The Truth About Sojourner: Wednesday, March 19th, 2025

I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy day.
Don't forget to tell me someone you love. And speaking of somebody I love who is dressed like Kim Possible.
You literally look like so possible today. Hey, Jax, how are you doing? You think so? Hey, I'm doing good.
I know when I wear this color pants, like I have to be really careful. You do with your hair.
Slope. Your complexion and your hair and my little red naked mole wrap broody porcelain skinned redheaded women need to be extremely cautious of the color camo i actually spoke about this in my patreon shopping vlog because i was showing off these pants and i got them also in a darker color and i was wearing a black top and i was like i can't wear a black top with this because i know but i felt i felt like I was marked safe because I was wearing a green and white polo.
Kim would never. Yeah, but it's more green.
Like, it's more Kim Possible. Oh, we cranked up the Kim? Yeah, while it's not a direct replica of Kim's outfit, it's definitely heavily inspired.
Kim coated. And maybe there's a little she-go in there.
To be clear, you look amazing. Like, it wasn't a negative compliment.
No, and the thing is, like, Kim Possible's kind of gargy-pargy. I just don't want to look like her.
Name someone skinnier and better shape, like, than Kim Possible. She was, like, a full-time student, a full-time spy.
No, and also, like, doing good, like, a beacon of morality. Her community.
Morality. And she was constantly saving her community.
It's true. Like, I should aspire to be like her.
I shouldn't run from it. I don't know why it's not a comparison that, like, I welcome, even though she's really gorgeous and I should step into the light.
Step into yourself. Yeah, I guess because it's just like, I don't know.
Because there are other people that I'm like, oh, I would like to look like him, but why not Kim? Why not Kim? She's snatched to the gods. She was wearing a crop top.
Yeah. No.
Like tiny waist. Body, yaddy, yaddy.
Cute face. Literally.
Swim waist. Waist wear.
Like seriously. No, it's so true.
And Ron like would die for her. Oh, my God.
Ron would have died on the cross for Kim for sure. Obsessed beyond.
Do you thinkon was at all inspired by ron weasley now that i'm thinking about it like redheaded best friend sidekick i don't know i think it might just be like a name that wait was ron also redhead no but he was blonde there's definitely red in his roots he definitely gene. Well, we have a great show today.

It's hump day.

It's Real Housewives of Beverly Hills day.

I'm feeling, you know, I'm feeling different and new.

Because you got your massage in your career.

Because I got my, and I don't know how to, how do you pronounce this word?

P-E-R-I-N-E-A-L.

Perennial.

I said perennial. By the way, you're asking the wrong person how do you pronounce this yeah well i thought you would know because you're very into like women's health i am very into women's health thank you for noticing however like when it comes to the perineal you'll have to ask lauren elizabeth i think what you just said was right perinealum, perineum, is like the area that you tear in when you give birth.

And so it's very common to do perineal massages to help stretch, relax the muscles.

You know, you start in the third trimester.

And so part of my physical therapy journey yesterday was the first session where I got one of those massages.

Now, I've heard of people doing them at home.

Your partner can help you.

It's like really not a big deal.

But I, you know, I whipped out the big guns and she gave me one and then she like,

she gave me like graphics to show Ben

so that, you know, we can do them at home twice a week.

And it was definitely a part of the physical therapy journey

I was worried about.

I can't lie.

And I think the word massage is not right because a massage implies like there's going to be enjoyment.

Finger banging.

No, it's not a finger banging at all.

It's on the outside of the vagina.

Like it's just like it's not at all a finger banging.

We had this conversation on the phone yesterday and I feel like I suffered through it once.

Well, the listeners need to know.

Not for lack of like interest or anything.

It's just like at a certain point.

Take your helmet off.

Thank you. I feel like I suffered through it once.
Well, the listeners need to know. Not for lack of like interest or anything.
It's just like at a certain point. Take your helmet off.
At a certain point with childbirth and all that business. You're on your own.
At a certain point. No, it's none of your business.
Like for a while you won't feel anything. You won't see anything.
Just close your eyes, Codgers, okay? Of course. No, what I'm preparing to do is more so for like after birth because you know and i only like recently found this out and i want to shout out to ashley darby because i feel like when she was talking about her journey on the real houses of potomac she like ripped her whole vagina so you can so basically and ben was like i'm feeling faint so your perineum is the strip of skin that is like between the bottom of your vagina and the top of your butthole.
Like it's like what in a man we call the gooch. And so Ben was calling it a gooch the whole time and I was cracking up.
After we were talking about that yesterday, I was parked next to a car that's license plate was gooch. Excuse me? I meant to take a picture, but there was a lot going on in the car and I had to leave.
Go is such a crazy word. That's their license plate.
That might be like their nickname. Hey, Gucci.
Who would want that as a nickname? I don't know. It's also known as the ABC, the ass ball connector.
So for women, it's the vagina tissue connector. And that's where you rip, you tear if you tear in childbirth.
Now, if the lucky women, you know, you only tear a little bit. Like you were telling me, you tear a little bit.
But it can go. Industry standard.
Correct. It can go all the way.
That's happened to Ashley Darby. Take it all the way.
Some people tear all the way that you don't even have a tissue and a vagina. You just have one big thing.
Then they sew it up. And recovery is very hard.
So these perineal massages are just meant to get the muscles down there ready, stretch, and you're basically just applying pressure to the perineum. It wasn't a massage in the way that, you know, a typical massage would go.
And it wasn't a finger banging because there was no inside work. It was just on the outside.
Okay. Thank you for that.
I would like to know since that's what we call it in PT inner work, since we do have this really big focus group of women, it's actually really great to pull them. Has anyone done all of this the physical therapy the perineum and still ripped okay it's very pop a badly yeah because it's very possible like rip like rippers gonna rip it's a big baby like a watermelon i don't give a rip it's a watermelon like coming out of a pea-sized hole yeah but like has anyone done everything right and still bad like Like, does this actually help or is it placebo? And of course, yeah, it doesn't not help.
But does it help? No, I think it helps. I think it helps.
Let me know, please. Jackie's just like kind of, it's so not granola of you to like doubt my, I'm doing like very granola like things, my stretches, my breathing exercises.
I would think that you would like it. I would, but at a certain point like you're muchkering too much well i'm i'm not like putting things up my vagina i'm just like you know putting pressure on the outside of it it's getting to a

point of muchkering which you know i'm anti-muchker i am the muchker queen now muchker is a yiddish

word for like fussing with fuss with something like always so like the joke is that like i'm

always muchkering with the kids and that's why they hate me because i'm always like giving them

Thank you. queen now much is a yiddish word for like fussing with fuss with something like always so like the joke is that like i'm always muchering with the kids and that's why they hate me because i'm always like giving them hugs and kisses and they just want to like run free when you much girl with something too much like oh your makeup looks good but you're much green stop putting things on my hair and i just like kept fixing it much green yeah instead of just like leaving it it's such a good yiddish word and they're really i know like fussing with is probably the closest English equivalent, but it doesn't slay in the same way.

It's true.

So what Jackie's saying is like, you know, my vagina is in a very unique state right now.

Let's not much care with it.

Yeah.

Let's not much care more than needs much caring.

More than that's already been much care.

And like you go to the doctor, they much care.

They much care at the doctor.

They are testing the limits of much caring.

Right.

And that's, that's like kind of the acceptable confines of much green. So I wouldn't add to your load.
Yeah. And it is a load bearing vagina right now.
So that's all it is. I'm anti much care.
I support you, though, and your homeopathic remedies. Yeah, definitely Ben's influence.
You know, he loves to hear about what goes on in physical therapy. And I was telling my physical therapist, she's like, well, a lot of people have their spouses and partners do it.

Is that something you think your partner would be comfortable with? I'm like, oh, you've never met my partner.

He's going to be so excited.

Like he loves – I was telling her that he's like central medicine.

He's talking about it on his podcast.

Yeah.

Oh, speaking of, I don't want to blow up the good guy spot, but like they're going to do something like really crazy.

What?

It might be like – you know what it is. What? They have an episode coming out.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He teased it on this episode and texted me the name so like people.
Oh, okay. And it comes out next week.
And I don't want to be annoying. It's a special project.
It's kind of like the biggest thing the good guys have ever done. I want to say it might be one of the biggest things ever done on a podcast.
I'm being dead serious. Like, I know that sounds so crazy.

But you'll find out in a few days, you guys.

And I just, like, because me and Ben were talking about it this morning, I can't get over it.

Yeah.

But, you know, we don't want to dangle it in front of you.

Yeah, it is annoying.

They're doing, like, a secret project.

And it's really nice of you to hype it up for them. It's, unfortunately, it's, a natural hype.
I'm not like promoting, you know? That's even worse. I know.
I hate when the good guys like do good stuff. They do a lot of good.
They do a lot of good for their community. They should start a foundation like called the good guys.
They should. It just feels like a natural extension of their brand.
The running joke on the good guys is that because they film by Coast Silly, Josh is in LA, Ben is in New York, and they film remotely, they have to do like a significant lead time. So I think they're pretty much running like a week or two behind.
You know, the episode that's coming out this week was recorded two weeks ago. And so the running joke is like if you want to hear about the Oscars, like you'll hear it two weeks after.
So Ben, me and Ben have been talking a lot about this. You told that joke on the show.
Oh, my God. Well, the Tracy Morgan throwing up story is like kind of Ben's Roman Empire.
Like he's the biggest Knicks fan. And he was like, yeah, we talked about it to the good guys today.
Can't wait for everyone to hear it in two weeks. Like when Tracy's fully recovered out of the hospital.
Yeah. That's such a, you go and bring it back up.
And that's kind of why we will always be better than the good guys. Oh yeah.
We don't let. Could our turnaround time be any quicker? No, like it literally couldn't.
Literally couldn't. Before I finish this sentence, the episode will be up.
It's so true. It's Sojourner's Truth.
You are Sojourner's Truth. You are.
I am. And you are Cojourner's Truth.
And I want to say something about Sojourner, the woman. Do you know her? I have no idea who that is.
I think it's time for a little history.

No, I kind of like not knowing, but is she a Native American?

I think so.

And what is her truth?

I think it's just her last name.

Okay, no.

So she, Sojourner Truth.

Oh, you're right.

It's her last name.

Yeah.

She was an American abolitionist, an activist for African American civil rights, women's

rights, and alcohol temperance. She died in 1883.
That definitely feels more contemporary than I had thought. Oh, also like I thought she was Native American, not African.
No, she was born into slavery, but escaped with her infant daughter to freedom in 1826. Honestly, queenie behavior.
And you should be proud to be so generous. You know, now I feel like when we like say it like as a joke like it's not right yes but i also feel like we're bringing her back in like yeah she might be forgotten relevance but like we have a huge platform and i think people should know the name and not only know the name sojourner because we knew the name i didn't know the story but know what she's about no more confusion around sojourner queen okay truth was her last name oh i that that part i knew i thought maybe she wrote a book called so and it's because i make it memoirs of a sojourner's truth so because we keep saying sojourner's truth when her name we added a possessive apostrophe her name is sojourner sojourner truth yeah and what is she famous for she's famous for her powerful advocacy for both abolition and women's rights she delivered a famous speech called ain't i a woman at the women's rights convention in 1851 um okay sounds like queenie of the week and then there's like rumors about her that she had 13 children but she's known to have had and what if she did and what if she did even more so queenie but then she turns out she has five so that's just like not the rumor mill like a blaze with things about sojourner they're lying on mistruth i love that yeah so that's your little hurt story lesson for the day i actually loved learning that thank you so much i did too and you know if nothing major happens, like nominee for Queenie of the Week.
Oh, 1000%. I already, I was already like making a note of it.
I actually have my Queenie of the Week brewing. And you know, if nothing else happens, she shall win.
Okay. Well, hopefully it's a quiet rest of the week.
Hopefully, but you never know. We do have the Real Hospice of Beverly Hills recap.
I actually thought it was an excellent episode, like ripe for recapping. Lots of interesting dynamics shifting.
Yeah, and I watched Watch What Happens Live. Leslie Bibb was on from White Lotus with Garcelle.
Did you watch? Yeah. I saw like all the viral moments via clips.
And when she said, who are you, Dorit? Because she asked a very valid question. When Garcelle said that to Leslie Bibb, I was like, oh my God.
We're actually getting along because they were both both on the wb together they knew each other from back in the day of being actresses yeah but then they were like beefing about the drama like leslie i think leslie bibb like is on our yeah very anti-sutton and then garcelle is garcelle so it's like so funny to watch them argue about the drama and he was like not happy last night he was like really in a very tense and like just kept talking over them like when they were like kind of chatting on like he just like kept like putting his foot down early on in the episode leslie been cursed and i do feel like that's a huge trigger for him because he gets mad that they have to like bleep it i know but it's not his job to bleep it first of all and second of all a lot of watch weapons live these days are not even recorded live like that this was recorded at noon. So, like, to bleep it out is so not a big deal.
Do they get fined or something? Like, why does he get so mad? And she said it, it was like in a way, she was answering questions and she was like being dramatic so it was like a big reaction so it was like funny and he just like, his whole mood changed, Cochers. Wow, really? Yeah.
So, the only problem with that show is that it's really predicated on Andy's mood. And you can tell some nights, and I read it in his book.
So then it really made me super aware of it. Like some, and I don't think he does it so much anymore, but he was talking about this time in his life where he would, you know, smoke a lot of pot or drink a lot before the show.
And so you could always tell his mood was like shifting if he was high, if he was sober, if he was not. And then he was doing dry January and he was in a bad mood every night.
So his mood is so important to like the tenor of the show.

And he's kind of like a diva.

And so, I mean, everyone has bad days, but you have to kind of pretend.

Yeah, he was like not vibing with them.

And just when they were like having like a girly moment,

he would just be like on to the next reading the teleprompter.

Really?

Angry Spice.

Yeah, that was how it came off.

I feel like that's really unlike him with a non-Bravo person.

I feel like with the Bravo guests, he can like, he's the boss.

Like, you can- like really angry spice yeah that was that's how i feel like that's really unlike him with a non-bravo person i feel like with the bravo guests he can like he's the boss like he can do whatever he wants but with leslie bibb who's like this really legit actress and who's also having a huge moment because of white lotus you would think he would you know uh put his best foot forward yeah and he had said he started watching white lotus the night before he had just started watching the season so like maybe he was just not like fully in like obsessed yet it was just like oh this random actress but i don't think so no and she's not a random actress she's not and her husband and he was asking the husband's monologue oh leslie bibbs said something that like i'm genuinely asking a question like i'm not being facetious because she was talking about her husband's monologue that's gone viral the lady boy and like the sobriety and celibacy and she said how the monologue was so brilliant and she said it really like captures what this season is about someone please explain i'm not someone like i thought i thought i thought we were just having fun i thought it was like yeah i thought it was like just an amazing story this man and like a funny thing and how is that what this season is about i'm maybe we have to wait and see i'm asking i'm saying i don't i'm raising my hand teacher like i don't understand can you explain it again please maybe somebody can sound off in the comments that's what i'm really asking like i'm genuinely not facetiously please how is that what the season is about the rumors are always swirling about andy like when the day comes that he'll step down and i feel like every like you know year or two there's like oh it's happening he's stepping down and i saw like a bunch of clips heather mcdonald was talking about it that she's heard rumors now again that he's stepping down and who's going to take over yada yada and while i don't know that this time is going to be the time there will be that time right and what does that look like i feel like it doesn't look like Andy Cohen again I feel like one nobody ever makes like the second coming yeah I think that they might branch off the role into different pieces like someone does reunions someone does watch what happens live I think they have a lot of different people because no one ever just makes a hard choice like this is the next Andy Cohen deal with it and Andy like say what you want about him he is kind of a once in a generation kind of brain like you can't be everything nobody can do like the best reunions the best watch drop inside the best Bravo con you can't really it's he created Bravo that's why he can yeah do all those things but an average person couldn't yeah and maybe it's someone different for housewives reunions versus. And maybe it should be that because he's not as equally invested in all shows.
And we can have someone who's equally invested in all shows. But I think that they'll splinter off the role.
The responsibilities. I do.
That's interesting. I would like if they didn't.
I would like to have someone that we could all be excited about. Yeah.
But that's just not what's typically done. And I think as that person, you get pretty spread thin.

So maybe it's for the best. Yes.

And maybe that's what we were seeing last night reflected in Andy's mood.

He was just feeling a little.

I think that's what we see every day reflected in Andy's mood in every reunion.

Like he's such a curmudgeon.

He is a curmudgeon.

But the thing is, is that Watched Rebens Live is like not live anymore.

I think once a week it's actually live.

So the tapings are all like that day or that afternoon. And they're all like according to Andy's schedule.
So it's very accommodating for him. I don't know why he does radio Andy.
So he has this very busy schedule and I think all these different parts of his life, they accommodate him and his kind of crazy timeline. And so I don't know that the mood is an excuse anymore.
Like we've, we've accommodated. No.
And the mood's like not an excuse. No, like midnight, you're doing a show every 30 minutes now.
You have kids at home. Like, I understand.
Maybe some nights you're going to be in a bad mood. Yeah.
But now, it's like, it's noon. I don't know.
Like, the past couple of times people have invited me to come to Watch What Happens Live with them, it's like literally at 12 o'clock. Yeah.
I'm like, okay, so it's Watch What Happens. I actually feel like it might be harder to get into the energy then yes that's true because it's not like nighttime cocktail actually no it was live last night they were doing polls yeah so when they do polls it was live you know that it's live okay okay there you go there you go well we'll get into the tv recap at the end of the show how are the stories the stories are um interesting and varied we have a lot to chew on today.
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The most important part of your day? Is that what you said? Mm-hmm. Okay.
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You're welcome Jo. Our first story there's a podcast clip that's kind of going viral that we need to discuss because Tina Fey is admitting that she judges rich people who have side hustles.
So Tina Fey went on Amy Poehler's podcast called Good Hang with Amy Poehler. She revealed.
Which is a new podcast we didn't welcome Amy to the space yet. Welcome to the space.
She seems like a no brainer for the space. She seems like a no brainer.
She has real personality. She's funny.
She has a lot of famous. She has real fans like people.
And she doesn't do a lot. So when she does like people pay attention.
And she has a lot of famous friends. Tina Fey being one of her first guests.
And the other one was. She launched two episodes like with the trailer, which I like also.
I hate when people announce a podcast and then like wait a month. Yeah, classic.
She announced the podcast. Yeah, right.
Keeping up with sports. She announced the podcast and then released two premium episodes with Tina Fey and Martin Short.
Oh, cute. Okay.
So like she's putting in the work. She's got video up.
She's doing it right. Okay.
So then they had a conversation because Amy started asking Tina, like, why haven't you come out with your own glasses? Because I, you know, her glasses are so iconic. That's funny.
And she said, I have a problem with rich people having a side hustle. She said, if you already have like $200 million, I judge it.
So they started talking about like examples because she was saying like, because Amy was like, like a podcast. She was like, no like no because like we're working but like if you just come out with a brand of and it was like rosé she's like yeah I judge it like you know actresses people with this much money like don't need to be doing these like random other projects so this has started a lot of discourse most of it like really positive about Tina because like she's not greedy and she's not gonna slap her name anything.
But I at first when I watched this clip and then I saw a longer clip that like made it make a little more sense. But at first when I watched this clip, first of all, I couldn't understand like who she's what she's saying, like who she's talking about, what kind of brand, because Amy like never also let her finish her sentence.
Like she threw in Rosé. She threw in a podcast.
So to me, like she was talking about the Kardashians, right? To me, no. no to me she's talking about cameron diaz and her wine brand she's talking about jessica beale and her kinder light which by the way i love so like maybe she as an actress didn't need to start a clean pedialyte but like we needed a clean pedialyte so thanks jessica beale so she's talking about jennifer gardner once upon a farm because she talks about the actress with the children's medication.
So, of course, I did. Who has children's children's parents and who has wine? Like to me, Cameron Diaz Aveline is who she's talking about.
OK, and people were like gagging over this clip. Like, yes, relatable, Tina, like not greedy.
I personally found it to be like such hater energy because I don't have a problem with celebrities who starts brands because actually the thing I like about it is that you can be the most famous beautiful woman in the world and JLo beauty flops. Like it's kind of the great equalizer.
And some people who are like not even huge celebrities have huge companies. Olivia Munn being an investor in Poppy.
I actually like it and I felt like the clip was so hatery. And like while Fey doesn't do that she doesn't not step out of what she got famous for which was comedy acting she writes she produces she did Broadway she's the face of a Capital One credit card like she does other things now they're all with and she she sees it more as well yeah we're working like Amy and her podcast is working so like when they do it it's okay as opposed to just like licensing and putting your name on something.
I would say like if she's writing, producing, like that's all in the same bucket of like her creative whatever. The Capital One commercials are interesting.
If we're not just here. She wrote a book.
If we're not just here for a money grab. She wrote a book.
I'm saying she's done things and they're all like, yeah, connected. But Jessica, Jennifer Garner is a mom.
So that's connected. Like you could connect anything just I think that the distinction that she's making is so so slim because for yes like writing a book technically doesn't fall into this category when she was saying to Amy like where's the line for you it's like it's such a small okay so you're saying there's a box of things that Amy can't do right okay and some people have done things outside in the box of of things that you don't think that they should do.

Like, okay.

Yeah, I don't know.

And it felt like, not to sound just like Taylor Swift, but it sounded like all the people she was referencing and referring to are mostly women, right?

Because this is kind of a girly thing to do. I don't know, then it's also like George Clooney.

Okay, okay, fair, fair, fair.

Because you know Taylor Swift did say about Tina and Amy, there's a special place in hell for women who don't support other women.

And she was talking about Tina and Amy. I don't know.
I like, people were gagging over the clip. First of all, I didn't think it was that like a revolution.
Like why did this clip go viral? I don't know. It wasn't like a hot take or a good call.
What's funny is I saw it like organically on reels and then I, and I watched and I was like, I don't understand what they're saying because neither of them have finished a sentence and then I kept seeing it like being reshared and like people with their takes on it and I think most people were congratulating teeny tina for yes teeny for this thing because it's like it's anti you know green capitalist and then also Amy Poehler saying well Gen Z is like no you should have a million hustles and I just don't think that's what Gen Z is saying either I don't think so either like Gen Z is all Luigi'd I think it's multi Generational to like diversify your Revenue streams like to have multiple incomes That's just like good business And I think like any Actress would or any like any of the people That she she's talking about like yeah they want to make Money but it's also that like as that, like, as a woman, you have a certain amount of time to, like, book certain roles. So to set yourself up nicely, like, Jennifer Gardner does not have to work anymore in acting if she does not want to and if she can't.
She's not probably getting offered roles like she used to when she was 25. So to have a successful company that you can work on and provide for your family, like, that's great.
Like, I felt like this was so hatery and everybody, like, slurping like yes Tina give me more like I didn't think it was super funny or a creative call or even like a hot take it was just like what no and I think like the group of people that she's talking about there are so many people where it's like confusing like are you talking about this person or that person right and she was making a very specific distinction I think she needed to cite some examples a thousand percent yeah because we're just like thinking about everyone. But I do think other people like you can make the case why this is what's right.
Like Jessica Alba, honest company. Really? You're going to say that she shouldn't have done that.
Right. And to be clear, there are celebrities who like slap their names on like pre-existing brands that they clearly have no interest in.
But you know what? The market really like makes or breaks you. So successful ones, when you think of the biggest road beauty, that's- Fenty beauty.
She shouldn't have done it. Right.
And yes, she was a singer and now she does makeup. So who gives a fuck? Rare Beauty, another billion dollar company.
And that's a real slap on Rare Beauty. Oh, you think Selena's not super invested? You think she put her name on it? Yeah, I think it's like, I think I don't think she does like a lot of the heavy lifting.
I also don't think Selena Gomez, like even do her own makeup. Right now.
When I think of like, when I think of Selena Gomez, like before Rare Beauty, like I didn't think makeup, but like with Rihanna, she was always going viral for her looks for Hailey Bieber. She's always going viral for her skin and like her glow.
And she coined the glazed donut term in her Vogue thing. So yeah, makeup was kind of like a random thing.
But they've done a good job of making the brand very Selena-coated. Yeah, yeah, they do a great job.
Yeah, but sometimes just being famous and pretty. R.E.M.
Beauty, I'm going to say, is not enough. It's not enough.
So just because, and that's literally the most famous person in the world. It's not even about your level of celebrity.
It's just about how it's done. And some people do it right and some people just slap it on.
And so you know what, like to Tina's point, like, yeah, it's annoying. But you know what, it's not successful.
So that's, it takes care of itself. Yeah.
Yeah. So I don't know.
Interesting convo though. Yeah.
Next Gwyneth Paltrow is on the cover of Vanity Fair making a lot of news a lot of news making tidbits she is talking about her relationship with Brad Pitt she's talking about working with Timothee Chalamet and her take on intimacy coordinators nowadays and she talked about Gley oh I missed that one there's no she did like a they did like a video series where they like make you watch like old stuff you've been in and she just talked about how it was like the most amazing experience and how it's crazy it's crazy how three of the castmates are dead but she met her husband right so what's it for three funerals and a wedding correct um she talked about having an intimacy coordinator in her lots of sex scenes with Timothy Chalamet.

She spoke to Vanity Fair as part of her new cover story

and pulled back the curtain a bit

on her big return to acting later this year

in Josh Safdie's Marty Supreme.

I can't think of that guy without thinking about Julia Fox.

Uncle James.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the A20 film stars Timothy as a ping pong protege competing overseas. A20? A24.
Yeah, okay. I was like, they rebranded? Did I say A20? Yeah.
Are you sure? Roll the tapes. I can't wait to watch.
That's my favorite. It's hard to not stop recording.
Go watch. She revealed for the first time she is starring as the wife of a rival professional who falls into bed with Chalamet.
Interesting movie. There were a couple of like paparazzi pictures of these two going viral.
They're dressed like from the 20s. They totally like took this block in New York City and made it look like, I don't know what time period it's supposed to be from, but like from 50 years ago.
It was really cool. And then Gwyneth and Marty, and Marty, what's his name? Timmy, are making out.
And these pictures went so viral. And interesting to know that that's what the movie's about.
So she said, I mean, we have a lot of sex in this movie. There's a lot, a lot.
Filming sex scenes with Timothy introduced her to an intimacy coordinator for the first time, although she didn't appear to need one after decades in Hollywood. She said, quote, there's now something called an intimacy coordinator, which I did not know existed.
She noted that when the intimacy coordinator asked her if she'd be comfortable with a particular move during the filming of an intimate scene, she was like, girl, I'm from the era where you get naked, you get in bed, the camera's on. We said, I think we're good.
You can step back a back a little bit she said I don't know how it is for kids who are starting out if someone is like okay

and then he's going to put his hand here I would feel as an artist very stifled by that she joked

that she cut right to the chase before filming sex scenes with Timothy she was like okay great

I'm 109 years old you're 14 I'm sorry she's She's so funny. She's so funny.
And she's so real for this. I think she definitely like represents a time in Hollywood where like this wasn't a thing.
It's an intimacy coordinator is very like new age woke type of thing. And I think that they're good, especially for like young starters in Hollywood.
What Gwyneth is saying is like, not me, bitch. Like I've been around the block a hundred times.
Like I'm good. You could step back.
It's actually more awkward to have someone there like putting emotions. Yes, especially because she's so much more seasoned and older than him that like what power dynamic is at play, right? Like he's this young hot heartthrob.
She's this like seasoned veteran Hollywood actress. Like they're very professional.
Certain movies need an intimacy coordinator and this is not one of them. Yeah, but I think it's the law now, right? It is, and I don't know why.
At first I found it shocking that she had never been on a set with one, but then also when I think of her breadth of work, she doesn't do a lot of sexy. I don't think we've ever seen her naked.
She doesn't do nudity, right? I can't remember, but even if she did, maybe she just hasn't done it in the last five, ten years. And she hasn't been doing as much acting recently as she used to do.
So back in her heyday, there was no coordinator. Right.
So it's just funny. She looked insanely gorgeous.
When Gwyneth speaks, you listen. She doesn't do a lot of press.
She does, she does always make news because like everything she does is very interesting to people.

But she doesn't like talk for the sake of talking.

So when she is talking,

like you better listen

because she's going to say something funny or interesting.

No, and everyone takes everything she says out of context.

I saw what she said about Meghan Markle's journey

into wellness and what she said.

So she was saying like basically everyone deserves a chance.

Like go for it, girl.

Like everyone deserves at least one chance to try something new. But it's kind of like what we just said about tina and amy like try it and if the market will determine whether it's yeah and like how you like there's space for everyone like she wasn't raised like that's like right that's what she said about courtney to other women as a threat like and the way that the headlines like spun what she said like it was so not what what she said.
That must be so annoying. That's why she doesn't do any press because like everything conscious uncoupling.
Yeah, I think she completely ignores. Me too.
Those sorts of like the derivative headlines off of things that she said. I would love to find the headline because it was just like that.
So not what she said. So not what not what she said well I remember when she was on the episode of Kardashians and she was asked about poosh it was very uh similar sentiment to what you just said like she really doesn't see and it's easy to not see people as a threat when you were the first to do it you're the biggest to do it you're a billion dollar company like nobody.
You're a billion dollar company. Like nobody has actually started a celebrity wellness brand

that has made an impact

or a dent in Goop's,

you know, bottom line.

So yeah, sure, Megan, like come.

Yeah, no, and she's right.

Like there is room for ever,

like it's a huge space.

Yeah.

So she's definitely, I think,

and when I met her for the first time,

that was my takeaway too.

She's one of the most misunderstood people. Yeah.
And so when everything you say gets taken out of context, like I wouldn't be sitting down to do interviews either. Yeah, exactly.
But then I think she also doesn't care. So it's like, here, this is what I think.
And it's so unfortunate. She is such a fabulous personality.
People don't really know that about her because they see her as like vagina candles. You know, she's a billionaire.
She's a Nepo baby. She's maybe like like a little unattainable on the surface but every time she sits down for an interview and she's like kiki she's so funny and real um and it's sad that people don't see that side of her yeah and this movie looks good by the way it's called it does Marty Supreme it's like a weird title yeah it's back to the future like I'm so confused okay because it doesn't sound like the premise that you had read earlier which sounded fabulous i look forward to the red carpet and award show appearances where kylie and gwen are at the same table i had a similar thought and i completely agree like kind of what kylie had to do with that girl from uh monica barbara yeah who played uh the singer the movie.
You know what I'm talking about?

Yeah, she's with Andrew Garfield now.

I am looking forward to the table at the Golden Globes.

Gwyneth, Brad, Kylie, and Timothy.

And then maybe Brad and his next project,

like a Ryan Murphy that needs Kylie.

Kind of how Kim has Ryan Murphy.

Yeah, it's so true.

And also I wonder who else is in the movie

because there's probably at least two other main characters

like Marty's wife.

Right.

Supplemental.

Let me just pull that up.

I wanted to write it on my list of things to look forward to.

Is that?

Yeah.

It does sound good.

But I can't find my pen.

Oh, Tyler, the creator and Fran Drescher.

What?

Oh, my God.

And not.

Well, you know, then that movie was running like a well-oiled machine because Fran Drescher is the president of SA sag abstra what and a bunch of names i don't recognize and then kevin o'leary oh my god this movie sounds amazing oh my god this movie sounds amazing yeah it does but you just know fran drescher like heard gwen a statement so had an intimacy coordinator and like died because this is fran's livelihood she's the president of SAG. Yeah.
But I feel like Fran can recognize like there can be flexibility in the every, because we're working with humans here and everybody's different and people have different needs. So it seems very understanding of everybody's needs.
As long as there's a person on set, even if she's dismissed to the corner, Fran did her job. Right.
Checked a box. Like SAG doesn't want to get sued.
Yeah, exactly. Oh, you know, they had that set running like a well-oiled machine.
Sandra Bernhard. Classic.
Classic. Okay.
And those are all the names that we recognize. So Kylie and Kevin.
I love it. And Gwyneth.
Kylie and Gwyneth and Timmy. Oh, my.
I know you want to make that the title. No, the title I already had.
Wait, shit. It was at the beginning.
Something about muchkering. Oh, cute.
Muchkering with Kylie and Gwyneth. Muchkering with Sojourner Truth.
Sojourner Truth's muchkering. We'll figure it out.
Are you ready for our next story? What number? Three? Yep. Yeah.
A little bit, a lot of it, Ako Taco, because Hilaria Baldwin is snapping at Alec Baldwin on the red carpet, telling him. Can I just ask you a question? Mm-hmm.
Is Sex Lives of a College Girl a story? No. Oh, my God.
I've been, like, waiting to talk about it. What's the news? That it's canceled? Or that it's moving off max? Well, no.
It's canceled. And now, like, Amy, not Amy, Mindy,y mindy is like shopping it around but i thought it was such a big deal one because i was just talking about it and two like there was a time where that was seriously like the first season of that show is the best television ever made the second season was fine the third was really bad i feel like mindy kaling has never made anything that's gotten canceled like everything she's ever made never made anything that hasn't succeeded.
Well, all good things come to an end. And it was three or four seasons total.
Three. OK, that's like a little short.
Like one more. I know.
It could have been. But I don't.
Yeah. Nothing lasts forever.
Even though it's only three years. Not even close.
But what can you do? College is only four years. So it was going to end.
Well, that's true. But they're shopping it around.
People being like, pick it up no like i agree the show is bad like it should be canceled it's just really crazy because you're not used to something people recognize that something is bad because they just prop up bad shit all the time no and with all the streaming services it's not like there's limited amounts of slots like cable things used to get canceled because there was x amount of shows and x amount of slots you can have a million pieces of shit like nothing gets anymore. I would imagine it's not like canceled because it's bad because like they'll go on with a bad show forever.
I feel like maybe other people wanted to move on too and it was like, okay, maybe it's time to move on. People have other things going on.
But they are shopping it around. Like they want the show to continue.
Oh, that's so weird. And like Mindy Kaling did like a post, like Blackheart, so sad.
Like like it wasn't their choice so like literally no one must have watched it except for you yeah and the people that did watch it so bad it was like people didn't really the viewership had to be so bad yeah right right I guess the difference between HBO and like the rest of the streamers is that HBO also max excuse me puts their shows also on their cable network so like there isn't unlimited because they also canceled Somebody Somewhere, one of my favorite shows. So they're not unlimited like inventory, like Netflix and Hulu.
They still have to abide by the old TV guide. Yeah.
But I was so surprised, like not because the show was good, but because like what gets canceled these days? Yeah, what gets canceled these days? Especially Mindy Kaling. She's got that Midas touch.
Especially when they can just keep punting the ball and been like, next season's coming. You know, like euphoria.
Yeah. Which, by the way, did pick up cameras.
They have started filming. It's better than admitting defeat.
Yeah, I was just shocked. And then I know Renee Rapp is like so glad.
Really? But the thing is, is that, and like she probably thinks like, look, the show failed without me and it really had nothing to do with you, even though she was my favorite character and it would have been better with her. That's not why the show was bad this season.
Yeah. But she probably thinks she made the right choice by leaving because it was a sinking ship anyway.
But I don't feel like her music career really took off. I think whether she stayed or left like would not change where she's at right now.
She might have just had a little bit more money

from doing the last couple of episodes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, well, I guess it was.

Petered out.

I know.

I thought it was a story.

I'm so sorry.

I was like waiting.

Peter.

No, our next story are the red carpet interviews

between Hilaria and Alec Baldwin

that have everyone in shizzy.

Going viral.

She's literally yelling at him,

telling him to shut up

and saying, you're annoying me. Hilaria Baldwin put Alecwin on blast for interrupting you're annoying me she actually said it what i saw she said in plain english okay because like when you're mad like you can't control your your dialect um she put him on blast for interrupting her during an awkward red carpet interview she was chatting with extra about the future of their family show in New York City when her husband chimed in.
He said, it's going to be great. You're a winner.
Then she snapped at him and she said, oh my God, when I'm talking, you're not talking. No, when I'm talking, you're not talking.
She joked that her partner's behavior was why she just have to cut him out of the show. She literally takes her body and was like, this is why we have to cut him out of the show.
And then he walks away. He like rolls his eyes, he stands there, and then he just goes to a different interviewer.
Now, I feel like what they think they're doing, or maybe she, what she thinks she's doing is like, ha ha, bickering old married couple. Because that is like a shtick, right? And it's funny.
But what she she doesn't realize is like she's so far beyond that shtick there is something to be said about how you speak to your partner in front of other people let alone the world and like a camera and i'm sorry i thought this was disgusting as somebody who's always yelling at her husband like you don't think i would never you don't think they're a match made in heaven considering he's always always yelling at everybody? Because, thoughtless little pig. Right.
He got this. It is nice to see, like, somebody give it to him the way he's given it to everyone else for years.
But if I'm speaking about, like, a marriage, like, whoever it is, like, this is, like, wholly unacceptable way of speaking. I know.
I just think that they are so dysfunctional in a way that is functional. Like, this is their normal.
And it know that you're just getting to know each other they've been together forever they have seven kids their oldest is 11 that means they've probably been together like almost 15 years like this is how they operate they've just chosen to do a reality show like neither one of them is going anywhere maybe alec responds to like nastiness because he likes to exude nastiness.

Right.

No, it's his native tongue.

It's funny how they could give us like a window into their relationship that we haven't already seen.

It's like, whoa.

Okay, hilarious.

That's a lot.

But it's like they have a reality show.

Like this is all on.

It's not like they don't show us themselves, their selves.

Yeah, I guess like the shocking part of all this is like kind of how the mighty have fallen. Like not only is he doing a TLC show with his wife, he's on a red carpet getting yelled at in front of everybody.
It's like, this was once a great actor, you know, it's so crazy. Maybe that's like my, my feeling about it because he's had many different eras of his life, obviously like the Ross, he's going through like a bad one right now, but he is and was like a highly respected great actor from like a big old Hollywood family, the Baldwins.
And it's like, how did we get here? I don't know. It's so crazy.
It's really, yeah, it is. So I don't know.
I don't know either, but I don't think this is like a sign of what's to come. I think this is just like a sign of how they are.
Yeah. No, this is not like, oh, headed for divorce.
Because if you, I mean, some people are headed for divorce and the last thing they do is a reality show on their way out. But I don't think that that's what's going on between these two.
Like this is their dynamic. No, I think we'll sooner hear that she's pregnant.
Pregnant. You know? Yeah.
So. This is definitely just how they talk to one another.
There is a lid for every pot. I also think she's pregnant pregnant you know yeah so this is definitely just how they talk to one another

there is a lid for every pot i also think she's maybe getting a little high off her own supply

yeah you know she's becoming a big star now she's got a reality for her right here i was defending

her no and like of the two of them right now i think she has a little bit more like buzz star

quality than him not you know if you look at their entire careers but like she's kind of the moment

right now when he's taking a backseat and I think she's kind of like

I love you. the two of them right now I think she has a little bit more like buzz star quality than him not you know if you look at their entire careers but like she's kind of the moment right now when he's taking a back seat and I think she's kind of like living for it as somebody who was the unknown in the relationship she married a famous person now she herself is famous yeah there's definitely a lot of dynamics here correct I can only imagine what their dinner table looks and sounds like yeah well you could watch on oh right see and I just to say, the reviews are in for the show and they are rave.
Right, that's what I'm saying. It's trending positively for them.
I will not be a part of this propaganda machine. Like, you will not get me.
Yeah. But I'm just letting you know, like, people say it's a great show.
Yeah. And, you know, the cream rises.
Right. Our next story, number four, if you could handle it.
Yeah, I'm okay with that. Is Gal Gadot receives a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
And she brought her whole family, her four daughters. I didn't realize she had four daughters.
Yeah, she has four daughters. And her last pregnancy, like, made a lot of news.
So, like, it was incredible. Right.
And in that news cycle, I learned she has four daughters. And I processed it then.

Because it's really amazing.

She received her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame on Tuesday.

And her daughter's ages ranging from 13 months to 13 came alongside her husband.

And she gave a very sweet speech.

She said, whenever my success grew, I always got pregnant.

I needed to ground myself.

That's what I tell my agents. It's either I'm making movies or making babies she said no more babies but her husband always reminded her to dream and to be free to do whatever it is that I want to do my favorite thing when somebody gets a star on the walk of fame is like seeing what other celebrities they decide to like have income like support and speak on their behalf so who was with Gall Vin Diesel Vin Diesel was the big name.
Oh, right, right, right.

And that's like a blind spot in culture for me.

Like the Vin Diesel movies.

Yeah.

But that's so Gall.

Like she only does like billion dollar franchises, you know?

It's true.

Like where was everyone else?

Like where was Jon Hamm?

Because for me, like her biggest movie was Keeping Up With the Joneses.

I was going to say, what the hell was she with Jon Hamm? Oh my God. And they were the spy couple and keeping up with the joneses isla fisher zach alfanakis no i know she's like yeah right and was her director there her girly patty maybe i don't know if patty would but i wouldn't be able to pick patty out of a lineup yeah vin de zeal yeah i also think like supporting publicly gal gadot right now is like a brave thing to do which is so fucking crazy yeah so not me standing the fuck out of Vin Diesel sign me up I'm starting Fast and Furious from the beginning watching Pacifier on repeat well let me say this I'm glad you brought that up every couple of years I need to re-watch Pacifier I just did it so holds up it is I know he's known for the fast and the furious it is one of the best movies i and it's stacked cast wise lauren graham the principal it is the most brilliant movie and the girl is that madison pettis oh the daughter no it's like it's.
No, she was in that other one, the football one with Vin Diesel. Yeah, the tooth fairy.
With Dwayne the Rock, which is literally the same. Oh, Brittany Snow.
Brittany Snow is the daughter. Oh, my gosh.
Even stackier. Yeah, it's Lauren Graham.
Yeah, it's so good. Yeah.
So Mazel Tov to Gal Gadot. Now, if you had a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, like who are you asking? Who's the lineup of people to sit in the front row, to make speeches? And I'm getting a star like today for what I do now.
And I have like my existing network. Yes.
So of course my sister Claudia.

Of course.

I'm like introducing you but that's obvious.

Okay.

Then like Shannon.

Of course.

Lauren Elizabeth.

Oh I love.

My friend Mary Orton.

Of course.

Of course my family will be there. Of course.
That goes without saying you said friends no and i mean like celebs oh celebs like like people of note yeah like my my fellow influencer friend yeah of course maybe raven maybe i like that kind of speaks to like you know your roots yeah i like that. She maybe would say something nice about me.
Yeah, like as a mother and friend. I like that.
Oh, my friends, Eric and Melissa. Of course, of course.
And the only famous, right? I guess like Dana's kind of famous. Oh, she would do a, she would do an acoustic performance of my duty Brown.

It's true.

Yeah.

I love that.

And then my,

and then all my other friends,

um,

who are less famous.

Yeah.

Right.

The nobodies,

they would get an invitation to,

but like all the way in the back.

Why?

Who's yours?

Oh,

well,

obviously you would introduce me of course,

but I would really tap into like,

I would definitely ask Gwyneth to come.

Yeah,

of course.

I think she would come.

It depends what she's doing.

And it's in California.

Maybe she would come.

Thank you. Oh, well, obviously you would introduce me, of course, but I would really tap into like, I would definitely ask Gwyneth to come.
Yeah, of course.

Oh, that's Gwyneth to come.

It turns out she's doing.

And it's in California.

Maybe she would come.

Right.

No, I actually think she would come.

Yeah.

In terms of a musical performer, I would definitely see if Luke is available.

Like I just asked Nico, like, hey, can Luke come?

Okay.

In terms of like other celebs like to speak and just sort of be in the front row, who comes to mind? Who's like a close personal friend? Of course, Kyle Juszczyk has to be there. Of course.
When you have so many celebrity friends, it's like hard to whittle it down. I don't want to offend anyone, you know? Yeah, it's so hard.
And I don't want to like overdo it and be like, what is she trying to prove? You know,'s enough so it's just kyle use check cheering you gwyneth luke holmes and i yeah and you performing yeah but he'd still sit in the front row nico of course as well like working no no no i would need i need to i need to use his celebrity i need him to be right in the front row i think it's a great crew me too yeah maybe gary lavox tox. To perform? Are you going to put him to work? Or if he could work or he could sit in the front row.
Okay. Your nearest and dearest.
Yeah. Me, Gary, Luke, and the crew.
Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Is it actually a really crazy, like, sad story? Oh, shit.
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Sorry. I totally lost my balance.
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anything so she was granted visitation rights with her sons however she must be super supervised around the boys after failing to complete a six-month drug and alcohol program with weekly testing and aftercare a 26-week parenting program individual counseling to address case issues and conjoint counseling with minors according to the magazine she can only see her children three times a week in specific hour blocks with approved supervisors who are family members of hers and her husband's right the judge comes month after months after he asked a judge for sole custody of the kids claiming in a petition that jamie had been strung out and drunk while they were in her care there are some details of that incident where like the son calls him up and has to be picked up she was like drunk and like doing drugs in front of really like i honestly don't even want to like share it because it's very personal and disturbing what's also interesting they got married in 2007 she filed for divorce in 2020 and at the time she also filed for and was granted a restraining order against him so um and then shortly after he claimed that she's a chronic drug addict and alcoholic um that she abused opioids for years before her children were born and throughout her pregnancies resulting in one of her sons being addicted to opiates being born addicted like just really really disturbing oh my god they tried to put her in rehab in 2020 him and her friends they she checked herself out and since oh my god i had no idea about any of this no idea since then they've been she's not like so famous yeah but she's but like this is one of the yes the fact that she was in pearl harbor and heart of dixie to me those happened in two different universes i think she was a child actress right which? I don't know. I feel like, Heart of Dixie, Pearl Harbor was like her big break.
It was a lot of people's big breaks. Interesting.
Yeah, 2001. But she never became like huge.
No, but she's always a working actress, always in style. She's in white chicks.
Yeah, recognizable face. Oh, white chicks.
Yeah, she's a very recognizable face. And then her friendship with Taylor Swift, I feel like, really brought her into the 21st century.
She's in my favorite movie that is stacked, Barely Lethal, with Haley Seinfeld, Dove Cameron, Sova Turner. That was obviously a dark time.
And now Jamie King. Wait, this is the craziest story.
Honestly, thank God the dad is like, you know, there's one parent who's eager to take take. Responsible, yeah.
And take on all the custody because sometimes that's not the case. But oh my God, I never would have expected any of this.
And then the stuff you said about like when she was pregnant, like I'm sick. No, I'm sick.
And usually when I see like a woman who's lost custody of her children, like that is like devastating. Right.
And I feel like it takes a lot. Yeah.
For a mom to lose. Like courts tend to favor the moms.

Yeah.

But then to like read the details about this and then she's like just so unwell is so upsetting.

And I hope that she gets the help that she needs and that she could be back with her children like in a.

I know.

But like if the threat of losing your children just to do like a six month course wasn't enough.

I don't feel like, you know, better because that's rock bottom.

Yeah.

I don't feel like better days are near for her. I don't know.
Just very upsetting. What a crazy fucking story.
And it's so, not to like make everything about Taylor Swift, but Taylor's like kind of, you know, she's known for being like a clean celeb. Like she doesn't like party hard.
And I feel like everybody around her pretty much reflects that. It's like, you know, there's not a lot of like partying and drugs around Taylor Swift.
I don't think when they're with her, they do she has some friends who party like Cara Delevingne yeah that's true but who's newly sober Sophie Turner has a good time gets down yeah but that's different I feel like Sophie Turner likes to have a good time the same way Taylor does they have like a lot of mojitos oh yeah like a lot of red wine yeah yeah and like a vape is crazy yeah okay I'm talking about like Hollywood party there's like circles of Hollywood that are very, I mean like Charlie XCX. That's why her and Taylor aren't friends.
They're opposites. Right, right.
Like Taylor's idea of partying hard is having too much wine and like maybe throwing up in the toilet, you know? Yeah, in her house. In her house, right.
Yeah, I understand. So I'm just not used to this type of like stereotypical Hollywood behavior being in Taylor's orbit because she's very clean.
Like Like her parents are her best friends. And when she's partying, she's already partying with her mom.
Yeah. And like making cookies.
Right. Like drunk and accidentally starting a fire because there was a candle lit.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, I mean, and they also, they haven't been spotted together in a while. I wouldn't say this is like one of Taylor's best best best friends.
She's a godmother. Right.
That's closeness.

Here this will be has Jamie King been to

an Eros tour show? Oh a

quick googling. That's like a good way to

know if they're recently because everyone who's like

a current friend of Taylor of all different

levels.

The only thing coming up is the fucking

this.

Yes Jamie King sported a sparkly

pink cowboy hat.

Yeah she went. Yeah.
So they're friends. And what, because your friend's going through a hard time, you stop being friends? No, no, of course not.
But I wonder, this is just incongruous with Taylor's vibe. Yeah.
Damn. Yeah, very sad.
Really, really sad. And shocking.
Yeah. Damn.

Yeah. Very sad.

Really, really sad. And shocking.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, those

were the Fast Five stories. You

definitely needed to know that last one.

They ended on a row. Yeah, they did.

And let's dive into the TV recap.

Let's pick back up. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

It was a great episode. I love a trip.
And I feel and I feel like so many we're kind of at a standstill a little bit with certain fights in the group because there are these alliances and I feel like last night was the first time you ever started to see like a little bit of a crack especially in the Garcelle and Sutton one at the end of the episode where everybody was coming at Sutton and then Garcelle just decided to take a back seat and for the first time ever not be her mouthpiece I found that to be shocking she really like hung her out to dry and she was like well that's what she did to me the night before yeah and I'm sorry say what you want about Garcelle and I have my issues with her like her being a dog with a bone with the Morgan Wade thing like I'm so on her side with like it's infuriating everybody's sitting around being like Moe is on a date you had a girlfriend for a year like what the fuck are we talking about you guys are not together also I recently watched some of the footage from the music video and I realized that we've been citing the music video like you did the music video into the concert you got tattoos the music video we need to go back to sexy licious it's I I've just saw a photo where it looks like they kissed and it was like oh she kissed Morgan in the music video like that's kind of titillating it's way more than that like it's ongoing sexyliciousness yeah and it's shocking to watch and so that coloring everything else like I'm sorry like that's the first move if Mauricio wants to go and have a girlfriend or several that's fine your wife publicly wife publicly made a piece of art that was meant for public consumption. Even if she didn't, by the way, you are separated.
You can see other people. But it's less sad.
It would be really sad if they got separated and he's out there dating and she's home. It would be sad.
It wouldn't be wrong. Yes, yes, yes.
But that's not what's been happening. It's so weird.
Like the way everybody's like revisionist history. So every time Garcelle brings it up, I think some people roll their eyes.
They're like, Garcelle, let it go. No, thank you.
Yeah. No, like we can't talk about Mo without talking about that because like that part is critical to understanding how you might feel about Mo.
Correct. And I actually had a lot of respect for Garcelle for like being mad at Sutton.
Like that's her girl and she's like always ride or die and we've never seen them have an argument. But like she's not wrong for being annoyed.
And so like, all right, you didn't back me up. Tit for tat, I won't back you up.
And Sutton really couldn't handle it. No, and like Sutton, that was like one of the worst instances for Sutton of like just everyone speaking their truth.
Because Erica really hasn't gotten involved in a direct way. She's been like, you know, shady to Sutton towards the other girls and then in her confessionals.
But this was the first time she like said what she thought. It was clear that like, not that it was rehearsed, but she really thought about what she wanted to say to Sutton because it was an evisceration.
Yeah. I thought like that little monologue she gave about how she likes to tear down women in this group who are going through hard times.
And then literally the only thing Sutton could say to rebuke that was like, you say I'm tear down all women? No, nobody fucking said that. We don't know how you are with the other friends.
She loves to get lost in the world. She loves to get lost in grammar.
Like she becomes obsessed with a word. Like it's so annoying.
And I like how Erica was like, I didn't say that. Let's's not even go there.
Like it was such a bad response. And it's true.
Like Sutton is always starting stuff and then running away crying. It's such an annoying characteristic.
Yeah, and she wants to be like the big bad bitch on the block. Like let's mention it all.
Accountability. This is going on in the press.
Let's talk about it. And it's always good to have that person.
And if you want to want to be that person you've got to be tougher you can't be that way and then run crying scared anytime someone questions you yeah yeah or don't be that person that's fine but she is that person she can't help say what you want about lisa rinna like that's what i was that person like if lisa rinna was like constantly going in on people and if someone went in on her she'd fight back twice as hard she wouldn't run away crying crying and that's kind of why she was so good at her job yeah but like seriously she was a worthy adversary sutton is not no sutton plays the victim every single time that she's challenged and then she's like you can't tell me how i should or shouldn't feel it's like okay so here we are we're not allowed to say that you're being a victim even though you're being a victim right and all this shit in your confessionals all this shit with you're so you don't want to cross me like right so i called you brokey and then like you're sitting on the boat crying running away like having a meltdown it's so true she's literally like so weak and such a big talker it's like when she's alone but when she apologized to dorit which in the moment like seems like an apology I can't help but remember the confessional where right after she called Dorit poor she said in her confessional I don't regret it I would say it again and I'm just trying to understand if those confessionals are meant to reflect that moment in time right or if it's about a few months later and we know that they're saying that a few months later like I do need clarity on like is she going back to how she felt in that moment like what was the prompt from the producer because I think that that's important I think it's supposed to be a reflection of how you feel in that moment I really do I can't get past it I know because it was so crazy if she said at a reunion that's the same timeline like if she said like she's literally saying it four saying it four months later. I don't regret it.
I would say it again. I meant it.
And then you're also two weeks later saying an apology. So that's where like I under, like another dynamic that was like kind of tested was the Bose and Dorit of it all.
This was the first time where Bose was like kind of pushing back on Dorit in a very kind and friendly way, but just being like, look, she's apologizing. Like you have to accept it or you should accept it.
And I understand her thinking that she's new to this group she doesn't understand the history and I understand Darit being like I mean you're kidding this is what you do you make a genuine apology and the next day you do the exact same thing but you go even lower so I understood Bose's inclination to be like look she's trying to put it to bed like let's put it to bed but then I understand Darit being like I mean how many times how many times we're gonna fool me once we're gonna go on the same hamster wheel it's a waste of time yeah I felt like Bose was being a good friend in that moment I know people saw it as like her finally challenging Dorit but like if I were sitting beside my friend I want them to move past something and they maybe I felt like they missed something in the conversation like I would be like hey like you got what you want there's the apology she wasn't calling her out like I saw on watch that when it's live girl herself was like I was so proud of Bose for finally you know like pushing back a dorita whatever so annoying that's not what that was i would do that for someone i'm on the same side as it's like look like don't lose sight of like what you want yeah bows was trying to be productive right like move the thing along to read your wrong but like wait hold on it's just a friendly thing to do um i didn't felt like she was like joining the other side or anything. Kathy was making me laugh so hard when she like sat down and was like asking everybody to get her stuff.
And Kyle was like, she doesn't care who you are. Like she needs something.
You have to get her. And she's like bossing Jennifer Tilly around with a salad dressing.
I was laughing so hard. Kathy was actually making me laugh a lot, even though she was in the episode for three seconds.
She's like, these boat rides, they're not good. It's not working.
And it was a bad boat ride like the boat was small the wind everybody's hats there was no indoor like table for everybody to sit at it was a tiny little boat the weather looked weird it didn't look like a good boat day it was cardahania okay yeah and they should have waited to have conversations until they were anchored because them cruising with the wind with the wind it was very chaotic and a little worrisome. I know.
And like Erica, clearly like her hair was made for the hat. Like she couldn't take off her hat.
Sutton took off her hat. She just had like a blowout.
But Erica had like an updo like in the hat. And so she couldn't take it off.
And just watching her like try to talk with the hat and the wind. It was really annoying.
Yeah, it was very chaotic. And now they're all stuck on this boat together.
That's not that big. Yeah, it was small.
Sutton's about to have a meltdown she was being soaked these bitches like she's so lame she like she like went into the abyss i think she also used the c word because they they showed like the asterisk word but it didn't start with a b but for bitches it started with a b like she's the definition of like condition but can't take it and it's like it's like we did that when we were 12 you know like you're so grown no and also i said no i said this last week but the dynamics between sutton garcelle and kyle about like who's going to defend like them like fighting over sutton and sutton should be like excited about that but also fighting i know she doesn't realize she doesn't realize it's so middle school yeah well sutton is finds herself in a similar predicament as Erica. Like Erica also kind of refuses to get involved in the Kyle stuff.
And she's happy to defend Dorit when it comes to Dorit versus Sutton, but she wasn't happy or even remotely interested in defending Dorit when it came to Dorit versus Kyle. Yeah.
So that's like one of my only gripes with Erica. She looked, the girls looked amazing.
I actually loved all their outfits. Erica looked sick.
Yeah, she looks amazing. She does.
I actually love Sutton's outfit too on the boat. The little blue.
Oh my god. Garcelle showing up in the same dress as Kyle after calling Kyle's outfit hideous, like her wardrobe hideous, was so funny.
Yeah. That's...
And Jennifer Tilly just stays like making me laugh. She's really growing on me.
Even though like her obviously fatal flaw is that she's Sutton's friend. So when it comes to the drama, her input is like always bad, but she doesn't give it a lot.
Yeah, I feel like there's just too much going on for her to really get like involved in a meaningful way. Though Bose has, but there are different people.
No, I love, and they serve different purposes on the show. Jennifer Tilly's kind of taking on like a Kathy Hilton type of role.
Showing up, showing us the opulence, being funny, um, connected to the group, but not connected to the drama in any real meaningful way. Whereas Bose was brought in.
She's a, she's a player. Yeah.
She's a, she's a formidable opponent. Like her friendship with Dorita's new.
It's just how, this is how things have shaken out. Right.
But Jennifer Tilly is like not in the diamond theme song. No.
She's a real like character. Friend of.
Personality. Cat.
She adds color to the show and every time she tells us something about her jewelry or her alta moda like I live for it. And she has positive energy and she's down for a good time.
Like that's great. Thank you.
Everyone needs friends like that. Yeah.
And she's an Oscar winner. Nominee.
Thank you. Excuse me.
Yes. Yeah.
Big difference. Still cool.
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