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Are you guys the type of people that need to be at an airport like way before your flight? I am. I like to get a coffee.
Sometimes I like to browse the gift shop. I need two hours.
Yeah. I don't like any security surprises.
I get pat down every time.

I need a cushy little window, but I'm cool.

That's better.

Right in the dangerous life.

And those hands weren't inside out when they pat me down.

I was like, girl.

Girl.

Are we ready?

You're crazy. what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files reality

recap edition i am your host nick you watch baby girl you want to start there baby girl

thank you for watching it without me honestly i felt like i'm i'm really glad i watched it at

Oh, boy. Oh, here we go.
Interesting. I just always remember movies were rated G, PG, PG-13, R, and it was like NC-17.
But you never really heard of those movies, and it was basically porn. But they never came out with a movie that was like NC-17.
Should this be NC-17? This was not porn, no. I mean, there was really not as much nudity as I went in expecting there to be.
Then what's the problem? But Nicole Kidman does have an amazing pair of boobies, I will say. Good for her.
Do we get to see them? We get to see Nicole Kidman's boobies. How's Nicole Kidman? I don't know, but anything Nicole Kidman does, I'm a fan of.
I'll watch. But like I said, I wish it was maybe a little bit more relatable kinks.
I don't know. And maybe this is me like kink sh shaming people but i don't know how many women want to be treated like a dog when you say treated like a dog it was like get on your hands and knees and put a treat in his hand and wanted her to crawl over and eat the tree out of his hand type of thing no thanks you know so it was like whose kink was that his or hers i think both of theirs obviously she's 57 did you watch it you watch it? Defying gravity and time.
Yeah. Exactly.
But, you know, it definitely went a lot of places I didn't see it going. There was a lot of like, oh, my God.
Okay. Did you enjoy it? It was a nice way to pass.
What was River doing? She was asleep. She was napping.
She was napping. And I thought, hmm, what a good time like watch this movie that i've heard so many mixed reviews about and i will say harris harry harry dickinson harris dickinson harris dickinson handsome man easy to be like okay i want to watch him and nicole kidman but it was just very odd it was really odd i think my my main takeaway is like i wish it i think it would have landed better with the women if it was like a little bit more relatable.
Was Harris more appealing to you in the first five minutes of the movie or in the last five minutes of the movie? Ooh, good question. Well, definitely the first for sure.
But then it's weird because then like, it's all about she like has this affair on her husband. Our husband is like this French man.

And then he like ends up submissing the husband.

Is that the right word?

Dominating the husband.

Harris.

Harris.

So it's like he has some superpower.

Suddenly I'm watching.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, not like to that extent, but definitely to an extent where you're like, I wouldn't

expect that to be his reaction. Is it like the husband is in the closet watching this happen situation? No.
Okay. No.
Okay. So it's not a- Cucking.
A cuck? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's like he's having a panic attack, and who does he go to for relief? The man who has been fucking his wife.
When you say relief, like a therapist? Big question. And Nicole tries to help him.
This is very spoiler alert. So if anyone was trying to watch this movie, I'm very sorry.
Well, you were giving a review. I was giving a review.
If you haven't seen it by now, you don't get to call dibs on a movie. It's been a minute.
It's been out in february we're in the fyic campaign christmas day yeah but so he's like having a panic attack and his like wife tries to comfort him nicole kidman and he's like not you and then harris dickinson is like come here come here and he's coming to harris so very interesting very odd what i watched again i would not hot what i recommend it probably not yeah but if you love if you love Nicole Kidman, I mean, she's a phenomenal actress, so it was fun to... Did you like the club scene that everybody's talking about? Where she looks so lost and she's just standing there with the same scenes? Yeah.
She kisses a girl in that scene, which this extra gets to kiss Nicole Kidman, so pop off for her. Not a bad day at work? Not a bad day at work.
They were like, you're booked for the gig, and she was like, okay, here's my script. Wow, perfect.
So all she did was make out on Nicole Kidman. All she did, yep.
Why am I never God's favorite? Honestly. You might be too short for that role.
Wow. Wow, I'm too short to kiss Nicole Kidman? Isn't she really tall? You can stand on a thing.
I could get on my tiptoes. Apple box? Okay, she was married to Tom Cruise.
Apple box. I'm probably the same height as that man.
I didn't mean to offend you. I can get the platforms.
But I will say, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Aw.
Yeah, I know. Why? What did he do? What did I do? It wasn't Nick.
Physically or metaphorically. It was my own doing.
What did you do? I took a shower last night, washed my hair, and did not get all the conditioner out. And I found out this morning, the back of my head is like a swamp ass back there.
So don't look. Yeah.
The front looks good. Don't look at the back.
The back is out of my business. I can't see it.
I don't know what's going on. Well, we have a great episode lined up for you today.
We have Olympic gold medalist and World Cup champion, former American professional soccer player Kelly O'Hara is with us to talk about all things reality TV. She's watching Traders and Beverly Hills Housewives, Summer House.
She's all into Bravo. And then later in the episode, along with Kelly, we're going to have Boston Rob himself from Traders zooming in to give us all the inside tea about his time on Traders.
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So check it out. Well, Bachelor Nation is up in arms for two reasons.
One, something Grant lied. I'm still very much Team Grant.
Obviously, on the episode on monday night rose told carolina that grant told her that he was thinking of her while he was on stage with carolina carolina went to grant didn't say that rose told him but by process of elimination he figured out that rose told carolina this went to confront rose to where rose said i could have sworn i heard you say that now there is a clip resurfacing we have the clip we do but i still kind of think mine and let's i'm very much theory was kind of right though i think what how he's saying it versus how she heard it back from saying i told you so two different things very interested in you like even today right you know the whole dancing thing on stage and everything i was thinking about you um i don't want you to feel like i'm not paying attention because i am he also doesn't say when i was dancing with carolina i was thinking about you they were all dancing on stage at some point so like he could have just been like while everyone was dancing on stage i was thinking about you i he didn't specify carolina leah's bursting the seams. Please, Leah.
I have a take. This is what I think happened.
I think that there was some miscommunication with Carolina and Rose. And I think Rose communicated the conversation the way that Grant said it, where he was kind of just like, I was thinking of you guys while we were dancing, right? Harmless statement.
Harmless statement? Yeah. By Grant.
I think what Grant said was harmless. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. Okay.
You're right. Grant was- I think what Grant said was harmless.
I don't think that he's at fault. I think what happened was Carolina inserted her name into the conversation that she had with Rose.
And she was like- You think Carolina's the messy one in this scenario? I think Carolina is the one who is making this messy. I'm not saying she is necessarily doing it on purpose, but I do think that maybe she's embellishing.
Maybe she is inserting her name where it wasn't. And I think that when Rose was maybe telling the story to maybe a larger group of people, Carolina miscommunicated what was said to her to grant and took it a little bit out of context which made rose look really bad well rose did say her and carolina were having a private conversation while getting ready and that's when yeah and well i do think carolina is a little messy having a private whose team are you, Leah? I'm on team Rose and team Grant.
I think Carolina, I think we will come to find that Carolina messed this up a little. You think there's more to be revealed on this story? She thinks Carolina was being messy and added herself where Rose was just saying, like, I was thinking of you while I was dancing on stage.
And then Carolina adds in, while I was dancing with Carolina. Like, I's saying that Rose is saying it in the general context of how Grant said it, and that Carolina's hearing it as a personal dig to her.
I think the biggest takeaway is Bachelor needs to, and maybe you can give us some insight in if they'd ever do this. They need to go bravo.
But go bravo and give us a flashback. You read my mind.
Why don't they do flashbacks? I don't know. They could be mess could be messier they are taking i mean like they did the casa amour on bachelor in paradise like they they aren't against like changing the secret sauce the you know the ingredients to the show but like they've done they've done a flashback or two here or there but it's not part of their like it's more like introducing characters or reminding you what season people are from,

but not as evidence.

But that would have been the perfect example to do that

because they knew it would stir up something online

of people pulling back the footage.

It's like, you might as well just show us.

The problem in this particular drama

is that Grant did,

it does appear that Grant technically did say the thing

that Rose claimed that he did say.

I think Rose is the messiest person in this scenario carolina she clearly is messy like that's that that's been evident you know like she's grinding with that man on a stage but like why in what context did rose need to say this like why is she why is she speaking on conversations that her and grant are having and and you know know, with someone else? It's like, she said it for a reason. And that reason is what other than being messy, I could kind of believe too, that maybe it's the little like one upping, like where they're just kind of like, Oh yeah, well I had this special moment.
Like, Oh my God, well my special moment or whatever. And that's what I'm saying is that maybe one person didn't take things personally where the other person did.
I feel for grant because in this, I believe that when he was like, I would never say that, this speaks on my character, that he was, in that moment, he thought he was telling the truth. Yeah.
I really believe that. 100%.
And the way that it was delivered from Rose and the context that was delivered, I think Grant heard that and was like, I would never do something like that.

Like, I would never just, yeah,

he's just like, I would never do something like that.

And I do think it was a throwaway comment.

And he's, again, like he's trying to manage,

literally manage a group of women because they're all looking at him

as like, kind of like, what should we do next?

You know, he's supposed to solve all the problems

and he's supposed to make them all feel good

and seen and heard and validated.

It's like, it's a minefield.

And he's just trying to survive this minefield.

Grant was collateral damage.

Thank you. problems and he's supposed to make them all feel good and seen and heard and validated it's like it's a mine it's a minefield and he's just trying to survive this minefield grant was collateral damage here yeah and like again rose is just messy she was so so messy why i have a soft spot for rose carolina was messy because carolina is the one who told grant the story rose was just there when grant went to her and said did you say this and she was like i thought i heard that but carolina is the one who communicated the conversation back to grant if i mean listen if i yeah if anyone's gonna change the story it would be carolina except listen if if i'm carolina right if you're carolina like wouldn't you be a little perturbed that if grant, in fact, said that? She's having a moment.
And in Bachelor world, any one-on-one time, no matter where it is or what context, it's like winning the lottery. It's like you're programmed to be like, this is the biggest deal in the world.
And she heard that her friend, another woman, that the Bachelor was like, yeah, I was thinking about you when I was dancing with her. That wouldn't't kind of annoy you that wouldn't make you feel a certain way i could see how it's annoying but also i'm like you just got off of a private jet bagus date he's literally like hearing you out and like giving you all of this attention and validation who started this who started what this whole thing carolina how she came home rose did it was never a thing until carolina made it a thing it was never a thing until how am i carolina spiraled it was never a thing until rose said something to carolina it started there if rose doesn't say anything to carolina it doesn't go anywhere but you don't know what carolina said to rose to where rose felt comfortable to say that to carolina and rose didn't spiral but car, we don't know.
What we do know is that Rose brought it up to Carolina. Right, and we also know that Carolina not only spiraled, said she never went on her one-on-one with Grant because this comment broke her down so much.
That's after Rose said something. If Rose would have said this to one of the other women who were there because he did not say while Carolina and I were dancing.
He just said

while everyone was dancing or

while we were dancing, you were

on my mind. So if she would

have gone to Latia and been like,

oh my God, Grant said that he was thinking of me

while everyone was dancing.

While y'all were dancing.

She wouldn't have been like, oh my God,

I have to go to Grant and be like, what the fuck? I feel like what you're saying is making my point. Okay.
No? Period. She went to Carolina.
We're just saying that Carolina's messy, not Rose. We think it's this whole thing.
I mean, they're both messy. They're both messy.
We know that Carolina's messy in general, but this particular dilemma, Rose started it.

She did.

How can you argue that anyone started it but Rose?

Rose told Carolina about a private conversation she had with Grant.

That she should not have said.

She shouldn't have said to anyone. We don't have the footage of that because it was off camera and off mic.

So we don't have footage of that.

We're just going off of what Carolina is saying back to Grant.

What could have Carolina said that would have made Rose in a position to be like well he was thinking about me too like why did she need to say that in what context was that a nice thing to say to someone maybe opening up about a special moment she thought she had with grant hey girl how are you doing like but like explain to me like in one he was thinking about me while he was dancing in what world is that not a messy thing to do you're right no you're right that is messy no i think in a world where you're debriefing with your girlfriends and it's like oh my god he said the sweetest thing to me and she wasn't even thinking that carolina would put herself into that story so rose probably just like so rose isn't thinking but carolina's messy well rose because what he said was when we were dancing i was

thinking of you and he never said when me and carolina were dancing and rose probably just

said like oh he said the sweetest thing to me like he said that like when we were all dancing

he was thinking of me but we don't know what she said because there is no footage you're just making

shit up and again like the fact that grant you're right the fact that grant didn't specify carolina

and that rose said something to carolina she made carolina feel like that's exactly what

We're going started it. I think we have a bigger dilemma than this.
What's that? Oh, yeah. Well, Bachelorette is canceled.
Sure. That too.
My biggest dilemma. Definitely.
All because of this feud. I can't sleep at night.
It was going to be Rosa Carolina, but now canceled because of this. No, I mean, that is kind of fucked up.
Apparently, Rachel Recchia said that they had already picked one, and she knew who it was. I find that highly unbelievable.
That they've already picked one? It's February. Listen, anything's possible, but it would be the first time in my experience with this franchise of over a decade that they would have selected a bachelorette this early.
If they're going to pick a bachelorette from the most current season, they let the season play out. They find out who the fan favorites are.
They see what people think. They wait, certainly, until Women Tell All taping to get a sense of who the fan favorites are.
But they definitely don't pick the fan favorite we've seen that time sure i understand that but like they also you know they they there's no reason at this point to like make a selection have they had conversations with a handful of the women to see if they would be interested probably possibly that could be five or six i do believe that maybe a conversation was had with one of the women, and that person went around telling everyone they were asked to be the Bachelorette, and then found out, because that happens all the time. But I think it's crazy that they are putting it on pause.
Well, another kind of rumor is that basically Mormon Wives is going to replace the Bachelor timeslot. That's interesting.
But isn't Mormon Wives only an hour long and Bachelor is two? Bachelor is usually two. And also I know back in October they announced that, Variety announced actually that Hulu was where Mormon Wives season two was going to be.
So what's interesting is that Rob Mills, who runs Unscripted for ABC, he's also in charge of Hulu and Disney Plus. So he's kind of in charge of all of them.
And there's just a lot of symmetry or synergy or whatever. Thank you, Mary.
Cross-contamination. Cross-contamination.
Cross-contamination. That is how it feels.
Of course. And I think they're still trying to figure it out.
But Rob Mills would be the person to decide to put Bachelorette on pause. And i think he has the you know right now i like during grant season right there they're re-airing season one of mormon wives following the bachelor yes which like sometimes when strikes have happened things like that they've like aired like showtime shows on cbs because they're owned by the same entities you know things like that or and so maybe they're trying out mormon wivesives on ABC to see how it does on the network television.
But it is scheduled to be released on Hulu only, but it's still possible. I could see it possible that ABC also has it as well.
There might be like contractual obligations between who gets what first. Obviously with Bachelor ABC, they air it on Monday nights and then like the next day it's available on Hulu.
So it'll be interesting, but that's definitely possible. I don't know why they felt like they had to do one or the other.
I think there's five days in a week. Or maybe it just worked out like that.
I think there's a deeper rooted thing here and maybe we should dig. Should we dig? Okay.
But I have a bigger dilemma. Oh.
I'm trying to get out here, people. I want to hear.
Are you kidding me? I'm losing my mind. If you're the first in bed, do you have to run the nightly errands? Oh my God.
If you're the first in bed. We almost got divorced.
Like you both? We almost got divorced. What's the nightly errands? Like getting the water, locking up the doors, turning off the lights, turning off the TV, letting out the dogs.
That doesn't make any sense if you're the first in bed. So you and Connor, you're like, all right, let's go to bed.
You go to the bedroom, brush your teeth, whatever. Get in bed.
Nick. Connor.
I'm like, Nick shows up. What do you do? Connor comes in and you're like, honey, could you like grab the water? Yeah.
He goes and gets the water. 100%.
What if he got in bed and was like, no, you go get the water. That would be crazy, right? That's crazy.
Yeah, you're already in bed. You're already in bed.
So whoever's in bed first. This is a lie.
The other night. That takes effort for you to crawl into bed, by the way.
It does. The other night I'm in bed, Cuddly, snuggly, warm, under the covers Very cozy Nick? Let's really paint an accurate picture Sure Every night, I shut down the house But not very well, so I have to double check 95% of the time, I cover it all Which is a handful of errands Including getting her water.
Which she can't seem to do on her own before she goes to bed. Yeah, of course not.
It is a man's job. You don't want to get the mother of your child water? Yeah.
Thank you. Not a job.
No. If everything is my job, then it's never an act of love.
But you also ask for that water in the middle of the night. Once a month.
Oh, right.

You share water.

Continue.

I also took out the... It was garbage day the next day, so I had to take out the garbage the night before.

Did you have to put your shoes on for that?

Or did you already have your shoes on ready to go?

I had to put shoes on for that.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

It's really hard.

I had to go back and forth a few times because Natalie had various requests.

What were they?

I don't even remember, but there were too many. I mean, yeah.
Do you? Shut this, grab that. She's just barking out orders.
Like, I'm not, she doesn't remember. Finally, I get in bed.
And then she, Nally. Before you got in bed.
Nally wants, I could get in bed every night and just go to bed and just close my eyes and dream about my family. Whenever you're ready to hear the truth, you can circle back to me.
me. And Natalie wants to watch TV.
Natalie couldn't find the remote. I could give a fuck if we watched TV.
I'm ready for bed. That's not true.
You weren't ready for bed. I was absolutely ready for bed.
Whenever y'all are ready for the truth. I definitely didn't.
I didn't need to watch TV. And Natalie's like, I can't find the remote.
Can you go in the living room and grab that remote? I'm like, absolutely not. No.
I put my foot down because it was just like, I'm always getting out of bed. And this one time I was like, if you want the remote, go get the remote.
Because every once in a while, a request sounds like an order. Sorry.
I'm just kidding. Whatever.
You know, I talk your shit. That was really good.
Talk your shit. That was a good snore.
That was a really good sn order. Sorry.
I'm just kidding. Whatever.

You know what?

Talk your shit.

That was really good.

Talk your shit.

That was a good snort.

That was a really good snort.

Talk your shit.

So the truth to this whole story.

Oh, no.

It proceeds.

No.

Let me finish.

Okay.

Trying to shut a woman down.

Really?

Were you silenced?

I'm refusing to get the remote. No no, no, let me go Just let me go He doesn't want your side, he knows your right That's enough, you're done He's stalling So, the truth to the matter is Nick does his own nightly routine He's got all these, like pills he's popping, vitamins he's taking, shots.

So he's like, he lets the dogs out to pee

and he makes the water.

And then when he lets the dogs out to pee,

he's got to shut the door.

We have the sliding door.

So we put those little poles up behind the door

so no one can break in for my intruder syndrome.

Lock the doors, turn the lights off.

I'm back there scrubbing my face,

doing my 16 step nightly routine,

which I feel like is a little bit more strenuous than what he's doing out there i managed to finish before he comes back get in bed pull the covers up quite cozy hop in bed so i don't do shit he comes in and it's 9 30 okay 9 30 and so well past my bedtime i'm like let's watch our show because we didn't get we had to watch all of our homework so i'm, let's watch our show because we had to watch all of our homework.

So I'm like, let's watch our show in bed.

He's like, okay, cool.

And I'm like, where's the remote?

He's like, I don't know.

I'm like, is it on your side?

He's like, no.

And I'm like, well, could you go and get the one in the living room?

Takes off his clothes.

I also want to include it.

Gets in the bed.

No.

I'm like, are you serious?

He's like, I'm not doing that.

I don't need it.

I don't need it. So then I'm like, okay.
Well, then I'll sing myself to sleep. So I start singing.
Then he opens his laptop and he starts getting on Twitter, doing whatever the hell he's doing. He's like, I don't need the TV.
I can do research. And I'm like, okay.
So then I get my Kindle and I'm like, I can read. I start reading out loud.
And on reading out loud he turns on music i turn on ambient noises to the loudest volume and we're both like get out of bed no you get out of bed no you get out of bed you guys sound like the stepbrothers scene where it's just like yes you were bricks that's literally that's exactly what it was and then she it was even more annoying than reading loud. Then she was reading with a whisper for 20 minutes.
Which one was worse, out loud or the whisper? Because after a while, the ambient music that I was playing, just to drown her out, I had thought she stopped. And then I turned on the ambient music only for her to hear.
Oh, you're still going. But wait, this sounds like like could all of this have been avoided if now i just got her ass out of the water in the remote literally literally it was that easy it's not my job it is no when you're the last in bed it is your job to do sorry it's a race and i beat you that day it is shotgun it is shotgun it's shotgun rules it's shotgun rules total shotgun rules so anyways glad we got that covered did y'all see that mandy moore posted about amazon delivering a package to her in-laws house that had burnt to the ground so messed up like just left this package on top of who's at fault though amazon you took who's at fault in front of a non-house you show up to the address i feel like that one can go back to the factory like right i think the driver is definitely at fault i think the driver is delivering to the address that i mean listen i get it i wouldn't do it but you're doing your job you know what I mean but really you're gonna set that package right there and be like oh they'll come and get it if I ring the doorbell like come on you couldn't I don't think the truck take it back to the warehouse and be like hey so this house is burned down that is what I would do personally but I do not know what you know am it like at a big they have so many deliveries who knows like what their protocol is for like, you have to get this done.
You have to get this done at what time speed, you know, they have like those really short windows. They were just on strike for like being overworked.
But still, I'm like, if I'm delivering a package, if anything, I'm skipping the house that doesn't exist. You added more work to yourself by stopping, finding the package, getting out of the car, leaving it on the rubble, getting back.
You added yourself another five minutes. You saw a burnt house from the street.
The house isn't there. Keep going.
Go to the next neighborhood. I would not personally do that.
That's crazy. They also have Amazon places at Whole Foods and whatnot where you can pick up stuff at a locker.
Just to play devil's advocate. I don't think he needs it.
I love it when she says that. What if the driver thought that the homeowner had ordered something that was helping clean up or fight the rubble?

I don't think that driver was thinking of anybody but his lazy ass self that day.

I don't know.

But Amazon did respond.

And Amazon put out a statement saying,

We've reached out to Miss Moore via Instagram.

Oh, we love it.

Their social media marketing person for Amazon DM'd her to apologize for this and to ask for more information from her in-laws so we're better able to investigate what happened here. Let's still investigate.
I had a package. My house burnt down.
You left it. They said for weeks, we've advised those who are delivering on our behalf in Southern California to use discretion in areas that were impacted by wildfires, especially if it involves delivering to a damaged home.
That clearly didn't happen here. So they put out a wide spread being like, hey, don't do that.
It's our workers' fault, not us as a company. And Tony was like, hey, I'm going to leave it anyways.
Well, it probably was the employee's fault. It definitely was.
It was definitely the employee's fault, but I could also see a bigger picture of like... Being overworked.
Being overworked, what they have to do, they have to deliver i don't i don't think it's an excuse for doing that overworked to like see a house that no longer exists that's the thing that is very true i just think it's also a thing at the same time both things are true maybe it was gen z yeah maybe it was gen z i think you know as a gen z i do that. Well, one in six companies are hesitant to hire recent college graduates.
Why? Well, in August, Intelligent.com surveyed 966 business leaders involved in hiring decisions at their company to explore attitudes towards hiring recent Gen Z college graduates. 75% of companies report that some of all of their recent college graduates they hired this year were unsatisfactory.
Some or all. Damn.
Six in 10 companies fired a recent college graduate they hired this year. Nine in 10 hiring managers say recent college graduates should undergo etiquette training.
A majority of companies, 79%, report that they had to place at least some of their underperforming hires on performance improvement plans, and 60% report some were eventually fired. Why do we think this is? Why do you think, Nick? Are you Gen Z, Leah? I am on the cutoff year.
You're on the cusp. I'm also a cusp, I will say.
I'm not a cusp. You're not a cusp.
We're not cusps. Yeah, no, they say that a lot of us that are from like 1999 to 2003 are the ones that grew up through the recession.
The COVID was during our primitive years of high school college. Wait, so am I not Gen Z? I don't think you are.
No, I think you're a cusp, if anything. I do think people perpetuate a narrative that all Gen Z is lazy.
I do know a lot of lazy people, but I also know a lot of ambitious people. I think there's also a lot of employers can't be stern and strict with their employees their employees or direct whereas like i thrived when i was in the workforce i thrived on like i needed someone to be like you you have to do better like absolutely not that's not gonna work like i needed that and it would like if i did not perform well i it would make me emotional i would cry like i needed to be and and i don't think a lot.
I think there are a lot of gentle parents out there. Yeah.
Yeah. And bosses aren't gentle parenting.
And I think not while not all Gen Z employees are like that, I do think overall, my interpretation is Gen Z expects less of themselves. But I do think there's a heightened increase in general, maybe not across the border with everyone.
well you know who isn't a gen z but i also think deserves respect page from summer house have you been seeing that she's basically the super bowl she was seeing with her man that works for the eagles is this the same guy that it was like zoomed in really far and it was like page and mystery guy or she looks like she's in a relationship already she definitely is so like then then i'm curious is maybe does she owe austin an apology i get that there's nothing more irritating than people who aren't you talking about your life and acting like they know more about you than you but if they get it right well austin basically like what like a week ago or so something like that tweeted out tweeted out or commented. Watch What Happens Live.
Watch What Happens Live and basically said like the rumors about Paige moving on with her life aren't rumors. Yeah.
And here she is. Yeah, that seems to be true, right? Holding hands with this guy.
And then, I don't know, like the internet sleuths. Apparently, like Paige took a selfie.
It looks like a bedroom. There's a bed behind her.
Maybe it's a hotel room. And apparently this is their new man's man purse in the background.
He posted a photo too with a friend in the same room with the same headboard, same carpet. I'm a little surprised that Paige is dating someone who wears a man purse.
Yeah, so am I. I struggle with that.
I find that to be shocking. It's not a man purse.
It's like a crossbody satchel. Even worse.
It's a man purse. I feel like it's a crossbody and it's close to a fanny pack.
I feel like it kind of sounds like a little on point, though, that she would want a man that accessorizes. And also, I just need to clarify, he doesn't work for the Eagles.
He's a senior vice president of football marketing at Clutch Sports. Okay.
Either way, Paige seems like she wants us talking about her. I mean, she's not hiding it.
It's not subtle. It's not subtle.
And she has the right to

date, but people are going to have

their opinions, especially when Craig has a

broken heart. Yeah.
Good for her.

It's interesting, too, because on the other side of the

cast, Lindsay Hubbard unfollowed her man's.

So I don't know what that means. They were just at a

pediatrician appointment together. Oh.

Well, she doesn't follow him, so. Maybe

they're still co-parenting. How do we know they're at a

pediatrician appointment together? Well, she posted a picture being like, a baby's two-month appointment or whatever, and a man was holding her. I would imagine the man holding her would be the father of the baby.
Maybe it's Paige's new man. Or it's her pediatrician.
Yeah, could be a pediatrician. Or maybe he deleted his Instagram.
Was there a man purse also in the background of that photo? No man purse, but it was giving like lobby of pediatrician dad holding baby about to go back is what it was giving, but. That man has the size of Craig.
Can that be Craig from the back? What? No, I feel like Craig's taller. Yeah, this man looks smaller.
Paige is very tiny. You're right.
Paige isn't that tall. And she might be wearing wedges, but like the fact that that's her in heels and that's his size.
And those clothes do look very baggy on him. He's drowning in it.
In other interesting news, I guess, Mormon wives, Jen Affleck, pregnant. Shocking.
It's a little shocking. I was not expecting that.
What's the storyline? I don't know. You can't leave me.
It was a surprise, but they're very excited about it, is the storyline. But it's weird because it's like their social media presence very much makes it like, are they, they doesn't seem like she posts with him or like she doesn't post it all really anymore and then all of a sudden it was like not wearing a ring and videos i think i really struggle with mormon wives because i can see how hard they're working to get people to watch season two and it's like it's very transparent to me and it's like hard for me to believe anything that they say or do when they're like oh they unfollowed each other oh my god these two are beefing it's like y'all are really just trying to get that you know it's hard for me to find it believable i i'm with you in the sense that i think they're that i think they're professionals i don't think it's as subtle as they think it is i think maybe it's more subtle for other people but i mean it's just a very popular show i don't they're like desperately doing it.
I just think they're doing it because they know how to keep the people interested. You know, I mean, I want to see how Jen Affleck and Zach, how they went from.
Possibly divorce. Either whether, I don't know what was true or where they were leaning in, but that looked like a really broken relationship when we had Jen come in.
She called her husband a narcissist.

She got like a new apartment was like being videoed with no brain and then like not posting

at all falling off the face of the earth.

And then it was just like, here's an ad every once in a while.

Like didn't expect like the next thing to be like, I'm pregnant.

But also I'm like, is it a really issue?

Like, did she just post a video in a friend's house and we made up the narrative of buying

a new house?

You know what I mean?

Because she was going back and forth with like wearing a ring and not wearing a ring. The amount of times that I only wear my band and won't wear my engagement ring around the house.
And if people, I don't know, I'm sure people will see that and be like, why isn't she wearing her engagement ring? But maybe it was being cleaned. I'm like, are we the issue? Yeah.
Honestly, most of the times I think we are. I don't know any thing about that.
do know she was sitting right there on that couch. And I was like, do you think your husband's a narcissist? And she was like, yeah, totally.
And that's something. Yep.
We need a Love is Blind season in Utah. That doesn't exist, right? No.
Like that would pop up. Haven't they got that? Well, we do have Love is Blind Minnesota debuting.
Minneapolis. Minneapolis debuts tomorrow.
So we'll start covering that next week. We'll do the first three episodes on Tuesday and then the rest of the batch on Wednesday.
So if you're following along with us, be sure to watch that this weekend. Up next, we have Kelly O'Hara.
You may know her from the Olympic women's soccer team. Also, she had an appearance on Ben Higgins' season of The Bachelor.
She and her fellow co-star made an appearance hosting a soccer date. Anyway, she's with us to talk a little Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Is it co-star or like teammate? Alex Morgan, her teammate, was also there. Co-star.
Her teammate? Co-star? They're all stars. Everyone's a star.
Anyway, she's up next to talk about Beverly Hills Housewives, and then later And then later on, along with Kelly, Boston, Rob's going to zoom in to give us a little bit more of the tea on... My 16-year-old self is quaking.
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Me too. Me too.
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Kelly, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me on.

We're very excited to have you.

I'm stoked to be here.

How have you been?

What's new?

I retired from soccer.

How long ago?

That happened in the fall. So recently? recently yeah has that been kind of a huge life adjustment yes yeah yeah um it has but i i kind of i had a are you okay you want to talk about it no we don't have to get into it but no i'm actually surprising i had a long time to process it because i kind of saw it the writing on the wall just because of some physical things like my knees not great and.
And I had a doctor tell me, you need to retire like two years ago. So I had time, but I am pleasantly surprised with how much I've enjoyed the other side.
I'm officially done. And people keep asking, how are you doing? Because the teams are back in together.
And I think they're worried about how I would be handling right now. And I'm like, I'm actually really good.
So yeah, life's good. And I can't believe I did it for so long, now knowing the other side.
How long were you a professional? Soccer player? I started in 2010, so 14, 15 years. Was soccer something your parents put you in at a really young age and you kind of grew up playing? I started playing soccer when I was four.
Four. Yes.
Yes. Little, um, we called it Muppet soccer in Georgia.
I'm from Georgia, by the way. Yeah.
I know. Um, so I started playing that, but I played a ton of sports growing up, which I'm so thankful that mom and dad had me do that.
And, but soccer ended up being the one that like won out. And I was, I think the best dad and therefore did.
Our daughter just started walking. Okay.
And have you put a ball at her feet yet? Now I got her a soccer ball. Smart.
It's in her Valentine's Day basket. So she hasn't gotten it yet.
But she did pick it out at Target. I love that.
Does it have little, is it like red and white or like have hearts in it? It's all pink. Oh.
Beautiful. It's like neon pink.
Oh my gosh. I didn't really, I mean, I guess I haven't, like, it's my first kid.
So I haven't really. Yes.
I've seen babies walk before, but I haven't really paid this much attention. When a kid learns to walk for the first time, it's as if they learn how to fly.
Meaning? Truly. She's really getting confident.
Yeah. You know, two weeks ago was just a couple steps.
Yes. And now she'll like, I'm just going to have to show you.
I don't know how to do it. But like, she'll walk and then she like, just turn around and like, as if she's flying.
Right, right, right. There's no like real direction of why she's doing it.
But if you learned how to fly, you would zig and you would zag and you would go up and you would go down. Her energy in her face is like, I can't believe I can do this all of a sudden.
She's like, I'm going to go left. I'm going to go right.
I'm going to turn in circles. It's pretty great.
Yeah, she's like, I can literally do anything. I think she's pretty athletic.
I was going to ask does the walking look athletic because you can i feel you can kind of tell early on who knows maybe i'm just i was gonna say is that dad but just definitely could be dad biased but like she's giving athlete okay she is yeah she's she's very determined she likes to pull herself up today it was a little scary because like she stood up in her high chair oh you didn't she wasn't because you haven't had to strap her in well you know at first it was like she didn't know how to stand up and like we were always by her with the high chair you know like so yeah and we're about to get parent shamed out there but you know we weren't buckling her in we are now that's fair you didn't you didn't have to you didn't have to well yeah so she's she's a very determined young lady so But it will be interesting to see what kind of thing she-

Takes to.

Yeah, gravitates to and takes to.

It was a red soccer ball at the park that made her walk through sand for the first time.

So I was like, that was motivating enough for you.

So that's why I got her the soccer ball.

But she has a little basketball net and she knows how to put the basketball in the net.

So I think we're off to a good start. Maybe we'll have a Kelly O'Hara on our hands.
Who knows? Yeah. We can only help.
You don't want to be so lucky, you know? So rumor on the street is you filled up your retirement with watching some of our favorite programming. Yeah.
So I got into reality TV. Well, I've always been a reality TV fan, but I got into Bravo because of my sweetie pie.
She got me into Bravo during COVID. Oh, thank you for that.
Yes. And because she watched Housewives and I was like, I don't get it.
I'm not interested. But then when you had so much time on your hands, let's get into it.
And I have been a fan since. Yeah.
Do you have a favorite franchise? I think Beverly Hills is the most entertaining. New York, this season has gotten better.

I enjoyed the originals, I guess.

Yeah, but it's nice to, because I got in so late that I didn't know all of the past history and drama.

So it's nice to like, okay, I can start from the beginning.

That's easier.

I love Summer House.

Southern Charms, very good.

Winter House, I thought was quite entertaining as well, but they're obviously not doing it anymore.

Have you been watching Salt Lake City?

So I didn't watch it a ton. And it's so funny.
She'll

put it on and I'm like, she's like, you gotta watch.

I'm like, ah, you know.

I watched in the beginning of Salt Lake.

Because it was a new one, so it was

easy to enter. I didn't have to know.
So you entered

and gave up on it? A little bit, but I

also think I have a little bit of like,

I'm pretty bad at focusing, so

I just get, yeah, attention is not held sometimes. Well, last night's episode, did you watch? Salt Lake? No, Beverly Hills.
Oh yes, I did. I actually watched it in the car because I fell asleep last night watching Southern Charm in bed, but I did watch Beverly Hills.
Did Sutton's mom remind you of anyone in your family? Well, it's funny. I'm like, ah, you can tell that she loves Sutton so much, but she's just like a hard ass, you know? And there were certain things where she would say something and it would almost be like, is that a slight? Like, is that rude? But she's joking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, has like a little bit of a smirk, you know? Yeah.
So, but I feel, that was, it was a heavy episode. Heavy.
Really heavy. I was triggered really i was triggered same i was like i might start crying the car and like i put on mascara so i'm very much team miss reba you are oh 100 okay the garcelle i was so triggered by that were you you don't think garcelle was just trying to like trying to almost open the door for sutton and her mom to have that conversation maybe i think i think that's what she was because I actually don't think that one at the end would have their conversation at the end would have happened.
I agree with that. Okay.
I agree with that wholeheartedly. But you're like, Garcelle had no business doing that.
No fucking business whatsoever. If I said to Natalie, it was like, if fast forward, if River makes friends with someone,

and regardless of what happens as River gets older,

there will be some conflict between our daughter and us.

Hopefully we have a healthy relationship,

but at some point we'll piss her off.

I don't know, she'll have a gripe.

I don't know.

I don't know what's gonna happen.

But if one day our daughter brought over some cameras

and her TV friend sat natalie down and on camera started lecturing her about her parenting if natalie killed that friend i would probably be fine with it but that is the most out-of-pocket shit that garcelle did really oh my god oh what satin knew yeah Sutton setting up the table being like Garcelle's

outside with my mom did she know no did she know exactly 100% Sutton knew that she brought Garcelle there for that reason yeah well when her mom responded well I don't think it's any of your business I literally was like clapping well it was a great response yeah yes for sure but I do I think I don't know what do you you know i think because i see so much of like my family in miss reba that i definitely do feel like garcelle overstepped especially like and watching avi kind of roll his eyes at her like they're in her house yeah in you know and he's like make like acting like she's inconvenient well they well they're technically in sutton's house but who takes care of it you know like the mom lives in the backyard reba does i know she lives in the backyard i feel like she takes care of the house more than sutton does she's at that house i feel like more than sutton is so when reba's like i don't like that ice and obvi's like it was I'm just like, you know, maybe I'm a respect your elders kind of guy and she's older and like, yeah, I get it at Sutton's house but like if Sutton has like trauma with her mom, I get it but like it doesn't give her like Sutton's people permission to come in and kind of give the same energy that Sutton gives her mom. Also, I see so much of Sutton in her mom.
Yep. And at the end of the episode, her mom was like, you turned out being just like me and kind of laughed.
Exactly. No, I think it was Garcelle or maybe it was Kyle who said, tree? Apple? It's literally so obvious.
And listen, my heart, it was a heavy episode. And, you know, listen, it's every time there's a heavy episode like this with Mary talking about her son in Salt Lake City.
I think there's always these questions about like, you know, should they be talking about this? I've just kind of decided. I think it's very unfair for us as fans to like judge our favorite reality TV stars and pick and choose like what we think is kosher or okay to talk about or not.
When like we demand great entertaining television. And then when they give us like heavy, dramatic personal shit where we're watching and be like, I can't believe they're talking about this on TV.
I just don't think we're in a position to judge. I agree.
But I also that's why I am a fan of the Housewives, because I think that they end up talking about things that they show up. Yeah.
That people are uncomfortable and are very real and do happen in the world. And people need to in that to me is a opening for like a family or friend or relationship to have a conversation.
Yeah. I just like for me, Garcelle, like playing therapist, like trying to with a therapist, trying to psycho to cycle analyze her because like if i were to play a therapist like just out of just as a guest like it wouldn't surprise me at all if like you know don't know a lot of background about something's like upbringing but it seemed like her dad was struggling some mental health issues yes and some substance issues and things like that and sound like a man as a sutton reference was sick wouldn't't surprise me at all if maybe her mom covered for her dad a lot and a lot of issues and maybe covered for him in ways that maybe protected his memory.
And who knows? That's definitely a possibility. And when Sutton's mom was like, you're speaking on things you know nothing about, it really kind of gave that energy of us like, I'm sure Sutton has her opinion and she has her lived experience and she has her feelings, but her mom has her own as well.
And I think often our kids grow up and they have a perception of a reality that may not be reality itself. And I don't know, like maybe that's a scenario where like, because Sutton clearly has this adoration for her father who's passed and this clear resentment for her mother and kind of opened up where she kind of low key, you know, when she was like, there was a gun in the house and blah, blah, blah.
Like it was giving blame a little bit. And I feel for Sutton and I'm glad she could open up about that, but like clear this was heavy.
And again, knowing all this for Garcelle to walk in there and start being like, we just met. Let me tell you what you're doing wrong as a mother.
Right. But do you think Garcelle knew all of that baggage? I think, again, Garcelle only knew what Sutton's.
I wouldn't walk into it. You were like, I would know better to not bring that up.
If I were to call out a mom for her, I would want to know exactly what I'm dealing with.

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah.

Do you think the family who lived in Sutton's hometown knew that her father had killed himself?

That was my first thought when they walked in the door.

I was like, do they know?

Right.

So anyways, used to live there.

Yeah.

My dad in that room that y'all love so much.

Actually, I mean, I feel like that has to be in.

There's no way.

It's got to be in life.

There's no way they didn't bring it up.

You say... My dad in that room that y'all love so much, actually, I mean, I feel like that has to be in.
There's no way. It's got to be in like.
There's no way they didn't bring it up. You sign, you close on the house and it's like, and there was a death in here.
Like you've got to know that before you buy a house, right? I don't know. Don't they have to disclose? It's like state by state.
But I know in California, I think it's within three years of you purchasing it that they have have to disclose it but and i think if you ask or if you inquire about it that they have to disclose that's my first question any house i've we've you know been house shopping and it's like you go in and it's like has anyone died here i need to know that has anyone died here or am i gonna be haunted by ghosts deep ballooning ghosts i think anything's possible You've never been in the same room with one? Well, we did go to this soccer camp, ODP soccer camp in Alabama at Montevallo. Do you know what Montevallo is? Yeah.
Have you heard of it? Yeah. Is it a college? I think it's like a community college, I think.
Maybe. Maybe.
But that's where the camp happened every year. And word on the street is that it's haunted.
So that's my only time that I have been in an area that was potentially haunted.

And I will say it was a bit creepy.

Do we know why it was haunted?

I don't know. Some apparently, allegedly, there's this door that looks like flames and that a girl might have died in the room and that showed up on the door.

I don't know.

Listen, fact check me.

Who knows? Being from Savannah, it's like the most haunted city in the United and that showed up on the door. I don't know.
Listen, fact check me. Who knows? Listen, being from Savannah,

it's like the most haunted city

in the United States or something.

Is it?

That's what they say.

My sister lived, had a house downtown Savannah

and there was one room

and there was for sure a ghost.

I mean, like the dog would only bark

in a corner of that room.

Things would like, lights would come on,

lights would go off.

Ghosts are real.

Okay.

Can you bring back

your Georgia accent?

Only if I'm in Georgia

and I need to like

charm somebody.

Why do you feel like

you lost it?

Do you think it's just

like being around?

Both my parents are from

Pittsburgh,

so I didn't grow up

with like a Georgia

or a Southern accent,

but in growing up in Georgia,

I can do it

if I need to

and I can bust that out,

but you know, we're not going to do it on here. All right.
What are you making of the whole Paige and Craig breakup? Ugh. Well, I just watched Southern Charm last night from, I think, last week and the farm scene.
And I'm like, was that the moment that Paige said,

you know what?

I'm not interested.

It's not for me.

In having a farm.

All the goats like nibbling on her designer shirt.

Yeah.

Like when she walked,

when she started to step away from the bees,

I was like,

Oh,

she's out.

She's not interested in this at all.

And I feel like they,

when they started their relationship, they both were wanted the same things, right? Like grow their businesses, really dive in and lean into that aspect of life. And I think that they both have very clearly and have had great success.
But I think now Craig is like, I'm at a point where I want a family. I potentially want a farm.
I bought bees, you know, and Paige is like, I still want to live in New York City and do my own thing. and I'm at a point where I want a family.
I potentially want a farm. I bought bees.
And Paige is like, I still want to live in New York City and do my own thing and I'm not ready for that. And I think that's very fair.
Both of them. Him buying bees is...
Well, he couldn't have chickens so he went with the bees. But that's a move on the chessboard.
He was like, I'm going to buy these bees. That's a commitment.
I think that was like a passive aggressive move by Craig to be like- Towards Paige? Yeah. To be like, I am- I'm just settling down.
It's just like, well, if we're not ready to get engaged, either way, I'm buying something that I have to nurture and take care of and invest in. Yeah.
It's not like he adopted a cat. No, he was like, I mean business, I got bees.
You can't just drop the bees off at a foster. True.
A humane society. They need TLC.
Some might say you could leave the bees, go on vacation, and it would be much easier than a cat. That's true.
That's true. I don't know.
I don't know much about- You could just open the top. Right, right.
Leave. Or just, yeah.
I think I'm with you though. I think honestly, Paige, that was kind of like at that moment, like absolutely not.
No, I really was like, I'm very, I would love to know like at what point did she start to be like, this isn't the person and or the relationship that I want to. Like I wonder if honey at this point is triggering for her.
I love honey. Have you seen the Summer House trailer yet? There's a scene of Paige and Craig at dinner and like you can tell it's a heated conversation and she's just like, what am I supposed to apologize for being independent and like unsuccessful saying like they clearly don't want the same things.
But it's like, I think, yeah, we're seeing this, the beginning of it. And then we're going to start seeing that phase where it's like you're trying to talk yourself into it, also don't have the energy to like pretend we all know it we all we do we've all been there no and it's yeah i i just feel for craig's broken heart i just know oh he's for sure going through it right now he is he was and she is moving on she's moved on yeah yeah she's holding hands but to be fair if it happened on thanksgiving what is today february like it's been two plus months or almost two months right i listen i i think people have the right to break up and they do they have the right to move on well i mean you know when when it comes to public figure breakups people act like they don't it's like there always has to be a villain you know and i don't think there needs to.
But, you know, if you have a very public relationship and you are being public with your dating moving on is a choice. And I and I've been in Paige's shoes before.
And I, you know, I'm not saying one's better than the other. I've made a different choice to like go out of my way to like not, you know.
I think there were also two breakups. There was the one in November and then the one when she announced it on their podcast that's a really good point and it's like he could have healed and then now to have the whole world know and questioning and seeing her date and seeing all this it's like he's going through it again wouldn't you say didn't he wasn't he seen with somebody or presenting single out in the world therefore she felt like okay well then I'm going to announce it because i don't know the details of that or if he just was like out and at a bar and there was a picture taken and women there you know it's like i don't know if he's around the opposite sex he's moved on he's single where page seems like she's like in a relationship you think i don't know if she's holding hands like apparently there she's posting selfies in her bedroom where like his stuff the sleuths are sleuthing.
Oh, wow, we have those. Apparently, his man purse is in the background.
Who is this man? Joe D'Amelio. Secret man.
He works in sports marketing for the NFL. He doesn't want to move to South Carolina.
Okay, does he live in New York? I think so. Well, there you go.
Or Philly. He doesn't have honeys.
Check one off the list. He doesn't have honeybees.
No honeybees. Not interested in farm life.
Are you into Southern hospitality at all? No. Have you gotten into that? No, I haven't.
Were you a Vanderpump rules? So I only got into Vanderpump because of Scandable. Yes.
And I had to go back and watch all of the season. Like Scandaval happened and Cameron was like, you will not believe what is going on.
And so then I had to go back, rewatch it all, listen to all y'all's episodes. Because I was like, I need to hear what they're thinking.
These perspectives, point of view. Insane.
Where did you land? Did you listen to the episode with Tom Sandoval on this? I think I did. Wasn't he late or something? That's what I remember the most from that episode because I can't be late.
He came in with the photo of him with the endangered species tiger. What? Framed and was like, here you go, Nick.
And Schwartz was like, absolutely not. Get this out of here.
No. I've been enjoying watching him on Traders though I really am too do you think he makes it to the end no no not smart enough no okay no I think he's gonna make it far enough until he I think he'll make it farther than most people think he'll make it because he's not a threat right yeah no one's taking any of his theories seriously although he did you know post boston raw right he shot down the giant and it was all him he's the only one who came up with that i do think he will not get i think he'll get murdered i don't think he'll get voted out like i think that will be his his exit will be murdered because he just like won't shut up about danielle or carolyn or one of theitors.
And they'll be like, oh, my God, we just got to kill Tom because he just won't shut up about us. Like, I don't think everyone at the roundtable is going to be like, Tom, you're a traitor.
We got to vote you out. Do you find him in any way endearing? I did during the bug game when he was holding hands with Dylan because I like love Dylan.
And when he was just I think it's like when the bugs rain down and they're on his hat and he's just like, how would you be with those critters? I would probably have to keep my eyes closed. Yeah, it would not.
I don't think it would be that. I was really impressed with Dylan.
Yeah. I was like, that's a man.
Also, Sam, Sam was like, cute. Look at that little tailless scorpion.
I've never seen one before. You know, he was so excited about that.
He was like, look, I think it likes you more than me. It's crawling off my hand.
He was naming that and wanted to take them home. It was so sweet.
I don't know if I could have done that. Really? Oh, I could do that over an eating challenge for sure.
You know? You eat bugs? Sure. Or on the challenge, that's...
I'd rather have bugs on me than mayonnaise. Would you rather eat a bug or have them on you? The snake would have...
On me. The bugs wouldn't have mattered to me.
The snakes, I would have... The big old snake, I would have...
Yeah, do we think Sierra had any idea that it was a snake? You know, her eyes were closed the whole time and she was just like, what is it? What were the other options? I don't know, but I'm like, what are they thinking? Like a weighted blanket? What what is it like we're giving you a neck pillow a weighted neck pillow for the airplane right home feels like a hose it says traders on it it moves it's memorabilia yeah oh my god i don't know what else you could think it was yeah i you know but honestly i feel like in that scenario ignorance is bliss and just being like i don't know what it is i don't want to know what it is. If anyone would have said a snake, I probably would have freaked out.
But in my own head, I probably would have been telling myself. Weighted.
It's a weighted neck pillow. Yeah.
I mean, I would be under the assumption that the producers would never do anything that would actually harm me. Therefore, it is truly just my own fear getting in the way.
And I need to get over that. Would you ever do special forces? I would.
Have you been asked? I have not. So if you know anybody.
I do. I'm curious.
I want to know your thoughts. I listen to.
I think you need to go. Really? Especially someone like you.
Yeah. I don't know you, but I would imagine you're competitive.
I imagine that you like testing your limits and seeing what you're capable of now that you're retired. Maybe there's a void in your life at times feeling like, you know, pushing yourself to the next level and like it very much will offer it will.
It's a rewarding experience. No, I mean, it looks very rewarding.
It looks terrible. Literal torture.
Truly. Make no mistake.
It's not like torture. No, no, no.
It's just. It's literal torture of them putting you through a real life military simulation.
Were you minute by minute by the end just being like, I just got to get through one minute? One minute. More like five.
Literal. If I'm being literal.
Five minute increments. Five minute increments.
I feel like I've survived another. Just like, just don't quit.

Do you feel like they had, for instance, me saying, I know the producers on Traders wouldn't put any bugs that are actually going.

Well, that was just about to.

Do you feel like you did things that you were like, I could die?

No, you learn on Special Forces, Boney Miller.

Okay.

He was on my season.

Yes.

Olympic downhill skater.

And he was like very helpful because like he's just, he kind of does stuff like he was like definitely the dad of the unit. And he talked about the difference between being scared and being unsafe.
Like the difference between fear and safety. And so that premise of like, we knew we were safe doing these very scary things.
Okay. You did.
You did feel safe. I did feel safe.
Okay. Yeah.

Cause some of these,

I'm kind of like,

that could go.

There's been injuries. The one where they,

this season where they jumped off the bridge and then it caught without any slack.

I'm like,

did they all get whiplash?

Are they okay?

And then they started to swing.

I'm like,

you go a little bit of degree off from the path.

You're hitting.

It's not without risk,

but for the most part,

I did feel safe.

Okay.

Well,

that makes you feel better.

And that,

the, the challenges, that was the fun part.

So the miserable part was like, what, sleeping at night?

No, they don't show a lot of like, even like the boat races or like the endurance stuff. They're showing a fraction of it.

It looks like you're watching 10 minutes.

It was three hours.

You're waking up at 7 a.m.

And until midnight, you're going 150%. Did you train for it? I had like two weeks.
Really? Yeah. So not really.
I mean, I basically was working out three days a week and I like upped it to like four days a week. You guys will do it.
I didn't really do any training. Like a week before I started taking like cold baths to try to like, you know, but I was hyperthermic for three days in a row what do you mean on day five they woke up and like did this what they call a bee sting and they you know the obstacle course and they had to like jump in freezing water and i just there was a scene where aaron had to put me in the hot shower they flipped it around and made it seem like it was at night when i was in the morning but from that moment on i just i might not warm up i couldn't warm up because they're also decreasing your throughout the week.
So you're working. I love food.
Yeah. No, it's prison.
That was the hardest part. It's prison.
Like it's prison food. It's disgusting prison food.
There's no comfort. There's no, it's, it's literal.
Like, and it's a test of your will. It's a test.
How many days? Eight to 10, depending on the course. But they'll be, people act like every time they're saying only eight days.
It's days of pure torture yeah no it sounds like it even watching from home i'm like this looks miserable yeah and you can leave whenever you want do you think hot version or cold version is harder um well i was hypothermic and that really sucked i would say the cold version the thing with the heat though it's like, like the heat can catch up. You know, like if you don't hydrate enough and something happens, you could get like medically withdrawn.
All of a sudden you get heat stroke or something. So I think that that could put someone at risk of like it catching up with you quicker.
Were you ever at risk because you were hypothermic? The doctor called me in once and was like, are you okay? But you need a warm up. They were just like, is it going to get harder? But they checked in with me.
How much running did you have to do? This is me just quizzing you. I just want to know.
It was a lot of running. It was.
Because I can't really run anymore. So I might not.
You're running with a 40-pound back. That probably would make it even more difficult.
Yeah. The part's hard.
So you'reing but you're yeah you're i mean you're always kind of shuffle yeah there is never like an all-out it's like i always just want to see you do the best that you can they just don't want to see you like trying to slack out that's true yeah it's like you're like i can't sprint but like i'm doing the best i can then like yeah yeah i'll yell at you but they definitely won't like disqualify you for not sprinting no it's it's definitely one of the shows that i would be interested in that and traders i would love to go you need to go on traders i heard you saying that they hit you up last year right they've hit me up a couple times a couple times but all right why not well up in this point it's been tough with the show i'm busy you know and nally was pregnant yeah it just hasn't been easy to get away someday i hope i get the chance where it works out for both parties yeah maybe we'll do it together that would be so fun I would love that do you would you rather be a traitor or faithful I would be the worst traitor in the entire world I don't think I'd be a good traitor um I think I would be much better at catching same I think that I I can reason but maybe it's because I'm sitting on the couch knowing who the traitors are I'm like obviously, obviously, it's this reason that they're doing it. Yeah, I think there's a lot.
From a viewer standpoint, I think they're making us feel smarter than we should be. For sure.
And then you get in there and it's probably just a mind fuck. I mean, that's what every time we interview one, that's kind of what they say when we're like, it's so obvious, Danielle.
And they're like, it's really not. Like, we've definitely thought her a few times, but like, it's not as obvious.
To be fair, though, Danielle is more obvious than Carolyn right now. Oh, 100%.
But only because we know. No, because of some of the things that she's done during the competitions.
When she, like, didn't pick herself for the picture. Yeah, yeah.
Like, what are we doing? But again, we all know that she's a traitor, so we're watching that through the lens of, why would you do that if you're a traitor? But even they were like, no, that was suspicious. Why didn't she? But then nobody went went down that path but keep in mind editing true they're going back and all of these like yeah she did that are in these post moment interviews like we call that's true that's a good point you know so they're going back and interviewing them and like isn't it suspicious that like danielle was crying and like no only saving herself they're like yeah it was suspicious you know you're like you know what's happening you've been in this position so you're like the producers are feeding them these questions.
Yeah. Like, how, like, oh, no only saving herself.
They're like, yeah, it was suspicious. You know, you're like, you know, what's happening.
You've been in this position. So you're like, the producers are feeding them these questions.
Potentially. I'm just saying, we don't know.
That's not the case. And everyone we have talked to, and we'll talk to, to Boston Robin about 20 minutes.
If you, if you have time, you can sit around. Oh my God.
I would love to just even sit in the room and hear what he has to say. But yeah, the feedback has been like, we had no fucking clue.
It was Danielle danielle and yeah you all think that like we should have known but like she really had us you know fooled i can't believe you don't think you'd be a good trader i actually think you'd be really good at it i'm not i don't like to lie i'm really either i would crumble i'm not a good liar you know i've said this on this show before and people were like but you did the best in the interrogation at special forces it's like you know that's not like not the same yeah you're like playing a role which i guess my thing when i first started watching traders the way i thought i was like wow this is kind of messed up like people are actually able to lie face to face with people you know just consistent you're just lying the whole time if you're a traitor but then i was like no playing a game, Kelly. Like they that is the game.
And if you get tapped to be a traitor, you then have to be like to win this game. The only thing I can do is lie.
Yeah. You have to think of it as like I am an Oscar winning actress.
Correct. And I'm filming a movie.
This is my moment. Yes.
And I will shine. Yes.
Not like I'm lying to my closest loved ones. Yes.
Yes. No, that's exactly.
I would be curious how I could do as a traitor, but I would have a lot of fun hunting the traitors. Yeah.
I feel like I'd be way calmer if I was a faithful. If I was a traitor, I would be so stressed the whole time.
I would be thinking, I'm like, did I do something that they now think they saw me scratch my ear and like turn left, you know? Not to pivot, because we'll jump back to traitors when we have Boston Rob on. Can we go back to Beverly Hills Housewives for a second? Like, where do you land on Dorit and PK's divorce, specifically around the friendship with Kyle? Right.
Because after last night's episode, it's really getting messy. The divorce.
The divorce. Like, I thought this was like, first I was like, okay, they're separating for the show.
Oh, you thought? I mean, I didn't really know. and it's really getting messy like the divorce the divorce like i thought this was like first i was like okay they're separating for the show oh you thought i mean i didn't really know anything's possible in tv world and then we have like we have mo and kyle like they are getting divorced but they're still like keeping the family together that's always very confusing every time they get together we're like why can't they get back together because they're always so civil and.
And they're so cute. And thinking about the family.
I don't know. Like up until like the past two episodes, it turns out that like, I thought PK was just like the manager of Boy George and he's wearing track suits and like trying to embezzle money from England.
And then next thing you know, you got Garcelle and Bose. But no, it was, who was the one who told Dorit to like that PK is buying up all the lawyers in LA? Oh, that was Bo's.
That was Bo's. Yeah.
And I was like, where does PK have this power to get all the divorce lawyers in LA? I know. I was like, that seems expensive.
Seems expensive. Yeah.
How many does he need? Yeah, exactly. I'm like, what? That wouldn't even cross my mind.
I will say I have appreciated how outspoken Erica has been, or just she's tried to help Dorit in this time and giving her advice because it's clearly necessary. I don't know if I'm just like missing something, but the 10 year mark is coming up and he's trying to divorce her before that because they have a prenup in place and he wants that prenup to be what decides the divorce or not

my understanding just watching the show right so we're just i'm going we're both going off

the show but my my recollection of that scene was apparently in the city of california i don't know

this to be true that regardless of whatever prenup you have that if you are married for 10 years or

more split 50 50 because california in general is one of two states wisconsin the other one it's a

50,

50,

like,

you know,

every,

basically every,

Thank you. that if you are married for 10 years or more, split 50, 50, because California in general is one of two states, Wisconsin, the other one, it's a 50, 50, like Cal, you know, every, basically every state has their own prenuptial laws.
Like if you don't have a prenup, you have a prenup, it's just, you have a prenup. It's just by state.
And California says you get married immediately. Everything is 50, 50 in California.
It's like, you can, sure you can have a prenup, but if you make it 10 years, you got to follow our rules is my understanding of what they they said. And apparently, they're coming up on their 10-year mark.
But my question is, who's that in favor for if they were to end up hitting the 10? Oh, does he want her money? Yeah. I'm like, is he drawing this out? Is he scared she's getting his money? I don't know.
Because, like, yeah, she is a Beverly Hills housewife. They all like to pretend that these people don't have jobs.
But, like, I would guess the Beverly Hills housewives are probably some of the highest paid housewives. I would think so.
In Bravo Nation or just Bravo talent in general. And again, like I know PK like manages boy George.
But what is this man? Like what does he do? Doesn't like the past two episodes make the relationship between PK and Kyle like that much more like what the fuck? If they're still texting. Yeah.
The Reed and Kyle are supposed to be friends. And I get that Kyle and PK have become friends over the years of this marriage.
You still have Mo and PK hanging out. But if PK really is playing dirty and trying to screw his wife and just go to the mattresses, as they say, that seems really fucked up that Kyle is maintaining this relationship with PK while PK is trying to basically screw over his wife financially.
Yeah, I don't disagree. But I think what's funnier is that not this.
That wasn't funny. I don't know why I said that.
Is that Dorit at that dinner. And this is why I'm like, maybe Kyle doesn't realize how bad it is.
One, I don't think she does realize maybe the dirtiness playing, whatever, behind the scenes between Dorit and PK that's happening. But Bo's and Erica being like, honey, he's placating.
Like, he is trying to calm you down to catch you off guard to then take you for like. But again, I'm like's who's trying to get divorced quicker pk it sounds like pk it sounds like pk's trying to get divorced quicker because he's trying to not go over the 10 years right and he said this is all speculation no this is what he said that was said on the show that he was uh that he texted her saying like i want you to be able to take over the house and the kids whatever is, within like the next couple of months that you're fully responsible for it.
And that's a text message that he sent to Dorit. So that says to me, like, I'm trying to separate our finances, trying to separate any responsibility that I have with you.
So therefore, we are separated, going straight into divorce. At the same time, I don't know if it's possible because I feel like getting a divorce in California is like one of the harder things to things to move along like i feel like it's always like a year or so out if someone wants to delay it they can yeah but you can't get yeah you can't get like a an expedite on divorce like if he was to serve her divorce papers before the 10 years does that constitute i right like does that mean that they beat the 10-year mark was that not the most confusing confusing conversation to follow? Which one? With Dorit being like, we had a conversation.
And he was normal PK. Yeah.
And it was like, no, he didn't say that. It was she, he, they were saying that.
And then the kids were. Nick and I were like, do you follow? What the fuck they're talking about? It was the most confusing story ever.
But then finally they were like, no. When they broke it down of like, he is trying to corner you and calm you down so that you don't strike back.
It all made sense. But for a while there I was like, whoa.
Did they get divorced? Yeah, where are they now? Is it present time? And also, when was their wedding date? Oh, good question. Look it up.
Is that public information? Yeah. Gotta be.
It's gotta be. Gotta be.
They got buried in New York March of 2015 and separated in May of 2024. So they're not divorced yet.
But they're coming up on it. But they have until March.
And again, we don't know if it's for the benefit of PK or the benefit of three, but we're assuming PK.

Doesn't want to split 50-50.

Well, these actions, and again, we're all going off of learning from reality TV, so who knows? Yes. But that is suggesting that his actions are suggesting he wants to avoid this 10-year mark.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. And who knows what PK is worth? I don't know.
again i'm a big believer that if you wear a full track suit and you're not an athlete and you're

you to avoid this 10-year mark. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And who knows what PK is worth? I don't know. Again, I'm a big believer

that if you wear a full track suit

and you're not an athlete

and you're a white old guy,

then you're probably an organized crime.

He also has...

This is...

Dorit will be his second ex-wife.

No.

He has...

He might be onto something.

He has an ex-wife

and three children

with somebody else

that he also only stayed married to

for nine years,

but she's in England.

No.

So I don't think they have the same,

like, statute of limitations.

But yeah, he stayed married.

He's got how many kids with three?

Three.

All right, he's got two kids with Dorit

and three with his ex-wife.

Wow, talk about dropping a bomb.

You know, somebody's got a bomb.

Is that why he goes to London a lot?

Oh, no.

To see his other kids?

You're also onto something.

Because they never talk about that. A real detective here? Well, either way, him and Mo are still like best friends.
Well, part of the episode was Mo was leaving for Europe, was going to go to meditation, and then go party with PK in the South of France. And they're like, okay.
Well, PK is seeing the type of women that Mo's hanging out with, and he's like, I want some of that action. Yeah, he's like, I will be attending that's like when we're going to Aspen Mo I was like not this time PK oh geez anything else you're watching enjoying are you watching Severance no oh Kelly is it good you haven't seen it dark right no really dark no oh okay well then it's a little mind trippy.
Okay. It's fascinating.
I like mind trippy. Yeah.
In no way dark. Not yet, right? No? Have you? Has anyone seen it? Nobody? I don't think dark.
No? Okay, good. I don't watch it.
Give it a few moments of like, ooh. Give it three episodes.
You're going to have, you know, because at first. But it's season two, right? Yeah.
Okay, okay. So I need to watch season one.
Oh my God, yeah. Right, okay.
Yeah, yeah. I can do that.
It's a no phone show. Oh.
You really need to pay attention. It's like not to be locked oh you really need to pay yeah yeah locked in i'm able to do that if i know that i can because the overall premise is super bizarre and weird and they kind of they kind of slow they they introduced the premise early on but you're kind of like i still don't really understand what this means and basically every episode from episode one to like season like now we're like an episode four season two is like more information of like what this concept means in this world and it's just kind of a mind fuck cool and by kind of it's awesome i should watch it.
Okay. Highly recommend.
She's shaking her head.

She knows I won't commit.

I'm classic for starting a TV show and then never finishing it.

What's your favorite scripted show that you really got into?

The only ones that I've watched from start to finish are like Gossip Girl.

Okay.

Entourage.

Gossip Girl?

Yeah.

Okay.

That was like, was that high school for me?

Yeah.

No.

Was it? Oh, God. Yeah.
When was it? When did it come out? Ah. Yeah.
Okay. That was like, was that high school for me? No.
Was it?

Oh God.

When was it?

When did it come out?

Ah,

ah,

ah.

2007.

Ah,

I was in college.

I was in college.

Who are your faves?

Ed Westwick.

Is that his name?

Chuck Bass.

Chuck Bass.

What a character.

I was in a rumble class with him once.

How was he?

I didn't really pay much.

You guys didn't spar?

No,

we were both hitting bags.

Okay. You were like, come on, Chuck.
Let's get in the ring. I didn't really pay much You guys didn't spar? No, we were both hitting backs You were like, come on, Chuck

Let's get in the ring

I didn't watch Gossip Girl

Okay

Was it that didn't interest you?

I just, yeah, I guess

I didn't really know about it

To be honest

Like, I guess

I was playing with the worms

No, Nick was like 50

When it came out

There you go

It wasn't his

I was a junior in high school

Do you have any opinion

What's going on

With the whole

Justin Baldoni-Blake Lively?

Literally

I feel like

Thank you. I was like, you definitely wasn't his.
I was a junior in high school. Do you have any opinion on what's going on with the whole Justin Baldoni-Blake Lively? Literally, I feel like there's so many things that are coming out that I'm like, I'm going to let them handle it.
I'm going to, when you guys get to the end of this, I would love to have a recap and understand how we got to the last square. Yeah.
It will take a get there. Yeah.
There definitely is a lot, and I think there will continue to be more and more just- Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, that makes sense.
More and more information. Yeah, that's the only reason why I asked.
Yeah, true, true. That's the only reason why I asked, but, you know, it's gotten real tough.
It just seemed messy from the beginning, and it's just getting messier, and I don't get it. I'm like, I just- It is interesting that a judge, like, his team to like shut the fuck up oh did he he was like see i'm not even he's like we will never get a jury that is like unbiased if you keep oh right stuff out there like you've gotta stop it's gotta like all be in court i'm just kind of surprised that everyone's really ignoring the fact that he clearly like hired a crisis pr team to do exactly what's being done online to like basically destroy her.

And everyone's just kind of focusing on if like Blake's kind of like difficult

to work with.

Really?

Yeah.

You know,

the internet doesn't love a woman,

you know,

so pretty easy for the internet.

There's a new clip going around and it's like,

it's like from a couple of years ago or something.

And it's like,

it's just like a Forbes conference or something.

I don't,

something like that.

And she's talking about her career and,

Thank you. there's a new clip going around and it's like it's like from a couple years ago or something and it's like it's like a forbes conference or something i don't something like that and she's talking about her career and justin's team's narrative is basically like you know she's she tried to take over the project she's she gave her opinions when it wasn't wanted or something that's kind of the narrative i'm sorry it's wild no uh she took over you know even though like you know kurt russell famously like directed team stone when he didn't direct it and everyone sings his praises but anyways so like in this conference breaks like talking about how like you know as a actor in hollywood and as a woman she at times like struggled to like feel like people valued her opinion and she kind of had to speak up and assert herself you know to to be heard and now that's being used against her and people are like,

see, see, try to take over the project.

Meanwhile, there's like this ET interview

of Justin Baldoni from a couple months ago

talking about like playing this character, Ryle,

who like his character is an abusive partner.

Yes, I read the book, hated it.

That's why I think I just was like,

I'm not participating in this movie and anything.

I don't know.

And in this interview,

Justin's basically describing method acting. And he's talking about how as this character he he took these chances and base he's basically he's telling on himself describing like i didn't run this by blake i just decided to like lean in and he was like and then sometimes i would get this like uncomfortable look from blake and then i would know and i'm like you're huh yeah and he's like describing the very thing that she's accusing him of and no one's paying attention to that.
Meanwhile, everyone's like, yep, see, she tried to take over the project because she wanted to be heard. Anyway, we are definitely in the minority right now.
Oh, interesting. Because you guys are team Blake.
I'm anti, I'm not team Justin. Got it.
Okay. But I think you have a healthy approach.
I think from between now and then, I think there's just going to be more and more mess and mess and mess and mess. And we'll just have to wait to see if it actually goes to trial.
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I started a show with Just Women Sports.

Just launched Sports Are Fun.

We launched two weeks ago. And a big part of the format and how we set it up is based on this because I really enjoy how this has evolved.

And it's multiple perspectives and voices talking about pop culture, but we obviously talk about sports. So we set it up in a way to have like I have like a dedicated co-host and great idea.
She's very basketball. I'm obviously soccer.
We hired an intern,

BJ Beckwith.

He's like a star.

He's in fashion.

He's not even like in sports,

but loves women's sports.

So yeah, that's why I was like,

I love y'all show just how it's set up.

And then we pulled elements from it to make ours.

Yeah.

I didn't want to tell you that.

That's very cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It really works for us.

Yeah.

I think it's great.

That's why I enjoy.

I enjoy listening.

Cause so many are like,

yeah.

Yeah. We launched two and two.
Yeah. Sports are sports are fun like subscribe follow it's on just women's sports channels and it's our weekly studio show covering women's sports comes out every tuesday can you find it on apple apple yep it's on youtube it's on anywhere you can find or listen to your podcasts and we're just gabbing sports chit-chatting like friends hanging out yeah whatever's blowing up the group chat what did you think about um sam britney spears is ex on traders he's flying on the radar he is and i haven't listened to his going deeper but i want to because i like i just saw the snippets on instagram after interviewing him and by the way if you're listening that episode came out yesterday so you listen to it, check it out.
But you realize how much he's flying under the radar

because he's very comfortable letting people think

that he's the dumb model.

Oh, smart.

Yeah.

But it seemed like he had some interesting things to say

on your podcast.

Yeah, he's a fascinating story.

He just migrated here from Iran as a kid.

He was like, everyone's saying there's a

gag order about me and britney there is no gag order we were like say more yeah keep talking well let's get into it before we get to rob wait i forgot coming in here that you were on ben higgins season of the best oh my god yeah i was on it lol not a contestant not a contestant yeah We taught.

You play soccer.

Yeah.

Alex and I, Alex Morgan and I, we were tasked with a group date and teaching the girls soccer. And the one thing, I remember many things from that day, but the one thing that stands out in my mind, beforehand Alex was like, you know, I'm going to ask in the opening scene when we're saying hi to the women, have any of you guys played soccer? She's going to ask it.
And I was like, oh, yeah, like for sure.

There's 12, 15 girls here.

One of them has to have played soccer.

Has to.

Has to.

Like just based on statistics alone in America.

Even in like Park Rec back in the day.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

She asked that.

And we're both like being like, oh, my gosh, we can't wait to see a little soccer.

Like who's going to be the soccer player in the group?

Not one hand goes up.

Nobody says they had.

We were like, oh, huh.

All right. Starting from the basics.
Yeah. OK.
So this is a soccer ball and uh this is how you kick it use your feet exactly no hands unless you put an ankle i'm a little surprised by that same i was like where they find these girls interesting i was shocked but it was it was really interesting and another thing i remember we were sitting waiting in the green room it was like a locker room and we they came and mic'd us up. And as they were like leaving the room, I took my mic pack and like turned it off and put it back in my pocket or whatever, my waistband.
And I don't know if it was a producer or like Chris Harrison. He was like, you'd never be cast on the show.
You're too smart for this. You know that you can turn your mic pack off, you know, and stuff like that.
And then another thing was producers took Alex and I aside to do interviews.

And the way that they feed you questions,

you can very clearly see how some of these girls say outlandish things because of...

Because they don't even know what they're speaking about.

Right.

They're basically just re-saying what has been asked to them.

One of them was like,

do you think that some of these girls look like baby gir asked to them. One of them was like, do you think

that some of these girls look like baby giraffes

out there? And I was like, no.

I'm not going to give you what you

want here.

They'll be like, wasn't it really

rude and really inconsiderate for

Becky to interrupt Aaron?

And they're like, yeah. No, totally.

It was rude. You're right.

Honestly, I would be pretty pissed off. She sucks.
And then all you get that is the she sucks. Yes, exactly.
Sometimes you get it when like they, they could be saying that week two, you know. And now it's week.
No, not even flashback. Now it's week 10.
And they're recapping a date. And then you hear the person's voice talking about them.
And you're not thinking because, you know, you're on your phone. You're watching the TV TV show and you're just like, oh, I can't believe they said that.
And it's like, they could have said that whenever about anything else. It's really kind of, it's fascinating.
Yeah, it's produced. It did remind me of a time though, actually one of the showrunners now who used to be a showrunner for the Canadian Bachelor.
Oh, they have that up there? They used to it. I don't know how well it's doing anymore.
But when I was the Bachelor, they had all the franchises. Yeah, they have Bachelor Finland.
They have Bachelor Australia. They have all these franchises.
Of course they do. And so they brought in all the showrunners from all around the world to, I don't do, like a meet or greet.
And I was was the current bachelor so they asked me to show up and just kind of meet people and i was talking to canadian executives it was really fascinating to hear them talking because like unlike a lot of my peers like i well i do recognize that there's a lot of editing and like they can do and say crazy shit there's also like no gun to your head right there's you show up you you have agency. You say no you know you can be like yeah i don't want to do that or say that or whatever and like what the producers are there to do and what they're they're more what they're mostly notorious for doing is making you feel good about bad decisions you know they're not going to stop you making from bad decisions but i remember talking to these executives and just how they were like yeah you know honestly like everyone blames producers but like the edits are they're they're completely accurate you know they were just like dying on this vine right and i'm thinking like i'm talking to the person who's in charge of the edit yeah so i'm like well yeah it's accurate to you because we're watching the show through like your point of view like your opinion about these people you get to control the edit so like in your world in your mind it's completely accurate but like you know it's just like the confidence that even the producers had in themselves because like i've had talked to a lot of producers that have since left the show and some of them have like a lot of like guilt yeah i was gonna say there's a lot of it's a spectrum of justifications like right and like some of the producers don't do crazy weird shit and some of them are like sadistic do you get tat like do you get paired up with a producer like somebody's like that's that's your girl no that's your guy it's more like you know like you do become friends with producers and if you kind of connect with one and that producer will become your producer but that's morally because like purely it's like hey john trusts you so like you

should work with john and like get the most out of john you know meanwhile like they're not

the producers are pretending to be friends oh rough shady yeah but it does go both ways and i

will say that because the contestants also pretend to be the producers friends because

they start they stop reaching other producers when the producers stop giving them things Let's ask Boston Rob what he thinks Of the producers of Traitor Alright well Boston Rob is ready to go Let's bring him up Rob Boston Rob What's up? Did it work? It worked it worked. It worked.
It worked. My wife, what did you say before you came on? That high school me is quaking.
I'm unwell to be looking at your face right now and talking to you. Oh, thank you.
You're an icon. You're a legend.
Oh, I'm looking at that artwork in the background. Okay, so Boston Redstone.
Oh, that's very cool. My wife got me that as a wedding present a lot of years ago a lot a lot of years ago now that's great really kind of owning that boston rob name yeah uh rob we obviously loved watching you on traders uh i'm not someone who watched survivor so i was i was new to who you were and as someone who has been on reality tv before like i just gotta say you really are truly a reality tv star like you i think there's a lot of people who go on these shows and like everyone who goes on reality tv is just like given the title of reality tv star but there are some stars and there are some people who show up but like damn man you dominated the first how many how many episodes has it been it's been the rob show yeah and i gotta say i'm just really impressed you you you've been fun to watch i'm a bit worried going forward you know like why are we gonna give a shit but anyways i just want to say it's a much respect you were a force uh in that show and uh it's been very cool man what did you think it was fun to do you know like it was it was a different experience they've been asking me since the first season to do it and And just like timing and everything else, I kind of wanted to see what it was about first.
And then this season it worked out. And, you know, despite the result, I'm still happy that I went.
I had a great time and it was a lot of fun. Look, I've been doing these things for over two decades now, so I can't really go into any of these competition type shows without having a big target on me.
So I kind of expected to feel the heat from the beginning. And we made the most of it, right? Yeah, you really did.
Did you feel like you were forced to play as aggressively as you did? Because like, just, you know, as a viewer, it really looks like you showed up guns a blazing and really embraced the target on your back. It's almost like you were in survival mode since the moment you got there.
Yeah. So I mean, initially, that wasn't my plan.
But with any of these shows and competitions, you can't really have a plan and think you're going to just execute it flawlessly. The key is to be able to adapt to different situations.
And when I showed up in Scotland the night before we were about to start, the producers like told me about this twist they wanted to do. And for all the reasons in the world, I told them why it wasn't a good idea.
Because like theoretically, none of them should shake his hand to let me in. You're already elevating me and putting me on this pedestal.
So even if they do, they're not going to like that. And they're like, don't worry.
If it doesn't work, we have another way we'll get you in. And then I heard about the – they wouldn't tell me.
I said, what is it? They're like, we'll tell you later. Yeah, they're like, you shot down our first idea.
We're not telling you any more of ours the other way you're gonna fuck me to answer your question you know my plan was to not play as aggressively because i mean game theory optimal strategy for this show is to keep your mouth shut and not say anything right until the end you gotta get to the end but because of the situation i was put in with the way it started and everything else with my reputation I'm not able to play that optimal theoretical game I have to play my game and even still when I entered the turret with the other guys I still was gonna let them take the lead right up until the point where I realized that, you know, Bob was targeting myself, Carolyn. And then I just I can't be a passenger in a car that's going to crash.
Like, I got to grab the wheel and take control of my own fate. And it makes for good TV.
Yeah, it was great TV. Do you think it almost felt like the biggest challenge for people like you and like, say, Wes and just like kind of other gamers that you guys kind of are known as compared to like, say, the Housewives or people from the Bachelor franchise.
It seemed like to really work against you that there were a lot of people who really weren't showing up to play a game almost. Like, you know, who knows? Like we talked to Derekerek and you know he kind of flat out said like you know other people from his perspective were more like making sure that they were well liked conscious of the edit or or things like that and here you are playing the game did you feel that while doing it as opposed to like being on survivor everyone's playing the same game everyone knows why they're there you were playing a game that other people weren't even participating in.
Sometimes it felt like. So that's the thing, like, and like, I don't want to like nerd out on you, but like you can go into the different levels of the meta game and it like, it will go beyond.
And if you have someone that's just showing up for this experience, they're almost like wild cards. They don't want to participate in that.
So then you have to find out how does that factor into the equation. I found it interesting that I was able to bond and become friends with people outside of the reality gamer space.
And to me, that was one of the biggest takeaways, becoming friends with Dylan. They didn't really show it a lot lot but I worked really well with Chris shell and Nikki and even Sierra so to take like a relationship that like with people that don't have that background and figure out how to utilize it within the game without them knowing that you're doing that takes a special skill set that like you know like I've been able lot of years, so I feel like I'm good at it.
The converse to that is someone like Bob the Drag Queen, who has no gamer background, but he is so super smart and really good at identifying the psychology of different people. and I was able to witness that firsthand.
And I was really impressed by it right up until the point where he pointed the target at me. But yeah, it's interesting.
And in previous seasons, you've seen it with like Phaedra, really good at strategy and stuff. So it's weird to see the crossover.
And at the same time, sometimes the gamers kind of like fall short when they enter the castle, where they might be great in their respective individual games. Yeah.
So. Fascinating.
Who do you think, now that you're gone, how do you anticipate the trade, like Danielle and Caroline, how do you anticipate them operating? And then who, in your mind, do you think is kind of flying under the radar as we're watching it as viewers in this moment? Yeah. So the turret right now is a mess.
And I fully own it. Like I know that I caused that whole thing.
It's a disaster. It really is.
And just the lack of trust. You know, it's supposed to be a game where the traitors are against faithful.
And this season, it's the traders against the faithful and the traders against each other. And when you have three people, and even four really with Bob, but people that really understand, as I said before, the meta game, you see not only like just the game on its surface, you know, trying to stay away from the faithful, but also who do you want to bring to the end? And you see the alliances and you see all of that working.
So it's such a mess that I don't know, you know, if they're going to be able to put their differences aside and work together. I don't.
And as far as who I think is playing a good game under the radar, you know, Dylan, he's great. He was so perceptive at first.
I mean, he's had some misfires, you know, he's focused on Gabby. Gabby's another one.
She's playing really, you know, like low key and pretending like she doesn't care and doesn't know what's going on. But I think she's more perceptive than she's leading on to be.
Yeah, Gabby is pretty sharp. We know her.
And I'm not surprised to hear you say that. I feel like of all the people at the roundtable, when you were tasked with giving your reason as to why you were not a traitor, giving your sticker like, you know, I'm going to explain to you guys why I'm not you were so calm and put together in that moment and so many people even if they aren't traders become almost upset or defensive or scared kind of chaotic when you went into round tables you were like I know what people the reasons people are going to bring against Therefore, I have my speech put together.
Or were you like in the moment able to pivot and kind of recalibrate and come up with really good reasoning? Because we knew you were a traitor from home. And even sometimes you would start you would start to give your spiel.
And I'm like, he's not a traitor. Maybe he's not.
He's convincing's convincing no it's a good question uh I have always been really good like in the moment and like you know quick-witted I think growing up in Boston working in construction like you you catch a lot of shit when you're on the on the construction sites and you better be sharp and figure it out so I never really planned anything like uh truthfully coming at me, that was a complete surprise. I didn't expect him to come at me.
But something that happened previously helped me to defend against that. And I'll discuss that in a second.
But to directly answer your question, you have to understand your audience, right? So like, different people, I would need to appeal to differently. And I think that just comes from like years of experience of playing with people playing these games, but also having self awareness to know what different people needed.
Some people that were more emotional, you had to appeal to their emotional side. Other people like Tom, you'd have to appeal to his ego.

Other people like Ivor and Sam, you'd have to appeal to their logic. So I would have to figure out an argument, depending on what the question was asked or how it was going to go one way or the other.
With Bob the Drag Queen, they cut a lot of it out. But like I started that, I didn't really want to have to go after him so early.
But once I saw that he pointed out the guys in the cages, personally, I was like, man, he's got to go because I got to get him before he gets me. In hindsight, maybe I didn't have to do it that exact day, but I had already started to spread it around the castle.
And when I did, you know, I can't like put the lid back on it. It's out now.
And truthfully, that roundtable was going towards Sierra and Nikki. And I'm the one that kind of steered it towards Bob.
But in the moment when I did, I came at him and I came at him hard and I knew I had to like get him. I had to be hardcore about it.
And it was a lot more than you guys. So it was a lot of back and forth.
But at one point, as I'm accusing him, he turns it around and he says, and you're saying that about me, but it applies to you. And I stopped him.
I was like, you see that? That's a mirror technique where someone tries to turn it right back on you. So fast forward to when Derek accuses me, I think he thought I was going to turn it back around and come at him and he was going to use my mirror stuff against him.
But really quickly in the moment, I realized that by doing that, it would be a huge mistake. So his argument was that one of the three of us were going to be one of the three of us from the cages were going to be a traitor.
I agreed with him. I said, Derek, I think you're right.
I think one of the three of us is a traitor. And I actually don't think it's you.
And I pointed it towards Wes. And Wes was completely not expecting that.
And then his reaction set off a chain reaction of events. You're so good.
I know. You're goddamn terrible.
Crazy. Jesus.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's awesome, man. We're learning so much.
You're seeing this in the past couple episodes. There's comments like, everyone knows you're a faithful.
Tom Sandoval, I think people have said this about Dylan. What is it about some of the people in the castle that everyone just decides, we just know they're a faithful? And it does feel like, I saw this last season too, they never say that about someone that ends up being a traitor.
It definitely is someone like Peter Weber last year, you know, like, you know, for a moment, it was like, this guy, we know he's a faithful. Where do you think that comes from? And like, what are people reading when they say that? So I mean, like, a lot of times, like, you can logically figure out people that would be faithful, so you can make a case for it.
And I actually did this season with a few of the people, and that's why they're not

being looked at.

For example, in the very first roundtable, Bob the Drag Queen voted for Ivor.

I made the argument that now that we know that Bob the Drag Queen is a traitor, there's

no way that Ivor could be a traitor because logically, a traitor wouldn't vote for a traitor the very first night and that other traitor would be okay with it. So Ivor is now vindicated.
So why isn't Ivor being killed? Right. So it makes sense that he's a faithful.
And I literally exonerated him with these statements. Now, I could have like gone a step further and been like, well, why is he still here? Why is he still here? And I was like, well, maybe he is a traitor, you know, and that's why like that was the other way I was going to go against instead of going against Brittany, or I could have gone against Danielle that night.
There's so much more to the meta, like when you understand the rules. So we're at the point where if we get another trader, now we have to recruit and

everybody thinks, or if they think I'm a faithful, I am also the number one person that would be recruited. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
So now I got to try to keep this mess of a turret together and it just doesn't make sense. So I think to go back and answer your question, I know I did in a roundabout way.
I think sometimes it's the perception of you just get a feeling. Sometimes somebody's doing some groundwork to make you feel a certain way.
I know Sierra was definitely shocked that I was a trader when I finally stood up and said I was. But I did so much groundwork to make her think that I was a faithful between like the logic and the reasoning.
I used her example of being placed in the casket because I knew she was a faithful. It was like they're trying to frame me the same way they're trying to frame you.
And, you know, in her mind, she's like, yeah not you can't be they're doing it to you too so when you can put yourself in the position of that other player and find some relatability then you almost will convince yourself of it i mean it's a lot of it's psychology but like a lot of it is also like just common human interactions with other people in relationships that they have. Like you don't want to believe the person that you trust is tricking you.
because if you if you do then you have to literally admit that you were wrong

and like people don't like to admit they're wrong they don't like to admit that they're convictions i mean if they did like everybody's relationships would be great right the first thing you do is you defend your position and if your position comes from a place of internal conviction like forget it you just crush yourself exactly because we all love to think we're good at reading people i've never heard someone say you know what i'm really i'm bad at reading people um you know i've never heard that you know everyone always says they're so good at reading people and that to your point rob to acknowledge that like you really stood by someone who ended up being a traitor like it's a not only do they want not want to admit it it's a little unnerving to realize who have I had conviction about in the real world that I was wrong about and maybe like never really found out they were doing me dirty. You know, it's kind of a spooky, eerie feeling.
Yeah, the next thing you know, you got to go to Vegas and get hugs in the hallway with your buddy. That video is so cute, by the way.
Yeah, that video. Yeah, yeah yeah have you reached out to sierra um or dylan the people that were really shocked by your traitorness uh i did i i mean dylan and i have been friends and been in touch since we filmed this last summer uh he's good and um i did reach out to sierra to bob the Drive like everybody you know and I'm looking forward to seeing everybody at the reunion you know it's tough it's also like I've been playing these games for for 22 23 years so I have a unique perspective that a lot of people don't and I can go and play and I realize it's a part of my life it's something that I've done it's not my life even though like collectively I guess it is but like I'm okay you know what I'm saying after the fact are you tired of playing the games like is there any part of you that's ready to retire or are we gonna see you on a seventh season of survivor or special forces or another show I mean I thought I was retired you know and then and then about a year ago they called me for this deal on no deal island and then i did this and it's weird because like i always thought i would transition to hosting something like i really like i thought like that would be the evolution but it's funny the last couple years i've enjoyed playing so much again that i wonder if I were hosting a show, if I would just become frustrated with not being able to compete.
I think I've got to figure out a way to do some kind of a hybrid thing where I'm actually still actively doing something, like player coach or something. How was Deal or No Deal Island? Yeah, it was wild.
I mean, a different strategy, different experience for me, because usually when I'm on an island, I'm starving and suffering and not eating. This was like the banker's island.
It was very luxurious. They took care of us.
At the same time, the strategy to that game is much different than Survivor, in, there's so much that you can't control, you know, like similar to trader, like traders was probably the hardest, like not the physically, the hardest survivors, the physically the hardest, but like strategically and mentally traders was beyond. And I think just because of the sheer number of people, like trying to manage 23 people versus only 10 people on a tribe or 12 on deal and no deal, it became really challenging even for someone like myself that's been doing it a long time.
It's clear just how things are really outside of your control in traders. There's just a lot of variables that you just, there's not much you can do yeah you really have to be very adaptive it seems it's true and in deal or no deal like with survivor like you really rely on your strategy and your social game to get you to the end and potentially to win you know based on how you treat the other people you know to base to vote on the jury with deal or no deal there are parts of it where you can control your fate and your outcome, whether it's in the challenges or how you treat people at the camp.
But there's also a huge element of luck, like what goes on in the banker's temple. And at first, when they when they told me the premise of the game, they didn't give us the rules till we got there.
And I looked at it and I was like, man, this is terrible. And they said, why? And I said, the problem is like, you're giving so much power to the people on the bottom, the people that do the worst, all they have to do is win a coin flip against the banker.
And if they do, they have all the power to eliminate someone else. And I was just like, man, I can't believe you brought me all the way out here for this and it's a lot and then as time went on i realized like man this was actually genius this was actually like a um like just like a little a little bit of like how life is you know like there's so much you think that's actually in your control but really so much of it is left to chance yeah and really And really, in order to live in that game, you've got to be willing to die.
You've got to put your life on the line and risk it to play the banker. That's the only way you actually have control.
And it's so true of real life that nothing comes just from playing it safe all the time. Once in a while, you've got to take a chance, right? Absolutely.
So you lost to your wife in Survivor. Did she give you any tips going into Traitor?

Did I really lose, though?

It's true. It's true.

You know, at this point, I think she would probably tell me, keep your mouth shut, try to be, but she knows me too well. I'm just going to do what I'm going to do.
So there was no discussion. When you're watching it back with her, is she giving you notes? Is she critiquing your moves? No, she loved it.
You know, my kids are old enough now. I have teenage daughters that it's so fun because, like, you know, I'm embraced in, like, being a dad.
I'm in that role where I'm really embarrassing them, you know, when I use the word sus incorrectly. It's so cringe.
It's so much fun to, like, you know, to do a show like this and let them kind of watch it. And, you know, it's a fun family thing now what has been your girl's reaction

they loved it you know they loved it uh they're obviously you know this week i wasn't here i was

with some friends on a golf trip but uh they were disappointed you know that it was over

but like you know it's a good teaching lesson too it's like you don't always have to win

to get something out of it and um and overall it's just like a really positive experience for me

All right. it's like you don't always have to win to get something out of it and um and overall it's just like a really positive experience for me that's awesome rob uh thanks for taking the time man do we have any other questions for rob before we let him go i was just wondering um if you won brownie points with your girls going on vacation with dylan oh when i went to play golf with dylan yeah i mean i don't i'm, I'm the worst.
Like I didn't know, I didn't know about his brother and the whole high school musical and I think that's probably why like really good friends, but, uh, they're a little young for it, but they like everybody else thinks Dylan's really cute. Right.
He's so cute. All right, Rob.
Appreciate your time, time man thanks for all the insight it's been an absolute pleasure to watch you and we uh i think i speak for everyone we're uh we hope to see you back uh on some show uh sooner than later amazing thanks nick take care buddy all right bye-bye i love him so much so much fun i love him so did you watch survivor no i never watched i knew nothing about him but i was like this guy's a killer no i mean he was like heart rob yeah Heart fun. I love him so much.
Did you watch Survivor? No. I never watched Survivor.
So I knew nothing about him, but I was like, this guy's a killer. No, I mean, he was like heart Rob.
Yeah. Heart Rob.
That's what I heard. I saw pictures.
Survivor. He was so good.
Bring up the heart Rob, Leia. Find my heart Rob.
The heart Rob is, we just saw him on the screen. That is still him.
He's still in there, Nick. No, no, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, but like, there was...
He's in there.

I saw it.

Look at him. I mean...
He was like 26. He was young

when he went on the first season, I think.

Babe.

No, he was like, yeah.

He was definitely the heartthrob,

for sure. I mean, six seasons.

And he never won. I think he did.

Oh, he did. I think he did.
Yeah, I mean, I know his wife won the season they were on together. It was like season eight.
I think that's an incredible story. Right.
He won season 22. 22.
Thank you. Took him a while, but he got it.
Now, before we let Kelly go, we need to ask her about who's getting the remote. The remote.
If someone, if, okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no if you are in the bed first i want i want your opinion on this too if you're in the bed first right do you run the errands like the nighttime errands like they're like gotta get the water gotta lock the doors turn off the lights turn on the fan do like all the things so i feel like we split this pretty evenly But yeah, if somebody is going to bed earlier.
If someone's in bed first. Right.
But are you getting in bed first for the purpose of getting out of errands? Yes. Yes.
Yes. Well, then you're just smarter.
Exactly. Therefore, you win.
Thank you. Case closed.
If you didn't get your way, would you start singing in bed? For the things that you wanted? This is my dreams, Armie. That's what I just kept singing.
He was like, shut up. Get out of the bed.
Go get the remote. And then I started reading my book out loud.
To be clear, I did not care if we watched TV. She wanted to watch TV.
We couldn't find the remote. And she decided.
She was like, I was here first. Therefore, you have to go get it.
I was like so I got on my laptop and then she started reading out loud for 20 minutes the old bedtime routine sounds super fun if you ever want to come over usually we get along really really well if you do come over just know you will be asked to get the water. Right, right, right.
Oh, absolutely. And you'll be sharing the water too, by the way.
But Natalie collects them? Oh. Exactly how you understood it.
From like a 7-Eleven? No, they have just a large water cup that they share between the two of them. Always, for every meal.
Not on either side. On one side of somebody in the middle of the night.
One Stanley Cup. Can you pass me the water cup? Can you pass me the water cup? For every meal.
For every meal. No.
For every meal. If we're sitting down for supper together, for breakfast, lunch, we make one big thing of water.
If we have company, we will pretend we're not animals. Yeah.
but when it's just us and our daughter it's

a stanley cup i have never met a couple who's done that is that crazy it blows my mind every

time they say it's crazy yes it's crazy oh we each have our own glass of water 100 right yeah

we don't bring water she has like her stanley but i drink like a little um like nighttime

sleepy time drink and

whoever's making themselves

one they'll be like hey do you want one

and then they'll make you I'll either make

it for her healthy I get it

yeah we definitely do not

oh my god it's my favorite thing ever

I couldn't live without it it's my favorite thing ever

there's nothing better than getting cozy and cuddling and watching a movie in a dark,

cold bedroom.

Will you fall asleep while watching it?

Yes.

Maybe.

But it's up for debate.

I put on a sleep timer and Michael Scott talks me to sleep every night.

And then it shuts off eventually.

I don't need it to fall asleep.

That's not good for your REM.

I just want to say.

Yeah.

No, this is guys.

We got to talk about this.

I don't need it to fall asleep.

But I do love to like get in the bed after a long day and lay down and cuddle and be warm and cozy and watch a show, turn off the show. But sometimes I'm ready for bed, so I'll just close these baby eyes.
And now you will have to turn on her TV and then she will fall asleep, only for me to have to wake up. I don't ever watch it by myself.
and then turn off the tv i don't ever you are selling it as very cozy it is cozy i do it for the co's however it is very bad for your sleep but i don't watch it to go to sleep no no i'm just saying of your reasoning for watching it well i didn't ask you it doesn't seem like you were having an issue with it. Therefore, continue.
Yeah, big job. Have Nick get the big gulp.
Nick get the big gulp. Nick find the remote.
Yeah. I won't be singing.
Is it crazy that we share a big gulp? Everyone says it is. I have never encountered, heard of, but I'm here for it.
But what's crazy? I support it. No one has in person in the moment shamed us.
Well, so I've, you know, like if we're like, but you said, if you have people over, you get two glasses. So you're not really showing your true selves.
That's true. We're lying.
I don't know. I might have lied about the two glasses.
If you have company. Yeah.
I might get like, I'm picturing you guys. I'm picturing like Lady and the Tramp.
Like you guys put a Stanley in the middle. You have like a long straw and you guys like both like lean over.
No, there's only one straw. There's one straw.
But you just like, you're like, oh, I'm going to sip this and then put it back in the middle. Okay, like neutral territory.
I don't even need a straw, but. I need the straw.
We have a straw. Wow, that's, that's cool.
That's cool. You guys, you know, less dishes, I guess.
That's true. Less dishes that I don't have to do.
You don't do dishes. Yeah, you're right.
This is incredible. I love, but I don't do laundry, you're right this is incredible i love but i don't do laundry so okay even trade even trade yeah all right uh kelly this has been so much fun thanks for having me i had a blast guys uh we also had a blast please i mean obviously you have your podcast is there anything else that you want uh people to follow you or your instagram or are you on are you back on are you talking i am not I've never tick-tocked you never tick-tocked um no so at Kelly O'Hara fuck tick-tock yeah maybe I'll get on tick-tock now that it's I don't I can't even get on my phone oh true I actually do have it on my phone I had it on my phone and I dropped my phone shattered it this was like a day after the ban and it was like I got a new phone they're like sorry i can't download tiktok oh because like it wouldn't even transfer from phone to phone it was like right now if you get in like a if you go get a new phone you can't get it out of the app store right it's not available yeah dang well it's probably for the best definitely for the best my team is logged into my account there you go yeah you're like i don't have control over my social no honestly i'm like so offline i'm getting more i'm like i'm about 92'm about 92% offline.
I aspire for that one day. Kelly.
Thank you so much for having me, guys. It was a blast.
Bye. Bye.
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