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what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick joined by my smart

that's charismatic

saying sexy, beautiful, wonderful.

It just flows off the tongue.

Funny, hysterical, charismatic.

Smart.

He said smart.

He didn't even finish smart.

He was like, I don't know if she is, honestly.

That's nuts.

Anyway, the household is full.

Our friend, friend of show Victoria Fuller is here along with Susie Evans and the rest of the household.

We have a lot to get into, lots of fun to talk about.

We got a jam-packed episode for you joining us this episode.

Chelsea Fry from the new hit show, The Paper.

Many of you are laughing, streaming, and enjoying that, as well as Mark Estes.

You know him from TikTok, one of the Montana boys, also famously known as Kristen Cavalieri's action.

Mark, who is on Special Forces, fresh off his relationship with Kristen, joins us later this episode to talk about joining the Special Forces family.

He's also hot to trot on TikTok, and we grill him about his relationship.

That's fun.

He's also currently dating Summer Ray.

Yeah, he's also currently dating Summer Ray.

I love that.

How do you know Summer?

I don't.

Should we get into it?

He's dating someone named Summer Ray, who my wife tells me is a lovely gal.

I've never heard of her.

Don't know her.

Well, we had a wonderful weekend this past weekend.

Victoria got us out of the house.

I guess I did.

I'm really into my,

like, I'll say this much about the world, and that we just need to like dive into our community, whoever our community community is.

And Victoria took us to this lovely winery over the weekend.

You're welcome.

Kid-friendly, people approved.

Everyone was just like lovely and outside and off their phones and just having a good vibe.

Smoking cigars.

I smoked a cigar for the first time in a long time.

They were selling cigars.

Anyways, we had such a good time.

Like, honestly, it's just like, it's so good.

I really think people need to be like, finding what's going on in their local community, whether you're in a relationship, out of a relationship, just get outside, have some fun connect yeah i agree victoria brought a date

i like that nick's idea of investing in community is just doing uh like hanging out hanging out yeah people don't hang out anymore outside

there was a lot of like older kids who were like playing with river and then like their parents would like come and like the parents were all talking to the other parents and like the kids were playing with the kids and it was a cute vibe there was live music it was it was fun it was a lot of fun did we just gliz over that did nick just say victoria brought a date?

Yeah, is that what we heard?

Is that what we heard?

Well, and I did bring a date.

Well, you did go Instagram official.

And we are, we are married.

So surprise.

Surprise, you heard it here first.

I'm engaged.

We're trying to force a relationship on all our friends because selfishly, Natalie and I want to build a community with all our friends, having babies, and in relationships at the same time.

It's really all about us.

Really not trying to force our lifestyle on anyone else except for the people we want to hang out with on a regular basis.

But how did you like him, Nick?

I liked him.

He was cool, right?

Yeah.

Well, you had your first date.

I said normal, which gave Victoria the ick.

Oh, oh.

First,

I'm allergic to normal.

Not that he gave me.

I'm allergic to normal.

I'm very allergic.

Highly.

Hives.

Hives everywhere.

I say normal.

She hears boring.

And I don't like that because I don't think he's boring.

But so when you say normal, it's more like grounded.

Yeah, he's grounded.

Healthy.

He's even-keel.

He's healthy.

He's healthy.

Not toxic.

Not toxic.

not really in the scene he's low-key but you had your first date while you were in new york for new york fashion week yes right we did he flew to new york and he came to new york and we went on our first date and we spent two days together that's what we did and it was lovely yeah i know and very reminiscent it was just fun was fashion week in a whole fun for you this year fashion week was work who did you see um so i was with paige the sorbo most of the time we love her we love paige how does she feel about me?

Hates you.

I'm just kidding.

No, she didn't see you.

She's like, actually, your name didn't come up.

Absolutely despises you.

No, you didn't come up in conversation, unfortunately.

But, you know, she probably likes you.

I don't think there's a reason to.

What do you really think?

I think she probably doesn't love your take on her ex.

I wouldn't like it either.

Yeah, no, I get it.

If you were like hyping up Greg, I'd be like, oh.

And what we're all doing together.

So we were working with Treseme.

So it was very busy for 48 hours, which was so much fun.

We got to film this like mini-series on YouTube that will be coming out soon.

So it was just like show what's going on behind the scenes with Tressame during fashion week, which was amazing because I just have always dreamed of doing something like that.

And I finally got to do something like really big for fashion week.

Yeah, it's like on that.

Yeah.

Sat front row at the Christian Siriano show.

Oh my God.

They were like videoing us the whole time on our commentary, which is crazy.

That's crazy.

On the outfits, on the vibe, on the hair.

So it's very cool.

That is really cool.

Yeah, so check it out on YouTube in like a week or two.

Question for, since fashion, we

just popped in my head.

Question for all of the ladies in the room right now.

Like, how do you guys approach communicating to your boyfriends or people you're dating

whether you like or more specifically don't like part of their outfit?

Like, do you guys give notes?

I have a hard time giving notes.

You have a hard time giving notes?

I have a hard time giving notes because, yeah, I I don't know that I fully trust myself.

And so sometimes I'll see something and I'm like, is this fashion or am I just so behind in the times?

But I've definitely been uncomfortable with some of my past partners

outfits.

Like, what has it been that's made you uncomfortable?

Like, is it skinny jeans?

Is it Chelsea boots?

No, I feel like it's like risky fashion, you know, like risky fashion.

Where I'm like, oh, like, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have gone for that.

I didn't know you were in the street.

The call-up was wild, Natalie.

I just was like, curious, like, what, like, what i mean when natalie met me i was i was all skinny jeans and chelsea boots and natalie god bless her i because i am god bless her no no no seriously speaking with me i'm from the midwest

i and and as a midwest boy i always wanted to be fashionable i enjoyed fashion i i made an attempt at like keeping up with fashion but when you're from the midwest it just like it comes inland much slower.

I mean, I had friends getting out of boot cut jeans into skinny jeans when I was migrating out of skinny jeans into like regular fitting pants because Natal appropriately shamed me.

And thank God for her because I used to paint that shit on my pants.

And I can't like, it's so uncomfortable.

And it really took, but it took a lady in my life to just say, hey,

because I think all men and when they get to like a certain age freeze in time with their fashion.

I actually think though, because I've done the whole transformation and like gone through that with men that I've dated and I'm like, you're going to wear this, you're going to wear this, like, and really elevate them.

And then we break up.

So I actually would like to go the opposite way.

You don't want to be there.

And like, I want them to be heinous.

I don't want them to be fashionable.

I want them to be losers.

I don't want them to know the trends.

Until there's a ring on your finger, it doesn't, the fashion doesn't change.

Until we are married and I have, I'm with child,

he's going to look.

Girls will not desire him.

Girls will look at him with

Okay, so when if you're not Victoria Fuller and toxic

That is rude.

That's actually really rude

I was actually gonna say I did this with my with my fiancé now I let him be himself and then now that we are in the process of together as one Let's start changing some things So you're like okay now these have to go and he's like I've been wearing these for the last 10 years and you're just now telling me he has had a couple moments like that recently Actually a couple days ago, he was literally like called me and he was like, that shirt that you didn't like, the blue one buttoned down, was there a reason?

And I was like, I thought I threw that away.

And it was.

It was a different shirt, but it was like he was literally calling me with anxiety because he didn't want to wear this shirt because he knew I didn't like it and thought it was going to look bad.

You know what the trick is, Susie, for in the future when you're dating a guy?

Who gives a shit whether you like whether it's fashionable or not?

If they look like shit, tell them.

No, but no, you don't know.

It's the opposite.

Don't criticize them.

Don't be like, ew, that looks bad.

Don't, you're stupid.

It's more give them something to wear, pick out something.

Maybe it's a gift.

Put it, have them try it on and go, oh my God, you look so fucking good in that.

That's hot.

That's sexy.

Oh, my God.

Oh, you know, like men want to feel hot.

They want to feel good.

They want to feel pretty.

They really do.

And if you just like make them feel that way, like it'll work.

It's not about criticizing what they're doing.

It's like, it's gassing them up.

And like, you gaslight, literally gaslight them into wearing what you want them to wear positive gaslighting so and you're calling me toxic

that's crazy okay wait I have I have a question because I was in a car full of boys young men if you will I won't go into too much detail about that but I was listening to

this conversation

and one of the guys found out that his ex has moved on and they pulled up a picture of the new guy and he was like slightly less attractive than the guy that was in the car with us.

And everyone's like dogging on the new guy and just talking about his looks, like how it's a downgrade, all this stuff.

And I genuinely like from the depths of my soul, I wanted to be like, you realize he's probably like a decent human who like doesn't lie, doesn't manipulate her.

Like it really has nothing to do with his looks.

I kept that to myself because I actually don't know these people that well.

But in the back of my head, I was like, is this like how all men think you lose the girls?

Like because you weren't hot enough or that this guy isn't as attractive.

Like I was so confused.

And I'm like, I've not been in car fulls of men, full of men before.

So, Nicky,

carful of ladies.

I know.

My takeaway is like, love the fact that they are like pulling up a photo.

They're like doing, being little FBI agents.

They're like finding a photo of the new guy, like scrolling back years ago.

They're like, ooh, girl, he's ugly.

You were skinny jeans.

But I was like, I, I mean, I don't, I was so caught off guard.

I was like, is this what happens with men?

Nick, do y'all do that?

I think, honestly, in a lot of ways, ways, yeah, men are a lot like play in a lot of the stereotypes that are about when it comes to like women talking about men and dating.

And men are great with gassing up their boys and making them feel good.

And they're pulling for anything.

If they think their friend's hotter than the other person, they'll say that.

If the guy she left them for has like what they perceive to be like not as cool of a job, they'll shit on that, right?

They're just like gassing up their friend, you know, just the same way I think ladies would do that.

Absolutely.

Right.

I would be like, she's paying us.

Like, Susie, if your friend was, like, was all upset about her acts moving on, and then you're like, let me see a picture of her, and you thought she was less attractive than your friend, like, what would you say?

True, true, true, true.

But if I felt like my friend totally fumbled that guy and like treated him shitty, like, would I, would I, like, call it out and be like, well, you did kind of.

I would.

Yeah.

That's the thing is I'm like, nobody, I'm like, nobody's living in reality here.

Like, you fumbled her.

Like, there's a reason why you guys broke up and you're thinking it's because she doesn't find you attractive anymore, but it's not about all of the things that you did.

I mean, no offense, Susie, though.

I don't know if a lot of women groups are doing that with their girlfriends when they're upset with over a guy.

That's fair.

That's fair.

Okay.

I guess it's a good thing I kept my mouth shut then.

But were you the toxic?

Yeah, you fumbled him, unfortunately.

Right.

Maybe I'm the only person that could have said it in the car, but I was like, I'm not going to put that.

The vibes.

I'm not going to.

Yeah.

I'm not going to bring the vibes.

Susie, I want to know, how did you end up with a bunch of young, strange men in a car?

I was hitching a ride.

I won't go.

I don't want this to get back.

You know what I mean?

I don't want this to get back to the source.

So it feels like it will.

She was hitching a ride.

She was hitching.

She's hitching a ride.

She had her thumb up on the side of Sunset Boulevard.

Yeah.

For my The Summer I Turned Pretty Girls, what is this that I'm hearing that Christopher Bryony is narrating an erotica?

Yes.

Is this a thing?

This is the thing.

It's like a new series.

I'm not a fan of the Summer I Turn Pretty, but I am a fan of eroticas.

And so

she is a fan of eroticas, everyone.

And so, like, am I excited that young Leonardo DiCaprio lookalike is going to be narrating?

I honestly.

Do we have a clip?

Do we have a clip of, I need to hear his sexy voice.

Let's see.

Christopher Briney's sexy voice.

Yep.

I'm tuned in.

The problem with the audiobook is that I want to see his face.

Close your eyes, Leo.

Yeah, no.

And the lights are fine.

I see his face everywhere.

My imagination isn't strong enough.

Your eyes are shut.

They should be shut.

All right.

Around the room, I want to hear everyone's sexy voice.

I want to start with Mary.

Oh, guys.

Can you give us a line to go off of?

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Oh, dude.

Sound like that.

What the fuck is that?

She's a little sickly.

Sorry, sorry.

Sorry.

You deserve to be loved.

She's a sick smoker for the past 20 years.

Yeah, I want to smoke a cigarette before I do mine, but I'm a little raspy today, so maybe we'll talk about it.

Oh, let's hear it.

Yeah, let's hear it.

Okay.

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Loved.

Loved.

Leia, you're up.

I was like, I'm gone.

Leia literally disappeared.

Leia.

Okay, Leia.

It's so uncomfy.

It's uncomfy.

It's uncomfortable.

Okay, fine, fine, fine.

Leah, be horny.

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Let's put it up.

Leia.

Good.

Actually, Leah.

She's so embarrassed.

She's gone.

She deleted herself.

She's muted herself.

I did reach out to get Christopher Briney back on the show.

I hope that's okay.

Justin,

it's against my contract to do that.

I don't do impersonations or voices.

Nah, if Leia had to, you have to.

I can't.

I can't.

I literally can't.

Leia, do it as me.

Yeah, number one.

You don't have to do it to me.

Justin, you kind of always speak in a sexy way.

Yeah, I feel like your voice is just sexy.

But that's just me.

I can't do it if you're like asking me to do it.

Can you just say to Laura's, you deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined?

For the girls.

No.

Honestly, even what he just said, I just, what did you say?

I just do it.

And I,

that was even sexual, little Sierra.

Oh,

you deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Oh!

Oh, my God.

You're like,

sexy.

Wow.

You guys can't.

I think we're all call me sex big.

No, mine was not.

It was good.

Ready?

Yeah.

I guess.

Are you ready?

Yeah.

You got it.

Are you?

No, I'm not.

I have the giggles all of a sudden.

And I can't feel in character when I'm giggly.

Okay.

So it doesn't feel sexy.

It doesn't feel silly.

Giggling isn't sexy.

I hate it.

I hate it so much.

Please do it right now.

I'll go.

Yeah, Nick.

Yeah, Nick.

But do it.

Don't do it it silly.

You deserve to be loved.

That's your silly.

I don't know how to.

That just sounds so like, yeah, like

I said, low.

Like, guys, it's just for 10.

Oh, God.

Please.

Should I leave?

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Oh, my God.

I feel sick.

I never want to get rid of it.

That means it worked.

I like that.

You deserve.

Give me a chance.

She wants to go full Britney.

Yeah, whoa.

That was like, she was like, dude, to deserve to be carved and tharved.

Oh, God.

I feel like Victoria is going to have a good one.

No, I don't think so.

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

Oh, my God.

Anyway, so

wow.

Round of applause, everybody.

More erotic thrillers in the world.

Honestly, I'm excited for Weathering Heights.

Is the Sun Red Turn Pretty like still airing?

Leo?

Is that on?

It's done.

No, the finale.

The finale happened and it was beautiful.

It was perfect.

And thank God there's a movie coming out now.

Oh, my God.

There's a movie.

Is this season?

This was season two.

Three.

This was season three.

Three.

And now there's a movie.

Yes.

Because this was the third and final season.

We know who she chooses, right?

Spoiler alert.

Belly.

No, don't choose.

Or Christopher Briney.

Well, I thought Belly might choose herself for once.

No, Stomach chose Conrad.

No, stomach does.

Stomach

ended up going with Conrad.

Stomach is crazy.

It was perfect.

All of the Taylor Swift songs were perfect.

I loved it.

Dress.

The dress scene.

Oh my gosh,

I can't.

And then she's like, running.

I'm like, you're so fucking slow.

Pick up the pace.

And then she has this like one line on the train.

And I'm like, okay.

And she cooked with that line.

What we lined?

I can't even remember.

I was just like, and I never want to live this life without you, Conrad.

That's what I said in my vows today.

So unoriginal.

Very unoriginal.

I think she stole it from you, actually.

I choose you in every lifetime.

Yes, yes, yes, it was.

Mine to Nick was, I love every version of you, and I would find you in every lifetime.

Similar.

Okay, yeah.

So she did steal it from you.

And she was at your wedding because

she did steal that line.

And then they go back to cousins and it's where it all started, is where it finishes.

And it's beautiful.

What was, what, what was this?

I heard about like the other boys, like random pop-ups in Paris or something.

It's like fake.

He was like fake dude.

Oh,

yes.

So they had Jeremiah go to Paris and they filmed a couple fake scenes to psych out the fans.

I didn't know he got me.

That's so smart.

That is very smart.

I love that.

He is the hotter one.

Like they didn't actually film.

They just made it seem like for fans, like if they saw him filming in Paris, then it was like, oh.

Yeah.

Because obviously Conrad was there filming with Belly.

So they had to like switch it up and not let anyone know what the ending was.

So they brought Jeremiah too, which is smart.

Yeah, because people saw people saw them filming.

And so they posted like BTS of like getting into that.

Conrad.

They posted BTS of Conrad and of

Jeremiah there.

So they psyched people out.

I love it.

And people saluted and found out that there was an intimacy coordinator in Paris.

So we knew we were getting a sex scene.

They're going to be a little bit more fun.

They're going a full mile.

I have chills all over my body.

There's a sex scene?

Yeah.

Natalie's only watching the finale.

Was there nudity or was it like part nude?

What'd you see?

You saw her back.

Perfect.

Yes.

But can we talk about the one hand taking off the bra?

I was like, okay, Conrad Fisher.

The one hand taking off the bra, and then also in the car when they were making out, when he like puts his hand against the window to protect her head from hitting it.

Wait, wait.

Is that like an action?

Like, are you guys excited about the one hand taking off the bra?

It's just Conrad Fisher.

Doesn't like every guy do that?

No.

Have you ever had a guy be bad at taking off a bra?

No.

Is that something that y'all like go to training camp for?

They're like, I definitely think it's, I don't know.

I don't know what the boys are doing

and

put it on a pillow.

And

ladies, have you ever had a bra that clasps in the front and then had a guy just freak out trying to figure it out in the back?

Yes.

No.

No, but that's so funny.

Yeah.

It's the one that's like a three finger, one hand, you just kind of

right.

And they zoomed in a little bit.

Or if you're in a sports bird.

So I think they wanted us to be like, oh, Connor, wow.

See, I've never had like bra issues having sex because

Mary, are you good at the bra snap?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know how bras work.

Okay, here's a practice.

Yeah.

The thing with gaming was it's like unlinked.

Mary's like, that you wonder how I learned to do that.

Wait, wait.

Speaking of stomach, I saw like a viral clip of like people were clowning her for knowing how to speak fluent French after being there for like one day, right?

Well, yeah, because a lot, there's a lot of crossover between people who are watching Emily in Paris and also people who are watching The Summer I Turned Pretty.

And the fact that Emily's been in Paris for years and still can't say anything.

And then you have Belly, who's been there for like maybe less than a year and she's just speaking fluent French.

Her birthday party was just like full of people, like more friends than I've made in my 30 years of life.

It was iconic.

Emily is so basic.

She's just like not.

yeah, she's not conforming to the culture.

Emily is realistic, belly is aspirational.

Right.

Oh, true.

So American of her.

Very American of her.

So entitled.

Okay.

Speaking of aspirational, did you guys see that Britney Bateman did a cameo where she sings Addison Ray's Diet Pepsi?

I did see it.

Guys, can we?

How much does Brittany Bateman charge for cameos?

Probably not enough for that.

I agree with that, but it's that's public knowledge.

We should be able to look that up.

$49.

$49.

$49

masterpiece?

Wow.

You could book a business video for $2.99, though.

I know what I'm getting married for her birthday.

Sorry, is she driving while Philip?

No, literally.

It's concerning.

Guys, there was someone who posted a video.

Like, it was just a fan that was in Salt Lake City and caught Jared Osman and Brittany riding a bird together, like sharing it.

They were like in full on the show.

I saw that.

I saw that.

I saw that.

Giant jacket.

It's like hopping off of it.

She's in the front or the back.

She was in the front.

And he was like one foot on

the corner.

Yeah, he was one foot on, and people were saying this is real journalism.

Yeah, it was real journalism.

You know,

a couple riding a scooter is like the unofficial LA hookup vibe.

How would you know that?

How many scooters did you ride?

How would you know?

How many lime scooters did you have?

You heard me.

Yeah, how many lime scooters have you ridden?

I lived in Venice for a period of time.

Tell us.

I want to know.

Oh, my goodness.

I only rode on it once.

Then she got some.

Oh.

Well, maybe we need to switch to a queen size bed.

I don't know.

Did you hear about Matthew McConaughey revealing that that is the secret to his 13-year marriage with his wife, Camilla?

I respect it.

Yeah.

Listen, we were just in Vegas for that fight with Netflix and they put us, and they were like, okay, so it's a room with two queen beds.

And at first I was like.

Pooh, queen beds.

Like, really?

That's all you have?

You don't have a king?

Like, a king feels sexy, you know?

Like, we were like, we're married.

Yeah.

don't you know who we are we're married we sleep together

you guys sleep in like separate beds no nick literally he's like you want the left or right

i love that yeah but we ended up sleeping in one together and honestly you are you're so you're so much closer yeah i like that actually

i mean i like it i don't think it's realistic but yeah i could never i do like the air so she could never no i like the opposite same like anytime we've gone on an airbnb like um for like a friend's birthday or whatever and we get the the queen but i'm just like,

actually, you know what?

Hold, stop the press.

This, this reminded me, I had a dream about Brawen last night.

What

love that tell more what happened.

It was like, I don't really,

I'm literally remembering it in the moment, but I was at this party and it was like a party full of a bunch of people from my life.

There were a couple people from high school there.

I ran into Brawen was bartending.

Oh,

interesting.

Allah's that working.

And I feel like there was someone who I knew who was talking shit about Bronwyn.

And I was like, I was defending our girl.

That was it.

I don't know.

But she was.

Was I there or no?

Yes, she was.

For sure.

Everyone who is.

I think I remember.

Everyone from my life.

Murray Wise wasn't there.

Of course you were there, sweetheart.

Bronwyn, all the exes from high school.

Was Andy Cohen there?

No.

Not that I remember.

Wow.

Because Andy Cohen's saying that he never wants to see Jen Shaw again.

He did say that.

That's definitely giving she's not coming back for other people like Justin, who keeps telling himself that she's going to come back this year.

I mean, it's confirmed that I had a dream.

It was confirmed.

So

it keeps happening.

I couldn't be happier about it, to be honest.

I don't think that she needs to have a platform.

I agree.

I hope she heals.

I hope she's rehabilitated.

I hope that she goes into an honest line of work.

Did you see what her team posted from her Instagram?

No, I have not.

She's amazing.

What is it?

Her team said, from management, a respectful conversation has already been had with Bravo behind the scenes, and there are no no hard feelings.

Getting ahead of the statement.

AK, she's not coming back to Bravo.

Yeah.

Huge news for her, Sierra and I.

Yes.

Yeah.

Keep Salt Lake City fun again.

Yes.

Keep it safe.

All right.

Well, it's time to get into a little housewives of OC.

But before we do, just a friendly reminder: we do have an amazing, amazing week lined up for you.

Tomorrow, for very special going deeper, Teresa Judice joins the show.

This is an explosive episode.

Obviously, we have

so many many questions about Teresa.

One of the OGs of just housewives, period.

Obviously, a lot of burning questions about her relationship with Bravo.

Will she come back?

Will she not?

Obviously, everything with her brother, her family,

everything.

Teresa spills all the tea.

That is tomorrow.

Yeah.

She is on special forces with her daughter, Gia.

Yeah.

And so obviously we talk about that as well.

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And Madison Pettis, one of the stars of the movie, is with us for Thursday's Reality Recap.

Along with Chris Clemens, return to the show, the hilarious Chris Clemens, Clemens, who is a big fan and watching Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

He joins us as well, along with Alexia Nepola from the Real Housewives of Miami.

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Now, if you missed the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County, here is your rapid recap.

Shannon is still not sure if she can forgive Tamra, but down to hang in group settings, where they're getting paid.

Heather thinks her daddy issues are the reason she's friends with Tamra.

Gretchen goes to the Pink Pony Club itself, the Abbey, which is a crazy place to go if you have a history of being roofied.

Emily's only storyline is still her son.

The Bev Hills girls have a bougie sleepover.

The Temecula girls bust out the Dubrow joint and wear synchronized swimming hats with titty t-shirts.

Gina gets stoned and then tells Shannon she's worried about her drinking, which is maybe not the best thing to say if you're high as fuck.

Gretchen reveals Slade has an audio recording of Tamara trying to make a pop song and also having sex.

Emily is like, oh MG, why is Slade so obsessed with Tamra?

Gretchen also says she pays for everything in her relationship with Slade and the ladies are curious about it to say the least.

Shannon reacts to her group trip limit with Tamra at breakfast and speaking of breakfast, Emily wants her eggs over hard.

Tamara brings up Shannon's dad's drinking problems on camera.

Shannon snaps.

Tamara calls Shannon an annoying bitch and that's about it.

Question for the household.

When a girly is the breadwinner in a relationship, why do we shame her for it?

Like, why do the other lady shame her?

I don't think it's about Gretchen being the breadwinner.

I think

it's about slave.

It's not deeper than that.

I think, and Heather said this in her ITM.

She's like, why?

Is he not on the mortgage?

Like, why do we not want his name on anything?

Why are you not legally married, but you had a ceremony and you call each other husband and wife?

Like, these are valid questions.

From season one, and then when he came back season three or four with Gretchen, he just, he's never had a job.

He's always managed a housewife that's on the show.

But it's like, even his mom is on an episode being like, what, like, you can't provide.

Why would you propose to her?

That's crazy.

Yeah.

So I'm like, he doesn't, we've never been clear with what Slade actually does.

And this whole time that Gretchen was on the show, he was literally like setting up meetings and doing things for her.

But even his mom was criticizing him not having a job.

So I think it's fair, but I feel like they're just also bringing up an old storyline.

So anytime Gretchen posts like a brand deal, Slade like got that for her.

I don't know if Slade got it for her.

Like that's what I'm saying.

I don't know.

I would assume that Gretchen has a legitimate team at this point.

Right.

He like, you know, like in the beginning.

Maybe he's just her assistant.

He like screens the emails.

Yeah.

But that's kind of like what their point was was that it's like he's not.

He should be contributing if he lives there.

Yeah.

Like did y'all see Nick's comment on Alexis?

I got bullied into being messy online.

Alexis, y'all, y'all know Alexis Waters from Nick's season.

Yeah.

Shark girl.

I've met her.

We've DM'd.

She's lovely.

We have like on it.

It's besties between the two of us.

But she posted like a clip of last night of her at a row ceremony being like, Move, bitches, when Nick called her name.

And then she put in the comments, Do You Miss Me?

at Nick.

And Nick responded with no.

Iconic, honestly.

That's really good.

And Alexis responded with just the emoji that's like this.

Jaw dropped.

it's great that's

that

anyways i think that that should have been emily's response when that man asked to pick her up at the abbey

they kept playing that clip over and over again they wanted us to see that

but i also have to call out emily because emily's coming for katie this season about like talking to bloggers being a fan right before they walked into the abbey or something she's she goes well gretchen performed tonight and gretchen did a pussycat dolls performance in like season four or five i'm like emily long before emily was on the show so you mean to tell me you went back and watched the entire show and you're not a fan oh clock it's all it that's all

which of the uh oc housewives are are with men who have real jobs heather gina shane has a real job is doesn't he yeah shane he's a lawyer right uh gina real estate katie eddie has a real job doesn't he or no yeah i think eddie does yeah

i don't know what eddie does now because they close down the gym they own a CBD.

Oh, the yummy gummies.

They're really good.

Travis is doing the real estate with Gina, right?

I feel like they all have.

I feel like they all do.

Ryan, except Slade.

Oh,

well.

He's bringing in the money.

He has a hustle.

Slade, Ryan, and then what was last season?

Shannon's exhansen.

John Jansen.

Did he have a real job?

Suing housewives for facelifts.

Isn't it?

Wait, isn't Slade just doing what Jodi with Lisa from Miami is doing?

Where he's just always there for all the business transactions.

But it sounds like Jodi had like a real thing going, and if not, still does outside of managing Lisa.

But I'm like, I don't know.

I feel like if some people come into that role wanting to help out their partner, that's one thing.

What's Jodi short for?

I didn't know that Jodi was a gender neutral name.

Jodithan.

Yeah, I know so I knew so many Jodi's growing up.

It's a southern thing.

It's just Jodi.

I don't think that's short for anything.

No.

Just Jodi.

Jodemiah.

Jodimiah.

Jodiah.

Jodira.

Joseph.

Just Joseph.

Judith.

Judith.

Oh, Judith.

Judith can be a man's name.

Judith.

Anything can be a man's name.

Judah, Judah.

It was honestly like overall, I think it was a little bit of a boring episode of OC.

Yeah.

I did love Gretchen playing Pillow Fight, though.

I liked their little outfits.

Well, and also, I think it also is just like a setup for what's happening because it's like there's no world in which Tamra and Gretchen are going to get along.

Yeah, how are we not talking about the fact that Gretchen slipped in the, she cheated on her husband while trying to record a song and then flipped it on Emily and Oh, yeah.

Also, in the state of California, I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

What happened?

Each state has different laws about being recorded without your recording.

No, she was recording a song.

She was like in the studio.

Like, hey, everyone, like, she was recording a song.

Yeah, but if you're...

I think it was definitely, she knew she was being recorded if she was in a studio.

When she was having sex?

Oh.

Well, they said they forgot, but then it was unclear whether it was one recording or two recordings.

So I guess that could also change the context.

And the SoundCloud recording of Tamra is circulating around right now on the internet.

See, that doesn't seem right.

That does not seem awful.

Soundcloud?

It doesn't include.

Yeah, it's on SoundCloud, but it doesn't include the

post.

Yeah.

Tamara on SoundCloud.

Wait, so there's no song.

It's just Tamra panting?

No, no, it's Tamra's song, but they don't, the SoundCloud clip doesn't have whatever Slade said was at the end of it.

So we don't hear that part.

So even then Slade could literally be making this up because he hates Tamara.

Why is Slade so obsessed with Tamra?

Slade is mad that she keeps bringing Joe around, so he's trying to get her back.

No, there's like he, they've had a long, she's called him a deadbeat dad.

They have a long running feud, but like there is an episode

in a season past where like Slade did an entire comedy show based around Vicki and Tamara and called Tamra the Michelin Man, pulled up a photo of her in a bikini.

Like he's he, they've really, yeah, like it's very dark and gross.

They're like history and

Gretchen also said that Slade lost money and like business deals because of Tamara.

Like I hate to use this word, but it's giving vile.

But even then Teddy got on her podcast and was saying that there's proof that Tamer had nothing to do with Slade not losing money because we don't even know what Slade does.

How is he losing money?

Right.

Yeah.

What's your job?

Losing Gretchen's money.

Yeah.

And then Gretchen the next morning being like, guys, I didn't say that.

I don't, don't bring it up.

Like, yeah.

Like, and you know that you said that on camera and you're trying to get the other girls to act like you didn't say it when you know it's going to come out anyways.

And that's why I'm saying I just feel like.

These two people, no matter how many times they're going to sit down and have a talk or like a come to Jesus moment, they will always be at each other's throats ready to throw something because it's like a never-ending thing.

The grutchin was crazy that morning after when they were in the Whole Foods like massage chair thing.

And then she just happened to be like, you guys are being mean.

Yeah.

You're picking on me.

Like you, and she, Emily's like, I didn't force you to say anything.

Yeah.

What's uh, what's your favorite massage position?

Um, tabling

face down on a table.

I love a chair.

Really?

Like a straddle?

Yeah, but chair is giving like public.

It's giving mall.

Yeah, it gets airblown on display.

Do not care.

Yeah.

Do not care.

Airborne.

Do you want to lay down?

I will.

But you just plop right in that chair.

And it's so, like, it's aeronomic or whatever.

Ergonomic.

Ergonomic.

You have your shirt on.

I mean, like, I let them go underneath if they want to.

Oh my gosh.

As long as they ask nicely.

You're never traveling alone.

Never traveling alone.

I don't even care.

I do not care.

When's the last time you actually did a chair massage, Nick?

Last time.

In the airport and Vancouver.

Every time we left Vancouver, he was like.

We got to get there in time for me to get a chair massage.

And you're not afraid of the germs?

Because you don't like theme parts.

I don't care.

I don't care if it's a man, it's a woman.

I don't care.

Link is not a germaphobe.

He just closes his eyes.

When you put your face in that thing, you're not thinking about who else's face has been in there.

They cleanse it.

I don't know.

Fuck.

It's called soap.

Now we will line it with like a toilet seat cover.

Yeah.

I think my saran wrap from home.

Oh, it's the best.

I like to be on my back, and then when they do the clavicles, that's my fave.

That's nice.

And then like under the

under the neck.

Yeah, I think they need to focus more on your feet and hands.

I agree.

I would like them to focus more on my chest.

What is going on with you today?

My pectoral muscles are often tight.

I'm not like rum my titties.

I wish they'd work on my dick more.

Like, that's crazy to say.

I will say the looks for Raw Housewives of Miami Reunion came out, and they'd make anyone's dick hard.

Everyone looked so good.

Yeah.

Speaking of Miami, I watched the watch what happens live uh version uh episode with gretchen and lisa did you and marsa because well for some reason it was like it was displayed as an episode of oc if you go to like peacock and you go to all the episodes in oc it's like listed and i was like okay well maybe maybe there's like an easter egg in there i should watch it First of all, it was just absolute bananas, the game they played.

I don't watch a lot of Watch What Happens Live.

I know they play a lot of games, but they basically were like, guess the age of these housewives.

And it was essentially a game just like basically outing every housewife's age, which I thought was bananas.

I don't love that.

Also, it's like people are gonna didn't they all get it wrong, too.

They got it wrong, and they kept giving Larsa points, even though she got them wrong too.

But it was like, it was, it was roughly like someone like Ashley Darby, who I knew was like in her late 30s, and they were like 45.

And I'm like, that's come on, you know, it's not so much about getting the ones that are older, younger, it's the ones that are younger and guessing them older.

Well, it's all because of obviously the episode with Adriana and turning 59, right?

And the whole like the cake thing it well first of all adriana she looks fire she looks so good

lisa barlow's 46.

don't she hate her have we got we haven't gotten a teaser or anything from reunion we just got reunion looks just reunion looks but they look hot yeah they all look really hot girdie's hot kiki's hot wait they all look great Lisa's the fact that Julia might be behind the birthday cake with the age no it was kiki it was kiki it wasn't confirmed was it yeah kiki was like it's me i did it i thought it would be funny.

She was trying to like do like a little joke and it didn't land.

Well, if you missed the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap.

It's Art Basil Week, which is the Miami Super Bowl of art, the art in question, Kiki's face card.

Also, Larsa is moving to a $5.7 million house with a giant gummy bear in the front.

She also thinks Todd is going to bamboozle Alexia.

Julia's daughters aren't coming to Christmas.

Martina is grumpy, very, very grumpy.

Lisa wants Jodi to propose because she doesn't like the word girlfriend.

Jody wants Lisa to go to therapy before he does that.

Adriana Adriana is still mad about her birthday cake and wants to find out who wrote 59 on it.

It was Kiki.

She wasn't trying to be mean.

Stephanie thinks Marisol hates her, and she might be right, but also she might be wrong.

One thing we do know, there is nothing tacky about Stephanie Sojay.

Julia feels like Adriana is pushing her away and no fun anymore.

Adriana then decides to tell everyone out of nowhere that she's not racist.

Callback to Wretched Ratchet Gate.

Kiki is like, I literally am not dealing with this right now and dips.

Adriana is mad at Julia for defending Kiki over her.

Who knows where we'll go from here?

The hero of the episode was a Carol.

What was her name?

adriana's fan who was like ratchets for everybody the designer oh yeah she was saying wretched though wretched yeah whatever she was the hero of the episode i feel like yeah everyone's confused on that nobody knows the difference i feel like everyone's confused like watching this show it's like every time it comes out of their mouth i'm like i still don't know if she knows that there's two different words slash but what are people hearing it feels very confusing yeah again with that accent and she says a lot of words wrong that i'm just kind of like for this to be the thing we're jumping down adriana's throat it's hard yeah if i were kiki Kiki, though, I would have also laughed.

Yeah, because it's like we're bringing this up again.

Was it Lisa talking to Stephanie about the plane again?

Uh, Marisol.

Marisol's talking to Stephanie.

Turns out, Marisol's big reason why she wants to go on the plane is to poop on it.

Yeah, she wants to break the rules.

I just like private plane or not, like that, definitely not a goal of mine.

Oh, we, I think you missed in the after-show.

Stephanie tells us that she, her, uh, her glam team, she makes them not eat for two days before they go on the plane so that they don't shit off the plane.

Oh my gosh.

Starvation.

She makes them not eat.

I feel like she says like, don't bump.

I'm pretty sure that's not true, but I do appreciate

that's what she says.

But was that like one of the rules that you couldn't?

You can't poop on the plane because

the toilet paper, yeah, she's like, some people know how to wipe and some people use the entire roll and that clogs up the toilet and that's expensive to fix.

Imagine being midair and having a plumbing issue.

Oh my gosh.

Can we not?

Well, up up next, Chelsea Fry joins the show.

She's also a big fan of the Salt Lake City gals of Bravo.

Lots to talk about with Chelsea, including her appearance in the new hit show, The Paper.

That is up next.

And following Chelsea, we have Mark Estes.

You know him as the one of the Montana boys and former lover of Kristen Cavalier.

That was aggressive.

Anyways, Chelsea's next.

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chelsea welcome to the show thank you for having me we're so excited to have you absolutely loving you on the paper uh it's become mine and now's like new kind of like going to bed show it's like me getting the bed and reading the leaf on the paper it's so fun the office was a show that we binged in bed we did like uh rest of development we did uh curb your enthusiasm science film.

You know, we did all those.

And now we're on the paper and it's been so much fun.

What was it like shooting this?

It was a dream.

I mean, I'm this, I grew up watching The Office like literally probably from like the end of my high school years on.

I mean, it was the show that I like binged on Sundays in my dorm room, hung over.

with all my friends.

Like, it's just been like in my life for forever.

So when I found out I was auditioning for it, like I kind of knew it was in the world of the office.

I didn't totally, oh, here comes my dog.

Sorry.

Jerry, come on in.

We have a big dog.

Jerry Lee, you want to come in?

Jerry Lee.

Jerry.

This is Jerry Lee.

Oh,

Baba.

Hi.

I knew he was going to get back from his hike just in time.

Look at him.

There he is.

We got Jeff and Steve here.

Jeff and Steve?

Yeah, that's Jeff.

That's Steve.

on the ground.

Jeff, Steve, and Jerry feel like they could get into a lot of trouble together.

They really could.

They're just thickest thieves.

Anyway, yeah, so I found out it was like when I was auditioning for it, it was kind of like it's in the world of the office.

We didn't totally know what it was.

I'm glad I did it because once I knew it was the scariest thing ever.

But then, you know, just realizing how amazing everybody from the original is and, you know, just everybody they got was so incredible.

But in particular greg daniels and michael kolemen just made it feel so

like it's it's okay you're you're allowed to be here we're making our own thing did you have a chance to talk with any of the actors from the original office uh obviously we know um oscar is in it you know he's the kind of the one thread between the office and the paper uh but just wondering Yeah, if you had a chance to like just, you know, pick any brains for the people who did the office, or is that something you just kind of wanted to keep separate and kind of have the paper be its own thing two things definitely one kind of keep it separate and be like we're not trying to do what they did it's too perfect and iconic and i i would never want to you know be compared to it like you know as like a one-to-one

but the first day it i think it was like a hair and makeup test and it was Sabrina, Donald and I in the hair and makeup trailer and we were just like gabbing and like

I had like, you know, like eye patches on, whatever, that we're figuring out our looks.

And the trailer door opens, and John Krasinski and Steve Krell walk in.

And we're all just like

stops.

Like, it was just so, it was like 5 a.m.

I was like, what?

No, please don't do this.

It was like literally like nightmare.

I just look insane.

And they were shooting a commercial on the lot, and they've both worked with Donald and adore him and just came in and surprised us and were

so sweet.

It was insane, like, literally, couldn't have been nicer.

And,

you know, they, they, we told them, we were like, we're so nervous, like, we just don't want to be compared to what you did.

And

they both were just saying, like, they went through the exact same thing with the office, it being, you know, a reboot of the UK office and how you kind of just have to let it be your own thing.

And then John kept like asking me, he's like, what do you put in your desk?

Like, you have to like put like fun things like in your desk.

I, and I like, hadn't even thought about that yet.

And I was like, oh, that's a good idea.

And you do.

You get to like put so many fun little things in there that you can like keep.

What did you put in yours?

I put food, which then I did get in trouble for because Universal has like a raccoon problem,

which I didn't know about.

How did you not know that already, Chelsea?

I know, I know.

And I apologize.

And literally they like, I remember like, I was so excited to like put like all like my favorite snacks like I like stole from Crafty and like put them in there because you don't that is like the one kind of cool thing about the show is like you don't, you kind of just are working at a desk all day.

Like you don't leave a lot because you're in the background of so many scenes.

So I like filled it up with like all my favorite snacks.

And then like I remember Monday morning, they were like, no more food on set.

There's raccoons.

I was like, that wasn't me.

Who did

it?

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

And you have to have internet on your computer.

That is something they told me to make sure I had.

And I did.

And it was crucial.

Oh, so like while people are doing scenes, you're out there just like doom scrolling.

Yeah.

I'm just like, I'm on Etsy.

I'm on Revolve.

You know, I'm just like, well, because he told me that Jenna Fisher used to answer fan mail.

Like she would like literally be on her computer, like on MySpace, answering fan mail.

And we obviously.

didn't have fans.

So I was like, I'm not going to go look for, look for our non-existent fans.

But no, it was, you can kind of just get stuff done while you're on there, there, which is kind of fun.

How did you find out the news that you were renewed for a second season before the first even came out?

I woke up late.

I think we had some press thing the night before.

And I remember I woke up to a bunch.

It was, you know what?

It was actually the night the embargo was lifting on reviews.

You kind of like know when those are coming out.

And I think we were all really nervous.

And,

you know, again, like so proud of the show, just scared of the comparisons to what came before.

And I remember Dodal and I were like texting like late that night before being like, you know, whatever happens, I've had so much fun.

Like we've had a great time

and we're so proud of what we did.

And then I woke up to a bunch of congratulations and I was like, what happened?

And we're renewed.

So that's how I found out.

How has the response been?

And now that the show is out and people are really enjoying it?

Is it, do you, or do you feel like it's people are kind of gradually getting into it more?

It's been overwhelming.

It's been really so great.

And I think it's just, you know, we shot it like over a year ago.

So it's cool to kind of like revisit it and see what people are responding to and things like I don't even remember.

And

yeah, it's, it's been really, really cool.

You guys are like a reality TV couple who like found love on TV and had to hide their relationship for an entire year before they could tell people that they were in love.

Yeah, kind of, a little bit.

Well, yeah, and that was the other thing.

It's like very, you know, not wanting people to know anything.

Like even like Oscar, we would, he would be on set and it was kind of hidden for like six months and then it got leaked.

But I remember like he would like walk out and Universal Trams would like pass our lot and I would just like kind of like get in front of him.

He was, you know, you just didn't want people like

spoiling anything.

But

yeah, it's been, it's been so, so fun for people to kind of meet all these characters.

Is it true that you're like obsessed with Pilates?

I mean, it is kind of true.

I do love Pilates.

Well, nice girlies here.

Well, and I do have to just like talk to you about something because have you ever been, and you're probably the Victoria in this story, so I'm going to tread lightly.

I'm Victoria.

Okay.

This is my best friend, Victoria.

She's an everydayer.

Yes.

Sure.

Okay.

You know the type.

So she was like, come to Pilates with me.

Like, it's so fun.

It'll be so chic.

We'll get like a coffee after.

It'll be so cute.

So I went with her, right?

I did.

We got obviously reformers next to each other.

Of course.

Of course, as you do.

And we're going, we're going.

And I'm like, feeling kind of good.

You know, I'm like, okay, I feel like I'm, you know, kind of easy.

And then we really get into it.

And the instructor's like, you know, she's like, keep dipping, keep dipping, and lower, lower, lower.

And I'm like, I can't get any lower than this.

And I look to Victoria and she's like, what's wrong?

And she's like, not even breathing heavy, like just absolutely nightmares.

Right.

Nightmare.

Okay.

So I will never be returning to this Pilates studio with her because it was like, I don't need that.

No.

Well, here's what, here's what I'll tell you.

Okay.

I wouldn't, I would never do Pilates with somebody else.

You cannot, you cannot do that.

Yeah.

You can't do that.

That's like rule one of Pilates.

I have had

true.

It's so true.

No, I'm not sure.

I'm sure you're not Pilates.

Yeah.

My Pilates instructor, Caroline Satelli, she's amazing in LA.

We met.

Somebody like hooked me up with her at the beginning of the pandemic.

They were like, oh, she's doing online classes.

It has now been five years, what since 2020.

We do Pilates together, like at least a few, I probably do it like two to three times a week when I'm being good.

I, yeah, like the past couple of weeks, I've been like, What?

She's like, Where did you go?

I was like, I will be back soon.

But we have now done Pilates together like two to three times a week.

And you get so close.

Like, I don't know if like personal trainer, I've never had done that before.

Like, you get so close with them.

Like, you talk about everything.

We have never met in person.

Like, I'm not kidding.

I've been with her through her marriage, her now, they have a baby.

Like, we have, like, I have moved.

So much has happened in our lives, and we have never met in person.

That's kind of insane.

And we like joke.

We're like, you're my best friend, but like, if I ever saw you in person, I think I'd scream.

Like,

I would turn around and walk together.

Would you even start this?

We were like supposed to meet once and we like canceled it.

We like got two in her ribs.

It's like the weirdest.

It's like crazy.

You're like, what if you're not real?

And she told me the other day, she's like, how tall are you?

And I was like, I'm like, I'm tall.

I'm like 5'8.

And she's like, I'm 5'4.

I was like, that is what you're like.

I thought of you as like my same height.

Like, I'm gonna meet you and be towering.

It's just, I'm just.

You guys are talking as if like you couldn't possibly be friends in the real world.

We also used to live two blocks from each other up until like two years ago.

Literally lived a few blocks from each other.

You find out she's just AI.

That's what I'm scared of.

She knows all my secrets.

So when you're not being an actor and honing on your craft, a rumor on the street is you watch little housewives.

I do watch little housewives.

What's your favorite?

So, I am really like only, and let me just say this, by the way,

because

I'm not like the biggest reality TV person.

When I like, you know, I've just, this is like my first kind of like press tour, whatever.

When my friends found out I was going on the biophiles,

brains, they were like, you made it.

You made it.

Like,

I have it.

So let me just say, like, this is huge for, this is huge club for me with all my friends.

Shout out friends.

Shout out my friends.

I meant to say that earlier.

But anyway, yes, I really, I'm only really watching Salt Lake City, which in my opinion is, I mean,

it's enough.

It's enough.

It's more than enough.

Yeah.

For me, like some of the other franchise, it's labor.

And this is a labor of love for salt lake city for me if okay if you were gonna if i was gonna introduce one other one into my into my canon what which one would you suggest i would probably say oc

okay oh atlanta is also really good though i think i watched like the first season of atlanta and then a long long time ago watched dubai it's only two seasons oh dubai that sounds good i'm like orange county you got a lot a lot to watch and it's pretty insane because it goes back so far um i'd also also say if you like Salt Lake City, I don't know, early Miami is fun or

ultimate girls trip and then decide who you like from those seasons.

That's the best way to do it.

Yeah, do the ultimate, I'm literally writing this down: ultimate girls trip,

and then pick your favorite housewife and watch their season.

Yes, okay, amazing.

Amazing, that's genius, Justin.

Yeah, I'm finishing up season five right now because I need to catch up to season six of Salt Lake.

And I just watched Meredith's Bumitzva, which was a very special day for Mary banging on the glass was like maybe my favorite thing I've ever seen.

Do you feel like Brittany Bateman deserves a snowflake?

I'm not sure yet.

Okay.

I'm not sure.

I'm liking the energy she's bringing.

Does she get one in season six?

I don't know.

No.

Still friend of.

Maybe it's just like them, the producers being evil geniuses because Brittany does seem like the type, if you really keep her motivated, she'll keep giving.

She will keep giving.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She might get lazy if you give her a snowflake.

Sure.

I'm interested to see if, like, I'm, like, I almost don't want you to give it it away.

Like, what's up with her and Jared Osmond?

I don't, like, I'm kind of like trying to stay where I'm at so I can then.

Honestly, I think it's still up for debate.

They were just seen on a lime scooter together.

So no.

To be on a lime scooter together.

That's the ultimate DuMois.

If I'm ever on a lime scooter on DuPont,

like literally, that's.

Turn my house down, please.

Truly.

Chelsea Fry seen on Lime Scooter with

Michael Blake.

Jared Osmond.

With Jerry Lean.

Jared Osman is crazy.

Wow.

Have you guys ever ridden a lime scooter together?

Did we?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

We just talked about this.

Nick was like, if you, what'd you say?

You definitely were hooking up this.

If you're in Venice and you see a guy and a girl

on a scooter, it's...

It's probably a first date and they're definitely hooking up.

That is so true.

It's a lot of trust.

I can confirm that living in Venice.

A lot of sexual attention on those lime scooters.

Which housewife do you feel like from Salt Lake City would do best in the paper universe?

My God.

Honestly, Brittany.

You know, I feel like I can see a face-off between Mary and Esmeralda in a really

exciting way.

That's so good.

That's so good.

Like Mary, yeah, Mary would absolutely just like read Esmeralda and like say something really off-putting about like her fashion or something.

Yes.

Yes.

I see them.

Like I see their fat.

Like, yeah, that, those two going head-to-head seems very, very fun for me.

Wow, that's a fun idea.

Isn't it?

We got to pitch that.

That's a second season to do in the room.

Please.

Get Mary in there immediately.

Well, yeah, that's funny because Isles Morales' character was based off of like someone who was what, naked in her.

What was she allegedly on?

She was like, oh, Mary at first sight.

Married at First Sight.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Or Farmer Wants a Wife.

No, I think Married at First Sight.

Yeah.

One of the one of those shows.

Yeah.

I do want to see some more crossover.

Well, because you're the paper, you're a guys around Peacock.

Maybe we will get some housewives Bravo crossover.

You would think, wouldn't that be the dream?

Like, it'd be kind of great if all of a sudden you guys were at work and all of a sudden

you're on a lunch break and like.

They're filming Royal Housewives or something?

Yes.

They're filming it across the street.

Yes.

Don't eat.

And Esmeralda's like, oh my God, this is my moment.

And she like,

she's like, I'm one of you guys.

It makes sense with her.

Cause like that's it.

Where it's writing itself, people.

And you're welcome.

You get on board.

Do we have a game, Mary?

We do.

We do have a little game.

What's the game?

Okay.

Okay.

Welcome to the game of all games.

It's called Not Safe for Work.

And it's some like rapid-fire, you know, office-related questions.

So we're going to ask you, Chelsea, are you ready?

Yeah.

Okay.

Great.

What is your biggest ick for a coworker?

Biggest ick for a coworker.

Somebody loud.

Loud.

We used to get so mad.

Alex Edelman, like, literally had this.

I don't even know what it's called.

He, he just, like, thought it was funny to have like the loudest toys ever on his desk.

And he would play, like, it would be like a marble that would like clink, like, clink, clink, clink, clink.

And like, once you put it in, it would go for like 10 minutes.

And it was like, we were all like, oh, that's funny at first, Alex.

And then we were like, if you do that again,

I'll kill you.

yeah be quiet what is the most annoying thing you've ever had a co-worker do I had okay so I um

like worked at a startup like in New York a million years ago where I like ran a front desk at like this work place it was like we like director of first impressions yeah yeah exactly and a worst one ever so I they I remember my boss came in and she was like hi Chelsea I was like morning and we had to I had to get up like 5 a.m.

and like set up the space whatever she goes and sits like, I'm not kidding, five feet away from me and slacks me and is like, hey, Chelsea, smiley face.

Um, so you've mainly been doing a really good job, but we'd appreciate it if you could stop wearing your pajamas to work.

Like, we'd like for like people to like look a little like nicer when like they, you know, you are the front of house.

And I was like, is she kidding?

And then I looked, I remember like literally looking down being like,

honestly, she has a fair point.

Like, I couldn't, I like literally was in full sweatpants but the fact that she said hi couldn't tell you

went to sleep right to message well that's what i mean i'm like that was the that's why it was so annoying it was like just say it to me say say it to my face like you can see her you can see her writing to you yeah

that would be a great paper scene that would be yeah that's a scene which email sign-off feels the most passive aggressive to you best

I was just about to say, I don't like best.

Yeah.

I feel like warm regard.

Warm regard, I would, oh, I hate it warm regard what anything abbreviated warm yes it's it's getting cold what do you guys sign off with yeah like i thought best was i do yeah oh my god i use best all the time oh my gosh i'm a i'm a thank you

mine is this even when i'm on a laptop it's this was sent from an iphone sorry for my typos

it's actually genius that i'm on now i like that I feel like I'm too like, I'm like, XO, X, O, X, O, love you so much.

Like, I like get like so stressed.

You have the best day day ever think I like love them and it's like the way too it's just like weird I definitely send way too many exclamation points

like no worries if not

same

I once send an email with per your request and the person I emailed got really mad at me I could tell via email I could tell the energy well per your request is very like that's direct I was being a bitch it's I don't want to do this but because you asked here

oh I get it it was was per your request.

Just don't get a lot of per your request.

Like, I'm like, what?

Yeah, I'm like, yeah, per your request.

Emailing you for fun.

To say that I had to write my emails today.

Would you rather deal with the loud chewer or the oversharer in the cubicle next to you?

Overshare.

That's, you know.

Overshare is fun.

Like, give me all the tea in your life.

That's true.

There's stuff to go home with.

We would get like so bored on not, I mean, we were, we were working, but it was like, there's so much downtime because you're always just like shooting different scenes.

And my favorite days were when like Oscar would just come over to my desk and he, like, we would like pretend to be like working in the back of a scene and we would just like gossip for hours.

Oh my God, that's so funny.

If your character had to write an opinion column, what would it be about?

I feel like a really durable shoe.

I feel like she'd be like very excited about like

a shoe that, you know, is good for hiking, good for day-to-day, doesn't get worn down.

I feel like she likes very practical fashion fashion

waterproof shoo good for hikes good for city slickers yeah

which buzzword or corporate jargon phrase instantly makes you cringe i've been hearing okay i don't even know what this means but have you been hearing about like the verticals or whatever

I sound like such an idiot.

No, what is it?

I don't know.

Keep going.

Am I making this up?

Don't make me keep going.

No, like your category.

I come from corporate America.

What's the verticals?

Like your segment, like your team, like your like vertical integration or something.

Uh

what is it talking about?

Is it like there's so many ty different types of integration, you guys.

Well, isn't that like you're you're like like marketing would what be one vertical and and right?

Or am I wrong?

Sure.

I I'm telling you, I don't know, but I like I hear vertical integration and my eyes

a business strategy where a company gains control over multiple stages of its production and distribution process rather than relying on external suppliers and buyers.

A genius.

Yeah.

Go look.

I should be a CEO.

All I know about vertical integration is they talked about it in 30 Rock.

And I was like, I know business.

If you weren't entertainment, what nine-to-five job would you be at?

Anywhere I could have a label maker.

I like do love.

That's so fun.

I love organizing things.

I love.

Yeah, I'm a scrapbook.

Not scrap scrapbook.

I can't for scrapbooks.

Nobody has time for that.

It's so funny you say that, though, because like I did used to scrapbook when i was like a kid oh we've lost that art form haven't we yeah you could bring it back i could bring it right on back but yeah i just like i like i love the idea of yeah my my mom was a

secretary at a construction company for like 30 years and like she just is so good at like files and get like every and i was that i would love that okay And that wraps up the game.

Did I win the game?

You won.

You won.

Chelsea, this has been so much fun.

It was an honor to have have you.

We're loving you on the paper.

Can't wait for season two.

And also, just really excited to see where this takes your career.

Big things ahead for you for sure.

Where can people find you, follow you?

Anything you want to plug, promote, any of that fun stuff other than the paper?

Chelsea Fry.

Cross the board.

I think I just have an.

I think I just have an Instagram.

F-R-E-I.

I'm not great at socials, but yes, I'm on Instagram.

No, thank you guys.

This is like, as I said, big clout for me and my friend group.

So thank you guys so much.

We'll come back.

Please.

I would love to.

Well, anytime you want to talk, if you're watching Salt Lake City and you want to come back and

share your hot takes, just please reach out.

Thanks, Joe.

Thank you guys so much.

Bye, Jerry.

Bye, Jerry.

Jerry,

Jerry.

I love you.

Bye, Jerry.

He's like, take me for a walk.

Okay.

Thank you guys.

Bye.

So much fun.

She's cute.

She's great.

I like her.

I feel like she's one of those people who, like, because she said the Pilates thing.

Yeah.

Where like you would see her in LA and she'd just like avoid you guys, like not make eye contact.

Right, because we talked to her virtually.

So true.

I actually appreciate those people sometimes, though.

Yeah.

When you're out and you're like, oh, gosh, I also didn't want to say hi.

So, yeah.

And you're like, thank God you acted like you didn't see me, too.

Yeah.

Love when that happens.

That's the best.

It's like I see any of you in person.

Right.

And it wasn't planned.

When we decide to mutually ignore each other.

Yes.

We're minding our own business, you know?

Me and Natalie just see each other out.

We just don't make eye contact.

Well, speaking of minding your own business, we definitely don't do that with our next guest, Mark Estes, because he used to date Kristen Cavalieri.

So we've her.

Yeah, I feel like you've

literally.

He does have more to him than that.

Of course, but our audience, like, listen, know your audience.

Know your audience.

Also, shout out to the Montana boys.

But Mark is making a name for himself.

He's on the new season of Special Forces, and he's doing TikToks with the rest of the Montana boys.

He's hot.

Let's just be, I mean, we got to meet him in person and he's sexy.

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Obviously, you've made some waves.

I don't know,

how long have you been famous i guess when did the montana boys really pop on tick tock yeah famous is a crazy word we can i know

i'll call you famous you know to call yourself famous what is fame these days but people know who you are outside of like your family you know yeah we started um back in college probably two and a half years ago okay and it wasn't really like popping off at first like we'd post maybe like once a month and you know it would go but we didn't really care because we still had to graduate school and we're playing football and then it was our senior year so that was about a year and a half ago.

We started taking it pretty serious and posting more.

And then that was kind of like our long-term goal: when we graduate, we're just going to hop in a truck and drive down to Nashville and see what we can do.

Was there one of y'all in particular who was like, I feel like this could be bigger than what we're making it.

We need to like hunker down.

Yeah, honestly.

It was

Caleb and Cade, honestly, that were, especially Cade.

He was like, he really won.

Yeah, I just had it.

He was like, everyone about me.

He's like, what?

No.

Okay.

I was like, shit.

So wait, are you living in Nashville?

Actually, I just, I was there for the year and for the last year and a half, but I just moved out.

I'm building a house with my brother in Montana, and then I float here with my girlfriend.

So, I lost my Virginia to a girl from Montana.

Did you really?

I love her.

And girlfriend, hello.

Where is she from?

Bozeman.

No.

Missoula.

Missoula, Montana.

No shit.

Missoula, Montana.

Shout out.

You got him at a surprise.

It's been downhill since then.

That's crazy.

So you're currently dating Summer Ray.

Yes.

You are.

Do you realize, I don't know if you were in the wave of Summer Ray when Summer Ray was like waving, but do you realize how iconic she is?

Yeah, I do.

Yeah.

Yeah, I understand the magma.

Is your master plan to, and I say this with all jokes, just to date, you know, you're, you've become famous, but you're like, I'm going to date women more famous than me because the is that a way to like humble yourself um i don't know if that's my master plan but uh it's just kind of how it worked out i guess i we just met at stagecoach and the sparks were flying and so we just kept rolling with it who noticed who like was it like oh that's summer ray or was she like oh that's uh that's um well i dm'd her before period yeah it's literally the dms yeah like probably

ownership yeah what was your line um i don't remember honestly i'm gonna have to look it up.

Yeah.

I'm sure you have to scroll a long ways back.

Yeah, let's see.

Very scrolling.

So you had DM'd her and y'all chatted before stagecoach.

And then at stagecoach, you actually met kind of like, hey, are you going to stagecoach?

I'm going to stagecoach.

Right.

Yeah.

And then it was funny, though, because we were actually staying at, you know, like the brands do like a big house with people.

And we're actually staying at the same one.

So it worked out.

Like, just happens to shut up.

Okay.

I said, you're something else with like the

death analogy.

Yeah.

That's wife was like, you're on.

You're unreal.

You don't have to overthink it.

You just basically say something nice.

What is a Montana boy?

Like, is it...

It's starting to change a lot.

At first, it was definitely just they're strapping on TikTok, you know, with like three songs.

That's all we had in our, in our belt.

Okay.

There's a lot of like people who like try to copy, you know, or mock you guys.

You know, y'all are a little like the, I think it was I'm one number away, maybe.

That was like one of y'all songs that everyone kind of started like doing the Montana Boys, like walk up and sing and like circle around or whatever.

Did y'all, was that just something that like happened?

You know, we're like, let's just.

Yeah, that's something that just, we were.

You're like, I'm going to sing this

part.

You get that part.

And then it just went.

And then we just kept doing it.

And yeah, I don't know.

It's crazy, honestly, because it's not like it's a dance.

People say it's like a dance, but it's really not.

We're just like, it's really, it's just a little lip singing.

Yeah.

Like a love finger.

whose idea was it to thirst trap to like sad song.

We're just country country kids, so we just love country music.

And I don't know.

As a college football fan, I couldn't help but notice that Alabama had a tough opening week.

And then I saw some clips of some of the football players from various college football teams, these D1 athletes.

They were doing what seemed to be some Montana Boys

TikToks, and people seemed to be frustrated.

It's just like men used to go to war.

Yeah.

It's like,

you know, this is why you're losing 40 to 13.

Doesn't seem like your heart's in it.

Do you guys feel like you've changed college football?

Do you feel like you're responsible for Alabama?

For the fall of Alabama.

For the fall of Alabama?

I would like to think so.

I mean, honestly,

I'm not a Tithe fan, so I'd like to think that.

That is funny.

War Eagle.

I think that was NIL, though, probably if I had to really think about it.

Okay, so I feel like we have to obviously get into Kristen Cavallari.

That was, I mean, I know you're in all respect to Summer Ray, of course.

But we have to, I feel like we have to dive into that a little bit.

Did you, did y'all meet the same way on social media?

Yes.

Okay.

I'm going to...

not talk a lot about it.

Okay.

But just because this would be respectful for my, to my girlfriend, that's how I'm going to to come apart like with questions with it.

But I will speak a little bit.

Would I feel like the most respectful thing you can answer is how y'all broke up.

Why'd you break up?

Let you to summer.

Yeah, it just wasn't.

We're in different times of our lives, obviously, different points in our lives, I guess.

And it just wasn't adding up.

And it was just time to do it.

Okay.

Okay.

Time to do it.

And so then, and then special Forces contacts you and they're like, hey.

They special forces, actually, that was, they contacted me like in May.

And so I only had like two weeks to get ready for it.

Oh, wow.

That's kind of like how you did.

Yeah.

Were you an immediate, yes, I want to do this?

Or like, what, what was your opinion of it?

Or what did you know about it before you got the call?

I knew I

decent about it, honestly.

I was, um, I know Dwight Howard.

pretty well and so he was on the first season i believe and so i talked to him it's crazy he told me that's something i should do and i should go on it and then yeah that that um call came through and my agent asked me and i was pretty pumped honestly how were you pretty close with dwight howard did that friendship come about um

we yeah it's kind of random

um we were actually on a show together what was the show um

i don't know if i'm allowed to talk about it really isn't that out yet it's not out yet it's not it's about to yeah it's about to be out in like the next couple weeks okay so look for another show that mark is on with dwarf howard

both been busy yeah had you seen special forces before you signed up i have yeah okay i watched the first season i remember watching

i watched a little bit of it yeah i just didn't have time to watch all of it

but i did watch a little bit of each season but when the first season came out i remember watching it back in 2020 and i remember i saw like the commercials for it and i was like nick you need to do this show this is like hot shit right here and he was like i think they asked me and i said no i didn't have time or something.

And I was like, what?

You turned it down.

And he was like, sorry, I don't know.

And then the second season came around and he was locked in.

So they only gave you a couple weeks, too.

Literally a couple of weeks.

Two weeks.

I think he was like getting in the pool, our pool, because it was like kind of cold.

And he was like, This is a hot.

We were filming in New Zealand during the winter time.

Oh, there's that one.

All the rain and stuff.

No.

Did you know where you were going?

I was hyperthermic for the last three days.

Oh, shit.

Did you know where you were going?

Not for like the first like week.

Yeah.

I think eventually like after a week, like we said, like the contract was through and stuff, and they told me.

Right.

You have a couple of your recruits.

You know, we have Teresa and Gia.

We have Jesse James Decker and her husband, Eric.

I think there was

Sean Johnson and Andrew.

Going into that experience, knowing what it's like, you know, you don't, you have, you know, you're all by yourself obviously the recruits kind of band together and you guys are a support system but did you was there a little bit of envy or jealousy yeah with like these people had each other and that support system because like the ds's they're just literally breaking you down calling you a piece of shit all you want is like some like just give me a tell me

like

a little something you know and like you have like gia where i love you i love you i'm like i could have used a little bit of that that.

But yeah, what was that like?

Yeah, I think that definitely, it definitely gives them an edge.

You know, you're on the show and just like a little bit of emotional support, like during a challenge or, you know, day-to-day stuff goes a long ways because the DAS ain't giving it to you.

But yeah, I think it for sure gives you a little edge if you have a spouse on there or like your best friend or something.

Yeah, like there's your motivation.

I can't say that I like heights or anything like that, but I mean, I'm not like, I don't have like this terrible fear of heights.

But I found that when I was on the show, the challenges were for the most part kind of fun.

You know,

and it was everything in between when they're just beating the shit out of you.

That's it.

A lot of stuff, just a heads up, when you watch it, you're going to be pretty frustrated.

Because, you know, they can only show so much.

Like every episode, what, hour, hour and a half?

I don't know.

And your days, you know, they felt like weeks.

Fucking 18-hour days.

So like, you're going to watch it back.

And the whole audience is going to be like, oh, that's crazy.

I can't believe they did it to you.

And you're going to feel like they showed like just like one sliver of like the fucking torture that you endured.

Yeah.

I remember Nick was like, we ran so far.

We kept it.

I'm like, that was like fucking five miles.

And they showed like five minutes of it, you know.

Yeah, that's going to be frustrating.

I'm sure.

Did you go in with fears?

No, that's funny.

I didn't honestly have any fears.

But like you said, once I got there, though, I felt like.

I had fears.

Like that, I'm not really scared of heights, never have been, but for some reason, like we'd be doing certain challenges and I'd be like shaking.

I'm like, I've never been scared of heights ever in my life.

They showed a clip of the underwater one submarine or what did y'all go in?

Submarine one.

Yours was what?

A helicopter?

Yeah, helicopter.

Underwater helicopter.

How was that for you?

Obviously, we don't know.

Oh, yeah, that one was, that one was brutal for me.

Like, is under, like, I feel like a water, that, like, that would be my biggest fear of like losing oxygen.

Yeah, that one was pretty tough, honestly.

I, going into it, I thought I was going to be fine, but like, once you're in it, you're like, holy shit.

Once you're in the water, you're like, oh.

And then then i didn't plan it out very well overthought my strategy going into it which you definitely shouldn't do and i started counting in my head instead of like just waiting for the grab you know and so i started counting in my head and i got to the number i thought it was going to be but you're counting too fast you're like one one one two going

so i got to the number and i didn't get grabbed yet so i'm like shit who do you feel like was the meanest ds

I think they all kind of were pretty mean, just depending on like, like, Q could look at you and you'd be like, oh, fuck, he's pissed, you know.

But, like, Foxy and Bailey are very like verbal, you know, so, like, you can tell they're mad at you because they're gonna fucking tell you.

Yeah, but Q just would like look at you and just shake his head in disappointment.

You're like, all right, Q, didn't on your season, Nick, you would like laugh, like, you'd have somebody had like this wicked laugh.

Like,

yeah, he does go

up.

It's so crazy.

It's so crazy to see him.

He came to our wedding and he was like, I mean, just

like dancing with all the women on on the dance floor, like just the nicest, most charming man.

And then to see them on this show is just such a stark difference.

Yeah, I'm sure.

Have you talked to?

I mean, obviously, you've talked to them since, and it's like, yeah, is that shocking to like hear them be actual people?

It definitely is.

Like, uh, Rudy, I saw Rudy and Q yesterday, and they were, yeah, it's they're just normal people.

They're, yeah, yeah, they're normal people.

Normal, yeah,

yeah, they're they have moments for sure.

What surprised you the most?

What surprised me how serious it was?

Like going into it, I knew it was serious, obviously, but I didn't know it was like a real life simulation.

Real life's like, it's legit.

Like, it's serious.

Like, there's no like...

No cuts.

No town time.

Nothing.

No.

No.

Net DS.

They're on your ass 24-7.

Are you a picky eater?

I am, actually, kind of.

And so that was rough.

That's what fucked me because

I wasn't getting the calories and then we were in the cold.

So like I was just losing, I don't have much weight to lose and I was just getting fucking just dropping calories.

And my body was, I got hypothermic and I couldn't warm up.

Oh shit.

Because I had like, yeah, it was.

Nothing in your stomach.

I still won, though.

Yeah.

Dog.

Yeah, we had a lot of hard-boiled eggs, me and Johnny.

Oh, I wish that we got a lot of eggs.

Yeah, yours were like watery eggs.

Oh, God.

Yeah.

I wish I would have killed for hard-boiled eggs.

Yeah, that's the only thing that kept us going.

Who did you leave with like being your closest friend?

Honestly, so it's kind of crazy.

There's a lot of, there's like six of us that are in Nashville, like out of the Nashville area.

So obviously all the Nashville people, but me and Johnny definitely, like we've hung out since then, you know.

Did you ever think you'd be friends with Johnny Menzel?

No, honestly.

What about Debi Howard?

No, you've been.

Justice Mollette.

Did you know about him or his backstory before coming on the show?

Honestly, I knew about him, but I didn't know his backstory and I didn't know a lot about him.

Like I knew who he was.

Yeah, he's a very fascinating person with a very polarizing story, a lot of different opinions about him.

What was he like just getting to know him and being one of your fellow recruits?

Yeah, I thought he was pretty cool.

We didn't have like a bunch of like conversations, honestly.

But

he was a very nice, respectful guy to me.

Did he talk much about,

were there people there familiar with his story?

And did they, anyone whispers about like interrogate him or like because it is it's very it's very fascinating with a lot of you know there's like a new netflix documentary about it and things like that did anyone not that i noticed or they weren't talking to me about it maybe because i i still honestly don't know much about it was there anyone you got to know who rubbed you the wrong way um the wrong way no but cody brown that's about us

so cody brown we're

i don't know like he's he was super nice to me and you know he's a good guy but he would just, you know, everyone on the show, he would just get so like dead set on it.

And he'd always say, like, when he gets nervous, he starts talking.

And so sometimes we're just like, bro, Cody,

settle down a little bit.

You're making this worse for all of us.

But he's not a malicious guy or anything.

He's a nice guy.

He just talks a lot.

Who of your crews surprised you the most in terms of like,

you know, maybe you met them and thought, oh, they're not going to go that far.

We can't say spoilers, but who went maybe farther or surprised you than?

Or was was just like more like beast in challenges or like whatever than you would expect honestly Nick young

He got through a lot of shit that you know I thought before going into it.

I'm like oh, he's done for sure cuz he would say it You know, he would say I'm not doing this shit, but he would eventually get through it So he got through a lot of shit He didn't think he was gonna did you ever say you were done?

Um Yeah, there was one time after the tunnels I was like if we have to do tunnels again, I'm not doing it.

I remember you were like Nick's

there were several moments where he was like i'm quit well no but you always say that like everyone has their thing like everyone had their like excuse for right yeah in my experience doing it it's like you know there's a pride element to it like if you if you first of all just showing up for this crazy fucking show knowing that there's like no incentive to stay you know whatever they pay you is like you can quit five minutes later there's literally no incentive so there's a little bit of like craziness in anyone who shows up and obviously there's a sense of pride in that person who shows up and i have found that like like for everyone, for all the people who ended up quitting or leaving the show, you saw it

earlier before they quit.

And they would start coming up with reasons why they needed to leave that to them wasn't quitting.

Like Des Bryant started bringing up like...

He needs to call his kids and he was frustrated that production wouldn't want to call his kids and things like that.

And other people were just talking about like,

well,

I don't have a problem with the challenges, but they felt unsafe in the Jeeps where we were going to and things like that, which were all, again, all valid, but like you could just tell people, you know, they're just

coming up with shit because they, you know, listen, like you just, it's,

you're like, why the fuck am I here?

Yeah, how do we?

Yeah, that was, yeah, that happened in our season too.

And even, I found myself doing it a couple of times.

And then I would think in my brain, I'm like.

Just stop being a pussy about it.

You know, like, just because the food's not good, like, that's not an excuse to leave.

Cause, you know, there's this, yeah, I think it's human nature.

Like, you know, in those fucking scenarios, they're insane.

And it's like the little shit in between.

The challenges aren't that bad at the end of the day.

It's the shit in between.

Yeah.

They're scary, but they're kind of fun.

Were you surprised how little

training or

just like I thought we were going to get like rehearsals?

Oh, yeah.

I thought, you know, I did other shows where you do stuff and they're like, if any, anything remotely, you know, dangerous, you know, is like a two-hour safety course.

So I was like, oh, we're going to get all these like, and you would show up and they were just like, all right, here's how you do it.

It's, I'm just going to show you from 80 yards away.

All right, go.

And you're like,

yeah, that was tough doing that.

And we did like a little, like, I'm sure you guys did it too.

Like the day before you went on the show, you probably did like a two-minute little like how to repel or something.

Top, we didn't even do that.

They were like, can you, they asked us if we could swim and I had to swim for five seconds.

Yeah, that's kind of what we did.

That's all the training we got.

Okay.

Were you hoping this would turn on your girlfriend, Demeray, by doing this?

Yeah, I think so.

I think she's very excited.

Her and her family, they're excited to watch it.

So I'm excited for it.

How did your family feel about you going?

They thought it was sick.

Yeah.

You know, my dad, he's very, you know, he played football his whole life.

So he's like very detailed.

And like, so he's watched every single episode and just sending me like spark notes of everything.

So he loved it.

And that I was on it for sure.

I do have to.

Why did you text Kristen?

I miss you after you guys broke up?

Sounds toxic.

I don't even know what that, I don't even know what that's about, honestly.

Okay.

I mean, it was probably like eight months ago when we first broke up or something.

Yeah, we got to ask the people

it wasn't recent.

I know that.

Period.

What's next for you?

What's next?

We got the two shows coming out.

And then I'm going to focus a lot, I think, on modeling a little bit for the next year.

I want to get into acting.

Okay.

So I'm going to start maybe doing some acting classes here and there and just see where that kind of takes me did the montana boys break up no the montana boys are still there we're just all kind of doing our own thing and then once we

like once we're together and stuff we'll still do stuff together um we'll we still do events together and all that kind of stuff but caleb's kind of djing and doing his own thing was it caleb who was dating kaler from love island yeah they had a little romance a little thing we saw him on or heard about it that's no longer happening no she's the new guy yeah she's with the new guy

all right if they Are you like the leader?

It depends what we're doing.

Okay.

So it all depends.

Caleb's more like, if we need to get shit done or like have like a video we need to post or make, like, I'm for sure getting like, who's the Harry Styles of the Montana Boys?

Caleb.

Okay.

All right.

There I go, Caleb.

Interesting.

All right.

Okay.

Well,

well, Mark, thanks for joining us.

Yeah, thanks for watching.

Best of luck the rest of the season.

Excited to see how it turns out.

Sounds like you're going to do pretty well.

You're in good physical shape.

It's a mental, it's definitely a a mental game.

Jojo offered to carry Tom Sandoval for Nick, and you should have met that was the biggest mistake you ever made.

You know, when they offer you a moment.

I'm carrying Tom for like a mile on my fucking shoulders.

And this is after I started becoming hyperthermic earlier in the morning.

I'm fucking done.

And so, like, and JoJo was a beast.

Like, she fucking crushed it the whole time.

And so I put Tom down.

She's like, let me take him.

I'm like, all right, fine.

You know, like, she puts Tom on her back and she walks 10 feet, maybe.

And then she's like,

and she puts him down and they're like, that's all we needed.

And they just fucking kept looping and make it seem like JoJo like saved my ass and carried him the rest of the way.

I look like such a fucking bitch.

I was rude.

I was, it was, uh, fuck you, Fox.

I'll never let that go.

Anyways, well, I wish you nothing but the best, man.

Happy that you're part of the special forces family.

Excited to see how you do.

And if you don't win, I'll always have that over you.

Yeah, you will.

All right.

Well, that will do it for our episode.

Thank you to our guests, Chelsea Fry and Mark Estes.

Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive episode of Going Deeper, where Teresa Judice lays it all on the ground, the floor.

She spills it all.

She talks about it all.

And then on Thursday, we have a great episode for you as well.

Madison Pettis, Chris Clemens, and Alexia Nepola are all with us.

We'll see you then.

Bye-bye.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

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