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What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another episode of the Biofiles.

I thought you were going to say exciting.

Or the harmonics.

You usually throw in an exciting episode.

Yeah, sometimes I mix it up, but like you really got in my head.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Sorry.

That wasn't caught a wild hair up my ass and felt the need to participate.

I hope you're all having a great day today, wherever you are, and however you are listening to us.

We have a fantastic episode lined up for you today.

First and foremost, we got a couple exciting premieres.

Dancing with the stars kicked off last night, as well as, well, I think many of us, but my favorite real housewives franchise, the Salt Lake City gals.

I feel like it must be everyone's.

It is exceptional television.

It just from beginning to end, from their intros to everything, it's just, I'm always just locked in.

And I can't say the same about the rest.

But Nina Parker Parker returns to the show to talk with us.

All things Bravo, the premiere of Salt Lake City, the hilarious, fun Nina Parker joins us.

Also, Ben Higgins, your favorite batcher of all time.

Leo, it's funny.

Just Nick.

You know, him and Joey, you know.

God love him.

Anyways, he joins us.

He's new into Fatherhood.

He is re-releasing his book.

Also, with the announcement of Taylor Frankie Paul, I'm sure he has some things to say.

Whose season was he on?

He was on Caitlin's with me.

He famously told JoJo and Jojo and.

Oh, my God, who did he end up with?

Oh, my God.

Mary Lauren.

Lauren.

Lauren Lang.

Yes.

He told them both that he loved them.

He was the first one to profess the double love.

But he definitely did it with more tact than Clayton.

I think he just got away with it because of his face.

Probably, yeah.

I would have forgiven him too.

Anyways, they are all with us.

Exciting news, guys.

We are one

week away from nally and i going up to the lake since the first time since christmas wow we haven't been up there uh in between that time and this time we uh rebuilt the entire house grander bigger better bolder uh in the spirit of my grandfather's house that he built but it is very exciting i know many of you have followed along some of the posts that we've made throughout the year certainly nally has done a much better job of me of sharing some some of the aesthetics, but it's very exciting.

Very exciting.

You guys will have to do like some sort of video of the whole place to show everyone, or at least me.

Oh, yeah, we'll definitely.

We're definitely going to try.

Yeah, we'll show you guys.

I mean, we're not sure when we'll show the masses the house because, you know, we're not.

We're not sure if we'll do something exciting, cool, and fun, and very fancy, or we'll just show it on our social.

To be determined.

But I essentially came up with like the layout of the house, the architecture, if you will, in my head.

Certainly, I wasn't not the designer of the layout, someone who with a bit of an architectural background did that.

But it was based off my vision.

And then Natalie really was the main in terms of aesthetic designer, picking out like countertops and the cabinets and all the like the idiot

intro sync, the small stuff, whatever.

I don't know what you, how do you what were you trying to do?

Intricacies.

Intricacies, yeah.

Intricacies.

Intricacies.

Thank you, Justin.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Intricacies, intricacies?

That's the next thing you'll have to learn in your speech class.

Speech class.

Yeah.

Intricacies.

Thousandth.

Intricacies.

Thousandth.

How's my guest bedroom going?

Well, currently, right now,

you know,

I think it's pretty ready.

They need a clean.

You know, they got to do a big, deep clean, get all that dust out of there.

And then we, when we're there, you know, Nick's dad called me yesterday and was like, so just so you know, like, it's not going to be.

move-in ready, you know, like I won't have your bed made.

And I was like, I'm expecting us to like unpack some boxes and build some furniture.

But what do you mean our bed won't be made?

We don't even have sheets there.

So what you're saying is Justin, Justin doesn't have a bed yet.

It feels really surreal.

Like, honestly, it's one of those, I mean, they did it in nine months, which is, you know, that's fast.

That's really fast.

For a rebuild is crazy.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And the whole time we were always like, this is going to be pushed.

This is going to be pushed.

It's been pushed only like a couple weeks, though.

But it always gets pushed.

Like, they never.

But I was expecting it to, I was like, if we're there by Christmas, like I'm shocked.

And we'll be there before Nick's birthday.

So, which, by the way, guys, his birthday gift, I got it the other day.

Did you?

Guys.

What is it?

Tell us.

Genius.

First of all, everyone around me in the store was like, this is

so amazing.

Wow.

So it's from a store.

Nick, close your ears.

It would have to be from a store.

Yeah, Nick, take your headphones off for a second.

Yeah, take your headphones off.

Go in the other room.

I want to know what it is.

But then I'm telling everyone listening too, and there's someone's going to DM them more.

Yeah, someone's going to be an asshole.

No, I don't think we should trust the masses.

You'll find out somewhere.

They're going to comment it somewhere.

Yeah.

Someone will show up to our front door just to tell Nick what his gift is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it's really good.

And like.

I'm excited to ask you.

What kind of a reaction are you expecting?

Tears.

Tear?

I have to cry.

Yeah.

You're not going to have to cry.

You're going to want to.

You're going to cry just because it's so good.

Yeah, you're an an actor aren't you good at crying on demand isn't that like one of your like hidden talents i can it's possible i'm not it it it takes energy didn't you do that your entire bachelor career

no i did it my as the bachelor yes almost the entire time fake cried i gave him a cup of water and a straw for a promo we shot but i won't spoil which one it is

Oh my god.

But he didn't need it.

He could do it on his own?

Yeah, that was just a backup plan, but we didn't end up using it.

Did he cry?

Wait, was that?

For what?

You remember?

I don't.

I don't either just what was it?

I don't remember which one it was.

Okay, guys.

If you haven't listened to yesterday's Going Deeper episode with Jesse James Decker and her husband, Eric Decker, you are definitely going to want to check it out.

What a beautiful couple.

So much fun to get to know them.

It's fun to just like pick their brain.

Obviously, they have four kids

from 11 to 19 months.

And it was just so interesting to pick their brains on parenthood and which is how they met it's just a very cute story it was very like double date with nally and i you know just you know just just think the world needs to hear more about you know families coming together whoever your family is whether it's your chosen family or immediate family just like you know i think we're at a time where we need to surround ourselves get off our phones,

get into like our communities, connect with the people that we have in our lives.

It was just a great conversation with Jesse and Eric.

And I felt, you know, I just, if you want to feel good

about the world, I promise you you'll feel a little uplifted from listening to that episode.

Also, Lisa Traeger joined us for Reality Recap on Tuesday, as well as Cole Walliser.

You know him as the Glam Bot guy at every major red cart, but he's certainly had some fun stories to share about all the cool celebrities he's been able to shoot over the years.

He was at the Emmys.

So if you want to check that out, be sure to do so as well.

I was going to say, do you know what else is super uplifting to watch right now?

Literally or figuratively?

Dancing with the the stars?

Literally.

Dancing with the stars.

Literally.

Literally and figuratively.

They get lifted up.

That premiered last night.

What?

It's a fun cast.

Do you got Whitney and Jen from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives?

You got Dylan Efron.

It's a real Valfiles lineup, you know?

Real friend of show heavy group week.

FOS heavy, for sure.

FOS.

Very FOS.

Do you guys know what I've always wanted but have never gotten in my entire life?

An orgasm?

My God.

That was a nice.

To be lifted into the air while dancing.

Oh

my God.

Same.

Why don't I get that in my life?

Honestly, guys, Nick picked me up the other day and I was not that I was just like nervous that he would drop me, but I definitely was like so in my head and so self-conscious about just like, am I heavy?

that I don't ever want to be lifted again.

Yeah.

You know, like I don't need that sense of anxiety.

No, that's fair.

That's fair.

That's fair.

I feel like to be you, when you are lifted, you want the person lifting you to be like, you were not heavy at all.

It was like lifting a feather.

Have you been lifted?

You know?

No, but that's my dreams today.

What is your obsession with?

I don't, why do you want to be lifted?

It feels, you know, like for the whole purpose of feeling light and feathery?

Yeah.

Yes.

Probably.

You know what?

Like, why?

Why has society made you feel like that's necessary, ladies?

Well, we can get into that, but I don't think we should.

Yeah, I feel like that's going to be getting a little dark for sure.

Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

How long do you have?

You need to have some opening.

You need to have some, like, a strong base, you know?

Like, it's really.

We want our women built like farmers.

So are you saying I just haven't, like, met a strong enough base?

You're saying Danny's not a strong base?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Are you saying you're not a strong enough base for Natalie?

Yeah.

I carried her ass half a mile once.

Well, with lots of breaks in between.

I need to hear this story.

Lots of breaks.

It was leaving stagecoach, and my feet hurt, and he had to carry me on his back, but there were so many breaks.

Yeah.

Which Patrick Swayze never took breaks in dirty dancing.

You know, I think it's good to have a strong base, you know?

Which one of us is the strong base?

You or me?

Both of us.

He's taken it more on the like emotional level.

You guys together are one strong base.

We're so mentally strong bases together.

Fuck the emotional strong base.

I want a physical strong base who can lift me in the air and not look like it hurts.

Yeah, they can be toxic as long as they can lift.

I don't know.

Listen, I mean, to each their own.

Anyway, dancing with the stars.

There were a lot of really good lifts on this first episode, and I love to see it.

It's my favorite part, clearly.

I thought Whitney did a really good job.

She did not have a lift.

And I have to say,

she did good, like dancing-wise.

I think she's a very talented dancer.

I think what I'm looking for as a judger, obviously I'm voting, and I'm looking for lifts.

I'm looking to be entertained.

I'm looking for the wow moment.

I'm looking for the spins and this and the tosses along the floor.

And like,

that's what I need to see.

And although Whitney was like very, like, it looked like high score because she was a great dancer, like arms, elbows were elevated, you know, she did.

She won the highest score of the night.

I just, I'm excited to see her in a more like more complex choreo.

Yes.

And I do have to say, I think the women are much more talented with the choreo.

Like, I think Whitney

for the pros, yeah.

You're talking shit about Mark Ballows.

Well, I'm not talking shit about him.

I just think like Whitney Carson may be like my favorite choreographer dancer.

Her and Robert Irwin, I mean, crushed.

I think he will be the finalist.

Whitney finalist.

He's going to shoot it.

Obsessed.

Yeah.

How did we feel about Dylan?

I mean, he's also just very pretty to look at.

Yeah.

So much of dancing is just charm.

We need to rip off the shirt for the day.

I think he wants to do too well.

And I say that having done Dancing with the Stars and really wanted to do too well.

I think he needs to loosen up a little bit.

He was very tight in the hips.

Yeah.

But it was his first night.

For sure.

Totally.

And again, this is not coming from a place of judgment.

I think I forgot how to have fun because it's so nerve-wracking.

And like Dylan, like myself, I mean, like, he's been on TV, but he's not like, he hasn't been performing his whole life.

So many of these people on this show have some kind of dancing background or performance background.

This is really a new experience for him.

And he's obviously like, Dylan's been exceptional at many things in his life.

So he's obviously approaching this experience, no doubt, like busting his ass, working very hard.

And like so much about dancing with the stars, it's not like going to a wedding and shaking your ass because there's all these like steps and movements and like posture.

But the like the real trick is like, that's why I think Jen from Mormon Wives, she's always having fun.

Like, you know, the whole time she's smiling and bubbly and people, that is so important when it comes to like audience voting.

They want to vote for the people who are really having a good time.

I think that's why Joey did so well.

He was A, a good dancer, but Joey always looked like he was having a good time.

And Dylan looked like a little bit how I looked, which is like a little bit of like, don't fuck up, you know, a little dirin headlights, a little different headlights.

So, I'm hoping Dylan can bring some of some of that, like, I'm at a wedding energy to his next performance.

You know, who's giving wedding energy in Dancing with the Stars?

Miss Hilaria Baldwin.

I was kind of, I kind of ate her up.

I'm not gonna lie.

We had Alec in the audience.

Alec in the audience.

You have Hilaria, Let's Get Loud.

Dancing to JLo.

On theme, for sure.

On theme.

Yeah.

Yep.

For sure.

On theme.

Yeah, I thought, I mean, I thought she did good.

Again, like, wasn't obsessed with choreo.

No.

I don't even think there was a lift there.

And she's like the smallest human being.

Well, I can't have a living.

Everyone can't have a lift.

Why?

They should.

You know, it's like a 90-second dance.

All I want to see are the lifts.

Give the people what they want.

I don't know if every dance

trot.

Is there a lift in the foxtrot?

I don't know, but do y'all remember last season when Danielle was with Dwight Howard?

Yeah.

And she jumped off the stairs into his arms.

Are you kidding?

I haven't stopped thinking about it.

I think you all have a sick obsession with being light and feathery.

Yeah.

Sick.

Yeah, we do.

It's probably like mental illness, but let us know.

I think it is.

Yeah, I don't understand.

Yeah, no one claimed to be healthy in the head.

No.

No one claimed.

No.

Nellie just wants to jump into my arms and as if nothing happened.

No.

I I can't flinch.

There can be no.

Yeah.

I see nothing wrong with that.

I see nothing wrong with that either.

Thank God.

It's a mental illness.

Well, you know what else we are binging right now?

It is the Charlie Sheen documentary.

We talked about it a little bit on Tuesday, but guys, it is insane.

First of all, let me just start by saying I personally have never seen not one Charlie Sheen movie.

I know him as Denise Richards' ex-husband, right?

So like I went into it as like, I don't really know who this guy guy is, but like, sure, let's watch.

And was Jaw on the floor shocked the entire two-part series.

He's just, he's famously Martin Sheen's son, who they get in the, in the dock, that, like, had just incredible success from the moment he tried acting.

I mean, he was just.

He skyrocketed to one of the biggest movie stars

in the world.

It seemed pretty easy to become an actor in that day and age.

You know, like

Charlie's dad, Charlie's brother, Charlie, you know, it's like they all were just like let's try and like all his friends from like nicholas cage to sean penny they just all like grew up together and they were like all friends i don't know if george clooney grew up with them but like i think they were kind of acting together but young george clooney makes an appearance but yeah it was nepotism's awesome you know last time i checked it really works out you know for some and that's not not to discount nepotism because again there there are a lot of nepo babies who do who are untalented yeah who uh and no it's not even talented like you do have to work hard no that's what i mean of like there are untalented nepo babies and a lot of the untalented nepo babies don't make it because even some of the talented nepo babies don't make it exactly you know so but it is

he he led in a fascinating life it's it's really surreal he's now eight years sober which just like his reasoning for finally getting sober

it's like you would think But he's so honest the whole time, right?

Like he's like, this is stuff that I said I would never, like, I would only ever say to a therapist, like, behind a HIPAA, like, law, like, would not ever say publicly.

And he says all of it.

He, the, the interviewer was the director interviewer was great, asked him everything, scandal, everything that's ever gone on about him.

And he's brutally honest.

Yeah, there's definitely some darkness to it.

And obviously, our queen, Denise Richards, makes an appearance, and she's very vulnerable and honest about some of the darkness in their marriage.

And that is in no way to condone Charlie's activity.

This is, I just, I have empathy for the situation.

They talk about how like he was addicted to painkillers during that time.

I think it, I think it really like sheds a light on just the disease that is addiction because the reasoning for why he got sober, it seemed like there would have been, and there were so many other like bigger things that happened to him that you would thought would have like snapped him out of it.

But it was like this one small interaction he had with one of like with with his daughter that like in eight years sober.

It's just like it's just a crazy it's a it's it's crazy yeah it's a it's a it's you know again it's it's dark it's funny it's fascinating it's you know it's it's not even like a celebration of charlie in no way i mean it's a very it's a confession of some of his at times very dark life but it is honest and there are elements of healing towards it and and vulnerability that you just you it's hard not to appreciate because even like denise has talked about she she was at the premiere you know what everything they've been through his he and his other ex-wife makes an appearance his ex-wife who also is a recovering addict and and is you know there's that there's just some really darkness in it but again they've they've seemed to have overcome as a family and we talked about it in uh yes in tuesday's episode of rr but the fact that he drove or he flew a 300 passenger plane absolutely hammered and that's how they opened the dock is just that tells you everything you need to know so yeah it's very interesting

he admits this but he's never really He's never had to face.

I mean, talk about privilege.

He's never had to face

many of the consequences that everyone else has to face for some of the things that he has done.

And

it's a fascinating doc.

Anyway,

yeah.

It's wild.

Have you guys seen,

there's this documentary on HBO about Pee Wee Herman.

It's called Pee-Wee as Himself.

I haven't watched it.

No.

It's really good because it's him like arguing because he died like right before the documentary was finished but like it's the it's basically like the last kind of like the first time he's ever like really honest to the public about his life and he hates it and he's like arguing with the guy making the documentary the entire time yeah this is not charlie arguing with i mean he's he's very accountable and it like he you they have they show a little bts of him just like encouraging everyone who participated to like just whatever you know there's nothing off limits say whatever you have to say it's like group therapy it was um

I mean, the amount of drugs that they said this man was doing, they were like, it was like inhumane.

Like the amount that he would consume at one time was like

super humane.

They were like, he's not real.

Was he in like the group with like River Phoenix and Johnny Depp and stuff like that?

They showed

a photo of him and Johnny Depp.

I think he was more with

like Viper River.

Sean Penn he grew up with.

Sean Penn.

Nicholas Cage was like a best friend of his, and they were, they were party boys together.

Yeah.

Well, that makes sense because Nicholas Cage is like Francis Ford Coppola's like nephew or something.

Also, the summer I turned pretty finale was last night and it was really good in case anybody was watching that.

We did have our episode with Christopher Briney, your beloved Conrad.

So go check that out.

You can find it somewhere.

Well, up next, we have Nina Parker returning to the show.

We're going to get into all things Bravo, including the premiere.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which lived up to all of my expectations.

And we will talk about it all next.

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Returning to the show, Nina Parker is back.

Nina, how you doing?

I'm so happy to be back, guys.

We're so happy to have you.

It's you.

I mean, I see you online all the time, so I feel like I I see you.

You see enough of us.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Understandably so.

Well, breaking news, Nina, while you were joining us in the studio, Cardi B has announced that she is pregnant.

She has.

I mean, we do, but, you know, I love that she, you know, you always got to wait for the announcement.

Did we know?

Oh, I did.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, she's been pregnant enough.

I know.

I mean, yeah.

You can tell.

It was, yeah, I could tell.

Like at that time.

She moved a certain way when she's pregnant.

I mean, she just, yeah, I mean, it was very obvious to me that she was pregnant.

Well, that just honestly makes me a little proud of her for how she handled that ridiculous court case, but also just more infuriated that she had to put herself through that emotional, you know, stress.

Let's, you know, she handled it like such a queen, but like, I don't feel like

she should have had to deal with such a frivolous lawsuit.

during this very very very sensitive time when it comes to

life be life and right like regardless of what people don't care what you got going on you still got to go to court.

She got an album to drop.

Like, she's,

you know, that's why they say, I guess there's never a great time to get pregnant.

It's just going to happen.

So, you got to deal with it.

So, I won't be complaining about being tired because she was doing a lot while she was pregnant.

Yeah.

Also, is there like another breaking announcement that there's a summer house spin-off?

What is what's going on here?

Oh, I saw that too.

There is.

Yes, there is a summer house spin-off with Lindsey Hubbard, Kyle Cook, Amanda Betoula, and more.

They announced it today.

The working title is is In the City.

Why did we need a spin-off for that?

Because none of them were drinking and partying.

I mean, I guess Kyle Cook still was, but.

But couldn't we just turn Summer House into a little bit of a city?

That's what I was going to say.

Yeah.

So this is just the fall house.

Yeah.

They already did winter.

They like posted an Instagram and said, City Life Activated.

So it's basically going to be In the City That Never Sleeps, a group of New Yorkers navigates the biggest transition of their lives, marriage, parenthood, reinvention, and the reality of growing up without growing apart.

So it sounds like the Valley New York style.

Yeah, probably better people, not as corrupt.

A little bit more mentally stable people.

Yeah, the valley with like good souls.

Yeah.

We'll see, right?

We'll see.

We'll see.

Cause you know, people act different when it's the summer.

That's true.

With the fall behavior's giving us.

Yeah.

See, as seasons change.

Does that mean Kyle and Amanda won't be going to Summerhouse?

No, I guess they're just on two different shows.

Well, because Lindsay is also supposed to be on Summerhouse.

Well, it would make more sense for them to kind of like restructure and have, you know, the old Reliables do their own show and allow them to grow and then keep Summerhouse what it is, which is like young professionals getting fucked up in a house in the summer.

You know what they're going to do?

It's, you remember how Summer House was launched when it was basically a Vanderpump Rules episode and it was like this.

It was like this big crossover.

That's how some, yeah, the first episode of Summer House.

We know this because we are recapping recapping vanderpump rules on vile files plus for anyone who wants to subscribe subscribe now um but yeah the some half of the cast went to the the hamptons and they were partying with like new yorkers it was the summer house cast and then like halfway through it was like it went from an episode of van der pump to an episode of Summer House.

Which they love doing that all at Beverly Hills.

All at Beverly Hills, the introduction to Vanderpump.

So I feel like you're going to have this this new spin-off and all of a sudden it's going to transition into like the summer house where like Kyle and Lindsay will like graciously hand off and, you know, and Jesse and West and they'll bring in, you know, because like I want, I don't want, no offense.

I want to see singles partying in the summer house.

I do not want to see people like slowing down their lives.

But I do want to see them in a different environment.

Like I don't want to see them in the summer house, like going to bed at 9 p.m.

while everyone's like hammered and drunk, but I do want to see them removed in New York, like whatever they're doing there.

Because they're not going to be on two different shows, are they?

Well, it's saying that casting was kept out of the official release, but a source told people that the anchors are going to be Lindsay, Kyle, and Amanda.

And then they also, an insider is saying that Andrea Denver and wife Lexi Sundon are also taking part in the series.

I don't know.

It sounds mature.

It sounds a little mature.

Yeah.

You know, it sounds like they might be doing some home remodeling.

You know, uh-huh.

You know, it sounds a little more elevated, maybe.

Yeah, interesting.

I would love a home remodel.

I wouldn't listen.

They have an assistant send out their part-a-full invitations instead of just sending them out themselves.

Yeah.

Well, did you watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City premiere?

I did.

I did.

You know, it gave a lot of everything.

It did.

Even their intro is the best in the Blair Witch.

Witch.

The Blair Witch intro,

you know, which is very like niche.

I was like, oh, the Blair Witch.

I love this.

Oh, this is, this is letting us know what we're about to expect.

Yeah.

Found footage,

Housewives Crossover.

It was not, to quote Whitney Rose, on my bingo card, but I was like really happy to see it.

And there was a little haunting in the episode.

There was.

You know, Heather got spooky with it.

Yeah.

There was a little storytelling.

I was here for it.

Yeah.

We have

the longest rapid recap I think we've had to date.

mary what happened here there's a lot going on in the show that needed to be talked about okay well if you missed the premiere of the raw housewives of salt lake city here is your not so rapid rapid recap so this season opens up with a blair witch style horror sequence need we say more yes because immediately after angie shows up to mary cosby's house in an rv and they plot to shove all the women into a recreational vehicle and take them straight to a sketchy camping site all but lisa who is too busy hanging out with blake lively and ben afflack aka negotiating her contract to join them all the girlies girlies meet in the beauty lab parking lot.

Britney showed up in a bikini top under a fur coat.

And it seems like the FBI was called on Whitney, JKJK.

It was more like male strippers as a joke.

What wasn't a joke, Whitney's saying Britney sucks Jared's dick for money.

We're so back because Lisa isn't there.

The girls take this as an opportunity to shit on her all day long.

But Britney is apparently besties with Lisa and supports her.

She also brings camcorders for everyone in the woods because that always ends well.

Lisa Barlow's business issues are, of course, brought up while everyone's camping.

The girls go for the jugular.

Angie compares Lisa to Jin Shaw, and everyone, including Angie, was like, whoa, okay, too far.

Sorry about that.

Never mind.

Also, Bronwyn admitted she totally lied about that necklace and Heather is still living in terror of Lisa.

Brittany then announces her and Jared got engaged and then unengaged, but they're still sleeping together.

Mary Cosby is convinced she could spiritually resurrect a fish.

Honestly, if anyone could do it, she could.

Also, Heather is once again producing, but this time a horror film.

It's so scary.

Mary Cosby has to raw dog a bagel.

Then the drama picks up.

Whitney bodies her fight with Britney by revealing that her business failed.

Brittany tried and failed to hug her after.

Meredith also finally speaks after literally adding lighter fluid to a fire to remind Brittany, I find you to be absolutely uninteresting.

I have zero respect for you.

Cold, Meredith.

Then all the girls go into the woods at night and it gets super Blair Witch and then they lose Meredith.

What?

Thoughts?

The Genshaw SWAT team of it all.

That was wild.

I mean, obviously it was

right.

But like, it was kind of like, I mean, is there ever a time to play about the police?

You know, like, yeah, like, okay, girl.

In the beauty lab parking lot, the original scene of the crime as well.

Bravo has a very hairy history with

faking any type of police involvement.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, it was definitely a nice little repeat, but I was like, oh.

Also, we watched it twice in watching Whitney act the second time, knowing that she is the one who, they're like, Whitney, it's it's for you she's like oh no what's happening you're less

the second that heather gray stepped on she was like what's going on here are we allowed to body shame strippers oh did you did you think they were too thin listen i think

if you're gonna take your shirt off for a profession and ask us to to to throw you money well let's consider the city Yeah, that's because you know.

Also, what do you don't think, what, people in Salt Lake can work out and get the abs going?

No, I mean, it depends.

You know, that might be what

they like there.

You know what I mean?

But also, how much money did they make to get on that tiny RV and like

shimmy?

It was so awesome.

It seemed like most of the show was outside the RV.

Like, what kind of strippers are you just doing it in the parking lot?

There was not enough room for all.

There should have been one.

You know, there was not enough room for four.

I know.

I love that Salt Lake City is like the premier prestige housewife show, and it still is like the most low-budget of all.

I was going to say, a couple of them camera angles look like they was definitely shot from Andrew oh my god I was like what's happening on the RV I was like you guys didn't have time to like get like at least like 1080 on the RV here because it what was given on that RV when the dick sucking allegations I was like now I'm locked it

it would have landed a lot better if Whitney would have had the the stripper show up to the campsite as if like the police tracked them down yeah you know well and it would have been scarier because of the ghost true and there would have been more room for them to shake their ass right which is scary it's just this thing for you yeah so true

no

britney the way that she is able to like i love brittany and she did it all last she gave it to us all last season but what about me you know and it's so good every time

so i am a i you know i i i dip i still i don't know if you guys know this but i dip in and out of reality because i get so consumed so sometimes i take seasons off so i i came back in bright eyed and bushy tailed and i was like okay they this is why everybody loves salt lake so much they do bring it, though.

Yeah.

You know, it's not, it's, you don't have to wait and squeeze a storyline out.

But Britney, I was like fascinated with.

She was like, oh, she's in her own little, it's Britney's world, huh?

The fact she can't say like a bad word.

I'm like, girl, just say it.

She's like, you said that I S D.

I F'd his D.

No, but then when she walked over to give Whitney the hug and Whitney wasn't having it, and she's like, well, then I still want to apologize for the dick sucking comments.

And you know, this is the thing.

She's not really wrong.

Like, she's, she's not wrong.

Like, they were kind of having a back and forth on the RV.

And she was kind of owed an apology.

She just, her timing is really bad.

No, Nina, no, because this is what Brittany did all last season.

She forgets that she starts things.

Like, she forgets that she throws the first punch.

And then when someone retaliates, she's like,

why would you do that?

Why would you say that?

That's not nice.

And it was like her ITM being like, Whitney can say whatever she wants but the second that i and i was like you started it by coming for her business did she though well because i guess she was defending her friend i don't think whitney i don't think brittany has a mean bone in her body i i think i really don't i don't think she's ever malicious i think she will attempt to defend herself or her friends and say what you want about britney and i'm not like the biggest lisa stan out there But I definitely respect someone who is willing to stand up for their friend in a group of people talking shit when that friend is not there.

Cause a lot of people claim to be your friend.

And when people talk shit about you, you know, your quote unquote friends are like, maybe at best, kind of like not saying anything or even giggling along with the shit that's being talked about you.

Yeah.

And I, I don't know.

I didn't think she started the fight.

I felt like if you're, if I'm, if this is a friend of mine, which, you know, how good friends they are, who knows?

But like, if my friend is sitting there and

someone's talking about my business and i'm i'm her in that place right i'm defending her so if you're talking about my business and i say well what about yours i don't feel like i started i feel like you did by talking about my friend who's not here so like if you can talk about her business why is it not relevant that i can bring up yours so then now we're going back and forth but like you're the one who was throwing shade first it doesn't matter if it was directed at me or not you started throwing the first shade so she she did i feel like she started it yeah i mean listen if you run your mouth and talk your shit about people like you're gonna, like, I'm not saying it's okay.

And maybe the other person isn't being the bigger person, but like, it's hard for you to act like the victim.

Right, right.

I also do love seeing, and we saw it at the table when they're eating their sandwiches and salads.

The like way that they're able to fight and hate each other, it looks like, and then they just like make up, like, the way that Angie was like, okay, well, we have this game.

And Heather's like, give it to me.

And, you know, it's like, y'all were just screaming at each other.

But like, I love that we are not, like you said, Nina, pulling and stretching these storylines to last episodes and episodes like oh see i wouldn't be able to do it like there's no way you coming from my business and then we're gonna go make a snowman yeah but you know they're gonna go fly fishing

i don't i and i know it's like they're seasoned so they know how to do it i am not able to i'm not mature enough yeah for that so it it is work how does angie don't you dare careful i'm just that's my girl shame on angie for for for bringing her friends out into the middle of nowhere and forgetting all the food that was a bit that had to be a bit That was so this episode.

You know, because they were like in a junkyard or not or something.

I was like, what?

How many Utah is this?

Yeah, I suppose.

I'm sure Craft Services was there in the background.

Yeah.

Like all they had were hot dogs.

Like, they definitely didn't spend the whole night there.

They definitely didn't.

No.

And I guarantee you, like, in the next episode, after this, like, whole thing with like, where's Meredith?

They're going to, Meredith's going to be like, she literally just walked back to base camp.

Yeah.

She was done.

They were definitely hyping it up.

I think they were all part of the bit.

Yes.

I don't think it was a bit for Lisa to

not show up for the first episode.

No, I don't know.

And you can't tell when production's mad at their character.

Yeah, when they shade them a little bit, when they had that, you know, they shot to Mary Lisa's couch or whatever.

I mean, like, on a business trip.

Where is she?

Question mark, question mark, question mark.

Be an athlete.

Or no, wait, who does she say?

Blake with Dudley.

Like, what are they doing together?

Yeah.

Well, because, okay, so allegedly she was working like premiere, she was doing like premieres and stuff, and it was the accountant two and another simple favor.

So she was just doing a red carpet?

I don't know what she was doing.

She said it like they went to bread.

I know.

You was at premieres.

That's not work.

You held a microphone?

Give me a break.

You held one of those tiny microphones, and that's why you gotta do on your show.

I was at like at least like a gala.

I was like, oh, she must be at like a charity event with them.

Well, then, if that's the case, I just hung out with Denzel and Spikely.

Yeah.

If that's the case, we can claim carpets.

Exactly.

I'm best friends.

That would be like saying everyone who came on this show is like one of my very close personal friends.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

They're a friend of mine.

No, it's literally Brittany saying that her and Meredith are best friends.

And Meredith is like, how many times have we talked on the phone?

Once?

And she's like, no.

That was so oh my

God.

I would be mortified.

If I was Meredith, I would have given her a little bit of a bone and been like, you know what?

If you need that.

No, but the best thing about Meredith is that she was like, no, I don't like you.

I have zero respect for you.

We're talking on the phone twice, babes.

I've talked, you know, I've talked to AT ⁇ T more.

Right.

You know, like, we talking on the phone to people yeah this it was a little harsh though it was harsh but like also if you're blatantly lying on how close we are before like make it to present it like we're you know i'm hurting your feelings i'm like girl wait a minute we're not that close

for meredith to say i find you to be absolutely uninteresting i have zero respect for you i was like

calling someone uninteresting i would rather you call me an evil bitch than you call uninteresting to me is like the worst insult you could ever.

That's you might as well talk about my mama.

Yeah, like I'm uninteresting.

I respectly disagree with Meredith.

I am locked in to any time Brittany is singing in public and videotaping it and putting it on her social.

Like, I don't know if you can call that uninteresting.

Brittany was going to wear a bikini and a fur coat on an airplane.

She didn't know if it was commercial or private.

Yeah, that's very interesting.

That's very interesting.

And again, not no shade to

Meredith, who very excited to see her DJ set coming up.

Yeah,

watch your mouth.

Watch your mouth.

I'm just saying.

It is true.

She did, that was the only words she spoke that entire episode.

That is true.

But the thing is, the way she did it too, it was like she had been silent the entire day.

And then she just starts, she puts lighter fluid in the fire.

She spoke at the lunch or whatever it was.

Oh, and she was like, I don't know what Lisa did.

Yeah.

But

she defended her girl very quickly and very quietly and and then was like...

That was pretty uninteresting, to be honest.

That was pretty uninteresting.

And then let Heather do the rest.

Yeah, she was like, I'm not getting into all this.

And then she put, she literally fueled the fire and then went for the jugular with Britain.

How much did all of the smoke at that fire bother all of y'all?

Because I couldn't pay attention to anything else.

They're all like...

Did it distract you?

Yeah, they were all like moving out of the way,

coughing.

Can we talk about Mary though?

I love her so much.

The fish situation.

She couldn't believe that.

That had to be.

I actually think that sounds on brand.

It does.

She's a woman of God.

And God doesn't know fish biology.

Well, God has done many miracles.

No, sorry, that's Jesus.

But she also is a woman of Jesus.

Does she keep calling that man Gusty?

God, Gusty.

Gusty.

In her defense, I honestly, it sounded like he was saying Gusty.

Was that an edit, though?

It looked like they played it twice.

Yeah, it was like

by the ban, but she definitely thought his name was Gusty.

Well, yeah, because she goes,

Gusty, like, she confirmed that his name was, in fact, in her mind, Gusty, Gusty, like, girl, who you know's name is Gusty?

Like, would you please?

I mean, if someone takes you fly fishing and they're dressed like that,

and his name was Gusty, he was so amazed by her question.

I just, I mean, I honestly think that's another side quest they need to pursue: is her doing these activities.

I would watch in a heartbeat.

It's like a Stanley Tucci travel show, but it's just Mary and

Anthony Moore Day type show with mary please i'm locked in bravo hey everywhere bravo question justin was was lisa live tweeting last night i mean she's always live tweeting well i i know but i'm curious on an episode that one she was a no-show and two they were talking about you know certainly no jen shaw that comparison was wild uh considering what jen shaw did and like i think even angie said it as like a joke trying to be funny and i think you know and then even she was like, well, guys, no, that was too far.

That was a joke.

I mean, it's not great if Lisa's racking up a bunch of like debt and borrowing money from people that she's not paying back.

Like, not cool if that's what's going on.

But I am curious if Lisa was

if she had anything to say.

Because usually she will fight back on Twitter when people, when her peers in episodes are talking shit about her.

And it was hard.

I mean, it was her episode, even though she wasn't there.

Yeah.

That was her.

She was in that thing.

She did post on her instagram story last night i make the best tequila so you don't have to be thirsty okay she's that's what i'm thirsty yeah is that because angie was drinking tequila i think

i will say angie saying she's just like gen like jen shaw is a very like me thing to say in an argument where you're just like saying shit and then you're like oh no like i would love someone who shocks like from cbs like you're being a jen shaw you know like it's just interchangeable yeah i mean angie k was friends with jen shaw that was her entrance to the show so i think to her it's like a Yeah, she's like, oh, like Jen Shaw.

Yeah.

And then everyone's like, no, not like it very literally.

And she was like, yes.

Sorry.

Yeah.

But I agree.

Like, you know, you're getting all these lawsuits.

It's not coming from anywhere.

It may not be.

Is it illegal?

I don't know.

You're kind of touching the toe of the

little illegal.

It's not yet.

Yeah.

Sometimes to be a business owner is to do things that are illegal.

Yeah.

And who knows?

It could be frivolous.

It's not illegal to have a financial dispute and not pay someone back.

And the person you don't pay back certainly has the right to like sue you and try to, you know, as long as there's no fraud involved.

Yeah.

It could just be a dispute like where she says, no, I don't owe you.

So, you know, it's just, that's why it's this.

But yeah, if you're, if you're knowingly defrauding people to give you money, then I think that's a different situation.

Did you guys pick up on

Heather?

That look she gave after she said like Jen deserved to be in prison as if like one of the producers dared her to say it or like said, you know, it was like, I don't think you're gonna say it and she kind of was like

if my home i would never say this to somebody's face yeah it was very it's like jen is in prison where she belongs

for how long was it

she might be getting out too they're teasing that i think jen chaw is going to come on in the future oh for sure and i selfishly want that to happen

but i know that that's like a whole chaos of itself yeah i mean i i think they'd be there on her release day

wait did y'all see heather's chest?

What?

I could not stop.

It was literally,

it looked

airbrushed.

It was like the smoothest.

I've never seen a chest.

Zero sun damage, not one freckle, like not one wrinkle.

It didn't even look like skin.

It looked insane.

She does own Beauty Lab and Laser.

Yeah.

Do you think, do they have an offer for like skin renewal?

Probably.

I would hope so.

And that's a big thing in skincare right now is like the declottage and like everybody.

These are the other places.

People are moving to the neck and the chest.

Yeah.

I figured out the face.

Because it'll tell on you.

Yeah.

Looked so good.

Exactly.

I was too focused on Angie Kay's incredible confessional look.

The giant bow.

Yeah.

That's all that had my focus in the confessional.

Have you guys ever lived the RV life?

I did.

I didn't live it.

I've been, you know, I've, I've gone on vacations as a kid.

It was fun.

It's fun.

You meet a lot of people and see a lot of places i had a friend whose family was really into rv so i would go on vacations with them and um we would go to this place in northern california called tamales bay and we would go clamming

clamming yeah but then at the end of the night we the the kids had to sleep in tents outside they put us out and the parents stayed in rv with the heat oh that's evil yeah that's evil that's terrible okay but it was fun wait nina you were just in new york right i was yes did you see iris and tj from love island together

I did not see them, but the girl who did my hair for an event did Olandria's hair the day before.

Cool.

She did Olandria's hair for the, remember that Kanes?

I saw that.

Had a

fashion show.

With a lot of big people in it.

Yeah.

And so she did her hair for that.

So

she was just, but the tea she gave me was that she was like, I don't think she loved it.

So

I don't know if she was talking about the hair or the show, but she was just like, you I don't know if I'm going to post.

And I was like, no, post your pictures, girl.

But she was very excited.

But I did not see them in any Love Islanders in person.

How was Fashion Week this year?

How was it?

I mean, I've been going back and forth to New York for many years.

This was probably like the most magical trip to New York I've ever taken.

Oh, wow.

And it was just so special and the energy was great.

I did my first New York Fashion Week show for my collection,

which was all plus women.

So it was really dope.

We did it in Harlem.

And And yeah, it was just, man, it was incredible.

I'm very like overwhelmed still.

I haven't, I very, I haven't even posted much.

Yeah.

Cause it's just been like, you know, some things are just so amazing.

Like you just need to hold it for a second before the world gets to feel it.

And I've just been like, really just living in it for a second.

But yeah, it was really great.

And were you stressed at all?

Oh my God.

Girl.

Really?

I barely made it here.

Like I was, it was, it was incredibly stressful.

You know, it was, I was like, man, if there were cameras following me right now, like the shoe, there was like the shoe delay.

We had a shoe shipment that didn't come till the morning of, that was three days late, that UPS lost and sent to Philadelphia.

And I was like, I'm going to lose my mind.

Yeah.

And then finally, I just had to surrender and just be like, whatever's going to happen, these girls got to walk barefoot.

That's just what's going to happen.

And that'll just be chic.

But it's all, you know, it's so funny because everything comes together last minute and then nobody, you know, cares about how stressed they were the minute before.

Yeah.

But it was really so exciting.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

It was like for, you know, it's like cliche, but it was very life-changing for me, like which i it's in this point in my career a lot of stuff starts to feel the same which is great this feels good but when there's like a new challenge yeah or something that scares you like this actually scared me and i was like damn it's been a long time since like because i've been hosting for a long time i've been doing i'm not really like scared of stuff anymore so i like that this like challenged me in a different way love that Do you feel like you're going to do it every year?

I was thinking about that because I was like, man, I think I could like do this on my own with the right like sponsors.

So I'm thinking about doing one solely like that would feature only size inclusive brands because there's there was maybe only one other, maybe two other size inclusive shows through all of Fashion Week.

And most of them are not invited to other shows.

So while, you know, you may be having a show, like nobody else really acknowledges you.

Like you won't get invited to anything else.

So I was like, this could be a great opportunity to like invite people and have like a community type of thing and honor like the plus girls who sleigh in fashion yeah and elevate it yeah yeah yeah so that's that's that's what i'm thinking about doing for next year that's awesome

invite invite people you know once you get on you got to put other people on yeah yeah yeah i don't want to be here by myself

exactly i love that who's the most fashionable housewife in salt lake city i'm mary yeah i mean ronwin is is ron kind of kills it i'm not gonna lie ron was little red glasses in the pit last night i was like okay

but mary is like church fashion like you know i mean fishing in a a Chanel scarf.

You know, who else is trying to resuscitate the salmon in the water?

Like, that's pretty impressive.

You know why Brawen reminds me of why I love her so much?

Because she's such a good apologizer in a universe where no one ever apologizes.

And she makes it seem like, you know, listen, whatever.

Like, I kind of fibbed about a necklace.

Who gives a shit?

I shouldn't have done it.

And she has this, she has like the perfect balance because, like, honestly, like, who really gives a shit whether she lied about the necklace?

You know what I'm saying?

But she, she acknowledges how serious other the people who like take it seriously, she will validate them.

And, like, that's what's so smart about Brawen is that, like, it cost her nothing to apologize because it's about something that really doesn't matter.

You know what I'm saying?

It's not a Gensha situation.

She didn't, like, hurt.

There are no victims in this crime that she's apologizing for.

And so many housewives will like die on the vine of like denial of a

stupid shit, right?

And it will just go on forever.

And then they'll get their haters will come up.

And Bravo's like, yeah, you know, I did that.

That's kind of what, why I was like, you know, I know she's not, a lot of people don't like her, but I was kind of like, I respect somebody who can just own, because what can you say?

It's kind of like when, you know, in Eight Mile, when Eminem was like, I'm going to just talk about myself so you can't say anything.

It's like when somebody owns a lie or like just owns it, like, what can you really say?

And then you can't really bring it up later because she didn't already apologize.

Yeah.

She kind of disarms you a little bit.

And that's kind of what Whitney did too, with like her being like, Yeah, my business failed and it sucks.

And now a bunch of people are out of a job because I failed.

And now, like, that's a season of storylines they don't have to deal with.

And then you flip to people being like, Oh my gosh, we're, you know, instead of people criticizing her, now you have to show empathy, even if you were critical before, because now she's telling you the depth of it all.

It's very, you know, I'm like, most more of y'all should start apologizing.

Yeah, It's like the exact opposite of Lisa.

Exactly.

It's going to be really interesting to see like, because it seems like they've started to figure out that that's the way to go.

Yeah.

Instead of like, you know, trying to like keep this facade up, they're like, no, let's completely break it down and be honest and see what you do about it.

But I know these women are crazy enough that they will do something.

They don't have the ego to be like, you know, I think because she's also newer to the cast, she, you know, she's afforded a little bit more of like wiggle room for that.

So I think like it was, it was the best move she i agree she is the best thing she could have done yeah market episode i gotta i gotta start applying that to my my personal life yeah

you're not gonna apologize

you know okay maybe i will drag this you know maybe i won't drag this out maybe accountability is the way to go

maybe maybe

i learned a lesson last night i didn't think i was gonna learn i love it thanks probably

I have a question for you, Nina, before we let you go.

Nick Cannon recently claimed that

becoming a father of 12 kids was a trauma response from his divorce from Mariah Carey.

I feel like you would have something interesting to say about Nick Cannon's accusation.

Apparently his kids are a trauma response.

First and foremost, I'm not sure how his kids feel about that.

I am not a fan.

I just think like every time he talks, I feel like narcissistic clouds float over me.

And

I get in a daze.

I just, you know, every time he speaks, I feel like someone gets hurt.

It's like dangerous what he says.

how has he been able to work so much like i don't i don't understand his success i think people still see him as like little nick cannon like you know like this child actor because he really did have these like it's especially in the black community like he was a child actor that a lot of us loved you know and watched grow up and rooted for so this behavior like this flip is just like so strange to me but like you know these kids are going to see these videos also like these child's mothers probably i've met a couple of them they're actually lovely women Like, you know, everybody got caught up, but like, he, I just felt like he was, he admitted he was doing this intentional.

So all these broken homes and like, now you got these 12 graduations to go to, Chel.

And, you know, good luck.

But it's just, I just think his words can be really, really messy and dangerous.

And like the fallout is going to be continuous.

He just, it's just, he doesn't think.

It's like, of course you're going to blame Mariah Carey, you know, like,

just can't take a look at it.

Like Mariah's probably like, how did I get in it?

You know, like, I remember like when they got together and I remember like I was working and like we were reporting on it.

And I was like, this is such a strange,

I think she was, you know, I don't know their relationship, but I feel like she was going through a phase.

And like, you know, I just, you never hear her talk about it.

And that's to me what lets me know she was, is something was off with that because she doesn't even acknowledge it.

Yeah.

And Mariah knows exactly what to and not to acknowledge and who.

And I think he's been milking it ever since.

What he calls a trauma response, I would call his career playbook.

And he often has like said, you know,

and it's true, he had his own success before Mariah.

He was a millionaire when he met her.

It's not like he was, I think sometimes people think because she was worth more, he was like a broke boy, but he wasn't.

He was, you know, a healthy actor with businesses.

Yeah.

He had his own career and money before he met her.

But for some reason, it's like he needs this validation with this comparison.

And that's why it's so important to be with somebody who is not jealous of you when you're in a relationship because he's still like in this weird competition with her that he's only in, nobody else is participating in.

Was Wild and Out before, after, during?

I think it was, I want to say it was during

during, but he was like a movie star, yeah, you know, before Mariah, you know,

movie, he was oh, yeah, yeah, so he had the, you know, the, the, all the, all the movies, yes, because remember, he did love, don't cost a thing with Christina Million, and, you know, he was like a child.

It is just crazy.

He's always like around.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're just going to call your children just like a response to something and not anything other than a blessing.

You know, I don't know.

I couldn't even imagine like being

like

carrying someone's child and they say something.

like that after I'm not quite sure.

Like, you know, you're just saying, you're just saying anything and you get on a mic.

And that is why, you know, I believe there needs to be some IQ tests before we give out any more more mic that's you got to pass this test before you get a mic babes because this is just don't give one

i feel i feel like brittany you should be grandfathered into that rule though

brittany gets one before just in case not sure not sure how she would test out but i just either an iq or like charisma test yes yeah yeah but the charisma has to it has to be like it can't be evil charisma because like britney's charisma isn't evil charisma it's not it's so it's okay

yeah britney just wants to be loved That's it.

Yeah.

She definitely is seeking like friendship from this group.

And I'm just like,

you, you got to be okay with just,

if I were her, I would turn into the biggest villain on that show.

Yeah.

Cause them women, they, this is the thing.

It's not that they, it's, it's one thing to not like me.

They don't respect her.

Yeah.

And I would rather you dislike me and respect me in a group setting.

It's like, girl, worry, you got family and friends.

Like, don't try to make these girls your friend.

I will be coming at them from all cylinders.

I'm like,

you can not like me, but you're going to be embarrassed every time you come try to come for me.

Yeah.

If this is the route we're taking.

You know what I just thought of?

That would be amazing.

If you, Nina Parker, became friends with Brittany and she brought you in as a friend up to the show and you would like have, you would be like, if you're going to talk shit about Brittany, you're talking shit about me.

And you would just like go ham on these ladies.

I feel like that would be.

You know, I'm really good friends with Chris Sele, who's on Selling Sunset.

And she's always like, man, you need to be, you know, she's invited me to come on the show.

And I'm like, I'm not coming on because I'm not built for this.

I will cuss people out.

Like, yeah.

And she's like, that's why you need to come on.

And I'm like, you know,

my temperament is not built for reality TV.

I will be, it will be grand opening, grand closing for me, babe.

Tired and then tired.

I don't know.

I support it.

I support it.

Nina, it's always fun to have you on.

Can you plug anything you want to share with my audience or plug before we uh send you on your website yes my show friday night vibes is on every friday on tbs with me and my co-host kev on stage um the nina parker collection is at macy's and yeah you can find and find me on all socials at the nina parker Love it.

Come back soon, you know.

We uh we absolutely love anytime.

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What's up, Benny Boy?

Hey, everybody.

Can you hear us?

Yeah, sorry.

I was on a different Zoom with my buddies from home.

Well, how you been, buddy?

How's fatherhood?

I wish she was here.

Leah got to meet her.

I did.

She's so cute.

It's so great.

Everything is amazing.

Like, every day is awesome.

How old is she now?

Seven months.

Wow, that's crazy.

What is your favorite dad job that you have when it comes to like shared responsibilities with Jess?

Goodness gracious.

I feel like I do very little,

quite honestly.

I'm around a lot.

I'm like a good bench player.

I'd say my favorite thing is I get to feed Winnie when Jess gets ready for bed at night, and then Winnie falls asleep afterwards.

And so her and I just kick it and watch football or whatever's on.

And it's like an hour of just her and I, and she's so happy to be with me.

And I love that.

Are you a diaper changer?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I am when I when I'm needed, I just, Jess is only back to work two days a week.

So

I'm home all the time working from here.

And so, like, when Jess needs me, I will.

But it's very rare that I, I get, I like, I, I find the need, you know, that I'm like the one on spot to do it.

And Jess loves being like, she loves it.

She's like, you, Natalie, she's like, like, they just, like, as soon as she was born into this world, Jess's like whole world was like, I love this baby.

I want to do everything for as long as I can.

What is she doing right now?

Like, has she, like, what like milestone has she hit?

Um, she's not crawling, but she's scooting.

Cute.

Kind of.

Like I'd say she's a very average scooter.

She's feeding herself like purees.

Oh, wow.

Half gets in her mouth, half gets on the floor.

Love.

She's saying mama, which is a big win.

Mama was first?

That's huge.

Yeah, we thought dada was going to be first.

Now, does she know that she is saying mama?

Or is she just going mama, mama, mama?

She reaches for it.

Okay.

That's really cute.

Yeah.

I mean, I think so, right?

I mean, I think, like, as a parent you just well river was saying mama and dada like mama mama you know but she before she like knew what she was saying which is why we say her first word is dog because over thanksgiving she like looked at the dogs and said dog I was just joking with Jess about that.

So fun.

Yeah.

I was like, how funny is it going to be if she looks and like Wayland is her first word and like crushing to like Wayland.

I think so because she reaches for Jess.

Yeah, she probably does then.

Yeah.

But I mean, they're just so connected.

Jess is still breastfeeding, but we're starting to wean off of that now.

Oh, Jess.

Because when he has teeth and it's been a wild ride, like there's just random screams from Jess at like moments being like, no,

like

just rivers like getting like so close to saying sentences, full sentences, and it's the most wild thing.

She had a little stuffed toy she had picked out the other day.

And she, I said, whoa, oh, what's this?

And she said, I bought this.

I bought this.

And I was like, oh my God, that is.

I cannot wait until like all these kids start saying the weirdest things.

Like my favorite show growing up was kids say the darndest things.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And I cannot wait till they're like regurgitating whatever weird stuff I say in the voice of the day.

Do you guys swear?

Yeah.

Jess doesn't.

I mean, Jess is like a perfect angel of a human that doesn't drink, swear, works out.

But do you, do you, you swear on the

fuck shit balls?

I mean, not like, I don't think I like, I think in moments, yeah.

I don't like

when you're watching the game, are you like, cock sucker?

Oh my god, yeah, definitely.

I don't know.

What's your go-to?

Probably just fuck.

Like,

all right, I'm at a Coscrow.

Yeah, he's not, he's not serial mom.

Yeah, I mean,

I say I've taught myself because of

being like around people to say son of a biscuit a lot because my grandpa used to say it.

That works.

That still has the same like, it still gets whatever I need out.

Nick, you know, Nick's has just got the sailor mouth of a sailor and we are just,

you know, so worried that rivers just, how do you, you know, because it's like, I guess that has to start with us, you know, like we have to stop pussing.

So I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Yeah, we will cross it.

Yeah.

It's, I mean, it's going to happen.

happen i just saw um becca kufran and thomas they posted their son saying

i think he either said or but one of them and they were like what

what did she say like they were like oh no i think that's really when you look in the mirror it'll definitely be my fault that's for sure yeah yeah it's gonna be my fault um anything

bad in Wynona's life is going to be my fault, not for any other reason other than like, just

doesn't, she's just, like, she really is just like very pure of everything.

It's wild.

It's confusing.

I mean, I thought y'all both were until

you said fuck.

Until you said fuck.

Yeah.

Ruined it.

Any thoughts and feelings on our new bacherette, Taylor Frankie Paul, Ben?

You know, I have so many.

I actually listened.

to a lot of what you guys because you're so connected and you're so in in that world.

I'm not.

Like I've never seen Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

Jess educated me on it.

It's got to have been two, three years ago.

Whenever the show got announced, she showed me like the TikToks of them.

And I, I remember feeling back in the day, like, this is going to be entertaining, but that's all it is.

And, and I think I have that just like

in my spirit where I

kind of diminish what the public.

thinks is cool or not and obviously took off it's a i mean people love the show i think it i just don't know know where the bachelorette goes from here i think her season will be good um people will watch it it saves the franchise for another season i just i don't know how they continue to keep the show going after she's the lead and well but i think the hope is is that you know like people remember our era not to sound like the old guys as

they did a good job of casting the right leads you know and there was a string of very popular seasons and they leaned into their star power.

And they, you know, and I think that was very important.

They got away from that, right?

I don't know who was making the decisions or why they made the decisions on casting certain leads and no disrespect to some of those leads, but they clearly lacked some of the star power in the poll that people like you and Caitlin and myself and JoJo, like, you know, whether they were incredibly liked and popular like you or more controversial like me, there was certainly like sometimes they've been casting leads leads lately where people are like, wait, who,

who were, like, when did they, they were on the season, you know, like when you, when they casted Clayton, like, no disrespect, but like, he was not a main character on that season, you know?

And so like, and like, Nick, I think Nick's made a good point when we were talking about it of like, when you, when you have a star lead, then you have

more of like,

star cast, you know, like then everyone kind of shines.

So then when they cast the next bachelor, they're pulling from like

who was a very watched and loved season that there's going to be, you know, because I feel like it's when they pull these like, yeah.

Like when they had Hannah Brown, you got Tyler Cameron, you know, you got, um, you got Pete, Pilot Pete, you know,

when you had Pilot Pete be the bachelor, very popular bachelor.

You had Victoria Fuller, you know, you had

Hannah Ann, you know, yeah, you had Maddie Pruitt, like, you know, and they were all stars, you know?

So I think the hope is it will jumpstart, you know, the franchise.

But like, yeah, I mean, they've, they've, you know, they had it, they had a chance with Joey

and fucked that up.

Yeah.

So

I think they need to do a better job of, I don't know how they did it before, but they need to cast with their next lead in mind, being open to the possibility of.

They have to have like three or four potential leads because, you know, like, you know, like

a lot of the people they cast have no, never have a chance to ever being a lead.

Yeah, I mean, I think you're right.

I, I just don't trust the show enough anymore to think that they're going to make the right choice, even if it was handed to them in front of them.

I mean, I think that's a fair, that's a fair critique.

Like, if you look at the last, I mean, six, six years, they've had some really good opportunities for leads, and they've chosen people who lack the ability to have a conversation, like, with another human.

Not even that they're controversial or they're liked.

They just can't even like talk to a girl in a way that's like normal and human.

And it like brings out their story and their, it brings out their personalities.

It's like these leads have been walking robots saying the right thing at the right moment and never having any emotion in it than

what the producer is telling them.

And so that's great.

I just, I think I'm hesitant to believe.

that the show actually knows what the the audience wants.

I thought there was some master plan for the last five years that I wasn't seeing

That the show is choosing these people to lead up to this amazing bachelor that would kick off the show again or this amazing bachelorette that would kick off the show again and like you said they had it with joey joey was that guy yeah like he was loved he was liked he was he's good looking he could talk to girls he's like has friends outside of the show so he's like a normal human um

and they found that they just like ruined it again yeah no i mean you're you're absolutely right i mean they've it is a

they've been very reactive to people in charge of this show.

And I don't think they've really had much of a plan.

But Taylor will be great.

That, that much.

Maybe it would be the last big hurrah.

Like, they, I mean.

You know her.

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, you guys know her.

So, like, who do you see her being, like, is there anybody similar that's been a lead in the past that you guys think she could be similar to?

I guess maybe Hannah Brown, only in the sense that, like, Hannah was this perfect combination of, you know, she knew how to be demure and attractive and likable, and then she knew how to be fiery and spunky, and it never felt inauthentic.

And

I would argue every bachelorette since Hannah Brown has tried to inauthentically be Hannah Brown.

And I think they've failed at doing so.

I think Taylor will have her own way of doing that, but I think Taylor is very spunky and fiery.

And she's, I mean, some of her scenes and secret lives of standing up and confronting some of her peers are iconic, but she's also incredibly humble.

Like she has this natural star power and she really knows how to be humble and it doesn't fall, it doesn't come across as like false humility.

Like she doesn't care about the shiny things.

Like she just wants to like be at home with her kids, like eating Taco Bell and wearing crocs, which I think is just like so far from what Bachelor has ever casted that it's like.

And she's not afraid of being messy.

You know, she's not trying to be perfect.

I mean, that's why, I mean, she's going to be exceptional because I think we already know that she is not, I'd be shocked.

And there's always the possibility.

I know Taylor's been a

fan of the Bachelor franchise for a long time.

And even though I think she's bigger than the show, like the Bachelor franchise has a legacy that might, you know, could be intimidating.

I don't suspect it's going to influence how Taylor moves.

So to that end, we already know that she's not going to like become the bacherette and become so brand conscious and like, and change who she is because now she's under this pressure of being the bacherette.

I would be very surprised if

she succumbed to that pressure because she is already a really big star.

She's already faced criticism and scrutiny.

And yeah,

I think all of that really is behind her for the most part.

Yeah.

And I feel like we're going to see a very authentic Taylor Frankie Paul.

It will be exciting to watch somebody who will not be nervous to be the lead of this show, you know, like to step into this.

But I do think it could be a little bit different in the sense that she isn't, she hasn't been a cast member.

So she can be a fan of the show, but there is a world where, you know, you are going to be dating 30 people at once.

I'm sure they're going to have controversy.

And like, how does she navigate that and handle it?

Because one of the most helpful things to me was to to remember myself in that position.

I think

that's not going to help her.

And here's the other side that I think is really important that won't help her is the fact that this is a whole new production team.

They don't know how the show goes.

Like, they don't necessarily know how this operates when things get chaotic.

This whole team is new.

They've never worked a season before other than the golden, which is a completely different beat.

Well, not even, no, not, they've only worked Paradise.

That's not, it's not the same team that's doing Golden or did Golden.

So they haven't even done that.

So to your point, they haven't done a traditional Bachelor-Bachelorette format.

The Showrunner now is the one who recently did Paradise.

And I thought it was like mildly entertaining.

It was kind of...

Do you and Jess keep up with

fun at all?

Did y'all watch?

Yeah, I watch.

Jess doesn't really watch.

She watches The Secret Lives, but she doesn't watch like the Bachelor franchise too often.

She likes the Golden to like check in on.

But we watch Paradise.

I thought it was fine.

I mean,

there was elements that I really enjoyed, but there was also, I think it took them four episodes to even get in a groove and figure it out.

The first four episodes felt like almost throwaways to me.

Yeah.

And all of a sudden the season changed completely.

And to your point, they could,

you know, it wouldn't be the first time

that

the people making that show,

you know, Taylor's not in control of her edit, right?

They sometimes overthink things.

They sometimes water down their leads, you know, for the sake of, you know, whatever it is they're worried about.

You know, Bachelor in Paradise used to be really funny and kind of, it didn't take itself so seriously.

I, I hope they, I just hope they let Taylor Frankie Paul be Taylor Frankie Paul.

And if we see a different version of her, I'm going to blame the producers and the editors and not Taylor.

Yeah.

Because you do have to worry about the Warner Brothers,

you know, crossover.

Yeah.

Anyway, Ben,

you have your book.

You're re-releasing it.

You're adding to it.

Explain to my audience what's new about your book, Alone in Plain Sight.

I know you've had it out for a while, but now that you are a new dad, you've added to this and

you're re-releasing it.

Is that accurate?

Yeah.

You know, you came out with your book and it was a success.

I came out with my book and it was a failure.

And I don't like to sit in failures for too long.

I think part of it was a failure because I think a lot of people from the bachelor franchise come out with books and I don't think it's always the best idea.

And I didn't write this book to be another bachelor book,

just like you didn't write your book to be another bachelor book.

And unfortunately, if I were to make an excuse for Alone in Plain Sight, I wrote it for two years and it came out on the February in the middle of COVID.

So a book about connecting humans together and sharing human stories, sharing my story along with like six others who have been really influential in my life came out in a time where nobody was connected.

Nobody could meet up and talk about it.

Nobody could go to the bookstores and buy it.

I was doing book readings through Zoom.

And it's been one of the projects that I put the most effort in.

And because of when it was launched, how it was launched and the lack of response to it.

I've just sat for, you know, three years really and been really sad about it.

And it sits on my desk and I'm still proud of it.

And so,

a publisher came to me, or the publisher that published it the first time and said, Hey, this I think was just a really bad timing scenario.

I don't think it got the breath it deserved.

Would you be interested in re-releasing it with some big updates in your life, like a marriage and a child, and the continuation of a career and a coffee business that still exists?

And talk about these things that have happened since then, and then let's try to re-release it.

And that's really where this came from.

I believe in this book, mostly because it's a letter to myself and a letter to others, and I want to give it a second chance.

And so that's why we're re-releasing it, and I'm really excited to do it.

That's awesome.

And when it comes out October 7th, yeah, yep, it will come out October 7th.

I'm hosting an event called Mom Con, which is where moms get together in Orlando, Florida.

And that's where we're going to do like a pre-release from.

We're going to sell first copies at that because honestly, i can't think of a better uh demo for me to re-release

yeah well listen ben i i i think uh you know uh speaking of timing and things like that i think uh the world now more than ever needs to be reminded of the importance of human connection and i think the feeling of of feeling alone is is is pretty prevalent in our society today.

And so

anyone who reads Ben's book will certainly, I think, be able to relate to a lot of your experiences.

And obviously, you've always been a good role model and a good example of how to move through life.

And just a reminder of this, the happiness having your community and your people can bring to you, whether it's a husband or a wife and having children or your found family, as people like to say.

I just think nowadays people need to be reminded to get off their phones, get into their communities, connect with people, connect with friends.

So I think this is a great time for your book to get back out in the wild and excited for you to re-release it.

Hey, thank you guys.

Thanks for

letting me come on, talk about our past lives and then also what's going on today.

It's always good to see you too.

We miss you guys.

River and Winnie haven't even met yet.

Like, what is going on?

Can people pre-order this re-release, Ben?

Yeah, they can pre-order at benhigginsbook.com.

You can get on there,

pre-order it.

There's also going to be, most of those are going to be signed unless we just have a massive success and I haven't signed enough yet, which would be awesome.

And if I haven't, then I would love to sign any that come through.

But yeah, benhigginsbook.com.

Okay.

Yeah, and then our daughters can meet.

You look very dangerous with the facial hair and the goatee, Ben.

I like it.

Is this new?

So let's take a lazy look,

helping me look a little older.

If I shave, I look like a little baby, trying to bring in the like more gritty look this winter.

Yeah, I like it.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you, Nick.

I appreciate that.

I want to look dangerous.

Yeah, same.

So did Nick.

And he's why I have butterfly tattoos.

Ben, it's always good to talk to you, buddy.

Excited to catch up with you in person.

Go check out Ben's book, BenHigginsBook.com, where you can pre-order it.

Thank you to all our guests, including our friend Ben Higgins and Nina Parker.

We will see you back next week.

Don't forget to check out yesterday's Going Deeper episode with Jesse James Decker and her husband, Eric Decker.

It's a fantastic episode.

You are definitely going to want to listen to.

Other than that, we'll see you next week.

Bye-bye.

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