Lex vs. Lix: Wednesday, February 26th, 2025

Good morning, girlies, it's The Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts.
It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast.
I sound amazing. Good morning, millennials, and welcome back to the toast.
Day two of having a Gargi Pargi Grammy Award winning intro theme song. Hey, Jax, how you doing? I'm doing good.
And it's nice that it's day two of the theme song, but it's day three of the week. It feels like we're cheating the week a little bit because you would expect it to be a Tuesday.
But then it is a Wednesday. That's so true.
So life hack, drop a new song on a Tuesday. We're so glad to see the reception from the song.
Like everybody feels the way about it that we do. No, let me tell you how relieved I was.
I don't know why, but I was just like, we're going to launch a song and everybody's going to hate it. Like, I feel like we've kind of been like in a hater era recently with the frames and people like, I just feel like every time we do something that I can feel like it was like not should have been this way and I was like I can't wait for them to say they didn't like the one we chose or that the production was bad and I didn't even see one negative comment like I cannot believe how much people loved it so much I saw one negative comment and she was aware she was like I see that I'm the only one who's thinking this so I'm probably wrong a self-aware troll I kind of love that she wasn't even truly she was like I I don't even want to like give voice to what she was saying but she was very much aware that she was the only one well I'm so glad that people loved the song as much of course you're telling me um of course it was a she because 90% of our audience is women.
Our listeners. 98.
Like it's literally 99. I'm so glad everybody liked the song as much as we do.
And I'm so glad everybody's like excited to be listening to this thing every day before the show. But I did want to address like a little bit of the controversy around the song.
Oh, okay. So there is controversy.
Do you know this? Tell me and I'll let you know. You know, eagle-eyed viewers were quick to point out the lyric change yes the original song that becca who is the swirly who won we're your host and when we got in the studio no never when we got in the studio we decided to change jackson turdy to jackson claude yeah um it's.
It's more timeless. Like, it is my government name.
And I think if you come to this show, you know you're getting Jackson Claude. And then you learn you're actually getting Jackson Turdy.
It's a little bit inside baseball. It is.
And I wanted the song to be for everyone. Like, new listeners, potential new listeners.
And, you know, as much as I think Turdy is here to stay, nicknames also do evolve. So to record it and make it like, you know, in the record books.

It's Jackson Turtle.

Turtle, we're your home.

Or we just like keep re-recording the song every time you change your name.

It's an expensive venture, but I'm down.

Yeah, no, but Jackson Clodden, the host of this show.

Correct.

We can riff off that all day long.

But like when you come to the show, like just know we're Jackson Clawden. We're your hosts.
It's your favorite show. Oh, when I sing it to myself, like I was singing it all day yesterday.
I get like really crazy by the end. We'll start you at a day off.
Swirly. It's that's house.
And then also I've added a couple of riffs. Tell me if you guys have also been doing this.
I feel like it's the natural progression of the song. We'll start your day off.
Swirly, twirly, girly, surely, nerly, pearly, nerly. It's the toast.
I could go on literally the whole alphabet. It's the toast.
Clink. Clink.
Oh. Where was that idea when we were in the studio? Like every great thing that we do, it will evolve in six months.
Like maybe a re-recording. Maybe, of course, people were asking for theme song 10-minute version, which we'll have to work with Becca on that.
No, the clink is actually inspired. And I just wanted to know like where that.
You're so the queen of coming in with like the best idea at the worst time. I know.
You're still mad about Bad Blood for the Aeros. I am.
I'm still mad about when you gave me an idea for the Aeros tour outfits with a group of girls that like the day before I left for Nashville. So it's kind of becoming your thing.
No, it's like I until it's like pressing and completely top of mind. Like I'm not thinking.
But now this is how we do. Like we are just like riffers.
That's just how we do. What song is that? I don't know.
Because when the sun set, baby, on the avenue. What song is that? I don't know.
I was singing, this is how we do. Yeah, chillin' straight back then, and then we do it like that.
This is how we do. Do, do, do, do.
Do, do, do, do, do. So yesterday was just like a great day for women in music.
Yes, however, we need to get the song on Spotify. Like, and I'm not.
We're working on it. This is so important to me because I was playing it on repeat in my house.
The kids love it. It's 30 seconds though.
So I literally was starting the podcast over, over, over, over. And I know other mamas out there, especially like if they want to bring their kids into, like they want to educate their kids into the world of the toast.
It's a clean song. There's no explicit version.
We need it on Spotify so that I can put it on repeat one. Okay.
If there was an explicit version though, how would it go? I think it would go like this. Good morning, bitches.
It's the fucking toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your host.
It's your favorite fucking show the fast five fucking things you need to fucking know we'll start your fucking day off swirly it's the fucking let me tell you i'm so glad that that's not a thing set up in the comments do you want me to release an explicit version for the adults? No, thank you. Listen, we do what the audience wants, so.
Yeah, to a degree, but we have to be true to ourselves. Just sound off in the comments.
We have to be true to ourselves. Actually, the commenters popped off yesterday being really helpful for Toast Playlist.
So I just. Yes.
Of course, right where you left me. Right where you left me.
So I need to just add that. I sit there, dust collected around my pinda pear.

What else did they say?

There was like one other song that was like so obvious.

Yeah.

Was it also tailored?

Probably.

Let me look.

Hold on.

Probably.

And then of course there are songs like The Climb, but that's not what, we don't like

sing the, I mean, except for Chisno, but we don't like work lyrics of The Climb into

everyday life. Love, no.
I'm looking for what people said. Yeah, it was right where you left me, like obvious.
I'm having his baby. Yeah.
Yeah, I agree. Yeah.
It could be on the extended playlist. You should wear this hat to the party tonight.
Oh, Dancing Through Life, original. Oh, the Max and Ruby theme song.
Of course. You should wear this hat to the party tonight.
Oh, Dancing Through Life original. Oh, the Max and Ruby theme song.
Of course. You should wear this hat to the party tonight.
Oh, and the AI song. Oh, I'm so glad I'm Travi.
I'm so glad my Travi made it to the big game. One step closer to dirty being my last name.
So today's show is like so popping off for so many reasons. One, I'm feeling really good about the state of my bowels.
I don't want to jinx it, but like I hated having to run off yesterday's episode. I hate when my body and my brain aren't in sync.
Like it's not the time for a poo. It's Deer Toasters.
Sorry to the DTQ, the Deer Toasters community that we didn't get that extra Deer Toasters. They got fed.
But I owe you one. I owe you one.
I own that. So that's exciting.
Two, it's Wednesday, which just means it's hump day vibes are a plenty and we have the real hot spots of beverly hills recap which we did miss last week because uh because we decided to watch what was it love is blind oh by the way i've been doing my homework a little bit every night makes a big difference and i am out of honduras and i am in the big city, the twin cities, Minneapolis, St. Paul.

So by Monday, when they release, I think, like two new episodes on this Friday, keep going.

And then we should all be caught up on Monday.

We should all be caught up.

So that's very exciting.

Progress has been made.

And I watched the last two Rehob.

And there's a lot to recap, actually.

I also watched the last two Rehob.

So we have Beverly Hills recap.

And then we have major news in the podcasting space. And I feel like we were just talking about this on the toast.
And I'm so glad we did because now our listeners have like a lot of context. And we kind of clued them into like an underground story before it launched.
And like turned out where there was smoke, there was a big blazing fire. Somebody call 911.
Short if I'm burning on the dance floor. So the big Alex Earl podcast drama is going to be a story today.
And I just want to let you guys know, like, for my own curiosity, because this is news that, like, I find so interesting. But also I know that, like, people want to know.
I was, like, making calls yesterday, like, really trying to find out what happened. Like, I called a bunch of people, like, industry people.
Like, I was really trying to get the tea. And let me say, like, there's limited tea there.
So a lot of the stuff that you're seeing on social media, like, from just random people, don't believe. because I feel like I was really trying to get the tea and let me say like there's limited tea there so a lot of the stuff that you're seeing on social media like from just random people don't believe because I feel like I have good insight and I'll tell you everything I found out but like these are two people who are extraordinarily private yes but also at this point I can't remember what I know from like social media from like you know public channels and what I know from private channels which is good for everyone because I'm just going to share what I know.
Yeah, yeah. And I have some stuff to share.
But I would be cautious about it because I saw so much stuff on TikTok. Our conjecture as well.
Just being ladies in the industry. Exactly.
And, you know, women in the know. Women with a network.
Yes, we are. Because you don't just drop your biggest show.
We're going to talk about it. Is that our lead story did anything else happen yesterday of course it's our lead story it's really like everyone's really talking about it usually like some podcast news like we're more jazzed over than the people but the people want to know the status of licks versus lex oh and so we also need to talk about how we're going to talk about these two without getting confused.
And I think we just go Earl Cooper.

Like we have to use last names.

Can I go Licks Lex?

Like no, because we actually need to be like clear.

But Licks would be Alex with an I.

Alex.

Alex.

No, we get it.

But it's a little too.

We'll see how it goes.

And hold on.

I just have to send an important text message.

I'm on a fact finding mission about this particular story. Okay.
Who are you texting? I can't say. Am I in the chat? I can't say that either.
But wait, I had one more thing I wanted to say. I am in the chat.
Lex Licks. Lex Licks.
And the other thing I wanted to say, I can't remember. It'll come back to me.
My brain has been really bad recently. Like it's so, it's one of my least favorite things about pregnancy.
Not that I have any favorites. Not that I have any favorites.
Like. The toast is brain camp.
So get to work. The toast is brain camp.
We said that like two weeks ago. Yeah.
I actually do remember that. I'm not that dumb.
Yeah. That would be really crazy.
I did. Yeah.
No, I remember. And then I also, I had the most amazing night last night.
One, because I saw Shannon Ford's comedy show and it was fabulous. But two, the place where she held her comedy show, like served food, and I got a cookie and a skillet.
Yummo. Yeah.
And it was so pargy. And the thing is, I just looked at the menu and I saw like cookie skillet.
I didn't see what type of ice cream. I just said, like just said like yeah i'll have that and it was dark in there because it was a comedy club i hate not being able to see my food i know and now i hate it because i can't even tell you what i ate i know it was a chocolate chip cookie you can't replicate it at home but there was something different in the ice cream i feel like it was cookies and cream ice cream with like bits of oreo it was at city winery.
Okay, let's look up the City Winery menu. You guys, and let me tell you not to sound like so fat, it was so small.
Like it was so small and Margo and Ben like kept taking bites and I'm like, can you scram the fuck out of here? It was so good. A cookie, I've never actually had a bad cookie in a skillet.
Obviously some are better than others. Pardee.
BJ's Brewhouse has an amazing cookie in a skillet. I feel like it's such a classic chain restaurant dessert menu item.
No, I feel like when you put a cookie in a skillet, like things are going to go well for you in life. Yeah.
Do you own any of the skillets that like you bake a cookie in? Like a small skillet? Yeah, it doesn't have to be small. Like a person, like the size of a cookie.
It would be the size of it. I'm not going to put it in my big Dutch oven.
No, they do make ones in restaurants that are like obviously meant to share.

So it's like the size of a small pie.

Cute.

No, I don't think so.

I think I have to go to the Lake Couset outlet.

You're right.

I think you need to get on that for the next time I visit.

Oh my God.

I would love to make you a cookie and a skillet.

Did you find it?

No, no, no.

But I'm determined now.

Hold on.

Just view menu.

View menu.

Okay, everyone.

So we can all make it at home.

And it's a small dessert menu. And the others looked so good too.
But I sawet it's like concert dining menu not restaurant menu right concert yes oh my god thank you for um city winery make okay i didn't know they had multiple menu okay i gotta go to dessert dark chocolate mousse jack skillet cookie jacks okay housemade cookie milk ice cream and port ganache. That sounds like alcohol.
There wasn't. Oh my God.
No way. But there wasn't ganache.
That's not what I ate. There was like Oreo in it.
Port ganache. There was like chunks of.
Made from chocolate and cream. That sounds like you definitely had pork ganache.

Maybe there was pork ganache, but there was other stuff in there too.

It was like a cookie crumble.

Similar question.

What the heck is ganache?

What the heck is ganache?

It's a glazed icing saucer filling for pastries made from chocolate and cream.

You guys, it was so good.

Like, it made my whole night.

It was such a fabulous night.

So good to see Shannon. And by the way, the show started at 7.50, so 8 o'clock.

I'm deteriorating in the chair.

Like,

Thank you. Like, it made my whole night.
It was such a fabulous night. So good to see Shannon.
Like, not her being, and by the way, it was like, the show started at 7.50, so eight o'clock. Like, I'm deteriorating in the chair.
Like, breaking down. Ben is rubbing my back.
I had to order a cookie skillet and a Diet Coke. Like, I'm breaking down.
Shannon's over here, like, still in the throes of, she's out of her first trimester, but she's, like, still, like, nauseous and really at the thick of it. Doing a show in heels and a Mew Mew t-shirt.
Like, I actually wanted to her. I'm like up in the balcony, almost, I have to call an ambulance.
Like I seriously, Taylor Stricker was like, are you okay? And I was like, no, she's like, what's wrong? I'm like, I can't even explain it. Like I'm just not okay.
It was just late for me. And Shannon's up there like looking like a model.
You would never know she's pregnant. Leather pants, stilettos, a hair and a slick back pony, really setting setting an unrealistic standard for women it's important in life to not compare yourself to shannon ford because you will always come up short so like waking up at 5 30 a.m like on her own so true down her christmas tree hungover like you can't compare yourself to this girl okay it's true it's really true so that's a good way but i love having shannons having Shannon's in this world to aspire to no I actually like I don't aspire to that like I'm so tired I could like even my aspirations are exhausted you know yeah yeah yeah so she was great she's going on um like a 25 city tour and it's presented by Spritz so there was Spritz everywhere it's a real TNN synergized event and I recommend attending.
It was also just like fabulous swirlies around, you know? Yeah. She's coming to Florida.
She's doing a couple shows in the Sunshine State. So check it out.
And I'm just like so excited for today's show. I can't explain it.
Like, you know when you're feeling, you know when you're feeling like good, you know? Yeah, that's the best feeling to feel good. I only only I only peed one time in the night so like I'm ready oh she nothing's holding her back I actually wanted to tell you something funny because my husband played basketball last night in his intramural league as husbands do and he texted me he was like when it was like late I guess he was on his way home he's like I got hit in the face I'm bleeding and he came home and he really got hit in the face he had like a scar in his eyebrow but there was also a lot of blood so like it was unclear what like where what exactly he didn't wipe off the blood until he came to the house like so you can see like the real depth yeah like he's driving with like blood going into his eyeball but he just wants you to see how hard i played now was it was it like a contentious? Was it an accident? He started a fight? I wasn't sensing any beef.
Like I think he just got hit my face with the ball. I was not here.
He didn't even like mention anyone. Like I don't think it went down in a bad way.
Like just classic, you know, things happen when you're playing intramural basketball. Yeah.
With your friends. Yeah.
It's a dangerous game. Well, we're wishing him a speedy recovery like truly morning he was like you didn't ask how i'm doing i was like oh i actually thought about how you're doing but he wasn't in the room when i thought it more like impactful yeah no i was like doing my makeup and i'm like my husband you're like offering to cover up his big bruise does he have have like a black eye? How do things look in the light of day? Just like a scar in his eyebrow.
Not bad. Oh, that's like so badass.
Yeah. An eyebrow scar.
I feel like all the bad boys have like a little bald spot in their eyebrow. From that time they got hit at basketball.
Who am I thinking of? Charlie Puth has that. Miles Teller? Yeah.
Because he was like in an accident growing up it's a very chic edgy bold look like your boys will look up and be like wow my dad's a fucking badass he goes hard in the paint in the paint in his Jewish intramural local league I'll tell him that is it a Jewish league or just a league of Jews league of Jews Jews. Like, I don't think you have to be Jewish.

You just happen to be Jewish.

Got it.

Got it.

Cool.

Cool.

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Oh, my God.

I'm, like, doing so many things.

I forgot to put my phone on Do Not Disturb this morning because I'm waiting for a particular

bit of gossip that I might be able to share on the toast.

And so, like, I'm just – I'm doing a lot of things. So I'm not ready.
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Yesterday, Variety dropped an exclusive article saying that Alex Earl's Hot Mess podcast has been dropped by Alex Cooper's Unwell Network. So here's the deets from Variety as it dropped.
And this feels like more of like a press release. Yes.
And they had all the info and then everybody else is like extrapolating from that. So Alex Earl's Hot Mess podcast has been dropped by Alex Cooper's Unwell Network.
Sources say SiriusXM will also no longer sell ads for the show and that the Unwell Network has renounced all rights to Hot Mess so that Earl can freely explore future opportunities. The move comes amid growing chatter on social media and the toast of a feud between Cooper, Cooper, host of Call Her Daddy, and Earl, the party girl influencer with a massive TikTok following.
Speculation of a rift grew when Earl skipped an Unwell Super Bowl party in New Orleans, even though she was in town. And then this is me adding, also don't forget the Spencer Pratt stuff.
In August 2023, as a reminder, Cooper announced that she was launching the Unwell Network and signed Earl to join the fold. So like Unwell and Hot Mess, like that was their first podcast, right? It was, it gave, we knew Alex was going to be launching a network and it was, she was announced with one other girl, but it was, it was huge, Alex Earl at the time.
She still is. And so it really kind of, I feel like they built the rest of the network, like, on the initial talent of Madeline and Alex.
Yes. Yes, their initial talent signings included Pretty Lonesome with Madeline Argy, who, alongside Cooper and Earle, would, quote, develop a variety of multi-platform concepts and projects across such silos as pop culture, beauty, fashion, and lifestyle.
So I remember what I was going to say at the beginning of the show, because I saw this all over social media, and was reading comment sections and like literally I could not roll my eyes hard enough at people being like, these are two separate people could have fooled me. Like, shut up.
I just I want to say anybody who's saying that, like, I think you're dumb and annoying. OK, but I feel like this article confirms any sort of suspicions anybody had about these two having beef, not because the shows are no longer together.
And we'll talk about why that might be. But because of the use of the word dropped, right? For a network that's very new, unwell, like trying to make, you know, stand out.
For you to drop, like intentionally separate from your biggest talent, your biggest show, the most famous recognizable person on your network, like that's doesn't make sense. Right.
Only if there's a reason, like a fight, a drama, a bad blood, would you drop someone? Yeah. So for me, I was like, oh, any suspicion I had, because there have been theories online being like, listen, this was just like not the right place for Alex Earl.
And Alex Cooper understands that like, there's not beef. They're just two successful women like doing their best.
And I feel like with this headline, no, it's not that. Like there's drama.
Yeah, this headline is contentious. If they were just going their separate ways, they could have even done it quietly where she's removed from Unwell and they're not selling her ads and Earl goes somewhere else.
And then we hear later on like Earl is with Podcast One or Dear Me or whatever. Like, and that's what you would do if you wanted things to, like, remain peaceful.
But considering they're already going their separate ways, I feel like this was, you know, one more kick in the butt, like, and your drop because it makes Hot Mess look unsuccessful. Yes.
I don't think it is. There are some, like, metrics that are public, which, like, which like her YouTube views, which are very high.
I think it is the biggest show on the network. On the network.
And that doesn't make sense why you would drop your biggest show. Well, so yes, now we can talk about the success of the show, but it is relative, right? Because I think if you look at her YouTube numbers, they're pretty strong.
I don't think a lot of people listen to the audio only version, but I think that's not a knock at Alex Earl. It's the generation, right? Like young people are really not listening to podcasts.
They love like to stream stuff and watch stuff on YouTube. So that's why her YouTube is so successful.
And so I feel like, and I remember saying this, I hate it. You know, you hate to be like a hater, but I remember when Alex Earl signed with Unwell, I remember, I think I said this on the toast, but I know like my personal feelings were like, I feel like this is the wrong move, not because of Unwell, but because Alex Earl shouldn't be doing a podcast, right? Like she's of a generation, she's the face of Gen Z and Gen Z is not huge into podcasting.
It's definitely like an older medium. I feel like millennials really are the biggest.
But also because when you look at the success of it, YouTube, right? That's where everyone's watching it. I don't see the show on the charts really.
It launched and it was like, you know, number one or number two in comedy. But then it sort of disappeared because everybody's watching on YouTube.
So what does that tell us, right? People want to watch Alex Earl, whereas like podcasting is a listening medium. And what I see, because I follow her on all social media.
I happen to think she's like so fabulous. And I see her, she goes to the Super Bowl.
She goes to F1. She goes to Cannes Film Festival.
She goes everywhere. And she is checking four huge suitcases of podcast equipment.
She's like vlogging, like this is my podcast. She sets up a little studio in every hotel room she does to record a podcast episode just so people watch it, not so they listen to it.
So I'm like, you are working so hard for what? Like start a YouTube channel and vlog. You bring one camera.
Like you could literally not check four suitcases if you just like, I feel like the experiment of her being on Unwell, but just like having a podcast really probably taught her that she should be a vlogger. She is on TikTok, but I mean, like if she wants to do long form content, she should be a YouTube vlogger more than she should be a podcaster.
So I think that she should have left Unwell because she should have left the podcasting space. Yeah.
But I do think it's deeper than that. Like I don't think that's why she left.
Maybe she, I don't know if she enjoyed being a podcaster. Well, she might still be a podcaster and she might still lug all that luggage because part of her YouTube channel will still be sitting on the couch talking, but recognizing that people aren't listening to it as much as they're watching it.
But still you want have all that production so I don't know she has the IP to her show which was also interesting but yeah when I saw that like I feel like there's no way Alex Cooper could not have given her the IP after everything that happened with Call Her Daddy because that's exactly what Alex and Sophia wanted and what Alex ultimately got was like the rights to her show and to her name and everything that she built so if she had withheld that from Alex Earl I think that would just it wouldn't have looked good so bad so clearly bad so she parted ways with her gave her the show because previously that's what she would have wanted but also you have to think about like how Unwell needs to look at this like everyone everyone's watching, right? Seeing how these two go their separate ways. But Unwell is currently in the process of their business where they're growing.
They're signing talent. They're signing pre-existing shows.
They just got that girl Avery's podcast. They're creating new shows with new talent like Grace.
And so you want to be perceived as a network that like isn't good to work with, right? We're trying to get everyone to sign with us. So if you're over here stealing Alex Earl's IP, like I don't know if that makes you look good to potential podcasters who might sign with you.
Yeah, I know. I think that she had to give that up, especially with like the call her daddy drama of your.
And so there's just so many layers to this. So now like talking about the actual drama between these two, there's a lot of rumors.
What I have heard is that there is like definitely bad blood between them. And it has been going on for a really long time.
And I think that it, when they, when they launched like, you know, the call her daddy episode of Alex Earl and Alex Earl's new show, it was like this big media thing. It was like good for a couple of months and it really hasn't been good since then.
And a lot of it had to do with the episode of Call Her Daddy that Alex Earl was on and Alex Earl not being happy with some of the questions she was asked and actually having requested edits be made of things she didn't want to talk about and those edits not being honored. And then her dad coming on to manage her and her sister,

bringing like another level of protection, because I do think a lot of the stuff that Alex,

what I had heard, this is all alleged and like potentially untrue. What I had heard was that a lot of the stuff that Alex Earl wanted removed from that initial episode of Call Her Daddy had

to do with her family. You know, she has a lot of family drama.
Her dad had a very famous affair

with Ashley Dupree, who was Elliot Spitzer, the governor of New York. She was like this madam.
And she had this like black book of clients. And it was like this crazy thing.
And the biggest one was the mayor of New York, governor, excuse me, right? Elliott Spitzer. But it turns out one of the other men in the black book of like the wealthy men of the tri-state area was Alex Earl's dad.
They actually ended up getting married. So that's Alex Earl's step-mom I know.

Yeah, she has a very interesting family story,

but it's like not her story to tell.

It's a little traumatic.

And so I think that Alex and the family were very unhappy with how the Call Her Daddy episode

came out and they had requested some things

be taken out and that wasn't honored.

In addition to some of the questions about sex

that Alex Earl wasn't comfortable answering,

but those were also included against her will.

So what I have heard was that it's kind of been bad from the beginning.

And then there's like a lot of inter-business drama, like behind the scenes, because these two girls for a while shared a publicist.

Now the publicist no longer works with Alex Cooper.

And I think the publicist gets a lot of credit for bringing Earl to Unwell.

These two together. Bringing these two together.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I think the publicist gets a lot of credit for bringing Earl to Unwell. These two together.

Bringing these two together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so that's definitely

suspicious.

Like,

now you're only working

with Alex Earl.

It makes,

it begs the question.

That she took a side

because there was a side

to take because

there was drama.

Right?

Like,

if we're just,

if we're just extrapolating.

I don't know.

Interpolating.

Like,

it's definitely

an interesting tidbit that could point to larger issues, but could also just be a coincidence.

Like not everyone works together forever.

Like either one of them could have moved on.

Another reason that like I know that there's something like bad between them is because you were just saying August 2023 is when they signed the unwell Alex Earl deal. It is, what month is it? February.
So that means the contract was probably up August 2025. It was probably a two-year deal.
It's been a year and a half. It's been a year and a half.
So that means that like they really couldn't even work together for the next four or five months just to save face and like end this peacefully, like finish out the terms of your contract. The fact that like they made it a year and a half out of two years.
I had heard that the contract was up in the summer. And I think also it makes sense you would sign like a two year.
That's how podcast contracts work. I don't know a podcast contract that's really less than a year.
And it's usually like one year, two year, three year deals. So you couldn't even like finish out the last couple of months.
It's so bad. There's something going on.
Yeah, of course there's something going on. And then also the use of the word dropped.
Like that is one final like middle finger to Alex Earl because it makes her look unsuccessful. But that we know to be not true.
So that's why it's even more nefarious. It's similar to like TNN dropping Josh Peck.
Like your biggest, most recognizable star who's actually doing a good job.

Why?

Yeah.

Unless we,

unless we have beef with Josh Peck.

Right.

And then you want to give him the finger on his way out the door.

Correct.

So I.

And a way for them to control the narrative a little bit.

And who knows what Alex Earl will do, if she'll say anything or if she's just happy to be gone and is going to continue on her merry way. And it's interesting to note that when TikTok was like dying, you know, the days leading up to the TikTok ban, Alex Earl launched a YouTube channel.
So a separate channel. She has the hot mess channel, which has, I think, like a pretty decent following.
It's really hard to grow a YouTube channel, matter how big your other platforms are, you know? So she does hot mess with her sister mostly and they like do remote episodes, right? So in its second season, which just started a couple of months ago, the cover art changed to both girls but Alex still does some episodes by herself like with Braxton and like her college friends um so I had thought that it was being rebranded to like the Earl girls show which I think it totally should have been yeah um but now it seems like like six days ago still do that I think that's been good for them so I think she's 265,000 subscribers on the hot mess subscribe YouTube channel which is really good yeah I think do that. But Jackie, when you think about it, like her episodes, they do really well, right? Like between 100 and 200,000 views on YouTube per video.
That's really good. But if you watch like her vlogs on TikTok, like this girl's used to getting like 5 million views every video.
You can't compare a TikTok view to a YouTube video, long form video. Of course not.
But all I'm saying is like, how much more work is this podcast episode for 200,000 views as opposed to a vlog on your TikTok that you could also do long form on your YouTube that's cheaper to produce and is going to yield better results? Yeah, but like you have to, if it's a podcast, looking at like say 150,000 downloads per episode for a podcast is really strong in the podcasting world. In the podcast world all that to say that I think the lesson here and I have felt this way from the beginning is Alex Earl never should have like her next big thing in her career should have not been a podcast it makes no sense it's it's definitely an old older thing it's not very Gen Z it's for somebody who got so popular because everybody's obsessed with watching her, like her looks, her fashion, her makeup, her glam, her friends, her parties.
Like you really, that doesn't translate on a podcast. Podcast is really conversational.
And so it was just the wrong thing for her to do. Not that it was wrong to go to Unwell.
There is a conversation to be had about like forking over a percentage of your ad sales to a network like Unwell, whereas could go to any other network and you have a better rev share but like you give up more money of your ad revenue to be supported by unwell because you like there's so many benefits to that yeah so you could have the conversation about whether she should have gone to unwell or not but i think the conversation is like i don't think she should have had a podcast ever yeah well that's like in the hindsight hindsight is 20 times you times. You think she'll still continue doing a podcast? If I were her, I would not.
It is too much work for too little reward. Because look, she has now her own personal YouTube channel that she has promoted.
I saw one time 120,000 subscribers. So that's half the podcast channel does.
But she literally launched it a month ago and has promoted it once, and she's done three videos. Like if she just got into the groove of posting about her YouTube channel once a week doing a vlog, like for life, the parties, Miami, the events, Braxton, like she would be a huge YouTuber, like the biggest vlogger.
Okay. And it's just, it's a lower lift, especially lift especially given how much she travels like to travel with four suitcases of equipment like all right to do it one time for like the super bowl sure every time she goes somewhere she went to mykonos on this tiny little plane i kept thinking where's her podcast equipment like it's too much work for a gal on the go yeah what's in my opinion the camera like cameras tripods lights mic no she, she has like a full blown setup.
Yeah. And it looks great.
That's because of the YouTube. Right.
But you could also make a really premium YouTube video with like a Canon G7X, which is the size of a coffee and like traveling Bluetooth microphones. Like like seriously something you could keep in a laptop case.
You can make really premium content. Yeah.
Just saying. Yes.
And I think that's more so what people want to see from her and less like conversations. Although there have been episodes of her podcast that people really loved.
The one with her dad, people really liked. Obviously the ones with Braxton, people really liked.
So that just like points to people being interested in you. You know, podcasts are conversational.
You interview people, like you talk about random things. They just like her.
They want to see her, her life, like, kind of reality show vibes. Yeah.
Well, that could be next for them. I do feel like sometimes her content, like, is trending that way when she's like, oh, girls, like, that's obviously the name of their show.
And here we go. And it's adorable.
Yeah. I don't know why it hasn't happened yet.
That feels like a no-brainer. Yeah.
But the thing is, is like becoming a reality star these days does not yield even 5% as much money as being one of the world's biggest TikTokers. And it takes up all your time.
Like Alex Earl is making so much money on the things that really take her the least amount of time, which is like short form content on YouTube. I mean, excuse me, on TikTok.
So for her to then like, you know, do an hour long weekly podcast, like these things, I think reality TV show would be great for her fame wise. It would take up a lot of her time and you don't get paid like that much compared to the money she's making from like brand deal.
She's launching a liquor company now. But think of like, I'm thinking like D'Amelio's on Hulu.
How much do you think they got paid by Hulu? Like average reality TV amounts like that. I think they did that for to align themselves with Hulu.
I think it was a part of a big partnership because they were both on Dancing with the Stars when it streamed on Hulu. And I also think that was like a fame thing because they were very internet.
And I think that really gave them like a global, like people who, like your grandparents might've heard of it because they saw it on Hulu. Yeah.
You know? Yeah. So we'll see what happens next.
Do you think Alex Earl is going to say something about this and be like, here's my truth? No. Because the interesting thing about Alex Earl is that she has had incredible success on social media without really doing drama content.
I think a lot of people thrive off of views from scandal and drama and friend breakups. Even that thing with Zandra, she like barely spoke about she referenced it once in a podcast episode.
She never even said Zandra. It could have been anyone like she actually does not do drama like she likes to just like live her life and post about it.
So it's actually really refreshing. And so I think someone else would like see this as an opportunity to like get views and clicks.
I don't think she sees that way. Like she's had success without that.
She doesn't need it. Yeah.

That's what I think.

But again, I'm just talking like out of my ass.

Yeah.

I think it's like if nothing more happens, then it will stay quiet.

But if another insult. But Alex Earl could be mad.

The dropped.

The dropped was a knife.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I think she might be able to let that go and just like carry on.

Because as you said, she doesn't like drama.

But I don't know.

I think if more happens. This is like what we said about Brianna and Grace remember we're

like if nothing more happens they could be friends again right right oh and then of course speaking

of Grace Dave Portnoy chimed in this was really funny because Dave Portnoy posted a TikTok of a

screenshot of him having had a call with Alex Earl new cell phone number for 22 minutes and then he

was playing Circle of Life in the background and drinking so people immediately like forgot all

they having had a call with Alex Earl, new cell phone number for 22 minutes. And then he was playing Circle of Life in the background and drinking.
So people immediately like forgot all the history here and were like, Dave is signing Alex Earl. No, he's not.
He actually commented. I didn't even call her.
It was a joke because when Brianna and Grace broke up and Grace left Barstool, like five minutes later, Alex Cooper posted a video of a screenshot of her phone call with Grace being like, I'm on it.

So he was just copying. He said, but I didn't talk to her.
Yeah. And Alex Earl would never go to Barstool.
Like that's a it's a unilateral move. Yeah.
No, she wouldn't. But it was just a funny thing that he posted.
And then it points to like, is there drama between Dave and Alex Cooper? So that's what I want to talk about, because that's sort of one of the unanswered questions from all this. I feel like after the Grace thing, we never got confirmation because sometimes things have happened between Alex Cooper and Dave.
And we're like, are these two still friends? And they're always like, yeah, like we see each other as business people. We're good.
But after the Grace thing, I feel like there's actually beef. And then him making this video, it's like you wouldn't do that to a friend.
Yeah. And they usually like they usually let us know like we're good.
But I feel like they're not. I don't know.
It might just be like a business adversary. Yeah.
Like where it's like we're not going to start stuff because it's like it's not personal. But it's not like we're best friends and I would trust you.
Right. I do think though Unwell needs to replace Alex's star.
You know, they have this big new deal with Sirius XM. And I think a part of that deal is, like, hitting these download benchmarks every month that Alex Cooper, excuse me, Alex Earl was probably helping with.
So they do need another big, big name there. Yeah.
I wonder who it's going to be. I think they're already, like, in acquisition mode.
Yeah. Yeah, between like scooping up shows that are already successful and that already exist and then like creating new shows with new talent which is what they did with alex earl so i'll be very interested to watch this saga it's fascinating yeah and then they also had the other drama recently oh yes you know about it did i tell did you tell me a little about it.
And then I saw like a transcript of what was said. So I was just talking about one of the podcasts they acquired was this girl, Avery, who's like a big TikToker.
She started a podcast and then Unwell acquired it. And so I guess to like promote her new, you know, career on Unwell, she went on another Unwell podcast, Harry Jowsey, our favorite.
Harry Jowsey, our fave. And they had a convo that people were really unhappy with.
First of all, people were just like, Avery's thing is that she's like a mom of three. She's married.
She just like, she has kind of an ordinary life, but she's made it, you know, extraordinary. And it's like, it's fun.
I like it. Funny mom content.
Yes, exactly. Like comedic take.
Comedic, yeah, real moms being real, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And funny.

And so she's having this conversation with Harry Jousey and the pushback was twofold.

The first was that like just the episode was inappropriate.

Like she was just like flirting with Harry

and she's married and being like,

Harry, would you fuck me?

Like I, like, don't worry.

I had three C-sections, my pussy's pristine.

And people really didn't like that.

Like, because what are you implying?

Like women who go vaginally don't have pristine pussies.

Like it was, it was not good.

She like pissed off moms,

which is not a group you want to piss off.

And my pussy's pristine and people really didn't like that like because what are you implying like women who go vaginally don't have pristine pussies like it was it was not good she like pissed off moms which yeah is not a group you want to piss off and then she also pissed off the christian community um because she was saying and i got her point at first she was making a point of being like the people who leave the nastiest comments on my social media always have like a bible verse in there yeah that's like people have been like people have said that. So that wasn't what people took.
Um, no. And it wasn't what people were offended by.
She was basically saying like the hypocrisy of being a troll with a Bible verse in your, in your bio isn't lost on me. But then she took it a little far being like, and please like if Jesus saw you, like he would bend you over and fuck you raw without a condom or something and it was like holy shit no it like didn't stop here i have yeah quote okay yeah but then i'm saying it i know and i just said it and like don't clip that i don't believe that i love my christian community okay instead of jesus like i'm just gonna say blank so that i can't be taken out blank is going to sp lady, if you keep it up.
He's gonna bend you over and fuck your ass. Blank is gonna go poop pirate on your ass if you keep up this bullshit.
They deserve it with no lube. With no lube, right.
That's what they say. And what is poop pirate? Do I even want to know? I think it's what you think, you know? Actually, I don't even have a thought.
I don't know what that is. Like, I just.
Urban Dictionary. I have a thought.
So tell me if I'm right. Like, I'll tell you if it's like an obvious.
Like, I feel like it's like just the obvious progression of like what she's saying. Okay, it's literally not on.
It's like not coming up on Urban Dictionary. Oh, maybe it's an original term.
Okay, we found it. No, it says a poop pirate is a person who lurks outside restrooms and waits for you to leave so they can rush in and sniff the toilet seat that's not what i was thinking i don't know if that's what she meant but anyway so this is actually a very big controversy like i have been seeing it a lot and i did i'm she's very much like a tiktok person and i am not um and then she released a video because like it was becoming too big to ignore and she was like the whole podcast was scripted she was actually like a really bad she didn't clear anything up for me got it so they just came out of that one now into this one right but that's on just working with influencers and being on the internet and to be honest like that's the sign of a healthy business in this industry like if you're not being talked about positively or negatively like you're nobody so it's like a tough part of the business but it is like a sign of life yeah so now this we'll see what happens next yeah are you ready for our next story Travis Kelce is making news in.
One, he's saying how he listens to Taylor Swift's music when he's depressed. He said she has something for every mood.
So him and Jace face got a little emo on the pod talking about what kind of music they like to listen to when they're down in the dumps. So Travis had said that he listens to Taylor songs when he's depressed because she has something for everything.
And Jason agreed that no matter what mood you're in, you can find some Taylor music to relate to. Then he said- And it's true.
It's a universal truth. And then Jason said that he prefers sad country when he's feeling down.
He said, no matter how bad I'm feeling, there's a country guy who is singing about it and feeling way worse for me. And that gives me joy.
Stop. They're such like girls.
I love the way they talk about this. Also, I was I'm on like the really like truly ill side of social media where people were freaking out about this episode because he wasn't in his studio, Travis.
And like people have been speculating for a couple of weeks that him and Taylor are on vacation because they haven't been spotted. And it's like him recording podcast it was just like a couch it was like totally a hotel villa or something kind of confirms like they're on vacation like okay so they're on vacation like his work just ended her work just ended there it's called like when your vacation dates align like it wasn't but like everybody's like they're on vacation it's president's week yeah right off so I guess this confirmed that for them and then also uh the chiefs gm reveals that travis was battling a pretty big illness ahead of the super bowl loss so he didn't say what it was he said we're never going to make excuses and talk about it but i mean yeah he was battling with a pretty big illness there before the super bowl he said it probably like considering the way that the eagles played it wouldn't have made a difference how he was feeling.
But that, yeah, he was sick. He didn't share the diagnosis, but to me, like what comes to mind is like, I was sick for the Superbowl too.
And I felt really, really bad. And maybe Travi felt, maybe he had the flu COVID long flu as well.
And I want to say, I know he's one of the greats, but Michael Jordan, like really ruined this excuse for other people because he like famously won the NBA championships with like the flu and he was like he had like 105 fever he's like vomiting and shitting on the sidelines and he played like the greatest game of his life and it's like one of these famous sports hero stories and like so if Michael Jordan can do it why can't Travis you know even though being sick is like such a valid excuse normalize able to do your best. No.
And like in this day and age, like if you play sick and you're like contagious with other people, like you're canceled. And I actually think it's no longer admirable.
No, it's like you seriously could lose everything. I actually think Travis probably had COVID and that's why he won't say what it is.
Because for years you super spreader football if you hadn't been exposed to someone who had it. So yeah, take test and then like go sweat on everybody cancel i love this theory i love this theory he totally the super bowl was a super spreader event 100 and now he's detoxing on in a warm destination because that's like good for his sinuses because he had covid and maybe he has the sun too The sun is so good for those types of symptoms.

Correct. The oceans aren't closed anymore and also vitamin t vitamin lurd vitamin lurd which is so good for the sinuses it is it's good for the soul you got to heal my body and soul you love to see like two grown men who were like from the sports world, rub some dirt in it, talking about like music and emotions.
It's beautiful. Yeah.
Travis said he listens to music that is very telling of his mood. Okay, we need him to go public on Spotify.
Sounds like a children's book. Go public on Spotify.
Yeah, prove it. Prove it.
And I just want to say like Travis, you could listen to music that's not Taylor's. i feel like i feel like he does listen to travis's taylor's music but he like says like oh yeah i only listen to taylor but like what else do you listen to it's okay to like listen to a bunch of different things not only your girlfriend i think he really likes lmfao are you joking or no i'm serious um that's something that i got from watching catching kelsey he like had them at a party and everyone was like so excited like party rock those were like his guys like I think that's something that I got from watching Catching Kelsey.
He like had them at a party and everyone was like so excited. Like party rock.
Those were like his guys. Like I think that's his favorite kind of music.
Party rock anthem. Got it, got it.
And that tracks. That's beautiful.
But not when he's feeling sad. Do they have any ballads? Sorry for party rockin'.
So sorry for the rock. I love it.
He also said the only way you can find yourself in the light is to find yourself in the dark first. An unfortunate truth.
I'm trying to think about that. I feel like it's easier to find yourself in the light.

Well, you're speaking from your own point of privilege. Yes.

I'm speaking from like just practically speaking,

like it's easier to find oneself in the light.

Oh, I think he wasn't speaking in a physical sense.

I think it was speaking in a spiritual sense.

But yes, if I'm looking for something and the light is on,

it's obviously way more helpful.

But I understand what Travis means. He probably saw that Michael Phelps commercial too.
Yeah, no. Travis is like reading off a quote card from like brainyquotes.com.
But it's like one that was like botched. Like left on the cutting room floor.
No, it's just like they like mistyped it wrong. But I understand what you mean, Travi.
And I'm so glad he made it it to the big game i'm so glad my travi made it to the big game even though he had covid and he played like arse he played real lame oh that's good one of my favorite fun facts is that the name claudia a Latin translation of the word lame, which feels right. Oh, you don't know.
I'm Googling it. I've always known that to be true.
And actually one of Ben's parents, friends just gave me a gift, like the book of a thousand names is really sweet. And of course, you know, the first thing you do is like, look up your own name.
And the definition is lame. In English, Claudia is a girl's name that means lame or enclosure it comes from the latin word claudis which means lame or crippled i told you and i do feel like lame and enclosure like that's me like i'm always in some sort of enclosure whether it's like my bed that's so funny That's like those videos of like here are words that would be beautiful names except for what they mean.

Like mean syphilis.

That would be a beautiful name.

Yeah.

If it didn't mean disease.

It's really unfortunate.

I don't know if gallbladder would be a beautiful name.

I saw one that was like oatmeal.

No, that's not good.

That's not good. Oh, my good.
Oh my gosh. Funny.
Okay, lame. It's Jackson Lamin.
We're your host. What does Jackie mean? What story number are we on? Who knows? I know.
Claudia, if you have to ask, then you know. Did you see that? Oh, three.
I sent Claudia a funny comment, which is apparently every day. She says, what? And some days we move at such crazy pace.
I can't believe we're only on the third story and we're already at an hour. Like, do you know what I mean? Are we at an hour? Yeah.
And that's why I'm like, you're dilly dallying so hard. Get to the story.
Jackie comes from meaning God is gracious,

holder of the heel and supplanter. That's so wrong.

I need to talk to our parents.

Like that is so wrong.

Lame and holder of the universe.

What was it?

It's Jackson Holder.

Like it's so wrong.

Okay, I'll go to the next story.

And you know what?

I might skip over one story.

Okay.

Will that make you better?

Well, that would be the second day in a row

that we only did four stories.

And I feel like the show did not suck.

I'm sorry. Okay, I'll go to the next story.
And you know what? I might skip over one story, okay? Will that make you feel better? Well, that would be the second day in a row that we only did four stories. And I feel like the show did not suffer.
No, because we kind of did like two or three with Unwell because we did like Unwell, then we did Avery, and we did Dave. Grace, it's so true.
And Claudia says we're at an hour. But our next story is like some tragically beautiful news, actually.
Jesus Guerrero's family is thanking Kylie Jenner for covering the hairstylist's funeral expenses and plan to honor him the best way that they can. So first of all, I want to correct because we were saying his name wrong the other day and it's Jesus, not Jesus.
Wait. No, you literally said it right back to me.
I thought you were going to call him. Well, because you said it first.
Oh, but then. I assumed that you knew something I didn't know.
Oh, okay. But you didn't know it any more than I did.
You're the leader. You are like the leader.
You're always correcting me. You're always cl you are like you're always correcting me you're always I wouldn't dream of it I wouldn't dream of ever correcting you of how I say things but anyways not only is she covering his funeral cause she put out like a really beautiful tribute yesterday and I think that they were even closer than people expected them to be like he's been with her for a very long time and I think one of her kids friends she shared videos and photos of them traveling and in her home like not just working together but just like living together and she shared how like he was a light who got her through so many dark times so I think she's really grieving I also know she wasn't at the SAG Awards with Timmy on Sunday um I think because this was all very like I think that's I think she would have been there otherwise no, because they've been together at most award shows.
And like last week, I actually was just looking at pictures. Timothy hosted a Cartier event.
It was like a poker party. And Kylie, like I just saw, they had a bunch of like film photos developed.
And Kylie's like there at Chateau Marmont, like playing poker with Cartier. So yes, they're like very much supportive of one another, especially when it comes to award seasons.
And Kylie's definitely going through it right now. And her paying for the funeral costs is like,

I don't know why people like act surprised. Like she's actually very generous and this is like no skin off her back.

I'm sure she's doing more than that.

Like setting his family up with stuff.

So she's a queen.

This is such a sad story.

And so many more tributes have been rolling.

And actually was just reading a really beautiful one this morning from

Shane Mitchell,

who was worked with him for many years.

And it seemed like he was really like good with kids too. Cause so many of the things that I've seen is pictures of him and everybody's kids.
Yeah, that's really... It's really sad.
It is really sad. But they had a GoFundMe set up for his funeral costs, and then she covered the whole thing.
So they said the money that was raised previously will go towards costs associated with securing his belongings home and other unexpected expenses to settle his assets. So that just like makes this really difficult time a little bit easier for his family, which is very kind.
And I did see the GoFundMe and like I wanted to see like what celebrities had donated because you can like look by like the most you could sort the donations by amounts. And so many celebrities like donating between like one and five thousand dollars.
A bunch of anonymous people in there with like 10k so like i don't know who that was but it seems like this was like a person who who a lot of people worked with but also really loved yeah yeah so it's a really sad story very sad um our what's gonna be our fifth and final story is a little more hollywood news oh two hollywood big tycoons like ourselves talking about our fellow Hollywood big tycoons? Exactly. And is it brought to you by Squarespace? It is.
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You're welcome. So our fifth and final story has actually been a last minute swap for some breaking news.
Oh, fuck. I love breaking news.
Real housewife Karen Huger gets a far longer prison sentence than she expected for her DUI. She has been sentenced to two years in jail with one year suspended over her DUI conviction.
Huger arrived in court on Wednesday with her husband Ray to learn her fate following her convictions for several driving under the influence offenses after she crashed her Maserati in Maryland in March 2024. Prosecutors had asked for the Bravo Star to serve six months in jail, but the judge gave her the highest possible sentence as it was not her first DUI.
It wasn't? Huger's lawyers asked the judge to go soft on her, arguing she was grieving her parents' death and struggling with antidepressants. They said Ms.
Huger's mother died on Thanksgiving morning in 2017 for kidney failure and sepsis. Her father died seven months later on June 18 from the complications of Alzheimer's and of a broken heart.
Those two losses in quick succession were for Ms. Huger personally devastating and in her opinion may have been the straws that broke her back, arguably leading to several errors in errors in judgment however she was found guilty of driving at a speed too high for the conditions before she ultimately struck a median and two signs now she has been sentenced with two years in prison i had no idea that like jail time was even on the table for karen huger and i don't know if i necessarily knew that you could go to jail for a du.
Every time I think of like celebrities with DUIs, like it's like slap on the wrist, community service, paying a fine. Justin Timberlake, you need to make that cringe video.
I think it's very different if it's your first versus your second. And also every state has different laws.
But like I just didn't know that this was even an option. Well, and also some people get a DUI and they go to jail for a few days or a week like right chloe kardashian kohue paris hilton era um but again different for your first versus your second and i just want to get clarity because they said two years in jail with one year suspended does that mean net net one year in jail yeah that's what it sounds like but i'm sure i don't know what the hell that means i'm shocked i conflicted.
You know how I feel about DUIs. Punish them to the highest extent of the law.
It's seriously the dumbest, most dangerous, selfish, disgusting thing you could do. But Karen Huger is my fucking queen.
And I know she's better than this and I know she has a good heart, but she did that shit. So I don't know.
I'm really confused. Yeah.
No no and um she had been arrested i think in like 2006 for drunk driving like they like it strikes established a pattern matter that is not something you could do once let alone more than once and now she's serving up to a year in jail i guess it definitely seems harsh especially because the prosecution was only going for six months. And like that.
Right. The judge said, hold my beer.
Like you really can kill someone. And she crashed.
It's not like she just was pulled over. They noticed she was being weird.
Like she literally crashed and that could have been a person. And then she would be like, I don't know what the law is in that state, but a lifetime jail so this is the third housewife to go to prison Teresa Jen Shaw have there been any others like Luanne's been arrested but she didn't go to jail but see Luanne and Luanne was just being drunk and disorderly like she was drunk at a hotel and then like slapped a cop which is terrible but different than a DUI so I understand why the it's also crazy I feel like they're, I just, I almost wish I didn't get this news breaking because I need time to digest it.
Like I'm feeling, you know, this is so personal to me, DUIs, but also Karen Huger. It's not very grand dame of her.
It's seriously. No, this is really shocking.
The length. The extent.
Yeah. Especially because she's like an older woman.
I don't know. It's just sad but i guess it not being your first like makes a huge difference with all yeah yeah yeah like uh it's she's got a rap sheet yeah so shit we'll see what happens there now speaking of bravo time for a real i don't know how to transition like i'm serious i can't get over this I know not expected at all I also can't see her in jail I can't picture it Teresa I could picture Jen Shaw I could picture like these are tough broads no Karen is so tough Karen is she is but she's a fragile old woman that's true she's a 60 year old so like maybe as they shared.
And probably hasn't been the same since.

That's really traumatizing.

But it doesn't mean you can get behind the wheel of your car drunk and like on pills.

My God.

Okay.

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

I just need to like quickly shift my mindset.

Caviar Caspia.

Fourth of July party.

Caviar Caspia. Like seriously bring me a fucking baked potato with caviar right now.

Yeah.

The Fourth of July party like had so much potential to be a fun afternoon because it just looked pargy like she made it really nice and it was destroyed now like nobody wanted to be there already um yeah they were looking for an excuse the first three people who came were like the people the we hate dorit clubs so the vibes yeah off from the start but then everyone's like complaining that it's hot like it's fourth of july in california of course it's hot like can everyone cheer up this is a beautiful party look at that spread look at that hot dog cart the hot dog when it comes to dorit and sutton i'm like so fiercely team dorit with the events at the july 4th thing like dorit wasn't helping herself like for the first time i didn't find her like 100 like defensible like she was being like a shitster like starting stuff but she hates sutton so like i get that when you hate someone like you start stuff yeah but like when you hate someone and you guys have beef like no you cannot make a joke like of course everything is taken out of context but I actually and in that moment of course like Dorit was wrong and then Sutton was wronger yep but then when she was explaining at Caviar Caspia like if she was like if you just said to me like Dorit that upsets me don't say that like it just it would have changed like Sutton didn't have to react like that but it's really hard in the moment like and Sutton was already on one she came she didn't want to be there she waited she didn't want to be there the thing with the Birkin was very awkward she didn't want to be there and then the comment about the alcohol and she didn't want to be there but Sutton also acting like Dorit's the only one who ever commented about Sutton's alcohol consumption and then I love that they flash back to like everything that was said about it and like the thing is I think Sutton drinks a lot but I don't think she has a problem like there are plenty of people like that um yep so but the thing is I now no longer care about like who was right who was wrong about like the July 4th stuff because the caviar caspia wallet conversation was so crazy and And somebody I saw on Twitter pulled a tweet. I had forgotten about this moment where at a reunion, this came up just like about her being very like hoity-toity about money.
And somebody asked Crystal, like, do you think Sutton Strack wields her money as a weapon and uses it to make herself feel secure? And Crystal was like, no, but that's because I have more money than her. When she was asking if it was directly about her.
And so it's true where she sees like a lack of money because Dorit's money is very curious, right? She sees that as a weakness. And so, I mean, I understand that she's proud of how far she's come in this life, but like, it's really crazy.
Yeah. Also, it seems like after July 4th, Sutton has been completely activated to become like the worst possible version of herself she wants to take down dorit at all costs and she's going to dig in on the fact that dorit doesn't have a lot of money which is like a really weird thing to do and not something that's probably going to play well with the bravo audience with the audience i was looking on twitter and people are like yeah like it's like they're here well people have wanted dorit's financial like situation to be brought up for a couple of years because there have been big stories that have largely been ignored like his gambling debts the tax stuff the lawyer thing they pay their rent they pay their mortgage they pay their taxes they're still in the house like until something happens I have to move on from it it's she has new clothes she has boxes everywhere everything she's wearing is this season she's got far-fetched receipts in the house like i'm sorry there's nothing there at the moment i think when they get divorced things will come to light but as of right now like it's it's there's nothing so but for her to decide like i'm going after joreen i'm gonna make it about money was like seriously the worst idea strategy completely lost everyone like all of the women that's just like and and she's calling her in her confessional poor read like and the women in this particular group actually do not like to talk about money like you are on the wokest network like what do you think you're you think this is a sleigh yeah no and this is like one thing the women uh and they all like even though they all want everybody's drama to be brought to the forefront they never talk about Dorit's money stuff like money is something it's like in Beverly Hills with this particular group of women they don't talk about it like it's de classe it's somewhere they don't go so it really took it immediately separated everyone from Dorit everybody took a step back talking about money is de classe and I think the more money you have the less to talk about it.
Like someone like Sutton, who's obviously from money, married money, just has money pouring out of her purses and her wallets. Like is the last person who should talk about money because she is so much higher.
And so what is she saying? Like her and Doreen aren't on the same level. That Doreen shouldn't start with her because she has more money.
Like what is your money even like not only is that an awful thing to say but like practically speaking why can't you fight with someone who has more money what are you going to do to her it's yeah it's not a good argument and jennifer tilly who is really growing on me she was being really funny this episode when talking about caviar really growing on me and i loved all the tidbits about the caviar like i seriously loved she talks like a poor person you know like she's like when you go to caviar casper in paris you're usually hoping somebody else picks up the bill and she is so funny she's like and i would eat all the caviar except it's too expensive like she was no i mean she's also like i don't know what's the best kind i ordered the most expensive one i don't know if that's facts facts meanwhile she was being really cute right and it was like a really great display of like two women who have a wealth so much wealth jennifer and. And then like Sutton is being such a snob about the caviar saying how like Dorit can eat salmon roe.
Like I know it's like stupid, but it's so fucking classist. Like we're not, we don't talk like that.
That's not how like civilized people talk to each other. So like I think she completely buried herself with that and that she says in her commercial, I'm proud I said it I would say it again two more times three more like it's seriously crazy and whatever if Dorit was ever wrong which you know to me she never was she's certainly not now no she was she was never wrong but with the July 4th thing in particular like Sutton had a little bit of a leg to stand on like stop starting at the table she was like when dorit was like apologized and when garcelle was like apologized to her and so she apologized didn't feel that genuine but then she was like no if i hurt your feelings i offended you like i am sorry i just would have wish you would have told me that that upset you and then think of all the things that dorit could say to sutton and she doesn't you know yeah she said in her confessional all your money's gotten you is a horse and not a date but she doesn't go there she does she has not sunk very low what to make a comment about her alcohol they all drink duree has a drink in her hand in every episode no it's so true but she's sort of opened the door now to talk about oh we're going low okay let's talk about the fact that you've literally have not earned a single dollar that you have you were born to it and you married it like okay so why does that make you better than me and by the way there I feel like there's even like meaner things that you could say what are you thinking of I feel like you're thinking of something I'll tell you like not something like specific not something like an event or anything like that I don't know what you're referring to like this big obvious thing okay we'll talk offline but anyways I just feel like I i don't how do you even answer to that at the reunion while also having setting your confessional months later like i completely stand by that right but then i was also confused because the fans on twitter like are on sutton's side with that and they're like they are yeah they're like it's giving like nini leaks i'm rich bitch that's not what it was it wasn't a self it wasn't an empowering thing about oneself it was putting someone else down yeah and nini was being pushed into a corner like they were she was they were doubting her success she said i cash trump checks i am rich bitch first of all don't even compare yourself to the great nini leaks like you could ever and sudden wasn't saying i'm an amazing wealthy woman because if she wants to congratulate herself all day long go ahead she's a self-made woman that's why she could say shit like that but it's also then she didn't turn around and call someone poor right right she was just defending herself yeah so if sudden wants to talk about how much money she has but not in relation to like what other people do or don't have okay fine it's about poor reet yeah yeah it's when i heard her say poor and i watched with subtitles otherwise i might have missed it god i missed it my i texted you i said poor reet are you and i said did you just make that up or did somebody say that you're like no sutton said it in her confessional i was like oh i totally missed that so she's going all in on this meanwhile dorita's going all in on her confessionals about a sudden when she was like she you could tell us it's like all activated everything's off because she was like i mean i don't know why sutton would have such an issue with me making a joke about her drinking unless there's something really dark and sinister there and it's like oh and there's not no i know there's not but now now we can say whatever we want now we we can say whatever we want.
Like we're just saying crazy things. Also, Faye Resnick with the icebreaker.
By the way, Faye Resnick was looking very pargy. And she was really adding a lot to the conversation in the sense of jovial jests and icebreaking.
And Kathy's downed in appearance in two episodes back to back after being gone for most of the season. And she's giving us nothing.
No, Kathy cracks me up. Because like, even though I love bows, but like bows sitting at Kathy's house being like

kind of. in two episodes back to back after being gone for most of the season and she's giving us nothing.
No, Kathy cracked me up because like, even though I love Bo's,

but like Bo's sitting at Kathy's house

being like,

Kyle's cold and like,

I don't get her and I don't like her.

Kathy's like, yummy.

Like, yeah.

That's so crazy.

That's your sister.

Like, don't let someone talk like that.

I want to say something.

I want to say something about Bo's

who I have loved

and I still do.

But like from the moment I met her,

I haven't had a negative thing to say about her.

And now after a couple of weeks,

I have a negative thing to say.

Being a first season housewife

and coming on with a story

like I want to get pregnant

And I think that had a negative thing to say about her. And now after a couple of weeks, I have a negative thing to say.
Being a first season housewife and coming on with a story like I want to get pregnant, even though like we know you're not like it's just

a storyline. It's really unacceptable behavior.
Like it's unacceptable behavior. It's such a

trope, you know, like remember when that one season Melissa Gorga was like, I'm going to get

pregnant. We're like, no, you're not like it's really it's bottom of the barrel when when you're

not going to do it. It's bottom of the barrel.
I can't stand it. And also thank you for reminding

Thank you. gonna get pregnant we're like no you're not like it's really it's bottom of the barrel when when you're not gonna do it it's bottom of the barrel i can't stand it and also thank you for reminding me the most dreadful 10 minutes of my life was that scene with kyle and her life coach like how that passed got a snack went to the bathroom took my magnesium for the evening turned on the him.
I don't know what was said. And by the way, I missed his subtitle of who his name is.
So I had no idea who that person on her couch was. Life coach.
I didn't know that. I thought like, I don't know, man, I don't know.
I am filing a class action lawsuit to Bravo. If you'd like to join, send me a message.
It was positively dreadful. Although she did say one thing.
I fed my starter dreadful although she did say one thing I fed my starter right she did say one thing that made me like feel for her because I feel like when we talk about divorce we always talk about how like you know the woman gets the house and she should but Kyle's like I almost wish I didn't because he gets to go have this fun new life in a new apartment and I'm left here in this house that everybody used to be at and because it's also timing up with like all of her kids being out of the house, she's like so aware of everything she's lost while all he sees is this new exciting life. I was like, that actually does suck.
Even though you would think like you should get the house. The house kind of is like a curse.
Yeah. No, she's stuck with all the memories and all the tethers and the anchors.
And he just gets like, pick out Pardy furniture in a Pardy apartment. But also because their kids are out of the house, she does, like, Dorit should get her house.
Her kids need her house. Yes, exactly.
But then Dorit might wind up in an apartment, and that's not, that would be sad. It just really depends.
When you have young kids, like, to keep some sense of stability, like, the mother keeps the house, like, it makes sense. But with Kyle's kids being grown, I'm like, oh, that does sound, like, kind of miserable and lonely.
Yeah, and, like, they just, they moved in a few years ago, but it takes time to settle. And I'm sure she was probably like just starting to feel like at home and then it goes and changes again.
But yeah, that was that was a tough watch to answer what you said about Bo's and the pregnancy journey. I don't mind it.
I found it very interesting. However, and at first when I'm like, she's 47 and she wants to have a baby is like giving Diana Jenkins like and these people haven't even said I love you yet.
Oh, no. But I I'm like, that's it's biblical.
It's fascinating. And like if she could do it at 47, like I would love to see that.
But then to find out that she actually had two extremely high risk pregnancies. Yes.
That she should not have another, let alone an older. That this is a bad idea.
And if she wants a baby, like maybe a surrogate should have it or something. Then I'm like now I'm like, what?'m like what why i mean i'm sorry the idea that her and this man would have a baby together and they're like doing ultrasounds in her living room when they haven't even exchanged i love you's please stop wasting my time oh i didn't feel that way and i do love that like bo's brings everything in in house that was nice to see yes literally get an ultrasound in your living room and i just want to say i love her and i haven't said a bad word.
And I won't again, because the way she like blindly stands up for Dorit, like that's the kind of support Dorit needs right now. And she is etched in my book.
And Erica said it best. First of all, she does always come in for Dorit, but like she's not wrong in the things that she's saying.
Like when she said that they're rude for being in the corner. Like I haven't found her to like blindly and wrongly defend Dorit yet.
Not wrongly, yeah. She comes she calls it how she sees it.
And she's, she's been like 10 for 10 so far. When Dorit, when Erica said like everyone needs to be, stop being so threatened by Dorit and Boz's friendship.
That's exactly what it is. Like two people just, sometimes people click faster than other people.
You might think you get along with someone, but they just connected with someone faster and stronger. And like, I think people are mad that Dorit has this person in her corner who is having her back and Dorit isn't like in a really fierce kind of way yeah Dorit isn't on an island and Erica has her back too but she also has Kyle's back and she definitely plays the fence plays yeah um but it's nice and the thing is Sutton also and Erica said this like Garcelle does the same thing for Sutton like, please.
If it's going to be Dorit versus Sutton and Garcelle, like she deserves to have. Then why not Dorit and Bose? Right.
They just don't like it. Yeah, they don't because Bose is a formidable opponent.
Yeah. She don't fuck around.
I do like their friendship and I'm glad that Dorit has that. Has her.
I agree. and then also I thought the window into Dorit's room and Kyle seeing that like really um put things into perspective when Kyle was like Dorit is a very meticulous person she's very clean like to see her bedroom look like this yeah it's so funny because Dorit is so open and she gets accused of not being open when she's literally sitting down she's like I don't even see it I'm not myself like I would never like I don't see there's dead orchids there I can't see it like I feel like everyone is acts like she doesn't share what's going on but like it's literally right there in front of you so if she says an off remark like she's not herself and she's trying to tell everyone that no and there's no grace given yeah the boxes like that really was so crazy for someone who even her best friend

knows like she wouldn't live like that yeah tomorrow we have summer house and i've been

seeing whispers online that some of the spritz drama starts tonight if that's true i can't wait

i saw that the text message page shows a text message i saw someone like as much as they could

transcribe what's in the message like it's is this play about us yes i can't freaking wait

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