Rambam and Jon Rahm: Monday, September 8th, 2025

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Welcome back to the toast and happy Monday.

It's a fresh start.

You know, life is all about perspective, you guys.

We could be like, oh, it's Monday.

Like, I hate my life.

Or we could just be okay.

You know, we could be okay.

I wasn't even going to say that because from where I'm sitting, I haven't spoken to you since we wrapped the toast on Friday.

Like, we literally don't talk.

Once again, like you failing to communicate.

Yeah.

No, like we've been in the group texts, you know, around each other, but we just had two ships passing in the night.

We haven't had like a direct FaceTime all weekend.

I just, we're just like so busy.

Busy.

No, you don't call me.

You saw how tight I got with the boys over the summer when you said, I want to drive a wedge between this and I won't call her anymore.

That's not what happened, but you also didn't call me.

Yeah, I'm the one with the newborn.

Like you call me.

Right.

No, it just, it just didn't happen for us this weekend, which I think unless if we could stop fighting about it, like would actually be a good thing for the show because like, how was your weekend, La Terred?

I have no idea what's going on with you.

I went to Lady Gaga.

Right.

Barely knew that.

Barely knew that.

I went to Lady Gaga on Saturday night.

Yeah, I had a couple of cocktails.

And let me tell you something.

I loved the concert.

I loved Lady Gaga.

I wanted to kill her.

Was she talking a lot?

No, actually, not at all.

I didn't even think about that.

Oh, man.

She's probably the kind of thing.

A talker.

It was the least amount of talking I think I've ever seen at a concert.

I didn't even think about that.

Between songs, spare me, just sing.

No, actually.

So I knew that she went on at 8.40.

We're walking like into the venue at 8.30 and I hear Abracadabra.

I'm like, what the fuck?

She's going on.

We start running.

So we're like, we get to the seats in the middle of the song.

We're like, Abrakadabra, Amba'u gay, and we're like, loving it, loving it, loving it.

She performs a song so good.

She ends the song, and like, the show is over.

And I'm like, what in the world?

I'm like, where are the other songs?

It's like lights off, like, she's gone.

Like, the show's over.

It's like one song.

And I'm like, what is going on?

Then the show starts up again, like, maybe five or ten minutes later.

I was so confused.

And it starts up.

habrikazabra amaunana we just heard this song 70 mrs shimanata we just heard this song so i say i'm like what's going on and the guys in front of me were like she's filming for the vmas i'm like what

i'm like oh okay she comes back again she does another song and she's like thanks guys i'll be back two more times

We watched one whole hour of her performing, going dark, performing, going dark, like the same songs two or three times.

The show started at almost 9.45, like not to be a grandma, but it was like a long show.

And I was like, really enjoying it.

But I got home so late.

That's really crazy.

Because she was an hour delayed, like for the VMAs.

Like,

the VMAs were like, first of all, yesterday.

So I went on Saturday night.

The VMAs were Sunday.

She recorded.

And like, yeah, it was cool to get like extra gaga, but she wasn't performing for us.

She was performing for the cameras.

And it was just like, it was so weird.

That is weird.

Proud to say I did not watch the VMAs.

I have nothing to say about the VMAs.

We won't even be doing like winners because really like who gives their stage like arianna showed up she was probably like the biggest star there and lady gaga and so like they won all the awards um i didn't watch either i do feel i've actually

sadly pains me to say this aged out of the vmas because of course i woke up and like a normal person i watched all the recaps tick tocks here's what went down and like yeah a bunch of the pop girlies were there but what everyone was excited about were people i've genuinely never heard of somber like who is that cat's eye do you're learning about cat's eye from their gap commercial oh I'm learning about them from their, you know, critical performance at the VMAs.

I do think it was very Gen Z.

I'm happy that the kids have that.

It wasn't made for us.

Yeah, no, and I didn't even feel like pressure to watch.

Like, sometimes I'll put something on because I know like everyone's going to be talking about it, but like, go home, grandma, you know?

And I actually went to a wedding last night, so I didn't even have time to watch the VMAs.

Okay, party girl.

Party girl, not only did we go to a wedding, but the kids were invited.

It was my first time going to a wedding with the kids, and it was like so much fun and just so different to like experience that with them and like hit the dance floor.

It was so cute.

It was making me think like, cause people were like, there were a lot of kids at the wedding.

People were like, do you allow kids at your wedding?

I'm like, I didn't know any kids when I got married.

I didn't have to make any hard decisions or be like, your kids can't come.

We didn't have an actually, Ben has a lot of cousins who are older than him.

And I do believe we invited their kids, but like they wanted a night out, you know, in the city.

It wasn't, so I don't think there were any kids at my wedding.

And it wasn't like a no kids wedding.

Yeah.

No, I never even had to like confront the decision right there were no kids um in my world at the time but it was just like so fun and special to bring them and yes some of the parents like didn't bring their kids but and had a night out which is also really fun but it was also just fun to like bring them and get all gussied up and we had a great time One more thing I want to say about Gaga before I Gago.

Two things.

One, she's literally the craziest bitch on the planet.

Like we're always saying how she's like such an artist and she's just like crazy.

Jackie, she's even crazier than we thought.

Like the whole time I kept turning to Taylor Shreker, I was like, She's fucking crazy.

Like, she has this whole thing, she's on crutches, like, she's just crazy.

Like, she was being so nuts.

Like, everything was like, but she's like a very clear vision.

How we're always saying about Sabrina Carpenter, like, her whole like feminine, feathery, sexual, like, she has like a very unique aesthetic.

And Gaga has the same thing.

Like, it's so gaga, and it's so fucking crazy.

Like, yes, but like, at least

is like

understandable, like, surface level.

You know what I mean?

It's just like, I don't understand.

Things you could pin pin on a mood board, like gagas.

No one could ever she had this like spoken word poem video before, and she was like, On the road, the journey is dark.

And like, I literally, I was like, You are speaking English.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's so artsy, it's so deep.

Like, I actually don't understand it.

She was like, Cynthia,

Jesus guided our synthes.

And she was like, Someone should darkness prevail in the house of love.

Sample Cynthia.

The second thing was that I got so many DMs.

Did you see Alex Earl?

Did you see Alex Earl?

No.

And then I was like trying to like, I looked at her Instagram stories to like see where we were.

Like we weren't far away.

I don't know where she was, but I did not see her.

And that was devastating.

I'm sorry.

It's okay.

She's booked and busy.

She was at the VMAs as well, looking cutesy, like a little ladybug.

Yeah, she looked adorable, like a ladybug.

The way I'm like.

It's a TikTok thing.

Okay.

The way I'm counting down the days to

dancing with the stars, I don't know if you've been seeing, I've been following like a lot of the contestants like who I didn't follow already on social media.

And you know, they go so hard with like the content, the dancing partners.

And it's actually getting me amped.

Like, no, I'm going to be sat at eight o'clock on whenever it is, September 16th.

I'm going to watch.

Good.

Yeah.

Excited for your recaps.

Speaking of recaps, we have to discuss what we both know what I have a fifth and final story that will segue into that quite beautifully, especially because everyone's talking about unknown number.

A lot of people have watched it.

We watched it this weekend.

We're going to recap it after the fifth and final story.

But I want to be able to talk about it in full.

And so it will be full with spoilers and that will go at the end.

Okay, that's so fair.

So fair, saw fair.

So fair, saw fair.

That was truly the craziest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Did Ben cook his bread?

No, of course not.

The starter is ready.

On Friday or Thursday, he was like day five of having fed his newborn starter.

He doesn't have old starter.

He has

from scratch.

And I was like, they say five to seven days.

Like, do the seven.

Like, mature is better.

Having an immature starter, you won't, your bread won't rise.

Like, it's a waste of time.

And now it's like Monday and day eight, nine.

He didn't

start.

Yesterday, you said his starter was looking great.

It's perfect time.

He was going to like make the loaf and whatever.

But the day just got away from us.

And then Ruby's last nap got cut short.

So Ruby had to go down early.

Like, you know, it just.

Parenthood.

But you got to start the loaf in the morning.

Let me text him.

Don't tell me that.

Let me text him.

Did you start your loaf this morning?

Well, don't because I put him to work this morning.

Doing what?

Like finding a place for my breast milk, you know, kind of slay.

I have a lot of breast milk, but we live in a small apartment.

And I was thinking of getting like a chess freezer, but you know me, the idea of just like a freestanding freezer in my house, I can't.

The sweeper can never.

And then I remembered I actually have the luxury of having a...

father-in-law who owns a kosher catering company who has a commercial kitchen in Manhattan.

So Ben loaded up our car with all my milk, drove it over to Bruce's Bruce's kitchen, and all my milk is in a chest freezer at the chef's table headquarters.

That's really crazy, but someone's going to go and steal it now that you said where it is.

That's a hot commodity.

They don't know where it is.

Oh, they don't know where the chef's table is.

Where the kitchen is.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

It's under lock and key.

Yeah.

Okay.

Keep it safe.

Lock it up.

Even though, like, I don't find myself using my milk as much as I thought I would.

Do you know what I mean?

I never unfreeze it.

Like, I'm just always feeding.

It's not really for now.

Yeah, right, right.

But yeah, it is kind of like, I even when I had a stash with Charlie I never finished it because once we switched to formula like I was like okay here's the formula like pop off formula yeah like and I have to go thaw this old thing from six months yeah like I don't know but I've actually been thinking that I want to donate um if I don't end up using it because I have so much like thousands well not thousands but I'm hoping to have thousands donate to the NICU that's what I hear people on TikTok doing I don't know if they'd accept mine like if it's too old or whatever but I'll try that's beautiful I know right?

Like, how nice, like, if you're in the NICU and you need breast milk, like people donate.

That's really beautiful, Turdy.

Or, sorry, as Jackie would say, Nikku.

Nikku.

I say both.

No, you say Niku.

It's one of the words.

I cuss a little.

So that was my weekend.

You went to a wedding.

You were obviously like partying up.

Coming home.

Stumbling home at six in the morning for this wedding.

Neighbors, like before the wedding, just like going from party to party.

Not the neighbors again.

Football Sunday.

We're back in activities.

Yes.

The Chiefs lost.

We didn't even talk about that.

Their first game of the season, they lost.

I believe it was on Friday night.

Like somewhat fine.

I think it's good that they lost because you want to have a comeback story.

Like if you start out winning, it's not always good all the time.

Like you have to face adversity.

Agreed.

Agreed.

They need to get excited.

They get mad.

And they need to figure out where their holes are as a team before the big stage.

Who?

Brian

no

no

pop pop

another word for pop pop time show time what's another word for pop pop bang bang niners gang yeah that's right they won hashtag bang bang unknown number us open also ended we got two winners hashtag bang bang unknown number

that's what she hashtag bang bang

We're going to get into it.

Like, seriously, never in my life have I met a bigger loser than that woman.

Well, okay.

Just leave it there.

Leave it there.

The U.S.

Open came to a close.

Alcaraz won.

Sabalenco won.

It was just kind of like a big weekend for sports.

Yeah, the fall season.

Obviously that.

Oh, and you know, like in two weeks is the Ryder Cup.

I do know that in two weeks is the Ryder Cup.

And you know Ben was invited.

I know Ben and I were supposed to go together, but I'm just going to be like too pregnant pregnant to go to a beth page with him but i was excited i'm excited that he's going i know it just really doesn't work out um

and i i literally can't so yeah uh i don't have a choice not like i'm even making a decision We're literally like such a sports podcast.

It's disgusting.

We're like such toxic women in sports.

I wonder who's going to be the Ryder Cup team.

Do we know yet?

Because it's like a big thing in full swing.

And of course, Keenan Bradley was shafted last time.

And now like people are saying he might be the captain this year, like coming back, you know, at the same time.

Listen, like, a Phoenix rising from the ashes.

Keenan Bradley is

that.

He's that guy.

Okay, Ryder Cup 2025 team.

I feel like by now we would know the team.

I can't lie.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

What's a team in golf?

Okay, so the Ryder Cup is different than like all other golf stuff, like not the Masters, not the U.S.

So different this cup.

It's U.S.

golfers versus Europe golfers.

Got it.

These teams play every two years, and they switch off between playing in Europe versus playing in the U.S.

So they pick like the top.

It's perfect.

Yeah, it's like the Olympics, but it's only U.S.

and Europe.

And then there's the President's Cup, which is U.S.

versus Canadian golfers.

That's later.

But anyways,

and like a lot of the best golfers, like Rory, he's Irish.

He plays for Europe.

Oh, yeah.

John Brom.

Who's that golf?

Of course, John Brom.

Everyone knows John Braum.

John Rahm.

John Brom.

He's in Spanish.

He plays.

We actually saw John Rahm this summer when we were out.

You and I?

You were there.

You probably didn't.

Ben told me that that's John Rahm because we've never know golf.

When we were at the beach club.

Oh, yeah.

No, John Rombaum just went right over my head.

And if you don't know Rombaum,

you best be learning.

Yeah, if you don't know who Ronbaum is, seriously.

And that's like seriously Google it.

Your life's about to change.

John Rahm is from Spain.

He pays, but like he won the masters a few years ago so it really is competitive it's like bryson da chambeau and tiger woods right those are the only people who are american not tiger woods these days scotty scheffler why not tiger woods these days well he's not like the best player anymore

no

no he plays sometimes and it's always like amazing when he does especially because apparently he almost lost his life in an accident yes yes and let alone be able to golf again at the top level but he does

um so for team usa scotty schoffler Xander Schofel, they don't focus on him in full swing, so I don't know him.

Justin Thomas, JT.

Classic.

And Colin Morakawa, a classic for Team USA.

Roy McElroy, John Rahm, Victor Hovland, and Ludwig Auberg for Team Europe.

Keegan Bradley is the captain.

Feels really stacked against us, honestly.

I know.

And last year they won.

They like really swept the floor with us.

Like embarrassing.

Oh, so now that I know, maybe Ben was like, do you want to go?

And I was like, no.

No, it's a really big deal.

It's really cool.

Okay, maybe I'll go.

And like, usually when it's in U.S.

territory, we win, like, home court advantage.

Home court advantage, of course.

The U.S.

hasn't win in Europe, like, in a very long time, and they didn't win last time.

But it's like crazy because, like, we have Scotty Schuffler.

He wins everything.

What?

You can't win this one time.

But it's also like, is golf a team sport?

There's no eye in golf.

No, but like, they take it really.

They love.

It's like to be selected for the Ryder Cup is like the dream of a lifetime for these golfers.

Like they play for this.

Golf backwards backwards is vlog.

That feels right.

Isn't that funny?

Yeah, that's why they have so many vlogs.

Vlog.

Flog.

And that should be like a word, you know, when you like score 100 parts of Birdie, one over should be a vlog.

It might as, it could be.

We wouldn't even know.

That's what a vlog sounds like.

Double bogey.

You're such a double bogey.

So yeah, go to the Ryder Cup for those of us who can.

It's extremely cool.

Okay.

Yeah.

And it's in two weeks.

So get excited, fam.

Let's get lit.

Maybe you'll be on TV.

I don't know.

I had a couple cocktails on Saturday and like, I think I'm good for a while, you know?

But it's a few weeks away.

It's so doesn't recharge.

It hits the same.

It doesn't hit the same.

Oh, you know what?

I'll say one thing.

I was talking, so we went to the Gaga concert and we had drinks before with Taylor and Taylor.

Obviously, Taylor D is pregnant.

So like we were just talking a lot about like baby stuff.

And, you know, I'm like...

loving it.

I'm like saying it's so great.

It's so great.

But there is like one thing about motherhood I actually don't like.

Like genuinely don't like.

Okay.

Like like you're really unable

to enjoy

things like to like detach yeah like when we went it was like my dream night I'd been looking forward to it like I planned it two weeks in advance I got the tickets I bought a sitter like I did bought a sitter scheduled a sitter like I planned everything so far in advance I was like Ben we're gonna have so much trouble we're gonna get so lit like and I was dreading it the whole day And then even when we had like successful bedtime, the babysitter was there, Ruby was asleep.

Like it was perfect.

Like nothing went wrong.

It was perfect.

Exactly how I planned it.

I was like, not wanting to go.

I was checking my phone the whole time.

Like,

your mind is elsewhere.

Yeah.

And you just like really can't, even with the best situation, like all was good.

You know what?

I agree with you.

Like, your mind is just elsewhere.

You're always just like wondering what's going on, even if the kids are sleeping.

That's why I actually really enjoy girls' nights because my husband stays home and like I have more peace of mind.

I cannot stress enough how different it would have been if Ben didn't come.

And I was thinking of literally telling him to scram.

Like go check on things.

Like, cause that's like peace of mind for me.

But I feel like that's how you get to a place where, like, you're never spending time with your partner.

That's why it's important to prioritize date and night.

Yes, yes.

And I saw Ben getting dressed and I was seriously like, stop.

Like, put your clothes back on, like, get in bed.

Stay home with Ruby.

Yes, I agree.

Even though, like, Ruby were with Ruby the whole day he went to sleep and then we left.

Like, Ruby had no idea we were gone.

No, of course.

No, no, no, of course.

Like, I just like wasn't as pargalicious as I envisioned it in my mind.

Cause actually, that's not true.

I had a great time, but like, you know, it's just not the same.

Yeah.

And I want it to be the same, you know?

I'm trying.

No, I understand, but I think they're changed.

She

has been changed.

Try going to the movies.

Like, don't even bother.

I am going to the movies this week.

Seriously, don't even bother.

Is Ben going?

Yeah.

Don't bother.

Actually, TBD.

He has a ticket.

I told you, we bought tickets for Demeter Nabby.

If you want to enjoy, like, keep him home.

So funny.

When me and Ben were in, like, the throes of new parent, new bornhood, we were like would it be crazy if we went to the movies because like literally all we did was lay in bed and watch tv ruby was either like sleeping on my lap or sleeping on my boob sleeping on my lap sleeping on my boob so like why couldn't we just go to the movies we almost did except for that i think that it's too loud

um but like

ruby like goes to bed with us every night the tv's blaring like if i go to the movies can i just bring ruby if i saw sleeping baby at the Movies, I'd be like, damn, that's crazy.

But it's really not.

No, it's really not crazy.

It's just loud and it's Jeremy.

Jeremy.

you know, yeah,

so that's all.

I feel like we don't talk about the name Jeremy enough, it's like a nice name,

it is a nice name, but because some people are talking a lot about names recently, like Jeremy, some people like drop the E, like you really need to Jeremy, you need to like focus on that second E, otherwise, it's Jeremy, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's not right.

I know, yes, certain like accents are more

prone to saying Jeremy, Jeremy, it's nice,

yeah, it is nice.

Jeremy Saffer.

Flog.

Flog Saffer.

Jeremy Saffer.

He sounds nice.

It doesn't go with Ruby, you know?

Well, it both end in Y, Ruby, Jeremy.

And then they're never, like growing up, if someone was calling from the other side of the house, Olivia, Claudia, and you only caught the end of it, you were not sure if they were looking for you or Olivia.

It was actually low-key confusing.

Yeah, that was very difficult for you as a young woman.

I actually dealt with a lot of really tough things.

I also had a summer birthday, which now is lit, kind of, as a child.

Oh my God, so robbed.

I don't know if I'll ever get over the emotional trauma attached with like feeling so

robbed as a child with a summer birthday.

But it's made you who you are.

Speaking of summer.

I've been reading a lot of children's books.

Not a lot.

I have like six on my shelf and I don't really feel like at this point I need more than that.

And I've really been feeling drawn to the camper and the Counselor.

It's such an amazing book.

First of all, it's huge.

And so with Ruby specifically, like, I need big visuals.

He can't see so amazing.

It's so colorful.

It's really beautiful.

And then for my own personal enjoyment, like I'm in the stage where like Ruby likes to be sung to.

So a book like that rhymes really helps.

And there are books that I really like.

Like we bought that one in Montauk from the Lighthouse.

It's amazing, but it doesn't rhyme.

So it doesn't slap.

I cannot recommend The Camper and the Counselor by Jackie Ashra enough.

It is such, and I've always loved it, you know, as an adult.

You've always supported it, but it definitely hits different now.

And I totally, when we get to Paige at the lake, Ruby freaks.

Like, it is like, it's like the plotjust of the century.

No, I know.

Harry used to freak is especially when I'd be like, whoa, I'm not going in that lake.

He'd be like, whoa,

I'm not going in that lake.

And I just want you guys to be like,

buddy has been like sending pictures and videos of her reading it.

Like totally, like to me, totally unprompted by me.

Like this is all coacher's doing.

She's not even like just doing her sister a solid pumping off.

100%.

And everything that you just described is literally what I set out to do when I wrote the book.

Like, I want pop-in rhymes.

I want colorful visuals.

We need to compete with the television here.

Yes, exactly.

But I can't have the giving tree sketches.

That's not something that's going to be good.

The giving tree is so sad.

When Ruby can hold up his own neck, like I'm going to be putting him in the chair and then I'm going to be like doing interpretive dancing while reading the book.

Like I can, it's just, it's only, it's going to go up from here.

Yeah.

So that's the camera of the counselor available anywhere you get your books.

Amazon, easy peasy.

So highly recommend.

It's such a fab read

for kids of all ages

for kids of all ages i feel like we should get into the stories and i actually feel like you're gonna hate them i'm gonna hate them yeah why they're like the stories but you're just gonna like hate them and the people they're about like you're just gonna

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Our first story, some new couple alert news potentially.

Glenn Powell was spotted with Olivia Jade in New York City.

The two were seen having dinner at El Cantenori in the city on Sunday.

Glenn Powell, 36, and Olivia Jade, 25, were spotted in Joyce.

I feel like I literally put this down to the universe.

Was it not one or two weeks ago?

Well, I just came back from the toast, so I don't know when I said it, but I was like, Glenn Powell needs a star for a girlfriend.

Like, he's kind of been single for too long.

I like that he took some time off of his previous relationship because it was a really serious one, but he doesn't date enough celebrities for me.

Like, I think that's actually really hindering his.

growth as a star.

And this is just perfect.

Although I do want to go on record saying I do not think that they are dating.

So what do you think that they are doing?

I think that they're very good friends.

Actually, not to be like so obnoxious, I know that they're very good friends.

And Glenn is also really good friends with Olivia's mom.

It's a great way to start a relationship.

I just want to say Lori was there.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah, no, they're not dating.

Like, sorry.

And I desperately wanted them to.

Maybe they're not dating yet.

Yet.

But like, maybe this was just like a really fun dinner and now they're looking at each other differently.

Right.

Like they're both like spending time with you.

Maybe you're all grown up.

Prontal Loeb looking good on you, single.

Yeah, I want to say it hasn't happened yet for a reason.

I think these two actually spend a lot of time together.

I just don't think that they're dating.

I think they might be looking at each other differently now.

Just like, you know, grown up, the girl that you thought was like kid sister.

And

she just got out of this relationship with Jacob Alordi, who Glenn Powell like definitely hates.

You know, they like compete for roles.

Yeah.

And so maybe now like he's seeing her through that lens.

I mean, I would love it.

I can't stress enough.

I don't don't know who it's better for, like him dating her or her dating him.

I love the whole thing, like obsessed.

I just don't think that it's real.

And I'm devastated about it.

Okay.

Well, until further notice, it could be.

And I like it.

And the whole circle of like young Hollywood single people, heterosexuals, or actually, I guess some buys, are all swapping right now.

Yes, they've all, it's a reset button.

It's like, it's like

musical chairs.

Everybody got up and they're running around again.

Yeah.

So that leads to our second story, which is that Austin Butler was a scene with Emily Radikowski.

And I just want to say, no two people have ever been more perfect for one another.

Like,

I know that these are just like, yes, you're right.

Young Hollywood.

There's like a group of like Jacob Lordy, Kaya Gerber, like, it's like 10 or 15 people.

Jacob, Kaya, Austin, Olivia.

Now we'll throw in Glenn, throw in Harry Styles.

Yeah, Zoe.

Sydney.

Yeah, they all just like swap with one another.

So I know this one like shouldn't feel different, but I'm telling you on a- Pete, Pete, on a personality level and also like just on every level, Emily Radikowski and Austin Butler, based on what I know about them peripherally, like just as like a purveyor of pop, I'm telling you they're perfect for one another.

Although.

I think Austin thinks like he's the star in the relationship and Emily thinks that she's the star in the relationship and that might cause conflict.

But for right now, like no two people are more perfect for one another.

They're even both 34.

Jackie, it's perfect.

Like they're both just like kind of hungry for more.

Something.

Yeah.

I think it's perfect.

And I think they're loving the attention they're getting as a couple.

I'm like, why didn't we think of this sooner?

It's brilliant.

Yeah,

it is.

It is.

What was I?

I was going to say that.

So she's very much in this circle.

She was spotted with Harry Style.

She was spotted with Pete Davidson.

What I was going to say is that it also, you know, who it introduces into this circle

vanessa hudge so mclard mcclard yeah but mcclard like saw the life with emily radikowski and was like respectfully i think i'm okay and backed away and now he's like i think dating a normie that's what we saw at least from yeah firsthand boots on the ground experience at round swamp but like technically yeah like the exes you know he's in the mix mcclardia If you weren't keeping up with us on Patreon this summer, you might not know that like the thing that sort of defined our summer was not only running into Emily Radikowski, Sebastian ex-husband, Sebastian Bear McClure at Round Swamp, but then running into him, talking about him on our Patreon, and then a week later, him coming up to me at the Sag Harbor Carnival, saying he heard what we said, and me taking a picture with him.

You might not know.

No, and then you also might not know if you haven't been around for years that like Claudia's names, including Turdy, Turdy, Claude, like everything that Jackie calls me.

Everything stems from when the days what we were reporting on Sebastian Bear McLard when he was married to Emily Radikowski.

Like he's so integral to the bones of this show.

He's the most influential figure in our lives.

So, seeing him was amazing.

It was,

and you know, when you like something happens in your life and you feel like it, like, redirects the course of your life, like, if it didn't happen, you would have gone on plan A.

Yeah.

But because you just got shifted to track B, I feel like it was one of those sort of shifting moments.

Yeah, shifting sands.

Shifting streisands.

Shifting streisands.

The story of Bruno.

Correct.

That's Bruno's memoir, but that's a story for another day.

So having said that, Olivia Jade and Glenn Powell, I would love, but I just want to go on.

But again, I thought Taylor and Travis weren't dating, so what the hell do I know?

But based on like

my intelligence, I'm going to tell you, not yet.

The other two,

literally, like two people have never been more compatible with one another.

They will be married forever on 120.

I love that for them.

And then our third story is actually some more new couple news, sort of in the mix, because, like, when we go down the Harry Styles, Zoe Kravitz route, Olivia Wilde has a new man, and it's Ellie Goulding's ex-husband, Casper Jopling.

They had a three-hour dinner date, and then she was making out with him, caught on camera.

Oh, wait, I didn't see this.

Hold on.

And how old is he?

She is 41.

He is 33.

And by the way, she loves the young Brit.

She does.

He does look a little bit like Harry Styles.

He's very cute.

What does he do?

He is an art collector.

Classic.

Rich.

Art dealer.

And yeah, I don't know if they ever got married.

He was engaged to Ellie Golding.

No, it's ex-husband.

Page 6, ex-husband.

Okay, okay, I believe them.

Am I crazy or does he kind of look like Ben?

He just wears glasses.

He just wears glasses.

I'm just looking at these paparazzi pictures.

Like, I don't have his headshot in front of me.

Okay, I want to see the paparazzi pictures.

Give me one second.

Okay.

They were out.

They were went to the Pelican in London.

You know, I'm happy for her.

I think that if I ever met her and like, like, I wouldn't like her, but that doesn't mean she's not deserving of happiness.

It doesn't mean like you wish ill on anyone.

No.

But, like, you can say, like, I don't think we'd be the best of friends.

No, there are actually two different types of women, me and Olivia Wilde.

Like, you either are me or you're Olivia Wilde.

Yeah.

Different.

I'm happy for her.

Opposites attract.

So you're saying me and Olivia Wilde are going to date next.

Or be best friends.

Oh, right.

I'm happy for her.

I am.

I feel like, you know,

it was just a crazy time.

It was a crazy time them dating

for so long.

I feel like there's stuff I'm forgetting.

Come on, Harry.

We want to say goodnight to you.

Remember, everybody thought that was her kid, but it wasn't.

Who was it?

Like one of his friends, you know?

Left a voicemail.

Oh, that's cute.

People love that.

Someone needs to sample my voicemail in a song.

Have you ever played your voicemail for the listeners?

I don't know.

We talk about it all the time.

It's the origination of Love You Buy, but Claudia, play it for everyone.

Okay, I'm going to call you.

So just decline.

You guys, this has been my voice.

Can I just give a little backstory?

Yep.

Please.

This has been my voicemail since I got my first phone in the fifth grade.

So I had a...

fifth grader's voice and I recorded my voicemail.

I wrote a little song for my voicemail.

You wrote a jingle.

I wrote a jingle for my voicemail and like it was just always like such a hit amongst like friends and and family that I never felt like I could change it, nor did I want to.

And now, as a grown woman, when people hear my voicemail, they assume it's my children.

Okay, that works.

Yeah, or like, you know, even like 10 years ago, they assumed it was like, I don't know, a niece or nephew.

Like, before I had kids, like, they just assume it's a kid, but it's me.

And I just want to say, you guys are not fucking ready for what you're about to hear, okay?

I'll ignore you.

Oh, I could have pressed.

Wait, you like talked while do it again.

Just be quiet.

Tynebo, we meet.

And now there was a news immediately.

Love ya.

Bye.

Leave a message.

Wait, leave a message.

I'm not okay.

Like, first of all, I don't know if I consciously knew that we say love ya, bye, because it's really.

We know that.

That's where it got, like.

I think, no, no, I knew it subconsciously, but I don't know if, like, every time I say it, I'm like, oh, yeah, voicemail.

You guys, first of all, I haven't heard it in so long because I don't call you.

It's the cutest thing.

Leave a message.

Like, I'm obsessed.

You look like you're.

And if you guys could see what Jackie looked like, like, she was such a little, like, cherubic, pale, red-headed kid.

In other words, I mean, the meaning of me.

Love you.

Bye.

Leave a message.

Stop.

It's so cute.

Leave a message.

It's so cute.

Like, things I did that.

Also, it's expertly written.

It's brilliant.

Like, props to me.

Sonically, slayed, melodically, slayed.

Lyrically.

Lyrically.

You knew she was going to go on to do great things like the camera and the counselor.

Correct.

It all tracks.

I've always been that girl.

A thousand percent.

And she will always be that girl.

So I hope you guys enjoyed that trip down memory.

I know I did.

It was about time.

We talk about it enough.

I think we've played it once.

I don't know.

This feels like a new experience.

I'm not having a lot of fun.

In other words, that means immediately.

It's like, are you dumb?

You don't know what ASAP means?

Even if you are, I'll help you out because I'm a sweet lady.

That's the type of gal I am.

Leave me a message.

Love you.

No wonder why so many people leave me voicemails.

They feel encouraged.

I can only imagine, like, who calls you?

Who?

A lot of people

for different like reasons.

Business people call me and I don't pick up the phone.

Right.

What's the most recent voicemail you got?

Like, I want to know who's hearing that.

Okay.

Oh, well, you know, the tax resolution unit.

Oh, spam, spam.

That doesn't count.

Doctor's offices.

I bet doctor's offices like hear weird stuff.

Yeah.

Because they make a lot of calls.

It was like a little in.

Yeah, it's

doctors.

doctors, family members, just professionals, various professionals.

If, you know, like various professionals.

Like, I had my like rugs cleaned, so like the rug company called me to schedule the delivery.

I didn't pick it up, and so yeah, so I guess they just assumed it was your kids.

It's various professionals for sure.

Got it.

Okay.

Well, it's good that you have a very professional voicemail for all the various professionals who are going to call you.

Exactly.

Exactly.

It's so cute.

I love it so much.

I hope it never goes away.

I mean, unless like Verizon messes with me, it shouldn't.

I have no plans on changing it.

Great.

Are you ready for our fourth story?

We just sort of like accelerated through.

Yeah, that was like a three.

I feel like normally you would do like story one, A, B, and C with those.

I know, but like, they all kind of are their own story.

Like, they were the big things people are spotting this weekend.

Agreed, and they needed to be contextualized.

Agreed.

They each needed their own moment.

Yeah.

Our fourth story is actually something we're getting tagged in a lot, I find on my end of people wanting us to discuss.

And now there's been an update, but last week a video went viral of Logan Paul and Nina Ogdell arguing in their van on their way to a dinner date.

And it's like Ako Taco.

Basically, you can see through the window them, but we realize that they're arguing because as he tries to get out of the car, she's like tripping him with her feet.

She's like in the seat right next to the door.

She really should be getting out first.

Whatever.

He gets out.

So he like climbs over her, but she puts her boot in the way and like tries to trip him.

Yeah.

And then they continue to like walk, just like looking.

And then he walks like straight into the restaurant, and then like she's like two paces behind him.

He doesn't like wait for her.

It kind of is giving like angry.

It looks like they just had a fight in the car.

I mean, what else could it really be?

Yeah.

And then this week they were just at the U.S.

Open and they like recreated the video.

As like a joke.

Like, look, I'm tripping her.

Yeah, like, you're tripping.

And I want to say something.

That video was weird.

I think they were having a fight for sure.

Yeah, for sure.

But like the physical element of it, like definitely, because I love when celebrities get caught fighting with their partners.

It is the most, you want to be relatable to me?

Like that's relatable.

Everyone fights, argues, and it's like, you're in public and what do you do?

Don't make me bring it up again.

I read a shake and Bradley Cooper at Wimbledon.

Okay.

This one felt really different and really weird.

And I liked their approach to responding to the drama, but I don't, it's, like, as somebody who's like, now I'm a fan.

I watch Paul American, like, I'm not satiated.

I think that they're, like, I don't know.

I'm, I'm suspicious.

I am.

Suspicious that what?

Like, the fight is just like a trouble and parody.

It's not like a routine sort of fight.

Like, it's,

I didn't look at this.

It's highly normal.

And I want to say, like, I am in a,

I think, a great marriage.

We fight all the time.

You're in a combative marriage.

No, I'm saying.

Like, I'm in a normal marriage and, like, we fight.

For sure.

Like, we never fight.

Like, no, we fight.

I don't know that like I would take it to that place of tripping now obviously if he tripped her we'd be having a totally different conversation yeah so the fact that it was her tripping him means like it definitely could be nothing

yeah it could be something I'm trying to think like what else it could be other than like an obvious fight plus also like his face when he walks out of the vehicle is like not the face of a of a happy man Now, just because two people are caught fighting does not mean that there's anything going on in their relationship.

Like, I can't stress, actually, it's a healthy, that's what Chase Shetty says.

Like, if you're not fighting, you're not communicating.

It's a sign of a health, a healthy marriage.

I don't know, it just seemed weird.

Like, it's just a moment.

Yeah, no, it was definitely like

an up there sort of, like a level 10 sort of fight.

And their approach in responding to it, like recreating it, like, normally I like that, but I don't know.

Like, the video was weird.

Like, also, I think on the heels of the fact that they just got married, even though when you actually think about it, I do think that's a time when like you fight more.

Of course, one, because there's like so much stress drama involved with planning a wedding, like families blending.

Two, then you go on your honeymoon and nobody talks about like how a honeymoon is literally the most boring thing on the planet.

Like it's just you and your partner.

Like all there is to do is fight and get fat.

Like there's nothing else to do.

So I could see them actually being in the stage that's fight heavy.

Yeah.

Like 10 days after your wedding, more or less.

Like that's not the happiest time in your marriage.

It's actually, it actually wasn't so bad, but

I'm just saying just because they just got married doesn't mean like trouble in paradise, you know?

Agreed, agreed.

Just because weddings can be stressful.

They had a big one

and

maybe it's led to some residual fights.

And it happens.

It's so normal.

Wedding planning is tough.

So do you like see their relationship differently from this video?

Have concerns?

Well, as you guys know, I wasn't ever like fully.

This isn't if it was Jake and Yuta doing this.

Oh my God, if I saw a video like this of Jake and Yuta, because I stand them so hard.

You guys have no idea.

Like sometimes I get involved with something.

Like I watch a show and then once it's over, I like forget forget about it.

No, I follow these two on social media so hard.

I'm like, always just, like, brooding from them, for them from the sides.

Um, I would be shook if that was them.

Yeah.

As you guys know, I'm not obsessed

with these two.

I like them.

But it definitely is like, okay, I'll need to wait and see more.

I need season two to sort of clear things up for me.

What, where they're at?

But I did feel like when I saw them on season one, there were some red red flags, just in like the way that sometimes they spoke to one another, like weird things about their relationship, but they are like living this crazy life.

So, like, maybe I just can't relate to it.

And he's like a huge personality, and she's like living with, like, they're just, it's not necessarily a comparable to like the average Joe.

It's not.

So maybe their fights aren't comparable to the average Joe.

I am looking forward to hearing that they will definitely be discussing this on season two if they're filming, right?

I mean, they talked about everything.

So, yeah.

And they're definitely filming because why wouldn't they have filmed the wedding?

Right.

Assuming, I assume the show was a success season one, that they're getting a season two.

Has there been any reports?

I don't know.

Google.

Chat.

Chat.

I mean, that's really a case for Google.

Will there be a season two of Paul American on Max?

Google could have answered this, I feel.

It's 11-11.

Make a wish.

You know, something about this particular chair, whenever I use ChatGPT, like it doesn't work.

Chat be slipping.

Paul American season two.

Current status, as of mid-May 2025, it's not been renewed, but it hasn't been canceled either.

So it leaves its future uncertain.

On May 16th, an article stated that Max hasn't renewed it yet.

Unclear whether it will return.

Another source from May 2025 echoes that season two has neither been canceled nor renews, noting that season one concluded around that time.

So it says the status of Paul American on Wikipedia is pending.

So yeah, not renewed, not canceled.

I see.

I see.

Okay.

Well, maybe this is the thing that gets them a season two.

Or maybe like this podcast is the push that, you know, someone in the marketing department needs.

What if Tripgate is what like ignites the interest?

Like, oh, we have to capture this.

Yeah.

And I do think that they are filming, though, because I think that like the brothers film the show because they film their lives.

They film everything.

Yeah.

So

it's not for they produce it.

So like they give it to Max.

So maybe they'll put it on YouTube or whatever.

Yeah.

Or maybe it's like Max hasn't bought the second season yet, but someone else could.

But I think that they're filming, and I definitely think they filmed like a docuseries for the wedding.

If, and just like that got three seasons, give the Paul American Brothers a second season.

Give them a chance.

Yeah.

But if just like that got three seasons, it means that they won't because they're prioritizing bad over good.

Right, right, right.

Classic.

It's a classic mix-up.

It's a classic case.

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Our fifth and final story is a new trailer that just dropped for a lifetime movie starring Lisa Rinna and her daughter, Delilah Hamlin.

They are in a movie called Mommy Meanest, which is a film inspired by real-life events.

The real life events chronicled an unknown unknown number about a teenage girl who is cyberbullied, only to discover the culprit behind the horrific text is spoiler alert,

her very own mother.

Okay, Jackie, I just want to say the movie came out last year.

It's not a new trailer, but the trailer's making the rounds because the documentary has gone viral.

So I was just like Googling.

I was like, wait, no, this movie already came out.

I didn't realize Delilah was in it because I saw the trailer and it was like this turrent, like literally 30-year-old looking girl who is playing a teenager, plays the daughter.

So I don't know who Delilah plays.

Delilah plays the daughter.

In a way.

No, she doesn't.

Oh, no.

Brianna Skye plays the daughter.

Plays the daughter.

So who does Delilah play?

She plays

Summer.

Her, the friend, her friend.

Okay.

Oh, yeah, one of the friends.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

This would be so much better.

I agreed.

Oh, wait.

I'm so annoyed.

This was sent to me this morning as like a news story, but now I see that it is from April 2024.

I'm sorry.

I didn't check that, but I still would have chosen that.

I would have given that context.

because Unknown Number just came out on Netflix, everyone's talking about this story that happened years ago, but like it was very much local news.

And so, if you weren't-the story did go like viral in its own bubble, which is why the Lifetime movie got made, right?

But if you weren't following it, like, you didn't know how it ended for most people who watch on Netflix, we did not know how it ended.

And now, of course, after watching it, just like everything else, I'm like, oh, they're gonna make a movie about this.

And then to know, like, Lifetime had already snatched it up, someone's still gonna make like a motion picture about it, but like, I'm sorry, Lisa Renna thinks she already did that.

Perfect casting

this is it first of all perfect casting and throwing delilah bell in there in like a supporting role

just genuine brilliance lisa rinner finds like

she stays at the center of like culture in such a profound way and this is no exception like it's so funny that a dramatized version of this like story already exists and that lisa rinner is the mom is just like it's perfect yeah no she's ahead of the curb i actually want to watch this i love a good lifetime movie.

I'm telling you, not enough people talk about the Wendy Williams lifetime movie, like the biopic.

It was amazing.

Yeah.

So this is Mommy Meanest.

It's based on this story from Unknown Number, which we will now recap.

It's Documentary on Netflix.

Everyone's talking about it.

I mean, I saw so many people posting this, like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.

And even you, once you wrote in the chat, like, oh my God, you guys have to watch this.

Then I was like, okay, plus, I knew you were wanting to talk about it.

So I was like, okay, let me see.

So it's going to be going.

I saw everyone posting about it.

And I only watched it because like I have, you know, time to watch stuff.

And I figured it would be, you know, something I could post and talk about for my job.

I didn't expect to be so shook by it.

And that's when I said to my family, you guys got to watch the most stupidest thing I've ever seen in my fucking life.

I can't believe you were so shook by it.

Like, I'm like, it was not,

obviously, it's not enjoyable.

Surprised?

I don't know, like, kind of not.

I felt like it was, they had alluded to the fact that, like, parents were involved in kids' drama.

So, a couple times I thought it was going to be, like, someone's parent

same.

And also I, the longer I watched, I found it very strange that we were hearing so much from Owen's mom because I know like it was happening to Owen, but it was really happening to Lauren.

And so if like Laura, like they were both victims, but Lauren was the target, Lauren who was the one who like it really took more of a toll on.

And so like, why are we hearing so much from the guy's mom?

And like

the person stalking the two of them like was obsessed with Owen.

Like he like Owen got a glowing treatment.

Like it was really Lauren who this was about.

And I was like, why are we hearing so much from this mom and not the other mom?

Well, because that mom was the one who was really like spearheading, like, it was really like affecting her to try and find out who it is.

Cause like, if it was just Lauren being cyberbullied, of course, Lauren's mom would be like so worried about who it is stalking her child, but she wasn't worried because she knew it was her.

Meanwhile, like, that's a natural mother's reaction when your child is going through this.

So that's why, like,

Owen's mom had a lot to say.

Lauren's mom would have if she wasn't the one doing it.

And I know it's like not about this, but there was like this side story where they tried to

frame this girl, Chloe, and her parents got involved and they're like, Chloe was bullying me.

And Chloe didn't do it.

And it's really terrible that like these grown women framed Chloe.

But just based on vibes, like Chloe is 1,000% a bully because she literally was born to two bullies.

Her parents were so fucking crazy.

And you just know he's like this toxic cop in a small town who like abuses his power.

And then like this wife runs around town being like, yeah, my husband, the cop.

Like, I just know, like, there was this whole backstory of like two years ago, Chloe was like bullying allegations.

And it's like, I believe those allegations because I saw her parents.

Her parents are crazy.

No, but also it was so weird because it was like, Laura, they're telling us Lauren's getting cyberbullied.

And Lauren's a sweet girl, keeps herself, not many enemies, bye-bye.

And then like when the focus points to Chloe, it's like, well, Chloe always hated Lauren.

I'm like, wait, why didn't, like, why wouldn't we have started going down this path when the text first started?

I felt like the way that they told the story, story, like,

um, they intentionally like hid things from us to like drop truth bombs later.

Like even the fact that the mom was interviewed and she's talking about how we went to the school to try and find out who it was, but I didn't think they were doing a good enough job.

So like we're just watching this woman like lie for the sake of our disbelief.

For the sake of like the plot twist.

Yeah, which is just like,

how useless is that?

Yeah, so like the first

defense of Chloe's parents, the dad did say after they interviewed Chloe, they were like, look into the mother.

She's crazy.

Well, we only found that out after

it's glaring that Lauren's mother was crazy, that she didn't have a job, that she had a background in IT.

Right.

Like, how did you guys not know?

Like, why, why didn't they tell us this, like, at the jump, these, these facts that everybody knew?

Well, it was supposed to be like dramatized and I just felt like they

held a lot back so that like the end reveal would be shocking.

But then like,

I mean, and it is shocking.

What's more so shocking is the way that it played out after the fact.

Like she got minimal time in prison.

Like, and they're treating this as like a cyberbullying and stalking case, but it's also pedophilia, the way she's talking to two 13 and 14-year-old children about getting creamy.

Like that was really.

There was a lot to process when you found out that it was the mom.

Like one, like, how could someone do that to their own child?

Telling your own child to kill herself.

To kill themselves.

There were so many layers to what made it so fucked up.

And one of them, yes, was the pedophilic aspect.

Like, you're talking about like giving BJs, making out, getting creamy, like

two years old.

They literally don't even know what you're saying.

They don't even understand the words that you're saying.

And so she, and you can't even listen to anything like she, she said her reason was because,

what did she say her reason was that she did it?

Oh, because at first she was trying to get, you know, help because she says she didn't send those first text messages around Halloween when they started up a few months later.

Then it was her and she was doing it as an attempt to catch the person, which makes no fucking sense.

Which makes no sense, by the way.

And then she got addicted.

And some of the school board people or the investigators said it.

And I don't know, like, I don't know why I just, I'm like, I just believed her when she was like, I didn't send those first ones.

They're like, she definitely sent those first ones.

Yeah, agreed.

I believed her too.

And then I was, because it's like such a random thing to lie.

Why would I fucking, why should I believe anything this woman says?

And so, no, she wasn't sending them to try and catch the first person.

So she was either sending them to like, I thought cyber munchhausen was a great way to put it, to like make her daughter sick and then have to.

And the fact that Lisa Rinna, Munchausen Queen, played the mom in a movie, like, it's perfect.

If you don't know, like, the Lisa Rinna lore of her starting this rumor about Yolan Hadid having Munchausen's, which, like, low-key, like, she probably did.

Um, it's literally what got her fired from the show, like, years later.

Like, it's literally,

it's, it's crazy.

Yeah, I thought that was a good take on it, that it's cyber munchausen, like, making your kids sick and, like, miserable and depressed so that they really need you.

um but then also

or was she doing it because she like had eyes for owen right they was like jealous of her daughter at the end that like she acted weird around owen like and even

if she didn't do it because she had a crush on owen which was like as obviously pedophilic the way that she was speaking to two minors is pedophilia

agreed and

Something that really pissed me off when they didn't press her hard enough in the interview.

No.

and when they were asking her, like, you know, you're telling your daughter, like, you know, you know, her insecurities, that she's insecure about her weight.

And then so much of what you're saying to her is calling her anorexic flat ass bitch.

Like, so you know, your daughter's insecurities and you're using them against her.

They didn't press her hard enough.

And then they were like, do you think that maybe you said that because you were insecure about your own weight?

Like, you were very thin.

And she was like,

Yeah.

Like, you weren't that skinny.

Sorry.

Like, you look normal.

I, yeah.

They, they really let her off the hook.

They let her off.

It's crazy when they get the person in the documentary and you get to see how crazy they are because only a crazy person would agree to do that.

They did not push her at all.

And if they did, they didn't include it.

Like,

it was kind of not satisfying.

I was like, oh, great.

Let's hear from the crazy person.

And to the point that we didn't get answers.

So, yes, not satisfying to like just be like, and this is what happened.

And this, she's going to tell you why.

This is why she did it.

But we have really don't know why she did it.

There are a lot of theories.

And I believe maybe the Chloe's dad said it or someone said it and people online believe that Lauren was actually involved because it's so crazy and her reaction on the body camera was not so crazy.

Although she's a teenage girl who just found out something so crazy like A lot of people think she was in on it.

I don't, but they think that she was in on it to frame Chloe because Chloe had been bullying her and this was just like an elaborate scheme her and her mom cooked up to get Chloe expelled or whatever.

I don't think that Lauren was involved.

I think people just can't really understand why Lauren doesn't despise her mom.

How she could be so forgiving.

Look what Gypsy Rose did when she was Munchausened, you know, and instead Lauren's emailing with the person, sending incessant messages with the person who was sending you hate messages.

I don't think Lauren was in on it.

And even if she were in on it, she's obviously been like so manipulated by this crazy person that I have no issue with Lauren or her handling of things.

And I actually can understand Lauren's position.

It seems so crazy, but she's also still a kid.

Like maybe she'll grow up and realize how crazy it was and hate her mom and never talk to her again, but it's not that crazy that she stayed in contact with her mom.

And they're not even that close.

Like she lives with her dad, and she doesn't really talk to her mom.

Right.

But I don't think it's so crazy that she, her reaction and, and the body camera, like, wasn't this explosive.

She's still a kid.

Yeah.

Or she, like, knew about it.

And so those messages never really affected her.

You know, she wasn't really like reading them.

Because she knew it was her mom and they had this like bigger plan.

But again, I wouldn't fault her if she knew because like she's literally 13.

right um and she's so young in the documentary and this happened to her like years ago yeah you know she was so young when it happened at its core it's so fucked up and like every there's like memes about like because it's so crazy but like at its core it is the most fucked up thing ever Yeah, it's really insane.

I feel bad for the dad and his storage unit.

Like, oh my God, that was really upset.

And his storage unit, like, first of all, when the dad came home and found out that it was his crazy ass wife and he immediately was like, well, she's got 11 phones.

That didn't seem curious to you.

I guess it's so crazy that, like, it would be your wife, the mom.

But, like, you know that your wife works in IT, has a million phones, and like, is low-key crazy?

Yeah, but I guess, like, if that's your wife, and they were still together.

So, like, he obviously loved her and like wouldn't think she would be capable of something like this.

Otherwise, he wouldn't have stayed married to her.

And I would, I do want to say I disagree with Chloe's dad on that point.

I don't think the dad of the family was involved whatsoever.

Chloe's dad said he thought all three of them were.

And he might be on to something about Lauren, but I don't think Mr.

Storage Unit had any idea.

No, when Mr.

Storage Unit was talking about the unit, I wanted to kill myself.

It was so sad.

Like everything I'd ever worked for in my whole life gone.

Yeah.

And like the fact that she was pretending to have a job.

A job.

Instead, she was like going out to the shed and writing hate mail all day long.

Like he had no idea.

The she shed

from her various phones and computers.

No, what a fucking crazy bitch.

And you guys, Jackie had the funniest reaction.

I posted it on my Instagram, but if you didn't see, she was like, I can't believe people in this town didn't know it was the mother.

Like, look at her tech neck.

There's only one person in this town whose neck looks like she spends all day on her phone.

And it's so true.

Literally, this woman is atrocious.

Yeah, like they're looking at the school cameras.

I actually thought the school handled it pretty well.

Yes, I thought the same thing.

I would, when the mom was like, I, to this day, don't feel like they did enough.

I was like, great.

How did the school drop the book?

And I was like, that was

my mom.

Owen's mom said she was annoyed that they didn't let them go into the classrooms and ask parents.

No, and ban phones too.

Yeah, but like, I think they wanted to ask parents to take their kids' phones and look through them.

And the school was like, that's not going to go how you want it to.

And so she was annoyed that they didn't let them do that.

It wouldn't have even mattered because it wasn't a student.

Lauren's mom said, we went to the school board.

And honestly, I didn't feel like they were doing enough.

She's so crazy.

I didn't realize now in perspective that it was the mom.

Cause I remember thinking, I'm like, wait, I feel like actually the school did a lot, like watching surveillance, setting up like traps.

Yeah, saying like text us when they text you, setting up traps, yeah.

Like, yeah, I thought they actually did a lot, and I was really impressed.

And I think that there should be like a ban on phones in all schools, but obviously like safety reasons, it's not 100% feasible.

So the fact that the school wouldn't do a ban is annoying, but it wouldn't have stopped because the person sending the text was a grown-ass woman, right?

Right.

And maybe they should have brought the police in sooner because I feel like it was like a year or you mean the FBI.

Well, first it was the sheriff, but the sheriff didn't come in like for a while and then the sheriff brought it to the FBI.

And I wasn't sure if we were supposed to think that like the sheriff was stupid or bad at his job,

but I thought he did all he could.

It seems like pretty like neutral good.

Yeah, he had like a big binder.

He was trying.

Yeah, and he like was taking it very seriously.

Maybe

he like didn't consider like, I don't know, maybe he focused too much on Chloe, but like things were pointing in that direction.

He followed the trail.

Yeah, he followed the trail.

And Adriana.

So Owen's cousin.

Let me just tell you when they put it on the screen, like when they were like, there was only one person from school who was at the family Christmas who could have taken this photo.

And then they're like, boom, Adriana.

I'm like, she did it.

Yeah, of course.

The fact also that there was a picture from like inside the house.

Yeah, like was

Lauren's family at the Christmas.

How did she get that photo?

Yes, they were there.

They were the two family Christmases.

It wasn't just Owen's family Christmas.

Yeah, I feel like the picture from inside the house on Christmas like should have been like the biggest indicator that it was your mom.

Like

who was standing right next to you, you know?

Yeah.

Or someone in that room.

Like start collecting the phones of the people in.

Adriana, enter Adriana, who was in that room and goes to the school.

Right.

Oh, she made me so upset.

She was so sweet, like a little brace-faced girl who obviously just like

she doesn't fit in in this small town.

And, you know, she's going to go on to do great things and talk about her time in that town.

And like,

it was really upsetting.

Like,

I'm an empath.

Like, I just really like, I wanted to cry when I saw Adriana.

And also, when they said that Chloe scored 12 points, so it had to have been Chloe.

It's either Chloe or the person she knew scored.

The person that knew that Chloe scored.

The score keeper.

The crazy ass mom.

No, but like she was right there.

That's what it is.

Like she was right there in the middle of it.

Like, oh, it was the, you know, she was there the whole time.

Like it was seriously, it's not funny.

The scorekeeper.

Because I'm like, who else would, does Chloe even know she scored 12 points?

Like, who really?

And also, like, who keeps scored that thoroughly, like, on their fingers at a kids' basketball game?

The scorekeeper, perhaps.

And now that we know it's the mom and we like look back at all the things that the mom did, yes, I do think that it was her obsession with Owen because why would she have texted Owen's new girlfriend from Pensatucky or whatever?

Why did they ask her that?

Why didn't anyone ask that question?

Yeah.

And that girl obviously wanted no part of this story.

She's not in the documentary at all.

But it's an important factor because if it was all about, you know, getting close to your daughter, then you would have kept it within your town.

But the fact that Owen went on to have another girlfriend from a town like 45 minutes away and you went and found that girl's parents, right?

Yeah.

And texted them like antagonists.

And you're obsessed with Owen.

Because you work at 9 tape.

And you wanted to fuck Owen.

Yeah.

Nobody asked, why did you then extend it?

If you were just doing it to protect your daughter and find the person who's doing it, why?

Because you didn't send 50 messages a day harassing your daughter to find the person who once sent her a text message.

No, you became addicted to it.

Telling her not to come to a party.

If it started like she said it did, to like get down to the bottom of it and then she just became addicted, sure.

But I like this theory more that she's a pedophile.

And I wish they dove a little bit more deep into

an offhanded remark from Owen's mom being like, yeah, she was always weird around Owen.

I'm going to need more information.

I feel like

she sent the first text for the party.

I feel they had said that it's a party for parents and adults and that Lauren wasn't invited, which means her parents weren't invited either.

And I think Lauren was still going to go with Owen.

And her mom wanted her to stay home.

And then sent her to her.

And not go to this cool party that her her and her husband weren't invited to right so sent a text to her bullying her out of going to the party and she saw that she got her way and then a year like an effective method yeah a year later when things weren't going her way in terms of her job and then her 13 year old guy she just she wanted her daughter to stay she wanted like she's like oh like maybe i could just send her hate mail and i'll get the things that i want out of her and we could stay home this weekend and go to the movies and yeah and like oh when we'll stop coming around or like owen will be ready for me to cut up his steak that's a very very good theory too for the cutting up the steak yeah i think the party like i think that's it and and so you have to operate under the assumption that like she sent those text messages of course why would she send 2000 and not 2002 like it's absurd yeah and

Why would like they stopped after the party so like why would she then restart it to find out who sent this irrelevant like text kids send memes right it's over It's over let a sleeping dog lie and it seems like there's only one person in this tiny town who's like truly capable of sending unknown messages on this like techie app yeah someone who works in tech

it did make me like really fearful of like having kids with their own social media accounts like it's so toxic like those tick tocks and the snapchats like it's just even though it was like a grown-ass woman doing the whole thing it just gave me a pit

yeah and definitely i don't see why you can't say like no phones at school

i guess like if there's like an active shooter situation

you know but like you then take it out of it, it shouldn't come out of your backpack.

Like, I think that that's what most schools try to do, but the kids, like, you can't get every single kid to get off their phone, they're addicted.

Yeah, but then, okay, if they are on their phone when they're not supposed to eat you, take it away, right?

Right.

I don't see why that's such a big problem.

We weren't just like in class, like rata,

texting,

no, right?

I guess we'll be at a free period and like things can go down there, but

I don't know how you stop that trade, like kids, social media on the phones.

There's that book,

The Anxious Generation.

I know.

That's what everyone's talking about.

Right.

I don't know.

I don't have a perfect solve.

And I just feel like that was like one issue highlighted in this documentary, although it wasn't the focus.

I have no idea.

Me neither.

I hope they don't make a movie out of this story.

Like, I'm already over it.

I didn't think it was like that.

Compelling to begin with, and certainly like not satisfying.

And then the wind up, she's not she's like out it's over um right right so i don't need to like see four iterations of this like the first was fine enough i just love the dad like i hope there's a nice woman in the town i need keeping his bed warm i need storage wars to go and find the person who bought his storage unit and return it all to him and then i could sleep I agree.

The storage unit is sort of like the unsung tragedy because obviously the tragedy is this mother attacking her own daughter, but what's not getting highlighted enough is the devastation of the loss.

And the daughter's not mad, so like, what, should I be mad for her?

No, she's she's confused.

Yeah, it's a very complex range of emotions.

Yeah.

And Owen's big mad.

Owen's big mad.

As he should be.

Seriously, freaky.

So let's get that storage unit bad.

If you, like, what's his name?

Like, if you you bought a storage unit and you see his name,

like, I'm going to go into like pawn shops and like antique stores for the rest of my life, like, looking for his name on items that I can send back to him.

Yeah, I agree.

Kendra.

Kendra.

Her name would be Kendra.

Sorry to Kendra's listening, but like she's such a Kendra.

Roy

La Bissa or something.

Like, she had a, like, a.

Let me look at that.

Hold on.

Lakari.

Kendra Lakari

in another life she could have been a movie star with that name yeah well she definitely is a star starry

sister came on

slay the house down boots sister in a bar

she was in a bar cousin just clocked her cousin yeah they're cousins that she said her mother were sisters they grew up like sisters because they were both only children to sisters yes it was like kendra loves attention like so that was important context they clocked kendra real quick with that she'd be dancing over there i loved her and she's the whole town was talking about her they didn't know who they were talking about but like she had captured the attention of the town she was a star in her own in what she was doing yeah mission accomplished

for kenny for kendra

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