E884 - RHOBH w/ Kelley O’Hara, Traitors w/ Boston Rob, Grant’s Lie?, Nat’s Babygirl Review, & Bedtime Rules

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Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 1 I like to get a coffee. Sometimes I like to browse the gift shop.

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Speaker 2 I get pat down every time.

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Speaker 2 What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, Nick.

Speaker 2 You watch Baby Girl? You want to start there?

Speaker 1 Baby Girl.

Speaker 2 Thank you for watching it without me.

Speaker 1 Honestly, I felt like I'm really glad I watched it at home. If I were one of those people who went to the movie theater and sat beside other people while I watched that, I would have really struggled.

Speaker 1 Is it hot?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 you know, I wish it would have been maybe a little bit more relatable, kinks.

Speaker 2 When I was a child, oh boy, oh,

Speaker 2 interesting, not really. I just always remember if movies were rated G, PG, PG-13R, and it was like NC17, but you never really heard of those movies, and it was basically porn.

Speaker 2 But like, they never came out with a movie that was like NC17. Should this be NC17? It was not porn.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, there was really not as much nudity as I like went in expecting there to be. Then what's the matter? But Nicole Kidman does have an amazing pair of boobies, I will say.

Speaker 1 Don't we get to see them? We get to see Nicole Kidman's boobies.

Speaker 2 Help, Nicole Kidman?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but anything Nicole Kidman does, I'm a fan of. I'll watch.
But like I said, I wish it was maybe a little bit more relatable kinks.

Speaker 1 I don't know, and maybe this is me like kink shaming people, but I don't know how many women want to be treated like a dog.

Speaker 2 When you say treated like a dog.

Speaker 1 It was like get on your hands and knees and put a treat in his hand and wanted her to crawl over and eat the tree out of his hand type of thing.

Speaker 2 No, thanks.

Speaker 1 You know, so it was like...

Speaker 2 Whose kink was that? His or hers?

Speaker 1 I think both of theirs, obviously.

Speaker 5 She's 57.

Speaker 2 Did you watch it? Defying gravity and time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 it definitely, it went a lot of places. I didn't see it going.
There was a lot of like, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Okay. Did you enjoy it?

Speaker 1 It was a nice way to pass. What was River doing?

Speaker 2 She was asleep. She was napping.

Speaker 1 She was napping. And I thought, hmm, what a good time to like watch this movie that I've heard so many mixed reviews about.
And I will say,

Speaker 2 Harry Dickinson.

Speaker 1 Harris Dickinson. Harris Dickinson.
Handsome man. Easy to be like, okay, I want to watch him and Nicole Kidman.
But it was just very odd. It was really odd.

Speaker 1 I think my main takeaway is like, I wish it, I think it would have landed better with the women if it was like a little bit more.

Speaker 2 relatable. Was Harris more appealing to you in the first five minutes of the movie or in the last five minutes of the movie? Ooh, good question.

Speaker 1 Well, definitely the first for sure. But then it's weird because then, like, it's all about she like has this affair on her husband.
Her husband's like this French man.

Speaker 1 And then he like ends up submissing the husband.

Speaker 2 Is that the right word?

Speaker 1 Dominating the husband. No, dominating the husband.

Speaker 2 Oh, so we have like Harris.

Speaker 1 So it's like he has some superpower.

Speaker 2 Suddenly I'm watching. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, not like to that extent, but definitely to an extent where you're like, I wouldn't expect that to be his reaction.

Speaker 5 Is it like the husband is like in the closet watching this happen situation? No.

Speaker 2 Okay. No.
Okay. So it's not a

Speaker 2 cucking. A cucking.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like he's having a panic attack and who does he go to for relief? The man who has been fucking his wife.

Speaker 2 When you say relief, like a therapist?

Speaker 1 Like a.

Speaker 2 Good question.

Speaker 1 And Nicole tries to like help him. This is very spoiler alert.
So if anyone was trying to watch this movie, I'm very sorry.

Speaker 2 Well, you were giving a review.

Speaker 1 I was giving a review.

Speaker 2 Yeah. If you haven't seen it by now, you don't get to like call Debs on a movie.
It's been, yeah. It's been a minute.

Speaker 1 It's been out since Christmas Day. We're February.
We're in February.

Speaker 2 We're in the FYC campaign.

Speaker 1 Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But so he's like having a panic attack and his like wife tries to comfort him, Nicole Kidman, and he's like, not you. And then Harris Dickinson is like, come here, come here.

Speaker 1 And he's coming to Harris. So very interesting, very odd.

Speaker 2 Would I watch it again?

Speaker 1 I would not. Hot.
Would I recommend it?

Speaker 2 Probably not. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But if you love Nicole Kidman, and like, I mean, she's a phenomenal actress, so it was like fun to

Speaker 2 be active guy. Did you like the club scene that everybody's talking about? Club scene.
Where like she looks so lost and she's just standing there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 She kisses a girl in that scene, which this like extra gets to kiss Nicole Kidman. So pop off for her.

Speaker 2 Not a bad day at work.

Speaker 1 Not a bad day at work. They were like, you're booked for the gig.
And she was like, okay, here's my script.

Speaker 2 Wow. All she did was make out in the call.
All she did.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 5 Why am I never God's favorite?

Speaker 2 Honestly. Honestly.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 you might be too short for

Speaker 2 that role.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 5 I'm too short to kiss Nicole Kidman.

Speaker 2 Isn't she really tall?

Speaker 4 You can stand on a tipped.

Speaker 5 I could get on my tiptoes.

Speaker 2 Apple Bucks.

Speaker 5 Okay, she was married to Tom Cruise.

Speaker 2 I'm probably the same height as that man. I didn't mean to.
I can get the platforms.

Speaker 1 But I will say, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I know. Why? What did he do? What did I do? It wasn't Nick.
Physically. It was my own doing.

Speaker 1 What did you do? I took a shower last night, washed my hair, and did not get all the conditioner out. And I found out this morning the back of my head is like a swamp ass back there.

Speaker 2 So don't look. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The front looks good.

Speaker 1 Don't look at the back. The back is none of my business.
I can't see it.

Speaker 2 I don't know what's going on. Well, we have a great episode lined up for you today.

Speaker 2 We have Olympic gold medalist and World Cup champion, former American professional soccer player Kelly O'Hara is with us to talk about all things reality TV.

Speaker 2 She's watching Traders and Barely's Housewives, Summerhouse.

Speaker 2 She's all into Bravo. And then later in the episode, along with Kelly, we're going to have Boston Rob himself from Traders zooming in to give us all the inside tea about his time on Traders.

Speaker 2 You're super excited about that. Plus, Sierra's got something excited to share with you.

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Speaker 2 Well, Bachelor Nation is up in arms for two reasons. One, some think Grant lied.
I'm still very much Team Grant. Obviously, on the episode on Monday night.

Speaker 1 Rose told Carolina that Grant told her that he was thinking of her while he was on stage with Carolina.

Speaker 1 Carolina went to Grant, didn't say that Rose told him, but by process of elimination, he figured out that Rose told Carolina this, went to confront Rose to where Rose said, I could have sworn I heard you say that.

Speaker 2 Now.

Speaker 1 There's the clip resurfacing.

Speaker 2 We have the clip. We do.

Speaker 1 But I still kind of think mine and let's say

Speaker 1 theory was kind of right, though. I think how he's saying it versus how she heard it.

Speaker 4 I'm going to get back from saying I told you so. Two different things.

Speaker 6 Very interested in you. Like, even today, right? You know, the whole dancing thing on stage and everything.

Speaker 2 I was thinking about you. I don't want you to feel like I'm not paying attention because I am.

Speaker 1 He also doesn't say when I was dancing with Carolina, I was thinking about you. They were all dancing on stage at some point.

Speaker 1 So like he could have just been like, while everyone was dancing on stage, I was thinking about you.

Speaker 1 He didn't specify Carolina.

Speaker 2 Leah's bursting at the seams.

Speaker 5 Please. Leia.

Speaker 4 This is what I think happened. I think that there was some miscommunication with Carolina and Rose.

Speaker 4 And I think Rose communicated the conversation the way that Grant said it, where he was kind of just like, I was thinking of you guys while we were dancing, right? Harmless statement.

Speaker 1 But Carolina.

Speaker 1 Statement?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think what Grant said was harmless.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Okay. You're right.
Yeah. Grant's harmless.

Speaker 4 I think what Grant said was harmless. I don't think that he's at fault.
I think what happened was Carolina inserted her name into the conversation that she had with Rose, and she was like,

Speaker 2 Do you think

Speaker 2 Carolina is the messy one in this scenario?

Speaker 4 I think Carolina is the one who is making this messy.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying she is necessarily doing it on purpose, but I do think that maybe she's embellishing, maybe she is like inserting her name where it wasn't.

Speaker 4 And I think that when Rose was maybe telling the story to maybe a larger group of people, Carolina miscommunicated what was said to her to Grant and took it a little bit out of context, which made Rose look really bad.

Speaker 1 Well, Rose did say her and Carolina were having a private conversation while getting ready, and that's when. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And well, I do think Carolina is a little messy.

Speaker 2 Whose team are you on here, Leia?

Speaker 4 I'm on team Rose and Team Grant. I think Carolina, I think we will come to find that Carolina

Speaker 7 scoop this up a little bit.

Speaker 2 You think there's more to be revealed on this story?

Speaker 1 She thinks Carolina is being messy and added herself where Rose was just saying, like, I was thinking of you while I was dancing on stage. And then Carolina adds in, while I was dancing with Carolina.

Speaker 1 Like, I think she's saying that Rose is saying it in, like, the general context of how Grant said it, and that Carolina's hearing it as a personal dig to her.

Speaker 1 I think the biggest takeaway is Bachelor needs to, and maybe you can give us some insight in if they'd ever do that.

Speaker 1 But go Bravo and give us a flashback.

Speaker 2 Why don't they do flashbacks? I don't know.

Speaker 2 It could be messier.

Speaker 1 They are taking.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, they did the Casa Amur on Bachelor in Paradise. Like, they aren't against changing the secret sauce, you know, the ingredients to the show.

Speaker 2 But, like, do I think

Speaker 2 they've done a flashback or two here or there, but it's not part of their like.

Speaker 1 It's more like introducing characters or, like, reminding you who, what season people are from, but not, like, as evidence.

Speaker 1 But I think that would have been the perfect example to do that because they knew it would stir up something online of people like pulling back the footage. It's like you might as well just show up.

Speaker 2 The problem in this particular drama is that Grant did, it does appear that Grant technically did say the thing that Rose claimed that he did say.

Speaker 2 I think Rose is the messiest person in the scenario. Carolina, she clearly is messy.
Like that's, that, that's been evident, you know? Like.

Speaker 5 She's grinding with that man on a stage.

Speaker 2 But like, why, in what context did Rose need to say this?

Speaker 2 Like, why is she, why is she speaking on conversations that her and Grant are having and, you know, with someone else it's like she said it for a reason and that reason is what other than being messy I could kind of believe too that maybe it's the little like one-upping like where they're just kind of like oh yeah well I had this special moment like oh my god well my special moment or whatever and that's what I'm saying is that maybe one person didn't take things personally where the other person did I feel for Grant because in this, I believe that when he was like, I would never say that.

Speaker 2 And this speaks on my character, that he was, in that moment, he thought he was telling the truth. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I really believe that. 100%.
And I like the way that it was delivered from Rose and the context that was delivered. I think Grant heard that and was like, I would never do something like that.

Speaker 2 Like, I would never just, yeah, he's just like, I would never do something like that. And I do think it was a throwaway comment.

Speaker 2 And he's, again, like, he's trying to manage, literally manage a group of women because they're all looking at him as like, kind of like, what should we do next?

Speaker 2 You know, he's supposed to solve all the problems and he's supposed to make them all feel good and seen and heard and validated. And it's like, it's a mine, it's a minefield.

Speaker 2 And he's just trying to survive this minefield. Grant was collateral damage here.
Yeah. And like, again, Rose is just messy.
She was so, so messy. Why?

Speaker 1 I have a soft spot for Rose.

Speaker 4 Carolina was messy because Carolina is the one who told Grant the story. Rose was just there when Grant went to her and said, Did you say this? And she was like, I thought I heard that.

Speaker 4 But Carolina is the one who communicated the conversation back to Grant.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, if I'm yeah, if anyone's going to change the story, it would be Carolina.

Speaker 2 Except, listen, if, if I'm Carolina, right? If you're Carolina, like, wouldn't you be a little perturbed that if Grant, in fact, said that? Yeah. Like, you know, she's having a moment.

Speaker 2 And like, in Bachelor World, any one-on-one time, no matter where it is or what context, it's like, it's, it's like winning the lottery.

Speaker 2 It's like you're programmed to be like, this is the biggest deal in the world.

Speaker 2 And she heard that her friend, another woman, like that the bachelor was like, yeah, I was thinking about you when I was dancing with her. Wouldn't that kind of annoy you?

Speaker 2 That wouldn't make you feel a certain way.

Speaker 1 I could see how it's annoying, but also I'm like, you just got off of a private jet Vegas date. He's literally like hearing you out and like giving you all of this attention and validation.

Speaker 2 Who started this? Who started what? This whole thing. Carolina.
How? It was no. No, she came home, started.

Speaker 2 Rose did. It was never a thing until Carolina made it a thing.
It was never a thing until. How am I? Carolina spiraled.
It was never a thing until Rose said something to Carolina. It started there.

Speaker 2 If Rose doesn't say anything to Carolina, it doesn't go anywhere.

Speaker 1 But you don't know what Carolina said to Rose to where Rose felt comfortable to say that to Carolina.

Speaker 2 And Rose just spiraled, but Carolina did. Yeah, we're right.
We don't know. What we do know is that Rose brought it up to Carolina.

Speaker 1 Right. And we also know that Carolina not only spiraled, said she never went on her one-on-one with Grant because this comment was so, like, broke her down so much.

Speaker 2 After she said, that's after Rose said something.

Speaker 1 If Rose would have said this to one of the other women who were there, because he did not say while Carolina and I were dancing, he just said while everyone was dancing or while we were dancing, you were on my mind.

Speaker 1 So if she would have gone to Latia and been like, oh my God, Grant said that like he was thinking of me while like everyone was dancing or like while like y'all were dancing or like while he was, she wouldn't have been like, oh my God, I have to go to Grant and be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 I feel like what you're saying is making my point. Okay.

Speaker 2 No?

Speaker 5 Period.

Speaker 2 She went to Carolina.

Speaker 4 We're just saying that Carolina's messy, not Rose.

Speaker 4 We think it went this whole thing.

Speaker 2 I mean, they're both messy.

Speaker 1 They're both messy.

Speaker 2 We know that Carolina's messy in general, but this particular dilemma, Rose started it. She did.

Speaker 2 How can you argue that anyone started it but Rose?

Speaker 1 Rose told Carolina about a private conversation she had with Grant.

Speaker 2 That she should not have said. She shouldn't have said to anyone.

Speaker 1 We don't have the footage of that because it was off-camera and off-miced. So we don't have footage of that.
We're just going off of what Carolina is saying back to Grant.

Speaker 2 What could have Carolina said that would have made Rose in a position to be like, well, he was thinking about me too. Like, why did she need to say that?

Speaker 2 In what context was that a nice thing to say to someone maybe opening up about a special moment she thought she had with Grant? Hey, girl, how are you doing? Like, but explain to me.

Speaker 2 Like, in what I'm saying, he was thinking about me while he was dancing. In what world is that not a messy thing to do? You're right.
No, you're right.

Speaker 4 That is messy. No, I think in a world where you're debriefing with your girlfriends and it's like, oh my God, he said the sweetest thing to me.
And she wasn't

Speaker 4 thinking that carolina would put herself into that story because she's probably just like so rose isn't thinking

Speaker 4 carolina's messy Well, Rose, because what he said was when we were dancing, I was thinking of you. And he never said when me and Carolina were dancing.

Speaker 4 And Rose probably just said like, oh, he said the sweetest thing to me. Like, he said that, like, when we were all dancing, he was thinking of me.

Speaker 2 But we don't know Carolina. There is no footage.

Speaker 2 You're just making shit up. And again, like the fact that Grant, you're right.

Speaker 2 The fact that Grant didn't specify Carolina and that Rose said something to Carolina, she made Carolina feel like that's exactly what Grant said.

Speaker 6 We don't know.

Speaker 2 But we know she said something. We know she started it.

Speaker 1 I think we have a bigger dilemma than this.

Speaker 2 What's that? Oh, yeah. Well, Bachelorette is canceled.
Sure. Not too.

Speaker 1 Me too. My biggest dilemma, definitely.

Speaker 2 All because of this feud.

Speaker 1 I can't sleep at night. It was going to be Rose or Carolina, but now canceled because of this.
No, I mean, that is kind of fucked up.

Speaker 1 Apparently, Rachel Reccia said that they had already picked one, and she knew who it was, and they were like...

Speaker 2 I find that highly unbelievable. That they've already picked one.
It's February.

Speaker 2 Listen, anything's possible,

Speaker 2 but it would be the first time in my experience with this franchise of over a decade that they would have selected a bacherette this early.

Speaker 2 If they're going to pick a bacherette from the most current season, they let the season play out. They find out who the fan favorites are.
They see what people think.

Speaker 2 They wait certainly until women tell all taping to get a sense of who the fan favorites are.

Speaker 1 But they definitely don't pick the fan favorite. We've seen that time and time again.

Speaker 2 I understand that. But like they also, you know, they see there's no reason at this point to like make a selection.

Speaker 2 Have they had conversations with a handful of the women to see if they would be interested? Probably, possibly. It could be five or six.

Speaker 2 I do believe that maybe a conversation was had with one of the women and that person went around telling everyone they were asked to be the bachelorette and then found out because that happens all the time.

Speaker 2 But I think it's crazy that they are putting it on pause. Well,

Speaker 5 another

Speaker 2 kind of rumor is that

Speaker 5 basically Mormon Wives is going to replace the Bachelor time slot.

Speaker 2 That's interesting.

Speaker 1 But isn't Mormon Wives only an hour long and Bachelor is two?

Speaker 2 Bachelor is usually two. And also, I know back in October, they announced that...
Variety announced actually that Hulu was where Mormon Wives Season 2 was going to be.

Speaker 2 So what's interesting is that Rob Mills, who runs Unscripted for ABC, he's also in charge of Hulu and Disney Plus. So he's kind of in charge of all of them, and there's just a lot of symmetry or

Speaker 2 synergy or whatever. Thank you, Mary.
Cross-contamination. Cross-contamination.
Cross-contamination. That is how it feels.
Of course.

Speaker 2 And I think they're sort of trying to figure it out, but Rob Mills would be the person to decide to put Bachelor on Pause.

Speaker 2 And I think he has the, you know, right now, like during Grant season, right, they're re-airing season one of Mormon Wives following The Bachelor. Yes.

Speaker 2 Which, like, sometimes when strikes have happened and things like that, they've like aired like Showtime shows on CBS because they're owned by the same entities, you know, things like that.

Speaker 2 And so maybe they're trying out Mormon Wives on ABC to see how it does on the network television, but it is scheduled to be released on Hulu only, but it's still possible. I could see it possible that

Speaker 2 ABC also has it as well. There might be like contractual obligations between who gets what first.

Speaker 2 Obviously with Bachelor ABC, they air it on Monday nights and then like the next day it's available on Hulu. So it'll be interesting, but but that's definitely possible.

Speaker 2 I don't know why they felt like they had to do one or the other. Like, there's

Speaker 2 five days away. Or maybe it just worked out like that.

Speaker 1 I think there's a deeper-rooted thing here, and maybe we should dig.

Speaker 2 Should we dig? Okay. But I have a bigger dilemma.
Oh,

Speaker 1 that I'm trying to get out here, people.

Speaker 2 I want to hear.

Speaker 2 Are you

Speaker 2 kidding me?

Speaker 2 I'm losing my mind.

Speaker 1 If you are the first in bed, do you have to run the nightly errands?

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 If you're the first in bed, we almost got doors.

Speaker 2 Like you both,

Speaker 1 we almost got doors. What's the nightly errands? Like getting the water, locking up the doors, turning off the lights, turning off the TV, letting out the dogs.
That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 If you're the first in bed. So you and Connor, you're like, all right, let's go to bed.
You go to the bedroom, brush your teeth, whatever, get in bed.

Speaker 2 Nick, Connor.

Speaker 1 I'm like, Nick shows up.

Speaker 2 What do you do?

Speaker 1 Connor comes in and you're like, honey, could you like grab the water?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He goes and gets the water.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 What if he got in bed and was like, no, you go get the water?

Speaker 1 That would be crazy, right? That's crazy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're already in bed. You're already in bed.

Speaker 1 So whoever's in bed first.

Speaker 2 This is a lie.

Speaker 1 The other night. That's an effort for you to crawl into bed, by the way.
It does. The other night, I'm in bed, cuddly, snuggly, warm under the covers, very cozy.
Nick.

Speaker 2 Let's really paint an accurate picture. Sure.
Every night I shut down the house.

Speaker 2 Man, but but not very well so i have to double check not no 95 of the time i cover it all which it does a handful of errands including getting her water okay which she can't seem to do on her own before she goes to bed um yeah of course not it is a man's job you don't want to get the mother of your child water yeah thank you not a job no if every if everything is my job then it's never an act of love but you also ask for that water in the middle of the night oh once a month oh right you share water continue i also took out the it was garbage day the next day so i had to take out the garbage the night before did you have to put your shoes on for that or did you already have your shoes on ready to go i had to put shoes on for that no no yeah it's really hard i had to go back and forth a few times because natie had various requests what were they i don't even remember but there are too many

Speaker 2 do you shut this grab that she she's just barking out orders like i'm not she doesn't remember finally i get in bed and then she now before you got in bed Nally wants.

Speaker 2 I could get in bed every night and just go to bed and just close my eyes and dream about myself.

Speaker 1 Whenever y'all are ready to hear the truth, you can circle back to me.

Speaker 2 And Nally wants to watch TV.

Speaker 2 Natalie couldn't find the remote. I could give a fuck if we watched TV.
I'm ready to, I'm ready for bed. That's not true.
You aren't ready for bed. I was absolutely remote.

Speaker 2 Whenever y'all are ready for the truth,

Speaker 2 I definitely did not.

Speaker 2 I didn't need to watch TV. And Nally's like, I can't find the remote.
Can you go in in the living room, grab that remote? I'm like, absolutely not. No.

Speaker 2 I put my foot down because it was just like, I'm always getting out of bed. And this one time, I was like, if you want the remote, go get the remote.

Speaker 2 Because every once in a while, a request sounds like an order.

Speaker 2 I'm just

Speaker 2 whatever. You know, I talk about it.
That's really good. Talk about that good story.
This is a really good story. So the truth

Speaker 1 to this whole story.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, if it proceeds, I'm. No, let me finish.

Speaker 1 Okay, trying to shut a woman down.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 2 Were you silenced?

Speaker 2 I'm refusing to get the remote.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. Let me go.
Just let me go. He doesn't want your side.
He does your rights. That's enough.
You're done. He's stalling.

Speaker 1 So, the truth to the matter is, Nick does his own nightly routine. He's got all these like pills he's popping, vitamins he's taking, shots.

Speaker 1 So he's like, he lets the dogs out to pee and he makes the water. And then when he lets the dogs out to pee, he's got to shut the door.
We have the sliding door.

Speaker 1 So we put those little poles up behind the door so no one can break in for my intruder syndrome, lock the doors, turn the lights off.

Speaker 1 I'm back there scrubbing my face, doing my 16-step nightly routine, which I feel like is a little bit more strenuous than what he's doing out there.

Speaker 1 I manage to finish before he comes back.

Speaker 2 Get in bed, pull the covers up, quite cozy.

Speaker 2 Hop in bed so I don't do shit.

Speaker 1 He comes in and it's 9.30. Okay, 9.30.
And so well past my bedtime. I'm like, let's watch our show because we didn't get, we had to watch all of our homework.
So I'm like, let's watch our show in bed.

Speaker 1 He's like, okay, cool. And I'm like, where's the remote? He's like, I don't know.
I'm like, is it on your side? He's like, no. And I'm like, well, could you go and get the one in the living room?

Speaker 1 Takes off his clothes. I also want to do it.
Gets in the bed.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I'm like, are you serious? He's like, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 I don't need the, I don't need it. I don't need it.
so then I'm like

Speaker 1 okay well then I'll sing myself to sleep

Speaker 1 so I start singing then he opens his laptop and he starts getting on Twitter doing whatever the hell he's doing he's like I don't need the TV I can do research and I'm like okay

Speaker 2 so then I get my Kindle and I'm like I can read I start reading out loud and then he turns on reading out loud he turns on music and I turn on ambient noises to track the loudest volume and we're both like get out of bed no you get out of bed no you get out of bed you guys sound like the stepbrothers soon, but it's just like, yes,

Speaker 2 two bricks.

Speaker 2 That's exactly what it was.

Speaker 2 And then she, it was even more annoying than reading loud. Then she was reading with a whisper

Speaker 2 for 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 Which one was worse out louder, the whisper?

Speaker 2 Because after a while, after a while, the ambient music that I was playing, just to like drown her out, I had thought she stopped. And I turned on the ambient music only for her to hear.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're still going.

Speaker 1 But wait, this sounds like, could all of this have been avoided?

Speaker 2 If now I just got her ass out of the corner, had she just gotten the water in the remote?

Speaker 5 Literally.

Speaker 2 Literally. It was that easy.
It's not my job. It is no.

Speaker 1 When you're the last in bed, it is your job to do. Sorry, it's a race and I beat you that day.

Speaker 2 It is shotgun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it is shotgun. It's shotgun rules.
It's shotgun rules. Total shotgun rules.

Speaker 1 So, anyways, glad we got that covered. Did y'all see that Mandy Moore posted about Amazon delivering a package to her in-law's house that had burnt to the ground? So messed up.

Speaker 1 Like just left this package on top of burnt.

Speaker 2 Who's at fault though?

Speaker 1 Amazon. Amazon.

Speaker 2 You took the, you put that down in front of a non-house.

Speaker 1 I feel like that one can go back to the factory.

Speaker 2 Right. I think the driver is definitely at fault.

Speaker 5 I think the driver is delivering to the address that I mean, listen, I get it. I wouldn't do it, but you're doing your job.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 But really, you're going to set that package right there and be like, oh, they'll come and get it if I ring the doorbell. Like,

Speaker 2 come on. You couldn't

Speaker 1 take it back to the warehouse and be like, hey, so this house is... This is burned down.

Speaker 5 That is what I would do personally, but I do not know what, you know, and like at a big... They have so many deliveries.
Who knows like what their protocol is for like, you have to get this done.

Speaker 5 You have to get this done at what time speed. You know, they have like those really short windows.

Speaker 2 They were just on strike for like being overworked, but still I'm like, if I'm delivering a package, if anything, I'm skipping the house that's not.

Speaker 1 Right, you added more work to yourself by stopping, finding the package, getting out of the car, leaving it on the rubble, getting back.

Speaker 2 That was you added yourself another five minutes.

Speaker 2 The house isn't there.

Speaker 2 Keep going. I would go to the next neighborhood.
I would not personally do that.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. They also have like Amazon places like at Whole Foods and whatnot where you can pick up stuff at a locker.

Speaker 2 Just to play devil's advocate. I don't think he needs it.
I love it when she says that.

Speaker 2 What if the driver thought that the homeowner had ordered something that was helping clean up or fight the rubble?

Speaker 1 I don't think that driver was thinking of anybody but hisself that day.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Amazon did respond, and Amazon put out a statement saying we've reached out to Miss Moore via Instagram.

Speaker 2 We love it.

Speaker 1 Their social media marketing person for Amazon DM'd her to apologize for this and to ask for more information from her in-laws so we're better able to investigate what happened here.

Speaker 2 What's to investigate? I had a package. My house burnt down.
You left it.

Speaker 1 They said for weeks, we've advised those who are delivering on our behalf in Southern California to use discretion in areas that were impacted by wildfires, especially if it involves delivering to a damaged home.

Speaker 1 That clearly didn't happen here. So they put out a widespread being like, don't do that.

Speaker 2 Being like, don't do that. It's our workers' fault.
And Tony was like, hey, I'm going to leave it anyways. Well, it probably was the employee's fault.
It definitely was.

Speaker 5 It was definitely the employee's fault, but I could also see a bigger picture of like being overworked. Being overworked, what they have to do, how much they have to deliver.

Speaker 5 I don't, I don't think it's an excuse for doing that.

Speaker 2 Overworked to like see a house that no longer exists.

Speaker 5 That's the thing. That is very true.

Speaker 2 I just think it's also a thing at the same time. Both things are true.
Maybe it was Gen Z.

Speaker 5 Maybe it was Gen Z. I think as a Gen Z, I would probably do that.

Speaker 1 Well, one in six companies are hesitant to hire recent college graduates.

Speaker 2 Why? Well,

Speaker 1 in August, Intelligent.com surveyed 966 business leaders involved in hiring decisions at their company to explore attitudes towards hiring recent Gen Z college graduates.

Speaker 1 75% of companies report that some of all of their recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory. Six in 10 companies...

Speaker 2 Some or all.

Speaker 1 Damn. Damn.
Six in 10 companies fired a recent college graduate they hired this year. Nine in 10 hiring managers say recent college graduates should undergo etiquette training.

Speaker 1 A majority of companies, 79%, report that they had to place at least some of their underperforming hires on performance improvement plans, and 60% report some were eventually fired.

Speaker 1 Why do we think this is?

Speaker 2 Why do you think, Nick? Are you Gen Z, Leia?

Speaker 4 I am on the cutoff here.

Speaker 1 You're on the cusp.

Speaker 2 I'm also a cusp, I will say.

Speaker 2 You're not a cusp. We're not cusp.
Yeah, no, they say that a lot of us that are from like 1999 to 2003 are the ones that like grew up like through the recession.

Speaker 2 The COVID was during our primitive years of like high school, college. Wait, so am I not Gen Z?

Speaker 5 I don't think you are.

Speaker 2 No, I think like you're cusp, if anything. I do think people perpetuate a narrative that all Gen Z is like lazy.

Speaker 1 I do know a lot of lazy people but i also know a lot of ambitious people i think there's also a lot of like employers can't be like stern and strict with their employees or direct whereas like i thrived when i was in the workforce i thrived on like i needed someone to be like you you have to do better like absolutely not that's not gonna work like i needed that interesting and it would like if i did not perform well i it would make me emotional i would cry like i needed to be and and i don't think a lot of people.

Speaker 2 I think there are a lot of gentle parents out there. Yeah.
Yeah. And bosses aren't gentle parenting.
And I think not, well, not all Gen Z employees are like that.

Speaker 2 I do think overall, my interpretation is Gen Z expects less of themselves. But I do think there's a heightened increase in general.
Maybe not across the board or with everyone, but.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, who isn't a Gen Z, but I also think deserves respect. Paige from Summerhouse.

Speaker 2 Have you been seeing that she's basically the Super Bowl she was seeing with her man that works for the Eagles?

Speaker 1 Is this the same guy that it was like zoomed in really far and it was like Paige and mystery guy or Adam?

Speaker 2 She looks like she's in a relationship already. She definitely is.

Speaker 2 So like then I'm curious, maybe does she owe Austin an apology?

Speaker 2 I get that there's nothing more irritating than people who aren't used talking about your life and acting like they know more about you than you. But if they get it right.

Speaker 2 Well, Austin basically like, what, like a week ago or so, something like that, tweeted out or commented. Watch what happens live.

Speaker 2 Watch what happens live and basically said, like, the rumors about Paige moving on with her life aren't rumors. Yeah.
And here she is. Oh, yeah, that seems to be true, right?

Speaker 2 Holding hands with this guy. And then, I don't know, like, the internet sleuths.
Apparently, like, Paige took a selfie in what looks like a bedroom. There's a bed behind her.

Speaker 2 Maybe it was a hotel room. And apparently, this is their new man's man purse in the background.

Speaker 1 He posted a photo too with a friend in the same room with the same headboard, same carpet.

Speaker 2 I'm a little surprised that Paige is dating someone who wears a man purse. Yeah, so am I.

Speaker 1 I struggle with that.

Speaker 2 I find that to be shocking. It's not a man purse.
It's like a crossbody satchel.

Speaker 1 Even worse. It's a man purse.
I feel like that's kind of a crossbody and it's and it's close to a fanny pack.

Speaker 1 I feel like it kind of sounds like a little on point though that she would want a man that accessorizes. And also, I just need to clarify he doesn't work for the Eagles.

Speaker 1 He's a senior vice president of football marketing at Clutch Sports.

Speaker 2 Okay. Either way, Paige seems like she wants us talking about her.
I mean, she's not hiding it.

Speaker 1 It's not subtle.

Speaker 2 It's not subtle. And like, she has the right to date, but like, you know, people are going to have their opinions, you know, especially when Craig has a broken heart.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Good for her. It's interesting, too, because on the other side of the cast, Lindsay Hubbard unfollowed her man's.
So I don't know what that is. They were just at a pediatrician appointment together.

Speaker 2 Oh, well, she doesn't follow him.

Speaker 1 So maybe they're still co-parenting.

Speaker 2 How do we know they're at a pediatrician appointment together?

Speaker 1 Well, she posted a picture of being like a baby's two-month appointment or whatever, and a man was holding her.

Speaker 2 I would imagine the man holding her would be the father of the baby. Maybe it's Paige's new man.
Or it's her pediatrician. Yeah, could be a pediatrician.
Or maybe he deleted his instruction.

Speaker 2 Was there a man purse also in the background of that?

Speaker 1 No man purse, but it was giving like lobby of pediatrician dad holding baby about to go back is what it was giving.

Speaker 2 But that man has the size of Craig. Can that be Craig from the back? What? No, I feel like Craig's man looks taller.
Yeah, this man looks small.

Speaker 1 Paige is very tiny.

Speaker 2 You're right. Paige isn't that tall.

Speaker 1 And she might be wearing wedges, but like the fact that that's her and heels and that says that.

Speaker 2 And those clothes do look very baggy on him. He's drowning in it.

Speaker 1 Another interesting news, I guess, Mormon wives, Jen Affleck, pregnant.

Speaker 2 Shocking.

Speaker 2 It's a little shocking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was not expecting that.

Speaker 2 What's the storyline? I don't know. She can't leave me.

Speaker 5 It was a surprise, but they're very excited about it, is the storyline.

Speaker 1 But it's weird because it's like their social media presence very much makes it like, are they, aren't they? Doesn't seem like she posts with him or like she doesn't post it all really anymore.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden it was like not wearing a ring in videos. I think I really struggle with Mormon wives because I can see how hard they're working to get people to watch season two.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's very transparent to me. And it's like hard for me to believe anything that they say or do when they're like, oh, they unfollowed each other.
Oh my God, these two are beefing.

Speaker 1 It's like, y'all are really just trying to get the, you know, it's hard for me to find it believable.

Speaker 2 I, I mean, I'm with you in the sense that I think they're, I think they're professionals. I don't think it's as subtle as they think it is.
I think maybe it's more subtle for other people.

Speaker 2 But I mean, it's just a very popular show.

Speaker 2 I don't think they're like desperately doing it i just think they're doing it because they know how to keep the people interested you know i mean i i i'm i want to see how jen affleck and zach how they went from possibly divorced

Speaker 1 either whether i don't know what was true or whether they were leaning in but that looked like a really broken relationship when we had jen come in she called her husband a narcissist right she said she got like a new apartment was like being videoed with no ring and then like not posting at all falling off the face of the earth and then it was just like here's an ad every once in a while like didn't expect like the next thing to be like and and I'm pregnant.

Speaker 2 But also, I'm like, is it a really the issue? Like, did she just post a video in a friend's house and we made up the narrative of buying a new house? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Because she was going back and forth with like wearing a ring and not wearing a ring.

Speaker 1 And the amount of times that I like don't for like, I, I only wear my band and like won't wear my engagement ring around the house.

Speaker 1 And like, if people, I don't know, I'm sure people see that and be like, why isn't she wearing her engagement ring?

Speaker 2 But maybe it was being cleaned. I'm like, are we the issue? Yeah, it's like, maybe, yeah, like the problem.

Speaker 1 Honestly, most of the times I think we are.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know any about thing about that.
I do know she was sitting right there on that couch, and I was like, do you think your husband's a narcissist? And she was like, yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 And that's something. Yep.
So we need a Love is Blind season in Utah. That doesn't exist, right? No.
Like, that would pop up.

Speaker 2 Haven't they got that? Well, we do have Love is Blind Minnesota debuting. Minnie

Speaker 2 Minneapolis. Debuts tomorrow.
So we'll start covering that next week. We'll do the first three episodes on Tuesday and then the rest of the batch on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 So if you're following along with us, be sure to watch that this weekend. Up next, we have Kelly O'Hara.
You may know her from the Olympic women's soccer team.

Speaker 2 Also, she had an appearance on Ben Higgins' season of The Bachelor. She and her fellow co-star made an appearance hosting a soccer date.

Speaker 2 Anyway, she's with us to talk a little housewives of Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 She's a star, like teammate. Alex Morgan, her teammate, was also there.

Speaker 2 Co-star. Her teammate? Co-star? They're all stars.
Everyone's a star. They're very stars.
Anyway, she's up next to talk about Beverly Hills Housewives Traders.

Speaker 2 And then later on, along with Kelly, Boston Rob's going to zoom in to give us a little bit more of the tea.

Speaker 1 My 16-year-old self is quaking.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Not quaking.

Speaker 2 I got to say, Rob. Legend.
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Speaker 2 kelly welcome to the show thanks for having me on we're very excited to have you i'm stoked to be here how have you been what's new i retired from soccer so i

Speaker 2 uh that happened in the fall so so recently yeah that has that been kind of a huge life adjustment yes yeah yeah um it has but i i kind of i had a are you okay you want to talk

Speaker 5 surprising, I had a long time to process it because I kind of saw it, the writing on the wall, just because of some physical things, like my knee's not great.

Speaker 5 And I had a doctor tell me, you need to retire like two years ago. So, I had, I had time, but I am surprised, like pleasantly surprised, with how much I've enjoyed the other side.

Speaker 5 Like, I'm officially done, and people keep asking, like, how are you doing? Because the teams are back in together, and I think they're worried.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're like worried about, you know, how I would be handling right now. And I'm like, I'm, I'm actually really good.
So, yeah. Okay.
Life's good.

Speaker 5 And I can't believe I did it for so long now knowing the other side.

Speaker 2 How long were you a professional? Professional.

Speaker 1 Soccer player?

Speaker 5 I started in 2010. So

Speaker 5 14, 15 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Was soccer something you, like your parents put you in at a really young age and you kind of grew up playing soccer?

Speaker 2 I started playing soccer when I was four. Four.

Speaker 5 Yes, yes. Little, um, we called it Muppet soccer in Georgia.

Speaker 2 I'm from Georgia, by the way.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 5 Um, so I started playing that, but I played a ton of sports growing up, which I'm so thankful that mom and dad had me do that. And, but soccer ended up being the one that like won out.

Speaker 5 And I was, I think, the best at and therefore enjoyed the most.

Speaker 2 Our daughter just started walking.

Speaker 5 Okay. And have you put a ball at her feet yet?

Speaker 2 Now I got her a soccer ball. Smart.
It's in her Valentine's Day basket.

Speaker 1 So she hasn't gotten it yet, but she did pick it out at Target.

Speaker 5 I love that. Does it have little, is it like red and white or like have hearts on it?

Speaker 2 Or is it just like it's just like it's all pink? Oh, beautiful. It's like neon pink.
Oh my gosh. I didn't really, I mean, I guess I haven't like, it's my first kid, so I haven't really.

Speaker 2 I've seen babies walk before, but I haven't really paid this much attention. When a kid learns to walk for the first time, it's as if they learn how to fly.

Speaker 5 Meaning, truly, she's really getting confident.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, two weeks ago, it was just a couple steps. Yes, and now she'll like, I'll have to, I'm just gonna have to show you.

Speaker 2 I don't know how else to do it, but like, she'll walk and then she like will just turn around and like as if she's flying.

Speaker 2 There's no like real direction of why she's doing it, but like, it's like, you know, if you learned how to fly, you would zig and you would zag and you would go up and you would go down.

Speaker 2 And her energy in her face is like, i can't believe i can do this all of a sudden she's like i'm gonna go left i'm gonna go right i'm gonna turn in circles it's pretty great yeah she's like i can literally do anything i think she's pretty athletic i was gonna ask does this does the walking look athletic because you can i feel like you can kind of tell early on who knows maybe i'm just i was gonna say is that dad bias but just it definitely could be dad biased but like i she's giving athlete okay she is

Speaker 2 yeah that's exciting she's very determined she likes to pull herself up today it was a little scary because like she stood up in her high chair oh you didn't she wasn't because you haven't had to strap her in yet.

Speaker 2 Well, you know at first it was like she didn't know how to stand up and like we were always by her with the high chair you know like so yeah and we're about to get parent shamed out there but you know we weren't buckling her in we are now that's fair you didn't you didn't have to you didn't have to well yeah so she's she's a very determined young lady so but it will be interesting to see like what kind of thing she takes to yeah gravitates to and takes to it was a red soccer ball at the park that made her walk through sand for the first time so i was like that was motivating enough for you.

Speaker 1 So that's why I got her the soccer ball. But she has a little basketball net and she knows how to put the basketball in the net.
So I think we're off to a good start.

Speaker 2 Maybe we'll have a Kelly O'Hara on our hands. We can only hope.
Who knows? Yeah. We can only hope.

Speaker 5 We can only be so lucky, you know?

Speaker 2 So rumor on the street is you filled up your retirement with watching some of our favorite programming.

Speaker 5 Yes. So I got into reality TV.
Well, I've always been a reality TV fan, but I got into Bravo because of my sweetie pie. She got me into Bravo during COVID.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 5 And because she watched Housewives, and I was like, I don't get it. You know, like, I'm not interested.
But then when you had so much time on your hands, let's get into it.

Speaker 5 And I have been a fan since. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you have a favorite franchise?

Speaker 5 I think Beverly Hills is the most entertaining. New York.
This season has gotten better. I enjoyed the originals, I guess.

Speaker 5 Oh, geez. Yeah, but it's nice to, because I got in so late that I didn't know all of the past history and drama.

Speaker 5 So it's nice to like okay I can start from the beginning that's easier I love Summerhouse Southern Charms very good Winter House I thought was quite entertaining as well but they're obviously not doing

Speaker 5 Salt Lake City so I didn't watch it a ton and it's so funny she'll put it on and I'm like she's like you gotta watch I'm like ah you know I watched in the beginning of Salt Lake because it was a new a new one so I it was easy to enter I didn't have to entered and gave up on it a little bit but I also think I have like a little bit of like um I'm I'm pretty bad at focusing so I just get yeah attention is not held sometimes.

Speaker 2 Well, last night's episode, did you watch? Salt Lake? No, Beverly Hills.

Speaker 5 Oh, yes, I did. I actually watched it in the car because I fell asleep last night watching Southern Charm in bed, but I did watch Beverly Hills.

Speaker 1 Did Sutton's mom remind you of anyone

Speaker 2 in her family?

Speaker 5 Well, it's funny. I'm like, ah.
You can tell that she loves Sutton so much, but she's just like a hard ass, you know?

Speaker 5 And there were certain things where she would say something and it would almost be like, is that a slight like is that rude but she's joking yeah and she she's like has like a little bit of a smirk you know yeah so but i feel that was a it was a heavy episode heavy really i was triggered same i was like i might start crying in the car and like i put on mascara

Speaker 2 i'm very much team missribo you are oh 100

Speaker 2 the garcelle

Speaker 5 i was so triggered by that were you You don't think Garcelle was just trying to like trying to almost open the door for Sutton and her mom to have that conversation? Maybe.

Speaker 5 I think that's what she was because I actually don't think the one at the end would have, their conversation at the end would have happened.

Speaker 2 I agree with that. Okay.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.

Speaker 5 But you're like, Garcel had no business doing that.

Speaker 2 No fucking business whatsoever. If I said to Natalie, it was like, if

Speaker 2 fast forward, if River makes friends with someone, you know, and regardless of what happens as River gets older, there will be some conflict between our daughter and us.

Speaker 2 Hopefully we have a healthy relationship, but at some point we'll piss her off. I don't know.
She'll have a gripe.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 But if one day our daughter brought over some cameras and her TV friend sat Natalie down and on camera started lecturing her about her parenting, if Natalie killed that friend, I would probably be fine with it.

Speaker 2 Like, that is the most out-of-pocket shit that Garcell did. Really?

Speaker 2 Sutton knew.

Speaker 1 Oh, Sutton knew.

Speaker 1 Sutton's setting up the table thing when Garcelle's outside with her mom.

Speaker 2 Did she know?

Speaker 2 Did she know exactly? 100%.

Speaker 1 Sutton knew that she brought Garcel there for that reason.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, when her mom responded, well, I don't think it's any of your business. I literally was like clapping.

Speaker 5 Well, it was a great response. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yes. For sure.

Speaker 5 But I do, I think, I don't know. What do you?

Speaker 1 You know, I think because I see so much of like my family in Miss Reba that I definitely do feel like Garcelle overstepped.

Speaker 1 Especially like, and watching Avi kind of roll his eyes at her.

Speaker 2 Like, they're in her house.

Speaker 1 They're in, you know, and he's like make, like, acting like she's inconvenient.

Speaker 5 Well, they're technically in Sutton's house.

Speaker 1 But who takes care of it?

Speaker 2 You know, like the mom lives in the backyard.

Speaker 1 Reba does. I know she lives in the backyard.
I feel like she takes care of the house more than Sutton does. She's at that house, I feel like, more than Sutton is.

Speaker 1 So when Reba's like, I don't like that ice, and Avi's like, oh.

Speaker 2 It was funny about that.

Speaker 2 i just like you know maybe i'm a respect your elders kind of guy and she's older and like yeah i get it at sutton's house but like if sutton has like trauma with her mom i get it but like it doesn't give her like sutton's people permission to come in and kind of give the same energy that sutton gives her mom also i see so much of sutton in her mom yep it's like and at the end of the episode

Speaker 2 her mom was like You turned out being just like me and kind of laughed.

Speaker 5 Exactly. No, I think it was Garcel or maybe it was Kyle who said, tree, apple.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's literally. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. It's so obvious.

Speaker 2 And listen, my heart, like, it was a heavy episode.

Speaker 2 And, you know, listen, it's every time there's a heavy episode like this with Mary talking about her son in Salt Lake City, I think there's always these questions about like, you know, should they be talking about this?

Speaker 2 I've just kind of decided, I think it's very unfair for us as fans to like judge our favorite reality TV stars and pick and choose like what we think is kosher or okay to talk about or not.

Speaker 2 When like we demand great entertaining television and then when they give us like heavy, dramatic personal shit where we're watching and be like, I can't believe they're talking about this on TV.

Speaker 2 I just don't think we're in a position to judge.

Speaker 5 I agree, but I also, that's why I am a fan of the housewives, because I think that they end up talking about things that they show up.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that people are uncomfortable and are very real and do happen in the world. And people need to, and that to me is a opening for like a family or friend or relationship to have a conversation.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I just like, for me, Garcelle, like playing therapist, like trying to

Speaker 2 psychoanalyze her.

Speaker 2 Because, like, if I were to play a therapist, like just out of, just as a guest, like, it wouldn't surprise me at all if, like, you know, don't know a lot of background about Sutton's like upbringing, but it seemed like her dad was struggling with some mental health issues and some substance issues and things like that.

Speaker 2 And it sounded like a man, as a Sutton referenced, was sick.

Speaker 2 Wouldn't surprise me at all if maybe like her mom covered for her dad a lot in a lot of issues and maybe covered for him in ways that maybe like protected his memory. And, you know, who knows?

Speaker 2 That's definitely a possibility.

Speaker 2 And when like Sutton's mom was like, you're speaking on things you know nothing about, it really kind of gave that energy of us like, I'm sure Sutton has her opinion and she has her lived experience and she has her feelings, but her mom has her own as well.

Speaker 2 And I think often our kids grow up and they have a perception of a reality that may not be reality itself.

Speaker 2 And I don't know, like maybe, maybe that's a scenario where, like, cause Sutton clearly has this adoration for her father who's passed and this clear resentment for her mother and kind of opened up where she kind of low-key, you know, when she was like, there was a gun in the house and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 Like it was giving blame a little bit. And I've feel for Sutton, and I'm glad she could open up about that, but like, clearly, this was heavy.

Speaker 2 And again, knowing all this for Garcel to walk in there and start being like, we just met. Let me tell you what you're doing wrong as a mother.
Right.

Speaker 5 But do you think Garcel knew all of that baggage? I think, again, Garcel only knew what Sutton's.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't walk into a...

Speaker 5 You were like, I would know better to not bring that up.

Speaker 2 If I were to call out a mom for her, you know, I would want to know exactly what I'm dealing with. Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think the family who lived in Sutton's hometown knew that her father had killed himself?

Speaker 5 That was my first thought when they walked in the door. I was like, do they know?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 So anyways,

Speaker 2 used to live there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 My dad in that room that y'all love so much

Speaker 1 actually, I mean, I feel like that has to be in.

Speaker 1 There's no way they bring it up. It's got to be in like

Speaker 1 you sign, you close on the house and it's like, and there was a death in here. Like

Speaker 1 you've got to know that before you buy a house, right?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Don't they have to disclose? It's between, it's like state by state, but I know in California, I think it's like within three years of you purchasing it that you, they have to disclose it.

Speaker 1 And I think if you ask or if you inquire about it, that they have to disclose. That's my first question.

Speaker 1 Any house I've, we've, you know, been house shopping and it's like you go in and it's like, has anyone died here? I need to know that. Has anyone died here? Am I going to be haunted by ghosts?

Speaker 2 Do you believe in ghosts?

Speaker 5 I think anything's possible.

Speaker 1 You've never been in the same room with one?

Speaker 5 Well, we did go to this soccer camp, ODP soccer camp in Alabama at Montevalo. Do you know what Montevalo is?

Speaker 5 Is it a college?

Speaker 1 I think it's like a community college, I think.

Speaker 5 Maybe. Maybe.
But that's where the camp happened every year. And word on the street is that it's haunted.
So that's my only time that I have been in an area that was potentially haunted.

Speaker 5 And I will say it was a bit creepy.

Speaker 2 Do we know why it was haunted?

Speaker 5 I don't know. Some apparently, allegedly, there's this door that looks like flames and that a girl might have died in the room and that that showed up on the I don't know.

Speaker 1 Listen, fact check me who is listening being from Savannah I it's like the most haunted city in the United States or something is it that's what they say my sister lived had a house downtown Savannah and there was one room and there was for sure a ghost in there I mean like the dog would only bark in a corner of that room things would like lights would come on lights would go off ghosts are real okay can you bring back your Georgia accent only if I'm in Georgia and I need to like charm somebody why do you feel like you lost it do you think it's just like being around both my parents are from pittsburgh so i didn't grow up with like a georgia or a southern accent but in growing up in georgia i can do it if i need to and i can bust that out but you know we're not gonna do it on here

Speaker 1 all right what are you making of the whole paige and craig breakup uh

Speaker 5 well I just watched Southern Charm last night from, I think, last week and the farm

Speaker 2 scene.

Speaker 5 And I'm like, was that the moment that Paige said, you know what? I'm not interested

Speaker 2 in having a farm.

Speaker 2 And all the goats like nibbling on her designer shirt.

Speaker 5 She's like, yeah, like when she walked, when she started to step away from the bees, I was like, oh, she's out.

Speaker 1 She's just not interested in this at all.

Speaker 5 And I feel like they, when they started their relationship, they both were wanted the same things, right? Like grow their businesses, really dive in and lean into that aspect of life.

Speaker 5 And I think that they both have very clearly and have had great success. But I think now Craig is like, I'm at a point where I want a family.
I potentially want a farm.

Speaker 5 I bought bees, you know, and Paige is like, I still want to live in New York City and do my own thing. And I'm not ready for that.

Speaker 2 And I think that's very fair for both of them. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Him buying bees is.

Speaker 5 Well, he couldn't, he couldn't have chickens, so he went with the bees.

Speaker 2 But that's like, that's a move on the chessboard, you know? He was like, I'm going to buy these bees.

Speaker 1 That's a commitment.

Speaker 2 I mean, like, I think that was, like, that was like a, I feel like a passive aggressive move by Craig to be like. Towards Paige.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, to be like, I am.

Speaker 2 I'm settling down. It's just like, well, you won't, if we're not ready to get engaged, either way, I'm, I'm buying something that I have to nurture and take care of.
Right.

Speaker 1 It's not like, yeah, it's not like he adopted a cat.

Speaker 5 He was like, I mean business. I got bees.

Speaker 1 You can't just drop the bees off at a foster for a humane society.

Speaker 2 They need TLC.

Speaker 2 Some might say you could leave the bees, go on vacation, and it would be much easier than a cat it's true that's true i don't know i'm not i don't know much about the top right right or just yeah just

Speaker 1 i don't think i'm with you though i think honestly paige that was kind of like at that moment like just absolutely not no i i really was like i i'm very i would love to know like at what point did she start to be like this isn't the person and or the relationship that i want to like i wonder if honey at this point is triggering for her i love honey have you seen the summer house trailer yet there's a scene of Paige and Craig at dinner and like you can tell it's a heated conversation and she's just like, what am I supposed to apologize for being independent and like and successful saying like they clearly don't want the same things.

Speaker 1 But it's like, I think, yeah, we're seeing this the beginning of it and then we're going to start seeing that phase where it's like you're trying to talk yourself into it, but also don't have the energy to like pretend.

Speaker 5 We all know it.

Speaker 2 We do.

Speaker 5 We really know it. And it's, yeah, I

Speaker 2 just feel for Craig's broken heart. I just know.

Speaker 5 Oh, he's for sure going through it right now. He is, he was.

Speaker 2 And she is moving on. She's moved on.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's holding hands.

Speaker 5 But to be fair, if it happened on Thanksgiving, what is today? February, like it's been two plus months or almost two months, right?

Speaker 2 Listen, I think people have the right to break up. And they have the right to move on.
Well, I mean, you know, when it comes to public figure breakups, people act like they don't. No, that's not.

Speaker 2 There always has to be a villain, you know, and I don't think there needs to be a villain.

Speaker 2 But, you know, if you have a very public relationship and you are being public with your dating moving on is a choice.

Speaker 2 And I, and I, I've been in Paige's shoes before and I, you know, I'm not saying one's better than the other. I've made a different choice to like go out of my way to like not, you know.

Speaker 1 I think there were also two breakups. There was the one in November and then the one when she announced it on their podcast.

Speaker 5 That's a really good point.

Speaker 1 And it's like he could have healed. And then now to have the whole world know and questioning and seeing her date and seeing all this, it's like he's going through it again.

Speaker 5 Wouldn't you say, didn't he, wasn't he seen with somebody or presenting single out in the world? Therefore, she felt like, okay, well, then I'm going to announce it.

Speaker 2 I don't know the details of that or if he just was like out and at a bar and there was a picture of

Speaker 2 women there.

Speaker 2 He's around the opposite sex. He's moved on.
He's single. Well, Paige seems like she's like in a relationship.
What do you think? I don't know if she's holding hands.

Speaker 2 Like, apparently she's posting selfies in her bedroom where like, his stuff is, you know, the sleuths are sleuthing.

Speaker 5 Oh, oh, wow. We have the

Speaker 5 colour.

Speaker 2 And apparently, like, apparently his man purse is in the background. Who is this man?

Speaker 1 Joe D'Amelio.

Speaker 2 Secret movie.

Speaker 1 He works for sports marketing for the NFL.

Speaker 2 He doesn't want to move to South Carolina. Okay.
Does he live in New York? I think so.

Speaker 2 Or Philly. He doesn't have honeybees.
Check one off the list. He doesn't have honeybees.

Speaker 2 No honeybees.

Speaker 5 Not interested in farm life.

Speaker 1 Are you into southern hospitality at all? Have you gotten into that?

Speaker 5 I haven't. Were you a vanderpump rules so i only got into vanderpump because of scandal

Speaker 5 yes and i had to go back and watch all of the season like scandival happened and cameron was like you you will not believe what is going on and so then i had to go back re-watch it all listen to all y'all's episodes because i was like i need to hear what they're thinking these perspectives point of view insane where did you land did you listen to the episode with tom sandoval on this i think i did Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That was.
He wasn't he late or something? That's what I remember the most from that episode because I'm just, I can't lay.

Speaker 1 He was late and came in with the photo of him with the like endangered species tiger.

Speaker 2 What? And like

Speaker 1 reframed and was like, here you go, Nick. And Schwartz was like, absolutely not.
Absolutely not. Get this out of here.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 5 Oh, my God. I've been, I've been enjoying watching him on Traders, though.

Speaker 2 I really am too.

Speaker 5 Do you think he makes it to the end? No.

Speaker 2 No. No.

Speaker 5 No. Not smart enough?

Speaker 2 No. Okay.
No. I think he's gonna make it far enough until he I think he will make it farther than most people think he'll make it because he's not a threat, right?

Speaker 1 No one's taking any of his theories seriously. Although he did

Speaker 1 oppose Boston Ross, right?

Speaker 5 He shot down the giant,

Speaker 2 and it was all him.

Speaker 5 He's the only one who came up with that.

Speaker 1 I do think he will not broken clocks.

Speaker 1 I think he'll get murdered. I don't think he'll get voted out.

Speaker 1 Like, I think that will be his, his exit will be murdered because he just like won't shut up about Danielle or Carolyn or one of the new traitors.

Speaker 1 And they'll be like, oh, my God, we just got to kill Tom because he just won't shut up about us. Like, I don't think everyone at the roundtable is going to be like, Tom, you're a traitor.

Speaker 1 We got to vote you out.

Speaker 2 Do you find him in any way endearing?

Speaker 5 I did during the bug game when he was holding hands with Dylan because I like love Dylan. And when he was just, I think it's like when the bugs rain down and they're all in his hat and he's just like.

Speaker 2 How would you be with those? Critters.

Speaker 1 I would probably have to keep my eyes closed.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It would not. I don't think it would be that.

Speaker 2 I was really impressed with Dylan. Yeah.

Speaker 2 i was like that's a man also sam yeah sam sam was like cute look at my little tailless scorpion i've never seen one before you know it was so exciting he's like look at i think it likes you more than me it's crawling off my hand and he was like naming them while they take them home it was so sweet

Speaker 5 i don't know if i could have done that really oh there's oh i could do that over like an eating challenge for sure

Speaker 5 you know

Speaker 2 sure yeah or like on the challenge that's an i'd rather have bugs on me than manny's. Would you rather

Speaker 1 eat a bug or have them on you?

Speaker 2 The snake would have the bugs, the bugs wouldn't have mattered to me. The snakes, I would have the big old snake, I would have.

Speaker 5 Yeah, do we think Sierra had any idea that it was a snake? You know how her eyes were closed the whole time, and she was just like, What is this?

Speaker 2 What were the other options?

Speaker 5 I don't know how, like, what are they thinking? Like, a weighted blanket?

Speaker 2 Like, what is it?

Speaker 1 Like, we're giving you a neck pillow, a weighted neck pillow for the airplane ride home through

Speaker 5 it says traders on it.

Speaker 2 It moves, it's a memorability grave. Yeah, Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I don't know what else you could think it was.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But honestly, I feel like in that scenario, ignorance is bliss. And just being like, I don't know what it is.
I don't want to know what it is.

Speaker 1 If anyone would have said a snake, I probably would have freaked out. But in my own head, I probably would have been telling myself.
Waited. It's a weighted eye pillow.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, I would be under the assumption that the producers would never do anything that would actually harm me.
Therefore,

Speaker 5 it is truly just my own fear getting in the way. And I need to get over that.

Speaker 1 Did you ever do special forces?

Speaker 5 I would.

Speaker 2 Have you been asked?

Speaker 5 I have not. So if you know anybody.
I do. I'm curious.
I want to know your thoughts. I listen to.

Speaker 2 I think you need to go. Really? Especially someone like you who, like, I don't know you, but I would imagine you're competitive.

Speaker 2 I imagine that you like testing your limits and seeing what you're capable of.

Speaker 2 Now that you're retired, maybe there's a void in your life at times, feeling like, you know, pushing yourself to the next level. And like, it very much will offer,

Speaker 2 it's a rewarding experience. I'll say that.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, it looks very rewarding.

Speaker 2 It looks terrible. Literal torture.
Truly. Make no mistake.
It's not like torture. No, no, no.
It's just. It's literal torture of them putting you through a real-life military simulation.

Speaker 5 Were you minute by minute by the end just being like, every, like, I just got to

Speaker 2 get through one minute. One minute.
Five, more like five. Literal, like, if I'm being literal.
Five minute income. Five, five minute interviews.

Speaker 5 Like I've survived another.

Speaker 2 Just like, just don't quit.

Speaker 5 do you feel like they had

Speaker 5 for instance me saying i know the producers on traders wouldn't put any bugs that are actually going like it's a well that was just about to do you feel like you did things that you were like i could die no you learn on special forces uh bodie miller

Speaker 2 my season yes olympic yeah yeah

Speaker 2 and he was like very helpful because like he's just he kind of does stuff like he was like definitely the the dad of the of the unit and he talked about the difference between uh being scared and being unsafe like they know the difference between fear and safety.

Speaker 2 And so that premise of like, we knew we were safe doing these very scary things. Okay.
You did. You did feel safe.
I did feel safe. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Because some of these, I'm kind of like, that could go.

Speaker 2 There's more injuries.

Speaker 5 The one where they, this season where they jumped off the bridge and then it caught without any slack. I'm like, did they all get whiplash? Are they okay? And then they started to swing.

Speaker 5 I'm like, you go a little bit of degree off from the path. You're hitting.

Speaker 2 It's not without risk. But for the most part, I did feel safe.
Okay. No, that makes you feel good.

Speaker 2 the challenges that was the fun part so the miserable part was like what sleeping at night no image they don't show a lot of like even like the boat races or like the endurance stuff they're showing a fraction of it it looks like you're watching 10 minutes it was three hours you're waking up at 7 a.m and until midnight you're you're going 150 did you train for it i had like two weeks really

Speaker 2 Yeah, so not really. I mean, I basically was working out three days a week and I like upped it to like four days a week.

Speaker 2 You might as well do it.

Speaker 2 I didn't really do any training. Like a week before, I started taking like cold baths to try to like, you know, but I was hyperthermic for three days in a row.
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 On day five, they woke up and like did this, what they call a beasting and they, you know, the obstacle course and they had to like jump in freezing water.

Speaker 2 And I just, there was a scene where Aaron had to put me in the hot shower. They flipped it around and made it seem like it was at night when I was in the morning.

Speaker 2 But from that moment on, I just, I might not warm up. I couldn't warm up because they're also decreasing your calories throughout the week so you're working

Speaker 2 yeah no and it's prison that was the hardest part it's prison like it's prison food it's disgusting prison food there's no comfort there's no it's it's literal like and it's a test of your will it's a test how many days

Speaker 2 eight to ten depending on the course but they'll be people act like they're every time they're only eight days it's eight days of pure torture yeah no it sounds like it yeah even watching from home i'm like this looks miserable yeah and you can leave whenever you want do you think hot version or cold version is harder?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 well, I was hypothermic, and that really sucked.

Speaker 2 I would say the cold version.

Speaker 2 The thing with the heat, though, it's like one of those things, like the heat can catch up on, you know, like if you don't hydrate enough and something happens, you could get like medically withdrawn.

Speaker 2 All of a sudden, you get heat stroke or something. Like, so I think that that could put someone at risk of like it catching up with you quicker.

Speaker 5 Were you ever at risk because you were hypothermic?

Speaker 2 Uh, the doctor called me in once and was like, are you okay? But you need a warm-up.

Speaker 2 They're just like, is it going to get harder? But they're like, they checked in with me. Okay.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 5 you know, they how much running did you have to do? This is me just quizzing you. I just want to know.

Speaker 2 It was a lot of run. It was.

Speaker 5 Cause I like can't really run anymore. So I might not.

Speaker 2 It's you're you're running with a 40-pound back. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Probably would make it even more difficult.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That part's hard. So you're not like sprinting, but you're,

Speaker 2 I mean, you're always kind of shuffle. Yeah.
If you need to. Dude, there was never like an all-out.
It's like an always.

Speaker 1 They just want to see you do the best that you can. They just don't want to see you like trying to slack out.

Speaker 2 That's true. Yeah.
It's like if you're like, I can't sprint, but like I'm doing the best I can.

Speaker 2 Then like, yeah, I'll yell at you, but they definitely won't like disqualify you for not sprinting.

Speaker 5 No, it's definitely one of the shows that I would be interested in. That and Traders.
I would love to go on Traders. You need to go on Traders.

Speaker 5 I heard you saying that they hit you up last year, right?

Speaker 2 They've hit me up a couple times? A couple times. Right, why not? Well, up until this point, it's been tough with a show.
I'm busy, you know, and

Speaker 2 Nali was pregnant. Yeah, it just hasn't been easy to get away.
Someday, I hope I get the chance where it works out for both parties. Maybe we'll do it together.

Speaker 5 That would be so fun. I would love that.

Speaker 2 Would you rather be a trader or a faithful?

Speaker 5 I would be the worst trader in the entire world.

Speaker 2 I don't think I'd be a good trader. I think I would be much better at catching.

Speaker 5 Same. I think that I can reason, but maybe it's because I'm sitting on the couch knowing who the traders are.
I'm like, obviously, this reason that they're doing it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think there's a lot. From a Viora standpoint, I think they're making us feel smarter than we should be.
For sure.

Speaker 5 And then you get in there and it's probably just a mind fuck.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's what every time we interview one, that's kind of what they say when we're like, it's so obvious, Danielle. And they're like, it's really not.

Speaker 1 Like, we've definitely thought her a few times, but like, it's not as obvious.

Speaker 5 To be fair, though, Danielle is more obvious than Carolyn right now.

Speaker 2 Oh, 100%. But only because we know.

Speaker 5 No, because of some of the things that she's done during the competitions. When she didn't pick herself for the picture.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 We all know that she's a traitor. So we're watching that through the lens of why would she have to do that?

Speaker 1 Even they were like, no, that was suspicious. Why didn't she?

Speaker 5 But then nobody went went down that path.

Speaker 2 But keep in mind, editing. True.
So they're going back and all of these, like, yeah, she did that are in these post-moment interviews. Like, we call them IT.
That's good point.

Speaker 2 So they're going back and interviewing them. And like, isn't it suspicious that like Danielle was crying and like, oh, no, only saving herself? They're like, yeah, it was suspicious.

Speaker 5 No, you're like, you know what's happening. You've been in this position.
So you're like, the producers are feeding them these questions.

Speaker 2 Potentially. I'm just saying we don't know that's not the case.
And everyone we have talked to, and we'll talk to Boston Rob in about 20 minutes if you have time.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 5 I would love to just even sit in the room and hear what he has to say.

Speaker 2 But yeah, the feedback has been like, we had no fucking clue it was Danielle. And yeah, you all think that like we should have known, but like she really had us, you know, fooled.

Speaker 5 I can't believe you don't think you'd be a good trader. I actually think he'd be really good at it.

Speaker 2 I'm not, I don't like to lie. I really liked it.
I neither. I would crumble.
I'm not a good liar.

Speaker 2 You know, I've said this on this show before, and people were like, but you did the best in the interrogation at special forces. It's like, you know, that's not like not the same.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're like playing a role, which I guess my thing, when I first started watching Traders, the way I thought, I was like, wow, this is kind of messed up.

Speaker 5 Like, people are actually able to lie face to face with people, you know, just consistently. You're just lying the whole time if you're a trader.

Speaker 5 But then I was like, no, they're playing a game, Kelly. Like, that is the game.
And if you get tapped to be a trader, you then have to be like, to win this game, the only thing I can do is lie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to think of it as like, I am an Oscar-winning actor.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 1 And I'm filming a movie.

Speaker 2 This is my moment.

Speaker 5 And I will shine.

Speaker 1 Yes. Not like I'm lying to my closest loved ones.

Speaker 2 Yes, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I would be curious how I could do as a traitor, but

Speaker 2 I would have a lot of fun hunting the traitors.

Speaker 5 I feel like, yeah, I feel like I would be way calmer if I was a faithful. If I was a traitor, I would be so stressed the whole time.

Speaker 5 I would be thinking, I'm like, did I do something that they now think they saw me scratch my ear and like turn left, you know?

Speaker 2 Not to pivot, because we'll jump back to Traders when we have Boston Robom. Can we go back to Beverly Hills Housewives for a second?

Speaker 2 Like where do you land on Darit and PK's divorce, specifically around the friendship with Kyle? Right. Because after last night's episode, it's really getting messy.
Like

Speaker 2 the divorce. Like I thought this was like first I was like, okay, they're separating for the show.
Oh, you thought? I mean, I didn't really know. I mean, it's possible in TV world.
Sure, sure.

Speaker 2 And then we have like, we have Mo and Kyle, like they are getting divorced, but they're still like keeping the family together. That's always very confusing every time they get together.

Speaker 2 We're like, why can't they get back together? Because they're always so civil and

Speaker 2 thinking about the family.

Speaker 2 I don't know, like, up until like the past two episodes, it turns out that like, I thought PK was just like the manager of Boy George and he's wearing track suits and like trying to embezzle money from England.

Speaker 2 And then next thing you know, you got, you got Garcelle and Bose. But no, it was, who was the one who told Dorit to like that PK is buying up all the lawyers in LA? Oh, that was Bose.

Speaker 5 That was Bose.

Speaker 2 Okay. And I was like, where does PK have this power to like to get all the, all the, all the divorce? I know, I was like, oh, that seems expensive.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How many does he need? Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what? What? That wouldn't even cross my mind.

Speaker 5 I will say I have appreciated how outspoken Erica has been, or just she's tried to help Darit in this time and giving her advice because it's clearly necessary.

Speaker 5 I don't know if I'm just like missing something, but the 10-year mark is coming up and he's trying to divorce her before that because they have a prenub in place and he wants that prenub to be what decides the divorce or not.

Speaker 2 My understanding just watching the show, so we're just going, we're both going off about the show, but my, my recollection of that scene was apparently in the city of California, I don't know this to be true, that regardless of whatever pre-nub you have, that if you are married for 10 years or more, split 50-50.

Speaker 2 Because California in general is one of two states, Wisconsin and the other one. It's a 50-50.

Speaker 2 You know, basically every state has their own prenuptial laws. Like, yes.
If you don't have a prenup, you have a prenup.

Speaker 1 It's just.

Speaker 2 You have a prenup, it's just by state. In California, it says you get married immediately.
Everything is 50-50.

Speaker 2 In California, it's like, you can, sure, you can have a prenup, but if you make it 10 years, you got to follow our rules, is my understanding of what they said.

Speaker 2 And apparently, they're coming up on their 10-year mark.

Speaker 5 But my question is, who's that in favor for if they were to end up with her?

Speaker 1 Oh, does he want her money?

Speaker 5 Yeah. I'm like, is he drawing that out?

Speaker 2 I don't know. Because, Because like, yeah, she is a Beverly Hills housewives.

Speaker 2 They all like to pretend that these people don't have jobs, but like, I would guess the Beverly Hills housewives are probably some of the highest paid housewives

Speaker 2 in Bravo Nation or just Bravo talent in general. And again, like, I know PK, like, manages boy George, but what is this man? Like, what does he do?

Speaker 2 Doesn't it like the past two episodes make the relationship between PK and Kyle like that much more like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 If they're still texting, yeah.

Speaker 2 Dorit and Kyle are supposed to be friends.

Speaker 2 And I get that, like, Kyle and PK have become friends over the years of this marriage you still have Mo and PK hanging out but if PK really is playing dirty and trying to screw his wife and his you know and just you know go to the mattresses as they say like that seems really fucked up that Kyle is maintaining this relationship with PK while PK is trying to basically screw over his wife financially.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't disagree, but I think what's funnier is that, not this, that wasn't funny, I don't know know why I said that.

Speaker 2 Is that Darit at that dinner?

Speaker 5 And this is why I'm like, maybe Kyle doesn't realize how bad it is. One, I don't think she does realize maybe the dirtyness playing, whatever behind the scenes between Darit and PK that's happening.

Speaker 5 But Bose and Erica being like, honey, he's placating, like, he is trying to calm you down

Speaker 5 to catch you off guard to then take you for all like, but again, I'm like, which, who's, who's trying to get divorced quicker?

Speaker 2 PK. It sounds like PK.

Speaker 1 It sounds like PK's trying to get divorced quicker because he's trying to not go over the 10 years.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 And he said in this all speculation. No, this is what he said.

Speaker 1 That was said on the show that he was, uh, that he texted her saying, like, I want you to be able to take over the house and the kids, whatever it is, within like the next couple of months, that you're fully responsible for it.

Speaker 1 And that's a text message that he sent to Darit. So that says to me, like, I'm trying to separate our finances, trying to separate any responsibility that I have with you.

Speaker 1 So therefore, we are separated, going straight into divorce.

Speaker 1 At the same time, I don't know if it's possible because I feel like getting a divorce in California is like one of the harder things to move along. Like, I feel like it's always like a year or so out.

Speaker 2 Or if someone wants to delay it, they can.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you can't get, yeah, you can't get like an expedite on divorce.

Speaker 5 Like, if he was to serve her divorce papers before the 10 years, does that constitute ideas?

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 5 Like, does that mean that they beat the 10-year mark?

Speaker 1 Was that not the most confusing conversation to follow? With Dariette being like, he, he, we had a conversation.

Speaker 5 And he was normal TK.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was like, no, he didn't say that.
It was that, it was she, he, they were saying that.

Speaker 1 And then the kids were, I, we, Nick and I were like, do you follow what the fuck they're talking about?

Speaker 2 I didn't even confuse the story ever.

Speaker 1 But then finally they were like, no, when they broke it down of like, he is trying to like corner you and calm you down so that you don't strike back, it all made sense.

Speaker 2 But for a while there, I was like, whoa, whoa, did we, whoa, did they get divorced? Yeah, where are they now? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, is it current, present time?

Speaker 2 And also, when was their wedding date? Oh, good question.

Speaker 5 Look it up. Is that public information?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Gotta be.
It's gotta be. Gotta be.

Speaker 1 They got married in New York March of 2015 and separated in May of 2024.

Speaker 5 So they're not divorced yet.

Speaker 2 But they're coming up on it. But they can't still March.
March is 10.

Speaker 5 And again, we don't know if it's for the benefit of PK or the benefit of three, but we're assuming PK doesn't want to split 50-50.

Speaker 2 Well, these

Speaker 2 actions, and again, we're all going off what we're learning from reality TV, so who knows? Yes.

Speaker 2 But that is suggesting that his actions are suggesting he wants to avoid this 10-year mark.

Speaker 5 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 And who knows what PK is worth? I don't know.

Speaker 2 Again, I'm a big believer that if you wear a full track suit and you're not an athlete and you're a white old guy, then you're probably an organized crime.

Speaker 1 He also has, this is, Dorit will be his second ex-wife.

Speaker 2 No

Speaker 5 He has might be onto something.

Speaker 1 He has a wife an ex-wife and three children with somebody else that he also only stayed married to for nine years, but she's in England.

Speaker 1 No, so I don't think they have the same like statute of limitation.

Speaker 2 But yeah, he stayed married. He's got how many kids? This is three.

Speaker 1 All right, he's got two kids with Dorit and three with his ex-wife.

Speaker 2 Wow, talk about dropping a bomb.

Speaker 1 You know, somebody's got a lot of people.

Speaker 1 Is that why he goes to London a lot?

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 To see his other kids.

Speaker 5 You're also onto something.

Speaker 1 They never talk about that.

Speaker 5 Are we all just in England?

Speaker 2 Well, either way, him and Mo are still like best friends.

Speaker 5 Well, that part of the episode was Mo was leaving for Europe, was going to go to meditation, and then like go party with PK in the South of France.

Speaker 2 And they're like, okay. Oh, PK is seeing the type of women that Mo's hanging out with, and he's like, I want some of that.

Speaker 5 He's like, I will be attending that trip.

Speaker 2 He acts like he is equal. He's like, when we're going to Aspen, Mo?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was like, not this time, PK.

Speaker 2 Oh, geez. Anything else you're watching and joining? Are you watching Severance?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 2 Oh, Kelly.

Speaker 1 Is it?

Speaker 2 You haven't seen it? It's dark, right? No. Really? Dark? No.
Oh, okay. Well, then I can.
It's a little mind trippy. Okay.

Speaker 5 It's fascinating. I like mind trippy.

Speaker 2 Yeah. In no way dark.
Not yet, right? No. Have you? Has anyone seen it? Nobody? I don't think dark.
No? Okay, good.

Speaker 1 I don't like a few moments of like, ooh.

Speaker 2 Give it three episodes. You're going to have, you know, because at first.
But it's season two, right? Yeah. Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 So I need to watch season one.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Right.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I can do that.
It's a no-phone show.

Speaker 2 Oh, you really need to pick it up.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Locked in.

Speaker 5 Well, I'm able to do that if I know that.

Speaker 2 Because the overall premise is super bizarre and weird. And they kind of slow,

Speaker 2 they introduce the premise early on, but you're kind of like, I still don't really understand what this means.

Speaker 2 And basically every episode from episode one to like season, like now we're like an episode four, season two, is like more information of like what this concept means in this world.

Speaker 2 And it's just kind of a mind fuck. Cool.
And by Kanye, it's awesome. I could be interested.
You should watch it. Okay.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 5 She's shaking her head. She knows I won't commit.
I'm like, I'm classic for starting a TV show and then never finishing it.

Speaker 2 What's your favorite like scripted show that you really got into?

Speaker 5 That you've the only ones that I've watched from start to finish are like Gossip Girl,

Speaker 5 Entourage.

Speaker 2 Gossip Girl. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 2 That was like, was that high school for me? No. Was it? Oh, God.
Yeah. When was it? When did it come out? Ah.
Ah, ah.

Speaker 2 2007. Ah! Oh, I was in college.
I was in college. Who are your faves?

Speaker 5 Ed Westwick, is that his name?

Speaker 2 Chuck bass.

Speaker 2 What a character. I was in a class with him once.
How was he? I didn't really pay much attention.

Speaker 5 So, you guys didn't spar?

Speaker 2 No, we were both hitting backs.

Speaker 5 You were like, come on, Chuck.

Speaker 2 Let's get in the ring. I didn't watch Gossip Girl.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Didn't interest you?

Speaker 2 I just, yeah, I guess I didn't really know about it, to be honest.

Speaker 2 Like, I i guess i feel like it was playing with the worms no nick was like 50 when it came out there you go it's like you definitely was wasn't his i was a junior in high school do you have any opinion what's going on with the hill justin beldoni blake lively literally i feel like there's so many things that are coming out that i'm like i i'm gonna let them handle it

Speaker 5 i'm gonna hear it i'm gonna i'm going to when you guys get to the end of this I would love to have a recap and understand how we got to

Speaker 5 the last square.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
Because it's just taking a while to get there. Yeah.
There definitely is a lot. And I think there will continue to be more and more.
I just forgot, Blake Live. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 More and more information. Yeah, that's

Speaker 2 the only reason why I asked. Yeah, sure, sure.
That's the only reason why I asked, but yeah, it's kind of real time.

Speaker 5 It just seemed messy from the beginning, and it's just getting messier. And I don't get it.
I'm like, I just.

Speaker 1 It is interesting that a judge like ordered Justin and his team to like shut the fuck up. Oh, did he? He was like, see, I'm not.

Speaker 1 He's like, we will never get a jury that is like unbiased if you keep putting stuff out there.

Speaker 2 like you've got to stop it's got to like all be in court i'm just kind of surprised that everyone's really ignoring the fact that he clearly like hired a crisis pr team to do exactly what's being done online to like basically destroy her and everyone's just kind of focusing on if like blake's kind of like difficult to work with really yeah

Speaker 2 you know the internet doesn't love a woman you know so pretty easy for the internet the new the new there's a new clip going around and it's like it's like from a couple years ago or something and it's like she's like a forbes conference or something.

Speaker 2 I don't, something like that. And she's talking about her career.
And Justin's team's narrative is basically like, you know, she's, she tried to take over the project.

Speaker 2 She's, she gave her opinions when it wasn't wanted or something. That's kind of the narrative.
I'm sorry. It's quite, it's wild.
No.

Speaker 2 She took over, you know, even though like, you know, Kurt Russell famously like directed Teamstone when he didn't direct it and everyone sings his praises.

Speaker 2 But anyways, so like in this conference, Blake's like talking about how like, you know, as a actor in Hollywood and as a woman, she at times like struggled to like feel like people valued her opinion.

Speaker 2 And she kind of had to speak up and assert herself, you know, to be heard. And now that's being used against her.
And people are like, see,

Speaker 2 see, tried to take over the project. Meanwhile, there's like this ET interview of Justin Beldoni from a couple months ago talking about like playing this.

Speaker 2 character Ryle, who like his character is an abusive yes, I read the book.

Speaker 5 Hey, that's why I think I just was like, I'm not participating in this movie in anything.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 And in this interview, Justin's basically describing method acting. He's, and he's talking about how

Speaker 2 as this character, he, he took these chances. And basically, he's basically, he's telling on himself, describing like, I didn't run this by Blake.
I just decided to like lean in.

Speaker 2 And he was like, and then sometimes I would get this like uncomfortable look from Blake. And then I would know.
And I'm like, you're, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he's like describing the very thing that she's accusing him of.

Speaker 2 And no one's paying attention to that. Meanwhile, everyone's like, yep, see, she tried to take over the project because like she wanted to be heard.
Anyways, we are definitely in the minority.

Speaker 2 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 5 Because you guys are Team Blake.

Speaker 2 I'm not Team Justin. Got it.
Okay. But I think you have a healthy approach.

Speaker 2 I think.

Speaker 2 Let me just wait till the end. Between now and then, I think there's just going to be more and more mess and mess and mess and mess.
And we'll just have to wait to see if it actually goes to trial.

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Speaker 5 I started. A show with Justin WinSports just launched.
Sports are fun. We launched two weeks ago.

Speaker 5 And a big part of like the format and how we set it up is based on this because I really enjoy how this has evolved.

Speaker 5 And it's multiple perspectives and voices talking about pop culture, but we obviously talk about sports. So we set it up in a way to have like, I have like a dedicated co-host and great idea.

Speaker 5 She's very basketball. I'm obviously soccer.
We hired an intern, DJ Beckwith. He's like a star.
He's in fashion. He's not even like in sports, but loves women's sports.

Speaker 5 So yeah, that's why I was like, I love y'all's show, just how it's set up. And then we pulled elements from it to make ours.

Speaker 2 I'm pleasured.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I didn't want to tell you that.

Speaker 2 That's very cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It really worked for us. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think it's great. That's why I enjoy

Speaker 5 listening because so many are like

Speaker 5 two weeks ago. Yeah.
Sports are fun. Like

Speaker 5 subscribe, follow. It's on Just Women's Sports channels, and it's our weekly studio show covering women's sports.
Comes out every Tuesday.

Speaker 2 Can you find it on Apple? Apple. Yep.

Speaker 5 It's on YouTube. It's on anywhere you can find or listen to your podcasts.
And we're just... Gabbing sports, chit-chatting like friends, hanging out.
Yeah, whatever's blowing up in the group chat.

Speaker 2 What did you think about

Speaker 2 Sam, Brittany Espears' accent traders?

Speaker 5 He's flying on the radar.

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 5 And I haven't listened to his going deeper, but I want to because I like, I just saw the snippets on Instagram.

Speaker 2 After interviewing him, and by the way, if you're listening, that episode came out yesterday, so you can listen to it, check it out.

Speaker 2 But like, you realize how much he's flying under the radar because he's very comfortable letting people think that he's like the dumb model. Oh, smart.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 But it seemed like he had some interesting things to say on your

Speaker 2 he's a fascinating story. Yeah.
just migrated here from Iran as a kid and like he was like everyone's saying there's a gag order about me and Brittany there is no gag order we were like say more

Speaker 5 keep jogging well

Speaker 5 before I get to Rob wait I forgot coming in here that you were on Ben Higgins season of the best oh my god yeah I was on it lol not a contestant not a contestant yeah yeah we taught you play soccer yeah Alex and I Alex Morgan and I um we were tasked with a group date and teaching the girls soccer.

Speaker 5 And the one thing I remember many things from that day, but the one thing that stands out in my mind beforehand, Alex was like, you know, I'm going to ask in the opening scene when we're saying hi to the women, have any of you guys played soccer?

Speaker 5 She's going to ask. And I was like, oh, yeah, like for sure.
There's 12, 15 girls here. One of them has to have played soccer.
Has to. Has to, like, just based on statistics alone in America.

Speaker 2 Even in like park rack back in the day. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 She asked that and we're both like being like, oh my gosh, we can't wait to see a little soccer. Like, who's going to be the soccer player in the group? Not one hand goes up.
Nobody says they had.

Speaker 5 We were like, oh.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Starting from the basics.

Speaker 5 Okay. So this is a soccer ball and this is how you kick it.

Speaker 2 Use your feet.

Speaker 2 No hands unless you put an angle. I'm a little surprised by that.

Speaker 5 Same.

Speaker 2 I was like, where'd they find these girls?

Speaker 5 Interesting. I was shocked, but it was, it was really.
interesting. And another thing I remember, we were sitting waiting in the green room.
It was like a locker room.

Speaker 5 And we had on, they came and mic'd us up. And as they were like leaving the room, I took my mic pack and like turned it off and put it back in my pocket or whatever at the my waistband.

Speaker 5 And I don't know if it was a producer or like Chris Harrison. He was like, you'd never be cast on the show.

Speaker 2 You're too smart for this.

Speaker 5 Like, you know that you can turn your like mic pack off, you know, and stuff like that. And then like another thing was producers took Alex and I aside to do interviews.

Speaker 5 And the way that they feed you questions, you can very clearly see how some of these girls say.

Speaker 5 outlandish things because of because they don't even know what they're speaking about right they're just like reiterating like they're basically just re saying what has been asked to them.

Speaker 5 Like one of them was like, Do you think that some of these girls look like baby giraffes out there? And I was like, no.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm not going to give you what you want.

Speaker 2 Yeah. They'll be like, wasn't it really rude and really inconsiderate for Becky to interrupt Aaron? And they're like, yeah, no, totally.
It was rude.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You're right.

Speaker 2 No, you're right. Honestly, I would be pretty pissed off.
Yeah. Yeah.
She sucks.

Speaker 2 And then all you get that is the, she sucks.

Speaker 2 And then sometimes you get it it when, like, they, they could be saying that week two, you know, and now, and now it's week, and now it's no, not even flashback, now it's week 10.

Speaker 2 Oh, and they're recapping a date, and then you hear the person's voice talking about them, and you're not thinking because, you know, you're on your phone, you're watching the TV show, and you're just like, oh, I can't believe they said that.

Speaker 2 And it's like, they could have said that whenever

Speaker 2 about anything else. It's really kind of, it's, it's fascinating.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's produced.

Speaker 2 It did remind me of a time, though, actually, one of the showrunners now who used to be a showrunner for the Canadian Bachelor. Oh, when I have that up there?

Speaker 2 They used to it. I don't know how well it's doing anymore.

Speaker 2 But when I was the bachelor, they had like, they had all like the franchise. Yeah, they have like, they have Bachelor Finland, they have Bachelor Australia,

Speaker 2 they have all these franchises. Of course they do.
And so they brought in all the showrunners from all around the world to like, you know, I don't do like a meet or greet.

Speaker 2 And I was the current bachelor, so they asked me to show up and just kind of meet people. And I was talking to the Canadian executives.

Speaker 2 and it was really fascinating to hear them talking because, like, unlike a lot of my peers, like, I, well, I do recognize that there's a lot of editing and like they can do and say crazy shit, there's also like no gun to your head.

Speaker 2 Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 You show up, you, you have agency. You can say no, you know, you can be like, Yeah, I don't want to do that or say that or whatever.

Speaker 2 And, like, what the producers are there to do, and what they're, they're more, what they're mostly notorious for doing is making you feel good about bad decisions.

Speaker 2 You know, they're not going to stop you making from bad decisions.

Speaker 2 But I remember talking to these executives and just how they were like, yeah, you know, honestly, like everyone blames producers, but like the edits are, they're, they're completely accurate.

Speaker 2 You know, they were just like dying on this vine. Right.
And I'm thinking like, I'm talking to the person who's in charge of the edit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm like, well, yeah, it's accurate to you because you're watching the show through like your point of view, like your opinion about these people. You get to control the edit.

Speaker 2 So like in your world, in your mind, it's completely accurate.

Speaker 2 But like, you know it's just like the confidence that even the producers had in themselves because like i've had talked to a lot of producers that have since left the show and some of them have like a lot of like guilt yeah i was gonna say there's a lot there's a lot of it's a spectrum of justifications like right and like some of the producers don't do crazy weird shit and some of them are like sadistic do you get tat like do you get paired up with a producer like somebody's like that's that's your girl no that's your guy it's more like you know like you do become friends with the producers And if you kind of connect with one, and that producer will become your producer.

Speaker 2 But that's more because like purely, it's like, hey, John trusts you. So like you should work with John and like get the most out of John.

Speaker 2 You know, meanwhile, like they're not, the producers are pretending to be friends. Ooh, rough.
Shady. Yeah.
But it does go both ways.

Speaker 2 And I will say that because the contestants also pretend to be the producers' friends because

Speaker 2 they stop reaching out to the producers when the producers stop giving them things. Oh.

Speaker 1 Well, let's ask ask Boston Rob what he thinks of the producers of Trader.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, Boston Rob is ready to go.
Let's bring him up.

Speaker 2 Rob.

Speaker 2 Boston Rob.

Speaker 6 What's up? Did it work?

Speaker 2 Wow, it worked. It worked.
It worked.

Speaker 2 My wife, what did you say before you came on?

Speaker 1 That like high school me is quaking.

Speaker 1 I'm unwell to be looking at your face right now and talking to you.

Speaker 1 You're an icon. You're a legend.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'm looking at that artwork in the background. Okay, so Boston Red Saw.
Oh, that's very cool.

Speaker 6 My wife got me that as a wedding present a lot of years ago. A lot, a lot of years ago now.

Speaker 2 That's great. Really kind of owning that Boston Rob name.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Rob, we obviously loved watching you on Traders. I'm not someone who watched Survivor, so I was I was new to who you were.

Speaker 2 And as someone who has been on Reality T V before, like, I just gotta say, you really are truly a reality T V star.

Speaker 2 Like, you I think there's a lot of people who go on these shows and like everyone who goes on Reality T V is just like given the title of reality tv star but there are some stars and there are some people who show up but like damn man you dominated the first how many how many episodes has it been it's been the rob show yeah and i gotta say i'm just really impressed you you you you've been fun to watch i'm a bit worried going forward you know like why are we gonna give a shit but anyways i just want to say it's a much respect you were a force uh in that show and uh it's been very cool man what did you think of the episode fun to do you know like it was it was a different experience they'd been asking me since the first season to do it and just like timing and everything else i kind of wanted to see what it was about first and then this season it worked out and uh you know despite the result i'm still happy that i went i had a i had a great time and it was a lot of fun look it i've been doing these things for over two decades now so i can't really go into any of these competition type shows without having a big target on me.

Speaker 6 So I kind of expected to feel the heat from the beginning. And we made the most of it, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, you really did. Did you feel like you were forced to play as aggressively as you did?

Speaker 2 Because like, just, you know, as a viewer, it really looks like you showed up guns ablazing and really embraced the target on your back.

Speaker 2 It's almost as like you were in survival mode since the moment you got there.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So, I mean, initially that wasn't my plan, but like with any of these shows and competitions, like you can't really have a plan and think you're going to just execute it flawlessly.

Speaker 6 Like the key is to be able to adapt to different situations. And when I showed up in Scotland the night before we were about to start, the producers like told me about this twist they wanted to do.

Speaker 6 And for all the reasons in the world, I told them why it wasn't a good idea because like theoretically, none of them should

Speaker 6 shake his hand to let me in. you're already elevated me and put me on this pedestal.

Speaker 6 So even if they do, they're not going to like that and they're like don't worry if it doesn't work we have another way we'll get you in and then i heard about the you know they wouldn't tell me i said what is it they're like we'll tell you later yeah they're like you shot down our first idea we're not telling you anymore of ours

Speaker 2 the other way you're gonna

Speaker 6 so to to answer your question

Speaker 6 you know my plan was to not play as aggressively because i mean game theory optimal strategy for this show is to keep your mouth shut and not say anything right until the the end.

Speaker 6 You got to get to the end.

Speaker 6 But because of the situation I was put in with the way it started and everything else with my reputation,

Speaker 6 I'm not able to play that optimal theoretical game. I have to play my game.

Speaker 6 And even still, when I entered the turret with the other guys, I still was going to let them take the lead right up until the point where I realized that, you know, Bob was targeting myself, Carolyn.

Speaker 6 and then I just, I can't be a passenger in a car that's going to crash. Like, I got to grab the wheel and take control of my own fate.
And it makes for good TV.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was great TV.

Speaker 2 Do you think it almost felt like the biggest challenge for people like you and like, say, Wes and just like kind of other gamers that you guys kind of are known as compared to like, say, the housewives or people from the bachelor franchise?

Speaker 2 It seemed like to really work against you that there were a lot of people who really weren't showing up to play a game almost. Like, you know, who knows?

Speaker 2 Like we talked to Derek and, you know, he kind of flat out said like, you know, other people from his perspective were more like making sure that they were well liked, conscious of the edit or things like that.

Speaker 2 And here you are playing the game. Did you feel that while doing it as opposed to like being on survivor, everyone's playing the same game, everyone knows why they're there?

Speaker 2 You were playing a game that other people weren't even participating in sometimes, it felt like.

Speaker 6 So that's the thing, like, and like, I don't want to like nerd out on you, but like you can go into the different levels of the metagame and it like it will go beyond and if you have someone that's just showing up for this experience they're almost like wild cards they don't want to participate in that so then you have to find out how does that factor into the equation i found it interesting that like i was able to bond and become friends with people outside of the reality gamer space.

Speaker 6 And to me, that was like one of the biggest takeaways, you know, becoming friends with Dylan. They didn't really show it a lot, but I worked really well with Chris and Nikki and even Sierra.

Speaker 6 So to take like a relationship that like with people that don't have that background and figure out how to utilize it within the game without them knowing that you're doing that takes a special skill set that like, you know, like.

Speaker 6 I've been able to do for a lot of years, so I feel like I'm good at it.

Speaker 6 The converse to that is someone like Bob the Drag queen who has no gamer background but he is so super smart and really good at identifying you know the psychology of different people and uh i was able to to witness that firsthand and i was really impressed by it right up until the point where he pointed the target at me But yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 6 And in previous seasons, you've seen it with like Phaedra, really good at strategy and stuff.

Speaker 2 So it's weird to see the crossover and at the same time sometimes the gamers kind of like fall short when they enter the castle where they might be great in their respective individual games yeah so Fascinating who do you think now that now that you're gone how do you anticipate the trade like Danielle and Caroline how do you anticipate them operating and then who in your mind do you think is kind of flying under the radar as we're watching it as viewers in this moment yeah so the the turret right now is a mess.

Speaker 6 And I fully own it.

Speaker 2 Like I know that I caused sorrow that whole thing.

Speaker 6 It's a disaster. It really is.
And just the lack of trust is, you know, it's supposed to be a game where the traders are against the faithful.

Speaker 6 And this season, it's the traders against the faithful and the traders against each other. And

Speaker 6 when you have three

Speaker 6 people

Speaker 6 and even four really with Bob, but people that really understand,

Speaker 6 as I said before, the meta game, you see not only like just the game on its surface, you know, trying to stay away from the faithful, but also who do you want to bring to the end?

Speaker 6 And you see the alliances and you see all of that working. So it's such a mess that I don't know, you know, if they're going to be able to put their differences aside and work together.
I don't.

Speaker 6 And as far as who I think is playing a good game under the radar, you know, Dylan, he's great. He was so perceptive at first.
I mean, he's had some misfires, you know.

Speaker 6 He's focused on Gabby. Gabby's another one.
She's playing really, you know, like low-key and pretending like she doesn't care and doesn't know what's going on.

Speaker 6 But I think she's more perceptive than she's leading on to be.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 2 Gabby is pretty sharp.

Speaker 2 We know her. And I'm not surprised to hear you say that.

Speaker 5 I feel like of all the people at the roundtable, when you were tasked with giving your reason as to why you were not a trader, giving your sticker, like you're, you know, I'm going to explain to you guys why I'm not.

Speaker 5 You were so calm and put together in that moment. And so many people, even if they aren't traders, become almost upset or defensive or scared, kind of chaotic.

Speaker 5 When you went into roundtables, you were like, I know what people, the reasons people are going to bring against me, therefore I have my speech put together.

Speaker 5 Or were you like in the moment able to pivot and kind of recalibrate and come up with really good reasoning? Because we knew you were a trader from home.

Speaker 5 And even sometimes you would start, you would start to give your spiel. And I'm like, he's not a trader.
He's not.

Speaker 2 He's convincing.

Speaker 6 No, it's a good question.

Speaker 6 I have always been really good, like in the moment and like, you know, quick-witted.

Speaker 6 I think growing up in Boston, working in construction, like you catch a lot of shit when you're on the construction sites and you better be sharp and figure it out. So I never really planned anything.

Speaker 6 Like truthfully, even Derek coming at me, that was a complete surprise. I didn't expect him to come at me, but something that happened previously helped me to defend against that.

Speaker 6 And I'll discuss that in a second, but to directly answer your question, you have to understand your audience, right? So like different people, I would need to appeal to differently.

Speaker 6 And I think that just comes from like years of experience of playing with people, playing these games, but also having self-awareness to know what different people needed.

Speaker 6 Some people that were more emotional, you had to appeal to their emotional side. Other people like Tom, you'd have to appeal to his ego.

Speaker 6 Other people like Ivor and Sam, you'd have to appeal to their logic. So I would have to figure out an argument.
depending on what the question was asked or how it was going to go one way or the other.

Speaker 6 With Bob the Drag Queen, they cut a lot of it out, but like I started that, you know, like

Speaker 6 I didn't really want to have to go after him so early.

Speaker 6 But once I saw that he pointed out like the guys in the cages, personally, I was like, man, he's got to go because I got to get him before he gets me.

Speaker 6 In hindsight, maybe I didn't have to do it that exact day.

Speaker 6 But I had already started to spread it around the castle. And when I did, you know, I can't like put the lid back on it.
It's out now. And truthfully, that roundtable was going towards Sierra and

Speaker 6 Nikki. And I'm the one that kind of steered it towards Bob.
But in the moment when I did, I came at him and I came at him hard. And I knew I had to like get him.
I had to be hardcore about it.

Speaker 6 And it was a lot more than you guys saw. It was a lot of back and forth.
But at one point, as I'm accusing him, he turns it around and he says, and you're saying that about me, but it applies to you.

Speaker 6 And I stopped him. I was like, you see that? That's a mirror technique when someone tries to turn it right back on you.

Speaker 6 So fast forward to when Derek accuses me,

Speaker 6 I think he thought I was going to turn it back around and come at him. And he was going to use my mirror stuff against him.

Speaker 6 But really quickly in the moment, I realized that by doing that, it would be a huge mistake.

Speaker 6 So his argument was that one of the three of us were going to be, one of the three of us from the cages were gonna be a trader i agreed with them i said derek i think you're right i think one of the three of us is a traitor and i actually don't think it's you and i pointed it towards wes and wes like was completely not expecting that and then his reaction set off a chain reaction of events you're so good

Speaker 2 jesus yeah

Speaker 2 that's awesome man we We're learning so much. You're seeing this in the past couple episodes.
There's comments like, everyone knows you're a faithful.

Speaker 2 Tom Sandoval, I think people have said this about Dylan. What is it about some of the people in the castle that like everyone just decides we just know they're a faithful?

Speaker 2 And it does feel like I saw this last season too.

Speaker 2 They never say that about someone that ends up being a traitor.

Speaker 2 It definitely is someone like Peter Weber last year, you know, like, you know, for a moment, it was like, this guy, we know he's a faithful. Where do you think that comes from?

Speaker 2 And, like, what are people reading when they, when they say that?

Speaker 6 I mean, like, a lot of times, like, you can logically figure out people that would be faithful so you can make a case for it.

Speaker 6 And I actually did this season with a few of the people, and that's why they're not being looked at. For example,

Speaker 6 in the very first roundtable, Bob the Drag Queen voted for Ivor.

Speaker 6 I made the argument that now that we know that Bob the Drag Queen is a traitor, there's no way that Ivor could be a traitor because logically, a traitor wouldn't vote for a traitor the very first night, and that other traitor would be okay with it.

Speaker 6 So, Ivor's now vindicated. So, why isn't Ivor being killed? Right? So, it makes sense that he's a faithful.
And I literally exonerated him

Speaker 6 with these statements. Now, I could have like gone a step further and been like, well, why is he still here? Why is he still here?

Speaker 6 And I was like, well, maybe he is a traitor, you know, and that's why, like, that was the other way i was going to go against instead of going against brittany or i could have gone against danielle that night there's so much more to the meta like when you understand the rules so we're at the point where if we get another traitor now we have to recruit and everybody thinks or if they think i'm a faithful I am also the number one person that would be recruited.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 6 So now I got to try to keep this mess of a turret together and it just doesn't make sense. So I think to go back and answer your question, I know I did in a roundabout way.

Speaker 6 I think sometimes it's the perception of you just get a feeling. Sometimes somebody's doing some groundwork to make you feel a certain way.

Speaker 6 I know Sierra was definitely shocked that I was a traitor when I finally, you know, stood up and said I was. But I did so much groundwork to make her think

Speaker 6 that I was a faithful between like the logic and the reasoning, I used her example of being placed in the casket because I knew she was a faithful and was like, they're trying to frame me the same way they're trying to frame you.

Speaker 6 And, you know, in her mind, she's like, Yeah, that makes sense. You're absolutely not.
You can't be. They're doing it to you, too.

Speaker 6 So, when you can put yourself in the position of that other player and find some relatability, then you almost will convince yourself of it.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's a lot of it's psychology, but like a lot of it is also like

Speaker 6 just common human interactions with other people and relationships that they have. Like you don't want to believe the person that you trust is tricking you.

Speaker 6 Because if you if you do, then you have to literally admit that you were wrong. And like people don't like to admit they're wrong.
They don't like to admit that they're convictions.

Speaker 6 I mean, if they did, like everybody's relationships would be great, right?

Speaker 6 The first thing you do is you defend your position. And if your position comes from a place of internal conviction, like forget it.
You just crush yourself.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Well, because we all love to think we're good at reading people.
I've never heard someone say, you know what, I'm really, I'm bad at reading people.

Speaker 2 You know, I've never heard that. You know, everyone always says they're so good at reading people.

Speaker 2 And to your point, Rob, to acknowledge that like you really stood by someone who ended up being a traitor, traitor.

Speaker 2 Like, it's a not only do they want not want to admit it, it's a little unnerving to realize who have I had conviction about in the real world that I was wrong about, and maybe like never really found out they were doing me dirty.

Speaker 2 You know, it's it's a it's a kind of a spooky, eerie feeling.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the next thing you know, you got to go to Vegas and get hugs in the hallway with your buddy.

Speaker 2 That video is so cute, by the way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 1 have you reached out to Sierra

Speaker 1 or Dylan, the people that were really shocked by your traitorness?

Speaker 6 I did.

Speaker 6 I mean, Dylan and I have been friends and been in touch since we filmed this last summer.

Speaker 6 He's good. And I did reach out to Sierra, to Bob the Dragon, like everybody, you know, and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody at the reunion.
You know, it's tough.

Speaker 6 It's also like I've been playing these games for...

Speaker 6 22, 23 years.

Speaker 6 So I have a unique perspective that a lot of people don't. And I I can go and play and I realize it's a part of my life.
It's something that I've done.

Speaker 6 It's not my life, even though like collectively, I guess it is, but like, I'm okay. You know what I'm saying? After the fact.

Speaker 1 Are you tired of playing the games? Like, is there any part of you that's ready to retire? Or are we going to see you on a seventh season of Survivor or Special Forces or another show?

Speaker 6 I mean, I thought I was retired, you know, and then and then about a year ago, they called me for this deal or no deal island. And then I did this.

Speaker 6 And it's weird because I always thought I would transition to hosting something. Like I really, like, I thought like that would be the evolution.

Speaker 6 But it's funny, the last couple of years, I've enjoyed playing so much again that I wonder like if I were hosting a show, if I would just, you know, become frustrated with not being able to compete.

Speaker 6 I got to figure out some way to do some kind of a hybrid thing where I'm actually still actively doing something, like player coach or something.

Speaker 2 Well, how was Deal or No Deal Island?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was wild. I mean, a different strategy, different experience for me, because usually when I'm on an island, like I'm starving and suffering and, you know, not eating.

Speaker 6 And this was like the banker's island. It was very luxurious.
They took care of us. At the same time, the strategy to that game is much different than Survivor.

Speaker 6 in that like there's so much that you can't control you know like similar to trader like Traders was probably the hardest, like not the physically the hardest survivors, the physically the hardest, but like strategically and mentally, Traders was beyond.

Speaker 6 And I think just because the sheer number of people, like trying to manage 23 people versus only 10 people on a tribe or 12 on deal and no deal, it became.

Speaker 6 really challenging, even for someone like myself that's been doing it a long time.

Speaker 2 It's clear how just how things are really outside of your control in traders. Like there's just a lot of variables that you just,

Speaker 2 there's not much you can do. You really have to be very adaptive, it seems.

Speaker 6 It's true.

Speaker 6 And in deal or no deal, like with survivor, like you really rely on your strategy and your social game to get you to the end and potentially to win, you know, based on how you treat the other people, you know, to base, to vote on the jury.

Speaker 6 With deal or no deal, there are parts of it where you can control your fate and your outcome, whether it's in the challenges or how how you treat people at the camp.

Speaker 6 But there's also a huge element of luck, like what goes on in the banker's temple. And at first,

Speaker 6 when they told me the premise of the game, they didn't give us the rules till we got there. And I looked at it and I was like, man, this is terrible.
And they said, why?

Speaker 6 And I said, the problem is like you're giving so much power to the people on the bottom. The people that do the worst.
all they have to do is win a coin flip against the banker.

Speaker 6 And if they do, they have all the power to eliminate someone else. And I was just like, man, I can't believe you brought me all the way out here for this.
And it's a lot.

Speaker 6 And then as time went on, I realized like, man, this is actually genius. This is actually like a, um,

Speaker 6 like just like a little, a little bit of like how life is, you know, like there's so much you think that's actually in your control. But really, so much of it is left to chance.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And really, in order to live in that game, you got to be willing to die. You got to put your life on the line and risk it to play the banker.
That's the only way you actually have control.

Speaker 6 And it's like

Speaker 6 so true of real life that, like, you know, nothing comes just from playing it safe all the time. Once in a while, you got to take a chance, right?

Speaker 1 Absolutely. So, you lost to your wife in Survivor.
Did she give you any tips going into Trader?

Speaker 6 Did I really lose? Well,

Speaker 6 You know, at this point, I think she would probably tell me, keep your mouth shut, try to be, but she knows me too well. I'm just going to do what I'm going to do.

Speaker 6 So there was no discussion.

Speaker 2 When you're watching it back with her,

Speaker 2 is she giving you notes? Is she critiquing your moves?

Speaker 6 No, she loved it. You know, my kids are old enough now.
I have teenage daughters that it's so fun because like, I'm, I, you know, I'm embraced in like being a dad.

Speaker 6 I'm in that role where I'm really embarrassing them, you know, when I use the word saus incorrectly.

Speaker 2 Oh, he's so cringe. And it's,

Speaker 6 it's so much fun to like, you know, to do a show like this and let them kind of watch it. And, you know, it's a fun family thing now.

Speaker 1 What has been your girls' reaction?

Speaker 6 They loved it. You know, they loved it.

Speaker 6 They're obviously, you know, this week I wasn't here. I was with some friends on a golf trip, but they were disappointed, you know, that it was over.

Speaker 6 But like, you know, it's a good teaching lesson too. It's like, you don't always have to win to get something out of it.
And

Speaker 6 overall, it's just like a really positive experience for me.

Speaker 2 That's awesome, Rob. Thanks for taking the time, man.
Do we have any other questions for Rob before we let him go?

Speaker 1 I was just wondering if you won brownie points with your girls going on vacation with Dylan.

Speaker 6 Oh, when I went to play golf with Dylan. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm the worst.
Like, I didn't know, I didn't know about his brother and the whole high school musical and everything.

Speaker 6 And I think that's probably why, like we're really good friends, but

Speaker 6 they're a little young for it, but they like everybody else thinks Dylan's really cute, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's still cute.

Speaker 2 All right, Rob, appreciate your time, man. Thanks for all the insight.
It's been an absolute pleasure to watch you. And I think I speak for everyone.

Speaker 2 We hope to see you back on some show sooner than later. Amazing.
Thanks, Nick. Take care, buddy.
All right. Bye-bye.
I love him so much. So much fun.
I love him so much. Did you watch Survivor?

Speaker 2 No, I never watched it.

Speaker 5 So I knew nothing about him, but I was like, this guy's a killer.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, he was like heart rob.

Speaker 2 Yeah, heart rob. That's what I heard.

Speaker 5 I saw a picture of Survivor.

Speaker 1 He was so good. And

Speaker 2 bring up the heart rob, Leia.

Speaker 6 Find my heart rob.

Speaker 4 The heart rob is, we just saw him on the screen.

Speaker 1 He's still there.

Speaker 2 That is still him.

Speaker 1 He's still in there.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, but like, there was. He's in there.

Speaker 1 I saw it.

Speaker 2 Look at him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was like 26. He was young when he went on the first season, I think.

Speaker 2 Babe.

Speaker 1 No, he was like, yeah,

Speaker 1 he was definitely the heart throb for sure. I mean, six seasons.

Speaker 5 And he never won.

Speaker 2 I think he did. Oh, he did.
I think he did.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I know his wife won the season they were on together.
It was like season eight.

Speaker 5 I think that's an incredible story.

Speaker 4 Right. He won season 22.

Speaker 2 22. Thank you.
Took him a while, but he got it.

Speaker 2 No, before we let Kelly go, we need to ask her about who's getting the remote.

Speaker 1 The remote. If someone, if, okay.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 If you are in the bed first.

Speaker 2 I want your opinion on this too.

Speaker 1 If you're in the bed first,

Speaker 1 do you run the errands? Like the nighttime errands, like the like, got to get the water, got to lock the doors, turn off the lights, turn on the fan, do like all the things.

Speaker 5 So I feel like we split this pretty evenly. But yeah, if somebody is going to bed early.

Speaker 1 Someone's in bed first. Right.

Speaker 5 But are you getting in bed first for the purpose of getting out of the errands?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yes. Well, then you're just smarter.

Speaker 2 Exactly. Therefore, you win.
Thank you. Okay,

Speaker 2 if you didn't get your way, would you start singing in bed for the things that you wanted?

Speaker 1 Jesus Ledries.

Speaker 2 That's what I just kept singing.

Speaker 1 He was like, shut up. Get out of the bed.
Go get the remote. And then I started reading my book out loud.

Speaker 2 To be clear,

Speaker 2 I did not care if you watched TV. She wanted to watch TV.

Speaker 2 We couldn't find the remote. And she

Speaker 5 was like, I was here first, therefore you have to get it.

Speaker 2 You have to go get it. I was like, no.

Speaker 1 So I said, find it.

Speaker 2 So I got on my laptop and then she started reading out loud for 20 minutes.

Speaker 5 The old bedtime routine sounds super fun.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you ever want to come over.

Speaker 2 Usually we get along really, really well.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you do come over, just know you will be asked to get the water at the right time for both in bed since someone's got to run.

Speaker 4 And you'll be sharing the water too, by the way.

Speaker 2 But Natalie collects them. Oh.

Speaker 5 Like from the big old cups.

Speaker 1 Exactly how you understood it. From like a 7-Eleven? No, they have just a large water cup that they share between the two of them.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's nice. For every meal.

Speaker 1 Not on either side. On one side,

Speaker 2 in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 For every meal. For every meal.
No. For every meal.

Speaker 1 For like, if we're sitting down for supper together, for breakfast, lunch, like we make one.

Speaker 2 If we have cakes,

Speaker 2 we will like pretend we're not animals yeah but when it's just us and our daughter it's a stanley cup i have

Speaker 5 never met a couple who's done that

Speaker 5 it blows my mind every time they say it's crazy yes it's crazy oh we each have our own glass of water 100 right yeah we don't bring water she has like her stanley but i drink like a little um like nighttime sleepy time drink and i'll whoever's making themselves one they'll be like hey do you want one right and then they'll make you you.

Speaker 2 I'll either make it for her. Y'all are healthy.
I get it. But I'll let you know.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we definitely do

Speaker 2 TV in the bedroom. It's my dream.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. It's my favorite thing ever.

Speaker 2 I couldn't live without it. It's my favorite thing ever.

Speaker 1 There's nothing better than getting cozy and cuddling and watching a movie in a dark corner.

Speaker 2 Will you fall asleep while watching it? Yes. Maybe.

Speaker 1 But it's up for debate. I put on a teep, a sleep timer, and Michael Scott talks me to sleep every night.

Speaker 2 And then it shuts off eventually. Yeah, it shuts up on the side.
I'm not going to get you for your room. I just want to go to the next one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, this is guys.

Speaker 1 We got to talk about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't need it to fall asleep, but I do love to like get in the bed after a long day and like lay down and cuddle and be warm and cozy and watch a show, turn off the show.

Speaker 2 But sometimes I'm ready for bed, so I'll just close these baby eyes. Yes, and now you will have to turn on her TV and then she will fall asleep.
Only for me to have to wake up. I don't have a remote.

Speaker 2 I'm in the remote and then turn off the TV.

Speaker 5 So you are selling it as very cozy.

Speaker 1 It is cozy. I do it for the code.

Speaker 5 However, it is very bad for your sleep.

Speaker 1 But I don't watch it to go to sleep.

Speaker 2 No, no, I'm just saying of your reasoning for watching it.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, it doesn't seem like

Speaker 2 it doesn't seem like you were having an issue with it.

Speaker 5 Therefore, continue.

Speaker 5 Have Nick get the big gulp.

Speaker 1 Nick get the big gulp. Nick find the remote.
Yeah. I won't be singing.

Speaker 2 Is it crazy that we share a big gulp every

Speaker 5 I have never encountered, heard of, but I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 I support it. No one has in person, in the moment, shamed us.

Speaker 5 Well, so I've you know, like if we're like you said, if you have people over, you get two glasses. So you're not really showing your true self.

Speaker 2 That's true. We're lying.

Speaker 2 I might have lied about the two glasses. If you have company, yeah.

Speaker 1 I might get like. I'm picturing you guys.

Speaker 5 I'm picturing like Lady and the Tramp. Like you guys put a Stanley in the middle.
You have like a long straw, and you guys like both like lean.

Speaker 2 No, there is. No, there,

Speaker 2 there's only one straw. There's one straw.

Speaker 5 But you just like, you're like, oh, I'm going to sip this and then put it back in the middle.

Speaker 2 Okay, like neutral territory. I don't even need a straw, but I need the straw.
We have a straw. Wow.

Speaker 2 That's cool. That's cool, you guys.
You know, less dishes.

Speaker 2 That's true.

Speaker 1 Less dishes that I don't have to do.

Speaker 2 You don't do dishes. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 This is incredible. I love the laundry.
But I don't do laundry. So

Speaker 2 it's even trade. Even trade.
Yeah. All right.
Kelly, this has been so much fun. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 I had a blast, guys.

Speaker 2 We also had a blast. Please, I mean, obviously you have your podcast.
Is there anything else that you want people to follow you or your instagram or are you on are you back on are you ticking

Speaker 2 i am not ticked i've never tick tocked you never tick tocked um no so at kelly we're her tick tock yeah yeah

Speaker 2 maybe i'll get on tick tock now that it's i know i can't even get on my phone oh true i actually do have it on my phone i had it on my phone and i dropped my phone shattered it this was like a day after the ban and it was like i got a new phone they're like sorry you can't download tick tock oh because like it wouldn't even transfer from phone to phone it well like right now if you get in like a if you go get a new phone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you can't get it out of the app store, right?

Speaker 2 It's not available.

Speaker 2 Dang. Well, it's probably for the best.
Definitely for the best. My team is logged into my account.
There's a go. You're like, I don't have control over my social media.

Speaker 2 No, honestly, I'm like so offline. I'm getting more.
I'm like, I'm about 92% offline.

Speaker 5 I aspire for that one day.

Speaker 2 Kelly.

Speaker 5 Thank you so much for watching, guys.

Speaker 2 It was a blast. Bye.
Thanks for listening, guys. Be sure to check out our Going Deeper episode with Brittany Spears ex Sam Isgari.

Speaker 2 Also, next week, we got another great week lined up for you. So, we'll see you then.
Happy Valentine's Day, everybody. And don't forget to listen to Vile Files Plus.

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We'll see you on Monday. Bye.