrellas to their outfits, it was just a beautiful little moment.

I hope I hope they got a photo.

You absolutely love to see it.

I do love to see it.

I love to see an umbrella matching an outfit.

And speaking of things I'd love to see, we must talk about Potomac.

If I'm being honest, it was not my favorite episode.

I didn't really feel like anything happened.

Even at the end, which is like obviously always supposed to be the climax.

To me, the most shocking moment of the episode was when Sharice walked in because they didn't share that in the preview and I was really like shook by it.

I feel like they did share that Sharice was coming.

And yes, Sharice's entrance was shocking, but the way that everyone handled her was just like made me so happy.

I really do not like Sharice.

I never have.

I don't think I ever will.

And now that obviously I ride with Monique and no place else, now I have cause to not like Sharice.

And I just love that Monique stood up and walked out because that's truly what you do when you hate someone.

You don't even fight with them.

They are not worth your time.

You will not give them an iota of energy or energy.

And you just get up and walk out.

And that is how you treat a real enemy, like off show, off camera.

And the fact that Cherise isn't a cast member means that Monique doesn't have to sit down and take it.

And Monique is not about to make her a cast member.

No, not at all.

Exactly.

I also think that the editing was really on point when Cherise walked in because for me, Cherise kind of represents like ghosts of housewives past.

Like she was on when Matomi was so new and like I just don't even remember her.

Like she has this ghostly spirit to her and literally the editing and the music, like she was casper like a ghost just rolling in the party and i was just so shocked to see her i really that was like the i felt a lot of emotions when she walked in okay because i recently watched all the seasons of potomac like i am more familiar with charis but like every franchise has a charice yes someone who was in the early seasons jills aaron who did no but jills aaron is like part of new york city canon like she like charice to me is like closer technically so is charis no no no no like Sharice is closer to Alex McCord, where it's like, why were you even on the show?

You were on the show for longer than you deserve to be.

Yes.

And now you're coming up here and there, and I don't enjoy it.

Alex McCord was here, and then she was gone.

Sharise is a ghost who's haunting the Potomac streets.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm trying to, like, Cherise is kind of like Adrian Malouf.

Yes, yes, yes.

And because when you think of the time Adrian Malouf spent on Housewives, and you think of the time Cherise spent on Housewives, it seems like an eternity ago.

Yeah, not for me, because I just watched them all.

Yeah, but yes, I understand how you feel.

But so, this is how I feel about this episode because there's not much to think.

But, like, obviously, the main fight of the group is Ashley and Candace.

And the way that they're fighting, like, is reminding me of season one when Ashley used to fight with Karen.

And, like, Karen would just say to Ashley, like, you're a child.

Talk to me when you have a child, like, a kid, and you're mature.

And that's what I feel about Ashley and Candace now.

Like, Candace is so immature.

And now, Ashley is a mother.

Yeah.

And she's just, like, on a different like wavelength.

and I really do feel like for the housewives who have who are like raising children right now like they just have so much on their plate that they don't like go after every little thing like Candace does yeah Ashley seems like so disinterested like if she makes up with Candace great if not she like doesn't care it seems like her life is now full of other things yeah and it's no longer a priority I feel like when she first came on the scene like her job was to make everyone like her or be a part of the narrative and like cause fights she was so messy and nitpicky and she used to like air everyone's dirty laundry and repeat things that people said and just start fights and stir the pot because really that was like what she had going on yeah and now that's candace yeah and ashley has become to me like more similar to karen where it's like i had like ashy will just do anything to protect this child from the rest of the world yeah germ wise but it also includes like this energy of her fighting with people that she doesn't care to fight about also i will say that Candace didn't invite Ashley to her lame ass one-year anniversary party, like a party that meant absolutely nothing to her.

So lame.

But the fact that Ashley invited Candace into her home after the horrible things that Candace said about her, and you and I watched it and we paused the tweets and read all of the tweets.

And like, if anybody said those types of things about me, like not only would I never speak to them again, but I get, I understand that she has to, but to invite her into her house when she's been nothing but completely nasty, even at the dinner, like so reluctantly apologizing.

And yes, maybe Ashley has things to apologize for, but you go first, Candace, because your apology is bigger.

And it's more necessary.

I totally agree.

To let someone who has really disrespected you and your family and your baby into your house with your baby is Ashley's a bigger person than I am.

But that's also why Ashley is a top-notch housewife because she, like, she's the definition of dishing it out and taking it.

Yeah.

She goes so hard stirring the pot, repeating what everyone said.

Literally, people are talking about Candace.

Five minutes later, Candice walks in and Ashley's like, I wanted to tell you what we were all saying about you.

Yeah.

But then when it comes to her, she is very quick to like understand this is the nature of the game and she lets Candice into her house and she doesn't really hold a grudge, which I think is really respectable.

She really owns it.

Yeah.

My favorite part of the episode and one that made me feel a deep feeling of discomfort was Giselle's birthday party on the boat, which honestly, like I am rooting so hard for Jamal and Giselle.

And like I just want their family to be happy.

And I find it so shocking that their kids aren't like so gung-ho on their parents getting back together.

When Giselle was like, I saw parent trap.

I thought all kids of divorce want their parents to get back together.

It's a dream.

It's a fairy tale.

And I totally agreed with her.

And that dinner was just like, I was trying so hard to like not feel uncomfortable, but it was just so deeply uncomfortable.

And I just, I understand their kid, that her kids have their like qualms about their relationship, but to this day, they're still together.

So I feel like there's something there.

And I trust Giselle.

I don't think she would have gotten back into a bad relationship.

No, and like definitely things are going to get better.

Maybe just some growing pains for the family, but having to watch it on the show was just like so awkward.

And you could see that Giselle was like really trying to like make it seem like good and funny and fun.

And then like in her confessional, she's like, that was not fun.

No, it was, it was terrible and it looked so nice i know and like there were a few things that were just so that that just didn't land like the surprise of course like at first when jamal says he has a surprise like is he moving back to potomac that's what i thought is he proposing like there are so many surprises is it nicky minaj tickets so cute No, he bought them a restaurant.

Which, by the way, like as a parent.

As an adult, I can realize that that's an amazing gift to a child.

That's like, you know, when Kanye gave Kim stocks for her birthday, like, what's a better investment than that?

Right.

But when you're a kid, it's like, oh, so we're not going to Nick Minaj?

Right, but you know, that restaurant looked pretty fire when they showed us a picture of the inside.

They look like they have a mean breadbasket.

Yeah, but that was just like a weird gift to give

to the kids on TV at Giselle's birthday.

And then even when the girls went to the bathroom and Giselle and Jamal were talking, it was like

contentious a little bit.

Like, I can't be happy without you.

And like, maybe they were just getting comfortable in front of the camera.

Yeah.

But I just thought when Giselle and Jamal like were going to be on TV together, having like a romantic sunset cruise, it was going to be everything of the sort.

Yeah, it didn't give me what i needed when the kids got up i'm like great now they're gonna kiss but they didn't even embrace yeah now we get to see them together being romantic we haven't seen them together since like season one when they had lunch as divorced couple and it just like wasn't what i thought it was gonna be i just need to give props because she looked so amazing finally her outfits you guys her outfit on the boat was top notch and her glam was everything and that that almost saved the night Speaking of an outfit I really enjoyed, I thought Karen looked phenomenal at the baby shower.

I loved her blonde curls.

I loved her Fendi romper.

I think she looked stellar and she, she from season one, and nobody has had a bigger glove in housewives history than Miss Karen Huger.

Yeah, no, she did look great.

Karen was really quiet this episode and she's only chiming in to defend Candace.

And I understand like that's who Karen is.

And like Monique and Candace are her closest friends in the group and like she will never gang off and she will always defend even when like The viewers might think that she's wrong, but that's why we love and respect Karen.

Yeah.

And also who looked phenomenal was Monique at the sip and seeing

the yellow neon dress moment with the bag that Sutton gave the women in Beverly Hills.

Just like

so sickening, so stunning, beautiful, smart, everything of the sort.

Has to go record her podcast.

A related queen.

We love a podcast queen.

We love a podcast queen and her just getting up and dismissing Cherise to me is the biggest power move.

No drama, like literally, just she's there and then she's gone.

Like I'm not going to even give you a sound bite.

Good day, sir.

I said good day.

Yeah.

I want to talk about Wendy because it's really tough.

I feel like she's coming off as Candace's friend.

And Candace is like kind of the villain.

And I actually respect her for not just sitting by quietly, for getting involved in defending her friend who she doesn't know any of these women.

She doesn't know the history.

She owes her friend, you know, the respect of having her back.

But my God, like, I want to like her.

But every time she speaks, it's about defending Candace.

So much of what Candace does and says is indefensible, but I did find her home life really, really interesting.

Her two kids, who I think are twins.

I think they're twins.

They're so cute.

Are so cute.

I found her background fascinating, four degrees, like insane.

I think there's a lot to unpack.

I enjoyed watching her home scenario, which is big.

Like,

I find home stuff to be.

Home stuff can go really either way, but I really enjoyed her home moments, and that bodes well for her.

But I agree, like, we need to get away from Candace.

And it's frustrating because if we loved Candace and she was being unfairly ganged up on, and this friend came in to have her back.

Love Wendy.

A la Leah and Tinsley.

A la Garcelle and Denise.

We would love her.

But unfortunately, like she's going down on this Candace ship.

But she needs her own storyline because when she was at home and removed from the Candace situation, I was like, this woman's fabulous.

Yeah.

But every time she's in the group setting, she's just blindly defending her friend, which I appreciate, but her friend is so wrong.

I know.

I need more Wendy narratives with, I need Wendy, like this Wendy and Karen thing is going to be fascinating.

I agree.

And I understand that these things take time, like for relationships to like start to have these sorts of dynamics.

But this was episode three, and I still don't feel like I know where Wendy is going to fit into this group.

Yeah.

And the clock is ticking is all I'm saying.

Like, it's not over, like, obviously she has time, but the clock is starting to tick.

It is weird that, like, that was the first, we got one last week, a small one, but this was like the big, her first big home piece for Wendy.

And I feel like episode three is kind of late.

Yeah, I guess.

But I feel like now I'm ready to like learn more about her.

And now that I know more about her background and her home life, I want to like see more.

See how that plays out with the women.

And just right now, even if she's like going to lunch with them one-on-one or whatever, like it's just not happening.

Obviously, like next week, I mean, if I were her, this is what I would do, which it seems like maybe she does is like go to lunch with Karen, be like, Why are you always pretending like you don't know me?

What's the tea there?

I need to know.

And then Karen will be like, I'm not impressed.

But why wasn't she impressed?

Of course, we're going to find, we're going to get to the bottom of it.

Karen's so annoying when she does shit like that, you know?

I know, but then she always delivers.

Yeah, so maybe she's holding on to some receipt, something about Wendy.

She's just waiting for like the Candace Ashley stuff to blow over.

Yeah.

But it's like, I just don't know how Ashley can leave her own sip and see, walk down the street and have a conversation with this woman who called her all those names with her concubine allowance to buy a Forever 21 bag.

Like, I can't.

Yeah, I'm just really not into Candace.

And I feel like slowly but surely, she just has no alliances in the group anymore.

And I'm afraid that might result in her not being on the show anymore because you can be a part of the drama all you want.

But if at the end of the day, you don't have any connections with the women, like no one's going to take you one-on-one to lunch.

Like that unfortunately means you're irrelevant to the show.

Yeah, but right now she's cool with Karen

and Wendy.

So I'm not worried about that for her, but I just need to see some character development and stop with these like fake storylines.

We're going to shop for an outfit for Chris's niece.

Oh, and Chris's daughter.

Right.

And while we're here, let's get a gift for Ashley.

It's so calculated.

Yeah.

Like, we're still in 2007.

We've been watching reality T for almost 20 years.

We're better than this.

Make it more believable.

I couldn't agree more.

You think we're done with the Potomac Potomac recap?

I think we're done with the Potomac Recap.

I just think it's worth saying now that we're officially done with it.

We did not mention Robin once.

And I think that speaks volumes about Robin's place on the show.

I know, but you know what?

I kind of like Robin as like this constant.

Like, I still want, okay, this is what I want from like the Robin in my life.

Yeah.

I don't want any home scenes of her and Juan.

Agreed.

I want her.

I want her to be a friend of Housewife truly.

Like, I want her to be at the events because like when she does chime in, it's like, she's really just a spectator.

And I actually think she has really good judgment and is like

a good person so I just do like to hear what she has to say which side she's on yeah like when she jumped in at the dinner for Ashley and and Candace was like shut up Robin shut the fuck up is what she said that's the worst when someone literally tells you to shut up and you're like I'm not gonna shut up and then

you get into like that backed into that corner of like I'm gonna shut up I'm gonna shut up you shut up

she's just like it's sad I you know what I know you like you used to not like her and I know I don't like her but I I don't have enough cause to dislike her.

I have always had a very soft spot in my heart for her.

One, because I just like her friendship with Giselle.

I think it's so genuine and real.

And two, that she has a very peaceful aura.

There's something calming about her voice.

But at this point, it's like, I legitimately forget she's there.

And that's not good.

No, it's not good.

I think that your idea of her being a friend of Housewife is actually perfect.

Because that's really what she is right now.

And I wouldn't even mind if she still holds the champagne glass, like, because she might live with ballers, but she does not get played no even though it seems like every episode she's getting played she's really getting played yeah sometimes like she just brings like this fun energy she doesn't take too much away from the show and she doesn't take anything so seriously like she is she's a great person on a trip yes i agree she's trying to go swimming like she's got yeah yeah i totally agree with you but yes it is interesting that we didn't mention her once not one single time not one single time but next week she's the one who repeats to giselle that candace called her a monster and like that that's actually what we need That's the beef that we need right now: Candace versus Giselle, because I do feel like Candice versus Monique, it's like kind of boring.

One, two, they're like, they're, they were too close of friends that now it's like,

I don't, I just don't, she, Candice says Monique's different off-camera, and like, I can't attest to that.

I don't know what she's like off-camera, right?

And that's annoying when people bring that up, yeah.

So, I feel like Giselle is the one who could maybe put Candice in her place, which is what she needs.

I don't think she needs to be like off the show yet or anything, but she is just so brazen

and I find it to be uncalled for.

Like, she really goes hard 100% with every single fight, whether it's big or small, or she's wrong or right.

And there needs to be levels.

Like, she needs, she's the definition of she needs to pick her battles.

Yeah, no, you can't be like bent out of shape over every little thing.

No, you cannot.

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And let's dive right in.

Hi, Claudia and Jackie.

Thank you for being the brightest light in my day.

And now week.

You're welcome.

I love you both so much.

I need serious help.

Oh, I'm sorry.

My family hates my boyfriend, and I don't know what to do.

We've been together in a serious relationship for two years.

We just got back from vacation and they all literally bickered the entire time and got him on the smallest things like drinking the last beer, eating too many snacks.

Oh my god that's so mean.

I love my family dearly and I'm very close to them so it's breaking my heart.

They confronted me saying he isn't nice to me.

He gives me backhanded comments.

He's cheap and they just don't like him and cannot see me marrying such a person.

My mom told me specifically that if I continue to date him and she doesn't see him change for the better, I should break up with him or she will lose respect for me.

I'll be honest, my boyfriend can sometimes be brutal.

He's very logical and won't do things unless he's 100% believes in them, and he's very opinionated and vocal, as is my family.

I think that sometimes he can hurt my feelings with the things he says.

They're not derogatory or abusive, just small stuff.

But deep down, I don't think he means to be harsh.

He's 26 and makes six figures, but his excuse for not spending a lot of money is that he's trying to pay off his debt and save for a house, which I obviously respect, even though it can be annoying sometimes.

I know he cares about me and loves me, but now my family is making me question everything to the point that I can't even speak to anyone and I've isolated myself completely.

Am I in too deep to realize what he's doing?

How do I tell my boyfriend boyfriend that my family hates him?

I feel like there needs to be a conversation, but I don't want it to be constructive and not, I want it to be constructive and not mean.

I just don't know where to start.

Please help a conflicted toaster.

That's so tough.

It is so tough, but I feel like part of you should like listen to your family.

Like your family genuinely wants what's best for you and is able to see things from a totally like outside perspective.

And you might think they're being harsh, but they might see like really problematic patterns.

Yeah, I think that you're so close to it that what they're seeing, you obviously wouldn't see because you see it through your own lens.

And I think you really need to process what they're saying and like know that they're seeing something they're not, unless you have just a family who likes to start stuff.

But I think most parents and siblings would want what's best for you.

And it seems like the things that they're saying are like taking the last beer like in a family when you're just the boyfriend like is kind of selfish and like you should you should ask first.

And no, like when you're still like trying to ease your way into the family, like you do have that sort of decorum.

I mean, that's obviously not a deal.

When you're also a guest, you get the last beer.

But, like, him being cheap and stuff and or being mean to you, like, if your family is seeing that, then you need to really consider it.

I will also say that maybe you consider these things and you realize that you don't see it that way and you love him and he's, he's, he's great.

And you, one, do not tell him that they don't like him.

Don't, you take that shit with you to the grave.

And you just will have to live.

There will be a weird dynamic.

And hopefully, over time, like, everyone starts to mesh better.

And I do think that that would happen.

but it's something that you're gonna have to deal with that your family doesn't like your boyfriend but you love him and you're gonna stick up for him and and you think he's a great guy and you just need to be really sure of that to have like the the courage of your convictions yeah because it can be really hard tiresome to constantly defend this person if they're not worthy of your defense I would also just genuinely listen to your family first.

Like be really honest with yourself.

Take that time and really hear what they're saying.

But if you do come to the conclusion that they're out of line and that is not the reality of the situation, you need to be prepared that it's going to be like really fucking annoying for you.

Our next year toasters is quite the turn.

I'm sorry to, you know, make such a drastic turn, but it's quite shocking.

Okay.

Hi, Jackie and Claudia.

Hi.

How are you, Dern?

I'm nervous now.

I need help and I don't feel comfortable asking my friends, so please help me.

Okay.

My boyfriend of three years has generally been someone who prefers to masturbate instead of having sex.

I've always thought it was kind of weird, but I just kind of shook it off.

I was cleaning the other day and found a bag with his sex toys open underneath the pile of towels.

I kid you not, there was a big dildo in that bag and it has me shook.

Why would a boy have a dildo?

Is this weird?

Does this mean he's gay?

I have absolutely no idea how to bring this up to him and I'm kind of thinking that I shouldn't.

Please give me all your thoughts.

Love you so much.

I mean, a conversation must be had.

I mean, it's one thing if you guys are not aligning sexually in your relationship, but if there's like a whole thing that he's hiding that he's into and he doesn't feel comfortable sharing with you.

I actually was having this conversation

a while ago with friends about pegging

when a girl wears a strap on and does anal with a boy?

Yeah, puts him in the ass.

What did you say?

And whether or not you think that that's gay.

And everyone was sharing their opinion.

So I actually think that this is really interesting.

And so everyone kind of felt like differently about the situation, but I don't necessarily feel like that that means that you know that he's gay.

But like if that is what he's into, maybe he doesn't feel comfortable yet sharing that with you.

But like there is a way for you to participate in that with him

if you're comfortable with that.

So I do feel like definitely a dialogue needs to be had and it might bring you to a place where like you're going to be having more sex, something that he's into.

But please make sure that it's something that you're comfortable with too and not something that you're just doing to please your boyfriend.

To like save the relationship.

Yeah.

But I obviously, you know, you guys need to talk about this.

I would also be very sensitive how you broach a subject because he doesn't want to feel like you were rifling through its things or you're being judgmental because he's been keeping a secret.

It's obviously something.

that he has a little shame associated with.

Yeah, but I don't think it's like because he never wanted you to find out.

Maybe he didn't know how to bring it up to you.

So I do think that if you guys want to move your relationship forward and you should be having sex and enjoyable sex for the both of you, like this is something that you guys will have to talk about at some point.

And I think it's good that you found it.

You should be prepared and bring it up and also decide if that's something that you would be comfortable with.

I think it's extremely personal and it would be different for everyone.

Yeah, but if you want to get get down and dirty, do it.

Do it.

Do it.

Fuck them in the ass.

Those are our dear toasters.

Again, deartoasters at gmail.com.

Always, we'll keep it anonymous for you.

Feel free to write in.

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I think we are very reasonable people.

You know, honesty is the best policy unless your parents hate your boyfriend, in which case, shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up.

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But someone who we don't want to shut the fuck up is our next guest.

We're so excited.

Please enjoy our amazing, hilarious interview with the one and only wonderful Emma Chamberlain.

and we'll see you guys next week.

Bye.

Welcome back millennials and more specifically Gen Zers because we are so excited to be joined by a true icon and someone we talk about here a lot on the morning toast, the one, the only Emma Chamberlain.

Hi Emma.

Hi, thank you guys for having me.

We're so excited.

The pleasure is all ours.

It's such a pleasure.

And the pleasure really belongs to our little sister.

So we don't want to ambush you,

but our little sister would literally like slit our throats in our sleep if she didn't like join and say hi.

She is literally your number one fan.

I literally was like, this guy really made it sound like she was 11.

So I was like, this is her nanny.

Oh my God.

Oh my god.

Her name is Margo.

We call her Snitch and we call her Snitch Chamberlain.

She loves you and she just looks up to you and she would like be so mad at us if we didn't let her get in the zoo.

Well, I would be mad too.

It's so nice to meet you three this is the best day of my life stamp like this is this is the best day of her life you crying when you got your hair cut in your youtube video like i have laughed about that for every day since since i've seen it since i've seen it same same

she loves the blonde

me too i'm so glad that i finally found a hair color that didn't make me look like um a harry potter character so i'm feeling really good about that You look great.

I feel like I've been following you a lot in quarantine, and I think you're one of the people who's actually thriving in quarantine.

honestly i kind of agree in the beginning i was like this is awful i don't know what to do whatever but now this is like the best thing that's ever happened to me and i love not hanging out with anybody and i love the self-discovery and like i'm learning how to do my makeup i mean it's been good like i don't

you look good thank you And I get to like go outside, you know, a little bit here and there, like sit in the sun, I guess.

I mean, it it hasn't been the worst for me.

I feel like I'm making it through in a good way.

That's good.

So

have you learned any new skills?

Well, I have been trying to like, I mean, I've had so much time, right?

So let's say when I need to get ready for something, like say I need to get ready for this, I'll like take an extra hour to try and make my makeup look really good.

And that's something that I've never had the time for before.

So that's kind of fun.

Besides that, I got really good at Fortnite and and that's super embarrassing and i don't want to talk about that um

and then i quit recently because i was like you know what i'm we need to move on from this this is not

this is not admirable so then i stopped that but that's about it i also learned how to do puzzles uh

quickly i'm such a puzzle girly girl and there's truly nothing more accomplishing than finishing a puzzle oh i know it's like serious endorphins i mean do you have dogs you have cats right i do i have cats you have to make sure they don't pick up a piece in their mouth because don't ask me how many times I finished a puzzle without the last piece.

Oh, that almost happened with one and I'm not kidding.

I luckily they just knocked it off the table, but I'm serious.

I

almost was like, mom, can you just take the cats?

Like, I can't.

I'm so sorry, but this is, they're ruining things that are very important to me.

No, that's terrible.

They're still here on my bed now, but you know.

Cute.

Okay, so you are here.

You're launching a new project, the ideal planner, which is a planner but it's it's beyond the stereotypical like you're gonna do great today planner which can be a little um honestly sometimes condescending and i love that you're taking a different approach to it so tell us a little bit about this project how it came to be why i love a planner love like so hard same

same well i mean obviously same because i made one but um

But I agree, like I've always just gotten so like cringed out by the planners that you buy, you you know what i'm saying like they're always so corny and again condescending like the way that they're telling you how to like you know set goals and do all this stuff it's like it just doesn't feel inviting to me it almost makes me feel like i'm a piece of shit so totally like yeah and i don't know why they're all like that but i was like you know what i want to take a different approach i want a more you know

comforting and relatable form of a planner so that more people are inspired to plan and be organized and stuff like that because it's so important.

And I feel like it's been one of the staples of my organization routine since I was literally in fifth grade.

And I just wanted to share that joy with everybody.

But I feel like a lot of people are kind of put off by

the vibe of normal planners.

So I wanted to create the complete opposite and also put like some fun stuff in it so that it's kind of also like something that you could bring on a plane and like doodle in.

Or if you have anxiety and you want to go sit in your backyard and like doodle in it or do whatever like those are options too so i felt like it was the perfect ideal planner that was kind of my approach i see what you did there well it says it has journal pages custom mood boards puzzles games list corny quotes cool designs and silly messages from you i think that's a great idea i love that you thought of it with like planes in mind because there's just never anything to do on a plane and now i've got a puzzle i've got a journal i've got games i think that's fabulous exactly thank you and also sometimes we need to get off our phone and stop playing candy crush on the plane that's my personal opinion continue

totally also you add the days that you want to plan for so because like sometimes there's days on my planner that are just completely empty and it really gives me shame shame shame same

absolutely same and so that's why i was like i want to make it so that you can pick this back up like you put it down for a month and then you can pick it back up and you can like start up like you can whatever it's so flexible um and i felt that for people who are new to maybe using a planner or you know are just they're not in school so they're like kind of have on and off days whatever um

or they are in school sorry so they have like summer where they don't need to plan and then right well you know what i'm saying so it's like being efficient with the space.

It's not like any page needs to be wasted.

And I thought

I actually sometimes

I know what you're going to say And I do the same thing.

I actually sometimes like backlog my planner so that when I look back on it, I feel more accomplished.

I also like add things that are so fake and like not real, just so that I don't look like a piece of shit who has like one meeting a day.

I'm like, take dog for a walk when I like was inside the whole day.

Same.

Same.

And like, I'll literally put the dumbest, like, I will be like, take a shower.

It's like, obviously,

take a shower.

God bless.

But like, no, I'm, I'm totally there.

I, I do the same.

That's so funny.

Well, you talked, and I like that you had it in mind when it's like, whether you're having anxiety and you just like sometimes need your mind to take,

you need to take your mind off things.

I think part of one of the reasons so many people like love you and your YouTube channel, and I know I can speak for our sister, our seven-year-old sister, who

like loves you.

I think what she really connects with you on is you're so open about mental health.

And a lot of people, your age, and even anyone's age is, are not open about it.

And I want to ask you why you made that conscious decision to talk about it on your YouTube channel and be so open about it and

has that helped you in your journey totally I have always

well actually I wasn't always super open about it like in my real life I tended to kind of like hold it in whatever but to me talking about it in front of a camera was almost like talking about it to myself which I do literally every day anyway and when nobody was really watching you know what I'm saying and it was like my channel was a lot smaller and there was only a handful of people that were tuning in.

To me, it just felt like I was talking to myself.

And I was like,

okay, it's easy for me to open up because I don't feel like a lot of people are watching.

But also, so it's not like there's all this pressure, but also I feel like if somebody were to stumble upon this video, I feel like it would be useful.

You know what I mean?

And so that was super

important to me was like, okay,

you know, it's not easy to talk about these things, but also if I'm doing it by myself, it's easy and somebody's going to get something out of it.

So I'm going to push away that discomfort and I'm just going to do it.

And then it became kind of like muscle memory for me where I just started to be super open in front of the camera and it was not scary to me because I wasn't talking to somebody directly.

There was no immediate response.

So I was like, this is easy.

And then I started to see how actually people really were connecting to it and it was helping them.

And then now it's just like, that's just how my brain works.

And I do that in my personal life too now I'm constantly having these open conversations about you know mental health and how our brains are working you know

with my friends and family more than I probably would have otherwise but seeing how like you know much it resonates with people through the internet showed me that like we're all kind of the same you know what I mean we're all yeah we're all we all are struggling with the same things when you look at somebody and you're like oh my god you know they have it all figured out they don't and I think that

you know, once you realize that, it's a lot easier to just kind of go for it and just, you know, have that conversation with everybody and make it fun too.

Like it doesn't always need to be super dark and depressing, you know?

Yeah.

And like so serious.

And I think lightening it up is why like a lot of young people really respond to the content you put out.

Totally.

You're just doing like the most at all times.

And I find it so interesting, just as like someone who is involved in social media, just to see the different lanes like one can take.

And I find like every time you launch a project or you work on something, it's so deeply personal and it's so different.

Like, I don't know anyone who's made a planner, I don't know anyone who launched their own coffee company, and it's all very on-brand for you.

And I find it just so interesting to watch you.

Chamberlain Coffee, which is your coffee company, which is fabulous.

I've heard rave reviews.

I don't personally drink coffee, but if I did, I would be a Chamberlain Coffee Girl.

Amazing.

Can you talk to me a little bit about how you decide, you know, what projects to take on?

Yes.

Well, I

definitely

work on something for more than five minutes unless I'm obsessed with it.

I get really, really bored and mad.

My team knows this about me, and it's probably annoying, but I genuinely

like I have to work on things that excite me.

And so I tend to lean more towards like a passion project over something that's like kind of like a super big money maker.

Like I'd rather, you know, take my time and work on something that's super

interesting to me and something that is exciting to me than something that like I know will like make it's more like these things are passion projects for me, if that makes sense.

And I think that that's why they tend to be more personal is because I'm not as concerned about

how much money I'm going to make from it or, you know, stuff like that.

With these like more specific endeavors, like, you know, the planner being a good one, coffee being a huge one, that's like the biggest one I have going on right now it's like

i

i want to almost do it for me like i i it's a dream of mine to you know do anything in coffee that's always been a dream of mine um

so that's why once i had the opportunity i was like i don't really care about anything else except for making this exactly what i've dreamed of and that right you know other elements of it uh whatever i just want to make this something that i'm obsessed with and that you know i'm excited about that i would buy and that you know i love, and then I can hope that everybody agrees, and you know, if not, we'll figure it out.

But I just do these things for me, I think.

Um, and

I mean, I also don't let anybody sway me any different way, like be like, well, you should probably go this direction because this is doing really well right now, or this or that.

I'm like, no, I don't care.

Like, that's not why I work on these things.

Like, I work on these things because they're

like something I'm passionate about, you know what I mean?

Yeah, and it's like

create the coffee that you wish to see in the world or the planner that you want to use.

And then it naturally becomes an extension of yourself.

Totally.

That's exactly it.

Yeah.

She created the podcast she wanted to see in the world too.

A fellow podcast.

Fellow podcaster.

We have so much respect for fellow podcasters.

We must support other podcasters, podcasters supporting podcasters.

And I feel like you're actually like the perfect person for a podcast.

I feel like you just have an interesting take on literally everything, like even the most small minutiae.

And I think that's what makes your podcast so funny and interesting.

And it's called Anything Goes for those who want to listen.

Tell us about that.

Tell us about the podcasting process.

I feel like you have a lot to say.

Okay.

I don't know about you guys.

Like I know it's probably so different for everybody.

I have the most weird strategy, like almost the most kitschy one too.

Like I literally have my little handheld microphone thing.

I take it into my closet because it like, you know, the noise.

The echo.

Yeah.

And then I lay on the ground in my closet with the microphone plugged in and I record my episode for probably like an hour.

And then every Thursday, I record on Thursdays, which is also when I post the podcast.

And then I don't think about it again for the rest of the week and try to think about everything but it so that I can come up with new things to talk about by the next week.

And then

that's that.

I mean, I I used to do, so I had two podcasts.

I had one that was called Stupid Genius that now I like realized was just not the right direction to go.

It was like kind of a science-based podcast.

And

I love science, and that was like fun, but it just didn't work because it didn't have the legs that it needed to have.

And I ended up loving the podcast format so much that I was like, I want to make something that literally I can talk about whatever I want and like do whatever I want.

Almost like how my YouTube channel is because my YouTube channel has no structure.

It's just whatever I want it to be that week.

And I was like, why am I not doing that with my podcast?

So I basically just turned it into that where I just do whatever feels right that day and talk about whatever feels right that day.

It could be stories, advice.

I might eventually have guests on.

I don't know.

I kind of hate that idea, but also we'll see.

I kind of like it to be my therapy time, but whatever.

But yeah, and I mean, I love it.

Like, I really love it.

And this new format with anything goes so much better for me.

And I just love to

shoot the shit for an hour and then see what it edits into.

And then, yeah, it's, it's great.

And I feel like it's a more intimate thing for me with with the people

you know it's very easy to get personal like in your closet when you're wearing no makeup laying on the floor and i think that's why podcasting is such a fabulous format and why it's so popular is because you say things you would never say to your friends you would might not say on your youtube channel there's just like a real level of calm and like there's a therapeutic nature to it yeah and the amount of talking that you have to do like just allows you to get to the heart of the matter you know you can take your time with things totally yeah okay so the ideal planner is out now you can buy it on amazon barnes and noble anywhere you buy books make sure to get it if you're tired of being judged by your planner which i know i definitely am because today's just not the day i'm going to achieve my goals it's not and that's okay emma it's okay amen amen thank you emma for being here i mean i'm sure you guys already do but follow emma on instagram youtube and check out her podcast anything

oh wait thank you for reminding me because i wanted to talk to you about tick tock oh great i'm like the oldest person on tick tock um and i'm also like the worst at it i have only 85 000 followers and like it kills me and you like have really successfully converted your following onto tick tock honestly one of the most successful i've seen like major kudos i'm like so jealous and happy for you

can you talk about that was that like an intentional thing did you just like fall into tick tock and you loved it and you wanted to be creative or did you strategically be like i'm gonna be the next biggest tick tocker in the world

Literally, no.

Like for me, TikTok was something where I re-downloaded it because it used to be musically.

I re-downloaded it.

I was like, I have no idea what to do here.

I just started watching them.

And then I got obsessed with watching them.

And then eventually I was like, okay, I guess I'll make them.

And in the beginning, it was just so traumatizingly traumatizing to, like, I can't look back at my old TikToks.

It literally hurts my body.

But then I just kind of like.

started having fun with it.

And to be honest, there was no thought process behind it.

I literally just went on the app.

I was like, this is what's popping right now.

I'll check it out.

Whatever.

It's kind of part of of my job to kind of know what's going on.

So I've got something on there.

I ended up really liking it.

And then now I just use it honestly as like

kind of like a fun little, you know, it's, there's, it's not a lot of pressure.

You know what I mean?

It's not like with an Instagram photo where I'm like, this outfit better be crazy.

Fire.

You know, whatever.

Or like with my YouTube where it's like, this editing better be the best.

Like, it's not, I don't have those thoughts.

With TikTok, it's so mindless.

And that's why I love it.

But it's also fun because I feel like the community on TikTok is so like intimate and everybody, like, everybody's in on the same inside jokes.

And that's why I kind of love it, even though I also kind of made it kind of an evil platform, but whatever.

But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

I'm happy to be on it.

And I

literally can't wait to watch your TikToks after we're done with this.

Oh my God.

Emma, if you follow me on TikTok, I'll literally die.

Also, can you agree that there's there's something really humbling about like watching yourself dance on TikTok?

Oh my God.

When I look back at my, when I look back at my old videos of me dancing, my friend and I used to dance and we would like, I was a cheerleader for like six years.

I like love dancing.

I can remember a routine very quickly, which is a great skill for TikTok.

God bless.

It is.

It's so hard.

I know.

And so that I can't imagine, like, it's even harder.

And I had to learn routines all the time being a cheerleader.

And I can't imagine having no dance background or anything and trying to remember those.

I would not be able to do it.

It's so hard.

It's so hard.

So hard.

It's so hard.

And then you spend so much time trying to remember it, and you're like, there's my whole day.

No, and it's like, not only when you're putting together the perfect TikTok, do you have to remember the steps, which is easily the hardest part?

You have to look like you're not trying to remember the steps.

You have to be like, well,

that is so right.

That is so it.

It's so true because I will literally like get a dance down and, um, or like whatever, and I will watch it back.

And I'll be like, Emma, why is your face like

you know?

You're thinking your eyebrows are crossed.

You're like, one, two, sidestep, right, left.

Your mouth is like pursed, like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yes,

totally.

Well, okay, Emma's gonna go check out my TikTok.

I have to go record better content, so I gotta go.

Um, thank you so much for being here again.

Check out all of Emma's projects: the ideal planner is out now on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere you can buy books.

Thank you, Emma, for being here.

We hope you had fun, and we will see you guys next week.

Have a fabulous day.

Thank you guys so much.

Peace and love.