E953 – Going Deeper with Tyler Cameron And Tate Madden

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Oh, yeah.

Last time you were like half naked, weren't you?

That's pretty funny.

Why was that?

Why were you naked?

You had like done.

Oh, it was after your first April Fool's joke naked on OnlyFans.

Your OnlyFans, yeah.

It's favorite holiday.

I'm gonna consult you guys in the next one.

Have you ever done a podcast date?

Kind.

I did his, but it was like oh, his Patreon.

Yeah.

This is like my very first, like, she's nervous.

Nervous.

He's nervous.

You're being weird.

I'm nervous.

Are you nervous?

I'm nervous.

I mean, the first time Nally and I did a podcast and like that you guys are doing, where it was kind of like almost debuting your relationship and speaking on your relationship, like I was very nervous.

And then all of a sudden,

it was like we did our friends.

We were like, we did our friends.

We were doing our friends.

It has to be like safe space.

We have to be able to take shit out.

We have to.

We're not just doing anybody's.

And we still got heat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you always, well, we, we've learned quickly, you always get heat heat for anything.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm sure we want to cry for speakers on milk with you, so we're good.

We good,

what's that?

We'll get into it.

Okay, no, we started.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, we started.

Oh, Tyler and Tate.

Welcome to House.

Now, well, you know, we kind of started, but didn't start.

You're crazy.

Tyler and Tate, welcome.

Hello.

Sounds nice.

Tyler and Tate.

Tyler and Tate.

Natalie and Nick.

Natalie and Nick.

Tyler and Nick.

TT and then.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Beautiful.

Welcome back, Tyler.

It's been a long time.

Last time you were naked, now you're clothed.

Yep.

You know,

I have a girlfriend now, so I think it should be more presentable.

Did you have a girlfriend then?

No.

Well, yeah.

We definitely did.

That's right.

Yeah.

When is your anniversary?

October 26th.

Yeah.

Okay.

So that's like when you officially asked her to be your girlfriend.

We kind of like.

We had three anniversaries.

Yeah.

I was so grateful to get married for no other reason than I could just wash all those other anniversary.

So what are the three?

It was like when we met in New York.

And then it was like when we like kind of started becoming boyfriend and girlfriend.

And it was like when she moved to LA and it was like I was like when we got coffee

were you creating these anniversaries or was Nick oh of course it was me I was like gift yeah

I think we're celebrating like we're closest to our anniversary Nick's like I have to have a quarterly anniversary with you right now every every every quarter and Nick was like I feel like none of these matter and I feel like maybe we shouldn't celebrate any of them until we like get married and I was heartbroken yeah

no I've learned every holiday every anniversary really matters okay listen i made the anniversary very easy for him because he doesn't even know his brother's and parents birthdays still to this day he has to really think about it so he did ask me to be his girlfriend on the

or i guess he made it easy on himself the the day of the gala the one that you guys came to

that was yes that morning he asked me his girlfriend where's tate he literally went up tate was talking to us and nick goes i had never seen a picture of her.

So like I didn't know.

I mean, I came in hot with you too because I was like fired up to meet you.

And I was like, hey, Nick.

And I think you were like taken back.

You're like, hi, how are you?

And I was like, okay, sick.

And so then I kind of like just jived off and yeah.

But it was just like.

And then I was standing there being like, so where's that?

I was like, where's

the person you've been talking so much about?

She's like, I'm right here.

It's like, oh, the maniac.

I've put myself, I've put up my foot in my mouth more than a few times.

It's okay.

So what are you going to do?

We We all do that.

Tate, it's like, I feel like we're, we've talked to this guy like so many times, but obviously a lot of people are very curious about you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How, like, who are you?

I also feel like me and you have, we can relate very much in this aspect of like being normal, not in the public eye at all, falling in love with someone in the public eye, kind of dating.

secret, navigating that, navigating the like they still have appearances to make and and things to do like i remember on valentine's day nick and i were seeing each other we were in new york and he like did this good morning america date thing and went on like dates with all these women and i was just like in the green room like

okay the worst

so it's it's like a weird world that i feel like not a lot of people understand and so i feel like i'm glad we're kind of on the same page with a lot of things.

Yeah, I feel like they both acted kind of similar.

Yes.

Which.

how did i act like a i'm just kidding

no but seriously like i definitely in your defense like it was like it was so new we were dating we were i mean in my mind i was like i don't even know what we were at that point you know but we had definitely by february we had been hanging out for five months at that point sounds very familiar um in my head i'm pregnant

and then like good morning america like now actually what happened was, like, Natalie was set to like, come visit.

Like, you know, she was coming out to LA.

And then, like, randomly, Good Morning America called me up and was like, hey, we have this like idea.

And, like, we'd love to fly you out.

And at that point, like, you know, I think I had the, I had the show, but like, you know, when GMA calls, you're like, it's kind of exciting.

It's out of New York and fun.

And you want to say yes to like GMA, like, giving you the call.

And they're like, yeah.

And they basically pitched like me this, like, I would, you know, go on a date with a winner, which was like, and then like, you know they would win a date with me it was really silly and cheesy and so my mind i think it's stupid and then like the date we went on was like we all got me like the producers of the show we all got a cup of coffee downstairs and i talked to a fan for like six a few minutes i just acted as if like this was totally normal and i didn't even go i didn't even take the time to like check in i was like hey we're going to new york instead of la

can you can will you meet can you meet me there instead of flying out to LA?

So he didn't preface like that it was.

I kind of

do this thing for GMA.

Yeah, I'm doing this thing for GMA.

It's like not, it's

totally like identical.

It's like, it's nothing.

It's silly.

And you're like, oh, you're, you have to make out with all.

Okay.

I'm going to have to do like something maybe you should have like you have to rewind and like break it down.

Like, hey, can you see why this was maybe like,

it's a bigger issue now than it could have been if you just would have like maybe just told me a little more information.

Yeah.

But you were like

working for her.

Yes.

Okay.

Fucking the boss.

Like that Jerry Seinfeld episode.

You're too old for me.

I don't know.

Oh my gosh.

No, but

he has a housemaid that he starts dating, and she's never cleaning the house, but she's still

paying her.

He's like, what did I just pay for?

Okay, no, I will say that is not like me.

I've put my work in into the work.

You were like running his social media, right?

Yes.

And then it turned into running his life.

And then we just were spending more and more time together because I think we both have similar, like, we like to grind.

And

not in that way, but in like the work way.

And they're hard workers, people.

Yes, we're very hard workers.

And so it was always if he needed an extra hand or he needed someone to stay late, I was just always like game to like do it.

And so I think once we started spending more time together in that way, it just kind of organically, and I was friends with him.

Like I was friends with his group of friends.

We hung out like as friends too for a while too.

And so I will say, I think it was the healthiest relationship I've ever gotten into because he's such an open book that I knew everything about him.

Like, honestly, so so much of an open book.

Sometimes we're like, yo, can you just like reel it in just a tidbit?

So, going into it, it was like, I know who you are.

Like, I know the person that you are.

You're not going to like, you know, look all shiny and glittery at first on like a couple dates.

And then all of a sudden, I turn like, you, I find out that you're an asshole.

So I definitely felt more confident going into it.

At what point did it go from like, this is the guy in the bachelor I work for who

does what he does.

Yeah, whatever.

To like all of a sudden, like there being a moment.

Listen, he got a tequila brand deal, and that'll do it.

I'll tell you that.

It was on, it was a very distinct moment in the back of a car

going home from the tequila event.

Yeah, I think, I mean, I'll say it.

I definitely got handsy first, but he definitely was like, not, you,

I mean, you were like, come on.

So I was like, here I am.

So, I mean, definitely what happened in the back of the car?

Like, like a blowjob?

No, a little over-the-pants, HJ.

Oh, a little HJ.

Yeah, okay.

And it was over the pants.

Like, there was nothing crazy about it.

I mean, that's kind of crazy since he technically was my boss at that time.

But honestly, just an over-the-pants hand job in general is kind of crazy.

I know.

What a move.

Very old school of me.

You know, going old school is fun sometimes.

You know, it's society.

And, and, sure, yeah, that's where we went.

And then by the time we got home, things escalated quickly.

And then I remember right after I just looked at him and I was like, I need to break the ice somehow.

So I just like, we like caught eyes and I was like, HR.

And then we both laughed.

And then we were like, all right, let's go to bed.

Yeah, but what was the first, when was the first time you guys actually addressed you guys hooking up?

Because like, you know, that next day, there's always like that awkwardness, HR joke.

But like, there must have been a time where it was like, we.

He panicked for sure.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, so mind you, let's back this up.

We're in the middle of like filming our the TV show and like it is hell.

And like we're the TV show was over.

No, it wasn't.

Yes, it was.

Oh, was it?

We did not hook up while the TV show was being filmed.

I believe I disagree.

I tape.

Anyways.

Thank you.

Now this is usually right about timelines in our relationship.

And I would say that because the show went on forever.

So.

Yes, it went on for six months, but we...

It went on for nine.

Oh, nine.

But

I know for a fact that it was after.

okay

anyways go go yeah go anyways so i where i i started like everyone the whole show so part of my show is supposed to be a dating show right i went on like six dates with the girls like extravagant dates all these different wild things we had someone like i went on a gator date with this one girl who's a reptile scientist someone got bit by a gator on that show can i pop in for a second the producer actually in the beginning when we filmed wanted him to go on a date with me and he said no oh because she was working for me then rude at the time so i was trying trying to trying to create some type of professionalism inside of my career, you know.

And then the guys, I'm trying to get it.

And then

the OTPHJ just like really took me to my first day of employment.

You were hungover, and you asked if we could skip work and we could stay in bed and cuddle all day.

So, first day of work, I don't think that first day of work.

Yes,

he said he was trying to be

trying to work.

He didn't say it was funny.

That was me trying to be funny, okay?

I don't think that was fun.

Okay, so you're filming the show.

You're going through the hell.

Yeah, we're going through hell.

And like, and like, I will say this about Tate.

Like, she went through the hell with me.

Like, a lot of my people that worked with me on that show show up and did a lot of the bare minimum or show up, do their nine to five and did a lot of work.

But still, like, once five was like out and done, or they were out.

Tate, though, if it was 4 a.m.

She was there at 4 a.m.

You know, a lot of people worked, you know, it was hard, but like, I just noticed that Tate was like grinding and working her ass off.

And she was right there with me.

And then, like, we just were spending a lot of time together.

And there's this one day I would say that she wore like a crop-top shirt in.

He talks about this.

Yeah, wore a crop-top shirt in and like these short jeans and everything.

And I looked at her, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be a problem.

Sorry, or you got our government.

And then I just like, I was like, we gotta stay away from this.

And I, so that kind of made me even like push her away more.

But then, like, work, we were always like on top of each other with all the things that we had to do.

So I think I just like grew such like an admiration for her, like her work ethic.

And like, I mean, I don't think she wants, she's not trying to be my assistant.

I think she saw this was an opportunity to build something bigger.

And I admired that about her.

And she loved designing houses.

She loved being in the heat of all this stuff and part of the builds and all this stuff.

And she was right there hanging stuff on the walls on the light when we're up at 4 a.m.

getting ready for the reveal the next morning, you know, and then being there first thing.

Like, she was always just down and into it.

So I think that was part of it too.

I felt like I had a teammate finally, where I'm always the one with the work on my shoulders and I'm the one that has to get it done to find a way.

Whereas finally, like, damn, I got someone that has my back for the first time ever.

okay that was nice

and then i got oh

you got otpha and everything it was really just a cherry on top

um but but then no so then after the night we hooked up i go to her i go yo we cannot do this again like and we cannot talk about it because like we were still filming because kate meant we filmed the reveal two weeks later and katie goes Why are you being weird?

Why don't you tell me this?

And we had the reveal after that.

So I, yes, I was right.

Anyways, so we like we did this and uh i was like we can't tell anyone about this like we gotta get this to ourselves like it can't happen again like it's like we gotta be pros you know and we gotta be pros well what like when he said that to you like do you did you agree with him did you feel like defensive because it was like what he like like it was a bad thing no i didn't think it was a bad thing i was shocked at how panicked he looked because we were friends.

So I was making light of it like a joke, like kind of like the HR thing, but I kept the joke going.

Like I definitely, again, was friends with him and I did not want to date him knowing what a maniac he was at the time.

Like it was not in on my radar.

What was your impression or your opinion of Tyler at this point when you started working for him?

I mean, I always thought

that he was.

a really great person from like day one.

Like the people that he surrounds himself with, like the way that I see him always try and put all of his good friends like in positions to win.

He's just always trying to think of like different avenues for anyone he cares about.

Like, oh, that would be good for so-and-so to get into.

Like, oh, let me see if I can call someone to like set them up.

Like, and it was just always like admirable.

I was just, yeah, I just loved the way that he always like treated people and always wanted them to like reach their fullest potential.

And if he could help them in that way, like he was going to.

And so that aspect of him, I just knew he was a good person.

There was also another side of him where i knew when he would go out with his friends i knew and his friends are so much fun and again he's single so like as he should but i mean he was he was crazy so he was definitely not he definitely didn't look like someone who was trying to like settle down or like be in a relationship or be in love i knew that if i was smart i i mean which i think i am a lot of the times.

I mean, I can, it was pretty black and white.

Like, hey, you can have fun and this is your friend but like we're not trying to try not trying to do anything else other than this but so like you were surprised that he freaked out because you're just more like isn't this what you do yeah exactly i'm like isn't this what you do and also

Like give me a little more credit.

Like I'm cooler than that.

Like I'm not going to like fall in like, oh my God, now I'm in love with you.

Like I think he thought that I was going to be like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with you.

It was amazing.

And I was just like, okay.

Was it bad?

Or was it more like I was being a little unprofessional and like I shouldn't have have done that?

It was more of like the unprofessional side of it.

You could say that it was a little of both because remember when we decided that we were just going to have a little fun, you were like, we can't do this.

Like, what did she say?

You know, someone always falls in love.

And he kind of got quiet after that.

And I'm like, you mean, like, I'll fall in love with you?

Which

I'm getting torse.

So, yeah, you definitely did have a little bit of that.

Yeah, I just like like part of it too is like I was still like in maniac mode, like mean to like enjoying being single and like fucking dog.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so like a part of it too is like I wanted to protect her from from me and like all of my life I've had a like I'd say like a few good people in my life that have been girls that I've like thought about dating and I've always ran away from knowing that like I wasn't there.

And I pretty much was like thinking about like her as that.

I was like, she's such a great person.

I don't want to drag her into what I am right now because it's not good for anybody, you know?

And so I was like, let's not tell anybody.

Let's keep it.

This can't happen again.

Like, let's just finish up everything.

And then, you know, I love working with you and let's keep it going, you know?

Yeah, we did work really well together.

So, I mean, it really was a toss-up on if this didn't work.

Like,

I did feel, I'm like, damn, I'm like, I love working with him because we have the same energy when we work.

Like, we'll just do what we need to do to get it done.

So, that was probably the scariest part was thinking, dang, I finally found something that like I truly enjoy and like someone who matches like my energy in that aspect.

But if this doesn't work, I feel like it'll just be so awkward that it's like, okay, I'm not dating him and I like, I don't have a job.

Yeah, I don't have a job.

Well, like you, you guys started talking about how like similar you two were.

And like another similarity is like, you know, we, we had different reputations, but both Tyler and I had like big reputations, you know, like once Nellie and I started dating, she started like learning about like what my reputation was and how strong of opinion some people had about me.

And like Tyler, again, he comes in with this like very dominant reputation and his reputation being like the ladies' man of Bachelor Nation.

Like, you know, it's like, it's one thing to be a guy on a show that's followed by women.

Oh, even as a divisive character, I did just fine, like as a single guy.

But like, he's the guy that's just like every woman is supposed to like, you know, he's, he's the the heart throb and there's like do you ever honestly i'm curious i've never asked you did you ever feel that pressure like that you were supposed to act a certain way where it was just like you were truly objectified i mean i'm sure sometimes it's fun but like it did it ever get annoying and frustrating well i think it creates the pressure of like either you have to be single and live up to it and like be always available and be the bachelor type guy like and you know around and like so i was like it's more profitable to be single and wanted than it is to be be with somebody, you know, was like, was like kind of like one thought process.

And then like, it just like became, you know, I think too, like when I met, like getting to know you and me around you, I was like, you're not the type of girl you just date and hook up with.

Like you're the type of girl like you end up marrying.

Like, because you possess all the qualities that would make an amazing mother and an amazing wife and an amazing best friend.

So I was like.

telling myself like if you're not ready to fully go down that route you don't mess this up you don't mess her up you know what i mean so like that's what I was like kind of fighting and battling.

And then it was also like me, like, losing being single.

Like, does that ruin the reputation of who I am?

Like, you're saying, you know?

And so, it was like, it was kind of juggling all that to come to a decision.

And then finally, I was like around her so much.

And, you know, like, I could still feel like sometimes I would run away with the boys and we go have wild weekends still because we weren't together.

And, like, I could see it affecting us, you know.

And I was like, you got to come to a decision here soon and make it.

So, how long was that like

kind of fucking around?

It was probably like two months.

I would say like two months of just like messing around.

I know the first time I thought like, oh my God, does he like me?

I think I've told you this before.

Slept over.

Yes.

So he was doing something in Miami.

And as he does, like he never, you know, checks in or anything.

Like we were just having fun.

And he always would, like, I think there was like another night of something.

And he called me at like 5 a.m.

And he was like, hey, are you at home?

And I was like, yeah.

He's like, oh, I just don't feel like driving all the way to my house like 15 minutes longer.

So

I'm just going to come to your house and sleep.

And I was like, okay.

What?

So I'm like waking up and like my sister, my little sister comes out because we were living in an apartment together.

She comes out of her room.

She's like, what are you doing?

I was like, I don't know.

Tyler like wants to like come.

Were you like cleaning?

Were you like, no, I was just like, I didn't know, like, why?

Like, like, what was going on?

And I guess she just heard me out there.

And I was like, I don't, like, he just wants to come like sleep.

She's like, why?

I'm like, I don't know.

I'm like, this is so weird.

So she's like, I think he likes you.

I was like, he doesn't like me.

I'm like, this is so weird.

So then he comes over.

Definitely feels like a scene.

You just watch at a rom-com.

Yeah.

And so then I'm like, he gets there.

And before this point, every time like we hooked up, we would kind of like fist bump or high five and and we'd turn around and like we'd sleep.

Like, it was not like we weren't lovey-dovey, we weren't snuggling at all.

And he came over driving home and slept.

And just, I laid in bed, and he just grabbed me, and like, we just cuddled like the whole night.

And I remember I just laid there in bed while he was cuddling me with your eyes

wide open,

like freaking out.

I'm like wondering what was going on.

That is so funny.

I have that same memory with Nick of like, it's like just hooking up and it's like really you don't like, it's not that serious.

You're like, just cool.

And then you like kind of start to get feelings and then they start kind of showing more affection.

And then, yeah, like the going to bed and like him wanting to cuddle.

I was like, wait, yeah, he's obsessed with me.

Like, be cool, be cool.

It's funny.

Yeah, I know you're obsessed with me.

He's literally obsessed with me.

That's crazy.

Do you remember that time?

Yeah, I don't remember like that, you know?

What made you want to call her that time?

I just was like, I don't know.

I think it was like one of those things like where you're just like

wanting comfort and like someone to be like,

you know, I think a lot of this time in the light is fun, but it's also very lonely as much as it doesn't seem lonely.

And then it's like, I finally had like someone who was like starting to become like your best friend and feel like it, you know, like you want to be around them, you know, and I think it was like one of those turning moments, you know?

There was like many of those moments that come out like throughout that like, I was like, oh, that's a big turning moment.

That was a big turning moment, you know?

So then the next morning, he wakes up.

He brought a bag in, like a duffel bag.

He wakes up the next morning.

He has to go to do something for work.

And I'm getting ready and I notice his duffel bag is like laying in my room.

And in my mind, I'm like, why would he leave his duffel bag?

That doesn't make any sense.

Like it's just a tiny bag.

And so then I'm showing my sister, of course, and she's like, oh my God, he like left his bag because he like wants to come back here.

This is how girls think.

And I'm like, no, I'm like, that's weird too.

So then I'm making dinner that night.

And he just calls me and I'm like, he's like, oh, I left my bag there.

Should I come get it?

And I'm like, yeah, you can come get it.

I'm just making dinner.

He comes over, lays down on my couch when he gets in and is like taking a nap and I'm cooking dinner.

And the whole time my sister and I are just catching eyes, like she's at the table and I'm just cooking.

And we're kind of just like, you made meatballs that night.

What?

You made meatballs.

I did.

So we're like looking.

So then we're like sitting, we're eating dinner.

Everything's fine.

Everything's going good.

And still things are kind of weird.

And I start to clean up dinner and he's like still there.

And so I'm like doing the dishes.

Now everything's done.

He's still just sitting at the table.

And so finally I'm like, okay, I want to go to bed.

So I kind of looked at him.

I'm like, hey, so like, are you like staying here again?

Are you like leaving?

Cause I'm going to like go in the room.

And I went and like locked the door or something.

And I walked back to my room.

And he was like tucked under the covers.

Like, we're ready to go to bed.

I was like, get up.

So I just like slid in next to him and like fell asleep.

And yeah, then the next day I was.

But like, you were happy?

No, I was happy.

I I was just like, what is going on?

Because he doesn't speak like, I mean, he does a lot more now, obviously.

But at that point, I think he was so confused.

You guys do that.

I don't know why.

At his feelings, like he didn't communicate anything.

And I think it was like a moment where he's like, well, maybe if I just like, just start doing it, like, it'll just

happen.

Like, I don't need to talk about it.

I don't think he cooked and cleaned and he just sat there and watched you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think you're like, I'm cooking and he's sitting on the couch and I'm cleaning and he's singing.

Natalie, we're still at, I'm a guest period.

Yeah, sure.

He doesn't want to impose.

He doesn't want to overstep it.

His wheels were terrible.

I think it would mean more if I was doing that.

Yeah, that's true.

I mean, but I'm fascinated like hearing Tate's story because like, again, I'm sure you do have a different version of that.

And like, what were you like.

I remember the way Tate's telling the story, like, I remember, and I've talked about it in different ways, but like when I was like, do I actually do this thing?

Do I date this person?

I've been so afraid for different different reasons.

And like, you know, and so finally I was just kind of like, you know, like, I just, I just kept thinking of all the reasons why it wouldn't work out, you know, and then I was just like, well, I've been doing this with, do it.

And I can, it could, it could just not work.

Or it could be the best thing that ever happened.

Yeah.

You know, and so, but I had to have a conversation with myself and like tell myself to just do the thing that I was so afraid of doing.

Did you ever like, whether it was that night or prior to that or after that, do you remember a time where.

Yeah, I think I had a lot of conversations with myself, you know, in my head.

Cause I was, like I said, I thought she would be the most amazing mother, the most amazing wife and best friend at all these things.

And I was just like, if you do this, like you got to go do it.

You know what I mean?

And it's like, you can't half-ass it and you got to treat her, you know, 100% right.

And all, so I was just like.

It was one of those things like you're going to give up one life to do another, you know, and there was like many signs that like I wanted to be with her and many things I want, you know, she like, she's the first person I ever dated that reminded me of my mother in like all of the good ways.

And like, I'm not asking Tate to be my mom or like take care, but I'm talking about just like the way she like lights up a room, the way she is just so much fun and energetic, but also like my mom was the hardest working person and Tate's the hardest working person I've ever met, you know, and I was just like, damn, I see all the best qualities I ever had and like the, to me, the greatest woman I've ever had growing up, you know, in her.

So I was like, she would be, like, just made me think of how amazing my mom was to us, like like how she will be to her own, you know?

And so it was just one of those things is like, if you don't do something, though, you're also going to probably lose this opportunity to be with the best person you probably have ever been with, you know?

And so I was like, let's just try.

Let's just give it a shot, you know?

And, you know, I think, you know, when it came time to the gala, we were like living together essentially at this point, you know, and I was like, I would hate for this girl to have all these people in town asking.

So what are you guys?

How's it going?

Like, who's this?

You know what I mean?

I was like, I need this girl to be my girlfriend.

I want her to have the best time.

I want this to be a great relationship.

Like, this is a great way to kick it off.

Let's do it, you know.

And I appreciated that because I wasn't.

I mean, nothing.

I mean, and I woke up really early that morning and like ran to Publix as soon as they opened.

And of course, I'm like, where are you?

What are you doing?

And he's like, just don't worry about it.

And I'm like, you're being weird.

And so I go get flowers.

I go get a card.

And I'm like, will you be my girlfriend?

Like, check one.

You know, I checked the other.

And she checked yes.

And thank God.

Yeah.

she's like, She checked no, but I

thought I just uh kind of stayed.

So, I mean, that was kind of like how it all started.

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Have you thought about what your mom would think of Tate?

My mom, like, that was part of it too, is that my mom would love Tate.

And I think of all the girls I've dated in the past, like, I was like, my mom, like, would it be like, it's like 2.0, but you know, but they'd be like best friends.

Yeah, they would just have so much fun together.

And I was just, that's like, that's one thing I always thought of.

It always scared me how much she would resemble me.

I'm like, it was like a fearful thing at first, but I was like, you got to embrace it eventually.

And I remember even like one time, because my mom had a smell to her.

And

a good smell.

A good smell.

Like, and like, like, she always wore perfumes and she always, you know what I mean?

And I've never noticed that on anyone else, you know?

And then Tate had i was like and they're like i remember that one time i was like whoa it was like the same perfume it wasn't the same perfume but it was like a strong distinct

knew my smell i was just like and it like made me think of my mom right away i was like this is crazy you know and so i was just like all these things were like signs how soon did you meet tate after your mom passed it was like three four years later wow yeah

that's crazy do you feel like maybe there's a world in like your mom like

put tate in your life life.

I think so.

I think, I mean, I think she's like a, she, I mean, Tate's just been a blessing.

Yeah.

You know, either way, you know, I think, so I think it's like, uh, something I'm very grateful for and glad I took the leap because, like I said, I've always been scared of like, but not been scared of messing around with the wrong ones, but always been scared of messing with the right one because the right one, you know, like that's the end game.

You lose them.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I think also I was your friend.

Like we, yes, we worked together, but we were friends.

I think he respected me as a friend.

So I think that also went into play.

Like other girls, you didn't have like that type of relationship where like she was hanging with your like group of friends and stuff.

It was kind of like,

you know, yeah, I feel like what I have most of all my relationships is I have my best friend, you know, and I think every other relationship I've had is like, I've had the girl I was like a girlfriend.

You know what I mean?

We're here, I have my best friend too.

And I have like someone that, you know, we get up and we do everything with like like when she's 80 and I'm bringing 20 sometimes and she's or sometimes it flips and sometimes we catch it and we're both 100 and it's sick you know but it's too much yeah honestly it's like

all the walls are getting demolished in the house you know how were you nervous about once people started learning about you being in Tyler's life and the role you played in it like because the internet is like very mean mean especially to women like Natalie's gone through a hell of a time dating me as a result of like my audience and and things like that.

And obviously like Tyler's audience is, you know, a certain kind of audience with certain expectations of Tyler and you're kind of coming in and

maybe some people ruining that.

Because again, like he was, you know, I was like notoriously single, but like Tyler was famously single, you know?

And does that, was that intimidating for you?

What was that like?

Yeah.

I mean, I'd be lying if I said it wasn't.

I mean, as much as you want to like put, be like, I'm so cool and not bothered by anything.

Of course, I had a tidbit of like anxiety as far as, oh, he's obviously very beautiful and like so many girls want him.

So I was just like waiting for people to be like, that's what he ended up with.

Like, oh my God, this like beautiful man, like that's what he like, that's his end game.

And so like that was always like in the back of my head.

I will say.

A lot of people, like the majority, so nice.

They like cheer me on.

They like hype me up.

But of course, you can have so many good comments.

And it's always the one it's like, I mean, a lot of people are like, wow, he went from GG and, you know, Paige to this.

Like, oh my God.

And it's like, jokes on you guys.

I know they're stunning.

Like, I would love to look like that.

I mean, I love looking like myself too.

But like, I think we're all fine.

And yeah, he dated beautiful people, of course.

And I'm sure they were wonderful.

But also, I'm like, should someone just marry them?

Like, should he get married to someone just because because they're better looking than me?

Like, what's going on?

You also don't give yourself any, like, you're beautiful and stunning.

And I love bringing you to, like, all these, like, influencer events and these, like, whatever these things are, stagecoach, all these things.

I'm like, see, like, they ain't that fucking special.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, you're.

It's that Instagram filter.

Yeah.

I'm like, I'm like, you're beautiful all these stones.

Like, you almost feel like you're supposed to, like.

concede to like Gigi Hoodie, you know, because like she's like, she's literally known as a supermodel.

Well, her ex bella dates now.

So yeah she'd been bagging

people forever

y'all kept her family

that's my biggest plus

it's just a mind what what was it like for you at first i remember like distinctly i think having a conversation with you being like i'm not ready to like tell the world yet like it was like very scary for me and i think it's because people kind of like caught wind.

I was like took a like selfie in the backyard and someone like matched up.

Like, it was, and I remember it.

Yeah.

And I was getting like DMs already.

And we hadn't even like posted anything.

And I just got really nervous.

And I remember being like, I'm just not ready for this.

Like, I think we should wait.

Cause like, once you invite a third party into your relationship, it's very hard.

And especially for someone who's not used to it and has never had to worry about like.

Yeah, the stuff that people come at her for is just like they're just like a lot of them are trying to find things you know so they make issues over spilt milk you know what I mean like I mean like and like literally and figuratively you know and it's just like a lot you have to think about it's like projection of themselves it's like things that they wish they had or they don't you know what I mean and like I've gotten so much shit you've gotten like we're trained for this you know and so when you get now like I'm sure you're much more trained for it now and like now you're thrown into the fire which is like a scary thing like we're throwing you to the wolves and like you got to kind of just learn how to take the punches and roll with it.

It's, it sucks.

I think people like to create their own stories, too, because if not, like, nothing's interesting.

So, it's like they like to create what they think it is, and then someone else likes what they've created.

So, then they chime in, and then it, like, just rolls.

We've always said, like, the truth is never as viral or interesting or like juicy as whatever this person's story has made up.

And it dies.

And it dies.

It dies.

And at the end of the day, it's like, I don't know them.

They don't know me.

Like, why would I i this why would this affect my life when i literally have never probably will never ever meet this person but like what advice or help has tyler given you as you have started to like grow your platform and people are starting to give opinions to you that aren't warranted honestly tyler being in a relationship with him and i say this to him all the time.

It doesn't bother me as much when people, if they decide to shit on me online, because he's the first boyfriend I've ever dated who truly lets me be my 100% full self.

And he loves it too.

I've dated guys who've pretended like they like how fun and outgoing I am and act like it's, oh my God, you're like the greatest.

And then we'll get further into the relationship and they've like got me.

And then all of a sudden everything I do is like bad and they make me feel bad for everything.

And I start to hate myself.

So it's easy to like shy away like these stupid comments because I mean, he is like my biggest hype man.

If anything, like he's like telling me, go dance more, go be crazy or go, he's like, he loves it.

And like I always catch him like watching me from the sidelines, just like with light in his eyes.

I'm like, oh my gosh, I've never had someone just fully, like just absolutely love

who I am.

It's taken out such like the mind game of it where I feel like in past relationships, it was like, I'm such a people pleaser that I was always just trying to think of like, okay, if I just do this, then they'll be happy.

Or if I just do this, then they'll be happy.

And like, okay, if I just like reel it in a little bit, like, then like they won't yell at me.

And I don't even think

this was a joke one time, which actually isn't a joke.

And I'm probably toxic.

But he said one time when we were joking and I was yelling at him to do something.

He's like, did you talk to all your other boyfriends like this?

And I go, no, because none of them has ever been as nice as you are to me.

Yeah, I was scared.

And he was like, he was like, wait a second.

And I was like, you know what?

That's actually kind of messed up.

But it's true.

Like I, I don't think, I used to sit in bed and think about like every scenario that could happen or what would I say if this happened or this and that.

And it's like, I'm so open.

Like we're so open.

Like we know everything.

It's just so much easier.

It's such like, such a nice feeling to like not feel like you're trying to like.

conform and like shape-shift into like who this person thinks that you should be.

And yeah.

I remember like, I remember early on, she'd be like, so afraid because like she thought she messed something up was almost like coward from me i'm like yo what's wrong you know i'm like she's like why mess this up and i don't want to i'm like who gives a you know what i mean like i'm she got you say mess up what do you mean like for instance this is a really like she got she used to drive my truck and got t-boned yeah right

and when she got t-boned she called me freaking out like i'm so sorry about your car i'm like

the car are you good you know what i mean like and like i get there and she's like so worried about like the car the car the the car like are you you know like me being mad at her yeah and i'm just like you're healthy you're like your sister's healthy everyone's good like thank god like like that stuff no money or not like that stuff we'll figure it out you know what i mean and she was like and then like i remember they're like oh my god like my ex would have freaked out on me and like you know went went ballistic on me i was like why like i don't i also grew but i also grew up in a household like where like my parents fought a lot and i don't like to fight like if you get me to yell or like, I must be losing my mind about something because I try to never fight.

I have a hard time speaking up about things that I don't like just because I've like been around like combativeness my whole life.

I just like will do anything to avoid a fight, you know?

Do you think that's something you've had to work on?

Because at some point you guys need to like.

I have to be better about speaking up about things.

And like, I think I'm better with us.

Sometimes she'll know because I'll get quiet about things and she'll be like, what is it?

And then she'll pull it out of me.

And then...

You're good at talking, though one another moment where i was like oh my gosh is when we pretty early on i was like after the gala when we have like officially were dating i was upset about something and i have a hard time speaking up too because i just felt like everything i would say in like previous relationships was wrong and so i would always try to say it like as eloquently as I could and then it would always just make it worse and I would end up crying and it was like okay well I should just like shut up and like not speak and one time i got upset and he came over to me and he's like get off the computer stand up he's like we're going for a walk and he like made me take a walk around the neighborhood with him and he's like i can't fix like what's going on and i can't be better unless you communicate to me like what it is that i did or like what is bothering you and it was such like a i was probably like a deer in headlights too like the first night we snuggled because i was like so taken back that i was like oh my god like we're going to just talk.

Like, we're not going to yell.

Like, I'm not going to cry.

Like, this is crazy.

So, it's, yeah.

I will tell you, though, when I do get in these little arguments with her, she's so logical and so good at remembering everything.

I just get crushed.

How do y'all fight if you do fight?

I think we just like, if something's up, like, either we'll like get into it right away and they'll settle it right away.

Like, does one of y'all need your space?

And then, like, you'll come back

down.

Yeah, sometimes we do.

It's on and off.

I think most the time, if it's something that he does,

the reason that we can kind of get over it so quickly is I, I find that he doesn't intend.

It's not like he's intentionally trying to like do whatever he's doing to like irritate me or like, you know, piss me off.

So it's easier to be like, when he explains it and I'm just like, okay, you're just,

you were just an idiot.

It makes it it easier to just kind of like roll past it.

As long as I'm like, hey, like, I'm acknowledging that you're an idiot, but like, please acknowledge that, like, maybe let's do that a different way.

Like, the next time you decide to do that.

But I mean, like, it's interesting.

You weren't in the public eye.

Nellie wasn't in the public eye.

I don't know about you, but like, did you ever give any thought?

Like, once you were in the public eye, once you had dated some monster celebrities, there is an element of like, it's kind of sometimes easier to date people in the public eye because you don't get like, I've been on dates where it's just like, what was like so-and-so like?

Or they pretend not to have watched.

And then it's just like, then they, they just make you feel kind of weird, you know?

Yeah.

But I've dated like celebrities and that's a whole other kind of weird, you know?

And like, were you surprised that you ended up with someone who.

didn't start in the public eye or give thought to like whether you preferred someone who did or didn't.

The reality is like our world is weird.

Like it's not normal.

We normalize our lives and then we forget how unnormal it can be when we like get into a relationship.

And I'm like, again, like how this whole conversation started.

We're like, hey, I'm doing GMA.

I got a thing.

And she's like, this motherfucker invited me to a date he's on with another person.

And like, Nelly would bring up.

I'm cool.

I'm coming to you.

And in my mind, I'm just thinking, like, like, calm down.

Like, what's the big deal?

Like, I felt like she was like making a big deal about something that wasn't.

Yeah.

Well, I think I've run into that a lot of times.

Like, she's like, if you would have just explained it more to me, I would have felt more comfortable in the situation.

And we overlook it because we just think things are so normal, you know?

And I, and so like, that has been like a huge learning lesson is like talking things through, like, what, you know, what it is and why we're doing it this way, you know, especially early on in the relationship when we were like keeping under the wraps and everything like that.

It was just like, we were doing it this way because the show and, you know what I mean?

It was just all that.

I will say you've gotten.

significantly better at just keeping me in the loop.

In the beginning, it was very frustrating because I would always just want to be in the loop.

But then when I would say that to him, he would take it as like me telling him not to do stuff.

And he'd be like, this is my job.

Like, and he would make it like, this is my job.

Like, what do you want me to do?

Like, I, this is the things that I have to do.

And it was never about like, hey, I don't care if everyone else thinks that like, if you go on a talk show, you're dating someone that you were on a talk show with or whatever.

But like, if you go on there and I don't know that you're going to be on there, like, and this girl's flirting with you and all this different stuff, stuff.

Like, I feel stupid.

No, totally.

I don't care if the rest of the world thinks I'm stupid because, haha, they don't know that I'm in the loop.

Right.

Yeah, totally.

I mean, I remember Nick and I were fully, you know, not dating, but definitely

together.

And he posted an Instagram picture with

and like made a caption, like very flirty.

And everyone in the captions was like, oh my gosh, y'all should date, date, date, date, date.

And I was like, why?

Like, what?

I'm sitting at home in Georgia, like, not with this man, being like, Oh my god, I'm like, Am I stupid?

Like, what the hell?

And if he just would have been like, Hey, I got to do this bit for Instagram, people are going to lean in and it's going to be stupid, but like, don't worry.

And that's kind of like what a lot of this stuff is.

Like, we just do things because we know it's going to get a reaction.

Yeah.

And we know that it's just like, because the whole part of this game that we're playing is just keep getting reactions, keep getting reactions, keep getting, you know what I mean?

So now I think our game is hopefully getting reactions to the houses we build and design, you know?

But what I recently, there's been like some, you threw like a milk jug or something, some milk at like a DJ.

So you got, you've been getting heat?

Oh, yeah.

It's actually my first round of like people just like you done it.

Like really hate me like because of this bit, which I'll say this, from an outside perspective looking in, it's a lot.

Our friend at Country Night, there are DJs.

So they were DJing at the day party that Tyler's been putting on in Jupiter at this bar called Topside.

And they bring jugs of milk when they DJ places.

And they're my friends.

We also had our friend JP there who's a maniac.

So he like hypes me up and whatever.

Anyways, you kind of look like Mrs.

Doubtfire.

I'm a maniac to begin with.

Like if anyone knows me, like I don't care if I'm in, here I am.

Yep.

She's just like drowning herself in milk.

And then I fall, which everyone's like, oh my gosh, she's blackout drunk, which I mean, I don't know if this helps or doesn't help because maybe if I'm black out drunk, it will make me not look so stupid.

But I really had only had like two or three drinks.

Like I was not blacked out at all.

Like I went home, ate dinner, like, and then I went somewhere else like later that night.

But there was one point where I slipped because the milk is so slippery when you wear cowboy boots.

And Tyler tried to help me up.

And I like push him away.

And I'm like, no, I've got this.

And in my mind, I was thinking, oh, like when people crowd surf and they don't get caught and like they fall on the ground and then the crowd goes silent, But then they pop back up, and everyone's like, Yeah, that was what I wanted to do.

And in my mind, I was going to do it where I was like, No, like, don't help me.

I got this.

And I was going to do a cool trick and pop back up.

But then I slipped on the milk again when I tried to do my cool trick.

But, anyways, everyone's like, She's so rude.

Like, he's such a gentleman.

He's trying to help her up.

And, like, she's such a bitch.

Like, how could he be like out of everyone?

Like, how could you be blah, blah, blah.

They hated that I pushed him away.

And it really wasn't that serious.

And it wasn't that deep.

And

I blame him.

He's hyping me up.

He was like, yeah, pour the milk.

Yes.

And he posted that video while I was sleeping.

I was like taking a nap.

Wait, you posted that?

The milk video he posted while I was asleep.

Yeah.

And he posts dancing videos, but the slippery milk made it look like I was way more wasted than I actually was.

You were just slipping.

Yeah.

And then people have to bring in like, oh, that's like the chick that you want to be like the mother of your like children.

And I'm like, okay, can we just relax?

Like, yeah, they love to do that.

Yeah, and they're like, oh my God, can you imagine being her mom?

I was like, my mom thinks I'm awesome.

And my mom would be pouring the milk on her as well.

And we'd be in it together.

So, but people do come out of like the woodwork with crazy comments.

I just said this the other day, but we posted our like full wedding video on our anniversary.

And someone commented, wearing a full-length veil while fully having birth to a child seems ironic.

And I'm like, what?

Thanks, people.

You wanted me to to wear a red dress?

Yes.

I get it.

Like with an A on it.

Like symbolize virginity.

Yeah, yeah.

There's like all the, you know, the white dresses.

It's all they were slut shaming my wife.

Yes.

Yeah.

They were calling me a whore.

Yeah.

I said I looked like I was having no fun.

Yeah.

I'm like, okay.

No, I replied, I'm sorry, you're hurting.

I got a lot of likes.

Yeah.

I just like, like, even that whole video,

I've posted like six videos of her dancing, and they all, like, it's all fun.

Cause I love watching her dance.

Like I'm always like cheering her on.

Like I have so many videos of her dancing just because it's like, like she does a stupid ass move and I freaking love it.

He loves my grapevine.

Yeah.

And so like I

think it's so fun because

like, I don't know, I've always like been like.

love being around the person who likes to go for it and likes to give it the roll.

And like whatever we're doing, she always does that.

Do you feel like your past girlfriends have been like too cool?

Yeah.

And I hate that.

Cause like if you meet any of my friends, we're all, we're the village idiots.

Yeah.

Like we're all having fun.

We're all cutting up.

We're all getting down.

And like, she's one of the village idiots, like us, you know, and like, we don't go out that much.

So when we do, like, we, we'll, we'll go for it.

Cause like, why sit on your, why sit on your ass?

Also, he's the one like hosting these day parties.

So I'm trying to actively, like, I want them to be a success for him.

I mean, that I probably could have gone a more mellow route, but like it's a creative choice.

Yeah, thank you.

But

even the, even the day parties that he had previous, it's like, I am trying to get everyone excited.

I'm trying to get everyone up dancing.

Like, I am trying to create a fun space for everyone to just let loose.

You were literally thinking.

I was thinking of Tyler, you guys.

No, I just love it when she's like cutting a rug and making moves.

Like, it just, to me, it's fun.

I enjoy it.

And that's all I thought it was, you know, and like, people are like, oh, you should push away.

I'm like, that's a guy.

If your girl falls, go help her up.

If she, if she doesn't want the help, let her be.

She's like, don't take a girl.

I took zero offense offense to it.

I was just there every time she fell and I knew she was going to keep cutting, move and keep doing it.

When I saw it, though, I was like, it does look rude.

Like the way that it's, like, I know what I was thinking in my mind, but like, it looked rude.

So I knew as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, people are going to like have something to say about it.

Sure, yes.

We can, it's very easy to watch, certainly a picture, but definitely a video to interpret it.

Again, people love to make stories.

Yeah, I just like.

I think, I don't know, it doesn't, I don't think it looks rude.

I think you start to think it looks rude because of what people say.

The one issue I have with comments, and it's even happened to me.

Like, the more people comment, the more shit you read, the more you become trigger-shy in posting the stuff you do.

Like, I think about the stuff I used to post, like, when I came out, I was wild and like letting shit rip, and it was funny, it was this, it was that.

But then you say something here, and it didn't work for something.

Then you start kind of getting more sensitive and more sensitive.

Nick always says it handcuffs you creatively.

It does.

It does.

It does.

And so it's like,

I get upset with her when she's like reading the stuff.

I'm like, don't, because like it'll start to be in the back of your mind when you're starting to think about saying something or doing something.

You think about this one person.

Yeah, you know, and like, I called the 80 to 20 where like 80% of it's great.

20% of it sucks.

Like, why focus on the 20?

I think that's definitely like one thing that Nick has very much instilled in my brain that I'm very grateful for.

Because in the beginning, I was definitely like.

reading every comment.

I was like scouring Reddit, being like, what do these people think of me?

Like, I need acceptance from anonymous strangers.

And then it was like so fucking mean

and nick was like you have to stop reading this stuff the good stuff doesn't matter the bad stuff doesn't matter you just like can't read any of it and honestly i was like by the way no one fucking likes me on reddit so like yeah don't go looking for a compliment you will not find it you won't find yeah it's just like at the end i think like benny blanco was just like in an interview saying all of this where he like he doesn't read any of it because it's like the good comments aren't good for you because you believe them because you're like, Oh my god, like I am.

Oh my god, I'm amazing.

And then you read the hate comment and you're like, Well, they're both strangers.

I did.

They're both bad.

You have to believe the bad if you're going to believe the good.

And think about it.

Do you think, like, think about your close friends?

This is how I was trying to think about it.

Think about your close friends.

Do you think they're the ones that would go on to Reddit and be an anonymous person and sit there and have conversations about people they don't know all the time?

Or do you think they would be the ones with a fake profile, like commenting mean stuff on people's stuff?

Like, our close friends wouldn't be the ones doing that.

Like, then you got to realize what kind of person that is, you know?

Yeah.

And so it's like, don't stoop to that level.

And like, don't let the people that are at that level affect what's going on in your brain and your creativeness and

your self-consciousness, you know, like who you think you are.

Because it sucks.

Like it fucks everyone up.

And like, I think we're all ignorant to say it doesn't.

Cause it all at one point, like, we've been through the ringer, you know, like, and then now you all getting thrown into it.

Yeah, that's just hard.

Thanks, guys.

And I do think, you know, the sad part about it is that like one day it's going to end really bad for somebody.

Yeah.

And it's going to be someone that we all know.

And like someone's like, oh, sure.

Yeah.

You know, like, I, I, no, I know.

Sometimes I just like can't comprehend that like, just because it's like the thought of like creating a profile just to say like nasty things about someone you've never met before is like so wild to me.

that someone would spend their time doing that, but it is.

It's like just a constant like, you kind of have to just practice, like not.

You also like part of it too is just like, you know, there's always a lot of conversations, especially like about reality TV and like when we cover it in terms of like, you know, the bad producers or like the like the moral responsibility of these TV shows and these big mean contracts we all sign.

And like, I'm not here to like defend production companies or producers or things like that.

But like, I think sometimes we also have to remember like it's different for you ladies because like you didn't sign up for this.

You know, like like nally is a little different not you know like right now you still have just been playing the role of like you're doing your thing you're you're you're Tyler Cameron's girlfriend Nally has chose to be on the show she has chosen to like you know do a brand deal yeah you know being like now Nally is in it right and so like once you're in like this arena the business of it like the haters pay your bills yeah like honestly it's not your fans as much as it is the haters they keep people engaged Like, the haters activate your fans.

Like, cause most of your fans are too busy going about their lives.

And you're like, yeah, I'm a fan.

Yeah.

You know, and it's always like when your haters like really just routine, you know, and your fan comes across a hate comment and they want to kind of defend you.

Yeah.

But it's like you almost, you really have to let the haters, you have to be okay with it.

Like it is like the game we kind of chose.

Like, again, you're a little different because you didn't choose this as much.

So that, that's the part that sucks.

But like, as we become more involved, like it is, it just kind of comes with the territory.

And once you just kind of accept that, where it's just like, you know, I just, you almost, it's like a necessary thing that needs to happen.

100%.

I mean, at the end of the day, it's fun.

Like it, there's so much fun that comes with coming into this stuff, the things that I've gotten to do with him, like even our day-to-day, like the simple things.

Like, if I just was in normal life, it's like you don't get to have, get to do what we do and like do it so closely like with, you know, your partner.

So I think

we're very lucky too yeah i think part of the reason like one of the biggest reasons why i fell in love with tate was like her light shines so bright and it shines so bright on like so many of the people and like she she just lifts everyone's energy up like i love that about her and i just get worried of people dimming that light and i don't like that's the only thing i ever get scared of and like when i because i i do push you a lot i'm like you need to like do this and do that and like i'm trying to tell her to you you need to start a design interior design company he starts a new business for me like every day as i'm trying to start the 10 businesses that he wants to start for himself.

But I just think you're so, like, so skilled, so like have such a vision, like so great at all these things.

And I'm like, I'm always trying to push you, push you, push you.

And I get afraid that you seeing and hearing and reading what other people have to say about you will make you scared to do that.

Cause like, it has affected me.

And like, I don't want those effects to affect you.

It makes me.

insecure about certain things that I want to try and do, like where I'm just like, no, you just got to stop worrying about what these people say and just go do it.

And that's why I try, I, you know, know, I'll get on you about it.

Don't read that.

Like, come on.

Like, that's not who you are.

You know, like, because I'm like, I think Tate as a whole could be just whatever she wants to be.

She could be the best.

She'd be the best designer.

She could be the best personality.

You know what I mean?

So I just, I'm trying to.

I totally, I hear it.

You're totally hearing what you're saying.

But also, you got to remember, like, your guys' story, too.

Like, it's a cautionary tale in a way.

Like, I mean, truly, like, the story you just told, they're like, it's not realistic.

Yeah.

We became friends first

with the heartthrob guy.

Like, oh, well, for all the ladies out there who are friends with a guy they are secretly in love with, that they've been chasing for a long time, do not listen to this episode.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, but with that, you are going to get a shit ton of fucking haters and criticisms.

And it doesn't, like, I think the people who ever probably even say that shit and project that shit.

Yeah, like, it's just like, they're not, you know, it's just like, as soon as they see the milk video, right?

Their first thought was like, why does this bitch deserve this life?

For sure.

Absolutely.

You know, like she, I would never throw milk.

I deserve this.

Why can't, you know what I'm saying?

It's just coming from that place of like encapsulating everything about who you are by watching this video and then projecting what's not going right for them and being frustrated with what's going right for you.

You know, and then I'll turn it off.

So then it's like you have to think about how you thought about that day before you read any comments.

And, like, I bet you were like, that was so much fun.

Oh, we had a ball.

We had a great time.

And then, like, if the comments were, oh my gosh, she's so silly and goofy, love her.

Like, you would never have a bad thought about it once.

But because one person, two people, three people were like, I start dissecting.

You're like, oh, yeah, I shouldn't have done that.

And yeah, it did kind of look rude.

And I should, you know, and it's like, you never would have thought that if you hadn't have read those comments.

Yeah.

No, I did tell Tyler when we went to stagecoach.

I was like, no videos of me dancing.

Not, we're not doing that that this time.

Which

we missed out.

Yeah.

I danced a little bit.

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Another funny fact, I actually wing womaned for Tyler a bunch too.

And would like, oh, say more.

Yeah.

He has this thing, or he had this thing, where he did, like, he's an avoidant.

So like he never knew how to like get girls to leave.

So he would always do this thing where they would like start hanging around and they like think that they're like

finally the person that like tyler cameron is like falling in love with and all of a sudden uh i'd get a call or our friend kate would get a call or us together would get a call like hey can you guys just come here for a sec and so we'd go hang out all of a sudden where's tyler he's like not at the house anymore like we're all hanging out he like leaves us with this girl and then this was like multiple times and so you had to like send home the booty calls?

Oh, yeah.

I would pick them up sometimes too.

Yeah.

What?

Yeah.

I picked them up, dropped them off.

This was before we went together.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The fact that you had your assistant doing that shit is crazy.

Pick up somebody to meet me for an event.

I mean,

the one time that I did,

the time I picked them up,

it was to go to like an event, but still fine.

I couldn't pick them up, so it was during work hours.

I was like, can you go pick up this girl?

During work hours, this girl.

I don't think it was during your o'clock can you go pick up this girl from from the station and then yeah and then bring her bring her to to me yeah but you would take some home like at the morning no no so he would be like hey yeah can you just hang out with me money to get an uber for you know

but sometimes i just wouldn't leave and so then i would text him and i've come to realize that tyler would literally rather give a girl his home and just be like just take it and I'll leave.

Yeah, if we ever break up than like telling, then telling them that like, hey, I think it's time to go.

Like, hey, like, I'm busy.

Like, maybe, like, let's get you an Uber home.

Can you just be like, hey, I just like, I have a, I have a, a, a doctor's appointment.

He makes it way too complicated.

This is, like, how the things that, like, used to upset me in the beginning where I'd be like, hey, if you just communicated that with me, this wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Like, that's another example, but like a little bit deeper.

Like, I had a girl that I was like, made it so much worse.

She came in and she.

bought a one-way ticket in.

I just didn't know what she was ever leaving.

Like, like, how long?

I didn't know how to get her to leave.

She flew in.

Yeah.

And only, oh.

And then I just like, I was like, so I was just starting to

start calling Kate and Tate.

I was like, hey, can y'all go hang out with her for a little bit?

And I'd be like, work, work is actually going to be at the Airbnb, so we hang by the pool.

So then I make our work day at the Airbnb.

Then I would dip out.

I got hairs around.

Remember when we all got our nails done?

Everyone got the nails done.

And hers took like 10 extra hours.

We got like, I don't know, something simple and stupid.

She like got a pedicure, got like a shell with an acrylic.

So we're all like afterwards, we're sitting in the front of the nail salon, all three of us just sitting there.

And she's just like back at the table.

She's like, sorry about this.

I'm like, all this stuff is happening.

And then takes his card and like he buys, like, pays for it.

I mean, as a real gentleman does.

And then I remember it was like an hour later.

She did something.

Like we were all trying to play like bump a volleyball or something and it just went and it broke her nail.

I know.

We're all like, damn, that's rough.

She's like, I got to go back.

Do you want to come with me?

Yeah.

You have to go.

Yeah.

So, I mean, you saw it all before she got into this mess.

So, truly.

But I think, you know, I'm excited for her and I'm excited for us.

I think the reason why we work well together is just because we both like, we want to build something special.

We want to build a house.

We want to build

a family.

We want to do these things.

It's not just.

So, like, when do you think you're going to propose?

Let's just get right to it.

You have a good question.

You want to meet you?

Yeah.

Well, he's belonging.

And the family.

It's like, okay.

So, like, like yeah well i mean i the one reason why one of the main reasons was like she'd be the best mother best wife all that stuff so i was like you know like any idea i got she's like down to try and make it happen and build it out and like and same with her she's built your whole house she pretty much my very hands with her very

i tried to help but then she she fires me all the time she like is laying grout like this

crazy

she she she stoned our whole fireplaces and grouted i and then she fired the painters out of the house kicked them all out and then painted the whole thing herself before we had our pottery barn deal.

And then I tried to help Stone in one place, and then it all fell on me, and she kicked me out.

He has really good intentions when he like comes to help, and it's like cute.

And it's like, oh my gosh.

And then all of a sudden, like, his foot is in like a paint can, and he's like, yeah, falling over and like knocking over, I don't know, the ladder that I'm on.

And I'm like, dead, hanging from the ceiling.

Yeah, dead, like not alive anymore.

And so it's just, it's always good in like good intentions, but I'm always just like, just set it down and just like, just go somewhere else.

And then I started thinking, I'm like, are you doing this on purpose?

Like, you do want five kids.

Yes.

And like, I know we got to get to it.

Yeah.

At some point, you do kind of.

And he's like so adamant.

I, me, the women do not have as much time.

And five's only one.

But for five, and I'm not even engaged.

I don't know how to get kids.

And it's not even like a convo.

I have a deep, I have a deep question for you.

Something Natalie and I learned in our relationship is like our like our connection and not and like an in like a tangible connection.

Like, do we feel connected or do we feel disconnected?

Like it is a tangible thing to be mindful of.

You know, does that make sense?

Where it's just like, I feel connected to my wife, or we're not on the same page.

Like, what are times where you feel the most connected?

And like, what do you guys do if you're feeling disconnected?

Who makes the first move to try to reconnect you guys?

I think the times we most feel connected,

I'd say is

like when we're building stuff, we're fired up about something.

Like, I think that's like when we're most connected and like we see things come together and like, damn, we did that.

Like we, we can do this.

We do anything together, you know?

And I think like, I think just at home life, getting through home stuff together.

When I feel the most connected too.

Like, yes, the building stuff, but like, there's never been such like a sense of peace.

that I've ever had before other than like ordering in food, like sitting on the couch at night.

Like, it's just, and I'm like looking around.

I'm like, wow, like we're in our house.

Like, this is our life.

Like,

and it just feels so right.

And I don't know.

And it's just easy.

Like, there's no, I think I said it earlier, but there's just no, like, I feel like I used to think, think, think, think, think when I was in other relationships.

And it's like, my mind is so calm when it's just us.

Like, it's so at ease.

There's no like conflicting thoughts like as I'm sitting there, like trying to think about the next move to make sure that I do the right next move and I mean I don't know if I scare you and you don't feel the same like that but no no

I agree I think what I was like harping on more like on my side of it like when I feel like can like my biggest fear in life is is because is losing it like my my parents they lost all their money when a way happened and the market crashed and then we lost our family shortly afterwards like it just went to shit and so for me like financial stability has always been like such a big thing.

And, and I've always been on my own.

And like this world that we're in now, like, like, it's helped me expedite the success I've had like in construction and building all these things.

Cause I basically went from being like, you know, a guy working with a hammer, making 200 bucks a week to now being able to buy homes, flip them and do it all myself.

And like, I skipped all the middle part, you know?

So really, we're like learning how to flip and renovate these houses on our own.

And when we're doing this stuff together, I love working with her because she's got such a good eye.

And she's so like,

she goes hard.

So it makes me go hard.

Like, and like, we just work so well together.

We push each other.

And there's like, we'll get up at 6 a.m.

and we'll leave a job site at like 9.30, 10 o'clock at night, like eating barbecue and be like, fuck, we did it, you know?

And then like getting up and doing it again.

And it's like fun.

It's like, like I'm doing with my best friend and like we're building something special.

Cause like I have a fear.

of always like, well, this bachelor's shit is going to run out.

Like, you know, I can't be making money off social media forever.

So how the hell am I going to make money elsewhere?

And then it's like us building these things together and, you know, going through these houses and building these, you know, like I want to build a property management company.

I want to build more rentals.

I want to build more units.

I want to do all these things.

And like, then once we knock one out, we knock the next one out.

I'm like, damn, we could really build something special together.

And like, you know, that we don't have to worry about being on our phones or doing this stuff.

Like, we can just, you know, and so like, that's where I feel connected because we're pushing each other and making each other better and greater.

And then we're creating, like, we're always like, the way I look at things is like, we're creating lives for our kids.

And so, I don't know.

I feel five children.

Five kids.

Yeah.

I mean, I love that answer.

I relate to it a ton.

I mean, it's just like, yeah, just like having a partner to do life with.

I know it's like so cliche when you hear all like the wedding speeches and things like, have a partner.

Yeah.

But it really is like, I don't know.

There is something about feeling like knowing that you have that person to do, to do life with, to do projects with, to like accomplish things together.

Yeah.

It's so much more meaningful.

You know, like when you think of, you know, and like we have our daughter.

So now it's just like, it does make it more purposeful.

Like, I mean, now it's just like, I think about my life when I was single and just kind of like how stupid a lot of,

a lot of it, a lot of it was.

Like, I got to do fun shit, but there was really kind of no meaning behind it.

Purpose or meaning.

At least I didn't know what that meaning was, you know, other than like checking a box or doing something off, you know, that like, oh, that was cool, you know, as opposed to like having more meaning.

behind it and like, yeah, just feeling like you're accomplishing something and like, you know to do things with Natalie is way more enjoyable than than doing it by yourself yeah I think like on the flip side the only time I ever do feel disconnected is like when things

like aren't rocking and rolling you know what I mean like like kind of like lately right now like we've been sitting on our hands because like we just threw two money into two houses and then we have uh and then I just paid a lot of tax money.

You know what I mean?

It's always like I was like, damn, I thought I had more money to invest than I do, you know?

So now I'm like sitting on my hands, like, what do we do?

What do we do?

You know what I mean?

And then I like, I get squirrely in my head.

And then we kind of like, I can feel like that's when I get disconnected.

And then it's like, I should be expressing those feelings to her about like,

I'm in my head about this.

Like, I don't feel good about that.

Like, and then we have those talks and it's always so much better.

Then we always lock in together.

I always think it's something that I'm doing.

And like, he's disappointed in me.

And yeah, the communication definitely during those times.

I think that's natural.

I feel like that's probably how I feel as well.

It's like, if we're disconnected, it's definitely a like sense of like, what's what have I done that makes him feel like he's like pulling away when usually it's just yeah, business or something that's in his own head and just like haven't gotten a chance to sit down and talk about it.

And I think too, like sometimes it's like I feel insecure about talking about it.

You know, like I don't feel good about where I'm at with this and what I'm doing with this or, you know, because like business wise, financial wise, like, I've never had anyone to teach me anything, you know, so it's like, I've been getting screwed over, fucked over, you know, learning the hard way and all these things and still learning the hard way and all these things.

And I'm like, I don't want to tell her how I got burned or I just wasted this on that.

You know what I mean?

So it's like, well, also, like, I just want to fight everyone.

And he's like so much more chill and calm.

I don't, I'm just like, you know, making this up as I go.

Yeah.

Like, I don't fucking know.

Well, but I think, you know, at the end of it, like, it just gets better if we just keep doing it and we keep doing it together and we keep talking through it.

You know, like, just like you, I mean, you've been such a great additive to what Nick does here.

And it's like, but you guys just keep figuring it out and keep going and keep growing.

As someone who observes relationships a lot and judges people a lot,

it's just great to see this relationship and you guys together, especially, you know, like, you know, we, like, we talk about guys and fuckboys and situationships a lot.

You know, like, just hearing, like, there are so many men out there, right?

Men who are successful with women who, like, you know, for whatever Tyler did as a single person.

Like, he was always upfront.

You know what I'm saying?

And you, you know, whoever's, I don't know what you think about Tyler's version of his story when it was just like, you know, I had all these women and then one, you know, it's just like, then I have this person in front of me and I don't want to fuck it up.

But like, there's a lot of intention behind that.

And there are a lot of men who will float, like, will say the L-word and talk about relationships and to close the deal,

essentially.

To like get in bet.

He said, I love you yet?

Oh, God.

Y'all want to hear a fucking story.

Yeah.

You want me to tell it?

So we hadn't said, I love you yet.

It was probably like a couple months into dating.

We went on a brand trip to Aspen and it was one of those moments where he was like in the shower, but I was like in the bathroom like doing my makeup or something.

And I was giggling about something he said.

And I was like, ha, like, oh, I love you.

Like, I love you.

Like, cause he said something stupid.

And I was like, no, no, it's fine.

I'm like, God, I love you or something like that.

Like, slipped out.

And I just immediately got quiet.

And I was like, oh, I hope he didn't hear that.

Like, what do I do now?

And I just, and he was in the shower.

So it was all.

Turn on the water.

You're like, like,

it's loud and you can't hear anything.

Probably like a 10-second pause.

And then he just goes, Tate,

you're the best.

And I was like,

I'm going to,

okay.

Here's my thing.

Love is a very, very strong word.

Should have just pat her on the head.

I don't think I said that.

Maybe I said that.

You doubt it.

You're a Tate.

You're just the best.

Yeah.

I just, I don't believe in just saying I love you to say I love love you like i think that's like very hypocritical like you said just using the l-word to get in bed with somebody and so like i'm not gonna tell you that until i can fully say i do mean it you know what i mean and like love you as a friend sure but like love you as someone who like like like romantically want to be in love with is like a different thing you know and it took me you know it took me until yesterday

it happened right mother's day actually it was mother's day oh yeah

but i just like people people will probably shit on me for that.

No, I actually appreciate it because I think he has always been an open book.

And I was friends with him.

And he, I'm friends with his friends who have seen him through like all of his relationships.

And they always said, like, oh, as soon as he likes a girl, he's like, oh, I love her.

I love her.

I'm going to like, she is the best thing in the world.

So it was actually cool to see.

how he was where he would get like go all in and just and then it would always like crash and burn where it's like wow he's being so much more like delicate and like careful with me rather than like the other girls like i'm like so different

squirky yeah i mean i haven't known tyler that long but kind of what i was saying before it's just like i know that the touch i mean i i was like like that where it was like i i didn't i i never wanted to lead people on i never said things about feelings i didn't mean it's just like if I was, you know, people know me as a pretty direct, honest guy.

And I very much was like that in dating.

I mean, Nellie's told this story when we first met.

I was like, we'll never date, you know, and because I just didn't want to.

But like, the flip side of that is like, you know, once I was in a relationship, like, I don't fuck around, you know, I'm very like, and I see that energy with Tyler in you.

And it's very, like, it's great.

It's very endearing.

It's very intentional.

And like, it's, it's, it's very real.

But like,

yeah.

That's cute.

But like,

but I don't, I,

like, my first time I ever had a girl, it was like a year until I said I love you.

I yeah, like, I don't, like, I think two months.

Like, I don't, I'm sorry.

Like, we're still like getting romantic, you know?

I mean,

yes, yes, okay.

Yes, yes.

There's rules now.

Like, I gotta say, I love you and give her a kiss before I leave.

Yeah.

And we'll scurry back.

There's no love you.

It's I love you.

Yeah.

I love you.

Like, big old smooch.

And, like, but like, I'm like excited and proud and happy to say it.

You know, which was before, like, I, like, I would have hated to say I love you at that point too, just for her to be happy.

Then us saying it, saying it's, then I come and almost almost resent the word.

Well, then you call it a little love bouncer.

Yeah.

So I, I, you know, yeah, I didn't know how to respond at that point.

You know what I mean?

Because what she said it, because Mother's Day, she said it again to me.

She's like, I just love you.

Well, he was talking about his mom.

But it's a little confusing because it's just like, I just love you.

It's just like, I can tell that about anyone.

But I love you.

And then like, and then the Mother's Day, she's like, panic.

She's like,

we were having a very deep conversation and we were just sitting in the car and he was talking about his mom.

And

I was like checking on him because I think that, you know, naturally that would be like a hard holiday.

And

I think it just came out.

Like I was saying something nice.

And I was like, you know, I just love you.

And I just want you to like do that.

Like, I'm here.

At that point, yes.

At that point, I was like, is this guy ever going to tell me that he loves me?

Because I like so obsessed with him.

Like, what's going on?

No, I just love you.

And I just, you know, I just love you.

I do love you.

And I just like want you to know, like, I'm always here if you want to like talk.

And then I, like, stopped.

And I, like, tried to get out of the car.

And I'm like, I'm sorry.

Like, I didn't mean it.

Like, da-da-da.

And he was like, can you, like, get back in and, like, chill the fuck out?

So was that in the car that he bought you?

No, no, no, no, no.

That was just this past Valentine's Day.

Which is so cool.

I had a lot of people mad at me that after that Valentine's.

I was like, dude, you bought her a car.

Like, no, my girlfriend was like, he got in the car.

He got a car.

He did have so many people calling them.

I'm like, this isn't like a normal, like every year I expect something as like lavish as a car, but it was definitely, definitely definitely a good Valentine's.

It was a Range Rover, right?

Yeah.

Range Rover.

And I thought,

I knew he, we went and looked for Nick was like, let's get you a new car.

And I was like, oh my God, he's buying me a fucking car.

And then he was like, yeah, and you're going to pay the car payment.

I was like, whoa,

relax.

Like, I'm good with my car I got now.

I don't need a new one if I'm paying the car payment.

I'd like to turn the key ignition on.

I don't need to push it.

I like.

Yeah, I like that.

I like to carry some old with me in the car to fill it up.

I I like that.

Before we go, how's your friend Matt James doing?

He's doing good.

He's doing good.

Is he still in?

No, he's back in.

Kenya?

Oh.

Where did he go?

I thought he was going to Kenya.

Kenya.

Yeah.

Is he doing another one?

Yeah, he's doing good.

He's never going to tell his side of the story.

I have no idea.

I think that's.

I've tried to text him to figure out.

He hasn't even responded yet.

He hasn't even given me a ton of time.

I think for him, like, the best thing to do is let it die and be done with it.

You know?

I think he knows and probably regrets decisions were made.

Yeah, I think he just, you know, they, it was, we both saw like, everyone saw the interviews and stuff, like, they both need to be like broke.

And they need to go their separate ways.

They need to figure it out.

At the end of the day, what happened, maybe not in the way that it happened, but it was supposed to happen.

Yeah.

Like, I think the breakout post, he regrets it, you know, and it was weird and it wasn't,

it transcended my beliefs and understandings, you know.

Otherworldly.

And like, I, I, I love Matt.

I still love Matt to this day.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, it just, like, you know, once things like that blow up in your face, sometimes it's best to just kind of let it go past.

Yeah, but everyone wants to forgive someone.

And also, he didn't kill anyone.

You know, it's like not, I mean, the way people reacted, I mean, I'm having couldn't be more happy for Rachel and her finally like having her day because like that was a star.

We love her.

And like, she also, like,

we all know how terrible the beginning of their relationship was and the shit they had to deal with.

But like, yeah, I mean, he's just, it was just an insensitive breakup.

Like, that certainly he can learn from and apologize from, but like, he also didn't kill anyone.

And people act like, holy shit, man.

Like, yeah.

Well, I just think nowadays, everyone wants to just destroy everyone on the internet.

You know, like, there's, there's like, there's no like middle ground.

Everyone wants to

build people up.

They want to find new creators only to like dig down old tweets and find something to cancel for.

For sure.

And so it's just, yeah, it just didn't go well.

And they could have done it another way.

I'm sure if he did it another way, it still would have got some sort of backlash.

You know what I mean?

I think the post, it just didn't.

Well, I don't know about that.

I mean, there's definitely lots of ways that were not that way.

For sure, for sure.

But I think no matter what, there's always going to be a winner and a loser in it.

Yeah.

And that's how today is like a pick a team.

There's nothing that's amicable anymore.

Everything is like winner, loser, loser dies.

Yeah.

You know, no, for sure.

Like, we are in the gladiator days where everyone just like kind of, yeah.

You you know,

it's so true.

It is wild.

Yeah.

Well, we love you guys.

Thanks for doing this.

We love you guys.

Love you.

Love you.

Really happy.

Love.

Look at all the love in here.

Yeah, but really, we're really happy for you guys.

I'm happy for Tyler as her friend to have such a great woman in his life.

And wishing you guys nothing but the best.

And let's go have some dinner.

Let's go eat.

Let's go meet River.

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