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Welcome back to the Morning Toast.

Happy Wednesday.

Hump Day.

Again, we got you.

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Thank you so much for reminding me that it's hump day.

Happy hump day, everyone.

Make sure to hump someone you love.

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The song kind of doesn't work over Zoom.

I was listening to it back yesterday, and we were so off.

Just want you guys to know, like, when we do it, IRL, when we're back in the studio, like it hits so hard, it fucking slaps.

Like, you guys are in for a treat.

It'll give you chills down your spine, how true it is.

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As you can see behind me, I am changing my sheets today.

Very exciting day over here in my household.

How about you?

How are you doing?

That's a big day.

I'm doing good.

You know, it was yesterday, it was one of the

more

difficult days in quarantine for me

because we were so busy.

And then, like, when I wasn't busy, I was just looking forward to like watching TV mindlessly.

And I was just so bored.

Like, I could not put one thing on the TV without rolling over onto my phone five minutes later and totally forgetting about what was on TV.

I started the new season of 13 Reasons Why, and I want to finish it because it's the last season.

And there's a lot of controversy.

I've heard a lot of people talking about it, but I literally couldn't get through the first episode.

It was just so mind-numbingly boring.

And it's like fourth season again.

Like, it's the same fucking thing.

It's like, who died?

Yeah, no, not for me.

I actually did not have that issue yesterday because I finished the book for the Redheads, loved it, fabulous book.

And then I binge-watched some more of Real Housewives of Potomac.

And it's just so good.

I finally have met and gotten to know Monique Samuels.

And I love, I stand, and I ship her and Chris.

Please don't tell me like anything

that happened to to them.

Like I have no idea where the seasons go.

I don't really know any spoilers.

So like watching it all and having, that's my dream way to watch Housewives is to binge watch like episode after episode, which we don't get to do on this show.

So I'm just truly having a ball.

And it's like, I have so many opinions about things that happened.

I guess it's like 2016, 2017 that probably nobody cares about now.

But

I'm just loving it.

No, I'm so jealous of that like first time experience you're having.

Like you're just like this virgin who doesn't even know what's happening.

Monique was such a fabulous addition to the show she is just so gorgeous and her heart and her husband are so cute have you met candace yet

i don't think so oh okay um i thought they came on at the same season but maybe they didn't um

i'm curious to hear your thoughts on her as well Okay, cool.

I can't wait.

I also like love that Monique like came on the show, moved to Potomac on the show, like bought a house on the show.

It's the house that we saw.

And I was like, I need to be looking at this house every day.

It's like such a farm gem and vibe.

And I hope that they do wind up moving into it.

It's just like with housewives, I always get a pit because like

it's like all happens like before the fall, you know, and then there's a divorce and then everyone loses all their money.

And like, I'm just really hoping that that's not what's going to happen for these women.

No, also, a trend on housewives is that a lot of the women live above their means simply because they're on TV and want to like put forth this lifestyle.

And then that just like offsets a spiral of financial troubles.

Um, we've seen it what literally one too many times, but um, you'll say, I don't want to spoil that.

Okay, it's,

I think, I know like one spoiler about Karen Huger, but I don't know.

Everything else is new to me.

So it is so fabulous.

I'm enjoying it so much.

And I just like, I'm trying to carve out free time for myself so that I can watch it.

But I'm strangely so busy.

Like we're recording the Redheads today.

It's just, and whenever we record the Redheads, it's literally like a 12-hour job.

So

I need to find some time for myself and the ladies of the Potomac.

You know, as married women, we'll never have that like

first dating someone, like butterfly feeling.

But like sometimes every now and then you find a TV show that gives you that feeling where it's like, you cannot wait to get home and watch TV.

Like you will push off all other plans.

Like you are just, you get this excitement.

And like I had that with Desperate Housewives and I honestly haven't had it since.

And I'm so jealous and happy for you that you are having that butterfly moment.

Yeah, like every time I sit down to the TV, like I know exactly what I'm going to watch.

I know I'm going to be having a fabulous time.

Like I'm so excited to get to know the women even more, spend more time with them, like whine and dine.

Also, watching reality TV while being in quarantine is, it's,

it's so difficult.

It's rude, like how much they go out and have fun and you're at home.

To the point where I want to go to the restaurant, Oz, and eat emu and kangaroo because I just want to go to a restaurant.

Yeah, Oz is an interesting place.

That was, that is like the craziest thing that they have.

Like, can she was like, nobody wants the kangaroo sliders?

No.

But, you know, there is a Australian restaurant where I, back where I used to live, I think it's called Rudy's or Ruby's.

And it is

so popular.

Like literally every Sunday, there was a line around the block.

I never ate there because I don't wait in line for food.

I just, I would rather go to like the worst restaurant on the block if they're seating now.

Like, I'll never wait for food.

Oh, of course.

But Ashley Darby should go down to that restaurant and see what they're doing.

And the fact that her husband like won't budge on the new, I just,

it's a proud Australian, Jackie.

It's honestly like a really funny, interesting storyline, you know, like about their Australian restaurant that's just a little too gamey.

He's just, he's so weird, Michael.

Like, he ruins and makes the show.

Like, he's that polarizing.

Yeah.

So far, so far, I mean, season two, he's a little worse than season one, but so far, like, season one, their marriage was really sweet.

I thought it was, it was, you know,

not what you would expect, but I thought that they had a really good bedrock of

marriage.

and season two i can see some of that starting to crumble but i still think like

i still think they're a good match but i know some stuff's about to happen and i just like just watch i know i know um we have a very busy long show because it's wednesday which means we're doing dear toasters we also are going to recap the vanner pump rules reunion which aired last night and talk about a lot of the vanner pump rules drama so it's going to be a very pump rules heavy episode i also watched last week and i never got a chance to discuss the jeffrey epstein documentary.

And I have so many thoughts that I would love to share.

And I would love to hear what everyone else thinks.

And then also we'll recap.

Did you watch Rock Drop and Live last night?

I watched some of it.

And I'm halfway through the Jeffrey Epstein documentary.

I just have like a lot on my plate right now.

And unfortunately,

things are taking up.

Mr.

Epstein just got pushed to the side.

Okay.

Well, that's okay.

I'll fill you in.

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We have a busy day of stories.

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Okay, first story: the big story of the day.

Vanderpump Rules has fired Stasse Schroeder and Kristen Dodie for racist actions.

One week after Vanderpump, after former Vanderpump Rules cast member Faith Stowers revealed that the two of the show's original cast members, Stasi and Kristen, had reported her to the police for a crime she'd had nothing to do with, a Bravo spokesperson confirmed to Variety that Schroeder and Doty won't return to the show.

Additionally, new cast members, Max Boyans and Brett Caprioni, whose past racist tweets were uncovered after the most recent season premiered in January, also will not return.

Yeah, to me, obviously, like Brett and Max getting fired was just like so obvious.

They like

when we, when I was watching last week, the first part of the reunion and they were talking about their tweets and everything was going on with George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter movement, it just seemed so.

like wrong i can't explain it so to me them getting fired was like a no-brainer yeah they were obviously mainstays

they didn't really bring much to the show.

I don't think anyone was like championing them or their character development.

I don't think any focus groups were like, we need to keep these two on the show.

No, the focus groups were mad silent when it came to Max and Brett.

Totally.

But the big news is really Stasi and Kristen.

I think a lot of people, I don't know if people are surprised, expected this.

I don't even know if I was shocked by this.

Like, I feel like when I read it, I was surprised.

But then in thinking back, I'm just kind of like, Bravo, how could Bravo not fire them?

Like to me, and we're so anti-cancel culture, like to the end, but to me, this is more corporate culture.

Like this is what happens at a big company when employees reflect poorly on the organization.

Hi, we did that.

We got fired.

Right.

I don't think we ever expected them to not fire us.

No, that's that's what being.

in a corporate environment that's what happens to me though like i can't get over how crazy this is really just for stasi like christine has had one foot out the door, like, she hasn't even worked upstairs in like five years.

I think that if she mysteriously disappeared from the show, like, maybe not that many people would notice.

But Stasi has a lot of fans, and she's like, really was one of the people who kind of bled out for the show.

And really, she's one of the originals.

I mean, so did Kristen.

Kristen is

just as much an original.

You're talking about

hasn't been relevant in a really long time.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, I kind of disagree because even though Stasi is a big,

not even a big part of the show, like I feel like she's a bigger star.

She's a bigger star for sure.

But as it relates to the show, like it could have been conceivable for these two to not be on the show next season regardless of all of this.

So as much as like Brahma.

Except for the wedding.

Except for the wedding, but I have to be honest, watching Jackson Brittany's wedding was the low point of this season for me when thinking back on it.

Because when I was watching the reunion and they're talking about Tom and the best man, I'm like, oh my God, I'm not going there.

I'm not going there again.

And even the engagement, the four episode lead up to Stasi and Bo's engagement, like, yeah, I thought we wanted to see them all grow up, but now like watching these activities, it's just not interesting.

And so yesterday before I watched the reunion, I was like, you know, this is like, they're just going to overhaul the show completely after this.

But then I was watching the reunion.

And even though this season was not good, and I think also they're responding to some of those criticisms from fans, like this season was not good.

Like there has to be change in the cast members.

I was watching the reunion.

I was like, there is something about this show that is inherently good and interesting and entertaining.

Bravo has a lot of like work to do.

And I think that just firing these four people

is, is, was a no-brainer for them.

Yeah, but I also don't know if it's going to satiate those who critique Bravo because Bravo has a lot of kind of problematic.

castmates, problematic shows, like problematic moments, like Luann showing up in Blackface.

And like, it became like a joke.

And it, like, no one ever really spoke about it in a serious way.

And I think that this was like a long-awaited

action from Bravo.

People have been complaining for a long time about a lot of castmates from Bravo, not just Vanderpump Rules and not just diversity on Vanderpump Rolls, but diversity in all the shows.

Like Garcel is now the first Black Real House size of Beverly Hills.

How is that possible?

There's been 10 seasons.

Like I think that a lot of people might say that this isn't enough.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

And they're being very public about the firing, kind of like they just don't want to be associated with this.

But it's important to remember that Stasi, this isn't a story that necessarily was hidden or got exposed.

It was on a very public podcast.

People spoke about it in 2017 and Bravo did nothing about it.

Right.

So now, I mean, I guess they can't not do nothing about it.

But to me, like Faith had some other things to say about some of the other people on the show and some characters that really the show doesn't exist without.

And Bravo didn't fire that person, you know, so like in when you put, look at it all together, it's like this seems like the obvious choice

that they made.

And they really didn't have to upheave the show because these four characters are really irrelevant to the way the storyline will move forward after this reunion.

Yeah.

But also as it relates to Stasi, because she really is the biggest star.

She has so much going on.

And this morning I was going to say like, just because Stasi's fired from Vanderprimples doesn't necessarily mean that she's canceled.

Like she has a podcast.

She has a book.

She has a second book coming out.

She has a show and a tour.

Whether or not she's canceled will be her,

will depend on what she does after this, you know, and whether her fans are

understanding and accepting and forgiving and willing to give her some grace and some room to continue to grow.

But this morning, you sent me something that was kind of crazy that the podcast, her, where her podcast is hosted, radio.com had a statement that they like are no longer doing straight up with Sassy and the catalog has come down.

Now, I always assumed that Sassy owned her podcast, and I still think that she might.

Maybe she's just not with that network anymore, and she'll bring her podcast back elsewhere.

She could do it on SoundCloud.

Podcasts are free, anybody can upload them for like in the podcast industry.

Everyone pretty much, and I don't know what her setup was, so I can't speak on it.

But if I'm assuming it's like anyone else's podcast, you know, no matter how big or small your show is, you own your show, you can move it around, but you need a network to host it, to distribute it, and to sell it.

You can have a podcast without all of that.

But I do, I'm curious like where the trademark

is.

I have to assume that she owns it.

I always assumed that she did, but now thinking back,

I feel like she's been with this network.

I think they rebranded a few years ago, but I think she's been with this network like since the beginning.

So I don't know if they, if she's just been maybe making a salary from them.

Yeah, I mean, we'll see what's up in a year.

But I do think like a big part of making a quote-unquote comeback from something like this is really all in how it's not always about what you do.

It's about how you like try and recover.

And a huge part of that is like a sincere apology.

And I really felt like their statements kind of fell flat.

And I'm sure they had to abide by a certain amount of like legal rule from Bravo, but now that they're out of the corporate America.

restrictions, like I will be curious to see how they both kind of come back from this because what they did was fucked up.

And of course people are entitled to make mistakes, but you're not entitled to forgiveness without a true like apology and show of remorse.

And I didn't really get that from a written statement on Instagram.

Yeah, I feel that like, obviously, you know, whenever they do come back, they will have to apologize.

But I did, I actually thought that some of their statements were genuine.

I don't think that you write like a whole paragraph and it comes like from nowhere and you don't mean it.

Sassy literally said, I'm so sorry for my actions and I do not expect forgiveness like she knows that she

up they both do and i think they understand the gravity of the situation and that there's nothing that they can say right now that will make it better yeah who knows what will happen in a few months from now

um i assumed that sassie would have her podcast and but now this morning like that kind of just like shook things up for me um in what i thought would happen from here on out yeah um also they were playing before the reunion they were being very petty they were playing like really old episodes with the whole like jax tom kristen

stasi

scandal from like seasons one and two and it was just like very ominous to watch like especially with the reunion but also just watching these old episodes like it was like borderline it was like creepy like you know because you just now knowing what we know it just it seems it seemed it felt really strange Really?

Knowing what we know and like, in what way?

That?

Like in the sense that they're fired.

oh interesting i even felt that way about the reunion watching yeah watching the reunion i felt that way too i would really like to hear from faith oh she spoke she spoke out i have her her quote here um page six sorted up i think she spoke to them she said that she feels vindicated after the firings she said quote i feel so vindicated studios and production are able to see blatant racism and make these positive changes and help move the race forward help with the fight forward she added that she had heard the news of the firing.

Just before she heard the news of the firings, she had been praying for a family member.

Quote, I was in the middle of prayer and I felt a sense of, I know it sounds corny, I felt a sense of glory.

I felt God's presence and I'm seeing now that the news has been revealed.

Maybe that is what it was.

He gave me a sign of optimism, meant to be hopeful and showing that all of this was worth it.

I mean, I'm sure she would never because she didn't have, you know, many kind things to say about Lisa Vanderpump, but she deserves some sort of like, you know,

retribution.

Like she deserves to have been successful on this show.

She was like set up to fail.

Yeah.

And maybe they'll bring her back next season.

There's going to be, I think next season Vanderpump Rules is going to look a lot different than what we saw last night.

Do you remember

when we recapped this season finale and I said that it really felt like a series finale in some ways?

Yes.

Well, I caught the tail end of the episode before the reunion started airing last night.

And then also given what had happened, happened, like it really felt that way.

Like, I feel like the show is just, first of all, it's not very good anymore, it's deeply problematic, and I think it might benefit them, like, just to get rid of it.

You don't think they could just revamp it, like, on like with a whole new next-gen cast.

I think what people kind of expect to happen is that it will become like Tom Tom.

Tom, Tom and Tom will become almost like the Lisa Vanderpumps of the next generation.

People will be working in their restaurant, and then you can hire

as many, whichever servers you want.

That actually sounds like a good concept.

I never thought of it that way.

Yeah.

Because

to end the show, I mean, I don't know that Bravo cares about the restaurants and stuff, but like there are, like, that is a whole, almost like this little industry.

There's a lot of people's jobs.

The show is successful.

I think it's worth working with.

That's what I, I thought maybe if i hadn't watched last night's episode i probably would have said just end the show nobody enjoyed the season like forget it but watching the reunion like i realized there was something just enjoyable about it and redeemable if changes are made is how i feel yeah i'm also really curious like what the fans think because i was just um like wanting to see what people were

were saying and thinking um about the firing.

And there was a really like diverse

group of opinions.

Like there are a lot of stasi stands that are just angry.

There are a lot of people who have, who have agreed with the firing and think that it's long overdue, but that it's not enough.

There's, you know, other problematic castmates.

Um, I'd be curious to hear what the toasters think.

Honestly, it's just so crazy.

Like, we've been, we've, I've lived with this show for eight years, and it's like, like, this is just at the end of the day, like, it's crazy that they actually got fired.

It's crazy.

Okay, next story, switching gears a little bit.

Coachella 2020 is reportedly canceled, another another cancellation, after massive staff cuts to parent company.

After rescheduling its April dates to October due to the coronavirus lockdown, the end has finally come for this year's Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival.

Billboard reports.

This week, the parent company for Golden Voice AEG laid off

15% of its staffers, furloughed more than 100 people, and issued pay cuts according to an internal memo acquired by Billboard.

The memo also said it's clear that live events such as Coachella will not resume until 2021.

Quote, when we are able to reopen, it will take time until we see our fans, partners, and sponsors fully return.

Well, I think the first thing I want to say is I think it's terrible that people lost their jobs because that's just terrible.

And this is just like a terrible, terrible time for.

for the job industry.

Like it's just terrible.

But I'm like, low-key, so glad Coachella is canceled because I don't want to go.

And like part of our job is just to be like on the ground at cool shit.

And we've now went two years in a row.

And like, it had its moments, but like for the most part, like I fucking hate Coachella.

Like I'm just too fat to be there.

So I'm just like, this weight has been lifted.

Well, not literal weight, but like this emotional burden of like thinking I have to go to Coachella in October has been lifted.

Okay.

But what about stagecoach?

I'm assuming you've seen stagecoach too.

So that is, that is devastating, but it's, it's collateral in my journey to not have to go to Coachella.

Like I'm devastated, but now I don't have to go to Palm Springs, not once, but twice.

Yeah.

You would rather like not go to stagecoach than have to go to Coachella in order to go to stagecoach.

But there are some people whose like entire like fiscal year revolves around Coachella.

And I'm sure that they are devastated.

And I'm sorry for you.

Like I'm sure this news is hitting everyone differently.

Yeah, I don't know.

It's so crazy because I feel like I used to think about Coachella and I was, I would be like.

It's just going to keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

Like when will it ever stop?

Not that it should stop, but like, you know, they say all good things must come to an end so a bubble bursts right i'm like how it's just gonna keep going forever like this but nothing is forever and now i see like how and

how it how all good things come to an end yeah i just feel like there are a lot of brands that rely on festival season like

to exist you know like they're centered around like revolve like there are a lot of brands

well revolve is bigger but there are a lot of brands that like are

i i am sure that a lot of their revenue is like incumbent upon festival season and like the whole festival vibe?

I just think this is gonna, you know, hurt a lot of different industries besides just this particular event.

Yes, I would agree with that.

But I think brands, you know, you they spend a lot of money on Coachella and then they make money, but they just won't be spending that money.

And

maybe they'll be saving.

Maybe.

I just think that this is so crazy because when they announced like in March that Coachella was being moved to October, it felt so far away.

We're like, oh, we'll be in in the clear by then.

And then slowly, people were like, I don't know if October is going to work.

I don't know.

October is like kind of close.

And now it's like October is around the corner and it's most definitely getting canceled.

That it's just, I just honestly, I can't believe how long this entire thing has gone on when we thought maybe, you know, it was going to be like a month, but now it's like it's going to probably like start to finish, like probably be a year.

But would it have been canceled?

Like, is it

if we didn't have these pay cuts and layoffs and furloughs would it have been canceled due to coronavirus like restrictions and gatherings in october i don't know that's an interesting call i just think that no live events are going to happen in 2020

concerts

whatever other live events there are but you know what i mean like i just i don't think it's gonna happen broadway i think broadway plans to come back in the fall oh interesting i had read um

Carnival Cruise is saying they're coming back.

Sports are working on coming back.

I was watching Zach records the show PTI and it came on like when one of my programs finished, it was just like on in the background.

It was quite interesting.

And they said that I guess the MLB is like having some issues.

The players, like they're going to have less games, but the players want to be paid the same.

And they just like can't reach an agreement.

But sports should be coming back at some point.

Well, I never thought I'd miss the day where like Ben was watching four hours of sports a night, but but now he's just like on my ass, like when I'm watching Banner Pump Bros being like, well, who's that?

And then who's the one that got fired?

I'm like, just shut the fuck up.

I'm trying to like write notes.

Like I'm trying to listen.

I'm doing my homework.

He's just like so chatty.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bringing back the sports.

Okay.

Next story.

Caitlin Jenner is celebrating the five-year anniversary of her transition.

She says, quote, I have no regrets.

We first met Caitlin Jenner five years ago this month.

Call me Caitlin, she declared on the cover of Anime Fair.

Then she sat sat down with Diane Sawyer and later appeared on her own reality show, I am Kate.

She talks about the process of transitioning, but she felt truly seen when she held her driver's license photo in July of 2015.

It was so emotional, Jenner tells people she did a People magazine exclusive with some glamour shots.

She looked at her driver's license.

There I was, Caitlin Marie Jenner.

But then I wondered, did Bruce deserve to be thrown away like this?

He did a lot of good things.

He raised 10 kids, but I wasn't running, I wasn't turning around.

Bruce did just about everything he could do.

He raised 10 kids.

Now, what does Caitlin do?

When I look back on the last, you know, 10 years of pop culture, I think that Caitlin Jenner's interview with Diane Sawyer was maybe one of the most revolutionary and like groundbreaking interviews of our time.

I feel like, you know, I know that the transgender community doesn't like live for Caitlin, but she was a lot of people's like first experience and first, you know, like knowledge of the transgender community.

And she really made it a global conversation.

And I'll just, I'll never forget that interview.

Like it was just so, there were so many rumors and like nobody was like treating it like a serious story.

And then she sat down with Diane Swayer and like it was a real thing.

And you really got to understand.

her whole life like over 60 years of like knowing that she was like in the wrong body and it's just it honestly it's still one of those things that i just i remember where i was when i saw it me too i remember where i was when i saw it i think it was one of the things that had the biggest impact on

pop culture at least in my lifetime and it was also one of the things that had like the biggest impact on how i saw the world like the way that 100

transgender like i had never experienced or even met someone who was transgender and to be honest like that was the first moment and i know that

they didn't really like love that she became kind of like the

spokesperson for the movement.

But in a lot of ways, like she was a lot of people's first, you know,

moment where they understood what it was like.

Yeah,

I agree with that.

It was.

I do think it's interesting, though, that Caitlin said in that interview, she has no regrets because like maybe she would regret like dragging Chris Jenner.

Oh, yeah.

And all of the drama.

It's like there was a lot of it.

Do they talk where?

I don't know where we ever like ended on that.

I think like every day is different sometimes, but I do, I do recall seeing photos of them, you know, at Nobu Malibu when they're there for someone's birthday.

And it seems like everyone is able to get along.

I think that Chris is doing very well in her life.

I think if there was any fallout from anything that Caitlin said about Chris, that it has been mended, you know.

I feel like the Kardashians actually do a really good job of moving on from like really big things.

Yeah.

And time, it's been enough time has passed where I remember those episodes where like Chris was all distraught.

They were going to the SBs.

Like it was so fresh back then, but they've all moved on in so many ways.

They all have like so many more grandchildren.

Like I do think, and I don't know them personally, but I do think that they have moved, moved past that drama.

And that was also like pre-Corey.

But now like Chris is in this like next, she's entered this next.

phase of her life where she is just like she is the definition of like the golden years.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

No, I'm like like looking forward to being chris jenner like that's what i'm gonna be and no one is gonna stop me that's like that conversation they were having on the plane um when oh my god that conversation chris and chloe was like i'm going to be chris jenner like my face will be pulled like um it was really cute i just in order to be like my full chris jenner self like i need to be as rich as her so we got to keep doing the show yep okay uh next story Bachelorette alum Rachel Lindsay.

Hold on.

I'm getting an ad for a subscription that I just don't want to participate in.

Bachelorette alum Rachel Lindsay demands franchise address systematic racism.

Lindsay, the first and only black lead on the Bachelor franchise since its 2002 debut, shared an emotional blog post promising to, quote, disassociate from the show if action is not taken to diversify its mostly white casting.

Rachel Lindsay on Tuesday shared an emotional blog post calling for the systematic racism within the bachelor franchise to be addressed.

She wrote, quote, recently I have received many questions regarding the headline stating that I will will leave the bachelor franchise if changes to

wow, I'm sorry, this website is just like all over the place.

Thank you.

What's a website?

Call it out.

It's a Hollywood reporter.

Like it's not even, oh my god, this is so not Hollywood.

They were, maybe it's, you know, maybe it's my iPad like jumping around me.

It's not, it's not.

Sure.

This is so not Hollywood.

Okay.

If

addressing headlines.

Recently, I've received many questions regarding the headlines, stating that I will leave the bachelor franchise if changes to address the lack of diversity in lead roles are not established, she wrote.

Yes, more diverse contestants do appear on the show now, but is the lead truly interested and open to dating outside of their race?

I think that is evident

by how far their journey takes them during each season.

It is a naive expectation to believe that leads will authentically start an interracial relationship for the first time on national television.

The sad reality is that people of color become placeholders as the token person of color to add some flavor to the second half of the season.

Wow.

I mean, that's, she didn't lie.

No.

I mean, as much as it pains me to like think of a world where Rachel Lindsay isn't in the bachelor nation, like,

I don't know what anyone could do or say, like, for, for ABC and for Mike Fleis, like to listen.

Like, and I think that the platform Rachel Lindsay, we said this.

yesterday, like the platform Rachel Lindsay has been given is so important.

And she's the only one.

She's the only Black League.

Like she's the only one really diving diving in on these issues.

And it's just like,

it's, it's honestly like so late.

Like, come on.

Yeah, I would, at this point, especially, I mean, even when we reported on this yesterday

and again today, like, if they do not make a change for the upcoming season, like I will truly be shocked.

I will be shocked too.

But you know what?

It's also like, it's on us to demand it of them.

But then also when they, if, if and when they do cast someone who's, you know, maybe a person of color or someone who, an Asian person, like anyone, it's on us to watch because they're, they're ratings driven.

So it's important that like we obviously demand it from them, but then we also follow up with the ratings because whatever, whatever is successful is what they will do.

Right.

I completely agree.

That's a fabulous point.

I just like, I don't want Rachel Lindsay to leave Bachelor Nation.

Like, I think she's so important.

But at the same time, like, she needs to make her point.

And

I support her.

I support her as well, completely.

But she does the

Bachelor podcast.

Like she actually is there.

She is she has her hand in everything.

Like she does sports.

She has another podcast.

But she's pretty like involved in the bachelor stuff.

So it'll be a huge loss for the entire Bachelor Nation if she decides to step away.

I agree.

They even had her on last season when they addressed some of the comments that the girls were getting and like the bullying within Bachelor Nation.

It's like,

she is.

She's an amazing role model.

Yeah.

And I think,

I think we'll see what ABC does.

I don't know like when they would announce anything like this, but

I have faith that they'll do the right thing.

No.

I hope.

Well, this is like where we're at the crossroads.

Like in when talking about bravo, it's like, are they just going to do one thing to like satiate people?

Are they going to really enact real change?

So it's like Bravo firing Kristen and Sassi, like obviously is a step in the right direction, but they they still have a lot of problems at the network.

And it's like, what is ABC going to do?

Are they going to like put on a show and just pretend like they're listening to the people?

Or are they actually going to listen to the people?

Yeah.

We'll see.

I agree.

Okay.

Well, fifth and final story is a little beverage news.

Pineapple Pepsi is now available in the U.S.

after gaining popularity in Japan.

Pepsi is known for introducing exciting flavors, and the latest one sounds like the ultimate summer drink.

Pepsi with a splash of pineapple juice was recently spotted at Walmart.

A pineapple-flavored Pepsi was first released in Japan in 2019 to major success, although it's unclear whether it's the same recipe.

Hail to the no, to the no, no, no,

hell to the no, hail to the no.

No, no, absolutely not.

This is, and you know, I've actually recently made the transition.

We are no longer a Diet Coke household.

I don't know if I've actually stayed this on the show officially.

You haven't, you haven't.

You haven't.

We have recently transitioned.

We are no longer a Diet Coke home.

We are a Diet Pepsi home.

And to be honest, it's something that was like eating me up inside for like ever.

And the person, really, the only person I ever really told was Margo.

And she kind of agreed with me.

It's like, of course, like from a branding perspective, like Diet Coke is like chic and sleek, but it's like, yeah, it's like a vibe.

From a taste level, from a taste level, like Diet Pepsi is so much better.

Like it's sweeter.

Like it's literally just better.

And I feel like when I used to go to restaurants and they were like, oh, we don't have Coke.

Is Diet Pepsi okay?

I would be like, yeah, and secretly like really excited about it.

and i just decided to like not be embarrassed of who i am and just lead with lead with my heart and so you know we have tons of like bottles and cans of soda in our house and we've recently changed over completely we are a diapepsi home we are coke free house and it's it's in really fabulous i'm not gonna lie i'm not even like embarrassed anymore Wow, I'm so proud of you that you're Coke free.

I'm three months off Coke.

I'm three months off Coke.

I happen to disagree with you because I truly love the taste of Diaco, but

I do see you and I love that you're leading with your heart and leading with honesty and like stopping to pretending to being someone that you're not.

Yeah, I feel like I spent a like a huge part of my life like just trying to be like cool and like do what I thought everyone wanted me to do.

And that stops today.

Well, you know what?

I'm just proud of you for standing up for what you believe.

Thank you.

That's Claudia.

That's beautiful.

What a perfect place to end.

end and dive into our tv recap segment or deer toasters which next tv recap i love to end on deer toasters it's such a high okay let's start with banner pump rules i just have to share a really funny anecdote i had like been watching for one minute when olivia facetimed me to like tell me something and then she had to go she's like all right i gotta go to pump and i'm like

the restaurant rules

And I realized that she was pumping her titties.

But I just thought that was like a funny moment to share.

Yeah, that is funny.

Okay, so I watched last night and we should recap the first one too.

I had notes from the first one and then last night I didn't take notes, but

I took notes last night and I only had one note from the first part, which I honestly couldn't believe that Max and Kristen hooked up.

Oh, yeah, that was crazy.

Crazy.

Oh, my note for that is I actually weirdly ship Max and Kristen.

I think that they like kind of make sense as a couple.

My other note was that I don't get Max and Dana at all.

She talks about him like she never stopped having feelings for him, but on on the show, she made it seem like she was all in on Brett, like saying she wished that she met Brett before Max.

But then, like, on the reunion, it was like Max was her, you know, she never stopped having feelings for.

They had reconnected after filming her and Max.

But like on the show, so then she lied on the show saying that she wished she met Brett before Max.

Like

maybe she really felt that way at the time, but like Max, like, like technically, she was the one who broke up with Max, but then like Max, like, wouldn't take her back.

Like, Mac, Max was the one who, like, put the nail in the coffin.

Um, and so I'm sure she like really did want to move on with Brett, but she just got like screwed.

Like everyone was being mean to Dana.

I don't know.

I feel like she didn't, she either really had like strong feelings for both of them or, or was just like acting her way through it to like have a romantic storyline on the show.

No, I actually really believe like she wanted things to work out with Brett.

With Brett?

In the moment.

Or Max.

No, in the moment, she like when she said that she like had wished she had met Brett before Max.

Like I feel like she really meant that.

I guess.

I don't know.

And then my other note was- Dude, I changed my mind all the fucking time.

Like, everyone.

I just, like,

none of it like reads as genuine to me.

Um, my other note was that Charlie, when Charlie was fighting with everyone, um, I said that it felt like a bachelor reunion when people are like, who are irrelevant are trying to audition for paradise and they're trying to like speak up and come for like the big dogs so that like and have like viral moments so that they're like interesting enough for paradise even though it's a good comparison yeah i think that there's something spunky and funny about Charlie.

And I'm not not here for her in general, but it's just like her coming for like old man Jax.

I'm just like, how do you guys even know each other?

Yeah, no, they don't.

And that was the point.

But like, that was definitely her trying to have like an Instagrammable moment.

Like, and now she's going to make t-shirts, like, old man, retire.

Yeah, that's like such a bachelor sent home night one thing to do.

Okay, so I want to run through the storylines from last night because I actually found a lot of them to be very interesting.

And the first one I wanted to talk about was when they were talking about sheena and dana and sheena like the whole season was like really mean to dana especially in the beginning when she just started but i feel like maybe i'm just becoming like a sheena apologist but i feel like she gave an actual really good explanation she said i'm so tired of like being the one person who's nice to all the new girls and she didn't say it outright but it's like honestly and she said that like dana reminded her of like lala and stasi and it's like she was really one of the only ones who was so nice just to Lala and then like Lala like totally surpassed her and like became friends with all the old Gs and like she's now considered like a cool girl.

Maybe she just didn't want to have that happen again.

And I kind of understood it.

I understood that until someone was like, yeah, but you were so nice to Charlie and like were up here, but obsessed with her.

So it was just you taking your own shit out on Dana, who even though she might remind you of someone else, like she's her own person and you were mean to her.

And that's on you.

Yeah, I just got the vibe that like Dana reminded Sheena of Lala a lot and she didn't want to like, remember when Sheena was crying at that birthday party like two seasons ago because all the girls were becoming friends with with Lala.

And she was right.

Yeah, no, I think it's, it's not that Dana reminds her of Lala.

It's like she saw immediately that Dana is just like everything of the sort.

And she's like, oh, another one's like, I'm not going to prop you up.

Like, I know you'll get there on your own and I'm not going to be stepped on on the way.

So even though I love Dana and I'm not for anyone like not being nice to the new girls, I like kind of understood Sheena's like twisted thinking.

Yes, I agree with that.

In the words of Lisa Vanderpump, I certainly don't condone it or I don't condone it, but I understand it.

Okay.

What did she say that?

She said that about,

oh, that's so funny.

I was, it's from an old episode I was watching.

It was when Tom and Jack started fighting at Sheena's engagement party.

Because Jack's been realistic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I watched it right before the reunion.

So it was like fresh in my brain.

That's crazy.

Sheena's engagement party.

And Sheena's like in the corner sobbing after singing Good as Gold.

It was honestly iconic.

Like those were the days.

Yes, exactly.

And like, I feel like because we had those days, everyone thinks that like we need to, and also this is this, and then another point I just have quickly, because we had all like all of that history, people think that like we need to continue on this journey.

But like, no, at a certain point, you graduate and you can graduate from Vanderpump Rules and go on to, you know, do other things.

Also, I feel like something that made Vanderpump Rules great, but ultimately is kind of like the demise of what we're watching now is like all of the existing history between all of the castmates that like they had these long friendships and so even when they would fight over petty shit they would always you know like they are sisters like kristen and sassy and hook me up with jackson like you couldn't understand it but they have this like deep friendship i no longer feel that that is important in order to have a successful reality show because like sometimes those long friendships develop on a show because these are people who are going to be in your life every day but like you it's just different like watching potomac like some of the

new people they're meeting each other for the first time and like they're having like cast member altercations and like like that's interesting too so i feel like they were harping so hard on like these historic friendships until they're driving them into the ground and then wondering why we're not friends anymore yeah um the other interesting thing that happened was um sheena and max admitting that when they had went to palm springs like she they had mick made out and like she tried to give him a blowjob and Again, I'm a Sheena apologist, but I could not apologize for this.

Like her, that was when Max and Dana were like working things out.

Yeah, like just because you're comfortable with someone else's boyfriend, like doesn't mean that that is okay behavior.

That was just like so.

And the fact that like she can't just be like in that moment, like, yeah, I still have feelings for Max.

I had him in my bed and I

wanted.

I was, yeah, I was just like having a good time.

Instead, she's like, it's just like comfortable.

Like, yeah, no, the way that she responded and like wasn't even apologetic to Dana, like that really bothered me.

Like, just not taking accountability at all.

That's the definition of not, when people say own your your shit, like that is a perfect example.

Instead of saying, making excuses, like, oh my God, it's just comfortable.

We're like best friends.

You say, no, listen, truly in my heart, like I still have feelings for Max.

He was away from me for the weekend.

I didn't like you.

I know you guys are seeing each other, but I wanted to hook up with him.

So I did.

Yeah, I was like disappointed in her like cavalier response.

Like that's the shit that people hate when she pretends like she's, oh, we just fell into each other's penis and vaginas.

Totally.

I tripped.

The segment where everyone was talking about James's sobriety and like everyone was getting really emotional, like even Jax.

I thought that was like Danica.

Yeah.

Like I thought that was fabulous.

Me too.

And I felt as though my opinions throughout the season were validated as well, especially as it related to Raquel.

Cause I feel like she's been on the show on and off for like three years now.

No one ever paid her much attention.

But this season, like something about her was just really endearing.

And it was nice to hear that even like Stasi felt that way too.

And Stasi's like, I never took the time to get to know you, but you're actually really likable.

And that was the experience that I was having while watching the show.

It was like, oh, Raquel's been around this whole time.

And I, I, there's, there's something to her that I like.

So it was, it was a nice story arc and like to see everyone be so proud of him except for Kristen.

Uh, I like this journey.

At the end of the day, like if Katie Maloney can forgive James Kennedy, like, anything is possible.

It's deeper for Kristen.

She used to date him.

Oh, yeah, no, I'm not talking about Kristen.

I'm just saying in the grand scheme of the world, like if you're mad at your friend, like just remember, Katie Maloney forgave James Kennedy.

But I just feel like she, she's moved on, but she hasn't.

Like, it's, I feel like it's still top of mind.

I feel like I have people like that in my life where it's like, yeah, we're cool.

Every time I see you, I will think of that thing that you said.

And that's that.

I loved that everyone was giving like Raquel the utmost respect.

Like finally, I feel like she felt so vindicated after the reunion.

But what bothered me is like, they, they mentioned the whole Lala Raquel fight, Pitbull, I'm a Rottweiler, and like how awful Lala was.

Like literally, like, that was the, the most disappointed I'd ever been in Lala.

Like she was just such a mean girl.

She didn't say sorry last night.

Like she just acknowledged that she's like, yeah, like sometimes when I'm getting angry, like I just say things like I can't like she didn't say sorry.

Well, I had seen an Instagram post after that episode aired and it was a picture of her and Raquel saying that she had apologized and that like she was so sorry.

And so I think like we all, I mean, Instagram instagram isn't the same as a remaining it should have been addressed but maybe it was cut out like i i think that she was sorry um and maybe that was just like cut for brevity but yeah that was as a la la apologist i even i couldn't yeah condone that or understand it and to see her like be so hard on herself and recognize that in her and what i thought she said that was so poignant when she was like, I thought that getting sober would like fix a lot of those things.

I thought these things were happening because I was drinking.

And now I'm realizing that it's something within me that I need to deal with.

I thought that was really brave of her to say.

Yeah.

And she was really, really sorry for that awful thing she said about Sheena on a Bravo after show that like I had never heard.

And I'm glad that they clipped it because it was vicious.

It was vicious.

40 years.

I had Nerald in a crop top and a Jojo Siwa ponytail.

Like that ponytail.

Yeah, it was vicious.

She felt really bad.

And, you know, this was something that I saw on Potomac.

And I feel like it's the same thing that happened here.

Cause on Potomac, the season two storyline, Giselle had gone on Watch What Happens Live and said the thing that Cherise was dating a fireman.

Do you remember?

And it was a huge fight.

And like, no one can understand how or why she did that.

I feel like sometimes when like your show is just filming your regular life, but then you go to New York City and you're on Watch What Happens Live and you're on this set and like your job is just like be a celebrity and like talk shit.

I think that sometimes they get carried away.

I think that's what happened with Giselle.

She was just like feeling fabulous and like, oh, people want her to spill the tea.

Here I go.

And I think that same thing happened with Lala.

It's like, oh my gosh, people love me because I'm so

honest and

can be harsh, but people like that sometimes.

I think she just got carried away and like didn't know where the line was and that she had crossed it.

Maybe, but it was also at that moment when she started getting emotional about China, where Stasi definitely did not realize that they were recording her.

And she whispered to Bo, Lala might be bipolar.

Yeah, that was weird.

Um, yeah,

and

like unnecessary.

I don't know.

It was like mean mean because they're friends it was obvious that she didn't know that they were going to include that and it was just an all-around strange moment yeah very strange that's like yeah that's not appropriate the um the last two things i want to say are one i can't believe there's a part three i thought it was over last night i i was shocked i can't believe there's a part three The second thing is the absolute best part of the reunion was that it was seven o'clock in New York and you could hear the clanging of the pots, everyone clapping at seven o'clock for the the healthcare workers.

And then all the cast members started to clap.

And I just thought that was like so cute.

And I love, I loved it.

Yeah.

I weirdly am very into the Zoom reunion because you can hear what everyone is saying.

It's let it's way more structured.

And

I just like, I think they, they've done a really good job with it.

And also like, They can mute people.

It's like they could take, you know, when you're like doing a podcast and you have two different audios and someone's talking over someone else, you could just take one person out and you can hear the other person clearly.

Like they're able to do that.

And I think that we're getting like a lot of better conversations.

I just want to say, like, towards the end, when it and they showed for next week where it gets between Britney and Jax and Tom and Ariana, like,

I can't.

I no longer can.

I am unable.

Like, I am not interested.

It is

the lowest hanging fruit of conversation.

And that's where it's like, I don't care that you've been friends forever.

You two are toxic as friends.

Please stop being friends.

Like, I don't, I never want to have this fight again on my television.

and so i don't know who needs to leave the show and i honestly i don't know how there's really a role for britney and jax um in like a next season especially now that sassy bow kristen are going to be gone if it's really focused on tom and tom like where do britney and jax fit in they don't have a restaurant right so

i just like

i can't

Yeah, it's, um,

I'm not looking forward to that conversation either.

I just couldn't believe there was a part three.

I'm like, this is enough.

Like, how long are we going to beat this dead horse?

Yeah.

Anything else you want to say about Edmund Burles before we move on?

No,

I think that's it.

I want to quickly talk about the Epstein documentary, and I will not spoil anything for you.

So just keep your mics on because we watched,

I watched all four.

You watched how many?

I watched two.

I'm in the middle of three.

What I liked, but I'll start with what I liked.

What I liked was that they really harped on like how nobody knew what he did.

Nobody in the industry, nobody nobody in business, and then in the public were like, who is this international man of mystery?

Like, how the fuck does he make money?

Right.

And I appreciated the inside look at like all his different homes, but I was like kind of disappointed that it was only four parts when I feel like they really didn't get into the celebrity element.

Like, you know, people on Twitter have like found like all the flight logs of like all different types of celebrities who were there.

And I felt like we could have done more on that.

It's like we got fucking eight parts for exotic, Joe Exotic, the tiger Tiger King, but like four parts for Jeffrey Epstein.

Honestly, I was just felt, I was left wanting more.

Yeah, I

haven't gotten there yet, but that would bother me.

What it also taught me, and what I learned,

I forget which documentary.

I think it was the Gabriel Fernandez one.

It's like the FBI sucks.

Like when somebody gets FBI involved, it's like, all right, let's just quit now because they never get anything done.

This is the theme of everything that I've watched in quarantine.

The FBI sucks.

And I know you're watching.

Hi.

Looking at my camera.

They just, they're constantly getting it wrong.

Waco.

Have you watched Waco?

No.

Those two original girls who were in the first episode who reported it in the 90s, like shame on the fucking FBI.

Like, look how long it went on.

They reported in the 90s.

And then the early 2000s in Palm Beach, FBI did nothing.

It went on until 2019, but it's not like it wasn't reported.

Like everyone just fucking ignored it.

Like, and it's so deep-rooted.

And I feel like they just didn't even get into how deep-rooted Jeffrey Epstein's like friends and business partners were.

Like, that's what I was missing.

Like, I don't feel like they exposed enough people.

Yeah.

I like, I haven't gotten there yet, but I'm sure I'll feel the same way.

You know, he's just like the tip of the iceberg and

they didn't,

they didn't melt away.

And they like like didn't even investigate like the death at all they were just like and then he died the end like it was just i needed more yeah i feel that

okay well that's it um let's hit deer toasters because my airpods just made a sound oh but also really quickly the watchtrapons live special from last night um i just absolutely loved it i

I wanted to just quote one thing that W.

Kamal Bell said, which really resonated with me and I feel like might resonate for people who are listening.

Because Andy was like, What do you say to white people who like maybe are afraid to get involved in the conversation for fear of saying something wrong, um, or you know, are afraid to just like talk about it because it's uncomfortable?

And W.

Kamal Bell was like, You should be like, You're probably gonna say something wrong, you're not gonna get everything right, but say sorry when you say something wrong, and then move on.

Don't be afraid to speak up because of it, just understand why what you said was problematic and move on.

And I just thought it was like a great, like, human way of talking about this issue.

And I loved it.

And W.

Kamal Bell was like living for Porsche.

Like, Like, Porsche was just like, Andy would ask her a question, and she went on, like, she just didn't stop.

And W Kama was like, literally in his little Zoom box, like, yes, yes.

Like, it was just, she's just everything.

And I said it before, but like, she's just making her grandfather proud.

And she's still like funny and entertaining and glamorous while also being so smart.

Like, I just think like she has really cemented herself in the Housewives Hall of Fame for me and in like the human being hall of fame.

Yes.

Those were my two notes.

Great.

Love it.

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Hi, ladies.

So my boyfriend of seven years went out with a friend one night.

He was messaging me when he left his house and said he was going to hang out with his friend.

I assumed he was going to his friend's house since I told him to stay there for the night as drinking is involved.

After a few messages, I never heard back.

I texted him asking if he made it to the friend's house.

Okay.

nothing.

Me being the anxious person that I am, I began to watch his local, his, watch his location and saw he was at a local strip club in the area.

Now, a little backstory.

We've had a conversation before about how I feel about him going to strip clubs.

I told him I wasn't sure how I would feel if he ever went.

Also, there have been trust issues in the past.

Anyways, he stayed at the club for 30 minutes after.

after the strip club closed and then he went home.

I called him the next morning and he was asking and was asking him about his night and after questions.

I'm sorry, I can't talk.

Anyways, he stayed at the club 30 minutes after the strip club closed and then he went home i called him the next morning and was asking him about his night and after question dodging he confessed that he did go to the strip club he said that his friend and him stayed until it closed and then went back to his friend's house and then went home after speaking with his friend's girlfriend i found out that this friend actually left the club after arriving because his girlfriend cussed him out.

So my boyfriend was alone at the strip club for hours and stayed after it closed and then lied about his friend being there with him and lied about going to his friend's house afterwards.

He He just went home because I have his location.

My question for y'all: How do you feel about strip clubs and relationships?

Also, am I overreacting about the situation?

He said, The reason he lied to me because is because he can't do anything right in this relationship.

I love you and thanks for the podcast during these hard times.

That was a very bad way.

A piece of work, he is.

Yeah, it shouldn't be that hard to like find out where your boyfriend is, you know?

No, and you know what?

Like, if you can't trust your partner, like you don't have a

good relationship.

Um, the fact that he would lie straight to your face.

And by the way, the way I feel about strip clubs, like if Zach wanted to go to a strip club with his friends or he was going, like he would tell me and I would feel great about it.

Like what an entertaining.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

No, I'm too insecure.

Like I love strip clubs.

Like 11 in Miami is my favorite place.

And like Ben knows like I'm allowed to go, but like he is like must sit in the corner.

No, but like if Ben were on a bachelor party and like the group were going to a strip club, you're going to tell your husband that he can't go.

Yes, I am.

I just don't want him knowing that there are like breasts out there that are different than mine.

Do you know what I mean?

But like, he knows that already.

No, he doesn't.

He doesn't know.

He knows.

No, I'm sorry.

Like, it's just a big, but you know what?

Like, I, not to be like, so braggy and annoying, but like, Ben is like so sweet.

Like, he would literally never go.

And if he did, like, he would literally send me, like, he would send me a video of himself in the corner, like, cause he's like a weenie.

Um, so I don't have this problem, but I'm sympathizing for the girl that does.

And to be honest, the problem isn't that he went to a strip club.

It's really that he lied about it.

Yeah.

Like, if your man is going to strip clubs and lying, like you have a problem.

If he's going to strip clubs with his friend, he's telling you and saying, babe, like the boys are going to a strip club.

Like, do you mind if I go?

And you like say, yes, that, that's healthy.

Like strip clubs are always going to be there and men are going to want to go, but it's just the way he went about it, that he lied to you, that he makes you feel crazy, that he said he can't do anything right in this relationship, like playing the victim.

Like, I'm sorry, but I hate your boyfriend.

Yeah, hate your boyfriend.

But for girls who may be, I actually totally rethought my stance on strip clubs.

For girls who may not want their husbands or boyfriends going to strip clubs, I think a fabulous thing is to offer to go together.

Because I've actually, now that I think about it, I don't know if I've ever been in a strip club without Ben.

And I've been at a lot of strip clubs all over this country, New Orleans, Florida, New York, tons of places.

So I think that's a great, it's a great bonding experience.

I agree, but like when we were on, we were in Miami, we went to 11 just girls.

Like if Ben were on a bachelor party in Miami and they were going to 11,

what would you have to say?

So 11, I think, is a different conversation.

That's what I'm referring to when, like, Zach went on a bachelor party and he was like, We're going to 11.

I was like, Have a great time.

I wouldn't include that because 11 is like the best club in Miami that also happens to like have strippers, but it's not like a place devoted to stripping.

Um, I guess I think that we can't talk.

I don't think we can use that example.

I don't.

Okay.

If they were going, okay, say they were in a bachelor party in Scottsdale and they were going to the strip club, but like, that's what you do on a bachelor party.

No, I I know.

I just like, or say they were in Vegas and they're going,

they're on the strip.

They're going to the strip.

You know, I don't know.

I feel like you'll just have to ask me on the day.

Like depending on how I'm feeling, I would either be like, yes, Ben, get them titties or literally I'm going to strap you to this chair.

And it's like, if you have plans to be going to the strip club like sometime soon, like you better make the week before count.

You know, you better keep me in a good mood so that I'm like, fabulous, go.

I'm, I'm.

I'm great.

I don't think I can make blanket statements because my opinion is changing so much as I'm talking about it.

And I'm sure it would would just be like on the night.

And it's like, if I have fabulous plans, like you can go do whatever you want, but if I'm sitting at home and you're at a fucking strip club, absolutely not.

Yeah, I think it's all time and place.

It's the way that you ask, but you, you definitely speak to your partner of seven years about it.

Yeah.

Okay, next one.

Dear toasters, I've been quarantined with my fiancé at his mom's house for the past month.

And for the most part, everything's going great.

She's a little older.

She's in her late 60s and tends to be pretty conservative.

Shockingly, she loves everything on Bravo.

So we always bond over our love of the shows.

During quarantine, we've been watching Beverly Hills and New York together, and there's been a lot of talk about blowjobs, threesome, sex, etc.

She's always appalled by the conversations and asking my opinion.

It gets extremely uncomfortable because it feels like she's directing the questions to be about me and my fiancé's sex life.

Very awkward.

So awkward that it makes me not want to watch any shows with her anymore.

I don't want to come off as an asshole who doesn't want to hang out with her since this is...

the one thing we really bond over.

She's also going through a pretty tough time, so I'm trying extra, extra hard to be a good daughter-in-law.

Do I keep watching with her and ride out these uncomfortable conversations?

Or do I act like a bitch and stop watching with her?

Sincerely, a girl who doesn't want to talk about BJs with her mother-in-law.

Okay.

Definitely keep watching with her.

Like it's a great bonding activity.

Like, yes, this is unfortunate, but I don't understand like the, what is she trying to get out of these conversations?

Is she like asking, do you give BJs and do threesomes?

I think the vibe is like she's trying to sniff out if like this girl is like the housewise, but you know what?

A little white lie never went anywhere.

Just like pretend like you think BJs are gross and then walk back to your room and and give your man a blowjob.

No, but like then is she going to be thinking, wow, she doesn't even give my son a blowjob.

Like, but she, she said she's very conservative.

Okay.

So honestly, just say whatever you think she wants to hear.

It's let the conversation go as quickly and swiftly as possible.

I feel like that is

the complete right thing to do.

Like you're living in this woman's house.

You don't need awkward moments.

And you don't want to disrespect her.

So just lie.

Like sometimes lying is the best.

Yeah.

Say whatever you need to say.

All right.

Final one.

Dear Claudia and Jackie, HYD, love you both so much.

Thanks for keeping a smile on my face during these trying times.

I'm writing because I need some advice on whether or not something is a deal breaker.

My boyfriend and I have been together for about five years.

After college, I moved away from my family to be closer to him.

We've been quarantining together and it's been great.

I finally want to head back to my hometown to spend some quality time with my family that I may never get again because of quarantine.

And he and I had planned to head back there for the 4th of July.

He spent previous 4th of July's with my family, even Christmas, but I've noticed a bit of a pattern.

He'll commit to coming home with me then a day before he'll complain non-stop about having to travel missing out on time with friends and family leaving me feeling really guilty and making it seem like i'm making him spend time with my family rather than him just wanting to i'm extremely close with my family and he is not at all with his so his excuse is that he just doesn't understand the dynamic and why i want to go home as often as i do but mind you i really only want to see my family three or four times a year.

He swears he likes my family and that they've been nothing but nice to him, but then he'll outright say, I would rather go away with friends than hang with your brothers and sisters.

Man, that's so mean.

I feel like every time I bring up going to see my family, he commits to it, but then finds an excuse to back out.

It's exhausting.

And I feel like I shouldn't have to convince him to do something that brings me happiness.

He now, he knows how much my family means to me to the point where discussing with him makes me cry, yet he doesn't budge.

Is this a red flag?

Much love, a tire toaster.

I mean, this is my worst nightmare.

Like this, yeah, this is like hurting my head and my heart.

But here's the thing.

I'm going to put myself in your situation.

Thankfully, like, obviously we love our family.

We're always like together and being annoying and going on trips.

And thankfully the boys have like the that like brotherly relationship where like they all take care of each other.

And so it's not that dynamic.

But like say we were always going places and like Dak didn't want to come.

He doesn't want to be with my family, like blah, blah, blah.

But I love being with my family and I want to be there.

I'm going.

So like, yeah, if that works for you to go by yourself, but some people like want their partner to be with them all of the time.

So if that doesn't work for you, then that's a deal breaker for you.

But like, I think that sometimes you should just do the things that you want to do, and like, if your partner should do what they want to do, and if it's not the same thing, like if it's a few days apart, like, I don't think it's a big deal, yeah.

I, this really just depends on the type of person.

Like, for me, this is 100% a deal breaker.

Like, my family is everything, they are my only friends, like, they're the only people I ever hang out with, the only people I ever go on trips with.

Like, to me, this is a deal breaker.

So, it just, it, it depends on who the person is and what their priorities are.

But to have to force someone to like be, and it's just honestly, it sounds like you guys are so different.

Like, you're so close with your family, like you value family.

And you said that, like, he just is not he'd rather hang out with his friends and his family and like family is not a priority for him so to me like the difference in priorities might be a deal breaker um i don't know i don't want to tell you to break up with him because you've been together for five years but it seems like he doesn't really appreciate the fact that like you moved across the country like for him

yeah

i agree

if it were us and like

we spend all of our time that would mean that i'm spending no time with my partner if he doesn't want to spend time with me when i'm in family but like some families like they just go on like a few vacations like a big like a thanksgiving and then there's a trip and like that's that's easy to work with so i think

i don't you need to figure out what your breakups are yeah and like what your year-long schedule looks like you know how many times are you going to be like doing something with your family and is it going to be a fight with him like

sometimes it's just not worth the fight yeah and then also like what do you want your future to look like do you want like your your kids to be really close with your family because it's like it's it's all fun and games now but like when you have kids and then your husband doesn't doesn't want to be with your family, like kids, like, if they have family around, like, it's great.

Cousins.

Sounds like he's being a little stubborn.

Yeah.

Like, everyone wants to hang out with their friends, like this before,

like in the playground, like you're not.

No, it's like, we're adults now.

Like, come on.

Yeah.

We're adults now.

We love our families.

That was Dear Toasters.

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