E1042 - Luann de Lesseps talks RHONY's Future, Fruity Pebble Gate, DWTS Finale, RHOSLC & Thanksgiving

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my hmm, colorful.
Did I ever use colorful? I don't know. My spontaneous, my

super Carola fragilistic XBLA don't

my wonderful partner in life and cream to my cross. Oh, my God.
Okay. Wow.
He said cream within 30 seconds of the show.

There we go.

Natalie Joy is with us. I hope you all had a lovely Thanksgiving holiday.
We had a really great time. What'd you do? We went to Atlanta-ish area and spent time with Natalie's family.

had a lovely memorial service for her grandparents who passed over the past couple years her gorgeous life that they had. They really did, both into their 90s.

I do have to say, now that we are married and have a child,

you know, Thanksgiving and your family hits differently a little bit these days. What does that mean? Well, if you guys don't know this, I mean,

when it comes to like meeting people, I'm a slow burn. You know, like when it comes to love, I've, you know, I've, like anyone else, I'm a little reckless.
So sometimes I fall hard, you know? Okay.

Sometimes I fall fast. But when it comes to people, I'm a slow burn.
And when, you know, when it comes to meeting like the the families of the people I've been dating, I'm kind of like, you know what?

We'll see how this all goes. I don't know if you guys are going to be in my life.
And now, you know, I've had five Thanksgivings with Natalie's family.

I guess I suppose this year was, you know, Rivers, she's almost two.

And I'm, you know, now when we go to these Thanksgiving, it's like, you guys are like, you guys share the same blood as my daughter, you know?

And so I look at these people just differently, you know, like I really, like they are family in the truest sense of the word. Anyways, we had a lovely time.

Natalie, and I got to say, like, Natalie's, Natalie's grandparents who, who did pass, they had a great life, you know, they, they, they have a great family.

Natalie's family is as normal as anyone out there. And I say that with just a lot of gratitude.
Can you imagine if he was like, and that one aunt is just fucking.

Well, I mean, like, listen, every family is a little quirky, you know, we all have family members, but relatively speaking, Natalie's got a great family.

Our Thanksgiving was really like put on by my grandparents. Like they, that was the one time a year that my entire family gets together.
My dad has seven children.

There's, you know, a lot of great grandchildren in there. And this was like the one time a year that everyone gets together.
I have a cousin in Hawaii. My brother's in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Like we're just spread all over the country. So to have one.

like week where we're all together every year it was so important to my grandparents and my grandfather died in april um of this year and so we had like their memorial service and they were from Jackson, Georgia.

So we like had a, you know, laid them and did the whole thing. But my,

for Thanksgiving, my papa would like say the prayer every year. And, you know, as he was getting older and older, they were getting shorter and shorter.

And he kind of passed the torch on to my brother Tony.

And this year, Tony starts the prayer and he's like, but I think, you know, I'm going to pass this on to someone who's maybe a little bit better at this.

And he plays a recording from 2016 where he recorded my grandfather saying the prayer.

And he like holds a speaker up and we're all just like sobbing. Like no one expected that.
It's just like my grandfather in like great spirits, like perky, loud voice, like as we all remember him.

And it was so emotional. I don't know.
It was so nice.

I didn't cry, but it was a sweet. Nick, I'm honestly surprised Nick was there.
The Packers were playing. I think someone called him down, being like, the prayer is happening.

I came down for the prayer. You need to come down here.

As a, as a good man of God, should exactly and i will say my dad um he's not mobile he's like in a it's very sad he's in a he was in the the living room in like a bed pretty much the whole time they would transition him into a chair for meals and stuff but he like we didn't know if he was going to be able to come like we you know it was touch and go for a minute and so i'm talking to my stepmom and i'm like you need like let's find she's like i can't do this by myself it was like a six hour drive from where they live she's like he can't sit for longer than two hours i don't know what i'm gonna to do.

And I'm like, you need to find someone who's willing to like travel with you, like a health care, someone who like, I'm sure there's someone out there.

We can pay them holiday pay, someone who like doesn't have anything to do on Thanksgiving, who wants to make some extra money and like

be with a family, eat a good Thanksgiving meal. There's got to be somebody out there.
That was your idea. That was my idea.
So she was like, okay, I'll ask around.

So turns out she found someone and it's the same woman that I guess has helped my dad several times before, like when he was doing, like getting in and out of a pool like a year ago.

I don't really know. Apparently she's helped him.
Okay. Okay.
She and her son come to Thanksgiving.

And when I tell you this, I was like shocked at this woman's just like, she was nowhere to be found most of the time.

She had like the master suite bedroom on the first floor because my dad and my stepmom were just like set up in the living room. And she's getting paid very good money.
She brings her son with her.

And the whole time my stepmom was like, I, you know, I want to be able to be with my family.

Like I want to be able to eat Thanksgiving meal and not like have to feed him as well because he can't pick up a fork. So she was supposed to feed him all his meals.

She like bathes them and changes them and does all the things because he can't do anything. And I like so many times we were like, where is she? Like, what is she doing?

And she'd just be like locked in her room. And then she'd come out.
And I remember sitting at breakfast and I'm sitting there and she's like, are you Amanda? And I'm like, no, I'm Natalie.

And she's like, Oh, is there any sausage left? And I'm like, Oh, I'm not sure. She's like, Can you go check for me? I'm like, I guess.
Like,

sure.

And then everyone's just kind of like, Is this woman gonna do anything? Like, we were just so shocked at how much she just like did nothing. Did nothing.

And I felt so bad for my stepmom because I'm like, You're paying all this money. You like wanted to be able, I mean, bless my stepmom.
She just has taken care of my dad, does everything.

And she's like, wanted one week where like she could just not have to do it all and she was still stuck doing it all it was so sad i felt so bad for her but so that was like the drama of the weekend is like all of my siblings being like where is this bitch well guys the meatballs were a hit this year i am happy to say

i got i got bullied into making meatballs again and uh they did not last They did not last. Look at you.
New Thanksgiving tradition. There we go.
Yeah. It was good.

And I made my green bean casserole and I made it with fresh green beans and it was delectable. It was so good.
Awesome.

I fed River a meatball and then I went and my dad was like, I was like, Dad, you want to try some of Nick's famous meatballs? He was like, sure, you know, I'll try a bite.

I give him a bite and he's like, wow, it's pretty good. I'm like, do you want your own? He's like, yeah.
So after I fed my daughter her meatball, I then went and fed my father his meatball.

Later on in the day, my mom comes and

she's holding River and

I'm mixing up some yogurt. And so I give River a bite and then my mom's like, oh, I thought you were going to give me a bite too.
I'm like, already fed one parent this trip. Can't feed two.

What is this?

Yeah, I'm like, I'm already traumatized enough. But it's always so, you know, like my mom coming to Thanksgiving has been, obviously, my parents are divorced.
They have been since I was very young.

And my dad still holds this grudge against my mom. He was still grumpy.
He's still grumpy.

Like my mom came to the memorial service and she's, you know, was a part of my dad's family's life for 20 plus years. So she like knows all these people that are there.

He was mad that she was being too social. He was mad.
He was talking shit. He's like, what is she doing? And my stepmom's like, you know, I think she's just trying to be social.

You know, being nice. It's just.
She's just like, this bitch needs to shut up.

Who invited her? Who invited her for real? Whereas like we did.

Actually.

Yeah. Yeah.

No, it was a great Thanksgiving. Now we're up at the lake.
It's frozen. It's beautiful.
It's charming. It's great.
It's a winter wonderland. I saw Natalie's story.

Are you planning on skating that lake?

Yeah, absolutely.

It's just started freezing over. So I don't know.
We'll give it a couple days. Yeah, get it.
It's really cool. I stood on it this morning.
It's like hard. No cracks.

It's not fully frozen over the entire lake, but yeah, no cracks. I mean, it's...

We don't need to lose anyone under the.

You don't need to realize how it's a wonderful life.

Right. We'll give it a couple days.
I love that movie. Well, we have a lot to get into this episode.
We have Luann, the Countess. She's joining us later this episode.
She was at BravoCon.

It'll be great to check up with the Countess Luann. Maybe she's got some insider tea on Roni.
I know everyone's talking about this new. Is it apparently locked in, the new cast?

Maybe she's a part of it. Are we going to have any of the OGs back? I don't know.
We'll certainly ask Luann all about it. Also, we have a lot of TV to talk about.

We had the Dancing with the Stars finale. We'll get into it in a moment.

But we also uh we had the jesse and jordan uh going deeper last week and there's just a lot of drama going on and and mom talk in general so yeah i you know listen i was um i'm glad you all got to hear it i appreciate the response i honestly went in kind of nervous i thought i should have been harder on jordan people seem to be happy with how hard i was on jordan a tick tocker i really really love posted a video about he was like okay nick vile i don't know who this man is but he was really going in It was awesome.

There we go.

I'm glad y'all thought that.

I was definitely a little nervous.

Listen, it's, I think, with this conversation, I think, not to, I mean, you know, we're talking secret lives of Mormon wives, but like, this is one of those times where you have like something we're a fan of, the show, and these women.

And then you have, it's like a serious conversation about a real couple experiencing real life problems. You know, coming in, I was really hoping that, again, Jordan would seem like he really

saw what we saw and saw his transgressions as bad as we did. When Jordan brought in his feminine wound,

I honestly didn't know what I felt like I was being gaslit in that moment. I don't know.
Feminine wound is a crate.

Did he make that term? Yes. It's like, I've never heard this before.
Feminine wound. Like, okay.
Like, there's one thing women can't do. Right.
And it's wound someone.

I was like, wait, so you're the victim?

I don't think you guys realize how often men are the victims in these situations where they're emotionally abusing their wives.

Like, Jordan, at the end of the day, Jordan's just, he's mean to his wife. That's what it comes down to.
At least he was. We don't know if that's changed.

He's been mean

over the years. And that's kind of the point is that this was this was a pattern.

And I think when I left the interview, that the part that I felt like I didn't do that I wanted to do is I really wanted him to like sit with Jesse's accusations of him.

And I wanted to hear him recognize that this has been a pattern, that when he felt small as a man or when he felt insecure, his choice and his response to do that was to just be mean to his wife.

Like the person he is supposed to above all protect and take care of, he chose to be mean to her, like deliberately, consciously. And like.

Instead of just like saying that and being disgusted with his behavior, I wanted to, I was hoping he would come in and be like, this has been a huge wake-up call.

Like, obviously, what Jesse did hurt me, but like, more than anything, it's been a wake-up call to my behavior. And I realize that in this situation, my wife, I left her no options almost.

You know, I was kind of expecting that, but we got feminine wound.

I was going to say, it kind of seems like you had a reason for everything or like how to, how it was kind of Jesse's fault versus him taking responsibility for his actions. Yeah.

And I felt like he also, anytime that he couldn't figure out his way to like get out of the question he'd be like well maybe i misunderstood you maybe i just misunderstood the question like i just give me a little bit more time to like think of a way out of this and i wanted to be like why did you call your wife a yeah exactly

yeah you know why is it when you're frustrated you go to name calling versus conflict resolution right why are you just like so willing to do it in front of your small children he blamed it on locker room talk basically he basically like my family family, we talk this way.

It's like

gross

the case. But I don't think that's not true.
It's a cop-out. Yeah.
Because how can you refute that? She said her family and his family are like best friends, that they're super close.

And I feel like if his family spoke that way,

maybe Jesse's family would be like, I don't know, don't really want to be friends with them.

But there's a difference between like, you know, even brothers and sisters or maybe even husbands and husband and wife. Like, we have a shorthand, if you will.

We have an inside way, you know, but like, you know, if you're like, oh, don't stop being such a fucking asshole.

Oh, you know, like, when you're just like ripped, there's a difference between that and being like, you're being a real fucking bitch today.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I just don't think this was a, you know, if you're a family that talks that way to each other, you either like, you're either not hurt by these words and it's just like saying the word fuck or you're being such a shithead today.

It's, it's taken with a level of like, you know, jokes.

like it doesn't you know what i'm saying but clearly this was a situation where jesse said you're hurting me you're hurting my feelings i don't like the way you're treating me can you please stop oh can you stop you know and that's the part i wish i would have i don't know but i'm glad you guys were happy with it i was gonna say we kind of got the answer when jesse said jordan's not allowed to work at the salon because he takes over things and my family is all on the same page there so i mean i mean even when she said there's no one in her life right now that is a fan of jordan you I feel like we have that answer.

It was telling. Jesse's mom accompanied us to the interview.
I really felt for Jesse afterwards because I had a moment with Jesse's mom.

And I'll just say, like, Jesse's mom really feels for her daughter. And I wish them the best, but I really wish Jesse the best.
If Jesse chooses to want to work on this, then great.

I want to support Jesse in her marriage. And maybe Jordan's just, you know.
Maybe he's realizing it now. I don't know.
But I don't, he didn't strike me as someone who really was.

You have to be disgusted with how you treat women or how you speak to your partner for it to really change. And I don't know if feminine wound is the right word.
It was like, yeah, I'm in therapy.

Everything's better now.

Jesse was kind of defending Jordan a little bit online, like amidst the whole Fruity Pebble thing.

And this is jumping ahead and we'll go back to Fruity Pebble, but Layla posted a video of Jordan and Jesse said, like, I mean, to quote her, she said, silent during Fruity Pebbles, but let's continue continue to roast Jordan.

That's cool. So, I mean, there seems to be some form of like, they're on the same page right now, at least.
Yeah, well, I mean, they are still husband and wife.

And I assume that, I don't know, it would make sense that Jesse's like going to her girls being like, hey, we're working on this now. Yeah.
Yeah.

It is, that does seem strange that Layla would continue the like narrative of, you know, when they're, when they seemingly are trying to at least work together and try to become a united front and try to like fix their marriage to then have like one of your friends still like posting shady shit towards him does feel a little like icky.

I am going to defend Layla in this moment just because

what she posted was a trend and it's a trend that's going on where it's like Superman says something stupid or whatever. And then it's like something stupid that you said.

And so she was posting the moment where she walked into Jesse's house. saying to Jordan, like, oh, do you pay rent for this or whatever? Because it was Jesse's house.

At the same time, I just kind of feel like it was like her saying that she said something stupid walking in.

And I think that, like, they're now turning it into like, as if she's like dogging on Jordan. But I think she was actually like taking shots at herself for saying

the stupid shit. I just, I love that Jesse took her social media break for one hour and then came back with the jugular fruity pebbles.
Fruity Pebbles?

What does Fruity Pebbles have to do with any of this?

For those listening auditorily right now, I am eating a bowl of Fruity Pebbles. With a whole damn box on her desk.
Is that like the family, family style? It is. Hey, hey,

with the way these things are going about, it's got to be. I mean, for those of you who have no idea what we're talking about, season one, it was?

Season one. Yes, season one.
Season one, early on, we had this like very funny, seemingly like inside joke between all of the moms. It was always a sex thing, though.

There was something that had to do with sex within Demi and Brett's relationship that like correlated to Fruity Pebbles. They never publicly said what it was.
They told everyone privately.

The first time we met Demi, she told us. Do you remember the scene from season one where Whitney's like reenacting it for Macy and standing over Macy's?

And she's not wearing anything. And we still have no idea what it meant.
I think a lot of people kind of figured it out, right? No. I thought something completely different.
What'd you think?

I thought she put Fruity Pebbles in her coochie and let it fall out. Like, that's what I thought.

The way that Justin said it, but yeah, like I literally thought she did a little dip and then it was like, all right, lick it off. A little food.

This is a slightly personal question, but do you guys have that kind of muscle dexterity where you could like just drop a pebble?

Kegels get scenes on how many Kegels you do a day, but I don't put anything inside of me.

I don't think that's a healthy pH. I feel like post-fruity pebbles maybe isn't the most like clean ingredients to put inside of your body, but that's not what what it is.
What it is is

she urinated

in his mouth

Brett's and direct stream. It wasn't like that.
I don't know the specific details. I don't know.

I don't know. Here's what we do know.
We do know that what Jesse said was verbatim, Grandpa Brett likes to drink her piss like it's dirty soda and he gulps it down like water.

And that's what Fruity Pebbles is. And that's now a vocal stem in my head so allegedly her urine tastes like fruity pebbles

that's where the joke stems from cheers and then there's a scene i think either from the second season or first season that's going that's recirculating right now where they did a taste test on three different drinks um and had brett try it and we're like what does it taste like like what does it taste like trying to get him to say it tastes like fruity pebbles yeah but yeah i i also think that if it has to be a direct stream because if she's peeing in a cup and he's putting a straw in there, we're doing too much.

Yeah, that's a bit. It also kind of takes,

we don't need to get into it. I did find it interesting that Demi's response to this was first like,

how dare you? Like, this was a private moment between me and my husband, which is interesting because they did like, they were like dressed up as it for Halloween.

It was like very much joke within season one.

Yeah, I don't, I guess. But then quickly turned it into like fuck it.
That's double down. PR, real TikToks, making it a trend, eating all the fruity pebbles.

Like, we're in the middle of a very serious essay allegation coming from Demi while simultaneously making fruity pebbles as a piss kinker brand. Yeah.

The video that they posted of them in bed and Brett has the cup with the yellow liquid in there. I was just like, this is too much.

free pebble rice krispies to Thanksgiving. Yeah.
Honestly. I mean, by all means, make the joke of it.
I'm like, I, I, what is she supposed to do? What is she supposed to do? I kind of see it.

I get it. Her statement was, what my husband and I did one time behind closed doors was a consensual and private experience in our marriage.

I won't let a private act between my husband and I be a distraction from a serious act I did not consent to. I shared this information with Jesse in confidence nearly two years ago.

It's very telling that she's choosing to break storyline and bring it up now only after her affairs come to light.

This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to shift attention away from her own behavior. I think she's valid.
Well, me, one, not private. You told Jesse and 50 other people.

You dressed up as it was the running joke of the season. Yeah, it was the inside.
It was every time Demi posted a joke.

Every time Demi posted on Instagram, it was something having to do with a box of fruity pebbles. She was like teasing it.
She wanted people to ask. She told people offline.
And I think she told us.

Taking the heat away from her affair. I think Jesse has done everything possible to take accountability.
She's gone on a national podcast. She's openly talked about it.

She had a season, a whole season surrounding it. Like, I don't think she's trying to distract whatsoever.
I think she's actually taken every shot fired at her that she possibly can.

And now she's just like, well, the idea of coming off of a social media break to go for the nuclear option

is something that I respect so, so, so deeply. It's like Selena Goma's level mastermind, amazing.
I just wish they left the piece at the season finale, like where they were friends for two seconds.

Like, I feel like we had the light. We saw the light.
Yeah, it was never going to last, though.

Unfortunately, because, you know, we're Netflix talent now, I won't be hosting this next upcoming reunion. I don't think this stuff's going to be a part of it.
I hope it is.

I think from Jesse's original video where she said the whole Brett likes to drink the dirty soda,

she said in there that something happened during the reunion that is unforgivable from Demi, and that's why she made the video that she made. Yep.

Yeah.

But this, but talking about what Fruity Pebbles actually is is probably not a conversation. Yeah, because that happened after.
Whatever Demi brings up at the reunion.

Well, in happy, non-disgusting news from Mormon Wives, Whitney, our girl, Roxy Hart, baby.

I called it. I feel like Nick with Taylor Frankie Paul.

I think this is like great for her. I honestly think this is exactly what she needs to do.
I am curious, though. Can she sing? I don't know, but I guess she'll like it.
If she can't, she will. Yeah.

She can do anything.

I am curious, though, because obviously we had, you know, Taylor Frankie Paul doing being the bachelorette and she got a lot of criticism for like leaving her children and like prioritizing her and her career and finding love and whatever.

I am curious how Whitney, and maybe this is just on like a human-level, mom-level question of just like how she's managing both, right? Because right now, her career has skyrocketed.

She just did Dancing with the Stars for what, three, four months. I know she has kids in like school level, maybe they're homeschooled.
I don't know, but like

how like to be in LA for four months doing Dancing with the Stars and then to now shift to New York York City doing Chicago, like that's takes so much of her time.

How is she managing like prioritizing being a mom and her kids who I imagine have some sort of schedule and routine that like, you know, and I know their home base was Utah.

So it's like, I just am so curious. Three.
I'm just so curious like how that. I mean, they moved to LA for Dancing with the Stars, right?

I feel like I saw a TikTok saying that that's what they were doing. They were living in like Hollywood.
And I think Connor, you know, is very hands-on, very stay-at-home. Yeah.

Also, I mean, as a person with no kids, like, I don't know how to do that, but I do feel like there are a lot of, like, especially on Broadway,

like, there are a lot of Broadway stars with kids and like people who seem to figure it out and like serve on the stage. I'm sure she'll figure it out.
I'm sure she'll figure it out.

That's a fascinating question, Tanelli. It is.
It is interesting. Dancing with the stars in Broadway for Whitney.

It's like, it's not her, you know, to your point, Mary, if, if, like, if, if Whitney just becomes, let's say for the next six years, she's like, she's, she's Roxy from Chicago.

I mean, she'll figure it out. It'll become their new life.
Yeah. To Natalie's point, Whitney has gone from, all right, let's, we're just, we're going to uproot our life.
We're moving to LA.

We're going to do Dancing with the Stars. And then now we're going to uproot our life.
We're going to go to New York. We're going to do Broadway.
It's a lot for all of them.

I mean, it's yet to their credit. I mean,

I am curious how they're making it all work. People don't do Roxy for more than like a stint, though, right?

But even to Natalie's point, I'm like, even if it's like a month, two-month run, like she's still going to have eight to 10 shows a week.

And then she's also like rehearsal, you know, I feel like they're just even you get like one day off. Like, you know, Whitney Carson from Dancing with the Stars, who I know has two young boys, like

during filming of Dancing with the Stars, it's like they depend so much on their, you know, you know, I don't know if they take their kids out of school.

I don't know if they're just away from their kids for the four three month period or if their kids, you know, a lot of them don't even live in LA. So like, I'm just so curious, like, how it's managed.

Obviously, we have, we're very busy. We're constantly on the go.
We don't have, you know, she's not in school or anything yet. So we're still able to do that.

But we realize like once she is in school, our life has to drastically slow down,

you know, and it's like, I just can't imagine what is going through Whitney's head of like, I'm finally getting like everything I've ever wanted in my life.

And it's obviously happening at a time where like she's got three kids who I'm sure like demand her attention just as much as Roxy Hart and Dancing with the Stars does.

So it's just like fascinating how everyone manages it all. I don't know.

Well, speaking of hot people doing things, our next guest is hot, and she's doing a lot of things.

She's always doing the things. Including

Joe Bradley.

And she had a rendezvous with her

ex-lover's mom, which she talks about. As one does.
Yeah. And that's all up next with the Countess Luann Delisepes.

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Luann, welcome back to the show. How are you? I, you know, first of all, I just want to apologize.

It is winter, so hopefully you're not feeling too hot and steamy because last time you were on the show, you were in studio and I was fanning you. And honestly,

well, you know, as it's winter, there's no need, darling. And I'm not in the studio, unfortunately, because I'd rather be in the studio with you.
I just enjoyed it. I just, you know, I enjoyed it.

Speaking of hot,

how are you? I'm great. I'm great.
I uh, I'm out in the Hamptons and uh taking a little break this week before I go back on my tour.

I know this is a podcast, but I almost want to ask for like a house tour.

Oh, I know, right? Oh, the house. I just renovated this house, so I am so happy.
Let me show you quickly my view.

So this is the water

in the Hamptons.

And, you know, it's a little cold out there today, but it's warm in here.

Cute.

Tell us about your cabaret show. How has it been going? Oh, it's been going great.
I played in Vegas. I saw you in Vegas, Nick.

And I did a show on Friday at the House of Blues. How was that? Which was awesome.

You know, listen, it was all the Bravo fans were there. So I thought, you know what? It's a good time to do a cabaret show.

And it was very cool. And so was BravoCon.
I actually had a really good time. I lost my voice on the second or third day, but

I came back just in time for the holiday show. Did you do anything other than obviously kicking ass and performing at your cabaret show? Did you do anything whacking wild at BravoCon?

Have you ever hooked up with anyone at BravoCon?

Well, a lot of flirting has gone down at BravoCon. it's there's only two so uh-huh there was only two so um

well a lot of flirting went down and other than uh that i went to see thunder down under which was

i'm playing australia so i was doing a little you know research yes of course yes yes best place for research i heard that uh you met joe bradley's mom also during bravo con

how was that

let's just say you know i felt like i put the hoe in holidays

It was, you know, it was so interesting.

I was sitting with, I was with Tamara and Teddy, and this woman walks up to me, you know, around my age, and she says, I just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. I'm Joe Bradley's mother.

And I went, oh, okay.

It took me a second to gather myself. And

you were like, and I'm his lover? No.

That's too bad. Thank you for putting him on the planet.

That's the best gift you could have given the universe. Yeah, because he's great.
You know, listen, Joe was there with his new girlfriend.

And so, you know, I said hello to him at some point with a new girlfriend. And, and, and, you know, and it was just so cool to meet his mother because, uh, you know, she's a businesswoman.

She's got her own business, a furniture business, which is thriving. And, you know, we talked for, I would say, 45 minutes.
She stayed with me.

So, yeah, we had a lot of catching up to do.

It was very, it was, it was very cool talking about meeting the parents when all of that came out wasn't it on it was on their reunion right on their show reunion I guess it was I heard it was um but really it all started in the clubhouse with Andy what was your reaction when you heard that that went down at their reunion I was like don't they have anything else to talk about

of course

other than other than our you know brief encounter in New York after watch what happens live um but I was you know I was

let's say, I felt good about it because there was nothing wrong with it.

It was kind of innocent, although he looked really guilty. But

I've been down that road with the pirate, so I know how he felt.

Oh, who can forget about the pirate?

Anyway, I was just giving an interview and I said, you know, listen, if I slept with a pirate, I would wear it like a badge of honor at this point because I'm so open and honest about my relationships and stuff.

So,

but, you know, we definitely had a connection um and there was you know chemistry and that's what i like about him he's you know he's a guy who is grown up in the south well-raised good manners and that's important to me and i think mature beyond his years what is your relationship status these days well i am dating

um I just did a show in Honolulu not too long ago, so I saw James from the Love Hotel. Okay.
But James lives in Hawaii. I mean, it's easier to get to Paris than it is to get to Hawaii.
That's true.

You know, his life is very much so in Hawaii. My life is very much so in New York.
And even though we adore each other and see each other when we can, James is like, you know, Lou,

you know, you should date. I don't want you to go out alone.

So he's very grown up and has very little ego about that, which is super cool. Is there a world in which you would ever like host Love Hotel? Well,

for me, uh it is the perfect fit a lot of the uh

of the girls and the guys in terms of um dating and um you know for me i think it'd be the perfect fit because

you know people are always asking me about that you know how you get guys and how you flirt and how how you seem to have this knack for gentlemen let's put it that way and So now I'm actually doing an audiobook for Class with the Countess, which, you know, has been a long time coming.

And I'm going to add a chapter on dating and flirting in there because people are always asking me about that. So yeah, I think hosting something like the Love Hotel, it would be a great fit for me.

Don't you?

We do. Not to backtrack a little bit, but I'm curious,

your lady friends who are around your peers, your age, give or take.

I know you're friends with a lot of different people, but when you have an encounter like you did with Joe Bradley, do some of your friends that are around your age, are they like quizzing you?

Are they a little jelly? Are they being like Luann? Like, how do we get some of that like young ass? Like, well,

well, listen, you know, I typically don't date that young. And like I said, Joe is, you know, wise beyond his ears.

So I, you know, I often tell my friends that it's really the energy you put out there. And I don't apologize for anything really

in terms of what I like about guys

and how guys I feel are a a lot easier to deal with than most women.

And so I think it's really about the energy you put out there.

You know, did you see that thing with Wes on the back seat? Oh, yeah.

I didn't see it.

Oh, you didn't see it? No. Oh, my God.
So, Wes is on the plane from, you know, BravoCon, and I got on, and I just kind of leaned over the backseat and said, what are we drinking, champagne?

And he took a, he took a snapshot of me. I didn't even know it.

And he went on this whole rant about, you know, how much he loved that moment, which was kind of a flirty moment.

And

so I think that my housewives or friends that are my age, I think they like the fact that I like to flirt.

And I don't think that they are jealous. I think that they are.
often in like wonder, like, how did that happen? And oftentimes for myself, because it's about being in the moment, having good energy.

I like guys, so I like to talk to guys. He happened to be sitting right behind me, Wes.

And so, you know, we started talking, et cetera. And then this kind of thing went out about how it went viral for him, this moment.

And, you know, I love that I have that kind of effect on

people like him. Wes, Wes would have been a fun one for you to dabble in.
Is there another gentleman in Bravo that you would be interested?

Like, you know, like you're watching Bravo and you're like, I would. Oh, well, most of the cast of Southern Charm.
Yeah.

There was a moment where I was with Andy and

Craig. It was Craig, yeah.

He looked especially dapper that whole Bravo weekend, didn't he? He kept on changing up. He looked very nice.
I will say one of his hairdos, he kind of looked like he was a waiter at Ed DeBevic's.

Oh, and I'm thinking he looked so debonair.

He did look debonair, but he had, you know what i'm talking about right where that like like loop you know it's like like what are you performing in greece or you know he's single try new things he's just mixing it up he is the bachelor of of bravo right now he's he's mr hot commodity right well there you go did y'all share a moment we did uh we did at a party which was um kind of like um

Actually, it was a party thrown by the head of Bravo PR, Jen Geiser. And

I came late because I did a cabaret show that night. So I came in at like midnight.
And by then, kind of all the girls were kind of like fizzling out.

And I was just getting started.

Okay, good night. See you.
Yeah.

I was Andy and Craig and

one more from

summer house, Kyle. Oh, Kyle.
Kyle was hanging out. So I hung out with the boys.
We had, we, you know, we stayed for a little while longer and I had a great time with them.

You know, it's so much fun, the, the BravoCon, because it's, it's like your family somehow, right? It's like you're, you're relatives of sorts, you know, because we're all related.

Yeah.

I'm surprised nobody killed each other. It's, you know, it's like you all have the same father.

Speaking about relationships with women, I also saw that there was a little beef between you and Erica Jane, that you were asked who the rudest celebrity, bravo lebrity was, and you said Erica.

And then you guys were given an opportunity to squash the beef and she refused. Oh, no.
How do you feel about that? I'm fine with it.

It's not like we've ever been really friends before. And, you know, it was like a bad bitch kind of term of endearment.
Let's call it that. Okay.
Okay.

What made you say her name? Well, she's a badass bitch and, you know, entertainer.

So I have a lot of respect for that. And,

you know, when you're in the moment and you're dealing with fans and you're trying to have some fun with them, you know, it was like a bad bitch kind of scenario. Question, Luann.

I feel like this is the most like thing that gets talked about every year is like, who was mean?

Who like snarked somebody? Like this, I feel like this is always talked about year after year.

Is it really something that like bothers you women when someone's like, oh yeah, I tried to talk to you and she like brushed me off. She didn't say hello.
Like, is that something that really is like.

Depends on who you ask, probably. Yeah, I mean, I guess.
It's never pleasant when somebody's not outwardly friendly. Right.

I mean, I had someone that like I know, and they were out to lunch with someone. I don't know who they were with.
I was getting lunch. I saw them.
I waved.

Hi.

I didn't walk over. I was like, I had 20 minutes to get my lunch.
I was in a rush. Weeks later, I found out that they were all upset that I didn't come over and say hello.

And they're like, you don't like me. And I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, things get miscrewed all miss screwed.

Miss Screwed all the time. I mean, right? Like, for example, I said about Doreet, you know, she's always with Kyle.
She never is friendly to me and doesn't make an effort.

You know, I like, you know, you know, when somebody likes you or wants to get to know you better, right? You make an effort. Totally.

Now that you didn't go over because you're probably trying to be polite and you were in a hurry and you didn't want to interrupt. So that gets misconstrued sometimes.

And that happens all the time in housewives. I feel like it does.
I feel like they're always complaining about that. I think you're just too busy to be mad and hold grudges, though.

I'm really not a person that does hold grudges. And I've learned through my years as the housewives, you know, it's better to squash the beef, as Andy would say, and move on.

Because, you know, this show is all about conflict and resolution. When you don't have resolution, it gets dark, right? You want to have some sort of, you know, light at the end of the tunnel.

Like, you know, maybe we can be friends. We should get you producing the valley, Luann.
Speaking of producing, before we let you go, we are hearing rumors that the Roney cast is set. It's locked.

It's ready to go. Lots of speculation about who is going to be a part of that because it seems to be like another mix-up.
I know, obviously, the reboot really didn't land.

Curious, Luann, what do you know about it? What can you tease? Any chance you're going to be a part of it? Spill the tea. Well, let's spill the tea, shall we? I think Andy Cohen squashed it, right?

He squashed the beef with the fans. And I think the fans are really upset to hear that the OGs are not coming back.

So I don't think they are. Otherwise, I would know.
But I think there's other things in the works. That's what he teased.

He said that Legacy wasn't going to come back, but that you will be showing up elsewhere. I was like, can we tease anything on that? Not really.

All of a sudden,

episodes of the show. Not really.
I feel very blessed because I've been able to do my cabaret shows. You know, I'm playing, you know, I'm going out to Kansas City next week.
I'll be in

Cincinnati doing holiday shows and then in New York doing Sony Hall with

Christmas Cabaret. And so I feel very fortunate that I'm still working after all this time.
You know, Carson Cressy and I had this conversation. He goes, girl, can you believe we're still around?

And so, you know, I did Crappy Lake the spin-off for them. Then I did the Love Hotel, right? So, you know, I feel like I'm still part of the family.
I was at BabelCon.

And so, you know, I've been able to have this long career and I'm talking 15 years now in reality, which which is kind of unheard of.

And then, you know, break off and do Cavare, which is my love affair. So I feel like the story is not over.
Like doing Ultimate Road Trip not over?

Well, I don't know what iteration it will be, but I feel like that there's something coming on. And I think the fans will be pleased.
Yay. Love.
Okay. But you didn't hear it from me.

No, no, no, no, no. We didn't.

No, we didn't.

But I'm hoping that something new and exciting to the table for the OGs. Okay.
Ultimate road trip, maybe. Maybe.
Maybe. Or hosting.
Or hosting. Or hosting.

Or hosting Love Hotel, which for me, I've been dreaming about this for years, the Love Hotel, because listen, you know, a lot of housewives have become single on the show.

And it's time to hook our housewives up. Truly.

There needs to be more dating in Bravo World. Absolutely.
And I'm so glad the Love Hotel worked really well. And I feel like I ran away with the prize.
I'm the only one that left the hotel with a guy.

I mean, truly. I mean, other girls left the hotel with guys, but I don't feel like it was the same way.
You seem to be the most open. Well, I was really, I put away my phone

for the weeks that we're there.

And I kept an open mind and kept an open heart about these guys who, what, it takes a lot of balls to walk into a show like that. You don't know.
who we are, first of all.

They didn't know they were going to be dating housewives.

They don't know anything about this except that it's going to be a dating show. So I give them kudos because if you watch the show, they look so natural.
Like they've been doing reality forever.

So I thought that the cast and the guys they brought along were great. I mean, they did a great job.
First of all, I thought they were good-looking guys, a lot of silver foxes.

Right?

But, you know, James really won my heart. Next time you're in Hawaii, I'm sure maybe y'all could get married.

When I'm ready to hang up my cabaret Giovanni dresses for flip-flops that'll be there you go

fox and cargo shorts yeah no tarpsuit though

Luann it's always a pleasure catching up with you can you please remind our audience to where they can find your cabaret tickets countessluann.com and I'm posting on my Instagram so I can't wait to uh bring them the very countess Christmas and of course you know i'm going to um australia in the new year so that's super exciting um playing bandi beach cash opening.

So it's like a big batch.

Wow. Yeah, I'm super excited about that.
And other upcoming shows, which are around the world, because I have a new tour, which is going to be the Love Tour, based on my

experience with the Love Hotel. And of course, my dating life in general.
So I'm excited for that. I can't wait.
Well, we're excited to see what's to come for you, Luann.

Hopefully, it's the ultimate road trip, but sounds like something. We're excited to see what it is.
Go check out Luann's cabaret show wherever you can see it. Luann, always a pleasure.
Thank you guys.

Bye. All right, you as well as you have.
Have holidays.

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Mirror Ball. Mirror Ball champions.
What season is this?

Congrats, Devon. I want to say 19, but I feel like.

Season 34. 34.
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Damn.

Well, Whitney got her second Mirror Ball. Her first partner was Alfonso,

who is now the host of Dancing with the Stars.

So that was a nice little moment uh there's also uh isn't there like drama happening in the dancing with the stars universe now that uh well it is unfortunate you know that their like moment is kind of being taken away by this which i think is honestly kind of stupid it's so whitney carson like a while ago posted saying that like her husband is a golden retriever posted a bunch of screenshots of their text messages where he's just like a very happy texter the complete opposite of nick nick's like nice okay cool yeah Okay.

Gotcha. I don't know why it's not.
I'm not going to throw me into it. Sorry.
I'm just like the opposite, the opposite of this. And then her husband is just like

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This is the trend she was doing. This is a trend.
This is a thing. See, trends will get you in trouble.
Yeah. Yeah.
We're learning.

So in one of her screenshots, At the top of the message, you can see where her and her husband are having a previous conversation. He's like, oh, I should text him.
She's like, yeah, text him.

And then he says, Zach Efron is here. And her response to that is clear as day in the screenshot.
Yeah, they're trying to get votes, which

at the end of the day is not like really a crime. It's not, it's maybe a little snarky.
It's also to her husband. It's to her husband.
It's not like she commented that on social media.

If I can't be honest with my husband, where can I be honest? It's exactly what every single one of you haters needs to start doing. Like just start texting someone in your life.

You know, like, you don't need to comment under someone's profile and, like, be a hater and a troll. Just do what everyone else normal does and, like, talk shit to your people.

It's also why we have close friend stories, everybody. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a...
She was definitely being a hater.

But, you know, she's in full competition mode. That's what I was going to say.
I was like, I don't know so much as like haters. It's like, I'm sorry Zach showed up.

I'm like, what else are you going say like i'm yay i'm just like girl well she could say like a million other things like yeah it's pretty cool huh but i mean that's like that's her one of her bigger cook competitions that's where i'm like i would be say the same thing if my husband sexed me i'd be like okay sure whatever you know what i mean like i'm loser brother finally decided to show he just does

well i wonder if there's if there's also a message like when dennis quaid was there for elaine hendrix where she and she's like yeah they're just trying to get votes trying to get votes you know probably

literally all trying to get votes. This is what a hot point.
She's stating a fight.

You know, when you see someone get fried online, and you're like, ah, that shit I do all the time. I'm just like, How did she look? Like, that's something I would get in trouble with her.

How did she look through her text and be like, These are the ones, and not be like, that's going to get me canceled? Because she wasn't thinking about it that deeply.

I'm the most shocked about that, that she did it. She clearly wasn't like reading everything.

You know, like, we have, we are so conscious of like any video we're posting, like we make sure there's not someone in the background, you know, talking about, you know, private matters or something we wouldn't want the world to know.

I make sure there's never like a reflection of like Rivers' face in something. Like we are so uber conscious of what we post.
And clearly she just was like, oh, here's just some screenshots, whatever.

Who gives a fuck? Like, he's excellent. He's cute.

She wasn't thinking it was that deep. And like, of course, this becomes a thing like while she's trying to celebrate being a champion.
And like, when

this happened after they won I mean I think the the this video that she posted about her husband was like a while ago

yeah it had to have been two weeks ago because that's when Zach was why is it now a thing exactly because this is what people do because they hold on to shit they hold on to shit until they feel like this is the best time to tear someone down and is Tamara judge behind this

You know, here's the problem with this. It's just, it's a shit poster's nightmare because as a as a shit poster, you're just being earnest online and being like, this is dumb.
I'm going to post this.

But do you know how many times I will text Justin and send him something and say, can I post this? And then he goes, no.

I say, know what you're about to do. And then I don't.
So I think Whitney really needs a Justin in her life. It's deleted now.
I guarantee you, she will never make this mistake again. She won't.

She will be like watching over her shit and making sure everything is like crystal clear from now on. But it is, that is just like annoying.

At the end of the day, it was, and I think she is like genuinely very close with Danielle. I don't think at the end of the day.
Do you think she's like, yes, they're trying to get votes, huh?

Probably. Literally, probably.
She went up to Danielle and Dylan being like, you bitch is trying to get some votes, huh? You brought in the big guns. Like, she probably was talking shit to their face.

It's exactly what almost. Almost certainly.
And then her husband texted her and she's like, yeah, no, I know. They're trying to get votes.
I already gave them shit for it.

I would text Whitney if I were Danielle being like, So, I heard what you said about me. Yeah,

people make stuff so deep, it's not that serious. It was a good season, though.
I mean, their numbers are

through the roof. Really? It'll be interesting because there's been a lot of conversation about like this particular cast and how well it performed.

But, you know, I'm curious why they think this cast performs so well.

Because it's not as if, like,

is it because they had more like internet celebrities? I think it's like they have a lot of people whose careers are just starting versus like established careers or like the resurgence of that.

It kind of feels like Dancing with the Stars is becoming more of a stepping stone than it is, like, uh, hey, remember who I was. I thought about this over the past week.

My thought is that it's because Dancing with the Stars is so ingrained in social media TikTok trends now. Like, I feel like four seasons ago is when they started dabbling in it.
Right.

And it was the show mances, it was the dances, it was the trends. And now, like, everybody's doing it.

Even if you're a celebrity that doesn't do social media, when you go in dancing with the stars, your dancer makes you do it. You're professional.
Right.

You know, so I feel like that's where they're grouping in all these younger audiences or you're able to guide your storyline outside of just the show and like garner more votes.

And like the Alex Earls and like Dylan's who are like younger and newer, but like bigger on social media. And like, I feel like, yeah, it definitely ties in.

Because internet stars were always a part of it. Like JoJo did it a couple of years ago.

Like people have always done it, but I think it's more about the trends that are being posted rather just like hiring or casting social media stars and i also think this year they just they the they cast it so well of just specifically like the type of internet stars that are in that like even through the finger was just like on the pulse of even with like andy richter lane hendricks like they're like they know they're everyone on there is like pretty much beloved

um in a way or even if they're not they're extremely compelling so like a sensation of some sort yes And then you bring in the Mormon wives, and everything that those girls touch is gold.

I mean, Robert Irwin. Robert Irwin.
Yeah.

Like, it was just, it was a, whoever, whoever was in the casting department really, really hated.

Shout out to Dina Caps. Shout out to Dina Cap.
She knows what she's doing. That's why she's been there for so long.
And

she's now casting Traders.

Is she?

Zach the Mundo, baby.

Good for her. Breaking news.
It turns out

we're going to see more of Dylan Efron.

Not so much his brother. Maybe his brother will make a cameo if they need votes, of course.

And

Boston Rob are teaming up for a new YouTube series. Oh.
This honestly, yeah, I feel like this is exactly what.

It's called Everything's a Competition, a new YouTube series where survivor winner Boston Robb and Traders winner Dylan Efron go head-to-head in a series of unpredictable challenges. No, I can't wait.

I love watching people do things.

I feel like that's just what it is. Watch us do

sticky cup and taste. I like watching people do things.
Especially hot people. I do.
You know? Especially hot people doing things. Especially hot people doing things.
Southern Charm.

We have a rapid recap. If you missed the most recent episode, Miss Pat has a cutty silver gator candle, which is important to mention off the bat before we forget.

Because really what we need to talk about is the Sally-Vanita-Craig situation. Vanita thinks Sally centers men, and Sally is like, yeah, I'm trying to fuck.

Sally also says she would fuck Austin the minute he breaks up with Audrey. Rodrigo does not trust trust this behavior.

Craig is single and drinking and having sad boy hours because his gay assistant is his best friend. Someone got Madison a baby's first spray tan kit at her baby shower.

Austin and Shep think Craig is too much of a pussy to seal the deal with Sally. Also, there's a new guy in the group who has a mustache.

Shep has apparently slid into the DMs of new girl Charlie, and she said he gives dad energy. Once again, Shep fumbles a hottie by being old and weird.

Molly declares she could never date a man who doesn't know what a euphonium is. Exactly, Diva, know your worth.
Sally and Craig flirt while playing football on the beach.

craig is impressed that she as a woman can throw a spiral and nature heals sally is like okay things are happening with craig vanita is like this is not girls girl behavior but then craig goes into the ocean with new girl charlie and they get flirty sally is like this is not girl code i'm the only one here that gets to flirt with a man that hates my best friend also not for nothing madison thinks that austin isn't that into audrey and sally wants austin more than craig anyway austin tells audrey i mean yeah i do like her but that doesn't matter and audrey is like question mark question mark what?

And Whitney wore a sweater to the beach. Ah, the classic cycle of this girl is my bestie and now she is.

Yeah. Do I actually think it's kind of creepy when girls move a little too fast where I'm like, you two just met last year and now she's your best friend?

But then it's like, you want to date the guy that you know that they're having issues with.

Like, why would you call Vanita your best friend in the first place unless it's like some sort of like solidifying? your relationships in this group.

And then it's also like Vanita, of course she hasn't de-centered men. She's single and trying to fuck.
What do you think is going to happen?

But also, and the fact that Sally keeps just like forgetting that Vanita and Craig have beef. You know, it's like,

come on. Is she your best friend or do you barely know her and know what's going on in her life? Is she your best friend or are you guys on the show together now? What is the beef?

That she was, that she was Team Page?

That Vanita came on the show, said what she said, and then Craig went on Watch What Happens Live and said, like, I'll never speak to her again. She's not my friend.
Okay.

And they never like have had a conversation since.

So there's just like some beef there sally being vanita's quote-unquote best friend they're close now they're close now yeah and she just like continuously forgets that there's like some awkward tension between the two of them and talks to vanita about craig like

they're all kumbaya and she just keeps being like i just forget that y'all have beef oh then also saying that you're not interested in craig or like that it's not not that serious just trying to have fun then it was saying that you would hook up with austin the second that his girlfriend goes away

that was a crazy comment. Unprovoked.
No, literally came out of nowhere. Like you were friends with his girlfriend, essentially.

And then you're like, yeah, by the day that they break up, I'm sliding right in. I'm in those sheets.
That was awesome. For the Craig stuff, I'm, you know,

I don't get the whole like, you know, the centering men. I mean, I get it.
I know what it's all about, but like, what is that supposed to mean?

Like, to your point, Mary, it's just like, well, if you're, if you're single and you're trying to.

But I guess the one guy that your best friend is having issues with, like, Craig isn't the one guy, gay.

Craig's the hottest guy in Bravo Nation, you know, like if you're Sally. But he's also not the only guy in Charleston.

Like, I get that he's on the show when they're trying to make a storyline, but it's like. Literally on the show.
The guy on the show is the most eligible man in Bravo Nation. And like,

if Sally were to legitimately date Craig,

that would really help out her career. Sure.
But in that case, then I'm like, I'm team Charlie because I'm also like, Charlie literally just showed up being herself.

Craig is clearly enamored with her. So are all the other men foaming at the mouth.

And then Sally gets mad at Charlie because Craig is paying attention to her where it's like, I thought you're not that interested. Is Sally Loki the Sheena of Southern Trim?

The like

cry for attention when they're playing football. And she's like, Charlie, Charlie, Craig, Craig, the football.
Guys, come on. Let's play.
Hello?

And she's like clearly trying to get them to stop talking and they're just like completely ignoring her. And then she's like, seriously, seriously you would go after Craig after everything

or Charlie just go play football and he's like we're both playing and she's like so I was like what the fuck I did have a question is a girl that's able to throw a football hot yeah to guys like I just think in my head I was like oh usually in my head that'd be like oh you're like a girl's girl or a boy's girl and you're like one of the boys if you're like playing football with them but maybe that is like a turn on for some people i don't i don't think the i don't think the boys care but question for the ladies do you think she is a uh not a girl's girl if she can throw a football is she a pick-me?

When I was younger and still trying to

impress boys, when I still had men-centered in my life, I used to play football all the time, but it was not in the way that the boys wanted to see me playing football. I was getting down and dirty.

So, I don't know if that's necessarily going to work for a guy. But when she's like, tee hee, I can throw this.
I think guys

like it when you're a little bit bad at sports so they can teach you how to be good at the sport. I don't know.

I felt like they really did like having Sally throwing the ball, austin like continuously complimenting at like how good she is at football and then to have like audrey be like i'll play and then she like throws it poorly and it's like he clearly was like all right you know like this isn't any fun like come on yeah it just was like like if they want to fuck him then they're into it I just always remember in like elementary school when I was playing sports, it was like there would be two girls playing football with the boys.

And it was me and those, it was this one other girl. And I looked like a little boy.

and the other girl was like serving while she was playing and they were all obsessed with her it's really just like if they find you hot they're gonna find what you're doing hot and if they don't they're not going to i mean that whole scene for me was amazing because it was like psychology 101 it was like sally's throwing the football in hopes of getting craig's attention but craig's looking over at charlie being like hey take a shot with me and she's like i don't think so and he was like but you have to so then he ends up taking a shot with her sally's over here trying to get attention you've got austin and the other guy giving sally all of this all of these compliments for being good at football.

Then Craig's looking at this, whatever the game that they were going to play, and he was like, I don't want to put this together. Charlie goes, I'll put it together.

And then Craig's like, all right, so I think we match up the yellow with the yellow. And I was just like,

yeah. It's just crash 101, baby.
Literally. Dating Charlie or Sally has a better chance of dating Craig.
Charlie. Charlie.
She doesn't want him as bad.

Yeah. Charlie's like, I'll take it or leave it.
Not that big of a deal. And Sally is.

Do we know if they do date? all i know from the trailer was that it's gonna be like a messy relationship we don't know

perfect you know what i'm saying though like

charlie and craig yeah i mean if it's then it's just a show man's like you know what i'm saying like this was filmed like uh what last summer or whatever if if we haven't seen pictures if they're not hanging out if they're not like you know what i'm saying you can't really hide i agree with this a relationship yeah in bravo world then then they're not legitimately dating but we do have craig's like bachelor pad where he clearly like

you know, she could have come over there a couple times. Oh, maybe they hooked up.
Maybe, maybe they had a show man's. I'm just saying it's clearly, it's clear that nothing happens.

Like, I think they hook up for sure. Yeah.
Um, I, I'm just curious if it's gonna be something where like Charlie steps back for Sally, but I'm just like, it just doesn't, I don't know.

I feel like if a guy wants a girl, he's gonna go after that girl and the other girls are just gonna have to deal with it. Yeah.
But usually the women fight as if it's like their choice.

My optics of this whole season is that it has to be show man's. It's like you brought in Charlie to date Craig and then out of nowhere is Sally single and super into dating whoever on this

whoever's available. It sounds like this is literally just a showmance season to me.
I don't know. Why doesn't Sally date Shep? Listen, I feel like also it's a bunch of hot people that are single.

By all means, everybody mix and mingle. Just make sure you're doing it on camera.
Shep wears a visor. No one wants to date.
He wears a visor.

It'll be like episode seven and, you know, Craig will pick Charlie. And then all of a sudden

you'll see

Sally sitting on a park bench, spiraling. And then like Shep will like

walk up to her, like, you know, just walk in the streets of

where are they? Where are they from? Can someone on the internet make a sad Shep fan cam of him fumbling and send it to me, please? Wait, we need to talk about the DM. The DM.

Is this a preview for what's to come? And sir, you had the time to change your shirt. You were hoping to show up matching her? That's, he's, I'm sorry.
Chef is a lover. He is a lover boy.

I do love the fact that he was like very open about DMing Charlie. Like, he wasn't trying to make it some just like weird, like, don't tell anyone.

He just was like, oh, like, you didn't wear the outfit. And then he's like, I DM'd her on Instagram.
And then they all made it weird, you know? That was.

Well, Charlie was funny with the, like, it was giving dad energy where it's just like, oh, is that what's to come? And then it's like, come to find out.

It's just like, oh, I just thought because I saw, you know, I don't know.

It just gets very much like, like i thought it'd be funny it'd be cute if we matched but it's like are you hitting on me or like are we are we friends what's happening here are we over the the term girls girl people don't really replace that as much yeah i don't think you see it as much as the comment right now i didn't you know i never heard of it until uh until like five years ago until nikki glazer came on the show and she had like just read a book Really?

And then I think, I don't know, I don't know if she was just trying new material, but she was saying some shit that really pissed off my audience.

And that was the first time I ever heard the phrase pick me or girl's girl because she had just read some book and she was, you know, she was being nicky and she was being funny and she was kind of like doing her bits.

And some of my most, more, more

earnest audience members were not in love with it. I had never heard the phrase pick me or

girl's girl. And now, and then like everything else, it became like...

every other fight. It was, you're not a girl's girl.
You're a girl's girl. You're not a girl's girl.
I don't know. I feel feel like I'm kind of sick of the accusation these days.
It's an old term.

Yeah. Well, the real accusations are in Salt Lake City, where we still can't figure out what the hell happened on the airplane.
And producers are still pissed. They didn't pick up cameras.

So we had a whole episode of everyone still arguing about what the hell went on on the airplane.

And if you missed the most recent episode of the Real House Five of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap. Meredith and Lisa can't figure out why everyone was weird to them at church.

But don't worry, Mary has planned a Sunday brunch to get to the the bottom of the plane situation. P.S.

Mary didn't invite Brittany, even though she apologized for calling her ungodly because her dog didn't think it was a good idea. So anyway, let's get to the plane debrief.

Meredith claims she was crying and venting to Lisa for 30 minutes, which again, the number has now changed for like

15, 30.

The whole plane. Heather and Whitney were like, no, it was psychotic and diabolical and lasted the entire flight.

Meredith said, that's not true because I watched Crazy Rich Asians in another movie and I don't remember. And do not ask me how Crazy Rich Rich Asians ends because I do not know.
Thank you very much.

Meredith feels like her and Brittany are allowed to not like each other, but she is sorry that she made her cry.

Lisa says she has global entry, but she forgot to use it and was listening to Kendrick Lamar. So she's uninvolved with all this drama.

Whitney claims that either Meredith has hatred in her heart, an anger problem, or a problem mixing substances. Meredith is like, that's crazy.
I don't know what you guys want me to say.

I just don't like Brittany. Also, Whitney should focus on her own healing and stay out of my business.

Lisa talked to Brittany who told her the plane ride was the sixth worst thing she's ever experienced in her life.

Whitney is triggered by Meredith because her dad was an addict and thinks she's the same. I'm sure this storyline will end well.

But the main event of this episode is Bronwyn, Muzzy, and Gwen, who step into the public serving three generations of fuck-ass bobs with a side of to plant bonsai trees, therefore eating at a level previously unknown to mankind.

Brava all around to all of these incredibly gifted women. And then Meredith and Brittany meet at a gorgeous gazebo to talk about the plane.

Meredith apologizes through gritted teeth, but they do seem to have a genuine moment and agree to move on with civility, conflict, and resolution, baby. Hell yeah.

I did love that Britney was like, this was the sixth worst. The sixth worst.
That's so honest. It's like when people are like, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.
It's like, the worst?

Like, out of everything in your life, this moment is the worst.

It did. For Brittany to be like, no, no, no, let me count.
That was bad. No, that was worse than this.

Okay, no, the sixth. It was like the sixth.
I feel like she was like, well, it's not top five, but it's close. It's six.
Yeah. Either way, it was the specificity gave it validity.
It did.

And Meredith not having any idea how any of her movies happened does

to be fair. I've seen Crazy Rich Asians a couple of times.
One of those times probably was on a plane. I don't remember the ending of it either.
Lisa Nills.

Yeah, but you have to say that when Lisa was, I was the exact same way because I've seen it twice. And I was like, I don't know that I could answer this question.

I also didn't just recently watch it on a plane. And as Lisa was going through, I was like, oh, yeah, that did happen.
Oh, yeah, that did happen.

See, when she was saying that, I was like, I don't remember any of this. You know, Lisa felt so validated when she was going through and they were like, all right.
You know, she was like, ha ha,

she was the first one to go, is that, is this what we're doing? Are we actually doing this right now? Oh, shit. I know the answers.

I do agree. I do agree that when they were like, well, what happened? I would have been like, really? No, I like that.
Is this where the conversation's going?

I want to know what Lisa Barlow's favorite Kendrick album is. Oh, my God, Global Entry.
That is so funny.

whitney is a hundred percent correct if you have global entry you know because you had to go to a global entry um office go have an interview have your photo taken and you have a card issued to you there is no confusion about global entry i will say i'd be doing the same thing though where even if she meant to say pre what is it

tsa check doesn't matter for customers regardless you know what i'm with her there did you did you guys peep that this is the restaurant that they were in season one oh no or it's the same when like jen cha was like this is who i am like love me for who i I am.

Like, this is how I grew up. Like, this is like, this is the area where they had one of the biggest scenes.
That's always referenced. Salt Lake City Staple.
Yeah. Must go visit.

The second they walked in, I was like, and then when who was it? Angie was like, oh, her guest. And then they flashed back.
Oh, that was so funny. Not her guest.

Some of you who listen to Plus know this, but Brawen is entering her villain era for me.

Oh, no.

First of all, overall, like how I see housewives, I put them into two categories.

Do they need this?

And if so, how do they operate? Or don't they need this? And is it like just, is it like, are they just having fun? Like, Kathy Hilton, thank you very much.

Perfect. Thank you.
Perfect. Totally.

Nailed it. Exactly.
Kathy Hilton versus Doreen. Kathy Hilton says, I don't need this.
This is just goofy. This is fun.
We can watch with her. We laugh.
It's like unserious.

The drama she's involved in is just like wild and wacky. And we're all signing up for it.
Like Bozeman, she doesn't seem to need this. Like, and how she carries herself like on this show is awesome.

It's just, I don't know how to explain it, but it's, it's refreshing. And then you have the Darit of the World who like kind of needs it.
And like, how does she go about doing it?

Brawen, when I first fell in love with her as a housewife, like, here is this woman who.

She didn't seem like she needs it. You know, she seemingly has this rich husband.
I don't know how much he's worth. Can we Google? What does the internet say?

I mean, we know this is wildly often inaccurate, but what does the internet say Todd is worth? Because like it presents as he's potentially like a billionaire, like he could be like a billionaire.

I don't know, a couple hundred million, 20 million. I don't know, but he's like rich.

Yeah, he's the co-founder of 24.6 million, according to a Yahoo article from like 2020. Palm Pilots.
He's a co-founder of Palm Pilot. Could have been anything.
But sorry, it says 24 mil.

Anyways, he's rich, right? No prenu.

So if he, if he dies,

like she's like, half, it's half hers, right? So she doesn't need to. She doesn't need the bottom.
She can get rid of him. She doesn't need the money.

And so when she signed up, it was just like, I'm just here to have some fun. And now I feel like, I feel like she needs it, but not because of money.

And I think her behavior is changing in a way that like makes it almost like sometimes.

hard to watch specifically like her relationship with todd i'm also like kind of confused because like when we've spoken with broadwin in person she says lovely things about her husband, Todd.

When we've met other people who have hung out with Bradwyn and Todd, they have a lot of nice things to say about Todd.

But, like, the fact that she is using her relationship and the manner that she's using it and some of her personal storylines,

I'm just kind of confused. Like, do you really not need this show and you're just having fun with your girls and you're just like participating and playing along when it fits?

Or like, do you really need it?

And you're using your family as a main storyline and throwing your marriage under the bus and i feel like she kind of needs it and i think the people who need it it changes how they make decisions as housewives and i think when you need it and it's not for money purposes things can get really dark really fast i think it's the opposite i think like the first season we saw maybe 50 of who she actually was because she was new to the group and now we're seeing like bronwin at her full potential and sometimes i do think that people second season they go overboard because like they hear the criticism of first season.

So then it's like, okay, now I'm going to be this big version of myself. And a lot of people tend to not like that as well.
So then hopefully by the third season, she likes to do that.

I love Browen in the first season, right? I love that. She is this honest person.
She's still very accountable for the most part. But it's just more the, oh, you kind of need this.

Like you, you want the attention. You know, like, why does Browen do it? I don't think she needs it, but I think she wants it.
And I think maybe because she wants it, she thinks she might need it.

Well, that's a simple thing. She thinks she needs

it. Wanting it and needing it.

I think she likes being a housewife on TV. And so I think she's leaning into the character of the housewife on TV where maybe in the first season, we saw her a little bit more.

Like it was her first season. She didn't really know.
What I will say is anytime I see her and that Bob walk into a room, I'm locked in. I'm seated.
And I love everything that she's doing.

But she also doesn't like take over every scene and like make it about her, you know, which I feel like the women who need it do because they feel like, oh my God, I have to stay on the show.

I need to make everything about me. I need to be the one who's in the drama and who's fighting with everyone.
And she doesn't do that.

Using her relationship as a storyline. Maybe that's just what's going on in her life right now.
I don't know. I mean, which is

the best thing for a housewife to do is to be honest about what's happening in their life. Yeah.
If she was like, Todd is perfect all the time, you'd be like, okay, move on.

And the tabloids are talking about it. I think there's a difference between

like everything's perfect and like a silly rumor of a blog talking about how her husband was looking at picks and it maybe it was another girl turned into brawlin like openly campaigning for an open relationship which it's like listen love the love the storyline it's fascinating but it's like yeah i mean it's potentially at the unless todd is fully in on the babe

I got your back. Let's just, let's just go, let's just go hand.
Let's have some fun with the, with the fans.

Then, like, he's not, you know, like, either he, he has to be either in on it that way, or she's just like, I'm going to do what I need to do. Or this is actually what's going on in their life.

And he's not fighting it because he's just like, yeah, I mean, this is this. It clearly was an issue that happened where, like, he had to leave the house.
She confronted him about this picture.

He got very defensive in a way where she was like, I don't like this. You need to leave.
He left the house for a couple of days. She took off her wedding ring.

Like, this was clearly an issue that like caused a really big rift in their marriage but it stemmed when she she heard about this rumor well technically lisa brought up the storyline first with the he made out with one of my friends while farting the whole time yes and then the twitter thing happened but her willingness to be like all right yeah no i'm a housewife i'll talk about it is definitely a choice and i did i and yeah and it makes her a great housewife but i what compels her to want to do that she felt seemed like a person who like had certain boundaries well i think bronwin is an open and honest person.

So I think when she signed up to do the show, she was like, I'm going to be open and honest and share my life in a way that like feels authentic.

And like when she's going through shit, she goes to her friend Whitney and is like, listen, this just happened. This is what's going on in my life.

And we have Whitney being like, yeah, well, Justin and I like have a little arrangement. And that like, you know, interests Bronwyn.
So then she goes home, she talks to Todd about it.

Like, I think this was just something that actually happened in their lives and there happened to be cameras around.

And Todd has the option to not be on the show because Mary's husband was on the show for the first couple of seasons.

And after everything that happened with rumors about the church and everything, he no longer felt that. But that's what, that's kind of what I'm saying, though.
It's like, that's that it is possible.

You know what I'm saying? Like, Mary's another example doesn't seem to need it. Mary clearly has her boundaries.

She's, you know, I just think it's interesting that this relationship and her life is like fully fair game in the Bravo world. She doesn't need the money.

And it's just fascinating that she's willing to make these choices. And I, if she really needs it, because she loves being a housewife so much.
And, like, what did she say on the episode?

She's clearly so bored. The bonsai treating? I'm like, what are you referring to? I don't know.

I just think it's funny that the way we read housewives differently because y'all are thinking about her relationship with Todd. Meanwhile, I'm just like, man.

grandmother, daughter, granddaughter all have the same haircut. That's pretty.
That's awesome. Her daughter also looks like Gracie Abrams.
Yeah, she does. Yeah, she does.

I think it's also like she's either going to talk about what's going on in her life with her marriage and her family, or she's just going to constantly be in the other women's drama.

It's like, it's either one or the other. And which one seems like more like you're thirsty? Yeah.
And being authentic is showing what's going on.

Selling out your family.

Makes you seem like you're thirsty. It doesn't seem like she's selling him out if he's involved.

That's what I'm confused about. Is he involved? Is he not involved? I keep hearing that he doesn't really like Housewives.
He doesn't like being a part of it.

He does, you know, he doesn't want to be involved. I heard, I've heard that from multiple people.
Didn't he go to watch What Happens Live and get mic'd up and sit in the audience? Yep. Yeah.

I think he's not. He doesn't seem to be down for it anymore.
Or he just knows how to play a character.

I will say that I do think that Broadwin also is just from last season, especially with like the necklace and all that stuff.

I think her position this season is like, I'm just going to be as upfront and honest about everything.

I loved the necklace. That's when I loved Brawen.
I loved the like. That was inauthentic.
She didn't actually buy the necklace. She fronted the other women.

Like her husband was buying her a million-dollar necklace. And that's a great storyline.

It was fun. That's that's that's like that's a storyline for her.
That's what I loved for her. I mean, I've just like to me, it was like, you know what?

I'll just pretend I bought an expensive piece of jewelry, whatever. No harm, no foul.
I get some women mad at me because I didn't actually buy it, whatever.

To me, that's so much different than being like. But she never thought it was going to be public that she didn't actually buy the necklace.
Maybe so.

She wasn't going to come on reunion and be like, By the way, everyone, I didn't buy the necklace. We had Lisa being like, well, I spoke to the jeweler and the jeweler said you didn't buy it.

Emma, the jeweler. So now that she knows what it feels like being exposed for lying, I feel like her whole position now is like, I'm going to be so insanely honest about everything.

That no one can use it against me because I've already said it. It's kind of like what Jesse is, like what Jesse did about her affair.

It's just like, I'm just going to say this and I'm going to own it. And it's going to be from my mouth.
And it's going to be my version of what I want to speak on. And that's it.

And then no one like Lisa Barlow can't come in like three weeks and bring up this tweet. And then all the other girls are talking about it before I get to say something about it.

It was like the dinner with Meredith where Meredith obviously is like trying to protect Bronwyn, being like, well, somebody, maybe I got misinformation.

And then she was like, oh, okay, I'll tell you what happened.

Because she was like, I'm not going to like let this become something else in a week from now that like I said something to Meredith and twisted things. This is my, these are my words.
Yeah.

I'm just really fascinated with the people who don't need the money. Maybe they just like being on TV and making good TV.
But, you know, to what cost? I love a good episode. No, this season really is.

Where do they go from here? Awesome. All in.
To the stars, Nick. To the stars.
I think it's very important to end on Meredith Marks. Flip it around.

Wicked Witch.

They'll get it. We'll know if they know.

Yeah.

Don't worry about it. Meredith Marks, flip it around.

Wicked Witch. All right, that'll do it for today's episode.
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