Beyonce, 'Brina and Baldoni: Monday, February 3rd, 2025

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Excludes restaurants. Good morning, millennials.
Welcome back to the toast and happy Monday. Hope everybody's having a gargi-bargi Monday.
I'm feeling so musical after watching the Grammys. It's a gargi-bargi Monday.
Yeah, that's right. Jack's here.
Clerc here. Time to recap the Grammys.
Time to recap our weekends. So much to discuss.
How you doing? So much to discuss. Yes, this will be a musical episode.
Not that the other ones aren't, but we are recapping the Grammys. The five and the five and a half hour show was it i don't know because eventually i had to go to sleep so i did miss the last three hours but uh i watched most of it i would say i watched well it's so insane like i went to bed at 11 15 and i would say i watched most of the grammys but i definitely didn't see the most important parts until this morning like having to watch clips on social media media.
We're going to get into like a full Grammys recap, but I do want to say like, I do take major umbrage with the abuse of our time. Yeah, that was really crazy, especially because there were so many parts that were easily cuttable.
Like it just felt like they got a five hour time slot this time and they were going to use it. The beginning was really strong and I'm sure the end was strong because that's when the big awards come out but like they genuinely wanted to waste our time.
1000% and you know I feel I feel like I know what I'm gonna say is like about to get me canceled but I felt as though the Quincy Jones tribute was like far too long. No disrespect to the dad like seriously Quincy Jones is an amazing amazing person his work speaks for itself but like so much.
Yeah. Will like so much.
There was a lot. And at a certain point I didn't know like what I was watching in respect of.
Do you know what I mean? Like it went from memorandum to Quincy Jones, back to the fires, back to another tribute, tributing Alicia Keys by Queen Latifah. I didn't know who I was tributing at certain points.
I feel like in terms of tributes, they spread themselves a little thin. Too many tributes.
Too many tributaries. And I thought that Chris Martin was about to sit down and sing a One Direction song and I was so fucking excited.
And he sang a song I didn't know. So that was a missed opportunity.
Like what song? Oh, that would have been nice. Yeah, like a very like a very acoustic piano like night changes night changes would have been nice because everybody's always listening to night changes and using it in their reels yeah there's just no reason that they shouldn't like they that would have been really parjade i didn't even think of it now i'm like feeling oh i thought for sure and i'm like this is so sweet like you know kind of the og boy Chris Martin.
What did he sing? I wasn't familiar with the tune. Was it even a Coldplay song? I wasn't familiar with the background of the tune.
Because everyone was also liking that. Playing songs that aren't theirs.
And then also everyone was singing songs for California. And there are only so many great songs about California.
And then we're just like singing. And they didn't even sing California.
Lots of covers. Why didn't they sing that one? Why didn't they sing? Oh, never mind.
Why didn't they sing California Girls by Katy Perry? Like they're actually even better songs. Where was Katy Perry? I know she wasn't nominated.
Well, she was brutally snubbed. Not that it's a snub if you don't deserve it.
She was like completely left out. I don't know.
It's not a snub if you're not qualified. I don't know how she could have shown her face.
I know. When all of her peers.
She wasn't nominated. So do you even get an invitation at that point? I mean, if she wanted to present, they would have like totally thrown her a bone.
But I think it's I think it's a pride thing. Like it would have been so glaringly obvious that she wasn't.
No one was talking about how many nominations Lifetime's got because it deserved none. But if she was there, we would have been talking about like, oh, that's weird.
How many did she get? Oh, none. Has Katy Perry ever won a Grammy or is she in that category? I fear she might be in the category of like your pop girlies who've never won a Grammy or she has.
Katy Perry Grammys. People who've never won a Grammy who deserve at least one.
I feel like it's her. Yes.
She's been nominated, but she's won a grand total of zero of her 13 nominations. She can't go.
I'm sorry. She can't for Katie self.
I just want to say Prism was snubbed for best pop vocal album. No, like firework when it was nominated for best song.
She song she was nominated by the way she's been nominated since her foray into music i kissed a girl was nominated she's so it's not for lack of nominations they should have brought her to sing california girls that way she could have come i'm sure she was free last night and you know she was just like sitting at home i don't think she's like beefing though like because ariana grande doesn't go because she has beef with the grammmys and like Eternal Sunshine, even though it was nominated here and there, like it was, it got some snubs also. She like will never go to the Grammys again.
Ari. Yeah.
She's kind of like the female weekend, except if she were to come back, people would care. Shade.
I don't think there's like beef for Katy Perry. I think it's just like, we'll get them next time.
I actually don't have beef per se with The Weeknd.

I will say after last night, I think I actually understand him more than ever before.

It was just funny how like it was like this big grand reveal.

And I don't know if like the American people were super conscious that The Weeknd was actively boycotting the Grammys.

It's like he's back and we're like, oh, he left?

Yeah.

So it was a good performance.

And I did realize he's kind of like one of the only male straight pop stars.

I was thinking that because you asked me if Benson Boone was gay.

And I was like, actually, I don't know.

But then I was like, well, who are like the pop boys?

And it's like Harry Styles.

But he's very, you know, gender, I mean, sexually fluid.

And I'm like, who are like the straight pop boys?

And it's literally The Weeknd.

Post Malone.

Okay, but he's like a rapper.

I guess he's like so genre fluid now.

He's also country, but like I would put him there.

Okay, yeah, fine.

Who else?

Drake.

Kendrick Lamar.

Okay, so pop.

You want to say pop.

Yeah, pop.

Well, yeah, pop is a girly category.

So if you're a man in the category, like you're going to be girly.

You're a little girly.

Well, Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran holds it down for the straight voice Ed Sheeran what about Ed Sheeran very good yes very good that's why he has like so many streams because it's like everyone has to go to the one if they're looking for straight male music same same with The Weeknd we're always saying like is The an industry plant? No, maybe he's just sort of like the winner by default when it comes to male superstars. Yeah.
It's interesting to think about. Yeah.
So we will do like a full Grammys recap, all the performances, the outfits, the awards. But Jax, how was your weekend? So my weekend was very quiet.
We were in bed at home getting over the flu, which wasn't like actually so terrible to just be cozy watching TV. And you know, I can only watch so much Spidey and his amazing friends.
So I actually read my book for the redheads while, um, they were watching TV and it is so good. This book is so good.
And it's been so long since I've read wedding people, the wedding people. So it's just like a fiction book, a girl it's,, present day.
She's going, like, it's just a one woman telling her story of what she's up to. I'm going to add it to my Goodreads.
It's hard for me to like books like that. I'm surprised that you like it.
Yeah. No, I'm shocked that I like it so much.
It has, like, a lot of depth. It's not just, like, a surface lyrics girly book.
Like, there are so many interesting touch points. Just, like, good banter, good writing.
I was talking to Dana it but like she is no don't spoil it I just added to my not to spoil the book but Dana is loving the book and I'm it's been so long since like I've liked just a fiction nonsense book even though this book is not nonsense just because it's really well written it's hard for me to care about things that aren't true that aren't like based on a true story that aren't telling a larger message of something important it's just good writing and good reading and I am loving it like I'll be sad when it's over you should read it that's so good I'm I'm I was like gonna read it but the fact that you liked it is shocking so I'll read it yeah no it's not like just swirly stupid you know boy meets girl smut's real, even though like it has that sort of cover.

Yes, I thought it was for sure that.

No, there is some like really-

I judged a book by its cover.

Big themes and really good writing.

I failed at my one mission this weekend,

which was to see The Brutalist.

I did not do it.

I couldn't find the four hours.

Did you watch Da Vinci Code?

No, I watched hours and hours of Desperate Housewives. Oh, and I came up with a thesis.
I don't know if you saw. Also educational.
Also educational. I posted a TikTok about it.
It kind of flopped, which was, like, disgusting. But I was watching the show, and, you know, I feel like we've had this conversation before about how Susan Meyer is very Carrie Bradshaw-coded, right? Yeah.
You know, insufferable leads, think they're so cutesy, and they're just awful friends, awful decision makers, decision makers awful you know uh women in finance like they're so poorly like with their house so we've always made that comparison and it wasn't until this weekend that I had this sort of breakthrough because I was watching Lynette and I was feeling this familiar feeling with Lynette that I really felt when I re-watched as a grown woman for the first time Sex in the City Lynette Scavo is very much the Miranda Hobbs of Wisteria Lane. The unsung hero.
The unsung hero. And when you watched it the first time, it was just like, nobody wanted to be the Lynette.
It's not glamorous. But she's the voice of reason.
And when you rewatch it now as like, you know, someone who runs a household, who has a husband, who, you know, will be a mom, like you have so much respect for how she deals with everything in such a funny way. So it's very relatable.
And I'm sorry, she's literally the best character. And you couldn't have paid me to say that when I was a kid.
And then I realized, I'm like, all four of the Wisteria women are literally the Sex and the City women because Gabby is so Samantha. Like, fun, flirty, sexy, like, a little outrageous.
I mean, and Charlotte is so Brie Vandekamp. It is four perfect parallels.
It is so much so so that like, this doesn't feel like new information or a breakthrough idea. Like I, we either had this conversation or it's just so obvious that it's like, well, duh.
No. Um, okay.
Like not you like clowning on my original thesis. No, it's original and it's brilliant.
And to take it a step further, like other four, like maybe, maybe this is actually a commentary on the fact that like showrunners can only put women in one of, women. Woman.
That time I did it. Women in one of four boxes.
Because also like girls, there's actually pretty even comparisons. Like obviously Lena Dunham is the Carrie in a Brooklyn sense.
But there's like Shoshana is the Charlotte. Okay.
It doesn't feel as perfect to me. Jessa is the.
Samantha. Samantha.
Yes. And then I guess Miranda is the Marnie.
It's not as perfect, but like it's these like four stereotypes of women. Are we only one of four? No.
See, I don't think that girls fits into this box at all. But there are like so many shows with four female leads and four distinct personalities.
I'd be curious to see if there are other like perfect matches. It's like type A, B, C, and D.
Although I can imagine that Mark Cherry was just like inspired by Sex and the City. Like as a showrunner himself, why wouldn't he be? Yeah, and I do think most women can really identify as one, if not like a fusion of two.
Yeah. Who do you think you are?

I think I'm a fusion of two.

Yeah.

I'm definitely like Lynette with a sprinkle of Gabby.

So I'm Lynette with a sprinkle of Brie.

Brie.

And when it comes to Sex and the City,

I can't lie.

Like I don't relate to any of those bitches. I would say by that same logic,

I'm a Miranda with a sprinkle of Samantha

because I'm like funny and outrageous,

but it's not a perfect fit for me. No, but yeah, it would be the same thing.
Miranda with a sprinkle of Samantha because I'm like funny and outrageous but it's not a perfect fit for me no but yeah it would be the same thing Miranda with a sprinkle of Charlotte yeah yeah yeah yeah I just feel like when Miranda's just she's I don't know why you just don't want to claim her of course that that's the whole thesis that's how the Miranda Miranda thesis got started claim Lynette is what I mean. Yeah of course because like seriously they did Miranda absolutely no justice in those first couple of seasons with her hair her outfit and then like some of her choices it was just of course nobody would immediately be like yeah I want to be that one like she had a buzz cut she was wearing like overalls and she just like she seriously looked horrible while all the other women were so fabulous like above and beyond fabulous It's like they lost their budget for a stylist when it came to Miranda.
But Miranda wouldn't have a stylist. Correct.
She may not be styled. No.
You can't put Miranda in a box. Though we just did.
That's what I did. I watched so much Desperate Housewives.
Ben is obsessed with rewatching it. Honestly, it's such a good show.
It's like one thing we can really agree on. So I pretty much wrote it.
Oh, I went to Times Square and I saw our billboard. Jax and I are on a huge billboard in Times Square.
We haven't even talked about it. I know on 44th and 7th.
And it's so funny because we've both posted about it on social media so much. And one thing we've like kind of majorly left out of this big story is like right after our billboard is a billboard for the good guys.
We like did it together. Yeah, like they helped us and like it rotates between us and you would never know that from our content.
Social media, yeah. So we also saw the good guys billboard.
Also saw the good guys billboard. Right.
Very cool. It's huge.
I wish you could see it, Jackie. I don't know how big the building is.
It must be like 30 stories. It's insane.
That's insane. If you guys are in Times Square, like please take a picture and send a picture because that's something that will never not be the coolest thing to me like i don't care how many but we've had two so far but i don't care how many billboards we have in this world like i you will always catch me posting an emotional reel about it a thousand percent like i will never get over the coolness it's so cool so that's what i did i don't think i did anything else like worth recapping especially we have such a big recap coming up with the Grammys.
That was my whole day yesterday. I sat at like 6 to watch Red Carpet, and by the time it was 11.30, I still hadn't even seen Song of the Year, and I actually got angry and turned it off.
Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. It was very much, you know, if you were taking my blood pressure and emotional roller coaster, because it was so strong to start, And I always feel like the Grammys, it's like they have all these big ideas of collaborations and performers and it just kind of does nothing.
But I felt like everyone who performed like really proved themselves last night. It's like why for the best new artist, that whole medley was.
Oh, I love that. And it just was like, who could possibly win this category? Anyone could win and it would feel right.
It was a a really interesting grammys because i can't remember one in recent history where every category was a truly so stacked like best new artist song of the year record of the album of the year like there were seriously three or four in each category that could have won and there would be no contest for me you know yeah so it was really fun to be on like the edge of your seat and really not know who was going to win now I have my thoughts obviously on the winners not Taylor going home with seriously no awards and Billie Eilish yeah that doesn't mean as much to me it's not upsetting to you but like it doesn't feel right like birds of a feather and I think the album that it came off of like for Billie fans very high streamed it's insanely like successful and good like musically. Yeah.
And I will say something because I'm like extremely hard on Billie Eilish. I'm not like a big fan of hers.
That song. It's pargelicious.
It's so amazing. Yeah.
And that's what music does. Like it transcends everything because when that song comes on, I sorry.
Like, I want you to stay. Like it's really.
And I love you till the day that I die. Like, I'm sorry.
That song is fucking beautiful. Like try not crying.
Seriously. No, it's really beautiful.
That's why I'm saying, regardless of my feelings, I could put those aside and say like the girl was snubbed for something. She definitely was.
It's true. She got zero off of this album that like fans have said is her best.
Yeah. So.
I thought her performance left much to be desired. Well, she's not like big on like the bells and whistles, you know? No, and you don't have to be big on the bells and whistles if you're going to like show up with like one really strong category.
No, no, category. Like some people really just show up with their vocals.
Some people show up show up with their dancing Shakira you know I feel like she was lip-syncing the whole time but who gives a shake as her dancing was so amazing you have to lead really strong with one thing if you're going to be like sort of a stripped back type of performer and I didn't feel like she was leading with much for her it's that song yeah and it was kind of crazy because like Sabrina was right after and Sabrina was firing on all c all cylinders. 10 out of 10, wardrobe, set design, hair, vocals, choreography, tap dancing, feathers, like everything.
And then it was like Billie Eilish in a field in her basketball shorts. It was just like.
Yeah. It's good that Billie went first.
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You're welcome. First up, Grammys recap.
We will start with the big winners and probably branch off into performances from there. Sounds good? Yeah.
So first up was best pop vocal album, which was the stacked category that would perhaps set the tone for album of the year. Sabrina.
So many of the nominees were Billy was there, Taylor was there, Sabrina was there, Chappell was there.

Chappell was there.

And Sabrina won, which I was so happy.

And I think that it was the best pop vocal album

of the year.

Like, it so felt right.

It was right after her performance,

which was so amazing.

She showed the room what Brina's about,

what Brina's been about,

and what you all had been sleeping on in the industry.

Those people sitting in those boxes should be ashamed.

Yeah, and she already showed up to the awards as a Grammy winner, because she won, like, one of the non-televised ones, which was probably just such a good feeling for Espresso. So going in, no pressure, she looked, her red carpet look was by far my favorite.
Yeah. She has such a vision.
And of course she looked insane. The dress was pretty, everything worked, but it's so cohesive.
Everything she does, I mean, her red carpet dress really matched the vibes vibes of her performance and it overall matches her vibe of everything like this very feathery old Hollywood feminine like I love that she's so like specific with her aesthetic and she doesn't really stray from that while also not being boring like some people have like a specific look that they have and then you can predict what they're gonna wear on every carpet and while you can like predict the vibe that she's gonna put out what her hair and makeup will be like it is so exciting to see what she does every time and that's hard to nail so I thought she just looked absolutely radiant on the red carpet when she won I was so happy for her and yes like she stunted on every hoe in that room like that performance was really and you know these are songs she's performed a hundred times and she tried she like I like that she did something different while not really straying from the original form of the song I just I loved every minute of it the tap dancing like I was just blown away the burlesque feathered bejeweled like everything she's just such a star I love her love love love she did you could tell she was so surprised so yes of course her speech was very like pargy and professional and you know thanking thankful and and that was it I thought it was a really great night for her but then what was surprising to me was like I felt like her performance was 10 out of 10 and like you know usually the rest would kind of like fall off from there but I thought the rest of the performers were really strong like chaperone obviously you know she's not like my girl but great performance and that song is so good I agree the the uh theme of like clown rodeo I wasn't like 100% like understanding and like the more that's chap the more I see Lady Gaga the more Chapel Roan makes sense to me like these are like the artists you know Gaga's gonna gog like I'm not gonna question it she was being very so crazy like when she was she was being so crazy with bruno she was singing her song and i love that song and i love the two of them and i love lady gaga's music like she is so crazy and like stop trying to fight it stop trying to make sense and want her to act like a normal person like no she's a creative let her be and i feel that way about chapel room too like chapel's gonna chap I feel like we have stopped asking Lady Gaga to be normal like we get it now but we're sort of putting all those questions we once asked Lady Gaga we're putting them on to chap and you're right no she's making Chapel make sense to me where it's like just enjoy the song yeah the song is what it is like did I understand her red carpet look absolutely not no do I any of it? No. Am I no longer trying to? Yes.
Correct. So, but the thing is, I think that's why we like Sabrina so much.
Like we understand everything she does. And like, if that were us and we looked like her and we had her talents, like we would seriously do the same thing.
A thousand percent. So we see our, we see ourselves in Briner.
Yeah. We don't have to not ask hard questions.
Yeah, exactly. We don't have to hold back.
Everything's just sort of linear. It's all linear when it comes to Breener.
Next, pop duo group performance went to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars for Die With a Smile. This was actually a stacked category.
Us, Gracie Abrams and Taylor, Levi's Jeans, Beyonce and Post Malone, Charlie XCX, Billie Eilish and Ari was also nominated.. But this song is so beautiful.
Like, it's on another level of, like, musicality. Yeah.
And I thought I was, like, the only one who appreciated it. But I'm coming to learn that, like, the song has enormous global success and they just won a Grammy.
So, like, this hold that I thought I had on it is not a thing. No.
And one of my favorite Instagram accounts, Lizard P. Woods, posted a really interesting thing.
Statistic. Statistic.
It was all the songs that were nominated for song of the year she posted how many streams they've gotten on Spotify and Die With A Smile is number two from all those top songs Birds of a Feather is number one Die With A Smile is number two. Wow Birds of a Feather.
Yeah Good Luck Babe is number three Please Please Please is number four Our Bar song is number five Not Like Us Kendrick Lamar which swept in those categories is number six fortnight is number seven and Texas Hold'em is number eight wow I mean Taylor leading like her uh categories and nominations with fortnight like she also was for music video it just really doesn't make sense to me I actually don't think there's a worse song on TTPD like like I really don't like it well that's classic Taylor and also Taylor has never won song of the year record of the year and that oh yeah even though she's won album of the year more times than anyone else that's because the singles that she puts forth are bad and the worst on the album and she's more of an album girl than a song of the year girl I think like as we talk about Beyonce and like the album of the year, her finally getting it.

Like some people write fire songs and some people write fire albums.

That's actually a really good point.

And you can't be both.

And Taylor's kind of proof of that.

Even though I do find it shocking that like Blank Space wasn't song or record of the year that year.

That's like the only one of like Taylor's lead singles.

That is probably one of her best songs.

And also did the best.

Because when you think of like Shake It Off, even though Shake It Off also could have been like song of the year, honestly.

Now I would say so.

But I'll see have said so. This has been like a relatively new thing.
I would say since Red are the worst songs, the singles. It's just sort of like Taylor's.
Because previously like Love Story, You Belong With Me, those were the best off of Fearless. Yeah, yeah.
But it's like a thing about taylor and that's why people who don't spend time listening to taylor all they know is like the radio hits which are just like very kind of built for radio they're very strategic and that's why they are so popular but they're not her best songwriting and so they think that her her abilities are just shake it off like yeah and that's also why the fans can't agree on the best songs because we've all sort of gone on our own journeys in search of the best songs because she there are also just so many she doesn't put them forth yeah she's put them forth right like getaway car she never put that forth that was a mistake even cruel summer never put forth and only had its renaissance for the lover summer put itself forth it did anyways um then, next best pop solo performance went to Espresso Sabrina, which was non-televised. Best new artist, stacked.
And that medley, everyone performed. Everyone was so good.
Benson Boone, Sabrina, Dochi, Krungingbin. I didn't see that.
Yeah, that was like kind of the only part of the award ceremony I didn't understand in its entirety. Krungsy.
What was that? Like the band, the guy with the bangs and that band of people. Okay, that's what that was.
Okay. Yeah, that was confusing.
But that medley was so parchy. I don't even know what my favorite part was.
And it was very hard on Friday on Benson Boone. And he was amazing.
He was amazing. My favorite part was Shibuzi who was amazing.
Of course. And showed them all why he is Shibuzi.
And why I stay standing. But also Teddy Swims was amazing.
Okay. So to Shibuzi's point I want to say like you have been so right about Shibuzi since day one.
Like I just can tell also he's like a very kind soul. Like when he talks on interviews like his outfit was so fucking cute.
Like I just love him. I loved that song he played before.
to play bar song good news I added it to my liked songs last night like I you were you've been so right about Shibuzi from day one just good for you honestly for seeing that I know this is an original thought oh my god I love Teddy Swims and Ben thought it was Jelly Roll like classic I love Teddy Swims I love that song. And I know he's so sick of singing it.
Yeah. But it's amazing.
And you know what? No one's making music like that, which is why he stands out so much. I don't know if he, I don't think he should have won, you know, compared to like, it's also weird how like Chapel wasn't a part of the medley.
Neither was Breener. Right.
Neither was Doji. Oh yeah.
Yeah. But they all won other things individually.
And they were nominated like for big categories. That's why they had their own performances.
But Chapel won one, which was fair, you know, like a thousand percent. And you knew she was going to get on her soapbox about something.
I wasn't expecting health care, but yeah, pop off. That feels right.
Like people who have worked for you should have health care 1000 so go off chap go off chap with her notebook which was so jackie o coded of her no it was nice to see people like either don't write anything down which is fine or they come up with their phones which i fucking hate so sure get your leather bound notebook i love that Be prepared yeah she knew she was gonna win something yeah something that would have been yeah she was nominated for a lot then song of the year stacked category as we've said went to not like us by Kendrick Lamar and as did record of the year as did record of the year so I turned off after song of the year so I didn't see that he won both categories which considering the other songs were so strong of course I feel like this is a disappointment but I know that this song is like massive with people it's like a diss track and Drake and the lore and like it's a really good song in its category and so like it deserves to win obviously it was not my song or record of the year right so it's important to take yourself out of the category sometimes I feel as though so many of though so many of these songs, like we're so obviously the song or record of the year, whether or not they were mine. So it's like, it was one that I couldn't even see, but okay.
I don't necessarily, I don't take any umbrage with this. Was it my song of the year? No, but can I respect that it was a lot of people's song of the year and like how it entered so many different parts of culture? Yes, I can.
Also like the lore. I mean, like how unfortunate for Drake that like the diss track somebody wrote about you literally won Grammy for record of the year.
Like that's embarrassing. He wore a Canadian tuxedo, Kendrick Lamar.
And like, I admire his commitment to disliking his enemy. Like that is something that I find admirable.
And it's not something you see a lot in men. You know, it's kind of like a girly thing to do, to hate enemy and like hold a grudge so I really respect that I do in a profound way so I'm not mad it wasn't what I was expecting because I think I probably would have said Sabrina or um chap yeah or honestly especially seeing those streaming numbers Billie Eilish because one I don't know which one's which but one song of the year is about how the song is written like the musical perfection and production the production i think that's maybe song that's record that i think that's record okay and then the other one is about popularity what was success song of the year and i do think birds of a feather or espresso were the songs of the year but i'm like i'm not that not that mad about it.
I agree. And this is where like, while I found the weekend's like public tantrum to be really lame and embarrassing, I do understand how frustrating it must be for there to be like no criteria for these awards.
And like, there are all these rumors, you know, they say you have to sell X amount. They say you have to do this, but there really is no way of knowing what qualifies a song and what disqualifies a song so that frustration and lack of transparency what they were talking about like i i agree that's definitely annoying i don't know if it's enough to like boycott the affair but because for this like i don't necessarily understand it wasn't the most streamed song is that why they kept saying the 13 000 voting members i think so like they wanted us to know that's them being transparent okay i do feel like they vote and that's what it is they don't just like give it to people based on who's coming because everyone comes agreed but maybe those voting members like do feel swayed in one way or another like based on gender no i'm kidding based on a million different things based on josey yelling at them last year I don't know right well so when we get to album of the year i do want to talk about that next is album of the year and also must be said that country album of the year went to beyonce cowboy carter so then it was like very clear it's going to be between like her and sabrina sabrina because if you won one you would have to win the other and album also notable notable is that she won some i think one or two off-air grammys but charlie xcx did not pick up any grammys on tv last night did you major categories um no i haven't had a chance to yet and i'm so curious how it was because i've been really hard on her and i wanted to know like how she did i'll watch it i saw various clips.
And I know that there was like lots of underwear being thrown around.

I don't know that it was like, you know, for you.

I will watch it with an open mind.

Okay.

But album of the year.

Yes, this was kind of always the big category.

This was so stacked between Sabrina, Chap, Billie Eilish, Taylor, the Beatles.

Brat.

Brat, right. So, yes, it became increasingly clear over the night, over the course of the night that it was either gonna be Beyonce or Sabrina because they both won their, I don't know how you could have the best country album and then that album is nominated, you know what I mean? Or how Taylor could win when she didn't win best pop vocal against Sabrina.
So yes. So Sabrina kind of disqualified all the girls when she won that pop vocal and then and then Beyonce put herself in the race when she won.
And Beyonce's reaction to winning country album was so hysterical. I think she sat in her chair three seconds before she was not expecting to win.
And why did they stop like putting the camera on everybody's faces when they announced the winner? Do you know what I mean? They used to like have a camera in the face of every nominee. I love that.
They didn't do that. Okay, lame.
Yeah, they showed people, but I don't know. Not in an organized fashion.
Yeah, so. Her reaction was hysterical.
Blue Ivy was like, get the hell up. And you could tell she was really shocked.
I was shocked, I'm not going to lie, because it was a really, first of all, this is a country album that's been like very highly contested by the country community. Like she wasn't nominated for one CMA.
CMA. So that's really kind of shocking.
And then for it to go on and win album of the year was really shocking. Now, I feel this way about so many award shows that Beyonce is either attending, performing or just like a part of.
The way that other people, I think I've said this before, the way that other artists, other other the host who we have to talk about um the way they talk about Beyonce is so weird to me um like when Miley was giving the award to Bruno and Lady Gaga for a duo pop whatever and she opened the envelope and before she read it she was like I'm gonna say it's Beyonce even if it's not like this it it border everybody in the room respects Beyonce so much and I think that a couple of years ago they took it to a point that's almost now inappropriate where it's not like a reverence it's an obsession it's like idolatry and I feel like it does circle back to that like conspiracy theory that people were saying that people always like that's why the conspiracy theory became so popular because the way people talk about Beyonce is actually not normal like her her peers and maybe I'm a Miley apologist though I do feel like Miley actually genuinely loves her they are for sure friends they did collab like she's been talking about I just want to say she was talking about Beyonce like that before everyone was so just like but Trevor Noah Noah in the monologue standing in front of like the biggest artists in the world and just talking about how we like Beyonce like I think that a lot of people have so that it would have been weird if she didn't win album of the year because of like how he set it up in the beginning yeah no and it's like this is a special night for everyone involved including Beyonce but also like the first time artists nominated people from different genres and I just feel like it so many times these award shows feel like Beyonce's bat mitzvah not not and by the way not because of anything Beyonce does because of the way people act around her and it actually feels like not a level playing field yeah I agree but I think you could say the same thing about Taylor sometimes it gets like that's Taylor's bat mitzvah yeah but I think a lot of times it feels like Taylor's bat mitzvah because she acts like it's her bat mitzvah and she's like dancing and stuff like not because everyone everyone around her is acting that way. Do you know what I mean? I think because she's sort of the main character of her own life and she's just always having fun.
She caught the jacket. Like that sort of attention, like just she like, it kind of follows her around.
Whereas I feel like everybody acts really weird around Beyonce. It's true.
Beyonce's just sitting there. Like she's just sitting there like trying to enjoy her night with her family.
I actually think she doesn't like it. It's weird.
And it's like it's so much attention when like even in that moment the attention should have been on someone else. Like if she wins obviously like the attention is on Beyonce.
But people are just like always like Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars won and it was like a Beyonce thing. I'm sure Beyonce was actually horrified.
Yeah. It was weird.
And no shade to Miley. Like I love Miley.
I just think it's indicative of like people always are acting so weird. I don't know.
I feel like if she really like hated it so much, like it would get out there and people wouldn't do it. And now I do think about the theory like that people are just not Miley.
Miley is separate case, but like people do that to make themselves as safe. Now, the Beyonce thing also, now it's obviously not her problem, but it is really crazy that she showed up with her husband and I guess as like a community we're just like moving past the me too movement like we just are done with that because there was a time like that if a man who was accused of trigger warning raping a 13 year old showed up to an award show nobody would be dancing with him him.
Nobody would be high fiving him. Like it was, it's probably one of the most egregious allegations I've ever heard.
And it's fairly new. So I have a hard time like seriously looking at him.
It's so crazy to me. And everyone, it's like totally normal.
And this is like, you know, with the P. Diddy stuff all coming out, like I would think people would be like a little bit more yeah well it's full of like unscrupled people who until like jay-z is finished like they are still gonna like hobnob and hobnob and kiss ass to whoever they think like that's just who these people are so trying to find like you know your morality in the crowd like it's not gonna happen that's i know it was just very jarring honestly he's so jarring Thanks.
Enjoy the pretty jarring to see like I can't it's like it's literally a jump scare yeah and I think you said on Friday that like people wouldn't no longer like be intimidated by Jay-Z into like doing what he like last year when he was like how is my wife never won album of the year she's the most awarded woman that makes no sense and I was like I think she'll win this year like because of that and you said no like Jay-Z doesn't have that power anymore like I think he still very much does because Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year no it wasn't and does I imagine it hits different to win the award like after the year before like your husband like threw a tantrum about it it's like when Leonardo DiCaprio won the Oscar for Revenant and it's like no he deserved it for Titanic yes exactly and there's so much like lore around it he probably didn't even want it at this point it's like embarrassing you know like yeah no and to get it for like the thing that you actually don't really deserve it for it's like but like lore around it. He probably didn't even want it at this point.
It's like embarrassing, you know? Yeah, no, and to get it for like the thing

that you actually don't really deserve it for.

It's like, but you, and you were worthy other times.

It's just like.

Many times.

I don't know.

I mean, it's still nice to just get.

And I do think the Oscars are also cumulative.

Like it's about a person's like body of work.

I think we've like learned that on this show before.

But, which also doesn't make sense when they give it to someone random who's in one thing one time and we never hear about them again but sure this was not the time to win album of the year no I think the Leonardo DiCaprio comparison is a perfect one because these are two people who like got to a point in their careers and we're all looking around being like how how have they been stumped for album of the year so many times and then then they get it and it's like, well, good. They deserve to have that award in their artillery, but not for this particular work.
Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year. When you think about albums as a whole body of work that like took the culture by storm, there were just others that did it bigger and better.
You could see it in the streams. Even Brat got more streams than Cowboy Carter.

Yeah.

And the thing is, like, even though I didn't think Brat should win, I could have made an argument for most of the nominees, not the Beatles.

Yeah.

But I could have made an argument for, like, different albums to have won.

And I don't have an argument for Cowboy Carter.

Yeah.

And I just want to say, it's probably the most I've listened to any Beyonce album because

I love country music. So it's not that I don't think it was good.
I'm just talking about how it was perceived and how it was received by everyone. Right.
And just because she's never won it before. It would be like if everyone was up in arms that Taylor never won Song of the Year.
So she won Song of the Year for Fortnite. Like that was just not the Song of the Year.
And it wouldn't be deserving of it. And you want to correct an old error, don't now err someone else because someone else in this category

in a few years will never have won album in the year.

It's like, oh, well, they should have won that year.

Exactly.

It's so true.

Because if they didn't give it to Beck,

Beyonce would have it.

Right.

And why did they give it to Beck?

Because he was like the single soul songwriter.

That was it.

It was like every song was like written,

produced, everything by Beck, Beck, Beck, Beck, Beck.

And then you look at Beyonce's album

and it's like a million people.

Who cares? I don't care how many people. Like, was it the best album? the best album? Was it the best album? Yeah.
I want to talk about Trevor Noah and how it's time to retire like from this particular line of work. He was so unfunny and so unnecessary because every time he showed up, he was just introducing an introducer.
Yeah. So I really felt like he was so unnecessary, like just being there.
His jokes were not funny at all. He didn't even like try to push the envelope in any way.
Was he even making jokes? I didn't hear jokes. It was just like a lot of like telethon.
Which by the way, I think if you were in the room, if it was like an in-person event, his like pushiness with the telethon and the QR code, like that's funny and that's what you're hired for. But the people in the are one 80th of the people watching.
Like you're not performing for the people in the arena. You're performing for the people at home.
And it was just not translating at all. And I don't know if we're all just collectively like we the bar has been raised in a significant way by Nikki Glaser, like or or he was just particularly awful.
But he was really not entertaining in any way. Yes.
But also something about the golden globes.

Like I feel like the people in the room need to be roasted.

Yeah.

I don't feel that way about the Grammys.

I don't think it needs to be a roast.

Like these are like me neither. So I didn't need that sort of energy,

but like there are so many funny,

like just things to say,

harmless jokes to be made.

No,

you can be funny and poke fun without roasting a group of people. I agree.
that's not the vibe. Like Golden Globes, it's so hoity-toity.
That's why they love to poke fun at like Hollywood elite. Grammys is like a lot of real people from all different walks of life, all different genres.
It doesn't need to be, I completely agree. Speaking of, I want to talk about Dochi, whom I was a little familiar with from TikTok, but I don't listen to a lot of rap music, but I know that she's like the up and coming, like big hot thing.
So when it came time for her to win her award, I had a pretty good feeling that she was gonna win. And I was so pleasantly surprised by her.
I didn't know what to expect. So when she came up and brought her mom, which I thought was so sweet, and she was just talking about how she loves Tampa, her hometown, and how she gives all the credit to her sobriety.
She was just not what I was expecting. I thought she was so lovely.
And then her performance, I was actually really sat for because I was like, oh, she's got a little something going on. And it was so different.
I don't know what I was expecting, but everyone in the school uniforms, through the choreography, I really loved it. I thought she was fabulous.
I loved it too. I didn't know who she was until I read her name on Friday that she was going to be one of the performers.
And I was very impressed. Very impressed.
I thought it was a great performance. Yeah, and she just seems like she's a really good head on her shoulders.
I liked her speech too. I liked a lot of the speeches actually.
They were very professional, like very thankful, stayed for the most part on message. Yeah, her message being like, you know, because she clearly got to where she is like just by sheer talent right being discovered in tampa which like isn't like a hub of but she was saying no like it really is like such an artistic town record labels come down she took that opportunity to like lift up her community and i found that really admirable i don't think a lot of people would do that so i just like like her now.
Yeah, I agree. She gave a good impression.
Other performances worth discussing. Shakira was kind of amazing.
Like I like that song and she's such a good dancer. And it's like kind of, it's like her shtick, her party trick that doesn't get old.
The belly dancing? It is really crazy that she could roll her belly like that. No, yeah.

And it's like,

can you learn to do that or is that just something you're born with?

I think it's a little bit of both.

It's definitely a God-giver skill.

It's something you can hone.

Maybe it's like singing.

Like you definitely have the natural talent,

but you can perfect it.

Gaga and Bruno sang a cover.

For what purpose?

It wasn't a tribute.

For California.

Oh, right.

California.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

Yeah. Got it.
Okay. Anyone else? Definitely.
a tribute for California oh right California yeah I forgot about that yeah got it okay anyone else definitely uh red carpet looks that I loved Kelsey Ballerini I thought she looked so pargy she always she never looks bad but like I feel like she stepped it up a notch like with her hair her glam the jacket I really loved it Sabrina was one of my favorites Taylor's look it was very Taylor like not entirely perfect perfect like no but she looked perfect her hair was like completely like in her makeup it was much better than last year but just like not like I just feel like people always just want to do like a little bit more with her but high fashion it was cute I thought it was cute I don't I think she knew it wasn't gonna be like her some nights she goes and it's like she knows she's gonna win every single award folklore was her year midnights was here i think she knew like a because other categories were so stacked and b like ttbd was amazing but i don't think it had the cultural impact that some of her previous albums had so i think she really went for fun and her dress was like that of a girl who was there for fun i thought the red was a really cute to Travi and the Super Bowl. And the T on her thigh was so cute.
I actually think that if she swapped this year's look and last year's look, it might have made a little more sense. Because this red look was like very Travi, but also Midnight's like with the sparkles.
Yeah. And then this year she would be going like in tribute.
Now I know she's always forward thinking and showing us what's next. But like this was the year of TTPD.
And this is when I would have wanted to see her in that outfit and it would have made sense to me yeah i think in the future we will look at the year she wore the ttpd outfit and just assume it was the year she was nominated for ttpd and it was the year she announced ttpd and then also were you getting any like subliminal messages from this outfit she obviously wore the t i was mitten mine on my upper thigh blah blah blah yeah uh which was actually getting cute i like that as a bit of like i like that as a trend yeah like a thigh chain thigh i never heard of it but i like it we're not getting any reputation vibes no red is not right like reputation's like i guess like black and red there was something Like reading rep. Oh, okay.
Got it. Love that.
Reading rep.

Like the blood.

By the way.

The stones. like black and red but it's like a dark like reading rep oh okay got it love that reading rep like the blood like by the way the stones on the chain like blood like very rep oh like blood drops right no and maybe i saw people saying it's rep but everybody's just like looking for what they want to see you know you're creating the theory that you wish to see in the world yeah um there was also a lot of girlies there like with beef and I was very interested to see how like the Olivia Rodrigo of it all would play out now let me say this I thought Olivia Rodrigo looked the best she's ever looked something about I don't know she didn't do anything different and the address wasn't so like crazy but she's very mature and remember I was saying she needs to chop her hair because it's giving like eighth grade long hair.
She was able to circumvent that eighth grade look last night,

even though she kept her long hair.

I thought she looked like absolutely radiant.

I loved the dress.

I thought so too.

She looked truly beautiful.

And it was just like,

it must've been hard for her to like walk in when it's like,

you know,

Taylor and Sabrina,

they're at their table,

Jack Antonoff,

he, he,

Gracie Abrams,

Margaret Quayley.

It's like their girl gang crew.

And she has beef with Taylor and she has beef with Briner.

Yes. But I do feel like then, so on that side, she's very close with chapel roan who i could see chapel um not even though there was some oh chapel roan's dancer was taylor swift's dancer cam sanders chapel roan and taylor swift having beef anyone else not having beef i could see chapel roan hating taylor because chapel roan is like the communist pop star and Taylor Swift is like the capitalist pop star.

Like literally one is Karl Marx and one is Winston Churchill.

Like they just they wouldn't see eye to eye on anything.

Yeah, I could just see her being about that.

And then don't forget like Billie Eilish is around her mouth.

So I actually feel like Olivia Rodrigo might have some some allies in the audience.

Enemies of her enemies are her friends. Charlie XCX.lie gabriette i saw enough to know gabriette was there a lot of people have run their mouths about taylor it's true it's kind of like a thing people do for fun so olivia rodrigo could find a port in that storm if she wanted to i'm just saying like maybe there were more people that she felt comfortable with and she brought her man so she was okay and i saw a video of um like in the background you could see Olivia going up to Sabrina and giving her a hug which I found to be so crazy like if I was Sabrina I'd be like get off me 100% like in that situation Sabrina will never forgive and she shouldn't because she wants to forgive you and she wants to forget you yeah no she was seriously burned that's like Kim forgiving Taylor like nobody asked Taylor has to forgive you right right Kim's like I'm over it are we missing anything else to cover there was one thing that I was just like we had to talk about I feel like it had to do with tailored but it's evaded me so I think we can move on from the Grammys 2025 in the book.

I will say I would give the first like 50% of the Grammys like a true 10 out of 10.

I was enjoying every minute.

Although I don't think they did a good job of like getting people's reactions in the crowd.

Like we got very little like footage of just like random things.

But the second half was truly dreadful.

Like I think they need to be punished for abusing our time like that.

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They're like, okay, you guys always go over. It's like, we'll give you four and a half hours.
And it's a telethon. I think it's better when it's like, you're feeling rushed towards the end.
But like, leave us wanting more. Yes.
They did not do that. No.
Our next story actually will be a little bit of grammys adjacent news because beyonce has announced her cowboy carter tour so this was the news that beyonce was going to announce but then she postponed the announcement of the announcement fires and the announcement is that she is going on a 2025 cowboy carter tour so she the announcement has been announced yes she confirmed in an Instagram

post on her Instagram after the Grammys that she'll be heading out on tour to LA Chicago London New York Paris DC Atlanta Las Vegas and Houston so this seems like a small tour no or am I missing something no it's definitely a small tour I think that she just finished Renaissance like maybe she and also I think comparatively Cowboy Carter is not her biggest album so it wouldn't garner the biggest tour yeah but still she's Beyonce like she's going to what 10 major cities so maybe she's just tired like yeah I don't know or maybe she I feel like she might be doing it in like a what kind of venues we don't know or she'll do more or she'll do more like you announce a little bit at a time right I know I'm like I'm I'm here for it, but we're just so used to like a global world tour. And like this seems very intentional.
And I just want to say depending on the time I feel like I want to go. Yeah.
I'm sure I took a lot of shit about everything, but I happen to really like Cowboy Carter, the album. Yeah.
No, like it's the most I've listened to a particular. Actually, that's not true,, cause I've listened to it.
No, but even TTPD,

like you love that album,

it was your whole year,

you've not once said it was snubbed.

No,

I don't think it was snubbed,

I think that,

I love her,

and it was the album

I probably listened to the most,

but if I were to say

which album really deserved it

in terms of streams

and overall cultural impact,

it would have been short and sweet.

Yeah,

so I'm just saying,

like you can be like non-biased, even though you're favorite. Yes, definitely I think I'm especially with this year in particular because like obviously I always want Taylor to win some years I think she like it's required that she wins and some years not so much and I didn't think this was a year and that's a knock I think TTPD is seriously the best album of all time I fucking love it yeah comparatively to other works and their impact I don't know yeah so anyways beyonce is going on tour cowboy carter that was the announcement that she was waiting to announce i really liked the artwork i'm into the bleached eyebrows uh well i will always be into bleached eyebrows because i feel seen did you see beyonce's underwire coming out of her i did i'm looking at this picture i i just assumed it was like part of the dress.
But no, like she's seriously being stabbed by her own dress.

I mean, we've all been there wearing our bras to fucking filth so much so that the material gives out and the underwire pops out and you like get a knife in your boob. And you're like, what is that? Oh, it's an actual needle poking into your rest.
Yeah, it didn't come up when she was on stage. Right.
I'm seeing it like backstage. age.
I saw it when she was sitting. No, no.
That moment

that went viral when she won Country

Album of the Year and she's like completely shocked literally the underwire in between her boobs both of them is popping out oh that's so interesting because right under it is like a little uh bow of sorts like a little embellishment so I was like maybe it's like the strings on top of the bow like I would have just assumed it was a style choice until you said that I think Beyonce was very Like the way, even because her reaction, I think she got there maybe like a little late and she was just like flustered. She was a little all over the place when she won country album.
She was late because Trevor Noah said she can arrive whenever she wants. Right.
Her underwire was popping out. Like I think she was just like a little frazzled.
Got it. Okay.
Well, ow. The funniest is Blue Ivy's face.
She's like, okay girl, get up. You've won a million Grammys before.
Why are why are you being dramatic like i feel like she wasn't listening because she was just like sitting down she was flustered too she got there three seconds before they said her name like she almost missed it she probably didn't think she was gonna win i don't even know she knew it was her award yeah she was so flustered and blue ivy's like girl get up like yeah on tv but because she was the only country award nominated from album of the year, she therefore already won country album of the year now. Correct.
That's a really good point. The one other note I needed to make about the Grammys is that Architect by Kacey Musgraves won country song of the year.
And so for me, that was everything as it was the country song of the year to me. I agree.
And it's the Grammys 13,000 voting members respecting parginess. I was really surprised at Kacey Musgraves' outfit because she's such like a red carpet sly.
Like she always crushes it. And for her to show up in a tank top, I was really surprised.
Oh, yeah. Like not my favorite either.
And I don't care if the tank tops are off Lauren. Like ugly's ugly.
Yeah. Not my favorite.
And she always, she always kills it with like the country twang. Like it's, it's never like overtly like campy.
It's always got a little country in it. She always kills it.
Yeah. But the deeper well aesthetic is very stripped back.
I'm shocked she wasn't wearing the, you know, the thing in her hair, the bushka. Yeah.
I found a deeper wellBruill. I liked what Lainey Wilson was wearing, just like that black tux suit with her hat.
Lainey Wilson, I just want to say, is growing on me. By the way, I love her.
And just to be clear, I have always loved her. That doesn't mean you can't be critical of like people you love winning awards that you don't think that they deserve.
Yeah. I mean, when she was in, she was amazing in Yellowstone.
Her music is so good. She performs, she's never performed badly.
Her tribute last night, like she was amazing. What's just surprising to me is like, why does Lainey Wilson get tapped for that tribute? Like she's always just the person in country.
She was nominated. So they were obviously looking for like a woman in country.
So it was what her or Casey Musgraves. Right.
I'm just, what's surprising about her is that like she gets all these huge opportunities for me like she seems like she's been around five minutes like Kelsey Ballerini's there like you could right she could do something so I'm just like why is it always her but taking that out of the equation like she was saying she was so good last night and like I think she really showed up for country music and she is very authentically country and like yeah I'm gonna start my Lainey Wilson like re-education of because. Grease and hang tight honey.
Yeah. No, even four by four by you.
I actually hate that song. I don't love the song, but every time they play a clip of it, like because she's always nominated for it, I'm like, that's Parchi.
Okay. She's really talented.
I listened to the two songs you told me to. Did you like them? They weren't enough to get me on the train.
But I think I will listen to her album. Because after CMA's I listened to Cody Johnson like I said I would.
And I had heretofore been asleep on Cody Johnson. She's putting in the work.
Cody Johnson is really good. Really good.
Yeah. Okay.
Now to our next story. Actually a little more Grammys adjacent news because this was the craziest thing that happened in the entire night.
Khloe Kardashian blasts 2025 reporters for cutting babyface interviews short to talk to Chapel Roan. I am so glad we're talking about this because I meant to bring it up.
And we need to name shame and blame these two abhorrent, disrespectful, shameful journalists who work for the Associated Press. Yeah.
So two women who work for the Associated Press were doing red carpet interviews. They were talking to Babyface doing an interview with him.
And one of them saw Chapel Roan passing by and literally like screams Chapel as Babyface is talking and brings her over. And he was like, oh, OK.
And starts walking by. And they're like, yeah, sorry.
And yeah. And he was like, oh, OK, by and they're like yeah sorry and yeah and he was just like oh okay yeah i was so horrified when i saw that it's such a bad look for literally everyone involved and i don't think chapel knew exactly that like you know i don't think actually this was no mark on chapel for me holy shit like i had such a visceral't know why.
Maybe it's because, you know, you always have like a soft spot for older people. And by the way, as somebody who's done red carpet, like it's awkward.
You'll take an interview and then somebody like better passes by and you like kind of need to wrap up. So it's an art wrapping up while someone's talking about without being disrespectful and then grabbing the person you really want to talk to.
And if you're not skilled at that, you should not be hosting the Grammys red carpet for Associated Press. No, and for the Associated Press, I do think their listeners and viewers, whichever ones they have, like would be more interested in hearing from Babyface, like know where you're working.
They probably don't even know Chapel Rhone. And like, you probably thought, oh, how could I miss this moment with Chapel Rhone? Like best new artist, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like in the grand grand scheme of things like whatever bullshit interview you had with Chapel Rhone like was no big moment but you snubbing baby face was so Khloe Kardashian actually put to words I think how a lot of people were thinking the video went so viral and I love to see Khloe standing up we know that they're like friendly I love to see her standing up for her friend like it made me so upset and I don't even know like baby face music I'm not like a fan I thought it was so disgusting well I think to do this to anyone for anyone would just be so rude so it doesn't even matter who it's for and who it's to like there's no person that's more interesting to talk to that you would snub one person then to come to find out that someone who's been in this industry for so many years has contributed so much to music it It's not just a random person. No.
And the girl at the end of the stream, I don't know if you saw, she like apologized. It must have been going viral as their stream.
And then she like got wind of it. And she gave like such a blanket shit apology.
Like I can't even tell you like how visceral of a reaction I had to this and how much I thought her apology was a piece of shit. And I I literally hate her no like everyone is so mad at this person like she was better off having a boring babyface interview that nobody talked about than this chap like yeah anyways Khloe Kardashian posted this is so disrespectful how babyface was treated in this interview babyface has had such a significant impact on the music industry in so many ways it is maddening to see a legend not get the respect and attention they deserve he is a pioneer and deserves so much better than this with decades of groundbreaking work as a songwriter producer and performer he shaped the sound of multiple generations i love you baby face and i'm a forever fan and thankful for all that you have blessed us with by the way what a class act you are p.s big or small old or new you don't treat people like this there's a way to handle this love chloe and this was wrong in my opinion no i love chloe she's been going off a lot recently she has she's been doing a lot of text-based stories i maybe it's the podcaster in her this is so a thing a podcaster does it's an amazing point i love that like another famous person is sort of using their own celebrity to stand up for and you're right he acted with such grace he didn't act you know miffed at all I was so upset watching this like I can't even explain it was so disgraceful honestly I hate it I hope this girl gets fired honestly like I'm sorry I know that's terrible to say it was horrible it's such a bad look for the Associated Press yeah it's it's just a bad judgment call.
You know? I just felt, like, I watched it and something in me, like, seriously broke. I was so upset.
You and Chloe. I know that sounds dramatic, but it's right, like, no matter who it is, like, you treat an older person with respect.
And you're just, like, two young girls, like, trying to be cool with Chapel Road. And it's like, you're so disrespectful.
Never mind that the person in front of you was like a living legend right it was just it bothered me so fucking much no and like this doesn't happen even though i'm sure things like this happen all the time like there are ways that this goes down like i mean also they have like people who can hold the person like you know e-news does this all day every day they don't have people disrespecting people even when when someone more interesting walks by, like there is a way to do this. And this was just so wrong.
Amateur. Wait.
Also, can we talk about Wells Adams? You can because I didn't get to watch it. I was really surprised.
I was like when Zuri Hall was, you know, doing her thing and she crushes it. And then I saw them like, I don't know why this holiday holiday uh award season e news has decided to like give kelty the shaft where she doesn't interview

any celebrities even though like she's the most like highly trained entertainment journalist in

hollywood she gets they threw her at the top of the carpet at the last couple of award shows

talking about fashion with zanna roberts rossi like somebody at at e is mad at her so like oh

who's the other person because they usually have the big stage missouri and then like a satellite

interviewer it's been heather so i wonder who it is they cut to wells her. So I'm like, oh, who's the other person? Because they usually have the big stage with Zuri and then like a satellite interviewer.
It's been Heather. So I'm like, oh, I wonder who it is.
They cut to Wells from The Bachelor and color me shocked wearing the weirdest outfit I've ever seen in my life. I have to say, like, no shade.
I happen to really like Wells. Such a nice guy.
Happy for him to have gotten that opportunity. Poor choice on E's part.
Like, this is a Grammys. Yeah.
I'm shocked. Why are they still doing this? I felt like they went back to entertainment journalism.
Where's Justin Sylvester? I don't know. Always a good question.
I mean, when you think of the talent they've let go, of course, Morgan Stewart. Like, Carissa, true true professional.
Where the hell was Justin Sylvester? So who was doing all the celebrity interviews? Zuri? Zuri and Wells. That's so interesting.
No, Jackie was so weird. Maybe he's trying to be the next Ryan Seacrest.
He does host on the show on The Bachelor. I'm just saying this is definitely a big next step, but maybe that's where he's trying to go.
Notino Shade. Lovely man.
Yeah. Surprising.
Extremely. Next up.
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You're welcome. Our next story, major update in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively case.
Oh, what now? His website dropped. Oh, right, right.
So Justin Baldoni's website that he had said was coming has dropped. It is called thelawsuitinfo.com.
And in it is everything, every text. I'm surprised it's not IhateBlakeLively.com.
Every text, email, exchange with the studio with Blake throughout the the filming of this movie from the time he got the book rights from colleen hoover and the tide had already turned pretty completely against blake but this is really the nail in the coffin people are like cherry picking text messages that from her that are really cringe and also just paint a different sort of picture than what we had gleaned from the New York Times. And he puts so much out there that I think like whatever your theory is, like some people think like Blake had a crush on him and he was unrequited.
You can find like a text or an email on this website to substantiate whatever your theory is. Yes.
And I have not read through everything yet, though I plan to because I'm so confounded and confused by this whole thing that like I can't really have a take on it until I can wrap my head around as much information as is available. However, like I'm getting ready to eat my words.
You are? I am. I think that my initial assessment of Justin is still fair, which is like that's not my kind of guy like, like cringe.
But I think that, and it's funny because we were always onto Blake and Ryan until this. And maybe because everyone was hating them, it just made us want to defend them.
But from what I'm seeing, these texts and everything portray, it's like, they did this man so dirty. I'm not going to say that until I read it all because right now I feel like I'm just being swayed by other people's takes.
So I want to come to my own conclusion. But I'm just letting you guys know, like, I'm warm enough to say if I was wrong about this.
Yeah, the thing is, is that I trust my gut here. Like, I feel like, you're right, we've never been, like, huge Blake Lively or Ryan Reynolds fans.
And I think there's definitely, like, weirdness abound with them. And I think that my gut on Justin Baldoni is and was 100% right and I think that a lot of the theories that we're seeing in the public opinion being swayed is one like because this is like an issue that only women are discussing like women are in love with Justin Baldoni and like they're they refuse to see him in any other light other than like male feminist king and two I'm sorry I have no And maybe you guys are going to be like, Claudia, you're just saying this because everybody disagrees with you.
And maybe. But I have a hard time believing that like this is somebody who has been proven to have astroturfed, right, to have paid for positive campaign.
I have never seen because I was somebody I was just looking at Amanda from Not Skinny, But Not Fat story because there have been a couple of podcasters who have been like very vocally anti-Justin Nick and Natalie Vile um not skinny but not fat and everybody sort of like stopped talking about it so people are like well they were wrong they're stopped talking about it if you guys knew the amount of hate I fucking got literally like cancellation level for talking about Justin Baldoni Amanda Hirsch was someone was like are you gonna eat your words talking about she was like no I'm not talking about anymore because much hate. Natalie from Vile Files DMed me.
She was like, are you getting so much hate? I'm like, yes. So you're telling me this is a person who has proven astroturfed? Like you're telling me he doesn't have like money out there right now getting.
There's so many bots involved. I'm just saying.
Like I know you guys are going to be a clutter. You're just saying that.
Like I'm just saying. And so I'm seriously not getting involved.
Like you guys know how I feel. I don't think this is a good person.
I don't. Okay.
I think that's fair. And I'm not saying like, I feel like with this, I find myself like being, I am being swayed by.
Easily swayed. The turfers and the bots.
And that's because I just don't really have a stake in it. So I can't like stick up for one person because I don't know these people from Adam and I was never a fan of any of them in a strong way to begin with.
So that's why I'll read this and then decide. But it's looking.
No, and I'm sorry. Oh my God.
I saw this thing about the vile files. And just to be clear, like I have no skin in the game with the vile files, but people are like, well, Mint Mobile is one of their sponsors.
And Ryan Reynolds is an investor and that's like his company. Now I can tell you guys%.
Like, perfect example. Skims is one of our biggest sponsors.
And we talk about Kim all the time. Sometimes, you know, we agree with her.
Sometimes we don't. Sometimes we say she was wrong.
That does not affect your sponsors whatsoever. You can say a sponsor would literally never tell you not to say something.
No, that's really so crazy. That's when people, like, really get carried away.
And they don't understand. Sometimes the industry is so nefarious and there's all these things that go on behind the scenes and you couldn't even fathom it.
And then other times it's like you're assigning all this credit to something that isn't even a factor in someone's decision. So I'm just saying these texts and the fact that he has all these texts and he is sharing everything from soup to nuts.
This man is trying to his name like and he will do anything and spend whatever because if he does not come back from

this he has nothing the two of them like are fine we'll survive i actually maybe i'm biased but i

think that like the concept of setting up a website for public consumption like and his obsession with

getting people to like agree with him like i actually think it's weird and creepy and maybe

i'm biased because i think he's weird and creepy but i think this whole thing of like setting up

a website, releasing your voicemails, your voice memos, like,

Thank you. to like agree with him like I actually think it's weird and creepy and maybe I'm biased because I think he's weird and creepy but I think this whole thing of like setting up a website releasing your voicemails your voice memos like you're trying a little too hard like what are you hiding from sorry oh I disagree I feel like if you have been like so thoroughly um slandered and like you have nothing else like this what would he ever do again he this and and he say he was so wrong like just operate under the premise that he's so wronged like would you not do everything that you could to clear your name no i guess i would and it's not just a matter of like really hard it's not just a matter of like agree to disagree we'll go our separate ways and like we just all don't like each other and i'm gonna take the high road like there's no higher allegations because he has nowhere else to go he doesn't have an agent he doesn't have his podcast and then there are things to me that still don't add up like why did everyone in the cast take Blake Lively's side why did Colleen Hoover take her side why when she finally released her lawsuit why did everyone finally speak up for her like that always is a little bit weird to me um

the astroturfing like why did that campaign happen when nothing had happened yet well it seemed like he sort of like started this but then it seems like they were trying to take his movie from him but then I also have a hard time like caring so much about a movie yeah Yeah. So I hear you.
I think it's fair to question, of course. And also, I think it's so easy for Justin Baldoni to be like big hero, big hero when nobody's responded to him in a legal or public way.
Well, I think for you, yes, like you are waiting for Blake to respond and you're going to like wait to call it until you see everything that's out there. he's saying is like this is every this is what happened right right now he's saying everything's out there now yeah no I get it I just I just I seriously cannot be swayed by this man yeah well so that's just the jury is out for me now now I have have to review the evidence.
It's good to have a diverse echo. It's good not to be in an echo chamber.
Diverse opinions here on the show. Yeah, but I also feel myself being like really wishy-washy about this because I just.
Don't care. I'm so confused.
Like, yeah, and I'm just confused. And then like all this stuff that happened on set, that's what I guess I'll have to read about now.
But like then she sends these texts. It's like, talks like that? So anyways this is the text that's gone super viral.
Yeah. She said I can send you my pass at the roof.
Or just read with you when we get together next week. Let me know what you prefer.
If you knew me in person longer. You'd have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting would play.
It's my love language. Spicy and playfully bold.
Never with teeth. And him serving it back to her is just as.
It it's blocked out you don't usually see both the man and the woman with spicy and humor anyway i can act it out for you next week to make sure it comes through or yeah that's what i want you to act it out for me or i can send now let me know what you prefer when when colleen hoover was sitting in her house 10 years ago writing this rooftop scene did she ever think that it would be the end of multiple people's careers? No, and like so hotly contested. Like, no, I don't think she did.
And now Colleen Hoover is like being dragged. Yeah, so she deactivated all of her social media.
There's like something going on with her son. Like she has a couple of sons, and one of them like got himself in some, you know, bad situation about sexual harassment.
And so I'm not clear on all the details, but it's like, you know, it's not looking good for Colleen. And like the Internet found, you know, everything.
Separate from how she's behaved in this situation? Separate. Okay.
But it's. That sounds like a different problem.
Yes, but it's the same conversation. Right.
About like sexual harassment. Right.
But in that conversation she like downplayed the woman's experience. And then in this one she's not.
She's up playing. Yeah.
I don't know. Seriously.
I don't know. So like relevance.
Let me know. It's important.
I haven't seen like the relevancy. You guys are just questioning her as an individual now.
Okay. Correct.
Correct. After like reading her books and loving her.
Yeah. Okay.
Right. Right.
Now we hate her. Right.
No. Cancel Colleen is over party.
So that's where we're at. I thought it was going to get quieter from here on out.
No. It's getting louder.
I would love to know what the conversations inside the lively Reynolds household have been like. I'm sure it's like, well, well it's playful with the teeth oh let me go let me go to the basement get one of my dragons i don't know i feel like those two basically i i don't know do they know how i don't know that it's this bad maybe they're preparing their next thing like like blake's christmas day bomb which i also thought was i like it's crazy how two people can read a situation because when she dropped that right before Christmas, I was like, that's a weird time to drop this evidence that's going to clear her name.
No one's really paying attention. It's the holiday break.
That's a bad time to make news. And then other people were like, she did it to ruin his Christmas.
Well, to be clear, she didn't actually drop anything. She filed something with the government and then the New York Times ran it.
She dropped the file in conjunction with the New York Times story on that week. It's unclear if that was her publishing it or the New York Times just ran it, but yes, I'm sure she did.
It seemed like they had an inside track. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But why that week? To me, that week seems like poor timing. Where you would bury something.
Right right but then other people see it as she wanted to ruin justin's christmas so that's just like how we all see it differently yeah we're in justin's christmas christmas are you ready for our fifth and final story some lighthearted news that we've all been waiting for what christina hawk has a new man who chris lar wait, I gotta look. This is gonna be in the flip-off season two.
Chris LaHocca. Wait, what is she going by now, Christina Hack? Is that her marital? Yeah, that's her original name.
I think she's like stripped back. Oh, wow, sexy pics of them.
Yeah. You know what? She finds like these hot men.
Some girls just never stay single for long for long she's so it's the seven husbands of christina hack it is and you know who else i was thinking that about recently who weirdly always has a man even though like i wouldn't have put her in that box lady gaga oh yeah because we saw him last night and he was not what i was expecting lady gaga always has a man but you would think think she'd be like the independent type, not really in a relationship. And she's like low key, always in a committed relationship.
So they were spotted at the LA airport together and they're jetting off in a romantic getaway to Paris. Yeah, they were spotted first together in October.
His name is Michael Buckner. He has a professional headshot.
So what does that mean i'm looking at christopher laraca oh wait am i on an old article there i mean there's so many articles i literally i literally searched and no wait february 2nd 2025 christina hawk spotted kissing new boyfriend chris laraca wait wait are you on people magazine yeah february 2nd 2025 oh yeah yeah yeah wait who's this guy why did they have a side by side of her michael buckner was taken by michael buckner that's no no that's the photo credit for variety oh oh that's a photographer my bad that's who took the headshot if anybody needs a new headshot his His name is Chris LaRocca.

He's very handsome.

What does he do?

I just want to say Christina LaRocca.

Oh, and then they have like the same first name also because he's Christopher.

I'd rather see you LaRocca the stage at Arrowhead.

She's Christina and he's Christopher.

Oh, Chris, Chris.

They're the Chrises.

That's cute.

So he's the CEO and president of Network ConX. She loves a businessman.
I love that for her. Now let me look up annual revenue for...
The CEO of Network La Rocca. Yeah, I'm just like a busybody.
You just have a real job? Okay. Oh my God.
Network ConX estimated revenue, they're based out of Chicago, is about 80 million dollars a year that's he's the ceo of a company that does 80 million dollars a year strong yeah um christine does not waste your time chris she does not waste her time chris what was his name chris laraka salary maybe it's on glass door so his net worth according to this website is at least nine thousand one hundred and twenty six dollars thank you that's good i figured it might be that's good there he's a private citizen so it's like really hard no and also maybe he's like ceo of this company but maybe he like sold a company previously like it's hard to to know. Or maybe he has like bad debts.
You could never know. He has a Bloomberg profile.
Like that's how you know you're like a legit business person, a part of the. This headshot by Michael Buckner is also giving legit business person.
A thousand percent. Thank you, Michael Buckner.
Like that's seriously a ringing endorsement for you. I'm literally crying.
I have tears coming out of my eyes. I kind of need a new headshot.
Should I call that Michael Buckner? I think that you should. Do you think that Michael Buckner knew the day he took this man's photo? He's going to change his life.
Do you think Michael Buckner's daughter is a toaster? I hope like a niece out there is like, Uncle Mike? Maybe we'll get three headshots. Uncle Mike? Is that you? Oh my God, I'm cracking up.
Well, Christina knows how to pick them. Like she really always turns out with someone handsome, someone successful.
And now it's never like a long lasting thing, but that's kind of seems like where she's comfortable. Christopher seems different.
So does Michael. Maybe if it doesn't work out with Christopher.
There's always Michael. There's always Michael.
No, he seems different because he's like not in the public eye. Doesn seem like he's going to go on to date renee zell wigger yeah and go to her premiere of bridget jones did you see and instead are they still together him and renee he was at the premiere of bridget jones with her and i don't believe you that's so crazy they're still together yeah they're still together they were together last week on the red carpet of her new movie okay i need yeah i see i see i think his daughters came along too so she's just like yeah he has a son and a daughter who both came so she she's really a part of the family yeah well maybe they should hire michael buckner to take a family photo do you think she'll be watching the flip-off one thousand you know she is not with him though like late at night when he's out doing his well he's all things he's he's on the flip off he's one of the guests that's why she's gonna watch just like taylor listens to travis's podcast to get insight he wants to know what happened between she like renee zellweger is just a girl she wants to know why aunt and christina didn't work out renee anstead renee got a nice ring to it it's a lot of it's a lot of vowels claudia buckner that's nice

a lot yeah of consonants yeah hard well thank you for ending like putting a nice sort of bookend on the stories for today because i that's the son that's something i need to possibly do good news here i need some good news sitting. Sitting on, sitting on some cold truth.
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